WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:11.800 Loop Hop Radio. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas. Open Minds 2 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:17.760 Radio is the UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO 3 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:25.879 phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello and welcome to Open Minds 4 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:33.039 Radio, your UFO news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have a 5 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:37.840 very special show for you today, not that every show isn't special and wonderful 6 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:42.039 and fabulous. I don't know how we do it, to be quite frank, 7 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:44.880 how we keep up the great quality of the show, but we do. 8 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.799 We find a way to do it amongst all of our other crazy work, 9 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.479 busy, busy all day long to get you guys the latest and the 10 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:57.600 best information on a daily basis. And today I am excited to say we 11 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:03.479 have Joseph mcmonagle. And what's too exciting about this He was the very first 12 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:07.040 remote viewer, so some of you are very familiar with remote viewing. And 13 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:14.040 this was essentially what had happened was the government had found out that the Russians, 14 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:18.319 and this was back in the seventies, were using psychics to figure information 15 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:22.239 out. So what they decided to do was to do this themselves. So 16 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:25.200 and see if they could figure it out. So they went and they found 17 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.560 the best psychic they could find, and that was a gentleman by the name 18 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:36.120 of Ingo Swan. Ingo then worked with the Stanford Research Institute and the Army 19 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:42.280 to develop what they called remote viewing, which is protocols for these guys to 20 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.200 be able to see things that of course are very far such as sub marines 21 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.599 and Russian and stuff like that. So they did develop this and then they 22 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:55.560 tested people. Mcmonacle'll talk about this, the testing that he went through to 23 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.799 become a remote viewer, and he became the very first and he did this 24 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.319 for for many years, and you'll talk about how accurate they were. And 25 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:07.599 one interesting note if you've read up on this, there's Jim Mars's books I 26 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.400 Spies. It's a good one talks about the history. But also Joseph mcmonagle 27 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:19.159 himself has written several books and he'll talk about that. But a lot of 28 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:25.719 the remote viewers, purposely or not purposely, had seen UFOs when they remote 29 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:30.840 viewed. So they remote viewed UFOs extraterrestrial stuff like that. Very interesting stuff, 30 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:36.080 and it's incredible. How just about I think everything I've read about remote 31 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.840 viewers, every single one of them, whether they were skeptic about the subject 32 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:44.759 before or not, remote viewed UFOs. So that's really cool. So we'll 33 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:49.280 talk to him about the information. He's going to be speaking at mofon in 34 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.639 July, and we're going to be there too. That's July twenty ninth through 35 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:58.240 the thirty first in Irvine, California. You can find out more MoveOn dot 36 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.120 com. But that's going to be a fun event, and Joe and some 37 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.319 of these other people are going to be speaking there, so that's going to 38 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.719 be some good stuff. And you can come meet us, come buy some 39 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.120 magazine, to talk to us about the magazine, hang out, give us 40 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.000 a high five, or tell me, hey man that story you wrote about 41 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:20.639 Xyz suck Man. Whatever you want to talk about, come talk to us. 42 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:24.479 What we're so busy doing on a regular basis, of course, is 43 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:30.000 getting you the UFO news, and on our website you can get the latest 44 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:36.800 and greatest on a regular all the time. So and there's always something going 45 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.800 on. And every week on the show, we bring on our news correspondent, 46 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.360 Jason McClellan to talk to us about some of that news. Jason, 47 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.840 let's talk some UFO news buddy. Thank you, Alejandro. This is your 48 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:54.240 Open Minds news brief for Monday, June sixth, two thousand and eleven. 49 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:01.199 On May twenty sixth, the ABC News news program called Nightline featured a confrontation 50 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.759 between Annie Jacobson, the author of the controversial book about Area fifty one that 51 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:11.840 is still making worldwide headlines, and ABC reporter Bill Weir. In her book, 52 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.000 Jacobson claims that an anonymous source told her that UFO parts recovered from the 53 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:19.759 nineteen forty seven Roswell crash were actually from an advanced German aircraft, and that 54 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:25.199 bodies recovered were actually children that had been mutilated by Joseph Mangele, the infamous 55 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:30.680 Nazi physician who had performed gruesome human experiments during World War Two. The anonymous 56 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.600 source further stated that Joseph Stalin had flown this craft over the US and with 57 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:39.199 mangled children in order to trick the Americans into thinking this was a spacecraft wn 58 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.199 by extraterrestrials, inciting a mass panic similar to the one caused by the airing 59 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.120 of the radio program The War of the Worlds. Jacob's arranged to have Weir 60 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.800 talk to this anonymous witness. However, Weir says the witness told him that 61 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:55.160 he did not make all the claims laid out in the book and described the 62 00:04:55.240 --> 00:05:00.399 gentlemen as in his late eighties. It seemed obviously confused and confro lickted, 63 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.199 Yeah, I don't. We're of course very used to this in the UFO 64 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:11.279 world, talking to witnesses who claimed some extraordinary things, but of course not 65 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.120 seeming to be completely with it themselves. I would imagine since she's been a 66 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.720 journalist for that's the thing for so long, she probably knows better, and 67 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:23.319 we're was kind of telling her that, you know, you know better, 68 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.879 this isn't journalism. So it looks like she might have been just adding that 69 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.439 whole kind of cherry on top just to sensationalize her book. And it works 70 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.879 because she's sure did get a lot of coverage. It certainly seems that way, 71 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:41.240 and it's really unfortunate. But yeah, the ABC did a really good 72 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:45.959 job of kind of calling her out Washington Post, I mean, really bashed 73 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.639 her on the fundamentals of the claim, how it doesn't make sense or you 74 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:54.399 know, if this was an extraordinary craft, you know, where is this 75 00:05:54.480 --> 00:06:01.439 technology now? And it's interesting because she even mentioned how the witness Annie Jacobson's 76 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.480 witness said, oh, yeah, well we have this stuff, we have 77 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:08.399 Harber's stuff and everything like that, which, of course he's saying was developed 78 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:14.240 from some of this. And so they really kind of took the whole argument 79 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:19.040 apart, regardless of now the credibility of the witness, which himself doesn't seem 80 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:25.240 like he accurately remembers things either, right, And you put that in an 81 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:29.439 article, And we also have the video on our website of that ABC interview, 82 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.759 So check that out at openminds dot tv. In other news, Oh 83 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:38.360 yeah, In other news, three fast moving lights in the sky above Oakland, 84 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.560 California, were captured on video on May twenty sixth, As The Daily 85 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.480 Mail reported, the video was uploaded to YouTube by the witness who also captured 86 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.480 similar lights in the sky in May and June of twenty ten. In the 87 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.759 May twenty sixth video, the lights move in a tight triangle formation through the 88 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:56.759 night sky at nine forty pm. The witness who recorded the night vision video 89 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.240 describes the lights as a UFO squadron. Based on video, it's difficult to 90 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.600 determine if the three lights are from one object. Or from three independent objects. 91 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.079 Some who have viewed the video have suggested the objects in the sky might 92 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.319 be a flock of birds, according to The Daily Mail, The witness has 93 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.279 responded, for all you bird lovers out there, you can call them geese 94 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.600 if you like, but I will only laugh at you. But we and 95 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:24.800 others have looked at different video. They're actually you can't go on our website 96 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.720 and see video of flocks of birds flying in the sky. And this is 97 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.639 kind of interesting, all hunra. I mean, birds at night through night 98 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.800 vision look very interesting in the sky, but they don't tend to keep this 99 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:43.759 tight triangle pattern that this particular video shows. Yeah, I mean we posted 100 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.920 one of the videos we posted are some birds in a triangular or enough formation 101 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:53.399 and they fly somewhat together. They're more of in a line. It's I 102 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:59.759 think, very very slight. I can't shut the door on this latest video 103 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:07.000 birds because I you know that it's a really tight formation and they're all moving 104 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.680 together, which I don't see how birds could do that. But because of 105 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.680 that other video being slightly similar, maybe not, I don't know, but 106 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.319 you brought up some good points that there are other lights in this video. 107 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:24.120 In addition to the tight triangle formation. Yeah, and these lights don't just 108 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:30.319 move together in a group. One was stationary and then started moving in a 109 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.120 direction. Oh yeah, those were the Ed Grimsly ones right right, right, 110 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.879 yeah, now, and right exactly when you look at these bird ones 111 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:43.200 Ed Grimsley's his were blown off by MSNBC as being birds by this Radford and 112 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.960 who works for Skeptical Inquirre and someone else from Skeptical Inquire. But right one 113 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.799 sitting there perfectly still, then it takes off, one is going in the 114 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.559 direction, slows down and turns completely around. I mean, it's here again, 115 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.000 doesn't look like birds. And then the older one, the one from 116 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:07.000 Fresno in or Fremont in two thousand and eight, that is five lights in 117 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.320 a perfect formation. Definitely not birds. So I mean, these could be 118 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.960 some kind of secret aircraft or something like that, but they're much much more 119 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:22.799 interesting and intriguing than especially the skeptic for MSNBC keeps putting on. If you 120 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:28.360 haven't done it, I highly recommend either getting or borrowing night vision equipment and 121 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.159 checking out the sky at night. There's some cool stuff going on up in 122 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.759 the sky. You see a lot of weird stuff I've seen a lot. 123 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.840 You see so many satellites, and you know, with some of them, 124 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.679 it's hard to follow these things, so you have to get experience. I've 125 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.960 seen things zooming around really fast. I haven't seen anything do like a right 126 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.279 angle or or a turn or anything like that. But that's typically because I 127 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.240 lose them fairly quickly because I don't have