1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,519 Hi everyone, This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of his 2 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:14,480 Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things as spooky but also sometimes very sad, 3 00:00:14,599 --> 00:00:18,359 tragic, infreerating two crime stories, and that's what we're doing today. 4 00:00:18,399 --> 00:00:21,480 Carman Great, Yeah, and we are going to have a listener story, 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,920 but it's going to be at the end of the episode before speaker recommendations. 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,440 As for the case, we're just going to dive into this week's case. 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,760 I don't know if you've heard about and I didn't know her name for the 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,119 longest time. I just heard about the case. But although like headlines are 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,560 articles that announced or talked about it all said the same thing. It was 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,000 like women takes down cartel by herself. Do you remember seeing that. Yeah, 11 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:45,359 that's who we're talking about today, that woman. Her name was Medium 12 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:51,000 Rodriguez. And again it's very sad. It happens in Mexico, and so 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,479 if you, you know, don't want to hear a very sad, tragic 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,439 case, then skip this episode. Medium Elizabeth Rodriguez Martinez was born on the 15 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:06,120 fifth of February nineteen sixty in San Fernando, Tamolipas in Mexico. And everyone 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,319 that knew her since childhood describes her in the same way that she was fierce. 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,840 She was a fierce, strong Mexican woman, and sant Fernando was her 18 00:01:14,879 --> 00:01:18,120 home. It always has been, but it wasn't the place that she knew 19 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:22,120 from her childhood. It changed a lot, especially, you know, starting 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,239 in the late nineteen nineties. And I don't know if you know where San 21 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,239 Fernando in Tamolipas is, but I'm sure you can imagine why it changed so 22 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:34,439 much because it became a very dangerous place. It's eighty five miles from Brownsville, 23 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,120 Texas, you know, along the US Mexico border. This made it 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,519 very easy for it to become stomping grounds for cartels because of the location. 25 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:46,920 It's along highways that lead directly to the US, it's in the desert, 26 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,239 it's very easy to make, you know, different smuggling roads for drugs. 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,280 So it was like an ideal location for cartels, and that's what happened. 28 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,200 By the time she was an adult, that's what it became. And she 29 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:04,400 was there in San Fernando raising her three children who were now adults as well, 30 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:07,639 Louise, Assalea and Karen, with her husband, who was also Louise. 31 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:14,479 There they had a cowboy apparel store called Cowboy No, sorry, where's 32 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:17,120 the name? I wrote it down Rodeo Boots. Wow, it's cool. 33 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,960 Yeah, And they've had this store for a very long time. They didn't 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,439 want to leave, but many were leaving because, like I said, it 35 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:29,080 was a very dangerous city by this time. It's the stamping grounds for losse 36 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,680 Ettas and Losenta's control San Fernando. They were formerly for you know, people 37 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:38,879 that don't know. Losseettas were formerly part of a bigger cartel, the Golf 38 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:43,840 cartel. They were the armed branch of the golf cartel and then like former 39 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,599 military Mexican military members branched off and became Losttas. So they were they're trained, 40 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:53,000 they're armed, and they're dangerous. Ever since they split from the golf 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,319 cartel, they've been feuding with you know, that cartel and numerous others. 42 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,800 Yes, thank you, and I mean again, very dangerous Losettas. They 43 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:06,840 need to finance their way of life. They're feuding with other cartels, so 44 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:12,080 they started kidnapping innocent people for ransom, stealing, extorting local businesses, all 45 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:16,639 typical cartel things, and many many, many in this area and all over 46 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:21,439 Mexico have been killed by the cartel. In twenty ten, a mass grave 47 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,439 of seventy two Central and South American migrants was found in San Fernando. When 48 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,560 sorry, twenty ten, and they were possibly killed because they refused to work 49 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,879 for Lossettas. That was like one working theory. The other one was that 50 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,800 Losettas believed they were going to be recruited by the opposing cartel and killed them 51 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:44,080 before that happened. But I mean that's still seventy two, Yeah, Central 52 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,240 American and South American migrants, Like one would be too much. With seventy 53 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,960 two, that's just like out of this world. It's horrendous. And then 54 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:55,560 in twenty eleven, the following year, another one hundred ninety three remains were 55 00:03:55,599 --> 00:04:00,759 found across seven different mass graves in San Fernando, all cartel related. How 56 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:04,319 many sorry, one hundred and ninety three remains across seven different mass graves. 57 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,520 Every time you see the numbers, like, I don't grasp it. It's 58 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:11,439 unbelievable. And then those are the mass graves. But it's not uncommon for 59 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:16,240 at least once a month for twenty people to be found in different areas to 60 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,439 this day and that's still the case. So yeah, many fled San Fernando 61 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,639 because of the increasing violence, but many stayed, including Mediam and her family 62 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,759 except her oldest son, Louis, moved to two hours away. But a 63 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,199 lot of people stayed because you know, this was their home. This is 64 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:35,920 all they knew, and they had I don't know, friving businesses like Medium 65 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:41,040 and her family, and then on top of the business, their own store. 66 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:46,839 Mediam also occasionally did some nanny work in Brownsville, Texas. She would 67 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,879 drive across the border to work there. Fu Sometimes she'd stay like a week 68 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,040 and then you know, go back home and then her youngest daughter, Karen, 69 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,160 and her husband will work at the store. And like I said earlier, 70 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,480 Louis, the oldest son, had moved two hours away to Suda, 71 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:05,120 Victoria, hoping to escape the violence. The Rodrigues Martinez family, they were 72 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,279 not rich, but they were okay, they were better than most in this 73 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:13,759 area because of you know, their business and the other work Medium was doing 74 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:16,680 as a nanny. So Acelea and Louis were gone from the home, and 75 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:20,199 Karen, who was twenty, she was still working there, finishing college and 76 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:25,759 working at the family store. And then on the evening of January twenty third, 77 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:29,959 twenty fourteen, Karen was leaving rodeo boots. She was in her in 78 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,920 the family truck trying to emerge into traffic when two trucks pulled up on each 79 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,040 side of her truck, forcing her to come to a stop. Then armed 80 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:45,040 men forced their way into the family truck and drove away with it with Karen 81 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,439 still inside, and they drove to the family home. No one else was 82 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,920 there because you know, Miriam was in Texas at her nanny job. We 83 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:56,879 don't know where the dad slash husband where he was. He was just gone 84 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,920 work at work or something, I don't know. So they bound and gag 85 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Karen and then left her laying on the floor, and then there was a 86 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:09,240 knock at the door and it was the uncle's mechanic. He had stopped by 87 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,600 to work on the family truck. So the kidnappers grabbed him tied him up, 88 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:15,720 but then they later let him go for reasons unknown to this day. 89 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,920 We don't know why. He was just they didn't need him, I guess. 