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Radio, your UFO news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have a
very special show for you today, not that every show isn't special and wonderful
and fabulous. I don't know how we do it, to be quite frank,
how we keep up the great quality of the show, but we do.
We find a way to do it amongst all of our other crazy work,
busy, busy all day long to get you guys the latest and the
best information on a daily basis. And today I am excited to say we
have Joseph mcmonagle. And what's too exciting about this He was the very first
remote viewer, so some of you are very familiar with remote viewing. And
this was essentially what had happened was the government had found out that the Russians,
and this was back in the seventies, were using psychics to figure information
out. So what they decided to do was to do this themselves. So
and see if they could figure it out. So they went and they found
the best psychic they could find, and that was a gentleman by the name
of Ingo Swan. Ingo then worked with the Stanford Research Institute and the Army
to develop what they called remote viewing, which is protocols for these guys to
be able to see things that of course are very far such as sub marines
and Russian and stuff like that. So they did develop this and then they
tested people. Mcmonacle'll talk about this, the testing that he went through to
become a remote viewer, and he became the very first and he did this
for for many years, and you'll talk about how accurate they were. And
one interesting note if you've read up on this, there's Jim Mars's books I
Spies. It's a good one talks about the history. But also Joseph mcmonagle
himself has written several books and he'll talk about that. But a lot of
the remote viewers, purposely or not purposely, had seen UFOs when they remote
viewed. So they remote viewed UFOs extraterrestrial stuff like that. Very interesting stuff,
and it's incredible. How just about I think everything I've read about remote
viewers, every single one of them, whether they were skeptic about the subject
before or not, remote viewed UFOs. So that's really cool. So we'll
talk to him about the information. He's going to be speaking at mofon in
July, and we're going to be there too. That's July twenty ninth through
the thirty first in Irvine, California. You can find out more MoveOn dot
com. But that's going to be a fun event, and Joe and some
of these other people are going to be speaking there, so that's going to
be some good stuff. And you can come meet us, come buy some
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a high five, or tell me, hey man that story you wrote about
Xyz suck Man. Whatever you want to talk about, come talk to us.
What we're so busy doing on a regular basis, of course, is
getting you the UFO news, and on our website you can get the latest
and greatest on a regular all the time. So and there's always something going
on. And every week on the show, we bring on our news correspondent,
Jason McClellan to talk to us about some of that news. Jason,
let's talk some UFO news buddy. Thank you, Alejandro. This is your
Open Minds news brief for Monday, June sixth, two thousand and eleven.
On May twenty sixth, the ABC News news program called Nightline featured a confrontation
between Annie Jacobson, the author of the controversial book about Area fifty one that
is still making worldwide headlines, and ABC reporter Bill Weir. In her book,
Jacobson claims that an anonymous source told her that UFO parts recovered from the
nineteen forty seven Roswell crash were actually from an advanced German aircraft, and that
bodies recovered were actually children that had been mutilated by Joseph Mangele, the infamous
Nazi physician who had performed gruesome human experiments during World War Two. The anonymous
source further stated that Joseph Stalin had flown this craft over the US and with
mangled children in order to trick the Americans into thinking this was a spacecraft wn
by extraterrestrials, inciting a mass panic similar to the one caused by the airing
of the radio program The War of the Worlds. Jacob's arranged to have Weir
talk to this anonymous witness. However, Weir says the witness told him that
he did not make all the claims laid out in the book and described the
gentlemen as in his late eighties. It seemed obviously confused and confro lickted,
Yeah, I don't. We're of course very used to this in the UFO
world, talking to witnesses who claimed some extraordinary things, but of course not
seeming to be completely with it themselves. I would imagine since she's been a
journalist for that's the thing for so long, she probably knows better, and
we're was kind of telling her that, you know, you know better,
this isn't journalism. So it looks like she might have been just adding that
whole kind of cherry on top just to sensationalize her book. And it works
because she's sure did get a lot of coverage. It certainly seems that way,
and it's really unfortunate. But yeah, the ABC did a really good
job of kind of calling her out Washington Post, I mean, really bashed
her on the fundamentals of the claim, how it doesn't make sense or you
know, if this was an extraordinary craft, you know, where is this
technology now? And it's interesting because she even mentioned how the witness Annie Jacobson's
witness said, oh, yeah, well we have this stuff, we have
Harber's stuff and everything like that, which, of course he's saying was developed
from some of this. And so they really kind of took the whole argument
apart, regardless of now the credibility of the witness, which himself doesn't seem
like he accurately remembers things either, right, And you put that in an
article, And we also have the video on our website of that ABC interview,
So check that out at openminds dot tv. In other news, Oh
yeah, In other news, three fast moving lights in the sky above Oakland,
California, were captured on video on May twenty sixth, As The Daily
Mail reported, the video was uploaded to YouTube by the witness who also captured
similar lights in the sky in May and June of twenty ten. In the
May twenty sixth video, the lights move in a tight triangle formation through the
night sky at nine forty pm. The witness who recorded the night vision video
describes the lights as a UFO squadron. Based on video, it's difficult to
determine if the three lights are from one object. Or from three independent objects.
Some who have viewed the video have suggested the objects in the sky might
be a flock of birds, according to The Daily Mail, The witness has
responded, for all you bird lovers out there, you can call them geese
if you like, but I will only laugh at you. But we and
others have looked at different video. They're actually you can't go on our website
and see video of flocks of birds flying in the sky. And this is
kind of interesting, all hunra. I mean, birds at night through night
vision look very interesting in the sky, but they don't tend to keep this
tight triangle pattern that this particular video shows. Yeah, I mean we posted
one of the videos we posted are some birds in a triangular or enough formation
and they fly somewhat together. They're more of in a line. It's I
think, very very slight. I can't shut the door on this latest video
birds because I you know that it's a really tight formation and they're all moving
together, which I don't see how birds could do that. But because of
that other video being slightly similar, maybe not, I don't know, but
you brought up some good points that there are other lights in this video.
In addition to the tight triangle formation. Yeah, and these lights don't just
move together in a group. One was stationary and then started moving in a
direction. Oh yeah, those were the Ed Grimsly ones right right, right,
yeah, now, and right exactly when you look at these bird ones
Ed Grimsley's his were blown off by MSNBC as being birds by this Radford and
who works for Skeptical Inquirre and someone else from Skeptical Inquire. But right one
sitting there perfectly still, then it takes off, one is going in the
direction, slows down and turns completely around. I mean, it's here again,
doesn't look like birds. And then the older one, the one from
Fresno in or Fremont in two thousand and eight, that is five lights in
a perfect formation. Definitely not birds. So I mean, these could be
some kind of secret aircraft or something like that, but they're much much more
interesting and intriguing than especially the skeptic for MSNBC keeps putting on. If you
haven't done it, I highly recommend either getting or borrowing night vision equipment and
checking out the sky at night. There's some cool stuff going on up in
the sky. You see a lot of weird stuff I've seen a lot.
