Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host,
Alejandro Rojas, and I am here with Martin Highwayman. Willis. That's right,
I'm on the road. I don't know if you want to tell him
what happened. We recorded and it uh, we didn't want to give white
noise on the beginning of the show, So here we are again. No,
I didn't want to tell him. Oh okay, no, just kidding.
I'm all into full disclosure. And yeah, we tried to record earlier.
It didn't work out. So now we've got you on the highway,
which I think is exciting. It's a movement, you know, movement exciting.
We're on the go, and you're that important to the show that well,
thanks many, I'm just I'm just trucking. Ye're trucking. Yeah,
we brought that up last time. Yeah, but I don't know if we
can redo that joke though. We'll have to tie that all together dead and
all this stuff. But by the way, Highwayman, you're you're into antiques.
What did that mean? Wasn't was that like a bad dude or was
it just a traveler? I'm into what I'm sorry, antique? So you
probably have a better idea of what what is a highwayman for antiques like in
the old ages? Oh, I really don't know the meaning. I'm sure
someone can look it up in five seconds on Google. Yeah, because I
always think, you know, it's a highwayman, like some bad dude.
It's a man, typically on horseback who held up travelers at gunpoint in order
to rob them. Wow. I didn't need to imply that's what you're doing,
though not yet. No. Okay, but I'm on the East coast,
so that sounds like a Western thing. Yeah, yeah, I just
meant that you're a man on the highway. I am on the highway.
Guests, Well, let's move on. I guess speaking of being on the
highway, I'll be traveling, not via a highway. I don't know.
Some people may do the move On Symposium at the end of the month,
and that's what our show is. Morgan Bell who is a Florida street director
for move On, and of course we interviewed him just a couple of weeks
ago, and we talked about all the speakers, and I came up with
this brilliant idea, if I do say so myself, to put together all
of these audio clips of the speakers that he had gotten most of the speakers,
not all of them, so that we can hear everybody talking about what
they're going to talk about and what they're interested in is in this field and
why they're interested in this field. And so that's what I did, and
I think it's really interesting Morgan got me those audio clips. So that's what
the show is today is all of these exciting audio clips. How cool is
that? That's great? Now? Did you just string them right together and
editing or and you're actually one of the speakers. I am, so mine's
in there. But they all introduce themselves luckily, so you know, they
all say, hey, I'm Joe Schmoe and I flew in a UFO and
I'm gonna tell you all about it in Florida. No, there's nobody who
claims that, but of course not at this conference. At many conferences,
there are people who make those claims. But no, these are people like
myself saying, hey, this is Alejandro Roja so that with ovid buds and
they're talking about UFOs. So that's the kind of thing that these clips have
got icy so fun. Wow. So yeah, so it's a lot of
fun. So that's coming up. But first, why don't you and I
and you're so good that while you're driving on the highway, risking your life
in the lives of your loved ones to do the show, including poor little
innocent Peanut, in order to talk about UFO news. And you're so good
that you've got you just know off the top of your head, what's going
on? Right? Well, I know about one story that I could talk
about. Okay, cool, talk about it all right. So a Florida
witness videoed a some or UFOs. Now this happened back on April twenty third
of this year, around ten thirty. Yeah. He's in Jack, Florida,
as far as I know, is the largest city as far as Land
mass. Uh huh did we leave you? What's funny is it sounds like
I can hear highway, but I can't hear you. He's in the space
Highway, by the way, people. He is in space trying to trans
trying to use Skype, and Skype hasn't got the space Skype down yet,
I guess, but I don't know if we're gonna get Martin Mack. Are
you there? So my story is on April twenty third of this year,
in Jacksonville, Florida, around ten thirty PM, a witness was driving along
and he saw these orbs in the sky. He started to video them.
So if you go to open Mind's TV and you check the story out,
you can watch the video. There's a series of I think three or four
videos that he recorded. Now, these orbs, they look like they're in
a to his words, a bow formation or possibly a triangular formation from a
different angle. And he is driving about fifty miles an hour, and he
is assuming that the speed of these orbs is about the same speed. The
wind that evening was five point eight nautical miles an hour, so for them
to be traveling at fifty would kind of rule out Chinese landards. He said
there was absolutely no sound at all, and so that would rule out helicopters
flying in any type of formation. Plus there wasn't other types of lights on
them. Now that was investigated by a Florida move on. I think the
guy's name is Brandon Brandon or something like that he investigated and he said he
ruled out Chinese landerds and ruled out helicopters. Now, I wouldn't be so
one certain about the Chinese landards, because for someone to be driving along and
judging the speed of something else is, as far as I'm concerned, is
probably impossible unless you actually stop and the thing is directly over you or right
beside you. I don't know how you could judge any type of speed.
So what do you think about all that? Yeah, I agree with you.
Unless you're like the terminator with all this telemetry built into your eyeballs,
it would be very difficult to determine the speed of an object. I mean,
try to do that. So for the rest of you who are driving
out there, try to determine the speed of like a bird flying by or
something, if it's as fast as you. You know, it's just difficult.
Even something sitting still like the moon, looks like it's moving in relation
to different and a lot of people make that mistake with venus or other things,
that they think it's moving when it's not. So yeah, it would
be really hard to say. He says that the lights didn't flicker, and
so that's a good sign because sometimes people will say, well, they were
flickering, but I thought they were moving in a way Chinese lanterns would.
But you know, if it are flickering. That's more telltale signs. So
who knows From the videos alone, I don't know that you can definitively discount
Chinese lanterns, but who knows. The witness seemed to be certain. So
like a lot of people will say, unless you were there, it's hard
to tell. Yeah, now he did say they extinguished or went out or
something like that, which of course Chinese lanterns do, right, But you
know, so I don't know. It's really that's the thing about, you
know, I have a bit of a grudge against them because it just kind
of makes kind of like what you and I are interested in a little foggy
or a little lot of muddy for water a lot of times because there are
some you know, what seems like interesting sightings that could be just Chinese lanterns.
