WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:24.760 Willie brought you by Choice Hotels, Acono Lodge and Roadway In Hotels are serving 2 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:29.679 up double points for every qualifying stay book at Choice Hotels dot com. Now 3 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:34.640 here's the man who's been recognized as radio's best, the recipient of not one 4 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:41.119 but two prestigious Marconi Awards for his broadcast Episodence, the one and only Bill 5 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.840 cunninghadr Billy Cunningham, the grant American, of course, John Lott worked in 6 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:50.439 the Department of Justice, written many books, including More Guns, Less Crime 7 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.320 and Advised Against Guns and Freedom Nomics, and so much more. As an 8 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.920 expert when it comes to economic matters and gun rights and those kinds of things, 9 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:03.640 I also can carey and matters of that type. And John Lott, 10 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.680 welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And John, I read with interest 11 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.200 you sent me several days ago a column or something relative to what was happening 12 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:17.920 in Israel and why it was somewhat easy, which is disgusting to have these 13 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:22.920 kibbutz's, which was also very similar to a commune type living to kill so 14 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.159 many people. And with your permission, I like to relate to the American 15 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.239 people my experiences in Israel in May, and it may shed some light on 16 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.599 that opinion. Well, sure, thanks for having me on, John Lott. 17 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.760 I spent a lot of time in Israel, and Jerusalem is filled with 18 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:45.760 oozzi's and submachine guns held by the IDF. Felt as safe as in my 19 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:49.640 mother's arms. We stayed in downtown Jerusalem, went to the south to Mesade, 20 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.319 to spend time in Tel Aviv, three or four other Israeli cities. 21 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.760 And when I travel, I like to interview people, which is kind of 22 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:02.280 kind of my thing, and I some Israelis how difficult or how easy is 23 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:07.840 it for someone is an Israeli citizen to have a firearm in your home because 24 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:13.479 no one was carrying except the military, and it was very difficult. One 25 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.960 person told me an editor of a newspaper that less than two percent of Israeli 26 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:23.439 adults have the opportunity or right to carry a gun. There's a process involved, 27 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.840 and it was thought that we're safe. And so one of the reasons 28 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.240 I think you pointed out to me is that it was somewhat easy for these 29 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:38.080 murderers and rapists hyped up on drugs to kill so many is that many Israelis 30 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:43.560 did not have weapons in their own home, and those few kibbutzs and communal 31 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.520 living areas that did have them had a much better result. So can we 32 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:53.520 relate something about Israel to America and how it should have been required all along 33 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.719 for those who had been in the IDF, which is everyone after high school 34 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.919 for one to three years to be able to carry away and keep one at 35 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:07.159 home. Right. Well, Israel's had really major changes in their gun control 36 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:12.560 laws over time. Before nineteen seventy two, civilians weren't allowed to carry, 37 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.759 and Israel kind of learned the lesson the hard way that there were simply non 38 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:21.439 enough police that they could put or military they could put on the street to 39 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.639 cover all the targets that these terrorists have real tactical advantages. If you have 40 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.800 one officer on a bus and you have a terrorist, the terrorists can wait 41 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.800 for the officer to leave, where they can go and leave the bus themselves 42 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:38.919 and take another target, or they can try to take out that one officer 43 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.240 themselves, and once if they do successfully take them out, then they have 44 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.199 free reign to go after the other people on the bus. In seventy two 45 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:52.840 they changed it to they realized that they didn't have an infinite amount of money 46 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:57.680 to go and cover all the possible targets. So they started letting civilians be 47 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:00.280 able to go and carry, and in many years after that they had as 48 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.800 high as fourteen percent of the adult Jewish population being able to go and carry, 49 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:12.360 and it really changed the tactical advantage there that the terrorists has had. 50 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:16.199 I mean you, you know, in the United States we have over eight 51 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:21.560 percent of the adult population with a concealed carry permit. In many states it's 52 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:27.240 like ten percent or more. You go to a restaurant or a movie theater 53 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.839 or a grocery store and it's very likely that somebody's next to you and you 54 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.480 would never know. And the same thing is through with the terrorists there. 