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Mac. Have you seen this?
Have you heard about this? What's that?

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Hello Fresh has put out a box
that allows you to have the Elf

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experience. Oh boy, the ultimate
Elf meal of all the sugars and maple

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syrups that you want to go with
your cook spaghetti. Okay, all right?

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Do you want some? I don't
personally, no, I don't think

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that's gonna work for me. Did
you get your outfit from that Elf box?

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Yes? The Hello Fresh head overalls
in a sweater. I know that

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you said you didn't want any,
but go ahead and check under your seat.

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That's a joke. We don't have
the budget for that. But we

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are here at the Alamo Draft House, joined by the community Marketing Manager East

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Coast, Alex Sheebar. You guys
are showing Elf constantly right now, the

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anniversary. It's Elf season for us, you know, every day all day.

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That's not actually true, but lots
of screenings. We love Elf here

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at Almadraft House. But I also
have found that there are some other Elf

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products. You have Elf syrup,
fla favored goldfish which that doesn't sound bad

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in your Hello Fresh box. No
stop, get over the Hello Fresh all

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right? Also, if I wanted
to make pasta with all this sugar.

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I could just make that myself.
Yeah, there's a lot of people that

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throw a ton of sugar in their
red sauce. Really, that's a thing.

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Yeah, that's a thing. My
nona would not like that. I

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bet she puts sugar in her red
sauce, just not much. I've never

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referred to my grandmother as my nonah, So I apologize to both you guys.

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I'm being disingenuous across the board.
I'm nervous to be in this beautiful,

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beautiful theater. Yes. I was
just opened up down the seaport.

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Yes, And I have been so
excited to come here because you guys did

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work with WBZ News Radio over the
summer. We did free Friday flicks,

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and every week it was just we're
gonna open soon, We're gonna open soon,

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and finally, finally we are here. I don't understand it's still February,

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right. We opened exactly when we
said we would see no problems.

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One good three Yeah, job three. King of Queen MARYL. Street Entertainment,

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I'm good and we are the Mac
and Goo program. We bring you

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friendship, and today we're adding a
third to our friendship. Yes, once

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again, Alex shee Bar of the
Alamo Draft House. I agreed to know

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friendship. I don't understand where this
is coming. When you agree to my

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email, it says at the bottom, very very fine print, you need

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to incorporate friendship in This movie is
all about friendship. Actually, you know

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what? Family? Family, That's
what it really is. Actually, the

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writer of the movie, David Berumbach, says, it's about a father son

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relationship at its core, which I
thought about afterwards. I'm like, you

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know what it really is, father
son. So it's his father and him,

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and then his father I believe passed
away and now it's him and his

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sons. And as someone who watches
this movie every single year with his mother

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and now sharing the movie with my
three year old son, who absolutely loves

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it, I fully understand that.
Yeah, that's that's an experience I haven't

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had yet. So it's interesting to
think about. You know, when you

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first watched this in two thousand and
three, yeah, what fourteen fifteen maybe,

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and you have a different experience with
that movie then, and now that

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you're a father, I'm sure you're
having a different speaking as a father,

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you mind if I take the floor
and speak as a father real quick like

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this is a movie, and not
to compare it to other ones, but

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say, if you have this and
you have home alone, I'm not showing

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my son home alone. Well,
I think he'd have fun with it.

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He also might try and kill me, whereas this it's him. You know,

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he loves when Buddy throws up in
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the raccoon. You know, silly
things like that, not putting Christmas orn

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in on the floor for me to
then step on. How many tarantulists do

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you have in your house? It's
any more than zero, probably don't show.

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Oh that would be if he became
obsessed with spiders all of a sudden,

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that would be real bad news for
that'd be great for there wrote and

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filled area that I live in.
So today we are talking about Elf.

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Elf came out on November seventh,
two thousand and three. This movie was

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made on a budget of thirty three
million dollars and it doesn't feel like that

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at all. Well, I think
the budget actually helps it in the fact

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that it's so well paced. And
it's well paced because they had to get

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all of their shots in there not
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for sure. And it ended up
grossing a total of two hundred twenty

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million worldwide, one hundred and seventy
three domestic. That's a gold mine for

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a studio right there. That's I
mean, we've seen with John Favro,

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since you make a movie like that
that makes that much money, you can

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kind of do whatever you want.
You've also seen since this movie, and

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it was really in the ten years
after where there were the the push for

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the live action Let's try and make
another Elf movie, Let's try and make

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another Christmas classic. And while you
know I have a soft spot say for

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Fred Klaus, it's not the same
movie. It's not as good. Big

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Vince Vaughn fan, is that what
you're? Big? Vince von day all

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day? It's Vince Vaughan all day, every day. And I think Vince

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Vaughn did he have a hand in
Favreau getting this job? He did.

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Yeah. One of the Alex I
don't know if you've seen the Movies That

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Made Us series on Netflix. I've
seen parts of it. One of the

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episodes is Elf and they talk about
how they get John Favreau to sign onto

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the movie. It was they had
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and he was working on Old School
at the time, and Vince Vaughn said,

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hey, how about this guy for
the director? Obviously he him and

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Favreau made swingers. So that's how
they made that connection, which is pretty

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much that. It's interesting. Can
we talk about Favreau just for a hot

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second, because what can't that man
do? He's like, Oh, I'm

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gonna reinvent Christmas, I'll reinvent Disney, I'll reinvent Star Wars, I'll reinvent

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Marvel. Just across the board that
he builds foundations of incredible films. I

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mean truly amazing when you look back
on directors that have changed cinema. I

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don't think he gets enough credit,
right, And going into this one,

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he had just been he had just
directed made and that's it. So this

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was his second movie starring Vince Vaughn, right, and then off the back

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of this that's when he did take
off. And like, I think we've

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talked about this in the past,
but like we've done like the Dork Hall

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of Fame. Yeah, he is
a first ballot Hall of Famer. Sure,

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yeah, just for what he has
put into these characters. For sure.

