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This is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast
with Corey Winfield. Yeah, it's hard

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right now, It's tough. It
sucks. You want to call a hole

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and die, but this could be
the best thing that's ever happened to you.

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Justin Burke, then we actually take
better care of her than our plants

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are you're talking about Susan. You're
back on that. Yeah, and Mitchell

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old Brian, I watered all of
the plants, all of them. It

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is the eighth of March twenty twenty
four. My name is Cory Winfield.

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This is the two seventeen Recovery podcast. Joining me obviously, Justin Burke,

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what's us? And Mitchell O'Brien.
All right, how's it going? Guys?

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Doing Good's Friday May through the week, fabulous night week ends after tomorrow?

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Okay, so that works because you
have your meeting, so you kind

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of incorporate that into it. That's
cool. What are you doing this week

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in Justin daughter? Oh yeah,
what else? Get my mom her new

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phone? Whoa, So you got
your mom a new phone? What else?

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That's it? Huh? I'm confused, Mitchell, me too. There

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was a lot more to this story
because I read your blog, which anybody

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can do it. Two seventeen recovery
dot com slash blog. What about it?

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Well, you wrote a blog.
They well, internet maybe hooked out

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for like a week. You love
your mom. Oh that's right, okay,

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so you got your mom on the
internet. Yeah, and that doesn't

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concern you. It doesn't scare you, you know, for like you're enabling

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no, okay, because she's just
gonna expect this from you from now on.

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She's probably gonna quit her job.
None. You'd be paying a rent,

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rent, her own rent. You're
opening a door justin. That's letting

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in. Not good stuff. I
remember goal sheet that said differently than what

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he just said. What do you
remember it saying, Mitch, I remember

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saying how he wants to make his
you know, life situation better so we

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can move certain people in with him. Well, I'm working on that.

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It requires a lot of money right
now to a tax agency that I'm dealing

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with, So that way I can't
be able to afford to have an apartment.

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But instead of having an apartment,
you making sure she's got internet because

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that's a bill too. That kind
of comes out of what you could be

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saving a little bit. I think
he got the Internet because he needed it

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for himself. Kind because your mom's
on the backwoods right well, in bald

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Ones. Yeah, that's what I
said, backwoods. So she stays up

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in Baldwin in the woods and there's
no internet there. Well, she says

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she doesn't cancel the Internet. I'm
like, no, she can't cancel the

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internet, bro, What are you
gonna do when you're there? If she

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doesn't have internet Internet people use internet
all over the earth, Bro, It'll

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be boring with the Internet new to
her. She don't want to pay at

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and T SKYI prices for Internet,
so she's going to cancel the internet.

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What is in my brother's name else
got canceled recently. I don't really follow

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the cancel thing. I just kind
of like who I like and don't like.

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I don't like. Yeah, So
when people are like, we're going

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to cancel eminem, I just kind
of chuckle. It's cute. That makes

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him stronger, right, But I
can't remember your name now? Justin Wow,

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Jordans here wants to like, man, I'm horrible with names. But

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Marshton's on the two seventeen Recovery podcast. Yeah, I say called Mitchell Marshall

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forever. Yeah, but no,
so Justin wants to cancel the Internet,

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like, I don't think you can
do that, bro, Or she wants

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to at her house. Yeah,
she's not that powerful. Maybe she is

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that backwoods that she thinks she can
cancel the Internet. Well, not like

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the whole internet, just service at
her house. Oh yeah, so confused,

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clearly. So she's canceling because it's
too expensive. Yeah, just trying

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to take back some of them bottles. There's other things that people can cut

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out of their life. But it's
so funny how we'll start to cut those

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things out first, you know.
And her addiction that I'm not saying anything

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about who's addicted, who's not addicted. I'm just saying myself personally, like

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I would do that same thing.
I don't even need it. I'll have

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Netflix instead of like me going,
maybe I just won't spend money on Booze

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anymore, you know, like that
been that had been the easy choice.

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But no, no, no,
like our addicted brain, that's not even

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an option not have Booze. No
no, no, no, that's option

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one. I'm having that first.
Yeah, I convinced myself that I would

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save a bunch of money not drinking, and then also the fact that of

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how much weight they gained and how
many calories it was and how bad that

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was for me. And I was
like, I really need to stop doing

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this, and a year later I
was still still doing it. So I'm

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gonna start tomorrow. Cutting baffling powerful. Yeah, it just keeps going and

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going. So, like to Justin's
troubling story here, So the Internet is

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coming in a couple of weeks,
but her phone's you got it with you.

