Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have an interesting show for you this evening. We have Patrick Jackson and
Stephen Colburn and they have basically Patrick's come up with a theory on what he
thinks things are related, all related, and when it comes to some of
the paranormal, some people will argue that UFOs are not paranormal because there's so
much evidence that they're here that they're not exactly paranormal. But anyway, that's
my compared to I'm interested in just hearing what his thoughts are on what we
may be seeing. Now. He does a lot of work with orbs,
which may be different than your average UFO. I'm not sure we're gonna be
talking about all that in just a minute. This week we have Charles Lear
back with our blog and this week and it's called when UFOs Were Left to
Private Investigators, And there's a number of people, including Donald Keyhole, who
you don't think of. I guess he did some investigating after his years with
the service in the military. But anyway, it's a great blog as usual,
so check that out. And next week we have my friendly Spiegel.
We'll be on and we are good to go. I'm going to bring in
our guests, starting with Patrick Jackson. Welcome to the show. Patrick,
Hi, how are you doing all right? Doing well? Thank you and
glad to see you here. And we're a little he's having a little trouble
this camera. But Liasi's here. Stephen, how are you as Stephen?
You're an ox California And Patrick here from UK? Yes? And so Patrick,
where where are you in the what part of the UK? Um?
Do you live? Where do you live? I mean West London? West
London? Oh, okay, And I've heard a lot now. I brought
this up recently. I think it was with Philip Mantel. I said that
some people tell me that a lot of there's not a lot of sightings and
a lot of the UK because of the weather. Is that Is that something
you ever hear about or does it not matter? They're they're everywhere. Um,
it's probably because it's so cloudy, cloud most of the time. Yeah,
so it's probably happening above the clouds. Um. But I think that
it's just as common here as it is anywhere else. Yes, we don't
see it as much because of the weather. Yeah, because it's more dark
and gray in our in you know, generally, but right now we've got
a really good summer, so you know, people start seeing more about the
time of year and as and Steve, even where you're at is the number
one place in the country where not not just because of the population, but
because there's a lot of really great weather out in California. Yeah, that's
right. It's probably because of the weather, and probably because the southern California
here is a major UFO hot spot as well. The UK is probably just
as hot, but just don't see him as much because of the clouds,
like Patrick was saying. And Arizona is actually a big hot spot to you,
just across the California eastern border there the Hobby desert in general. Right,
uh huh, So Patrick, let's let's start on Well, first of
all, the name of your book, I put it out there if you
would. The name is Quintan Paranormal, a twenty fionalysis of the paranormal PHO
number. And what made you Well, first of all, were you interested
in so called paranormal before you for a long time and then you kind of
put your study in that together? Is that how it happened? Yeah,
so I kind of grew up in a very paranorbal hotspot with ghosts sen UFOs
kind of like being seen quite a lot. And I don't actually mean by
big flying sources flying over the place. I mean I used to see these
little balls of light flying over the street lights a lot, and I never
knew what they were, so I just used to watch them and now be
that but the paranormal as all. Well, basically backing up a bit is
one day I was sitting there on the field and I looked across and I
saw a guy dressed as a monk in the middle of the field, and
I wondered what it was. I was like, you know, I just
thought it was some crazy guy standing in the middle of the field, and
so I started shouting abuse at him for a while and then that he didn't
have any sort of reaction. So I pulled out my laser pointer and I
put a laser right on his face or where his face would be. And
what it was it was like, it looked like a monk with his hood
up and a completely black face. So I put the laser right in his
face and it kind of reflected, but you couldn't see anything. It was
just like a big black mass, and that kind of, you know,
interests me a bit. So I just got up and started walking towards it
because I actually just thought it was someone had dumped like a statue in the
middle of the field, and I got within about fifteen feet of it something
like that, and it just disappeared in front of me. And I've never
seen anything like that before, so I kind of like, that's kind of
like woke me up a bit, and I was thinking, Oh, that's
that's interesting, you know. And then I basically I said to the local
villages in the local pub and I said to them like a week later,
I just said, I think I saw like a look like a monk across
the field or something, you know, and they go, oh, yeah,
that's the mad monk he haunts here. And I was like, what's
that? You know? So I never said that before, and and that
kind of got me into it. I was like, well, you know,
normally, normally people dismissed ghosts and stuff, but when you actually see
it for a long period of time with your own eyes, and also you
shine lasers on it and stuff like that, that's when it kind of gets
interesting. And that's what that will put me into it. And basically,
yeah, so fast forward a bit longer, is is my background is well
too. So after that I basically started watching all the paranormal TV shows,
everything from the US and here in the UK for years, but nothing really
jelled with me. It all just didn't make sense to me. You know,
they say, like a spirit came back from the dead, or a
guy from four hundred years ago it was haunting the place or something like that,
and none of none of it really jelled with me. None of it
made any sense, and it kept on bugging me for a long time.