You see so many satellites, and you know, with some of them,
it's hard to follow these things, so you have to get experience. I've
seen things zooming around really fast. I haven't seen anything do like a right
angle or or a turn or anything like that. But that's typically because I
lose them fairly quickly because I don't have one myself, so it's usually barring
one I need to well. I mentioned before, I actually have gone out
with Ed Grimsley on one of his night watches and have seen these things that
do the right angles and the going in one direction, stop and then go
another direction. I have no idea what it is, but it's it's amazing
to watch, so it's incredible. I think this is where our breakthrough can
come if people get out there with their night vision and take enough video like
Grimsely and like these other two gentlemen, and you get that in front of
the experts. I mean, I think they'd be more hard pressed to come
up with answers. I think people tend to be a little little too not
lazy, but you know, rely on what other people have told us.
We mentioned this with NASA, how every week NASA seems to figure something new
out that they that we always thought they knew what was going on, but
they have no idea of their own. Oh they are all these giant planets
zooming around with no orbit. Well, yeah, you know more. People
need to pick up their own telescopes, their own night vision equipment and look
at this guy for themselves, because there's all sorts of crazy things going on
that we have no idea about and nobody's telling us about. In other news,
Stephen Greer, founder of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence,
has been charged in connection with allegedly operating a commercial venture on a national wildlife
refuge, according to the Outer Bank Sentinel, and is scheduled to appear before
the US District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina next month. Greer
has been leading ambassador training courses for nearly a decade, which a week long
intensive course is designed to prepare individuals for making peaceful contact with extraterrestrial civilizations.
These training courses have been held at a National Wildlife refuge in North Carolina for
the past four years, and because of this, Greer is being charged with
the operation of a commercial enterprise on a National Wildlife refuge, tresh passing on
a national wildlife refuge, and violation of daylight use only regulation, which prohibits
all night time activities on pe Island except fishing. No permit was obtained by
Greer or the organization to conduct business on the wildlife refuge, but, as
a spokesperson from the US Five and Wildlife Service told the Outer Bank Sentinel,
we don't allow and would not permit non wildlife dependent commercial recreation activities. Thus
would not likely issue a permit for a UFO program, commercial or otherwise.
Yeah, we got a response from c Set directly that we posted, and
I kind of feel bad for him because it sounds like they got bad information.
That they were told by someone who used to work for the park that
that person had secured the right permit and gotten the right permissions right, but
that person actually hadn't, and they trusted that person. So I feel bad
because they trusted this person. At the same time, they charged one thousand
dollars ahead for these things, so they probably should have checked with the park
themselves to clear this stuff. But it doesn't seem right that and I don't
think that that Fish and Wildlife person was accurate, and that they don't allow
people to do anything in the land that isn't wildlife related. Yeah, I
think you're right with that. But it is interesting that they seem to have
a daylight only regulation as well, and obviously skywatching would be at night.
Yeah, so if they forbid all night activities as well. Interesting how people
were able to get on the land anyway. Yeah, that's well, most
parks are like that where they have a sign up that says you can't be
here after dark. That's true, that's true. And I've done this,
I've organized these skywatches and usually you have to go and you have to get
permission, and some places won't let you and some places will. But yeah,
the quotes that they provided from the official theme like they were kind of
discriminating against the against UFO people because they said, really it doesn't matter,
we wouldn't give you a permit anyway. Yeah, that's not cool, not
cool at all. Well, I know you like movies a Lejandro, and
I know you're looking forward to this one. Super eighth is being hype up
through a variety of marketing efforts. A Super eight iPhone application was released last
month to let you create your own vintage movies with the Super eight camera emulator
and if that were cool enough, Paramount Pictures and the convenience store chain seven
to eleven have announced a super Right promotion that will be giving away a trip
to space. Seven eleven Chief marketing officer Rita Bergerhuff explained that the Superright promotion,
saying, not only will there be special prizes and a retro look from
the nineteen seventies at the stores in honor of the movie, this promotion will
rank as the largest ever for seven eleven, with an expected twenty one thousand
prizes distributed. Topping it off will be a suborbital spaceflight or grandest prize ever.
Even if you don't win the grand prize of a space flight, they
are still giving away ten zero gravity trips in cooperation with the company's space adventure.
Super eight hits theaters this Friday, and Alejandro, there you go.
Your dream is there? You can go to space? Yes, all I
have to do is drink slurpees. I need to go get my slurpey cup.
Anyways, I was really excited with the Simpsons movie when they did this.
I still have my Slurpy Simpsons cups. When yeah, made them quickie
marked. We had one of those in Denver seven to eleven that was a
quickie mark for a few weeks. Right, So yeah, pretty exciting.
And what if you go on this space strip, I would imagine it's the
Virgin Galactic one where because they're the most they're closest to being ready, where
you just kind of go up into space and come back. But that'd be
a lot of fun. The zero gravity one I'm not so sure about.
Yeah, you know, i'd take it. But more excited about the suborbital
flight. Yeah, totally, but I don't think they've announced a partner for
that. The only partner they announced for any of the space stuff was Space
Adventures, which is, you know, a space tourism company and they do
these these zero G flights right now. But I think they're one of the
companies that's working on, yeah, taking people into space. So yeah,
they're working on it. But some of these others, I think they're the
ones who are hooking up with the Russians, aren't they? Yes to do
the hundred and fifty million dollars one, right, that'd be cool. You
got to spend time on the space station, get blown up there by the
Russians. Yeah, but he had a lot of fun. Even cooler is
getting this free ride through seven to eleven. Yeah, yep, that's the
way to go. Paramount Pictures announced on Thursday that it acquired the rights to
make an animated adaptation of the Penny Arcade online comic strip The New Kid.
The Escapist explains that the plot of the New Kid comic strip is centered around
a boy and his father talking about how they are constantly forced to move from
planet to planet by his father's job, making the boy a constant new kid
at school. In addition to New Kid, Paramount is also distributing the upcoming
extraterrestrial related movies Super Aid and Transformers, Dark of the Moon, and is
also scheduled to distribute Paranormal Activity three, a Star Trek sequel, and a
movie about Area fifty one. So Paramount Pictures seems to be very into the
topic. But I guess this isn't a fantastically new theme concept for a movie.
But you know, and it's a it's again an each movie geared towards
children. It's about a boy who is the new kid in school. But
the school is a school filled with a classroom filled with extraterrestrials. So instead
of a lot of the movies geared towards children and everybody else that we watch
where a lone extraterrestrial comes to Earth, this has the Earthlink being the lone
human on a different planet. Mm hmm. So again, more more extraterrestrial
theme movies targeted towards children. Yeah, but that's been I mean there's all
kinds of I don't think it's a growing trend. Necessarily. There's tons of
cartoons for for a long time that have been around extraterrestrials. A good portion
of the cartoons out there, if you go watch and go see the cartoons
have aliens in them or an alien related. It's definitely a genre that's huge
when it comes to cartoons, right, Yes, and you and I have
had this conversation. We talked about Marvin the Martian and other things. So
you are right, it's been implanted in my brain since I was a wee.
Last Yeah, all right, well there was We have a cool photo
from from this past week. A man who recently was vacationing in the outskirts
of Kunming, China, accidentally photographed a UFO. He says he snapped two
photos of the scenery, and later, when he was reviewing the shots later
that night, he noticed three black dots hovering above the song Huaha Dam.
