WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:19.760 Hi, welcome back to give us mark me. I'm Megan, and you 2 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:27.440 were here for probably another three part or three. I believed this was two 3 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:34.560 NIE's happened. Um, it's a lot bigger of a case than I remember. 4 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:38.640 And I was like, where I was looking at? Where to part 5 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:45.000 it? You know that's why she's where Is that what he said? Where 6 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:51.960 to art? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, um, you know, like 7 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:57.719 where to end? And I was like, oh boy, oh boy, 8 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:03.959 oh boy. M sees she did it again, guys, oopsnief did it 9 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:11.519 again. She made it three parts that last in the case. Oh baby, 10 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.120 baby, look listen, it's not my fault. If these people would 11 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.400 does not be such assholes, Oh wouldn't have so much to write about. 12 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:23.480 Very true. I have a question for you, what is your biggest pet 13 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:27.959 peeve that is like not a normal pet peeve to have like people that you 14 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:33.959 know, she with their mouth opens like a normal pet peeve. But what's 15 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.120 one that I have? Okay, I have to think about this. I 16 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:41.560 have to more so think about like what does Cottle do that pisses me off? 17 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:45.319 But isn't something that should piss me off? And this is going to 18 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:57.840 be Um, I hate when he does something that I was like, in 19 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:02.840 my head had scheduled like house wise, house work, like work wise. 20 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:07.479 Okay, that's my favorite thing. He changed the bed sheets. They're like 21 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.520 two weeks ago. I want to say, but I have a schedule for 22 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:19.159 bed sheet changing, Okay, Like I have a date, like I changed 23 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.360 the beds and I'm like, right, okay, next time I have to 24 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.039 change these bed sheets is on this date. M he comes in and it 25 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:28.680 just fucks up the sheet schedule, and it's like, thank you. I 26 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.520 do super appreciate it. I don't need to send like my bithink cleans and 27 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:38.919 it's so I know it was you know, I like schedule my cleaning like 28 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:45.159 I the like first week of every month. I like deep clean, like 29 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:50.800 my bathroom, my like my shower, I change all the sheets, and 30 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.039 I like, you know, I wish I had that motivation. I'm just 31 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:58.560 like, I wake up one day and I have the energy and that's when 32 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.639 it happens. But it happens. It happens. And it was a peppe 33 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:07.199 for me. What is yours? So I asked that question off the cuff. 34 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.240 So I didn't really have anything prepared, but the first one that I 35 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:14.879 can think of is like you know when you're talking to somebody and you're like, 36 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.680 oh yeah, and then I got this burger and it had a burger 37 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.080 and ketchup and pickles on it, and that person interrupts you to be like 38 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:23.879 oh no, no, no, no, no, no, couldn't be. 39 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.719 I hate pickles. I hate them so much. They're just gusting. 40 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.639 They're vial, and you're like, look, but this is my story and 41 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.120 I like pickles and it's my burger, so don't interrupt me to tell me 42 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.759 that you don't like pickles. I do that, but maybe not as aggressively, 43 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:40.919 but I do know. It happened to me recently where I was talking 44 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.759 about food. I was saying a recipe and I was like, this thing 45 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.479 is in it and they were like no, no, no, why you 46 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:53.560 hell you eat you possibly either you Like they were like disgusted, and it 47 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.240 was it was something like girkins or something like that. I always get that 48 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.800 reaction with gerkins and mushrooms. Yeah, yeah, no, Like I don't 49 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.919 like pickles and I don't like mushrooms, but I wouldn't be like like you're 50 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:09.719 feel fully fully, I'm like, bitch, I wanna better eat this, 51 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:17.319 like excuse you. Another one of mine is m is people using the word 52 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:21.360 therefore. And I might have mentioned it on the podcast before, but when 53 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:27.399 people are like saying a sentence and to just sound more intelligent, they use 54 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.879 the word there They just use the word therefore, like it's not necessarily needed 55 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:36.439 for the word yeah, some sentence exactly like I hit power off on the 56 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:44.000 laptop. Therefore the power turned off on the lapt I mean you didn't need 57 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.040 to expand on that. I understood that you turned the fucking laptop off, 58 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:55.639 you know. Yeah? Yeah, what else like really grinds my gears, 59 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:00.560 to be honest with you, It's just like people just being stupid, like 60 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:09.480 doing like stupid shit, Like a isn't like when like you see somebody doing 61 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:18.040 something that is so obviously stupid, Like it's so obvious that like you should 62 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:21.240 not be doing that, and you're watching them when you're going, how do 63 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:27.480 you do? That's it? That's like a normal thing to get that enraged 64 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.519 about. Yeah, I'm an angry person. So I have a third because 65 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.839 this is what I call me thinking about it. I opened up my fridge 66 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:38.240 and I saw a plate with leftovers on it, you know, the way 67 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.759 as you do you might put some leftovers in the fridge, but there was 68 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.160 a knife and a fork on that plate. Oh no, oh no, 69 