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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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here is your host, DJ Leaves. It is a brand new year,

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happy twenty twenty four, and we
are ready to go with the first fight

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card of the year, a Golden
Boys show featuring Virgil Ortiz fingers cost as.

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I say, Virgil Ortiz, and
we welcome you into the big Fight.

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We can preview only because Virgil's had
all the issues he's had, but

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now he's ready to headline. I'm
merely the somewhat capable host TJ Reeves.

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He is our insider, Dan Rayfield. Fight Freaks Unit is a substack.

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We should make mention to the audience. Hopefully on this podcast feed you got

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to hear Dan with Virgil Ortiz earlier
this week. This is not the first

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time on the podcast feed that they
have heard from you in twenty twenty four,

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because you did talk to Virgil back
a couple of days ago. We

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put the podcast up even before the
preview. So welcome Dan Rayfield. Good

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to have you, and we're back
for another year. Again, I say

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again, they said it wouldn't last. We're into another year. Here,

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we are here, we are ready
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all kinds of stuff going on.
We're like a few days into the year

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and there's already shit happening. Yes, like a guy on the day of

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reckoning card being paid significant money,
who has his truck in suburban Miami repossessed

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by a dealership and then goes all
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we're doing, because it does help
us out. All right. So Virgil

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Ortiz, who again I heard,
I enjoyed listening to you with him.

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Obviously he's frustrated, he's had health
problems. He's excited to be back in

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the ring. I again say for
the second time in the first five minutes

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of the podcast, fingers cross that
we get to Ortiz and Frederick Lawson because

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we got to the eve of the
fight week right of the Stanionas fight last

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time and he had health problems again, So hopefully we get to the finish

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line and get him in the ring
in Vegas coming on Saturday night, Dan,

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Right, Phil, here we go. Yeah, I mean I think

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this time we should be okay,
knock on what I guess? I mean.

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Remember that was a situation where it
was a a weight issue in terms

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of dehydrating and trying to get down
to one hundred and forty seven pounds.

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This is going to be his junior
middleweight debut. So if you listen to

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him speak on our podcast the last
episode, he talked about, you know

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that extra seven pounds is a big
deal. He talked about how we you

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know, in his non boxing days, when he's just a normal person going

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to the store or you know,
hanging out with the family or going to

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a movie or whatever it is,
he's like one hundred and seventy pounds,

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So he's cutting down to one forty
seven to a fighting weight. Now he's

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only got to get down to one
fifty four, which sounds daunting no matter

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what, but it's hell of a
lot easier than one forty seven. So

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he felt like he was, you
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you as look every fighter says,
they feel good, but you know,

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hopefully for his sake, he's ready
to go. He is going up to

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the new way class. I suspect
he's going to be just fine. Frederick

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Laws and his opponent is going also
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frustration level that you hear in Virgil's
voice tells you it's been a long haul

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for him just mentally getting through all
this because he hasn't had a fight since

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twenty twenty two. And you know, I've known Virgil pretty much his whole

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career and he's a you know,
laid back, you know, friendly kind

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of guy. But not that he
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he was he was fine. I'd
get on very well with him. But

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you could just sense the frustration and
the voice about this has just been a

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long time coming. He wants,
you know, maybe four fights this year.

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I mean, that's that's that'd be
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at least three fights when you're fighting
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in January. As long as you're
not injured, there should be no reason

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why you can't get in those types
of you know, he's not the kind

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of guy that's gonna be in a
scenario where you know, the money he

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commands is going to be way off
the off the reservation, and he's not

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going to be able to fight because
you know, he can't come to an

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agreement with his promoter, Golden Boys. So look, hopefully if everything goes

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well for him on Saturday, we'll
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fight asap. But first things first, you got to get back in the

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ring. You got to show people
you're healthy. You have to show people

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that remember what you were when you
were killing everybody, knocking everybody out at

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one forty and then doing it again
at one forty seven. Had a pretty

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good run there. I mean,
let's just refresh people's memory DJ for a

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quick minute. He went in order, He went from one hundred. He

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had his first full fledged welterweight fight. This isn't like mid twenty nineteen,

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and he destroyed Mauricio Herrera, who
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tooth, but it had never been
stopped and he pummeled him. Then he

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took on the Antonio Arosco fight that
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one loss at that time and that
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and Arosco was a good contender with
a good chin, a tough, tough

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guy, very solid opponent, shredded
him in six rounds. Dan took on

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Brad Solomon, who at that time
had one loss, who was a kind

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of a Cagy kind of guy,
had not been stopped before. He was

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the first man to stop him in
the fifth round, pummeled him. Samuel

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Vargas, again not a super elite
contender, but had been in the ring

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with a lot of guys, took
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Maurice Hooker, former one hundred and
forty pound champion, was a very good

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fighter who only had the one loss
at that time, which was again to

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Jose Ramirez on a unification fight.
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mean, he was just crushing these
guys. These were not really competitive fights.

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Kavalawskis, who gave Terrence Crawford maybe
the toughest fight of his career in

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my opinion, scored a knockout against
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He knocked him out in eight rounds. That was a great run right

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there. There's a reason why people
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why he was in line to fight
Stanionis. Then came to a grinding

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halt. That was in August of
twenty twenty one. He didn't fight again

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for one year because of the Rabdobe
blood disorder. Finally got back in the

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ring with Michael mckinson, rescheduled,
stopped him in nine had never been stopped

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before mckinson was undefeated. And then
all the stuff that went on after that,

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with the three different times he was
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and it just it's been a hugely
frustrating and the blood disorder is the most

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it's the most concerning thing because it
re emerged again and I used the phrase

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career threatening. And now he's he's
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It is still it is still out
there, I mean hopefully, but he

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will see that was not the issue
when he came to the Stanionis fight getting

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bombed up the last time it got
canceled. So we'll see hw and we

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wish the best for him. But
you make a good point. He's had

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one fight in two and a half
years, and you also touched on this

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follow up on it. How will
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four. We will know until we
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Do you think that punch that we've
seen and what you were just laying

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out will translate coming up in this
fight Saturday. I do, because he

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was a devastating puncher at one forty
He won all his fights at one forty

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seven by knockout. And Frederick Lawson
is a welterweight who is also moving up

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to one fifty four, who's been
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So I suspect that this is a
knockout waiting to happen. To me,

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it's not about knockout, it just
when it's going to happen. You know,

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obviously lost, and it's an opportunity
of a lifetime for him, so

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he's going to be given it everything
he's got. But you know, in

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the end, the talent's going to
win out. And Virgil Artiz, if

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he's in the kind of condition that
he claims to be in, I think

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that that power would just be just
find at one fifty four against a fighter

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that's not an elite opponent. Now
when he when he if he comes true

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it and he starts to get into
fights against the better caliber of opponents in

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that weight class, you know,
then we'll have to see. I mean,

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but he's a natural puncher. And
what's the old saying, you know,

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punchers, you know, you don't
develop them. Their punchers are born,

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you know. And so he is
a puncher. And that's just the

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way it's been his whole career.
And uh so, no one's gonna be

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surprised if you get a he gets
a knockout, even an easy knockout.

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It's a matter of welcome back,
Virgil Ortiz. It's time to start anew

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and and get things going. I
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frustration in his voice, I kind
of feel sorry for for uh lawson because

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I feel like Virgil I asked this
in the in the in the interview,

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you know, take that frustration out
on on on on losson, and you

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know he kind of laughed. But
I suspect that when that bell goes,

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you know, he'll keep it under
control because he's a pro. But he's

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gonna want to get that knockout big
time. He's got He's got a lot

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of things pent up because he hasn't
fought in a year and a half and

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wants to make a statement in it's
and by the way, yeah, Wilson,

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he hasn't made any money in a
year and a half. And here's

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another thing about that. He was
due his biggest payday because Golden Boy did

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a very healthy number to win the
purse bit on the Stanionis fight. The

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other element of this fight that's important
in terms of Virgil's career is prior to

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the mckinson fight, Uh, he
had been for a long time with the

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trainer, the great trainer, Robert
Garcia. They split up for not really

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like great reasons. I guess he
just kind of maybe want a little more

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time with him. He was going
to go to Eddie Renoso. It didn't

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happen. He ended up going with
Manny Robolos, also a good trainer.

