WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:06.200 Steve Rivera and Jakin Salles. They have their eye on the ball on two 2 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:11.400 Suns Sports Stage. Ya, Fox Sports fourteen fifty streaming live. I mean, 3 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.279 I heart Radio Whip. They welcome back to I on the Ball here 4 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:18.640 on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, you're Jakin's all saying we 5 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:23.920 have some breaking news. This is high on the ball breaking news on Fox 6 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:28.760 Sports fourteen fifty. All right. We did mention this a time or two 7 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:33.039 in the conversation, but didn't really go into it. Arizona State has renamed 8 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:41.280 Sun Devil Stadium. Yeah, Mountain America Stadium after the it's a it's a 9 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:47.880 fifteen year naming rights deal with Mountain America Credit Union. Actually it's technically Mountain 10 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:52.600 America Stadium, home of the a SU Sun Devils. Who the only ones 11 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:57.119 we're gonna call it that are broadcasters because they know they have to these advertisers. 12 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.320 But you're not calling that. I'm not calling it that. A lot 13 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.439 of other people have said there, have come on and come around and said 14 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:07.599 that they're not calling it that. But I haven't heard the terms of the 15 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.760 deal. But you know, money's money, right, right, we'll talk 16 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.640 to Uh, we'll talk to Doug about it. To Doug Hollar, was 17 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.439 that that? As? That was? At that the press conference, mont 18 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:22.400 Jody Ayler tweeted out, our frequent guests will always be Sun Devil Stadium. 19 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.799 Mountain America's gonna paying me money, so it remains Sun Devil Stadium on the 20 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.560 show, Uh, somebody named Andrew Joseph. Everyone is still calling it Sun 21 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:34.599 Devil Stadium. John kanzowno Sun Devil Stadium it is. Uh. So, 22 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.280 you know, it's it's hard to come in sure on a deal like that, 23 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.439 like like like the ballpark, like the baseball field up there, it 24 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:45.799 was Bank One Ballpark originally. So a lot of people that still Bank America 25 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.000 America America West Arena. How many years ago was that that you've been You've 26 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.359 been on that side of the corporate Well, I was. I was at 27 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.840 at two Sun Electric when I my my my time there. People still I 28 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:59.200 was in the naming rights deal. I was. In fact, it was 29 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:01.480 myself and a guy from the Diamondbacks who called it that. I mean, 30 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.480 it wasn't rocket size you call it that, but that's you know that we 31 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:07.439 came up with the name. To this day, people still call it. 32 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:13.120 It's Keeno State, Keeno Memorial Stadium. You say Keeno Stadium to somebody to 33 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.520 go, where's that electric Park? Oh? Yeah, I remember you've been 34 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.599 able sense where you asked them to put that in the name of it, 35 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.520 right, and it's and newspaper people or depends who they are, the media 36 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.439 won't do that. And it's because it was the first name, right bank 37 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:30.280 one ballpark with the first name now the Cardinals Stadium. I don't even remember 38 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:34.840 what the first name of that was. Wasn't Phoenix, Wasn't the University of 39 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.599 Phoenix Stadium? Or is it State Farm? What is it? And you 40 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:39.639 know what it is? Now right there? It is. That's part of 41 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.840 the deal. It's like, okay, huh you know, uh, you 42 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.360 know it's where the place where the Cardinal's going to die. Yeah, and 43 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.360 I you know, and I imagine that if if they somebody came along and 44 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:53.560 wanted by the naming Rice Arizona Stadium, people still going to it. Yeah, 45 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.439 Michael Center will always be Michaelson Change. I don't think they'll ever do 46 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.639 that. Well, who are they gonna do it? What exactly? I 47 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.840 mean, if you're if you're a company wanting to buy the naming rights. 48 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:07.199 You know, people aren't going to use I mean, yes, we'll will 49 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.240 you know, in the in the program, will let's say, you know, 50 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.400 YadA YadA YadA stadium or you know, on a on a on a 51 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:20.199 tweet or whatever, but people in conversation aren't gonna call it the name of 52 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.560 the stadium. Brian Jefferies would have to yeah, yeah here, you know, 53 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.319 we're here from you know, Casino Del Soul Stadium. He would have 54 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:31.039 to. Ye. But outside of those guys, right, it's Arizona Stadium 55 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:35.400 and that so there's we'll talk to Doug about about that. Uh about that 56 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.159 a little later when he's coming on at about three twenty or four twenty. 57 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:44.639 Um, all right, well, two more Arizona guys on national award watch 58 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.560 lists. Um that that brings their number to six, which I don't know 59 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:52.280 if I ever remember that happening, right, I want to you know? 60 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:58.639 Um uh Tyler loop uh was put on the lou Groza Award watch list, 61 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.599 which is the best you know placekicker h in the country. Uh a um, 62 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:15.240 an award that Steve McLoughlin won back in no right after I finished Ye 63 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:20.040 yeah, yeah. Um, So that and then um, Kyle Austin Dorp 64 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.720 the putter, he's on the Ray Guy Award watch list for the country's best 65 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:29.879 punter. And then to review we've talked yesterday, Jordan Jordan Morgan and Jonas 66 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:35.680 Savana both on the Outland Trophy watches for best Lineman. And then um Jade 67 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:40.439 Delora and Jacob Cowen on the Maxwell watched this. Yeah, that's you know, 68 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:45.079 Arizona getting some love nationally. I mean whether or not those guys actually 69 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:47.519 win any of those awards or get to the Semis or whatever, but they're 70 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.079 being named. Let me ask you this, and it's a dumb question too, 71 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:54.279 and I know I'm gonna get a good answer. Uh. I think 72 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:57.800 I know the answer. I know the answer. Um. So we're hearing 73 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.600 all these names and there are all these lists, uh, and we know 74 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:05.120 that the tell us better. We're doing it because it is and I know 75 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:10.560 it is. But it was so bad. It's so bad that now we're 76 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.720 just happy that they have guys, you know what I'm it was so extream 77 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.680 to one side. Wait wait when you when you say that they're getting on 78 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:20.319 these lists because it was so bad, Well no, no, no, 79 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:27.680 no, it's very obviously paying attention good because they had when that guy when 80 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.600 who was a washerman said that one in a thousand, yeah, one top 81 