one myself, so it's usually barring 128 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.440 one I need to well. I mentioned before, I actually have gone out 129 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:00.480 with Ed Grimsley on one of his night watches and have seen these things that 130 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.879 do the right angles and the going in one direction, stop and then go 131 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.840 another direction. I have no idea what it is, but it's it's amazing 132 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:13.120 to watch, so it's incredible. I think this is where our breakthrough can 133 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:18.080 come if people get out there with their night vision and take enough video like 134 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.360 Grimsely and like these other two gentlemen, and you get that in front of 135 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.039 the experts. I mean, I think they'd be more hard pressed to come 136 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.080 up with answers. I think people tend to be a little little too not 137 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.120 lazy, but you know, rely on what other people have told us. 138 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:39.519 We mentioned this with NASA, how every week NASA seems to figure something new 139 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.039 out that they that we always thought they knew what was going on, but 140 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.480 they have no idea of their own. Oh they are all these giant planets 141 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.399 zooming around with no orbit. Well, yeah, you know more. People 142 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.360 need to pick up their own telescopes, their own night vision equipment and look 143 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.759 at this guy for themselves, because there's all sorts of crazy things going on 144 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.720 that we have no idea about and nobody's telling us about. In other news, 145 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:07.320 Stephen Greer, founder of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, 146 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.120 has been charged in connection with allegedly operating a commercial venture on a national wildlife 147 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:16.120 refuge, according to the Outer Bank Sentinel, and is scheduled to appear before 148 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.240 the US District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina next month. Greer 149 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.080 has been leading ambassador training courses for nearly a decade, which a week long 150 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.440 intensive course is designed to prepare individuals for making peaceful contact with extraterrestrial civilizations. 151 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.600 These training courses have been held at a National Wildlife refuge in North Carolina for 152 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.919 the past four years, and because of this, Greer is being charged with 153 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.000 the operation of a commercial enterprise on a National Wildlife refuge, tresh passing on 154 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:48.399 a national wildlife refuge, and violation of daylight use only regulation, which prohibits 155 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.120 all night time activities on pe Island except fishing. No permit was obtained by 156 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:58.080 Greer or the organization to conduct business on the wildlife refuge, but, as 157 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.320 a spokesperson from the US Five and Wildlife Service told the Outer Bank Sentinel, 158 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:07.080 we don't allow and would not permit non wildlife dependent commercial recreation activities. Thus 159 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:11.480 would not likely issue a permit for a UFO program, commercial or otherwise. 160 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:20.600 Yeah, we got a response from c Set directly that we posted, and 161 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:26.159 I kind of feel bad for him because it sounds like they got bad information. 162 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.320 That they were told by someone who used to work for the park that 163 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:37.000 that person had secured the right permit and gotten the right permissions right, but 164 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.840 that person actually hadn't, and they trusted that person. So I feel bad 165 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.039 because they trusted this person. At the same time, they charged one thousand 166 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:48.240 dollars ahead for these things, so they probably should have checked with the park 167 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.080 themselves to clear this stuff. But it doesn't seem right that and I don't 168 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.799 think that that Fish and Wildlife person was accurate, and that they don't allow 169 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.559 people to do anything in the land that isn't wildlife related. Yeah, I 170 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.600 think you're right with that. But it is interesting that they seem to have 171 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:13.960 a daylight only regulation as well, and obviously skywatching would be at night. 172 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:20.120 Yeah, so if they forbid all night activities as well. Interesting how people 173 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.759 were able to get on the land anyway. Yeah, that's well, most 174 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:26.320 parks are like that where they have a sign up that says you can't be 175 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:30.559 here after dark. That's true, that's true. And I've done this, 176 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.240 I've organized these skywatches and usually you have to go and you have to get 177 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.480 permission, and some places won't let you and some places will. But yeah, 178 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.919 the quotes that they provided from the official theme like they were kind of 179 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:48.480 discriminating against the against UFO people because they said, really it doesn't matter, 180 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.440 we wouldn't give you a permit anyway. Yeah, that's not cool, not 181 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.320 cool at all. Well, I know you like movies a Lejandro, and 182 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:00.279 I know you're looking forward to this one. Super eighth is being hype up 183 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.360 through a variety of marketing efforts. A Super eight iPhone application was released last 184 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.360 month to let you create your own vintage movies with the Super eight camera emulator 185 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.080 and if that were cool enough, Paramount Pictures and the convenience store chain seven 186 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.519 to eleven have announced a super Right promotion that will be giving away a trip 187 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:22.440 to space. Seven eleven Chief marketing officer Rita Bergerhuff explained that the Superright promotion, 188 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:24.919 saying, not only will there be special prizes and a retro look from 189 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.200 the nineteen seventies at the stores in honor of the movie, this promotion will 190 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.840 rank as the largest ever for seven eleven, with an expected twenty one thousand 191 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:37.080 prizes distributed. Topping it off will be a suborbital spaceflight or grandest prize ever. 192 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.799 Even if you don't win the grand prize of a space flight, they 193 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.200 are still giving away ten zero gravity trips in cooperation with the company's space adventure. 194 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.480 Super eight hits theaters this Friday, and Alejandro, there you go. 195 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.840 Your dream is there? You can go to space? Yes, all I 196 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:00.919 have to do is drink slurpees. I need to go get my slurpey cup. 197 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.240 Anyways, I was really excited with the Simpsons movie when they did this. 198 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.360 I still have my Slurpy Simpsons cups. When yeah, made them quickie 199 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.080 marked. We had one of those in Denver seven to eleven that was a 200 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.840 quickie mark for a few weeks. Right, So yeah, pretty exciting. 201 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.679 And what if you go on this space strip, I would imagine it's the 202 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.919 Virgin Galactic one where because they're the most they're closest to being ready, where 203 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:24.720 you just kind of go up into space and come back. But that'd be 204 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.840 a lot of fun. The zero gravity one I'm not so sure about. 205 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:33.399 Yeah, you know, i'd take it. But more excited about the suborbital 206 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.000 flight. Yeah, totally, but I don't think they've announced a partner for 207 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.440 that. The only partner they announced for any of the space stuff was Space 208 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.559 Adventures, which is, you know, a space tourism company and they do 209 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.240 these these zero G flights right now. But I think they're one of the 210 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.360 companies that's working on, yeah, taking people into space. So yeah, 211 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.799 they're working on it. But some of these others, I think they're the 212 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.759 ones who are hooking up with the Russians, aren't they? Yes to do 213 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.320 the hundred and fifty million dollars one, right, that'd be cool. You 214 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.720 got to spend time on the space station, get blown up there by the 215 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.360 Russians. Yeah, but he had a lot of fun. Even cooler is 216 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.480 getting this free ride through seven to eleven. Yeah, yep, that's the 217 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:22.159 way to go. Paramount Pictures announced on Thursday that it acquired the rights to 218 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.120 make an animated adaptation of the Penny Arcade online comic strip The New Kid. 219 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.399 The Escapist explains that the plot of the New Kid comic strip is centered around 220 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.279 a boy and his father talking about how they are constantly forced to move from 221 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:38.159 planet to planet by his father's job, making the boy a constant new kid 222 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:42.600 at school. In addition to New Kid, Paramount is also distributing the upcoming 223 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:47.879 extraterrestrial related movies Super Aid and Transformers, Dark of the Moon, and is 224 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:52.000 also scheduled to distribute Paranormal Activity three, a Star Trek sequel, and a 225 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:57.639 movie about Area fifty one. So Paramount Pictures seems to be very into the 226 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:04.759 topic. But I guess this isn't a fantastically new theme concept for a movie. 227 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:10.160 But you know, and it's a it's again an each movie geared towards 228 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.240 children. It's about a boy who is the new kid in school. But 229 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:19.559 the school is a school filled with a classroom filled with extraterrestrials. So instead 230 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:23.160 of a lot of the movies geared towards children and everybody else that we watch 231 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:30.119 where a lone extraterrestrial comes to Earth, this has the Earthlink being the lone 232 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:37.480 human on a different planet. Mm hmm. So again, more more extraterrestrial 233 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.759 theme movies targeted towards children. Yeah, but that's been I mean there's all 234 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.400 kinds of I don't think it's a growing trend. Necessarily. There's tons of 235 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.039 cartoons for for a long time that have been around extraterrestrials. A good portion 236 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.279 of the cartoons out there, if you go watch and go see the cartoons 237 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:59.960 have aliens in them or an alien related. It's definitely a genre that's huge 238 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.559 when it comes to cartoons, right, Yes, and you and I have 239 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.440 had this conversation. We talked about Marvin the Martian and other things. So 240 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.799 you are right, it's been implanted in my brain since I was a wee. 241 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.680 Last Yeah, all right, well there was We have a cool photo 242 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.480 from from this past week. A man who recently was vacationing in the outskirts 243 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.480 of Kunming, China, accidentally photographed a UFO. He says he snapped two 244 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.839 photos of the scenery, and later, when he was reviewing the shots later 245 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.680 that night, he noticed three black dots hovering above the song Huaha Dam. 246 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.599 In the photos, he thought the largest dot looked like a butterfly, but 247 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:41.880 cunning UFO Research Society President Dang Yifang ruled out the that it was a butterfly. 