WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:09.199 Hudson River Radio dot com. You have the right to remain silent. I 2 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:15.000 choose to wave that right. How does south Side shot from the Asberry Jukes. 3 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:17.320 Hey, this is Tom Chapin. Hello, this is teaching in on 4 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:23.920 Rock and Roll History Show. You're listening right now, everybody. Welcome back 5 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:29.399 to the Rock and Roll History Show on Hudson River Radio on Brian Harrowitz coming 6 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:34.560 to you this week again from beautiful Biloxi, Mississippi, and we are going 7 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.119 to be doing Cops and Robbers Part two. But as always, before we 8 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.039 jump in, allow me to introduce all the crambones that are joining us here 9 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:47.520 tonight. First and foremost from the Richter Observatory. He believes every Olympic event 10 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:51.759 should have one regular person in it. Just as a reference, Neil Richter 11 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:59.399 is here. I would volunteer for that. Yeah, one regular guy. 12 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.000 Like can you imagine if you do, everybody keep hilarious. Yeah, it 13 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:11.239 would keep the stadium oup until the last marathon shows up later. I've been 14 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.920 I've been called a lot of things, but a regular guy never been one 15 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:19.680 of it. But that's why we keep you around, and I'm proud of 16 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:25.000 that. You go from paranormally yours. She wants to know if two vegans 17 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:32.640 get into an argument, is it's still called a beef cal nucleus. Sorry, 18 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:37.400 good question from the silver screen. She saw a man walk into a 19 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:41.400 bar. He lost three fingers in a tragic accident, and he has the 20 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:46.079 bartender if he'd ever be able to drive again. The bartender said probably, 21 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:57.599 but I wouldn't count on it. Mercedes Cancers here, everybody from her secret 22 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.480 bunker. She started doing lunges to stay in shape. It's a big step 23 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:07.799 forward. Becky Weisman's here. That's a good one. Brian, and of 24 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:12.639 course our newest official Crambone. She figured out that when Dwayne Johnson needs a 25 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:17.560 tool to cut with rock, pays for scissors. Jesse was a good one. 26 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.840 How's everybody doing to me? And joining us again? A special co 27 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:27.120 host from down here in Mississippi. He is a police sergeant since we're doing 28 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.639 ops and robbers, and a former Paramidi partner of mine. He knows the 29 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:35.719 difference between Harley and Hoover. One of them has the dirt bag on the 30 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:44.520 outside. Your boot is here, I'm I think, well, welcome back, 31 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.199 thanks for joining us anytime? All right? I think we should go 32 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:52.120 ahead and hop right back into Cops and Robbers, and Jess, you are 33 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:55.159 going to lead us off this week, so it's all you all right, 34 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:59.919 Well, I know everyone loves my how did I come to pick this song? 35 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.159 Stories? And I gotta tell you, this was a tough one. 36 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:09.639 So I started doing research for this episode, and I all the songs that 37 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:15.639 started to come up as suggestions were so polarized. They were either very anti 38 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:22.439 police and had themes against you know, police brutality and we're talking about that 39 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:28.039 theme. Or they were very you know, supportive songs and very like we're, 40 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.879 you know, we're the men and women in blue type of thing. 41 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:36.800 And I really didn't feel like getting into politics and doing anything quite that heavy, 42 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:42.960 so I thought I picked a song that was not nearly so heavy, 43 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.719 And actually, I think I'm kind of wrong. As I started to learn 44 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.039 a little bit more about this and the more I listened to it, there's 45 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.879 some some deep themes in this one too. So the song is called dream 46 00:03:53.879 --> 00:04:00.039 Police by Cheap Trick. It was released on in September of nineteen seventy nine 47 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.159 on the album by the same name. The genre is considered to be classic 48 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:09.960 rock or power rock or pop rock. It was written by Rick Nielsen. 49 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:15.400 It charted at number twenty six on the Billboard Hot one hundred and the B 50 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:20.399 side to the album that song was called Heaven Tonight. So the themes, 51 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:25.959 you know what, let's take a listen and then we'll talk more about it. 52 00:04:46.040 --> 00:05:02.839 Is she nice? Don't thank us? I trust awaiting puppy there be 53 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:28.000 for me when you say all say say side, I pray side to be 54 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:40.959 in my bay dreams of the jo oh t place because they're listening to me. 55 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:56.040 Was sleep and little spying on me? Die away with me? And 56 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:15.120 I say said, I try to sleep their wide away. They won't let 57 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.279 me alone. They don't get paid to take vacations. I let me alone. 58 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.800 They find me. I try to hide. They won't let me alone. 59 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:43.240 They person give me that a judge and jury on any wanted. It's 60 00:06:43.319 --> 00:07:42.240 a waiting for me. They're looking for me, say say side by the 61 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:49.360 side, but the dam police stick come to be in the the dream police 62 00:07:49.360 --> 00:08:03.959 stick coming to the sname the dream plays the day police. So Rick Nielsen 63 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.439 did a couple of different interviews about you know what the song was actually about 64 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.759 in a book called Reputation is a Fragile Thing by authors Haze and Sharp that 65 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.439 was published in nineteen ninety eight. Nielsen is related to have said that the 66 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:24.439 song was about taking a heavy thought that of a quick bit of rim sleep, 67 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.959 snatched right before waking up, and putting it into a pop format. 