So eventually, I think it was in twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, I decided
to really make a go of it and see if I could figure it out.
So basically my job is, I'm a data based guy. I work
in processes and reverse engineering. So how that generally works is is a developer
will turn up for the company, develop a load of good stuff and then
you will leave and no one knows how it works, so someone like me
would have to come along and figure it all out and document it so the
company can then replicate it or modify it or do whatever. And this is
this is nothing special in it. This is what a lot of people do.
The only difference is is that I use the same kind of men,
the same thought process on the paranormal and that's what I That's what I did.
So I basically rented out a place called thirty ye s Drive, which
is said to be the most violent portly guist in the UK, because I
wanted to figure out what portly guys were to start, you know, And
so I did, and I stayed there for quite a while, and I
was in there and I had some ideas, but none of it really made
sense. And after a few couple couple of days I've been in there,
all my theories were completely trashed. So I was like, I had to
start from from scratch again. But what I had the whole thing filmed,
and I noticed that I finally got I finally got holders image. And when
I looked at it and I put it through some imaging software, he came
out as a small silver ball and I was like, that looks familiar,
and I realized that that's the same thing as I used to see growing up
flying over my village. And then once I saw this small silver seer in
the in the building, I looked at its behavior patterns, and then I
realized that the behavior patterns in the in these haunted houses aren't human as all,
that they're actually process driven. It's computer like. So the same thing
he was happening each time the same door keep banging. You'll see the same
processes replicating around around the world. And when I when I saw that,
it was like, okay, so what's going on there? You know?
And then I lie after a little bit of study that it's the same technology
that the pilots saw during World War Two, which was the Foo Fighters.
And then I realized after a bit more digging that there's three variants of the
food fighters. There's Type one, two, and three, which how I
describe it. So the Type ones operate a hundred thousand feet that's seen from
the ISS, that's seen from the by the US Navy. Currently, they're
seen by commercial airliners. They're seen all over the place, and they're operating
swarms in clusters. And what they do is they intercept external groups and interests.
So the intercepts m other UFOs, other other flying sources of the other
craft. And how they do this is through a particular type of mechanism So
what happens is is that there's three types. You have Type one, two,
and three. That the type ones obviously there. The Type twos are
smaller. They're about the size of a football or yeah, about a football,
like the bet sphere was that that was the Type two. And what
they do is they operate in areas such as woodlands or areas of harsh environments,
so up mountains, woodlands, jungle, middle of the ocean kind of
thing. And then you have to Type threes, which are the smaller variants
and then about the size of a baseball, and they operate in buildings and
they are the cause of politic eis activity. So how it works is when
the type ones are up up in the atmosphere and they detect something in the
atmosphere, they can't signal each other because if they do, the one in
the middle will detect them. So what they do is they do a signal
redirect downside the ground. And so what they do is that they signal down
to the Type threes and buildings. The type tree will come on line and
then what will happen is it will start emitting gamma rays and microwaves, and
that's why people start feeling sick and they start fainting. In hounded houses,
they get headache and they feel nauseous. Because it's low level radiation poisoning,
they use a thing for burst relaying protocol. So if you if you if
you look at all the haunted houses in the UK and map them, you'll
notice that they operating lines and clusters, which means that it mimics are very
similar to our own microwave based communication networks. So what they do is they
signal down and signal back up again, and then what happens is once that
data link is established, they can then triangulate on the objects surround it and
intercept it before being detected. And then once the whole process is up and
done, you'll then shut down. So but while this transmissions occurring, because
of the high energy emissions, it will cause diversions to move people away,
so you'll bang the door downstairs like in thirty Ye Strive. The Type three
is operating in the attic and what it does it bangs the coalshed door downstairs,
so everybody in the house rushes down to the culture door. But if
you actually look at the map of the house, it's actually the most shielded
part of the house. So if you're emitting gamma raysing and microwaves, it's
the most safest part of the buildings be in because the walls would absorble or
the emissions. So what they've tried to do is is that they move people
away from HIG energy emissions. And this behavior is replicated time and time again
in all these haunted houses and all these footage is where people have been dragged
away or been held in positions, and it's because they're trying to keep people
out of the way of HIG energy emissions. It's that simple. So why
poltyguis activity is so intermittent because it's the transponder. It comes online, does
its thing and then shuts down. So something will happen on a Monday,
and then nothing for a week, and then it will happen again. It
doesn't matter what you do, or what you say, or how much you
coax it, nothing will happen until it comes online again. And that's what's
happened. This has actually been proven recently by one of Brandon's Brandon's Guy's,
a guy called Jim. He put a load of gamma ray and and microwave
detectors in basically what haunted buildings and guess what he detected gamma ray and microwave
first. Are you talking about Grinn Walker, he's one of his one of
his guys. I think it's something to do the basins one of one of
those buildings. But he put a load of senses in a group of buildings
and he was picking up gamma ray and microwave firsts, which is exactly how
I modeled it. Now, when you were talking about the triangulation and the
orbs and all that, you seem pretty confident that you that this is what
is happening. How do you how do you know this is what's really happening,
because there's video of it, There's there's images from it from the Pentagon
as images from nineteen fifties. All you have to do is get the image
and boost it up a little bit with contrast and low down the the the
brightness and you can see them. And it's the same process every time.