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Yeah. Well, so let's talk
about the nuts and bolt of this

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movie. Yeah. Elf is a
PG adventure comedy, family fantasy romance,

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and I think one of the best
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things about the movie is it's not
one thing. It's not just a comedy,

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and actually it's not just an adventure
horror wise. This was New Line

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Cinema, which of course was known
for horror. Yeah, and they didn't

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really know what to do with something
like this. They also weren't a great

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place in two thousand and two,
two thousand and three, so that's why

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a big reason why they took a
chance on this movie. Elf is a

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run time of ninety seven minutes.
Again, a huge strength to this movie

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is it's pacing and the fact that
it's an hour and a half. Yeah,

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short and sweet on Rotten Tomatoes,
roddy t's eighty six percent from the

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critics only seventy nine percent from the
audience. I don't understand that at all.

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Who is pulling that? Who is
who is looking at this film and

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being like, not for me?
It makes no sense. I just can't

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look at that face anymore. So
would the would the people be giving the

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review say after Will Ferrell had like
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like twenty ten, where people had
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they were getting a little sick of
them, and they're like, oh,

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you know what, I don't really
care for this one because at the time,

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like Farrell wasn't a movie start,
He'd done almost nothing. Yeah,

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it was SNL night at the Roxbury. He Austin Powers Old How dare you

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neglect his Austin Powers cameo Old School
had just come out. Yeah, so

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this was when he was fresh.
This was his first starring role, and

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I think he knocks it out of
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And we'll talk about it in a
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if you ever could have found anyone
to do Buddy the Elf the way that

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Will Ferrell does it, which is
what makes the movie. We mentioned him

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at the top. This movie's written
by David Berenbaum, who moved to Hollywood

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in the early nineties and this was
his first ever you know IMDb writing credit,

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first thing that actually sold, and
since then he really hasn't found much

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success. He wrote the Haunted Mansion
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think a year after this one.
I was gonna say which one, because

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he wrote that Tim Allen Zoom movie, which is horrible. It's a terrible

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movie. Tim Tim Allen is like
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It's pretty bad. Was like ages
on that one two and five that I

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have never heard of, And that's
something that people, if it was any

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good, would speak highly of,
like, oh, you know what was

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ahead of its time was this Tim
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that sky High Yeah, that sky
High Rocket or one of those ones.

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Jim. And since this movie,
he really hasn't found any success. That's

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really those two titles are the only
two titles I thought you guys might know.

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Uh. He is doing the upcoming
Frost of the Snowman movie, so

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I don't know if they're going to
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it with stop motion. That remains
to be seen. But the interesting thing

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about Baron Baum is he grew up
Jewish, so obviously didn't celebrate Christmas,

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but he grew up loving Christmas movies, and he lost his father young around

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the holiday season, so Christmas meant
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became his pet project, his baby. So uh and speaking to what Goose

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said earlier, you know, he
wrote this movie as a son, you

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know, so in his eyes when
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And now he's a father and gets
to show it to his kids,

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and it means means something completely different
to him now, which is great.

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Obviously, this movie is directed by
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After this, he did zeph Thura, which didn't do much, so

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a little bit of a gap there. But then obviously the Man of Break

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You're unofficial Jumanji wonderful as it was. Then we get Ironman, Iron Man

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Two Cowboys and Aliens, which obviously
didn't do well. The movie Chef,

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which actually, other than the Ironman
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up there too. Chef is one
of the most underrated movies that's come out

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in the last decade. I love
that movie. Uh. He did the

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Jungle Book remake and the Lion King
remake, which I don't know. I

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didn't love either of those movies,
but Jun facing the Lion King, I

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would say, but they kicked off
Disney Live Action. It was a gigantic

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change in Disney's strategy for sure,
and I wonder he's just kind of I

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think he can do whatever he wants
at Disney, obviously talking about The Mandalorian

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the Book of Boba Fett, which
he was the writer or the creator on

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both of those shows. He had
a love growing up for the Christmas classics

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by Ranking Bass, and so when
he got hired for this movie, his

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big thing was wanting this movie to
feel timeless and feel like those Rank and

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Bass original stop motion movies. It's
great and I feel like over time that

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has just proven itself even more where
I do think this movie has gotten better

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with each year and since then,
since twenty oh three, I don't think

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don't you dare laugh? I hate
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that we have had a Christmas well. I think we've had one Christmas classic

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sense and excited to know what you
think. Klouse, I was gonna talk

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Klaus close is I think Klause.
Although it does get a little silly at

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points, I think is the best
Christmas movie that we've gotten since ol and

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maybe the only Oh it's wonderful it
is it'll hearts an yeah, and it's

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a sportsman. Jake Case Simmons.
It's a cool animation too. Yeah,

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it's almost like old school hand drawn
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so it doesn't feel it feels,
you know, like a storybook come

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to life, and it's this great
story about a postman and you're just like,

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this is what I'm watching, you
know, Scandinavian Town about a postman

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and a toymaker, and it is
so good start to finish. I'm gonna

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have to put that Norm McDonald also
in there. I really yeah love that

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as a fisherman or a sailor.
I'm not sure what he's what he's up