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His father was still in the corner, but for this camp he reunited with

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Robert, where he said he was
at his best. You have great sparring

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in the Robert Garcia gym because he
worked with so many great pros and then

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up and coming fighters, so there's
always a competition in the gym. There's

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always good sparring available, and he's
back in a comfort zone they were able

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to, you know, whatever their
issues were, series or not serious whatever,

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put them aside and he's back with
the trainer that helped build him up

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to where he got. So that's
another positive element of what's happening for Virgil

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this coming weekend. All right,
so let's see what he looks like in

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the Golden Boy des Own show's main
event. Just before that, in the

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co feature, Ohara Davies of England
and Ishmael Barroso. We remember that name

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from early in twenty twenty three and
a fight with Roi Romero that he appeared

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to be winning and it was questionable
at best that it should have been stopped,

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really should not have been stopped.
So now Barroso and Davies will fight

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for the interim a WBA Junior Welterweight
Championship in the undercard. Neither one of

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these guys has been very active.
Davies is not a well known commodity obviously

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the US because he hasn't really fought
here. So give me a little more

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on the co feature as well.
In the preview, Moude, well,

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originally, if you go back to
the fight that you mentioned about Roly Romero

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and Barroso that was supposed to be
role Romero against Alberto Pueo. Payo got

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busted with a positive drug test and
was tripped of the WBA title, and

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so in came Barroso to be the
opponent to fight him for the vacant title.

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You discussed about how it was a
terrible, terrible stoppage in a fight

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that the old man Barroso who looks
about seventy five but was clearly winning the

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officially listed at forty. But we
are suspect of the Venezuelan and Barroso that

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he may be a tad older.
Yes, but he was big time winning

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that fight without without question. And
when he got stopped in quote marks and

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uh, they stopped the fight and
and Roly won the fight by roll stop

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while he was firing a punch at
Roal Maryland almost hit tony Weeks the referee,

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Yeah, was being stopped. So
that took place in May of last

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year. Uh. Roly was had
has been had a a disc problem in

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his lower back and was not going
to be able to make the mandatory fight.

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Uh. And that was supposed to
be against O'Hara, Davies, plus

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there was a lot of uhuh thought
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rematch with Barroso given what had happened, but neither of those occurred because he

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was unavailable. And after they went
through the medical reports and determined that it

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was legit and he was going to
be out probably to at least like April

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of you know, this year meeting
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BA and I and I had a
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president of the w b A because
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taken over the years because of their
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obviously a leader in that, in
that massive criticism, uh. And so

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he asked my opinion. I say, you know, this is the time

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you're ever going to use an interim
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utilized. The interim title creation,
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that's been available, but it's meant
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It has a bona fide injury,
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period of time, and you've got
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action in the weight class, so
you order the interim title and when the

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champion is healthy, comes back and
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fight. So that's what they did. They had eliminated all the interim titles

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the back a couple of years ago, with all the nonsense that was going

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on, but this was a case
where it made sense. So they've ordered

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this fight to be to the interim
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is then theoretically going to be mandated
to fight Romero when Romero is healthy to

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return. So that's the situation.
That's why it's a interim title as opposed

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to a vacant title or a you
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you want to describe it. So
that's the reason why these two guys are

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fighting with each other. Golden Boy
had signed O'Hara Davies. They wrote to

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make a deal with a PBC,
which is the folks that have worked with

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for the last couple of years with
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So you mentioned about Davies, Now
he has not fought for a while,

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as you said, he only had
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he's got a good record. He's
twenty five and two. He had a

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good win over Lewis Ritzon by knockout, who was a you know, a

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top British contender, and that was
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But he doesn't have like a huge
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there that you might recognize. He
had a win over like the former lightweight

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title holder Miguel Vasquez up at one
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McKenna, which was a solid win
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in a majority of decision. So
he's not, you know, a guy

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that's fought absolute nobody's and by the
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he did get stopped in round seven. You got to go all the way

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back at that time when they were
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people saw him. He's not a
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ton of punches. He's got good
power, but he's not not a world

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beater, but he's experienced. He's
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He fought Romero it was a ripoff
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that's been in the ring with a
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he scored you know, some solid
wins. He did lose probably the most

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famous loss. He fought for a
world title against Anthony Kohler back in twenty

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sixteen. That was in the UK
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but Davies as much younger. And
we'll see I don't being honest,

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tej, I don't have like huge
high hopes for like, you know,

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we're gonna be talking on the recap
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like the early contender for fighting a
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And look, the winner is putting
himself in a great position about good and

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good that Barroso gets another chance on
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what happened to him all the way
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the way, we'll handicap these fights
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his favorite five to one or teased, by the way, he is

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much more significantly fifty to one favorite
Virgil Ortiz, He's five to oh to

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one. What's the over on that
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half but the knockout and that is
a that's a twelve round fights. That's

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interesting. Uh, And the Davies
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the money line, what does he
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he's again listed a forty years of
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appearance in the US. He's fought
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but has not fought in the United
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we get on. Anything else there
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the most prominent fight card that we're
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Anything else or shall we move on? No? I mean that's that's that.

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but those are the two to the
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disappointing things I guess about it is
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supposed to be involving a surgeate Deverychenko, who was coming off that awesome fight

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against Haiman Mongia last year. They
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famously against Triple G in a very
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deserved to win. So he's supposed
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he got his original opponent suffered at
injury, they replaced him with a different

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opponent, and then deviren Chenko himself
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show, and so that's kind of
a bummer. But that was probably the

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most notable name beyond the two main
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All Right, good enough on those, Let's get to some news. Top

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Rank did make it official on Thursday, Tea Fimo Lopez Jermaine Ortiz will be

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Super Bowl weekend in Las Vegas at
the Mandalay Bay headlining the ESPN Top Rank

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show. So we had talked about
that previously. It is happening on the

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Thursday night, a Thursday night before
Super Bowl Sunday. Keishawn Davis, Jose

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Pedraza also on the card. So
give us more on that official announcement there

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that we now know it's coming.
Well, it's good that t Fimo is

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back in action. I mean,
if you remember back last summer, he

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had that brilliant performance and big win
against Josh Taylor to win the WBO and

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the lineal title at one hundred and
forty pounds and then announced his retirement.

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That lasted about thirty seconds, and
it was the hope of top rank and

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I think a lot of boxing fans
frankly, that he would fight. The

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plan was to have him fight in
December on the Heisman Trophy Saturday night at

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Madison Square Garden. For his own
reasons, he elected not to go through

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with that. He so he just
had you know, that title. So

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he hasn't fought since he won that
title, and he decided he's not going

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to retire and he's coming out of
retirement or whatever. He's going to fight

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this fight against Jermaine Ortiz. Now
that's not a bad matchup. Ortiz,

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you know, made his name.
If you will off of a loss that

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was a really well. First of
all, he got a win, you

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know, that kind of came out
of nowhere against Jammel Herring in the middle

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of twenty twenty two, and that
put him in a position. He had

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done a co promotion deal with Jimmy
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Top Rank, and they got him
an opportunity to fight Lomachenko and he he

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lost to Lomachenko in a in a
twelve round decision, but it was a

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really competitive, close fight. He
pushed Loma, you know, hard all

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the way. He put on a
good performance and it just goes to show

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you that in this sport that if
you even if you lose a lot of

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fighters, I don't think kind of
grass this just because you don't win.