90 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:25,600 Then Ascelea called Medium and immediately Medium thought something was wrong because you know, 91 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Alia was crying and she told her the cartel has Karen. We received 92 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,920 the ransom call. So Medium left the nanny job right away to head home. 93 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,519 And one of the hard parts is she had to ride the bus. 94 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:41,680 God, she has like this urgent, urgent, urgent crisis going on, 95 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,000 and she has to wait for the bus, wait for the bus, like 96 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:47,319 be on someone else's time. Yeah, and then on top of that, 97 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,600 it was a two hour bus ride, which is that is just I can't 98 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,439 imagine having to sit there knowing this is happening and there's nothing you can do 99 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,839 because you're just you can't do anything. Yeah, yeah, you're trying to 100 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,040 get there. As soon as Medium arrived in San Fernando, Ascela picked her 101 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,839 up and they got another call to Medium's phone and it was the kidnappers again 102 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,680 with Karen this time, and you know, it was the typical ransom call 103 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:15,480 where they forced Karen to give the message of like drop the money off here, 104 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,160 and then they just hang up. They don't give they didn't give the 105 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,439 family a chance to talk to her or anything other than Karen giving them the 106 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,279 message. And the family they talked, they were like, well, this 107 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,600 is this is the cartel, this is a business transaction. They don't want 108 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,720 Karen, they want money. So if we give them the money, obviously, 109 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,160 well we see Karen in return, and that makes sense, like to 110 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,519 think that. Yeah, Plus she wasn't the first kidnapping at all. This 111 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 was such a common thing. Yeah, like people knew how these things went. 112 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,839 Yeah, it wasn't a matter of if, but a matter of when 113 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:50,399 for a lot of people. And so they gathered just under ten thousand dollars 114 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,639 with their own savings. Then they went out to get a loan at the 115 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,399 bank. And it was so bad that banks now had loans to give families 116 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,040 for rants. God, that's terrible. Yeah, I can't even fathom being 117 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:09,639 the lone person and be like, our loans for ransoms actually have lower interest 118 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,480 rates. Like what the fuck? Right, that's terrible, it really is. 119 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,839 It's crazy. It's terrible. But they gathered, they gathered all this 120 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,879 money. They followed the kidnappers instructions to the tea. They dropped the money 121 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,399 off at the health clinic like they were instructed, and they waited at the 122 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,639 local cemetery. This is where the canappers were supposed to give back Karen. 123 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,279 And they waited hours. The cannamppers never showed, so two days later, 124 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,960 Medium asked for a meeting with the members of the local cartel, and to 125 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,320 her surprise, they agreed. So she met with the tall, skinny, 126 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:45,600 light skinned man with curly hair. They met at a restaurant called a Junior, 127 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,200 and he told Medium that Lossettes did not have Karen, but he could 128 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,840 help find her for two thousand dollars. But then he was contradicting himself and 129 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:54,639 everything he was telling Medium because he was like, well, I'll find her 130 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,320 for two thousand dollars. Also, Karen has been such an ideal captive person. 131 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,360 She's been so easy to deal with. Okay, so you can't tell 132 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,120 someone, hey, I don't have your daughter, but also your daughter is 133 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,879 a good kidnapping victim. Yeah. Wow. Also, these kind of situations 134 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:13,759 are so difficult because yeah, like anyone could be like hey, I can 135 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:16,399 and you hear about it all the time. Like I remember this other I 136 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:22,879 don't remember the case or the names of anybody, because I'm horrible with memory, 137 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,759 but I remember that it was this girl. I say girl, but 138 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:30,320 she was probably like early twenties. She went missing from a boat or something 139 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:33,279 like that. Her family didn't know what happened to her. And then during 140 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,399 their search, they hired a private detector and gave him so much money, 141 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,320 but he had been making up everything he was doing. He wasn't helping them 142 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,240 at all. Oh my god. Yeah, and they just gave over all 143 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:46,799 this money. And so like, I think about that guy you just said, 144 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:50,799 saying like, oh, I can help you find her for two thousand 145 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,799 dollars, and it's like, it's it's so horrible and a putunistic and so 146 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:58,840 easily to be taken advantage in that state of desperation one hundred percent, and 147 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:03,120 it wasn't adding up. But Mediam she didn't do anything, obviously, anything 148 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:07,559 to get Karen back. So she gave him the two thousand dollars. And 149 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,399 during the meeting, the man had a walkie talking on his belt and there 150 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,000 was conversations going coming in and out that he wasn't responding to. But she 151 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,639 overheard the same thing again and again, Sama, and she was like, 152 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,879 that must be his name or a nickname that'll come back. So then over 153 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:28,399 the next weeks, Sama, he stopped answering the phone. He so obviously 154 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,960 this was what you said, him being a pristina sick the Krktel probably didn't 155 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,159 even know he did this. He just was like, oh, this is 156 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,080 an easy way to make two thousand dollars. And then other others appeared, 157 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,399 claiming to be Karen's kidnappers, and they it was always the same thing. 158 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,320 They asked for more money. The family continued to pay, hoping to find 159 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,919 Karen's because they don't know who it is either. Yeah, this is terrible, 160 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,440 it really is. And after every payment there were more calls demanding more 161 00:10:54,519 --> 00:11:00,960 money. And after each payment that failed to return Karen, they they began 162 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:05,120 to lose hope naturally. And I mean when things like this happen, like, 163 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,679 no one knows how they're going to react, what's going to happen, 164 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,120 But sometimes families lose hope, they start to fall apart. Yeah, So 165 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,600 by this time, Medium had separated from her husband. She had fallen into 166 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:22,279 despair. They both had fallen into their own despair. He was not doing 167 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,320 anything either. He was I mean depressed, and so was she. I 168 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,240 mean it's very common for that to happen, like too, families, even 169 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,919 when someone dies, like a child of theirs dies, Yeah, they don't 170 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:39,039 make it. By this time, Mediam was living with Asselea, the oldest 171 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,799 daughter, and she was neglecting pretty much everything. Then one day, suddenly, 172 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,080 weeks after the first payment was made, Medium got out of bed, 173 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,279 she showered, she fixed her hair, and then she just turned to Asselia 174 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,000 in like a super matter of fact tone. She told her Karen's not coming 175 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:01,679 back. Karen's dead, and Assela was what's happening? She was confused. 