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Yeah, that's my car in your
pocket. That's out in my car,

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the car you don't lock. Yeah, okay, well now everybody know

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the thing. It'll be gone by
time people hear this. That's true.

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Not that be stopping by to check
it out. Hey, I gotta run

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out to my car real quick.
Okay, hold on for you. So

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that'll be nice for her to have
that, though, I think, and

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you know, doing stuff for other
people, and you said in your blog,

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it makes you feel good, you
know, it really gives you that

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sense of like not that you have
to buy people things that you can mow

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their yard, you can clean up
their dishes, you can do whatever tons

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of stuff that you can do for
them, but you know, buying them

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things that they couldn't afford or that
they normally wouldn't blurge on themselves for it.

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You know, that does feel good, and I'm proud of you for

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being able to do that. Yeah, my mom gave me a bunch of

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money last last summer when I was
going through like my divorce and was down

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and out as on's like trying to
pay my old cell phone bill because I

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was too stupid just to calm down
and shut it off even I had a

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company phone. Yeah, I think
your boss finally told you. Yeah,

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and I finally did, and but
that was like three fifty a month and

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car and shirts, car payment rut, like I was trapped for cash.

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Like my mom paid my whole way
last summer, you know. So,

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I mean she won't ever take anything
back from me neither at all. So

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you know, like I've offered her
money. Here, have some money,

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you know, and like still,
Mike go down there on weekends, Like

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she don't charge me for food or
anything, like shell two hundred dollars at

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the grocery store, like I want
your money. She buy that good food

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or she buy off brands. No, she buys good food. I mean

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offerand stuff can be good food too, Yeah, good food, nice home

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cooked meals. So what are you
guys having tonight? I don't know what

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do you want tonight? I really
don't care. My throat hurts so bad

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it hurts to swallow. Yeah,
it's that man voice. Finally, I'm

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so proud of you for that.
Thanks so much. I appreciate what do

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you What are you gonna have tomorrow
morning? Mm hmmm? I justly don't

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eat breakfasts anymore about lunch? When
you so, you wake up, you

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take your shower, you get you
all shirt off, naked, and you

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call them Mitch and I then video
head to the head to the fridge.

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What are you grabbing? Blown eat
bread and peanut butter and jelly mac and

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cheese, Like what do you what
are you making over there? Because you're

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talking about you just out there eating
pallor food. I mainly just eat dinner.

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I'm down there, okay, So
you just wake up, take a

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shower, do whatever. Don't enjoy
internets you don't have it yet. And

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then you're just like all right,
you just sit around wait for dinner,

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Like what do you do? Like? You take your daughter fishing? You

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help her school work. Yea,
lately I just yell at her the whole

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time. Yeah, shirt off?
That sounds weird. It was, it

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was, It was weird for well, yeah, before you're at home with

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your shirt off? I know.
And it's because I don't want you to

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call me anymore like that, like
stop video calling me, bro, That's

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what I'm like. Maybe, yeah, maybe if I answer with my shirt

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off, he won't do it anymore. And no, you just you mean

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me? Yeah, and you're like, okay, so this just means we

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could both be naked. I don't
even I got nothing, ye that nothing

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to say. Really, I tried
for shock value and it just gave him

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permission and it was terrible. Yeah. I started looking at my button's like

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what okay, this is nor this
conversation? What can I hit? I

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was born with mine? But but
I can identify it now? What drops

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can I? That's insensive? It's
cool. So we're going to start a

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podcast and we might as well talk
about it now. It's going to be

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called Recovery Dads, and we can
talk about being dads. Yeah, okay,

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Mitch just made a reference to sucking
penis. I know you want to

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talk about that. You want to
talk about that for a minute. Place.

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Oh yeah, but I don't know
why you're showing me that. Oh

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you got a cough? Well no, we can't hear. Yeah, well

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you're muted. I'm going to mute
Justin's too. Okay, look, okay,

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So the second I did that just
year, I realized he's not going

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to see a cough. He's going
to see an opportunity. I don't know

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what else you're saying, like,
acause we were talking about that before we

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did the podcast. Yeah, that's
why we started a podcast. I was

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like, well, this is start. We're talking about this stuff about how

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he doesn't really care for it.
Whoa all out there? He's not saying

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he's closing the door. Both are
no, and he doesn't like to return

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it neither what no way, I'm
not trending on tinor anymore. It just

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baffles me. It explains the patchy
beard. Yeah, I watered all of

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the plants. Yeah, all of
them? About all you did? Right,

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So yeah, that did happen though. We were talking about that,

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and then Recovery Dance podcast was something
I was going to talk about and thanks

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for the gesture, Mitch. That
was fun. Uh yeah, the Recovery

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Dance podcast we're going to start.
I don't know when that will officially kick

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off, but got some little equipment
today so we can do like the show

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from the road. Yeah, they
don't have to be a no studio,

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no stupid nice studio with Corey's crap
and cameras everywhere. But we can take

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it on the road if we want
to, and that'll be fun, I

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think, And first we were talking
about maybe we will. I will see

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how that works out, but I
really want to have a place where it

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looks good. But filming it in
a certain location, you know, we

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can post like a video thing too. But I've always been a radio guy.