248 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.200 He stated, it has a saucer of shape of a UFO. I 249 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.519 believe it is a UFO, but I can't confirm anything yet with just one 250 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:52.720 photograph. That's kind of a fun photo from last week. Yeah, it's 251 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.240 pretty background too, it is. It's a very nice photo. And he's 252 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.440 right, I mean, you look at it and it does sort of look 253 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.839 like a butterfly. One of those Yeah. Usually I say, you know, 254 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:10.200 especially if people don't see it, typically it's a bird or or something 255 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:12.000 or bug, because you know, you don't they zip by and you don't 256 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.799 think anything of it. That or something they created, right, Yeah, 257 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.559 that is one of the red flags. We've talked about that before when people 258 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.839 say, oh, I didn't notice it when I took the picture, but 259 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.799 I was reviewing it later and noticed this mysterious dot. But you never know, 260 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:29.599 I mean never know, I've done that myself, and a lot of 261 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.160 photos you go back and lock yarll, what is that yeah? Or more 262 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:37.559 often you take a picture of you and your friends and in the background there's 263 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:38.799 a weirdo with a weird face, and you're all, well, who's that 264 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.839 guy in my photo? That's in all the photos I take of you, 265 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:51.559 Alejandro, who's that guy? Well. In a continuing trend of government X 266 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.960 files, it's been a hot topic all these governments with their X files. 267 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:59.559 A lot of files have been released this year. Well, apparently not Australia. 268 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.759 There files have gone missing. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the 269 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.960 Australian Department of Defense has lost its X files. The Herald reportedly sought to 270 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:11.440 obtain files from the Department of Defense relating to UFOs via a Freedom of Information 271 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.799 request, but after two months of searching, the department was unable to locate 272 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:22.000 the files. The Herald reports that the department's FOY Assistant director informed them that 273 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.359 only one file could be located and the others had been destroyed. Another UFO 274 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.759 file showed up in the system, but again the FOI assistant director informed the 275 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:37.000 Herald that the files could not be located and Headquarters Air Command formally advised that 276 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.880 this file is deemed lost. Like in several other countries, defense officials in 277 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:48.519 Australia investigated and kept records of UFO sidings for decades. The Royal Australian Air 278 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:56.680 Force RAAF was charged with investigating UFOs or uas unusual aerial sightings reports. According 279 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:03.000 to Department memo Dysfunctions East in nineteen ninety six, after consideration of the scientific 280 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.839 records, suggesting that there was no compelling reason for the RAAF to continue to 281 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:14.039 devote resources to the recording and investigation of uas, Department of Defense heads decided 282 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:18.559 to stop taking UFO citing reports. In November of two thousand, according to 283 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:23.759 the Sydney World Morning Herald lost the files. That's fishy, yeah, and 284 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.200 I didn't get to read a whole lot about this, but I think one 285 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.799 of the reasons, and it can correct me because you probably read more that 286 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:36.680 they know these files were there is because one researcher had seen the files right 287 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.240 and in the past as part of his job or something, so they knew 288 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.240 that they existed at some point. You're right, some people had seen these 289 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.279 files that have gone missing, and even some like the person said, were 290 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.759 indicated in the system, but when they went to go to get the file 291 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.279 from where the system was telling them that the files lived, there was no 292 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:03.480 file. Yeah. That's awfully suspicious. That's very interesting. Maybe that was 293 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.519 Australia's way to just deal with the subject. We don't have to answer any 294 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.799 questions if we just lose the files filed in the shredder. Yeah. And 295 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.640 one last bit of news a Lejandro. This was something that just came out 296 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:22.559 today. There are rumors, and you've probably heard these rumors that during a 297 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.720 special screening of ET the Extraterrestrial at the White House in nineteen eighty two, 298 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:32.400 Ronald Reagan made a comment about everything in the movie being true. Well, 299 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:37.000 those rumors have now been confirmed by the film's maker, Steven Spielberg. In 300 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.640 an interview with Ain'ted Cool News that was published today, Spielberg was asked about 301 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.839 the Reagan rumors, to which he replied, he just stood up and looked 302 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.720 around the room, almost like he was doing a head count, and he 303 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.680 said, I want to thank you for bringing ET to the White House. 304 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.200 We really enjoyed your movie. And then he looked around the room and said, 305 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.640 and there are a number of people in this who know that everything on 306 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:07.079 that screen is absolutely true. Spielberg went on to say, I'm a little 307 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.839 bit of a ufologist. I was hoping that there was something more to the 308 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.240 joke than met the eye. I'm sorry to say. I think he was 309 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:18.799 simply trying to tell a joke. Yeah, that's really And you know what's 310 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:23.079 funny with this story too. I'm so excited about this story because I've always 311 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:27.400 been curious about this rumor. It's just been a rumor, so you kind 312 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:33.319 of put it on the back burner. I know Grant Cameron of presidentialufo dot 313 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.039 Com had gotten a letter from a friend who spoke to a friend of Spielberg's 314 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.680 who said that he confirmed it with Spielberg. But still that's kind of third 315 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:47.119 hand. So it's really exciting to not only get up firsthand because we have 316 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.359 the transcript like you just read from, but if you go to our site, 317 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:55.119 the guy at Ain't It Cool News also put up the audio recording so 318 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.680 you can hear Spilberg talking about it and his excitement about this whole event. 319 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.960 So it's really cool. This is just I think for me, this is 320 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.279 really exciting. I love this Spielberg stuff, and the idea of getting to 321 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.920 talk to him about UFOs and everything is just so exciting to me. Right, 322 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.559 And we've all known that, you know, he's definitely has an interest 323 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:18.960 in the subject because the majority of his films and television projects and everything to 324 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.440 deal with the subject. But to hear him refer to himself as a ufologist 325 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.759 is kind of interesting too. Yeah, that's really cool because he's been so 326 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:33.480 elusive, especially lately, about his belief in UFOs when it was obvious and 327 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:38.279 well he's always dodged this rumor too. Yeah. Yeah, so it's great 328 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:44.680 to hear finally you know what's going on. And then this whole was it 329 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:48.839 real or was it not? Is wasn't a joker? Was it not? 330 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.559 I mean, it's kind of exciting too, because what if it wasn't. 331 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.960 He said he was straight lift He just said it straight, so we couldn't 332 00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:00.519 tell if it was a joke or not. But everybody laughed and he let 333 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:07.400 him believe it was a joke, So it's it's definitely interesting. And what 334 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:08.720 was really funny too, is later on and I thought, oh, here, 335 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.160 we're going to get to the meat of it because he said he did 336 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:15.880 get a one on one with Nancy and Ronald and then they did whisper something 337 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.759 to him, But it was just Ronald Reagan saying, why does the credits 338 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.359 on the movies have to be so long? They should be he can't they 339 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.359 just be fifteen seconds? Yeah, it's pretty funny, Yeah, really funny. 340 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.000 Well, just one of the great stories, one of the many great 341 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.680 stories from this last week, and you could read all about them on our 342 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.559 website Open Minds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. And that 343 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.680 is it for the news for today. I'm your Open Mindes news correspondent Jason 344 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:45.000 McLellan, and you've been breathed back to you all. Thank you, Jason. 345 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.759 That's right. We have so many exciting stories on the website, and 346 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:53.359 I've just was really happy with today's story about Spielberg, and of course you 347 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:57.200 can go to our site and read about it, listen to the audio, 348 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:03.119 and then we have a link back to to PRESIDENTIALUFO dot com where he has 349 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.440 a lot of information about Reagan and UFOs, and we also have a link 350 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:12.079 to a great story that Antonio wrote on our own website, which is actually 351 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:18.039 a great summary of Reagan and his UFO signings and his beliefs and stuff like 352 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.599 that. So a lot of information on all of this on our website, 353 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.359 and even more exciting is in our upcoming issue of the magazine Open Minds Magazine. 354 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:32.839 We have a little blurb on Hollywood and UFOs. We've gott an article 355 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.279 from Jason on all this Hollywood and UFO stuff. Ugliously, you can see 356 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:41.000 he's excited about this subject. But we also talked about dan Aykroyd Spielberg. 357 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:47.559 I'm Shirley McClain and Jackie Gleeson. So and we have a special photo that 358 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:52.119 we received from the Ronald Reagan Library that I really wanted to use in the 359 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.720 web today, but I didn't because we're saving it for an exclusive for the 360 00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:59.759 magazine which is coming out, and then of course it's from the Reagan Library. 361 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.119 On it's out, everybody will have it and it'll be all over the 362 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.920 web. But it's pretty fun. Otherwise. You can come see those videos 363 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:12.079 that we've talked about, the one from Fremont Grimsly at Grimsley's video and all 364 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:18.359 these other night vision videos in our story about the media shining light on night 365 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.519 vision UFO videos and then several videos of birds, even one that does look 366 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.480 similar to some of these, so you can kind of determine for yourself. 367 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.640 And thank you to those people who are out there getting night vision of birds, 368 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:34.759 because it's always helpful to get video of things that could be UFO so 369 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.119 we can determine whether they are or not. And of course on everything else 370 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.119 that we talked about, you can read all about that too. However, 371 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:51.480 we've got a long interview with Joseph mcmonagle remote viewer number one, so let's 372 00:27:51.559 --> 00:28:02.480 go ahead and talk to Jill. I am very happy to have Joe mcmonagall 373 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.480 on the show. Thank you very much for being here. Hello, Eleandre, 374 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.200 I'm glad to be here, yep. And one of the reasons we 375 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:15.200 have you on is for the MOUFON Symposium coming up here real soon, so 376 00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:19.200 are excited for that. Yeah, I'm finishing up my presentation as we speak. 