176 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,360 Then Medium told Asselia she would not rest until she found the people that took 177 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,399 Karen, and she vowed to hunt them down one by one until her own 178 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:16,279 death. This is when Assela understood the mother that she once knew was gone, 179 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:22,000 completely gone. Any hope that Medium maybe had felt or still had it 180 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:26,039 was not there anymore. It was now replaced with the desire to avenge her 181 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:33,440 daughter. And so, instead of continuing in the loss and despair like her 182 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,720 husband a medium, Medium started to make a list of like people she knew 183 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,440 that were in the cartel, people that she had seen, or because you 184 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,480 know, you're in these towns and you know names, like all that house 185 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,639 in that corner, Yeah, the house in the corner belongs to so and 186 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,960 so, and he's a member of the cartel. Whatever, yeah, exactly, 187 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:52,480 So she started to make a list of the things that she knew, 188 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:58,720 and then thanks to the mechanic that was let go during Karen's kidnapping, he 189 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,120 was the one that confirmed some was there. Oh, Media met with him 190 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:07,759 and got the details. Then Mediam cut her hair super short, died it 191 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,720 a bright red and hopes that when she found Sama, he would not recognize 192 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,159 her as Karen's mother, the woman he met at that restaurant. So then 193 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Medium spent hours looking through Karen's Facebook profile looking for clues, just clicking on 194 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,480 tag picture of their tag picture, just slothing, looking for anything that would 195 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,440 help her. After days of the search, and she finally found something. 196 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,679 It was a picture taged with the name Sama, and it was him. 197 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:35,240 She recognized him from her meeting at the restaurant, so she knew him. 198 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,799 Yeah, she recognized him in the picture and he was with a young woman 199 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,519 who was wearing a uniform, wearing a uniform of an ice cream shop in 200 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,200 Suda, Victoria, where her son lived. She knew the uniform because she'd 201 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,840 been there before, so then she was She went to sud Victoria and she 202 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,720 stocked the store for weeks until she memorized the young woman's schedule, and she 203 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:01,120 waited outside of each shift, waiting to see when Sam would show up because 204 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:05,600 she knew he would. And when he finally did, she followed Sama and 205 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,600 the ice cream worker. Yeah. Yeah, she was doing like legit detective 206 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:13,759 work. Yeah. When he finally showed, she followed them to her house 207 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,240 and she marked on the address. But she knew she needed more information than 208 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,399 just an address. She needed like names, more information on him, anything, 209 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,799 right, Yeah, So then she found one of her old government uniforms 210 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,840 from years ago when she worked at a health clinic, a government health clinic. 211 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:35,840 She put the uniform on, she used an old ID that still looked 212 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:41,159 like legit, and she spent the day conducting a fake poll in the neighborhood, 213 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,360 going door to door getting information on everyone, including Samma, oh my 214 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,200 god, how does she think of this? Wow? Yeah, the determination 215 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:54,279 and yeah, she got the basic information. With this information, she went 216 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,039 to authorities local, state, federal. She tried them all, but no 217 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,039 one was willing to help. I mean, it was a cartel case, 218 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,360 like nobody wanted that. Yeah. Not to mention the people that were working 219 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,000 with the cartel, because we know that's a thing too, So nobody wanted 220 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,480 to help her until one police officer, one federal police officer, did. 221 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:18,080 He remains anonymous in all of the articles. He never says his name, 222 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,639 but he did see the following about her. When she pulled her files onto 223 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,399 the table. I had never seen anything like it. The details and information 224 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,360 gathered by this woman working alone were incredible. She had gone to every single 225 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,480 level of government and they had slammed the door in her face to help her 226 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:35,799 hunt down the people who took her daughter. It was the greatest privilege of 227 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,399 my career. Oh that gave me chills. Oh my god, I know, 228 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:43,440 and you know what, I would have remained anonymous too, follows him, 229 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:46,080 So, oh, one hundred percent. The files, he mentions, 230 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,000 though, she had like you know those folders to have you open them, 231 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,720 and they like an accordion file I think is what they're called. Yeah, 232 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,559 she had one of those, and that's where she put everything that she was 233 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:03,879 learning into. So it was like a legit big case of files that she 234 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,399 carried everywhere with her. So with this information, there was finally enough for 235 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:11,960 an arrest warrant, but it took a while. So when the arrest warrant 236 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,240 was finally issued. Sama was nowhere to be seen. I knew it, 237 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,320 yeah, and this frustrated Medium, of course, but she continued her work 238 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,679 to gather more intel on everyone. Eventually, though, Sama did turn up 239 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:30,480 two hours away in sud Victoria. And it was September fifteenth, twenty fourteen, 240 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:34,759 the day before Mexican Independence Day. And still on that day, there's 241 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:40,919 festivities leading up to Elidito. Right, yeah, so places are still closed, 242 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,080 there's still you know, things going on. And Louis, who had 243 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,000 his own shop in Suda, Victoria, he was getting ready to close his 244 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:52,279 own shop to celebrate when one last customer walked into his store. It was 245 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,159 Samma. I fucking knew it. Oh my god, I know, I 246 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,440 know. Leave him alone. Well, no, Sama didn't know who he 247 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:02,879 was. He just walked in. Oh I'm sorry, okay. I thought 248 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:04,960 he was gonna go kill him or something. No, no, he just 249 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,240 walked in to buy some things. Didn't we police call some Okay, never 250 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,759 mind, No, you're fine. Louis recognized him from his mom's files, 251 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:18,359 so he immediately called Medium and then he followed Sama. Oh wow, and 252 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,240 like did not lose trial of him until the police arrived to arrest him, 253 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,160 and of course when the police arrested Sama, he faked out. He was 254 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,359 like, I have a heart condition and he was like crying and screaming like 255 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:33,039 he couldn't be arrested. Basically been a little bitch. I have no words. 256 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:37,400 But he was arrested good, and then he folded. He started giving 257 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,200 names, wow, yeah, everything. He filled the details that Mediam was 258 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:48,519 missing in her files. So arresting Sama led police to then arrest Christian Jossa 259 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Gonzalez, who had just turned eighteen and was pretty young to be part of 260 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,200 the cartel. That's young. Yeah yeah. And so when he was picked 261 00:17:56,279 --> 00:18:00,720 up and being interrogated, Medium sat outside of his interrogation room and he could 262 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:06,960 hear Christian repeatedly asking for his own mom and repeatedly saying he was hungry. 263 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:11,400 And Medium entered the room, gave Christian her own lunch, and then went 264 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,000 and bought him a coke. Oh my god. Yeah, and the police 265 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:17,880 were like, what are you doing? Let him suffer, like, yeah, 266 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,440 you know, he did this, and then Medium told them like, 267 00:18:21,519 --> 00:18:23,559 I'm still the mother and that is a child, no matter what he did, 268 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,720 because she's an amazing person. She's gonna make me cry. You're gonna 269 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:33,920 cry. I cried. And after she did this, he started talking and 270 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,240 it's I mean maybe because of the kindness she showed him. Yes, yeah, 271 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:41,759 so yeah, he said everything. And he then said he could take 272 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:45,359 them to the ranch where all the kidnapped were held, killed and buried. 273 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,000 It was going to be like us, like this whole big operation a raid 274 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,319 and Mexican marines and police work together during the raid, and they let Medium 275 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,480 participate and she put on a marine uniform. Oh my god, I mean 276 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:03,079 she she did all of frontwork for them, so they better let her write. 