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.639 one thousand player, And in some of the time you're thinking, holy what 82 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:39.720 the hell was he doing? And now that was zero that was like zero 83 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.519 effort. Now you have all this effort and you're thinking is it bad obvious 84 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.399 how bad it was, or is just this good? Well? I think 85 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:47.879 that you know, they've got players who have done some things right. Jane 86 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.879 Delora was one of the top ten passing quarterbacks yardagewise in the country last year. 87 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.360 Jacob Colley, you know those guys are Jordan Morgan is you know that's 88 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:00.279 because the NFL seasons is a top round draft pick. Jo Jonas Savin add 89 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:02.680 a great year because George Morgan wasn't around. Um, you know when he 90 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.000 got after he got hurt. So UM, I think it's that they're they're 91 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:11.879 you know, they've got better players. But I think I don't know that 92 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:17.560 you can put a value or you can't deny that what jet Fish does to 93 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:25.120 get his team visibility um helps in all this. Right, He's out there 94 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.160 constantly plugging the team. You know, nationally, he's got you know, 95 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.560 he's got you know, coaches and stuff. I mean, he does a 96 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.399 really good job of trying to generate visibility for the program, which I think 97 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.879 has a lot to do with that. And maybe because Arizona hassle bad people 98 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.040 a saying yeah, we'll give him some love, because I think that's that's 99 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.079 what they're doing. So no, I think it's a I mean, I 100 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.000 certainly think that's a that's definitely a piece of it. Um. All right, 101 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.680 So this happened a couple of days ago, but there's been a lot 102 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:56.160 of reaction to this. But ESPN announced that they were getting rid of laid 103 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.439 off Jeff van Gundhi, then off Mark Jackson, two of the guys that 104 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.680 with Mike Breen were on the NBA Finals team, broadcast team and throughout the 105 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.839 season, and so they've broken that thing up. Mike Breen is still around, 106 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:11.959 but they've hired Doris Burke and Doc Rivers to become the guys or to 107 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.560 become the rest of the team. There's a lot of a lot of negative 108 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.600 reaction to this because people like Bark Rivers, sure, they like Jeff Van 109 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.360 Gundy. You know, why are you getting rid of these guys? Just 110 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:26.439 took place, you know, it was something wrong or what Mike Breen. 111 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:32.199 Uh. Today I had some comments on a dot com story saying it's sad. 112 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.279 We really thought we had something special and we were able to do it 113 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:39.560 a lot longer than anybody ever. Did you don't expect it because it was 114 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.639 such a great team, or to have it completely broken up was a surprise. 115 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.399 Oh, it's very obviously the espans going to a fire sale. Yeah, 116 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:47.759 through all these people. Did you see all the list yesterday? Had 117 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.959 the complete list dudes that I didn't even remember. Did even know that they 118 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:56.839 had so many people trying to cost cut on so many levels? Pick and 119 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:00.920 didn't we say this yesterday or the day before. It's very obviously they're trying 120 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.720 to find trying to find a different buyer or just trying to get rid of 121 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:05.240 them right somehow? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're they're trying to sell 122 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.199 all pieces of it. You know. Uh I think uh, I actually 123 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:15.800 think Apple was the was a company that was involved in discussions, and I 124 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:20.399 don't think they're gonna do it. But uh anyways, Um, we've been 125 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.519 talking about all the realignment stuff because we've been movies. We've been focusing mostly 126 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.240 you know Oregon, Washington now Callen Stanford possibly, you know, being looked 127 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.279 at by the Big ten. And then you know you got the four corner 128 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.559 schools with Arizona, you know, going to Big twelve. Now Florida State 129 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.879 is saying, yo, we want some you know, they've been saying they've 130 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.919 been talking about this a little bit, but it's gotten serious now. And 131 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.799 um the uh the the pre as the president of that athletic director um at 132 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:52.480 uh at Florida State has said, you know we think uh it was it 133 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.600 was the Florida president. He said, I believe that FSU will have to 134 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.279 at some point consider very seriously leaving the SEC unless they're a radical change to 135 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.559 the revenue distribution. And what they're saying is that there's like a handful of 136 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:11.919 schools in the ACC now their contract, their TV deal goes through twenty thirty 137 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.960 six. They got nowhere to go, but Florida's State and and Clemson, 138 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.120 a couple other school Virginia are saying, wait, we bring in most of 139 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.639 the money. It's because of us, sure that we're genuinely most so we 140 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.080 feel we should get more. But they're locked into this contract and as of 141 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.440 now, the acc administration is saying sorry that this is the contract. We 142 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.799 all signed it. Everybody signed it. Too bad in Florida State saying well, 143 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.039 you know what, we might have the money to get the hell out. 144 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.639 The question is who who wants the who wants them? Who wants Nobody 145 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.679 has come on and said we want Florida State. Well, they'd be appealing 146 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.799 to a lot of people obviously, but but not by themselves though. But 147 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.000 you got to go into right, Yeah, well most of the most part 148 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.440 we'll see would be the second one. That's why that's why there's so much 149 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:05.759 some much talk about because you know the big twelve after Oklahoma, Texas will 150 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:07.679 be at thirteen. They need another team. And then they're saying, well, 151 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:13.080 if we go fourteen, maybe we'll go sixteen. It's not over, 152 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.679 thankfully. We got a long way to go for go ahead. What was 153 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:22.960 the last time you wrote run one hundred meters? Oh forever? Um? 154 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.519 I'm talking about do you did you see that there was an international one hundred 155 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.200 meter race last night or a couple of days ago, and um, and 156 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.080 one of the runners was was a dude? Was it was a person a 157 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.120 female like you were me running against these fast women, because it was from 158 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:43.039 a country, from a country that just I guess didn't have anybody to run 159 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:46.480 any Oh yeah that No, you didn't watch it, Yeah, it was 160 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:54.919 heard. It was a similar thing in the hurdles about a month ago, 161 00:10:54.480 --> 00:11:03.240 where the same thing an international competition and I shot putter ran the hurdles so 162 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.720 that the team wouldn't be disqualified from the competition. So now somebody did that 163 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.320 with one hundred I didn't. I don't want to see. I think I 164 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.279 ran. I ran one hundred meters against the guy because we just got into 165 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:18.120 an argument at our Turkey Bowl one year. But it would have been like 166 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:24.440 nineteen eighty two. Yeah, from from Somalia. They apologize for putting someone 167 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.440 in there. I guess it might have been a relative of the ambassador. 