Yep, damn those Chinese lanterns them straight to hell and there's a there's
a fire hazard in a lot of areas. Yeah, so you make you
kill people, that's right. Who did these Chinese lanterns? Yeah? Who
do these Chinese lanterns think they are? That's right? Murdering little things?
Yeah, they're mean, but they're pretty I like to put them up there.
They're pretty floating around. Yeah, and they do look in a few
of them yet they are really interesting. Yeah. I saw some on July
fourth, a few years ago, and you know, right off the bat,
I said, now I see why people exactly. I think they're UFOs.
They really are quite magnificent. They are they're they're neat. So we
went from hating them to loving them, and going from hate to love is
an important thing. Anyway, I think it's a good way to end it.
Yeah, and the story, right, there's another sighting from Florida that
I don't think really is Chinese lanterns. This one's I think a little more
mysterious. These, however, are from twenty twelve, but I think Roger
Marsh, the director of communications for MUFAN, went into the archives and found
this one another unknown video story and this is from August twelfth to twenty twelve,
at about eight forty pm. This is in dunid In, Florida.
And of course we talked about this story on your show and you said that
it's confirmed. We're saying this correctly, right, Dunidin. That's right,
Yeah, good good. That's about three emails from different listeners. Yeah.
Nice. Yeah, And so this guy estimated these lights were in a boomerang
shape that was about two hundred to three hundred feet across and with three other
objects nearby. Now in the video, what you see are essentially three or
four lights, and you do see three of them in a boomerang sort of
configuration and one trailing behind. And these lights don't look like Chinese lanterns to
me. They look to be different colors, which is kind of odd.
Of course there are different colored Chinese lanterns, but it looks pretty weird.
So you'll have to take a look at the video. Again. They're kind
of striking lights. But these people, again were on the road between Keene
Road and Sunset Boulevard. They saw when they saw said they saw this large
group of lights heading towards them. Three of the four lights, they said,
blinked and others were constant, and some of them, they said were
like one of the objects appeared to them to be a bright silver type of
strope and red and green lights. So, yeah, people can take a
look at this video. I think it's a pretty interesting video and one that's
a little more difficult to figure out. This was also determined to be an
unknown by Florida State filled Investigator Bobby Hewitson and the Assistant State Director Terry Lyne,
who I should say is doing a lot of work on the Moufin Symposium
as well. I've been talking with her and coordinating travel and everything. So
pretty interesting. Yeah, I did see the video last week. It is
really and the colorful lights. I didn't realize until you just said that that
Chinese Landers are in different colors, So yeah, with one more strike against
them, I know. Yep, Yeah, they come in a variety of
pack of a different colors. I only tried the red. I think they
even have like cartoon ones like SpongeBob ones and stuff like that. So yeah,
well, well we start hearing about SpongeBob UFOs, then we'll know it's
a Chinese Lander. We'll know what's up. So yeah, some good videos
from Florida And finally, a super cool video that I think everybody should watch
is our interview with Doug Trumbull that we put up exclusive interview, one of
my favorite, if not my favorite interview ever. Because I am a huge
fan of Blade Runner and Close Encounters in two thousand and onesdies are like some
of my absolute favorite movies, and Doug Trouble is responsible for the special effects.
Of course, we've talked about him. You and I have both had
him on our shows. But we got to sit him down and I got
to ask him questions related to UFOs and everything in the video. In fact,
at one point in the video he talks about doing something I think with
one movie because he's a geek. So that's kind of cool. Wow.
Yeah, Doug is a fine gentleman. I'm really looking forward to watching I
haven't seen that yet. Yeah, you shouldn't really looking forward to watching it.
It's eight minutes. It's it's eight minutes, which is, you know,
it can't which is kind of long, you know, but it's about
the right timing, I guess. But it flies by because it's just also
intriguing. He talks about working with Kubrick and Spielberg and why he chose the
movies he chosen and how his scientific you know, interest in UFOs is related
to that and kind of his motivation for looking into UFOs. So it's a
lot of fun. Oh great, right, all right, So there's the
news. I guess I could leave you to pay attention to the road now,
Uh. Yes, one thing I'd like to mention though, okay,
to the list list to the listeners out there, a recent release on Netflix
online. If you happen to have that, I highly recommend it. It's
called In the Shadow of the Moon. Basically all the surviving members that walked
on the Moon talk about their experience, about what it was like, uh,
to to go there, about you know, kind of the horrifying times
as well as uh, you know, all the stress and and uh a
lot of behind the scenes. Is really fascinating documentary and I recommend that to
anyone that has any interest in uh in the moon landings. It's really fascinating.
So do they talk about giant UFOs in the Shadow of the Moon.
I didn't hear one person mentioned, uh anything about UFOs. And doctor Esther
Mitchell is in that of course, Alan Bean, I'm trying to think of
a buzz is in that aldron. And of course Neil Armstrong had passed away
ahead of two thousand and seven when it was first when it was filmed.
But no, actually I believe he. I believe he passed away in twenty
twelve, didn't he. I can't remember. Yeah, well I might begetting
that wrong. Anyway, It's a great show and just wanted to let the
listeners to check know, to check it out. Yep. And so you're
saying that we did go to the Moon. I believe we did. Now.
I've had conversations with Alan Bean. He was a fourth man on the
Moon. I actually had him on a podcast. But he won't talk about
the UFO he had in the there's a major uf if you google his name
in UFO in nineteen seventy. I'm trying to remember the name of the h
It wasn't the space station, of course, it was something else they had
amazing. Yeah, that's right, but he will not talk about the UFO.
I tried to talk about it. You won't talk about it. Fascinating
interesting. Yeah, well sounds good, buddy. Yes, uh, thank
you for the do over today. Yeah, thank you for willing to do
this. While you're on the road. Say hello to your lovely family there
and apologize for me that I put their lives at risk just to have you
do this little UFO stuff on my show. All right, that sounds great.
All right, Well, we'll talk to you later, talk to you
next week, thanks man. Okay, So let's go ahead and hear what
these move On Symposium speakers have to say. Hi, my name's Robert Powell.
