John. When you listen to this buy more Lube and I'm Victoria Malcolm fucking
hate you. Hi guys, and welcome to a new episode of on Latch
Podcast. Watch You Buy Delivery today. It's me your host, not again,
Ben, It's me JP Longland. It's your boy the black a Frasier.
I am back back, back, back back again. Did your motherfucker's
miss me on my line? We're back back back again? Oh sorry girl,
anyway, it's David your ear holes? Are you stealing from plagiarist?
Play plagiarism? Sorry, I'm intelligent podcast on the lap I know, wow,
before we jump into it today. Last week we did? Was it?
Last week? We did the Pride month? Put it in right?
Maybe people actually listen to us. Maybe. Well, it's still been kind
of terrible. It's what unto you? Huh? Who are we talking to?
David? You? Yes? Yeah, sort yourselves out this Pride month.
Pull your socks off. I don't know whatever you're doing, it's not
enough. I'm joking. You are enough, you are valid. We love
you. But in some good slash red news for Pride Month, Botswana has
the criminalized homosexuality, so I love that for them, and Ecuador has passed
same sex marriage, So big claps to all those yeah, on their way
to getting you know, equal human rights, which is the better minimum.
Especially in Pride month. What a good time to have it. But how
is everybody, Joshua, we haven't seen you in a while. Well you
can't actually see, but I am gorgeously brown, like super fit, looking
just like listening generally like blowing like really attractive. No I'm doing. It
was fantastic. It was such a good holiday. It was like twelve days
music festival. Shout out to all my prema vara gaze because I know there
was a lot. I had never heard of prima Vera until about two days
before it started. Well, I mean the lineup was absolutely Janelle robin Um,
Miley Salon, Charlie XCX, Lizzo like in the Corpcake. It's just
that just sounds divine, I mean fantastic because actually it's a festival that commits
to fifty percent of the lineup being women. And that's why I looked at
like, this is why I like it, because I listened to it almost
exclusively. But it was it was amazing. And then a little bit of
time in Barcelona, which was really nice. But we stayed with these gaze
in their mister b and b um and but they were still there, so
we had a room. Is that the gay version of it? Yeah,
and it was. It was just a bit awkward because like they like the
last time I went to New York it was wild. I would like stayed
with these two days and like they took us to parties and they were so
friendly and I'm still friends with them now, but with these two gay they
were so awkward. It was just really I felt like very like I was
in somebody's house. And that's why I actually don't do Airbnb whenever I go
away, I always try and book hotel because I like the idea of being
in a hotel. I feel very glam when I'm in a hotel. Yeah,
and airbnbn was like I'm literally staying in somebody else's house. I would
only have a whole house. I would never like book a room in something
else. I would never do that again. I don't think, like I
don't regret doing it in New York's it was so FuMB, but I wouldn't
do it again. I don't think after that experience. But even then,
When I went to Madrid, I stayed in the hotel and somebody other friends
stayed in their BnB down the road and they had the full flat. But
when I went over, like some of them were staying in like what had
to be like an eleven year old girl's room because like bunk bed included.
And I was like, you're just staying in someone's because at this point I
wasn't quite like acquainted with the AIRBNBA. I wasn't. I thought it was
just like villas and child and I was like, wait, this is actually
someone's at home and they've just gone away for the week. And they're like,
yeah, well we've put our place on Airbnb whilst we've been away this
summer. And I've got to say it's been off fucking savior because we've been
able to afford. It's been off spending money. I've been away because you
get a good income from doing it, so I understand why people yeah.
Yeah. And then lastly I went to Sitches for my friend Matt Hollwood's th
birthday and it was fucking there was twenty seven of us in one villa like
love Island ended, Love Island. Who I was saying, literally last week.
I'm not sure if I'd want it was the one happening as I was
talking the best side. We were like doing yoga, agua aerobics, just
around and before we were drinking, dancing. It was just the funnest time.
Cities are really interesting. It's kind of like it's super fun. But
it's kind of like it's the age ranges like it's I would say it's for
the more like the more distinguished gentleman, the older gentleman. Slightly, but
I really had a good time. My voice has just come back, just
kind of before you went away. On the last episode, you told us
that there was a strong chance she were going to break up with Now while
you're awake, based on three years experience, are you still in the relationship,
So it sounds like it's not going to go. I'm das today we
have gone our separate now we are still together. Don't hold your horses,
lads, don't slide into the DMS. He's still booed up. But no,
no, no, I like, I mean, it was like it
was like he was touching, he said touching. It was touch and go.
Because on the last night, I had half a bottle of tequila.
I was like, why are you with me? Very the insecurity dreumped out
clearly just was like, oh, we haven't broke up yet. Insecurity never
jump back in that. So I've never gone past three dates with anybody in
my life. I just liked, I like answers, how how has this
happened? Why do you like me? Why do you like me? Is
that? What is that? What? Page thesis? And if I don't
have one by tom tomorrow, it's over literally, But um yeah, it
was started because we were trying to find a cab for about an hour.
But I mean we we survived it and we had a really good time.
So do you think that holidays are like another testing point for couples? Like
is this your first holiday? With my first holiday? That's like, I
feel like moving in together is one test. Going on your first holiday together
is another test because it's all like spending more time together than you usually would
if you lived apart and you saw each other three times a week or four
times a week, whatever. I think you're right, but I think most
people probably would have gone on a holiday together. That's what I was just
thinking. Actually, I was like, wait, you've done the wrong way.
Around, but no, I had a really really good time and I'm
away again. On when this airs, i will be in the air.
I'll be in the air flying business. No less Sorry, it's not like
guy now. It's because work a bit in Honey, because to train in
La, and I'm going to be in La. I know, Higela.
I'm expecting to the stories, obviously, but yeah, I can't wait,
broke, literally, I'm going to do it. I want the reaction of
every other business class. I see you get your fucking phone out, O
me so here I am bis, I'm in Hi, turning around like,
can you be quiet? I've been mortgage for this holidays. I'm obviously going
to get round to how everyone else this week was in a minute. But
talking about the days that we all see the cock destroyers going on their little
vacation, I haven't seen them in the cock pit, Yes, I've never
every time you've been in there. First of all, every time I see
a video of them two on holiday or just all the thing. Because I'm
want to, but I'm just like, you deserve all the fame. You
deserve all the praise everyone. The videos are so so funny, and they
just I feel like that's the first video I've seen them when they were saying
hi to the pilots where it's almost like them regularly when the cameras aren't on.
Yeah, because obviously everyone's got like a different persona, especially when you're
working as like a performer. Yeah, you have a kind of different like
when I'm sure when they're at home and they're just relaxing out in their sweats
whatever, they're not exactly what they are when they're being the cock to shorts.