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to. Lock that in for me. I'll watch that this week. Might

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be on Netflix. Okay, that's
good to know. It's a good recommendation

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for the folks. Elf. Let's
get to the synopsis. Raised as an

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oversized ELF buddy travels from the North
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biological father, who doesn't know he
exists and is in desperate need of some

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Christmas spirit simple fish. Yeah,
yeah, it works, it works really

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really well. And I think speaking
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first like twenty minutes, fifteen minuts, he's on the North Pole. I

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love the look of that because he's
so gigantic, and Favreaux also didn't want

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they use CGI, So it's a
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and they used what's the technique force
perspective they use in there, which works

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so so well. Yeah. Also, I believe they had a lot of

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red flags from the studio because they're
like, are you borrowing this or are

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you stealing because the costume is the
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Rudolph. Yes, all right,
this movie stars. We'll talk about the

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stars, and then we'll talk about
the supporting cast looking through this honestly,

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one of the greatest supporting casts there's
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especially a lower budget with all the
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this so straight. Yeah, and
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well. There's a scene with con
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he wanted to be grumpy the entire
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test done in screaming, you can
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he couldn't keep it together. So
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going. You know, he loses
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the camera because he just lost it. But beyond that, he's perfect as

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this sour need of Christmas cheer figure. That was also the scene where I

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son. I now like this has
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the cotton balls and wouldn't listen to
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oh, now I fully understand a
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also plays a bit like how Michael
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where it's the stoic actor who is
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a Shakespearean play. It doesn't matter
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matter if he's acting with puppets.
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way. And James Khn does that
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for Buddy the Elf, you're almost
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was a star. I'm trying to
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don't think I can. No,
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a prostitute. Oh why a lady
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and the writers were like, you
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friendly movie. I feel like this
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one guy in the back was just
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prostitute? Hey, guys, I
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Maybe pipe down, save that for
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fantastic, he's so good. And
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you just hit the Minnesota accident,
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Hobbes is great as the foil for
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the Gimbals manager. And there's a
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Netflix show, they wanted Wanda Sykes
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even says Wanda on pretty good right
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also phenomenal. Amy Sedaris is deb
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but when you see his face,
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Richter is Morris, Kyle Gass is
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Artie Lang is Gimbal. Santa is
unbelievable. Yeah, And actually there's a

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funny joke in the Honest trailer for
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Lange just says, sidekicks, you've
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two thousand film, it's like,
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from something. Yes, that's the
entire list right there. There's also a

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nice little uh casting of the kid
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of the elves buds on the north
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talked about this movie a couple times
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do because we've sort of run out
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need to stop this vault series.
What the crowd keeps saying to I just

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get there screaming outside. It's a
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a certain year and then talk about
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year, and at the end nominate
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Twitter or x now. And this
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was one of our final four for
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and Finding Nemo. This came in
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much you know, old School might
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this is way more timeless than all
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thinking back to two thousand and three, that's all anybody voted for Yeah,

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probably until the forty year old Virgin. Actually know, until Anchorman came out.

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I think everyone only just quoted Old
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with that because old School is definitely
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watch Elf ten times more than well. Now, yeah, we also talked

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about this. We did a Christmas
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movies. Our final four for that
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at Christmas, Carol, and The
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our night Christmas. Yeah, the
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more our taste playing into it.
It's a wonderful life. Probably should have

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been nominated. People would mention Diehard. I argue, it's not a Christmas

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movie where you stand on there,
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party. It really said it at
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I think is in a discussion a
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Two favorites come Christmas time, and
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go and look at. I just
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Me. Vulture ranked Elf the twenty
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Pure insanity. I think you could
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or seven movies over it. I'm
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I don't. I have no idea
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twenty seven Rudolph movies. Shiny New
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where he meets Shiny New Year,
two, Miser Cold Meser, One Year

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Without a Santa Claus. Just about
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and I think most people you would
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four or five. Yeah. I
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older stuff, which I understand,
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doesn't help it out. This is
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while Home Alone two doesn't have that
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murder House at the end might be
my favorite Christmas thing. It does have

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one hundred percent more Donald Trump.
So you go right ahead, gud This

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is a point you brought up that
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In consideration, I think the original
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Farley, and obviously it's of the
era of Jim Carrey too. Would this

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movie have been better or worse with
those two castings? So with Farley it's

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a completely different movie. And I
feel like, and obviously we don't know

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because we've never seen a cut with
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the stuff of Farley playing Shrek,
and that's completely different than what Mike Myers

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is. Yes, to the point
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could have had the childlike wonderment and
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a movie that we remember, I don't

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think it would have been a timeless
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which is the wonder because it's easy
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Farley or Jim Carrey because they're looking
for adult children. I'm looking for people

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who can, you know, throw
a tantrum or you know, feel larger

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than life at the same time as
like a three year old feels larger than

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life because it's so much energy and
power. But neither of them has the

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innocence or the wonder or the sweetness
that Will Ferrell brings. The word I

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keep coming back to is like this
wholesomeness beautiful, which I don't think the

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other two have, and Will Farrow
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think Farley kind of had it,
but you needed a sidekick with him,

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like a Chris, like a David
Chris Baide, like David Spade, who

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can like poke at him and like
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sure because when Farley was off on
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that same feel. Plus, did
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this fact. This is not Will
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was famous. He was a mall
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They were both coming up in the
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told many stories about it andredible,
that's awesome. So the rumor with Jim

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Carrey not doing it, and I've
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Farley stuff is in the Netflix special. But the stuff with Jim Carrey is

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that he was doing the Grinch and
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Christmas things. You know, that's
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insane, but that no one's insane. And that one's a bit more crass.

