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Stringy live. I mean I heard
radio whap. This is I on the

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Ball with Steve Rivera and Jacob Salez
Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Hey, welcome

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back to the ball here Fox Sports
fourteen fifty. I'm Steve's Jay. Now

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we have Sammy with breaking news.
I on the balling news. Yeah.

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So a couple of quick college notes. There's a new transfer rule. Was

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digging into it a little bit,
but it now allows all transfers to play

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immediately or their eligibility is immediately accessible
pending like pending. Their grades are right

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enough, but they can't transfer like
during the season or can they No,

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No, that that all that.
It's still the two windows are still the

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right time where they can transfer,
but it's now. And again I thought

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this was already the case, but
there were some circumstances this past year that

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I guess prevented some people from from
immediately playing. I know the receiver for

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North Carolina and some other people.
But now that shouldn't be that shouldn't be

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the case. It's just become more
wild wild West. Yes, yes,

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and there's there's probably no stopping it, at least until something changes. One

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of the things this this goes to
the transfer portal and n I own stuff

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that I heard just the other day, and I wanted to get your guys

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opinion on it. But the thought
of college teams or college organizations, whether

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maybe it's a team by a team
basis, but having a general manager like

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for the team, because a lot
of because a lot of coaches hence Nick

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Saban, he's done, and a
lot of these guys don't want to be

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doing all of this. They just
want to be coaching and recruiting here.

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Well, again going to that,
going to that conversation that that I saw

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with Dan Hurley with Dan Patrick that
he said exactly that he said, you

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know, because Patrick asked, would
you ever want to go to the NBA?

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And he basically said yes. He
said, that's the only he said,

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because he says, you go to
the NBA and you just coach.

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He said, you're not the general
manager. You're not the guy that's going

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out and getting players. Yeah,
you could, you know, you have

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some input as to why, but
you're not that guy. He said.

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Here in the job that I'm in, I'm the general manager and I'm the

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coach too, right, Yeah,
And so that's that's why, as as

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someone that talks about it a lot
or hears it all that it really kind

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of sparks something of like these coaches
realistically just want to coach basketball. They

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just want to coach football, and
that the h the old school way of

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recruiting is not what they grew up
in or how they how they were taught

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how to recruit. And so I
don't know. It's just an interesting thing

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because now the portal is as wild
as it is. People are gone,

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people are coming in, there's money
involved, and I don't know. I

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thought it was interesting. Secondly,
you guys obviously probably have talked about Umar

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Bobo going to Indiana, But did
you guys see the number that it was

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quote taking to get him. Yeah, I don't believe it. You don't.

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I was trying to get a nil
guy here yesterday and okay, I

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don't believe it though. That's a
lot of money and I don't Someone had

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thrown that out and in fact,
I said I don't always believe that the

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internet. Sure, Well, there's
the whole thing about him being a right

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edie talked about that last week at
the Final four, how it was difficult,

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right, So it's hard for me
to believe that I do not know

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that. I don't want to challenge
any of my colleagues who've got that number,

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but do dot I don't know.
That's a lot. Then Indiana needed

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to pay attention because I don't know
if he's worth one point and God bless

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his heart, one point of guy? Did they not know he can't shootree

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thows? Do they not know?
He ranges about four feet? And again

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I'm not poo pooing him more power
too, but that's a heck of a

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lot of money for that guy.
Yeah, I think for any guy like

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that. No, I think a
lot of programs. Again, we watched

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him every single night, single game, a lot of programs. They probably

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do their due diligence and research,
but they probably saw the Final Four this

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year of Klingon and he played really
well against him in Vegas and all these

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big guys that are taking over college
basketball, and they were probably telling themselves

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that he could do the same for
them, and you can't can't knock them,

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no, no, no, no, go for it. Man.

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But last last college thing, Phoenix
Sun's assistant Kevin Young just took the by

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U job and making him a very
very highly so maybe Howard will chime into

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this tomorrow whatever year is this,
and you follow him a little bit.

