WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:17.120 Good night. Good night, it' s seven o' clock with nineteen 2 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:19.640 minutes since Tuesday, April nine. Welcome this day, let me get hit 3 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:24.239 a little bit, and we' re coming. Welcome, Dr Amel Hi, 4 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.320 how about good night, how nice it is to greet you once again. 5 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:33.679 Welcome, dear, Efra Baby girls, what a taste mercury, please 6 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:40.840 calm down, today until thirty, until twenty- five, it' s 7 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:44.159 not gonna happen to me, but well we' re gonna survive our mercury. 8 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:48.079 Retrograde. Thank you for being here with us. Thank you for greetings 9 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:51.280 Angel, aquieros from Medellin. 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We' re 17 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:25.959 going to do Jordahan Brown' s case tomorrow live one in our case, 18 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:33.599 number four of children in conflict, youth, conflict, problems with minors. 19 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:38.519 But very interesting this theme that emerged in broken souls from the case of Derek 20 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.239 Rosa, who still continues that still a lot of discussion, can be found 21 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:48.959 in many videos where they speak. The audience is divided there are many versions, 22 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:52.599 but that' s with respect to the most broken and we' re 23 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.799 also going to look for the most we find by tomorrow and comment that we 24 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:59.519 ' re going to live, so we invite them tomorrow at ten o' 25 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.760 clock at night, or maybe ten and one, but tomorrow I live Hyke 26 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:05.280 is going to be carrying the broken ones. And now we' re going 27 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.879 to start this program today, because this program today we' re going to 28 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:14.240 since we' re in broken souls. We had touched on the subject of 29 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:19.960 Eithne Cramling and have already sentenced the parents no longer have a sentence. You 30 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:24.520 saw him medically, yes, of course. Very impressive, because we are 31 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:30.479 talking about this as an unprecedented subject. Apparently, no responsibility has been falsified 32 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:37.680 in both the father and the mother, and because they do face a sentence 33 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.759 of between ten and fifteen years, nothing more and nothing less, which I 34 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:49.680 think does, because it makes a lot of sense, because we, in 35 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.840 the case that we describe and that well, obviously there is a lot of 36 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:59.280 information in the news, but we did emphasize this responsibility of the parents, 37 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:05.000 starting with who has the gun, who puts it at their disposal, but 38 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:13.000 also in the genesis of this young murderer from the brutal and violent neglect of 39 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:17.759 this pair of parents. Exactly the name and biology to be called that exact. 40 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.439 Go review that case in broken souls, because it has a lot to 41 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.039 do and, indeed, today the news comes out this. He killed four 42 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:30.120 students in the two thousand twenty- one in Knoxfrod Michigan and, as you 43 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:36.680 said, they have sentenced parents from ten to fifteen years of age for manslaughter 44 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:44.199 and are the first parents to be charged and held responsible for this act of 45 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.479 the son' s. There are not many precedents. Tomorrow we will also 46 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:51.319 comment on this case of Jordan Brown, which was in two thousand nineteen, 47 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.560 and how things have been changing with respect to underage children and the responsibility of 48 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:00.080 parents. That case, tomorrow' s one is going to be very complete, 49 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.879 but well, we didn' t want to stop passing this news, 50 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:12.719 which for this channel is important because we have touched on the subject exactly and 51 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.199 it is news, because it is very important, that sets a precedent. 52 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:20.079 That is why it was necessary to mention it. He doesn' t hear 53 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:25.160 and a case that has caught attention. In the last few days there had 54 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.319 been a rumor that it is not even worth repeating regarding Tristan, the son 55 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.319 of already Ir singer and Carlos Iberio, but not the case. We' 56 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.879 re not going to repeat that. But what we' re going to talk 57 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:40.720 about is that speaking of children, of parental responsibility, it' s what 58 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.680 ' s happening with Tristan, which is a we all knew him as a 59 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.720 kid, well, when he was a kid at the academy, he was 60 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.120 a little boy who couldn' t see him there, they took him to 61 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.759 the forum and, well, between that I was already doing his career and 62 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:58.639 no, because we didn' t stop seeing him and we recovered him long 63 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.040 after. But he gets into a wave of Only Fans. Ephraim, you 64 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:04.639 know something there that was going to open Only Fans, after he didn' 65 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.160 t open it anymore. But, because that has problems with addictions and so 66 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:15.639 on I don' t think poor Tristan imagine having everything, but not having 67 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:20.480 anything, that yes, only parents grow up fighting for it all the time. 68 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.800 I' m going, obviously, having I think a life so successful 69 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.600 and with so many tours and all that is, because I couldn' t 70 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:30.879 take care of it. And Tristan grows very lonely and is reflecting Ahorita, 71 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.319 because I only see in Triste an that he is already a man of twenty 72 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:39.439 years, since it is already up to him to go sounding only that it 73 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:43.439 is what we have said here to take the one that costs me work, 74 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.120 because finally he is a person who has problems with addictions and because there the 75 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.439 subject is different, because he has to have a whole system that contains it. 76 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:55.319 No, but I was thinking about the rumor this terrible thing that they 77 00:05:55.519 --> 00:06:00.160 said is how there are characters that can be of someone as weak as Tristan, 78 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.959 that is already wrong, that we are seeing him, that he is 79 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:08.759 suffering, that if the addictions that she already said as a father, I 80 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.279 take a side because I can no longer do more, that it is also 81 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.199 worth. I think there' s a point where, like Dad, you 82 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:16.680 have to say I already might. I' m wrong, because we once 83 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.920 had different views here, because I just see him as a son and as 84 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:28.120 a brother, to say already, like Dad, he' s not here 85 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:32.279 and I' m saying what I was saying is like in a person as 86 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.720 weak as Tristan, who' s as bad as Tristan, who already does 87 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:39.680 then infans that if he' s bisexual, that if he' s not 88 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.399 bisexual, that he is, because they' re also things that I feel 89 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.600 he said is not to get attention, that is, I don' t 90 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.839 even think he' s part of the community. Elejebete or something will lend 91 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:54.240 himself to someone to continue harming a person who is already wrong, that is, 92 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:58.279 under the concept. I think that' s what really worries me and 93 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.519 that' s what' s so wrong. I have to go out and 94 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.879 say not everything you' re saying is not true, it' s done 95 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:09.959 to me is super