377 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.640 In fact, I'm very excited about coming out. This will be my 378 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:29.839 second trip in the second time that I presented at the MUFON conference and it's 379 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.319 a lot of fun. I've always enjoyed being out there for Yeah, there 380 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.160 should be a big crowd, so it's going to be pretty exciting. Uh 381 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.920 huh, what are you going to focus your talk on? Well, there's 382 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:45.160 a number of things I'm going to touch on prenomenantly. I'm going to be 383 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:52.640 touching on what we can expect in what we can expect in reality to be 384 00:28:52.799 --> 00:29:06.279 confronted with in a full on communications with an alien species. And I want 385 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:11.440 to talk quite a bit about why I think we've probably already met these aliens 386 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:18.359 and the meaning behind some of the things that have been going on in the 387 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:25.039 alien arena, that kind of thing. Great, Yeah, that sounds really 388 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:29.039 exciting and in fact, you know, I think maybe we'll touch on that 389 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.839 in a little bit. But I was thinking of going back in history, 390 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:36.839 kind of going back to how this all started for you, and I think 391 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.440 what you were traveling the world's going off over the place in the Army, 392 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:48.759 is that correct? And then that's correct? Basically, I actually had a 393 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:56.319 UFO experience in my first assignment in the Army. I was in Army Intelligence 394 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.079 and my first assignment was a Luther in the Bahamas. I know it sounds 395 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:07.000 like a pretty tough place to be a sign, but I dutiful dutifull Lee 396 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:12.079 went to the Bahamas for eighteen months and served on a lutra and in that 397 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:18.079 period of time had an incident with my with the guy. I worked with, 398 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.519 a man by the name of Stephen Roberts, and he and I were 399 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:33.599 were basically illuminated by a UFO over some sand dunes one night during that During 400 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.400 that experience, we were both kind of framed in a very bright light coming 401 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:45.839 off the underside of a very large UFO hovering at about twelve hundred feet, 402 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.039 and we didn't know what to do. We were kind of like deer caught 403 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:56.319 in headlights. We just sort of stood there looking up. We had actually 404 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:03.160 started to night going to a double feature movie and then had gone to the 405 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.920 bar afterwards and had a few beers, so we were not completely intoxicated, 406 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.960 but we were not feeling any pain. But it really surprised us that it 407 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.920 sobered us immediately to be standing on these sand dunes on our way to our 408 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:23.599 quarters, taking a shortcut to our quarters, to suddenly be illuminated by this 409 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:30.319 very large metallic craft. And after a few seconds of being in this light, 410 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:37.039 very strong light, our perception was the light winked out and as our 411 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:42.319 eyes were adjusting, the UFO kind of shot away and disappeared over the horizon. 412 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.839 In retrospect, when I look back on it, it's very possible that 413 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.039 it actually could have just collapsed, you know, down to a very small 414 00:31:53.200 --> 00:32:00.559 point of light or something, you know, hold it out of reality, 415 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.759 so to speak, and it would have maybe given the appearance of having shot 416 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:10.480 away very quickly. But I I don't know late sixties. This was in 417 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:20.480 nineteen sixty six timeframe, early nineteen sixty six, and we decided we went 418 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.720 back to the bar, and we decided we didn't want to discuss it with 419 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:29.519 anyone because we were very, very pleased with being in the Bahamas and not 420 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:34.200 in Southeast Asia at the time, and so we made a pack that we 421 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:38.559 weren't going to mention this to anyone. Unfortunately, the following morning, when 422 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:45.880 we both were awakened, we both had extremely bad sunburns. He in fact 423 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:51.119 was burned so badly he was aravat to Homestad Air Force Base in Florida, 424 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.119 WO, to the Army hospital there, I'm sorry, the Air Force hospital 425 00:32:55.119 --> 00:33:02.119 there, and I was treated on a luthra. I was not burned as 426 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:08.960 badly because I was a diver and so I had an extremely good tan and 427 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:15.319 that probably protected me from the UV rays, but he was burned pretty good. 428 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.839 And they of course asked us how it happened, and we told them 429 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:29.000 what occurred, and they of course did not write that down anywhere. They 430 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.839 said that they weren't going to make a silly report like that. What's interesting 431 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:39.240 about it is in retrospect, I went and checked with the down range tracking 432 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.960 systems that we had on a Luthra that were part of the Cape Canaveral tracking 433 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:52.079 system, and they informed me that almost everything, every piece of equipment they 434 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:57.920 had in telemetry and radar, etc. Had been wided out for approximately eight 435 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.960 minute period when that occurred. So, uh, it was a huge energy 436 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.840 output that occurred at the same time. Now, in retrospect, given all 437 00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:13.800 of your experiences, what is your perception of what happened there? Why why 438 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:20.719 this happened? Well, it's it's obvious to me that in order to in 439 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:25.480 order to travel star a star or planet the planet, it's it's not going 440 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.480 to be done with a fire away and it's uh, it's going to be 441 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:34.760 it's going to be done with a vehicle that has the capacity or the capability 442 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.639 to fold in and out of space time. Uh. In other words, 443 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:45.039 we're going to be dealing with aliens that use time machines and by virtue of 444 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.840 the fact that they can disappear at one star and reappear in another, in 445 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.840 other words, make the trip in a very rapid way or using a very 446 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:59.880 rapid methodology. Uh, they have to be time machines violate time space U. 447 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.400 If that's the case, then it opens an entire plethora of possibilities in 448 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:13.840 terms of what aliens might be. They could, in fact be ourselves visiting 449 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:20.760 ourselves from the future. It could be a civilization that developed on Earth that 450 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:27.440 might be visiting from the past. Or it could be true alien creatures that 451 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:35.199 have no consensus with us in any subject area. We just don't know. 452 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:45.280 It could also be that it's a that they hail from another universe completely kind 453 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:52.159 of a multi dimensional place other than where we reside in terms of physics. 454 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:58.559 So it opens up a lot of questions. Yeah, so this was the 455 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.400 beginning of your military career, and then years later, more than a decade 456 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:09.079 later, as your career is burgeoning, you've come back to America and you've 457 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:15.000 become remote viewer number one. How did you find out about this program and 458 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:21.400 how did you feel about being recruited into it. Well, those are all 459 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.599 very good questions, because if someone had actually walked me into a room and 460 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:29.239 said, we think you're psychic, would you volunteer for this program? I 461 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.760 would have said, what are you out of your gourd? If someone had 462 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.880 said, you know, everybody who thinks they're psychic in the room, raise 463 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.599 your hands, and you know, we all knew that if we had raised 464 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:44.119 our hands, our careers would have died on the spot, and you know, 465 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.119 our clearances would have disappeared, and we of course would have been cooks 466 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.360 or bottle washers or something the next day. But the way it actually happened 467 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:59.119 is they were a lot more nefarious. When I say they, the intelligence 468 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.880 people, were a little more nefarious in their search for psychics within the army. 469 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:13.119 They chose us, bringing us into a room and challenging us with a 470 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:20.320 lot of paranormal material reports in these paper articles and things, some of which 471 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:24.480 were classified at the time, and asked us how we felt about these things, 472 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.039 and did we think that having absolutely no knowledge about any of those things, 473 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.079 was it could be or was a threat to the United States. And 474 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:42.039 of course, after reviewing the material they presented me with I had to respond 475 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.000 truthfully and say that I felt it was a great threat to the United States 476 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:51.159 having for us to have no knowledge of, you know, what was behind 477 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.079 these kinds of phenomena, I felt would be a tremendous threat, especially if 478 00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:01.440 another country had a capacity or capability that we didn't poss And so as a 479 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.400 result, I was sent to see some people where I was interviewed and they 480 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:14.159 felt that I should go to SRI International on the West Coast and be tested. 481 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:19.360 And I agreed to do that, thinking there's probably not a you know, 482 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.760 not a way, not a way that I could be involved in this. 483 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:28.400 And on arrival at SRI, I turned it turned out that in my 484 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:35.920 sixth dole line remote viewing tests, I had five perfect results in one near 485 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.360 perfect result. Wow, So that I was Stanford Research Institute all right, 486 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:46.480 exactly. So I was subsequently volunteered and became part of the Stargate it's now 487 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:52.639 known as the Stargate Project. So that was got quite a process and you 488 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.800 were very successful at it. Yeah, I was the first one recruited. 489 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.440 I was a remote viewer zero zero one, you know, a licensed to 490 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.840 kill. No, no, not really, but you know, I did 491 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.119 get the number one, since I was the first recruited. And then when 492 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.719 they realized if they gave zero zero two to the next remote viewer they recruited, 493 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:19.079 they'd be telling everyone how many remote viewers they had. So the next 494 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.599 viewer got three eighty two or three eighty five or something like that. So 495 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:29.679 I turned out to be the only double zeroe double low agent. Right, 496 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.159 of course, there's no significance to that at all. There were six of 497 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:42.159 us recruited in the original group. I believe three or three survive today, 498 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:50.599 and out of those six, we were all individually felt the military felt that 499 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:58.280 all six of the original viewers were exceptionally good viewers. And that's how it 500 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.039 proved out. Anyway, and the the course of our UH, our ability 501 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:08.599 to respond to specific taskings and missions of all the intelligence agencies in America. 