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I've been more intrigued by radio.
I see people doing them on YouTube

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and people watch them, and that's
cool and all. But the beauty of

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a podcast is you can listen to
when you're driving down the road. You

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don't have to pay attention. You
can just use ones just listen, right.

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You know, you can be in
the shower, you can be taking

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the dump, you can be in
bed sleeping like you just listen to the

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podcast. So it's a lot easier
to listen as posts to watch it and

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how much time and effort is it
going to take to put that together?

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True that I don't know. I
don't know. I'm still waiting for my

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video from Recovery story man. Well, yeah, I was going to do

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it this weekend, but I don't
work weekend, so just wait until you

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have Parker. You'll understand. Yeah, And I won't work weeks either on

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weekends. I've really enjoyed how the
dynamics have changed around here since like when

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we started, because I really felt
like it was everybody gang up on Mitch

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back then, and it's a lot
more pointed at all of us now.

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You guys will come at me,
but then you go, you know,

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and we can you know, jump
on justin for a while, and you

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know that's it makes it easier for
me, you know, a less stress.

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You're still the pivot man. Yeah, that's that's fine. Yeah,

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I definitely give that back. So
no, I gotta hit it, Mitch.

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Which one got your ass two times? Because you can't drive. Dedicated

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Germany, Duran. We should start
doing that, is dedicating it to Germany

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every time. I don't know,
we should say this whole name, the

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whole jd oh, Jermy Jurman.
I like Jeremy though he should be on

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a couple of months hopefully, Yeah, should be. I'm sure we'll see

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him. That'll be fun because like, did he get boot camp? I

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don't think so. They call it
jail or prison. No, I don't

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know about that. I thought he
went to prison. It was definitely prison.

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Yeah, he went to prison,
Okay. Boot camps is a release

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program. Thanks for tuning in,
Like, well, whatever happened, but

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it was a boot camp's early release. They go there for like ninety days

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to see if a well their attitude
and hole well being and ship. He's

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gonna be out for about then then
depend how well you progressed. I don't.

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I don't have to do that drill. You can get out. Here's

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why, because it's an eighteenth Amendment
all your time. Well, we'll see.

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I don't know, but I remember
just last year having him around it.

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He was like he's a fun person
to you know, and looking forward,

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like towards this summer, it's like, what events are we going to

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do? Apparently Mitch thanks signed up
for a bunch of cool stuff to do

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for the Cherry Festival. Yeah,
the fun ones. Yeah, Like I

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was like the last conversation I had
with the assistant director about that was like,

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we should probably not do that this
year because there's a baby coming in

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the picture. I'm probably not gonna
be around for it. I don't really

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want to commit to that when we
need five people to do that and we

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just lost a member of the staff, not the you know, like,

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I don't know, we're down a
member. I'm out. Martie's out,

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like, yeah, probably shouldn't.
Probably shouldn't like start like volunteering for things,

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committing the things. I can get
five people, we got, We've

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got Kim, we've got a driver. He won't be because he'll be taking

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treatment. It's not on the weekend. It's during the week. Last last

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year, last year was the weekend? Oh was it? Most of the

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stuff was on the weekend. We
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much. What huh? And Corey
drove those times, well we're we're go

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Mitch, Mitch, Smitch, Smitch. We've been having me doing volunteer management

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training all year because I want you
to head up the volunteer people. Yeah,

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I want you to do that.
So I know when Marty was like

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because I was like, oh,
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then so I was like, all
right, cool, Well, if he

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wants to do it, then you
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of what his job was supposed to
be. So did you sign us up

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for the East Jordan Festival and the
Boyne City Festival yet? Well? I

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didn't have any hand in the East
Jordan one, so I need to talk

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to you about that, But the
Boyne City one, yeah, we're perpetually

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signed up for that until we tell
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I have a I think we should
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Yeah, the Emmitt County Fair.
Yeah, I do it. What

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do you mean do it? Like? Show up, show up, fly

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drone around? You need to build
a float for the Pirate Festival. You

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want to build a float for something
else? I got an email and said

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let's do this. I said,
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All right? We should build a
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Did you talk with him about that? All right? Ken? That's your

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nicknamed Ken. Shout out to Jeff
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Jeff, I'm just saying, Jeff
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talking about. But back to the
volunteering stuff. That'll be fun. That'll

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be cool, and we can go
to these events the Recovery Dance podcast.