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If you put up a good performance
and you make people want to see you

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and you show something that your career
is not over, you're gonna get other

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opportunities. So he came back in
September, you know, he went and

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got a decision to win by by
a wide margin over a you know,

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a secondary type of fighter, a
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that put him in this position because, uh, Jose Ramirez, who is

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a former unified champion in this way
class, turned down the fight for you

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know, two million plus dollars from
what I am told reporting wise, to

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fight Ti Fimo on this February date. That's his decision. He's gonna stop

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for a second. You've talked about
him before. Is he doing because Jose

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Ramirez, we can't, we can't
make decisions for these fighters. But he

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turned down a seven figure payday correct
to fight Regis Progra or in that neighborhood,

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because that was part of your reporting
on this seven way over seven seconds.

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What is he doing? Why would
you know he turned Why would you

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turn down Femo in a high profile
fight for a couple of million? That

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just that's boggling the mind. On
what is Jose Ramirez doing? I don't

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know. Rose could have fought He
could have fud Zapeida, who would have

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been a rematch of a tough fight, but he could have fought him for

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the vacant title. He could have
fought Regius progra turned that down. Also

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turned down this teeth Femo Dopez fight
for north of two million dollars. Again,

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I'm not I'm not. I don't
dislike Jose Ramirez. He's a great

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person. He's a wonderful guy.
I mean all respect to him. He's

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been a hell of a fighter.
You know, I have nothing but love

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for Jose Arameres. But if you
are a professional, top level prize fighter,

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besides me, there's two things you
want right. You want to make

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a lot of money. Check.
You want to be a champion. You

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got the opportunity check in a big
event. Check. I mean super Bowl

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Thursday in Las Vegas. Where do
the Super Bowl happen in a city filled

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with sports fans, at a at
a one of the best boxing venues in

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the world, at the Mandalay Bay
Resort. And you turn that down?

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You want me to say it?
Don't make people question your desire to still

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be great? You still fight?
You want me to say it, don't

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you? What are we doing here? If you're going to cont I mean,

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if you're going to continue at the
highest level and turn down these fights,

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I don't understand. That just doesn't
make it. So I'll explain a

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little bit about this contract with Top
Rank was coming due. This is a

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very similar scenario to what occurred with
Arnold Barbosa, who's also in that way

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class and they happened to have the
same manager. So his contract was coming

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due, and Top Rank knew that
they hadn't you know, they weren't an

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agreement on the kind of fight or
the schedule, so they're The position that

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both sides took was okay, fine, we're going to go shop for a

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deal. We're free agent. They
were okay. He was allowed to then

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go and talk to other promoters whoever. But with the stipulation is if somebody

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gives you an offer, we have
the right to match it or not match

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it. So he went out with
his team and they shopped around and they

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made they got an offer for a
promotional contract from Golden Boy, and they

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then obviously, you know, fulfilled
their obligation to bring that offer to Top

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Rank, who then had the option
to match it or not match it.

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If if they don't match it,
then he would obviously would be free and

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clear to go sign the deal with
Golden Boy. Now when they brought him,

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when when the Ramirez people brought Top
Ranked the contract, they didn't immediately

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say yay or nay. What they
did was they made a counter offer for

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something else that you know, which
is still an option for him to take

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it or leading right. So that
deal that was presented to them was a

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fact that they felt was good for
their company, was good for tia Fima,

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was good for Ramirez, good money
for everybody, profile event, you

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know, checked all the boxes,
good for the broadcaster, ESPN, et

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cetera. And that was a really
good payday to fight tia Fimo for the

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title shot you say you want.
And on top of that, because you

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know, we know that it's a
you know it's a big fight that we're

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gonna do a two fight deal with
you, and so whatever happens, you'll

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be with us for one more fight
at a good number, and you're gonna

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make money, win or lose.
You're gonna be back. But then you

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can go your separate ways. And
they turned that down again from what I

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am told, and so therefore they
then declined to match the offer from Golden

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Boy. And so now he will
sign with Golden Why it hasn't been announced

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yet, but that's coming in the
very near future. And what that means

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is he'll probably fight in like early
spring, probably go back to the Fresno

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area, you know, fight you
know, a decent name, probably make

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good money, but it will be
a much lesser event and it won't be

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as much money. And that's Jose's
decision for himself and his career, it

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seems to me. And and he
can say if he if I'm wrong,

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that he is content with making a
bit less money but still good money for

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a smaller event, but a much
more winnable fight than Tia Femo. He

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would, let's be honest, he
would be the probably at least he'd be

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a little bit of an underdog against
Tia Femo at this stage, but certainly

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not an unwinnable fight. But that's
his decision. You know, he's he's

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playing uh, he's playing it safe. I mean, I can't, I

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can't argue that's his call. But
you you you're not going to be in

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the Hall of Fame. You're not
going to get adulation from fans and media

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if you turn down these types of
fights. But I wish him good luck.

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And Jamaine Ortiz is the winner because
when that happened, he got the

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opportunity of a lifetime and he didn't
turn it down, all right, And

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Kyshawn Davis will fight Jose Pedraza as
the co feature that's announced as well for

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February the eighth coming up at the
mandal A Bay, and there will be

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some heightened excitement with Super Bowl weekend
that's in Las Vegas. Yeah. Yeah.

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Kishan is an interesting situation because,
I mean, if you remember back

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going to October a few months ago, he had a decision went over not

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here albright, and then shortly thereafter
that fight victory was turned into a no

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contest because Kishan tested positive for marijuana, which is not obviously does not have

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the stigma it once did. It's
not considered performance enhancing, but it's still

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on the books in most jurisdictions as
a banned substance. So even if you

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disagree with that, and it's legal
in a lot of places, like to

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use recreationally and things like that,
you still have to follow the rules of

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the commission that you're in. So
when that came back positive, the Texas

408
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regulators had absolutely no choice but to
suspend him and to change the fight.

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So he got suspended ninety days,
got the fight change from a victory to

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a no contest, and the ninety
days typically in boxing wouldn't mean anything because

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three months off that's not a big
deal. But he was supposed to that

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00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:56,119
fight was in October. He was
supposed to be back in December a couple

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of months later, fighting on the
undercart of when Robasi Ramirez had that in

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this battle with Raphael Espinoza, the
big upset, so he lost that that

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00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,920
spot, but they just rescheduled the
exact same fight against Padraza to do it

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00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,400
in this card in February. So
Padraza has been fighting. I mean,

417
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he was a champion at one hundred
and thirty and one thirty five, and

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he's a little long in the tooth
down, but he's still a very solid

419
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guy. He can still you know, beat some good fighters, and he's

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still sturdy, and he's still pretty
good. I'm a little concerned that he's

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got to come down to one thirty
five, where he's been fighting for the

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last quite a bit at one forty, so that that extra five pounds might

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make the difference. We talked about
that with Virgil Ortiz, so that he

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could be playing into Kishan's hands if
he's a little bit weaken trying to make

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the weight for this fight. But
if you take a look at the opponents

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that Kishan has fought, by far, his best opponent no question about it.

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And so that means to me that
Kishan is now in this new year

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00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:52,319
coming off of, you know,
having been the Olympic silver medal winner,

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you know, prospect of the year
from a lot of people in twenty twenty

430
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,920
two off to a great start,
that that twenty twenty four is the year

431
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,160
he starts to you know, make
a serious move and step up into the

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bigger fights. Because this is clearly
you're going from a certain level of fighters.

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You've been fighting the al Brights and
Anthony Yaggots and Peteras, et cetera.

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00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,720
Now you're stepping into the category of
you know, still pretty good uh

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00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:21,559
contender slash former champions, other rank
other ranked guys and as you make your

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00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,920
way towards a title fight, and
clearly that's got to be the next steps

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00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,839
and it's time to do that.
He's got potential, He's got dynamite in

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00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:33,039
both fists. Let's see what Keyshawn
Davis looks like in net CO feature fight.