277 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:06,480 And when they arrived at the ranch, it was like a scene out 278 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:08,720 of a horror movie. There was a noose hanging from a tree. There 279 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:14,359 was debris everywhere. Turns out there had been a firefight between other cartels there 280 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,240 ten like ten days before this raid, and then they also went through a 281 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,039 brief firefight. Oh wow, there was some cartel members that were killed. 282 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:25,559 I think two female members were killed. No, sorry, they were found 283 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:27,079 and the marines killed them on the spot. That's what happened, which they're 284 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,720 not supposed to do, but they did because they're also kind of corrupt. 285 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,880 Yeah. Yeah, And they found some people that were kidnapped and being held 286 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,359 there. Sadly, Karen was not among them, and so the raid was 287 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,359 semi successful. I mean, they saved some people, they found some remains. 288 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:45,799 But Medium, of course she wasn't happy because Karen wasn't there. Yeah, 289 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,839 And as she was looking around the ranch, she found a stack of 290 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,720 personal belongings and among them there was a scarf that belonged to Karen and the 291 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:59,279 sea cushion Karen used when she drove the family truck. So Karen had been 292 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:03,680 there. Wow. After they analyzed and you know, identified the remains, 293 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,960 they said Karen wasn't there, so she had to be somewhere else. Miriam 294 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,039 had to keep looking. Right as they were leaving the ranch, Medium passed 295 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:17,039 by a barbecue restaurant that's kind of at the entrance of the dirt road that 296 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,680 leads to the ranch, okay, and she remembers this restaurant. She had 297 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:29,440 been there two days after Karen's kidnapping with Acela and sitting outside of the restaurant 298 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:34,000 at a table, there was a girl that Medium knew, Elvia Ulissa Bettencourt, 299 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:40,000 and Elvia was sitting by herself sipping a coke. Mediam approached her and 300 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,079 asked like, oh, have you heard about Karen. Everyone had by then, 301 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:48,559 the whole city of San Fernando knew about Karen, and Elvia was like, 302 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:52,880 no, I haven't heard what happened, So that's weird. It's suspicious, 303 00:20:53,279 --> 00:20:56,960 right yeah, And that's what Medium thought too, and it felt like 304 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,359 a stab in the bag because Medium had known Elvia her entire life. Elvia 305 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,559 had been abandoned by her own mother, and Mediam frequently helped her out, 306 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:11,799 gave her Karen's old clothes, she looked out for her, and Elvia answering 307 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:18,319 this was so suspicious because everyone knew what was happening. So Mediam left and 308 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,799 when she got home, she returned to her research, and she discovered that 309 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:29,319 Elvia was romantically involved with one of the suspected kidnappers of Karen, who happened 310 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,640 to be in prison for a completely different reason. So Mediam went to that 311 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,759 prison, and just like she had at the ice cream shop, she waited 312 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:41,000 there every day for hours because she was like, Elvia is gonna visit this 313 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:44,559 guy there together, like I know it. She did this for weeks. 314 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:48,839 By this time, she had also found out that one of the ransom calls 315 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,480 for Karen came from Elvia's house. Wow, Mediam's suspicions were right. Elvia 316 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,920 finally showed up to visit her imprisoned boyfriend, and when she did, Mediam 317 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,559 was ready to have her arrested. Media. I'm just getting it done, 318 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:07,200 she is. So this was three cartel members involved in the knapping of Karen 319 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,599 arrested. She crossed three names out of her list, but as she continued 320 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,279 to investigate, her list grew and changed, because you know, she was 321 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,000 researching. Yeah, and then during all of her research, she also began 322 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:26,079 to work with other families of the disappeared. They began going to her because 323 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,119 they saw what she was doing and what she was capable of too. Yeah, 324 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,160 exactly. And it kind of reminds me of Maricella Escobelo Ortis as well, 325 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:41,200 because when she started walking every single day to the judges offices protesting, 326 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,759 and slowly she was joined by more and more people, like other family members 327 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:49,440 would disappeared daughters, sisters, mothers, They started going to her too, 328 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:56,119 And that's what happened here too. She began headn organization and this organization would 329 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,480 grow to have six hundred families in it. Wow. Which is way too 330 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:03,519 much. Yeah, so you know she was doing this, She was doing 331 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:08,440 her research, and then her research yielded another name, Enrique Joel Rubio Flores, 332 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:12,839 and she learned that he had left the cartel and became a born again 333 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:18,960 Christian. So she found his hometown travel to it. It is three hours 334 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,160 away from San Fernando. It's Aldama, and so she drove over there and 335 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:27,640 she met Edriquae's grandmother at the local church, and Rique's grandmother told Mediam that 336 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:33,039 Adrika had always been trouble, but he finally found God. He was attending 337 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,279 church again. So medium knew, well, he's going to show up to 338 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,920 mass. She was right, so she started attending mass herself, waiting for 339 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,400 him to show up. When he finally showed up, she had him arrested 340 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,880 and Angiquae's family begged her not to do this, to have mercy. Media. 341 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,279 Yeah, exactly, that's what she says. She was like, No, 342 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,079 where was his compassion when he took my daughter. You can't just say 343 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,079 I'm a born again Christian and everything you did wrong is absolved. Not right. 344 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,759 No, So the only way to hold them accountable is the criminal justice 345 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,720 system, and that's what she's doing. She could have done worse. She 346 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,599 could have killed them, like she could have killed all these people, yes, 347 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,480 exactly, Yeah, and instead she's living it up to the justice system, 348 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:18,160 which is not always right, you know, exactly exactly, And so 349 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:22,279 yeah, she had him arrested and now at this point, she's two years 350 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,279 into her fight for justice for her daughter. God, two whole years. 351 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,279 Yeah. And it's the same thing that we said in the Maricella Escoblo or 352 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:36,640 this episode when we talked about women murdered in the military, about Benesatgui Yen's 353 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,680 mom and family members, there's no chance to even sit with your grief, 354 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:47,359 yeah, because they're over here fighting against whole ass governments, whole ass cartils. 355 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:51,440 There's no yeah, no chance to grief. And that's gonna take a 356 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:53,160 toll, Like, oh yeah, I can't, I can't even imagine. 