It's actually really nice to be like, oh wow, so like she
still sat in his lap like yeah. And then they did the acoustic version
of driving for Dick in the list where the poor guy who sat with guitar
like what getting them on live lounge now? Yeah, truly, I do
think that poor guy. I think he was America. He had no idea
where seeing those list doors opening was like what and the lyrics that I feel
like he didn't get them the first time around, so they went around for
another chorus. He was like, huh, but David, how are you?
We haven't seen you in a word either. Yes, I am good.
I am back to normal now. After the busy, busy, busy
or week We've had a couple of weeks m with work. But yeah,
I am. I feel right as rain. I feel like back to normal
now but still busy, but back to normal. Yeah, And that's pretty
much it. I live a boring life. Oh great, I just lived
my life through Josh's instagram. Oh my god? Can like I always thinking
like, can I just say like I should go away more often? Because
literally, firstly, the podcast was great while I was away he knew.
Secondly, like everyone was saying such nice things about me, I was like,
for me, oh my god, I'm the jade of the podcast.
I'm like, oh nah, you are to be fair. But yeah,
which is wild considering all the Buffinia you talk like. It's actually really like
it was. I was thinking, God, they're so lovely, so lovely.
And then right at the end, Johnny has exposed me out here,
doesn't he like for me? Comment in from the on the action. If
you can't have a second account of your podcast and you don't signal a boost,
then you're not doing drag Like honey, I've got to up that traffic.
A girl's gotta get How do you think I'm gonna get my endorphins?
I need I need constant validation to be fair. I have my I have
a film account which I basically followed all my celebrities on, so I can
have them on a different feed and sometimes I'll see my own self. Who
is he? Double tap love that? Yeah. The other day at work,
I was doing it on desktop because on desktop that's the Instagram that I've
got logged in and go next to me or work, she shall be double
click on my She was like your own self, was like, mind your
business, shame, mind your god down business? And John, how are
you, Ben? How are you? Did you have a week off?
I did have a week off. How was that? It was good?
It's not as productive as I wanted it to be. I'm meant to be
writing right now, and it's not. Things are trundling along at a leisurely
pace. But I'm very impatient. Yeah, so author me is just not
jumping out. It's like the like staying absolutely, it's staying absolutely in asleep.
It's dormant. It's just not happening for but it's getting there slowly.
I'm giving myself a soft deadline for the end of July, so let's hope
that we have something then don't ask me about it. At the end of
everybody at Ben at the end of your life, did you write that book?
Book? Where where is the book? The damn book? And then
me like, well, I we also like to see and John dare I
ask how you are thists just dropped the quick message from guy First. Okay,
he apologizes that he can't be here, but it's had to pop to
Barcelona for two nights, to a racing track, to stend a five star
hotel. Big guy energy, Big guys, your energy. You don't have
to worry about anybody. Yeah, I mean it's a week without a bit
of respite to worry. Aback it ensue, I've had the most wild week.
Yeah, this Before I get into it, let's talk about the Spice
Girls super quick, because Josh and I have been girls, not together separately,
but because not to not together, because we have noe thing. They
were fucking iconic, unreal. It was literally in this week's episode of What
Made John Cry? This week it was Viva Forever Mammoth me actually properly bold
the power that has the influence, that has the you know, the emence,
that has the access to that has I didn't go and I really wish
you, dude. I feel like I've really been because I've seen like all
of the videos, et cetera. But it's actually really nice to see that
the want for them is still there, because I think you'd trouble. You'd
be troubled to find anybody who was famous at their peak, like late nineties.
Yeah, to sell out a stadium now a stadium, and that's when
these were eighty thousand people. Yeah, and they're everywhere they've been and they
did three nuts a considering there's been no like run up to it. There's
like, no only music people are going. I want them senior music.
They want to relive their childhood. Everyone going wants to relive their childhood and
train nostalgiic and blah blah blah blah. But they look like they had the
best time. I mean, it's cute and all, but to stop speaking,
which wow, I mean Victoria's not there, so I don't think it
would have been good with her. No, initially, Wow, excuse me.
One thing we are not going to do. One thing we are not
going to do on this. I've got faced off to. David was absolutely
slander Victoria more than anybody in that group, I won't Like Victoria is my
favorite, but she's not. She doesn't want me there, so she if
she doesn't need to exactly. I thought she might come out like the most
that she might come out last night. She was in London for David David's
mom's birthday the day before and yeah, oh god, if you haven't seen
her Instagram comments, oh they are littered with people just saying where are you?
Why aren't you at the stadium? Where are you? Where are you?
I think she would have had fun, but I don't necessarily think.
I think yeah, And like, let's be honest, going from being a
designer for the last however many years to performing in front of eighty thousand people,
like you could clearly see the rest of them were all shook at it
because Jerry herself said, like I didn't get to perform Wemboy because I left
before the girls did it. I mean, that's coming out and seeing that
many people their fatures because all the videos I saw were from so far away,
so you knew how many people were there. I did a really bad
thing. And like if I pushed out the way on Friday night and won't
beleave to get to the front. I'm really sorry, but I was getting
to the front. I was late. I got held up in the pub
making some friends sounds sound, so we pushed out the way. I'm really
sorry. What was your favorite song? Lady in the Vamp? Lovely kidding?
Have you? If you ever aways? Incredible? I just that's kind
of the moment for me. I was just like, what the fuck is
going on? Like I'm at the splices girls, won't we stayed him in
twenty nineteen, like, I actually, did you ever see them as a
child? I never did. Yeah, I saw them on that last come
back to at the A two. That was like, you weren't a child
there, babe? No? Was what was that ten years ago? So
I'd mean, yeah, I was a twink. I've never seen them,
and I regret not getting tickets. I'm holding out some vague hope that they
might intendue time. No, that I'm holding out a cope that they might
decide to do like a proper one. You know, like when Adele sold
out so many shows blah blah blah, and she introduced like I'm going to
do three days at Wembley and that's it, and that it was like six
months after the tour to finish blah blah blah. I'm I'm hoping that would
be like do you know what we're going to do one more night at Wembley,
We're going to go to like Australia and Fipperary. Yeah, I think
they will be going to Australia. Is all the Australian media were there,
weren't they? Yeah? I was pretty go would you be well worth a
thousand pounds flight? Honestly, I think I'm going to go to your Rivision
in the Netherlands next year. I always make our plans love on the podcast
anyway. So just one last thing, like just a little pushed on my
content. There's a picture of me the iconic want to be stairs as well,
So thank you Aldo John and JOSSI band name as well. He took
me. But like, yeah, so it was really really fun to double
tap on my pick essentially. So other than that, I was on Wednesday,
minded my own business and I saw a little like notification in my what
Facebook message requests from like a couple of weeks back and a distant cousin.