502 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.800 Was this pretty shocking to you? I mean it seems, especially you know, 503 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.960 late seventies, you know, not too far from Vietnam, certainly on 504 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:25.199 people's minds, that a lot going on and a very conservative type of period 505 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.960 of time, and all of a sudden there's this there's this psychic program going 506 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.719 on. Well, yeah, it was. It was a very conservative period 507 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:42.400 and UH. But within the context of that, we were being tasked with 508 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:50.440 some very real world problems, UH everything from UH missing fighter bombers to UH 509 00:40:51.119 --> 00:41:00.519 to agents or to kidnap generals, to UH terrorist organizations and UH. And 510 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.000 we were tasked double blind on these things, and we're able to in effect 511 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:14.199 provide sufficient information to rescue people who were being otherwise tortured. We were able 512 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:21.639 to locate and find things that other agencies spent literally dozens of months looking for 513 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.000 and we're unable to find. We would, for instance, a bomber that 514 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:31.599 went down over Africa. The CIA and the number of other agencies looked for 515 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.880 that plane for well over a year and we're unable to come up with any 516 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:43.960 data. And we found the plane in four hours. So it turned out 517 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:49.960 that the applications of remote viewing within the at least the purview of the intelligence 518 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.199 agencies was of extreme value to the government. Now, maybe you can explain 519 00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.920 to people what double blind is and maybe a little bit about the process. 520 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:08.960 Yes, it's what makes remote viewing significantly different from just psychic functioning. Psychic 521 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:19.559 functioning is someone who may get insight to something by you know, just popping 522 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:24.360 up with information, having information just pop into their mind while they're discussing perhaps 523 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:30.679 a murder case or something. But in most cases they do know something about 524 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.400 what it is they're looking at. They may have some details about the murder 525 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:43.800 case, that kind of thing. At the time, the single greatest deficiency 526 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.719 in using psychics was the fact that you had the frontload them. That you 527 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.280 would give them information, and in many cases they would just sort of regurgitate 528 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:59.320 that information back to you in a different package, and so to show that 529 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:05.960 it was real psychic information remote the protocol for remote viewing was invented by SR 530 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:15.599 International, where they would task a psychic with producing information, but would maintain 531 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:21.719 that psychic in a double blind and a double blind scenario. In other words, 532 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.320 the psychic would be taken into a room. He would be sitting in 533 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:31.000 an empty table in an empty room, and a person would come in with 534 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:37.000 an envelope, say a double wrap to pick envelope which would have nothing written 535 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.800 on it, and they would drop it on the counter and they would say, 536 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.079 tell me what I need to know about what's in the envelope. Basically, 537 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.119 neither that person nor anyone else in the room with the psychic at the 538 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:53.440 time would have any information that was pertinent to the target. So the idea 539 00:43:53.679 --> 00:44:01.480 was that it would force the psychic to actually use the psychic ability to obtain 540 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:07.559 any information at all about the target. What's astounding is and in most cases, 541 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:13.199 I say most cases, and at least fifty percent of the occasions it 542 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:20.760 was used, the psychic would produce pertinent information that was very good value or 543 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:29.159 at least important value to the subsequent solving of the problem. Now, one 544 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:36.440 of your books, your handbook I read, and I know you talked a 545 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:43.599 lot about the importance of feedback and practicing kind of could you explain that, 546 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:52.320 Yeah, practicing remote viewing is extremely important because basically every human being. We 547 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:58.239 know that every human being thinks differently. We are all brought up differently, 548 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.840 we all have different experiences, our minds all work differently, and the way 549 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.519 we frame information in our minds and use it is completely different one from the 550 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:17.119 next person. So you can't generally make a statement that says only this kind 551 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:24.000 of information will occur with someone at this particular point in thinking. You have 552 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:30.440 to allowed it that all kinds of possible information may pop up in somebody's mind. 553 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:37.320 The idea about being psychic is not so much the information popping up in 554 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:43.800 the mind, but the ability to understand the symbology of that information. What 555 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.039 does it mean when you get the image of a swimming pool, for instance, 556 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.800 It doesn't It almost never means that there's a swimming pool at the target. 557 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:58.159 But what it will mean is that there's a large containerized area, perhaps 558 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:04.079 some fluid that might be in the target area. And so you have to 559 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:13.239 try to interpolate how those symbolic pictures and things are popping into the mind. 560 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:21.440 Everybody does that differently, so the rules can't be hard and fast. The 561 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.199 only rules that you can really make about remote viewing is don't jump to conclusions. 562 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:31.440 Don't try to identify specifically what it is you're talking about. Just try 563 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:36.639 to give the barest facts, the minimum facts that come into the mind. 564 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.920 In many cases people are able to do that, and in some cases they're 565 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:47.400 not. The Only way to discern whether or not somebody is a world class 566 00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:53.519 psychic or world class remote viewer is to have them actually do it. In 567 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:57.960 in order for them to become good at it, they have to practice it 568 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.880 in a repetible, fatable way. In other words, over and over and 569 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:07.199 over, until it becomes second nature. It's kind of like a mental muscle. 570 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.599 They have to exercise. Yeah, and you kind of learn how your 571 00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:15.559 muscle or your brain works that way. Then huh, exactly, And so 572 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:22.159 it's very hard. Well, another person can't say this is a rule. 573 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:28.159 That's always hard fast. You know, if you get an image of an 574 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.119 inverted V, it always means a religious target. Well, no, not 575 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.280 necessarily. It may it may be so for sixty three point five percent of 576 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.239 the population, but the other part of the population, the inverted V is 577 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.039 going to be meaningful for something else. So it's only through practice that we 578 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:52.000 can we can learn the sort of this dynamic language of the mind, the 579 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:57.480 subconscious to the conscious mind. And in that language is dynamic, it changes 580 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.960 constantly, so practice is required. Even if someone is a world class remote 581 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.239 viewer, they still have to practice on a regular basis so they lose it. 582 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.559 It makes sense because then you can learn how to also translate, because 583 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.840 like you said, it's the pool. Then you can write maybe, uh, 584 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:17.400 because I've taken some some of the courses and stuff and seeing how different 585 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:23.320 people would do it. If you write water or fluid container as opposed to 586 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.679 pool, then when you find out what the target is, you can see 587 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:34.719 maybe it was a glass of water or Yeah, even more importantly, if 588 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:43.719 you're if you are putting down the details like cube ground level contains fluid, 589 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:49.880 fluid flows a certain direction, that kind of thing. Uh. Then when 590 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.920 that information is married up with other intelligence information, say an overhead satellite photograph 591 00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:01.639 or uh maybe two or three reports from some one agents, then that information 592 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:07.400 may imply that there is an underground element to the target that no one knows 593 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:14.000 about. And then they can take adequate steps to re target using the kinds 594 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:21.199 of implementation or implements that might provide the specific information that you're looking for about 595 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.920 the underground portions of the target. That kind of thing. It's never used 596 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:32.639 alone. It's always used in conjunction with other intelligence intelligence information. But it 597 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.760 can prove extreme value that way. Yeah, And which makes sense because a 598 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:45.960 lot of people unfortunately are kind of out there quote unquote remote viewing and unknown 599 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.480 targets, and then they do talk about how they've discovered what's on the moon 600 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.719 and who makes crop circles and all of these. Yeah, you can't really 601 00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:57.840 do that. You have to be able to you have to be able to 602 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.679 have something. You have to have something that you can compare the information to 603 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:08.840 that you can validate the information with. There's many techniques and methodologies for doing 604 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:15.800 that. It takes a lot of time sometimes to build target information or a 605 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:22.519 library of information about a target to the point that you can extraploit extrapolate sufficient 606 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:30.119 information of value. All of these are also bits and pieces of the techniques 607 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.760 that are married into married up with the actual remote viewing that makes remote viewing 608 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:43.000 a methodology that's worth using. People that don't understand all of these things or 609 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:52.119 don't have the sufficient man hours of research backing them up, you know, 610 00:50:52.280 --> 00:51:00.400 will usually fail and any efforts that they may attempt. Yeah, I wanted 611 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:04.360 to get to I guess that we haven't talked about Ingo Swan, who and 612 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.880 from what I understand, it was an sr I who kind of had him 613 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.840 since he was a known psychic who I guess they were able to demonstrate had 614 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:19.599 a real ability on. Yeah, he helped them create the protocols. Well. 615 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:25.440 Ingo Swan was a psychic in New York and he became known to doctor 616 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:31.960 hal put Off, and doctor put Off brought him to SRI to study him, 617 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.159 and he became more than just a guinea pig or a subject. He 618 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:44.440 became a partner in research and helped helped to develop some of the remote viewing 619 00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:53.360 protocol. A lot of the a lot of the things about remote viewing are 620 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:59.119 a direct result of some of the things that Ingo Swan did. For instance, 621 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.440 in the beginning, they used outbounders. That's where they sent people to 622 00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.760 the actual target sites and targeted the people. Of course, that would have 623 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:14.039 been very difficult. If you're looking at a Russian classified area, you would 624 00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.960 have to find someone who had access to that area and target them. They 625 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.440 found that to be very difficult. So Ingo said, well, what we 626 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:27.960 can do is we can use coordinates, you know, geographic coordinates for the 627 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.519 targeted area, and that seemed to work very well. The CIA, of 628 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:37.840 course, balked at that. They came around the first five months I was 629 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:43.480 a viewer working for the agency. They balked at the fact that their targets 630 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.880 were being given to me in geographic coordinates. And so we said, well, 631 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:52.639 that's fine, we understand you think Joe has a photographic memory and he's 632 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.800 memorized the world. Well that's fine, why don't you put the geographic coordinates 633 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.760 in a double raptopig se almblow and we'll just ask Joe to report on what 634 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:07.320 he finds important whatever location is identified inside the envelope, and that works just 635 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:14.159 as well. So you know, we went we made the let very quickly 636 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:22.840 into sealed envelopes. The process is really driven by two things. Intent. 