In the photos, he thought the largest dot looked like a butterfly, but
cunning UFO Research Society President Dang Yifang ruled out the that it was a butterfly.
He stated, it has a saucer of shape of a UFO. I
believe it is a UFO, but I can't confirm anything yet with just one
photograph. That's kind of a fun photo from last week. Yeah, it's
pretty background too, it is. It's a very nice photo. And he's
right, I mean, you look at it and it does sort of look
like a butterfly. One of those Yeah. Usually I say, you know,
especially if people don't see it, typically it's a bird or or something
or bug, because you know, you don't they zip by and you don't
think anything of it. That or something they created, right, Yeah,
that is one of the red flags. We've talked about that before when people
say, oh, I didn't notice it when I took the picture, but
I was reviewing it later and noticed this mysterious dot. But you never know,
I mean never know, I've done that myself, and a lot of
photos you go back and lock yarll, what is that yeah? Or more
often you take a picture of you and your friends and in the background there's
a weirdo with a weird face, and you're all, well, who's that
guy in my photo? That's in all the photos I take of you,
Alejandro, who's that guy? Well. In a continuing trend of government X
files, it's been a hot topic all these governments with their X files.
A lot of files have been released this year. Well, apparently not Australia.
There files have gone missing. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the
Australian Department of Defense has lost its X files. The Herald reportedly sought to
obtain files from the Department of Defense relating to UFOs via a Freedom of Information
request, but after two months of searching, the department was unable to locate
the files. The Herald reports that the department's FOY Assistant director informed them that
only one file could be located and the others had been destroyed. Another UFO
file showed up in the system, but again the FOI assistant director informed the
Herald that the files could not be located and Headquarters Air Command formally advised that
this file is deemed lost. Like in several other countries, defense officials in
Australia investigated and kept records of UFO sidings for decades. The Royal Australian Air
Force RAAF was charged with investigating UFOs or uas unusual aerial sightings reports. According
to Department memo Dysfunctions East in nineteen ninety six, after consideration of the scientific
records, suggesting that there was no compelling reason for the RAAF to continue to
devote resources to the recording and investigation of uas, Department of Defense heads decided
to stop taking UFO citing reports. In November of two thousand, according to
the Sydney World Morning Herald lost the files. That's fishy, yeah, and
I didn't get to read a whole lot about this, but I think one
of the reasons, and it can correct me because you probably read more that
they know these files were there is because one researcher had seen the files right
and in the past as part of his job or something, so they knew
that they existed at some point. You're right, some people had seen these
files that have gone missing, and even some like the person said, were
indicated in the system, but when they went to go to get the file
from where the system was telling them that the files lived, there was no
file. Yeah. That's awfully suspicious. That's very interesting. Maybe that was
Australia's way to just deal with the subject. We don't have to answer any
questions if we just lose the files filed in the shredder. Yeah. And
one last bit of news a Lejandro. This was something that just came out
today. There are rumors, and you've probably heard these rumors that during a
special screening of ET the Extraterrestrial at the White House in nineteen eighty two,
Ronald Reagan made a comment about everything in the movie being true. Well,
those rumors have now been confirmed by the film's maker, Steven Spielberg. In
an interview with Ain'ted Cool News that was published today, Spielberg was asked about
the Reagan rumors, to which he replied, he just stood up and looked
around the room, almost like he was doing a head count, and he
said, I want to thank you for bringing ET to the White House.
We really enjoyed your movie. And then he looked around the room and said,
and there are a number of people in this who know that everything on
that screen is absolutely true. Spielberg went on to say, I'm a little
bit of a ufologist. I was hoping that there was something more to the
joke than met the eye. I'm sorry to say. I think he was
simply trying to tell a joke. Yeah, that's really And you know what's
funny with this story too. I'm so excited about this story because I've always
been curious about this rumor. It's just been a rumor, so you kind
of put it on the back burner. I know Grant Cameron of presidentialufo dot
Com had gotten a letter from a friend who spoke to a friend of Spielberg's
who said that he confirmed it with Spielberg. But still that's kind of third
hand. So it's really exciting to not only get up firsthand because we have
the transcript like you just read from, but if you go to our site,
the guy at Ain't It Cool News also put up the audio recording so
you can hear Spilberg talking about it and his excitement about this whole event.
So it's really cool. This is just I think for me, this is
really exciting. I love this Spielberg stuff, and the idea of getting to
talk to him about UFOs and everything is just so exciting to me. Right,
And we've all known that, you know, he's definitely has an interest
in the subject because the majority of his films and television projects and everything to
deal with the subject. But to hear him refer to himself as a ufologist
is kind of interesting too. Yeah, that's really cool because he's been so
elusive, especially lately, about his belief in UFOs when it was obvious and
well he's always dodged this rumor too. Yeah. Yeah, so it's great
to hear finally you know what's going on. And then this whole was it
real or was it not? Is wasn't a joker? Was it not?
I mean, it's kind of exciting too, because what if it wasn't.
He said he was straight lift He just said it straight, so we couldn't
tell if it was a joke or not. But everybody laughed and he let
him believe it was a joke, So it's it's definitely interesting. And what
was really funny too, is later on and I thought, oh, here,
we're going to get to the meat of it because he said he did
get a one on one with Nancy and Ronald and then they did whisper something
to him, But it was just Ronald Reagan saying, why does the credits
on the movies have to be so long? They should be he can't they
just be fifteen seconds? Yeah, it's pretty funny, Yeah, really funny.
Well, just one of the great stories, one of the many great
stories from this last week, and you could read all about them on our
website Open Minds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. And that
is it for the news for today. I'm your Open Mindes news correspondent Jason
McLellan, and you've been breathed back to you all. Thank you, Jason.
That's right. We have so many exciting stories on the website, and
I've just was really happy with today's story about Spielberg, and of course you
can go to our site and read about it, listen to the audio,
and then we have a link back to to PRESIDENTIALUFO dot com where he has
a lot of information about Reagan and UFOs, and we also have a link
to a great story that Antonio wrote on our own website, which is actually
a great summary of Reagan and his UFO signings and his beliefs and stuff like
that. So a lot of information on all of this on our website,
and even more exciting is in our upcoming issue of the magazine Open Minds Magazine.
We have a little blurb on Hollywood and UFOs. We've gott an article
from Jason on all this Hollywood and UFO stuff. Ugliously, you can see
he's excited about this subject. But we also talked about dan Aykroyd Spielberg.
I'm Shirley McClain and Jackie Gleeson. So and we have a special photo that
we received from the Ronald Reagan Library that I really wanted to use in the
web today, but I didn't because we're saving it for an exclusive for the
magazine which is coming out, and then of course it's from the Reagan Library.
On it's out, everybody will have it and it'll be all over the
web. But it's pretty fun. Otherwise. You can come see those videos
that we've talked about, the one from Fremont Grimsly at Grimsley's video and all
these other night vision videos in our story about the media shining light on night
vision UFO videos and then several videos of birds, even one that does look
similar to some of these, so you can kind of determine for yourself.