It was like, I need to speak to your dad, who I haven't
spoken to for ten years, and I was like, what is during the
client I was like, what is this? Like ridiculousness? So I was
like, do you mind me ask him why she was nice about your nan?
My Dan has been dead for sixteen years, so I was like,
what could this possibly be? Anyway? Like then on when stuff noon,
I went to meet Jack, the founder of Twitter. In between this absolute
nonsense, which was weird, You look like he looks like a future year.
What have you had a really hard paper round? He does, Yeah,
it looks like he could be a dad. Anyway, this woman phoned
me out of nowhere and it was like, yeah, when your nan died,
nobody went to collect her ashes and she's just been sat on a shelf
for sixteen years in the crematorium. And I cried. I cried so hard.
In the like interim period, like my dad's brother, my uncle died
in two thou twelve, we found out his wife died in two eleven,
and nobody can release the ashes except my dad, they thought. And now
my dad can't release the ashes. That happened, it's wild goose chase to
find the person that can. I found my cousin, who I have been
in contact with and it turns out he's like he's in his early sport is
he's married to a man? Yeah, right, he's currently in Milan.
He is like that. He's like like really high up in Harrod's Like now
I'm like purchasing should let's say that on the podcast. He's out there,
like he's out like they're like purchasing Harrison stuff. So we can meet out
when he gets back, um, and he's going to like try and saw
it out. But yeah, it's just been Now I've just got my dad
texts me, which I didn't really want to happen, but it has happened.
Yeah, well doly have much choice. But yeah, it's just been
absolutely like wild week in terms of like I didn't have to dad for ten
years and know who this woman was, and now I've got a cousin who's
the homosexual I didn't know about. It's it's been a lot. It's I
mean, I love the latter part of that, but oh my god,
I know, it was just heartbreaking to think that somebody would just treat treat
their mom like that, essentially like in death, like she was an incredible
woman and they're just the person that my uncle who's now dead, didn't bother
to like make arrangement for make arrangements for rashes, And obviously everybody just assumed
that he had. So I obviously if you don't want to talk about it,
but I assume by the fact you brought it up that I can't talk
about it. Um. So like I assume he didn't pick them up on
purpose, I would imagine, So I don't know, because otherwise I'm like,
how what had just been negligence? Well he was so he basically he
was the person who dealt with the will and the funeral. So it was
his responsibility to connect them and to deal with them, and he didn't.
He didn't. He just didn't have They men are trash. They're still there
sixteen years later, but they have the crematorium, not like have a policy
to like get in touch, get rid of them or like thing that I
didn't realize they would just keeps well, because I've loved some loads of researtions
this this week, um, And apparently ordinarily they're just like scattered after like
a like a few months, they're just if you don't pick them up,
I don't know, I don't know, like they won't the crematory won't give
anybody any information other than my cousins. That in itself is like so frustrating.
Sorry, like the sun beamed in there, Oh no it did.
Yeah, it's and and you think after like my dad called them, and
it's like, obviously it feels incredibly guilty. You'd think that after sixteen years
they'd just be happy that somebody finally wanted to claim them, but no,
they're still holding out that what I mean, he's now next to kin.
It's just been an absolutely like there's so many like it's so strange that like
there are so many like intricate laws to things. Like I remember when I
was a teenager, back when I really thought I was going through it.
I remember there was one video on YouTube which used to tear me to bits
whenever I watched it. And it's about this couple. He lived in the
States, and they'd been together for so long. They weren't married, but
they'd lived together so long. The fact the guy his family he knew about
it, and they were very supportive, but the guy he was with,
and he'd been with him for years, didn't approve him being gay. And
I remember there was a tragic accident in like La or something where he was
a photographer and he fell off a roof and died, and the family basically
just shut this guy out. They wouldn't let him come to the funeral.
And I remember what the video was him being like, I don't know what
to do. This is this was my life. We were going to get
married. His parents didn't accept it. But that doesn't exclude the fact that
I remember I was like, remember I was b it's because there was nothing
he could do. And in the end, he ended up going to visit
the grave on his own after the funeral to say like a goodbye. And
I remember watching this and being like, oh my god, because that's not
happened. I just all these intricate laws because he could that the law wouldn't
name him do anything, but because according to the law, they were just
roommates. Yeah, but that's the thing, and that's why, you know,
sometimes people think that getting married is just about like, you know,
it's about us. You know, it's a show of our love and we're
able to celebrate our love. But actually, you know, it's it's a
it's a legally bonding thing that gives us right, which I've been often shut
out to same sex couples for years and years and years. That story is
one of thousands where people have been cut out of, you know, the
final say on people's lives, of attending funerals, of being part of any
organizations when they've actually spent their lives together. So you know, sadly,
that story is one of thousands. And but that's why it's so fantastic for
for Ecuador and for all these countries, because it means that not only in
life or are they legally bonded, but also in death. And because I'd
never really thought of that before. Like I remember growing up when I was
a teenager, like before it was legalized in this country for us to get
married, I remember people saying that, like, well, I don't want
to get married, so I don't really care that much. I didn't see
what the big deal is. Yeah, But like it's only now when I
look back and realize there is a natural reason that, aside from the fact
of just wanting basic human rights and for it to be equal across the board,
there are certain things that you unfortunately have to be married forward to have
a saying. And this guy, this guy whose whose boyfriend died. Like
the parents were so against them that they refused. They basically said he was
never a part of anything, he's nothing to do with this, and he
was, Yeah, just a completely raised from this guy's funeral. And I
was like in bits I remember and being in bits when I watched this.
So horrible. And they can stop people from even like, you know,
visiting in hospital if it's like end of somebody's like you didn't get to see
him in hospital either, So so horrible. But yeah, so I mean
that is a really big week for you, like a real emotional upheaval.
How it's fine, like because everyone else involved is like that much older,
I guess, And my dad doesn't use Facebook or Instagram or LinkedIn. So
how eventually hold of my cousin was via LinkedIn. My dad's cousin contacted me
of our Facebook. But she's got to be early sixties, so because I
had because then I kind of took up on myself to trap my cousin down.
Like I've kind of now somehow from having nothing to do with this situation,
I'm now at the center of it. Because nobody wants to speak to
each other, so I'm now kind of everyone wants through me. So like,
I've spoken to the woman who initially contacted me every day this week.