So you had some of these things on your Facebook pages, that is that?
Is that what you're talking aboutout M and I can actually share that um,
but before I do that, I should ask our other guests. Steve,
basically, what what got you interested in this topic to begin with?
And how did you connect with Patrick? Well, I've always been interested in
the topic, and um, I got into you being a UFO an abduction
researcher in a major way about um around uh two thousand and eight, when
I'm an experiencer myself and the aliens put out an implant in my left second
toe, and I went to talk to doctor lear about it and we ended
up becoming partners, and he took the object out and I analyzed it with
some state of the art instrumentation I had at my work at that time.
And so I've been a researcher of the subject ever since. And I heard
about Patrick's work and thought it was very interesting, and he asked me to
work with him on it. And Steve sorry, and Steve actually, um,
he did a material analysis someone to the sea as a crash few years
ago. Yeah, I've yeah, I've got an analysis of several implants of
doctor Learr removed from his patients, including my own. And I have a
piece of a sphere that Patrick's calling a type one that crashed in Mexico back
around around and two thousand that Hommy Masson got a hold of and it turned
out to be a very interesting piece of technology. It's a it's an titanium
alloy, but it's got nano materials embedded in the metal, including carbon nanotubes,
and it also had voids deliberately introduced into the metal to lower the density.
And it's incredibly strong stuff. It was very hard to cut, and
the only reason I was be able to cut a piece off, I think
is because parts of it were damaged by heat from the crash. It apparently
had an electromendet field around it that was really strong, and it collapsed when
the when the object crashed, and most of the heat was dumped into the
poles of the sphere and vaporized some of the metal, and the area around
the areas that were vaporized were damaged by heat and lowered the strength a bit.
So I was able to get a piece off for analysis. And Massan
said that the rancher that that witnessed a crash that it killed a cow hundred
blast killed a cow hundred meters away. So there's an incredible amount of energy
in these things when they're charged up and flying. U is any of those
the images of what you're talking about in on the Facebook page available to to
see. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I can. I have the
report on the the object and you're welcome to have a copy. Yeah,
that's on the Facebook page as well. And as far as UH, you
know, you you talk about this crashed piece and all that, and also
you're the topic has come up come up on this show before with what happened
to Roger Lear's you know, implants that he removed supposedly removed and where are
they now are and what type of testing has been done on them? You're
familiar with all that. Oh, yeah, I've I've analyzed I've analyzed five
of the objects and and what what do you know about them? They're sophisticated
pieces of nanotechnology. They're they're a lot like the like the sphere sample.
They have their their metal with UM with nanotechnology built into the metal and UH
they give off radio frequencies and they're self powering. Apparently they connect to the
nervous system they have They have UM UH apparently enzymes in the enzyme or some
chemical Q and the surface of the metal that allows UH or causes UH appropriate
sceptor nerves to grow into the objects and they develop a very tough m outer
membrane um that apparently access the interface between the electronics and the device and the
nervous system. And they're, in my opinion, way beyond our cilian technology
right now. They're also made a meteoric iron or all the ones I've analyzed
to have a certain percent mediorc irons, some are pure mediac irons, some
are percentage and the planet apparently Well yeah, I mean I've I've heard of
these things, but I've never really seen, um, you know, any
reports on them or anything like that. So is there anything here we can
take a look at that in particular. Either one of you can answer.
