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Hellllo, ladies and gentlemen, and
what a wonderful day. We are here

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for The Geek first six hundred and
thirteenth episode, The Plan of the Apes,

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sorry, the Kingdom of the Plan
of the Apes review we have done.

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Oh, I can't remember how many
retros there was. What there was?

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I think five original, the remake, so we're eight or nine.

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But we're at the end here,
man, we're at the end. I'm

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just feeling just as sure as a
rock is covered in chills already, funds

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like the beginning. It doesn't feel
like the end. It feels like the

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beginning. Yeah, the reason even
started. I'm covered in chills already,

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But I am the clown Prince of
Evolution Tress now, and I'm joined by

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what a wonderful day. She's like, shut the fuck up the echo,

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taylor Field. Yes, Lazia,
And as we said, if this is

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your first time tuning in The Geek
first, maybe you're just waiting for this

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Apes review and whatnot, you can
go back we did in honor of this

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to lead up. We talked about
the retro many times, but we did

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a retrospective, which is just reviewing
the old films but looking back at you

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know what they did with the franchise
filming the time, there's trivia, lots

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of good stuff go back. Not
only were they fun discussions, because tons

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of the APES movies like we'll get
into today have lots of uh you know,

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identity politics and cover racial things and
preachest there was just one or two

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great memes always born along the way, whether it's no all they'll know whether

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it was how do orangue tanks have
sex with their hands? There's tons of

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fun stuff. I feel like just
the whole Tim Burton remake retro was a

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good time because of what a wild
movie that was. But yeah, here

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we are. We went through all
those movies. Next week we will be

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doing a ranking, so as usual, we'll rank the films. We'll right

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the villains, will probably rank the
scenes as well, and yeah, that

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should be a good time, so
look up for that. That will close

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us off until we get another APES, which I think we should. Hopefully

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tracking is right and it's gonna do
what it does, and if so,

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we should be getting some more.
So that's a hopeful thing. And huh

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look out for that. Uh but
uh yeah, ladies and John, we

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are here. So mister Field,
what did you think of Kingdom of the

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Planet of the Apes. I love
this movie. This is this is my

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number one of the year so far. I'm fucking kidding. Are you fucking

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kidding me? Oh yeah, come
on, I don't want to edit this

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episode. I don't want to edit. Oh look, the Club of Fire

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isn't there? Yeah, I know, I'm I am. I'm placing at

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number one. I just this is
like Dune is definitely there for for for

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I don't with your Dune flack.
You know people people love Dune and and

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for me, like I I remember
feeling I like the first one more than

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the second one. I think that's
how I said. It is what I

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said. That's what I said,
if you remember. Okay, Yeah,

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so for me, Apes is definitely
just it's my jam. I I love

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this new apes series that they've just
pumping out, and just the way that

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this movie started caught me off guard, and the way that they tackled certain

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things in this movie caught me off
guard. It felt even though we saw

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what the general twist was and the
narrative was with the trailers, I still

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felt like I was surprised and I
was really taken aback by just certain things

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going on in this movie. I
really really enjoyed it, and I think

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it. Madison said this too,
like it was not as heavy as the

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other ones. Well, I always
appreciate that heaviness. This one was nice

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just to kind of have a reprieve
from from that tone and really set up

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of a very interesting new universe here
that is hopefully gets to be explored further.

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I'm just super hype on this film. I really do want to go

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see it again already. And the
two and a half hours that this movie

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was it did not feel like it. I felt like I could have done

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more easily, throwing like another extra
half hour. I was just I was

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loving everything about this film. It
was hard to keep my my excitement contained

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before this review because I didn't want
to allude to how I was feeling about

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it. But yeah, this movie
was great and like you were yeah,

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you were smirking when we leave it. I was like, keep your secrets,

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okay, Oh yeah it was good. It was good. I wanted

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to listen to the score one more
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they don't have it. So I
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get me into the movie. Listen
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I re recorded the music by memory, like, but it sounds nothing like

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it in the Hall Thunder it.
I don't know if you can see it,

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but it's called Ape Day Feels.
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What the tracks are on there?
I see that. I shouldn't leave my

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wife playlist that one I got Gamers, Grow Feels and The Ranch Life.

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But the Ranch Life is my that's
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show me. Yeah, I don't
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It's just it's just a bunch of
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popped off some of the best scores. No, not that Michael. There's

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one rise Michael. Yeah, you're
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like track for its like, yeah, just imagine this movie that we found

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something and like they find this record
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Jackson. I can't stress enough though, if you are on the fence but

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seeing this movie, or you're just
you're not sure, go see this movie.

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I think everyone should see this movie
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wonderful. I had a great time
seeing it with We took up the whole

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row. We had a whole posse. That was great. Yeah, this

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is just it. This is a
great freaking movie. I always can see

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it. Though, if you're if
you watch Movio's alone, fuck you can't.

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It says the beginning, They're like, you better be here with friends,

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you know, mister pats Er.
Was it a wonderful night film?

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Yeah, it was a wonderful day
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the whole posse pull up, so
it was a good positive vibes going into

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it. I'm a little bit like
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feel like my overall feels I'm still
a little puzzled on like where I am.

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Solidly, I feel like I was
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just because you know, we did
we did all the the retros. This

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was the first ACE we've ever seen
in theaters too, so that was kind

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of like a big moment. I
think that this movie has fantastic like first

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and second act, and I think
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really good. And Taylor, you
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I think this could have been fucking
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I feel like I feel like that
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really maybe slow, and like you
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seen as a negative. I don't. I don't see as a negative at

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all. I think that the pacing
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but it just feels like they just
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there's just so many things that they
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we just get resolved, and like
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kind of deal with our main threat, I'm just I was really like,

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is that actually it? Like I
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to come in for our protagonists to
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rushed so quickly near the end,
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we have. Yeah, I don't
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but yeah, I am a little
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a beautifully made film, just you
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just with this new era of Apes
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with the mocap and everything, Like, this movie just looks so beautiful.

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And I really like to just see
the planet of the Apes year like hundreds

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of years afterwards, and like just
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just see how these Apes factions are
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actual like factions and clans and stuff. So that was really cool to see,

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really love seeing. Just like I
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well. I thought that, you
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last movie might feel weird just getting
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like quite attached to our main protagonists
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Like, like it's it's tough to
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other than just the fact that I
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more time with trying to avoid spoilers
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our main Proxima Proximus Caesar type threat, like it just seemed like that was

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really quick in my mind, and
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of the earlier portions felt more drawn
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shorten them, Like I really like
what those are. I'm hoping maybe there's

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just some like extended cut in a
vault somewhere that they're gonna release that like

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has a lot more extension to later
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think that brings it down quite a
bit for me. And while like while

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I was in the chair eat my
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I was thinking that this might be
better than Dawn, like like it had

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that potential. But I just think
what happens near the end for me,

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like the third act in particular,
is just yeah, it was. It

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was unfortunate. I was wanting more, and I think they just had such

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great ingredients to make it like a
perfect film and like truly a perfect film.

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I'm I'm you know, I'm choosing
my words carefully there, but I

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think this had potential for that,
but uh, I don't think it was

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so yeah, not my movie of
the year. I'm glad Taylor absolutely loved

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it. Was a good time for
sure, what a wonderful day. There's

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some fun moments for sure that came
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a little bit up set with how
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version with them in the mo cap
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to be the change. Yeah,
maybe I like the first act less.

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I guess, maybe be more on
the Jackson tracks too. I want to

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see that version release the whatever that
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Planet of the Jackson's, Planet of
the Jackson's. Yeah, I'll pass it

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off there. I want to get
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skip Travis, buckle up. I'm
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But uh uh no. Three notes. One, they played the trailer

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before the movie. And when I
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to this movie, not a because
Kirkland was trying to assure me it's it's

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a cell phone. Because every time
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the movie, it's usually like your
phone phone. Yeah, yeah, and

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it's like nothing to do with the
movie like this is so cruise comes at

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the beginning. Thanks for coming to
see the movies at the at the movies,

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h Jackson, Thank you for singing
the Apes movie. Oh my god,

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how many times did you say his
name? Man? You summoned them

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in your house For the audio listeners, Travis's poster behind him just fall behind

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his head. One of them is
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After I finished my non sport thoughts
me take that down. Good thing

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they didn't fall, But I'm sorry, miss mister Jackson. Just be real,

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you know. Uh. So,
yeah, we got the trailer for

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it came to the Apes whatever,
Kingdom, I'm just gonna call Kingdom.

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I'm gonna say a fucking long time. We got the trailer for Kingdom before

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the movie. We all thought it
was not that so, uh that wasn't

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great. I was half convinced that
it was going to like be a different

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movie. It wasn't. Two.
My my wife was not there, so

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she was She's not a part of
the crew, as they've both referred to

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this crew. So that's a mental
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well the posse. Yeah, so
the posse. She's not part of

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the posse's that's two. I'll bring
that up awkwardly when we're camping three the

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movie. Ah, I'm very excited
next week for the rankings episode because much

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the thoughts that Kirkling had, I
thought those were gonna be my thoughts,

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and they still are, but I
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But I think I'm pretty in line
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act two are very strong. I'm
not gonna say like perfect because I have

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to watch that again, but like, I don't have too many really critiques

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about those acts. I enjoy the
new characters. We had heard this before,

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but I think, and this does
attribute to the third act. I

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really appreciate how they deal with Caesar, especially in the first act, but

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then going forward the idea of what
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other people, because that's the best
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with the tim Byrne. One right
not to break like bring down one to

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raise another, but we talked about
how that was just like an action movie,

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and you know there's still even then. I think I gave it like

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a positive you it's still guilty pleasure. But Apes is the best when like

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it means something and use it.
They literally just use Caesar as Jesus or

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God whatever. So that's the thing
of taking that image and doing amalgamation of

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God and Jesus and Caesar and people
twisting and turning it some people sticking.

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That is really good to see.
So I think that stuff's all a hit.

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I like all the characters, as
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a good job, almost similar to
Dawn, where all the characters have different

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motivations and you can buy I think
the majority of them right. Even there's

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a character I really like it here
that does something you're like, fuck,

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that's brutal, but coming from their
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I can give it. Not so
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Gary almost gonna blow up all the
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he knows is they got the power
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his point of view, I gotta
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moments like this with the apes the
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like I don't like this, but
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because it is kind of like a
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Proximus, it's funny and we'll get
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I like him better than some of
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is like, uh, like they
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like a like a bolt point Golden
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I would have my top five,
but I sadly could see him being pushed

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out, and I didn't think that
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think there's some really crazy echoes to
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because War was just a previous film. It's not like Rise and Battle or

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what was which was no conquest right
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taking over. There's similar, but
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like six to seven years apart,
and there's some things that are just literally

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it's like the exact same story.
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that don't like War. It's not
as long, but there's just beats with

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the villain, with what the villain
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in Apes. There's a whole section
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reskinned here, and I was like
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me that doesn't I want to say, falls apart, but gets a little

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weaker. But I'll say how the
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it's a great setup for the future. And right away when I ended,

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I'm like, I'm ready for the
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not a way of like, oh, I'll just consume the content. I

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like Apes. No, it legitimately
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and excited to see where all these
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a good thing. So I think
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but at least I've seen this,
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enough, and I still really like
it's nowhere near like a failure or anything.

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This gives me much more confidence if
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plans for him direct Zelda. This
gave me like, Okay, I can

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see some good Zelda isms here where
I'm like, okay, I can be

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a little less worried. Where if
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big Man, We're fucking screwed for
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okay, I can see the vision
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of my mind thin But yeah,
overall, I thought it was great for

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the most part. But I think
it's probably my top five for the year.

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it's in the top three, but
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top five letterbox fucking gum man.
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think it's neck and neck with the
top five right now. I got duned

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and that's like monkey Man, Lisa
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Bleeding and Macolt Slot. There's a
lot of fighting going on there. So

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look at that. Clay gave it
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that's a very rare you know,
I was expected that. Yeah,

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April gave it a four point five
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four. I'm just on the letterbox
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there's some more patrons to our patrons
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so far behind on my letter box. It's just it's atrocious. I think

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I have like beekeeper on there.
It's my only move for the year.

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So someone just keeps shocking too,
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movie like four months ago, because
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Like is that is that approach to
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them, just not give stars or
reviews like I don't have to Okay,

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I don't know that was the rules. I do that right now and then

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i'll review them after this review drops. I'm not Taylor Field just spoiling my

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score and stuff. I don't do
it anymore anymore. You've been good,

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You've been good. But I'll list
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you could go on my list.
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it's tripped me out to I'm just
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right now with the painting that fell
behind him, there's gonna be some yeah,

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like the host, this is this
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of yours. If you're if you're
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but anything else, Travis on your
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that haunted Michael Jackson was tearing down
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like a beetlejuice effect. You,
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me watching the painting Jesus Christ Jackson. Oh yeah, the little shadow effect.

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There you go. Audio of listeners
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But I killed them again though,
just like Evil Dad, Like I

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saw his head off. Yeah,
right, Where do you guys want to

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start? So if you jumped to
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I do, I do want to
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I'm kind of hated, and I've
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we meet no one, No,
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to go of the ending. No, just like kind of piggybacking on what

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is just kind of how quick it
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camps. I guess that Proximist is
setting up right like he brings. He's

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in Noah's words, he's stealing plans
to just build his kingdom, which I

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loved all of that setup, Like
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kingdom and just kind of like getting
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I feel like I really did like
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of like the cadence that he carried
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to be a more just tyrannical type
character that's just like pure evil. You

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just hate him from the get go. But I feel like he has enough

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charisma to kind of like somewhat win
people over. Like he has he exudes

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fear. We see that with I
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That's not I feel like that terminology
is not right. He exudes fear.

