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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin Highwayman. Willis. That's right,

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I'm on the road. I don't
know if you want to tell him

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what happened. We recorded and it
uh, we didn't want to give white

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noise on the beginning of the show, So here we are again. No,

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I didn't want to tell him.
Oh okay, no, just kidding.

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I'm all into full disclosure. And
yeah, we tried to record earlier.

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It didn't work out. So now
we've got you on the highway,

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which I think is exciting. It's
a movement, you know, movement exciting.

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We're on the go, and you're
that important to the show that well,

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thanks many, I'm just I'm just
trucking. Ye're trucking. Yeah,

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we brought that up last time.
Yeah, but I don't know if we

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can redo that joke though. We'll
have to tie that all together dead and

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all this stuff. But by the
way, Highwayman, you're you're into antiques.

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What did that mean? Wasn't was
that like a bad dude or was

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it just a traveler? I'm into
what I'm sorry, antique? So you

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probably have a better idea of what
what is a highwayman for antiques like in

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the old ages? Oh, I
really don't know the meaning. I'm sure

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someone can look it up in five
seconds on Google. Yeah, because I

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always think, you know, it's
a highwayman, like some bad dude.

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It's a man, typically on horseback
who held up travelers at gunpoint in order

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to rob them. Wow. I
didn't need to imply that's what you're doing,

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though not yet. No. Okay, but I'm on the East coast,

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so that sounds like a Western thing. Yeah, yeah, I just

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meant that you're a man on the
highway. I am on the highway.

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Guests, Well, let's move on. I guess speaking of being on the

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highway, I'll be traveling, not
via a highway. I don't know.

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Some people may do the move On
Symposium at the end of the month,

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and that's what our show is.
Morgan Bell who is a Florida street director

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for move On, and of course
we interviewed him just a couple of weeks

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ago, and we talked about all
the speakers, and I came up with

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this brilliant idea, if I do
say so myself, to put together all

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of these audio clips of the speakers
that he had gotten most of the speakers,

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not all of them, so that
we can hear everybody talking about what

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they're going to talk about and what
they're interested in is in this field and

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why they're interested in this field.
And so that's what I did, and

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I think it's really interesting Morgan got
me those audio clips. So that's what

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the show is today is all of
these exciting audio clips. How cool is

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that? That's great? Now?
Did you just string them right together and

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editing or and you're actually one of
the speakers. I am, so mine's

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in there. But they all introduce
themselves luckily, so you know, they

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all say, hey, I'm Joe
Schmoe and I flew in a UFO and

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I'm gonna tell you all about it
in Florida. No, there's nobody who

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claims that, but of course not
at this conference. At many conferences,

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there are people who make those claims. But no, these are people like

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myself saying, hey, this is
Alejandro Roja so that with ovid buds and

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they're talking about UFOs. So that's
the kind of thing that these clips have

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got icy so fun. Wow.
So yeah, so it's a lot of

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fun. So that's coming up.
But first, why don't you and I

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and you're so good that while you're
driving on the highway, risking your life

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in the lives of your loved ones
to do the show, including poor little

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innocent Peanut, in order to talk
about UFO news. And you're so good

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that you've got you just know off
the top of your head, what's going

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on? Right? Well, I
know about one story that I could talk

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about. Okay, cool, talk
about it all right. So a Florida

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witness videoed a some or UFOs.
Now this happened back on April twenty third

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of this year, around ten thirty. Yeah. He's in Jack, Florida,

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as far as I know, is
the largest city as far as Land

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mass. Uh huh did we leave
you? What's funny is it sounds like

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I can hear highway, but I
can't hear you. He's in the space

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Highway, by the way, people. He is in space trying to trans

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trying to use Skype, and Skype
hasn't got the space Skype down yet,

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I guess, but I don't know
if we're gonna get Martin Mack. Are

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you there? So my story is
on April twenty third of this year,

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in Jacksonville, Florida, around ten
thirty PM, a witness was driving along

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and he saw these orbs in the
sky. He started to video them.

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So if you go to open Mind's
TV and you check the story out,

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you can watch the video. There's
a series of I think three or four

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videos that he recorded. Now,
these orbs, they look like they're in

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a to his words, a bow
formation or possibly a triangular formation from a

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different angle. And he is driving
about fifty miles an hour, and he

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is assuming that the speed of these
orbs is about the same speed. The

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wind that evening was five point eight
nautical miles an hour, so for them

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to be traveling at fifty would kind
of rule out Chinese landards. He said

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there was absolutely no sound at all, and so that would rule out helicopters

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flying in any type of formation.
Plus there wasn't other types of lights on

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them. Now that was investigated by
a Florida move on. I think the

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guy's name is Brandon Brandon or something
like that he investigated and he said he

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ruled out Chinese landerds and ruled out
helicopters. Now, I wouldn't be so

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one certain about the Chinese landards,
because for someone to be driving along and

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judging the speed of something else is, as far as I'm concerned, is

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probably impossible unless you actually stop and
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beside you. I don't know how
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So what do you think about all
that? Yeah, I agree with you.

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Unless you're like the terminator with all
this telemetry built into your eyeballs,

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it would be very difficult to determine
the speed of an object. I mean,

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try to do that. So for
the rest of you who are driving

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out there, try to determine the
speed of like a bird flying by or

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something, if it's as fast as
you. You know, it's just difficult.

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Even something sitting still like the moon, looks like it's moving in relation

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to different and a lot of people
make that mistake with venus or other things,

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that they think it's moving when it's
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be really hard to say. He
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so that's a good sign because sometimes
people will say, well, they were

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flickering, but I thought they were
moving in a way Chinese lanterns would.

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But you know, if it are
flickering. That's more telltale signs. So

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who knows From the videos alone,
I don't know that you can definitively discount

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Chinese lanterns, but who knows.
The witness seemed to be certain. So

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like a lot of people will say, unless you were there, it's hard

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to tell. Yeah, now he
did say they extinguished or went out or

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something like that, which of course
Chinese lanterns do, right, But you

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know, so I don't know.
It's really that's the thing about, you

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know, I have a bit of
a grudge against them because it just kind

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of makes kind of like what you
and I are interested in a little foggy

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or a little lot of muddy for
water a lot of times because there are

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some you know, what seems like
interesting sightings that could be just Chinese lanterns.

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Yep, damn those Chinese lanterns them
straight to hell and there's a there's

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a fire hazard in a lot of
areas. Yeah, so you make you

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kill people, that's right. Who
did these Chinese lanterns? Yeah? Who

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do these Chinese lanterns think they are? That's right? Murdering little things?

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Yeah, they're mean, but they're
pretty I like to put them up there.

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They're pretty floating around. Yeah,
and they do look in a few

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of them yet they are really interesting. Yeah. I saw some on July

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fourth, a few years ago,
and you know, right off the bat,

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I said, now I see why
people exactly. I think they're UFOs.

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They really are quite magnificent. They
are they're they're neat. So we

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went from hating them to loving them, and going from hate to love is

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an important thing. Anyway, I
think it's a good way to end it.