She's called me every day. My dad's texting me. I've just left the
other guy to it because he's got to obviously digest it, and kind of
everybody wants different things done with the ashes at this point. And now somehow
like the person who got in touch should really probably have president because no one
else who fuckingneed existed. Well yeah, well neither did she until the third
of Jumane apparently. So yeah, it's yeah, there's a more to the
backstory, but I really can't be asked going into it. It's not that
interesting. Someone else is going to die. Basically, they want to spend
their ashes with my NaN's ashes. That's how it all started. So yeah,
wild, wild, wild we But you've got a new little gay family
man. Yes that I'm excited. I'm discounted Harrod tune In, I know
exactly. I am super excited to meet him. And we've probably got obviously
a lot in common, and he lived in London. And I don't want
like now I've got contact with like two two members of my family. Essentially,
I don't want this situation to make it like a brief relationship for it
to become like tense or though to be loads of friction in dealing with this
essentially like, yeah, somebody wants the ashes, somebody else wants to spend
the ashes, somebody else thinks go somewhere else. So and I've got my
opinion about what should be done with them. So I don't really know how
to play it. I've got to like somehow. She says, fucking loads
of them. You have a teaboard in ashes, like fucking divvy at all.
But when they're going on, you think they're a bit fucking golden egg
in the box or something. The way people are going on about it,
like Kim Faberge that no one knew about. So yeah, where was that
energy? Then? Just wild, absolutely wild, and everyone's little bits about
it, and it's just been nuts. She's a woman in the man now
in bringing us to go beyond these that gets a results that sounds It's been
a lot, It's been a lot lot. I'm sorry, I'm talking about
a strange father's it's father's day to day on day. How am I doing
this segue? D daddy, No, I'm doing How does everyone feel about
this because you're both a stranger in your dad's my dad's dad. Oh,
mine's the only one still like I was in contact with them. Yeah yeah,
Well my dad's actually away, so he's in New York at the moment,
so yeah, cool with my mum. So it's just me and the
sisters at home. We face FaceTime them this morning. Someone in the car.
Yeah yeah. So it's so interesting talking to other members of the community
about their relationships with their parents. Yeah, so so interesting because I don't
have a relationship with my dad. Has discussed it last week, you John
on pointing, you can no one can see me you don't have a relationship
with your dad until something. Well, the thing is, I've kind of
I had a relationship with my dad always through my childhood, and it's only
only since i've like was seventeen we stopped speaking and then we had like a
brief like reconciliation a few years back, but we kind of just grew apart
because we haven't been having a lot in common and he did some pretty shitty
things that as a child I was didn't really understand. I didn't really understand
how how bad they were. They would affect my life as an adult,
but it's an adult. I was like, I don't need this, like
you're my dad and that's it. That's you know what I mean, Like
I just I can't be asked to deal with this. I daily basis nothing
like There wasn't like a terrible like finale to our relationship. It just one
day I didn't call him. He called me a few times like all his
calls, and that was it. There wasn't then that's fine for me,
Like I've got no interest in speaking to him because I don't think I don't
think it would be healthy for ee of us to do so. And when
we had reconciation, there was he called me like every day and takes me
every day, and I was like, I don't need this, Like what
have I got to you to talk about? And things that we used to
do in the past, so he could get pissed in the pub and we
were kids, right, it would take us to a spoon so we could
eat and he could get drunk all day, right, and um like it
was just like, okay, well you haven't you haven't moved on. You
to go back to the park if you just want to do that, And
you've actually no interest in my life. So yeah, it was just yeah,
it's just one of those things. I mean, you know you see
that you sometimes see that tweak, don't you, Like, no gays have
all five and it's like can drive own hair, Like healthy relationship, healthy
relationship with dad? Yeah, podcast on um get crippling anxiety, but it
is really interested. Like I think a lot of gay men out there particularly
do have testy relationships with with their dads sometimes. If you don't mind me
asking, Josh, we can ed, but do you have relationship with your
dads when you were growing up? Yeah, Like, I mean I think
it was in some ways it was complex because like, um, like my
mom and dad's a little when I was ten and we moved to like like
just outside of the city really so like more to the country side, and
he stayed there, and when they broke up, like we still spoke quite
a lot. He was you know, he's kind of a bit like classic
drinking and dad think in some ways, like it was quite strict in some
ways, and we I was very not great with authority, so I think
we did bought heads a little bit, and then he kind of he got
MS and so he became really ill, and so that did change the relationship
quite a lot. And that you know, he soon like whereas he was
really active before, he couldn't walk. Um, and then he went into
like a care home facility kind of thing, which was really a weird experience
as a child, you know, like being like twelve thirteen and going to
a care home and he was like there, you know, black done crack.
So he was literally there looking like thirty with all these like sixty seventy
plus people. It was quite quite strange spins, and it did shift the
way in which we engaged with each other, you know, Um, there
was less friction, but because of what was going on, I mean,
he wound me up sometimes a lot. Like he loved a deal, but
even like a ridiculous deal I told you about obviously the Harry Potter plants where
he bought my sister a pair of Harry Potter saying quidditch on the back by
juicy guitar. But there was no use, so it's kidditch like he just
like he spent like, you know, two hundred and fifty pounds on electronics
just before the twins were born. Um, like when we had no money,
and like none of it worked from the market, you know, he
was he was always right, so there was it was stubborn as hell.
So there were certain things that definitely did got him. But he was very
funny and amazing cook and like, um and yeah, actually in many ways
a really good dad. But I didn't come out to him, and I
think the Odess did have a big thing lot to do with that because I
just thought, you know, in such a situation where had it have gone
the wrong way, I didn't want to put myself in a situation where I
didn't want to go and see him anymore. Yeah, um, And I
just thought, yeah, I just didn't want to damage that relationship because it
just felt quite fragile, which is a shame because I actually probably who knows
whether how it would have been received. So yeah, like I do it
did have a good, good relationship with him, But you just always want
more time, don't you. If they and for anyone out there who has
lost a parent, you know, it's tricky because it's time. It is
days like this when you get reflective and you think about it. Um,
so yeah, I just shout out because it was sometimes these days when you
think, oh, I wish they were still here. So yeah, it's
always worth while like pointing out like the different dynamics that everyone goes through it
on Mother's and Father's Day, Like, there are so many different dynamics and
variations of quote unquote parents or guardians to kids growing up, especially in the
queer community of like just I struggle to know, Well, no, I
didn't know, that's all I Actually I know quite a few people who have
very like their parents store together, you know, very happy home. But
on the same on the flip side of the coin, I know a fair
few people who's you know, growing up didn't have that didn't have the kind
of relationship that they wished they could have had with their parents. And Father's
Day and Mother's Day are always days when you look back and you know you
have to you have to look at other people, and you know, some
people lost the parent and they had a good relationship with their parents. Some
people don't have good relationships their parents and don't talk to them, And there's
so many different dynamics. So yeah, it's very interesting. I love listening
to other people talk about if they can because it feels very like almost intrusive.
Yeah, yeah, what about you day because you're not out. No,
I am not exactly out to my parents or that was whoops. Um,
yeah, it's because well it's tricky. Um. But it's not like
I'm not out, but I'm just not out to them. I'm just not
out to family really. But I've not had the opportunity to say I'm gay
to them because I feel it will be very difficult. And I'm always someone
that I'm a very big family person, and I feel like it's a tricky.