I am the director of Research at MOUFON and I am also the head
of a Science Review Board. This year, I will be speaking at the
Moufon Symposium, which will take place in late August of twenty sixteen in Orlando,
Florida. I will be presenting on the top cases that Moufon has investigated
over the last couple of years. I mean this will include everything from a
guy who owns his own company and sees a barbell shaped UFO within three hundred
feet of himself along with two other witnesses, to individuals who have seen triangular
craft. And most of these cases have multiple witnesses. The objects are fairly
close, in other words, within five hundred feet, And there are cases
that have been brought to the Science Review Board and have been reviewed and a
decision made that there are nos simple explanations to the case. The question of
the UFO phenomenon, why I investigated and what does it mean to me?
I mean, that's a good question. I have spent the last seven to
eight years a lot of time. I would say I average probably twenty hours
a week investigating the UFO phenomenon. I've got gigabytes and gigabytes of historical files.
I've written a book, UFOs and Government, a historical inquiry, which
looks at the history of the phenomenon beginning of World War Two until the modern
day. So I've got a very good feel and understanding of the UFO phenomenon.
But I guess back to your question, why I why do I spend
this time? Well, I mean, I guess one simple explanation is I
enjoy it because I meet a lot of interesting people, a lot of good
people. Another reason I do it is I enjoy a mystery that's difficult to
solve. And that's probably part of that is my background, which is chemistry,
right, you know, chemists love to mix things together to see what
happens. Well, this is a mystery which has not been solved in the
last sixty years, and I doubt that it will be solved in the next
twenty to thirty years. Nonetheless, I'm still enthralled by this mystery. And
the other reason I guess I do it is to look at the question of
are we alone? I don't know what the UFO phenomenon is exactly right.
I mean, I haven't caught one and been able to determine where it came
from. Right, But with all the people I've talked to, and I've
interviewed hundreds of people on this topic, I believe that the most likely explanation
for the phenomenon is extraterrestrial. Now I realize I could be wrong and that
may not be the case, but I think, based on everything I've researched,
everything I've read, that is the most likely explanation. And that's part
of what drives me to continue this investigation. And I'll say one last thing,
and that's, you know, the way people and the way society reacts
to the phenomenon that within itself is almost as interesting is the phenomenon itself.
How we react to it. And by that, I don't mean how a
person reacts when a UFO suddenly shows up close to them. I'm talking about
how we react afterwards as individuals. How individuals who you know have heard the
reports but have never seen a UFO themselves, how they react, and how
society reacts. How this topic has become what some people have called the Great
taboo. A person will tell me about it one on one over a cup
of coffee. Yet it's a topic that if discussed before large audiences then it's
considered crazy. That's interesting. Why are we like that? That's part of
why I love this topic. Hello, I'm Kathleen Martin, and I'm here
today to invite you to attend Moufon's two thousand and sixteen International Symposium at the
Lake Buena Vista Hilton in Orlando, Florida in late August. You can learn
all about it and also register for the conference at moufon dot com. Many
of today's top researchers and investigators will present their information at this conference. My
topic this year will be on the history of government involvement in the study of
UFOs and also on the government's decision to cover it up. I'll be exposing
the documented evidence that proves there has been collusion between government agencies, selected scientists,
and journalists to hide the evidence that UFOs are in our skies, under
our wall, and on our land. It is clear that UFO claims are
not considered to be politically or scientifically acceptable, even when there's considerable evidence and
credible witnesses. This has been the primary motivating force behind a massive cover up
that has distorted the public's understanding of the truth and maligned innocent witnesses. Propagandists
with debunking agendas have so distorted the best documented evidence that oftentimes the true story
is unrecognizable in the mainstream media and the minds of the American public. To
give you a little bit about my background, my interest in this topic began
way back in September of nineteen sixty one, when my aunt and uncle,
Betty and Barney Hill, had a close encounter with the UFO in New Hampshire's
White Mountains. I have a background in social science and education. I graduated
from the University of New Hampshire and then did graduate work while I was working
as an educator. I think that my background has shaped my interest in scientific
eufology. I began researching and investigating UFOs full time back in the late nineteen
eighties to early nineteen nineties. I joined the Mutual UFO Network in nineteen ninety
one, and today I am Muffan's Director of Experiencer Research. I have written
three books on the topic, Captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience and
Science was Wrong with Nuclear physicists, scientific eufologist Stanton T. Friedman, and
the Alien Abduction Files with Denise Stoner, who is also on my team at
Muffon on the Experiencer research team. She will be hosting two workshops for experiencers
this year, and again I would like to invite you to attend this year's
symposium, hoping my new book will be released by that time and I would
look forward to discussing that with you at the symposium in late August. My
name is David Marler. I've been actively investigating the UFO subject for over twenty
five years. My first exposure to the UFO subject was way back in nineteen
seventy three. I was five years old and I had heard stories of UFOs
being cited in and around the town of Piedmont, Missouri, which is located
in the southeast portion of the state. My father was born and raised there,
and we had relatives that live there at the time, and in fact,
two witnesses to the events were my father's aunt and uncle. And so
that was my first exposure to hearing about UFOs and hearing stories of people seeing
strange things in the sky. In nineteen seventy seven, my sister and her
husband had a very dramatic close encounter with the UFO that scared them tremendously,
and so the UFO subject really became a lot closer to home as far as
something that really impacted me on a personal level. It wasn't until nineteen ninety
that I became actively involved in investigating and reading about the subject very intently.
In nineteen ninety, I was introduced to the Mutual UFO Network or move ON,
and immediately became a member and worked my way up from field investigator all
the way up state director for Illinois, and during the several years I was
Illinois State Director, I had the opportunity of investigating a very dramatic UFO incident
just to the east of Saint Louis, Missouri, near Scott Air Force Base.