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Yeah, and the story, right, there's another sighting from Florida that

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I don't think really is Chinese lanterns. This one's I think a little more

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mysterious. These, however, are
from twenty twelve, but I think Roger

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Marsh, the director of communications for
MUFAN, went into the archives and found

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this one another unknown video story and
this is from August twelfth to twenty twelve,

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at about eight forty pm. This
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And of course we talked about this
story on your show and you said that

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it's confirmed. We're saying this correctly, right, Dunidin. That's right,

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Yeah, good good. That's about
three emails from different listeners. Yeah.

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Nice. Yeah, And so this
guy estimated these lights were in a boomerang

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shape that was about two hundred to
three hundred feet across and with three other

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objects nearby. Now in the video, what you see are essentially three or

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four lights, and you do see
three of them in a boomerang sort of

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configuration and one trailing behind. And
these lights don't look like Chinese lanterns to

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me. They look to be different
colors, which is kind of odd.

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Of course there are different colored Chinese
lanterns, but it looks pretty weird.

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So you'll have to take a look
at the video. Again. They're kind

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of striking lights. But these people, again were on the road between Keene

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Road and Sunset Boulevard. They saw
when they saw said they saw this large

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group of lights heading towards them.
Three of the four lights, they said,

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blinked and others were constant, and
some of them, they said were

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like one of the objects appeared to
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strope and red and green lights.
So, yeah, people can take a

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look at this video. I think
it's a pretty interesting video and one that's

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a little more difficult to figure out. This was also determined to be an

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unknown by Florida State filled Investigator Bobby
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who I should say is doing a
lot of work on the Moufin Symposium

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as well. I've been talking with
her and coordinating travel and everything. So

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pretty interesting. Yeah, I did
see the video last week. It is

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really and the colorful lights. I
didn't realize until you just said that that

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Chinese Landers are in different colors,
So yeah, with one more strike against

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them, I know. Yep,
Yeah, they come in a variety of

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pack of a different colors. I
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even have like cartoon ones like SpongeBob
ones and stuff like that. So yeah,

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well, well we start hearing about
SpongeBob UFOs, then we'll know it's

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a Chinese Lander. We'll know what's
up. So yeah, some good videos

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from Florida And finally, a super
cool video that I think everybody should watch

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is our interview with Doug Trumbull that
we put up exclusive interview, one of

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my favorite, if not my favorite
interview ever. Because I am a huge

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fan of Blade Runner and Close Encounters
in two thousand and onesdies are like some

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of my absolute favorite movies, and
Doug Trouble is responsible for the special effects.

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Of course, we've talked about him. You and I have both had

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him on our shows. But we
got to sit him down and I got

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to ask him questions related to UFOs
and everything in the video. In fact,

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at one point in the video he
talks about doing something I think with

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one movie because he's a geek.
So that's kind of cool. Wow.

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Yeah, Doug is a fine gentleman. I'm really looking forward to watching I

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haven't seen that yet. Yeah,
you shouldn't really looking forward to watching it.

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It's eight minutes. It's it's eight
minutes, which is, you know,

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it can't which is kind of long, you know, but it's about

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the right timing, I guess.
But it flies by because it's just also

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intriguing. He talks about working with
Kubrick and Spielberg and why he chose the

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movies he chosen and how his scientific
you know, interest in UFOs is related

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to that and kind of his motivation
for looking into UFOs. So it's a

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lot of fun. Oh great,
right, all right, So there's the

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news. I guess I could leave
you to pay attention to the road now,

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Uh. Yes, one thing I'd
like to mention though, okay,

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to the list list to the listeners
out there, a recent release on Netflix

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online. If you happen to have
that, I highly recommend it. It's

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called In the Shadow of the Moon. Basically all the surviving members that walked

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on the Moon talk about their experience, about what it was like, uh,

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to to go there, about you
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as well as uh, you know, all the stress and and uh a

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lot of behind the scenes. Is
really fascinating documentary and I recommend that to

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anyone that has any interest in uh
in the moon landings. It's really fascinating.

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So do they talk about giant UFOs
in the Shadow of the Moon.

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I didn't hear one person mentioned,
uh anything about UFOs. And doctor Esther

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Mitchell is in that of course,
Alan Bean, I'm trying to think of

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a buzz is in that aldron.
And of course Neil Armstrong had passed away

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ahead of two thousand and seven when
it was first when it was filmed.

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But no, actually I believe he. I believe he passed away in twenty

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twelve, didn't he. I can't
remember. Yeah, well I might begetting

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that wrong. Anyway, It's a
great show and just wanted to let the

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listeners to check know, to check
it out. Yep. And so you're

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saying that we did go to the
Moon. I believe we did. Now.

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I've had conversations with Alan Bean.
He was a fourth man on the

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Moon. I actually had him on
a podcast. But he won't talk about

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the UFO he had in the there's
a major uf if you google his name

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in UFO in nineteen seventy. I'm
trying to remember the name of the h

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It wasn't the space station, of
course, it was something else they had

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amazing. Yeah, that's right,
but he will not talk about the UFO.

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I tried to talk about it.
You won't talk about it. Fascinating

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interesting. Yeah, well sounds good, buddy. Yes, uh, thank

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you for the do over today.
Yeah, thank you for willing to do

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this. While you're on the road. Say hello to your lovely family there

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and apologize for me that I put
their lives at risk just to have you

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do this little UFO stuff on my
show. All right, that sounds great.

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All right, Well, we'll talk
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next week, thanks man. Okay, So let's go ahead and hear what

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these move On Symposium speakers have to
say. Hi, my name's Robert Powell.

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I am the director of Research at
MOUFON and I am also the head

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of a Science Review Board. This
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Moufon Symposium, which will take place
in late August of twenty sixteen in Orlando,

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Florida. I will be presenting on
the top cases that Moufon has investigated

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over the last couple of years.
I mean this will include everything from a

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guy who owns his own company and
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feet of himself along with two other
witnesses, to individuals who have seen triangular

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craft. And most of these cases
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close, in other words, within
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that have been brought to the Science
Review Board and have been reviewed and a

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decision made that there are nos simple
explanations to the case. The question of

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the UFO phenomenon, why I investigated
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I mean, that's a good question. I have spent the last seven to

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eight years a lot of time.
I would say I average probably twenty hours

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a week investigating the UFO phenomenon.
I've got gigabytes and gigabytes of historical files.