168 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:31.120 And now they're apologizing because it was was it was bad, It was bad. 169 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.279 Yeah, no I don't. Yeah, there was a similar situation. 170 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.720 I'm gonna say about a month ago. He was at the University Games apparently. 171 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.519 Yeah. Yeah, so all right, we got about three minutes. 172 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:52.480 So here we go. Steve Um best state, according to go higher on, 173 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.440 they are on the ball. Yeah, who the gentlemen, you know 174 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:03.360 you're talking about all these mergers. Everything an acquisition, and when you were 175 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:11.320 talking earlier about you know the old Bear downs, GM and Arizona Stadium. 176 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:18.360 These mergers aren't for my generation or the next generation behind me. These people 177 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:24.720 are looking for the money that's going to come in two or three generations that 178 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:30.399 will follow up. I think I know who this is. How old are 179 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:37.320 you man? How old are you? You know? I say, I 180 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.799 say to my son. We are no longer the demographic. No we're not. 181 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:48.200 Um, you know, I belong to ben gay Society and the band 182 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:54.919 aid and the rap Cura chrome. Yeah, so this is what actually remember 183 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.919 I remember said the not hope of them at the south end of the eighty 184 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:05.480 footballs so so were down. So let's assume it. They don't care about 185 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.240 us. No, you're true. The thing is you're the ones that would 186 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.240 start with the money. Kind of we still have money, someoney in our 187 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.480 pocket. Yeah. But guess what the new generations about T people and Apple 188 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:22.840 and all these tech companies. Um, they're doing their homework. They're not 189 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.519 moving. They're dancing on this expecting anything immediate future. They're looking at d 190 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:31.080 fifteen years down the road. Yeah, you're probably right, people that will 191 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.879 be able to sponsor teams and do all this other stuff. Well, well, 192 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:37.279 let me ask you. Even though the new we got about a minute 193 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.519 and we gotta go, Rick, but what about the new the Apple and 194 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.720 the streaming stuff. That's the future. There's undeniable, right, we just 195 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.639 don't want it, right, there's too many of us still around, right, 196 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.960 No, it's just too new for us now. Yeah, and I'm 197 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.440 not gonna watch it on Apple, right, I'm gonna watch Fox and CBS 198 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:03.519 and NBC and AB or whoever U and ESPN. But you have to look 199 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.320 at the reality is as they say, they don't care about us anymore. 200 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.080 Yeah, you know your arm percent correct. If you need somebody to walk 201 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.120 you across the street, I'm here. I'm here for you. All right, 202 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:16.279 Hey, Rick, we gotta go, man, we gotta gotta get 203 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.679 to the break. We've gotta bring on Doug Holler. So thanks for calling 204 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.279 you guys. All right, all right, let's take a take our break. 205 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.840 A Doug Holler is going to come on from the athletic up in Phoenix. 206 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:28.840 He was at the press conference today and I think there were some questions 207 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.399 to Ray Anderson, the ASU Athletic director Oh about all this re alignment stuff, 208 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.759 Well, we'll pick his brain on. 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You racked up some mileage yesterday, came down self, took 273 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.839 a lot of five degree temperature decline, which is great. You're welcome. 274 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:27.039 How was yesterday for you? At the immedia day? It was good. 275 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.359 I mean, you know, I went down there. I mean my intention 276 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:34.599 was to go down there. I planned to go down there just to you 277 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:40.920 know, see where Arizona is going into year three of Jetfish. But obviously 278 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.240 there were a lot of other topics to pursue with all the PAC twelve on 279 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.880 Ferndy, so it was good to be there for that as well. So 280 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:55.440 and a lot of conversation I was gone around that it's not just Arizona possibly 281 00:19:55.599 --> 00:20:00.480 Utah and a su So tell us what you think or what you yield is 282 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.880 the situation up at a scuse. Up to now, Ray Anderson has said, 283 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.559 we want to stay in the PAC twelve. You're we're not going anywhere. 284 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.680 But they have to be changing their mind about that. No, I 285 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.680 don't. I don't think that part has changed. They do want to stay 286 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.880 in the PAC twelve. The question is can they stay in the PAC twelve 287 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:26.400 given with the meteorite situation. You know, Michael Crowe, the president, 288 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:33.559 has always felt that Arizona State was better aligned with the PAC twelve institutions, 289 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:38.559 being a West Coast school. It does not surprise me that they've kind of 290 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:45.440 waited behind some of the other schools in the PAC twelve before they really have 291 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:52.039 serious talks. Now with Colorado leaving and things appearing shaky, particularly with Arizona 292 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.400 maybe bolting for the Big twelve, Yeah, it's time to take all options 293 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:02.359 seriously. Of Arizona State. Historic least been a little bit slow. You 294 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:06.400 can even go back to nineteen seventy six when they joined the PAC eight. 