55 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.720 They didn't know who it was that they had to worry about it, and 56 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:44.720 it made the job even of the police safer. Unfortunately, Israel's had pretty 57 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.360 much the same debate over gun control that we've had here in the United States, 58 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:55.040 and in very recent years they've reduced it to only about three percent of 59 00:04:55.079 --> 00:05:00.959 the adult Jewish population having a permit. Net and ya who when he formed 60 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.079 the government at the beginning of the year, wanted to change that. But 61 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.560 you know, even he ran into difficulty. And it was only the day 62 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:15.279 after they had this attack that they loosened up the rules and make it easy 63 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:19.879 again or easier again for a lot of people to carry. You know, 64 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:24.360 I'm sure they wished that they had changed it a week earlier or a month 65 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.600 earlier than they did. There would have been a lot fewer casualties, because 66 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:33.920 you know, the military only was able to arrive after seven or nine hours 67 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:39.079 or so after attacks were occurring in different parts of the country. You can 68 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:45.279 only imagine how that music festival could have turned out very differently if you know, 69 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.279 some of the people there were caring concealed hind guns were able to use 70 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:53.879 it, which surely at least would have slowed down the attack and given many 71 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:58.639 people a chance to escape. And what happened I talked to emailed with a 72 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.199 friend of mine in Israel that what happened is that and I sensed it when 73 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:03.800 I was in Israel in May, and that is that there was a sense 74 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.399 we're kind of over the hump. Every now and then there's a rocket that 75 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.920 comes over from Gaza, it's shot down by the Iron Dome. Not much 76 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.360 is happening on the northern border hesblaz under control, a lot of guns everywhere. 77 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.360 It was a sense, okay, take a breath, it's peaceful. 78 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:24.439 And what happened is that there were about twenty thousand Gozins who every day went 79 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.319 through the checkpoints to work in Israel, which is good for both societies, 80 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.399 and they took a lot of money back to Gaza. And what happened sadly, 81 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:39.160 a few of those individuals kind of developed diagrams and worked with Hamas to 82 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:44.120 tell them where the important facilities were in the areas in which they were employed. 83 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.600 And so Israel tried to be the good neighbor, say you know, 84 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.839 let's let's work with them, Let's get them, get them paid. And 85 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:55.959 when you see this morning on some of the talk shows, you had the 86 00:06:56.079 --> 00:07:00.360 diagrams of the terrorists, the murderers and the rapists. They knew exactly where 87 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:06.639 to go because seemingly employees of the Jewish state living in Gaza told the terrorists 88 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:11.319 what was going on, where things were located, who didn't have guns, 89 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.839 who had guns because that's where they worked. And I watched your testimony John 90 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.480 Lott on YouTube on Honor about December the fifteenth of last year, in which 91 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:26.759 Sheila Jackson Lee asked you some questions. I wish I could get the whole 92 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.319 back and forth, but you made the point that ninety four percent of mass 93 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:36.439 public shootings in America occur or guns are banned. Well, the bad guy 94 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:43.040 is picking that spot. And the analogy is they knew that those at the 95 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:48.160 music festival likely were unarmed. Very few Israelis have a concealed carry permit and 96 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:53.399 very few have a weapon at home. So the two issues here and there 97 00:07:53.439 --> 00:08:01.240 are kind of related. Right, Look, these attackers may be crazy in 98 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.160 some sense, but they're not stupid. You know, if you're talking about 99 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.360 mass public shootings in the United States, their goal is to get media coverage, 100 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.680 and they know the more people they kill, the more media coverage that 101 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:13.959 they're going to get. And so if they go to a place where victims 102 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.319 can't defend themselves, they're going to be more successful. Well, you know, 103 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:22.399 one of the things that outrageous me is just how the media refuses to 104 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:30.240 go and cover the parts of these diaries and manifestos for these mass murders where 105 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.120 they talk about why they pick the targets that they do, because time after 106 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.879 time they explicitly talk about going to places where they know they're victims can't defend 107 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:46.039 themselves. You look at the Covenant School shooter in Nashville in March this year. 108 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:52.679 That person there in their diaries apparently according to the Nashville Police chief, 109 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.360 we're going to want to attack the mall, but had decided not to attack 110 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.559 them all because of armed secure that was there that people were allowed to carry, 111 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.879 and instead when after the school because they thought it was a soft target. 