I don't know if there's I'm just scolling through all these images. So if
you stopped there and see the one second from the left, second from the
left, hang on them. Let me see if I can. Are you
talking about this one right here with a bunch of images. That's the one
in the thirty drive. That's the type three. It's by the size of
a of a baseball. There's a lower picture there and that's the same thing
in the field which will take great crop circles. Oh, yes, that's
one I've seen. That's one on the next to it on the right.
This one is something to do with, um, the one that went into
the water off of the Olmaha something like that. Yeah, it's the same
objects you just saw. Um it's a Type three. So it's hopely next
next to the ship. Okay, and let's see. So I'm just scrolling
through these and taking a look, and it looks like, well, there's
a lot of images, but I too did see a couple of things of
that I recognize. I just I just saw the sphere that I got a
sample of down below. Okay, tell me where where I go? Keep
going? Yeah, and I will have this in the show notes for those
of you that are listening to this in audio. I keep going, keep
going. Okay, Uh, thanks for going. It's almost there. I
think there it is there. It is the gray metal sphere, this metal
sphere right here. Yes, I still want to have a sample of.
And where where was that found? That was found about one hundred miles south
of the US border? Um Uh, closest to US town is Brownsville,
Texas, on the east coast of Mexico. Okay. And now if you
if you go up, you'll see them SIOD analysis of that if you go,
keep going up and go to the features. Tap well the way.
But I'm wondering why you have this da Vinci painting here. So the sea
is if you look at them, say the second image from the left on
the you see the seas would up up, up up up this one right
here? Yeah. Can I control the mouse? It's all I'm here you're
talking about. Uh no, no, no, can I control the mouse?
Oh? Unfortunately not? Okay, So if you go, if you
if you go up up a bit, ye, see the one on the
left next to note down a bit, you see the one where you see
the flying sauce top left. Okay, this one you're talking about right here.
One. Yeah, So what you see is the is the three cs
surrounding it like this, And this is a t This is a triangulation process.
So what happens is is it in this in this configuration, the craft
has nowhere to go because it can't get away in this Once once this information,
this can't escape weapons lock. So basically these will surround it and then
fireAll at once and the craft will be atomized. And then if you close
this one, some some UFOs are presumably blinding to a different species actually launched.
These These are orbs too. Yeah, and also honey Massana's film of
hundreds of these type one orbs dyking with snake like uh basis or whatever you
want to call it at about one hundred thousand feet alp to you and so
high up you can't see him from the ground. Yah, stop the down,
go back down. I'm just I'm just looking real quickly here and I
will because these right here, I wanted to know what what's what's the story?
Um well if if there's a better picture than that, but in a
nutshell, I'll show you close that this one here you see the one next
one the right, that's it. So the top one here is the one
in thirty year strive. It's the type three which by the side of the
baseball. This one here's a bet sphere. The one below, the one
below that is a one Steve tested. And this one here setting out set
outside the Vatican. So it appears it appears that, I mean, this
is a sculpture and he appears to be the same thing as a sphere as
we are we're testing on Oh I see, yeah, these are these all
here are in Italian sculpture sculptures that's right. Yeah, the one I analyze
is titanium alloy with a lot of nanotechnology and at the bets fired or some
other very high density material. Yeah, okay, And and I just I
did ask, what why do you have this particular painting? So if you
look in if you look in the series holding in his hand, right,
you'll see the three lights. Yeah, that's that's a reflection. And by
the way, that's this painting was eighty three percent restored. So everything you
see in this painting, over eighty percent of it is new paint. Um.
Yeah, I know who the restorer was and everything. But if you
look at the next image alone, it met that configuration of the lights that
one there, this one here, one there. Yeah, that's the intercept
process. That's what they look like when they're intercepting other targets, which looks
exactly the same with what's in the what's in the ball. I see the
reflection of the bob but that yeah, well okay, similar Yeah, all
right, so anyway we can get back to I see, you have a
lot of things that look pretty familiar through here, different ones that I've seen.
But what is in particular, what is this right here that's another one,
another sample that we're testing the count talk too much about that one.