295 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.680 They were kind of trailing Arizona at that time as well. Um they came 296 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.920 around. Now, whether they they'll come around this time and I follow Arizona 297 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.839 if and Utah if they end up onto the PAC twelve. I don't know 298 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.559 if anyone knows that for sure, but I can pretty I'm pretty sure they're 299 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.240 taking it a lot more seriously than they ever have to this point. Yeah. 300 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.880 I think in your in your heart of hearts like mine and Jay's, 301 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.119 that eventually, at some point soon that that Arizona is going to jump. 302 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:38.720 I think it has no other choice. I don't see how I don't. 303 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.640 I don't think you can see it any other way. Um. You know, 304 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:47.400 even if they say, and we've heard this several times from uh George 305 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:52.559 Klofkoff to school presidents to school athletic directors, is that we are committed to 306 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.160 sticking together, and we have seen that that that does not happen. Uh 307 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:03.240 first of as ucla USC then a week after Pact twelve media day, when 308 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:07.599 when they all seem united, Colorado left. Even if they all sit together 309 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.480 and everything passes, and you know, sooner or later, you know, 310 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.079 you have to wonder what Washington, Oregon is going to do. And if 311 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.240 the Big ten ever decides, you know what, maybe it is time to 312 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.759 add a couple more schools they're gonna leave. Everyone's going to look out their 313 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:27.920 own best interests, and it would be smart for everybody to do the thing. 314 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:30.880 Now, you know. One of the things that I know, there's 315 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.519 all this uproar and people are upset that the Pact twelve is going to cease 316 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.039 to exist and stuff, But I kind of feel like maybe by the end 317 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.559 of the decade, all of this is probably going to happen anyways, right, 318 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.680 you know, there's going to be some level of consolidation, and you 319 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.480 know people have talked about, you know, sixty teams in a super conference 320 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:53.319 with four divisions or whatever. But a lot of this was probably going to 321 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.440 happen anyways. It's just that now it's become Pact twelve, that's sort of 322 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:03.400 gonna be the one that goes away in some form. Yes, I think, 323 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.720 you know, what with the four superconferences at one point, and you 324 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.480 know, then with the SEC you know, expanding, the Big ten expanding, 325 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.519 you could see it forming and you know the question was and I and 326 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:18.480 you know, it made a lot of sense, and it might still was 327 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.880 like it, you know, the Big twelve and the pat Holve for me 328 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.759 are coming together or the ACC and the PAT twelve. I mean eventually, 329 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.559 yeah, I agree. I think that's where we're all headed. Um, 330 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:34.440 you know, the Pat twelve had a chance a few years ago after the 331 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:40.319 Oklahoma in Texas everyone knows, had a chance to uh do some things with 332 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:41.759 a with a big twelve and at the time decide it wasn't in their best 333 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.640 interest with that short side of them. When you look back on it, 334 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.880 it's sures things that way. Um. But yeah, I mean if it, 335 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.960 if it collapses, I think, you know, and every I think 336 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:56.319 every coach. Jed Fish said it yesterday, Kenny dilleyham days you coach said 337 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:00.599 it as well. The schools are going to be fine. Um, They're 338 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.079 not gonna go away. They're just gonna be playing somewhere else. And you 339 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.720 know that could be sooner, it could be later, but it seems like 340 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.839 we're definitely on that path. So so let me ask you a dumb question 341 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.400 because I just don't know. So, where are you from? Originally you've 342 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.359 been in Phoenix for a while, but are you from the area. I'm 343 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.440 from Indiana, Okay, So even perfect you've been in Arizona for how long? 344 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:30.599 We look here in twenty see two thousand and three, so just about 345 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.680 twenty years. Okay, so this will be perfect. Do you believe there 346 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:41.319 is an East coast biassout question? Okay, yeah, there that is not 347 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.319 it. Yeah, there's definitely an East coast Do you think another No, 348 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.000 My real question is do you think that the fact that if they do go 349 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:51.839 to the Big twelve and all these things get solved, that that'll alleviate it 350 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:59.640 somehow? I think it would probably help, Um, you know, I 351 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.599 mean, they're there is a perception problem with the Pat twelve, and some 352 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:07.799 of it is exaggerated and some of its accurate. I think. I think 353 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.960 you can go to any and I know you've been to every Pat twelve school, 354 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.279 and you know, the passion for at some not all, but the 355 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.160 passion at some of those places is just not the same if you've been to 356 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:21.920 games in the SEC, if you've been to games in the Big Ten. 357 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:27.160 It's a different vibe on college football Saturday. So yeah, so the passion's 358 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.920 not as strong. But you know one thing that I think, uh, 359 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:34.599 someone mentioned and it's been I mean, it's it's kind of a no brainer. 360 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:38.160 It's visibility. The PAT twelve needs a visibility. I mean it really 361 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:42.000 does. And playing games so late at night doesn't help. And now possibly 362 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:47.680 going to a streaming network, you know, the major carrier for most of 363 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:49.480 their games. I mean, yeah, that might be where you know, 364 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:53.319 television is headed, but it doesn't help visibility today or tomorrow or in the 365 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.359 next couple of years. Um. You know, kids these days, they 366 00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.400 want to play on the ESPN, they want to play on Fox, they 367 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:00.920 want to play are the most eyeballs and that that's been a problem for the 368 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.640 Back twelve for a while. Yeah. One of the interesting theories that I've 369 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.079 heard about this, and I've I've subscribed to this for for a while is 370 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:10.200 that, you know, people say, well, what's the difference, Why 371 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.440 can't the PAC twelve you know, have that kind of you know, the 372 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:18.119 kind of fan interest, visibility passion you called it. And I said, 373 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.799 because they're all the PAC twelve schools are in these with the exception of Washington 374 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.720 State and in Oregon State and in Arizona, are all in big cities, 375 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.480 and there's other stuff going on in all those big cities, you know. 376 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:32.720 There. You don't have an NFL team in Tuscaloosa, in Baton, Rouge, 377 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.720 in you know, in in Auburn in in ann arboraeory're close by, 378 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.599 but they're not in those cities, and that there's so much interest in other 379 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:47.480 stuff in La in Phoenix, in Seattle, Portland, I mean, and 380 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:52.279 it's just different and there's a different level of interest. Yeah. I've had 381 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.960 that conversation with Rick Knew how heisl a couple of times when he you know, 382 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.359 he grew up in Arizona and he