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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
a new episode of the Poker Girl Podcast.

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I promised you all an interview with
Daniel Wineman y ka Daniel win Maine,

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the twenty twenty three World Series of
Poker Main event champion. Tim is

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laughing at me on the video because
we're doing this remotely, but here we

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are. I spoke with him the
other day. He invited me up to

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his suite. Quite nice of a
suite they have over at Horseshoe. I

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didn't really know that it was that
nice. But you go up to like

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this whole separate floor upstairs, you
gotta have a key to access it.

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You gotta have a key to go
into these doors on the inside. Look,

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it's pretty baller. Not gonna lie, but yeah. We'll just throw

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it to the interview now, got
about twenty minutes or so, and then

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we'll come back into and I will
react to what Daniel Wineman had to say.

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All right, Daniel Winman or should
I say Daniel win Maine. First

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thing I got to ask is who
who came up with the last name?

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That was a buddy of mine from
Georgia Tech. His name is Stan That

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that was the first thing he texted
me was just that name, Daniel win

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Maine, and I thought it was
too good not to change my Twitter handle

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for at least for a couple of
days. Of course, now it's been

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a couple of days since you won
the main event twelve point one million dollars.

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I know after you immediately won,
Karas Scott puts a mic in your

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face and it's like it just happened
two minutes ago. There's a lot of

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thoughts going through my mind. But
now has it sunk in a little bit

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more? It still hasn't. I
mean, I don't know how long it's

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going to take. There's probably been
three or four moments in the past two

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days where it just kind of hit
me all of a sudden. I was

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Toby and I were on the golf
course yesterday. I was standing over a

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pud and just had to back off. It was just like, I just

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want the man. So I think
it'll all sink in when we get home

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and life starts to get back to
normal, or as normal as it can

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be. Up until this year,
you haven't really had too much success in

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the main event. You had one
kind of deepest run one hundred and seventy

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third place in twenty twenty one.
But other than that, I mean you

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joked on Twitter being over ten like
all this sort of stuff, looking at

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those like, well, what was
it that you were just unable to produce

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any results? I really did not
like this tournament for the first ten to

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fifteen years, you know, coming
at the end of the series, you're

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obviously pretty burnt out, and then
to sit down and see two hours on

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the clock in between levels, even
though that's the same as every other tournament

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you get two hours between breaks.
For some reason, just seeing an hour

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forty seven left and a level just
didn't sit well with me for some reason.

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And I always just did something stupid
or punted early and probably gave away

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six or seven, you know,
potential runs in main events, just wanting

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to be done. I played the
main event for the first time last year,

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and I feel that same thing.
I remember, like looking at the

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clock and they'd be like, there's
ante, there's an hour thirty level.

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What is we're still playing? Same? Like can we speed this up?

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Like we can we get it moving? So I understand what you're saying there.

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So then does it help that you
went home for a month or so

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beforehand before this monament. Yeah,
that was the biggest help in this run.

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Every other year, it's just been
here from the start to the finish

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and play poker every day and no
breaks. And having this month at home

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to kind of recharge, you know, see friends and family, you know,

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be with Sarah, go into work
and kind of forget about poker for

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a little bit. Just made me
come out so recharged and ready to play.

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Everyone of course knows about the jack's
hand, jack's versus queens versus kings,

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but there was a couple other very
big hands that you were involved in.

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One was, I believe you had
ace king of diamonds versus aces,

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and the woman Debbie Lee flopped an
ace as well, and then you went

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run and run or flush so and
then there was you had ace king of

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spades versus jacks of Chris Lee and
queens of another player when it ended up

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folding when you flopped the trips.
But like I guess, just talk about

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like the big hands of the big
moments, like does it ever just start

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feeling like this is your tournament,
this is my run, this is my

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time? It does? You know? The ace king and diamonds vers devis

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aces was such an interesting hand for
so many reasons. I mean, I

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think in any other tournament you would
just say, oh, it's just a

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standard cooler they got in. You
know, I can't even tell you what

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the blind level was at that point, but probably sixty or seventy big lines

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we got in, and it's something
that in the main event you might not

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want to do. But she had
been playing fairly aggressively and it was very

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funny because I know her boyfriend also
made a deep runt in the event.