357 00:24:53,279 --> 00:25:00,200 So, yeah, two years after Karen's disappearance, she's still researching, she's 358 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,319 continuing with her list, and the next person on her list was a former 359 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,359 florist turned cartel member. She had even bought flowers from him when he was 360 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,359 a florist, when he was before he joined the cartel, when he was 361 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,400 like just a struggling florist in the streets. He claims he had been forced 362 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:21,240 into the cartel and then he escaped. So when Mediam finally tracked him down, 363 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:26,119 he was selling sunglasses and CDs near the US Mexico border. He immediately 364 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,160 recognized Mediam when she was approaching him, so he ran. Medium ran after 365 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:34,599 him, tackled him down, held him at gunpoint wow, and yelled, 366 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,680 if you move, I'll shoot, and she contacted the police and she held 367 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,400 them there for an hour until the police arrived and arrested him. And you 368 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,680 know, sad, and it's true, things like that do happen. People 369 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,680 are forcing into the cartel. But again, he did something wrong and he 370 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:56,599 has to be held accountable, so exactly, and she's doing this, yeah, 371 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,519 because again she could have killed them, Yeah, no, for real, 372 00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:03,200 And so yeah, she continues with her lists. At this point, 373 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,039 she's three years into her fight for justice. Almost ten members or actually by 374 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:11,400 this point ten members that were involved with the kidnapping had been arrested by her, 375 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:17,119 basically. And then it was March twenty second, twenty seventeen, there 376 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,920 was a prison break in Suda, Victoria. Twenty nine prisoners had escaped by 377 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,000 digging a tunnel. Most were members of Los Tetas, and the ten she 378 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,160 had released or she had sorry imprisoned, also escaped, including one of the 379 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,039 actual killers of her daughter. Two sorry two of them including them. One 380 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:40,039 had been captured one of the killers, but one was still at large, 381 00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,920 and Medium had requested protection from the police. But even at this point, 382 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,680 she said she wasn't afraid to die, because she died the day they killed 383 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:52,000 Karen. Terrible, because I know that grief and especially when someone is taken 384 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,400 from you that way, it's not you know, natural death. It changes 385 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,480 people. But she, you know, she still has other even though they 386 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,599 are adults, other adult children, you know, and it's like like her 387 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,519 other daughter, said, the mom that she knew died or was gone whatever 388 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,119 her words or or something like that. Yeah, it wasn't the same woman 389 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,839 anymore. Yeah, no, you're right. So even after the prison break, 390 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,880 Mediam was not done. She even when asked like when is it enough, 391 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,640 she was like, mautas, there were still two bitches left on her 392 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,039 list, That's what she would tell people. And these were the two women 393 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,920 that she knew were involved. So she had finally found one of the two 394 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,200 women, La Guera, so that's what she was known by. She had 395 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,559 escaped or left the cartel life. She was now a nanny in Sudha, 396 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,680 Victoria, and Mediam found her sat outside of her house waiting, sitting there, 397 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,160 you know, listening to the radio and just waiting for her to come 398 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,640 out. Her car battery died while she was doing this, and Louis arrived 399 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,759 to jump her car, and then they watched the house together. And then 400 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,920 when don broke, Medium called the police. Laguera left her house and Medium 401 00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:03,400 ran after her, and she like like whata ran Medium chased and then she 402 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,720 pulled Lagua down to the ground by her hair and held her there until the 403 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,759 police arrived. She did, however, break her ankle in the process of 404 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,880 tackling Medium. And I mean she is not a young woman. She's in 405 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,720 her late fifties at this point, fifty seven by this time to be catching 406 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,599 up to people and tackling them and shit, yeah, so yeah, she 407 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,400 broke her ankle. By this point three years later, Medium had also been 408 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,559 to the ranch three times and had insisted for it to be checked for Karen's 409 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:37,200 remains again and again. And this is when finally they re searched among the 410 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,039 first set of remains that were found in that first raid, and they found 411 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,960 that one of those femurs had belonged to Karen. Wow. So now it 412 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:52,480 was like officially confirmed Karen was dead. And they kept searching on Medium's assistance, 413 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,160 and they found more bones, I guess more bones, and it wasn't 414 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,559 a complete skeleton. So Medium insisted they kept searching until they had all of 415 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,440 Karen, but they still held the funeral because they had most of her now, 416 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,559 so they held the funeral for her. God, that's terrible. It's 417 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,759 terrible, it really is. And then on May tenth, twenty seventeen, 418 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,119 so about a month after finding Laguera and breaking her ankle, Midame was still 419 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,759 in crutches. It was Mother's Day, May tenth, They had been celebrating 420 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,599 the day and it was ten twenty one pm. She was parking heading back 421 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,200 home. She was finally living with her husband again, they had reconciled. 422 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:34,079 She parked on the street got out of her car when a white Nissan truck 423 00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:40,319 pulled up next to her and fired thirteen times. Yeah. When he heard 424 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,200 the shots, her husband ran out of the house. He found her lane 425 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,319 on the ground. Her hand had been reaching for her pistol that she always 426 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:51,039 carried with her, and he called an ambulance and she sadly passed away in 427 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:52,759 the ambulance on the way to the hospital. It's terrible. I'm like, 428 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,920 how much loss can one family take? You know what I mean? Yeah, 429 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,880 And I I have chills because it's like it just reminds of Mariicella Escobelo 430 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,400 Ortis, who fought and fought and fought against such a corrupt, unjust system 431 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,839 and in the end she was also killed, likely by the same people that 432 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,839 killed her daughter. And she's not the only one, obviously, because now 433 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,400 we're talking about medium who ended up the same fate as Karen. Yeah, 434 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,640 and even the whole like Nuna mass movement that I think we've talked about this 435 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,559 maybe not, but it began in Afgentina, the whole color of purple, 436 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,480 and I want to say that it was again a mother who lost her daughter 437 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,119 in this manner. I think you're right, And then she is also killed 438 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,960 in the same way. So it's not like just Mexico, obviously, but 439 00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:41,319 it's still so I don't know, infuriating, I guess, yeah. I 440 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,640 mean, like femicide is alive and real out there. Yeah, that's why 441 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,960 International Women's Say is such a big deal. That's what it's really for, 442 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:53,160 Okay people, Well, not that it was working class women, but you 443 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:59,599 know, violence, rampant violence against women internationally is a part of it. 444 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,759 Against that and awareness of that. So that's why it pisses me off when 445 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:11,200 people act like it's a Mother's Day type of day for women and it's like, 446 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,839 no, we're not celebrating women this day. I'm sorry to say, 447 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,400 it's not to celebrate women. Do not give your white flowers for National Women's 448 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,319 Day. Why don't you go and I don't know, do something to uplift 449 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,160 and fight against the oppression of women worldwide instead? Because what is given your 450 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:33,240 wife flowers? Do nothing? Yeah? Yeah, become a feminist instead? 