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:47.519 no no, that stresses me out. It gets my core as all levels 70 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:53.839 high. I can't deal with it. No, why is there utensils in 71 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.680 my refrigerator? Yeah no, that's a note from me. Absolutely, that's 72 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.319 a note from me. I'm like drawing a blank at like what annoys me? 73 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.720 And I wouldn't mind, Like I do get annoyed quite a lot. 74 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:12.519 Do you know what I hate is when you're like out in public, it's 75 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.959 like me and you, right, which is this is one thousand percent come 76 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:21.120 to me, me and you next week. And you're like giddy, m 77 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:25.680 because like, yeah, I haven't seen your friend in a while, or 78 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.360 you haven't been out in a while, and you're like you're feeling good and 79 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:33.959 you're having a good time, so you're like giddy. And then there's like 80 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:41.000 someone and they're just like staring at you, like giving you the eye, 81 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.879 giving you that I giving you the judgment. Yeah, and it's like have 82 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.040 you not had fun? I'm sorry that you're pussy is so fucking dry that 83 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.079 you can't have a bit of fun. Yeah, And like you're not doing 84 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:56.839 anything, You're not harming anyone, You're not being like obnoxiously loud. You're 85 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.279 just like laughing, having a good time. And then somebody is just like 86 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.920 being a cup. You're like, couldn't be you? What? Clearly it 87 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:13.519 wouldn't be you because you have no friends. Little loser? Gotcha, you 88 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:20.040 little loser? What's you guys? As pet peeves? I actually would really 89 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:24.800 love to know that, because everyone has so many pet peeves. Obviously, 90 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:30.279 the big one is chewing with your mind open. Chewing with cattles is people 91 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:36.040 who drink tea or coffee. We always slurp the first sip, and that 92 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:43.959 really gets them, you know when it's like, you know, when you 93 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.600 make a cup of tea, Yeah, and it's still scald and hot. 94 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.160 You've added your milk and all that, but it's still like the steam. 95 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:56.079 So you give a little a little blow and then you go to like take 96 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.639 and then you're like to like taste test it to see how hot is it. 97 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:05.639 You're like testing how hot it is? So yeah, he hates that. 98 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.680 I'm going to keep that in mind. Why did you always slurp your 99 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.160 tea? I'm like, cause it's tea. See I leave my tea for 100 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.639 like ten minutes before I haven't touch it, so it's always like stone gold 101 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.680 by the time I get to it. I won't lie. I do leave 102 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.439 mine for a good at least five minutes anyway, and then I like chug 103 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.480 it. I'm taking gulps. I'm like as if I've never had a cup 104 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.440 of tea in my life. But you know when it's like you're not sure. 105 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.519 You know when you're not sure, like how hot it is, Yeah, 106 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.759 and you don't want to take too big of a sip in case it's 107 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.360 still hot. Yeah, he really hates that. Or like when people get 108 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.720 milkshakes and they're at the end of the milkshake. So everything to do, 109 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.720 everything to do with Cauls is like liquid you can't deal with like liquidy kind 110 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:58.080 of shit, like like like yeah, moth noises, meth noises. He 111 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.720 call, Do you want to come edit in the podcast All in Here twenty 112 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:09.919 seven? Okay, So I think we were going to get started because we 113 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.840 have a long we're all ahead of us. And so, first of all, 114 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.600 if you haven't listened to last week's episode on Matthew Hoffman, if you're 115 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:22.159 interested in a triple homicide and a fucking guy that really wants to fuck trees. 116 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.480 Go listen to that. I'm not gonna lie. The Instagram post deceased 117 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.159 me with his fucking right, isn't it insane? Like, no matter what 118 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.759 I said, I don't think I could put it in to anybody's like brain. 119 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:41.000 How many like you hear there's like bags of leaves and you're just like, 120 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.720 what the fuck? And then you see the photo of the bags of 121 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.000 leaves and you're like, no, because that's not healthy, Like it wasn't 122 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.919 healthy to begin with, but that's really not healthy. No, man's obsessed 123 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:58.440 with leaves and trees. Yeah, like seriously, And the guys in the 124 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.799 discord apparently really liked the episode. So also, if you want to be 125 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.399 in the discord and you can find that link anywhere on Instagram, you know 126 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.960 what, maybe we'll just put it in our bio right now. Yeah, 127 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.080 I probably should do. That would probably be the best idea. Okay, 128 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:20.399 Well, then Nieve has a seriously interesting case for us that I'm actually very 129 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.399 intrigued to hear about. Because this this this guy isn't one of those guys 130 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:26.240 you like hear about a lot. He's not like Ted Bundy. He's not 131 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.600 like Jeffrey Dahmer. No, No, he's a little lesser known. And 132 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.600 I don't know. Maybe it's because he's English, like you know, it's 133 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.039 not a Maybe he's well known in England, I don't know, but he's 134 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.000 not really everywhere else. And in case you didn't know, it's the Yorkshire 135 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.639 Ripper. He doesn't sound like that. I don't know I to that, 136 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:56.840 but it worked, it worked, yeah. So. Peter William Sutcliffe was 137 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.879 born June second, nineteen forty six in Bingley West Riding of Yorkshire, hence 138 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.799 the Yorkshire Ripper. His father was John Sutcliffe. He was a baker and 139 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.440 his mother was Kathleen, and she was a stay at home man, which 140 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.399 is also a top by the way, it is a hard one. Peter 141 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:20.679 had five siblings. He had two brothers and three sisters. They seemed to 142 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:26.840 be a normal working class family, like nothing really majorly out of the ordinary. 