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Do the two seventeen Recovery podcasts.
I'm not sure which one, but me

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both. I don't know. It'll
be interesting to see how they both coincide,

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because like, if we were doing
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have topics, we would have like
followers days coming up and I don't know,

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whatever Mother's Day is coming up?
You know, what are you getting

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your mom? You know, like
stuff like that. It'll be fun.

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I know that's not a really like
an interesting podcast everybody in the whole world

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probably want to listen to, but
well no, I think it'll be funny

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too because we can do like this
is Mitch from the Recovery Dance podcast seventeen

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Recovery. It'll be goofy yeah.
And once you stuff like prompt me into

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explaining details of the blowout, the
first staper blowout, I have to deal

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with. You're the joy of you
two, like Jesus might come back in

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that moment. Seriously, he might
come back like, well, that's what

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we wanted to see. That's the
happiest any two people in one spot can

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be. Just make sure you take
pictures. Oh no, I just hope

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you don't get a finger painter.
Yeah. Some kids, you'll you'll go

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get them in the morning when they're
supposed to wake up, and they'll have

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a whole Mozarts on the wall in
their room. Like I knew. I've

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known quite a few families that have
gotten finger painters. And my kid wasn't.

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My kid was cool because he had
blowouts. But once he got like

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old enough to walk. I remember
this one time it started to happen and

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he like stuck his hand back there
and he brought it out and there was

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doodoo on his hand and he just
went eh and like reached out to me

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like there's poop on me and didn't
touch anything. Yeah, that's good.

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I was on the phone with my
mom. I was like, ma,

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I gotta go yeah drop. My
phone started wiping up. The Dodo changed

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that one, and we were good. There was no no mess. But

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you get them other kids who were
like, oh, what can we do

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with this? Let's play TikTok toe
on the wall. Yeah, it's like

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a roll of the dice. So
and they say your kids need to be

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ten times worse than what you were
as a kid. That was great.

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Mm hmmmmm it was I have no
problems, straight up, angel baby.

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I don't believe they even have the
dimples. So the dimples got you away

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with everything you did? Right,
nod like, Yeah, Cory was pretty

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much perfect. Out of all of
her children. My mom would have to

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say I was the best. Really
well, it says the same thing she

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said, if your brother would have
came first, I would have never had

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you there. You go, Happy
Mother's Day. So that would be the

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cover dance. I think that would
be the stuff that we would talking about,

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just the fatherhood stuff, you know, and and different questions and different

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things. Is we have different levels
of fatherhood and recovery and and all that

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stuff and how you kind of put
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on too that you know, we
know people in early recovery and it's so

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and I'm gonna say this is funny, but it's not how we've seen people

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in super duper early recovery when they're
trying to put it together and say they

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enter treatment for the first time where
they haven't really been a father for the

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last ten years, five years,
three years, whatever. And then they'll

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get to treatment center and go,
well, if you call my kids on

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every Saturday at six o'clock, then
I'm out of here. Like, wait,

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when's the last time you called your
kid at six o'clock on a Saturday?

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Like never, Like what are you
talking about? Like it's so not

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funny, but it's funny how all
of a sudden they'll be like, well,

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I need to start making these demands. It's like, what you need,

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what you need to do probably is
just what people have been telling you

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is listen, just pull the stuff
out of your ears, listen to do

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what you don't want to do,
but what you need to do. I

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laugh because of how relevant that is
in the phone calls that I take.

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It's true. I've seen it.
I've heard it. I know I've heard

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it. Every week you get at
least one. So I was in the

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middle of an intake, Well can
I call my kid right now? We're

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doing an intake. Well, then
I'm out of all right, buddy,

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see you Yeah, And then they
they've had some Like we do transportation,

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we take people to him from treatment. And in the early stages, people

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call me, and one thing I've
always said is we're not a rehab rescue

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you know, we're not going to
go rescue you from rehab to get you

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back to your drugs. And this
kid called and he's he wasn't that old,

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you know, he's like twenty three, twenty four or something like that,

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and he was just like, yeah, well, I need to get

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back to my family. My stepdad
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So a family really needs me.
They dude, even hooked on mes

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for three years. Your family has
not needed you in quite some time.