451 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,640 Not that hard. Why don't you clean your house instead? Yeah? No, 452 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,680 okay, brent over and go on. So her death was a shock 453 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:47,400 to the community. There were protests and men injustice for her death. Even 454 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,799 the governor of Tamaulipas himself went on the record saying like, we're gonna find 455 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,359 her killers, and two men involved in her murder were arrested two months after 456 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,880 her death, but they weren't. They may have been the ones who like 457 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,400 killed her, but they were not acting alone because these were two eighteen and 458 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,160 nineteen year olds. Oh yeah, the definitely were not. They were given 459 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,279 these orders by someone. There were one hundred percent more people involved, more 460 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:15,440 men involved in her death, and to this day they remained free. No 461 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,039 one else hasn't been investigated. And on top of that, those two, 462 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,440 the eighteen and nineteen year old received eight ten to fifteen year sentence. So 463 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,200 on top of that, her family, especially Louise, her son, who 464 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,480 has pretty much taken over her work. But it's afraid of course. I 465 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,480 mean, at this point his sister Karen now his mother explicitly targeted for her 466 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,359 search and fight for justice. Yeah, he even has said this is a 467 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,480 joke of a sentence like ten to fifteen years for the death of his mother. 468 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,240 And I mean the other people involved remain at large. But yeah, 469 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:53,640 he took over the group, the six hundred member group of other missing kidnapped 470 00:32:53,680 --> 00:33:00,160 people. But after her death, the group's activity diminished to the fear caused 471 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,079 by her death because obviously it's scary, and what message are they sending, 472 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,079 Like, you become too loud, you become too active, you say too 473 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,359 much, we're gonna kill you and we can and we can get away with 474 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,279 it, and so far they have so yeah, the group is still still 475 00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,559 there, but yeah, the activity has lessened. And in fact, it 476 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:25,720 wasn't until another boy was kidnapped in the same town, San Fernando, that 477 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:31,119 the group began to act again. That boy is Luciano, and the family 478 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,079 even knew when they all knew each other, and see when he was kidnapped, 479 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,240 what year, very recently, three years ago, Yeah, and it 480 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:44,519 was like such a such a similar case. Trucks pulled up next to his 481 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,200 took him. The family paid the ransoms just like they were instructed to, 482 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,559 and the cartel still killed him. And they were like, we're not gonna 483 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:58,559 do the same thing, same thing medium is did because like they were scared 484 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,119 because it was all still so fresh. Her own death was what four or 485 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,359 five years before his. Yeah, but they didn't stay quiet. They marched. 486 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,920 They recorded a message with Luciano's mom, like asking for him back. 487 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,679 They put her on speakers and they would drive around town. Oh my god, 488 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:22,000 playing it. It's so sad. They would play this out loud. 489 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:28,719 They interrupted like government meetings, protesting. They did a lot. But they 490 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,599 what they were like, we're not going to do is track them down, 491 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,639 and like what Medium did because they were like scared. And I think the 492 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,719 dad he was interviewed by the New York Times and he says like, we 493 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,039 can't all be like Medium, and I commend I don't know that's the very 494 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,199 word, commend her for her bravery. But I'm not that brave, Like 495 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,360 I'm I'm scared, and look what happened to her. Well even honestly, 496 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,920 even then, protesting in this way, even that could make them a target 497 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,800 because you know, it's and it's unfortunate. But and I could of course 498 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:04,280 doAnd what he's saying about and not everyone like you shouldn't have. Medium should 499 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,760 not have had to do what she did, and this family should also even 500 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,159 like ideally, you know, ideally nothing like this would happen, but and 501 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,840 it did. But like ideally the government would respond the way it's opposed to. 502 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,440 Law enforcement would investigate the way they're supposed to instead of being in bed 503 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,880 with the cartels. Yeah, exactly. And it wasn't until this happened with 504 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,559 Luciano that the group that Medium started really started picking up again with their attempts 505 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:37,599 to fight back protest. So, yeah, it's and and her funeral, 506 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,320 thousands attended her funeral. They all knew who she was. She was buried 507 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:51,599 next to Karen and the ough in a moment. Yeah, they have these 508 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,480 like I don't know if they's cedar trees, but it was this part of 509 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:59,119 the pantheon of the cemetery with like trees above it, and they're next to 510 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,760 each other. There are like three plots down from Luciano. Oh wow, 511 00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:07,599 it's terrible. And even in death, Medium managed to catch the last percent 512 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,760 on her list. Really, even after her death. Yeah, so one 513 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,039 month after her death, authorities in Vera Cruz found the final person on Medium's 514 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,280 list. They found the other puta Yeah, exactly, and they only found 515 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,440 her because of Medium's intel. That's why they knew where to look. So 516 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:29,880 she was a former member of loss ettas she had fled to Vera Cruz. 517 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,679 She was involved in beating and torturing Karen during her captivity. Then she fled 518 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,559 to Vera Cruz to raise her son. And yeah, Mediam did the work, 519 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:45,320 gave it to Vera Cruz officials and they found her with Medium's information good 520 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:50,400 two weeks before her own death. Medium had updated her WhatsApp status to say 521 00:36:52,519 --> 00:37:02,119 esperando and in Piena, despite so much pain, I continue to believe and 522 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:06,760 hope in God, and I don't plan to stop. She just died. 523 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,519 I have not been able to bury my daughter completely. And again they were 524 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:15,679 still missing parts of Karen. They did the funeral because they had most of 525 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,239 her, but not all of her. That's a big deal for a lot 526 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,480 of people. Well, isn't that belief, the Catholic belief if I'm remembering 527 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,920 right, that you had to be whole, your body has to be whole 528 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,519 to answer heaven or something like that. Yeah, I think so. And 529 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,159 it also has it's a like, I know it's a thing with Muslims too, 530 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,559 because I know that's such a big thing in Palistan right now, where 531 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,440 like, no, a lot of people are not complete, and it's such 532 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,400 another insult on top of that because now their beliefs are yeah, yeah, 533 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,400 I mean they can't you know, go to heaven. And yeah, they 534 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,199 kept searching for her or trying to search for her, demanding the authorities to 535 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:58,400 search for her. You can find a bronze statue of Medium in Laplasa, 536 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:14,159 Central of Sanfedna and there's a plaque that reads apprendage no trifolia Elo. I 537 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,559 learned that courage. It's not that absence of fear, but the triumph over 538 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:21,679 it. The brave man is not one who does not feel fear, but 539 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,920 the one who conquers fear. Although I feel like they should have put a 540 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,880 woman, not man, but I was gonna say, and the statue of 541 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,480 a woman, yeah, woman, But yeah, she is still loved by 542 00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:37,159 you know, so many and remembered and visited. That plaque of hers it's 543 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,679 that, yeah, it's there. And then yeah, it's just like we've 544 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,159 been saying this whole time, it's just a tragic, tragic case. Like 545 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,760 I've seen people covering it and they're like, oh, it's so inspiring, 546 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,519 but to me, it's just so sad and unfair. And obviously this is 547 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,920 a strong, strong, fierce woman who had to do this, but it's 548 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,960 like she shouldn't have had to do this. Yeah, it makes me think 549 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,679 of there's I think I've talked about this before too, but there's a clip 550 00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,920 and I don't know her name because I can't remember it right now, but 551 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,039 there's a clip that goes viral almost every like international Woman's day of a woman, 552 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:13,880 and it was when the march in Sudad, Mexico got like violent and 553 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:19,159 women like broke and burned down like buildings, which honestly I'm here for I'm 554 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,599 here for it. But there's one woman who says, who cares? Who 555 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:23,800 cares? If I burn down the world? Like you? She was my 556 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,039 world and you took her and you're not doing anything about it. And obviously 557 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,960 it's on Spanish and she's like a mom whose daughter was killed and she's saying 558 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,119 this, and all these stories just make me think of her, or also 559 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,639 of Veneseki Yen's mom being you know, outside for a hood by herself. 