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Third lap, the podcast with Alejandro
Gaviria and Ricardo Silva Romero, a podcast

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of the locutorio shoots the locutorio dese
or Intuito that what my mother was telling

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me insistently was that famous phrase that
says that all excessive virtue is usually a

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vice and that life, better life
needs balances. Master means the person where

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it begins, a way of being, a way of doing things, a

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way of beauty. Hi, Ricardo, we have to resort again to the

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audio exchange of whatsapp ara to fulfill
our weekly engagement with third round. I

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propose that we speak this time of
what we might call masters of life to

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men and women who have influenced our
gaze of the world, whose example or

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teachings have remained in our memory and
have to do with what we are.

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And I' m going to first
mention a person I' ve already mentioned

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in previous third- round episodes,
the professor or my professor of philosophy and

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aesthetics at the Jorge Robledo Institute in
Medellín, the first half of the eighties,

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IgnacioÁlvarez. Beyond his classes,
to his knowledge taught then, to

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his insistence on the need to clearly
argue what we thought, of my taste

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for the coming reading, of his
classes. Beyond all this, what remained

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of me is his gaze of the
world, the gaze of the world of

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IgnacioÁlvarez, which today could describe
in the following way as a kind of

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subtle criticism. It is never trividante, but a subtle critique of the vulgarity

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of the world had ignacio, a
kind of aesthetic resignation, as if it

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thought the world in this way.
I am not going to change it,

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but I am going to try to
fight it quietly, hoping that some of

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these young people will help me in
the years to come. One of the

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strange things rich, of being an
adult, of aging is that we can

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articulate over the years what we barely
intuited then and what it included then.

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Today I think the way the article
is that this professor was self exiled in

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culture. It was his way of
life. He was not fully happy,

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as no person is, but he
wanted to show us that world of that

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way of living, the world of
culture through culture. And some of that

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was left today. It is not
that I live in that world fully inhabited

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by another world professionally, but its
teachings have allowed, I think I will

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be interpreted over the years as a
balance of culture as a way of inhabiting

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the world and of escaping many times
from certain traps the camps of the domestic

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world and the professional world. That
teaching left me that first teacher of life

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that I want to mention, IgnacioÁlvarez. Alexander Yes, in fact,

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we turn once again to these voice
mails, which also have the grace of

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exchange and letters and have another kind
of joy and other kind of emotion.

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And well, and they keep pushing
forward our conversation, which has always been

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a way I think very clever to
become such friends. I want to start

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our list of tributes of portraits to
teachers who have changed our lives with pompilio

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iriarte chain, professor of literature of
the modern gymnasium, an extraordinary sonetist and

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a master of the workshop of letters
that left me absolutely convinced and until today

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I am of the view of literature
as the game. We' ve talked

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about it before, we' ve
talked about it again, but I'

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ve stayed from your sessions, your
workshop. The idea that one, when

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writing in crypt, for readers to
decipher and interpret and everything is really a

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game. Fiction is a game that
serves to digest reality, to make it

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possible, to shape it. In
a way, reality is a blurry stain

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and fiction, literature, play,
are finding the edges of features, crutches

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and ticks and all that to me
became clear and I have assumed it in

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my life as a writer since pyriarte
taught on his board custody of Octavio Paz

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and the poetry of César Vallejo and
Lope de Vega and Borges to neuda,

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but especially when he taught to build
sonnets. The sonnet turns him to another

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person and he is responsible for much
of what I have been. I want

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now, Ricardo, to talk about
another master of life, of a person

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that you would say still has a
great influence on my way of seeing and

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understanding the world. His name is
Juan Camilo Ochoa. It was at that

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time, in the seventies, in
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' s best friend, Juan Camilo, still lives was professor of mathematics at

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the National University at Medellín headquarters.
He had studied a doctorate in mathematics at

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the University of California at Berkeley.
I often went to the house, to

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our house, especially at the end
of the afternoon, to throw wagons and

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when we all came my dad and
my brothers sat with him just to talk.

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He had a peculiar intelligence, dazzling, almost even intimidating. At times

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he was a great reader. He
was a great teacher. Today I am

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struck by the rich attention that he
never wrote much. He liked to write,

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but he didn' t do it
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many academic articles. Despite being a
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He wrote some press columns but very
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to tell us that someone has to
think of others writing, but he thought

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of his two great teachings. Now
he tried to interpret them in this exercise,

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to try to understand these influences in
retrospect, they were the following.

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The first one told us what she
was talking about and sometimes directly, although

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she didn' t like preaching very
much, she told us to get out

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of here for a while. Go
around the world, leave the linguistic comfort

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of your people and their language.
Read other things, get out of here,

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so be it, for a while. He conveyed that idea to us

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all the time of that kind of
anti- parochialism. It is not trident

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again, but it was always in
his thought. It was something he was

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trying to inculcate with the stories he
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And he also comes a sort of
embracing mind that always caught my attention.