unfair, that is because if you' re already slandered 96 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.800 you said Lutis gallo, of course, of course, of course, but 97 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.360 you know there' s a big difference. There' s a big difference 98 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:21.279 that a person like me, who already grew up to think and that I 99 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.680 ' m okay identify yourself good for me to say whatever they want. It 100 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.600 ' s not really going to affect me and you have your safe center and 101 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.439 so on. But, as you did not mention, Tristan is one is 102 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:38.920 a young man, vulnerable, who has addiction problems that take him. So 103 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:43.680 many people have gone against Yair for not wanting to support him, for not 104 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.040 continuing to support his rehabilitation and so on. To what extent would it be 105 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:51.680 necessary to leave Sad One alone, so much so that he touches the bottom 106 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.920 of his decision, because it is not the first case. We said it 107 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.160 the other day, when my parents go through a fight for judicial custody in 108 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.160 this lawsuit, they forget that the young people last 18 years and in that 109 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.199 way they will do them a lot of harm. And then you have 20 110 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.120 - year- old adults who say no well, leave him alone. But 111 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.000 then what happened in his childhood and everything else, how you get it right, 112 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.959 notice that yes again the controversy that so pointed out to Ephraim that there 113 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.680 came a moment that the parents already have to say so far look there is 114 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:26.759 no unique answer, because each case is different, because each family moves differently 115 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:33.879 and everyone has their ideas. Personally, I' d say you shouldn' 116 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:39.519 t throw a towel at a child. Never, never, ever, especially 117 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:46.000 when you know that you have a look at yourself, that we were talking 118 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.480 about Ithan Crowley, this responsibility that has been laid on parents with all justice, 119 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.799 because also when you know that there was something that didn' t do 120 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:00.360 all right and that somehow contributes, it doesn' t provoke, but it 121 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.679 helps the child not to develop in the best way and make terrible decisions and 122 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.039 so on. I think there' s a whole story here Notice that a 123 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.480 little bit of an interview appeared to me that I' m going to go 124 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.200 to Patricia Castañeda. I didn' t see her complete interview, but I 125 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.039 did see that little bit where he talks a little bit about this, not 126 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.159 what he gave. Yes, it got out of hand and then we saw 127 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:28.120 that the only possibility was already the rehabilitation centers, where he often does not 128 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.279 want to be and cannot be forced. So, that' s where the 129 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:35.960 problem comes in of a young man who' s already an adult, who 130 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.720 makes his own decisions, and you let him or her force him or her 131 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:43.240 not, is that if there' s no will for him to want to 132 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:45.919 heal, even if you can force him or you get a legal remedy and 133 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:46.879 lock him or her up. If he doesn' t have that desire to 134 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.200 change, it won' t work. And that' s what I do. 135 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.919 Don' t throw in the towel Sorry. I would refer to it, 136 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.519 because I say to try. I know it' s very difficult, 137 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.000 it' s not easy, I understand it, but trying to be close 138 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.440 to at least here I' m not when you want, I' m 139 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.000 still here, I don' t agree with what you do, it hurts 140 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.960 me, it hurts me, it hurts me anything, but I' m 141 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:09.840 still here because I' m going to be your dad or I' m 142 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:11.000 going to be your mom. Until the last day of my life. Notice 143 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:18.120 that, if you' re right, I agree with you that I wouldn 144 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.039 ' t throw in the towel with respect to my son, or anything to 145 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.159 my children. But we have several examples. To see Julio Cesar Chávez Junior, 146 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.879 who also accuses a terrible childhood, a painful ne facia that either hurts 147 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:35.279 him. We' ve got Camilo, Camilo, Camilín Blanes, who' 148 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.399 s in pieces, which the mom says is that they' re looting him 149 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.559 the house is losing everything, and he says I don' t want to 150 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:43.639 heal, I don' t want to rehabilitate. And we have this case 151 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.399 of Tristan that if I' m happy, I keep smoking, I don 152 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.720 ' t know what, and I keep doing and, of course, that 153 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:56.799 ' s easy maybe, not easy, but maybe, it' s very 154 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.799 timely. I don' t know, I don' t know how to 155 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:00.879 qualify it. To say good is that the parents have to be there or 156 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.120 the parents because they let him get to the bottom, when in reality, 157 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.200 the problem is inside those people, the issues they have to heal, inside 158 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.759 there has to be a spiritual work where they have to heal that childhood that 159 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.639 hurt them. So much for that you read. That is why we raise 160 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.159 our voice in cases such as cabezut. If you do what you want, 161 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.960 but what about the little ones, not the little girls. They' re 162 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.919 the ones you' re really hurting. Not then more than the parents. 163 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.480 I think that parents would have to approach you or maybe you could approach it 164 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.559 for stopping consuming or because it does have to be no, that is to 165 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:43.159 say to approach and be defeating you and dad apologizes and dad talks about it 166 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.720 and save it Ephraim is that consuming something finally alone in symptom. No, 167 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.080 because regularly on a case- by- case basis it' s very adventurous 168 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.759 what I' m going to say, but here' s my advisor who 169 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:56.519 won' t tell us. But regularly in these cases, I' m 170 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.759 so angry with my parents that I' m going to destroy. I want 171 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.879 you to see how I destroy myself as long as possible. Not then the 172 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.440 point, for yes, is not to take him to the center, but 173 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.159 to touch that heart of that child who was so wounded, that he is 174 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.080 very angry with his parents. Good as I am. I' ve always 175 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:16.120 thought that parents, even if they' re very good, always give it 176 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.279 away. Then forgive them determinedly and perhaps I say so from my privilege that 177 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.279 he did not have a childhood. Maybe so hard or I was stronger, 178 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.279 I don' t know, but yes, all the Navan parents are going 179 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:30.919 to be wrong and you have to forgive them. But in these cases what 180 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.679 we' re seeing is someone who wants to destroy himself to punish his parents. 181 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.480 Not because, besides, Tristal likes it, he likes to be asked 182 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:43.320 and put in and wrapped to send the images to Yair who hurts, because 183 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:48.360 imagine I think Yair must be disturbed and exactly this week, girls, how 184 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.519 sad. What I' m going to say we don' t differ anymore. 