560 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:47,079 With the Signina Maya who we've talked about, Yes, yeah, all these 561 00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:52,679 women, just all the women we've talked about, Yeah yeah, fighting not 562 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,039 a chance to grieve, Yeah, and honestly, like going up against the 563 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,760 world for their children. It's just sad, it is it is, And 564 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,639 yeah, definitely the main takeaway also for me, like you, is not 565 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,480 how inspiring it is, and of course it is. That's not to diminish 566 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,159 that, but it shouldn't have to be, like you said, inspiring, 567 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:15,639 like these women, these mothers, these families should have been allowed the time 568 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,480 to grief and to process and to heal, and instead they had to fight 569 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,800 and fight and fight and fight, and then they were killed for it. 570 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,800 Yeah. And then after all that, they were killed many times by the 571 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,679 same people that killed their own daughters. Sorry, my voice is done, 572 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,280 but yeah, that was the case of Medium Rodriguez. And I'll put pictures 573 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,760 up here so everyone can see her bright, fiery hair that matches her fiery 574 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,159 spirit. Yeah. Eugh, but yeah, I guess I wasn't gonna do 575 00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:44,800 a listener story, but I was like, you know what, I guess 576 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:55,360 we should have like something to undepress me specifically. So now we're gonna move 577 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,599 on to our listener story. And if you have a story that you want 578 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,239 us to read, you can email at Pookito gmail dot com. You can 579 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,440 dm us on any of ourse socials. You can assimit it on Discord. 580 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:10,000 We have a channel that says submit your scary story. You can also call 581 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,679 the a Spooky hotline. That number is in the show notes, or you 582 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,880 can record a voice Mella and email it all those other options. Carmen's gonna 583 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,480 read it because my voice is done. I've been sick, I've been I'm 584 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,079 a little better, but but my voice is done. Yes, so yeah, 585 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,960 all right. So here goes to the listener's story. Heichi, guys, 586 00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,119 big fan of y'all. I really have loved the podcast I listen to 587 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,639 Spotify. I have two stories to tell you. I don't know if you 588 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,119 find it as spooky or not, but I thought they did to me. 589 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,519 To start on the first story or event, it happened to my aunt who 590 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,480 lives in Guano, Nonrancho. This happened a long time ago. One night 591 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,920 she was coming back from work, and she would walk every day from work 592 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:53,360 to the house, and one specific night, she was walking near this baseball 593 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,320 field and she said that she saw this figure of a man leaning against a 594 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,039 tree, and she passed beside him and told him buena nochez, good night. 595 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,800 And she said that the moment he lived in his head, he had 596 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,880 red glowing eyes and she just walked faster home. Oh no, that's that 597 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,400 was Satanas. That was Satanas himself. Oh my god, that's so creepy. 598 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,920 Yeah, that's terrifying. I definitely would have ran home. I would 599 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,159 have thrown up. Yep. That's scary. Okay, So the next one, 600 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,719 my next story, happened to my sister, my cousin, my niece, 601 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,639 and my nephew. This happened back in twenty fifteen in the Rancho, 602 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,960 where I'm from in Juanato. I went to Mexico to celebrate my kinsenera. 603 00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:45,000 And one day when we were in practice and we had to cut it short 604 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:49,880 because it started to rain and didn't stop until dark. One of my damas 605 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,679 couldn't be picked up by her sister because it was muddy and the motorcycles could 606 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,400 slide it through the mud. So we decided to walk her home. Makes 607 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,800 sense, And then in parentheses parentheses, she says, my mom didn't know 608 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,239 we were going to walk all the way to our house, which was far 609 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,760 from where we were having their practice. We walked her and when we were 610 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,119 coming back, we walked through the baseball field. Oh no, not the 611 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,800 baseball field, the one not the ant okay, wow. And we were 612 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,679 holding umbrellas because it started to drizzle, and we started to feel like something 613 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,920 was flying or I don't know how to explain it, but something moved the 614 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,519 umbrellas from our hands, and then we started hearing something far like moving through 615 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:37,840 the bushes. I just remember we were so scared that we decided to not 616 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,480 look back, and I would have done the same m hm. And we 617 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:45,440 just ran because we just kept feeling something following us, and in our minds 618 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,039 we just kept saying, it's nothing and it was just some cows following us. 619 00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,280 But my cousin looked back, she saw nothing following us, and we 620 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,159 just ran home. Till this day, I just want to keep it in 621 00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,920 my head that it was a cow following us. It was the cows. 622 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,239 Sure, if that makes you feel better, it was a cow. I 623 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,920 would have told myself something like that too, like, oh it was put 624 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,559 on as bacas, like, don't worry, it was just it was just 625 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:14,280 the cow's moving behind. Oh my god, it's horrible that it was the 626 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,079 same baseball field because that immediately makes me think that no, sorry, it 627 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:22,079 was not the cows. It was actually it was set a nass. Seriously, 628 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,840 Yeah, that was creepy. Wow. Okay, well, thank you 629 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,920 so much for your story. That was for sure a spooky, very spooky. 630 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,079 Yeah. We I got scared for sure, Yeah me too. Wow. 631 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,440 Okay, well, Carmen, do you have any spooky recommendations? I 632 00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:43,840 actually don't, Okay, me neither, Like I said last episode. I've 633 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,840 been depressed. I haven't been doing anything. I did listen to the newest 634 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,719 episode of Mora's Madita, So I guess that's in a spooky recommendation that you've 635 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,599 already recommended. I had many times, many times, so it's fine. 636 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,039 One of my favorite episodes was still When and When it was on there with 637 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,440 them. Oh, that was a really good episode. But the one I 638 00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,000 just listened to at the end, it was hell funny. They told the 639 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:08,840 guests, They're like, well, hopefully more scary things keep happening to you 640 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,280 so you can come back and tell us about them. Yeah, they do 641 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,320 that a lot. It was like the first time I noticed that they said 642 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,679 that it was funny. Really Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not I 643 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,159 haven't even been listening to any of the podcast episodes, like nothing, except 644 00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:28,760 been watching Lucifer. I've