637 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:29.880 That's the operational intent of the people making or inventing the target. What their 638 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.960 intention is, what they in their expectation for outcome. If you have an 639 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:40.480 intention to penetrate the underground area of an ICBM site and you have the expectation 640 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.320 that you will produce valuable information about that site, then that's precisely what the 641 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:52.719 remote viewer will do. How the target is identified within the envelope is really 642 00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:57.760 not very material. Set intention and expectation. It gets the viewer to the 643 00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:06.679 target interesting and then early on getting onto kind of back to the UFOs UFOs. 644 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:10.320 Surprisingly, when I was, you know, reading about remote viewing became 645 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.639 kind of a fairly common type of thing. I think every remote viewer I've 646 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:21.039 read about has had some sort of experience looking at this sort of thing. 647 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:25.840 And I think even the Ingo Swan had an unexpected run in when they at 648 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.920 the beginning of the program m when they were trying to remote view at a 649 00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:38.760 submarine. Uh huh, there there's some interesting things about UFOs throughout the history 650 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.559 of the program. Uh. There of course was a great deal of interest 651 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:47.760 in UFOs, so there was a lot of targeting of the remote viewers on 652 00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:54.159 UFOs. I have to say, however, that almost all the targeting of 653 00:54:54.320 --> 00:55:00.960 UFOs was not bequest of the government, but at the bequest some of the 654 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:09.960 other viewers. So the viewers themselves were setting up blind targets for other viewers. 655 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:16.039 They were not being told or knew that they were working actually on UFOs. 656 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:22.000 During the history of the project, there was only one actual official viewing 657 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:30.039 of a UFO, and that happened to be a US Air Force target and 658 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:36.559 I was asked to be the viewer on that particular project. What actually had 659 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:45.400 happened is they in using some of the Air Force surveillance equipment to photograph a 660 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:52.599 target site in an Eastern Bloc country, they happened to capture an object at 661 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:59.800 about fourteen thousand feet in one of the photographs, and not knowing what it 662 00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:05.159 was, they sent a negative of that wrapped in a double wrapped the pick 663 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:12.159 envelope to our office and asked us to target. I came up for targeting 664 00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:20.639 at that time and did some very nice drawings of the actual the actual facility 665 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:25.519 that they had been taking photographs of. While doing the drawings of that facility, 666 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:34.119 I happened to state that I had a sense of something that just passed 667 00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.559 in front of my face, and they asked me. The man who was 668 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:45.920 sitting with me thought that maybe I had seen the fast mover or the vehicle 669 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:50.199 that had actually taken the photograph, and he thought that would be really neat 670 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:57.599 if Joe could draw a picture of this classified fast mover, And so he 671 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.280 asked me if I would draw it, and I said certainly, And after 672 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:07.840 a few minutes of concentration, I ended up drawing an oblique circle on the 673 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:16.239 page and filling it in as what apparently was a saucer shaped craft. I 674 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:24.519 said the craft was at approximately thirteen thousand feet and was traveling at fourteen thousand 675 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:30.920 I'm sorry, traveling at four thousand miles per hour and had just finished making 676 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:40.159 a hard right hand turn ninety return in that photograph. In fact, in 677 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:45.880 three frames of the photographs, it did make a ninety degree right turn, 678 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:50.760 it was estimated to be traveling at approximately thirty nine hundred miles per hour, 679 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:58.079 and it was traveling at about eleven thousand feet. So that battle alone was 680 00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:05.920 verified by the the analysis of the photo. And there was some other information 681 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:13.119 that I provided which I can't share, but was a very interesting target to 682 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:19.719 do. Wow, how did they react to that? Well, that's an 683 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:27.519 interesting story in itself. I having the clearances and whatnot, I immediately typed 684 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:31.800 out a request for my own copies of the photo and sent it into the 685 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:39.079 system. And when that floated around out there for about ten days, I 686 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:45.480 got a message to report to the commanding general, and my commanding general told 687 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:52.360 me that he wanted to know in the military, I'll see, it was 688 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:58.960 the Naval Intelligence Service at the time NIS, who was specifically charged with protecting 689 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:02.519 those photographs. They wanted to know why I had asked for copies of the 690 00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:12.239 photographs that were missing from that particular file. So I was never able to 691 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.440 get copies of the photograph and they were pretty hot about finding out why I 692 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:22.519 was asking for photos that turned up to be missing. Oh wow, Yeah, 693 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:30.440 it turned into a more complicated situation than I had expected. So I 694 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.719 guess just to get an idea, because this is so interesting how the group 695 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.199 work. I mean it was set up when you started, I mean, 696 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:43.079 was there a period of to get things rolling, the whole department rolling with 697 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.679 their training for you and the rest of the group. And how long did 698 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:54.000 that last? Yeah, initially it was going to be a study project. 699 00:59:54.039 --> 01:00:00.559 We were going we knew that at the time we were at war, in 700 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:06.000 a Cold war with a Soviet Union, and we knew that through our own 701 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:12.159 nefarious ways, that the Soviet Union was using psychics to target to target us, 702 01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.280 and we had no idea how effective that was. But it bothered us 703 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:22.199 that we didn't know, and so a suggestion was made that the way to 704 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:27.039 find out, since we can't get someone into the Soviet psychic program, the 705 01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:34.679 way we would do it is we would spend a three year period studying how 706 01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:39.159 they did exactly what they did. We would use the first year to recruit 707 01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:46.719 and train our own psychics exactly the way the Russians were being used. Then 708 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:52.320 we would spend the second year we would send those recruits out into the world, 709 01:00:52.719 --> 01:01:00.360 and those would we would target things we knew about, like the BI 710 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:04.440 or the CIA, or the White house that kind of thing, and then 711 01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.119 at the end of the second year, we would take all the materials that 712 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:15.320 we collected psychically and turn those materials over to a independent agency who would evaluate 713 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:21.719 the results and say, oh, this is approximately how good you did, 714 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.639 so this is probably how good the Russians do. In that way, we 715 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:31.079 would have some ground truth about their ability. Well. As it turned out, 716 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.639 no one knew what training meant, so we were pretty much just practicing 717 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:43.719 remote viewing. We did have the basic protocol for remote viewing down, so 718 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:51.119 we were doing practice runs with targets, local targets like air fields and fire 719 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:58.199 stations and things like that. And about three months in we had the Iran 720 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:05.440 te irantage problem where our embassy was taken over and they of course had no 721 01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:10.199 way of monitoring what was going on inside the embassy. They asked a number 722 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:15.639 of us to They woke us up in the middle of the night before anyone 723 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:19.519 in America knew that the embassy had been taken over, and they asked us 724 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.760 to. They told us that an embassy somewhere somewhere in the world had been 725 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:34.599 taken over by terrorists, and we were asked to identify by photograph the people 726 01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:39.559 who were kept as hostages because it had been taken over on a Sunday, 727 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:45.679 so nobody knew who was a hostage and who wasn't. We identified I think 728 01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.760 it was sixty four people at the time, actually did some pencil sketches of 729 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.239 three of the people because there was no photo for them. It turns out 730 01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:02.760 that those three people were later identified as CIA agents that it was in country. 731 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:06.800 Have we not drawn sketches of them, they probably would have died in 732 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:15.119 captivity. It turned out our accuracy was phenomenal in identifying the actual hostages. 733 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:27.599 So as a result, we ceased being a study group and were reoriented and 734 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:35.320 reactivated as a active collection facility, and that was approved and financed on a 735 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:39.360 year to year basis based on our abilities in what we were able to accomplish, 736 01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:45.239 and as a result, we existed for twenty years and provided intelligence to 737 01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:52.719 every intelligence organization in America over that twenty year period, to include five administrations 738 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.199 in the White House of an ad Wow, do you know what that? 739 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:03.360 The White House self like, I come to you guys for for work we 740 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.719 we did. We did work for the White House, the Secret Service, 741 01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:10.079 the FBI, C I, A, D, E. A, d 742 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:15.159 I, A, n S A, UH, National Security Council, all 743 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:21.639 the intelligence agencies as a d O D to include the Coastguard. I mean 744 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:26.199 there was I can't think of a single intelligence organization that we didn't do work 745 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:30.000 for. Wow. Were there some groups I think I had read this that 746 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.840 came in and asked you to do work and you just you didn't know who 747 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:39.039 they were? Uh? Yes, there were some groups that did that. 748 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:46.320 Initially, h Initially they had a great deal of doubts about psychic the use 749 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:53.719 of psychics, and so they felt that even giving a hint as to what 750 01:04:53.840 --> 01:05:00.639 group may have tasked the material would be giving too much information. So we 751 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:09.599 were asked to demonstrate our abilities by targeting information and coel envelopes provided by totally 752 01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:15.280 unknown people. And in many cases, oh, actually in all cases we 753 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.119 were able to do that, demonstrate that we were able to do that. 754 01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:25.639 In one case, I was personally asked if I could if I could track 755 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:30.400 a human being, and I said yes, And so the agency, which 756 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.159 I did not know at the time, provided me with a three x five 757 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:40.320 card with a single social security number written on it, and I was told 758 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:45.320 that that was the target individual. So I had no idea if it was 759 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.960 a man, a woman, a child, or what or where in America 760 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:55.840 they might be. And I was called randomly on three different occasions and asked 761 01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:02.639 to describe with detail exactly where they were. On all three occasions that specific 762 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:11.119 spot in which they were standing was easily identifiable by my drawings. So as 763 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:16.760 a result, we got a lot more tasking from that specific agency, and 764 01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:24.719 then eventually you guys went on to train train other groups. Well, that's 765 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:30.719 not entirely true. There was an attempt. There was an attempt made to 766 01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:39.719 train remote viewers. There was some feeling Englo Swan had some ideas that he 767 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:48.159 could put together a training mechanism whereby he could train people who were not psychic 768 01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:55.679 to be psychic, and an attempt was made to do that. It was 769 01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:00.719 a six stage training mechanism. Only the first three stages were trained over a 770 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:08.360 period of eighteen months, and what we wound up with was no significant improvement 771 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:13.719 with any of the people that were being trained, so it was terminated. 