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And I'm sure they're going to be
able to manage this. Just fine.

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I had the blessing of a family
who were very open with the fact like

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we don't need you, bro,
like we want you gone. Yeah,

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And that's my point is like nobody
needs this kid there. You know,

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like he was just making an excuse
because he thinks, oh, I got

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a perfect excuse that I can get
out of treatment. And I don't even

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think it's I don't even know if
that was a real story, but he

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just made it up, I think
to get back to his drug of choice.

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Because people will say some really crazy
things sometimes. And I remember going

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through treatment early on and it was
excuse cent, your excuse anything, Oh

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ben bugs, Oh the food sucked
or pillow wasn't comfortable, anything I could

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use. I was using to get
out of treatment, you know, like

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all right, I'm out of here, man. So like I get it.

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I've been there, done that,
you know. But it's funny,

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like how far they'll go with it. I never could be like, oh,

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I need to talk to my kid
right now. You know, it's

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not to be more creative with my
stuff. But it's just so funny though,

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how that does happen Again, it's
not funny, but it is kind

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of like, wait, so your
whole family wants you to save the day

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now because you've been in treatment for
four days and you didn't get your way,

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so you're gonna go home. Okay, Like that can start to happen.

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But for me, it was like
a year and a half into recovery,

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you know, I started to get
that trust back and people started to

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depending on I mean, like I
had to build that they're going to do

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that. One that blows my mind
is funerals and I kind of get how

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that's a special time. But the
person that it's for doesn't care that you're

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not there. They would say that
they probably would like you to get your

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life together. Yeah, they like
me up and heaven watching you for a

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little bit before you joined them,
not going out and you know, going

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to their funeral and then getting put
back in that temptation before you're ready,

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you know. So, but I
know not everybody agrees with that. Yeah,

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my grandfather was. I knew he
was getting close, and it was

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just an act of God that I
was able to be there, you know.

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And I knew there was a good
chance that he might pass when I

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was in treatment that last time.
But I also worked it out with myself

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in my own mind that if he
did, I'm the same treatment because there's

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nothing I can do out there.
Plus I was core ordered, so I

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could But I mean, but I
could have you know, I could have

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faced the consequences after him. But
like, well, my granddaugh you know,

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I got adult, you know,
but I knew that my family wouldn't

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have wanted to see me there,
and there's nothing I could have done,

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you know. And just how it
worked out, I was told that I

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wasn't taking treatment serious and so ALSOLD
I couldn't stay there ninety days, and

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then I was going after sixty.
And I think he died two days after

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I got out of treatment, right
before I was heading back to YEP just

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Sober Living and I got my car
fixed, and i'd seen him and he

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looked like he just got out of
a concentration camp, like they stopped feeding

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him, and he's just so skinny, and just it looked horrible. I

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didn't want to see him again.
And my mom was like, are you

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gonna see Grandpa before you head out
up north? And I said, Nope,

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I'm not. I'm gonna go Camel
Zoo and I'm gonna need your ID

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because I was still on the family
plan planned because that's what forty year olds

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do and get out of mama's family
plan and that's what we do. And

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they had told me a bunk phone
the speaker wouldn't work. I mean,

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there's so many little things with this
story that all has to line up to

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where it's perfect. And this is
where I'm like, God, this is

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all you, bro, Because hey, I get out of treatment early,

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and I had some resembments about that, because first I was pissed off because

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I was taking it serious, but
I was having fun at the same time,

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and so it pissed me off that
they were like, no, you're

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not taking it serious. You're out
of here, and I'm like what.

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And then I called a probation ouncer
and she's like, why are they letting

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you go early? And I said, because I'm doing so good clearly.

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I said, oh, well,
if you're out Tuesday, you need to

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be here Wednesday morning at nine.
I said, okay, sounds good,

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and then I went back in.
They're like, well, if you behave

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I was like, no, let's
go. I'm ready. I'm going to

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start this podcast, I'm gonna start
this company. I'm ready to go anyway.

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So I'm fine, but I still
having resmbmance for that. And then

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I get home and I'm like,
I need a new phone. So we

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go to Calama Zoo. They send
me a bunk phone might be like you

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use one or something, and the
speaker wouldn't work and it sounded all crappy.

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So I called them. They're like, well, you got to bring

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it back, but being on my
mama's plan, I had to take it

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back to Calama Zoo and I had
to get her license and show them.

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Hey, I'm on my mom's playing
here. You go, forty year old

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dude, what's up? And that's
not just here? And you're giving me

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a crap about giving my hook hooking
my mom um with internet and phone.