143 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:30.759 Peter didn't relate to his brothers or his father's really a lot. When 144 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.559 he was young, he was smart, he was a clever child. He 145 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:41.360 just never applied himself at school life, to be perfectly honest, but it 146 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:46.039 wasn't because he wasn't clever. It's just because he was nursed. Yeah, 147 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.399 I feel that Peter never showed any interest in girls or dating as a teenager, 148 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.759 but he was very good at mechanics. Peter dropped out of school at 149 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:00.919 the age of fifteen in nineteen sixty one and got a job as an apprentice 150 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.440 at a local engineering company. After less than a year, Peter left the 151 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.960 apprenticeship. Peter then decided to join the gym, and he was starting to 152 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:15.000 become a little bit more confident and a bit more take care of himself. 153 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.639 A self care king, but too much of a self care king if he 154 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.039 asked me. He started to make friends, and it is reported that at 155 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:28.960 some stage in the nineteen sixties Peter decided he wanted to try and form a 156 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:35.200 pop group. Stop it, stop it right now? What were they going 157 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.840 to call each other? I've no idea him, I have no idea. 158 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:45.360 It's just apparently. It's reported that he apparently wanted to start some type of 159 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:50.039 pop group with like some of his friends. I am a fully imagining Peter 160 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.960 Sutcliffe in like justin Timberlake, like anything. I'm I'm thinking like s Club, 161 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:03.039 seven club, no party, like a nice club party. I'm really 162 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.480 showing my age. Are they the same people who done screen? If you 163 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:13.360 want to go best? No, that could have been s Club Junior. 164 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:22.840 Oh it was Jerry halliwell, she was the Spice Girls, but just her 165 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.320 when she went out with, not the rest of the Spice Girls, just 166 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:31.840 her. I remember going to that diner that used to be in the town 167 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:39.000 Friday Nights or something hard Day's Nights. Yeah, I went to her Day's 168 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.519 Night when we first moved to the town. I forced my mother to put 169 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.159 that song on the radio on the jukebox. That was the ultimate diner. 170 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.279 Miss it every single day. Yeah, it was devastating when it closed. 171 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.720 Their curly fries and their strawberry milkshakes were heavenly. I don't remember the food, 172 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:01.480 I just remember the vibes. They were immaculate. The vibes were immaculate. 173 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:07.399 Absolutely. Anyway, back to Peter trying to start a bad Peter could 174 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:11.440 not keep a job. He never applied himself to anything and he would often 175 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:18.320 get fired. Because of this, Peter began to become very self obsessed and 176 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.519 was more focused on his looks than keeping a job. Like that was more 177 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.559 important to him than earning money. He sounds like Luke and mcnata. Yeah. 178 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.039 In nineteen sixty five, Peter got a job as a grave digger. 179 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.559 He was very good at this and he never really got in trouble, apart 180 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:41.440 from he was always late relatable. One of his co workers said that at 181 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.080 first he seemed normal, but as everyone got to know him, they learned 182 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.600 he had a weird obsession with death. This concerned most of his co workers. 183 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.919 It was reported that sometimes before burying a casket, Peter would open it 184 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:03.840 up to see the dead body inside. Apparently he would often even steal jewelry 185 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:09.200 off the dead bodies, and apparently he would touch the dead bodies and then 186 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:15.080 he would eat lunch without washing his hands. Oh that everything here is terrible, 187 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:18.799 but I'm sorry. All I can think of is him as a grave 188 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:24.240 digger. But like he's imagining himself as a pop icon. He's like and 189 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.120 he's like Peter and the grave Diggers, and he's like dancing with his fucking 190 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:39.720 shovel in the middle of the night, like under the moonlight, dancing Peter. 191 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:45.360 Apparently, the body of a female police officer came in and Peter grabbed 192 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.039 her face and said quote you won't be putting anyone else away, now, 193 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.639 will you, you bitch? And what was the need for that, now, 194 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.200 Peter, Peter, that was so unnecessary. I remember when I like 195 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:06.480 find that in the research, Like I was just like, why why he's 196 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:12.039 never at this point, he has never been intro with the law. He's 197 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:25.679 a bad boy, bad boy boy. What mhmm. And Peter was then 198 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.399 fired for always being late in nineteen sixty seven. That's what he was fired 199 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:34.559 for. That's what he was fired for. That's what tip the bo okay. 200 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:42.919 They were like, you've been late one too many times. He got 201 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:48.759 a new job soon, as an assistant to a mortuary. Like stop getting 202 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.559 jobs with dead people, just you know, yeah, let's not let's just 203 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:57.200 your dad is a baker. How do you get here? Did you get 204 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:03.759 here? Peter was still living at home during this time and still didn't have 205 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.519 many friends. He would spend a lot of time in his room, and 206 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:14.599 he began to get weirdly concerned with his sister's moral well being. Oh no, 207 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.839 nothing good ever comes of a guy who cares about a woman's moral wellbeing. 