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I feel like that would make it
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intimidation, Yeah, really scared guy's
gonna get his fucking Yeah, that fault

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definitely Anaya, that's definitely Anyah,
that's definitely no, go the fucking fault

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get to her. Guys, Okay, But he also just has that presence

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of command that I think they they
were able to really do a good job

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at showing, Like I got that
from the trailer and when we actually were

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in the movie, I think they
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well. But even just the way
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and like not be super scary to
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be like a coba, right,
like just pure hating of the humans and

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just like apes is the way,
like they are disgusting. I can't even

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look at them. So that was
kind of a pleasant surprise because you just

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seemed a little bit more intelligent and
like he seemed like someone that wanted knowledge

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more so than than just pure power
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So that was a pleasant surprise.
I but again, like just the issues

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I had was more so it just
seems so easy for our heroes to just

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get into the vault, get what
they wanted flood the base and then there's

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the big flood that happens, and
then we just take out Proximous with the

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eagles, which I thought that was
a really cool sequence. I did like

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that it reminded me of some Wakanda
moments of them doing like the duels up

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on the cliff side there. But
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that we have not Nova may escape
and go away. I was expecting like

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there to be almost like a red
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the humans that come in and like
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with. But it just we just
go back to the Eagle Klan and they're

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just rebuilding, and I'm just like, really, like that's it. It

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just seems so easy that weekend when
we were fucking slays for a couple of

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days. Yeah, man, shit
was great. I mean, I know

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Taylor loved it, but like,
how do you feel on that trous Did

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it seem quick for you? Am
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their mission, like they're like they
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Proximus's camp. I know it's nighttime, but it just seems so easy to

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do it well that I was fine
with because he was I think he wanted

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that to happen though, right,
so I think he was Proximus. Oh

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yeah, so I think he would
have gave no talls apes like hey,

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make it look like, make it
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being you know, clever, but
they're not. We you know what they're

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doing, So let them do what
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was waiting at the door to me
shows like, okay, this was a

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plan. He did say, Oh, I'm using you because you're a clever

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ape. But I think for me
it's my issue. I think I agree

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with you. Things go a little
quick, and I was a little caught

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off guard that yeah, just ended
with them all back and just even like

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the trees are built up very quickly. Again, I'm like, okay,

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I guess, like I said,
just a crazy weekend where we lost our

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dad and a couple other ones.
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weird thing that you can take both
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lost family, who's looking for revenge
that gets put into a camp with a

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king that's making the apes work towards
a goal that's not theirs. Which movie

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am I talking about? Or for
the Planet of the Apes. It's both

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of them. It had like that's
what was odd to me. That the

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whole thing of why did Woody Harrelson
need the apes? Well, you need

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them so they could build something.
Why did proximals need the apes? Well,

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he needed so they could take something
down, Like, I know that's

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not building, but it's like it's
the same thing where they're in camps.

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He is like a like he is
like he's not as bad as Coba,

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But to me, he was a
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had those traits Like Woody Harrelson when
he's locking up, he's not as vicious,

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and but then when he does get
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the human he's like, we're gonna
get on an a vault and we're gonna

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fucking kill all the humans. So
it was like Cooba where it's just like

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he's being nice to them now,
but the second it gets at all,

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like that artillery, they're gonna target
the humans. And take them all down.

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So again, very much like Woody
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But that's the thing where it just
it's and this is what I sent

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a Tan in the car, something
that I was disappointed about. I enjoy

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Proximus More, but Woody Harrelson was
more fleshed out, and we didn't like

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he. We even said he could
have been more fleshed out. I was

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very surprised. They never talked about
Noah's dad at all ever, not once,

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you know, and I was find
like it just didn't make sense to

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me of like, at any point
they're gonna be like, hey, we

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want him to help, and no
Ape is like, yeah, there might

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be an issue though, because we
killed that leaders his dad, and that

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to me is just like for the
first two acts, I thought they were

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doing very well and that was just
the second he buries him and he tells

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his momy dad's dead. That dad
never comes back up again, and his

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mission is much like Caesar's. He's
gonna get his people back and he's gonna

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take down these people, right that
like took him down. So I think

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for me, I was just more
disappointed when we got there and when we

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saw the Apes building stuff, I
was like, Oh, we're just doing

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this again what I thought at first, because at first it seemed like the

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Apes weren't being abused, and they're
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but they're definitely like against their will. There's some shady stuff going on.

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I thought we were getting a Northman
moment where it's gonna be revealed that the

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mom was actually with Proximus and like, because it was weird that only really

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the dad Ape died and it didn't
seem like many of the other apes died,

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right, And I thought there's gonna
be some big reveal of fuck no

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like they are to this tribe is
together now and Noah's like broken. But

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it was just the same plot for
more of the Apes, of they kidnapped

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these apes because they need the ape
power, and I was just, Oh,

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that's that's it. So that's where
my third act was. I almost

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disengaged from it. Where that's why
the and I agree, I think everything

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moves at like a warp speed,
and that's why it's funny for war Spielle

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don't like. I think that's why
move words to be because Caesar's at that

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camp for a long time. Were
that camp for a very long time.

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We're here. It is like the
reduced version of that, because maybe there's

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a script where like, oh,
this is too similar. So that's where

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I was a little, uh caught
off guard. Yeah, Proximus, I

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just think is like very good,
but definitely needed more of him, more

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with the motivations, more of everything. So but very entertaining characters. So

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I have similar problems but different problems
at the same time with it. No,

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00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,319
Yeah, I'm glad you made that
observation because I feel like in the

407
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:36,039
moment it didn't it didn't really hit
me the comparisons to to war, but

408
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,240
like now that you're mentioning them,
it really does make sense water time.

409
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:48,119
But like for me, it was
it was more so expecting a lot of

410
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,720
interesting things to be going on in
the camp, like like you mentioned the

411
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,400
Northman reference, which I think that
would have been spicy for for you know,

412
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,039
to have like the the tie of
the mother and Proximus. I think

413
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:04,559
in hindsight, I'm glad it didn't
go that route, just because it makes

414
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,640
it feel like if they go your
version and there is some like romantic relationship

415
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:12,839
or something or like betrayal amongst the
mother. I feel like there should have

416
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,359
been a closer tie amongst the kingdoms
of like the Eagles and like like like

417
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,559
maybe they should have had interactions.
It seems like, yeah, what the

418
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,039
movie was, Yeah, like a
long like they are very separate, and

419
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,319
then of course when the masked apes
come in, they're just like, who

420
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:33,559
is this that's fined is his camp
essentially because they are just trying to absorb

421
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,960
kingdoms, and the comparisons to just
like the Roman Kingdom and like how they're

422
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,640
able to just like basically win wars
and then steal women and like just grow

423
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,079
their city that way. I did
like the comparisons, especially that we have

424
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,039
another Caesar here approximates Caesar that's you
know, just a lot more of a

425
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,279
obviously an emperor as opposed to what
Caesar was, which is just like the

426
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,839
Elder the terminology that they mentioned there. So your observation definitely maybe brings it

427
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,079
down a little bit because it is
so similar to War. I am not

428
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,480
a major fan of War, uh
So I don't like either. I don't

429
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,319
want war to happen to anybody.
I like the movie War for planings,

430
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,079
but like the song though songs pretty
good. That's gonna come get me too.

431
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,440
Uh, but yeah, I don't
know. I'll throw it to Taylor

432
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:26,240
because you you love the third act, the best third act in cinema.

433
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,759
So mm hmm. Well, I
I feel like you guys are highlighting the

434
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,039
similarities between this and War, and
personally, I feel like there are certain

435
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,000
things in all these eight films.
Uh, not the like the five other

436
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:44,599
ones, but the wag Wahlberg one. I feel like there's some similarities in

437
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,359
there. Maybe it's just like isolated
to just when there's like chase scenes and

438
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:53,039
stuff like that that I think there's
similarities, but like the whole like Dawn,

439
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:57,440
Rise and War all very different,
I think, like plot line,

440
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,119
but even so, like the setup
of communication and all that kind of stuff,

441
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,359
you don't understand that it's a thing
till the very end. But in

442
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,519
retrospect, after we got there,
I just felt like, Okay, well,

443
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,839
this feels very much like Dawn and
just what the humans are trying to

444
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,160
do, not necessarily the apes,
but then yeah, you have I think

445
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,400
that was smart that they didn't revealed
in the movie though, right, it

446
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,640
is smart and they just wait till
the very last min to be like,

447
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,440
oh, they're trying to get communications. I think that was smart where this

448
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,920
is a whole act of war from
the planet of Apes just reducts. Yeah,

449
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,079
I know I would. I would
agree with that, and not that

450
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,240
there's anything wrong with that in my
opinion, because I like war a lot.

451
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,200
I really really enjoyed it, and
I think as far as Proximus Caesar

452
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,319
goes, I really like this guy
as a villain. I think he was

453
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,720
really as you mentioned Kirkle, and
he was charismatic to a slight degree,

454
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,759
and I like that how he was
friendly, he was hosting, but he

455
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:55,400
was also as he says, like
he doesn't care how many apes he expends

456
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:57,400
to get into this vault. He
just wants to get in there. And

457
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:03,039
he's I liked every time he was
talking and when Nova or May I guess

458
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,480
pulled out the gun and he's smiling, but he's like moving him in behind

459
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,279
all the apes and he's like,
are there more of those in there in

460
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,640
my vault? Like that he's moving
in between them. He's like this piece

461
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,160
of ship guy. He's so shady, but I really really like so I'm

462
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:27,839
pretty impressed by that. Uh the
voice you had yeah, still our stole

463
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,440
our Adrenda crowns Bastard's the the Eagle
scene taking him down was wonderful. I

464
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,160
thought that was that was really really
cool. I really like that. But

465
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:42,359
yeah, he's just I was not
expecting him to have William uh Macy in

466
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,799
there too of just yeah, being
one like his his subservient, subservient or

467
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,119
whatnot, and just a little bit
of that insight to where oh he likes

468
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,119
to he likes jokes, and he
likes stories with Julius Caesar and Roman stuff.

469
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,279
I'm like, that's I find that
really fascinating. And I think that

470
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:07,119
that totally clicks because when you're when
you're like Proximus Caesar and you're trying to

471
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,799
uh you want to take over and
you want to be instilling this baseline kind

472
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,680
of control and dominance. Look at
how the Romans did it, and I

473
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:22,160
mean, fuck, that's pretty basic
and yeah handehobs, Yeah this in this

474
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,279
book in h Macy's like, no, not that book. See that's another

475
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,119
thing that I liked that character.
One more from him I didn't understand.

476
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,440
I don't think Macy's character. Yeah, I don't think you served much as

477
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,960
a purpose. I think you could
have just had a nice ape no I

478
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,279
may all that stuff and we'd get
the same. I don't think he was

479
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,160
meant to serve any larger purpose other
than really reaffirm like he was there,

480
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,799
why kids. He wasn't there to
serve any other purpose except to reaffirm the

481
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,440
position of Noah and his friends to
see may actually kill someone, because at

482
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,720
this point they haven't killed anyone.
And I mean they never seen humans kill,

483
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:05,160
or they haven't even seen humans talk. This is all very new to

484
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,519
them. So for an ape to
kill an ape, that's that's a big

485
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,039
no. No, really, you
don't do that. And so here this

486
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,720
human just kill I don't think it
is. I think it no. It

487
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,839
varies for clans. I think in
this kingdom it doesn't matter. But I

488
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,920
think for their clan it's a big
no no. I don't think they're preaching

489
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,880
like Caesar's Caesar's way or anything like
that. But I think for them at

490
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,720
least they're preaching like, well,
we don't kill each other, like we're

491
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,839
a clan, we're all one family, like we're together. And so in

492
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,440
this moment here for for them to
see a human and intelligent human kill one

493
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,640
of their own kind who is also
talking human like, it's just it blows

494
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,160
their mind probably like out of the
water, think like, I can't believe

495
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,720
she did this and we're supposed to
trust her when she immediately just killed him

496
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:52,400
with his back to her, like
this is this he serves as that that

497
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:57,880
starting seed where they're they're really really
kind of turn not turning on her,

498
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,720
but casting more doubt. Idn't say
it's the starting scene because Proximus kind of

499
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,279
instigates that at the at the beginning
when they're at the dinner table. Yeah,

500
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,119
but he's also a reliable narrator,
right, like of course he's going

501
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,960
to say the true and so he
does like she does. Yeah, Noah

502
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,720
does get like concerned, and so
maybe it's in the back of his mind.

503
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:21,440
But when she kills Macy's character,
that really cements it. And then

504
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,480
he sees the book of them in
cages inside the bunker. So there's just

505
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,880
all these things lighting up, and
I'm kind of like drifting a bit more

506
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,200
here forwards. But when it gets
to the point where she is trying to

507
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,559
I was kind of surprised that she
showed up, but I like that she

508
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,599
showed up to just kind of like
maybe reconcile or just say like sorry,

509
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,960
whatever her true intentions were when she
had that gun behind her back. I

510
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:46,519
really like that scene that she just
couldn't couldn't trust. So I thought that

511
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,480
was really really bold and really interesting, and I feel like it sets up

512
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:57,279
like just that future they probably will
be enemies and him just pondering in a

513
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,359
pondering like I don't know if we're
going to be allies, if there's any

514
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:07,240
way we can be allies, and
I think sorry, like slightly like it

515
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:15,840
slightly reminded me of the sequence between
Caesar and Uhles characters name what was whatever

516
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:22,320
his name was. That doesn't sound
right at all, fucking I don't know,

517
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,400
not because of like they were super
close and like this is goodbye forever,

518
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,920
but it was also just like that
relationship is never gonna be like what

519
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:38,639
it was, or like it's pretty
much just goodbye, like like permanently,

520
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:45,599
and like I don't think Caesar ever
saw Aaron Air quote again, but will

521
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:52,599
Will Rodman, Will Will Rodman,
of course doctor Rodman didn't age well,

522
00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:05,280
doctor, But like I think it's
possible that Noah and her will see each

523
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
other again, but definitely not on
the same alliance scale. I think we're

524
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:14,159
prepping for War of the Kingdom of
the Planet of the Apes, of the

525
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,840
Humans, of the Rise of the
Human of the Planet of the Apes.

526
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:24,280
Done Donald, So I forgot don
in there. I'm my grandfather mother.

527
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:30,119
My ass fucking hurts. It's funny. I took it the other way.

528
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,400
I took it more as like,
it's Caesar and Malcolm where at the end

529
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,840
they have their because character Malcolm,
he said Woody without Woody Harrelson, Like,

530
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:46,519
who the fuck are you talking about? Jason Clark, Jason Clark from

531
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:51,280
down he's the human there. Oh
yeah, yeah. So because at that

532
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:54,519
movie they say goodbye to each other
and they do the same thing of like,

533
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:59,800
I really wanted it to work him
in the Apes, and she's like,

534
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,559
I I thought we had a chance
to Where this is them both saying

535
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,400
they want to work, but with
much more like trepidation. Right, because

536
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,920
that Malcolm and Caesar is we had
a chance for to work. It's not

537
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,880
gonna work. It's gonna spread that
these apes kill these humans. This is

538
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,320
like a second chance because May went
out there clearly scared and yeah, I

539
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,679
met some bad apes, but also
met a full tribe and one in two

540
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,039
apes in particular that were really kind
and helped her. Right, so her

541
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,840
personality is no longer gonna be skewed
that way if all apes are bad.

542
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,119
Now she's definitely on That's what I
love. She's a soldier and she's on

543
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,519
a mission. Like she's not a
soldier, but she is in this sense

544
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:37,639
right, Like she has a job. She has to get there and do

545
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,400
something. And same thing with Noah. He thinks very differently of humans.

546
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,079
He sees they can be compassionate.
Now, she did fucking kill a bunch

547
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,840
of the apes, like she drowned
a bunch. But we'll get that later.

548
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:53,639
I completely agreed that decision, and
I did not expect I guess before

549
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,480
we go off to a different route. I love the ending. I think

550
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,239
it sets up a perfect scenario where
here's where I will go against it.

551
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:06,920
I hope it's not like Malcolm where
oh and in between movies he died.

552
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,360
I think this character may is essential
to the sequel. I think with the

553
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,360
Tide of Noah and the tide of
humans, she has to be because if

554
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Malcolm and Caesar are the end of
humans and apes can't get along. This

555
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,239
to me is like the potential beginning
of oops. Oops, that's what they're

556
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,599
called together and apes together we are
now oops No. But like this to

557
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,960
me is the potential deal breaker of
how can we work with apes? Well,

558
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,679
May has a history, has said
these things, knows the tribe.