It's just like tricky for me because i feel like at one point,
I feel like I'm going to let them down. At another point, I
feel like why why do I care about what they think at the end,
But at the end of the day, I still think like they my mom
and my dad. I mean, I love them dearly and I'm always going
to love them no matter what. Um. But I mean, yeah,
it's difficult things about it. It's it's yeah, it's something I think they
I think. I kind of no, but I don't. I don't.
Parents are great at doing that, like will ignorant thing. I'll wait until
like it's thrown in my face. But other than that, I must Yeah,
other than that, I'm just going to be oblivious to it. YEA
love that, Oblivio. Yeah, do you get on well with your dad?
Yeah? I do. I'm actually growing up, I probably didn't as
much, but we are like closer now. Um, I mean it was,
I mean my dad was a strict man. He's well, he's softened
now. It's softened up now, but he was very strict with us growing
up. And yeah, it's I'm I feel like I'm obviously it's going to
be a day where I'm going to tell them obviously, but at that it
won't be anytime soon until I am fully moved out and I have my own
place, and maybe, like if you have a partner or someone, you
really will feel like you want to come out for um, do you know
I'm actually really interested on another branch of this, I'm also sorry one second.
Sorry, I just had a program my throat and I was very aware
what was his name? And something else I'm really intrigued about is how this
generation will be in parenthood because I hear time and time again about a load
of my friend's parents being you know, super strict dads are usually like really
like not in touch with their emotions, like toxic masculinity, that kind of
vibe. And I feel like as we grow up as a generations get down.
You know, people are more in tune with their emotions. You know,
men understand that, you know it's not shameful for them to cry,
or you know you don't have to raise your child this way. You know
it's force me into playing football, or you do force to wear Disney princess
stresses or something. So I'm super interested to see what happens like in say
twenty years time, and see what people are saying about their dads. Then
when people of our generation become parents, talking of which I think it's really
drinking one because I think I would love to not be a strip parent.
I would love to be more of a child parent. But I know in
my heart of hearts that you're going to bring the cane out. No,
No, I would never like as the child he was smat up. I
would not small my children because in the end I started trying to smack back.
That's the problem. So like that, that was one of the reasons
I could never That was one of the reasons to me and my dad started
butting head because at the end, I was like, you want to go
like at this point, I'm I'm getting big now, don't slap me.
Oh exactly. You can now start to see the kind of child I was.
Fucking absolutely I wish I'd got as big as my dad before I started
speaking to him, because good way I was saying, shit, I would
not be here right now. At the end, it was just like,
you know what, like I just had had an absolute fuck enough, like
because you don't like, I don't want my children to fear me. It
was you know, that's the thing as well. I was. I was
scared. I was absolutely shit schedging, and I was not bigger than him.
I was tiny and I still am, but I was scrappy. I'd
say, that's what I think. That's one of the reasons why I didn't
have a relationship with my dad growing up, because I was more afraid of
him. So it's more out of fear rather than like love. I loved
my dad, I mean we did things together and everything, but there was
always that fear at the back of my mind that yeah, if I did
this, oh, it's gonna get the it's gonna get the belt out and
stuff like I mean, talking to someone who like I was raised with like
just just by my mum, Like I was talking to someone who's not a
parent as well. Like I think there's a difference between being like an authoritative
figure and being some being someone to be afraid of. Like I was afraid
of my dad and I don't want a relationship with with him. Now.
I respect my mum, and my mum was a great parent, and you
know, she was very lax with me in some ways, but if she
said something, I went with it. I wasn't going to go against my
mum's work, but I wasn't scared my mum. And I now have a
great relationship with my mum and I always have, And I was struggled to
have a that relationship with my dad because I was scared of him. Yeah,
I know that difference across the board. Yeah, my dad's like a
very very emotional man, Like I remember as a kid seeing my dad cry
all the time we had There was a long period of time after my mom's
up we didn't see each other. When we did start to each other,
get me out to each other through a contact center, so we had to
have supervised kind of with my dad. I remember being like seven eight years
old, and we went on a random fucking caravan holiday with my dad and
some other people, and my dad took me and my brother to the beach
and told us very graphically whilst in front of tears and pissed about two times
they tried to kid himself when we were when we were children, so that
my dad's has Like my dad never hit us. My dad was a really
loving dad, but in a to the point where he almost overcompensated, obviously
battled with alcoholism and try to kind of tell us too much. I get
s. Yeah, so I've never I've never feared my dad. I've pitied
my dad, I think for most of my life. And like my biggest
I guess like battle with myself with my dad is how would I feel when
my dad? How will I feel my dad inevitably dies. He he's probably
in the last five years of his life, Like, how am I going
to feel? How old is he? He's sixty one, but he has
been boozing forever. My mum saw him recently out and it's like he looks
clapped, like he does not he does not know. I justn'tin gut the
right way to you. Times like this when I wish we were a YouTube
channel because my faith. We were all looking passionately, and then he said,
he doesn't look you know, he doesn't it well. You know,
he's he's he's not he's not a well man. No, he's like,
you know, he's abused his body's whole life. Like you know, he
smokes and he's so long ago exactly. You know, he smokes forty fives
a day. He would get forty eight cans of Stella on his phone from
work on a Friday and it would drink them over the course for a weekend.
Like his abused his body so long, and that that's you know,
that is the only thing I don't It doesn't often lead me to think should
I make come to you with my dad? But I'm like, how am
I going to feel when my dad dies and we're going to regret the decisions
I've made? And the conclusion I come to more often than not is no,
I was I would reach out, but yeah, it's just that's the
kind of my bottle. Interestingly, actually, I went through something similar when
I was sixteen, I think fifteen or sixteen. This was maybe a couple
of years after I stoped speaking to my dad, and we got a phone
call for my grandma and I knew it's bad news because I was like,
I don't speak to any of you, so if you're calling, there's a
problem. And my dad had been in a car crash and it had been
nearly fatal, like the card flipped. He was in hospital for weeks and
they were getting in touch because they were like, we don't think he's going
to make it. And so that was the first time I ever had to
sit and make a choice. My mum sat me down and she told me
the facts and stats and was like, I'm I can't give you an answer.
She was like, you're fifteen or sixteen. I've order was done.