And thank you to those people who are out there getting night vision of birds,
because it's always helpful to get video of things that could be UFO so
we can determine whether they are or not. And of course on everything else
that we talked about, you can read all about that too. However,
we've got a long interview with Joseph mcmonagle remote viewer number one, so let's
go ahead and talk to Jill. I am very happy to have Joe mcmonagall
on the show. Thank you very much for being here. Hello, Eleandre,
I'm glad to be here, yep. And one of the reasons we
have you on is for the MOUFON Symposium coming up here real soon, so
are excited for that. Yeah, I'm finishing up my presentation as we speak.
In fact, I'm very excited about coming out. This will be my
second trip in the second time that I presented at the MUFON conference and it's
a lot of fun. I've always enjoyed being out there for Yeah, there
should be a big crowd, so it's going to be pretty exciting. Uh
huh, what are you going to focus your talk on? Well, there's
a number of things I'm going to touch on prenomenantly. I'm going to be
touching on what we can expect in what we can expect in reality to be
confronted with in a full on communications with an alien species. And I want
to talk quite a bit about why I think we've probably already met these aliens
and the meaning behind some of the things that have been going on in the
alien arena, that kind of thing. Great, Yeah, that sounds really
exciting and in fact, you know, I think maybe we'll touch on that
in a little bit. But I was thinking of going back in history,
kind of going back to how this all started for you, and I think
what you were traveling the world's going off over the place in the Army,
is that correct? And then that's correct? Basically, I actually had a
UFO experience in my first assignment in the Army. I was in Army Intelligence
and my first assignment was a Luther in the Bahamas. I know it sounds
like a pretty tough place to be a sign, but I dutiful dutifull Lee
went to the Bahamas for eighteen months and served on a lutra and in that
period of time had an incident with my with the guy. I worked with,
a man by the name of Stephen Roberts, and he and I were
were basically illuminated by a UFO over some sand dunes one night during that During
that experience, we were both kind of framed in a very bright light coming
off the underside of a very large UFO hovering at about twelve hundred feet,
and we didn't know what to do. We were kind of like deer caught
in headlights. We just sort of stood there looking up. We had actually
started to night going to a double feature movie and then had gone to the
bar afterwards and had a few beers, so we were not completely intoxicated,
but we were not feeling any pain. But it really surprised us that it
sobered us immediately to be standing on these sand dunes on our way to our
quarters, taking a shortcut to our quarters, to suddenly be illuminated by this
very large metallic craft. And after a few seconds of being in this light,
very strong light, our perception was the light winked out and as our
eyes were adjusting, the UFO kind of shot away and disappeared over the horizon.
In retrospect, when I look back on it, it's very possible that
it actually could have just collapsed, you know, down to a very small
point of light or something, you know, hold it out of reality,
so to speak, and it would have maybe given the appearance of having shot
away very quickly. But I I don't know late sixties. This was in
nineteen sixty six timeframe, early nineteen sixty six, and we decided we went
back to the bar, and we decided we didn't want to discuss it with
anyone because we were very, very pleased with being in the Bahamas and not
in Southeast Asia at the time, and so we made a pack that we
weren't going to mention this to anyone. Unfortunately, the following morning, when
we both were awakened, we both had extremely bad sunburns. He in fact
was burned so badly he was aravat to Homestad Air Force Base in Florida,
WO, to the Army hospital there, I'm sorry, the Air Force hospital
there, and I was treated on a luthra. I was not burned as
badly because I was a diver and so I had an extremely good tan and
that probably protected me from the UV rays, but he was burned pretty good.
And they of course asked us how it happened, and we told them
what occurred, and they of course did not write that down anywhere. They
said that they weren't going to make a silly report like that. What's interesting
about it is in retrospect, I went and checked with the down range tracking
systems that we had on a Luthra that were part of the Cape Canaveral tracking
system, and they informed me that almost everything, every piece of equipment they
had in telemetry and radar, etc. Had been wided out for approximately eight
minute period when that occurred. So, uh, it was a huge energy
output that occurred at the same time. Now, in retrospect, given all
of your experiences, what is your perception of what happened there? Why why
this happened? Well, it's it's obvious to me that in order to in
order to travel star a star or planet the planet, it's it's not going
to be done with a fire away and it's uh, it's going to be
it's going to be done with a vehicle that has the capacity or the capability
to fold in and out of space time. Uh. In other words,
we're going to be dealing with aliens that use time machines and by virtue of
the fact that they can disappear at one star and reappear in another, in
other words, make the trip in a very rapid way or using a very
rapid methodology. Uh, they have to be time machines violate time space U.
If that's the case, then it opens an entire plethora of possibilities in
terms of what aliens might be. They could, in fact be ourselves visiting
ourselves from the future. It could be a civilization that developed on Earth that
might be visiting from the past. Or it could be true alien creatures that
have no consensus with us in any subject area. We just don't know.
It could also be that it's a that they hail from another universe completely kind
of a multi dimensional place other than where we reside in terms of physics.
So it opens up a lot of questions. Yeah, so this was the
beginning of your military career, and then years later, more than a decade
later, as your career is burgeoning, you've come back to America and you've
become remote viewer number one. How did you find out about this program and
how did you feel about being recruited into it. Well, those are all
very good questions, because if someone had actually walked me into a room and
said, we think you're psychic, would you volunteer for this program? I
would have said, what are you out of your gourd? If someone had
said, you know, everybody who thinks they're psychic in the room, raise
your hands, and you know, we all knew that if we had raised
our hands, our careers would have died on the spot, and you know,
our clearances would have disappeared, and we of course would have been cooks
or bottle washers or something the next day. But the way it actually happened
is they were a lot more nefarious. When I say they, the intelligence
people, were a little more nefarious in their search for psychics within the army.
They chose us, bringing us into a room and challenging us with a
lot of paranormal material reports in these paper articles and things, some of which
were classified at the time, and asked us how we felt about these things,
and did we think that having absolutely no knowledge about any of those things,
was it could be or was a threat to the United States. And
of course, after reviewing the material they presented me with I had to respond
truthfully and say that I felt it was a great threat to the United States
having for us to have no knowledge of, you know, what was behind
these kinds of phenomena, I felt would be a tremendous threat, especially if
another country had a capacity or capability that we didn't poss And so as a
result, I was sent to see some people where I was interviewed and they
felt that I should go to SRI International on the West Coast and be tested.
And I agreed to do that, thinking there's probably not a you know,
not a way, not a way that I could be involved in this.
And on arrival at SRI, I turned it turned out that in my
sixth dole line remote viewing tests, I had five perfect results in one near
perfect result. Wow, So that I was Stanford Research Institute all right,
exactly. So I was subsequently volunteered and became part of the Stargate it's now
known as the Stargate Project. So that was got quite a process and you
were very successful at it. Yeah, I was the first one recruited.
I was a remote viewer zero zero one, you know, a licensed to
kill. No, no, not really, but you know, I did
get the number one, since I was the first recruited. And then when
they realized if they gave zero zero two to the next remote viewer they recruited,
they'd be telling everyone how many remote viewers they had. So the next
viewer got three eighty two or three eighty five or something like that. So
I turned out to be the only double zeroe double low agent. Right,
of course, there's no significance to that at all. There were six of
us recruited in the original group. I believe three or three survive today,
and out of those six, we were all individually felt the military felt that
all six of the original viewers were exceptionally good viewers. And that's how it
proved out. Anyway, and the the course of our UH, our ability
to respond to specific taskings and missions of all the intelligence agencies in America.