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that movie did well too. After
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think was in the early part of
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looked at this movie and was like, oh boy, we got to capitalize

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on the Frank the Tank and didn't
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Frank the Tank. So they had
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re edited it and tried to make
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they couldn't do it. The footage
wasn't there. So they're like, we

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didn't shoot that movie. You can't. You can try, you can't edit

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something that isn't there, setting it
swear beliefs and random times they're like,

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look out, look at his mouth. They were actually adding in footage from

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Old School, just putting it in
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him running through the streets, like
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Didn't know Luke Wilson was in this
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they cast Farrell, their next role
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they wanted Gary Sandley, which would
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he could have been as mean but
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hatred and anger towards Buddy. But
altoately, when I was young and I

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saw this film, like con scared
me so like, I mean, you

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know, maybe flashbacks to my own
father, which you're not getting into this

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podcast, but like that's actually why
you're here, great, wonderful. I

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had no idea, but like I
remember being like, I don't know if

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Gary Shanling if I looked at it
ever looked at that man and been like,

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well, the cast and crew was
also very afraid of James con sure,

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James, God, I would be
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couple of years ago, two three
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Will Ferrell characters. Okay, we
had Buddy the Elf ranked number two behind

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Ron Burgundy, which I think that's
that's an absolute fair ranking. Uh So,

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getting back to your point, gu
has there been a Christmas class since

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this movie? So they tried with
Violent Night. And while I appreciate Violent

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Night, I think that's a fun
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Christmas movie. No, I mean, after you know, Bad Santa is

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maybe the only thing I can think
of that sort of bridge that gap of

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like adult Christmas movie, Like let's
take out all the sweetness and wonder and

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childhood fun and we'll just make it
like crass and violent and angry. And

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there have been ones that have enjoyed, but they're not classics. They're just

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kind of there for the moment to
be like, oh, this is crampis

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a movie about Crampus, and they're
like, great, that was the tag

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on the movie. Nailed it in
one. Yeah. So, and Bad

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Santa even works only because of Billy
Bob Thort. Anyone else you'd be like,

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what are we watching here? So
I don't have a class, was

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my answer. You asked me this
question earlier, That's the one I was

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bringing. You stole it from me. Thanks, that's great. Sorry,

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I that was a movie. I
think my son was like one at the

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time, and like, oh an
animated movie. Let me put this on

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for you, and then I'm sitting
there watching like this is fantastic. It

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truly is two thousand and three.
By the way, you get Bad Santa

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as well and also love. Actually, yeah, great year for for a

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Christmas movie special there. I have
heard that the new Paul Giamatta movie The

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Holdovers is almost an instant Christmas class
Now that's interesting, but obviously for an

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older crowd. It is said at
Christmas, it's one So you've seen it.

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I've seen it. We haven't seen
it. It's fantastic. You know,

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Giomani is best. Geomony is one
of these actors that like everything you

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see him in he's fantastic, and
then you forget him out immediately. He's

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like, why are you not in
more movies? What are you doing?

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Paul Giamonni like, yes, it's
very sad and very it's it's it's kind

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of like got that dead Poet's thing
going for that, where like it's inspirational

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and it's all about obviously a prep
school and uh there's connections made and people

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grow as characters, etcetera, etcetera. But it's not like a super cheerful,

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fun movie. I wouldn't throw it
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be like, this is not my
entertainment for the So there's not a ton

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of like rewatchability to it. I
guess that is what you're saying. Do

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you like? How much? Do
you want to like be sad like it?

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I love it? Then, yeah, you'll you'll enjoy it very much.

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It is. It is a fantastic
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watch it again next year. Okay, that's fair. I have heard it's

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one of the best movies of the
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I've been putting together my list and
it's it's definitely top ten. I have

403
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.480
to figure out where it's gonna go. Here's a good question for you.

404
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.119
So we go back and forth on
this. Our top two right now is

405
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.200
Oppenheimer and across the Spider Verse.
Okay, I don't know where you stand

406
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.559
on those two. Absolutely those are
big top five. Yeah, all right,

407
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.680
there's there's I haven't seen Killers of
the Flower Moon yet. I think

408
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:36.920
it just hits streaming, so that's
my next It's really really good. I

409
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.200
have it just a smidge below,
say Oppenheimer. Okay, that's interesting.

410
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.680
I did Barbenheimer when that actually came
out into the whole five hours back to

411
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.240
back again. Oh no, you
do Oppenheimer. Then, Barbie, it's

412
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.200
dinner than dessert. There is no
other option. I will hear no.

413
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.680
I yield the rest of my time. I will hear no. Rebuddal that's

414
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:57.960
true. Imagine having coming off the
high of Barbie going into Oppenheimer. I

415
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:02.839
would just crush your soul. Barbie. But like Barbie Barbers, Yeah,

416
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:10.079
that's true. That's the main difference. I liked Barbie a lot more than

417
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:11.480
him. The emotional stuff hit for
me, it didn't really hit for him.

418
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.559
Okay, I saw with my mom, so then I was kind of

419
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.160
overwhelmed with my mom sobbing and I
was like, well now I'm crying,

420
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:22.039
thanks mom. All Right, so
we talked about Christmas classics. Now let's

421
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:27.039
talk about like two thousands classics comedies. Okay, obviously I wouldn't say this

422
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:33.519
is as funny as barrat Stepbrother's Anchorman, But because it's so good, I

423
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.640
think you could argue it's in that
top tier. Now. I made two

424
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.039
tiers, so there might be eight
tiers, five tiers, however you want

425
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.440
to do it. But I have
a tier one of like two thousands classic

426
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:47.200
comedies, and you tell me what
I'm missing or what shouldn't be in there.