This involved the sighting of a large triangular UFO by multiple police officers whose
credibility was beyond question. This incident garnered a lot of local media attention,
and I was the lead investigator for MOUFON at the time. As a result
of my interest in that case, as well as similar cases that were occurring
in Belgium just ten years prior, I decided to focus my research efforts for
about ten to thirteen years on the subject of triangular UFOs, which eventually led
to the publication of my book Triangular UFOs An Estimate of the Situation, where
I did a systematic review and analysis of worldwide reports going back just not decades,
but even centuries, finding incidents of a similar nature that had occurred in
the late eighteen hundreds. My topic of discussion for the twenty sixteen Moufon Symposium
will be a departure from my usual work on triangular UFOs. I will be
discussing the subject of flying saucers that were observed back in the year nineteen fifty
over a sleepy little town called Farmington, New Mexico. And this incident,
although very dramatic in nature, is a case that for the most part,
was ignored or neglected by the UFO research community for decades. What makes this
so unique and why I decided to focus on a case from nineteen fifty was
the simple fact that we had three days, three consecutive days of daylight sightings
of hundreds estimated hundreds of unidentified flying objects in the sky, and the eyewitnesses
ranged anywhere from hundreds to a few thousand, as far as the ones that
witnessed this event play out in the skies in broad daylight over Farmington, New
Mexico. In addition to this, I was able to go through newspaper archives,
declassified govern documents, as well as resurrecting old investigative notes that have not
seen the light of day since since the late nineteen fifties into the nineteen sixties.
And so with all of this knowledge, I decided to combine it all
and try to paint a clear picture of what transpired back in nineteen fifty And
in point of fact, the UFO activity that occurred over Farmington was just the
tip of the iceberg when I started to find other cases from the southwest portion
of the United States extending all the way down into Mexico. And I will
be discussing this. We will be looking at patterns in the reports, and
we will be examining this for the first time in decades since the incident occurred,
and hopefully we'll be able to shed some light on this old yet very
dramatic case. What makes the UFO subject important to me and what defines the
UFO subject as being of importance As far as I'm concerned. The UFO subject
is one of the greatest mysteries facing us today. Certainly, science has made
great strides in other areas and have explained certain mysteries, but to me,
the UFO subject remains ever elusive. What I find also interesting is the fact
that you have credible people reporting incredible things, and the scientific community, for
the most part, tends to laugh or scoff at the subject. Yet those
same scientists that laugh and scoff have never taken the time to do their due
diligence and examined the data. And that's what I'm trying to do. Examine
the data without any preconceived notions or beliefs, and let the data take it
where it leads. And what I find is the skeptics and scientists that are
out there make vast generalizations, generalizations with regard to human nature, generalizations with
regard to physics, without having looked or examined or interviewed witnesses regarding any particular
given case. And so I see the UFO subject being of interest intellectually,
but I also see it as a field as a subject of inquiry that demands
credibility, that demands serious attention, that hitherto has not been given its due
justice, and so in investigating the UFO subject, I hope to put together
a sensible, logical objective approach, examine the evidence and see where it leads,
and essentially let the audience let the general public make their decision based on
that. But I would much rather arrive at a conclusion based on knowledge and
education regarding a subject or a case, rather than based on ignorance, as
some of these skeptics and mainstream scientists have done with regard to this subject.
So I will let the audience make their own minds up what they think the
UFO subject is. But my job, my goal in this field is to
objectively, seriously, methodically analyze the data and let's try to see if we
can arrive at some answers. My name is Bill Schroeder. I'm a state
Section director for the Mutual UFO Network here in Florida and creator of the Muffon
Aerial Surveillance Team or MASS Project. I'm also a member of NICAP and belonged
to the NICAP A team. My interest in the UFO phenomenon began when I
was seventeen years old United States Army, part of the North American Air Defense
Command. I had an amazing incident that occurred in Key West, Florida and
haunted me for my entire life. I sat on the information for many years
as I was a police officer and criminal investigator in law enforcement and could not
really come forward with the information. After I retired, I decided to dedicate
all my investigative talents to the pursuit of the UFO phenomenon. I'm an individual
who doesn't believe that government disclosure will ever take place here in the United States.
An answer, if found, will likely be found by independent investigators attached
to Moufon or other investigative agencies. This is what I work for. This
year, I was honored. I was honored to be asked to speak at
twenty sixteen Moufon Symposium in Orlando, Florida. I will be discussing the incident
that occurred to me in nineteen sixty seven and resulting investigation that disclosed an amazing
flap that occurred in three months of that year and involved most of the southeastern
United States. Euphology is my last and greatest investigation. It's a way to
attempt to answer questions that may never be answered. But you can't stop trying
just because the outcome might not be what you want. I sincerely believe we
are being visited on a regular basis by beings from another place, whether it's
interdimensional or interstellar. I sincerely believe that these entities sometimes interact with us,
sometimes on a very personal basis. This is one of the things that's changed
since I began this quest. I really entered a as a skeptic when it
came to contact ees and aductees, but I've learned a lot. My eyes
have been opened about things that are happening that are remarkable. I still believe
that an encounter with a UFO or an alien vehicle or an ANT is a
very very rare event. But that doesn't mean you stop looking, because you
can never win if you don't play the game. So I play the game
in as many fields as I can. I am involved in research for three
different UFOL research organizations, and there is no stone that I don't leave unturned.
And I may never answer any of the questions that I have, but
I'm sure never going to stop trying. I think that a lot of ufologists
hope for government disclosure. I personally don't believe that government disclosure will ever occur.
It's going to come to a head two ways, whoever they are,
wherever they're from. Machines break, and in today's technology world, where everyone
has a phone in their pocket or a camera in their pocket, if another
roswel occurred in a populated area, there'd be three million pictures of the incident
before anyone could stop it. The other way that disclosure may occur is if
we finally get the proof that is undeniable, and that's one of the reasons
that I believe in the MASS program. When the MASS program and the Skyscan
system and the all Sky system work together, we may have disclosure a different
way, and that's what I see. Next, we can use our technology
to help us answer this question. My name is Paula Harris. I am
an international researcher. I began my career with doctor Jalen Heinek, working six
years with him, and the subject of my talk will be some of the
cases I've covered in Italy, among them the Amichesia case and the goat onea
case off the coast of Italy in near Sicily. I also want to highlight
some of the astronaut testimony because I think it's very important the Navy considers based
the new Ocean, and I am looking forward to doing this presentation in Orlando
for MoveOn. My name is Ben Moss. I am the chiefield investigator for
MOFON in the state of Virginia, and I am originally from Richmond, Virginia.