Was this pretty shocking to you? I mean it seems, especially you know,
late seventies, you know, not too far from Vietnam, certainly on
people's minds, that a lot going on and a very conservative type of period
of time, and all of a sudden there's this there's this psychic program going
on. Well, yeah, it was. It was a very conservative period
and UH. But within the context of that, we were being tasked with
some very real world problems, UH everything from UH missing fighter bombers to UH
to agents or to kidnap generals, to UH terrorist organizations and UH. And
we were tasked double blind on these things, and we're able to in effect
provide sufficient information to rescue people who were being otherwise tortured. We were able
to locate and find things that other agencies spent literally dozens of months looking for
and we're unable to find. We would, for instance, a bomber that
went down over Africa. The CIA and the number of other agencies looked for
that plane for well over a year and we're unable to come up with any
data. And we found the plane in four hours. So it turned out
that the applications of remote viewing within the at least the purview of the intelligence
agencies was of extreme value to the government. Now, maybe you can explain
to people what double blind is and maybe a little bit about the process.
Yes, it's what makes remote viewing significantly different from just psychic functioning. Psychic
functioning is someone who may get insight to something by you know, just popping
up with information, having information just pop into their mind while they're discussing perhaps
a murder case or something. But in most cases they do know something about
what it is they're looking at. They may have some details about the murder
case, that kind of thing. At the time, the single greatest deficiency
in using psychics was the fact that you had the frontload them. That you
would give them information, and in many cases they would just sort of regurgitate
that information back to you in a different package, and so to show that
it was real psychic information remote the protocol for remote viewing was invented by SR
International, where they would task a psychic with producing information, but would maintain
that psychic in a double blind and a double blind scenario. In other words,
the psychic would be taken into a room. He would be sitting in
an empty table in an empty room, and a person would come in with
an envelope, say a double wrap to pick envelope which would have nothing written
on it, and they would drop it on the counter and they would say,
tell me what I need to know about what's in the envelope. Basically,
neither that person nor anyone else in the room with the psychic at the
time would have any information that was pertinent to the target. So the idea
was that it would force the psychic to actually use the psychic ability to obtain
any information at all about the target. What's astounding is and in most cases,
I say most cases, and at least fifty percent of the occasions it
was used, the psychic would produce pertinent information that was very good value or
at least important value to the subsequent solving of the problem. Now, one
of your books, your handbook I read, and I know you talked a
lot about the importance of feedback and practicing kind of could you explain that,
Yeah, practicing remote viewing is extremely important because basically every human being. We
know that every human being thinks differently. We are all brought up differently,
we all have different experiences, our minds all work differently, and the way
we frame information in our minds and use it is completely different one from the
next person. So you can't generally make a statement that says only this kind
of information will occur with someone at this particular point in thinking. You have
to allowed it that all kinds of possible information may pop up in somebody's mind.
The idea about being psychic is not so much the information popping up in
the mind, but the ability to understand the symbology of that information. What
does it mean when you get the image of a swimming pool, for instance,
It doesn't It almost never means that there's a swimming pool at the target.
But what it will mean is that there's a large containerized area, perhaps
some fluid that might be in the target area. And so you have to
try to interpolate how those symbolic pictures and things are popping into the mind.
Everybody does that differently, so the rules can't be hard and fast. The
only rules that you can really make about remote viewing is don't jump to conclusions.
Don't try to identify specifically what it is you're talking about. Just try
to give the barest facts, the minimum facts that come into the mind.
In many cases people are able to do that, and in some cases they're
not. The Only way to discern whether or not somebody is a world class
psychic or world class remote viewer is to have them actually do it. In
in order for them to become good at it, they have to practice it
in a repetible, fatable way. In other words, over and over and
over, until it becomes second nature. It's kind of like a mental muscle.
They have to exercise. Yeah, and you kind of learn how your
muscle or your brain works that way. Then huh, exactly, And so
it's very hard. Well, another person can't say this is a rule.
That's always hard fast. You know, if you get an image of an
inverted V, it always means a religious target. Well, no, not
necessarily. It may it may be so for sixty three point five percent of
the population, but the other part of the population, the inverted V is
going to be meaningful for something else. So it's only through practice that we
can we can learn the sort of this dynamic language of the mind, the
subconscious to the conscious mind. And in that language is dynamic, it changes
constantly, so practice is required. Even if someone is a world class remote
viewer, they still have to practice on a regular basis so they lose it.
It makes sense because then you can learn how to also translate, because
like you said, it's the pool. Then you can write maybe, uh,
because I've taken some some of the courses and stuff and seeing how different
people would do it. If you write water or fluid container as opposed to
pool, then when you find out what the target is, you can see
maybe it was a glass of water or Yeah, even more importantly, if
you're if you are putting down the details like cube ground level contains fluid,
fluid flows a certain direction, that kind of thing. Uh. Then when
that information is married up with other intelligence information, say an overhead satellite photograph
or uh maybe two or three reports from some one agents, then that information
may imply that there is an underground element to the target that no one knows
about. And then they can take adequate steps to re target using the kinds
of implementation or implements that might provide the specific information that you're looking for about
the underground portions of the target. That kind of thing. It's never used
alone. It's always used in conjunction with other intelligence intelligence information. But it
can prove extreme value that way. Yeah, And which makes sense because a
lot of people unfortunately are kind of out there quote unquote remote viewing and unknown
targets, and then they do talk about how they've discovered what's on the moon
and who makes crop circles and all of these. Yeah, you can't really
do that. You have to be able to you have to be able to
have something. You have to have something that you can compare the information to
that you can validate the information with. There's many techniques and methodologies for doing
that. It takes a lot of time sometimes to build target information or a
library of information about a target to the point that you can extraploit extrapolate sufficient
information of value. All of these are also bits and pieces of the techniques
that are married into married up with the actual remote viewing that makes remote viewing
a methodology that's worth using. People that don't understand all of these things or
don't have the sufficient man hours of research backing them up, you know,
will usually fail and any efforts that they may attempt. Yeah, I wanted
to get to I guess that we haven't talked about Ingo Swan, who and
from what I understand, it was an sr I who kind of had him
since he was a known psychic who I guess they were able to demonstrate had
a real ability on. Yeah, he helped them create the protocols. Well.