There's there's a lot of stuff going on with that in the background, but
that's that's actually one of the intact and it's still semi active. So you're
saying that this, Well, let's get back to um steve. What you
said that you took a piece of and how how did you take how did
you actually remove a piece from this? And why didn't you just take the
whole thing? Well, it belongs to I'm a massan. He didn't want
it. He didn't want to part with the whole thing, but he can
sent it to give me a piece for analysis and a colleague and I cut
a piece off of it with a damel motor tool with a silicon carbide disk,
and I don't think that even would have scratched it if it hadn't been
damaged by heat. Though the edges of the metal around there were where I
took the sample, and those are definitely damaged by heat. The rest of
the metal, i'd estimate was at least three or four time stronger than that
area. It was so strong that carbide would barely scratch it. And we
actually had another an implant from patient sixteen and doctor Lear's project that was made
of a material that was an iron alloy reinforced the carbon downo tubes that was
so strong that even diamond tools wouldn't cut it. We had to use a
high energy laser to cut it in half or analysis. Oh that's interesting,
So so what'd you take? It? Just seems to me like a couple
of different things. And I want to ask you maybe I'll start with you
Patrick on this. So the the sphere that I brought up just what I
don't know that came went up back. So the sphere that came up that
you said you can't talk about, I just head it up. And what
is the particular reason why you can't talk about that? Right now? You
say you're doing some work on it? Is there? Yeah, what can
you tell us about it? It's the real thing and it's semi active and
semi active what does that mean? It rolls around all day on its side.
It's basically the best see a two point note. And so do you
have like if this thing is rolling around, where's it kept? Is it
kept by someone that doesn't want to show it to other people? Or suddenly
like that. Yeah. Yeah, as I say, there's there's a lot
of stuff going on in the background with it, but that that's going to
be coming out in the next few months. Okay, So if this thing
really was some alien type technology, it kind of would put a lot of
things to bed, wouldn't it, you know, as far as the debate
of things coming here or not and all that. I mean, this seems
like it could be something really major if this was the case, and change
everything if this was the case. And so I guess a couple of questions
I have for you, is it's not in government hands right? No?
And is there is this person working exclusively with anyone that can get the word
out there if the thing really ends up being something spectacular? Yeah, they're
working with me. So if I have exclusive access to it? And how
would you like if all right, let's just say, let's just run a
scenario. Let's say this thing did incredible things. It would it was intelligent
and could maneuver on its own or whatever, and you actually have it captured
and wherever it is and it's not going to get away, how would you
get the word out? Who would you get the word out too? If
this is the case, if this thing somehow seemed to be off planet and
off planet type of thing, how would you get the word out there to
the world the media. There's there's a lot, there's quite a few media
who are interested in this worthy And how long has this thing been known about?
And what country is it in? It's been learning about for a little
while, but I can't say where it is. How as I say,
you will find out sitting because it's it's just it's in progress, So you'll
find out sitting, all right, And can you tell me what type of
US science is there? Would there be access like for instance, if we
talked off air and I said, hey, look I've got this great scientist
guy that works with metal and metallurgy and all that, and because I actually
do have access to some some people like this that would be very interested.
Is this something that could be observed by someone in the science field. Yes,
and that's been arranged. Yeah, it could be arranged. No,
it's being arranged. It is being arranged. Huh okay, um, all
right, well I'd be interested to know more about that as as of course,
you know, anytime you say you can't talk about something, that's all
the email you're going to get and myself is okay. Everyone wants to know
why you can't talk about it and what is it? Well, that's the
way it works. Yeah, I'm afraid that's where it works. Is if
you want something properly tested, it has to be done quietly. You can't
be done really in the media. Now have you physically seen this yourself or
have you seen it? You have physically seen this, Yeah, And in
fact, I've seen in the front of my research um in buildings, personally
outside, so I've seen quite a few. There are several crash spears that
are in private hands right now that might be bought for the right price as
well. Here. Yeah, well hey, look, if something was could
be proven that it was off planet, their price could be whatever someone puts
on it, you know that, because that would change everything. So I
guess I would like to say to you if that's so, is that something
you know the whereabouts and all that? Yeah, I know where it is.
Yeah? Is it for sale? No? Yeah, but I'm talking
to you, Stephen. You say you know where these things are? You
know where some things are, or you just I used to know her A
couple of them are I could find out again if they're still available. But
they apparently fall out of the sky on a fairly regular basis. And I
have reasonable at least two or three or in private hands besides the one that
Patrick is talking about. Okay, here's a question here. Uh, Mary
Grace wants to know. Do these Does the active sphere make any sound?
No? But it does vibrate a lot. It vibrates and and uh,
all right, so I saw when I showed the picture of it, I
showed it being on a stand, and uh, let me see if I
can bring that back up. I saw it being in a stand. When
you when the thing is put on the on the ground, this isn't the
thing anyway here. But when it's put on the ground, does it supposedly
do anything that one does? Not that one that's not active anymore? No,
I'm sorry, I'm meant to put up the other one. Um so
when this other one, when I find it, when that one is uh,
it's it's on something. It looks like a plant holder or something,
a plant pot holder. When it's put on the ground, what happens?