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I saw the two of them talking
on break ten minutes before this hand happened,

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and I had played with him the
day before and seen him four bet

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bluff a few times, and I
had gone after him a few times.

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So in the back of my head, I'm thinking that she's going to him

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on break saying, you know,
Dan's three betting me, Like what am

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I going to do? So I'm
thinking, Okay, maybe he's telling her,

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Okay, maybe four bet like the
first time. So if I don't

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see them talking on break, do
I still make the five bets of If

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I see that she hasn't just done
an interview with Jeff Platt, do I

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not know that I'm going to win? The all in so many weird like

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coincidences happen in that hand and then
the jack's versus queens versus king's hand,

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which old you know, go down
forevers you know, my most famous hand

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probably once you hit that jack,
you know, I go right to the

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to the rail and Sean Deep says, this is your this is your tournament.

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Now, I mean, is that
is that the most memorable moment then?

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I mean, or is it or
is it trumped by you know,

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the winning moment. That's probably going
to be the most memorable moment for so

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many reasons. You know, obviously, you know, hitting the two adders

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incredible, you know, Unfortunately,
busting one of my really good friends and

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Josh Payne and just I didn't see
it in the moment, but have rewatched

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the video so many times and seeing
the pain on his face, I mean,

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it sucks. It's it's just we
we've talked about it since and you

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know, we both know it was
probably a two to three million dollars real

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money pot that you know, you
don't want to play those kind of pots

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against your friends. You know,
I'm the kind of person I wish everybody

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could win, but unfortunately that's not
how it goes. There was a lot

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of pain in that hand, no
pun intended, but you had kind of

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a pained look on your face when
you saw the jack's knowing what had happened

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in front of you. Then you
move all in and even before the money

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goes in, Josh is like,
oh my god, like does someone really

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have aces here? You know?
So that moment is just it's got to

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be how to control, right you
win the hand, right you hit the

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jack, that the river's clean?
Are you kind of feeling like a sense

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of a free roll in a way
like you should be out now you're still

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in? Like how does what goes
to your mind there? And how are

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you able to sit back down and
like play because they talk about all the

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time like taking bad beats and you
have to recompose yourself. But there's also

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like uptill and like getting really excited
and then you can kind of freak out

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in that way too, So how
are you able to just get back down

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and like focus again? Yeah,
it's you're one hundred percent right that you

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have to refocus, you know.
As soon as the hand happens, I

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think I shoot up to seventy million
in chips. I'm probably maybe eighty.

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And I think I'm second in chips
at that point. And Josh Arier was

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on the rail as well and calls
me over before another hand is dealt and

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my heart is racing, you know, two hundred and fifty beats a minute

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probably, and Josh says, breathe, like you still got to go play

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poker, Like there's still an hour
in this level. Like it's great,

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you have all these chips, You're
going to win this tournament, but like

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you need to go back and play
poker. And I tried, but it

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was probably a good two hours and
like deep into the next level before I

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even felt like things were back to
normal, like and I could compose myself

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again. How is it with that
support system you mentioned Sean d Josh Are

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There's also Matt Clance. It's like
there's a lot of guys that are in

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your corner. You've been around for
a while. You're one of the nicest

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guys in poker by far. You
know, how was it being able to

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just kind of like recenter yourself with
the support of them all throughout the tournament?