68 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:37.159 In a later article in twenty fifteen by author Dave Swanson in forty Years of 69 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:45.200 Cheap Trick, dream Police Becomes a Belated Smash, Nielsen also said that the 70 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:50.360 song was about big brother watching you. So even though it's a very poppy 71 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.639 song, which I think that the band really hit the nail on the head 72 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.480 in terms of wanting that, you know, pop kind of catchy song. 73 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:03.960 I read so many comments that this song is considered to be cheap Tricks like 74 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.679 number three hit and too. I don't know if you guys were familiar with 75 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.720 it, but I didn't even know this song. And I've been to c 76 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:16.080 Cheap Trick a couple of times, so pretty pretty significant. The song was 77 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:24.240 called everything from described as powerhouse, magnificent, a tour to force there's it's 78 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:30.519 it's really a significant hit for them. But my absolute favorite quote about you 79 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.000 know the song itself was from Tom McGuinness of AllMusic who called it a tongue 80 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.360 and cheek or Welly and nightmare, and I just thought that was like the 81 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:46.399 coolest description and it really kind of reflects the paranoia of the singer. But 82 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.919 then you think, like is it paranoia or is it this whole concept of 83 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.320 getting in trouble for you know, your thoughts and like what's going on in 84 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.480 your head when you're not in control of your thoughts and who's watching and who's 85 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.840 monitoring all that stuff. So not as light as I thought, but definitely 86 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:07.159 poppy sound and kind of catchy, catchy tune. So I don't know what 87 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.759 you guys think, but I almost picked that one. I really like that 88 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:18.039 song. Paranoia can work to your advantage sometimes. Absolutely, you kind of 89 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.840 got to keep your eyes open all the time. You never know. It's 90 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:26.360 not paranoid if they are watching you, Actually it is. You're just right 91 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:33.080 about it. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get exactly 92 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.399 there you go, And how would you know if you're not paranoid? You 93 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:41.559 gotta pay attention. But I think, yeah, that the writer that said, 94 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.799 you know, the Orwellian, brave new world dystopian, you know, 95 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.200 Nightmare Future. It totally it totally. It was it was like, you 96 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.399 know, like a sci fi pop song. You know, it had all 97 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.600 all the right elements and the production is just fantastic and it's great. Great 98 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.320 song. Yeah, a song. All right, thank you, Jess Becky, 99 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:09.240 you are up. Well. I have to say I did my research 100 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:16.879 for the topic, and the songs we were just too sad and tragic for 101 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.639 me, you know, with all these crimes happening and or people wrongly accused. 102 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:28.840 So I went in a completely different direction and went with something completely fictional. 103 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:35.240 So the song I chose is Invincible by Pat Benatar. The song is 104 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:43.799 actually the theme song from the movie The Legend of Billy Jean from nineteen eighty 105 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.039 five. Now, I admit I thought I had seen the movie, but 106 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.840 apparently I think I just saw the video over and over and over and never 107 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.159 actually watched the movie. So I will give you a very brief synopsis of 108 00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:01.879 the movie. The movie stars Helen's Later and Chians Later when he was super 109 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.600 young. It was it was released in nineteen eighty five, just like the 110 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:11.080 song, and so they're brother and sister in Texas and Billy Jean, you 111 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:16.720 know, she's pretty and the jerky rich dude at schools hitting on her, 112 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.559 and the little brother throws milkshake at him and he gets mad and he and 113 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:26.679 his clique of people come steal a little brother's scooter and they trash it. 114 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.559 They don't return it. She goes to the cops and said, hey, 115 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.120 you know, my brother's scooter is stolen. Okay, they say, don't 116 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:39.639 worry about it. So the scooter comes back all destroyed, and then the 117 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:45.759 brother is all beaten up. This is by the rich dude at her high 118 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:50.600 their high school kids or whatever. Yea, So, okay, scooter is 119 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:56.399 destroyed and it costs all of six hundred and eight dollars to prepare. This 120 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:00.240 is in nineteen eighty five, so they don't have the money for it, 121 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.279 and so Billy Jean goes to the rich guy and says, you have to 122 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.519 pay for this. And he goes to his dad and says, oh, 123 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.519 you know, you have to pay for this, and Billy Jean what Willie 124 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.480 Jean asks the dad for the money, and he tries to rape her, 125 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.360 and the little brother comes in. He was he was going in the cash 126 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.759 register trying to just he thought, oh, I'll just steal the money, 127 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.559 but he finds a gun instead, and so he it acts the guy who 128 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.399 owns it, the rich rich kid's dad who's trying to you know, rape 129 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.360 the sister. He's like, oh yeah, well, you know, that's 130 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.000 not even loaded. And so Billy Jean's brother just goes, oh okay, 131 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.039 boom, you know, goes off and then the guy gets shot in the 132 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:50.240 shoulder, and then oh no, so we gotta run away. So Billie 133 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.120 Jean and her brother's the character's name is Banks, and two of their other 134 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.679 friends they run off and they're they're on the run. Then they're like fugitives 135 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:05.799 because of this situation with this guy getting shot. Anyway, then they take 136 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:13.399 a fake hostage who apparently is the das son and another teenager, and you 137 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.000 know, like they make all these videos and stuff like we're demanding, you 138 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.399 know, we demand justice. But the thing I forgot to mention is in 139 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:26.120 the beginning of the movie Billy Jean, she just looks like a teenager, 140 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.240 a teenage girl, long blonde hair, really pretty and stuff. But then 141 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.919 once she's on the run, she cuts her hair and she's like, got 142 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:39.519 this crew cut, and she puts on this crazy outfit of a scuba top 143 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.600 and these you know, army boots and all the stuff. She's tough and 144 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.679 they say that she's like a modern day Joan of arc. So anyway, 145 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:54.320 I won't I won't borrow you anymore with this. But in the end they 146 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.039 get I don't know, I guess the guy, the dad, the guys 147 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.639 I have to find that. I don't remember the character's name. Hang on, 148 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.879 let me describing. And I remember, I think when we first got 149 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.639 cable when I was young. I think they must have shown it like repeatedly. 