Ingo Swan was a psychic in New York and he became known to doctor
hal put Off, and doctor put Off brought him to SRI to study him,
and he became more than just a guinea pig or a subject. He
became a partner in research and helped helped to develop some of the remote viewing
protocol. A lot of the a lot of the things about remote viewing are
a direct result of some of the things that Ingo Swan did. For instance,
in the beginning, they used outbounders. That's where they sent people to
the actual target sites and targeted the people. Of course, that would have
been very difficult. If you're looking at a Russian classified area, you would
have to find someone who had access to that area and target them. They
found that to be very difficult. So Ingo said, well, what we
can do is we can use coordinates, you know, geographic coordinates for the
targeted area, and that seemed to work very well. The CIA, of
course, balked at that. They came around the first five months I was
a viewer working for the agency. They balked at the fact that their targets
were being given to me in geographic coordinates. And so we said, well,
that's fine, we understand you think Joe has a photographic memory and he's
memorized the world. Well that's fine, why don't you put the geographic coordinates
in a double raptopig se almblow and we'll just ask Joe to report on what
he finds important whatever location is identified inside the envelope, and that works just
as well. So you know, we went we made the let very quickly
into sealed envelopes. The process is really driven by two things. Intent.
That's the operational intent of the people making or inventing the target. What their
intention is, what they in their expectation for outcome. If you have an
intention to penetrate the underground area of an ICBM site and you have the expectation
that you will produce valuable information about that site, then that's precisely what the
remote viewer will do. How the target is identified within the envelope is really
not very material. Set intention and expectation. It gets the viewer to the
target interesting and then early on getting onto kind of back to the UFOs UFOs.
Surprisingly, when I was, you know, reading about remote viewing became
kind of a fairly common type of thing. I think every remote viewer I've
read about has had some sort of experience looking at this sort of thing.
And I think even the Ingo Swan had an unexpected run in when they at
the beginning of the program m when they were trying to remote view at a
submarine. Uh huh, there there's some interesting things about UFOs throughout the history
of the program. Uh. There of course was a great deal of interest
in UFOs, so there was a lot of targeting of the remote viewers on
UFOs. I have to say, however, that almost all the targeting of
UFOs was not bequest of the government, but at the bequest some of the
other viewers. So the viewers themselves were setting up blind targets for other viewers.
They were not being told or knew that they were working actually on UFOs.
During the history of the project, there was only one actual official viewing
of a UFO, and that happened to be a US Air Force target and
I was asked to be the viewer on that particular project. What actually had
happened is they in using some of the Air Force surveillance equipment to photograph a
target site in an Eastern Bloc country, they happened to capture an object at
about fourteen thousand feet in one of the photographs, and not knowing what it
was, they sent a negative of that wrapped in a double wrapped the pick
envelope to our office and asked us to target. I came up for targeting
at that time and did some very nice drawings of the actual the actual facility
that they had been taking photographs of. While doing the drawings of that facility,
I happened to state that I had a sense of something that just passed
in front of my face, and they asked me. The man who was
sitting with me thought that maybe I had seen the fast mover or the vehicle
that had actually taken the photograph, and he thought that would be really neat
if Joe could draw a picture of this classified fast mover, And so he
asked me if I would draw it, and I said certainly, And after
a few minutes of concentration, I ended up drawing an oblique circle on the
page and filling it in as what apparently was a saucer shaped craft. I
said the craft was at approximately thirteen thousand feet and was traveling at fourteen thousand
I'm sorry, traveling at four thousand miles per hour and had just finished making
a hard right hand turn ninety return in that photograph. In fact, in
three frames of the photographs, it did make a ninety degree right turn,
it was estimated to be traveling at approximately thirty nine hundred miles per hour,
and it was traveling at about eleven thousand feet. So that battle alone was
verified by the the analysis of the photo. And there was some other information
that I provided which I can't share, but was a very interesting target to
do. Wow, how did they react to that? Well, that's an
interesting story in itself. I having the clearances and whatnot, I immediately typed
out a request for my own copies of the photo and sent it into the
system. And when that floated around out there for about ten days, I
got a message to report to the commanding general, and my commanding general told
me that he wanted to know in the military, I'll see, it was
the Naval Intelligence Service at the time NIS, who was specifically charged with protecting
those photographs. They wanted to know why I had asked for copies of the
photographs that were missing from that particular file. So I was never able to
get copies of the photograph and they were pretty hot about finding out why I
was asking for photos that turned up to be missing. Oh wow, Yeah,
it turned into a more complicated situation than I had expected. So I
guess just to get an idea, because this is so interesting how the group
work. I mean it was set up when you started, I mean,
was there a period of to get things rolling, the whole department rolling with
their training for you and the rest of the group. And how long did
that last? Yeah, initially it was going to be a study project.
We were going we knew that at the time we were at war, in
a Cold war with a Soviet Union, and we knew that through our own
nefarious ways, that the Soviet Union was using psychics to target to target us,
and we had no idea how effective that was. But it bothered us
that we didn't know, and so a suggestion was made that the way to
find out, since we can't get someone into the Soviet psychic program, the
way we would do it is we would spend a three year period studying how
they did exactly what they did. We would use the first year to recruit
and train our own psychics exactly the way the Russians were being used. Then
we would spend the second year we would send those recruits out into the world,
and those would we would target things we knew about, like the BI
or the CIA, or the White house that kind of thing, and then
at the end of the second year, we would take all the materials that
we collected psychically and turn those materials over to a independent agency who would evaluate
the results and say, oh, this is approximately how good you did,
so this is probably how good the Russians do. In that way, we
would have some ground truth about their ability. Well. As it turned out,
no one knew what training meant, so we were pretty much just practicing
remote viewing. We did have the basic protocol for remote viewing down, so
we were doing practice runs with targets, local targets like air fields and fire
stations and things like that. And about three months in we had the Iran
te irantage problem where our embassy was taken over and they of course had no
way of monitoring what was going on inside the embassy. They asked a number
of us to They woke us up in the middle of the night before anyone
in America knew that the embassy had been taken over, and they asked us
to. They told us that an embassy somewhere somewhere in the world had been
taken over by terrorists, and we were asked to identify by photograph the people
who were kept as hostages because it had been taken over on a Sunday,
so nobody knew who was a hostage and who wasn't. We identified I think
it was sixty four people at the time, actually did some pencil sketches of
three of the people because there was no photo for them. It turns out
that those three people were later identified as CIA agents that it was in country.
Have we not drawn sketches of them, they probably would have died in
captivity. It turned out our accuracy was phenomenal in identifying the actual hostages.
So as a result, we ceased being a study group and were reoriented and
reactivated as a active collection facility, and that was approved and financed on a
year to year basis based on our abilities in what we were able to accomplish,
and as a result, we existed for twenty years and provided intelligence to
every intelligence organization in America over that twenty year period, to include five administrations
in the White House of an ad Wow, do you know what that?
The White House self like, I come to you guys for for work we
we did. We did work for the White House, the Secret Service,
the FBI, C I, A, D, E. A, d
I, A, n S A, UH, National Security Council, all
the intelligence agencies as a d O D to include the Coastguard. I mean
there was I can't think of a single intelligence organization that we didn't do work
for. Wow. Were there some groups I think I had read this that
came in and asked you to do work and you just you didn't know who
they were? Uh? Yes, there were some groups that did that.
Initially, h Initially they had a great deal of doubts about psychic the use
of psychics, and so they felt that even giving a hint as to what
group may have tasked the material would be giving too much information. So we
were asked to demonstrate our abilities by targeting information and coel envelopes provided by totally
unknown people. And in many cases, oh, actually in all cases we
were able to do that, demonstrate that we were able to do that.