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It's incredible. I mean I've always
said that, you know, having

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good people to talk poker with to
have in your corner is so important for

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any poker player. I mean,
so many of these guys now, I

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think they do a lot of it
on their own and they're at home with

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the solvers and locked in a room, and they are ten times the poker

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player I am. But you know, having these people to talk talk things

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through with and get advice from at
or away from the table is just so

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invaluable. You make the final table, you're doing pretty well and Chips,

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it's the madeament is so crazy because
it's so long. It's like a two

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week long thing. It's a marathon. It's certainly not a sprint, and

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it's kind of in a way like
two tournaments in one you're almost playing to

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get to the final table, and
then it's like resets for a sitting go

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in a lot of ways, Like
what are your thoughts going into the final

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table? Is they're a feeling of
I made it? Is They're a feeling

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of like this is my shot?
Like what's going through your mind at that

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point because you do have a whole
day off and you hit the golf course,

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you know, so hopefully trying to
get away from that mindset a little

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bit as well. It's it's crazy. I mean the day off was probably

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the most stressful day of the whole
tournament, to be honest. You know,

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Toby and I went out and golfed
and that, you know, took

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some of the stress off for a
few hours. But I knew I had

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so much friends and family coming in
and all of them were texting me.

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You know, some of you know, the ones that understood poker kind of

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knew that I needed to be away
from it all. But everybody else,

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you know, you know, my
parents are incredible, but they are blowing

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up my phone NonStop. It's like, you know, we're getting in.

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Where do we go? You know, what do we do? How do

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we check in? And I'm like, I just I can't deal with all

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this right now. And I'm so
fortunate that Sarah kind of took the helm

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on that got all of the parents
set up, got all of the friends

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in and taken care of and really
just let me kind of relax and focus

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before the two biggest days. That's
great. Then you make it to three

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handed play, right, So you
got Adam Walton, You've got Stephen Jones.

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Adam Walton comes out of the gate
and it's like playing his style that

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we've seen throughout the whole tournament.
Stephen Jones is playing probably his style as

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well, a little bit more conservative, you know Walton specifically like wasn't scared

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to put money in the pot,
wasn't scared to play big pots. Is

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that what you expected for three handed
play? Yeah, I wasn't exactly sure

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what to expect. I kind of
had a feeling that coming in they both

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kind of viewed me as the favorite, even though Steven came in with a

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slight chip lead. So I had
a inkling that maybe their coaches had said,

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you know, let's try to play
big pots with you know, the

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other person, get heads up with
Wineman with a big chip lead. That's

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kind of how I would have taken
it if I was one of them.

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Well, they I'll tell you that
they when I talked to them at times,

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they both cited you having big chips
and kind of being worried about that,

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which kind of seemed a little bit
weird to me, to be honest,

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because you don't want to like feign
any sort of lack of confidence at

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that point. You want to be
like, Yes, obviously, Daniel was

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a very good player, there's a
lot of very good players in this tournament,

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but you've also made it here too, and you have a pretty The

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chips were pretty even at that point, so it's interesting that you kind of

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heard about that or knew about that
and like picked up on it. Well,

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it was a little strange. I
know you said that, you know

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you mentioned them saying that, and
I thought it was. There were at

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least two times at the final table
where I played pots against at him and

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ended up winning them. One was
aces when he turned sixes into a bluff

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for two streets, and one was
just a smaller pot earlier at the final

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table when he just looked at me
and said, you're the last person I

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want to give chips to. And
I'm sitting there thinking like, is this

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just is he like trying to get
in my head or something like Well,

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then there was a hand riveted queen
with these queen He had sevens in the

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big blind. He didn't three bet
you're open, But I thought I was

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watching the hand at the time and
I thought, well, if Steven Jones

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would open, I think he would
have three bet you know versus you,

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which you know. I think that
goes back to what you're seeing where he

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said earlier in the final table,
I don't want to play hands and big

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pots against you specifically. Yeah,
it kind of makes sense. I remember

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the hand. I haven't gone back
and watched yet, so I didn't know

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he had sevens. He had mentioned
flatting a bigger hand prix. But it

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does kind of make sense that they
kind of wanted to place smaller pots against

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me, not get into big spots. I think I have this reputation of

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being willing to go for it in
big spots and make big calls that other

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people wouldn't necessarily make, and maybe
just make better decisions in big pots.