208 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:25.799 Do you flash the nikele you wore? Honestly, Peter would get annoyed. 209 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.039 If any man would come and like pick her up for a date or 210 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:33.200 anything like that, he'd be like, she's such a slot. She's gone. 211 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.839 Hell, it's like she's just gone on a date, Peter, She's 212 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:38.920 just gone on a date. I feel like Peter wants to suck his own 213 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:44.400 sister. Yeah, he probably did, you know, and to be honest, 214 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:48.440 wouldn't put it past him. Peter's only close friend was a man named 215 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.640 Trevor birds All, and they would go out to the local pubs together and 216 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:59.240 stuff. The pair would go to watch sex workers in different areas all along 217 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.759 Orkshire, which is weird thing to do with your friend. It's a weird 218 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.480 thing to do, but it's an even weirder thing to do with a friend. 219 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:11.000 I mean, I've heard so many stories of men watching porn together and 220 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.039 it's like, why this is weird to me? No offense, Megan, 221 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.799 I wouldn't want to watch porn with you. I don't want to watch porn 222 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:23.839 with you either, thanks, but I'm good. Trevor believed that Peter had 223 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:32.000 assaulted, quote or worse, two sex workers around Leeds and Bradford. Trevor 224 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.720 soon enough gets married and he's no longer able to just hang out with Peter 225 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.799 whenever. So they still do hang out occasionally, but then just not as 226 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.960 much as they would have. Sorry, I feel like we kind of brushed 227 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:52.160 past the whole Peter sexually assaulting or maybe worse than sex workers, and Trevor 228 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:57.119 just doing nothing. We'll get into this, don't you worry. Okay, 229 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:06.480 don't wear a little head and Peter then met sixteen year old Sonya Serzma in 230 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:11.319 nineteen sixty seven at a pub. He is twenty one and she is a 231 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:19.119 sixteen Peter file. Sonya was a very smart girl, and she wanted to 232 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.960 go off to be a teacher. That's what she like. She felt like 233 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.839 was her like mission in life. Like she just like she was like, 234 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.640 I would be an amazing fucking teacher. Yeah, Sonja, get it, 235 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:36.160 educate those kids. The pair soon began dating after this. In nineteen sixty 236 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:41.240 nine, Peter found out that his mother was having an affair with the neighbor 237 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:47.920 scat So when Peter's father found that his wife was having an affair, he 238 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.240 decided he was going to publicly humiliate her, so he found out where she 239 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:59.759 was meeting the neighbor on their like scheduled affair knights. He then brought all 240 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:06.039 of the children with him to bump into her on her way to wherever, 241 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:11.000 like whatever motel she was meeting him at. Then when he saw her, 242 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:15.839 he grabbed her purse and pulled out the new nightey that she had bought, 243 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.799 and he started showing it off to all of their children, being like, 244 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:25.759 look I armat yeah, which I'm like, I'm one breath. I'm like, 245 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:29.519 you know what, I get it because you can't do the time, 246 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.160 don't do the crime. But at the in front of your kids, I 247 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:38.400 get wanting to hurt her and wanting to humiliate her. But they're her children. 248 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:42.960 And I don't know, if you ever think about maybe had this might 249 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:52.680 fuck up your kids? Maybe maybe just a suggestion. This made Peter lower 250 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.839 his opinion of women in general, and also he never thought of his mother 251 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:00.920 the same. Again, he never viewed her the same way he would view 252 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:07.960 a sex worker, and Peter had a very very low opinion of sex workers. 253 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.880 But Peter is a literal pedophile, and he's like, you know what, 254 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:15.160 the people who are making a living out there using what God gave them. 255 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.200 Yeah. The same year, Peter's brother told him that he had saw 256 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.079 Sonia cheating on him with a boy that worked at a local ice cream parlor. 257 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:32.000 Peter went to confront Sonia about the rumor, but she would not confirm 258 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:37.400 or deny if she was seeing someone else or not, and this drove him 259 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.279 wild. Is it definitely confirmed that they were dating or is just just something 260 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.599 that Peter is like, Oh, Sonia is like my girlfriend. She's like 261 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.759 sixteen, she can't drive or drink, yet it's like totally cool. And 262 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.519 Sonia's actually like, so this guy's actually a creep and he's following me around, 263 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.319 and I have a real relationship with a boy that's my age. So 264 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:03.200 at this stage, she's eighteen, and I believe they were seeing each other. 