In one case, I was personally asked if I could if I could track
a human being, and I said yes, And so the agency, which
I did not know at the time, provided me with a three x five
card with a single social security number written on it, and I was told
that that was the target individual. So I had no idea if it was
a man, a woman, a child, or what or where in America
they might be. And I was called randomly on three different occasions and asked
to describe with detail exactly where they were. On all three occasions that specific
spot in which they were standing was easily identifiable by my drawings. So as
a result, we got a lot more tasking from that specific agency, and
then eventually you guys went on to train train other groups. Well, that's
not entirely true. There was an attempt. There was an attempt made to
train remote viewers. There was some feeling Englo Swan had some ideas that he
could put together a training mechanism whereby he could train people who were not psychic
to be psychic, and an attempt was made to do that. It was
a six stage training mechanism. Only the first three stages were trained over a
period of eighteen months, and what we wound up with was no significant improvement
with any of the people that were being trained, so it was terminated.
Subsequently, what we discovered in that we discovered this through research is that all
human beings, regardless of background, race, place of birth, culture,
or anything else, all human beings are psychic to some degree or another.
That degree of psychic ability is differentiated by levels of personal talent. Just like
you would have someone who had sufficient talent as a baseball player to end up
the National Baseball League, so it goes with psychics. There are some who
have a natural ability or a natural talent that can excel and whereas most people
don't. Most people are just naturally psychic in a spontaneous way that you know,
it happens once in a while. Yeah, we've done, you know,
in the past and it years. I've been involved with a few different
things where with remote viewing exercises and with our move on in Colorado, there
was one individual who was just really good at it. Definitely showed that he
was more accurate, much more so than anybody else. Uh yeah, and
surprisingly in this also from research, I can tell you that if you were
to stand on any street corner and any random city on the planet and just
randomly grabbed two hundred people off the street, you would basically be grabbing one
world class psychic. If in that two hundred, Wow, that's a lot
of world class psychic out there, right, And so somebody would say,
well, where are they? You know, it's four hundred thousand in America
alone. Where are they, Well, they're the stockbroker who's making the right
guests on what investment to make sixty eight percent of the time or better.
They are the surgeon who intuitively does exactly the right thing when seconds are involved
in saving a life. They're the painter who has incredible skill at bringing paintings
to life. And that's who these people are. Yeah, makes sense.
Now. The video kind of portrays that Project Stargate was closed down because it
wasn't effective, which kind of doesn't make sense. Why would the program last
so long if it wasn't effective? And that doesn't seem to be accurate.
Exactly. Well, I got a I was aware of a legion Americ by
the Secretary of the Army for for providing Basically, I provided standalone intelligence of
national interest or hire in over one hundred and sixty missions as a remote viewer.
I will tell you that as an intelligence officer who spent nearly fourteen years
overseas, in that entire fourteen years, I was only able to produce a
single intelligence first in that entire time of six and a half years before I
retired from the Army, I was able to do that over one hundred and
sixty times as a remote viewer. So you do the math. That's a
phenomenal success as a intelligence officer. So yeah, it's true, very low
percentages. Our success rate was somewhere between eighteen and twenty percent. But the
difficulty is you have to look at what we were tasked with. The eighteen
and eighteen to twenty percent or eighteen to twenty two percent success rate we had
was with targets that no other agency could find a solution for. We didn't
even get them until many of those agencies that worked those problems for one or
more years, they were dumped in our lab and we were able to solve
twenty two percent of them. And that's a very low percentage, true,
but we were able to solve twenty two percent of those within hours. I
think that's significant, right. I mean, even if you consider a police
work, you know, if you have you're able to resolve just by using
these these these mesthods twenty percent of your full cases. That's better than not
solving them. Oh, that's incredible, that's that's absolutely fantastic. There are
police, I know, there are police departments who would build whole departments that
could do that if they could do that. So yeah, and there are
some other area other things about remote viewing that are not as commonly known are
as well known that that make it even you know, more important. As
an example, on nuclear targets, for example, remote viewers almost at least
some remote viewers almost never miss a nuclear target. So if you're if you're
looking for where's the nuke? You know which shell is the new kid under?
Well you want to remote view are looking for it because the remote viewer
almost never misses that question. So when it comes to your talk at move
On with UFOs and Extra Treastrials, is that you're remote viewing of UFOs giving
you the insight that you're using for this talk. It's given me a considerable
amount of insight in fact, and and a lot of an insight. I'm
using to address some of the problems that we may face if we were to
come in full contact with aliens, and that's kind of the gist of my
presentation. I'm going to speak directly to first what I know to be true
based on remote feeling, and what I think we could expect based on remote
feeling. So what are some of those things that you know to be true.
Well, i'd be giving it away. You need to come to the
move on conference to find out. H Yeah, but you got to give
them a little hint so they can be like, oh, wow, this
is great, I gotta go. Well, there's a lot. There's a
lot said, for instance about you know, almost almost everyone that has some
kind of direct alien contact experience uh deals with the large dark eyes in the
feature almost featureless face. And I can tell you from remote viewing that the
reason for that is because all aliens where what I would call a skin suit.
It's a very uh it's a very form fitted uh environmental suit which is
used to protect their uh, their senses, their uh smell, taste,
touch site, everything about how they are influenced buy our reality. The for
instance, the eyes have to be covered because many of the the biologic threats
that they would be facing within our our our environment would be uh very damaging
to them through the through the eyes, through the mucus of the eyes.
So they were they were these environmental suits, and the environmental suits are not
meant to hide them. It's it's meant to protect them and to give them
some some edge over uh over their normal uh ability when they're within our environment
within there, when they're within our uh uh bright sun are are you know,
our starry nights so to speak, versus their kind of a super advanced
space suits. Yeah. And and the other difficulty is catching them out outside
of one of those environmental suits. That does occasionally occur, but it occurs
when they're within their own protected an environment, which is their ship or their
vehicle. The vehicle is not particularly well suited for deep space travel, but
then it doesn't have to do deep space travel. It only has to do
a fold in and out through time space. So, but the but the
inside of their vehicle does protect them, does protect them to a great extent
from the multi variant diseases and viruses and things that we have on our planet
that they would become very quickly victim to. Mm hmm. Now I've heard
that you've done some help with crash retrieval type of work. Do you believe
that their craft have crashed on occasion? Yes, I believe they have.
Here's here's some facts that that I know from hands on. I've been to
at least twelve known crash sites where many people believe UFOs have crashed only one
of those actual crash sites. Do I believe in alien vehicle crashed. There's
a substantial evidence, through investigation or post investigation, that many of those crashes
were our own vehicles, our vehicles of our own creation. Does that include
pardon, does that include Roswell. I don't think a crash appened at Roswell.
I think that's a watched the birdie thing. It's it's interesting to me
that every time, every time serious discussion begins surrounding the I'm not going to
remember it now, the crash in there was another area in Mexico where the
Roswell one happened, or a different crash. No, it's a different crash
site entirely. I can't. He has to forgive me. I can't remember
the site Augustine. And but whenever serious discussion arises about that particular crash site,
all of a sudden, Roswell pops up and everybody starts discussing Roswell again,
and the Air Force starts passing on information, and there's all kinds of
stuff about Roswell. And I think Roswell is a distractor. It's meant to
distract us from the actual crash site may huh at no, No, it's
a different one than that. Okay, ies real one. Yeah, from
the actual the actual event, it's of importance. The The other thing which
is interesting to me is the uh Uh it's very difficult, for instance,
uh targeting targeting an alien craft. It's very difficult in the first place because
I think they have a very clear sense of women are being targeted psychically.