439
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,599
Though he's okay puncher, but I
don't look at him as a big

440
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,319
next sitting shot. He I think
from what I've seen, he can hurt

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00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,400
you with either hand. And let's
see if that translates now when you step

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00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,359
up to bigger competition. We'll see
if that is. If that's the case,

443
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,799
all right. On a down note, and that is the death of

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00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:55,880
long time manager Cameron Duncan somebody near
and dear to you, because when you

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00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,039
first began you you were around him
a bunch and spent the better part of

446
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:06,079
twenty plus years being around him.
He passed away at the age of sixty

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00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,200
seven on Tuesday. So tell me
some more about him, because a lot

448
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,000
of the fans, including me,
don't know an awful lot about him.

449
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,480
But please feel free. The floor
is yours. Well if you go and

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00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,319
you watch the old videos of a
lot of those HBO fights where his fighters

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00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,559
are winning world championships or defending world
championship jeal steal seaman in the ring,

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00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,319
you may not know who it is, but I can point him out to

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00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,119
you. No I listen. I
mean, I can't say he was near

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00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,279
and dear to me. I certainly
don't want to to mischaracterize relationship, but

455
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,559
we had a long standing relationship.
I knew camera for a very long time.

456
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:38,559
We got along very well for most
of my career. You know,

457
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,440
I hadn't talked to much the last
couple of years, partly because he had

458
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,480
been ill and hadn't really been doing
a whole lot in the business, although

459
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,799
there was no kind of you know, issue or falling out or anything along

460
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,319
those lines. When I first started
at USA Today in early two thousand,

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00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,480
he was one of the first managers
I actually started to deal with. He

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00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,960
was introduced to him from my dear
friend Lee Samuel, who was the retired

463
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,119
former publicist for Top Rank. Top
Rank did tons and tons of business with

464
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,319
Cameron, and he introduced us like
in a phone call, and you know,

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00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,799
I would talk to Cameron, you
know, multiple times a week for

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00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,880
years and years and years, you
know, and I'm just gonna so anyway,

467
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,480
he was a tremendous manager in the
sense of the guys he was able

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00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,680
to assemble and the way he was
able to do it. Now, a

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00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,640
lot of managers, the way they've
been able to get to the top is

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00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,119
they're they're well oiled in terms of
the money. So it's not hard,

471
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
relatively speaking, to go pick out
like the superstar talent from the Olympics that

472
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,799
wins the gold medal or even the
silver medal or the bronze medal, you

473
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,319
know, if you know what you're
looking at, because you have the big,

474
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,880
deep pockets. So what Cameron excelled
at was because he didn't have that

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00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,920
kind of bank roll to his disposal, even though he was making pretty good

476
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,079
money as a boxing manager. He
is the guy that found the diamond in

477
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:55,880
the rough and polished them from oh
and oh and brought them to world championships

478
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,160
and to start them. You know, some guys he picked up mid career

479
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,480
or you know, later in their
care earlier in the career, but plenty

480
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,240
of the guys that I'm about to
talk to you about that he had from

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00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:08,440
the from day one, and they
became significant fighters and so and I'm not

482
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,480
alone of this this assessment. I've
heard this from a lot of people in

483
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:18,000
the business whose opinions I respect.
The probably the single best person that understood

484
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:23,279
watching an amateur fighter in terms of
talent evaluation and projecting them into the professional

485
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,559
ranks. He was the number one
guy. There's other guys that are talented

486
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,799
to do that. Shelley Finkler is
like that, Samson Lukewitz is like that.

487
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,480
I mean, we could go down
the list of different people in the

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00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,960
business. But to me, and
again, not alone. He was the

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00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,200
best talent evaluator in the sport over
the period of time I have been covering

490
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,480
boxing. So he worked with at
least four Hall of Famers two more that

491
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,759
are in waiting. That's six Hall
of Famers and a career that lasted you

492
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,119
know, from like say, like
the late eighties and through, you know,

493
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,359
till he passed thirty plus world champions. Not to mention other contenders and

494
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,920
and that sort of thing. But
here's a few guys Hall of Famers.

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00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:06,359
Johnny Tapia Hall of Famer, Mark
two Sharp Johnson Hall of Famer, Chico

496
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,160
Corrales, He's going to be inducted
in the Hall of Fame this coming June.

497
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,079
Timothy Bradley Junior, who was inducted
in the Hall of Fame last year.

498
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,839
He also was the longtime manager of
somebody may have heard of a Nonito

499
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,480
Donair perhaps another man you may have
heard of who's also going to be in

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00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,440
the Hall of Fame someday along with
Nonedo Dunair. And I don't know the

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00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:29,720
number one pound for pound fighter in
boxing today, Terrence Bud Crawford. Cameron

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00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:34,400
was his manager for most of his
career. Other champions Probably the one that's

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00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,359
the most current is Jeron Boots Ennis, who he developed you know from the

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00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:45,519
beginning. The former unified middleweight world
champion, Kelly Pavlick, lightweight champion Brandon

505
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,519
Rios. Another guy who's won titles
in a bunch of divisions. You may

506
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,839
have heard of Mikey Garcia, Jesse
Vargas, multi division world champion, Steven

507
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,400
the Webino. Classic example of a
diamond in the rough, a guy with

508
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,079
a good amateur career, but not
like a mass of amateur career are huge

509
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:06,559
credentials or huge reputation. Not a
big puncher brought in from O and O

510
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,680
to a featherweight world title. The
lightweight champion Stevie Johnston, who was a

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00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:14,799
top top guy for several years and
the best lightweight in the world for a

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00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,279
period of time. A matter of
fact, the first time I ever met

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00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:21,680
Cameron Duggant in person was on the
day that Stevie Johnston lost the WBC light

514
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,759
White title. J Jose Luis Castillo
in Los Angeles on the afternoon of the

515
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:30,279
first fight between Oscar de la Hoya
and Sugar Shane Mosley. He managed Danny

516
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,720
Romero, which I find kind of
crazy. Because he managed at one time

517
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,640
or another Happy and Rameier, who
were the huge rivals with each other,

518
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,759
and also a former featherweight champion,
Freddie Norwood. And these are guys that

519
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:45,720
he managed from the beginning of their
careers, even though he wasn't with them

520
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,200
when they won world titles. That's
Leo Santa Cruz who he found, Victor

521
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,880
Ortiz, who he found. I
mean, what a legacy, What a

522
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,200
legacy. That's a I mean,
that's a who's who of the last fifteen

523
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,640
years of boxing to find those guys
kind of at the beginning and help get

524
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,440
them into world title fights and into
big time, start them and attention from

525
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,599
pipe fans. Yes, so I
mean he you know, like I said,

526
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:10,480
he dealt with a lot of promoters. He dealt a lot tons with

527
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,440
top rank. A lot of the
guys I mentioned were with top rank.

528
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,400
Now he had his detractors. He
found himself in a lot of lawsuits.

529
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,200
There was issues. I can't sit
here and tell you everything was beautiful and

530
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,279
flowers and were holding hands and singing
and everything. But for what his job

531
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:29,079
was, which was to find talent, develop talent, get the talent paid.