265 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.000 I believe that her and Peter were dating, but they were never like 266 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:15.079 exclusively dating. Okay, like they had been on dates, so it's apparently 267 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:19.319 then she had also been on a few dates with some other boy. And 268 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:23.640 then the brother saw and then I was like, because obviously I'm sure he 269 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:26.920 was telling his family like, oh, yes, I have a girlfriend and 270 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.480 she's totally age appropriate. Dad, you don't even get it. The dad 271 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:36.160 was probably like, yeah, get it to them, that's gross. So 272 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.920 this This really like got Peter going, like he was like, I'm gonna 273 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:48.720 show you SNYA. And he decided that to get revenge on her, he 274 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.759 was going to go pick up a sex worker. Oh, that'll do the 275 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.839 trick. Yeah, I'm sure she'll be so jeckalous with her new boyfriend. 276 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.480 So he did. He goes and he picks up a sex worker and he's 277 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:07.359 on his way to her place to do the deed when he decides that it's 278 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.920 probably my actually not the best idea. He's like, hmm, I actually 279 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.200 don't want to go through with this, and the sex worker is like, 280 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:15.960 you can have your money back, and then he's like, perfect, thank 281 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:21.079 you. And they get to her place and she's like, luck, listen, 282 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.720 I just I want to keep the like bigger bills that you paid me. 283 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.599 So I'm gonna go inside. I'm gonna get you change. Is that 284 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.279 okay? And he's like, yeah, sure, just as long as you 285 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:34.240 like give me my money back. I don't want you give a fuck what 286 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:41.359 in what manner? So she goes inside and then she sends out two large 287 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.680 men to beat the crap out of Peter. Why he didn't see this coming? 288 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.799 I don't know, so they attack him and then they sent him on 289 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:57.920 his merry little way without his money. What's on no head? That's what 290 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:03.559 it's like. A few weeks later, Peter sees the same sex worker at 291 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.640 a pub he's at with Trevor. He goes up to her and he's like, 292 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.839 I remember you. I haven't forgotten what you did. You owe me 293 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:18.480 my money and that's smart. The woman laughs in his face, Okay, 294 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.880 yeah, I would do, and then tells everyone in the pub about how 295 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:30.680 she absolutely made a holy show of him. And this was the last drop 296 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.599 for Peter, and this is when he begins his attack on what he believes 297 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:38.000 are sex workers. Can I just say, for somebody that had a very 298 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:42.359 low opinion of sex workers and regarded them as like scum of the earth, 299 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:48.759 why did he try to make use of the service? Then you can't say 300 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:53.880 that they're these disgusting assholes and then be like, but if you're busy, 301 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:02.720 hey, hey girl, like what you can't do that? No, No, 302 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.000 So before we get into his attacks, we'll just take a quick little 303 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:12.599 at birth Welcome back to the fun. In September nineteen sixty nine, Peter 304 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:17.759 was out drinking with Trevor birds all in Bradford. While the pair were driving 305 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.559 from one pub to another, Peter saw a girl he assumed was a sex 306 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:26.640 worker. Peter made Trevor pull over so he could follow the girl. Trevor 307 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:32.000 was waiting in the car, and after about ten minutes, Peter came running 308 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.839 up to the car, all flustered and anxious. He jumped in and he 309 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:38.720 yelled a Trevor to speed off. Trevor asked what happened and he said he 310 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:44.200 hit the girl over the head. Trevor questioned, like, Trevor was like 311 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.200 was that on purpose or like what? Like? What just happened? Sorry? 312 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:53.440 But did you kill her accidentally? It's my question. Peter responded that 313 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.960 he put a rock in a sock and he swung it at the girl, 314 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.799 hitting her in the head. And then Peter took her rock out of his 315 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.279 pocket and threw it at the car window. What the man is running around 316 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:11.000 with only one stock on manages to find a rock from somewhere, just uses 317 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.960 that as a weapon because casual, and then brings the murder weapon back with 318 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.119 him and just throws it out of a car window. After telling his friend 319 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.920 he just killed a sex fare So Trevor asked if the girl was okay, 320 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:27.440 and Peter replied, quote, of course she is the old cow. I 321 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.759 just wanted money. I mean, of course she is. You just fucking 322 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:36.920 attacked her like Jailhease style. Peter would later go on to say, quote, 323 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.000 I had to do it. It was my mission. I was told 324 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.200 sex workers were the scum of the earth, and the guy who wants to 325 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:48.880 fuck a sister isn't. The woman that Peter attacked survived and saw Trevor's license 326 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.000 plate, so she went to the police and she reported the crime. So 327 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:57.400 police went to question Trevor because it was his license plate, and he was 328 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.400 like, yeah, no, luckily, and I was with my friend Peter. 