150 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:22.519 Yes, I remember. The character is Piet Is the day. I 151 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.720 guess that's his last name. Uh. He offers in the end, you 152 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.240 know, to make things right, pay and she's like, I don't want 153 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:33.600 your money. And this was anyway, this was in Texas. That's like 154 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.480 gym class, isn't it. Yeah, And the brother gets shot in the 155 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.159 end in this kind of mix up where he's posing as Billy Jean when they 156 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.159 bring the few, the the hostage back or whatever. I didn't watch the 157 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:50.679 movie, so I can't really elaborate. All I know is it's about young 158 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:58.000 kids going on the run. And so the title song by Pat Benattar Invincible 159 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.720 is is Oh, I forgot to tell you who was written by, because 160 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:07.440 that's important. It was written by Holly Knight and Simon Klemy, and Holly 161 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.200 said that she had gotten the script so she she had a direction of what 162 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.919 to write about. So when we listen to the song, you'll hear, 163 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.440 you know, this like this power theme of like we're not going to give 164 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.159 up, We're invincible, and it's like this Billie Jean modern day Joan of 165 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.919 Arc on the run with her kids, and she inspires all the other kids 166 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.559 in the town to, you know, like be tough and strong and fight 167 00:16:29.679 --> 00:17:00.159 for justice. So let's hear the song. This bloody real names mystery the 168 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:14.279 Sunda spoons. What are we waiting for? What? Ever? By hope, 169 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:30.759 what are we waiting? We get apart? They set mos to which 170 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:52.640 we will be smo in the shutter dream. You cannot just by welcome, 171 00:17:52.079 --> 00:18:03.559 scream to satis, by what do we running? All? We've got gonna 172 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:11.400 right to be angry? What are we running? When? No, wen 173 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:27.720 we get the place and to all die situation, we will be in the 174 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:41.240 never with the fall conviction, no sacrifice, to all die situation, we 175 00:18:41.599 --> 00:19:30.960 will be won and help. What do we run a when les so we 176 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:41.480 can't run to anymore, we cannot part, and the man day and you 177 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:57.200 all die, We will be and will fo no SI fight and you want 178 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:42.640 to die you wi mmmmmmmm. So as we were hearing the song, we 179 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:48.759 were just having a little sidebar about most people who feel that the movie is 180 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:53.480 terrible. So I don't feel so bad that I didn't see it, Mercedes 181 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.640 have it sounds terrible. I've not seen it, but I don't think it's 182 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:02.240 mandatory. Yeah, it's I think it really is a terrible movie. I 183 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:06.160 mean, we've talked about movies and songs before, and I did go and 184 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.279 watch the movies, but I couldn't do it with this one. So I 185 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.640 just launched the video again. And Pat Benatar is just, you know, 186 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:17.200 incredible, what a voice this woman has. I love Pat Benatar. This 187 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.559 was if I didn't mention, it was her seventh album. It was titled 188 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:25.720 seven the Hard Way. It was one album where she was she said it 189 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.759 was the most expensive album she's ever made and it sold the fewest copies. 190 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.240 And in the video, she you know, she looks really great, and 191 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:37.119 I guess she was trying to go in a different direction from like the whole 192 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.319 spandex thing and stuff that she you know, her image as she started in 193 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.599 the early days. I know we've talked about Pat Benatar before, so I 194 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:51.480 don't want to bore you guys with it, but just a refresher for Radio 195 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:56.279 Land, is that Pat Benatar, our neighbor, was born in Greenport, 196 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:03.039 Greenpoint, Brooklyn. She grew up lint in her Long Island. She was 197 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:07.039 a trained classical singer metzeo soprano, you know, and she just has an 198 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.920 awesome voice. She was going to go to Juilliard instead, she went to 199 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:14.880 Stony Brook for a year in health education. She dropped out and married her 200 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:19.759 high school sweetheart, Dennis Benettar that it was a short lived union. Was 201 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:27.119 that Spider, Oh Spider is Neil Giraldo. So that so this Dennis Bennettar 202 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.480 guy, He was a high school sweetheart who she married and he was in 203 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:36.440 the army and they lived in Virginia. Actually they lived in Devon's, Massachusetts, 204 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:41.240 then Virginia. And she was inspired by singing a concert with Liza Minnelli 205 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.400 to you know, go ahead full force on her professional singing career. Came 206 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.599 back to New York and got her big break as she was performing at Catch 207 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.400 a Rising Star and she had a three year contract there and then got picked 208 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.359 up by Chrysalis Records and when she started, you know, it's seventy nine 209 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:02.799 with her own musical career. That's when she met Neil Giraldo, her husband's 210 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.160 who is an awesome guitarist and he goes by the nickname Spider, and you 211 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:11.640 can see things like he plays a guitar where it actually says Spider on it, 212 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.000 which is really cool. And they were both together inducted into the Rock 213 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:22.160 and Roll Hall of Fame in twenty twenty two. You can see an episode 214 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:26.319 Crossroads with Pat and Martina McBride on CMT, which is pretty cool as well. 215 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.400 And I didn't know this. Two things I didn't know. I just 216 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:37.559 want to mention, is that okay? She Apparently there was a musical called 217 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:45.319 Invincible that Neil Giraldo did all the orchestration and it's a modern day rendition of 218 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:52.359 Romeo and Juliet and it was in based on the movie No which is so 219 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.799 funny because it's got the stake, it's got the same name as the song 220 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.880 from the movie, but it has nothing to do with the movie, which 221 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.279 is good because I also read that in