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I've written a book, UFOs and
Government, a historical inquiry, which

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looks at the history of the phenomenon
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day. So I've got a very
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But I guess back to your question, why I why do I spend

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this time? Well, I mean, I guess one simple explanation is I

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enjoy it because I meet a lot
of interesting people, a lot of good

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people. Another reason I do it
is I enjoy a mystery that's difficult to

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solve. And that's probably part of
that is my background, which is chemistry,

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right, you know, chemists love
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happens. Well, this is a
mystery which has not been solved in the

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last sixty years, and I doubt
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twenty to thirty years. Nonetheless,
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the other reason I guess I do
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are we alone? I don't know
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I mean, I haven't caught one
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from. Right, But with all
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interviewed hundreds of people on this topic, I believe that the most likely explanation

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for the phenomenon is extraterrestrial. Now
I realize I could be wrong and that

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may not be the case, but
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everything I've read, that is the
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of what drives me to continue this
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and that's, you know, the
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to the phenomenon that within itself is
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How we react to it. And
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person reacts when a UFO suddenly shows
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how we react afterwards as individuals.
How individuals who you know have heard the

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reports but have never seen a UFO
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society reacts. How this topic has
become what some people have called the Great

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taboo. A person will tell me
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of coffee. Yet it's a topic
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considered crazy. That's interesting. Why
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why I love this topic. Hello, I'm Kathleen Martin, and I'm here

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today to invite you to attend Moufon's
two thousand and sixteen International Symposium at the

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Lake Buena Vista Hilton in Orlando,
Florida in late August. You can learn

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all about it and also register for
the conference at moufon dot com. Many

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of today's top researchers and investigators will
present their information at this conference. My

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topic this year will be on the
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UFOs and also on the government's decision
to cover it up. I'll be exposing

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the documented evidence that proves there has
been collusion between government agencies, selected scientists,

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and journalists to hide the evidence that
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our wall, and on our land. It is clear that UFO claims are

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not considered to be politically or scientifically
acceptable, even when there's considerable evidence and

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credible witnesses. This has been the
primary motivating force behind a massive cover up

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that has distorted the public's understanding of
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with debunking agendas have so distorted the
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is unrecognizable in the mainstream media and
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give you a little bit about my
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way back in September of nineteen sixty
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Betty and Barney Hill, had a
close encounter with the UFO in New Hampshire's

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White Mountains. I have a background
in social science and education. I graduated

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from the University of New Hampshire and
then did graduate work while I was working

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as an educator. I think that
my background has shaped my interest in scientific

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eufology. I began researching and investigating
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eighties to early nineteen nineties. I
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one, and today I am Muffan's
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three books on the topic, Captured
the Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience and

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Science was Wrong with Nuclear physicists,
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the Alien Abduction Files with Denise Stoner, who is also on my team at

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Muffon on the Experiencer research team.
She will be hosting two workshops for experiencers

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this year, and again I would
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symposium, hoping my new book will
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look forward to discussing that with you
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name is David Marler. I've been
actively investigating the UFO subject for over twenty

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five years. My first exposure to
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seventy three. I was five years
old and I had heard stories of UFOs

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being cited in and around the town
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in the southeast portion of the state. My father was born and raised there,

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and we had relatives that live there
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two witnesses to the events were my
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that was my first exposure to hearing
about UFOs and hearing stories of people seeing

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strange things in the sky. In
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husband had a very dramatic close encounter
with the UFO that scared them tremendously,

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and so the UFO subject really became
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something that really impacted me on a
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that I became actively involved in investigating
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In nineteen ninety, I was introduced
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and immediately became a member and worked
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the way up state director for Illinois, and during the several years I was

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Illinois State Director, I had the
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just to the east of Saint Louis, Missouri, near Scott Air Force Base.

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This involved the sighting of a large
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credibility was beyond question. This incident
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and I was the lead investigator for
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of my interest in that case,
as well as similar cases that were occurring

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in Belgium just ten years prior,
I decided to focus my research efforts for

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about ten to thirteen years on the
subject of triangular UFOs, which eventually led

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to the publication of my book Triangular
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I did a systematic review and analysis
of worldwide reports going back just not decades,

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but even centuries, finding incidents of
a similar nature that had occurred in

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the late eighteen hundreds. My topic
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will be a departure from my usual
work on triangular UFOs. I will be

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discussing the subject of flying saucers that
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over a sleepy little town called Farmington, New Mexico. And this incident,

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although very dramatic in nature, is
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was ignored or neglected by the UFO
research community for decades. What makes this

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so unique and why I decided to
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the simple fact that we had three
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of hundreds estimated hundreds of unidentified flying
objects in the sky, and the eyewitnesses

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ranged anywhere from hundreds to a few
thousand, as far as the ones that

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witnessed this event play out in the
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Mexico. In addition to this,
I was able to go through newspaper archives,

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declassified govern documents, as well as
resurrecting old investigative notes that have not

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seen the light of day since since
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And so with all of this knowledge, I decided to combine it all

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and try to paint a clear picture
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in point of fact, the UFO
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tip of the iceberg when I started
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of the United States extending all the
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be discussing this. We will be
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we will be examining this for the
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and hopefully we'll be able to shed
some light on this old yet very

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dramatic case. What makes the UFO
subject important to me and what defines the

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UFO subject as being of importance As
far as I'm concerned. The UFO subject

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is one of the greatest mysteries facing
us today. Certainly, science has made

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great strides in other areas and have
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the UFO subject remains ever elusive.
What I find also interesting is the fact

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that you have credible people reporting incredible
things, and the scientific community, for

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the most part, tends to laugh
or scoff at the subject. Yet those

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same scientists that laugh and scoff have
never taken the time to do their due

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diligence and examined the data. And
that's what I'm trying to do. Examine

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the data without any preconceived notions or
beliefs, and let the data take it

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where it leads. And what I
find is the skeptics and scientists that are

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out there make vast generalizations, generalizations
with regard to human nature, generalizations with

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regard to physics, without having looked
or examined or interviewed witnesses regarding any particular

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given case. And so I see
the UFO subject being of interest intellectually,

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but I also see it as a
field as a subject of inquiry that demands

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credibility, that demands serious attention,
that hitherto has not been given its due

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justice, and so in investigating the
UFO subject, I hope to put together

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a sensible, logical objective approach,
examine the evidence and see where it leads,

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and essentially let the audience let the
general public make their decision based on

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that. But I would much rather
arrive at a conclusion based on knowledge and

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education regarding a subject or a case, rather than based on ignorance, as

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some of these skeptics and mainstream scientists
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So I will let the audience make
their own minds up what they think the

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UFO subject is. But my job, my goal in this field is to

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objectively, seriously, methodically analyze the
data and let's try to see if we

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can arrive at some answers. My
name is Bill Schroeder. I'm a state

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Section director for the Mutual UFO Network
here in Florida and creator of the Muffon

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Aerial Surveillance Team or MASS Project.
I'm also a member of NICAP and belonged

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to the NICAP A team. My
interest in the UFO phenomenon began when I

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was seventeen years old United States Army, part of the North American Air Defense

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Command. I had an amazing incident
that occurred in Key West, Florida and

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haunted me for my entire life.
I sat on the information for many years

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as I was a police officer and
criminal investigator in law enforcement and could not

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really come forward with the information.
After I retired, I decided to dedicate

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all my investigative talents to the pursuit
of the UFO phenomenon. I'm an individual

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who doesn't believe that government disclosure will
ever take place here in the United States.