772 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:19.599 Subsequently, what we discovered in that we discovered this through research is that all 773 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:27.719 human beings, regardless of background, race, place of birth, culture, 774 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:31.400 or anything else, all human beings are psychic to some degree or another. 775 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:41.239 That degree of psychic ability is differentiated by levels of personal talent. Just like 776 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:46.599 you would have someone who had sufficient talent as a baseball player to end up 777 01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:53.679 the National Baseball League, so it goes with psychics. There are some who 778 01:07:54.280 --> 01:08:01.239 have a natural ability or a natural talent that can excel and whereas most people 779 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:09.360 don't. Most people are just naturally psychic in a spontaneous way that you know, 780 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.960 it happens once in a while. Yeah, we've done, you know, 781 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.600 in the past and it years. I've been involved with a few different 782 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:24.560 things where with remote viewing exercises and with our move on in Colorado, there 783 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:30.560 was one individual who was just really good at it. Definitely showed that he 784 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:34.760 was more accurate, much more so than anybody else. Uh yeah, and 785 01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:42.800 surprisingly in this also from research, I can tell you that if you were 786 01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.680 to stand on any street corner and any random city on the planet and just 787 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:53.640 randomly grabbed two hundred people off the street, you would basically be grabbing one 788 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:59.079 world class psychic. If in that two hundred, Wow, that's a lot 789 01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:02.119 of world class psychic out there, right, And so somebody would say, 790 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.680 well, where are they? You know, it's four hundred thousand in America 791 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:13.880 alone. Where are they, Well, they're the stockbroker who's making the right 792 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:16.640 guests on what investment to make sixty eight percent of the time or better. 793 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:24.399 They are the surgeon who intuitively does exactly the right thing when seconds are involved 794 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:31.960 in saving a life. They're the painter who has incredible skill at bringing paintings 795 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:38.520 to life. And that's who these people are. Yeah, makes sense. 796 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:43.960 Now. The video kind of portrays that Project Stargate was closed down because it 797 01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:46.960 wasn't effective, which kind of doesn't make sense. Why would the program last 798 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:54.239 so long if it wasn't effective? And that doesn't seem to be accurate. 799 01:09:54.600 --> 01:10:00.880 Exactly. Well, I got a I was aware of a legion Americ by 800 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:14.079 the Secretary of the Army for for providing Basically, I provided standalone intelligence of 801 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:20.119 national interest or hire in over one hundred and sixty missions as a remote viewer. 802 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:29.079 I will tell you that as an intelligence officer who spent nearly fourteen years 803 01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:33.520 overseas, in that entire fourteen years, I was only able to produce a 804 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:42.000 single intelligence first in that entire time of six and a half years before I 805 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.800 retired from the Army, I was able to do that over one hundred and 806 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:51.479 sixty times as a remote viewer. So you do the math. That's a 807 01:10:51.479 --> 01:11:00.520 phenomenal success as a intelligence officer. So yeah, it's true, very low 808 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:06.159 percentages. Our success rate was somewhere between eighteen and twenty percent. But the 809 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:12.119 difficulty is you have to look at what we were tasked with. The eighteen 810 01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.560 and eighteen to twenty percent or eighteen to twenty two percent success rate we had 811 01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:21.560 was with targets that no other agency could find a solution for. We didn't 812 01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:26.600 even get them until many of those agencies that worked those problems for one or 813 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:30.880 more years, they were dumped in our lab and we were able to solve 814 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:34.680 twenty two percent of them. And that's a very low percentage, true, 815 01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:40.880 but we were able to solve twenty two percent of those within hours. I 816 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:45.880 think that's significant, right. I mean, even if you consider a police 817 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:50.800 work, you know, if you have you're able to resolve just by using 818 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:58.039 these these these mesthods twenty percent of your full cases. That's better than not 819 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:02.239 solving them. Oh, that's incredible, that's that's absolutely fantastic. There are 820 01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:06.560 police, I know, there are police departments who would build whole departments that 821 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:13.199 could do that if they could do that. So yeah, and there are 822 01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:17.079 some other area other things about remote viewing that are not as commonly known are 823 01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:24.359 as well known that that make it even you know, more important. As 824 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:31.079 an example, on nuclear targets, for example, remote viewers almost at least 825 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:36.560 some remote viewers almost never miss a nuclear target. So if you're if you're 826 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:43.119 looking for where's the nuke? You know which shell is the new kid under? 827 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:45.880 Well you want to remote view are looking for it because the remote viewer 828 01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:53.520 almost never misses that question. So when it comes to your talk at move 829 01:12:53.640 --> 01:13:01.479 On with UFOs and Extra Treastrials, is that you're remote viewing of UFOs giving 830 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:08.239 you the insight that you're using for this talk. It's given me a considerable 831 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:13.800 amount of insight in fact, and and a lot of an insight. I'm 832 01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:19.039 using to address some of the problems that we may face if we were to 833 01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:25.720 come in full contact with aliens, and that's kind of the gist of my 834 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:32.199 presentation. I'm going to speak directly to first what I know to be true 835 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:40.520 based on remote feeling, and what I think we could expect based on remote 836 01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:44.840 feeling. So what are some of those things that you know to be true. 837 01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:46.479 Well, i'd be giving it away. You need to come to the 838 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:55.760 move on conference to find out. H Yeah, but you got to give 839 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.840 them a little hint so they can be like, oh, wow, this 840 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:00.960 is great, I gotta go. Well, there's a lot. There's a 841 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.720 lot said, for instance about you know, almost almost everyone that has some 842 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:15.359 kind of direct alien contact experience uh deals with the large dark eyes in the 843 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:23.439 feature almost featureless face. And I can tell you from remote viewing that the 844 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:29.720 reason for that is because all aliens where what I would call a skin suit. 845 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:35.520 It's a very uh it's a very form fitted uh environmental suit which is 846 01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:43.800 used to protect their uh, their senses, their uh smell, taste, 847 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:53.600 touch site, everything about how they are influenced buy our reality. The for 848 01:14:53.600 --> 01:15:00.600 instance, the eyes have to be covered because many of the the biologic threats 849 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:10.079 that they would be facing within our our our environment would be uh very damaging 850 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:13.600 to them through the through the eyes, through the mucus of the eyes. 851 01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:19.000 So they were they were these environmental suits, and the environmental suits are not 852 01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:23.520 meant to hide them. It's it's meant to protect them and to give them 853 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:30.720 some some edge over uh over their normal uh ability when they're within our environment 854 01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:38.720 within there, when they're within our uh uh bright sun are are you know, 855 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:44.600 our starry nights so to speak, versus their kind of a super advanced 856 01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:51.079 space suits. Yeah. And and the other difficulty is catching them out outside 857 01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:58.720 of one of those environmental suits. That does occasionally occur, but it occurs 858 01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.039 when they're within their own protected an environment, which is their ship or their 859 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:10.399 vehicle. The vehicle is not particularly well suited for deep space travel, but 860 01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:13.640 then it doesn't have to do deep space travel. It only has to do 861 01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:20.680 a fold in and out through time space. So, but the but the 862 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:26.239 inside of their vehicle does protect them, does protect them to a great extent 863 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:34.600 from the multi variant diseases and viruses and things that we have on our planet 864 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:40.760 that they would become very quickly victim to. Mm hmm. Now I've heard 865 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:45.960 that you've done some help with crash retrieval type of work. Do you believe 866 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:53.720 that their craft have crashed on occasion? Yes, I believe they have. 867 01:16:55.119 --> 01:17:01.479 Here's here's some facts that that I know from hands on. I've been to 868 01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:11.560 at least twelve known crash sites where many people believe UFOs have crashed only one 869 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:16.800 of those actual crash sites. Do I believe in alien vehicle crashed. There's 870 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:25.479 a substantial evidence, through investigation or post investigation, that many of those crashes 871 01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:30.279 were our own vehicles, our vehicles of our own creation. Does that include 872 01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:35.239 pardon, does that include Roswell. I don't think a crash appened at Roswell. 873 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:42.640 I think that's a watched the birdie thing. It's it's interesting to me 874 01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:50.720 that every time, every time serious discussion begins surrounding the I'm not going to 875 01:17:50.800 --> 01:18:00.399 remember it now, the crash in there was another area in Mexico where the 876 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:03.760 Roswell one happened, or a different crash. No, it's a different crash 877 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:09.119 site entirely. I can't. He has to forgive me. I can't remember 878 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:16.760 the site Augustine. And but whenever serious discussion arises about that particular crash site, 879 01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:21.520 all of a sudden, Roswell pops up and everybody starts discussing Roswell again, 880 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:27.279 and the Air Force starts passing on information, and there's all kinds of 881 01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:32.399 stuff about Roswell. And I think Roswell is a distractor. It's meant to 882 01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:41.000 distract us from the actual crash site may huh at no, No, it's 883 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:46.960 a different one than that. Okay, ies real one. Yeah, from 884 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:54.159 the actual the actual event, it's of importance. The The other thing which 885 01:18:54.239 --> 01:19:01.199 is interesting to me is the uh Uh it's very difficult, for instance, 886 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:08.760 uh targeting targeting an alien craft. It's very difficult in the first place because 887 01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:13.279 I think they have a very clear sense of women are being targeted psychically. 