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So it seemed like they wanted to
play much smaller pots with me, including

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even in heads up. You know, I was so shocked when Steven started

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limping buttons heads up as deep as
we were not to want to play bigger

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pots in position. Yeah, I
want to ask you specifically about the heads

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at play. So Jones comes in
first. He starts raising I think the

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first two or three hands, and
they were larger sizes. You were going

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I think the big blond was two
and a half million. You were going

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to six million. He was going
to like eight and a half, you

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know, so that starts, then
he quickly switches and he starts limping.

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Then he goes back to raising for
what was ultimately the final hand. But

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I mean, how did you take
to his strategy? At first? He

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was raised for the first two or
three hands, then he went to limping,

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So how did you kind of were
you like kind of shocked or surprise

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in a way. I was completely
shocked when heads Up started. I mean

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I've played very little heads up poker
outside of being heads up in tournaments,

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and I think I've done fairly well, like over my career and that,

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but definitely no expert in heads up. Kind of just have a very basic

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strategy that I use, you know, making it six million and adding a

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third of the thirty three percent on
the flop, and it ended up,

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you know, making a lot of
money when I was on the button.

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But for him to come out and
make it three and a half x the

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first hand and then you know two
and a half x the next hand and

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then start to throw in some limps. I had the feeling that he was

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getting some coaching kind of before Heads
Up started, and he was trying to

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do too many things and eventually he
kind of settled into I think what he

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wanted to do, which would start
to limp all off the buttons. But

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it definitely threw me for a loop
just to come out and have to face

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all these different sizings and have some
marginal hands that I knew wh I'd defend

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against the mid Rays, but suddenly
can't defend against you know, the eight

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and a half million opens. So
what was ultimately the final hand? He

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comes in with the Rays, You
defend the king jack off. You both

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flop top hair, but your kickers
better. You get a check raise in

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on the flop, you bet the
turn, you size it up a bit.

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He goes into the tank for like
I felt like three minutes, and

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he's at times it was like he
kind of looked like he was strong,

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then he looked like he might be
weaked, and it was really interesting.

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I mean, what's when he's tanking
for that long? What do you what

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are you thinking? I mean,
how are you thinking it? Are you

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just are you really just kind of
worried about like not giving anything off yourself?

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Right? It's funny because you know, I think I've heard since then

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it was like almost exactly four minutes
he tanked before he shut of, it

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felt like fifteen It was definitely the
longest tank I've ever faced in a hand,

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And once it gets past like the
minute or two mark, it feels

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genuine. It feels like genuine uncertainty, like I don't know what to do,

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and to me, it just kind
of screamed he had a medium strength

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and which it's going to be a
weaker jack or some middle pocket pairer that

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he doesn't know what what to do, doesn't want to face a big bed

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on the river, so kind of
just wants to try to shut out my

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draws. You know, if I'm
him in that spot, I just call

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and reevaluate the river, which ultimately
would have gone check check on the ace,

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and he's still in the tournament.
But you know, I can't fault

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him. It's it's such a big
spot. You know, he has what

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should be the best hand, as
it's such a draw heavy board, and

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as some you know, neither of
us have a ton of heads up experience.

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I can't I can't say I wouldn't
have done exactly what he did.

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Now, there was another kind of
interesting spot on this hand. He tanks,

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then he jams, which is kind
of surprising a little bit, you

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know that he jammed after that long
but then you like kind of stand up

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and he says, I faded the
snap call, Like, so what does

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that tell you anything? That must
tell you more that he has a medium

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strength and right absolutely, you know
that's something we think internally all the time,

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but to say it out loud when
we're playing for all of this money,

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I was like, it just kind
of made me more confident in my

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read kind of exactly where he was
at. And then you know, I

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stood up and just kind of made
sure of everything. You know, yeah,

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it was gonna I mean, you
didn't snap call, but it was

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also like you were never folding from
what I saw. It was like,