remembers, you know, Sky or 383 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.079 sun Devil Stadium just rocking back in the day, and I had to ask, 384 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.599 like, what are you talking about? And it was before like the 385 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.160 Cardinals arrived, and you know, it was a different time than when ASU 386 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:17.759 football in this market was a major draw. I've seen Sun Devil Stadium h 387 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.680 be a very lively atmosphere, um, but not like, not consistently and 388 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.200 not in a while. Uh, you know. And I've talked to former 389 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.599 players who said, like, what's the one thing do you think it is 390 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:33.079 holding Arizona State backroom taking the next step? And you know, they were 391 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.079 saying, it's it's the it's the game day atmosphere. And I think part 392 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:44.799 of that in our market and in Tucson is it's freaking high during the early 393 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.000 months of the football season. I think that's part of it. And you 394 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.200 know, I've had these conversations with all with basketball coaches, football coaches. 395 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.279 You know. I asked an assistant ASU coach one time, like, why 396 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:57.240 do you think it's such a promise as when James Harden was here, Why 397 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.720 is it a problem filling up this arena? And he well, go outside, 398 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.240 he said, look at all the things you can do. You could 399 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.480 you know, and it's it's Febuary. You could go, um, golfing, 400 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.559 you can go hiking, you can go you know, different places, 401 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:11.960 you know, And I think that's I think there's some truth to that as 402 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.599 well. Um when I was a basketball conversation, I also think it applies 403 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.799 to the football as well. It's funny, no wonder if Gallen is always 404 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.880 full, you can't do it else. I mean, Doug, you mentioned 405 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:29.920 before you got here as you would fill up its game seventy thousand people and 406 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.720 every game and go, you know, going to an Arizona a SU game 407 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.240 up there, it was scary because there was seventy thousand people in the stadium 408 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.039 and it was you want to talk about a home field advantage that went away 409 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.440 free Cardinals, Cush Time and beyond. But they were good too. They 410 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:48.799 were really good. Yeah they're they Yeah, they were also really good. 411 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.440 That's a great point, Steve. I mean, and that's that's I mean, 412 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.079 if winning and it's we're going into the circle now, because if to 413 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.279 win yeah, um and play get that high levels of staying, you need 414 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:07.440 financial resources. And now you're looking a situation where it seems like what's been 415 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.880 reported that the deal that the commissioner layout for the Presidence may be you know, 416 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.920 close to ten million behind um without the escalators, behind what the Big 417 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.640 twelve and other schools are offering. So I mean that it's going to be 418 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.720 really difficult to kind of get that level of success and be competitive when you're 419 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.480 so far behind. Yeah, exactly. And so I don't know, I 420 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:32.240 mean I've kind of I've kind of settled that, you know, the pactal 421 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.799 is going to break up, um and you know they're all they're all scattering 422 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.079 the quay. We know what happens to Oregon State in Washington. I mean 423 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.119 those guys you know in Oregon State at the time when they've all of a 424 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.039 sudden got really good, really competitive, and they might not have a league. 425 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:52.279 Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a troubling thought, um, you know, 426 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.200 and I think that's why the you know, there's been there were some 427 00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:00.960 some state um lawmakers up there trying to get something past they'll pass to where 428 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.960 you know, Washington couldn't do anything without Washington State and Oregon couldn't do with 429 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.400 anything without Oregon State, and it it didn't gain much momentum. Uh. 430 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.680 And that's why I think it's really interesting to see in this situation. You 431 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.519 know, if if Arizona State decides that they're not ready yet to make the 432 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.400 decision, you know, does Arizona go along without them? You know, 433 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.839 and what does that mean for you know, I think the rivalry will continue. 434 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.519 I think there might be like a one or two year gaps so they 435 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.519 can get the schedules worked out. But you know that that game I just 436 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.960 wrote the story. I talked to Tegram, I talked to Richard Rodriguez about, 437 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.279 you know, what it would mean to have that rivalry game with two 438 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.839 schools and different conferences, and they said it'd still be great, but they 439 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.240 said it wouldn't be the same. Yeah. So in my opinion, that's 440 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.799 that's one of the state treasures that football game, and it would be a 441 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.359 shame. It would be, you know, really unfortunate that game was diminished 442 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:52.400 it in any way. I don't in my heart of hearts, and I 443 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.599 don't know about you guys, I think that it may not happen tomorrow or 444 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.119 next week, that Arizona jumps, and then eventually, eventually, I don't 445 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.599 know how long that eventually is issue will come along. It may not be 446 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.480 the next day, but it will eventually show up. Don't you think. 447 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:11.759 I don't. I don't see if Arizona jumps. I don't see how they 448 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.720 do. Not I know if Arizona jumps, I don't see if Utah has 449 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.519 an invitation. I don't see how Utah doesn't jump. I mean, it 450 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.000 just seems to me that anybody who would stick with in the past twelve and 451 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.480 think that, okay, we'll just at the San Diego State, even though 452 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.279 that would cost a tremendous amount of money, or you know, whoever, 453 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.480 whatever schools you want to bring in, it just seems to me that you 454 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.119 know, eventually it's going to think. So there might be some truth to 455 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.640 that Arizona State has been really really slow and to coming around to this, 456 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.240 so that to me, sounds like a scenario that could happen. Um, 457 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.640 But it definitely seems like we're a head of that direction, don't you and 458 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.599 do you do you guys blame Crow? Is Crow the reason why why they've 459 00:31:53.640 --> 00:32:00.839 dragged their feet? Um? He asked the fan base. They would say 460 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:07.440 absolutely, Michael Crowe understands the importance of athletics. He understands that that brings 461 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.759 him money. He understands that, you know, the importance to alumni. 