532
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:34,400
He did that in spades. Wow, and again some of the fighters

533
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,640
have been putting on social media,
saw Terence Crawford and a couple of others

534
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:42,559
about him being involved with their careers
and this is what you as a resource

535
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,119
and this is what we love to
do, where you can illuminate situation and

536
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,880
his passing. Yeah, so I
mentioned too how he one of the fighters

537
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,720
he met. By the way,
two thousand and seven Manager of the Year

538
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,279
from the Boxing Writers Association of America
has been on the Hall of Fame ballot

539
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,920
for several of those although has not
been elected. I mentioned to you that

540
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,640
one of the fighters he managed was
Mikey Garcia. Where he also was a

541
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:09,000
very big deal for this person's career
was Mikey's older brother, Robert Garcia,

542
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,920
who was a former world champion and
now one of the most renowned trainers in

543
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,719
the sport of boxing. And Robert
Garcia credits Cameron Duncan for really giving him

544
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,880
his start in terms of being a
high profile trainer, because, for whatever

545
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,840
the reasons were, Cameron liked what
he saw and started to talk to Robert

546
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,239
and start to guide some of his
fighters to go train with Robert, and

547
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,639
that got him the start with some
of the top names, and you know,

548
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,400
then you get the reputation, you
start packing on some big wins,

549
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,039
and other fighters come to you.
And so Robert, this is not my

550
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,880
opinion. This is Roberts opinion and
it's his career. He's the one that

551
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,800
said without Cameron duncan you know I'm
not in the position I am and the

552
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,119
irony there and he made mention this
on his social media. On the night

553
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,039
that Diego Corrals, who Cameron managed, knocked out Robert Garcia to win the

554
00:34:55,039 --> 00:35:00,719
IBF Junior lightweight title, he was
in his corner and it was that was

555
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,920
the loss that sort of spurred Garcia
towards the end of you know, it

556
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,039
was near the end of his career, and it turned out that his that

557
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:12,719
Cameron's fighter knocked him out. And
it was then the manager Cameron that helped

558
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,599
him become the trainer that he was, which ultimately made his his career because

559
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,480
he's made much more of a name
for himself and much more money as a

560
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,920
elite trainer than he ever did as
a as a as a boxing professional.

561
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:28,199
All right, good tribute from you
on that. Let's move on to a

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00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,639
couple of other news items. We're
getting to the Durell Miller stuff in just

563
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,119
a second. But Tyson Fury,
who's actually won world heavyweight title fights and

564
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:38,199
deserves billing above Durell Miller. He's
on the rundown here because he's begun his

565
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,440
training, but not only that,
he's in Saudi Arabia. We've seen this

566
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:46,079
on social media and has begun to
ramp up for the Usik undisputed fight that

567
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:51,119
will be coming towards the end of
February. So there are a lot of

568
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,639
There are a lot of questions right
now after what we saw on the Francis

569
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,480
and Ganu fight of what kind of
fury are we going to see for this

570
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:01,599
Usik fight? But he appeared appears
being the key word to be taking it

571
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,480
seriously here as we began the new
year in twenty twenty four with the trade

572
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,199
are peers, Yeah, I mean, but if you're in the camp of

573
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,159
Tyson Fury, like he's your guy, you're rooting for him, you want

574
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,840
to see him win, I think
you have to be absolutely thrilled that.

575
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,280
You know, he celebrated the Christmas
holiday with the family, didn't even stick

576
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,199
around through New Years, packed up
and took the show on the road and

577
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,360
went to rhadd to prepare for the
fight. So out of the distractions of

578
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,599
the home, there's obviously for a
guy like Fury going to be far less

579
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:35,599
distractions if he's in Saudi Arabia for
six weeks ahead of the fight than if

580
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,760
he's back home in England. That's
for one hundred percent. And so that

581
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,639
tells me that Tyson Fury knows how
shitty he looked against Nigan, who probably

582
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,519
didn't take it as seriously as he
should have. Got knocked down, got

583
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,360
embarrassed. A lot of people thought
he lost. I mean, that's like

584
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,239
unhurt. It's crazy to even think
about against a great MNA athlete, but

585
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,280
a man making his boxing debut.
And so Fury knows he's got some work

586
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,440
to do. And so for all
the derisive things he has said about Usik,

587
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,079
because that's just the theory sticking to
what he does, you know,

588
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,159
running talking about he's a rabbit and
he's a middleweight and blah blah blah.

589
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:12,960
Listen, Tyson Fury is a smart
boxing person, putting putting the showman stuff

590
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,519
and and and the and the Diary
of the Mouth aside. Uh, he

591
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,920
knows that that Usik is a real
guy, and he knows that it's a

592
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,760
tough fight, and he knows that
he better being prepared both mentally and physically,

593
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,079
UH, or he's going to be
in some trouble that night. So

594
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:29,480
the fact that he left home and
went to Saudi six weeks before the fight

595
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,280
tells me that this man is taking
Usik as seriously as he deserves to be

596
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,079
taken. And Uh, I think
we're going to see a much more in

597
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,360
shape, in form Tyson Fury when
he steps in the ring for the undisputed

598
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,480
Championship of the World than he did
in what was a side show kind of

599
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,639
fight with his belt not on the
line, although the lineal title on the

600
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:52,400
line in UH the fight against Uh, there's no doubt. We'll just end

601
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,199
it on this. There's no doubt
he was embarrassed. He was embarrassed because

602
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,159
he was not good. He got
knocked down by a guy making his pro

603
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,800
boxing debut. So he he's got
to get focused and be ready or else

604
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,719
Usik's gonna lift his title off of
him and be the undisputed champs. So

605
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:12,800
I agree with you. It appears
one thing. I love the word derisive

606
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000
by the way, well done with
that. I'm not worried about Usik,

607
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:16,679
because as long as I've been watching
him fight, this is a man that's

608
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:20,719
never out of shape, and it's
always prepared for his fights. He is

609
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,400
as consummate a professional and takes it
as seriously as any fighter that I have

610
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,239
ever covered written about met no one
watched you name it. Uh So,

611
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,000
no one's got to be concerned that
Usik's coming to this fight not prepared.

612
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,719
I mean, this is what he's
dreamed about. I mean, I've said

613
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,639
the story before talking to Usik,
you know, early in his career about

614
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:45,199
his boxing goals become undisputed cruiserweight champion
and do what my hero Vander Holyfield did

615
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,119
and then following those same footsteps and
do what he did and become the undisputed

616
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,480
heavyweight champion. Well, he checked
the one box at cruiserweight in the four

617
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,280
belt there rather than three, and
now he's one went away from doing it

618
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,960
in the heavyweight division also, So
this is this is the goal he's had

619
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,639
from day one. All Right,
we move on to the news and a

620
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:08,199
guy that was on the day of
reckoning card in Saudi Arabia and Durrell real

621
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:14,320
big Baby Miller, hold On,
hold On, he goes by Big Baby

622
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:20,400
Miller and let's just call him Big
Dummy Miller instead. Well, in no

623
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,199
uncertain terms, he's once again in
the news for the wrong reasons, and

624
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,440
I will put this out there while
we're making the plays and the metaphors.

625
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:34,639
He apparently engaged in more activity and
aggressiveness in trying to get back he's repossessed

626
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,400
truck in Florida on Tuesday that he
did in the ring with Daniel Dubois third.

627
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:43,199
Well, that's fair. I'm just
saying apparently he was aggressive, he

628
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,880
made a good fight, he just
didn't win. Well, okay, so

629
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,360
let's get into what has happened and
then we'll move on off of this,

630
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,280
because I don't know if this guy's
ever going to be back in a legitimate,

631
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,000
serious, important fight, especially with
actions like this. So what happened

632
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,719
on Tuesday is he he went to
a car dealership with a female accomplice,

633
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,360
and she's an accomplice because she was
in on their little plot to try to

634
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,400
get his truck back his truck and
miss let's not get sued, please,

635
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,800
I'm saying this is what's in the
police report. She's an accomplice because of

636
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,119
what she did which I'm about to
explain. So they went to the car

637
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:22,880
dealership where he knew his car had
been repossessed. Generally speaking, your car

638
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,719
is repossessed when you're several months behind
making the payments on it. So the

639
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,679
dealership in Hollywood, Florida took his
car back. The female accomplice that was

640
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:36,519
there with him went to the dealership
people and said that her phone was inside

641
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,480
the truck and could they please bring
the keys out and let her into the

642
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,079
truck to get her phone. And
so out walks an employee with the keys.