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Yeah, talk about enabling. Yeah. So anyway back to my story.

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The problem is that's not just Kalamazoo. That's Kalamazoo from Boyt City. Well,

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no, that's from Colomba. Yeah
at this point, Yeah, it's

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about forty five minutes something like that. Oh okay, yeah, so not

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as dramatic now for Mitch, but
still dramatic enough. And so I had

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to drive back there, and my
mom asked me going to see Grandpa.

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I said, no, I'm not, you know, I don't want to

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see him in that condition. And
he said okay. Well, so I

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get back from Kalamazoo. My car
my stepdad had to fix it because I

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had apparently ran into a dumpster,
busted the headlight out and did some other

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things. Yeah, and then like
they sent a part in because my steps

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I said, oh, we can
get this part from the junk yard.

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Well they just cut it right out
of the car. Unfortunately, I had

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wires that needed to be hooked up, so he had to senate bad to

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get a new one. So,
like Jason, the owner of Nathan's house,

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he was like, why are you
stalin? I'm like, I'm not.

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I'm being serious. This is what
happened. He's like, okay,

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man, well you need to be
here. I'm like, okay, well

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it's coming. So so then I
come home, grab my basket of clothes,

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throw it in the back. I'm
like, all right, I'm out

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of here, start taking off.
And then I stopped in South Haven because

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they had the cheapest gas in the
area, And so I stopped in Exodus

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seventeen off one ninety six, pull
up, start filling up the gas tank.

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It's in my pocket. Mom's ID. Oh. First thought, I'll

408
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:41.400
just mail it back to her son't
miss it. And then next thought,

409
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:47.279
aren't you trying to live life different? She gave you your ID so you

410
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.640
could go get your punk ass phone, your forty year old grown ass man

411
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.480
on your mom's family plan, and
you can't take her back her efing license.

412
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:02.839
Yeah. I thought we're gonna try
something different. So I said,

413
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.920
you're right. People at the pump
probably thought I was nuts. Talking to

414
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.720
myself like this, and I was
like, yeah, right, nuts,

415
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.720
that's right. You're gonna look,
you're gonna you're gonna change. You gotta

416
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.559
change, you know, And you'll
have those moments in your life where you'll

417
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.440
want to just half ash it or
do stuff the way you've always done it.

418
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.640
But sometimes you gotta call yourself out
like nope, if you want a

419
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.839
different life, if you want to
change, it starts right now. So

420
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.960
I said, all right, So
I drove it on over because my mom

421
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.480
was in South Haven at the hospital
or not the hospital, at the hospital

422
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.039
place with my grandfather. So I
went over there and it gave her her

423
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.279
license back and say, hey,
here's this. I forgot to leave it

424
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:42.559
on the table. And then I
saw my grandpa one more time and I

425
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.640
showed them my ninety day coin.
It was like, look, Grandpa,

426
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.400
I got the ninety day coin last
night or whatever, and I'm going up

427
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.880
to Boyne City now to do sober
living. I love you. And he

428
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:59.359
was like like, make some really
crazy noises, and so I think that

429
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.960
I love you, and I'm really
scared because he looked like it. And

430
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.200
I got to see that though one
more time and tell them that I loved

431
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.559
one more time than I jumped in
the car and hit the road. An

432
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.599
hour and a half later, my
mom texted and said Grandpa's gone. I

433
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.319
was like, whoa, it's wild
man, Like I would have been kicking

434
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.519
myself to know that I could have
had one more chance just to look at

435
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.000
him as say I love you one
more time. And my grandpa and I

436
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.160
we didn't have the closest relationship.
He was a hard working, that type

437
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:33.400
generation, you know, type of
guy, and I do miss him,

438
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:34.680
you know, I do miss seeing
him, but we weren't that close.

439
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.880
But still it was something that would
really haunt me if I didn't have that

440
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.279
chance, or had that chance and
let it slip on by, you know.

441
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.839
But that was and that's kind of
a crazy story to start my recovery

442
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.160
journey, like out of treatment and
I had a chance to do the wrong

443
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:53.200
thing and I didn't, and all
these things had to set up. I

444
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.920
had the phone had to suck otherwise
I wasn't gonna give my mom's ID,

445
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.880
you know, Like it was just
nuts, man. And when you look

446
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.039
at things like that, even being
told you're not taking it serious in treatment,

447
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.000
that had to happen exactly how it
did. So it's pretty nuts when

448
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.640
you can go back to those little
moments in life and realize, like that's

449
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:18.279
that's kind of a big thing.
Yeah, my story, My grandfather passed

450
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.400
about a year before I got sober, just over a year a year in

451
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:27.000
a couple of months. And he
was more of a dad to me than

452
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:32.000
my dad was. We're like a
loving parent, you know, but he

453
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:38.000
was the hot rider, construction tough
you know, worker and like you said,

454
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:45.640
the hard worker. And he never
got to see me pull myself out

455
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.039
of the addiction. He only got
to see like the worst of it.