It's up to you. If you don't want to go, I support If
you want to go, I'll take you in the car. Yeah. And
I had to sit down and say to myself, my dad doesn't make it
and I don't go to see him, and it is not going to affect
me. Am I going to regret that? In the end, I didn't
go, And I feel no shame for that. Some people have tas looking
at me like wow, company David. But the thing was was that I
think I did see him afterwards when I knew he was getting better, but
I only saw a handful of times, and I was like, this is
just not for me. But making that choice was really hard, and I
just decided that I feel no shame. I don't think I should have to
make my decisions based on your inactions grow of growing up. You weren't there
for me growing up. You weren't apparent to me at all. Why should
I now feel bad because I now suffer from that relationship? And if you
die, I didn't make a man or something. Why is that down to
me? I'm the child. This is kind of your response, but this
is your mess. It's not like I was the mess and you're the parent
and should have to kind of pick me back up. I mean, you
are a mess, but like you're the one who's done wrong and you're the
parent, this is your responsibility to make better. More to the point,
now it's been far too much more into the bridge and we tried to make
amends. Now I wouldn't even give them the time that. I wouldn't respond
to a text, I wouldn't call him back, wouldn't even have an argument
with him to say I don't want to be anyone need, I just wouldn't
respond. Yeah, but that was super That was a really interest. That
was probably a time when I remember feeling like because that was roughly around the
time I also came out and I've never come out to my dad because I
haven't spoken to him. But one of the times when I felt like an
adult, like, but this is a decision, like, yeah, if
he dies, you're never going to see him again. And I think I'm
growing up. I've never really had obviously it will happen at some point,
but I've never grown I've had friends that have grown up and had people die
around them all the time, and I grew up and no one that I
knew died. It was still to this like someone has died now, but
um, it was one of those points where I was like, shit,
the death comes and makes you think, you're like, this is permanent.
It's that person goes, You're not getting them back, So make a decision
to make a wise one. And some people have advised me before. One
of my friends, one of my best friend's mums, I went for dinner
and she was like, she was like, when that person's in the grave,
you can't do anything, and my advice should be put all your demons
to the side, make amends for that one time, because it says more
about units about them. I completely underst where she was coming from, but
I won't do it. At the end of the day. I think there's
too much pressure on children to hold on to toxic relationships with her own absolute
can I also just go But I didn't slap my dad. I just like
that has been on your mind for a long time. I didn't slap my
dad, but I just refused to be slapped at the end, I was
just like, I'm not having it, Like, yeah, I just wanted
to say, fucking Tyson furiover. I'm doing a little bit of bitch laps
as we speak. But yeah, I do also want to just because you
mentioned made mention of it, I just want to give a shout out to
all y'all out there who have moms who are doing the job of dads because
men are what And also also I also like to because I shout out vice
ras as well, because there are some probably few, but there are some
there who are doing the job of both parents as well. Because some mums
I've heard of very very trash as well. Yeah, we're available. Oh
my god, oh yeah that's and to all the gay dads as well,
we love you, we see you. Congrats. Anybody's celebrating a father's day
to day. What kind of parent would you be? Do you think,
what's the point? Would you want kids? Would you want kids first?
And then what kind of parent would you be? Yes, I do want
kids. My mom wants me to have kids more than I want to have
kids. Hadly different story. I think I'd be fun, reckless dad.
I need I need Daddy number two one number one to be like, to
be like firm and fair and because I am like, we are going out
on the no, Daddy's gonna take you to the pub now. But I
would be like, I'm just a big your fond dad. Yeah, you'd
be fond. I'd be fun dad. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah,
we're going out, we're jumping in puddles with running through mud, and
then Dad number two that I'm going, oh, you're fucking muddy. Yeah
that's cute, that's nice. I just think I'm gonna be like my mom
like I'm so oh, yes, i do want kids, but I'm already
so like. I just I think I think I just I think i'd be
loving parent. I think I'd be in my fucking kids business all the time.
Yeah, you would, and probably be pushy because my mom was a
pushy parent as well, like not like you have to do this, but
whatever you're doing, you're doing it well. So like and I definitely have
that. I wouldn't let my child kind of just talk about like if when
it came to like doing work, they'd be like they would they'd have to
succeed, like they'd have to do that best. I no, not,
they don't have to succeed, but they just have to try that outs that
is important, not halfheartedly. I wish my mom a bit more pushy,
actually, I think I said in the podcast before I wish I wish my
mum had been like, go and try this, go to this class,
go to this class, go and play this sport, and kind of pushed
me to do more stuff because it was always as a child it was very
much like you can do that if you want, but I'm not going to
force you to do it. I wouldn't force my choice for anything they didn't
want to do, but I'd certainly make more suggestions and try and be like
get them to try more stuff because I didn't really have any hobbies when I
was a kid. So yeah, I think that's a really important thing,
four kids to have. I did like I did tat Bally Modern and the
Weekend they did saying that the whole you'd actually you'll actually find that, like
if and when you have kids of your own, that that would be a
blessing because what that means is you learn from your parents. Well I don't
want to say mistakes, but you learn from how your parents parent did you.
Yeah, and you're like, I liked what they did here that worked.
I didn't like what they did here, so I will never be that
kind of parent. Yeah, you'll find that that would be a blessing disguise
when you have your own kids. David, I would definitely have kids.
I mean work being a teacher has kind of like opened my eyes a bit
more um into the life of children and things like that, So I definitely
would want kids. I would be an awesome parent. I mean, I'm
not even going to ramp about that. I would be fucking awesome. Like
even all their mates kids will want me to be their dad of parent.
I reckon, you'd be strict. I would be for me. I would
be strict within measure, obviously, but I'd be I'd I think I'd be
fun, I'd be awesome. I mean, we can't have children. I'm
sorry. Yeah, I'd be a brilliant dad. I know that for a
fact. I'm going to be the one that rucked about I don't think I
want kids, do you know? I did used to say that, and
I still kind of sit on the fence. I used to say, I
sit on the fence, And to be honest, it will be down to
the man I marry. If the man that I'm married really want your kids,
I'm on the fence and I'm like, yeah, sure, drag me
off your side. He doesn't want If he doesn't want kids, it's also
not affect in my life. But I think I'm getting to a point now
where I'm making the decision of my own that I don't think I want kids.
I like the idea of being able to give them back, and every
day, every single day, someone else's kids gives me another reason why I
don't want to have them. I just I think I'm I think I can
say my own negative traits. I am selfish. I can't be self centered
and I'm just not responsible. But then again, I'm talking as a twenty
five year old. Yeah, ask me asking me responsible? Yeah, exactly.
It's more realistic than fine. I like the money. That's the one
thing as well. Like as I get older as a gay, I'm a
bit like do you know what? I love holidays? Like I want the
money that I earned to go on things that I want, not not on
eighteen years plus of your kids. I'm twenty five, my mom, still
I'll pay you. I could promise twenty six last Friday. Yeah, I
think I think I'll make a great uncle. I think I'll make a great
god parent. But like I said, I love the idea have it back.