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I just want to kind of verify
the count that it's in the ballpark of

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what I thought, and I'm gonna
call because there is you know, six

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million dollars or whatever it is on
the line here. Let's not just go

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crazy. Ye in any other tournament
in the world, you know, after

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you know, his long tank and
clear tough decision, I would have called

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in half a second, but it's
just like you said, like I just

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had to make sure, you know, heads up. I felt like I

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was winning heads up, but I
wasn't exactly sure where the counts were at,

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so I wanted to make sure it
wasn't you know, almost even in

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chips, and I had somehow lost
some pots heads up with that really realizing

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it. But like as soon as
I stood up, I could even hear

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from the rail like, oh,
he's calling, he's calling, It's over.

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Well. I always say when I'm
giving the commentary that you never stand

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up and fold. You always stand
up and call. It's a rule.

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So we knew you were calling when
you stood up. We mentioned the money.

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I have to ask you, what
was there a deal? Because there's

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a lot of back and forth on
social media, so what's fruck Straight from

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the source, there was no deal. The three of us, when we

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got down to three handed, talked
about a deal. And I don't really

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want to get into anyone's business too
much, you know. I know a

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lot of people have investors. I
know a lot of people would rather keep

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this stuff quiet. But we didn't
make a deal. We talked in the

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morning a little bit about it.
Steven and I were kind of the most

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vocal, and Adam kind of seemed
to want to go for it, which

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is kind of how we played,
so you know, it kind of makes

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sense exactly. So you know,
we we briefly talked, we couldn't really

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come to an agreement, and I'll
just you know, I think that text

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in the group chat was let's just
have fun today, boys, and then

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heads up playing no deals there.
I mean, you had a big lead,

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so that's a little bit different you. I think you were about three

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to one in chips. Yeah,
that was another one because Steven and I

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had talked separately that we might consider
a deal heads up, because no matter

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what, if you think you have
an edge, and you know, I

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probably thought I had some small edge
over him, heads up. You don't

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want to play heads up for six
million dollars. You know, I don't

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know what amount of money you would
need to, you know, be comfortable

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playing that stakes. But I don't
have that money. So when we got

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we had talked separately and said,
you know, if we get heads up,

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let's reconsider. And we got heads
up, and I don't know,

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I just felt so confident in the
moment the people I had on me.

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I went to my rail after busting
Adam and asked them, like, you

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know, what do you guys think, and they said you're gonna win.

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So we Steven and I met briefly
on the break between Heads Up, and

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I think he was kind of expecting
us to talk, and I said,

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you know, I just I'd like
to play for like finish the level out.

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Let's see how Heads Up goes.
If we get closer to even and

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chips, maybe we'll make a deal. And it wasn't meant to be like

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an intimidation tactic, but I think
he took it that way, and like,

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I do want to apologize because it
wasn't It wasn't meant to throw him

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off his game or anything. It
was just kind of in the moment I

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felt like I couldn't lose. Yeah, I mean that's understandable. You had

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about three to one. I think
he had about one hundred and sixty million

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or so. You had four or
forty million. You had just knocked out

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Adam Walton. You know, so
even if the chips were the same going

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into Heads of Play, if Stephen
Jones were to have knocked out Walton,

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maybe he feels a little bit more
momentum. So you know, in that

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regard, you know, it's understandable, and you know, your apology sounds

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very genuine, so good on you
for that. Have you been congratulated by

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Donald Trump? Have not heard from
the don our mutual friend. Maybe that's

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because you called him out on the
broadcast about moving the ball or something.