559
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,280
That's how they can try to break
bed once together. Because let's say we

560
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,079
don't know for sure, but let's
say this is still our connuity right where

561
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,800
things don't change eventually In Battle for
the Apes, the humans did find a

562
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,119
way and apes find a way,
right, And I feel like that should

563
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,480
be the ending of this franchise,
even if it is a new timeline.

564
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,199
They should find a way. So
I love like that was a perfect trajectory.

565
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,719
But at the same time, she
was smart enough to know if I

566
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,480
show my face, because I did, I'd probably kill some apes to save

567
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,239
myself. I got this gun ready, so if no one makes a move,

568
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,280
I'm gonna fucking kill them. And
that's why I can't believe I'm saying

569
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,079
this that when we do our rankings, I do not think like this May

570
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,880
character is gonna be pretty high on
my rankings. I loved this character because

571
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:20,239
she they made her very gray area, but only from our point of view,

572
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,599
it's literally like think about when they
find those books in the vault and

573
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:29,119
they're like having all this experience.
Compare it to the first pun Apes.

574
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,599
The same thing happens, right,
they find the doll, they find glasses,

575
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:37,360
they find oh, faked teeth and
everything like that. Because Charlton Heston

576
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,559
is a human and he's our protagonist, we're with them, We're like,

577
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:43,559
yeah, fuck you Apes, Like
I'm not fuck you so, but I'm

578
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:45,800
just saying like you're supposed to be. Like Hessen is like, yeah,

579
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,639
we ruled the earth and you guys
fucking ruined it. Right. So now

580
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,360
when we flip it and it's the
ape seeing that she comes off as like

581
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,440
an antagonist of like they they're reading
these books. She approaches them from the

582
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,320
dark like hey, we gotta get
at her, and it's very like like

583
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,719
fuck is she gonna kill? But
like what she gonna do? Like you

584
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,639
can't trust her. But again,
if you were to make this movie from

585
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,960
her point of view, it's the
same thing as Taylor Heston, right,

586
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:12,119
It's a he's just trying to survive
and get through and same thing. He'll

587
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,199
kill apes, he'll threaten apes,
he fucking threads like Zerra, who's like

588
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,280
the nicest ape in the world,
like he's a gun to he at one

589
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,079
point like I'm gonna fucking blow her
head off, Like that's the thing where

590
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,000
for her to shoot out this damn
she doesn't want to, but like is

591
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,360
she's supposed to believe Proximus is not
gonna even hunt down, like get her

592
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920
hunt down and kill her. And
same thing he has said even at dinner.

593
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:35,559
Once I can I get that vault, I'm gonna kill these fucking humans.

594
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,599
And she Now at the end of
that movie, with it revealing there's

595
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:42,280
tons of humans underground. More so
when they call, which we'll get into

596
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,239
when they start talking about underground,
I was like, oh, fuck,

597
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,920
here we go. But like so
yeah, I was worrying when like,

598
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,400
oh, there's a section of humans
still underneath, and I'm like, oh

599
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,199
no, they're gonna have superpowers.
I didn't think they're going that roup.

600
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:55,360
But I just had flashbacks to beneath
it. But that's what I love with

601
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,239
this character. That every it's much
like Charleston Heston and Taylor. Everything they

602
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,039
did made sense for that character.
It was oppose our character. She did

603
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,239
kill probably dozens of Apes by sinking
that plot. But it's like, oh

604
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,119
yeah, it's in this say stage, it's human versus ape and she's on

605
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,480
team human. She has to defend
him, So yeah, she has to

606
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:17,360
fucking sink this vault. And I
loved it, and I did not think

607
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,159
I'd be walking away. And the
last way I make is the only thing

608
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,039
I've seen her in is in Netflix
Witcher. This is a performance that you're

609
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:28,039
gonna see her in a bunch of
stuff. I feel like people are gonna

610
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,280
get me the fucking girl from Apes. I thought she fucking delivered a home

611
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,199
run here in which or she's good
here, she was great. You saw

612
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,719
her in one more thing that you
and I reviewed together. Actually this is

613
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:44,519
Gunpowder Milkshake. Oh god, was
the little girl in there? It was

614
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,480
young sam in it's the main character. Okay, okay, yeah, I

615
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,760
completely forgot about it obviously movie there
for a second, she was a young

616
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,360
well even like first season of Wicher, if you like look at just uh

617
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,800
yeah, like shots from then,
it's like, man, she look like

618
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,519
a baby. It's crazy how quickly
you know young actresses and actors just age,

619
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,320
you know, like the Strangers or
sorry, the Stranger things affect as

620
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,400
well with those kids. Yeah,
and that's the thing where it's like,

621
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,679
I like, gosh, what's his
name we were talking about in the cart

622
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,880
here, what's the kid that plays
Mike and Stranger Things? He's a Ghostbusters?

623
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Like, oh god, no one
remembers this guy's name. Fuck.

624
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:30,039
Not a great sign, but like, uh, oh no, yes,

625
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,119
I thought I had it. It's
some fin wolf the right. I don't

626
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,679
know how you forget name my fat
that. And there's other ones like that

627
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,400
right where I've seen them as a
kid and they're Dalton's like, oh yeah,

628
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,039
you're still have a good actor,
Like he's still good in Ghostbusters like

629
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,920
that, Like that's fine, But
this is like a fuck like what Like

630
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,480
to me, it's like a huge
leap from what she doesn't witch her to

631
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:52,960
she's gonna be No, don't think
about it. But I had to say

632
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,960
it because I knew that you had
her on the list. I knew that

633
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,800
I had on the list. I
want to put it out there, so

634
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,320
it's a wild card. Kirk is
not going to get her. But no,

635
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,760
she just impressed me a lot.
When we've talked about this before,

636
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,519
sometimes the human characters can bring down
a movie and for me did not do

637
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,199
that. So BRAWLVO to her so
and I hope to They said, I

638
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:13,199
think you'll see her in a bunch
of stuff now after this. So yeah,

639
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,039
no, absolutely, there's a man. You unloaded a lot there.

640
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,320
I meant to jump in a couple
of times. You said Taylor Heston.

641
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,199
I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah, I say Taylor. I

642
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,199
just feel like Taylor looks up,
It's like what am I doing? Am

643
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,440
I asleep? And then I'm just
talking about it like made me think like

644
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:35,840
maybe like did they actually have Heston
as Taylor's last name, Like Charlton Heston

645
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,280
is just like, yeah, you're
gonna use my last name and my name,

646
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,280
my full name is gonna be on
the title card. Wake up.

647
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,280
He's son of a bitch. No, but you said a lot of stuff

648
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,280
that I completely agree with there,
just more so like the like the flooding

649
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,119
of the base has to happen,
not just for the survival of the humans,

650
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:59,920
but also just like the Eagle Clan, you know, like or sorry,

651
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,119
not just the Eagle Klan, but
other factions of apes out there,

652
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,000
like Proximist is gonna take on He's
gonna take over the whole fucking globe.

653
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,159
If he has access to just what's
in this in this bunker, with the

654
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,199
potential of what it is now,
I think it would have probably taken them

655
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,800
a lot of time to really figure
out how it all it works. Probably

656
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,960
just to turn on the power would
have taken some time. But just apes

657
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,280
with guns, like we've seen it
in all the old Apes movies, that's

658
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,320
definitely what would have been happening.
And they had these shock sticks that were

659
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,199
pretty effective for the most part.
I mean clearly like he was building up

660
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,000
a kingdom, which is the weaponry
that they had. But if they just

661
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:36,039
got these fucking you know, the
C fifty eight or whatever the hell they're

662
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,239
they're rock and C fifty two whatever
your gun was for war zone, Travis,

663
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,639
I'm trying to remember, But yeah, uh, that would have been

664
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,400
dangerous for not just the humans,
but but everyone out there that's not a

665
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:52,840
part of the Kingdom of Proximus.
So I I think I think that this

666
00:43:53,199 --> 00:44:02,039
uh looking faster, I think I
can't focus. I can't focus. I

667
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:08,239
think that that was a really good
just like it must be done from our

668
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:15,960
human character there and our human character. I think they did a really good

669
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:22,159
job at Now I'm even more nervous
Travis is fucking with the camera. Pay

670
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:34,280
attention, look at the reflections Jurassic
poster. It looks like the deer viawddress.

671
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,199
But yeah, no, they did
such a great job at really making

672
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,559
it seem like May was the sketchy
figure and like not just because we're humans

673
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,000
watching this movie, we should be
rooting for her from the get go.

674
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,199
And I think that's what they succeeded
so well in And like the first act

675
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,719
is just like establishing our heroes for
the film, right, like Noah and

676
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,000
his clan, Like they do such
a good job at showing just like the

677
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,800
the bond that the factions share him
and his friends, and just it makes

678
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,639
us want to root for him.
Like when when his egg gets crushed early

679
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,679
on, I'm like, are you
fucking kidding me? It felt like a

680
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,800
like a like a miscarriage, right, like like it had that effect and

681
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,880
that far how he's carrying this little
egg and she just like crushes him in

682
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:27,000
the belly. It just like everywhere
that's just like some super minor I guess

683
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,079
not as extreme, but like the
worst thing that's gonna happen is like,

684
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:31,960
he's not gonna get a badge,
like you're a sheriff now. A miscarriage

685
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,639
is like, it's not like his
child, he's losing. And I felt

686
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:37,760
like it though, and I think
that's what they were trying to go for,

687
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,360
at least that's how I took it. Might be a bit of a

688
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,159
hyperbole, but yes, so but
no, they did such a great job

689
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:51,880
at setting that up, and I
was really curious how the whole I guess

690
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,079
may character was gonna be like in
the trailers. I think it was just

691
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:58,039
like, oh, here we go, there's gonna be another nova, and

692
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,920
how is this gonna work out?
I really wasn't expecting her to be able

693
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,480
to speak or anything like that.
So that was really that was a nice

694
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,079
moment. I think, Oh,
I guess you weren't on the cat you

695
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,920
Yeah, you missed that cast when
we did a trailer breakdown, right,

696
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,400
that was a super Bowl one that
we I thought I was on. Yeah,

697
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:15,400
yeah, because Taylor had a good
theory and he had me going the

698
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,119
whole time thinking that was the what
was happening. But uh, yeah,

699
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,760
he had the theory that it was
an astronaut, that they were doing a

700
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,840
remake of the original plan of the
apes, and not like a full remake,

701
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,199
but the idea of because if it's
a new timeline and in the sense

702
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,760
of, you know, when Charlton
Heston and his crew go down there's that

703
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000
girl that's glass broken, and it's
her in this timeline would be the reverse

704
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:42,599
where maybe like, okay, yeah. So that's why I always thought she

705
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:45,159
was gonna talk, because Saylor did
bring up some good points as we were

706
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,280
all were along. Two is because
when he looked at her clothes they were

707
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,639
much more modern then because in the
trailer they showed up this cave in people

708
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,639
with hers modern. So I was
on that bandwagon. I thought Taya was

709
00:46:55,679 --> 00:47:00,360
completely right that she is an astronaut
that's come back and landed and now we're

710
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,199
retelling this. But it wasn't that, and it's a whole it's it's a

711
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,800
play on something old where it is
okay, there's people down below, which

712
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,159
did happen to plant apes, but
this is like the realistic take on we

713
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,639
talked about how like there's good ideas
to that, but the idea of they

714
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:20,840
went down below and became like fucking
mutin with megamind heads and superpowers, it's

715
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,800
not the route they should have win. To me, this is taking Hey,

716
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:28,079
what's something from that original franchise that
we could play off of, much

717
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,159
like Rise was the Conquest, you
know, like, but how can we

718
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,519
do it like a little bit better? And to me, this is absolutely

719
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,400
it, Like I could believe that, especially nowadies, we always hear about

720
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,239
people making like doomsday and fall bunkers, all this stuff, I could believe.

721
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:43,360
Now, did it happen a little
fast? And how do they how

722
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,239
does it all work for this is
like four hundred years later? I don't

723
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,840
know, but I'm completely fine to
suspendos belief and wait till seql. But

724
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,440
I think that's something that the franchise. If they've touched upon it, they

725
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,360
haven't touched upon it in a good
way. It's much like Venom right where

726
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,760
it's like, yeah, sure we
have a venom, we have two venoms,

727
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,599
but it's like I don't feel satisfied
in what I got in vent them.

728
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:05,559
So yeah, if we ever get
a vet on the MCU, I'm

729
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:07,000
sure something. Oh, just don
them again. But if it's done,

730
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:12,320
well, go, oh this is
great. So in Beneath and for Battle,

731
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,960
because remember they had people hiding out
with their their buses and stuff.

732
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,000
We got that thing, but to
me, and now those versions were good

733
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:22,400
or fleshed out, this is something
potential. These people been there for years.

734
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,719
They're like dosing the suits, they're
cleaning them, like they're have this

735
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,760
whole tradition, not traditional, this
whole protocol. They sent her out.

736
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:31,880
So like, for me, this
is due territory for the Apes franchise of

737
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,880
like using something that is old but
giving it a fresh coat of paint.

738
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,199
And that's what I'm very excited to
see. And I think that, of

739
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,639
course there's similar elements and themes that
could play, but I that's what I

740
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,079
like about now that she's not the
actional and I think that still gives us

741
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:52,239
a chance for some movie ending or
the fucking spaceship coming down. I don't

742
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,639
think we need that. As I've
said before, I think that'd be a

743
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,000
great way to end it. And
then you never answer, because I think

744
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,039
if you fully remake plan the Apes, you get into really tricky territory.

745
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,480
So I think it's just good to
leave it where it is and just keep

746
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:09,639
doing your own thing. I was
gonna mention about the spacecraft, but Taylor

747
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:15,159
doesn't really talk to a little bit. I totally thought this was a spaceship

748
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,599
scenario here, and she was an
astronaut. So I love the idea that

749
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:22,280
we're not there yet and they're saving
it for later on. And they really

750
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:27,559
capped this out of course by focusing
on like satellites and communication, but to

751
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,760
me, it just felt like man
space and spaceships, Like yeah, especially

752
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,800
because like there was the when they
found the fucking scope at the beginning,

753
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,840
and there's like there's so much space
stuff in here. I'm like, oh,

754
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,960
she's gotta be But it was kind
of a good freak out you or

755
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,280
fake out. It was a good
fake out. So I think that the

756
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:51,840
whole yeah, them kind of showing
her being from a new colony underground.

757
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,320
I really like that, and seeing
how many of them are still alive and

758
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:59,360
they're playing an extra safe like that
Simu and Flu is nowhere like anywhere,

759
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,800
touching that they're all super isolated safe
in there, and to think that this

760
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,480
is generations later. So these people
that have survived and they're in here,

761
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,800
who knows at what point they went
down into this bunker. They probably went

762
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:17,239
pretty earlier on, and they all
just they they're very very well educated.