concert she would say that this is 222 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.000 this is a great song from a terrible movie. I don't know if that's 223 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:11.640 true. I did see her live in Manchester, New Hampshire, and it 224 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.160 was awesome. She did not sing this song, which was okay, or 225 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.599 maybe she did, I don't remember. I just remember like being in that 226 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.519 variety. It was at the time Verizon Wireless Arena huge like for hockey games, 227 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:27.160 and just thinking, oh my gosh, I'm bringing the same air as 228 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:32.640 Pat Benatar. I can't even believe this. I was so excited and oh, 229 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.680 it's just so awesome. Anyway, the other thing I was gonna say 230 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:42.960 is that Pat and Spider are going to be on. Excuse me, I 231 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:49.519 always get froggy when it's my turn. Austin City Limits, September twenty four. 232 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:52.880 I can't wait to see that. So I don't know when it will 233 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.799 air, but that's when they're going to be on. I don't know if 234 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:03.720 I left anything out, but she's if you don't mind. With regards to 235 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.920 the Terrible movie, did it have Did it result in a spike in sales 236 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:15.160 of scooby gear and scuba related clothing? No, but you know what, 237 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.880 Brian, I just remember the most important thing I was going to say about 238 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.079 it that I completely forgot. So listen carefully because you have to answer this 239 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:27.200 quiz. One of the characters in the movie is named Putter, played by 240 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:33.559 yard Lee Smith, a young yard Lee Smith. Uh huh does that name 241 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.319 ring a bell? Uh? Yeah, And Brian will tell us who Yard 242 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:47.240 Lee Smith is? Lisa Simpson. That's right, Simpson. Yep. So 243 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:52.119 there's the redeeming factor of this movie. In addition to the awesome song by 244 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:57.079 Pat Benatar's, yard Lee Smith was in it, and yep, she she 245 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:02.680 went, she's down there. Remember. I just I don't remember the plot. 246 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:06.160 I just remember watching it, and I remember Yardly because she had like 247 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.920 a shorter kind of haircut. I just remember. Yeah, I don't know. 248 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.440 It must have been early cable days or something. Must have been a 249 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.400 real cheap movie because it was so bad that they could just show it over 250 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.720 and over again. Yeah, and you know they do. Apparently they have 251 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:23.039 shown it over and over and people. Even though it's considered a terrible movie 252 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.519 by most, it's also considered a great movie by so many. And if 253 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:32.519 you do some research on this song online, you'll read so many comments by 254 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.799 people about oh, this is a great movie. Oh I loved this movie. 255 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.160 I used to watch this all the time in the eighties and this was 256 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.200 so awesome. So, you know, all right, more power to anybody 257 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.039 who enjoyed this movie. I'm sorry, you know, if I if I 258 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.599 heard anybody's feelings, I like, I said, I haven't seen it, 259 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.079 but I'm getting you haven't. I'm guessing to watch it now. If you 260 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.039 did watch it back then, it would not be as good as you remember, 261 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.279 wouldn't hold up, you know, I'm thinking, I'm guessing not so 262 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:03.839 much. It's ninety minutes the probably aged Badley House. Yeah, although it 263 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.680 might change your fashion. You might start wearing scuba gear out. I kind 264 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.680 of want to see with all that's about. Yeah, I'm sort of curious 265 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.799 now, say, haven't been scuba diving a number of times that trying first 266 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:21.240 of all, trying to put your dive skin on is not easy, but 267 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.160 they're so hot if you're not in the water that it just seems like the 268 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.759 dumbest choice to be out there fighting bad guys in scooba gear. You might 269 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.240 as well just cover yourself in saran wrap. Well, that is why she 270 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:38.039 cut the sleeves off, and that makes it really tough, like it's like 271 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.799 a Scooba vest because she cut the sleeves off. Yeah, but you could 272 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:48.119 do that, you know, with a cotton T shirt and a movement of 273 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.799 a cotton T shirt. It's not vigilante Joan of arc cool. You know 274 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.279 you have to have if you steal it and then cut the sleeves off, 275 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:02.599 now you now it's larceny and criminal mischief, so you're double criminal. Sounds 276 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.240 like the Warriors. Sounds like one of the Warriors gangs. This sounds like 277 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.039 the conversation is going out longer than the movie. Did it better than the 278 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:18.200 movie was? Well? Yeah, I think so indeed. But yeah, 279 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.119 I would say if you haven't seen it, that's okay. I think the 280 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:26.039 song more than makes up for it because such an awesome song, and pad 281 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:30.839 Vanantar is such an awesome person, and congrats to her revinally making the Rock 282 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.799 and Roll Hall of Fame last year, And that's what I choose for my 283 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:41.440 fictional crime fugitive song. All Right, she's so good. And I think 284 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.640 I've said this before on the show, but I'm going to repeat it. 285 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.039 Did I tell you I was at her release party for her house record. 286 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.720 You have to tell us. Yeah, it was very cool. Yeah, 287 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.759 I mean, well we got pressed copies. I mean, you know, 288 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.119 pressings of the first record, which I still have. It's like unlabeled and 289 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:07.240 I still have it somewherews. Oh wow, yeah for Christmas. I just 290 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.359 look up that's she's. You know, if you think about people you want 291 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.200 to meet in your lifetime, if you have like this short list, like 292 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.359 she's at the top of mine, it's like, oh if I could just 293 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:21.680 have a conversation with her, and I just I'm so inspired by her voice 294 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:26.279 and her life and everything. So I will be careful about be careful about 295 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:33.160 meeting your heroes. What's up? And be careful about meeting your heroes, 296 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.519 Oh, because when they crush your dreams and pop your bubble. Yeah whatever, 297 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.960 crush your bubble. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, you know, 298 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.640 I met Hart and I had my picture taken with them, but it was 299 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.720 a behind the scenes thing at one of the concerts. But they didn't actually 300 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.640 talk so really at all at all. I thought it should be a meet 301 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.279 and Greek, but it was more like a stand and get your picture taken 302 00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:03.240 thing. That's rude. Yeah, I was really disappointed. Wow, I'll 303 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.920 tell you about Sorry sorry, probably, but I tell you about the kiss, 304 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.839 meat and greet that they did during COVID. Did you say there was 305 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:18.119 glass or something. There was glass between the band and the person getting their 306 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.480 picture taken, so they were like like staying. That's like they were in 307 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.920 like in plastic like a Barbie dollar would be or something. It was hilarious. 308 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.119 I mean, kiss you know what the band in the bubble, Oh 309 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:38.119 hilarious. You know, they're so badass and there they are there in full 310 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.279 makeup and they lean against the glass. Now they're going to smush the makeup. 311 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:47.160 And then they got a kiss in print that my friend went and I 312 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.720 got it. He sent me a picture that would have been funny. He 313 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:56.240 sent me a picture and I was dying. Thing I ever saw. It's 314 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.920 just you and a giant reflection when the flat go off and you're just standing 315 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.039 and you're standing there, I swear kisses behind me and everybody's like yeah, 316 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.799 uh huh, yeah right, yeah, you're just taking the wax museum behind 317 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.519 the class exactly. That would have been a better experience. It sounds like 318 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.599 crazy, all right, Thank you, Betty. We went off topic. 319 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.480 You're welcome, Brandon. Just a little bit, all right, I think 320 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.559 we all need a breather. We're gonna take a real quick break, and 321 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.039 we'll be back with more right after this. Hudson River Radio dot Com. 322 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.119 It beats listening to nothing. This concludes the first part of this cassette. 323 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:44.599 Please turn the cassette over and begin again on side two. Hudson River Radio 324 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:49.160 dot Com. And welcome back to the Rock and Roll History Show tonight. 325 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:53.240 It's part two of Cops and Robbers and we are up to Gail, So 326 00:31:53.440 --> 00:32:00.680 Gail take it away. Hopefully my colleagues will correct me if I'm wrong. 327 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:06.680 But I don't think we've ever talked about Adam and the Ants on the Rock 328 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.960 and Roll History Show. I don't think no. But they're awesome. Thank 329 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:15.359 you Gail for talking about them. Well, I think I'm the one who 330 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:22.279 suggested this topic, and this song is what made me suggest the topic because 331 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:28.720 I get inspired usually when I'm driving two or from my office, because I'm 332 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:35.440 an old fashioned person that still listens to the radio in the car and I 333 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:44.279 listen to a public radio station and they have all different music that they play 334 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:51.599 from different genres and different times and it's so a lot of times I'll hear 335 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:55.359 a song that I haven't heard in forever, and this one just hit me 336 00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:08.720 because I remember the music video. Adam ants actual given name was Stuart Leslie 337 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:15.279 Goddard, which I never knew. Doesn't this sound like a professor or something 338 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:27.400 sounds like? And before he formed Adam and the Ants, he played bass 339 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:34.799 in a pub rock group called Bazuka Show. And I'm sure Neil and or 340 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:40.680 Mercedes probably know this already. Actually I had not heard that. You know, 341 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.720 yeah, he was around the you know, the early British punk scene, 342 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:52.799 but I did not know about Bazuka Joe. Well, as you mentioned 343 00:33:52.960 --> 00:34:00.680 the British punk scene. What Bazuka Joe was really known for now was for 344 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.480 headlining the show at which the Sex Pistols played their first gig on the sixth 345 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:13.119 of November nineteen seventy five at Central Saint Martin's College of Art and Design. 346 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:22.079 But Bazuoka Joe disbanded soon after that. Adam and the Ants formed in London 347 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:28.320 in nineteen seventy seven, so that was literally just the year before I lived 348 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.920 there for a little bit. Now, there were two versions of the band, 349 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:40.480 both of them were fronted by Adam Ant between nineteen seventy seven and nineteen 350 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:47.400 eighty two. The first version of the band was founded in May nineteen seventy 351 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:58.320 seven, and they were called The Ants Ants not Aunts, because because in 352 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.639 the U, well in the US we say ants and ants, but other 353 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:08.320 places they say ants and aunts. You know, aunt being your mother's sister 354 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:14.679 or your father's sister, whichever, you know. Anyway, they were called 355 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:21.199 the Ants until November of seventy seven, but they changed their style from punk 356 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:27.280 punk punk rock to post punk and new wave. Now, I didn't know 357 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:36.039 what's the difference between punk rock and post punk. I came first. J 358 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:45.960 Well, exactly there was a difference. I try, I try. The 359 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:51.960 post punk new wave is that when they plugged in the synthesizers, Oh okay, 360 00:35:52.519 --> 00:36:00.840 they went well. I doubt they were acoustic before that. But anyway, 361 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:06.519 so uh, as I said, they changed their style from punk rock 362 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:13.079 to post punk and new wave, and they released one album. The final 363 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:21.800 lineup of this version consisted of Dave Barbarossa, Matthew Ashman, and Lee Gorman, 364 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.199 but they all left the band in January nineteen eighty at the suggestion of 365 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:35.360 their manager Malcolm McLaren and they formed Bow Wow Wow, Mmm Wow, which 366 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:40.480 was to me, to me that really, I can't even remember what the 367 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:45.239 song was it they had out, but I remember the name. Yeah, 368 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:52.400 they were. They were epitome of eighties music now because I'm not real familiar 369 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.000 with the whole punk and new wave genre wasn't my thing back then. This 370 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.400 is the same Adam and the Ants that did what that could. Yes, 371 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:07.239 yes, I had a picture of him up on my wall so I could 372 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.239 have a good model or how to put my eyeliner on in the morning. 