427
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.200
I have Stepbrothers, Borat Anchorman,
super Bad, and Mean Girls.

428
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.319
I think that five sort of defines
that, you know, eight to ten

429
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.319
year period, and I would have
this just a tier below with like forty

430
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.720
year Old Virgin, Wedding Crash.
There is Jackass, I Love You man

431
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.599
in Old School. I think I
have those just a step below that the

432
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.839
top five. So number one Jackass
two is better than Jackass one, fair

433
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.920
enough. Also, I think forty
year Old Virgin is in the tier one.

434
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.599
I think that kicked off the R
rated comedy decade, which was just

435
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:22.480
Gangbusters. And that's the only thing
I'll say about that is the last thirty

436
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:23.799
minutes. It's a little long.
Yeah, yes, it goes a little

437
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.480
long. But that's what an appata
movie is. Yeah, that's true and

438
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.720
also true. I mean think back
to you know hockey, like in the

439
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.640
locker room, what was the movie
that we quoted the most. No,

440
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.559
for sure that it was the forty
year Old Virgin. Yeah, I like

441
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.319
the ones who just named you're just
basically reading Will Ferrell's holography. That is

442
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.359
that's a huge point too. You
just dartboard at his sort of IMBB page.

443
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.359
You're like, well, that's a
class. It's like Will Ferrell,

444
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:49.920
and then you start to get into
like Paul Rudd stuff, and like that's

445
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.319
a whole fifteen year period. Well
it's like Will Ferrell and then like all

446
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.839
of his friends. So it's like
it's kind of sprinkling out. Yeah,

447
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.319
all right, let's get into the
gauntlet goo fun. Fact? Does this

448
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.839
movie define fun? Is this the
most fun movie ever? It is ninety

449
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.160
seven minutes of just fun. I
don't think it is like I would say

450
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.279
fun factor wise, I would have
it below say like a Back to the

451
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.440
Future, where I think that movie
is just wall to wall. It's like

452
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.240
different fun, it's different kinds of
fun. But this is just very simple.

453
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:26.400
Will Ferrell as perfect casting with the
counter of his fuddy duddy daddy yep,

454
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:32.039
and with the small budget, and
they had to only get so much

455
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:37.519
footage. It's quick, it's brisk. They change the scenes enough. It's

456
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.880
very very well done. You know
why I will actually give you credit for

457
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.039
running the goonlet of fun that this
is it is that this movie works at

458
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.000
any age. You were nine you
were ninety, you will laugh, yeah,

459
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:48.920
laugh at different things, which I
agreed. Back to the future,

460
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.279
I probably had more fun watching.
But if I was like fourteen, I'd

461
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.319
be like, what am I watching
here? Like I want to play with

462
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.480
swords. I guess that's what I
did at fourteen. And you know what,

463
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.759
even like background so to that point
in college, my college roommate was

464
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.720
from New York, just outside of
New York City. His the hardest,

465
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.319
he laughs, is when Buddy gets
hit by the cab, because he's like,

466
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.519
that's so realistic, you know,
it's like that, just that little

467
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.680
touch is so good. That's how
you know you're a New Yorker is when

468
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.240
you've been robbed, you need a
bad celebrity, and you've been hit by

469
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.359
a cab. It's those three things
you have officially become a New york Also,

470
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.839
the guy that Will Ferrell says,
Santa two on the street, he

471
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.359
didn't even know him. That's awesome. Yep, is this a random guy

472
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.480
in the street. That's great.
It's like Billy on the Street way before.

473
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:37.039
But you talked about quotability. This
movie for being as maybe not on

474
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.599
that upper tier of comedy is insanely
quotable. Almost every scene has as something

475
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.559
requotable from it. You talk about
Cottonhead and Nitny Muggins when he gets scared

476
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.920
by the jack in the box.
That kills me every time. The line

477
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.720
about the race pizza being the race
pizza, that's an awesome line that you'd

478
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:57.279
never even would think to put it
in there. You get it. Yeah,

479
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.960
you saying that you don't see Santa
and you all aways go sat up.

480
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.440
Yeah, I know him. I
can't not say it. It's hope

481
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:10.559
you find you're dead. That's John
Fabre is it. Yeah, smiling is

482
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:15.279
my favorite. I'm singing. I'm
singing. Every single interaction with Faison love

483
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.839
is absolutely gold amazing. You sit
on a throne of lines. I think

484
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.640
I might quote that one the most. It's a great quote. Oh he's

485
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.440
an angry elf. I always Francisco, Francisco. That's fun to say out

486
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.359
of the elf. What's your favorite
color? Like? It's the whole movie

487
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.799
from top to bottom is so cornable. Son of a Nutcracker. That's another

488
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.359
one that's great. You walk into
an elevator and you just see all the

489
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:42.079
buttons and you just have that instinct
to just like fingers all the way down,

490
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.759
it's like, all right. One
of the funniest things that has been

491
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.680
that was originally pointed out I think
in one of those like honest trailer type

492
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.000
videos is the guy that he drinks
with in the mail room. It's supposed

493
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:53.960
to be like twenty six years old. That man looks like he's fifty five.

494
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.720
That's Hans Mallman. I'm thirty two. Alcohol has ruined my life?

495
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.799
Uh, satisfactor. How satisfying is
this movie? To you? Guys?