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An answer, if found, will
likely be found by independent investigators attached

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to Moufon or other investigative agencies.
This is what I work for. This

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year, I was honored. I
was honored to be asked to speak at

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twenty sixteen Moufon Symposium in Orlando,
Florida. I will be discussing the incident

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that occurred to me in nineteen sixty
seven and resulting investigation that disclosed an amazing

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flap that occurred in three months of
that year and involved most of the southeastern

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United States. Euphology is my last
and greatest investigation. It's a way to

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attempt to answer questions that may never
be answered. But you can't stop trying

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just because the outcome might not be
what you want. I sincerely believe we

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are being visited on a regular basis
by beings from another place, whether it's

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interdimensional or interstellar. I sincerely believe
that these entities sometimes interact with us,

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sometimes on a very personal basis.
This is one of the things that's changed

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since I began this quest. I
really entered a as a skeptic when it

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came to contact ees and aductees,
but I've learned a lot. My eyes

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have been opened about things that are
happening that are remarkable. I still believe

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that an encounter with a UFO or
an alien vehicle or an ANT is a

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very very rare event. But that
doesn't mean you stop looking, because you

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can never win if you don't play
the game. So I play the game

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in as many fields as I can. I am involved in research for three

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different UFOL research organizations, and there
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And I may never answer any of
the questions that I have, but

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I'm sure never going to stop trying. I think that a lot of ufologists

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hope for government disclosure. I personally
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It's going to come to a head
two ways, whoever they are,

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wherever they're from. Machines break,
and in today's technology world, where everyone

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has a phone in their pocket or
a camera in their pocket, if another

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roswel occurred in a populated area,
there'd be three million pictures of the incident

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before anyone could stop it. The
other way that disclosure may occur is if

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we finally get the proof that is
undeniable, and that's one of the reasons

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that I believe in the MASS program. When the MASS program and the Skyscan

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system and the all Sky system work
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way, and that's what I see. Next, we can use our technology

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to help us answer this question.
My name is Paula Harris. I am

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an international researcher. I began my
career with doctor Jalen Heinek, working six

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years with him, and the subject
of my talk will be some of the

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cases I've covered in Italy, among
them the Amichesia case and the goat onea

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case off the coast of Italy in
near Sicily. I also want to highlight

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some of the astronaut testimony because I
think it's very important the Navy considers based

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the new Ocean, and I am
looking forward to doing this presentation in Orlando

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for MoveOn. My name is Ben
Moss. I am the chiefield investigator for

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MOFON in the state of Virginia,
and I am originally from Richmond, Virginia.

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I've been doing move On investigations since
the nineties and got started in the

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field by watching a Walter Cronkite special
with my father a long long time ago.

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And in the days back then,
they used to show a lot more

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of this subject and even had news
coverage of it. So basically I got

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intrigued at an early age and it
followed it ever since. What the UFO

417
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:10.280
phenomenon means to me is a indescribable
mystery that seems to show some type of

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technology operating in our atmosphere, and
it's gone on for a long time.

419
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A lot of misidentifications these days occur, but especially with the advent of drones

420
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and top secret military vehicles. But
when you get down to it, there's

421
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a percentage of things that are very
unusual that seem to defy the laws of

422
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physics using some type of physics that
is way beyond what we're at where we're

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at right now, and we probably
won't be for a long time, maybe

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thousands of years. So what Tony
Angiola and I are speaking about at the

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MUFON Symposium is the Secor incident of
April twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four,

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when Lonnie's amor saw A had a
close encounter the third kind. We'll go

427
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:06.639
into detail about that and show we
think it's a non human event and show

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detail some evidence and some new info
that hasn't been seen before with regards to

429
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.760
that case. It's one that we've
been working on for over two years.

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Back in maybe about a little over
two years ago, Jan Harzon got contacted

431
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:28.559
by Ray Stanford, who was the
original Nightcap investigator on the case, and

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Jan pointing him to us, and
we've been working with Ray ever since.

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We had published the Search for the
Loss of Coral Footage in the MoveOn Journal

434
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and a subsequent follow up to that
in the move On Journal. So in

435
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:47.039
working with Ray, we've seen the
entire entirety of his investigation into that case,

436
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:52.400
and we've been on site at Succor
ourselves and we've gathered a whole lot

437
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of information that we're going to try
to compress into an hour, but basically,

438
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we want to show that it was
an event of close encounter the third

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00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:08.639
kind that was not any type of
vehicle that any part of our military or

440
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:15.239
any organizations such as huge aircraft built
at the time and hasn't built since there

441
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.920
was a lot of evidence in this
case, there were two humanoids seen,

442
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.920
and so we're going to tie it
all together and to spell the pretty flimsy

443
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:29.880
hoax rumors about this case and hopefully
give a great presentation. We invite everyone

444
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to come down to Orlando in late
August. You can certainly find the information

445
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at www. Moofon symposium dot com, and please also visit our website here

446
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:50.119
in Virginia at www dot MOFONVA dot
com. Hi, this is Alejandro Rojas

447
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.039
of Openminds dot TV, and I'm
really excited to be speaking at this year's

448
00:41:54.079 --> 00:42:01.280
MOFON Symposium. I'm going to be
speaking about official government agencies. Many people

449
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:09.440
don't know that several governments have official
agencies investigating UFOs, and these are governments

450
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:14.880
around the world. Some of these
organizations are part of the military, some

451
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.960
are part of space programs, or
some of them are part of the civil

452
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:24.239
aviation organizations, but they're all sanctioned
by the government looking for UFOs, which

453
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speaks to the credibility and the importance
of this phenomena. I mean, you

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don't have official ghost research or official
Bigfoot research going on out there, but

455
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.840
you do have official UFO research going
on out there. And the reason is

456
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:46.239
is that each of these governments have
had some amazing experiences with the UFO phenomenon,

457
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.480
and I'll be covering some of those
experiences that they've had. To me,

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00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:57.519
this UFO phenomena is important for that
reason. The credibility. There are

459
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:05.559
many very credible people who have come
forward with incredible experiences, just amazing things

460
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:14.599
which speak towards a technology or possibly
you know, craft out there utilizing technology

461
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:20.320
that is beyond what we know humans
are capable of now. And so the

462
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:25.639
implications, simply put, are staggering. I mean the obvious. You know

463
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:31.039
what people think of UFO as most
often as are possible extraterrestrial craft. I

464
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:36.880
mean, of course it goes without
saying, ah, how incredible it would

465
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.719
be if we are interfacing with an
extraterrestrial race. And I don't think that

466
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it's too far beyond reason that.
You know, if there were a civilization

467
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:55.000
that was thousands of years ahead of
us, perhaps even more socially and in

468
00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.199
technology, that if they were visiting
us and they didn't want it to be

469
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.159
widely known, then that would be
the case. It's one of the reasons

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00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:10.000
I don't get as frustrated about this
idea of disclosure, because you know,

471
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.480
these things could be just not wanting
to let us know, and humans just

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00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:21.960
don't have the information that or governments
don't have the information that many people are

473
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.440
looking for. Other possibilities, however, could be that these are high tech

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00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:35.480
devices that are created by humans,
essentially black projects. That's really exciting and

475
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:42.039
phenomenal as well, because it means
that the government's hiding some technology that is

476
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.119
just you know, staggering. That
is just amazing. I think that that

477
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:52.400
is a big deal and that's really
interesting as well. As other famous researchers,

478
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.679
some like Jacques Vallet or j Len
Heinek also mentioned is that the answer

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00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:05.280
to what this phenomenon, the root
of the phenomena is could be beyond what

480
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.159
we can even imagine. I mean, and I don't think that's such a

481
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:15.000
fringe idea either. I mean,
when you look at science, we are

482
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.440
discovering things in space that we never
could have imagined we would have discovered.