185 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.240 Yeah, I think dads shouldn' t take off the crazy shirt, 186 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.639 because I do think a lot of what' s going on doesn' t 187 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:05.440 happen that as adults, because it' s the responsibility of the ifages we 188 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.440 had, of course, and then everyone, uh, everyone and maybe we 189 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.679 can take a lot of years to heal. But the joke is that there 190 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.759 is that will to heal. When they can realize they' re not going 191 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.639 to hurt, they' re not going to punish or collect from the parents 192 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:20.440 what they did, they' re destroying them. But yes, it is 193 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:26.480 a problem that would be extremely important to raise much more awareness among parents today 194 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.919 to stop punishing children because it uses them to use children as hostages as a 195 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.679 shield. It' s not a saying that you use the shield and then 196 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.320 throw it away. You already won, you throw it away and you go 197 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.159 on with your life, but your son is already hurt, assuming the dad 198 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.799 didn' t want it, that the dad abandoned him, the mom abandoned 199 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.320 him, things that devalue, that lower his self- esteem meter. Yes, 200 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.559 something very serious must have happened there so that, as they say, 201 00:13:54.879 --> 00:14:00.399 it has gone into their hands in such a way, because, yes and 202 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:05.240 there may be a great deal of hostility towards parents and I agree, it 203 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.799 can be, as Ephraim says, among other things, because in the end 204 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.799 it is also, for yes, it is self- destruction. So the 205 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.000 hostility is directed towards the outer objects, real parents, and to the inner 206 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.000 parent objects that I bring in, and that' s why I do it 207 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.320 to myself and you know how many more things. But there also a very 208 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.120 great denial, because he says no, for I am fine no, as 209 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:30.440 why would I want to change, as why would you say heal. He 210 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.919 has to think about healing from what he doesn' t, because he doesn 211 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.480 ' t even seem to be aware of anything. So, like a dad 212 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:41.679 being around at least and trying to rescue the affections can be a way that 213 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:48.120 helps a little. To Teresa Mira I remembered some situations that are different in 214 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.360 form, but they can be very similar in the background of people that I 215 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.399 have known, who say that their mothers, for example, were very bad 216 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.519 moms, were very cold, very detached, they ignored them, I don 217 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.639 ' t know what. And all of a sudden, when this woman, 218 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.759 for example, this man is an adult, gets sick of something very serious 219 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.399 and then that mom comes and takes care of him and takes him to the 220 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:15.080 treatments, she accompanies him well thinks of a strong disease that I don' 221 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:20.600 t want to name, but she needs this kind of periodic treatments not very, 222 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.399 very, very aggressive for the immune system and then that mom is there. 223 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.480 And many times these children say so little. He didn' t take 224 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.720 care of me when I was a little boy He didn' t even show 225 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.200 up and now he says I' ll take you with me. Listen how 226 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.200 good it' s better late than never, because if you have that problem, 227 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.360 then who' s going to cure you, who' s going to 228 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:37.960 take care of you, sorry, who' s going to accompany you. 229 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.799 And of course we must receive it. And that' s where those childhood 230 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:45.720 wounds are often partly repaired. Watch me say Mira. When I was little, 231 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.200 I might not have had the resources to excite them the maturity of intelligence 232 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.440 at best or time. But today that I am living a serious moment, 233 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.039 although I am an adult, how well I like to have the support of 234 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.159 a mother or of course we make it to you that I think it is 235 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:07.320 that the other one that we did a narcissistic parent program with with with Juan 236 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:08.960 and Salazar, is also that it has a lot to do with that and 237 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:14.720 you are right, that is, that father would be that, but when 238 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.440 your same parents did not mature for being parents that I understand we have said 239 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.440 it until tiredness. There are no infallible parents. They do not exist, 240 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:23.600 but there is a time when everyone has to realize that there is something that 241 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.600 is not working well in them, in parents and in children. I think 242 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:34.200 Ephraim is good and taking up the subject of the note, as a society, 243 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:40.159 they will take care of the vulnerable because, in other words, there 244 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:44.039 is a nice plan if he is going to throw fores at us, how 245 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:45.720 nice we touch the subject of Tristan, I mean, we are not playing 246 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:47.440 with him. On the contrary, we are not being in an analysis. 247 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.879 It' s very deep in what' s happening to him. Because, 248 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:55.240 as a society, I do think that throwing out these kinds of notes as 249 00:16:55.320 --> 00:17:00.440 yellow and as unpleasant as what they said last week to be denied is a 250 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.440 vulnerable person, it makes me think, as a society, what rotten is 251 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:10.160 putting this really, that is, occupying the vulnerable to make mockery of him. 252 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:12.000 Let him know who' s likely to have done it. Yes, 253 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.279 because you don' t, you don' t support much, but you 254 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:21.440 also forget that within your environment there may be something like that or that eventually 255 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.200 no one is exempt from a problem. No one was born untouchable. So, 256 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.160 well, that' s a topic I think it' s important to 257 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.960 follow up the children, not the children of and as you say, you 258 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.559 should treat it in a responsible way, not and appeal, because if you 259 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.720 ' re going to talk about this case, listen, because it speaks in 260 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.680 the best way, because it' s not going to destroy what' s 261 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.480 already collapsing. It' s not about that. It' s not about 262 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:49.200 that, says the saying one. Don' t make wood from the fallen 263 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:56.200 tree. Look says Claudia Ogelo. It will always be easy for humans to 264 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:03.480 blame others who assume our own responsibilities and consequences. Mira says prevention and caring 265 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.799 for children is important, not just giving them shelter food, sustenance, reviewing 266 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.359 their emotions and saying affective that I believe that in this generational transition we are 267 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:17.039 living, because that' s how I think we' re dads a few 268 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.160 years back and forward, we' re a transition stage. It' s 269 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.799 up to some parents who didn' t care. That' s why not 270 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.119 and well yes. Besides, look at thinking I just end up with this 271 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.400 thinking. I kept thinking about this right now, but it' s just 272 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:32.640 that he' s an adult, and then he has to take care of 273 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.440 it. Of course I do. Of course we do, but we all 274 