I've been doing move On investigations since the nineties and got started in the
field by watching a Walter Cronkite special with my father a long long time ago.
And in the days back then, they used to show a lot more
of this subject and even had news coverage of it. So basically I got
intrigued at an early age and it followed it ever since. What the UFO
phenomenon means to me is a indescribable mystery that seems to show some type of
technology operating in our atmosphere, and it's gone on for a long time.
A lot of misidentifications these days occur, but especially with the advent of drones
and top secret military vehicles. But when you get down to it, there's
a percentage of things that are very unusual that seem to defy the laws of
physics using some type of physics that is way beyond what we're at where we're
at right now, and we probably won't be for a long time, maybe
thousands of years. So what Tony Angiola and I are speaking about at the
MUFON Symposium is the Secor incident of April twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four,
when Lonnie's amor saw A had a close encounter the third kind. We'll go
into detail about that and show we think it's a non human event and show
detail some evidence and some new info that hasn't been seen before with regards to
that case. It's one that we've been working on for over two years.
Back in maybe about a little over two years ago, Jan Harzon got contacted
by Ray Stanford, who was the original Nightcap investigator on the case, and
Jan pointing him to us, and we've been working with Ray ever since.
We had published the Search for the Loss of Coral Footage in the MoveOn Journal
and a subsequent follow up to that in the move On Journal. So in
working with Ray, we've seen the entire entirety of his investigation into that case,
and we've been on site at Succor ourselves and we've gathered a whole lot
of information that we're going to try to compress into an hour, but basically,
we want to show that it was an event of close encounter the third
kind that was not any type of vehicle that any part of our military or
any organizations such as huge aircraft built at the time and hasn't built since there
was a lot of evidence in this case, there were two humanoids seen,
and so we're going to tie it all together and to spell the pretty flimsy
hoax rumors about this case and hopefully give a great presentation. We invite everyone
to come down to Orlando in late August. You can certainly find the information
at www. Moofon symposium dot com, and please also visit our website here
in Virginia at www dot MOFONVA dot com. Hi, this is Alejandro Rojas
of Openminds dot TV, and I'm really excited to be speaking at this year's
MOFON Symposium. I'm going to be speaking about official government agencies. Many people
don't know that several governments have official agencies investigating UFOs, and these are governments
around the world. Some of these organizations are part of the military, some
are part of space programs, or some of them are part of the civil
aviation organizations, but they're all sanctioned by the government looking for UFOs, which
speaks to the credibility and the importance of this phenomena. I mean, you
don't have official ghost research or official Bigfoot research going on out there, but
you do have official UFO research going on out there. And the reason is
is that each of these governments have had some amazing experiences with the UFO phenomenon,
and I'll be covering some of those experiences that they've had. To me,
this UFO phenomena is important for that reason. The credibility. There are
many very credible people who have come forward with incredible experiences, just amazing things
which speak towards a technology or possibly you know, craft out there utilizing technology
that is beyond what we know humans are capable of now. And so the
implications, simply put, are staggering. I mean the obvious. You know
what people think of UFO as most often as are possible extraterrestrial craft. I
mean, of course it goes without saying, ah, how incredible it would
be if we are interfacing with an extraterrestrial race. And I don't think that
it's too far beyond reason that. You know, if there were a civilization
that was thousands of years ahead of us, perhaps even more socially and in
technology, that if they were visiting us and they didn't want it to be
widely known, then that would be the case. It's one of the reasons
I don't get as frustrated about this idea of disclosure, because you know,
these things could be just not wanting to let us know, and humans just
don't have the information that or governments don't have the information that many people are
looking for. Other possibilities, however, could be that these are high tech
devices that are created by humans, essentially black projects. That's really exciting and
phenomenal as well, because it means that the government's hiding some technology that is
just you know, staggering. That is just amazing. I think that that
is a big deal and that's really interesting as well. As other famous researchers,
some like Jacques Vallet or j Len Heinek also mentioned is that the answer
to what this phenomenon, the root of the phenomena is could be beyond what
we can even imagine. I mean, and I don't think that's such a
fringe idea either. I mean, when you look at science, we are
discovering things in space that we never could have imagined we would have discovered.
They are things that are beyond our imagination, things we couldn't even comprehend.
And the answers that we're looking for could be discoveries such as this. So
that's what makes the UFO phenomena so extremely exciting, and especially topics like why
would governments spend money looking into this phenomena and the reasons are very exciting.
I mean, the sightings that have taken place across the world are very exciting.
So I'm really excited to bring this topic to the Muffon Symposion this year.
This is Richard Theme. I'm an author and a professional speaker. I
have been doing that work for over twenty two years. My focus is on
technology, all kinds of technology, biological informatics, computer technology, and the
way they impact human beings, how they affect our identity, how they affect
our organizational structures, how they affect geopolitical structures, even how they affect identity,
the level of planetary culture. I've written a bunch published about well published,
are contributed to four books in the last six years. The most relevant
one, and one of which I am so proud is having been a contributor
to the effort headed by Mike Swordz and Robert Powell called UFOs and Government a
historical inquiry. It's a terrific work of history that's become the gold standard for
how to do historical research into a complex and daunting object. Now. I've
been interested in UFOs OH in a really focused way since nineteen seventy eight.
At that time, I was a clergyman, an episcopal clergyman, and I
was serving in a parish on the edge of Hill Air Force Base in Utah,
and one of our parishioners was a bird colonel who was a fighter pilot,
heavily decorated in Vietnam and a very right stuffed kind of guy. And
Close Encounters of the Third kind was playing in the multiplexes at that time,
and I asked him, what's the story on this stuff? I said,
I read people like Heinek and Blat and so on, and they say,
you chase these things in your fastest fighters and can't catch them. What's real?