It rolls around all day? This right here, it rolls around all day?
And what about um? Any readings off of it on the outside.
Yeah, it makes gama rays. It's gamma rays. Huh dangerous, is
not dangerous, but it's much high than background radiation. Okay, Um,
any any other type of readings. Um, this is what it might be.
Microwaves coming from it. But we need to be more testing on this
one, and that's what we're setting up seeing all right. I'd be surprised
if it's not giving off microwaves and our f at some level. Probably something
like this you would expect if it flew at one time, it would fly
again. The thing just sits there on that stand. Well, the thing
is is it? Um? This one is not damaged. It appears it's
just not online. So technically, with the right signal, they could come
back online. Okay Um. Maybe maybe the aliens are just allowing them to
possess it for for a while for some reason best known to themselves. And
I would think so, Steve, you you pretty much think that whatever this
is is aliens most likely? And what are your thoughts as well? Patrick?
Oh? It's completely yeah, completely that The abilities that the ones that
hut in the buildings are is amazing. They can perform a thing called content
tunneling, which was witnessed during World War Two. So what happened is is
that because the air crews saw the bigger variance of these during World War two,
and they used to appear outside the aircraft and then fly inside the aircraft
and then they go right through laws. Yeah, they go right through the
walls called content tunneling, and that's what they could perform, and that's we
can only do that on a small scale in the lab. These things can
have perfected it, and they can they as I said, the operating buildings,
they can pass through pretty much anything. They won't John Hudginson and John
Hudgerson and a lot of his experiments have seen the effect, and I would
imagine the government's seeing it extensively in their labs. But they've perfected the technology
aliens. That is a lot of times I've seen like light orbs, or
people talk about light orbs, but I'm hearing you talk quite a bit about
the silver metallic type. How often are people I don't know myself, I
guess I'm asking the question is how often are people to people seem to be
talking about these So the light is a byproduct of the propostion system. It's
like where you have the high energy, high energy passing you over the shell,
which is interesting with our gas environment basically creating foes. It stimulates the
gas molecules creating photons, which is light, which is the same process of
that of lightning. So they're dening on how high how high the driver is
energy. Is it neither look metallic or can glow red or orange or yellow
or depending on depending on the frequency and the gases is passing through at the
time, it will look different colors, but all the stomic colors. And
so are you saying like I've heard people suggest that certain vibration things can possibly
go through walls things like that. So is that kind of along the same
line as which what you're talking about, Like it's a frequency vibration. No,
a very particular process is I don't think it thing to do with vibrations.
It's a very particular atomic process. I'm not sure the details of how
to do it, but it's probably a combination of very high electric fields and
certain frequencies as well that cause it to do that. Um, the atoms,
I think you're being moved aside slightly in forest space and it renders the
material, uh kind of porous or like a viscous liquid in our in our
dimension, so that the object can passed through it. Hm hm okay.
Well um. So the thing I guess that I'm uh well interested in the
most is that there's some type of object that's in someone's hands. I can't
get that out of my head as we're doing this talk. That um and
that it was. Can you describe how that was found at least and how
this person obtained that and why did he did he see this thing flying and
somehow it crashed or what happened. So the story is is that many years
ago A Thomas saw a UFO hovering over his property and he scared the family,
say much. They locked themselves in the in the house for two days
and when they came out. When they came out, all these silver seas
were all over the property. I think it's like a dozen of them.
So one the farmer gave one of these spears two to the guy I know,
and I think he sold the other ones to the military. So that's
what happened. And basically it's been left in his shed for the last thirty
odd years. He's it's a speculation that he saw them to the military,
or did he say that he saw them to the military. No, it's
it's it's probably a logical conclusion that he did because he came back in a
hurry trying to get the one day he gave away. He wanted that one
back, and so the only reason why he would do that is if he
was offered a big price for it. Okay, so we don't know where
the other ones, so there was twelve of them? Are h yeah?
Okay? Uh, well, this is all interesting and I guess I would
have to ask you to, you know, please do follow up with me
if anything happens along these lines, you know, with this thing being uh,
you know tested and and all that, you know, I mean,
it would totally make the difference, uh and basically and what everybody is you
know, the debates out there whether we're being visited visited or not in this
Uh, if this was something that was actually off world and could be proven
it was off world, then you know, you would have um the most
significant find ever by the man. You know, this our species really,
I mean if you think about it, well, according according to what I
can tell, um, the see the type one any skle down to the
type threes when the intercepts occur, which when you look at the actual patterns
in the houses, it means that they're coming online at least once or twice
a week, which means that the intercepts are occurring once or twice a week,
once or twice a week, and and and where exactly or all over
the world. And let me ask you this, I think of this a
lot too. Well, why why us? If there's intelligent life all through
the you know, the galaxy, through the universe, why would it bother
with us? If life is everywhere? If that's well, there's a problem.