763
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,880
Well, yeah, that, but
they're very well educated, and they're probably

764
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:27,239
really filled with hate towards the the
apes, especially because you see that present

765
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,920
in in May when she's talking about
how these things that are here not meant

766
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,559
to be for you, they're our
things. Yeah, and again it's just

767
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:39,280
it shows it just shows humankind and
that greediness and that you're going to betray

768
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,880
your own race you know here and
yeah, character said that in this I

769
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,960
know, yeah, I meant was
my nickname, but I forgot, but

770
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:49,400
it was, Yeah, someone dropped
the betray your own race thing. So

771
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,559
I just think that you mentioned a
few things or Travis that are pretty spot

772
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:57,679
on, Like if you're seeing this
from May's point of view, which you

773
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,639
get that that heston perspective where you're
on their side from you see it from

774
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:04,800
what they're going through, but then
in this case more so you do see

775
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,880
it from Noah and Noah's friend's side, when it's like, man, we

776
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:13,440
were just animals now. I'm definitely
I'm of two parts on this because I

777
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,239
definitely can see where her justification is
on destroying the dam and flooding it.

778
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,639
It makes total sense excuse for the
hatred that is manifested in her, and

779
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:28,440
you don't want these apes, especially
Proximus Caesar to get tanks, hummers and

780
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,199
weapons like that thing was loaded.
It was really cool to see that vault

781
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,360
decked out with all this stuff.
It is really neat. So first thought,

782
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,599
I'm like, that's a war zone
location, you know, like that's

783
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:43,880
where you're dropping cards. Yeah,
get it. Absolutely so I understand her

784
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,320
justification for destroying the dam and flooding
it. I just it sucks because I'm

785
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:54,320
totally on the ape side. I
I think for the most part, Yeah,

786
00:51:54,519 --> 00:52:01,199
kill all the humans he wants to. Taylor would Taylor would be here

787
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:10,480
with Harrelson and it's like the whole
way he acted. Oh William people up

788
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,360
in real life. Yeah, you'll
you want to be him from War,

789
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,840
the guy shooting himself. That's what
we're thinking that any new listeners like man,

790
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,559
they think he's like Woody Harrelson from
War. Oh my god, No,

791
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,360
William H. Macy, That's completely
what Taylor would end up like.

792
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,960
I I wouldn't like, I would
love to live with the apes, but

793
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:38,400
definitely not with Proximous Caesars. Yeah, you would be especially just like the

794
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:44,280
Bigfoot comparisons, you'd be asking about
some distant relatives of his potential. Well,

795
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,159
the humans at first felt like Bigfoot
and cryptis I was, I was

796
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,280
digging out looking at footprints and stuff. But but the the idea here that

797
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:57,440
like I I definitely agree with Noah
that these they have a right to this

798
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:01,960
planet. I think that humanity fucked
up. Humanity had their time and whether

799
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,880
you want to call it natural selection, mother nature, however you want to

800
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,000
put it, they they have been
backed into a corner where it's just their

801
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:14,679
their time is over and this is
now the time of the Apes. And

802
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,000
that's one of the best things too, that they that's in the next movie's

803
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,280
gonna be called the Time of the
Planet of the Apes. I think it's

804
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:29,000
really awesome too from the human point
here. Now it shows how dedicated and

805
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,840
just unyielding humanity is, and I
think that's a very accurate thing, especially

806
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,119
in human history when you look at
it, because humans, I feel like,

807
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:42,280
should have died out thousands of years
ago with how many things could actually

808
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,400
have killed us and eliminated us.
But humans persevere, we adapt, We're

809
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,320
almost adaptable species on the planet,
and we don't quit. We just keep

810
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,400
going and going and unyielding, and
it's incredible. And so when you absolutely

811
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:57,559
so when you see humans in this
context, it's been multiple generations and they're

812
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,800
just still pressing on continuing activating satellites
like they're just they're not stopping, even

813
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,840
though it's like, how can you
not accept defeat in this most defeated of

814
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,440
times, They just don't. And
so I think this is really going to

815
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,840
set up a very dangerous sequel where
these humans are going to be very,

816
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:21,079
very aggressive, much more aggressive than
what we've seen before. And these humans

817
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:28,280
aren't necessarily dealing with Woody Howlson's character. He was dealing with another military group

818
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,760
that was against his beliefs, and
so they were confusing against each other.

819
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:35,119
So now you have humans here that
are all going to be able to coordinate

820
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,480
tactically with each other, and who
knows what the fallout is is going to

821
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:44,119
be is going to be from this
result of them being able to communicate with

822
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:45,559
each other. I'm very interested to
see that. Are they going to go

823
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,920
up to the surface. I don't
know, but I think that we're really

824
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,519
going to get something really compelling in
a sequel where what I thought the last

825
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,719
light of humanity was snuffed out and
wore the plant of the apes. We

826
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,519
still human, They're just fucking dummies
now, right. We got the whole

827
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,840
chase scene like, and that's where
I thought it was astronaut because like,

828
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,360
oh, they're kind of remaking that
scene right there again, right, Like

829
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,960
if you look at that scene,
it's different because she finds the apes,

830
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,840
but it's her with a bunch of
humans or getting the nets. She's out

831
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,639
smarting them, So it was kind
of remaking. You get you hear minor

832
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,280
notes of the horn and like,
you get it a little bit. So

833
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:28,760
I liked that. But that's what
I'm curious about where they do that.

834
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,000
But then she's I feel like,
I don't know what the timeline was,

835
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:36,079
but she was exposed for at least
a couple of days right to this,

836
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:38,840
So that's where it's like she's exposed
to the apes, she exposes other humans.

837
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,039
Is this the thing? Now?
Where is there anything down below that

838
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,000
they have? Is like a deterrent
to get that happen. They're still spraying

839
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,679
to close down, So clearly not, why would she not come back and

840
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,920
then be affected? Right? If
it's kind of like we've been in this

841
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,840
perfect capsule and then you go out
there, I feel like even less so,

842
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,760
like you'd have none of these antibodies
to be out like if you're just

843
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,840
if she's what twenty even she's been
twenty years old locked in this just like

844
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,159
fallout shelter, Like, yeah,
you'd have no your immune system would be

845
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,639
Yeah, so I feel like they'd
have something down there right to maybe counteract

846
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,440
some of the stuff. So well, you'll have to remind me here,

847
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,880
aren't weren't they weren't there like a
selection of humans that were just they just

848
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,840
were immune for whatever reason. It's
tough because we thought that. But then

849
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,280
at the end of war all the
like we meet that big army, right

850
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,719
but in Woody Harrelson's camp, like
he got sick, Like it felt like

851
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:31,679
to me, it felt like in
anyway, like no matter what event,

852
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,280
you're gonna get sick. Even if
you're fine right now, eventually it's going

853
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,840
to turn on you. It's gonna
be the start of the next film.

854
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,760
It's like somehow may just died.
Yeah, she died off screen exactly,

855
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,679
Malcolm. Somebody will mention it and
deleted scene. Here's a here's an interesting

856
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,400
analogy here that someone wrote so the
semi flu has probably wiped itself out since

857
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,440
it's been three hundred years. So
since it's not a real virus, humans

858
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,480
don't know how it works. So
with COVID, for example, the virus

859
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:00,920
can have a lasting impact on a
person and even after they are no longer

860
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,880
infectious. With the Simian flu,
it would have altered all the apes and

861
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,920
humans that were initially infected, and
then those traits were passed on the subsequent

862
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,199
generations without needing to be directly infected, so the virus itself would be gone

863
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:16,280
and no one else would catch it, so it would spread throughout. They

864
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:22,679
they they all waited it basically,
and so it's just genetically inherently passed on

865
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,960
hereditarily passed for Yeah, and apes
are fine because it's fine with their antibodies.

866
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,880
And as long as you don't,
like fuck one of those caveman people,

867
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,800
you're gonna be okay. Yeah,
well you might actually, but I

868
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,000
mean if you sleep with one of
the cavemen people, I mean you might

869
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:42,760
actually turn it around. They're just
getting smart. Yeah, they might have

870
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,599
a smart kid. No, but
I mean when they when those people be

871
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,000
hearing some sort of version of that
flu, like it's in their body,

872
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:52,440
right, they would be affected.
They would be affected by it. But

873
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,679
no, it's it's not like a
sexually transmitted disease in the com I just

874
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,880
been in blood. I don't mean
specifically sex. I just mean like because

875
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,800
you can still get aids about having
sex, like if blood and blood connects.

876
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Like because you're saying like the flu
died out, but it's like that

877
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:10,559
there's still things that affect those humans
or is it just like it's just because

878
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,760
I guess it's like cave Man,
right, they probably are a getting on

879
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:16,519
procreating. Is it just that that
flu settles in. But then like let's

880
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:20,440
say the two people that like lose
their voice and they're starting to be dumb,

881
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:22,760
I guess they have. I would
say it it's a mutation because it's

882
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,599
at this point it was an infection
and infected people, and then after that

883
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,199
it was just a mutation, So
it's not infecting people a non spreadable mutation.

884
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,280
Then it's yeah, it's just it's
just turn into a mutation. I

885
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,880
mean, with no new host to
infect, it's gonna dye itself out and

886
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,199
then the people that are still alive
are just gonna be like procreating and whatnot,

887
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:47,039
and that's just gonna be an inherent
hereditary mutation that just exists, but

888
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:51,920
not an infectious one. Right,
So then do you how do you think

889
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,199
they're gonna determine the humans can go
and fight, because I don't think they're

890
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:58,199
gonna have all these actors and fucking
like plastic masks. No, And that's

891
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,880
that's where they could totally change the
law or in the story and they could

892
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,360
be like, well, the Simey
and Flues evolved again, Like I mean,

893
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,800
they could write whatever they want,
so well, I don't know.

894
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,039
I hope they wouldn't write it that
way. They should make it gone so

895
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,760
the humans can go out there without
them. I I totally agree. I

896
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:15,800
think so absolutely all the precautions right
of this film they don't know. And

897
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,239
I think that's that's the kicker.
I think this could be the first I

898
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,840
guess this could be the first time
there they've come out for a long time.

899
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,639
And even the way that May was
talking to Macy's character, I really

900
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,480
like that because she's calling out like
I'm not the one helping the apes and

901
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,400
he didn't know where she was from, but it seemed almost like she was

902
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:40,119
aware of what place he came from, and she had this pre existing vibe

903
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:44,639
that she knew he was there,
knew he was helping or something like that.

904
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,199
Just this disappointment, and I'm curious
to know where that stems from.

905
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:51,280
How did she How did she know
that the apes had a talking human?

906
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,000
Because I feel like talking humans are
not I mean, they're not everywhere.

907
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,920
So I feel like, if you're
gonna know if one's around, well,

908
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,480
well, yeah, I guess because
I was gonna say, how did that

909
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:06,000
happen? But I guess what you
did? Insinuate that he had left that

910
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,559
bunker and he was out there and
stuff, because if he didn't get affected,

911
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:12,440
that wouldn't make much sense because he
couldn't have just lived out like no

912
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,239
one in our theory, he couldn't
have lived out there without being the bunker

913
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:19,719
at all. Yeah, maybe that's
a mispotential in that character, right,

914
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,119
that we would have gotten a little
bit of something out of that, like,

915
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,239
yeah, she did know him because
of that found out that someone had

916
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:31,559
left. Or maybe it's just insinuated
that there is other smart factions of humans

917
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,840
or out there that aren't just the
one camp, right, because we have

918
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,400
the underground bunker like the basically the
Colm's array that everybody's working at that may

919
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,960
goes to at the end. But
she also says that Proximus like rated her

920
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:49,599
camp, so that would have been
not that location clearly because they're still there,

921
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,639
so there's probably more of them out
there. But like, it also

922
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,920
just seems like a one in a
million thing that they have humans that talk.

923
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:02,280
So it's just something that was kind
of glossed over in the movie with

924
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,320
the William H. Macy character that
we don't really have enough time to really

925
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,440
fill him in there. But I
mean, he gets merked so quickly that

926
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:13,679
it doesn't really at least for me, Like, I don't know, it

927
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:16,239
doesn't really It's not something I was
thinking about well, like while watching it,

928
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,679
it's just like, Okay, they
have a human that talks. It

929
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,800
feels like in a video game when
you talk to somebody that's offering a side

930
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,519
quest and you accept it and then
you play forty to fifty hours of that

931
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:28,360
video game, like, oh,
right, there's that guy that need me

932
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,880
find a shoe, but I never
really did that, and you come back

933
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,719
and he's like dead. You're like, oh, I guess that's what happened

934
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,039
to him. You know, it
just feels like kind of a and I

935
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:39,039
think I think it does more for
May's character than it does for the movie

936
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:42,920
or the ape. So I don't
think it's pointless, but I think there's

937
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,000
more that could have been Niceespecially you
got a good actor like William H.

938
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,079
Macy, so it's not like,
oh, we got somebody and yet,

939
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,480
yeah, let's take our second ad
break and we'll keep talking about the kingdoms.

940
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:58,519
We'll be right back, and we're
back. I wanted to because I

941
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:02,039
mentioned the whole space thing well when
Travis was talking about before I threw Taylor

942
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:07,519
because any Sky wanted to let him
speak. But you're saying, I don't

943
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:08,519
want to put words in your mouth. Maybe I'll ask you. Were you

944
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:12,480
saying that you're like excited when they're
looking at the stars at the potential of

945
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,440
a spacecraft coming, or like what
that means or no. I just thought

946
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,800
there was them like setting us up
like her for a spacecraft though, like

947
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,400
yes and no, because remember she
when he finds that maze with him and

948
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,599
they both look right, So I
thought it was almost just her still like

949
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,000
trying to figure out, like fuck, like if I at that moment thing,

950
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:35,519
She's like, heston right, she's
landed here and she's looking at the

951
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,880
stars like, yeah, oh I'm
so fucked, like I can't get back.

952
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,119
And that's what I thought, I
said to Taylor car after the movie,

953
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:44,320
the whole red chip thing up until
she got to that base and knocked

954
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,320
that door, I thought, Oh, this could just be like it never

955
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,400
makes sense. But Mark Wahlberg,
what did you want to do? He

956
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,440
wants to get in the ship and
gets back. What was hesse want to

957
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:53,840
do? He wants to get the
ship gets back. What do Cornelis and

958
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,000
z or zero do? They get
in the ship and they go to Earth?

959
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:00,920
Like these aracters are always obsessed with, well, let's get in the

960
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,639
spaceship and get back home. So
I thought that red thing when she's riding

961
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:07,960
the horse the end, and especially
because the area was starting to look more

962
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,440
desert, like, I thought it
was gonna look like the first Ape Spooen

963
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,159
when they crashed in the water.
I thought it was gonna go over the

964
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:17,000
hill and you'd see a ship and
you go, oh shit. And that's

965
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,800
where I thought you could have her
fly away and you never have to answer

966
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,840
what this character's like. She could
go and that's the answer right up,

967
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,920
Well she left and went back in
time or whatever. Maybe she's seen Abraham

968
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,320
Lincoln, you know, and she
ends up with Mark Wahlberg's and go,

969
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,400
fuck, happen to you too?
So I just thought it was like setting

970
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:37,599
us up, like, oh,
so when it's revealed she's a space woman

971
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,119
like her looking at the stars,
there's some meaning there. But no,

972
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,639
it was just a bonding moment between
the two. So that's all I thought.