462 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.400 He's just never been one to let athletics make huge decision. He's not going 463 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:22.119 to make a huge decision based on athletics. So yeah, I mean, 464 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:27.720 in all my time dealing with people are talking to people who have worked with 465 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.400 Michael Crowe, the one thing they say, and it comes up right at 466 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.000 the beginning of the conversation, is he's extremely loyal. And we've seen this 467 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.720 play out in a couple different ways with Larry Scott, with the Pact twelve 468 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:45.440 network, with Ray Anderson. You know, when he's loyal to his people, 469 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:51.240 he's loyal. And I can see how this makes this the Apple deal. 470 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.279 I could see all that might appeal to him because you know he's big 471 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:59.119 on innovation, Uh, it's Apple, it's streaming. That's why things are 472 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.079 headed. You know, I could see how that appeal to him, But 473 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:05.440 the dollar figure is too low, and I think he's definitely smart enough to 474 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.000 recognize that. Yeah, I mean, you know, I Michael Crows one 475 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.119 of the smartest people I've I think I've ever met it. But you're right. 476 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.880 I think he's you know, it's smart to a point of saying, 477 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.119 just let's work, let's work through this some more, let's get let's get 478 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.920 more information, let's know more about what we're gonna do before we jump. 479 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:28.200 And I could see that him him being that guy. Yeah, I've never 480 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.599 I'll go along with what you just said. I've never sat down and had 481 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.880 a conversation with someone as smarter, as smart as as Michael Crowe. I 482 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.559 mean he's but you know, he's always thought of Arizona State, wanting to 483 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:45.079 be more like Stanford than Alabama, you know. I mean, that's that's 484 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.119 been his model. So when people get upset with him, I just try 485 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.519 to explain to him what his mindset is like. It doesn't work, but 486 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.000 I try to explain it. Yeah, I hear you, I hear you. 487 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.079 So we only got a couple of minutes left. But your your thoughts 488 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:06.359 on on what on what you saw it at Arizona yesterday listening to Jetfish talking 489 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.159 to coaches and whatnot. You know, what, where where do you think 490 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:13.000 they sit? Uh? You know, is your opinion of them the same 491 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:19.760 now as it was before you had a doubt yesterday? Uh? About the 492 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.760 same, A little bit more optimistic? I think, uh, you know, 493 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.920 still concerned about defensively, you know what what they have there, how 494 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.480 that's going to look. But the fact that they've had some continuity, um 495 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.119 with their coaching staff, with their coordinator, I think that's that's good. 496 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.079 That's a positive. Um. Offensively, they look I mean, especially with 497 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.760 the health of their offensive line, it looks like they could be able to 498 00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.559 be pretty strong there. Um. So yeah, I think this is a 499 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:52.280 year. You know, I'm not saying that they're gonna you know, you 500 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:53.880 know, contend, try you know, contend for the conference title. But 501 00:34:54.360 --> 00:35:00.360 the next logical stuff I think everyone agrees is to get into that to seven 502 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.880 eight win total. And you know, I think that's a reason motible for 503 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:07.480 them. Um. But you know, as we as even I discussed yesterday 504 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.119 in the practice facility, you know, all the transfers, all the improvements. 505 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.079 Uh, that's not unique to Tucson Arizona and it's not unique to Tempe 506 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.519 Arizona. That's also been going on at USC and the Utah and other schools. 507 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.079 So we'll see how that goes. But yeah, I think I think 508 00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:29.480 there's a reason to be optimistic. I'm happy Doug listened to me yesterday. 509 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.400 Thank you, Doug. Hey. I always good talk with you, always 510 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.960 good insights. Appreciate you, We appreciate you. Thank you, man. 511 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:42.039 I appreciate you having me on. Thank you. Not that I admittedn sense, 512 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.840 but we talked about that good stuff. Good stuff. Um, it's 513 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.920 gonna in my heart of hearts. If I were betting man, oh yeah, 514 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.039 i'd say it's gonna happen. I couldn't tell you what day. Yeah, 515 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.199 but it's gonna happen. Well yeah, I mean, you know, 516 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.320 come on, how to give you odds too? I give you odds. 517 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.079 The only thing, the only thing that I think, Mike, is that 518 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:07.320 the financial impact we're talking about a long term impact to the school as to 519 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:14.719 the schools as a whole in terms of who they are as as academic institutions. 520 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.039 It relies on this. Let's let's talk more about that, because you 521 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.920 know more about that than I do, and maybe we'll get somebody who can 522 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.119 talk to that. I'm very smart. 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Breaking down all the exes and os. 574 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:15.679 It's Steve Ramera and Jagen Summits. This is I on the book on 575 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:21.519 Fox Sports fourteen different. Hey, welcome back to Twine About here Fox Sports 576 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:23.559 fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, He's Jay. You've got about thirteen minutes from 577 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.239 the end of the show. If you gotta want to get a quick call 578 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.079 in, please do five two o four one sixty seventy four forty great show 579 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.440 today, with Jeff Hammershment and Doug Holler a lot of fun and fun informative. 580 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:37.000 We also have an X clip that should be fun. Yeah, that 581 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.400 should be fun. Uh yeah, Chuck Cecil, right, Chuck Cecil just 582 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.800 uh, he's Chuck Cecil. Yeah, Chuck, you don't know what he's 583 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.599 gonna talk about. Well, what's your question? Who asked the question? 