112 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.960 You look at the Buffalo mass murderer last year. He spends great detail 113 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:18.279 explaining he wanted to go after a target where he knew his victims wouldn't be 114 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.039 able to go and have guns for protection. You just see that time after 115 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:28.919 time. On our website at crimeresearch dot org, we have detailed discussions of 116 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:35.799 manifesto after manifesto or diaries where these killers are very explicit. And I want 117 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:41.720 somebody to explain to me why the media doesn't consider it newsworks It quote those 118 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.840 parts of their manifestos and diaries where they explained, don't we want to know 119 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:52.279 why these killers pick the targets that they do. Yeah, I'd like to 120 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:58.840 know, because that that is important repertorial objective data that should be published all 121 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.600 across America with our with our bought and paid for left wing Marxist media. 122 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.120 They're not going to report something that fits outside of their own political dye tribes, 123 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.600 which has left wingers. For example, Uh, in Israel, the 124 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:18.919 same people who refuse to believe Hamas engaged in ghoulish behavior, including the beheading 125 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:26.080 of babies, despite photographs and eyewitness testimony, immediately believed that Israel blew up 126 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:31.840 the Baptist hospital in Gaza. Whatever fits they run with. If it doesn't 127 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:37.600 fit, they ignore it. It's it's not a story. And I like 128 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.720 you, John Lott, I'm driven to near madness by the idea that the 129 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.480 safest place to be is in in out our NRA convention. The most unsafe 130 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.480 place to be is in the gun free zone, and uh, I see 131 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.720 it exhibited all over the world, but the media will not use that as 132 00:10:54.759 --> 00:11:01.039 a fact. Plus you at Crimeresearch dot Org. Five hus times a year 133 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.200 or more, a good guy with a gun stops a vicious attack of one 134 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:11.480 type or another. None of that's ever news doesn't happen. So I mean 135 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.320 the media affects the debate in many different ways. My guess is the gun 136 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.679 controlled debate that we have right now would be dramatically different if some of the 137 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.559 cases where civilians use guns to stop what otherwise were would have been mass public 138 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:33.799 shootings would get news attention that the attacks that we see occur keep on occurring 139 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:39.039 in places where guns are banned, you know, the media, if they 140 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.080 just would mention those types of things once in a while. You know, 141 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:46.200 there's so many biases, Like given the impression that the United States is somehow 142 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.600 unique in terms of mass public shootings, nothing could be further from the truth. 143 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.360 The United States is way below the world average. There are many countries 144 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:00.639 in Europe that have higher per capita rates of mass public shootings than we have 145 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.200 here in the United States. But you know, and to some extent, 146 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.120 it's understandable if you have an attack in the United States that gets a lot 147 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:13.360 more news attention than an attack that occurs in another country, and I can 148 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:18.840 understand it. But then when politicians go out and say that somehow we're unique, 149 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.960 that other countries don't experience these things, you would think that there'd be 150 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.519 a fact check or something that would go and correct that. Some of the 151 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.480 places Mexico is unbelievable off the charts, Sweden and Norway off the charts. 152 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.039 I hear Democrats say all the time. You know, we seem to be 153 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.200 the only country in the world that has all these mass shootings. Soll number 154 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.240 one, we have three hundred and thirty five million people, maybe three hundred 155 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:48.320 and fifty million people. We're not in the top ten per ratic when it 156 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:54.080 comes to mass shootings, but it's not even close. But the media cannot 157 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.639 report that because it's against what they want to do. Now, Secondly, 158 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:03.519 you have a column up at the Federalist FEDS, which is the Department of 159 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.039 Justice, want the Supreme Court to let judges trip gun rights even when there's 160 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:13.320 been no crime, which is consistent with Joe Biden and Barack Obama. I 161 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.399 mean, Barack Obama's politics sickens me. I can still hear him saying, 162 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.399 how come we're the only country in the world with mass shootings when either he 163 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.559 knows something different, in which case he's lying, or he doesn't know and 164 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.759 which case he's a fool. But nonetheless, explain your article at the Federalist. 