973
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,199
But it's completely gone now. I
think it's just a bonding moment in

974
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,920
him to realize that she's like cognizance, she's not an idiot, she can

975
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:53,159
reckon. She recognizes what's happening.
So so then fast forward to the end,

976
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:59,880
like the significance of them looking out
in space right like uh, Noah

977
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:04,480
and Souna I think was her name, like and them just communicating. It's

978
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,000
not so much of the spacecraft aspect. It's more so just it's not real

979
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:14,840
realizing the big the fastness get alone, Like for the humans, I get

980
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,119
it because they're communicating with each other. That's a big moment. They have

981
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:19,280
the satellites, they are communicating,
but we have Noah and Suna right,

982
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,639
like at the observation tower, he's
just trying to bang her. So he

983
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:27,280
just wants to Okay, look it
just look at these cool STI it seems

984
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,639
like emphasis on the stars, and
that's where I'm just like, what are

985
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:32,559
they trying to do here? Though, Like if someone is coming from space,

986
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,880
why does that matter to this story
at all? If Charlton Heston is

987
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,360
out there and he's coming back,
what does that do for this story?

988
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,920
Absolutely nothing, because nobody has any
tie to Charlton Heston anymore because it's like

989
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,000
four hundred years later. Yeah,
but if you were to fall that same

990
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:50,000
connuity, I think it's more so
them looking out in the story. If

991
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,039
I'm trying to get on that level, it's almost like what has to represents

992
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,800
It's now Noah really realizing not that
they're not alone, because they know they're

993
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,519
not alone, but just like the
man, did we have it wrong?

994
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,119
Like there was things greater out there? So it's like looking at the stars

995
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:06,760
and you go, hey, that's
out there, and you know they're out

996
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,880
there, but you don't really understand
them. I feel like that's how he

997
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,800
feels about the humans now where he's
grown up, his whole life with this

998
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,400
idea of what humans aka echoes are
right now, right, and now his

999
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,800
mind has been expanded when he thought
he meets May, now they know about

1000
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:23,280
there's other humans out there. So
I think it's I don't think Hessen will.

1001
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:25,840
I don't know, because Haya said
something about being said, I don't

1002
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,719
think they actually will ever do the
Hessen thing because I think that's risky.

1003
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:31,199
But even if they did, technically, if we got that, that would

1004
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:33,280
be like the apes win and they
take over, right, So that would

1005
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:38,360
be the significance of you do that
again. But they're doing the storyline here,

1006
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,480
they're doing the Hessen storyline with her
of you apes, S don't understand

1007
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,400
you were in cages and we ruled
you. So that's why I don't think

1008
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,519
they'd ever do it. It would
just be happening to another set of characters.

1009
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:51,719
So if Heston comes back, it's
literally just the Mark Wahlberg ending essentially,

1010
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,639
right. I guess by that point, Mark Wahlberg's apes were more advanced,

1011
01:05:56,719 --> 01:05:59,719
like they were kind of where we're
at right now. They ran Lincoln

1012
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,320
ones, yeah, the Abrahamley yeah
apes. Yeah. Well, and I

1013
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,760
don't think it would be Heston coming
back. I think in my mind,

1014
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:10,599
if if your lineup, it's just
that let's say technically that the humans come

1015
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,280
up and the apes are there,
the Apes win the war and they go

1016
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,480
more like Proximus is around, and
they just become like savage apes and they

1017
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:18,760
kill all humans. That's like I
think Heston, if he were to come,

1018
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,840
it's still not for like another four
hundred years, but hopefully this is

1019
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,239
like a sign where it's like battle
where it's like, oh, they find

1020
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,480
a way to coexist. I feel
like that should be the ending of this

1021
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:31,599
trilogy. I feel like you got
the next one that's really war torn,

1022
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:35,599
and the sixth movie that should be
the apes and humans coming together. And

1023
01:06:35,719 --> 01:06:40,880
then I think plant Apes can like
rest for like twenty to fifteen years,

1024
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,360
because then it's like, Okay,
what more can you do? You know,

1025
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,920
because technically they already did the human
and apes coexist, but like,

1026
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,400
let's be honest, Baalt for the
Apes wasn't a great movie, right,

1027
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,159
so it's kind of like, well, we could do that better. So

1028
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:54,079
I feel like that has to be
the endpoint. And then once you do

1029
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:57,199
that, I don't really know where
you go. I think they got two

1030
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,760
more out of this and then I
don't I don't know what else you could

1031
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,440
do the apes other than remaking the
original. I think that is a it's

1032
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,719
a tight rope. It's it's funny
too because planeteers maybe do plan the deers

1033
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:14,960
do a different animals Planet of the
Deers with flash there, guys, Rise

1034
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,320
of the Planet of the Deers with
the flashlights. Yeah, exactly the title

1035
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,719
early on before we get revealed of
kind of more so, what's going on

1036
01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:27,679
with the humans when we have nova
you know, may that can speak.

1037
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,840
I like it almost seemed like we
were going around of like Rise of the

1038
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,480
Humans of the Planet of the Apes, right, where like they're kind of

1039
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:40,800
reversing like the evolution where they're like
getting smarter again. It's it's just kind

1040
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:45,559
of how it seemed it was going
because she is she seems pretty savage,

1041
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:49,280
right, like she's she's looking she's
scavenging for food and like she's all dirty,

1042
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,199
she's looking for just warmth or whatever. She's not really talking, so

1043
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,480
it just seems like she is an
echo, right obviously you later like and

1044
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:00,960
the moment in the field too that
was shown in the trailer. I thought

1045
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,840
that was fantastic when she speaks for
the first time, calls out to Noah.

1046
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,400
I thought that was really really done
or really well done. Seen good

1047
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,159
flashback to kind of sees her right
where it's you know, not him say

1048
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,800
no, But it is funny because
she's saying no. I like she said

1049
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,760
no at first, dude, no, no, no. But it is

1050
01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:18,920
kind of a HARKing back to that
right where, and even hess and him

1051
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:24,800
speaking like I like that. Anytime
someone speaks, it's like when it's a

1052
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,800
character that we don't know, it's
like it's it's used to be a big

1053
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,600
moment. You know, it's a
sign of intelligence, right and yeah,

1054
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,920
like for these characters supposed to be
simple things, but it's never not just

1055
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:36,359
like oh, like here's a town. She's saying thank you, and then

1056
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,560
it's like, oh, that's it. Like it's this big moment where you

1057
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,680
can tell she doesn't want to talk
because she doesn't want to play that card.

1058
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:46,039
But you kind of have to because
although not all those right there about

1059
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:49,800
to just destroy it. And we
saw a lot of the like we saw

1060
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:55,079
a lot of those fist forearm attacks
from the apes and chimpanzees in this movie

1061
01:08:55,119 --> 01:09:00,119
and gorillas, So yeah, it's
a vicious move rip too. Uh know,

1062
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:02,239
his dad, That's what took him
out. So this is really what

1063
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:05,600
took him out though, right like
he got beaten on. Well we never

1064
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,479
saw actually, right like, because
we just saw him Okay, I no,

1065
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,640
his rope and went down. But
the last thing we saw of him,

1066
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,840
he was getting the fucking elbow strikes
and he ain't surviving. He probably

1067
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,880
just left him there to bleed out, you know. I assume he just

1068
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,720
tossed him off the tower because he
was on the ground, right or I

1069
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,880
guess the tower would have burnt down
anyways, So he's just all like just

1070
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,760
he's just pounded him into dust.
Yeah, I mean, speaking of the

1071
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,319
dad too, I thought that was
a really intense moment of the showdown between

1072
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:42,000
not Aldo and the father and the
Son and the Holy Ghost and that whole

1073
01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:45,920
trinity. But No, I thought
it was really touchy moments of him like

1074
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:50,359
burying his dad and just that whole
defeated this that he kind of carries with

1075
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:55,800
him the whole film and just feeling
like he's not worthy to like you know,

1076
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,560
like basically avenge his father and the
whole thing with the bird. I

1077
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,239
I just thought all that was like
ten out of ten. I absolutely love

1078
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:08,920
that whole sequence. And yeah,
just the whole evolution of Noah in this

1079
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:14,319
film. I thought that was fantastic. So yeah, evolution. So yeah,

1080
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:16,279
I said it before, I said
it jury and I'm gonna say it

1081
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:19,159
again. I think Noah is just
such a great character and they did really

1082
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:24,239
really good job. It's difficult,
right to have Caesar for the first many

1083
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,119
films and then coming into this with
a brand new one, but I think

1084
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:31,920
they really pulled off with Noah and
great performance so around smoke cap but he

1085
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,680
still did fantastic. So yeah,
I really love Noah. I love the

1086
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,000
journey and the development of this character
had and really just kind of growing and

1087
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:47,079
becoming becoming a leader and learning the
reality and the truths behind their history and

1088
01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:50,760
his relationship with Raka. The Rangu
tang Rako was my favorite. I love

1089
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:58,079
the orangutangs in these movies so much. Maurice and Raka was fanziastic. Zias

1090
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:05,159
is a character, that's for sure. There's something very interesting with with Noah,

1091
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:09,560
and I'm I'm I've been kind of
like convinced about this. I'm gonna

1092
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,880
share something with you because some people
pointed out it's just him the flashlight.

1093
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,159
So here's here's Noah. Sorry,
this is that's Caesar, that Caesar.

1094
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:24,640
So yeah, you see Caesar with
this mark right here. Yep, Okay,

1095
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,840
let me find a picture of Noah, because Noah has the same mark

1096
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,800
going on on his chest. And
people are show me that bigger one.

1097
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,600
No, show me one of the
bird tailor not this close up one because

1098
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:42,199
shadow people are saying that this is
a well, there's a there's a part

1099
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:45,279
on his chest that's got less a
lesser amount of hair. Here's another one

1100
01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:48,920
here. This this birthmark you can
see that lots too high for a nipple.

1101
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:56,359
But Caesar's got the same mark and
the same shot by what's his face

1102
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,279
and that spot or is it not
that small that he got shot? He's

1103
01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:02,239
got some great here's another shot of
Caesar there with that mark there. So

1104
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,960
this is a little less to fine, but yeah, he could be a

1105
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,079
he'd send it, you know.
The first act this movie is the same

1106
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:13,199
again, back to war. He
has the exact same storyline Caesar does with

1107
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,319
avenging a dead one, and he's
very MOPy about it. But all of

1108
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,800
them he looks the closest to Caesar
two, which I don't think is.

1109
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:26,760
I mean, all the other like
Apes and his colony are all very different

1110
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,000
looking from Caesar, and I just
feel like they're setting it up that maybe

1111
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:31,680
he is a descendant and he'll learn
that later on. And if you're wondering,

1112
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,920
why didn't they know that who Caesar
was? I some people propose the

1113
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,960
three that maybe maybe that his clan
was here, his ancestors were exiled because

1114
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,319
shit started to go really really sour. It's like, okay, we got

1115
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:46,680
to get out of here because there's
proximous Caesar's rising up. Who knows,

1116
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,880
there's could be some group that's taking
over and it's getting bad, so they

1117
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,880
just just to bounce. I don't
have a problem with that, like to

1118
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,800
me, like it being four hundred
years if it was maybe one hundred,

1119
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,760
so yeah, that's a little bit
four hundred years, Like lots can fucking

1120
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,720
chick like I that's never a problem
to me, Like, oh, why

1121
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,439
don't they know who Caesar is?
It's like fuck, like there's celebrities from

1122
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,880
like fifty years ago people wouldn't be
able to name, you know, and

1123
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,880
I know Caesar's like a big deal, but it's just like people break off

1124
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,880
they split up, like and then
there's a klan over there, like to

1125
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,720
the exact opposite right of Proximus,
they're all about Caesar. It's a like

1126
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,239
not the real Caesar, because like
Caesar wouldn't be just be going to camp

1127
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:26,039
fucking killing other apes. So like
that's to me, one of the best

1128
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:29,479
moments is when you get when the
big guys of the mass he kills someone

1129
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,640
and his first line is for Caesar, and it's like that's like this,

1130
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,319
this is exact opposite, Like that's
what I love about it, right,

1131
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:40,760
is because they've taken that, but
not like I could believe that I could,

1132
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,760
And that's why I don't think you
need that. I thought it was

1133
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:50,800
a fan like fantastic opening, like
going like starting at war immediately from him

1134
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:56,439
dying, you know, to like
the flowers fire, we're seeing rocket,

1135
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,640
we're seeing Marie Maurice. Yeah,
you're seeing poor Caesar's son just fucking have

1136
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,680
him, gonna have PTSD. The
rest was like he just looks up to

1137
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,520
his dad on fire. So I'm
sure that was great, But no,

1138
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,920
I love because I was like like
not to be like like no, not

1139
01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:13,640
a pun, but it was like
a literal passing of the torch moment to

1140
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,680
like the next generation. So I
thought I was kind of like, hey,

1141
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:18,159
this is like it is a sequel, but it's not. This is

1142
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:21,399
this is stuff important, But you
don't also need to be beholden where you

1143
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:25,359
won't understand if you haven't seen them. I thought it was like a just

1144
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:30,359
a fit because I feel like you
could watch that opening and still understand the

1145
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,079
rest of the movie. And also
if you had never seen any of them

1146
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:34,640
but this one, they don't tell
you what Caesar would have thought, so

1147
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,439
you could still think, oh,
like, what what do you think of

1148
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:41,720
the situation? So I thought that
was a like perfectly well done, well

1149
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,840
executed opening. Yeah, I think
it was very important. Like I mean,

1150
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,319
Shake came to this she hasn't seen
any of the other planet of the

1151
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:53,600
Apes before, so she was confused
on some minor things, but it like

1152
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,199
it was mostly just they talk about
the legend of Caesar and you see him

1153
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,880
at the beginning die and it's just
well, I guess he was kind of

1154
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,760
the main of the previous movies,
so uh, they did a good job

1155
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,199
at setting up in that sense.
And it's also like I feel like this

1156
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:11,439
movie is not a terrible one to
jump into if you haven't seen any of

1157
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,000
the other ones, Like you're jumping
in a war and you have each other.

1158
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,520
Yeah, oh that's that's a tough
one. But the whole like potential

1159
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:25,039
tie of Noah and Caesar, I'd
just rather it not. It's it's not

1160
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:28,760
a super pro or con if that
is the case. But it's just like

1161
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:30,840
it's almost like we're getting to the
Skywalker stuff, like why do we have

1162
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,640
to be attached to the certain bloodline? Like why can't we just live in

1163
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:39,520
the world that his like the legend
of him and his teachings is more important

1164
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,880
than what his blood is. Well, I was gonna say, I'm finding

1165
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,560
me a theory, but I don't
want some shitt in two or three of

1166
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,279
like oh you were Caesar's great great, Yeah, I don't need that.