There's a problem in genetic school synergy. Um, I don't know if
you're aware of that you, I'm sorry. Synergy there's a prom in genetic
school synergy. So basically what that means is is that what we're seeing currently
in small isolated villages like the villages up the mountains and so forth, when
they all start having children together, like their cousins will have children with the
other cousins and so forth, what happens is a single synergy, which basically
means is that the genius will get screwed up and you'll have children that will
die at the age of ten years old. They just drop dead, or
they have lots of mental, physical disabilities or problems. It's like what happens
when you when your sister has a baby with a brother, and then what
happens is to the genic pool becomes so small it starts causing lots of errors
to the point where it implodes. So what happens is is mathematically, the
problems that we are seeing in currently in small little villages will one day propagate
out to towns and then cities and then countries, and then it'll be global.
So the only way you can fix this problem is by going to another
finding another group that's compatible, and then you extract DNA from them to then
insert into your own race to then extend the lifespan of that race. That's
how it works. So the only reason why the other groups are coming,
the only reason why UFOs are coming, is for genetic extraction. And that's
it simple as that. So what do you think they want to do.
They're expecting exactly what they about that they're extracting human DNA. They're incorporating certain
characteristics of our race into their own because they realize that by getting rid of
emotions in their race a long time ago. They've limited themselves. There are
certain advantages to at least some individuals in their in their hierarchy, having emotions
and having u reactions to things like humans have. Yeah, in a nutshell,
In a nutshell is the case of they need external DNA in order to
extend the lifespan of their own race, and the same thing that that might
that might be it as well, But now they want they want certain human
characteristics that they did not deserve us at this point. Yeah, maybe that
is a fundamental reason and the same thing will happen to us one day and
we'll have to go out there and do exactly the same thing. What do
you think about There are some theories that say doctor Michael Masters thinks that UFOs
could be time travelers. Would that somehow fit in the realm of things with
your thoughts? Well, I don't know about that, And all I know
is is that to see is the type ones and are basically intercepting accentable groups
and interests on a regular basis. Okay, I know the aliens have time
travel. It's part It's possible that some of the aliens that we see our
time travelers, but I don't think most of them are myself. Yeah.
Well, another another thought comes up a lot, and that is that whatever
it is that everybody is seeing there could be could be multiple theory, So
multiple things happening, not just one particular thing. So what what's your thoughts
on that? Patrick? In general? Well, from a ninety point of
view, from a logic point of view, I ain't seen the same patterns
occur and again and again all around the world. The same seas set up
the same way, and they all point in the same direction, and they
all and even over skim Walker as well. In fact, there's images of
them being deployed from skim Walker and then in the distance you see a smoke
trail of one when how they've intercepted them and brought them down. I had
what I'd consider a very strange like poltergeist situation happened, and I saw it
all firsthand. Now I didn't see anything right in front of my eyes,
but what I did was, you know, I walked out into a hallway
and a bedroom door closet door slam shot with all the windows down, and
the carpet was you had to drag the door across the carpet. Um,
so it was. It wasn't a door that would shut for any reason at
all. You have to really force it to close. And then a broom
stood up. Um, I didn't see it happened, but the front door
slammed in a broom that I had slid down the stairway earlier stood up against
it, and things like that were all happening. That was not the basement
that was down in the front entryway, But I had three different things happened.
In a basket um adhered itself to a floor cement floor and broken half
when I picked went to pick it up, and it was freely sitting there.
So how these weird things happening? Um, So I guess I'm going
to ask you how how would that work? Network? Which means it can
move around to his knees, so in some cases, well generally he stays
to the same areas, but it can also move around. So if it
needs to be in an area which is uncovered, temporarily going into that into
that building, and then when it's in that building, it will do it
will start emission, It'll start causing emissions, and then it will start causing
diversions to hold you in place or put you in a certain area while that's
occurring. And in your case, it's probably operating in the attic, so
it kept you, it kept you busy downstairs while it was broadcasting. So
it's kind of like you think, like it's keeping me away from an area
or something like that. Is that it's an alignment with the inverse square law
of radiation. So basically the sphere itself is emitting radiation, so it's keeping
you at a distance, which is keeping you safe. So you actually think
there was a sphere somewhere in that in that property. That's right. Yeah,
I never I never saw anything like that, and but I do know
one thing is that it really did happen and scared the heck out of me.