584 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.760 The question? First, well, you know what do you think? You 585 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.920 know, it's kind of like are you are you bombed? Where it is 586 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.360 crazy? What's going on with re alignment? And then in the middle of 587 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.639 it, can you hear the question asked, Okay, if you know, 588 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:04.280 if Arizona leaves, if if the Arizone School split up, what do you 589 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.880 think of the territorial couple? You know what they keep playing and Chuck me, 590 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:12.000 it's not that his answer is different, It's just he has a way 591 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.000 of expressing these things in a that are in a fun and interesting way. 592 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:22.639 But here's uh, here's what Chuck had to say about um about the whole 593 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:34.159 realignment thing. Is it strange? Absolutely? Uh? But you know change 594 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.840 is inevitable. Um, you know it was it was the it started out 595 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:45.639 as the Pack eight before we joined, right, US and the scummies came 596 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.079 the back then, right, Okay. So I mean it's just uh, 597 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:52.800 the way of the world. You know, if God's got a plan, 598 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:59.320 sometimes it's not the same as yours. But I'm going with that one. 599 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.719 So whatever that is, I'm all good with it. If Arizona and Arizona 600 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:12.320 State split up, what would be Arizona Arizona State? Uh? What would 601 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.280 your thoughts be on them potentially not playing a Territorial Cup team each year? 602 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:24.199 Oh? Wow, I man hadn't even really you know, I guess clearly 603 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.679 a possibility. Uh, but I would I would think that even if we 604 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:37.280 were in different conferences, that that would be one of the uh, you 605 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.840 know, out of conference games. Uh. I don't know if you could 606 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:49.719 ever, I mean you can clearly I'd be it'd be disappointing because it is, 607 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.079 uh, you know, everybody talks about all you know, Michigan Michigan 608 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:59.280 State and you know, all the type of games. But Florida Florida State 609 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.960 team on North and US. That's it's a good one. It's a good 610 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.679 rivalry. It's very funny because he's so methodical in his discussions and then he 611 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:15.719 kind of gets a little intimidating, who what scummy scum. It's funny. 612 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.519 It's funny because he's this right dude, but he's very deliberate with us. 613 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.119 Yeah, well, you know, Jeff Hamerson were talking like that guy was 614 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.920 an academic All American. He's a smart dude. But you're right the people, 615 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.880 Yeah, you're right, very you know, deliberate and thoughtful and you 616 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.920 know, kind of thinking things through, as he says him, as opposed 617 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.440 to you and I, who just spit stuff out. And you know, 618 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:40.559 I hope for the best. It's very funny. It's it would nothing's gonna 619 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.679 stop the rivalry. It's gonna it's gonna out State play each other, Florida 620 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.239 shorta State play each other. They're in a different conference, because you know 621 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.599 that the teams can play. In the heart of my hearts, they're gonna 622 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.920 be part of the group. Pitt and Penn State have never been in the 623 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.599 same league, you know, I mean those those the game can go on, 624 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:01.519 and it would be kind of a neat thing to you know, you 625 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.039 know, keep it going and and and would certainly help the schedule because you 626 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.800 know every year you're gonna schedule Arizona in Arizona State and you could still be 627 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.840 the last game of the season, right, So it has to change about 628 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:15.519 that as far as I'm concerned. I try to find Rich Rich Rudd didn't 629 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.320 respond to my thing to go it would be good to time. I mean, 630 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.199 it might mean a little bit less because it's not a conference game. 631 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.400 It might, but but then I think what would happen is more of the 632 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:30.039 focus would be on the rivalry itself and the meaning of the rivalry without any 633 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.119 kind of conferencing. It's like, we just want to kick your ass because 634 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.440 we want to kick your ass, we know, And I think that's at 635 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.639 the end of the day, that's the bottom line, right, And that's 636 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.199 what makes a great rival right. Well, one of the things that makes 637 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.159 it if they're competitive, right, and that's that's got to be and it 638 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.679 has been, you know. I mean even in Arizona's worst years, he 639 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.360 thought they could win the game. And typically the bunderdog was always kind of 640 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.280 the team that I mean, even the seventy seven year Okay, I thought, 641 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.760 okay, you know, Arizona can get its stuff together for one game 642 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.199 and beat these guys. And it lasted like less than a minute, right, 643 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.800 less than a minute. They were down fourteen, gazam, let me 644 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.159 turn off forget that theory of the TV and go to the mall or something. 645 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.800 If we get that theory Christmas. No, I think the thing with 646 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:21.039 that game was like, if you stayed at halftime, is he gonna come 647 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:22.599 out of the locker room or is he gonna have a job by that time? 648 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.559 I'm telling you, man, I felt the same way about Macavic, 649 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.559 and I wanted him to not not be allowed back in the locker room. 650 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.000 Let's take this call, Hi, run the r and I on the ball. 651 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.920 How are you guys? Since your favorite rattlesnake? Guys, how are 652 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:46.199 you we hope the Rattlesnake doesn't cuss? How are you going? I won't 653 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:52.000 buy you guys. Okay, what do you got? Uh? Yeah, 654 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.440 I uh I know? Um? How much money is that? The joke 655 00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:02.960 of a conference for Arizona is gonna get twenty million dollars? Nah? Nah, 656 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:08.159 the Pack twelve can go to hell. Arizona needs to go to the 657 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.880 Big twelve. Yeah, but you you've thought that along too, right, 658 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.639 deep done you've thought that? Yeah? Yeah, the Pac twelve was I'll 659 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:32.599 pick whatever the Titanic or um both both catatrophies when when Bernie Woll definitely the 660 00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:39.400 Hindenburg, that zempland Burn and the Titana definitely think to the bottom of the 661 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:45.079 Atlantic Ocean. But anyway, yeah, Arizona needs that. Arizona needs to 662 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.559 go to the Big twelve right away. And I think pretty steel we're gonna 663 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:53.639 know. And so, like I said, President Robin has made it absolutely 664 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:59.840 clear that we are not types and the scummies. So I'll be happy once 665 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:06.840 those morons are playing the Mouth and West and I'll be I'll be in I'll 666 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:14.400 be happy um once or in Washington, I'm gonna get annalailated by the Ohio 667 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:19.760 State buck guys, and I'll be even happier than since I'm not gonna be 668 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:24.440 listening to U. C. L A moron, Bill Walton, Man, 669 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.320 you went off on everybody. Hey, hey, Gabel, okay, but 670 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.079 what a face you goes with the Arizona to the Big twelve. Will you 671 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.239 be unhappy or happy or okay with that? I'll be okay. We can 672 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.320 kicked her ass every three hundred and sixty five days of the year. So 673 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.400 