373 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.679 I mean, how many well there are a few, but how many men 374 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:31.840 can be gorgeous while wearing makeup? Like three of us right now. I've 375 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.960 never seen any of you in eyeliner. Yeah, well, I don't know 376 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:40.920 if he can handle it. I'm getting I'm getting a visual on it, 377 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:50.000 and it's a little scary, but that's okay. Anyway. After those guys 378 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.639 left to form Bow Wow Wow, the newer version of Adam and the Ants 379 00:37:53.800 --> 00:38:04.280 included guitarist Marco Pironi and drummer A producer Chris Hughes. And I hope somebody 380 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.400 knows what this is because I don't. They were noted for the use of 381 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:15.440 Burundi drums. M anybody, no no idea, and I didn't have a 382 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:22.559 chance to look it up anyway, So they that version existed from nineteen eighty 383 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:30.119 to nineteen eighty two, and they achieved huge commercial success in the UK their 384 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:36.079 music videos, which I remember as being awesome, awesome, awesome, creative. 385 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:43.920 They received a lot of airplay on MTV and apparently Adamant appeared as a 386 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:52.119 guest VJ on the station, and they're associated over here in the US, 387 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.719 they're associated with the Second British Invasion. Now, of course, the song 388 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:05.360 I chose because we're doing Cops and Robbers is called stand and Deliver and it 389 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.519 was the released as the lead single from their third studio album, which was 390 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:15.840 Prince Charming, and that came out in nineteen eighty one. It was their 391 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:22.159 first number one hit in the UK. Now, the phrase stand and deliver 392 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:29.760 your money or your life used in the lyrics is associated with highwaymen in eighteenth 393 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:36.000 century England, and there's where we get the Cops and Rubbers reference, because 394 00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:44.440 they're obviously the robbers. It became their first number one and it remained there 395 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:50.199 for five weeks. It was listed as the third best selling single of nineteen 396 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:55.480 eighty one, and it has sold one point zero three million copies in the 397 00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:02.400 UK. On the US Dance Chart, Stand and Deliver peaked at number thirty 398 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:07.840 eight. I have a couple more little facts to give you. Let's listen 399 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:34.599 to the song. I spend my catchup looking having your attention. But take 400 00:40:34.679 --> 00:41:01.400 this conection next. People think the same question, So what's the I robery 401 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:42.440 when nothing is must takes? What the big mistake is my mistee? Dandy 402 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:47.840 homeband some time excuses but dick meetings philosophies where on the shows loses with the 403 00:41:49.000 --> 00:42:16.280 dandy huband hither qutation the boss joined out in secreationl your soul, that's say 404 00:42:16.400 --> 00:43:35.880 my mom, that's my, that's my, my my, that's his songs 405 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.519 are always so much fun, oh my gosh, full of energy, just 406 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:49.920 crazy fun, awesome videos. And I found out something that I thought maybe 407 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:57.159 but I didn't know this was true. When I saw the video for Stand 408 00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:05.199 and Deliver, it made me think of the Dennis Moore sketch from Monty Python's 409 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:20.800 Flying Circus. Absolutely and and guess what it was heavily influenced by that sketch. 410 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.239 I mean you figure the song came out in nineteen eighty one. The 411 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:31.280 Monty Python stuff was probably in the nineteen seventies. Yeah, nineteen seventy three 412 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:40.760 was the Monty Python sketch Dennis Moore, which was about a highwayman that was 413 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:50.880 stealing loupins, which are flowers. For those that people don't know, loopins 414 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:59.559 are flowers and that's what Dennis Moore was stealing and telling people to stand and 415 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.599 of her. And part of there was a song that went with it, 416 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:09.239 Dennis Moore Denis Moore Riding through the Night. But that's that's another hole. 417 00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:13.000 Yeah, I remember the sketch. I think it was on one of the 418 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:19.599 one of their albums too, one of Monty Python, remember, you know, 419 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:25.559 playing you know over and over. I just the connection is so cool 420 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:31.000 because I love Monty Python and I love adam Ant, and what a wonderful 421 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:38.320 what a wonderful connection they are now. In two thousand and three, adam 422 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:45.000 Ant embarked on an ill fated attempt to raise awareness of the plight of the 423 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:52.039 endangered mountain gorilla in Central Africa. He reworked Stand and Deliver into Save the 424 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:59.360 Gorilla. Say they Go, Rula, But Apparently it didn't go over too 425 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:07.199 well. Imagine didn't catch didn't catch on like no. It was supposed to 426 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:14.199 have been the lead track of a five track EP, with the remaining four 427 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:19.159 tracks all being covers chosen for a jungle slash primate theme. I would have 428 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:30.960 been like grabbed d banana. There's yeah, there's a lot. So two 429 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:37.880 thousand copies of that were pressed. Co writer Marco Peroni and the original song 430 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:46.199 publishers yah My Publishing blocked its release just days before its intended release on seventeenth 431 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:52.760 November, and the EP was withdrawn after paying for it. Wow. Yeah, 432 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:04.239 yeah, So I very highly suggest people look up the video for Adam 433 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:09.119 and the Ants doing Stand and Deliver and look up the Monty Python sketch. 