You haven't reseeing the gym as well. There's a video on Twitter or
of it happening in a gym where obviously the network had moved into a gym
and they actually dragged the guy out of the way. It dragged them away
through the wall and held them there for a few seconds while the broadcast was
occurring, and thence once the broadcast is done, then let them go.
Also, it's not unusual for you not to see anything when UFOs are around.
When they're seeing these, it's usually because they want to be seen.
They can cloak in several different ways. They can control your mind if you
just don't notice them. They can they can physically cloak, and they can
appear as different objects like aircraft if they want to. You see, digital
stealth isn't hard. It's really not hard. It's just a redirect to photons
and you can control fold photons, gravitational wave or if you can redirect gravity
around the shell, you redirect light so one could be literally in front of
you and you won't see it. Well, I have people think things like
you know, they'll they'll see it, it'll blink out and then then it
shows up in another place instantly, or it'll just blink out and it's gone,
you know, not like they start shoot off. They just say they
just saw it blink out. It's hard to say what's happening in America.
Could be teleparting, or it could be shooting off so fast that you just
can't see it with your eyes. But there are several explanations for that.
But also with to see is what people see is they'll be in a triangle
and then they'll disappear and then there'll be in a different area. Now what's
happening there? You see when it drops into like a stealth mode, it's
redirecting the gravitation will wave around it. As a result, it can't send
to receive signals. So what it does it once it's in this close state
is basically without it's invisible. They can't send to receive signals, so it
goes where it needs to go. Then hoax again. Yeah that makes sense.
Hm, well um, well this is all. This is all really
interesting and you know, but here's another thing. You know, you're talking
about spheres. You did show like a disk with sphere is around it.
But can we always think that whatever type of objects people talk about, these
grapeing huge triangles that people are seeing, they talk about all different types of
shapes that they're seeing, how would this thing fit in? Are you're just
assuming that there has to be these little spheres around them? What supos appears
to be the case. In fact, most of the images that I see
you, if you increase the contrast, you can see them, including in
all the innate US Navy images as well. Do we actually see them in
there? If you yeah, but and are you the only one they're seeing
these or other other people? Everyone who everyone who who looks can see them.
I've seen a UFO launch smaller spheres myself, so it's a pretty common
phenomenon, it'd Yeah. I mean I have seen videos that look really interest
where there's spheres dropping out of you know, like you'll see like a light
and then spheres dropping down and stuff like that. It is pretty interesting.
So I'm not sure if that's you know, where scientifically you seem like you
have like the scientific thought on this. But I mean, is there any
like paper for definitive measuring of these things or anything like that. What in
particular that these are around and their purpose for being there? You can tell
by the behavior pans you see in reverse engineering. You what you do is
your observed behavior pans and process and what you observe, and as explained in
my book, is explains that all the processes and behavior pans and the same
behavior pans occur around the world and the scene around the world almost every day.
Yeah, there's reasonablieve they do a lot of things putting gather information and
do the paranormal activity. Like Patrick's saying, But if the aliens are pretty
secretive. They're not gonna they're not gonna tell you what's going on. We
just have to infer what's going on from their behavior, as he says.
And you see, this is why you might notice that there's a huge mental
illness problem in the paranormal community because or in the who do ghost hunting anyway,
it's because they keep getting exposed to high energy emissions, which has a
neurological effects. All that, and the aliens are aliens are powerful telepaths,
and they can also messae your mind if they want to. I think that
the constant exposure city signals cause all sorts of mental problems m which is why
people go crazy who live in these one these houses. Huh yeah, yeah,
I actually had unfortunately had something come up during the show, and I'm
going to be this is going to be an hour show this evening. So
I would like for you to if you would give out your website of how
people can reach you and your book one more time, if you would.
Yeah, the book is cool, Quantum Paranormal, that twenty first century analysis
of the paranormal phenomena. It's free to read on Amazon Unlimited and it's actually
the only parallemal book in the world that gets a technical specialists and military indulsements
endorsements. Yes, yes, all right, well, thank you so much.
Patrick, Yeah, no worried, Thank you about all right, and
thank you also, Stephen, all right, thank you, all right,
yeah, good bye, all right everyone. So we'll be back next week.
Sorry I had to cut this short. Have an issue we're going to
take care of. Thank you so much. We'll be back next week with
Lee Spiegel and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.