1167
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:54,279
I'm finally being random. It's a
clan. That's why you're such a good

1168
01:15:54,399 --> 01:15:59,720
leader. It's because you were related
to Caesar. Caesar. Yeah, Force

1169
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,319
goes, Caesar comes out to talk
to him and stuff like I like,

1170
01:16:01,399 --> 01:16:04,319
how you fucked up Roximus? You
know, like William H. Macy just

1171
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:09,319
said, I wish while he's on
his knees his legs don't work right,

1172
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:14,119
so he's on his knees, his
throat, she's like collapsed and like like

1173
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,159
apparently there was a little thing at
the end of the credits with there's a

1174
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:21,880
sound effect that they played in Orangutang. Did you hear about this? No,

1175
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:26,960
Taylor, what do they do?
Well? People are speculating that Raka

1176
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:30,039
is still alive. Uh, do
you have something some proof for that?

1177
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,439
No, just that they played orangutang
sounds at the end of the movie sounds

1178
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:41,279
sound. I don't know. I
didn't stay that Longime lied to us.

1179
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,279
We're out of here. Roka is
the only orangutang in the movie. So

1180
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:47,840
that's why people think, like maybe
there's a catch here or something. Kirkle,

1181
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,199
did you think he was setting us
up for something? Because to me,

1182
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:53,520
the way his cadenes that sound exactly
like, Oh, I got the

1183
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,920
first photo of Michael Keanes Batman right
here, like his canes, I thought

1184
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,840
he's like, oh yeah, they
heard something in the credits, Like I

1185
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,079
thought it was gonna be like the
fucking like armor for Iron Man, or

1186
01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:03,039
like just the way he was sound
and I was like, oh, I

1187
01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:12,079
don't believe the ship sounds Yeah,
Charles Heston's laugh the credits, damn fucking

1188
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:17,960
ape. I'm gonna you're telling me
there's a whole camp of women all Nova.

1189
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:24,560
Yeah, I'm gonna fuck all the
Novas Nova Sadwich light my cigar?

1190
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,920
Are you fucking monkey? He would
have kicked the ship out. William made

1191
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:30,880
Macy's character, oh man, and
he would be like eight ft tall over

1192
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:40,760
him, right, just remember the
legless wonder Macy's character just tossing. We

1193
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,039
were talking about Dave krans put fucking
Hesston ship played Superman. Let's go big.

1194
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:46,680
Hessen is my god. But in
another world. One thing I want

1195
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,560
to say, because they don't have
my notes, a con for me,

1196
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,159
I can kind of get there.
I'll steal on it. Because Terror was

1197
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:55,479
like, yeah, gorillas are dumb, So I'm fine that I did not

1198
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,960
enjoy that. All the Vault goes
down. This is where all the bad

1199
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,560
apes. You can debate their bad
Proximus team. Uh Noah's team. Hell

1200
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,520
aside, we're fucking getting out here. We can't swim, We're gonna be

1201
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,960
drowned. Let's go. They're about
to go up fucking not Aldough sees them.

1202
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:15,520
Oh, and he asked them to
have a fight scene. For me,

1203
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,960
it just didn't work. I guess
you can try and do the whole

1204
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,359
gorillas are dumb, but it's just
like it's like I just didn't think he

1205
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:26,600
was dumb enough to he's gonna kill
himself and Noah to get like And here's

1206
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,479
another thing too, because I agree
that like mass we just didn't like him.

1207
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,159
I get that, but I needed
more, Like I needed to see

1208
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:36,479
this gorilla really fucking hate no or
Noah to embarrass him or do something like

1209
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,640
I just didn't think that hatred was
really there. Like for me, I

1210
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,159
could believe in the last movie Woody
Harrelson or Caesar, like Caesar did right.

1211
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:48,840
Caesar stayed back multiple times to kill
himself pretty much to get Woody Harrelson,

1212
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:54,279
I believed everything and bought why he
would do that. I wouldn't buy

1213
01:18:54,359 --> 01:18:57,840
why this gorilla would be like to
just throw his life away, like I

1214
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,840
gotta take this guy down. I'm
fine with the fight scene if they get

1215
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,800
up to the mountain, but to
me and like it's there's like a fun

1216
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,800
set piece, that's cool, but
that took me out of it. That

1217
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,199
was something in the end or the
third actress like they just wanted another fight

1218
01:19:10,279 --> 01:19:12,880
scene, and I don't think it
was needed. It took down my experience.

1219
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,119
So maybe over time i'll i'll stew
or i'll simmer on it and I'll

1220
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:19,039
see how it feels. But in
the moment, it did not feel.

1221
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,359
It didn't feel natural or like here, I'll fucking praise it. Look at

1222
01:19:23,399 --> 01:19:27,680
Avatar two. World's going to shit. But I can believe why those two

1223
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,000
on a fight right Cordage just clone
and what's his name, Sam Worthington,

1224
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:35,000
Like one killed his son, one
killed him. I buy the stakes completely

1225
01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:39,159
of Hey, these guys might drown
where they're fighting, but it's like this

1226
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:42,399
is it. They got to kill
each other. I completely buy the stake.

1227
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,720
So there's a praise for Avatar two. Didn't buy it here unfortunately.

1228
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,039
So I think, like you just
have rangutangs at the top, and then

1229
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:55,039
you have the these Apes second,
and then you have the Gorilla's last and

1230
01:19:55,399 --> 01:19:59,720
I think it just fits with the
trajectory of how they've been played intelligence.

1231
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,159
Yeah, I think it fits with
how the gorillas have been portrayed in all

1232
01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:05,920
the other Apes films, especially because
the gorillas are always just like, oh,

1233
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,399
let's go fight let's go to war. Like we saw what Aldo was

1234
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,800
the worst of them, just being
so like. So I think he just

1235
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:19,159
goes to show like this. He's
just he's rage filled. He just wants

1236
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:24,239
to fuck this guy up. This
guy like he knows who who Noah is.

1237
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,119
Noah kicked his ass a few times, has pissed him off. So

1238
01:20:27,319 --> 01:20:31,239
this as it's like a red smarter
and kick his ass, kicked his ass,

1239
01:20:31,319 --> 01:20:36,279
and Noah's standing over him like I
am the fucking king chimp. And

1240
01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:40,399
then he had him dragging on his
horse and like kicked him into the ground.

1241
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,079
So I'd say he kicked his ass
a few times he's kicked. That

1242
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:46,439
would be like that'd be like some
bully grabs your biked hand and you kick

1243
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,760
him off. He came back,
Yeah, I fucking you know that bully.

1244
01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:56,600
You know I kicked his ass,
ki ki ki kick his ass,

1245
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,399
kick his asses? You said,
yeah, kicked the ass of the grill

1246
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,359
is saying no more, that didn't
happen. I just didn't buy that they

1247
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:04,960
had a blood. He won,
he won, uped him then a few

1248
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:10,239
times with the smartness. But I
I think that's enough for how the gorilla

1249
01:21:10,279 --> 01:21:14,479
is a portrayed to definitely be pissed
off. They're not. There's no Lucas,

1250
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,720
that's for sure. Luca was was
a gem. So we'll ask because

1251
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,560
I don't want to forget where where
are bad boons? And all this?

1252
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,000
Because I made the ass show?
But where where how we got no bad

1253
01:21:24,039 --> 01:21:27,640
boons? In these weird questions.
I think it's just they're they're trying to

1254
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,720
stick to the original Planet of the
Apes, and the Planet of the Apes

1255
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:36,560
just had chimps orangutans predictions right that
we didn't even knows we have the Bonobos

1256
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:41,119
though, that's what proximates. Caesar
was, Yeah, I'm gonna make a

1257
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:44,479
prediction in five or six we're gonna
get a baboon, and five or six

1258
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,279
we're gonna get a baboon because you
gotta do some new spaceship lands. You

1259
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:51,880
could put Rafiki in there. Man, they owned the rights, Disney they

1260
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,560
own you can get the one that
I've seen the most. Is what I

1261
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,199
really want is, you know,
let's say they look up the Stars ship

1262
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:01,880
crashes and you're like, oh,
fuck, the remaking plan of the Apes.

1263
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,840
Here we go, Charlton Heston that
I'm painting you the teaser. Imagine

1264
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,479
that the ship it's you know,
it's apes. You see a ship crashing,

1265
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,960
No one's watch it crash. They
go, fuck, they're doing apes

1266
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:15,479
cockpit breaks and stuff like, oh
here we go, who did they recast?

1267
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,119
At heston? Things? Stands up
and it's a fucking Predator. And

1268
01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:24,159
that's the one I'm definitely with,
Like people saying because they own the rights,

1269
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:28,600
imagine doing a movie where the Predator
lands on the fucking Apes planet.

1270
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,199
Fuck, like, give me all
fuck man, I want to see the

1271
01:22:32,279 --> 01:22:36,199
apes humans are still there, Like
what the fuck? He just kills all

1272
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:40,520
the bunker humans, Like I just
and not even Cannon. Just give me

1273
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:45,479
a prey like movie. But they're
Apes. I fucking want that so bad

1274
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,159
because at first I'm like, well, the Predator's gonna fuck up the Apes,

1275
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:51,000
like any gunshot is just gonna kill
the the Apes. But man,

1276
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:56,079
like they're good in the trees and
oh yeah, they're fast, they're crafty,

1277
01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:02,399
especially they got the Simian intelligence rape
and hands four hands exactly a lot

1278
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:10,199
of grabbing potential. Just to comment
on the not Aldo death sequence, I

1279
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,119
was definitely like, I mean,
I feel like I'm mostly with you,

1280
01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:16,960
Travis. It seems a pretty unnecessary
thing to play the devil, to play

1281
01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:21,960
devil's advocate. I would say that
he's probably not so much just dumb to

1282
01:23:23,079 --> 01:23:26,479
do that. It's more so he's
just like pure loyal to Proximus. And

1283
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,119
this is Proximus's main threat right now, so I'm gonna it doesn't matter about

1284
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:33,039
my life. I'm gonna take out
Proximus's main threat and then he can,

1285
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,399
you know, win the war after
this. So I feel like that's my

1286
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:43,279
way to kind of allow like the
acceptance of that. But now you're right,

1287
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,119
it seemed pretty unnecessary, Like it
seemed like he could just kick the

1288
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:48,560
shit out of Noah once he makes
it to the top, right, or

1289
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:53,119
maybe gorillas just aren't really good climbers, and like he knew that he wasn't

1290
01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:55,279
gonna be able to get out of
there. I don't know. I've never

1291
01:23:55,319 --> 01:23:59,119
seen a gorilla climb a tree before, I don't think, So maybe that's

1292
01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:01,680
the thing taking it down with If
I'm gonna die, You're gonna die,

1293
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,880
you know, so exactly, And
again it wasn't a big comment. There

1294
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:11,600
was a moment that sounded very when
yeah, when he left his clan spot,

1295
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,479
it sounded like yeah, and I
was like, you're fucking right.

1296
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,279
That sounded like Hans Zimmer was getting
that Orchestral ready drink up apes. Me.

1297
01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:26,600
Oh but yeah, And like I
said, it's probably just because,

1298
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,079
like we say that, right when
things are great, there's some things you

1299
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:31,239
kind of let slide go. I
didn't like that, but whatever. But

1300
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:34,640
when I was already like had some
issues with the third act and then this

1301
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,439
happened, I was like, okay, and same thing. I was really

1302
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:42,079
worried about the fight with Proxma and
then then she the apes turned against them.

1303
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:45,560
But I was like, I don't
buy that they're just gonna because at

1304
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,800
first I thought it was just gonna
be Noah, he's gonna ask and he's

1305
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,479
just gonna the birds turn on him
and the crowd cheer. But it's like

1306
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:56,520
there's a fucking like fifty plus a
few apes like trust me, You're like,

1307
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,399
you guys can kick the ship out
of problem. Like I wasn't buying

1308
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:00,880
that, but then I I was
happy they started to cheer and they got

1309
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,920
fired up, so I was happy
it made that turn. But I was

1310
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,560
really worried they're just gonna, like, well, I hope no one makes

1311
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,159
it out and I was like,
well, I don't give a shit about

1312
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:12,079
any of these apes now because they're
just fucking letting Noah die, you know,

1313
01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:15,720
but no they uh, they all
turn around and yeah, those birds

1314
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,279
sucking up. I don't think Proximus
for sure dead either, because the in

1315
01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:23,399
chow body there, there's a long
fall. But like that, I think

1316
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,960
it's almost like how we said with
Coba when they talked about with three,

1317
01:25:27,079 --> 01:25:29,439
and we're like, yeah, that
could have been cool, but you did

1318
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,600
everything you could. That's where the
Proximus like, I don't think you've done

1319
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,279
everything you could with them. I
think there's more meat on the bone there

1320
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:39,239
with that character, and maybe i'd
like to see that back. Maybe then

1321
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:41,960
you get close to the Dawn territory
I was gonna see maybe like you have

1322
01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:45,880
the humans and apes coming together,
but Proximus fuck set up. But that's

1323
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,439
where you gotta be careful with the
part five now, is if they're gonna

1324
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,279
do something where it's like humans and
apes are getting together and they break up,

1325
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,199
you can't make it be like another
ape like doing a setup. Right.

1326
01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:59,359
So that's where already I'm like,
Okay, maybe Proximus would like because

1327
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:01,199
Proximus would just forced the bad ape
things. So I really don't know,

1328
01:26:01,279 --> 01:26:06,000
but I'm I think there's still chance
he had come back, So yeah,

1329
01:26:06,039 --> 01:26:11,680
I'm with you. I don't think
it was definitive finish to him. And

1330
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:15,199
I mean, if he's alive,
no reason Rock I can't still be alive.

1331
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,960
You know. I definitely comment when
Taylor brought it up at the end

1332
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:23,039
with the post credit scene, but
I was bummed that we didn't get any

1333
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:27,479
resolution there at least like a confirmation
of his body or he came back.

1334
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,840
I was really expecting him to come
back, just because he gets swept away.

1335
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,159
You know. You can say apes
can't really swim, but the confirmation

1336
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,319
of the body you want, you
want to show him on the floor,

1337
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:40,920
like I'll bloat it up, like
yeah, like a beached whale, just

1338
01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:46,439
fucking thousands. I don't like that. No, he it just seemed like

1339
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:51,159
we had Maybe I'm just so used
to having like Maurice around and like you

1340
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:56,399
always have that one orangutang that everybody
loves with the crew, and like Maurice

1341
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,920
didn't die, you know, like
at least of natural or of unnatural cause.