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It's it's very possible. It's very
possible. I think it's you know,

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that's kind of widely known that he
bends the rules a little bit out there

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on the golf course, but maybe
it hasn't been made public, you know

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on TV before. We have like
a close mutual friend that you know,

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this guy HP who lives in Philly
that plays a lot of golf with Trump

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and has become friends with me through
golf and poker, and he's been congratulating

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me NonStop. But honestly, like
it's been there have been so many messages

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from friends and family that I still
haven't gotten through everything. So and maybe

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sitting in there, you never know. So you played poker for a while,

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then you kind of got out of
it. You know, you're doing

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the whole RF poker thing right now. Now you're back and you win the

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main events. Where does Daniel Wineman
go from here? It's such an interesting

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question, you know, I've told
everyone so far that I don't think my

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life will change very much, and
I still think that's that's true. I

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mean, I'll be home tomorrow.
The real world, will you know,

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come calling, And I truly enjoy
what I'm doing with RF poker. Um.

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The reason I took a step back
from poker was I wasn't enjoying it

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anymore. So to just win the
main event and and league go back to

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doing what was ultimately making me miserable
for the last five years, I just

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can't see that happening. So I
talked to a lot of people this year

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because I was really struggling with this, you know, in the past few

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months, and the most successful ones
all kind of told me the same thing,

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that poker is a fantastic hobby and
just a terrible way to make a

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living. And I couldn't agree with
that more. Now that you've won the

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main event, you've won twelve million
dollars, does it take that pressure off

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and you can really now treat it
as a hobby? I think it does.

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You know, more money obviously makes
life a lot easier. You know,

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I'll be I'm not the first person
to say that I won't be the

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last. But I still I have
no desire to go play the highest stakes

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in the world and play the best
in the world. I'm still going to

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do the things that I enjoy and
just try to live my normal life.

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You come back next year, your
banners on the wall, what are you

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thinking? It's maybe it'll sink in
then it still doesn't feel real. Three

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handed. The seat that I was
sitting in at the final table had like

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a perfect view of the last few
minute event champions, and it was like

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I couldn't stop myself from thinking,
like is my banner going to be up

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there next? And it like it
just all came together, all right.

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That was twenty twenty three World Series
of Poker Maine, him and champion Daniel

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Weinman. What do you think Tim
good winner, bad winner? Yes,

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good winner. I think he's going
to be around. I think he's a

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good ambassador for poker. I'm just
not really sure how much he actually will

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play. We get the hint that
you know, maybe he'll just continue working.

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The money isn't life changing, so
I'm not sure if he's going to

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be like espen or KRII playing all
the high rollers, playing all the events.

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Well, you heard him. You
heard him say that he doesn't really

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have an interest to play. That's
fine, which is fine. You know,

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his wheelhouse is more of um I
would say ten K and under and

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then if it's a ten cave and
it's probably like those ten k mixed game

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events, those championship events that they
have of the World Treos of Poker.

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So yeah, I think he'll be
good. Like he in the interviewed the

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year. He's so well spoken,
He's done a lot of press already,

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gives everybody, you know, the
full amount of time to answer questions.

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So on that side of things,
I think he's going to be great.

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Yeah. And I don't know if
you saw it today. It's Friday,

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July twenty feet on social media,
but he tweeted a photo of back at

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the office. Yes, I wonder
if that's I wonder if that was a

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staged photo. I wonder if it
was, you know, just him like

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I'm gonna pop in say hello to
the team. Maybe we'll do a little

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photo, or if he was actually
their grinding code. It looked like he

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was actually grinding code, but who
knows. We should actually take that photo

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photo shop the background on the screen
to like the key moment from the main

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event run like he's rewatching it.
We should stop that, you know,

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stop the meme train going. That'd
be great. Seaan deeb mentioned that he

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missed an opportunity to be wearing the
bracelet. Yes, he did in the

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in the photo. I mean everyone
always asked it. If you know the

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win event champ is you know,
good in terms of being an ambassador for

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the game. I think Wineman will
be. Um. You know, I'm

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kind of like you, I don't
know how much we're gonna see of him,

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Like just in terms of out there
grinding the tournament circuit. He got

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away from doing just that. Um
in recent years, even this year.

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You know, he came out at
the beginning of the World Series of Poker,

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then he took about a month off, then he came back for the

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event obviously wanted. So I think
we'll see him pop in here and there.