329 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.119 He got out of the car and he came running back like he like 330 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.480 was like, no, no, I ain't like I did judge it right, 331 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.839 and just to get away driver unintentionally like I was. I haven't drinks 332 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:18.359 with my pal. So he like sends them Peter's way and they go and 333 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:25.519 they questioned Peter, and Peter's just like, yeah, I hit her. 334 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.359 I wasn't with a rock though, I hit her with my hand, like 335 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:33.759 I you know, yeah, closed fisted, sure m. Police ask him 336 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.599 some more questions and then they leave like they don't arrest him. They're just 337 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.720 like, cool, thanks for your time. What he like? I think 338 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.720 he like spins some story that like she took his money and he was just 339 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.799 trying to get it back and so he like hit her to get it back, 340 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.720 and the police are just like cool, thanks for your time. Surely 341 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:57.359 the injury from a rock would be different, it would be different to that 342 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.839 of her. I would am I and so too. But a few weeks 343 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:06.359 later, a policeman sees Peter's car on the side of the road. He 344 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.880 decided to go see if everything was okay, but as he got closer to 345 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.359 the car, Peter just sped off. A little while later, the officer 346 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:18.440 saw Peter's car again, but this time it was empty. The officer had 347 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:23.279 a quick look around and he soon found Peter hiding in some bushes holding a 348 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.640 hammer. Oh oh, okay, are you okay? In their little guy, 349 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.880 you're right. Peter told the officer that his hood cap had come off 350 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.839 his car and he needed to hammer it back on. The police officer didn't 351 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:45.160 believe him, and he arrested him. But the officer never searched like Peter's 352 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.160 body like they never searched him, and if they did. If the officer 353 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.839 had had searched him, they would have found a knife in his pocket. 354 00:28:53.200 --> 00:29:00.559 Peter was fined twenty five pound and charged with a misdemeanor. I will say 355 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.319 twenty five pound back in nineteen sixty nine would be a lot more than it 356 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.839 is today, but it's still He was charged twenty five pound and a misdemeanor. 357 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:12.119 I guess they didn't catch him actually doing any They just caught him hiding 358 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:17.359 in a bush like little freak. Well, the police report doesn't even mention 359 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.759 that he has a hammer in it, like they left that out. Oh 360 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:25.119 later, Peter admits that he was there to try to kill a sex worker 361 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:29.359 and the officer interrupted him. What the fuck. Peter and Sonia are still 362 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.680 dating at this stage, but Sonia had moved to London to study to be 363 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:38.039 a teacher. Sonia had a mental breakdown over the stress of school, which 364 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:44.839 like get it girl. She was admitted to the hospital in nineteen seventy two. 365 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:51.400 Peter was then assigned as her primary caregiver, and on August tenth, 366 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:56.200 nineteen seventy four, the couple got married. Sonya was doing better. She 367 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.720 was released from hospital, and her and Peter moved. Her and Peter went 368 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:06.759 on a honeymoon to Paris. They then moved into her parents' home so that 369 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:11.759 they could save money so like to buy their own place, and Sonia was 370 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:17.319 able to return back to the teacher program with the help of her parents. 371 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:22.400 Good for her, Peter became friendly with their neighbor, Ronald Barker. The 372 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.160 pair would go out drinking together in the local pubs and they would be out 373 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:36.799 chasing women. On July fifth, nineteen seventy five, Peter went to Kiley's 374 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.119 red light district and was just watching the sex workers. After a while, 375 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:48.720 Peter saw thirty six year old Anna Rogulski. Anna was walking to her boyfriend's 376 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.440 apartment, and Peter assumed she was a sex worker as he had seen her 377 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:57.720 around the area before. As Anna walked past him, Peter asked her if 378 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:03.640 she was quote in business, and Annah, like a queen, responds, 379 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.200 not on your life, good woman. Anna got to her boyfriend's house and 380 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.799 she was a little bit shaken up because like some strange man was like are 381 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:18.960 you. So she gets to her boyfriend's apartment and she is banging on the 382 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.920 door and she's shouting to be let in when Peter snuck up behind her and 383 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.880 hit her on the back of the head twice with a hammer. Peter then 384 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.359 dragged Anna's unconscious body den an alleyway and began cutting her stomach with a knife. 385 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.079 A neighbor had heard the struggle and came out to see what was going 386 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:48.079 on, startling Peter into running away. Anna had two skull fractures and had 387 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:53.240 to have a twelve hour surgery, but she survived. Anna couldn't remember anything 388 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:59.319 about her attack or who attacked her, unfortunately, but at least she survived. 389 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.559 My god, I'd imagine surviving something like that. Oh God, listener, 390 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.920 discretion is advised. Sorry, Meggan, you have to hear it. 391 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:15.119 Peter liked to masturbase over his victim's bodies as they lay dying. No no, 392 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:22.079 no, no, And there and there was semen found on Anna's clothes. 