1342
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:03,760
Is so I just I don't know
I really like Raka. We we

1343
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,640
didn't really talk about him too much, but like, maybe I'll just transition

1344
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,319
to that right now. I thought
he was fantastic, Travis. You mentioned

1345
01:27:10,359 --> 01:27:14,159
this earlier about just the whole legend
of what Caesar was. I just loved

1346
01:27:14,199 --> 01:27:17,840
his whole lessons that he was giving
to Noah here and uh, just the

1347
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:23,720
whole idea that we live in an
era that not everyone actually knows who Caesar

1348
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:28,119
is. Because the first three movies, everyone that's an ape knows who Caesar

1349
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,119
is, because Caesar's still alive and
he is like the leader of all the

1350
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:34,479
apes, and he is the one
that gave them the Simeon intelligence, right,

1351
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,159
Like he's the one that's snuck it
out of the lap. So I

1352
01:27:38,199 --> 01:27:41,239
guess it wasn't really a sneak.
It was pretty fucking bang down the doors

1353
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:45,680
and do it. He's pretty secretive
actually, but he's snuck in the U

1354
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,720
Will Rodvin's house, remember, So
yeah, and then he did the whole

1355
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,920
Yeah, we'll just checked on his
girlfriend's. I think a good example here

1356
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,039
too is with War, you have
bad ape who has no idea who Caesar

1357
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:03,760
is. I think that goes to
show these are their colonies that have formed.

1358
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,159
These are clans that are formed that
have no idea who Caesar is.

1359
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:12,560
And that's the other thing too.
Caesar's clan is they're big on like the

1360
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,560
sign language, and I like that
that was carried over inherently in Noah's clan,

1361
01:28:17,039 --> 01:28:20,079
whereas bad Ape just talks. You
didn't see I don't think you saw

1362
01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:26,319
any signing with Proximus Caesar. They
were he was just using Caesar's story as

1363
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,600
just his own abults and hand gestures
just to like emphasize things, but not

1364
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,359
necessarily like how exercise it. Yeah, exactly, So that's that's made It's

1365
01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:40,199
another inherent thing that's passed down because
maybe he's a descendant who knows you will

1366
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:45,079
love the meta Chlorians in his blood
Bress. Yeah, No, I don't

1367
01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:48,199
go much for Avan. Then you
guys are right standout character, great love

1368
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:53,279
the chemistry. I'm kind of fine
if he's dead because I feel like that's

1369
01:28:53,359 --> 01:28:56,680
some of the best things about the
Aprills. We talked about that, like

1370
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,880
when you lose people, you lose
them, you know, like it's like

1371
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,199
a like a Sometimes, especially I'd
say the Modern trilogy is very depressing at

1372
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:06,680
times, So I like the freakout
or the fake outs. But I just

1373
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:11,520
feel like, especially there's like a
little bit of a time jump. I'm

1374
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,079
not opposed to it. I think
it would have to be how it's done.

1375
01:29:14,199 --> 01:29:16,239
I do like the character, so
it wouldn't be like, oh fuck,

1376
01:29:16,279 --> 01:29:19,279
they brought him back. But at
the same time, it's like that

1377
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:25,279
could be good going forward for May
to be like this monkey is ape Iranutang

1378
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,279
when she's talking to humans, literally
gave his life for me, and that

1379
01:29:28,399 --> 01:29:30,680
if he's alive, not that he
didn't do the sacrifice, but I feel

1380
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,920
like it has that much more weight
for that character now of I would be

1381
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:39,479
dead and you guys would not have
communications with anybody if this Orangutang didn't save

1382
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,520
me, if he didn't kill himself
and he didn't have to do that,

1383
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,680
he didn't have to do like he
might had a better He would have had

1384
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,319
a better shot living than her,
because they probably would have just put him

1385
01:29:47,319 --> 01:29:50,079
in the camp right and worked and
he could have busted out, but he

1386
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:55,479
decided to swap places with her.
So that's where I think maybe I lean

1387
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,319
on the side of him staying dead. So for May, it's I've met

1388
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,720
apes at will kill themselves to just
save me and they can't. We So

1389
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,359
that moment in the next one when
they got a fucking firing squad on all

1390
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:10,840
these monkeys, and May is like, should I just let them kill these

1391
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,039
monkeys? That could be some of
your reflects on of Like, like,

1392
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:15,840
no, I can't. So that's
where I lean to maybe he should stay

1393
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:20,920
dead for May as a character to
grow. Yeah, I think you mentioned

1394
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:26,279
that right now makes me think that
maybe they should have had more of an

1395
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:31,199
emphasis in that, like on that
in the movie of just May like feeling

1396
01:30:31,279 --> 01:30:34,199
grateful that Rocky did that because he
did not have to do that, and

1397
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:38,199
that is something that he just you
know, he puts someone else above him

1398
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:41,439
and not even someone of his own
race, like it, like it is

1399
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:46,159
a really big thing, especially him
just pretty much dying for what Caesar believed

1400
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:49,479
in right that, like it is
potential to have humans and apes living together

1401
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:55,800
and being cooperative. So I loved
it from Rocca's side, But like,

1402
01:30:56,039 --> 01:30:58,199
now that you mentioned that, it's
like, oh, maybe I see the

1403
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:00,960
movie a little bit less that they
didn't really have a lot of emphasis on

1404
01:31:00,039 --> 01:31:04,640
that, because I feel like initially
she kind of is like shocked obviously when

1405
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,960
RockA dies, like she is like, oh my god, he's actually gone.

1406
01:31:09,039 --> 01:31:13,800
But there's no like wait where she's
staying up at night because she's all

1407
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:18,199
tortured at the fact that that Roka
died because of her. But also maybe

1408
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,039
you know, to play my own
devil's advocate in that sense, maybe it's

1409
01:31:21,119 --> 01:31:24,720
because she has a goal, she
has a set goal. She doesn't really

1410
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:29,039
necessarily care if apes die. She
has to get this book to you know,

1411
01:31:29,159 --> 01:31:32,840
air quote book so to survive,
like to get her race to survive,

1412
01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:35,600
and to the extent she doesn't,
right because she flooed that thing knowing

1413
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,359
that apes are probably gonna die,
right, So maybe that's something she'll sit

1414
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,640
on. But uh, yeah,
they could refer to it. But I

1415
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,000
agree you could have done more at
that the same way, like I said,

1416
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,359
I wish they did more with Noah's
dad being dead because I felt like

1417
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,800
that was a big plot point that
they didn't follow up on. But both

1418
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,600
those points, I feel like they
could bring them back in the sequel.

1419
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:59,039
And maybe it's a dawn situation where
this just builds like this set the platform,

1420
01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:00,560
and then the sequel for it gets
to be like just really fucking,

1421
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,159
really good because now you know all
the players. Not that this wasn't really

1422
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:05,640
good, but it's just like with
Dawn, they didn't have to do a

1423
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,920
bunch of setup, right, you
know who Caesar was, and then you

1424
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,600
got you knew who fucking Cooba was, right, New Rocket was like,

1425
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,039
you knew these characters already, so
now with these two and the other people,

1426
01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:21,119
you'll know. So that was pent
anything that we haven't covered that you

1427
01:32:21,119 --> 01:32:26,319
guys want to cover. I loved
how this started. I love seeing a

1428
01:32:26,399 --> 01:32:30,479
little tiny fallout scene with our familiar
characters and just them giving I don't know

1429
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,720
if you guys highlighted this when I
was, oh, maybe you're away okay,

1430
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:38,079
I might have had my head turned. I think you had about the

1431
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:41,079
Caesar like epilogue. Yeah, yeah, I love that. That was That

1432
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:45,319
was just really really unexpected and really
really nice. So do you think they

1433
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:49,319
get the mocap free version where they
just like the actor on fire? And

1434
01:32:51,880 --> 01:33:05,279
that's why I needs they were fine
like Noah's friends? Yeah, no,

1435
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:11,720
soon it was good. I I
really love the the moment with uh what

1436
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,199
was his name? Anaya? Uh? Like the like the third friend initially

1437
01:33:15,239 --> 01:33:18,479
when he's like super scared and he
doesn't want to go I again, like

1438
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:24,119
I just love the emphasis that Proximus
had him under his thumb, right,

1439
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:27,800
and like, yeah it was I
also just kind of took it that like

1440
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:31,119
he represents the the apes that are
not just in the Eagle Klan, but

1441
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:36,000
all the apes under Proximist's control,
and like how you get that effect right,

1442
01:33:36,079 --> 01:33:40,960
where like we have this resistance forming, but there would be ones even

1443
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,119
though it benefit them to win that
resist like that win that fight under the

1444
01:33:44,199 --> 01:33:47,000
resistance. It's just what if we
don't win and then he's just gonna kill

1445
01:33:47,079 --> 01:33:50,760
us or like punish us even further. In war, right, they were

1446
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,359
the same way the reason that's why
they went with the humans just because they

1447
01:33:54,399 --> 01:34:00,359
didn't want to die Donkeys in war
like gorillas, remember the don Like oh

1448
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,880
right, the same thing, like
real life or with donkeys. I don't

1449
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,600
know what the hell are they're gonna
be in the sequel the Deer Planet the

1450
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:11,039
Deer, They're gonna be planning of
the donkeys, and we're just gonna planning

1451
01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:15,319
the donkeys with the flashlights. Yeah, are you a deer? Are you

1452
01:34:15,399 --> 01:34:20,960
a donkey? What are you coming
this summer? I really really love the

1453
01:34:21,039 --> 01:34:26,640
moment when uh, just the more
rocous stuff when they were going through the

1454
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,640
airport and they're just like what is
this And it's like, I don't know.

1455
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,319
I think it's just where they kind
of assembled, and you know,

1456
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:35,279
like it's just was really cool,
especially for through Noah's eyes to see like

1457
01:34:35,359 --> 01:34:40,399
an image of a human, you
know, like dressed up and like just

1458
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,079
like what even is this? Like
this doesn't make any sense and it would

1459
01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:45,640
make no sense when all you see
the echoes of what you have seen them.

1460
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,720
They're dirty, they have no in
their outfits, and you see this

1461
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,439
like even to the no it's not
like, oh, he's well kept,

1462
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,600
because it's like you didn't even know
what a fucking suit it is either,

1463
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,399
So it's not like, oh this
is like a it's it must just be

1464
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,239
such a weird image to him.
But all all that airport stuff is top

1465
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:05,319
tier stuff. And like they just
did such an emphasis of like having the

1466
01:35:05,399 --> 01:35:10,199
viewer see it through Noah's eyes and
him just really being puzzled, like it

1467
01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:14,359
is like you're seeing Caveman, you
know, drive drive a car or something

1468
01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:17,800
like it was just so perplexed,
you know, shout out to Nova.

1469
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:26,000
I love the sequence and Rocas just
like call her Nova. I was talking

1470
01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:28,560
to you know, Patren Tyler earlier, and he was just he was saying,

1471
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,239
like, oh, are they gonna
fucking call him nova because they always

1472
01:35:31,319 --> 01:35:34,600
called like nova. They're just obsessed
with this name. But then he drops

1473
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,560
the funny line of like, well, just like they're all called Nova.

1474
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,600
We don't know what to do with
Caesar, but we just called that.

1475
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,600
And I love that because that remember
when we talked about with war and Nova,

1476
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,359
Like, oh, that's another sign
that it's not the same timeline.

1477
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,560
Now you can just sell well everybody
gets called Nova again. So I was

1478
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,640
like, Okay, they kind of
were bounced back a little there. So

1479
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,119
No, I thought that was a
good joke, which you could clearly see

1480
01:35:58,119 --> 01:36:00,359
in the theater. Who had who
was a fan of the original plan apes

1481
01:36:00,359 --> 01:36:03,000
and who wasn't, Because I feel
like half fartier laughed and then other half

1482
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:06,159
was like, I don't know,
why is this funny? Fucking losers?

1483
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:12,199
You know, Yeah she didn't laugh. Yeah. When they were doing like

1484
01:36:12,319 --> 01:36:15,319
the tall climb to get the eggs
and the early portions, man, I

1485
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,600
was just just thinking of Pandora and
when they're going to get their their flying

1486
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:24,199
mouths, the pandoris, the water
like and you're right with the eggs,

1487
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:28,800
tons of that. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, I don't think

1488
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:33,119
I have any other notes that I
reminded myself to write down, So I

1489
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:36,560
think I'm out. Yeah. No, what I was gonna say is we

1490
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:41,319
can just answers quickly because they don't
want to forget. Clay put a question

1491
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,159
on for the newscast. I said, I'd save it for this one,

1492
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:45,800
and I don't want to forget it
because just in case rankings, you know,

1493
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,760
you know, all the weast goes, we get tired, we get

1494
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:53,560
stuff. I know time might be
tired right now. But allegedly Westball's not

1495
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:57,000
super interested in doing the whole trilogy
to Apes, as you just completed another

1496
01:36:57,079 --> 01:37:00,159
trilogy with Maids Runner. If he
does not return, who would you like

1497
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:04,399
to see twentieth Century Fox or twenty
Century Studios get to co write Slash directed?

1498
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,960
I think for me, like it's
a cop out answer, like just

1499
01:37:10,039 --> 01:37:13,439
to say, like who's right for
the jaw? But like none of the

1500
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:17,000
people that have directed Apes so far
are people Like when Matt Reeves took over

1501
01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:19,880
Rubert Wyatt, I didn't know who
Rubert Wyret was I'd have to look at

1502
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,199
and see what he did before apes, but I didn't know him and Matt

1503
01:37:24,199 --> 01:37:26,920
Reeves took over. He was just
the Cloverfield guy. It's like, okay,

1504
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,199
cool enough, same thing as Wes
Ball. It's like, oh,

1505
01:37:29,279 --> 01:37:31,399
he's the Maze Runner guy. And
even for May's Runner, like I feel

1506
01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:33,640
like I hear mixed things from people
that go, oh, I like to

1507
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,920
to like, oh, it's mid
So I guess that's all you'd say is

1508
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:42,720
probably someone in some like you look
at reevesaid Cloverfield, west Ball had Maze

1509
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:47,159
Runner, someone that has like a
one film franchise, not complete franchise,

1510
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:50,479
but just something like like something on
a bigger scale. So I really don't

1511
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:54,640
know. Unfortunately, not unfortunately,
it's good for Jurassic World. But like

1512
01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:58,920
if anyone it would have been,
like uh, Gareth Edwards, I think

1513
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,319
he would have been a good spot, like he would have been someone because

1514
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:04,319
if you say it to co write
and co direct, who knows. Because

1515
01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:06,880
like Rogue one, I don't think
it was the strongest versus motions, but

1516
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:11,520
I liked Creator and I think I
had some good emotions and I think even

1517
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,840
Creator is dealing with some of those
issues right of like AI and human,

1518
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,159
but you could swap some of that
with the ape and stuff. So that's

1519
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:21,239
who I would pick. But honestly, so far, I've trusted them,

1520
01:38:21,279 --> 01:38:24,760
and west Ball was the test for
me. When I heard the Maize Runner

1521
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:28,319
guy, I was like, okay, and that's where like we talked about

1522
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:31,439
today in the discord check or discord
because there's like rumored X Men writers and

1523
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:33,760
I was like, I don't really
like these choices, but like the super

1524
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:39,359
Bad Mike's point is anything can change
in time or the structure or the studio.

1525
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,119
Like west Ball, I'm probably gonna
check out some of those Maze Runners.