456
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:56.480
But he did say before he passed, we got to we knew he was

457
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.440
going to go in a couple of
days, and so we all the whole

458
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.839
family got together when we're talking and
we were just like going over memories and

459
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.960
stuff. It was really neat,
and he got to kind of talk to

460
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.319
each of us and say what he
wanted to say to us, and and

461
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:15.119
he just told he told me.
And I don't know why he would have

462
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.839
said this, because I was such
a failure at that point, but he

463
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.640
said that he was proud of me. He goes, I don't agree with

464
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.400
everything you've done, but I know
that I haven't lived your life and know

465
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.519
how difficult it is to be you. And I was just like it didn't

466
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:36.559
make any sense then, but it
hits me hard now because within a year

467
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:40.279
or just over a year after that, like, I turned my life completely

468
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:44.839
around, and I do have those
moments where I was like, I wish

469
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:49.119
I could choke, So Grandpa,
what it's like now? So because I

470
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.400
know he'd be proud, because if
he told me that he was proud of

471
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.240
me, then what would he say? Now? You know? Right?

472
00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:06.720
So that's what you can expect on
recovery Dads. This podcast took to turnpect

473
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:12.000
to Justin's mom. She listened to
this podcast. I bet she hates it.

474
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:20.519
If she does, she will know. She'll think you're both as she

475
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:24.119
likes me though, yeah, she
don't like match. Damn she likes me.

476
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.319
When you're talking to her and I
make fun of you, she'll be

477
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:36.160
like, that's funny. Ship Wow, yep, good stuff. But we

478
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.599
got the plants water today. Marnie
did them. Okay, I did him

479
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:44.119
on Monday, so a little bit
of premature watering, but it's fine.

480
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.759
Susan's cage yesterday and yesterday. Nice
guy asked me to do it. The

481
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.519
other day when I was really busy. Nice it was like, yeah,

482
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:59.839
I'll get to it, and then
came up with excuses problems by jay Z.

483
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.359
I had to ask him. I
said, I if I told you

484
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.960
that I wanted you to do something, and he said yeah, sure.

485
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.679
But then your boss says, hey, why don't you start working on this.

486
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.760
What are you going to do?
It takes time minutes to cleaner cage,

487
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.880
and the boss would appreciate a clean
cage in the office. I learned

488
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.440
that lesson. He's yelled at us
before for not cleaning our cage. I

489
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.920
got yelled at more times for not
doing what he said right now. So

490
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.840
this pos guy sounds like a dank
man. The thing is is when I

491
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.119
do what he says when he says
to do it, he's not a dick.

492
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.599
Interesting, but buddy has ten five
dollars making a flyer take notes on

493
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.280
that. Oh speaking of flyers,
Yeah, this mention this real quick before

494
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.199
we jump off. Uh, it's
pretty much a lock. I think they

495
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.360
just need money and we got that. So I mean not like we got

496
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.519
that money's but we got enough for
the event. Yeah, I could we

497
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.079
get paid to like throw events and
stuff. It's pretty fun. So we're

498
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:05.079
going to do a I'm assuming it's
the Twilight Asylum. It's called the Asylum

499
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:10.639
Twilight Tour at the Commons in Traverse
City, which is the old the Old

500
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.519
Please would it cut bold the people
were dead when they died and stuff.

501
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.039
I don't know. Sometime soon details
to come, yes, but we're gonna

502
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.760
have that and hopefully before April,
and they'll be like a contest where people

503
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:34.760
can sign up to recovery dot com
limited thoughts. Yeah, we can sign

504
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:42.400
up contest and signing up, I
asked her. Yeah, Kate, Kate,

505
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.800
asked Kate in an email. I
said, you, Kate, sounds

506
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.679
good. How many people can we
have and can we take pictures and videos

507
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.440
and stuff? All the other tours
like take video, but I don't know

508
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.719
if some of them move long faster. They don't want people like just doing

509
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.119
stupid stuff. Yeah, but at
least if we could you know, that

510
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.199
whole like stuff. And I was
talking about earlier about the guy who wants

511
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.679
to leave treatment because you know,
he didn't get talked to who's cold?