And he said, that's what's real. We chase them in our fastest
fighters and we can't catch them. That was the occasion of what I would
call a contextual shift in my interest in the subject. That is, instead
of it just being interesting and fascinating and sexy and fun and a little eerie,
it became real. And once it becomes real, you're on the other
side of the looking glass. You're looking at it in a different way,
and you're also wandering through a hall of mirrors. That's one of the themes
in the speech I'm going to be given, giving it the Symposium against the
Wind. Why people can't think seriously about UFOs. One of the causes is
successful campaigns of disinformation and obfiscation. Other causes are psychological and sociological, and
I'll go into those in some depth, because why people with whom we engage
on the subject can't engage with us seriously is a very important aspect of how
this phenomena is approached and how it's discussed. What is it about UFOs that,
well, it's been so fascinating to me over the years. Well,
it has a numinous quality. UFO phenomena, whether you've experienced it or whether
it impacts you, is almost in some cases like a religious experience, in
that it confronts you with other It confronts you with the beyond. It confronts
you with more than we think. It confronts you with the end of the
consensus reality in which we live and move and have our being, and suggest
that a new paradigm is required. Now that new paradigm is going to be
contingent on what it is exactly that all the diverse kinds of UFO phenomenon experience
really wind up suggesting is true. And we don't have the answers to all
that now, but we do know that it confronts us with the limitations of
our very provincial understanding of who we are. This planet is one of billions,
and this galaxy is one of billions, and we're not the first planet
to evolve life, and we're probably not the top of the food chain in
this extraordinarily complex and ves asked and impossible to comprehend universe that were just beginning
to explore. I liken it to little toddlers three or four years old,
their hand in the hand of a parent, going down the steps and walking
around the block for the first time. We haven't even crossed the street yet.
We've just done robotic explorations and limited human explorations of the Moon and robotic
explorations of the Solar System. There's so much, so much more, and
UFOs confront us with that so much more in a way that is powerful paradigm
shifting, context shifting, and identity shifting, and those are huge issues to
have to deal with. So I'll be talking about my themes in relationship to
all that. I'm looking forward very much to the conversations I'll have in Orlando,
and it's going to be a great conference. My name is John Greenwald,
and I run The Black Vault at www dot theblack Vault dot com.
This will be my twentieth year of running that website and what I've compiled,
from what I understand, is the largest privately run archive of declassified government documents
in the world. And when I first started, I was just absolutely fascinated
by the UFO phenomena, and that's really why I ultimately began what I did
of requesting under the Freedom of Information Act information from the US government and from
the US military, trying to figure out what the real answer was to this
mystery. And I was really surprised at a young age of starting at fifteen
that the government really would give me nuclear weapons secrets and biological weapons secrets and
declassify material that really is so damning to what they've done in the past.
It was easier for me to get that than it was the UFO information.
So the question mark for me was why what was so secretive about the UFO
phenomena. So I started tackling every government agency out there to try and uncover
what was their connection to the UFO phenomena? Did they possibly have an answer?
And here I am twenty years later, and I still don't have one.
I can show beyond any shadow of a doubt that the UFO phenomena is
one of the biggest secrets that's held by the US government, and why is
that? Why is it easier for me to get all these other secrets declassified,
but UFOs remains one of the most difficult to research. I began to
do this just really out of curiosity. I wish I have a better story
of a citing or experience or encounter, and I've never had one. I've
always just been driven by curiosity to try and figure out what is the government
hiding? What I want to accomplish with my moufon presentation is to really explore
the last twenty years. I want to show the audience what I've been able
to uncover and not necessarily editorialize it where I'm telling you what to believe,
but ultimately taking from a skeptical point of view every possible answer of what this
could be, meaning it's explainable, and in essence letting the audience decide,
well, can that really be what this UFO phenomena is or is this something
much much bigger. My personal belief is this is something much bigger. I
still have a lot of question marks in my mind, but ultimately I just
don't know what the real answer is. I don't know why the government is
covering this up, but I think the documentation shows beyond a shadow of a
doubt that they are covering it up. I do not believe it is top
secret military aircraft. I do not believe these are hallucinations or the planet venus
or swamp gas or whatever other silly explanation that we can come up with.
I think when you're dealing with the government documents, you can show that this
is an amazing secret that they don't want us to know. That's what I
want to accomplish with my presentation, and I hope everybody joins me and see
for yourself the evidence, but specifically to the UFO phenomena. I think you'll
be pretty surprised and amazed on what the government actually will tell you legally under
the Freedom of Information Act. Hello, my name is Rich Hoffman. I'm
presently State Director of Alabama from UFON. I'm also at the national level.
I am the director of Strategic Projects and I've been with MUFON for a very
long time, going back to their inception in nineteen sixty nine. Over that
period of time, I've worked with MUFON in a variety of capacities and including
PID section director, field investigator, and I've also been supporting the Science Review
Board's Top Ten Review Committee to look into UFO cases the top ten for a
given year, and we investigated about one hundred sightings or two hundred sightings a
month. Anyway, I have been dealing with the phenomena for a very very
long time and hope to be able to contribute to the serious study of this
phenomena. I've been asked to speak to the question like what does this phenomena
UFOs and UFPS mean to me, it's an intriguing question and one that I've
pondered over fifty two years now. I don't know why I got into it,
but I did at the age of thirteen. There were I didn't see
a UFO. I've never experienced one, but I did investigate and talk to
people that I thought were extremely credible that had seen and even chased in jet
aircraft objects that they didn't know what they were. And these were people that
were of a variety of professions and including law officers and people who worked at
Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, which is where I grew
up. And these were credible people again talking about the cases. And the
more I got into it, the more I found out that there's a lot
of people from around the planet who have all had experiences. And it didn't
seem to matter whether they were natives in Papua New Guinea or whether they were
in Africa, or whether they were living in the Soviet Union or whatever.