1526
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:45,000
I had no interest, but I
want to see more of his stuff

1527
01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:47,399
now that I've seen this in Zelda. But from what I've seen and talked

1528
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:51,279
to no one, I've never been
anyone what all Maze Runner is the shit?

1529
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:55,119
Right, It's always just yeah,
it's good. So that's where you

1530
01:38:55,159 --> 01:38:58,079
can get someone to me, this
is like a big step up for him.

1531
01:38:58,079 --> 01:39:00,960
But yeah, i'd say like a
Gareth Edwards, one that has some

1532
01:39:00,199 --> 01:39:04,720
franchise experience, but maybe it's not
super said, maybe Edwards would be too

1533
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:09,720
expensive, but yeah, just somebody
that's done one thing, maybe like before

1534
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:14,399
she did the Marvels unfortunately, like
uh uh needed Acosta, but she's doing

1535
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,079
twenty eight days later so or twenty
years later the sequel. So I think

1536
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,760
a lot of them have all my
picks are kind of on things. But

1537
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:25,640
that's what I would have thought.
You guys, got anybody? I am

1538
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:30,439
so bad with these like director choices. I was quickly trying to google some

1539
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:35,760
people I don't even know, just
to throw a name, because I I

1540
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:43,319
thought he was fucking mall from uh
from Inception there for a second. Yeah,

1541
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,520
I don't know, Oh, Sarah
Christopher McCrory, I don't even know

1542
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:54,680
who in there? Mission possible,
okay, and some there's some mostly action

1543
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:58,239
I guess in there. It's funny
because these movies are action movies, but

1544
01:39:58,399 --> 01:40:02,439
like I just see them kind of
as a drama or like a mostly drama.

1545
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:06,520
I guess actions like third down the
line, it's like drama like pull

1546
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:14,000
like social issues and then action,
you know, get Yeah, that's the

1547
01:40:14,039 --> 01:40:15,359
thing though. Does Tom Cruise play
a human or a monkey? You know,

1548
01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:21,439
I'd love to have to be a
human. I would love him to

1549
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:25,840
play a monkey. It'd be great, but yeah, he he would,

1550
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:29,520
he could be Rafiki. I feel
like if he's if he's, if he's

1551
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:33,239
an ape, he has to be
super separate from it. Probably cap it's

1552
01:40:33,279 --> 01:40:39,399
like a human ass dong hanging around
what I've said as I I'll stand by

1553
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:43,319
it until he proves me wrong he
does something else. Collateral is his best

1554
01:40:43,399 --> 01:40:45,479
role he's ever done. That's where
he's a villain. If we want some

1555
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:50,560
piece of ship human that's down underground, give me a quarry directing a villain

1556
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:55,560
tom Cruise against the apes. Fuck
yeah, I'd be that'd be like a

1557
01:40:56,399 --> 01:41:00,079
better Woody Harrelson. Yeah. And
the good thing is with Tommy, like,

1558
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:01,760
oh, well you're really a hero
because like you're fighting for the humans,

1559
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,439
but you know, doing it for
a terrible get some like Tropic Thunder

1560
01:41:06,399 --> 01:41:13,560
what's his name? Less? Gross? Yeah, fuck you monkeys. H

1561
01:41:14,119 --> 01:41:16,439
Taylor, any thoughts, any person
out there you thought could make a good

1562
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,239
director of Westball, because also he's
the X and it sounds like he's not

1563
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:24,439
doing uh maybe he'll do the sequel, but yeah, he did kind of

1564
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,800
infer that maybe he won't do the
whole thing, so it might be like

1565
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,560
Rupert Whitt where he did rise and
then he bounced off and Matt Reeves finished

1566
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,199
it off. So I mean you
said it, Kirk. James Cameron would

1567
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:38,479
be perfect. He's gonna leave his
ten Avatar movies and go make an as

1568
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:43,600
movie. Do them, you know, to do them. Fuck? They

1569
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,880
could also cross over, right,
that's technically they could cross over. Yeah,

1570
01:41:47,399 --> 01:41:50,800
get Pandora in there something. Yeah, that's where the ship takes him.

1571
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:56,520
He lands on Earth and you're not
Earth. You're on Pandora the koritch

1572
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,319
man like Tom Cruise. I don't
even think it's out of the realm of

1573
01:42:00,359 --> 01:42:03,640
possibility. I feel like you could
get that actor in these apes movie playing

1574
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:09,239
basically the Tom Cruise asshole that you
just pitched like. He could play an

1575
01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:11,880
ape to. I could see him
put on the mo cap. It's exactly

1576
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,039
like he starts as a human.
Next movie, he's like a virtual.

1577
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:19,119
He did what am I saying?
Put on the cap? He did put

1578
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:23,680
on the mocap. He was fucking
cap that whole movie number two exactly.

1579
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:28,800
Man, gravity this gravity will make
you weak or saw whatever the fuck the

1580
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:32,840
line is anyone else than James Cameron
or that's your that's your that's my pick.

1581
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,279
I'm going with it. There you
go. I hope you're Clay.

1582
01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:39,920
You let us know you Lessen on
Discord other patrons and Discord people, let

1583
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:45,880
us know, Kirkland. What is
your final score for Kingdom of the Planet

1584
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:49,880
of the Apes. Yeah, so
my first. I think I'm gonna start

1585
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:54,000
with saying it's my first score because
I definitely think this is one that can

1586
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:59,039
really fluctuate on on multiple No,
I'm not gonna say, you know,

1587
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:03,600
an Asterix place, but just for
my first Intel Shore review, I think

1588
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:10,640
I'm gonna go. I think eight
point five right now. I feel like

1589
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:15,159
it's maybe a little bit too high, just because of how much issues I

1590
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:17,159
have with just the pacing of that
third act. But I think they did

1591
01:43:17,239 --> 01:43:20,680
such a great job of just establishing
where the world is here. I really

1592
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:25,720
really loved our heroes and our characters. I thought Freya Allen, I think

1593
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:30,439
that's her name, you know,
the actress that played May. I thought

1594
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:33,720
she was fantastic as the role that
she was in, and I forgot to

1595
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:38,000
mention it actually when we were talking
about her. But because she is like

1596
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:42,239
English, she's playing like she kind
of has a classic North American and American

1597
01:43:42,279 --> 01:43:45,680
accent. In this, but there's
definitely moments when I could hear her her

1598
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,119
native tongue coming out, when she
had emphasize certain words. I feel like

1599
01:43:48,119 --> 01:43:50,800
I wouldn't have noticed it if I
didn't see The Witcher, just because she

1600
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:55,039
had like she talks like that in
The Witcher. But no, I thought

1601
01:43:55,039 --> 01:43:59,399
she was great. I liked proximates
Caesar for at least his usage there,

1602
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,920
and the movie looked beautiful, like
we never really talk about just how they

1603
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:08,039
look, but yeah, you feel
at any point. So it still wasn't

1604
01:44:08,039 --> 01:44:12,560
as good as War and Down,
though I felt like if there was Rise

1605
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,479
and this was I think at times, but I don't think there's any eight

1606
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:19,199
visuals that looked Proxima looks good and
what was his name, Radica right like

1607
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:23,319
they looked rock. I think they
were like the highest, but there were

1608
01:44:23,359 --> 01:44:27,439
still times in Dawn and War felt
this looks like a real fucking monkey where

1609
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,800
I still feel like they never there
was still like a little gloss on them.

1610
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,960
I feel like it was closer to
Rise for me than that. It's

1611
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,439
still not bad, still better than
Rise, but there was I don't know

1612
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:40,479
if they ever got the heights of
those other two. I didn't see it

1613
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,760
lesser than but this was also the
first one that I'd seen in theaters,

1614
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:45,119
so maybe it was just like to
see it on the big screen. It

1615
01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:49,600
was just an experience because you've you've
probably seen all those other ones in theaters,

1616
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,760
eh I did, Yes, Yeah, so there you go. But

1617
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:57,479
yeah, no, I I really
really enjoy this and it was good enough

1618
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,199
that the pacing issues I had didn't
affect it too much. I'm still a

1619
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:03,720
little yeah, it could have been
better like it like, I think the

1620
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,640
fact that it is eight point five
and for the first two acts I thought

1621
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,479
it was gonna be a ten ten
out of ten is a big disappointment because

1622
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:12,600
that is a pretty big drop off, like a full point and a half

1623
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,359
just for that reason. But no, yeah, it was. It was

1624
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:19,960
fantastic. It was good little cap
off to the retro and very much looking

1625
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:23,960
forward to see where the story goes. Yeah, yeah, no, I

1626
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,880
think I'm the exact same. I've
gone back and forth between like a eight

1627
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:30,359
point five and a nine. It's
it's tough, so like it would never

1628
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,520
be. I don't think we would
ever get as highs like a nine point

1629
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,079
five or ten. I think I
do have issues that no matter what when

1630
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:40,319
I rewatch, and they're not gonna
change. I think they're They're strong,

1631
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,920
you know, errors or flaws,
but not as strong as sense of like

1632
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:46,880
that's a flaw. I don't think
it works, not in the sense of

1633
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,800
this is really bad. But no, I think overall was great. I

1634
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:53,520
think they did. I think the
thing that we also didn't talk about is

1635
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,199
like, I guess War is a
mixed one, but still just that whole

1636
01:45:57,279 --> 01:46:01,880
trilogy is hailed as in high regard. They could easily drop a ball majorly

1637
01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:04,960
right, and even then it's not
Reason is not Riot, but it's also

1638
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:08,399
not Circus, and Circus had a
big deal to do with that, right,

1639
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,319
And hopefully he can bring some of
that to goll because I didn't see

1640
01:46:11,319 --> 01:46:13,600
any of that and vent I'm out
there be cardage, so I hope that

1641
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,079
can happen. But this why in
this route they carried like I said,

1642
01:46:17,279 --> 01:46:20,600
if it's a torch passing, they
carried it well. So I think I'm

1643
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:25,399
like an eight point five. I
don't know, I had some like I

1644
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:28,680
said at eight point five nine,
it's somewhere I kind of I'm literally rocking

1645
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,319
back and forth. I guess I
can cheat and say right now, I'll

1646
01:46:30,319 --> 01:46:32,560
be an eight point seventy five.
I'll go in the middle, and I

1647
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:36,960
think a second rewatch will solidify it. Plus talking with other people to see

1648
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:40,239
you know, made and pros constants. Maybe there's more stuff like oh that

1649
01:46:40,279 --> 01:46:42,800
didn't really work or I see a
different side. But see, I'll go

1650
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,920
like an eight point seventy five.
So I don't know if it's I don't

1651
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,479
know if it's in my top five. I don't know it's it's closed into

1652
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:50,560
the top ten though for this year, and I'm happy. Though that's the

1653
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:55,199
same thing of like we've gotten so
many great apes movies, even just getting

1654
01:46:55,279 --> 01:46:58,680
Dawn. I don't expect anyone to
be ever as good as Dawn again,

1655
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,000
because that to me is like a
like a masterpiece for sci fi stuff.

1656
01:47:01,279 --> 01:47:03,640
So for me, it's just like
if I get another great to good ages

1657
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:09,039
movie, I'm happy, you know
with this is so far from Beneath and

1658
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:13,640
Battle and you know a couple other
like the twenty two thousand and one one,

1659
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:15,720
Like there's so many we talked about
where it's like, oh, yeah,

1660
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,159
this was very fun for what it
was, but boys, their issues.

1661
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:20,840
I don't have this. This is
like kay, wasn't the greatness of

1662
01:47:21,039 --> 01:47:27,079
some of the Reeves ones, but
still pretty damn good. So mister Field

1663
01:47:27,319 --> 01:47:31,279
closes off. Yeah, I think
everything we've talked about, I think it

1664
01:47:31,359 --> 01:47:34,840
really hits home. I think we
brought up some good points. And for

1665
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:38,720
me, this this movie, it
just it stands. I love this.

1666
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,479
It's a ten out of ten for
me. This is a fantastic world.

1667
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:46,640
I love being in a familiar setting
with a new story and new characters to

1668
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:54,399
explore and their their developments. I
think that they they did a lot of

1669
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:58,439
really really wonderful things with the way
they told this story and the motivations for

1670
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:02,760
the characters, and getting to see
the tribulations as well. It just sets

1671
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:09,640
up a really interesting new storyline with
new films that are really eager to watch

1672
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:14,079
and just to learn about this this
new world that exists generations after war.

1673
01:48:14,199 --> 01:48:17,359
While this film definitely pulls for me, it pulls things from a variety of

1674
01:48:17,399 --> 01:48:20,880
different apes movies, I think it
still does a good job at trying to

1675
01:48:21,039 --> 01:48:26,359
conform and shape them into being its
own identity. So this is one that

1676
01:48:26,359 --> 01:48:29,880
I'm definitely gonna be watching many a
time. I was thinking eventually I would

1677
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:34,359
buy the plan of the Apes trilogy. But now I'm not even gonna buy

1678
01:48:34,399 --> 01:48:38,039
it now when it's a quadrilogy because
if we get that next film and that

1679
01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:40,960
next film, then I gotta wait
for like the six Ology bundle, like

1680
01:48:41,039 --> 01:48:43,520
the Resident Evil movies. So yeah, there's gonna be a big box set.

1681
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:45,880
I don't know. I hope there's
some neat steal books that'd be pretty

1682
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:49,800
cool. Sweet comes in like a
cage or something too, Like what kind

1683
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:57,000
of marketing can they get crazy with? That'd be pretty wild. Just James

1684
01:48:57,039 --> 01:49:08,000
Franco's house from the movie Rise already
forgot will not Norman, That's that's sorry,

1685
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:17,800
Norman Rodman aka Norman my name is
Norman Rodman Osborne something of myself like

1686
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:23,000
the real man. And yeah,
or you just wait, get the whole

1687
01:49:23,079 --> 01:49:26,399
pack to maybe they'll make every single
Apes ever made. And you just got

1688
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:30,960
to happen right for the Bond for
the old Bond movies, and there's still

1689
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:33,520
since then been new ones. That's
the least got to be like a two

1690
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,479
hunred dollars edition. I'd be down
for that. Yeah, well that would

1691
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:41,520
be wonderful. Well, we're not
done with Apes yet. We've talked about

1692
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,159
the death. But next week we
will do a ranking episode to end it

1693
01:49:44,279 --> 01:49:45,760
off, and then we'll wait until
we get some more apes and see what

1694
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,640
happens there. But yes, it
was a fun journey. Very definitely one

1695
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:50,920
of my favorite retros. It was
good to do all these great that we

1696
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:55,439
got this and great that overall were
positive. And it kind of sucks when

1697
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:59,960
we do retros and it leads up
to like a man that's always like,

1698
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:01,680
oh, you know, it's kind
of flating, but this is like,

1699
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,960
I'm a satisfied end with this,
and now they're there. Now anytime about

1700
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:09,000
apes, you can go, get
back and check. We've talked about every

1701
01:50:09,079 --> 01:50:12,920
single one. We'll be back next
week to rank some apes, see where

1702
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:16,039
that all lies. And I will
not be boring. No, although no,