434 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:15.480 Dennis Moore's probably on YouTube somewhere, and I think you will very much enjoy 435 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:21.280 both. I'll be doing that. Yeah, that's serious. Yeah, you're 436 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.519 gonna like it. You're gonna like it. Trust me. It's just a 437 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:29.559 flesh I know. I know this might this might shock you, But I 438 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:35.920 actually saw Adam and the Ants live. I've been concert and oh I'm so 439 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:40.280 jealous. It was it was sometime in the eighties. Obviously it was. 440 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.360 It was like later on and you know, and I had heard all the 441 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.800 songs and his luck, Oh that'll be fun. Now I hate to you 442 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.400 know, maybe burst your bubble or whatever. But they did not translate live 443 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:59.119 as well as they did on on record. Oh I can imagine. I 444 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.880 can imagine. The stage set of it. It was kind of like this, 445 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.280 uh it kind of looked like the Hollywood squares. Okay, like it 446 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.559 was like this, all these these like you know, boxes stacked up and 447 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.519 each member of the band was in one of the boxes. If I recall 448 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.599 it was was he at least the center square. It was chaotic. I 449 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.599 actually it was. It was like I was, I was really kind of 450 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.639 like, what what's going on here? You know? I mean there was 451 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.159 I think there were there were a lot of drums. I don't know if 452 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:36.679 there were those uh yeah, yeah, but I mean, which makes sense 453 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.639 because that was predominant even on their records. There was a lot of a 454 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:44.280 lot of percussion going on, which was you know, pretty neat. But 455 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:49.039 yeah, I had no idea what was going on and what kind of you 456 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.079 know, made the whole thing goes sour on me? Like I was, 457 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.000 and I wasn't that old back then, but I felt like I was had 458 00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.639 gone to grade school because I was just a bunch of screaming pre teen girls 459 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.400 or you know. Yoh no, I said, I think I'm in the 460 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:13.719 wrong place at the wrong time. But so yeah, and I was kind 461 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.639 of disappointed, unfortunately, But I still like the records, and you know, 462 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:22.880 I think he's cool. Yes, and let's bring back that eyeliner. 463 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:30.639 Yoh yeah, everybody there eyeliner. Still I'm still horrible at putting eyeliner on, 464 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:37.519 and I usually give up because I just I look ridiculous. It takes 465 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:45.400 a lot of practice. Tutorials coming would that now it's a second career. 466 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:50.679 He could put you know, tutorials on how to do eyeliner and you know 467 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:57.320 makeup, makeup, tip nail. There's ten billions, yes, yes, 468 00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.840 and you really got to time it right, the whole lighter to the eye 469 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:05.800 because it's been a long time since. I don't know. I would. 470 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.599 I would take a reverse approach and just cover everything and then remove what you 471 00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:19.400 don't want. There you go, that might actually work, So I don't 472 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:24.360 know, it couldn't be any worse. This next week, Well, you 473 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.760 know, somebody will take that idea, Brian, and they'll go on YouTube 474 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.119 and it will go viral, like, oh, let's you know for eyeliner, 475 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:37.440 just like make the whole eye black and then should all removed? Say 476 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.400 it out loud, that big that eyeliner company, I think Sharpie. I 477 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:47.639 think they're called all the way around. And then you take it all one 478 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:51.199 of the little prep pads and you just wipe off what you don't need. 479 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.519 It'll be like one of those things you used to buy when you were kids 480 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.239 and you would scrape off all the black and it had the color underneath. 481 00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:01.760 Yes, yeah, okay, how much? What what can we give Brian 482 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:09.280 to do that next week? Banana banana? That sounds good. That seems 483 00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:15.840 fair. You've got to do that tutorial, all right, We'll see how 484 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.880 it goes with the Sharpie you think. Oh and Becky's going to wear the 485 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:28.360 scuba outfit from Billy Jean. Oh yeah, but in hot pink and black. 486 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.079 Yes, I think that's more than fair. Yeah. I actually did 487 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.800 have I had a swimsuit, just not a scuba suit, but a scuba 488 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:44.679 inspired pink and black swimsuit in nineteen eighty eight mins three years after this movie. 489 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.000 So I missed that. I missed the whole look, you know, 490 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.119 like the Scooba thing. It was great you were bringing it back, Yeah 491 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.079 you were. Okay, if I don't see this, I'm gonna be really 492 00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.280 upset. So I don't know about anybody else. They think I'm not going 493 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:08.639 to do this. Oh I'm excited. We know you. Yeah all right, 494 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.679 well thank you gal. Now you gave me a whole bunch of homework 495 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:17.079 to do, yea, And you set the stage perfectly for me to bring 496 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:22.559 everything crashing down into a horrible mood, as it is my specialty. So 497 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.719 yeah, I've been trying to figure out what's cups and rubbers about this song. 498 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.960 Yeah, yeah, So well, why don't we dig into it and 499 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:35.679 let's find out. We're going to go back to the early nineteen thirties and 500 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.119 a New York City public school teacher named Abel Mirapole who wrote a poem that 501 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:45.599 he called Bitter Fruit, which was inspired by a haunting photograph he had seen 502 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:50.480 of two young black men hanging from a tree because they had been lynched. 503 00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:57.679 Talk about going in one hundred and eighty degree different thing. Now, that 504 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.199 wasn't the criminal part, because, believe it or not, lynch wasn't illegal 505 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:07.840 at the time, so the poem Bitter Fruit was first published in a nineteen 506 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:13.880 thirty seven edition of the New York Teachers Union newsletter. Mirapol was also an 507 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.440 amateur musician, and he set his poem to music. A nightclub owner heard 508 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:22.679 the song and passed it on to Billie Holiday, who sang in her act 509 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:28.159 almost every night for months. She wanted to record it, but her label, 510 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.119 Columbia Records, wouldn't touch it because even though the song didn't specifically mention 511 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:38.000 lynching, it was very provocative and very political. A smaller company named Commodore 512 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:44.239 Records agreed to record it under a new title, Strange Fruit. It never 513 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:49.599 had significant airtime. Radio stations in the South refused to play it outright, 514 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.400 and radio stations in the North were afraid to stir up controversy, so most 515 00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:58.199 of them avoided it as well. But even without the support of radio, 516 00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.360 the song struck a nerve with the public, and it made it to number 517 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.559 sixteen on the Billboard charts, which is unheard of for a song that had 518 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.119 no real commercial support. So it definitely affected people and it got people's attention. 