496
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.759
It's wildly satisfying. But I will
say that the end it is them trying

497
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.799
to find an ending almost and although
I don't love it like I love I

498
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.319
think the ending of Home Alone is
way more satisfying. Yeah, that's true,

499
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.799
but true this movie needed to end, and that is that's a good

500
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.200
Christmas spirit Christmas movie ending. Yeah, there's a family, there's a successful

501
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.160
business. James Gone is happy.
What more do you want? Yeah?

502
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.640
The real satisfying thing, I guess
is James Kahn. He starts singing,

503
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.559
he makes that switch and he finally
like opens up his heart. But also,

504
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.680
why wasn't he singing like he just
met Santa Claus. He's a curmudgeon.

505
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.559
I know, but he just met
Santa Claus. It's not like you

506
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:48.359
know, he hadn't met him yet. Borahmer. If you were looking at

507
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.440
this as a meter of bor Alex, was there any ticking on the meter

508
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.160
at no point? It's ninety minutes
of like insanity and wildness and manic craziness

509
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.440
for Christmas, like we be bored. We say this so often, is

510
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.039
that if you can get a movie
to ninety minutes, we'll almost always accept

511
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.240
it. It's the perfect length right
there. It is. That's how long

512
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.000
a dream is. Honestly, like, even if you don't love a movie

513
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:14.119
or borderline, if you borderline disliked
a movie and it was eighty eight minutes,

514
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.759
you're like, I'm not even that
upset. No, no, no,

515
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.480
I've watched TV shows that are longer
than at this point, and that's

516
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:22.160
one of thirty. So let's dance
Halloween. This is us misconstruing the words

517
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:28.400
ween and Wayne Alex. Has this
movie waned over time to you? No?

518
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.960
In fact, it's gotten better yes
by Christmas? Why you know?

519
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.039
Does it have something to do with
Zoe deschanelisn't on TV anymore? So I

520
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:37.799
don't have to be annoyed by her
constantly, and this is like a lovely

521
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.279
take. Yeah, maybe this is
about the level I could take of that

522
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.200
woman. And there it is.
Yeah, No, it's it's only gotten

523
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.440
better all time. Great rewatchability.
Yes, this and Home Alone are the

524
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.279
only two that I watched multiple times
during the Christmas season. Equator equator is

525
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.720
this? Is this movie better or
worse or the same as twenty seventeen's Aquaman.

526
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.920
It's a tough call. Better.
I know you guys show Aquaman every

527
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:07.240
December. Here in classic tradition,
people come and float ees, It's wonder,

528
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:12.640
bring your trit as to the raft, No weapons in the pants,

529
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.279
tent city, Excite bike Mania.
This is the PG way of saying,

530
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.240
did anything in this movie get you
going? Really really stir you up?

531
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:27.440
No, to put it, That's
totally fine. I'm not thrown by the

532
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.519
question. I'm more interested in your
answers because if there's a yes coming,

533
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.720
this podcast is going to run a
little longer. To keep it PG,

534
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.839
no, to give it to be
honestly, to say. PG thirteen the

535
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.839
singing in the shower scene. All
right, sure, all right, fair

536
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.519
a little bit cu Max credit Union. This is the segment of our program

537
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.640
where I give credit to someone that
made the movie or in the movie.

538
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.400
Obviously Will Ferrell is the obvious answer. But I would say this script is

539
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.759
pretty great. The writing is really
good, the joke telling is great.

540
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.480
So I got to give David Berenbaum
his credit because he never found success.

541
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.440
Again, I want to give Will
Ferrell more credit because, like we already

542
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.680
talked about earlier, I don't think
anyone else could have pulled off this wide

543
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:15.119
eyed, wholesome, silly character and
made you want to watch it again.

544
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.880
Yeah. Yeah, because there's also
a point of if someone else is doing

545
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.559
this, you're like, oh,
that wasn't bad, but you're not going

546
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.559
to want to watch it again.
He plays it so well, Yeah,

547
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:28.199
he really does. He also,
obviously John Favreau has to get some credit

548
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.440
here. Yeah. I just read
a book about the rise of MC of

549
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.000
Studios, which was phenomenal, and
you learned how much he was just pushing

550
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.239
for this vision because you're dealing with
suits, you're dealing with being character.

551
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:43.760
Yeah, the character, that's exactly
right. And then the podcast, now,

552
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.519
yeah, we're good. You nailed
it. You nailed it on a

553
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.440
terrible pun, and so I obviously
I haven't looked into this, but I

554
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.880
imagine, especially if it's new line
is putting this together, you need a

555
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.159
director who's like, I have this
decision, I want this to come out

556
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.559
this way, and I know what's
going to work. And he did.

557
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.239
Yeah. His number one thing was
for this to be timeless, and he

558
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.639
nailed it and nailed it. Yeah. Success, all right, hot dogs,

559
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.679
hot dogs, Alex. I know
this was briefly explained to love this.

560
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.760
We rate things on a forty hot
dog rating stuff, and everyone,

561
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.360
I'm shocked to hear you even need
to do you give something a forty.

562
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.079
It's the best movie roughly you've ever
seen. I'll go first. If you

563
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.000
don't mind, you know what,
I'll let you go first. That's fine.

564
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.039
So this Fish out of Water in
New York City is perfectly executed by

565
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.239
Will Ferrell. His physical comedy in
two thousand and three is peak. It's

566
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.360
peak Will Ferrell. Beyond Will Ferrell. The supporting cast is call it time

567
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.440
out real quick. Yeah, have
you ever seen Old School? On mute?