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.359 need everyone and the people closest to us and the ones we can most should 275 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:45.599 love our parents. I ask you if you had an adult friend who was 276 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.400 also in trouble, you wouldn' t help him or you would say that 277 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.160 he' s an adult who will fix himself just fine you would do it 278 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.039 for a friend, for God' s sake, like not then for your 279 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.279 son. Yeah, making a net out of a network, because there' 280 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:04.279 s one thing I' m not saying happens in every case, but it 281 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:08.400 might be that your parents have no way of getting close to you, because 282 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.720 this anger the kids have. Anyone can be against their parents, not because 283 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.119 of the upbringing they had, because of the lawsuit they had. But there 284 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:19.440 must be someone in all your surroundings, someone you can trust, not who 285 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.559 you can trust. That I see the case of for example, Camilo Blanes, 286 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.599 because his father dies, he is disoriented, he receives a great, 287 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:32.279 great, great fortune because because he continues to receive money, inherited houses, 288 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:37.279 inherited everything, and because his father' s music remains accurate, he continues 289 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:42.759 to report to him profits and many, because Camilos, this is still heard 290 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:48.880 with a career that he himself could have done as a singer, but very 291 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:49.880 truncated, and his only support that we could see would be the mother. 292 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.119 And maybe, I don' t mean, maybe getting closer to you is 293 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:57.799 impossible, but there must be someone around who can get closer. I don 294 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.400 ' t know. I, I think I set the example of Camilo, 295 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.160 but everyone else, I mean, everyone in life, we can have but 296 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.559 the people I have, because it' s very hard to say is that 297 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.440 my parents hurt me and pretend it' s your parents who get you out 298 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.079 of there is very difficult. It' s not very, it' s 299 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:19.680 very rare, that is to say that existing him there hears he will be 300 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.720 able to contribute financially what his child needs, but it is very difficult for 301 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:23.400 him to be the one to take it out then there has to be someone. 302 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:29.160 There must be someone outside that environment who is not contaminated with painful memories, 303 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.000 who can take out the person who is going through it famous or not 304 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:38.720 and son of famous or unfamous. Of course I' m sorry. I 305 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.519 ' m seeing Abelly Ramos say that the interview with Isabel Lascura and I was 306 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.559 wrong was not to love forgiveness. You' re right. The fragment I 307 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.039 saw is from the interview with Isabel Lascura. Not there with very nice interview, 308 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:52.720 very pretty, very prudent, very I think very good, very empathetic, 309 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:59.759 and cure them. I don' t know a woman that the husband 310 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.200 has until he' s left because he didn' t burn the case until 311 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.799 he lived with him and still has more. He spoke ill to his father 312 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.279 ' s children. They weren' t not that they were not that it 313 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:14.160 is sometimes that it is not to speak exactly the facts speak and, of 314 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.000 course, that you can' t be talking, no, but you can 315 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.559 ' t deny what is evident to that, if you can' t deny 316 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:26.079 what is evident, because in any way you have to protect, that is, 317 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:27.480 human and family relationships. We' ve seen him here. I think 318 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.079 that even reached well, I never tire of talking about it, but we 319 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.799 have seen it exhaustively. They are very difficult and each one is different and 320 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:38.400 each one moves in the same waters, but they swim different. The truth 321 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.640 looks and I' m gonna tell you one thing, girls that I ask 322 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:45.960 you how moms. I do, I think it' s the children' 323 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:48.839 s right to know the truth, that' s if the dad and it 324 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.759 ' s bad stuff. Why are you going to cover for Dad? That 325 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:56.200 ' s my idea, that' s because we' re also suddenly like 326 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.880 kids having pictures of dads that are non- existent. So, then, 327 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.680 why didn' t you tell me the truth but I think the secret is 328 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.559 you know that Ephraim I think I don' t know if you agree wrong, 329 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:12.000 but I think the secret is how you tell them, because if you 330 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.400 ' re going to talk about what his dad did or what his mom did, 331 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:22.279 sowing resentment on your kids, it' s going to hurt them a 332 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.160 lot if you otherwise drive them saying that at the time an emotional situation that 333 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.559 probably didn' t happen because of the lawsuit was with me, but not 334 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.640 with you. I don' t, it can' t be that that 335 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.359 ' s better understood, but not otherwise. If you tell them things, 336 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.880 no man, your dad the bastard wine doesn' t hear, because he 337 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.839 ' s going to think the kids think it' s against them. Yeah, 338 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:47.000 I think it' s the way and the intention, not the way 339 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.160 you say it, and the intention. The intention is, as you said, 340 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:53.359 the truth, but not to use, against, not poison, not 341 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.759 take it out, because that ends up hurting the son more. No. 342 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.519 Then I think that would be important. And another thing I' m seeing 343 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:08.480 here is absolutely right. Iris Castro also says that there are people with problems 344 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.799 of this kind of addictions and others who are helped a lot, but they 345 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.200 are very destructive, violent. Sometimes they steal hits. Okay. I think 346 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.920 that' s also where one should know how to set limits. That' 347 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.720 s why I said that each case is different. When this person endangers the 348 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.200 integrity and life of a family, as you say of the grandfather of whoever 349 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:33.119 he is, for of course you have to put limits also then that' 350 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:37.759 s why I said it depends on everyone and every situation, but in general, 351 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.599 say something like and then throw the towel, I' m not sure. 352 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.880 Maybe I keep the towel in my hand, but maybe I' ll 353 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.519 give it to someone else, like Lupito said, another person who gets done. 354 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.480 I don' t know. There are no other ways, because that 355 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.599 ' s what I meant. I totally agree. Yeah, that' s 356 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:59.839 what it' s about, and you can' t think that you' 357 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:02.160 re going because you' re already uncompromising. No, it' s not 358 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:03.599 that more sense. There' s one thing to see. You' re 359 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:08.400 already a singer, too. He doesn' t have the tools of a 360 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:11.359 professional to get out, to understand, I mean, no, why would 361 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.880 he have. He' s a dot dad and maybe he' s not 362 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.759 even the most experienced, because he didn' t live with dad and mom. 363 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.720 So, not then if you don' t have the tools. We 364 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:23.839 have to go back and I think we have also said so many times. 