643
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:50,119
He's being nice, and suddenly Jirell
Miller, according to the person that

644
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:54,119
was involved and witness statements, appears
assaults. The guy, puts him in

645
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:59,599
a chokehold, slams him on the
ground, takes the keys, and takes

646
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,159
off in the truck. It's not
clear whether the woman went with him or

647
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:06,480
not, but they take off and
leave in the truck. The authorities are

648
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,039
called the Broward County Sheriff's Office.
We're not making this up. Immediately finds

649
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,960
out from the dealership they have a
tracking device on the truck. They find

650
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,400
the truck within a matter of like
fifteen or twenty minutes and they find him

651
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:25,559
and they arrest him. So the
big baby is in the Pokey and Broward

652
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:30,800
County jail has not bonded out at
the time. We're taping this on Thursday

653
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:37,199
afternoon into Thursday evening on two charges
carjacking without a weapon and assault during burglary.

654
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,360
And the assault during burglary charge has
no bond on it right now.

655
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,599
So he sits in the Broward County
jail. And the only thing I said

656
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,199
to you before we hit the record
button. He had to have made at

657
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,280
least six figures, right, Danny
had to have made at least that,

658
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,280
if not more than that. He
made a slight card. He made way

659
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,840
over a million dollars for the fight. So how do you not go settle

660
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,719
up and just get your truck back? That's the thing that I'm puzzled by.

661
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:07,239
You are thinking like like a rational, normal, rational person that I

662
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,039
have known, and I would think
like that. I don't know about you.

663
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,480
I get like, I go and
I get my mail, or I

664
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,800
get my email maybe sometimes in the
hard mail. Sometimes you know, you

665
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,239
know your your your water bill is
due. I usually go on like that

666
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,880
day and just pay it out of
my bank out or write the check if

667
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,599
necessary. Whatever. If I owed
money on the car, if you can

668
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,960
make the payment, you make the
payment. If you can make the payment,

669
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,119
you talk to them and you work
it out. Whatever. But you

670
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:38,239
don't like steal the car. I
mean, I don't know. Daryl Miller

671
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,599
has never been known as one to
use proper good judgment. You just look

672
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,199
at his boxing trajectory as his career
has gone. Forget about what's gone on

673
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,880
that's of his personal multiple drug test
failures. And now you have this incident.

674
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,760
Well, let me hear what TJ. What are you supposed to say

675
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,119
right now? What are we doing
here? People? Why? I mean,

676
00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:00,039
how does somebody that's that's involved with
him not say you, so some

677
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,000
of the money you got from the
pay per view and go settle up and

678
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,039
get the truck back and so and
again, I don't know the situation,

679
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:12,840
but it could not. Let's let's
say the truck is a one hundred thousand

680
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,239
dollars automobile. All right, Let's
say it's one hundred thousand dollars automobile.

681
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:20,280
Let's say he's missed three or four
payments, and that's why your truck would

682
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,320
get repossessed by the dealership because again
the bank is saying to the dealership,

683
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,920
hey, we haven't been paid,
so therefore you got to go. You're

684
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,360
not you know, you're going to
default here, and we're gonna ask the

685
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,840
dealership for the money back. If
this guy doesn't keep paying us, we're

686
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,280
gonna ask you, the dealership,
to give us the money. That's how

687
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,320
it works. So they go and
repossess the vehicle on one hundred thousand dollars

688
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,960
vehicle. He couldn't vote if he
missed like three or four months. He

689
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,840
couldn't vote more than probably ten thousand
dollars for three months or four months of

690
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,719
payments that would not even that probably
probably like eight grand. Go pay it.

691
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,079
This is again we're thinking too rationally. But these are serious charges.

692
00:43:55,119 --> 00:44:00,280
These are felonies. He could be
looking at significant jail time here to depending

693
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,480
on what's going on. And from
the reporting I saw from a couple of

694
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,760
the Miami outlets, the employee that
was involved was injured when he slammed him

695
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,559
down, and the employee is pressing
charges on you know, and the dealership

696
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,159
is as well on behalf of him
coming on their property and doing this and

697
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:20,400
taking off in the truck. Jarrell
Miller. So there you go. We

698
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,079
gave it. We gave it the
attention that it has gotten in the last

699
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:27,320
day or so, and I just
don't know that we I don't at this

700
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,119
point. I don't think he deserves
any more coverage. So shall we just

701
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:35,519
move on? You want to do
that, Let's move on? What else?

702
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,000
Anything else in the news items that
we have? The IBF does have

703
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,880
the purse bid up for the cruiserweight
title fight. You have this on the

704
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,639
rundown. You want me to say
it for like the fourth time of the

705
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:50,119
podcast, what are we doing here
with why ji Opataiah had to be stripped

706
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,719
in the first place or vacate in
the first place? Why are they why

707
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,480
did they have to do that a
week and a half ago? And why

708
00:44:55,519 --> 00:45:00,639
is he not fighting brit Us next
best? We all want to say it

709
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:06,159
makes too much sense when he vacated
for We're not going to go back and

710
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,039
do that whole thing. And they
can listen to that or read about it.

711
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,599
But he was essentially forced to vacate
because he wasn't going to fight Bradest

712
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,719
under their schedule, which was okay
with Bradest who was injured. That's the

713
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,400
whole point. So all the sides
were in agreement let him have the the

714
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,679
the the interim defense against Zoro on
the day of reckoning card, and they

715
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:32,679
had stipulated to the IBF that that
when Bradis's injury is healed, which is

716
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,280
not deemed to be serious, that
he'd be available, probably to fight February

717
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,519
March, that they were going to
do the fight on another Saudi Arabia card

718
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,800
at that time, and that would
be that. So the title defense will

719
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,400
be delayed by a couple of,
you know, three months. He'd have

720
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,960
an interim fight and everybody would be
happy that IBF gets its sanctioned fee,

721
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,159
he gets the title defense, the
other man, the mandatory, gets his

722
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:57,400
fight. Everybody's happy. They said, no, he vacated the title.

723
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:00,880
So once that title was vacated,
the next day, the IBF did what

724
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,760
the IBF does, which is they
sent out the letter to the teams from

725
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,679
the next available guys. One was
Bradest who is the mandatory who I just

726
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,039
said is injured. The next available
guy, leading available contender who had won

727
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,840
an eliminator in his previous fight against
Joe Smith making his cruiserweight debut, was

728
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,920
the former super midleweight title holder Gilberto
Zerto Ramirez. So on paper, Bradest

729
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,639
against Zerdo Ameras is an interesting fight, and so what happened in that scenario

730
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:30,039
was when the fight was originally mandated
to happen. In the IBF rules,

731
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,039
you don't have to wait a period
of time then have a purspit. If

732
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,800
there's one side or the other that
doesn't want to negotiate, they can immediately

733
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:39,840
or within a few days or whenever
they decide during that timeframe, notify the

734
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,039
IBF, Hey we would like an
immediate perspit. We don't want to negotiate.