Yeah, it's like I do think that for as as people who are
the same sex parents or those who can't biologically have sex with a like partner
and create a baby, you have to think about it a lot earlier,
you know, I mean, would you get I don't know what a podcast
of straight men is. It's not on my rage, But you can't imagine
them like you aving kids moved that like twenty five, they're going to be
like I just and as gay. It's one of the things you always think
about like, oh, am I gonna have kids? Like I really think
you think about it from it from from a really early age. Did your
mom listen to the podcast, by the way, Sometimes she does. She
listen to some of them. She loves it like she's she's a bad bit
like one and truly she's like, yeah, she's she's my Bessy. So
I do shout out to my boss, he's I know, it's listener apparently
iconic. I mean, taste, the taste jumped out. I mean I
was also think, sorry, I was gonna say, I'm also think of
probably adopting as well. Yeah, I think that's also one of the things
that puts me off as well. I like the idea of adopting, but
the process seems so daunting and long and like such a thorough thorough things go
through. I just almost don't think I could be bothered. And also I
think that they probably I think after taking a long evaluation, they'd be like
this one. No, he's not having kiss absolutely no. Just love to
like give a child, like to give a child that sort of security.
And do you love the idea of giving a child? You know it doesn't
didn't have the best starting. I do you love the idea of that?
Yeah, but the idea of getting there is I'm not smallly emotionally stable as
well, because actually a lot of children we're gonna gona breakers pay wrap this
up. We're not wrapping up because we'll be right back. Don't wrap up
if you want a baby though, Hey, Hondys, are you still here?
You better had baby? Welcome back, back, back, back,
meg again. We're still here, We're still queer um, and let's get
this fucking show on the road. I just wanted to I just wanted to
read this. It just really made me think about the conversation we were having.
It's like from Philip Larkin, and it's a it's a it's a poem,
and it's a they fuck you up your mom and dad. They may
not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they
had and some extra just for you. So happy fathers to everybody. Love
that I own clutching my pearls. Wait, I should also judging my Davis
reaction, I'm saying, love that I actually didn't listen to a way something
else. I have no idea what you just said, so I hope I
didn't I'll listen back when I listened to the episode, bastard content. So
we've got a dilema, right, you need to look at me, not
John, and I've got it. Oh okaycast. My favorite things do in
this podcast is when something goes wrong. I'm like, remember when we recorded
fun fact, Well you would have guess if you listened to the listen to
the episode. But it was the time when we recorded the episode back to
front and we did the dilemma bit first and then we recorded the main bit
afterwards. I'm hosting and I'm like, hi and welcome back. This isn't
the wrong way round. So terrible at this but okay, so do you
have a dilemma, it says, Hi, guys, I have a bit
of a double pronged dilemma. The first issue is that I never really have
the chance to meet anyone new, like a potential partner. I don't really
like going out to bars or club clubs much, and working life has me
exhausted pretty much constantly. David, you at this. I don't have any
gay friends either, so I feel kind of cut off from the community.
The second issue is that I've never been able to find anyone over the so
let me start again. My reading just escaped me. The second issue is
that I've never been able to find anyone over the years to have sex with.
I'm thirty and I've never had what many would class of sex just a
few bjs. I'm now getting progressively worried that it will never be part of
my life, and because it's been so long, I'm kind of scared to
get physical with anyone that doesn't understand my inexperience. Do you guys have any
thoughts or advice? Thanks? Yes, I was going to read the brackets,
but but I don't need to. Perhaps we should go at this in
two parts. Yeah, that's so the first best meeting someone meeting a potential
partner. He was saying pronged before prongeded. I swear I said pronged.
Maybe it did listen to me. Well for the first pronge the first prone,
I would say, like, Okay, I don't know where you live
or whether it's particularly like there's a lot of gays in your area, but
I mean I would just try and utilize social media. I know we've said
this a lot of the time, so I don't want to kind of retry
old ground. Go on things like gapers which is GA y P E r
U S before you start Dave. It will link directly to David's home page.
Yeah um. And and also just things like meet up I think can
be really good for things like that joining an LGBT sports club, I think
it would be a great way to kind of meet people, and also just
nosing around seeing what's going on in the bars. Be brave, take yourself
out, Like I think it can be a bit scary going out in your
in but if you want the dick, then that's certainly one way to try
and go and get it. I r L in real life. I'm going
to really assow here please as you all do continue Like I do understand that
work life can be exhausting, trust me, I really do, But like
you do need to help yourself. Like if if you do really want to
make gay friends, then you are going to have to like take the step.
And it's and it's affecting you that much, then you know, do
you make the effort to go out? And I said, you don't want
to because you're tired, But there's only so much we can advise. If
if you just want to sit in between you all four walls. Like,
you know, we give them our advice all the time, the amount of
times you've chated out gaybys, amount of times if they go to a gaate
sports club like we do get these mbers a lot. And it's and it's
sad to hear that people don't have the sort of networks of gay people around
them that we do. But there is only so much that we can do
for you from afar without you, you know, you know, being brave
and taking that step into a gay bar where you're likely to make friends,
if you're just brave enough and open enough to go and do that and takes
what it takes bravery though, it does take it, and I think it's
one of those things that you know, if you're feeling isolate from the community,
it takes sometimes a bit of it. I would say, volunteer in
any LGBT organizations locally as well. It can be a good way. To
me. There were always people, look, it's actually a really good idea.
Oh my god, we've done it, episode thirty eight idea Josh Willis
John John's like it's true, first time truly, But yeah, I didn't
know. That can be a good way as well. Like something around like
volunteer in your time and I know you yeah, John, I mean John
clearly blaming bad cop here, like go out and do something, but it
does. I know it takes take time, but you do have to make
that make these new connections. I've spoken time and time again about how it's
difficult to make friends like so this is like almost like a double pronged dim
within a double probinct dilemma because on the one hand, the person who wrote
this mentioned meeting a potential partner and also being cut off in the community.
So if you're looking for friends, it's super difficult as an adult to make
friends because you're out of a situation now where you're kind of thrown together to
make friends like UNI or school. You're not in that situation anymore. Unfortunately,
there are only so many avenues you can go down to make friends.
And that also goes for like getting a partner as well. So, like
Josh said, like utilizing social media, that's how I have most of my
friends. They mostly come from that. I'm I understand the not wanting to
go out on your own or not wanting to get it because you're tired.
Like I've fully understand that I want to I never want to go anywhere.