365 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:30.799 You have to seek help, you have to seek help from people who do 366 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.440 not know exactly. That or that I think I hear and, on the 367 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.319 other hand, to see well, let' s just mention that we had 368 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.720 said here that Eduardo that Petillo was going to present Metropolitan No and had announced 369 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.319 great guests here. The point and I don' t make fun of Eduardo 370 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:52.160 Capeti came. But why some people will believe that if you disappear from the 371 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.519 musical firmament you leave your career. On the one hand, you' re 372 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.720 famously jealous that you took a lot of money in Azteca, they didn' 373 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.279 t produce anything. Besides, you' re gonna open a date and there 374 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:08.240 ' s gonna be hordes asking to come in when, for example, if 375 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:11.039 I did, I might know another timer. I don' t know Mariana 376 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:15.200 Garza, who has been in force than doing theater, because maybe it would 377 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.799 be a little easier. But eduardo chapeto that I, frankly I do feel 378 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.839 quite far away. I don' t know how you guys see it. 379 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.279 And weird because because I guess there' s another production there. I don 380 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.960 ' t know if he himself was the producer, and that' s why 381 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:34.880 he just left with this idea. But I always think that there is a 382 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:41.400 company that is going to produce and that surely has a lot more idea than 383 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.559 us and yet look at it. We have to say someone who hasn' 384 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.440 t been on the screens, who hasn' t generated any interest right now, 385 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:55.200 especially since he' s hardly going to fill a space where he wants 386 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:56.759 to give a concert, where we don' t know what he' s 387 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.200 going to sing or what it' s going to be? So, how 388 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:02.000 is it possible that we can think of that and the company can' t. 389 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:03.960 That' s what makes me curious, because the artist looks like every 390 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.759 artist, because he must be narcissistic. And I don' t mean it 391 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.119 like a bad thing. It' s just part of wanting to be in 392 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:17.519 front of an audience a certain dose of narcissism, some more, others less, 393 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:22.400 but the artist is basically going to have that and sometimes that narcissism can 394 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:23.880 blind us and tell him clearly that they' re going to see me, 395 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:26.559 because I know it' s more. I have my social networks and there 396 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.440 are people who follow me, they look for me, they say yes and 397 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.039 you go with that one, but the company is the one that catches my 398 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:36.000 attention. Not how. The company does not calculate whether or not they were 399 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.440 going to do it, because perhaps a long time before, make a lot, 400 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.400 a lot, a lot of noise so that then this no longer works. 401 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:47.200 Right now you just said write here pau you had. I think no 402 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.559 more than two musical hits watch. There are people who with a musical success, 403 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.039 are playing everywhere, because they manage to fill a place because this song 404 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:59.400 is slow. Maybe, not then the wow we' re all going to 405 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:03.200 go slowly one hundred and fifty times. But there' s no hit here, 406 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:06.240 there' s no radio, and there' s no repertory you call 407 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.200 a name. I remember disco one and two. I' m happy to 408 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:12.960 sing that one, because it' s not Ephraim, but it has to 409 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.319 do with how iconic you are, not because you know what it is, 410 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.359 because there wasn' t fourteen years and the factor really and with all peace. 411 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.400 We didn' t go to the Rebed. No one went to see 412 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:29.599 Rebed. We went to see and didn' t get angry because they were 413 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:33.079 angry with Jorge Posa, because the truth was we went to look at the 414 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.279 daughter and the others there was Javier Posa forgiveness, that is, they were 415 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:37.720 angry with Javier Pozo, but we went to see there with the others, 416 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.759 that is. There are very iconic people who can go 20 years, but 417 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:47.519 they' re a hundred and lope but they come back and you' re 418 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:52.640 going to see them because but it' s true that Peeti I' m 419 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:52.640 not iconic, I mean, no, I think so. I think so. 420 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.720 There the word narcissism that he mentioned is very applicable to me, because 421 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.559 it is true narcissism, not as a defect, it is indeed, to 422 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.599 be together in front of the public and of course, that it is a 423 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.640 narcissism to the best even healthy and it is well one' s own. 424 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:15.839 It is also necessary to confront the audience and fans and everything. But I 425 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.519 think it' s already becoming a narcissism that' s not very healthy. 426 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:26.799 When you yourself lose sight of yourself exactly you are, when you see the 427 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.480 proportion of those who are, you want to equal Thalia, for example, 428 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:36.680 no, no, no, no, so ras de Timbiriche, but you 429 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:42.039 are not. You' re not this Paulina Rubio and you see that Paulina 430 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:47.440 takes a long time, but there' s the 90 poptor asking for demands 431 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.200 and you' re still the last. No, then, Paulina Rubio and 432 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:57.559 if I delay capetillo, for not accurate look says Imelda Mesa. Patrick Hernandez 433 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:04.039 ' s only success your b for your b Life will be that was yes, 434 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.640 I didn' t even remember, but well, I knew who I 435 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:14.599 remembered. I remembered Alice you remember the obvious lis, Slice our phone a 436 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:22.440 princess lupita square that sang or the bush. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 437 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.920 I remember, I don' t know your song. Well, they remember 438 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:33.759 straight all their lives. I mean, of course, I remember this one 439 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:40.119 singing nothing but a lin. He made a world gino with a song, 440 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.640 but after something very strong floricento came and I didn' t auditorium it, 441 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.160 because it was comical. Eduardo capetillo of truth and this word that now occupy 442 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.960 it for everything and it is not well, for it sees that petillo is 443 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.920 no longer iconic nor hears way. But I' m sorry to see Patricio. 444 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.880 It says here, Patrick, that one thing was narcissed, that I 445 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.079 was trading. Indeed, they are two different things. But it does apply 446 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:08.160 narcissism here. The self- centered need not be famous to be self- 447 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.920 centered and the sex exact, exact and and there may be a narcissite, 448 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:15.559 there may be a narcissistic singer who is not so self- centered. Sure, 449 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.680 yeah, sure, but yeah, they' re two totally different things. 