483
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.519
They are things that are beyond our
imagination, things we couldn't even comprehend.

484
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:30.920
And the answers that we're looking for
could be discoveries such as this. So

485
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:37.320
that's what makes the UFO phenomena so
extremely exciting, and especially topics like why

486
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:46.039
would governments spend money looking into this
phenomena and the reasons are very exciting.

487
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.800
I mean, the sightings that have
taken place across the world are very exciting.

488
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.599
So I'm really excited to bring this
topic to the Muffon Symposion this year.

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00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.519
This is Richard Theme. I'm an
author and a professional speaker. I

490
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:09.159
have been doing that work for over
twenty two years. My focus is on

491
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:17.599
technology, all kinds of technology,
biological informatics, computer technology, and the

492
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:22.679
way they impact human beings, how
they affect our identity, how they affect

493
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:29.519
our organizational structures, how they affect
geopolitical structures, even how they affect identity,

494
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:37.440
the level of planetary culture. I've
written a bunch published about well published,

495
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.559
are contributed to four books in the
last six years. The most relevant

496
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.519
one, and one of which I
am so proud is having been a contributor

497
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:51.519
to the effort headed by Mike Swordz
and Robert Powell called UFOs and Government a

498
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.400
historical inquiry. It's a terrific work
of history that's become the gold standard for

499
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:01.559
how to do historical research into a
complex and daunting object. Now. I've

500
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.000
been interested in UFOs OH in a
really focused way since nineteen seventy eight.

501
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.679
At that time, I was a
clergyman, an episcopal clergyman, and I

502
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.960
was serving in a parish on the
edge of Hill Air Force Base in Utah,

503
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:21.400
and one of our parishioners was a
bird colonel who was a fighter pilot,

504
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.920
heavily decorated in Vietnam and a very
right stuffed kind of guy. And

505
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.440
Close Encounters of the Third kind was
playing in the multiplexes at that time,

506
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.000
and I asked him, what's the
story on this stuff? I said,

507
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.559
I read people like Heinek and Blat
and so on, and they say,

508
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:43.199
you chase these things in your fastest
fighters and can't catch them. What's real?

509
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.519
And he said, that's what's real. We chase them in our fastest

510
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:51.199
fighters and we can't catch them.
That was the occasion of what I would

511
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.920
call a contextual shift in my interest
in the subject. That is, instead

512
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.599
of it just being interesting and fascinating
and sexy and fun and a little eerie,

513
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:05.480
it became real. And once it
becomes real, you're on the other

514
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.039
side of the looking glass. You're
looking at it in a different way,

515
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:13.679
and you're also wandering through a hall
of mirrors. That's one of the themes

516
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:17.320
in the speech I'm going to be
given, giving it the Symposium against the

517
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.960
Wind. Why people can't think seriously
about UFOs. One of the causes is

518
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:31.360
successful campaigns of disinformation and obfiscation.
Other causes are psychological and sociological, and

519
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:37.880
I'll go into those in some depth, because why people with whom we engage

520
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:44.440
on the subject can't engage with us
seriously is a very important aspect of how

521
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:50.239
this phenomena is approached and how it's
discussed. What is it about UFOs that,

522
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:53.719
well, it's been so fascinating to
me over the years. Well,

523
00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:00.280
it has a numinous quality. UFO
phenomena, whether you've experienced it or whether

524
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.400
it impacts you, is almost in
some cases like a religious experience, in

525
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:12.400
that it confronts you with other It
confronts you with the beyond. It confronts

526
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.239
you with more than we think.
It confronts you with the end of the

527
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:21.000
consensus reality in which we live and
move and have our being, and suggest

528
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.199
that a new paradigm is required.
Now that new paradigm is going to be

529
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:30.400
contingent on what it is exactly that
all the diverse kinds of UFO phenomenon experience

530
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:35.480
really wind up suggesting is true.
And we don't have the answers to all

531
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:39.760
that now, but we do know
that it confronts us with the limitations of

532
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:45.719
our very provincial understanding of who we
are. This planet is one of billions,

533
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.519
and this galaxy is one of billions, and we're not the first planet

534
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:57.599
to evolve life, and we're probably
not the top of the food chain in

535
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:04.760
this extraordinarily complex and ves asked and
impossible to comprehend universe that were just beginning

536
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:09.320
to explore. I liken it to
little toddlers three or four years old,

537
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:14.079
their hand in the hand of a
parent, going down the steps and walking

538
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.760
around the block for the first time. We haven't even crossed the street yet.

539
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:22.599
We've just done robotic explorations and limited
human explorations of the Moon and robotic

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00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:28.519
explorations of the Solar System. There's
so much, so much more, and

541
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:34.280
UFOs confront us with that so much
more in a way that is powerful paradigm

542
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:39.920
shifting, context shifting, and identity
shifting, and those are huge issues to

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00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.880
have to deal with. So I'll
be talking about my themes in relationship to

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00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.840
all that. I'm looking forward very
much to the conversations I'll have in Orlando,

545
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:57.480
and it's going to be a great
conference. My name is John Greenwald,

546
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:04.079
and I run The Black Vault at
www dot theblack Vault dot com.

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00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:09.559
This will be my twentieth year of
running that website and what I've compiled,

548
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:16.960
from what I understand, is the
largest privately run archive of declassified government documents

549
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:22.880
in the world. And when I
first started, I was just absolutely fascinated

550
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:29.639
by the UFO phenomena, and that's
really why I ultimately began what I did

551
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:35.400
of requesting under the Freedom of Information
Act information from the US government and from

552
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.639
the US military, trying to figure
out what the real answer was to this

553
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:45.159
mystery. And I was really surprised
at a young age of starting at fifteen

554
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:52.719
that the government really would give me
nuclear weapons secrets and biological weapons secrets and

555
00:51:53.119 --> 00:52:01.960
declassify material that really is so damning
to what they've done in the past.

556
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.119
It was easier for me to get
that than it was the UFO information.

557
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:12.840
So the question mark for me was
why what was so secretive about the UFO

558
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.079
phenomena. So I started tackling every
government agency out there to try and uncover

559
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:22.000
what was their connection to the UFO
phenomena? Did they possibly have an answer?