Uh So. Uh a psychic is generally given something to keep them busy.
Uh. In my case, I've they continually give me boxes within boxes.
So uh for instance, I started out with an with a sort of an
impression of uh in kind of a y three lines all intersecting, and uh
it took took six months for me to figure out that what I was seeing
was the inside of an empty corner of a box or an empty box.
Uh, the inside corner of an empty box. And uh So they do
things that that are kind of like, you know, hand the kid a
rattle and maybe he'll get involved and and be distracted. So uh Uh there
are there are ways around that, and the ways around it are to uh
target target things where they don't expect you to be, and that would be
at some of the sites in which alien vehicles might be spotted uh, in
all of the tens of thousands of sightings uh, in order to target one
that actually has real aliens involved in it. That's a pretty daunting task,
you know, uh, which ones are for real and which ones aren't so
uh. Preliminarily speaking, remote viewing can be used to sort of weed out
the the less uh, the less real from the real uh. And then
once you've done that, then you can sort of get down the business and
target real sights and and get more information. And that one of the two
twelve sites where you believe it was a real crash. Why did the object
crash? The object crash because it collided with another vehicle with a plane,
and the plane the plane basically uged in and exploded on the desert floor.
This is in nineteen fifty And the actual vehicle itself, it was witnessed by
two miners, and the vehicle itself skipped along the ground like a frisbee.
It actually ricocheted off the ground two or three times before coming to rest nose
first into the side of a hard rock kind of mesa. And if you
go there today you can actually see the imprint of the circular outer edge of
the oplique oblique vehicle just as it just as it had been impacted into the
side. See where the stone has been blasted away in all directions. And
then you can see the ashual heavy track marks of the military vehicles that came
in to remove the vehicle from the area. Of course, they're much well
printed in the area nearer to the crash than they are where they were just
simply driven in off the tractor trailers. But the evidence is still there.
It's the middle of a desert where it never rains, and you can still
see the mining equipment and the digging equipment and buckets and things that the miners
had, so you know all the facts at up and except there's nothing there.
But it's a very real site for me because it feels different from the
other sites which don't seem to be one hundred percent. They never seem to
be quite one hundred percent. Is this a well known crash or one?
Maybe that's in Ryan Woods book? Uh, it's I will tell you it's
in Ryan Woods book. Uh huh? Did he write about your experiences with
that in the book? I'm not I'm not going to say one way or
the other, because I haven't, I haven't. I don't know which one
we're talking about, So okay, gotcha, Okay, yeah, that sounds
pretty interesting. I know in the fifties two, I was reading in Jim
Mar's book that you had remote viewed UFO math sighting in Tacoma, Washington.
That's correct. Yeah, uh huh. And I was targeted on a mountain
near Tacoma, Washington because everyone thought there was an alien base, an underground
alien base there, and but what in fact I found was and did actual
drawings turn out to the very accurate drawings. When I did the drawings,
everybody said, though, it's got to be an alien base, nothing like
that ever existed on the Earth. And many years later, I think twelve
years later, what it's turned out to be is an over the horizon radar
site, and it, of course is a top secret facility for twenty years
because no one knew you could look over the horizon with radar because it's the
line of sight. So my drawings are very accurate though for the actual site
itself, the facility itself, So there are bizarre things that you do pick
up on that you can see and say, oh, those have got to
be alien, that can't possibly be us, when in fact it is us
and we just don't know about the technology. I think my last question will
be do you think that the Stargate program probably could have continued but gone even
more clandestine? No, I don't think it has. Uh, I know,
right, I don't think it has. And the reason I don't think
it has is, uh, even when it was operational, we had as
many distractors as we had friends. Uh. It was going going to work
every day. It was like a knife fight in the phone booth. And
didn't know who your friends were, your enemies were. And it's just too
big a a target. Uh. Any politician involved who would have their careers
ruined over it because they were believing, uh end quote in that psychic that
funky psychic stuff. Generals were put off by it because uh nobody, nobody
in their sane or right mind would buy into that stuff, that kind of
thing. Uh. But on the other hand, we had some very powerful
senators and some very uh, very interesting operational people down at the down at
the agent level who believe very very much in what we were doing and used
our information all the time. So no, I don't. I don't think.
I don't think it continued. I think it was ended. Gotcha.
Well, thank you so much for being on the show. Really intriguing.
I'm very excited to hear your talk and move on. I hope I can
catch it. If no, I'm definitely going to get the DVD. All
right, definitely definitely be there. It'll be fun. Yeah. I suggest
everybody come and enjoy it, and then your website's Emcyeagle dot com. That's
correct. All right, great, is there anything else you wanted to share
with listeners? No, no, just come to the event and hear my
talk. It'll be fun. All right. Great, Well, thank you
so much. You're welcome. Have a nice day. All right. You
will be able to see mister mcmona go, myself and some other of our
open Minds peeps at the event he was talking about, which is the mouf
On Symposium in July twenty ninth through the thirty first in Irvine, California.
So that's going to be a lot of funmofon dot com to find out more
about that. And as you heard in the interview, Joe does have a
website and several books. Very very interesting stuff, especially if you are interested
in remote viewing and how to do it yourself or at least see if you
have any abilities that way. You can read some of his books and that
handbook that he talked about, the handbook for remote viewing that he did,
is very helpful, especially for getting to the details and the things like the
feedback like he talked about in the exact protocols and really what they did to
do what they do. But as he says, you know, you really
got to be able to know if you're accurate or not and find that out.
And one of the coolest remote viewing exercises that I've done and remote viewing
classes do, is you just get some pictures and you can get together some
friends and maybe put some pictures on your laptop. And of course you as
a facilitator wouldn't be able to participate, but then you get these pictures on
your laptop and you have people do remote view and you know, get a
book or something so you can know the protocols when they do those protocols,
don't show them the picture, of course, and then display the picture and
see how accurate people were describing the pictures that they're going to see and you'll
have some amazing results and you'll find there are some consistencies where some people are
better at it than others. So it's very interesting and it's a lot of
fun to do. We're out of time. Thank you so much for joining
us on Open Minds Radio. Next week. I'm not quite sure who we're
going to have. I'm shuffling around a few people. Definitely can have Ted
Loader even either next week or the next. And he's a PhD. And
we talked about the physics of UFOs and things like that. And I'm talking
to astronaut Story Musgrave who had his own UFO sighting and it talks about UFOs
and stuff, and so I have been talking to him. He's a busy
guy, so hopefully we'll be able to get some time from him. So
we got a couple of exciting interviews coming up, and you'll have to wait
and check out our website. In the next couple of days, we'll post
who will be next week, but we'll be here with the show and it'll
be a great guest, So don't forget to be here yourself. Thanks for
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