450 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.400 But ah I' ve already been hit since you don' t make 451 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.359 me and let me change my glasses so it squeezes so they don' t 452 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.720 have them. There he is as a couple, little would you tell me, 453 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.880 oh my love no. I don' t think we do it better, 454 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.839 we do something smaller, but because you' re denying and you' 455 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.200 re in a narcissistic relationship and he says yes, I love you, I 456 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.599 ' m going to see you around everyone' s going to see you there. 457 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:52.160 It made me think of that is this adjective of naive. Don' 458 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.960 t be ingenuity. I' ll tell you. The truth is that today, 459 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.359 in this life governed by marketing in such a powerful way, if he 460 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.759 wanted to go back, I think he could have done it Lupita, but 461 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.440 for that I should have done first I have a campaign of what is from 462 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.559 many apparitions, even notice, if you want, even from some minor scandal, 463 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.319 a rumor I say I will hear it fatal, but it is what 464 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:21.160 we see it first every day to release a rumor of divorce or something to 465 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:25.240 sell then since it warmed up a little bit the mood around them, then 466 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.839 I started to go to programs and that if the interview here and that something 467 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:34.680 no and then we try to sell that presentation or concert not so out of 468 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.160 nothing. That' s what surprises me, because really right now, everything 469 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.599 can be done, only you have to know how we' ve seen it. 470 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.759 Of course, we' ve seen it, please, well, not 471 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.880 because you remember well, yes, you' re right, but remember that 472 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.279 those who came out of the house of the celebrities who had been razing in 473 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.920 the audience and you because they didn' t fill either and then they go 474 00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.880 to the hospital to covid that we all said that everyone in the end, 475 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.359 if they won' t be able to present us that they have covid and 476 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:05.400 then there are all those who didn' t sell Ephraim. It' s 477 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.920 not to be clear, you know that Tony Lopez doesn' t get you 478 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.720 Eduardo Cafetán' s record, because he' s doing it there. I 479 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:16.319 ' ve got it, neither you nor you. I don' t know, 480 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.240 you don' t even have that good one, because he says Verty 481 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.640 branch, but what happened to a capetillo. Nothing goes Rama. Precisely he 482 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.920 showed up, set a date to appear in Metropolita with great guests, which 483 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.160 was his family and has not sold many tickets. And well, the question 484 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:37.000 is no more because sometimes people think that even though you are absent, holy 485 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:38.599 that is not seen, it is not something adored. So they think that 486 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:42.680 even if you' re away, because people are going to keep waiting for 487 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.079 you outside a theater to come and see you, even if they don' 488 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:47.279 t know you' re singing, what you' re doing and nothing. 489 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:51.559 They' re not going to pay for a ticket that they' re not 490 00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:57.319 going to pay, because now it' s not enough to sell tickets, 491 00:32:58.039 --> 00:32:58.920 better peace and you pay otherwise not and they weren' t that expensive. 492 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:04.240 Lupita, because I checked how much they were, because the mask was in 493 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.640 a thousand two hundred. They weren' t that expensive. Hey, it 494 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.519 ' s expensive, so you don' t see anything, you hear forgiveness. 495 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.799 Listen with all the dough and I say it with all the peace, 496 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.680 because it is because of me the epis you can go to the theater and 497 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.319 see a very good one. What' s more, you can go to 498 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.400 the Lucerne forum, go see Pablo Perroni, who is a great actor and 499 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.200 you would be very happy and would reach you for two plays that are very 500 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.400 worthwhile, because the Lucerne forum has a lot, has three theaters. Then 501 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.359 you can go see three different theaters. But, well, I meant it 502 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:45.759 with all peace, making friends the most nasty, making very many friends. 503 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.720 Hey, by the way, yesterday we made a lot of friends because they 504 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.119 wrote to us that we were already known to be ultra- right, because 505 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:54.839 I' ve always been told that you' re ultra- right. I 506 00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.680 ' m not ultra- right. Then whenever they told me clearly that I 507 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.039 was born, I had suffered in my childhood, because no, no, 508 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.159 I did not suffer in my childhood and I said that I would have done 509 00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:10.239 what else they wrote to us of the many friends and ran I said. 510 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:15.519 I didn' t even say who I' m going to vote for and 511 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:15.199 I' m not going to say it yet. It' s no more. 512 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.000 I' m not going to say it because the vote is free and 513 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.119 secret and I reserve that right and yet it touched me too. You were 514 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:27.320 also touched by the master. Not that I, because I' m gay, 515 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.840 can' t say I' m a panista, because it looks like 516 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:31.159 I' ve always been a panista and I have a confession to them. 517 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.400 Sole girls, I have a confession because I' m the outside baby. 518 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.760 I' m very small, it' s clear, I know I fell 519 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:44.079 into the claws, by fitting, in the claws. A few years ago 520 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.599 I ordered the chick claws. Hey, I' m an oppressed. I 521 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:52.679 mean, I haven' t been all my life as I am right now, 522 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.920 I' ve been coven I' ve had mistakes and I' ve 523 00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.360 always said it. I voted for the lord and I am a redeemed that 524 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.039 everything is going very badly, I mean so that they come and tell me 525 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.000 clearly, Ephraim, always this one sees that hepanist, but he can' 526 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.239 t say it, no, no, he doesn' t hear. Another 527 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.400 thing they said was that the violent meter that we were super violent, because 528 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.159 so don' t confuse what one person says with what another says. That 529 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.880 ' s for starters, I, personally never mean a person' s physical, 530 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:35.719 I don' t mean his work. I do not put epithets regarding 531 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.360 that, I do not put adjectives with respect and much less, for everyone 532 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:45.440 who is born as it is and already physical Punckin and already, but not 533 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:46.880 in question of violence, no, no, no. I don' t 534 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.599 think so. I think we' re not violent on this show. So 535 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:55.760 they told us we used those nicknames that we used in life. No. 536 00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:00.280 We' re never done with that nickname. Not me, I said it. 537 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.400 Actually, I don' t like it. But let' s talk 538 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.840 now. Tell me you' re going fast. Don' t be intrusive, 539 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:12.519 I mean, because all of a sudden here you' re cute and 540 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:14.840 suddenly I get written in instagram. Ayora, I feel like we' re 541 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.599 friends. Yes, by the good way, but being intrusive and getting into 542 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.920 our lives, that is to say judging, because besides, yes, I 543 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.480 think the tenor of the program is not that, that is, everything here 544 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.559 is clearly with dads and with a lot of love. Nets. It is 545 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:30.880 not about that and the analysis of the debate, for it is not. 546 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.960 We don' t know about politics and we don' t talk about politics. 