560
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:25.960
And here I am twenty years later, and I still don't have one.

561
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:31.159
I can show beyond any shadow of
a doubt that the UFO phenomena is

562
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:37.599
one of the biggest secrets that's held
by the US government, and why is

563
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.719
that? Why is it easier for
me to get all these other secrets declassified,

564
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:49.760
but UFOs remains one of the most
difficult to research. I began to

565
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.920
do this just really out of curiosity. I wish I have a better story

566
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:59.320
of a citing or experience or encounter, and I've never had one. I've

567
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.360
always just been driven by curiosity to
try and figure out what is the government

568
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:10.760
hiding? What I want to accomplish
with my moufon presentation is to really explore

569
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:15.159
the last twenty years. I want
to show the audience what I've been able

570
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:20.760
to uncover and not necessarily editorialize it
where I'm telling you what to believe,

571
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.679
but ultimately taking from a skeptical point
of view every possible answer of what this

572
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:31.280
could be, meaning it's explainable,
and in essence letting the audience decide,

573
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:36.840
well, can that really be what
this UFO phenomena is or is this something

574
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.199
much much bigger. My personal belief
is this is something much bigger. I

575
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.039
still have a lot of question marks
in my mind, but ultimately I just

576
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:50.960
don't know what the real answer is. I don't know why the government is

577
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:55.320
covering this up, but I think
the documentation shows beyond a shadow of a

578
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.199
doubt that they are covering it up. I do not believe it is top

579
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:05.199
secret military aircraft. I do not
believe these are hallucinations or the planet venus

580
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.880
or swamp gas or whatever other silly
explanation that we can come up with.

581
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:14.159
I think when you're dealing with the
government documents, you can show that this

582
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.960
is an amazing secret that they don't
want us to know. That's what I

583
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.679
want to accomplish with my presentation,
and I hope everybody joins me and see

584
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:28.559
for yourself the evidence, but specifically
to the UFO phenomena. I think you'll

585
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:34.360
be pretty surprised and amazed on what
the government actually will tell you legally under

586
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.039
the Freedom of Information Act. Hello, my name is Rich Hoffman. I'm

587
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:44.679
presently State Director of Alabama from UFON. I'm also at the national level.

588
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.840
I am the director of Strategic Projects
and I've been with MUFON for a very

589
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.360
long time, going back to their
inception in nineteen sixty nine. Over that

590
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:59.840
period of time, I've worked with
MUFON in a variety of capacities and including

591
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:07.159
PID section director, field investigator,
and I've also been supporting the Science Review

592
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:14.480
Board's Top Ten Review Committee to look
into UFO cases the top ten for a

593
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:19.119
given year, and we investigated about
one hundred sightings or two hundred sightings a

594
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:27.119
month. Anyway, I have been
dealing with the phenomena for a very very

595
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:32.079
long time and hope to be able
to contribute to the serious study of this

596
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:37.320
phenomena. I've been asked to speak
to the question like what does this phenomena

597
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:45.320
UFOs and UFPS mean to me,
it's an intriguing question and one that I've

598
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.440
pondered over fifty two years now.
I don't know why I got into it,

599
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.000
but I did at the age of
thirteen. There were I didn't see

600
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:59.519
a UFO. I've never experienced one, but I did investigate and talk to

601
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:06.159
people that I thought were extremely credible
that had seen and even chased in jet

602
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:12.679
aircraft objects that they didn't know what
they were. And these were people that

603
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:20.239
were of a variety of professions and
including law officers and people who worked at

604
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.719
Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, which is where I grew

605
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:30.519
up. And these were credible people
again talking about the cases. And the

606
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:32.239
more I got into it, the
more I found out that there's a lot

607
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.440
of people from around the planet who
have all had experiences. And it didn't

608
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:44.440
seem to matter whether they were natives
in Papua New Guinea or whether they were

609
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.880
in Africa, or whether they were
living in the Soviet Union or whatever.

610
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.280
They seem to all have similar experiences, which indicated to me something was very

611
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:58.159
much there. I think my curiosity
is at thirteen year old got the best

612
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.800
of me and I became cure.
I have a high degree of curiosity and

613
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:07.000
continue to look into this subject as
a mystery. And I think people like

614
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:15.320
mysteries anyway. I've spent my almost
my entire life looking into this subject,

615
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:22.960
and periodically you find the cases that
are very compelling that you just cannot explain,

616
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:28.199
and where there is evidence in the
form of radar data or photographs or

617
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.440
whatever that helped us support it.
You have a very strong case and it

618
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:38.039
was a very unusual object that just
defies any rational explanation. I think that

619
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:44.199
that's what captures me and why I've
remained in this for such a long period

620
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:52.559
of time. I've seen too many
instances where governments around the world, militaries

621
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.519
have been heavily involved, tried to
get any kind of like a study going

622
00:57:55.559 --> 00:58:00.639
on them, and that failed and
or they came to the inclusion that there

623
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.480
was nothing out there, or they
dismiss it. And I've always been bothered

624
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:08.239
by that because I never really felt
that this got the serious attention that it

625
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.159
really truly deserved. And that's what
I hope to change. I think that

626
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:17.840
I really want to be able to
promote science and being engaged in using science

627
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.039
to help come up to answers,
and I think that quite frankly, that

628
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:27.639
testimony you get from witnesses, while
valid and very important to that individual,

629
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.079
don't really contribute a whole lot to
us. So we need to get more

630
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:35.480
into some technology tools to be able
to help us to do that. And

631
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:39.880
that's what my role is in UFON
currently is to help get that. Anyway,

632
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:45.519
I'll be talking about the Aguadea,
Puerto Rico case, which does involve

633
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:50.679
technology, and it's a leaked to
video from Homeland Security, and I hope

634
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:57.039
that you'll join me this coming August
as we delve into this particular case.

635
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.480
Look forward to seeing you there.
My name is Robert Hastings. I am

636
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.119
going to be the keynote speaker at
the twenty sixteen Muffon Symposium in Orlando,

637
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:13.360
Florida in late August. For the
past forty three years, I have sought

638
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:22.599
out and interviewed US military veterans regarding
their involvement in UFO activity at nuclear weapons

639
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:28.440
sites. These individuals, ranging from
the rank of colonel to airman, have

640
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:35.320
described incidents where UFOs have not only
hovered above our nuclear missile sites, but

641
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:40.960
have in fact, on some occasions
interfered with the functionality of those weapons.

642
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:47.079
I have over one hundred and fifty
sources at this point veterans who were involved

643
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:54.880
in these incidents in one capacity or
another. Further declassified US government documents confirm

644
00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:02.159
that UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites
back to the late nineteen forties. UFOs

645
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:08.360
have appeared at nuclear weapons laboratories such
as Los Alamos, Sandia, Oak Ridge,

646
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:15.079
and other facilities. They have hovered
above plutonium production sites such as the

647
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:20.519
Hanford site in Washington State. It's
clear from the descriptions provided both in the

648
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:27.480
documents and the witness testimony that these
objects are not conventional aircraft. They're described

649
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:34.920
most in most cases as saucer shaped
or cylindrical or spircle. They're luminous.