165 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.960 Ok, Well, there's a Supreme Court case that's going to be heard 166 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:41.320 oral arguments on November seventh and what it's called Raheemi, and what it deals 167 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.519 with is essentially, what standard of proof do you have to have to be 168 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.519 able to take away somebody's ability to have guns. So you have two possibilities. 169 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:56.120 You have a criminal case where you have to have proof beyond reasonable doubts 170 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:01.000 you're like ninety eight percent certain that the person's or you can have a civil 171 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:07.080 case where you just need the preponderance of the evidence, which is like fifty 172 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:13.679 point one percent versus forty nine point nine percent whether the person did the bad 173 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:20.960 deed or not. And there's a federal law from nineteen ninety four that allows 174 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.000 guns to be taken away with just a civil case, with just the preponderance 175 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.399 of the evidence, even without a hearing, even without the person being able 176 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:35.399 to have a lawyer to go and represent them. And there's a case involving 177 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.279 this guy from Texas who's a bad guy, and there's no doubt about it. 178 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.120 There were lots of violent crimes that he had committed. He was a 179 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.039 drug dealer, but he wasn't prosecuted for those crimes. There was no you 180 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:52.360 know, large bail to keep him in jail for the crimes that he was 181 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.759 committed. In fact, I can't see any bail at all. And yet, 182 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.519 rather than going and saying, you know, we should have taken away 183 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:09.320 his guns based on him committing these felonies, he ended up having a restraining 184 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.120 order put against them that took away the gun. But he didn't have a 185 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.639 lawyer to represent him. And you know, there's this old saying, you 186 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:22.200 know, bad cases make bad law, and you know the issue is, 187 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.679 well, you have this one bad guy here, and you know everybody would 188 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:30.759 want to take his gun away, But let's take it away by enforcing all 189 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:37.519 these criminal cases that could have been brought against him, rather than using this 190 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:43.399 civil thing, because you're going to run into situations where innocent people because of 191 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:50.399 the very low standard of evidence. So let's let's say you are facing one 192 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.879 of these restraining orders. It may cost you ten thousand dollars in terms of 193 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.759 your lawyer. If the only thing that really bad happens to you is that 194 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.440 your gun would be taken away, you want to keep your guns. Is 195 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:06.440 it really worth one thousand dollars to go and hire a lawyer just to make 196 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.080 sure that you're well represented in that case? Most people would say no, 197 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:14.159 it doesn't make sense. Well, this is this is the Department of Justice 198 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.039 again, and Obama is more in charge and all of his alcoholtes than Joe 199 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.639 Biden, who's frail and elderly. I mean the OJ's run by by Mary 200 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.600 Garland. It's not really run by Biden. He puts a lit on things 201 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.000 by eleven o'clock in the morning. Well, John Lotte, we got to 202 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.799 go, but love having you on today to talk about this, because armed 203 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:40.919 protected is much better than unprotected dancing at a rave where no one has a 204 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:45.519 weapon to protect themselves. And I don't mean by any way the innocent victims 205 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.679 are to blame, they're not. The purposeful killing of those people was disgusting, 206 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.919 but a couple of Kibbutz's that had guns in the homes were passed over 207 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.919 because the return fire. And if you had a few hundred people returning fire, 208 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.279 the outcome would have been terrible, but nearly as bad as a turnout 209 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:04.359 to be Crimeresearch dot Org. John Lott, once again, thank you for 210 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:08.039 coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, John, Thank you for 211 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.359 being there. Bill God bless. All right, let's continue align becoming If 212 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:17.319 a line becomes available eight sixty six six four seven seven three three seven, 213 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:19.599 Bill cunning and the Great American with you every Sunday night.