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I knew how to program computers,
I was an expert in differential equations,

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a great expert in English literature,
expert in plastic arts, I belonged to

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the Board of the Museum of Modern
Art of Medellín, and that branding mind

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that wanted to know everything always caught
my attention. And I think that somehow

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it influenced me and continues to influence
me in my tastes and my way of

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seeing and also treating evil that comes
to encompass the world. I was thinking

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about your father' s friend.
I think of my father, who was

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a teacher and we' ve talked
about him before and who, in my

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own way, is the fundamental person, the original person is the person I

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give birth to. I have already
said that teacher means Persian, area where

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a way of being begins, a
way of doing things, a way of

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beauty. And I see in my
dad' s figure or a way to

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do the things he invented. I
do realize when I behave, for example,

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authentically friendly as when I behaved with
humor before strangers or when I managed

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to break the ice in some circumstance
that I am making gestures and using resources,

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even the inflections that I saw him
using I was that I really adored

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and adored my dad It was a
really very special love that one can keep

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mentioning in present And because it coincides
with that he was a teacher and he

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was the master of many weights and
really what one has left of him good

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and he has left. It'
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always the suspicion that teachers are not
a discourse, but a content, but

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a form, They are an example, a way to move from the halls

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outside and out of the halls that
stays one forever. I want to mention

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another master of life, if I
want to call him a person I believe

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has already mentioned in other previous third- round episodes. He is a bookseller,

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Álvaro Castillo, who has the bookshop
San Liberario in BogotaÁlvaro has shown

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me some authors that I would never
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I could say so without believing it, without even knowing it and fed

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for many years, almost two decades, my taste for books and somehowÁlvaro

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has also usefully taught me this idea
that I already mentioned of culture as a

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refuge with my brother Pascual sucking cock. We toldÁlvaro a while ago about

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the obsco bookseller, because of his
strong personality and a peculiar form of sincerity

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thatÁlvaro practices in hard times,
in times of illness that I have had,

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in times of professional anxiety and even
in times of sadness, going to

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the bookstore and talking toÁlvaro has
been a form of therapy. But I

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say that he has been a master
of life, becauseÁlvaro, in some

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way or in a direct and indirect
way, has greatly influenced the books that

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I have read over the last fifteen
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great influence and he has already fed
it, but I want to reiterate it.

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That love for books that has defined
a facet of my life also over

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the last few years. Well,
I, the truth has been very close,

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Álvaro Castillo, to the point of
having nicknames that are I expect private,

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and we have had a bond that
curiously started for my dad. My

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dad was the first one to come
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then we got together as a friendship
very similar to this conversation, like back

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and forth messages to find books,
to send books, to keep an eye

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on each other' s lives.
And then it occurs to me to think

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of a teacher who I still have
relatively close and is also from the school

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in him, byÁlvaro, because
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Álvaro is a person totally concentrated in
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he is there entirely, totally present. And that' s the attitude

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of a professor of mathematics of mine, of geometry, especially, whose name

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is Edgar Obonaga, who once wrote
a column about when he was dealing with

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El covid in the two thousand twenty. And he' s a teacher to

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more than many generations, from many
colleges and universities that I think everyone agrees

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as in the case of pompili iriarte, everyone agrees in his figure, in

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the way he turns his class into
a thriller movie. And you' re

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thinking all the time and you'
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the front, and I' m
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geometry or trigonometry or whatever. It
is a class in which one can think

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of something else, one the next
a certain tension of being there and then

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very soon appreciate it. I want
to talk now about my mom, my

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mom as a teacher, I,
Ricardo had a problematic relationship with my mom

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during the years to which I have
referred several times in this episode, during

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the years of my adolescence. Not
because I was an especially troubled teenager with

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a tendency to mess with me that
I wasn' t, but because of

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certain forms of isolation and self-
absorbing that I practiced almost defiantly for a

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few years and that generated a permanent
conflict for at least a few years with

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my mom. She always sensed certain
excesses in my personality in my form,

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especially then of inhabiting the world,
certain excesses of responsibility, I could say

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so, and a certain propensity also
to isolate myself too much for a few

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moments, even to get away from
the family. My mom, almost always

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subtle sometimes with some sarcasm pointed to
those deviations and I always see it now.

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In this way I try to preach
balance, to teach me that balance.

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I disobeyed his teachings for many years, but today, in retrospect and

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this podcast has been that as a
retrospective exercise of teachings left to us by

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people in life. Or I sense
that what my mother was insistently saying to

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me was that famous phrase that says
that all excessive virtue is usually a vice

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and that the better lived life needs
balance. During a difficult time in my

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life, during my illness, I
fully understood the importance of those advices of

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my mother and those teachings that have
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Today I can say that it seems
a little more attention, though not full,

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and perhaps it is a message for
her perhaps I should pay more attention,

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because her advice or recommendations always end
up being valid, even many of

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them clairvoyants, because I am very
touched by the portrait of your mother and

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I very much like the idea of
a mother teacher, of a mother who

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manages to transmit a way of living
also with the example, and with some

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phrases and some behaviors, with a
lot of wisdom. In any case,

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and then I fall a little bit
into a behavior that I have had and

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that has put me to sign the
books not Ricardo Silva, but Ricardo Silva

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Romero. Everything I write I sign
with both surnames, because I' m

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always thinking about the balance between those
two teachers, my dad and my mom.