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Um, you know, going back
to the World Series of Poker's announcement

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in conjunction with Gigi Poker for the
WSP Paradise event in the Bahamas, they

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invited all the final three players and
the and the champion of course you know

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down there. So I'm guessing we'll
probably see him hop down to the Bahamas

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invited or paid to go there,
because there's a difference. They said Tie

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Stewards on the mic, and he
said, you were all invited. I

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don't really know exactly what that means, but I mean you and may are

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invited as well. Well, yeah, so we're invited to pay our way

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to show up there. Um,
you know, but I don't know what

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they have in store for them.
Um, I would guess you would probably

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want to make way at least for
the champion to be down there for sure.

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I mean something like some paradise packages, you know, where it's a

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main event entry, maybe it's a
one of their opening event entries, and

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then one of the high roller entries
for the Final nine. Even if they

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wanted to spend a little bit of
cash, that'd be a nice little way

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to hey, we're really actually behind
WSP Bahamas, WSP Paradise and we want

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our final nine there, you know, to put on a show. Well,

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I'm gonna say they don't have to
do that. These guys got enough

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money. If you finished in the
final nine, you made nine arcade.

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The only thing that I would possibly
think to offer them is. I'd be

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like, you can have free rake
back, or you can have a free

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room or whatever it is. I
wouldn't would dip into the buying stuff.

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Yeah, free room would be a
good. Free room would be good,

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you know, and and like an
upgraded room Atlantis a suite or something like

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that, you know. I don't
I don't know exactly what's on offer there.

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What's atlant it's like to stay at
the actual hotel? Have you stay?

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Yeah, it depends where you stay. Um, if you stay over

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where like the conference rooms are,
where the tournaments are held. I mean

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it's it's fine. It's it's not
super nice. It's not really crappy either

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way. Um. I mean the
pushback that you get from a lot of

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people is the price tag that's associated
with it. Like you pay the price

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of let's say, like a win, but you don't get the win,

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right. But it's it's fine.
I mean, I don't really know what

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you're I mean, you're going to
a destination where that the prices are going

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to be high, especially in December, you know, kind of peak season

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to go down there, get out
of you know, the Northeast or some

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other colder areas around the us.
So that's fine. But if you do

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stay over at the cove, like
on the other side of the resort,

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and when I mean on the other
side of the resort, it's on the

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other side of the resort, like
you have to like take a golf cart

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to I get to the other side. That's really nice over there, for

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sure. I've only stayed on the
the main side and it's you know,

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it's been fine, but like I'm
every time I've gone, you know,

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and a lot of these poker players
too, every time that they go,

446
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like you're just going for work or
poker, and like, how often are

447
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you really going to be in the
room? Do you really need like a

448
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super nice room. I mean,
as long as it's clean, as long

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as it doesn't smell, as long
as it doesn't have bedbugs and all that

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sort of stuff, which none of
this has ever had in my experiences there.

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You know, it's fine. It's
fine to just sit there and sleep.

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So all right, I'm packing my
bags, right, Okay, what

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are your thoughts on the whole no
deal slash deal or deal it's been going

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on? And do you think we
can finally put this to bed now because

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we just heard it from mister Wineman
himself, there wasn't a deal. If

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there was any year to have a
deal in recent times, this was the

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year the gap of you know,
six million dollars between first and second.

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But it was interesting to like actually
hear from him and how how it all

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went down. You know, we
had the group chat and then we got

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the end of you know, in
the morning, they're like, you know

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what, let's just play. And
then even as he discussed heads out with

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Stephen Jones, how they well,
let's play at the level, let's see

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how it goes. It was very
interesting to hear the deep insight into what

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actually happened because you know, as
you mentioned, where everyone was just guessing,

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you know, about what was going
to happen. If there was going

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to be a deal, What kind
of deal could you could you make here?

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You know, IICM or just a
plane chop it up three ways.