568
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.679
I've not seen Old School. I
cannot recommend that enough. Will Ferrell

569
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:46.199
is unbelievable. Just the facial expression
is when he's doing the toiral stuff.

570
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.559
Okay, that's the best part.
Actually, I would say the pool party,

571
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.679
the party stuff with him like it's
it's so good, it's so good.

572
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:59.440
But I do that way more than
i'd like time in Beyond fare,

573
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.360
the supporting cast in this movie is
incredible. There's like twelve to fifteen great

574
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.199
characters in here. Some of them
get thirty seconds, some of them get

575
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.440
three minutes, and they do a
really good job of painting this pessimistic New

576
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:14.159
York City up against Buddy's glee.
It's a really good they're really good foils

577
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:15.440
for each other. Yeah, And
as funny as this movie is, it's

578
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.519
ultimately defined by its heart, which
is why I think it makes for me

579
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.519
the best Christmas movie ever. The
feel good moment during the conclusion when everyone's

580
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.519
singing like it's a bit corny,
but it's Christmasy as well, and Christmas

581
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.920
is kind of corny obviously, it's
hysterical as well. We talked about the

582
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.199
comedies. There's actually a decent little
romance story in here too. It's not

583
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.840
a bad rom com between him and
Jovie. But I think what takes this

584
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:43.039
from like being a great movie to
all time great is the pacing. There's

585
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.239
no moment wasted in this movie from
beginning to end. It's ninety seven minutes.

586
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.760
Whatever it is, it's perfect,
perfectly paced. So while maybe it's

587
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.400
not a forty out of forty comedy
or a forty out of forty family movie,

588
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.960
I think when you consider all the
outside factors and the fact that it's

589
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.519
like clearly my number one Christmas movie, I had to give this forty hot

590
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:05.320
dogs and I very rarely I nitpick
a lot. I think maybe you could

591
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.239
argue it to thirty nine, but
for me, it's a forty hot dog

592
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.440
movie. Yeah. For me.
First off, I want to give a

593
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:15.400
shout out to Michael for wearing a
Wayne Krabet jersey that's perfectly of the time.

594
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.079
That might be the only thing that
takes it out of being timeless,

595
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.960
because that was the first thing I
looked at him, like, what was

596
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.960
he wearing? Eighty jets? Okay, But like we've already talked about a

597
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.199
million times, Will Ferrell is perfect
in this. It captures the Christmas magic

598
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.119
that they're absolutely going for. And
Favreau wanted he wanted that rankin bass.

599
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.800
He wanted that every year you can
put it on, you can watch it

600
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.960
with your mom, you can watch
it with your dad, you can watch

601
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.480
it with your kid of any age. This movie hits for everybody. It's

602
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.800
one of the most quotable Christmas movies
of all time. You made the point

603
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.719
of making it, you know,
quotable movies of the decade. And I

604
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.880
think as a Christmas movie, this
is pretty perfect as a Christmas movie.

605
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.760
This is a forty hot dog Christmas
movie. If you're talking about just a

606
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.039
movie in general, you might knock
it down to like, you know,

607
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.920
thirty seven, thirty eight because you
can't compare are it. No, yeah,

608
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.519
you can give me if you take
it. We're not tell Chindler's List.

609
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.159
It's a tough comparition. I know
it's tough to compare those movies,

610
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.400
but don't throw it up against the
Christmas backdrop. If you had to evaluate

611
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.760
this in a vacuum as a movie, what's your score? Probably thirty seven

612
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.559
or thirty eight. Okay, all
right, that's fair. But I also

613
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.679
you need to look at the context
of what the movie is fair. I

614
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.880
know, and I'm just saying,
like, like Christmas movie wise, I

615
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.280
don't think you can do better than
what this is. Yeah, yeah,

616
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.760
well so don't you think that it
being like a fifty out of forty Christmas

617
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.639
movie brings it up to forty.
That's not how the skis. Well,

618
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.280
I'm not gonna argue it broke my
brain. Thirty seven thirty eight is a

619
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:45.199
great score. Okay. So this
movie obviously iconic for lots of reasons and

620
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:46.760
has sort of transcended the film itself. I mean, if you're going to

621
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.800
hire someone to be at your your
Christmas party, you're gonna hire a Santa.

622
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.920
You're gonna hire a buddy the Elk. Yeah, they're like, that's

623
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:54.119
it, Like who else would you? I guess a missus Claus. So

624
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.960
you've got three options, maybe a
weird dude in a reindeer suit with like

625
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.440
a glowing red news even that's like
you hire him first. Yeah, that's

626
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:07.440
the first one obviously. And so
I kind of agree with you that it's

627
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.039
hard to take this out of kind
of the Christmas vacuum of like I wouldn't

628
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.599
watch this in like March see I
would, Okay, And that's totally fair.

629
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:16.880
I have a colleague named Bridget who
sets up all of our movie party.

630
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.400
So we're at the Almo draft House. We do elf with props and

631
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.119
you get like hats and snowballs,
and it's really fun. This is the

632
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:29.280
bane of her existence because she has
to do so many shout out Bridget and

633
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.039
so it's really funny to watch her. The only person I know who actually

634
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.920
actively hates this movie. And so
I would give it thirty five syrup filled

635
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.920
hot dogs, the most sweet,
disgusting odd dogs. But I'm giving the

636
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:45.079
extra five just to annoy Bridget.
You get that four full forty? Yeah,

637
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:51.239
just fight, but probably thirty five
your shortlist of greatest Christmas movies ever?