650
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:40.840
They are capable of both high velocity
flight and hovering, again clearly not conventional

651
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:47.039
aircraft. In my opinion, this
development over the course of several decades is

652
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:53.199
tremendously important. The fact that UFOs, whatever they are, wherever they're from,

653
01:00:53.360 --> 01:01:00.880
whoever they're piloted by, have expressed
an interest and ongoing widespread, longstanding

654
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:06.760
interest in our nuclear weapons systems is
certainly significant and worthy of public attention.

655
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:13.679
Over the past three decades or so, I have spoken at over five hundred

656
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:19.199
colleges and universities in an effort to
bring this information to the public's attention.

657
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:23.400
In September of twenty ten, I
also held a press conference in Washington,

658
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:30.199
d C. Which CNN streamed live. That press conference is available the video

659
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:38.920
of it at my website UFO Hastings
dot com. Unfortunately, after approximately a

660
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:44.599
one week period of widespread media interests, not only in the United States but

661
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:51.199
around the world in the press conference, media interest in this topic has fated

662
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:55.440
almost completely. Why that is,
I don't presume to know. It's unfortunate

663
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:04.119
but true. At that press conference, seven US military veterans all described their

664
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:12.280
involvement in one or more nuclear weapons
related UFO incidents. The most spectacular cases

665
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:20.599
involve incidents in which UFOs apparently not
only shut down missiles make them inoperative,

666
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:29.800
requiring maintenance before they become operative again, but other incidents involving missile activations which

667
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:36.559
seem to be even more terrifying than
the shutdown incidents. The witnesses who have

668
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:44.199
described these incidents say that UFOs have
apparently caused missiles to go into countdown mode,

669
01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:49.480
that is, are preparing to launch. Quite evidently, this is extremely

670
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:59.119
terrifying to the individuals who are involved
in these incidents. There are documents from

671
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:06.400
the former so Union secured by investigative
reporter George Knapp, indicating that these kind

672
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:12.800
of missile activation incidents also occurred in
the former Soviet Union. So quite clearly,

673
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:17.159
whoever are flying these crafts are playing
an even handed game. They are

674
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:24.039
not only monitoring and disrupting American nuclear
missiles, but Soviet nuclear missiles. I

675
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:30.920
am aware of UFO activity at American
missile sites as recently as twenty thirteen.

676
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:37.239
That information is still classified, quite
obviously, and yet the sources for it

677
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:43.679
are credible and reliable. In short, this is an ongoing situation. I

678
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:47.519
presume that the same thing is occurring
in the former Soviet Union now Russia,

679
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:54.639
but it would be very difficult to
get information from that still very secretive country.

680
01:03:54.679 --> 01:04:00.519
In any case, it's clear to
me, and I think virtually everyone

681
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:06.440
who I present my information to in
articles, my book, my now released

682
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:12.960
documentary film, and in articles I've
written from my website, that this is

683
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:18.480
a very real and tremendously important situation. I believe that the American public,

684
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:23.760
and indeed everyone in the world has
a right to know the facts, and

685
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:29.599
I have attempted as best as possible
to ferret out those facts and present credible

686
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:35.239
sources of information which substantiate the information
that I am presenting to the public.

687
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:41.960
In March nineteen sixty seven, I
was present at momsterrom Air Force Base my

688
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:46.360
dad was career Air Force that was
and still is, a nuclear missile base

689
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:54.519
in Montana. Rumors or circulating about
UFO activity at missile sites. I was

690
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:58.639
really not in a position to follow
up on that information, as I was

691
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:02.639
still a teenager. But over the
years those rumors have proven to be true,

692
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:09.960
and in subsequent decades other people with
a knowledge of these incidents have come

693
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:15.360
forward. For example, well known
UFO researcher Raymond Fowler, who at the

694
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:21.360
time of these incidents worked for the
Sylvania Corporation as the Minuteman Project Supervisor.

695
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:28.920
In a book he wrote in nineteen
seventy four called UFO Interplanetary Visitors, he

696
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:33.559
indicated for the first time publicly,
as far as I'm aware, that UFOs

697
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:40.760
had interfered with the functionality of nuclear
missiles at Melmster Air Force Space. Once

698
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:46.280
I read that book and another published
reference by the late Donald Keiho, another

699
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:53.800
well known UFO researcher. I began
to actively seek out and interview US Air

700
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.880
Force veterans who might have a knowledge
of these kinds of incidents. At this

701
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.719
point in time, I have over
one hundred and fifty sources. These are

702
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:10.599
former nuclear missile launch officers, targeting
officers, missile maintenance personnel, missile security

703
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:16.559
guards, other US military veterans with
the knowledge of UFO incidents that other types

704
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:23.280
of nuclear weapons facilities, such as
storage sites. All of these individuals are

705
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:30.119
emphatic that UFOs have long monitored and
even interfered with the functionality of US nuclear

706
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:36.199
weapons. Quite evidently, this is
important subject. I think the public has

707
01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:41.679
a right to know the facts,
and I have therefore spent as much time

708
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:47.599
as possible since the early nineteen seventies
attempting to gather, collate, and present

709
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:56.840
this information to the public. My
book UFOs and Nuke's Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear

710
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.320
Weapons Sites was published in two thousand
and eight. It contains the testimony of

711
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:09.679
more than one hundred US military veterans
regarding UFO incursions at American nuclear weapons sites.

712
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:15.440
My recently completed film UFOs and nukes. The secret link revealed will be

713
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:24.039
presented at the Moufon Symposium in Orlando. I think it is quite convincing.

714
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:29.159
The feedback that I've gotten over the
three months that it's been available online is

715
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:33.000
uniformly favorable. This, in effect, has become my life's work, for

716
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:39.920
better or worse. I have long
referred to myself as simply being the messenger.

717
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:45.079
The US military veterans are the heroes
in this story. I am simply

718
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:51.280
conveying their message to the public.
I have repeatedly said that these individuals were

719
01:07:51.440 --> 01:08:00.000
entrusted by the US government to initiate
World War III, literally by turning keys

720
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:04.599
and launching missiles, which would have
resulted in millions of Soviet citizens dying in

721
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:12.119
a nuclear holocaust if it had come
to that. And now these same trusted

722
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:17.079
persons, the persons who were entrusted
with these tremendously important responsibilities, have now

723
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:24.359
come forward in large numbers and said
that UFOs have long monitored and even tampered

724
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:30.640
with American nuclear weapons. I believe
this message is worthy of public attention.