468
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So it's great to hear Daniel kind
of be open about that and you know,

469
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settle it, Settle it once and
for all. Yeah, I agree,

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And I mean I don't think from
where I stand. I mean I

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believe there was no deal both three
handed and heads up play. I've I've

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now heard it from multiple sources,
including the source Daniel Weinman, that there

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was never a deal made, whether
that be three handed, whether that be

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heads up, whatever was. I
know there's people out that I were saying,

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like, no, we heard that
there was a deal. We heard

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this, We heard that. It
seems crazy that there wasn't a deal.

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Like I've heard it from enough people
that I respect and trust, you know,

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and including Daniel Wineman, who we
just heard from. So there wasn't

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a deal, you know. So
yeah, I mean that's crazy. It's

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pretty wild, but that is what
it is. How much proger do we

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00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,680
think Dan Wyman's gonna play going forward? I mean, I guess this can

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be tied into the whole ambassador thing. I mean, I think we're going

483
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to see him pop his head in
there here and there. I just don't

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know, Like again, if we're
going to see him fully in the circuit,

485
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like all of a sudden, you
just win twelve point one million dollars,

486
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you know, you pay your taxes
and whatever, you have a you

487
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,400
know a bunch of money in the
bank. Now, are you're just going

488
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to go out there firing every single
thing? I mean, no, I

489
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don't know. It seems like he's
very much into golf and his job,

490
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and his job entails a lot of
coding, you know, and he really

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seems to love that. So yeah, I think that's where we're gonna see

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him, and then we'll probably see
him for some of the bigger stuff,

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you know, whether that be the
WSP Paradise in December or WPT. I

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00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,000
mean, he he's also a WPT
champions so it's kind of interesting that he

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he specifically is going to have to
choose in December. I mean, Bahamas

496
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,400
is closer to Atlanta, yes,
you know, it's just a very short

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00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,039
flight, not that Vegas is super
far away, but um my guests would

498
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be you know, being the reigning
WSP Manament Champion, he'll opt for Bahamas.

499
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,519
But you know, he's also a
WPT champion. He's also WPT Tournament

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of Champions winner, so you know
he's going to have I guess his heart

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00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:26,119
strings are pulled in each direction.
I'm pretty sure that unless you win WSP

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00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,559
Paradise that you could technically play both. Yeah. I think someone pointed that

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the dates it's going to be,
it's gonna be very tight. But assuming

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00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,160
there's three days for the World Championship
and assuming you don't make the final table

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00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,480
for Paradise and also assuming that closes
out the close out the series, I

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think he can play both both.
You're talking about the main events, both

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main events, Yes, which ones? First? Paradise is scheduled. It

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00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,680
finishes on the thirteenth, So I'm
going to assume it's very similar to like

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a WSP Europe and obviously wspre and
the I guess where the main event kind

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00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:04,519
of finishes right at the end.
So you know, look, if you

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don't final table that you probably have
a good twenty four hours to get to

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Vegas. If you do final taple
that, well you can probably get a

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00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,440
private jet and still make it in
time. Well, if anyone can afford

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00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,119
a private jet, it's probably Daniel
Weinman right now. So you know,

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and I would I mean, maybe
WPT hasn't released their full schedule yet.

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00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,960
I know they put out the dates, but maybe they do something where they

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00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,720
add day two registration or something like
that to allow for those people that would

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00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,680
be to be coming to the Bahamas. So but that's it relatively short podcast

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00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,799
here, but we just wanted to
let you guys hear from Daniel Weinman,

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and then Tim and I are going
to be following up next week with more

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00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,000
of our bigger kind of recap on
and everything that happened in the last week

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00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,720
at the World Series of Poker.
We're going to hit on some final questions.

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00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:53,759
We're going to go through our WSP
predictions, see who was right,

524
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,319
who was wrong, all that good
stuff. So you guys can stay tuned

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00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,960
to the feed for that and until
next time, we'll talk you wid freak

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tonight on chanting Spread