393 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.319 That is absolutely the fact that her stomach was like cut open, and 394 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:34.960 he's no sele so like they did have a semen, but obviously like he'd 395 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.480 never been arrested, Like they didn't have his DNA. Do you know what 396 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.559 I mean? It's nineteen fucking seventy four or whatever. I don't know it 397 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:45.960 was DNA even a real thing back then. Like I know they could tell 398 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:51.519 blood type. I don't even know, but like it's nineteen seventy five, 399 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.279 so like, no, I can't imagine it's a big thing. So it 400 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:59.559 didn't matter that they had it. To be perfectly honest, On August fifteenth, 401 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.200 nineteen seventy five, Peter and Trevor Birdsall went to a pub in Halifax 402 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.519 for some drinks. Do you think that like Trevor's wife would be like, 403 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.480 hey, I feel like Peter's like not a good guy. He brought police 404 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.640 to our door and maybe don't hang out with him, or like Trevor would 405 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:22.279 maybe think that himself, like, hey, Peter's like really sketchy, and 406 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.799 maybe Trevor's a sketchy guy. Maybe he is, I don't know. To 407 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.839 be honest, I will say spoiler alert, he will redeem himself in the 408 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:37.759 very end. I await Trevor's redemption looking forward to it. During the night, 409 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:43.920 Peter got into a disagreement with forty six year old Olive Smelt. Peter 410 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.880 had accused all of being a sex worker, which she was not. They 411 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:52.480 both left the pub in different directions. Peter and Trevor were driving home when 412 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:58.960 Peter saw all of walking down a lane and asked Trevor to pull over as 413 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.160 there was someone he needed to speak to. So like Trevor was just driving, 414 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:06.880 Trevor didn't notice her, and Peter just happened to be like, that's 415 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.599 that bitch from the pub, and he was like, hey, will you 416 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.840 pull over for a second, There's someone I need to talk to, and 417 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.639 Trevors was like, cool, okay. As Peter got out of the car, 418 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:22.079 he reached down to grab something. Peter then went down like the other 419 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.480 side of the lane in an attempt to cush all of off so that like 420 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.760 he would meet her as he passed all of He walked down with his head 421 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.840 down so that she couldn't see him, so like she's coming up the lane 422 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.280 way, he's coming down the laneway with his head down so that she won't 423 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.679 cop who he is terrifying, and then he immediately turns around and he hits 424 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.840 her on the head with his hammer. Olive fell to the ground and Peter 425 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.920 hit her a second time with the hammer. Peter then pulled down Olive's underwear 426 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:01.880 and pulled out a knife. He then proceeded to cut her down there several 427 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.760 times, like on her vagina, yeah, down in that, like, 428 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.519 yeah, pretty much. A couple were parked nearby and they could hear a 429 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.440 struggle, so they turned on their car lights to flash, what you know, 430 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:21.079 to see like what's that noise going on? And this startled Peter and 431 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:27.440 he ran away. Olive had to undergo several life saving surgeries and she did 432 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.960 ultimately survive. The next day, Trevor saw the report of all of the 433 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.039 attack, but at first he didn't put the connection together, Like he didn't 434 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.559 immediately go, oh, my friend, and no, no, no, 435 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.840 I'm sorry, Okay, your friend comes back. He has to have at 436 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:51.320 least some amount of blood on him, and he's carrying a fucking hammer. 437 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.320 But it's like the middle of the night, it's like one am, and 438 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.559 he didn't see the hammer. And I do think a part of it, 439 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.599 why it's a real case of oh, not my friend, Like, my 440 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:08.159 friend couldn't do that. Not my friend Peter, who got with a sixteen 441 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.679 year old when he was twenty one, and who I know for a fact 442 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.480 is already assaulted sex workers in the past. Not him, Not him, 443 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:21.039 though he's a good guy. On October thirtieth nineteen seventy five, Peter went 444 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.679 down to a pub in Leeds for some drinks. After he had a few 445 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:30.039 drinks, he went driving around because now he's obsessed with the idea of killing 446 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.360 a sex worker. He came across a young woman hitchhiking along the side of 447 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:39.519 the road. Twenty eight year old Wilma McCann was recently divorced and had four 448 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.079 young children. They were living in a small apartment and she had become a 449 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.719 sex worker to try and support her children if she had to make a living. 450 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:55.239 Wilma's struggled with alcoholism and these would be the main two things that's sadly 451 00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.039 the press would focus on, of course, sing about her case. So 452 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:07.119 a major problem with this case is that whilst this case is ongoing, whilst 453 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:15.440 the Yorkshire Ripper case is ongoing, the press talk awfully about the victims. 454 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:22.360 They talk about how they were sex workers, how they were per how they 455 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:29.480 were drug addicts or alcoholics. The press, the media put a very much 456 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:35.679 emphasis on it was their fault for being there, for being sex workers, 457 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:44.360 straight up victim planning. And it is years later the police departments do eventually 458 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:50.880 apologize for how first of all, how the cases were handled, and then 459 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.639 secondly, how it was all talked about in the press, because it's not 460 00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:00.880 just the press making like these assumptions as well. It's like the officers who 461 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:02.159 are like giving interviews to the press are like, oh, yeah, but 462 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:07.440 she was a sex worker, so like she deserved it, right, guys, 463 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.360 right, you know, and it is it's an awful thing to like 464 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.880 see in here because you're like, first of all, it's their body. 465 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.239 They can do it with it what they want. And a lot of these 466 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:25.400 people so you're like, the areas that they're enduring these times are dirt per 467 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.800 and so it's like the only way that they can make a living and they 468 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:35.599 have families to support. But at the same time, there's no supply without 469 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:40.679 demand. So all of these men that are like they're disgusting, they are 470 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.679 the demand, you know, they are the reason why there are sex workers. 