725
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:38.359
I will be attempting once again at
the upcoming symposium to present my best case

726
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:45.239
for UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites. Thank you so much to Morgan Bell

727
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:49.479
for getting me the audio for all
of these great little mini interviews. I

728
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:54.319
think they're fascinating. It's so fun, and you know, there's something kind

729
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:58.560
of cool and more intimate about hearing
these guys, you know, in their

730
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:03.239
own environment and talking about this topic. Essentially, you know, they were

731
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:10.520
asked via email some questions and then
asked to record themselves responding to them,

732
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.720
and then they sent those audio clips
to Morgan. Morgan then made YouTube videos

733
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.880
with some pictures and images, and
they're great and I thought it would be

734
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:24.880
fun because even myself, you know, prior to having put this together,

735
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:28.920
I had only heard one or two
here or there. I hadn't heard all

736
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.680
of them, and so it's great
to hear them all, and it's really

737
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:34.680
fun to hear them next to each
other, just to see the different perspectives,

738
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:40.199
to see some of the differences,
but also the great similarities. And

739
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:44.880
one of the similarities that I really
appreciate is that you can tell all of

740
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:49.000
these people have a passion but have
also got a lot of experience doing a

741
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:56.520
lot of research into the topic.
To you know, there are decades and

742
01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:01.399
decades worth of research represented with all
of these people, and so it's a

743
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:10.079
great opportunity to really, you know, here in detail what inspires people like

744
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:15.439
this and where they're at after years
of research on this topic. So I

745
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:18.680
love those little clips. I thought
Morgan did a great job with the questions

746
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:23.520
and putting those together, and I
was so grateful that he provided them to

747
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:27.279
me so I could edit them together
in one long piece like this, And

748
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:31.520
it just shows how exciting this conference
is going to be. They've done a

749
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:36.359
great job choosing speakers, so you
could go to moufon symposium dot com in

750
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:42.520
order to take a look at some
more information about the speakers and when and

751
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.640
wheres and all of that kind of
thing. It's not this weekend, it's

752
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:50.439
a weekend after is when the event
is mostly held. It begins actually something

753
01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:55.920
like Thursday. They do, you
know, build investigator trainings and all of

754
01:10:55.960 --> 01:11:01.159
this sort of thing prior to the
actual elect and so it's a lot of

755
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.920
fun. It's something that you know, we do every year, as you

756
01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:08.920
probably know because I have interviews from
there or talk about it every year,

757
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:12.680
and so I'm really excited to be
able to speak there, and I'm very

758
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:16.159
grateful that they've asked me to speak, and this talk that I actually put

759
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.079
together or began to put together a
couple of years ago. I've done it,

760
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:23.840
i think in Roswell before, but
it was with the main intention of

761
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:29.279
hopefully being able to do this talk
at mouf On at some point, and

762
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:31.800
so I'm just really excited about that. This is gonna be a lot of

763
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:44.159
fun. Otherwise, I want to
think another thing that you can do is

764
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:48.279
if you heard an audio you know
somebody that you liked then, and I

765
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:53.880
mean like not just like, but
maybe even liked. Liked. Yeah,

766
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:59.359
so in a romantic way, because
and you know, I'm going off on

767
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:04.640
a tangent, but it's probably because
I first my first date with my current

768
01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:11.239
girlfriend was at a Moufon event actually, and I believe this woman to be

769
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:15.600
the love of my life. So
you know, maybe one of these speakers

770
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:17.560
is the love of your life.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Look,

771
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:23.199
I'm just a romantic at heart,
and everyone deserves love. And I

772
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.600
know at least one of these people. I know, Paula. I'm pretty

773
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:31.520
sure I think Paula's single currently.
I'm not one hundred percent, but she's

774
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:39.119
a catch. She's a really great
woman, and I'm sure there are others,

775
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:44.479
so even romance could be sparked at
the mouf On Symposium. However,

776
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.960
if you're looking for UFO information,
of course that's going to be abundant.

777
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:51.560
But what I think I was getting
at in the first place is that,

778
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:57.239
yeah, these videos are if you
heard someone you like, not like like,

779
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.159
but just like you could be.
Look at the videos too, you

780
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:05.359
see more about who they are,
some pictures of them, and at MoveOn

781
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:10.159
Symposium dot com you'll be able to
find links to their pages if they have

782
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.600
them, and of course come to
the conference to be able to hear more

783
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:17.119
about them. You can hear more
about some of these speakers also on our

784
01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:23.760
page at Openminds dot tv, because
some of these people such as Robert Powell,

785
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:29.880
Paula Harris, Kathleen Martin, they
have been speakers at the UFO Congress

786
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:35.439
and at our UFO Video portal,
we have those videos available for you all

787
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:40.600
to watch to get to know more
about them. And these are talks that

788
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.439
they've done others than the talks that
they're going to do at move On,

789
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.319
so something else they've spoken about.
So that's a lot of fun too.

790
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:50.479
In fact, we're very very proud
of the UFO Video Portal. I mean,

791
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:57.359
you get dozens and dozens of amazing
lectures to watch, lectures you do

792
01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:03.319
not see anywhere else, like Jacques
Vallet and Bob Lazar and others, and

793
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:08.479
it's only a few dollars a month
to have access to all of these unlimited

794
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:13.640
access. So I mean, I
think it's a really valuable treasure trove and

795
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:18.039
something unique on the Internet that we
provide for people. And it really helps

796
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:21.479
us because even though we do charge
a few dollars a month for this,

797
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:26.119
we don't really charge for much else. So Doug Trumbull Video, we're not

798
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:29.319
charging for that. For this podcast, we don't charge for so it really

799
01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:33.039
helps keep us in business. If
you could go check that out and get

800
01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:38.600
these videos, and I hope you
really enjoy them. We enjoy making them,

801
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:43.520
and you know, it looks easier
than it is. We've got literally

802
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:46.039
tens of thousands of dollars worth of
equipment that we use, and I think

803
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.079
I take pride in that. I
think we have the best videos of UFO

804
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:59.479
lectures because we have, you know, great equipment and really talented people like

805
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:03.319
that help us put these together.
And of course our video guy, Michael

806
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:09.520
Klein, does a great job editing
them, and so they're really great products

807
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:16.399
and you get to see these unique
events and HD recorded very carefully and clearly.

808
01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:19.640
And I don't know I should stop
going on, but I'm just very

809
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:24.359
proud of it. It's an honor
to be able to do this and to

810
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:28.560
put those things together. But yeah, you could go to the video portal.

811
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You could find that it Open Minds
that TV, along with all of

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the other news we talked about.
I want to think Caleb Hanks, who

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does the opening and close music.
He's extremely talented. On the radio page,

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you'll be able to get a link
to his work. A lot of

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his music, if not all of
it. I think he provides for free.

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I think it's wonderful. But I
also want to think, and this

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one, this person is really important. This person is probably the most important

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person to think, and I really
appreciate this person person is I know you're

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probably thinking Doug Trumbull, but no, it's you. You. Yeah,

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you're going me, yeah, you. Thank you so much for listening to

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the show. Just so happy that
there are people to enjoy the fruits of

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our efforts. And so as usual, I want to thank you the listener,

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for being here. We'll have some
more great shows coming up, and

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until then, Audio Smooth shows your
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