735
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:50,599
And that's what the team did,
and therefore the Greatest team requested the

736
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:54,639
immediate perspit and so it's going to
a perspit on January sixteenth. Typically this

737
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,480
is not an always statement, but
typically when one side says they want the

738
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,599
immediate per they typically don't make a
deal. It's possible, but they'll have

739
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:08,920
they'll be a purse bid January sixteenth. It's it's a non refundable of the

740
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:14,039
promoters that want to participate and did
on the fight, five thousand dollars non

741
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,719
refundable, and they'll do the purse. But and then once that's happens,

742
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,880
they have X number of days.
I think it's probably ninety days to put

743
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,320
the fight on, and so the
vacant IBF title theoretically will be filled by

744
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:30,440
the winner of a fourth coming bout
between Zerto Ramirez and Amiras Braidas, and

745
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,920
Opataia is going to go on and
make a lot of money whoever he fights

746
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,199
for his next fight in Saudi Arabia. Again, call me crazy, but

747
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,519
wouldn't Opataia and Braidest have been the
natural fight for the IBF and the rematch

748
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:45,280
and the whole thing. And I
don't even want to go down the rang

749
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,239
with with Greatest against Ramirez. The
only thing I'm saying with that is is

750
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,960
Ramirez is fault one fight as a
cruiser weight and now he's involved in a

751
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,159
title fight. So I would rather
have seen Opataia fight Braadus again. But

752
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,360
I can't disagree with that. Not
getting that, we're not getting that,

753
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,480
but I mean, at least at
least it's not a complete nobel. Ramirez

754
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,639
did look very good in that fight
at Crusualy against Joe Smith, which was

755
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:08,119
an official eliminator anyway, So there's
that and the whole thing with the IBF

756
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:13,239
in this scenario is just bizarre.
It still is bizarre. And if you

757
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,239
know the result is going to be
Ramirez against Braidus, it's not out of

758
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,280
the realm of possibility, particularly if
Braidest as the winner, that they still

759
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,639
end up doing a fight with Opatya
down the road, all right. And

760
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:29,360
again, in terms of nostalgia,
we don't have a lot because usually around

761
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,719
this time frame there aren't a lot
of big time title fights in the history

762
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,559
books at the end of December and
in early January, et cetera, et

763
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,039
cetera. So we're kind of putting
a bow on twenty twenty three one more

764
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,840
time. You've been putting on your
sub stack, your knockout of the year,

765
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,039
you're Fighter of the Year, you
already talked about on the previous podcast,

766
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:51,239
Prospect of the Year, Fight of
the Year, et cetera. They

767
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,719
can read up more on those.
We kind of talked last time too about

768
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,360
what we're looking at looking forward to
in twenty twenty four, including that undisputed

769
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,519
with Usik and Fury that'll come fairly
quickly, whether we get a rematch with

770
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:06,800
spenc and Crawford or not, whether
we get Canelo and Benavitez or not.

771
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,119
Those are things to kind of look
forward to. I got one interesting thing

772
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:13,280
for you, because you put this
on social media earlier in the day.

773
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,880
I'm gonna hit you off the cuff. Somebody asked you because the late Parnell

774
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,679
Whittaker would have turned sixty years old
this week, sweet Pee Whitaker, the

775
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,480
Hall of Famer. Somebody asked you, Pernell versus Floyd? Who you got?

776
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:27,840
You didn't hesitate. You put one
word on social media Floyd in the

777
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,599
nostalgia. You just think, matter
of fact, Mayweather on any given night

778
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,960
is just better in your mind than
sweet pe Medaker Whittaker. And I love

779
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,079
Whitaker. I was a fan of
Whittakers. I got to know him a

780
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:42,599
little bit. I mean all respect. He's one of the all time greats,

781
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,079
I mean best of his time pound
for pound king for many years.

782
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,679
You know, I fought everybody,
never ducked anybody. So this is not

783
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:57,880
a negative towards Pearnel Whittaker. But
Floyd Mayweather could do everything that Parnell could

784
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,400
do, and had better offense,
and was bigger as just a person,

785
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,559
like he's a bigger guy. On
top of that, the weight wouldn't be

786
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,760
an issue because they both were champions
at one hundred and thirty five pounds,

787
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,960
they both were champions at one hundred
and forty pounds, they both were champions

788
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,000
at one hundred and forty seve pounds. In other words, this is not

789
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,719
a matter of like you're making a
fantasy fight and one guy, you know,

790
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,760
spend his whole career as a lightweight
and the other guys spent his whole

791
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,039
career as a wealth waier. Even
if he did go to the other weight

792
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,719
class, it was a small period
of time. These are guys that competed

793
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,679
in the same weight class, same
weight for many years. So in my

794
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,400
mind, it's like, you know, size wise, it's even I just

795
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,440
would prefer Floyd in the fight.
I think that his defense was maybe you

796
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,000
know, just as good as Pronel
Whitaker's defense, and offensively, he could

797
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:43,800
do a lot more things, particularly
if they're fighting the fight in the lightweight

798
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,280
division, you know, or even
at the one hundred and thirty pound division.

799
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,039
You know, if that could if
that would have been the case,

800
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,119
because back in those weight classes,
you know, he had much more punching

801
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,119
power. But even you know,
even at one forty and here and there

802
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:59,039
at one forty seventy. Still stop, guys to me. Parnel Whittaker.

803
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,599
You know, he had some knockout
but they were few and far between,

804
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:05,400
at least in terms of spectacular against
top ten names. And he was an

805
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,480
amazing talent defensively as well, So
that would be a great component to a

806
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,559
Mayweather fight. Could Mayweather have hit
him as much et cetera hit him?

807
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:17,360
I mean that's true. All right, So these are great, So I'm

808
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,159
gonna I'm just gonna go. We
don't have to spend fifteen minutes on each

809
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:25,679
one. Chavez Floyd, who you
got, because that's around the same weight

810
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,920
class, Julio says er, Chavez, the Hall of Famer Chavez Floyd,

811
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:35,000
Well, I made you, Paul
Floyd, I mean well, because I

812
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,000
love Chavez. Mexicans would be after
you, man Chavez, I just in

813
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:43,760
the kitchen and just pound him.
He very well might you know, maybe

814
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,960
it would be Meldrick Taylor Ish who
you know, out box Javas and beat

815
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:49,280
him up frankly for a lot of
that fight, and then you know he

816
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,639
came back and got the stoppage.
But Floyd Mayweather defensively would probably not be

817
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,679
able to get pounded on byvis Chavas
would land some punches. Interesting, you

818
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,320
know that's a listen, that's one
of those. The good thing is there's

819
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,159
no right answer. There's no right
I understand, But I love your answers.

820
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:07,800
I love your answers to the nostalgia. Now the given is you and

821
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,280
I are absolutely in the bag for
Sugar Ray Leonard. We would take Sugar

822
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,920
Ray Leonard like against Godzilla and against
Andre the Giant and whoever else. So

823
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,400
we're in the bag for Sugar record. Let's go Roberto Duran lightweight undisputed champion,

824
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,800
welterweight junior middleweight champion. Yes,
he lost in the four kings in

825
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:31,360
those fights, Duran or Floyd,
And well, wait, pick away Duran

826
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,440
Floyd. Let's say one thirty five. At one thirty five, that might

827
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,519
be a guy that could hand off
from Floyd. Who you would take Roberto

828
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,639
Duran but not Chavez? Interesting,
okay, all right? But at one

829
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,639
forty seven, you know, I
mean, yes, Roberto Durant at one

830
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,159
forty seven had one of the greatest
wins in the history of boxing when he

831
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,719
beat Ray Leonard in the first fight. Right, But the rest of his

832
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,880
time, that one forty seven is
really not that distinguished. Uh. You

833
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,880
know, Floyd Mayweather had you know, tremendous amount of wins at one forty

834
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,800
seven, they may not have been
and then against the opponents at the exact

835
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,119
moment you wanted to see them happen. But if you take a look at

836
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,039
the names on the resume, you
know that's where he beat you know,

837
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,440
Ricky had and where he beat Nanny
Pack. Yeah, and where he beat

838
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,440
uh, you know, Shane Moseley
and you know again I know those were

839
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,880
not you know, where he beat
Miguel Coto. And so he's got a

840
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,920
really great track record at one hundred
and forty seven. But a lot of

841
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,519
people view Duran uh as the greatest
lightweight of all time. Now, the

842
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:28,079
thing about Duran is that when people
go back and watch the old fights,

843
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,039
they watch a lot of the Four
Kings fights obviously, which you know he