well, I think I truly believe you're gonna get your wish. I really 674 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.000 do and I think it's gonna be soon. Yeah, a FU is run 675 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:59.480 by not very small people, so well we can debate that. But it's 676 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.119 just, you know, as Doug Howard, you know, said, maybe 677 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.400 they just are much more deliberate and just kind of look, as he said, 678 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:08.320 a little slow on making decisions like this. Can I ask you a 679 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:14.559 quick question? Um? Do you you a grad? Um? I'm gonna 680 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:20.159 I'm gonna go to the University of Arizona next semester. I'm a biology major, 681 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:27.440 so I'm gonna be happy. I'm gonna be a wildcat like Jacobs Jakins 682 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:31.159 all. We love to have you, Gabriel. You've been great for us, 683 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:40.559 so maybe maybe one day you two can be touchab Yeah, we're gonna 684 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:45.599 We're gonna he predict you in the next few days or probably next week. 685 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.840 Yeah, I agree. Thanks safe, be safe. Don't hate so much. 686 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.440 Game. There's a lot of love in this world. Game. Don't 687 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:57.679 don't hate so much. Okay, love hard, Thank you, Gabriel, 688 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:04.360 Love gab Gabe. Nico. What's up man? What's up? Nico? 689 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.679 Nico? I don't know. He's not we're not talking about that. He 690 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.239 can't be on the desert it's too hot to be out of the desert, 691 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.400 right, you may have to come back from the desert. I know, 692 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.400 I know it's slinging pizza somewhere or something. So all right, Um, 693 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.119 so okay, so before we get out here, interesting interesting thing came up 694 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:27.559 from Big Game Boomer and something that I've been harping on for a while. 695 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.239 It's just a change from everything we've been talking about. Big Game. Bloomer 696 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:35.320 put out the fifty best stadium and oh I saw that. In college football, 697 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.800 I saw that. I didn't see the list, but Virginia Tech, 698 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.519 which I've seen. There's videos of that, which is great. They play 699 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.599 inter Sandman when they come on the field, Colorado with Ralphie. Um, 700 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:52.039 I haven't seen uh South Carolina's Uh Tennessee does a big deal. Um, 701 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:57.360 I'm seeing Florida State with the guy on the on the on the horse and 702 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:02.719 and the flaming spear into the ground. Um, the Sooner scooter, Don's 703 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.559 got the Sooner schooner. You got Clemson? You know where they come down 704 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.719 to ramp and they all touch the rock. What does six to twelfth man? 705 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.599 But then that's rocking? Yeah, but that's not an entrance. No, 706 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.159 no, No, that's you know, Oregon's got the duck on the 707 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.519 motorcycle, you know, all that stuff, so real cool. Arizona is 708 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.000 nowhere in the you know, the top fifty. A su was in there 709 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:27.159 at twenty six, and I'm not sure what you does. Remember, I've 710 00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.159 complained a long time and I continue to complain about the lack of a band 711 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.760 entrance to the stadium. They've got this big tunnel now where they come in 712 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.639 through. They can do an entrance from there and just come on. If 713 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.880 you've ever gone, I watched it, watched it. Wisconsin's the entrance and 714 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.559 Ohio State's entrance. And we're not Wisconsin, We're not a high stake. 715 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.159 That doesn't mean you can't have a great entrance. And instead Arizona's band just 716 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.480 kind of scuttles onto the field, mosey on, walk on, lining up, 717 00:50:54.519 --> 00:51:00.599 and then go welcome that. I hate that, and every year I 718 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.320 hate it. And every year at the first game, I think, Okay, 719 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.920 they're gonna do something this year, and every year they do the same 720 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.639 thing. They just walk onto the pitch you off. And even more well, 721 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:14.960 you remember seven years ago or whatever was when Grambling came into town, 722 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.400 yea. The crowd state they stayed at half time for the band. Yeah, 723 00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.599 and I hate that even USC You know, they march out onto the 724 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:29.239 field in single file to that the conquest you know thing. Yes, it 725 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:35.360 gives you tingles. And yet we can't get the Arizona band director or anybody 726 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.119 at Arizona to listen and say, let's do something that gets the crowd fired 727 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.239 up, and we can do it with the band. Yeah. See, 728 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.719 I think something has to change. I've been here thirty five years, Jay, 729 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.159 and it's the same, even your all your life, and it's the 730 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.440 same. Even the cal band comes in from a tunnel at one end of 731 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:59.559 the stadium, they fire off a cannon and then they all march quickly onto 732 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:04.239 the field. It's great. Why can't Arizona do something like that? It 733 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.480 just bothers me. I don't know who you talked to over there. Who 734 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:07.320 do you think we have to talk? Well, you have a guy here 735 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:13.199 that you complained about the nachos you gotta fixed. Maybe yeah, maybe the 736 00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.760 same guy. Wow, Well I guess he can probably influence it, but 737 00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:22.239 but the band doesn't follow. This is what we gotta do. As the 738 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:28.760 school year starts, we gotta get the Jonah Zoo guys. Kids, we 739 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:30.880 gotta get maybe the band guy or a woman I don't I don't know who 740 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:32.840 whatever it is, and say, you know, what's up with this? 741 00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:36.159 And who do you need to talk to? If you're not the person to 742 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.840 talk to? How start a tradition of craziness with the band? Got a 743 00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.679 band in and all those people in the band are crazy to begin with. 744 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.159 They are, They're not they are, yeah, they are. One's got 745 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.880 to fight with a band mom over the band. Yeah? Where you know? 746 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.239 Because the things I was saying about the band, I thinking, imagine 747 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.679 was bad. You're like it was? It was really bad. It was, 748 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.079 and I think it was during the Acavic year, so we went to 749 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:06.639 every game in a bad mood. I got into it with a band bomb. 750 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:13.199 I'll tell, I'll tell, I'll tell the whole story someday. Right 751 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.559 now, all right, Hey, fun show. Thank you Doug Hollard for 752 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:20.760 coming on. Thank you Jeff Hammerschmid. We'll see you around when you get 753 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:22.719 when you get here, and I'm sure we'll be back with some more news 754 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.760 on realignment tomorrow. So thank everybody for being here. We'll see you tomorrow.