888 01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:18.520 Uh So. Uh a psychic is generally given something to keep them busy. 889 01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:25.079 Uh. In my case, I've they continually give me boxes within boxes. 890 01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:30.359 So uh for instance, I started out with an with a sort of an 891 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:39.079 impression of uh in kind of a y three lines all intersecting, and uh 892 01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:42.760 it took took six months for me to figure out that what I was seeing 893 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.600 was the inside of an empty corner of a box or an empty box. 894 01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:50.680 Uh, the inside corner of an empty box. And uh So they do 895 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:57.039 things that that are kind of like, you know, hand the kid a 896 01:19:57.159 --> 01:20:04.279 rattle and maybe he'll get involved and and be distracted. So uh Uh there 897 01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:10.119 are there are ways around that, and the ways around it are to uh 898 01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:14.600 target target things where they don't expect you to be, and that would be 899 01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:20.319 at some of the sites in which alien vehicles might be spotted uh, in 900 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:28.159 all of the tens of thousands of sightings uh, in order to target one 901 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:33.000 that actually has real aliens involved in it. That's a pretty daunting task, 902 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:38.840 you know, uh, which ones are for real and which ones aren't so 903 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:44.840 uh. Preliminarily speaking, remote viewing can be used to sort of weed out 904 01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:49.920 the the less uh, the less real from the real uh. And then 905 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:54.359 once you've done that, then you can sort of get down the business and 906 01:20:54.439 --> 01:21:00.000 target real sights and and get more information. And that one of the two 907 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:05.800 twelve sites where you believe it was a real crash. Why did the object 908 01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:13.000 crash? The object crash because it collided with another vehicle with a plane, 909 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:17.960 and the plane the plane basically uged in and exploded on the desert floor. 910 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:25.880 This is in nineteen fifty And the actual vehicle itself, it was witnessed by 911 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:30.479 two miners, and the vehicle itself skipped along the ground like a frisbee. 912 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:36.319 It actually ricocheted off the ground two or three times before coming to rest nose 913 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:45.199 first into the side of a hard rock kind of mesa. And if you 914 01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:50.680 go there today you can actually see the imprint of the circular outer edge of 915 01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:59.359 the oplique oblique vehicle just as it just as it had been impacted into the 916 01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:02.960 side. See where the stone has been blasted away in all directions. And 917 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:09.800 then you can see the ashual heavy track marks of the military vehicles that came 918 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:15.479 in to remove the vehicle from the area. Of course, they're much well 919 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.600 printed in the area nearer to the crash than they are where they were just 920 01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:26.039 simply driven in off the tractor trailers. But the evidence is still there. 921 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:30.680 It's the middle of a desert where it never rains, and you can still 922 01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:34.840 see the mining equipment and the digging equipment and buckets and things that the miners 923 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:42.720 had, so you know all the facts at up and except there's nothing there. 924 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.039 But it's a very real site for me because it feels different from the 925 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:54.640 other sites which don't seem to be one hundred percent. They never seem to 926 01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:59.600 be quite one hundred percent. Is this a well known crash or one? 927 01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:03.560 Maybe that's in Ryan Woods book? Uh, it's I will tell you it's 928 01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:11.680 in Ryan Woods book. Uh huh? Did he write about your experiences with 929 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:15.800 that in the book? I'm not I'm not going to say one way or 930 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.800 the other, because I haven't, I haven't. I don't know which one 931 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:24.239 we're talking about, So okay, gotcha, Okay, yeah, that sounds 932 01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:29.560 pretty interesting. I know in the fifties two, I was reading in Jim 933 01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:34.560 Mar's book that you had remote viewed UFO math sighting in Tacoma, Washington. 934 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:41.800 That's correct. Yeah, uh huh. And I was targeted on a mountain 935 01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:45.880 near Tacoma, Washington because everyone thought there was an alien base, an underground 936 01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:54.840 alien base there, and but what in fact I found was and did actual 937 01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:59.199 drawings turn out to the very accurate drawings. When I did the drawings, 938 01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.840 everybody said, though, it's got to be an alien base, nothing like 939 01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:08.520 that ever existed on the Earth. And many years later, I think twelve 940 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:12.640 years later, what it's turned out to be is an over the horizon radar 941 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:16.119 site, and it, of course is a top secret facility for twenty years 942 01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.840 because no one knew you could look over the horizon with radar because it's the 943 01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:28.760 line of sight. So my drawings are very accurate though for the actual site 944 01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:34.680 itself, the facility itself, So there are bizarre things that you do pick 945 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:39.680 up on that you can see and say, oh, those have got to 946 01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:44.640 be alien, that can't possibly be us, when in fact it is us 947 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.520 and we just don't know about the technology. I think my last question will 948 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:57.359 be do you think that the Stargate program probably could have continued but gone even 949 01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:01.199 more clandestine? No, I don't think it has. Uh, I know, 950 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:06.840 right, I don't think it has. And the reason I don't think 951 01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:12.279 it has is, uh, even when it was operational, we had as 952 01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:17.399 many distractors as we had friends. Uh. It was going going to work 953 01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:19.680 every day. It was like a knife fight in the phone booth. And 954 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:26.640 didn't know who your friends were, your enemies were. And it's just too 955 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:32.399 big a a target. Uh. Any politician involved who would have their careers 956 01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:40.359 ruined over it because they were believing, uh end quote in that psychic that 957 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:47.880 funky psychic stuff. Generals were put off by it because uh nobody, nobody 958 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:51.720 in their sane or right mind would buy into that stuff, that kind of 959 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:56.199 thing. Uh. But on the other hand, we had some very powerful 960 01:25:56.239 --> 01:26:02.520 senators and some very uh, very interesting operational people down at the down at 961 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:09.560 the agent level who believe very very much in what we were doing and used 962 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:14.239 our information all the time. So no, I don't. I don't think. 963 01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:17.560 I don't think it continued. I think it was ended. Gotcha. 964 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:21.720 Well, thank you so much for being on the show. Really intriguing. 965 01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:26.359 I'm very excited to hear your talk and move on. I hope I can 966 01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:29.479 catch it. If no, I'm definitely going to get the DVD. All 967 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:32.800 right, definitely definitely be there. It'll be fun. Yeah. I suggest 968 01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:39.319 everybody come and enjoy it, and then your website's Emcyeagle dot com. That's 969 01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:44.159 correct. All right, great, is there anything else you wanted to share 970 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:48.079 with listeners? No, no, just come to the event and hear my 971 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:51.199 talk. It'll be fun. All right. Great, Well, thank you 972 01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:58.000 so much. You're welcome. Have a nice day. All right. You 973 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:03.560 will be able to see mister mcmona go, myself and some other of our 974 01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:09.479 open Minds peeps at the event he was talking about, which is the mouf 975 01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:15.159 On Symposium in July twenty ninth through the thirty first in Irvine, California. 976 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:19.239 So that's going to be a lot of funmofon dot com to find out more 977 01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:25.199 about that. And as you heard in the interview, Joe does have a 978 01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:29.920 website and several books. Very very interesting stuff, especially if you are interested 979 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.640 in remote viewing and how to do it yourself or at least see if you 980 01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:39.880 have any abilities that way. You can read some of his books and that 981 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.279 handbook that he talked about, the handbook for remote viewing that he did, 982 01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:47.600 is very helpful, especially for getting to the details and the things like the 983 01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:54.199 feedback like he talked about in the exact protocols and really what they did to 984 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:58.279 do what they do. But as he says, you know, you really 985 01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:01.560 got to be able to know if you're accurate or not and find that out. 986 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:08.000 And one of the coolest remote viewing exercises that I've done and remote viewing 987 01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:13.560 classes do, is you just get some pictures and you can get together some 988 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:16.680 friends and maybe put some pictures on your laptop. And of course you as 989 01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:23.800 a facilitator wouldn't be able to participate, but then you get these pictures on 990 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:27.359 your laptop and you have people do remote view and you know, get a 991 01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:30.880 book or something so you can know the protocols when they do those protocols, 992 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.479 don't show them the picture, of course, and then display the picture and 993 01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:38.880 see how accurate people were describing the pictures that they're going to see and you'll 994 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:43.439 have some amazing results and you'll find there are some consistencies where some people are 995 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.039 better at it than others. So it's very interesting and it's a lot of 996 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:50.319 fun to do. We're out of time. Thank you so much for joining 997 01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:56.920 us on Open Minds Radio. Next week. I'm not quite sure who we're 998 01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:00.439 going to have. I'm shuffling around a few people. Definitely can have Ted 999 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:02.880 Loader even either next week or the next. And he's a PhD. And 1000 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:08.680 we talked about the physics of UFOs and things like that. And I'm talking 1001 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:15.359 to astronaut Story Musgrave who had his own UFO sighting and it talks about UFOs 1002 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:17.520 and stuff, and so I have been talking to him. He's a busy 1003 01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:21.199 guy, so hopefully we'll be able to get some time from him. So 1004 01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:26.600 we got a couple of exciting interviews coming up, and you'll have to wait 1005 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.399 and check out our website. In the next couple of days, we'll post 1006 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.239 who will be next week, but we'll be here with the show and it'll 1007 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:39.199 be a great guest, So don't forget to be here yourself. Thanks for 1008 01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:43.560 listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit Openminds dot tv for more 1009 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.920 UFO news and we will talk to you next week. People, how do 1010 01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:47.920 you have a good week