844
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:36,679
lost all of them except for you
make he fought against Hearns at one fifty

845
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,519
four and got Bob he had to
fight at one sixty when he fought Hagler

846
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:43,440
for the middleweight Crown one hundred and
sixty pound limit. Those were not at

847
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,480
well to weigh much less. Yeah, junior, well to weight or lightweight

848
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,880
to your point. And by the
way, and and and Duran, you

849
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,119
know, even as an older fighter, showed the greatness when he upset everybody

850
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,719
in one in middleweight title by beating
Iran Barkley in a spectacular fight. So

851
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,239
listen, I mean, as much
as I'm in the bag for Leonard,

852
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,320
I'm similarly in the bag for Durant
because not only just as a fan,

853
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,079
but just as somebody that got and
Noah has gotten to know him a little

854
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,920
bit over the years. I've covered
boxing and hung out with him and spend

855
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,079
some time with him and just been
around him. He's just such a beautiful

856
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:15,559
guy that like I have like warm
fuzzies when I think about him. It's

857
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,199
the thing about it's so crazy about
Duran is when you saw him back in

858
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,239
those days, he scowled, He
looked mean, menace. He's gonna break

859
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,559
you. He's a menacing you know, He's like a you know, a

860
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:30,159
Panamanian version of Drago, but like
a lot less weight. I mean,

861
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:32,719
just a nasty, scowling, snorting
guy. I'm gonna break your fucking face.

862
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,800
Now you see him at fights,
you give him a hug. He's

863
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,079
like he's laughing, he's joking.
I mean, he's you know, he's

864
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,079
got a little bit of a pot
belly. He's just a great guy to

865
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:43,559
hang with. And you know,
one of my again I've said this on

866
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,119
the show I think before, one
of my most fun times I ever had

867
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:50,880
in the in the twenty plus years
I've been doing this is spending time with

868
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,519
Roberto Durant sitting at a bar in
New York City, myself and my good

869
00:54:54,519 --> 00:55:00,000
pal Lance Pugmyer during the week of
I think it was a triple G versus

870
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:05,440
David Lemieux and UH and one of
the one of the folks that worked for

871
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:09,079
Golden Boy, Uh, who was
bilingual, basically did like the un translation

872
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:13,400
for us, like in real time, and we spent like, i mean

873
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,679
hours just shooting the ship with dur
was the occasion that Duran was there.

874
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,360
Was he there as part of the
promotion or he just happened to be there.

875
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,119
Yeah, they had they had brought
in Duran to sort of help promote

876
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,280
the fight. You know, it
was a big middleweight unification fight and they

877
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,079
wanted to appeal to some of the
h Latino audience and and you know,

878
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,079
Duran was, you know, always
happy to help promote and take a paycheck

879
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:35,119
and have a you know, a
fun week at the fights and all uh.

880
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:37,119
And that was a great experience.
So when it comes to picking the

881
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:42,440
historical fights, we're talking about the
greats of all time, and like your

882
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,719
all time list of great fighters,
Duran and Leonard and Floyd, they're all

883
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,519
on it. I mean, had
sweet pe Whittaker deserves to be there,

884
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:52,559
and Chavez deserves to be Yeah.
Well, I'll put you like this.

885
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,440
He asked me about Floyd and and
Chavez, if Whittaker could handle Chavez the

886
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,480
way he did in their fight and
get robbed, and I think that that

887
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,920
Floyd would beat Whittaker, and by
connection, yeah, connected out that I

888
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,239
would. I would seem to think
that Floyd had the skill. And still

889
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,280
I keep thinking of this. From
the Four Kings documentary, the greatest metaphor

890
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,559
for what boxing can bring you,
Duran was a homeless his family was basically

891
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,239
homeless, kid of the streets with
no money, and boxing brought him such

892
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,159
fame that there was a point in
time that after that Leonard Win that the

893
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:30,199
President of Panama let Duran have his
private plane and Duran had it going everywhere

894
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,119
all over Central America the United States. This is in the documentary, to

895
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,920
the point that the President had to
call twice, can I have my plane

896
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:43,440
back, Roberto Duran. That tells
you about a I mean talk about rags

897
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,800
to riches metaphor. What amazing thing
is that where you see some older fighters

898
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,719
who and Duran was in a lot
of hard fights, and he had over

899
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,880
a hundred fights. I mean,
there's not a guy that we always talk

900
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,039
about activity. He's like one of
the last of the millions in terms of

901
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:01,280
like superstar legends that are gonna have
over one hundred fights. Yes, you

902
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,440
know, granted he had you know, petered out at the end and lost

903
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,039
a bunch of times. He had
over seventy fights before the Leonard wins,

904
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,559
seventy wins before those win. When
you look at the number of fights he

905
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:15,000
had, the number of rounds that
he boxed forget about like, you know,

906
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,760
however many rounds of you know,
because that's just the official record,

907
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,719
not you know, how many rounds
of hundreds of rounds or a thousands of

908
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,760
rounds you've had as a spin then
sparring he had in his professional cry.

909
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,159
I just looked this up on box
Wreck. One hundred and three wins,

910
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:34,079
sixteen losses, seventy wins by knockout, only four stoppage losses, one of

911
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:37,559
which was in you know, no
Moss against Duran wasn't like I mean against

912
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:42,599
Leonard wasn't like he was knocked out. Eight hundred and twenty one rounds.

913
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:46,760
That is mind boggling a lot of
rounds. What I'm getting at here is

914
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:51,599
when you see Duran at a fight
and you hang like I said, I

915
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:53,079
hung out with him. I've seen
him, you know, at fights plenty

916
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,360
of times and talk to him and
stuff. You would not know this man

917
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760
at eight hundred and twenty professional rounds. A lot of times you see guys

918
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,760
with you know, a fraction of
that, and they're they're a little bit

919
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,519
uh, you know, punchy because
of their careers. Sure of course,

920
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,480
Yeah, I'm not saying Duran has
not suffered some some kind of damage,

921
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:14,599
but outwardly you would never know it
the way he is. Great nostalgia,

922
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:16,199
So you didn't think we had nostalgia, and we just did nostalgia right there.

923
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,280
I thought we're going to talk about
like some of the you know,

924
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,960
the best of the year and what
we're looking forward. We've done a lot

925
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,840
of that. We've we've talked the
last business bits about what we're looking forward.

926
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,599
I can talk about the Four Kings
and even the Mayweathers and that year

927
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,880
for for hours. But we did
well right here with that. All right,

928
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,719
let's do this. Let's reconvene on
the bet Us Boxing Show one Eastern

929
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,440
time Friday, as you're hearing this, and you may catch that show after

930
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,519
it's live, but if you catch
us live, you get live Q and

931
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,440
A with Dan, including the Q
and A that I just got to have

932
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,960
here about Floyd versus Pernell, Whittaker
versus Chavez versus Duran. How about that,

933
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,039
peep? You got all that here
on the program at the end.

934
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,480
But again, bet Us Boxing Show, one Eastern Time. We'll handicap the

935
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:58,199
Virgil Ortiz Golden Boy main event from
Las Vegas and much more and whatever happens

936
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,800
brother Rayphiel, We're off the way
with a Fight Freaks Unit recap to discuss

937
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,960
it and go over everything that goes
on this weekend. With that, I

938
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,760
think we are good, my friend, for another edition, for another episode.

939
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,760
Look forward to being with you on
the bet Us Boxing Show. Look

940
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,079
forward to seeing Virgil Ortiz back in
the rain coming Saturday night. Yes,

941
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:19,119
sir, see you on the bet
Us Show and the recap. And don't

942
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,599
get me wrong, I'm still I'm
in the proces of winding up some good

943
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:23,480
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944
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:30,079
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946
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,039
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947
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949
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:46,119
thank you. We'll check you on
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950
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951
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