547 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.440 In fact, and without it, you should not talk about politics. 548 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:37.480 It' s a good thing we don' t talk about politics. We 549 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.440 talked about a show was put on TV dot and a country we live in 550 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:49.440 hears. But changing the subject, as the protagonists of the new adaptation of 551 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:54.519 Romeo and Juliet came out and there have already been different controversies regarding films that 552 00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.599 have been made according to the topic of inclusion that I insist as well as 553 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.840 with the children. So there are always new themes, new studies, new 554 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:10.480 trends. And now this inclusion in Rome and Juliet has been highly criticized. 555 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:21.280 You see him as Ran Efra. I see it as super irrelevant. I 556 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:27.199 mean, for what reason, because when they did to Black Cleospatra I got 557 00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.320 very angry with a bolena I handled a lot. But, because Juliet and 558 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.599 the Little Mermaid are fictional characters that if we change their ethnicity really, I 559 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.760 don' t think they will change the same and we would contend to explain 560 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.119 and change the whole context, which is already a work that can be very 561 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:46.920 free, because already versions of Rumi and Juliet there is a variety. In 562 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:51.559 fact, right now in a group and there' s one called and Juliette 563 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.360 that' s about what would have happened if they hadn' t both killed 564 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.039 each other. It' s not like the sequel to what might have happened 565 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:05.559 if suicide had existed in the literary work. And last, alternative final forgiveness, 566 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.880 an alternative ending, that is. I think that in these things you 567 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:14.039 can already, because there are freedoms, that is, if you ask me 568 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.400 what I think of the actress, because well, people let themselves go ugly 569 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.880 that is, because if she wasn' t the prettiest she was, that 570 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.280 is, yes, it is clear to me that literary works have the characters 571 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:30.639 described, but nothing happens. I think that' s my opinion in this 572 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.639 case. But we can' t get carried away because if it doesn' 573 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.440 t happen what happened in Croopatra, which then they already did Black Anne Boleyn, 574 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.880 I think so, we have to be very judicious to say good here 575 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.400 is nothing. If we have a Black Juliet, from my point of view, 576 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.360 I don' t think anything will happen. He' s a fictional 577 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.480 character. There is no context there that has to be accentuated, as it 578 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:57.800 was with Ana Bolena and Cleopatra, that well the documentary even the Egyptians came 579 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.559 out very angry to say let' s do our own document me because then 580 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.800 it is very unscattered. So, well, that' s the opinion. 581 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.039 I don' t think anyone' s bad. I don' t think 582 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.440 that' s forced inclusion. From my point of view, I think they 583 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.800 ' re gonna bully him like that. But I don' t think so. 584 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:22.679 Okay. I think I do feel it as forced the truth, because 585 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:30.320 there are so many stories that are something more universal, not here, well, 586 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.840 they are the lovers of Verona, not that it has certain features others 587 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:40.880 you are also right that there are many versions in which well these films have 588 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.480 also been criticized. I remember one with Leonardo DiCaprio, where she was very 589 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.599 modernized and the soundtrack many people criticized her because it' s not possible and 590 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.480 so on, so I think I do feel that it' s a little 591 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.239 bit like the time we' re going to force someone in here like this 592 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.840 to look good, and I think that' s what people have Sometimes they 593 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.960 don' t know him at all well because they don' t feel genuine, 594 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:06.960 they don' t feel honest, it seems to me. But then, 595 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.119 to be disrespectful to the work or the author, I don' t 596 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:14.239 think so either. Just play a play, for whoever wants to see it 597 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.320 and who doesn' t and is not. But yeah, I think the 598 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:22.519 point is that' s the reason. On the other hand, it reminded 599 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.800 me a lot of the version that was made at the time of The Wizard 600 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:32.119 of Oz with Michael Jackson, Diana Ross and other actors, which also contrasted 601 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.119 greatly with the iconic film The Wizard of you, because it had made Judy 602 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.119 Garland. So what happened there, because the success was the music, the 603 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.039 music of Quincy Jones, which is what people really liked. And then it 604 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:49.079 went to the background to say that, whether or not it was wise to 605 00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:53.000 show the characters as originating a different race. And then nothing happened. Then 606 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.119 I think the interesting thing here is to see the play if it' s 607 00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.320 well done, well carried. I think that would be what Shakespeare would have 608 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:01.840 to go at the end, and finally Lieta told me. But I' 609 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.679 m going to tell you something. All these kinds of discussions would end in 610 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.360 humanity, end up on the earth phase if we weren' t so concerned 611 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.639 about each other' s race as we said earlier, five minutes ago. 612 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.400 If you don' t mean a person' s physique, well, I 613 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:22.079 don' t care if they' re tall, low, fat, honest, 614 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:22.280 because I don' t care. I mean, every one I don 615 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.159 ' t care about, for no way you' re born again or killed 616 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.199 or what you do, no way. That' s who we are and 617 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.960 that' s it. It would be awful if the world had to stop 618 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:39.199 paying attention to how important a person' s skin color, a person' 619 00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:43.360 s eye color, hair color, height, competition would be so important is 620 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:52.920 that there would not be these exact discussions. I' m going to get 621 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:58.480 into pauses again there goes Ephraim, because how I like it then if they 622 00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.559 ' re going to bring in controversial history. What I was telling you about 623 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.320 the sequel to and Julieth, which is right now on Broadway, makes her 624 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:14.920 a trans girl from my perspective. That' s where I' m going, 625 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:21.000 yes, I' m already being forced, because if history is totally 626 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.360 distorted, because that didn' t exist from a context at that time. 627 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.480 That' s my opinion. In this situation, what they' re going 628 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.599 to do is just change Juliet' s ethnicity. It doesn' t make 629 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:40.000 me so crazy to start changing the sexes and talking about non- existent things 630 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.000 at the time. Yes, for all forgiveness, for opinion, yes, 631 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.199 that is, this is my opinion. I don' t