471 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:51.039 Literally. So Peter pulled over and offered Wilmer a ride home, and 472 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.400 she accepted. While on the way to her apartment, she asked Peter if 473 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.000 he wanted business, and this let him know that she was a sex worker. 474 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:06.320 The pair pulled into Prince Philip's playing field, which was approximately one hundred 475 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.800 yards from where Wilma lived. Wilma got out of the car and she lay 476 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.079 in the field while Peter got out of his car and took a hammer from 477 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:19.239 his trunk. As Wilma began unbuttoning Peter's pants, he took the hammer and 478 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.280 he hid her on the top of the head. Peter continued to hit Wilma 479 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.760 on the head with the hammer, quote penetrating the full thickness of her skull. 480 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:34.079 Peter then took out a knife and began stabbing Wilma. He began stabbing 481 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.559 her in the neck and fourteen times in the torso. The next day, 482 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:45.440 a local milkman and his ten year old brother found Wilma's body. Oh my 483 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:50.000 god, So this is Peter's first actual murder that he's this is his first, 484 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.679 yes, his first murder, and before this he's just been attacking woman, 485 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.880 but he hasn't actually successfully killed anybody. They ran to the nearest house 486 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.440 to call the police, and it didn't take police long to close off the 487 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:08.559 scene. However, people in the surrounding area hired nothing and saw nothing the 488 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:15.800 night before. Police didn't connect the murder of Wilma to the attacks of Anna 489 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:22.679 and Olive. I don't even think they connected the attack of Anna and Olive 490 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.000 yet, Like they hadn't connected those two attacks to one another, and then 491 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.400 they didn't attack. They didn't connect then the murder, which to me is 492 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:36.079 silly because so far all three women have been attacked with fucking hammers and I'll 493 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:40.079 have like vicious stab or knight wounds. Wounds. Yeah, so like it's 494 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.559 the same m O. It's just this time he was successful in killing her. 495 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:50.480 And it's like, how many people are being violently attacked in the area 496 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.199 with knives and hammers like this women? I'd like to hope not that many. 497 00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:02.159 Yeah. Same. The medical call examiner concluded that Wilma was more than 498 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.400 likely unconscious after the head trauma, but would have very would have been still 499 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:14.239 very much alive during this stabbins. There were traces of semen found on Wilma's 500 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:20.679 clothing. However, it is believed that she was not sexually assaulted. That 501 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.679 is where I'm going to end part one. In part two will get more 502 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.000 into his killings. Um, there's a lot of them. There's a lot 503 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.199 of killings and attacks. So that's why I say it will probably be a 504 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:37.480 three parter to get into him being caught in all of that jazz. So 505 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:45.039 I just I can't like the fact that he masturbates over his victims. And 506 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.079 the sick thing is is he like does it whilst they're dying? Yeah, 507 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:57.239 so it's not even it's like, what does he have an attraction to? 508 00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.239 Is it the act itself where he just feels still rated and he's excited by 509 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.320 that, or is it this site of blood and stuff because he obviously enjoys 510 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:12.199 being around the dead as well. Ye're an you know the dead that you're 511 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.639 burying. I don't know. Yeah, so it's a weird thing to like 512 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.000 what is it that's like exciting him? And he's still working as a mortuary 513 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:25.559 assistant? Is he? And by this stage I think he is just a 514 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:34.400 mechanic Now I don't care he am from what I remember. M he just 515 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.079 then I think he eventually leaves that and he just kind of gets a job 516 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:45.280 M like in like mechanics. The area that they're living in isn't the greatest, 517 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:51.840 so it's kind of more so whatever job he can get. Yeah, 518 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.320 I know eventually he will go on to get a job as a lorry driver, 519 00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.480 right, Um, so he kind of I think is just whatever kind 520 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.360 of job he can get his hands on is the kind of job he's working. 521 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.119 He's like he never really keeps a job for all too long, so 522 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:12.719 he's like bouncing from job to job. But like him, it's wild because 523 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.360 like him and Sonia are like saving for a house and then he's just like 524 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:22.280 out killing people and you're like normal. Yeah, and again it's like the 525 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:27.079 people who you always think are the most normal, but at the same time, 526 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.159 to the people that were really close to him, like Trevor knew that 527 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:36.599 he wasn't an okay guy, and his other friend also knew that he wasn't 528 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.960 an okay guy. I do think proud of them, just like it's like 529 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:47.719 you choose to ignore these things because like there's no way your friend could be 530 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.880 a killer, do you know what I mean? H It's like they can't 531 00:43:52.880 --> 00:44:00.039 see all the red flags because their glasses are roastinted. 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