519 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.960 But able Mirapole's story is even more complex. He was a Communist, 520 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:21.039 as were many New York City teachers at the time. Keep in mind this 521 00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:25.599 is early nineteen forties, before World War Two, before McCarthyism. He wound 522 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:31.400 up getting called before a state committee investigating communism in public schools. The committee 523 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:37.280 wanted to know specifically if the American Communist Party paid him to write the song, 524 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.280 which they did not. Mirapole wound up leaving the Communist Party shortly thereafter, 525 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.519 and he also quit teaching in nineteen forty five. Later on, in 526 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.920 nineteen fifty three, after World War Two had ended and around the beginning of 527 00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:55.840 the Cold War, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were executed for espionage, leaving behind 528 00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.280 two young sons. You might remember that they were accused of passing sea of 529 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:05.920 the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union. Later that year, at a Christmas 530 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:09.599 party, Mirapole was introduced to the two young sons, the two young Rosenbergs, 531 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:14.280 and within weeks they were living with him. He gave them a home 532 00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:19.159 because they didn't have parents anymore. Given that McCarthyism was in full swing, 533 00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.679 it was actually a pretty courageous thing to do, and I think it was 534 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:23.760 a very nice thing for him to do, because the kids had nothing to 535 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:30.400 do with any of it. Strange Fruit has been covered countless times, but 536 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.599 I thought we would go with the original by Billie Holiday. Billy was born 537 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.559 Eleanora Fagan in nineteen fifteen. She had a rough childhood, just way too 538 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:44.280 much to cover here on this show right now. She started performing in clubs 539 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.840 and Harlem as a teenager under her stage name, which she got from an 540 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:52.559 actress she liked, named Billy Dove, and the last name came from Clarence 541 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:58.280 Holiday, which is the man who was probably her father, but no one's 542 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:02.679 really sure. It was originally spelled h l I Day, but everybody got 543 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.320 it wrong, so she just changed it to Holiday, like we know now. 544 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.199 She had a unique way of phrasing and pronunciation, and she had the 545 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.320 ability to improvise with her voice, which brought her a lot of mainstream success 546 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:21.679 even though she had no formal training. Unfortunately, she had some major drug 547 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.519 problems which led to prison time and it wound up tanking her career. She 548 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:30.880 wound up developing crosis of the liver, and she died in nineteen fifty nine, 549 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.760 and she was only forty four years old, which is a real shame, 550 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:38.039 a career cut short. So she hit it big and came crashing back 551 00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:45.719 down. So let's check out a really exciting, uplifting song about lynching, 552 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:51.639 written by a communist and sung by a convicted drug abuser. How's that for 553 00:56:51.719 --> 00:57:29.079 a downer? Sian trees bear strange fruit, blood on leaves and blood at 554 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:45.159 the black bodies swinging in the side. Then breathe strange fruit hanging in the 555 00:57:45.280 --> 00:58:19.000 mid from the poplar trees, past scene of the gallant south, the buching 556 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:40.159 ass and the twisted mouth set of magnolia sweet free. Then the sudden smell 557 00:58:43.480 --> 00:59:07.840 of burnea flash he of fruit for the crows to plant Father together Father the 558 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:36.239 wind to set Father sent to father tree to draw. He a strange and 559 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:53.679 bitch Cora kind of makes you pausing place for a minute, doesn't it. 560 00:59:54.400 --> 01:00:01.880 Oh yeah, yeah, thanks for setting me up for that girl. So 561 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.159 okay, I don't need George Orwell for nightmares tonight. Just let's say it 562 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:13.559 after that song. Yeah, it's brutal, and I think you can definitely 563 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:17.039 see why Billy Holliday wanted to record it. Yeah, well it's it's she 564 01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:22.199 sings it. I mean, she's amazing. Yeah, but she sings it 565 01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:27.360 so beautifully. Yeah, and you're you're mesmerized. It's like you have to 566 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:32.960 listen to it and like catch every word. Yeah, Now did she who 567 01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.960 wrote the music for it or who arranged it? Do we know that? 568 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.639 Because I don't know who arranged that version? Was just certain points in there, 569 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.920 like that one spot where they just hit that one note on the piano 570 01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:50.519 that accented that one word. That was cool. Yeah, and then yep, 571 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:55.400 thanks, Oh, you're welcome. That's what we do here pretty much 572 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.880 every week. Somebody has to pick it down and I try to pick the 573 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.400 down. He is down that I can all right, yea, what are 574 01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:07.719 we doing after this? To this? Well, this is why I chose 575 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:15.519 a song about a fictional situation, because that's I did you know strange fruit 576 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.119 I read about and I was like this is just too heavy and depressing. 577 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:25.559 Yeah, but right good, she's legendary. Yeah, this is amazing. 578 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:31.719 Thanks a lot, Brian, You're welcome. You're welcome again. I'm going 579 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.800 to take it as a as a cue to pull the plug and we'll call 580 01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.239 my night. Give everybody a lot to think about so they can start to 581 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:44.519 research therapists. Yeah, yeah, all right, well, thank you Crambones, 582 01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:46.960 excellent selection as always, and thank you everybody for joining us here on 583 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:51.840 the Rock and Roll History Show. 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