been doing that. So I haven't even played Stardo 645 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,280 Valley. Wow, there's a new update that's coming out soon. I'm hoping 646 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,280 to be out of my funk by then so I can start a new game. 647 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,000 Yeah, hopefully you do that. Yeah it's sarcastic, but it wasn't. 648 00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:43,679 That's okay. I know your voice, so okay, cool, okay, 649 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,159 and then I guess one update. We're almost ready to record our book 650 00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:51,039 Club episode on Silver Nightrade. Oh for sure. I'm going to finish in 651 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,559 a few days my notes. Yes, hopefully MJ will join us for that. 652 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,000 She finished the book, she has thoughts Okay, she's written the thoughts 653 00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,280 down. Okay. I be her first episode back. Well, I'm looking 654 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,800 forward to that, me too, Me too, But yeah, she'll be 655 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,599 back soon. I think when she's back, it'll be the three of us, 656 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,519 because I really want to do video. I've been insisting on it, 657 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:14,760 and MJ doesn't want to do it, so but Carmen does. Carmen's fine 658 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,320 with it. She's contractually obligated to do it anyway. Yeah, it's part 659 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,320 of my contract. Yeah, it doesn't exist anyway. So I'm thinking that 660 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,920 what we're gonna do is have me and Karmen on video and like MJ, 661 00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:30,000 just like a still picture and we'll put like a little soundwave. So I 662 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,880 figured that would look better on video than just like me and a picture. 663 00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,280 Yeah, it'll probably once MG comes back, it'll be the three of us 664 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,199 hosting. So cool, very excited. I don't have an exact date from 665 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,920 official what was it? Official guest co hosts from unofficial official guest co hosts 666 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:50,719 to official co hosts. Wow, Wow, I'm moving up. Wow, 667 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,320 moving up in the world in the spooky world. Yeah, oh, I'm 668 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,360 so sorry. It's this is off topic. But when I said moving up 669 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,559 in the spooky world, that made me think of did you see that Olivia 670 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:07,920 Rodrigo was giving out condoms or B six plum It was either B six that's 671 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,639 the vitamin plan B. Yeah, it's the vitamin plunt B. That's what 672 00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:19,119 I was speaking of, not the vitamin in her concert. And then I 673 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,639 don't know what like Christian thing it was, but they called her the high 674 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:28,159 Priestess of Titanic Children to sacrifice some ship like that, and I just thought 675 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,880 that was hilarious. Should that be our new title? That's I'm sorry, 676 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,320 that's already reserved for Olviya. Let you go. Yeah, it's already hears 677 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,400 you're right, And then that made me think of, sorry, this is 678 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:42,159 more topic. Do you remember seeing this video of this guy? What is 679 00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:45,519 he doing? And I forgot what he's doing? And he's like, he 680 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:47,079 calls her a Mexican, but I haven't seen that, and he says the 681 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,559 wrong. I'm gonna have to find it because I'm explaining it really bad. 682 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,559 I know one thing about me. I'm gonna do some reviews. They got 683 00:47:53,559 --> 00:48:07,480 a strawberry, It's like reviewing a Crumble cookies. Olivia Rodriguez, the Mexican 684 00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:13,480 girl who'll be singing all them sad songs. Oh my god, that's good. 685 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:15,039 That's good. I'm glad I waited for that. You so, yeah, 686 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,880 that was a long, needless It's fine. I needed to hear it. 687 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,199 So no, I was gonna say, you're moving up in the Christina 688 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,880 Verse because that's what my all my podcasts are, Oh, in the Christina 689 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,360 Verse. Okay, yeah, our podcast together are part of the christina Verse 690 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:34,079 because it's shorter than trying to say Christina Carmen Verse. Yeah yeah, yeah. 691 00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:38,159 And now I'm the co host of a third podcast, the Christina Verse. 692 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,360 In the Christina Verse. Yeah yeah, that actually reminds me. Starting 693 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,559 starting May, there's going to be a new podcast in the Christina Verse. 694 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,519 Oh, starting in May. Yeah. I just released the trailer early so 695 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,119 that I would all be ready for in May, because the first episode is 696 00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:57,920 going to be about single to my own. Oh, it's called a little 697 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,639 bit, and like the title says, it's a little bit of it's gonna 698 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:07,239 be a ten minute episode daily podcast only weekdays, not weekends, where I 699 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,000 don't know, I just talk about things that are too short. Free story 700 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,679 as a known but yeah, like the real story behind Syincle actually that could 701 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:17,079 have been its own, like ten part series, but the real story behind 702 00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:22,480 Sinco and Mayo into like a ten minute episode. The history of La into 703 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:27,599 a ten minute episode. Why are not just called nachos? Okay, things 704 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,440 that I wonder uh my Google searches. Basically that's what it is. And 705 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:36,639 there's it's just me very short episode, no bad words, so kid friendly 706 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,840 you could say, but yeah, just either history, geography obviously Latin America, 707 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,760 well a little bit of what could say a little bit. Yeah, 708 00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:52,039 you can find the trailer up right now. But again it's not there's no 709 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,719 episodes until May. I just needed to do everything early because I'm gonna write 710 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,280 like all of a bunch of episodes and have them ready. No, that's 711 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,400 exciting. I am excited. Yeah, yeah, I am okay. So 712 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,000 yeah, that's it for updates. M J should be back soon. I 713 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,079 don't have an exact dates. People were asking, and I was like, 714 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:08,079 did I know. I'm pretty sure I said it, but I think it 715 00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:12,000 was a very brief like, oh, she's stepping away for a moment, 716 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,320 and I thought she was going to be back sooner. I do remember you 717 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,599 saying it. Yeah, but yeah, she stepped away for a moment with 718 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,280 family stuff. Then her computer broke and but she's ready. I don't have 719 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,440 an exact date, but again, she should be back very soon. That's 720 00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:32,519 it. Don't cross baseball fields at ranchol and if you do, don't look 721 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:37,960 back and just run. Look back in And it was the cows, for 722 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:42,320 sure, the cows and yestya. Spooky will catch everyone next time. Bye. 723 00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:49,760 Spooky Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ, produced and edited by Christina. 724 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,760 Everything is written and researched by Christina MJ and with the help of Don 725 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,840 Shout Out Don. Thank you so much for your help. If you love 726 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,320 what you hear, consider leving us a five star review. If you don't, 727 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,960 then do not leave us anything. Please. 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We have an adorable beanie that I love. 737 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,239 I absolutely adore it. It's so comfy, it's warm, it has 738 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,480 a spooky in Old English letters. There's also a baseball hat in the same 739 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,079 way as spooky and Old English letters, and that's what I wear in the 740 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,480 summers. They're both awesome hat. And there's other things in there, like 741 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:05,599 the no Mama's shirts, which is a very popular shirt. If you like 742 00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:09,079 history, check out my other podcast, Istodia's Unknown, hosted with the unofficial 743 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:13,840 official guest co host of a Spooky Tales, Carmen. And if you like 744 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,880 no velast, checkout Novelaskosito, which Carmen and I also host together. And 745 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,360 yeah, we love every single listen every single as spooky. Thank you so 746 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,400 much, Stay as spooky.