638
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.920
Get what's in the conversation with Elf
for you? So I love Night

639
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.519
Member four Christmas that you brought up, But I think Night Member before Christmas

640
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.119
is a Christmas movie for people who
love Halloween. Halloween movie for people love

641
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.440
Christmas. I think it's the opposite
way there. That's the one I probably

642
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.280
watch more than anything else. I
just think it's weird and wonderful and dark.

643
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.719
I do watch Diehard as a Christmas
movie. I think that you know,

644
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.119
you've got violence and anger and Alan
Rickman. What more would you want

645
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:15.480
for Christmas? That's a great movie. That's a great film. That's right.

646
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.280
So we we've this is seven years, six years of a standing argument

647
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.199
die Hard being a Christmas not being
Christmas movie. I've gotten so deep in

648
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.519
that people think I don't like die
Hard. I love Diehard. I just

649
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.000
draw that line in the sand I
Christmas. I also refuse to have this

650
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:36.719
argument anymore. It's it's the hot
dog is a sandwich argument for movies.

651
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.199
It really doesn't matter. It's at
a Christmas party. Yeah, I mean

652
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:45.159
the second Fas line is him with
the machine gun. Oh yeah, there's

653
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:51.400
the line. Yeah. I think
those are like my mom really loves White

654
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.119
Christmas. She watches that a lot, and that one. That one's sweet

655
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:58.760
and wonderful. I love the old
ranking baths stuff. I don't know if

656
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.239
you are you guys big TikTok people, and if you're not totally fun Okay,

657
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.199
So all the people doing the claymation
like in live action to those songs,

658
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.079
it's incredible to see. I don't
know why this year over any other

659
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.719
year, but they feel like they've
been a ton of them and it's super

660
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.159
nostalgia. Like that's wonderful. I
think, you know, obviously we just

661
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.679
talked about this movie for forty five
minutes, but I think that's what ropes

662
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.119
you into this movie immediately. Is
it feeling like those classics? From the

663
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.199
jump one minute in? It feels
like those ranking and bestmentvies, which is

664
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.280
great. Yeah. I did update
my Christmas list? Do you want to

665
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.719
do a top ten Christmas list?
Oh? As a separate podcast because we

666
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.039
need content. We did the vault, but we didn't do the top ten

667
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.880
because we desperately need content. It's
on my lap right now, see it.

668
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.800
I haven't made this list. I'm
going to have to do that.

669
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.639
This is good. Yeah, yeah, So what is your top four on

670
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:45.360
that list? Right? Top four? I mean that kind of gives it

671
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.719
away. I mean already, but
we've all I'll just give my top two

672
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.280
because we've talked about it a million
times. I think you've mentioned it too,

673
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.719
Elfin Home Alone are just the ones
that every single year, and Home

674
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.280
Alone is the other one now that
people start to give, well it's Christmas.

675
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.840
No, that is there's a movie
that you cannot tell unless it's Christmas.

676
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.159
The only so because they bring this
up as a counter to the to

677
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:14.000
the Diehard argument is Diehard could happen
any other number of times a year,

678
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.719
which I think I think there's like
seven or eight other times during the year.

679
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.559
You could set diehard and it would
work. Ye, Home Alone only

680
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.800
works during Christmas time or Thanksgiving.
It has to be that draw. Maybe

681
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:29.360
it has to be the hectic travel. Which hectic travel, It's it only

682
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.559
like one two three times a year. That's why I think Home Alone is

683
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.159
more of a Christmas movie. But
you could make the diehard argument against you

684
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:43.039
heard it there first, Home Alone
a hectic travel time movie. All right,

685
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.320
so I guess that'll do it for
this episode of MAC and do Alex,

686
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:50.199
would you like to plug yourself?
Hello? Yes, all right,

687
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.679
let's do that. I'm Alex.
I'm at Alex shebar s HG B A

688
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:59.039
r on on Instagram and at featuring
Alex on on TikTok. I do a

689
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.559
movie fact every single day at ten
second movie fact on TikTok every single day.

690
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:05.199
Awesome. So if you want,
you know, nonsense, you can

691
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.239
do That's that's that's featuring Alex on
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692
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.559
else, it's nonsense. Yeah,
there it is that well, I got

693
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plenty of it for you. And
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694
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706
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have some more Christmas fun or maybe what

707
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.800
have you been watching? Because we
had seven more movies to do that and

708
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.400
if we both see God's Own minus
one, that'll be worth talking about and

709
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:22.920
if you see us next wins it's
rough. Don't give away anything, sorry,

710
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.239
I mean it was a mystery so
much, and love him much,

711
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.280
but you know what, he has
a show called Our Flag Meats Death,

712
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.840
which I'm absolutely loving. So you
know ups and downs of Taiko this year.

713
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.400
I didn't want to give anything away, but it felt like someone wrote

714
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.599
the movie for him and then tried
to put in taikas well. That's exactly

715
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.159
right. I felt like it was
the Mighty Ducks with with him, but

716
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:52.760
neither one was done well, and
you just like, what go one way

717
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.480
or the other, but you can't
do just Fashbender helped the movie at all.

718
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.280
And this is the movie he like, hadn't a movie in like half

719
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.599
a decade because he's been racing and
he came back to make this and then

720
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.519
you're just like, what disappointing?
What are you doing? Brother? Yeah,

721
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.239
I'm gonna come away loving Italy.
I hope you do. I really

722
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:14.280
honestly hope you do. I'm gonna
apologize for it if you don't mind me,

723
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.079
all right, So check us out
next week. Thank you to this

724
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great studio audience. Bye bye bye. Please flip the cassette over to Side

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