They seem to all have similar experiences, which indicated to me something was very
much there. I think my curiosity is at thirteen year old got the best
of me and I became cure. I have a high degree of curiosity and
continue to look into this subject as a mystery. And I think people like
mysteries anyway. I've spent my almost my entire life looking into this subject,
and periodically you find the cases that are very compelling that you just cannot explain,
and where there is evidence in the form of radar data or photographs or
whatever that helped us support it. You have a very strong case and it
was a very unusual object that just defies any rational explanation. I think that
that's what captures me and why I've remained in this for such a long period
of time. I've seen too many instances where governments around the world, militaries
have been heavily involved, tried to get any kind of like a study going
on them, and that failed and or they came to the inclusion that there
was nothing out there, or they dismiss it. And I've always been bothered
by that because I never really felt that this got the serious attention that it
really truly deserved. And that's what I hope to change. I think that
I really want to be able to promote science and being engaged in using science
to help come up to answers, and I think that quite frankly, that
testimony you get from witnesses, while valid and very important to that individual,
don't really contribute a whole lot to us. So we need to get more
into some technology tools to be able to help us to do that. And
that's what my role is in UFON currently is to help get that. Anyway,
I'll be talking about the Aguadea, Puerto Rico case, which does involve
technology, and it's a leaked to video from Homeland Security, and I hope
that you'll join me this coming August as we delve into this particular case.
Look forward to seeing you there. My name is Robert Hastings. I am
going to be the keynote speaker at the twenty sixteen Muffon Symposium in Orlando,
Florida in late August. For the past forty three years, I have sought
out and interviewed US military veterans regarding their involvement in UFO activity at nuclear weapons
sites. These individuals, ranging from the rank of colonel to airman, have
described incidents where UFOs have not only hovered above our nuclear missile sites, but
have in fact, on some occasions interfered with the functionality of those weapons.
I have over one hundred and fifty sources at this point veterans who were involved
in these incidents in one capacity or another. Further declassified US government documents confirm
that UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites back to the late nineteen forties. UFOs
have appeared at nuclear weapons laboratories such as Los Alamos, Sandia, Oak Ridge,
and other facilities. They have hovered above plutonium production sites such as the
Hanford site in Washington State. It's clear from the descriptions provided both in the
documents and the witness testimony that these objects are not conventional aircraft. They're described
most in most cases as saucer shaped or cylindrical or spircle. They're luminous.
They are capable of both high velocity flight and hovering, again clearly not conventional
aircraft. In my opinion, this development over the course of several decades is
tremendously important. The fact that UFOs, whatever they are, wherever they're from,
whoever they're piloted by, have expressed an interest and ongoing widespread, longstanding
interest in our nuclear weapons systems is certainly significant and worthy of public attention.
Over the past three decades or so, I have spoken at over five hundred
colleges and universities in an effort to bring this information to the public's attention.
In September of twenty ten, I also held a press conference in Washington,
d C. Which CNN streamed live. That press conference is available the video
of it at my website UFO Hastings dot com. Unfortunately, after approximately a
one week period of widespread media interests, not only in the United States but
around the world in the press conference, media interest in this topic has fated
almost completely. Why that is, I don't presume to know. It's unfortunate
but true. At that press conference, seven US military veterans all described their
involvement in one or more nuclear weapons related UFO incidents. The most spectacular cases
involve incidents in which UFOs apparently not only shut down missiles make them inoperative,
requiring maintenance before they become operative again, but other incidents involving missile activations which
seem to be even more terrifying than the shutdown incidents. The witnesses who have
described these incidents say that UFOs have apparently caused missiles to go into countdown mode,
that is, are preparing to launch. Quite evidently, this is extremely
terrifying to the individuals who are involved in these incidents. There are documents from
the former so Union secured by investigative reporter George Knapp, indicating that these kind
of missile activation incidents also occurred in the former Soviet Union. So quite clearly,
whoever are flying these crafts are playing an even handed game. They are
not only monitoring and disrupting American nuclear missiles, but Soviet nuclear missiles. I
am aware of UFO activity at American missile sites as recently as twenty thirteen.
That information is still classified, quite obviously, and yet the sources for it
are credible and reliable. In short, this is an ongoing situation. I
presume that the same thing is occurring in the former Soviet Union now Russia,
but it would be very difficult to get information from that still very secretive country.
In any case, it's clear to me, and I think virtually everyone
who I present my information to in articles, my book, my now released
documentary film, and in articles I've written from my website, that this is
a very real and tremendously important situation. I believe that the American public,
and indeed everyone in the world has a right to know the facts, and
I have attempted as best as possible to ferret out those facts and present credible
sources of information which substantiate the information that I am presenting to the public.
In March nineteen sixty seven, I was present at momsterrom Air Force Base my
dad was career Air Force that was and still is, a nuclear missile base
in Montana. Rumors or circulating about UFO activity at missile sites. I was
really not in a position to follow up on that information, as I was
still a teenager. But over the years those rumors have proven to be true,
and in subsequent decades other people with a knowledge of these incidents have come
forward. For example, well known UFO researcher Raymond Fowler, who at the
time of these incidents worked for the Sylvania Corporation as the Minuteman Project Supervisor.
In a book he wrote in nineteen seventy four called UFO Interplanetary Visitors, he
indicated for the first time publicly, as far as I'm aware, that UFOs
had interfered with the functionality of nuclear missiles at Melmster Air Force Space. Once
I read that book and another published reference by the late Donald Keiho, another
well known UFO researcher. I began to actively seek out and interview US Air
Force veterans who might have a knowledge of these kinds of incidents. At this
point in time, I have over one hundred and fifty sources. These are
former nuclear missile launch officers, targeting officers, missile maintenance personnel, missile security
guards, other US military veterans with the knowledge of UFO incidents that other types
of nuclear weapons facilities, such as storage sites. All of these individuals are
emphatic that UFOs have long monitored and even interfered with the functionality of US nuclear
weapons. Quite evidently, this is important subject. I think the public has
a right to know the facts, and I have therefore spent as much time
as possible since the early nineteen seventies attempting to gather, collate, and present
this information to the public. My book UFOs and Nuke's Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear
Weapons Sites was published in two thousand and eight. It contains the testimony of
more than one hundred US military veterans regarding UFO incursions at American nuclear weapons sites.