But if it's something that's really getting you down and you're finding that the avenues
you've already gone down haven't worked, then it's time to kind of step out
of your comfort zone and try something new and see what happens there. Whether
that going out. It doesn't have to be on a Saturday night. Maybe
you can be on one the quiet night, so maybe it could be a
Tuesday night or a Friday night or something like that. That's quite busy Wednesday
night. But there's always going to be somebody at work who you know,
try and find like the lid of avivacious one at work. It doesn't mind
talking to anybody and be like, heyah, there's always one. Let's go
to the gay bar. There'll be one up for it. Also, maybe
I said this offer, but there was Chappy. You've done like a refurbishment
of there he said it was, yeah, so Chappy have done like a
refurb of their app, not done another one. Yeah, but this one
I actually like, and this one like fully separates. If you're looking for
all days, you're looking for commitment, if you're looking for casual, or
if you're looking for friends, So you can if you download Chappy and then
just go across the tabs and two you at the friends. You're swiping for
friends, which I do understand is like kind of an odd set because how
are you kind of deciding who's swipe right on if it's a friendly thing.
Yeah, but everyone just swipe right out of them. Yeah, just suck
it, just go for the blinkers. But yeah, and on the casey
getting a partner again, I would say, show social media and dating apps
or just getting out there. Just fortunately, someone's not going to walk into
your house and not going to be your boyfriend without you calling the police.
Especially, I mean, I think you're right, Chappy Hinge, tender grinder,
get yourself on it. And actually, but firstly, I do want
to say, don't worry, do not worry about being thirty and yeah that's
the next but I forgot, You're not You're not alone. What you're going
to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not the end of the
world. I mean there's I mean, we'll say, well, I'm just
rehashing what everyone said. Social media, especially, um, that's how I
found most, well mostly, if not all, of my gay friends.
Common interests there are going to be loads of people out there who are interested
in the same thing. Maybe you just like, I don't know, reply
to somebody. I know it sounds weird, but yeah, reply to people
you don't know. Get the conversation going. Yeah, but that's how you
that's how you make for that's how we know we will know each other.
We reply to Ben's tweet, as we talked about in great detail last week,
but about getting dicked down, like I do think, I mean,
just calling up, I would say what it is, I would say,
you got to get on the apps. Um, And actually people might like
in experience, I think people sometimes like that. You know, if you
were like, you know, I've never done this before, you'll get people
in your in We're going to show you the away. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. I mean it might not have their best they might not
have the best intended to think about it. But I mean, if you
just if you want the day quick time, then I reckon that might actually
be enop work. You normally give such good advice, but that is the
worst advice ever gave you. He shouldn't so badly, No, I don't
think it's the one to show him with Darrow. No, I don't think
for that at all. I'm going back to good cop, Like, I
don't think that we should encourage this person to suddenly rush to be ripped a
shrede like wait wait wait wait wait wait okay. What I think we should
we should focus on here first is not how to get laid, but how
like like no, no, no, no no no, not how to
find it, but how to like how you should be feeling about this,
Like I don't feel like you should be feeling uncomfortable or in any way like
you're like a bad gay for being inexperience, and like I feel like if
that's something that you're worried about, which you said you mean you're worried that
other people will be like they won't like because you're inexperience, don't worry about
that because if they're if they say something, if they're if they're not happy
with your inexperience or they're not, that says more about them than it does
use to speak. So like if someone's like, well, I can't go
any because you're like you haven't done anything like what or if someone wants to
judge you for not being experienced by thirty that says more about them than you,
and you shouldn't pay attention to those people. So be more. Be
comfortable with where you're right now. I think that should come first, and
then what you'll find is that everything will kind of fall into place, but
fall into place as you're like being active to find that wouldn't drop on your
lap. Yeah, it won't drop it, It won't drop into your it
won't drop like that. But like, yes, once you're comfortable with where
you're at, you will find that you're more confident to start doing things that
are outside of your comfort zone. Yeah right, yeah, And like I
think with gay friends and doing those things, being around more gay people will
lead to like dick, like no doubt, Yeah, there's pride. Pride
is coming up. You know, I'm laughing at Josh to clarify, No,
I'm not saying like I'm you know, if you ain't ready for the
apps or anything like then then don't then don't do it. But if you
do want to, I think that that might be a quick a quicker route
sometimes. I mean, I don't think there's Emma reads like they're in a
massive rush to get fired. I think I don't know if they're not doing
the fucking's sap. Well okay, sorry sorry, top erasure rides matter,
top rights really do matter. I'm sick of it. Really funny tweet saying,
um bottoms were inducing anymore? If top someone up like ship that they
can get it. But yeah, like her viva bottom. But I do
think that we like I do think that be comfortable in yourself, but push
yourself, you know, like just go out your comfort zone a little bit.
Um And yeah, I would say they'll know the app, see what
happens. You don't have to meet anyone, but if you get the vibe,
you could meet somebody fantastic. Yeah, and just also as on aside
from that, just also make sure that like when you're going out of your
comfort zone or when you're you know, downloading these apps, that you're staying
safe and that you're not patting yourself in any danger Like obviously we're not encouraging
you to do something wild and no, we're not doing that. Yeah,
I'm just making it the su Like, I'm sure you're an adult and you
know how to look after yourself, but I'm just making sure that you're not
pat yourself in any dangerous situations um, yeah, fucking out more thought.
Dam must''s the way you're going, and Ben will track your whole evening,
drop your drop your life location. But I hope you do get like,
you find more friends and you get at the dick as well. We're done.
I think you done. Yeah, what's everyone up to this week?
Come in anything exciting? No, I'm just gonna probably just track down someone
belong lost family. I don't really know how to be looking. I'll get
Divina and Nikki on the blow when you do an ITV. Initially I was
really excited, as you can imagine. I was ready for a long lost
family are Oh yeah, I've got nothing planned? Josh, what are you
doing? I think I've only mentioned it. I did. I mention it
on the podcast What You Go You did? I'm going to la. I
don't know now what you doing, babes? Nothing? You need a holiday,
a good holiday, and haven't booked anything. So it's going to be
a last minute thing. That the best thing, and it's going to be
expensive as well because all the kids are off as well at the same time.
Yeah, you're going away, I might come with you actually, yeah,
oh yeah, we're going just the two of us just a couple's retreats.
Sorry, we're going to a Sandals finger blasting on the beach. I'm
going. I'm going inute September, going to sight Press for two weeks and
Josh might comfort Yeah, not the whole time. You see so close.
We think we are in to sense something here. I really am. I
remember I came to record this podcast one time and Josh had been in his
bed all night. That was all day a blanket. Yeah, I mean
if you could still leak him Yeah, wasn't It wasn't foined it. But
honest series no, no, like we speak most days. So yeah,
I would say you're one of my best stuff. Thanks. I pop up
and be like, yeah, I can record. I can't record and talk
to you again. Occasionally message Ben during the weekend, she's listened to the
podcast, like, yeah, he didn't we tweet it. Sorry, I'm
very you can't. You can't just responsible are you doing this week? Ben?
Nothing? That's finish that book were trying. We're trying one last time
at Ben at the end of a line, now reminds me, Okay,
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