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I have always wanted them to be
in the same sentence, which is

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the name I have and is also
called to balance, that name I use

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in the texts, because while I
have more inclination to be like my dad

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in the sense of moving around the
world with a certain humor and with a

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certain ability to put myself in the
place of others really my spirit what I

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have inside has a lot to do
with my mom, that is, she

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was the one who adored the movies. She was really the one fighting the

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books. My dad was also a
very good reader, but she was always

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arguing with some book. She,
then, not only worked in several governments,

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but has suffered the political world since
her father was a senator and her

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brother was a union leader. He' s always had a lot of courage,

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a lot of courage, a lot
of desire. To say that what

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has to be said and certainly,
for there is a very clear combination that

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is given within me and that even
physically is evident. I mean, I

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' m one of those people who
can' t deny the dads he has,

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because I have the same height of
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distributed. I want to end Ricardo
with an anecdote, not two masters of

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my life, because they never were. I did not know them, I

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never knew them personally, but that
independently, they left me a teaching of

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commitment to a profession, this case, of commitment to the academy, with

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the fact of being teachers of generosity, of great generosity. The anecdote is

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as follows. I was studying my
doctorate in the third year, year one

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thousand nine hundred and ninety- seven, and I wrote two articles. One

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ended up being part of my thesis, the other didn' t. The

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first was about intergenerational mobility in the
United States, about how socio- economic

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fortunes or the socio- economic performance
of parents and children. It looks like

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an article with data and the second
was the somewhat more theoretical article on technological

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change, but it used some record
data in sports to evaluate or test some

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of these ideas. I sent these
two articles to two different teachers in the

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mail. There was no e-
mail at that time. It consisted of

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the ease of e- mailing files
in Manila bags, one to Professor Gry

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Becker at the University of Chicago and
one to Professor Robert at emmat alone.

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Weeks later, one and the other
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The two had clearly read the article
thoroughly and had both substantive and formal

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recommendations. It always seemed to me
this rich fact, that generosity, that

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commitment to being a teacher, an
extraordinary fact two already veteran Nobel laureates with

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all the honors, receive in their
mail some articles from a student. Anyone

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uncovers that Manila Stock Exchange read two
articles and they take the job of writing

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a letter to the other side of
the United States, a letter that I

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responded by thanking, but that more
than that left me a generous teaching in

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the world of academia that I tried
to practice with my students. Maybe not

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the same way. This was a
teaching I always remember. I end by

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saying that the two letters, in
one of the many fretts of my life,

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were lost, unfortunately, in one
that I have been able to find

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again. Embrazo Ricardo, it seems
to me a beauty of anecdote. I

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do not know if because my family
has had that vocation to the academic and

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I am deeply moved by the image
of a student who awaits the response of

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his teachers and there is his whole
world and his research spirit, his spirit,

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his search for knowledge is engaged.
In short, it seems to me

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from an earlier era, the era
of Manila envelopes, but from an earlier

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era that should be revived and constantly
cared for. I think I' m

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gonna have a lot of teachers left. My parents got on the list and

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then I thought I' d close
thinking about extraordinary teachers I had later in

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the Unit. I think of the
first semester that Mario Mendoza dictated and how

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fascinating his monologue was about literature and
what literature was. It was really transformative

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or listening to it in that first
semester of literature. Then I remember a

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Jesuit professor, well known at the
Javeriana University and at the Faculty of Literature,

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without a doubt, who was called
Enrique Gaitán, and had a speech

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as a fictional about literary language.
It was his class, usually, and

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it was really a class one could
understand in a two- page document.

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But the grace was to see how
the class by class told anecdotes, explained

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where literature came from and did it
with a really very, very particular humor.

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You can also think of masters on
the side of the artists who have

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fascinated you the most, from Van
Gogh' s paintings to Richard Ford'

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s very great novels. There are
a number of writers you' re imitating.

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While writing or from which one is
stealing or from which one is taking

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tricks and solutions to texts. And
in my case, because that extends above

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all to popular musicians, who usually
come to mind a lot while I write.

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And there is another band of teachers
that makes me sad to leave aside

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in this list of five who are
friends, friends as in my case,

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like Daniel, or friends like Carlos
Manuel, friends like Santiago, in short,

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people that I know, that have
changed my way of being and that

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have put me where I am.
They encouraged me to find things I hadn

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' t found. Only those sound
a lot to me as teachers, as

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examples I have followed, and perhaps
the first of them is just my brother.

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So I think the bottom line,
Alejandro, is that we come across

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a lot of teachers, we start
with family and end up with friends.

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And it is worth saying that the
third round is the meeting of friends and

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new examples, new teachers who have
helped us. Me. This meeting with

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you and with you to live better
has helped me a lot. It'

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s not clear that we can all
write. It is clear that we can

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all, with luck and vocation,
devote ourselves to the craft of writing.

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But lately I think we can'
t just write, we should write.

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