think this version 632 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.119 that we' re talking about is so crazy that Juliet is really colored I 633 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:59.840 don' t think so and they say it here in the comments, but 634 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.840 it describes it and so on, but it' s the least substantial thing 635 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.360 in history, that is, Roby Juliet goes beyond the color of Juliet' 636 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.679 s skin. But in this idea of the sequel they make to the alternative 637 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.440 end of putting a trans woman into a historical context in which she didn' 638 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.440 t even exist. That well, if it existed, it wasn' t, 639 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.559 it wasn' t, as it is mounted right now, and the 640 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:28.599 play to me that does make forced inclusion. And I want to sit him 641 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.719 down because it' s like what happens, like a Cleopatra, that is, 642 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:36.480 take us to something that doesn' t exist, that couldn' t 643 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:37.920 have succeeded, because I may have existed a colored Juliet at that time. 644 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:42.079 Of course, yes, yes, there may have been a cut of color, 645 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.880 but a trans cutlet does not look. I' ll tell you clearly, 646 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.639 but I' ll tell you something. I' ll tell you what. 647 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.079 I think that all humanity is forgotten that the works were written at a 648 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:58.000 historical moment, in a place so many years ago, where it was. 649 00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.559 Why don' t you take the argument. They rewrite the story and make 650 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.559 another story where you can talk. For example, britgear Jon, for it 651 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:08.960 is not one if it is a book in what you want, but it 652 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:14.760 is not a Nari It is fighting for German inclusion, but why it is 653 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:16.639 in itself, as they say here. Well, yeah, they' re 654 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.119 actually two young Italians from Verona, because they wouldn' t even have to 655 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.360 be super white and Caucasian. Italians are gorgeous, a little Latino, and 656 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:35.440 they are. Then you would have to be very exacting and put Italians point 657 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.480 out nothing of orerite and obs claritos, because not because it does come. 658 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.960 Shakespeare was English, but that' s in Verona, in Italy. So, 659 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.920 well, look, I' m gonna read, look, they change 660 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.480 everything says, but they' re not gonna change our way of thinking. 661 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.400 Forced acceptance doesn' t work, it' s not acceptance. Indeed, 662 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:58.239 we are going to get into politics. Sorry grey is in the inclusion, 663 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.559 but you have to be realistic, romy Julieterani Italians exactly, because lupis. 664 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:08.039 Looks like the cast of that version is for theater. Indeed, even the 665 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:12.559 Pope who has been, even the Pope who has been quite inclusive, is 666 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.920 already ordering to quote the real one. It was already wrong to exact that 667 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.920 I have not touched on that issue and we will not discuss it. We 668 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.800 ' re not going to discuss it, but I' m going to say 669 00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:34.239 it. It seems incongruous to me, it seems irrational to me that in 670 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.519 this world still exists the death penalty, the punishment of others, the abortion 671 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.280 in which everyone who thinks I insist I will not discuss it, that you 672 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.079 can take the lives of others in your hands, but do not allow themselves 673 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:53.199 so. I understand. I don' t understand, because that' s 674 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.840 yours, you' re with you, of course. Yeah, yeah, 675 00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.599 yeah, I like to talk, no, no, yeah, paradox, 676 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.440 well, yeah. But in the end, I think it' s interesting 677 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:08.039 to have all these points of view and, in the end, then, 678 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:13.119 that everyone has the decision, those who are able to go or not to 679 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.760 see this play at the theaters there in the United States, because they will 680 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:22.679 already decide and one can, just like we do here, talk, mention 681 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.679 the points of view. And that, then, also leads me to think 682 00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:30.519 of a comment that I would like to leave here that would be the fact 683 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.920 that one thinks, as he says, lupita of a show, if you 684 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:39.559 want to, see or of an event that was presented on television in our 685 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:45.480 country and with our citizen' s right to talk about it doesn' t 686 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.880 mean that we should think in the same way, not even between the three 687 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.840 of us and much less with the rest of the people and the one that 688 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.400 we think differently in any way makes us ignorant to tell ourselves that we don 689 00:46:59.480 --> 00:46:59.960 ' t know anything about politics because we don' t share the opinion of 690 00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:04.679 who is telling us. I think that' s a bit of an accurate 691 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.480 adventure to see We almost said goodbye. But I want to answer to see. 692 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.960 Ruth Martinez says you don' t talk about the physique lupe and the 693 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.159 sausage finger of Charles of England, because he has them like me. He 694 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:15.199 ' s got them like me. Look at him, he' s got 695 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.559 them like me. That' s why they caught my attention and you can 696 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:21.000 tell him the same thing. I' ve always said that' s why 697 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.840 he didn' t wear rings,' cause my fingers are from Sanchez. 698 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.320 I compared them to mine. But it' s not an insult point. 699 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.360 The thing about Carlos is that he had done not even with the ink. 700 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.639 That' s right, his attitude was wrong. Well, Ephraim, I 701 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.000 ' m telling you, they' re on. They put us at retrograde 702 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.639 costs. We' re going to say good- bye now, so we 703 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.119 ' d say good- bye to history in history. I love them all 704 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.119 well write nice things and they see how sometimes we differ and we don' 705 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.519 t fight. I mean, it' s not like we have to fight 706 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.119 and hunch, and nothing exactly happens. I' ll comment, Patricio, 707 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.440 very good comment. Also, Patrick, what you' re saying. That 708 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.239 ' s what it' s all about if you can' t make Shakespeare 709 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.360 out of Roman, Juliet Quiesa is another. There is love without barriers, 710 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:16.679 Lati version is fine, totally being good and said so without scolding us exactly 711 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:24.320 and to those who gave us barrierless Love. Thank you, Matricius, for 712 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:30.280 saying it nice. Thank you very much, dear, dear doctor, thank 713 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.400 you. Let' s keep using the power of the neuron and see ourselves 714 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:39.639 adding the neuron. Thanks, Encrypt, babyst Thanks girls, b good guys, 715 00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:44.440 bye Bye. We' re going to go history and go see? 716 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.199 Go see women making footprints and, of course, tomorrow at ten o' 717 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.199 clock at night, we have broken souls, so get ready over there. 718 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.480 Thank you so much. Jellyfish records for everyone. What we' re pardoning 719 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:00.960 women leaving footprints. It' s jellyfish. It' s ready for everyone 720 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.760 now. Right now, right now, I' ll put it on for 721 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.519 everyone now. Sorry. If I am, I can' t be in everything.