512
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:09.719
You know, I want that kind
of treatment. I was like, well,

513
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.639
they can't take pictures, but I
sure the hell can Winfield. So

514
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:22.360
so I mentioned that last night to
take pictures no to our new employee that

515
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:29.559
it's required to do events. Re
hired it to seventeen. And she's not

516
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.800
thrilled about this as No, She's
like, I ain't going to that,

517
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.920
said, I ain't going to that, and she was upset with how justin

518
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:44.880
so I said, okay, you
can be a next employee, then said

519
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.679
it a little bit differently. But
the event itself is gonna be awesome.

520
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.920
It is the Asylum Twilight Tour,
and there's going to be a part of

521
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:53.800
it where we get to go down
into the world. They call them the

522
00:36:53.800 --> 00:37:00.159
steam tunnels tunnel that's where they took
patients back and forth. We're gonna hear

523
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.800
voices and something like that. I've
been in some of these buildings back in

524
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.880
the day. Don't put that there. Steam is not going to clean that

525
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.679
stank off. We're gonna be going
into one of the unrenovated I think it's

526
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:20.360
the men's treatment wards that they're gonna
take us through half of its outside.

527
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.119
So it's gonna be really fun.
And yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna

528
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.440
be a great time. Yeah,
it'll be fun. Yeah. The flyer

529
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:35.039
that was made for it looks fly
damn. Yeah that last year justin shaking

530
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.199
and said no, like he doesn't
approve. He just doesn't like that.

531
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:43.679
I listened to you and not him. So well, it'll be fun.

532
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.760
Details coming soon, So if you're
in the Tramps City area or maybe like

533
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.159
you know what, I'll drive up
for that. Hey, if you're gonna

534
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.679
drive up for it, sign up. Oh yeah, I don't have to

535
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:59.760
win you. My aunt she was
telling me that they were watching extreme I

536
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:05.079
don't don't even know what it's called
expectition or expedition. Anyway, they did

537
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:10.719
some like ghost hunting on macl Island. It's very weak, and then they

538
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.559
brought in the Ghost Brothers. Those
guys are funny. That was pretty interesting.

539
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.960
I watched some one with Jack Osborne
with those guys. That was great.

540
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.280
Like the ghosts were like Jamal run
I was like, wait this time.

541
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:28.239
I never thought a ghosts would say
like clearly, like there must be

542
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.360
a haunting going on, because it's
more normally it's like help me or get

543
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.599
out, you know, a stupid
shiit like that. It's always the same

544
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.840
thing. It's like, if you're
a name pooped himself, wouldn't you like

545
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:45.440
say like better stuff than get out
or help me like like that? Yeah,

546
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.880
like like what if? Like it's
like a deal with the devil,

547
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.880
who's like, all right, you
get two words, you got two words

548
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:59.559
and four seconds go help me?
Okay, Like I mean that would suck.

549
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:05.800
I mean, like this game is
rigged. Being dead sucks anywhere.

550
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:15.039
Being dead. He's using the spirit
box, Come on, brother break Oh

551
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.159
yeah, you know I like them
And they said that, uh, they're

552
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.199
having people in recovery there is going
to be kind of fun because a lot

553
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:28.000
of the history was trying to figure
out treatment for people with addictions and other

554
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.239
mental health struggles back then, and
it was a lot different than this now.

555
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.960
So they're actually going to pull out
some more of the historical parts of

556
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.519
that specifically for us, so it's
going to be informational too, So it'll

557
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.599
be fun. I really hope we
can film the whole that'd be cool if

558
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.280
you can film the whole thing.
Yeah, and then we got to do

559
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:52.800
one shot of the batteries. I
want to want to do fun promotional there.

560
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.440
I think it'd be cool and I
think you'd enjoy it. So,

561
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.800
like the week before or something like
that, or may even before that,

562
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.559
go out there on the site and
start, yeah, earn some VIDs.

563
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.000
I think it'd be fun. Yeah, So what if? What if I

564
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:12.480
clearly put in a fake ghost in
the video and it's so obvious that like

565
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.960
nobody would ever pass it up.
But then we try passing off as a

566
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:23.519
real ghost. We just have Justin
walking by a sheet. That was a

567
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.960
ghost. That's a ghost, bro. We gonna do it with the bear

568
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.760
mask underneath it, like Justin was
not here, that was a ghost.

569
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.960
Anyway. All right, y'all,
Thanks, have a great weekend. Appreciate

570
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.239
you coming in to the studio and
staying late. Appreciate you listening to the

571
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:47.960
two seventy Recovery podcast and Recovery Dance
podcasts coming later. Thanks for listening to

572
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:54.199
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