My recently completed film UFOs and nukes. The secret link revealed will be
presented at the Moufon Symposium in Orlando. I think it is quite convincing.
The feedback that I've gotten over the three months that it's been available online is
uniformly favorable. This, in effect, has become my life's work, for
better or worse. I have long referred to myself as simply being the messenger.
The US military veterans are the heroes in this story. I am simply
conveying their message to the public. I have repeatedly said that these individuals were
entrusted by the US government to initiate World War III, literally by turning keys
and launching missiles, which would have resulted in millions of Soviet citizens dying in
a nuclear holocaust if it had come to that. And now these same trusted
persons, the persons who were entrusted with these tremendously important responsibilities, have now
come forward in large numbers and said that UFOs have long monitored and even tampered
with American nuclear weapons. I believe this message is worthy of public attention.
I will be attempting once again at the upcoming symposium to present my best case
for UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites. Thank you so much to Morgan Bell
for getting me the audio for all of these great little mini interviews. I
think they're fascinating. It's so fun, and you know, there's something kind
of cool and more intimate about hearing these guys, you know, in their
own environment and talking about this topic. Essentially, you know, they were
asked via email some questions and then asked to record themselves responding to them,
and then they sent those audio clips to Morgan. Morgan then made YouTube videos
with some pictures and images, and they're great and I thought it would be
fun because even myself, you know, prior to having put this together,
I had only heard one or two here or there. I hadn't heard all
of them, and so it's great to hear them all, and it's really
fun to hear them next to each other, just to see the different perspectives,
to see some of the differences, but also the great similarities. And
one of the similarities that I really appreciate is that you can tell all of
these people have a passion but have also got a lot of experience doing a
lot of research into the topic. To you know, there are decades and
decades worth of research represented with all of these people, and so it's a
great opportunity to really, you know, here in detail what inspires people like
this and where they're at after years of research on this topic. So I
love those little clips. I thought Morgan did a great job with the questions
and putting those together, and I was so grateful that he provided them to
me so I could edit them together in one long piece like this, And
it just shows how exciting this conference is going to be. They've done a
great job choosing speakers, so you could go to moufon symposium dot com in
order to take a look at some more information about the speakers and when and
wheres and all of that kind of thing. It's not this weekend, it's
a weekend after is when the event is mostly held. It begins actually something
like Thursday. They do, you know, build investigator trainings and all of
this sort of thing prior to the actual elect and so it's a lot of
fun. It's something that you know, we do every year, as you
probably know because I have interviews from there or talk about it every year,
and so I'm really excited to be able to speak there, and I'm very
grateful that they've asked me to speak, and this talk that I actually put
together or began to put together a couple of years ago. I've done it,
i think in Roswell before, but it was with the main intention of
hopefully being able to do this talk at mouf On at some point, and
so I'm just really excited about that. This is gonna be a lot of
fun. Otherwise, I want to think another thing that you can do is
if you heard an audio you know somebody that you liked then, and I
mean like not just like, but maybe even liked. Liked. Yeah,
so in a romantic way, because and you know, I'm going off on
a tangent, but it's probably because I first my first date with my current
girlfriend was at a Moufon event actually, and I believe this woman to be
the love of my life. So you know, maybe one of these speakers
is the love of your life. And there's nothing wrong with that. Look,
I'm just a romantic at heart, and everyone deserves love. And I
know at least one of these people. I know, Paula. I'm pretty
sure I think Paula's single currently. I'm not one hundred percent, but she's
a catch. She's a really great woman, and I'm sure there are others,
so even romance could be sparked at the mouf On Symposium. However,
if you're looking for UFO information, of course that's going to be abundant.
But what I think I was getting at in the first place is that,
yeah, these videos are if you heard someone you like, not like like,
but just like you could be. Look at the videos too, you
see more about who they are, some pictures of them, and at MoveOn
Symposium dot com you'll be able to find links to their pages if they have
them, and of course come to the conference to be able to hear more
about them. You can hear more about some of these speakers also on our
page at Openminds dot tv, because some of these people such as Robert Powell,
Paula Harris, Kathleen Martin, they have been speakers at the UFO Congress
and at our UFO Video portal, we have those videos available for you all
to watch to get to know more about them. And these are talks that
they've done others than the talks that they're going to do at move On,
so something else they've spoken about. So that's a lot of fun too.
In fact, we're very very proud of the UFO Video Portal. I mean,
you get dozens and dozens of amazing lectures to watch, lectures you do
not see anywhere else, like Jacques Vallet and Bob Lazar and others, and
it's only a few dollars a month to have access to all of these unlimited
access. So I mean, I think it's a really valuable treasure trove and
something unique on the Internet that we provide for people. And it really helps
us because even though we do charge a few dollars a month for this,
we don't really charge for much else. So Doug Trumbull Video, we're not
charging for that. For this podcast, we don't charge for so it really
helps keep us in business. If you could go check that out and get
these videos, and I hope you really enjoy them. We enjoy making them,
and you know, it looks easier than it is. We've got literally
tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment that we use, and I think
I take pride in that. I think we have the best videos of UFO
lectures because we have, you know, great equipment and really talented people like
that help us put these together. And of course our video guy, Michael
Klein, does a great job editing them, and so they're really great products
and you get to see these unique events and HD recorded very carefully and clearly.
And I don't know I should stop going on, but I'm just very
proud of it. It's an honor to be able to do this and to
put those things together. But yeah, you could go to the video portal.
You could find that it Open Minds that TV, along with all of
the other news we talked about. I want to think Caleb Hanks, who
does the opening and close music. He's extremely talented. On the radio page,
you'll be able to get a link to his work. A lot of
his music, if not all of it. I think he provides for free.
I think it's wonderful. But I also want to think, and this
one, this person is really important. This person is probably the most important
person to think, and I really appreciate this person person is I know you're
probably thinking Doug Trumbull, but no, it's you. You. Yeah,
you're going me, yeah, you. Thank you so much for listening to
the show. Just so happy that there are people to enjoy the fruits of
our efforts. And so as usual, I want to thank you the listener,
for being here. We'll have some more great shows coming up, and
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