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Yeah, let's assume for a second
the sons don't Sons don't get out of

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this first round. Vogel's already in
trouble. Kind of. I think he

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does he survive this year? He
survives. I mean, granted, every

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anything can happen. If we get
swept four to oh and it's ugly and

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it's bad, then a lot of
things are gonna happen. But I mean,

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you saw it with Monty Williams last
year. He's a great coach for

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us, and he just one or
two games and he's out the door.

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So anything has happened. But I
do think if we compete and say we

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do lose to the Timberwolves in six
or seven, I don't think I I

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personally would think is going to it. There's been Well, having spent a

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lot of time in Phoenix last two
weeks, that's a lot to talk about

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it. Yeah, but Kevin Young
was going to be like the next guy

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up in the organization, to be
like that next head coach, but he

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took I'm curious now that because Miles
is there and I'm not sure what level

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he is in terms of the coaches, but I'm sure that his next up

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was next step. Yeah, it
probably with Miles Simon, right, you're

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talking about Yeah, he I know
what he does development, it'll it'll come

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to me. But when I when
I do. But you know he's been

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he's been with them for a little
bit. So yeah, for a little

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bit, he's That's what I meant. Yeah. And then so moving to

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the NBA, John Tay Porter,
that whole thing he's just been. He's

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been banned from the nb Yes,
they saw that. So can't do that,

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dude, No, can't be doing
that. Well he was what what

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what? What was happened is he
was he was betting on improp bets.

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There were prop bets on him,
and so he was purposely on him.

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He wasn't betting on himself, but
he well he was, well maybe he

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was, but he was like,
if they're saying you he's got over under

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three point shots, well he would
take himself out of the game to hit

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so that the under would hit.
So suppose, I don't know. I

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don't know if they proved that he
was betting on himself, but certainly people

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knew he was doing there was something
going on to the matter of his prop

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bets where and this is a guy
that was on a ten day contract and

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that it was playing on an irrelevant
Toronto Raptors team and on random nights like

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his prop bets would be the highest, like bet on thing in FanDuel DraftKings,

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whatever it may be, and that
that's not some thing that's just normal.

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And then so what was happening is
he for three points or it rebounds

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or points. It's like two straight
games. One he got hurt, his

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eye got hurt. Second he left
with an illness, and so both those

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unders hit and so it just crushed
the books. And so that's kind of

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what started to happen. That's the
only thing we need to talk about for

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John tape Porter. But quickly,
in the NBA, play in the East

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games or tonight the Hawks and the
Bulls the nine to eight and then the

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seven eight is sixers heat, so
winner of the seven eight game will be

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the seven and then it'll go on
from there. But last night was the

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West. The Lakers beat the Pelicans, so they will be playing the Denver

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Nuggets in the first round, which
get your popcorn. I'm excited for it.

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In that game, Zion Williamson got
hurt and it's been now reported he

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won't play in the the winner go
home game against the Kings. So I

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don't love their chances without him.
So yes, I have forty. So

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in case you were and well,
the kiss of death extends to the NBA.

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Oh you bet on the I had
both Warriors, the Pelicans and the

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Warriors I had. I just love
the Lakers and the Kings. It was

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nice, it was good. You
can't don't ever if you haven't learned by

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now, don't ever mention what you
got because the guy to my right,

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well, screw it up. Hey. All I needed to hear was he

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was on the other side. I
want to say you congratulations on your picks,

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but it wasn't your picks. It
was his, you know for sure?

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Yeah I want half, not half
maybe, but anyway, So,

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the official NBA playoffs get underway this
Friday, And honestly, as the NBA

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junkie nerd of all all all this, I am, so you can get

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to the draft Kings site real quick, so I know you do. NBA.

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What's the who's like the Chalky and
who's the so for like title?

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Yeah, the Celtics are the favorite. What the I want to say,

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it's plus one twenty. Oh that's
no good, no, but yeah,

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I U the Nuggets were plus three
forty like a couple weeks ago. That's

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okay, but there's real like I
mean really if you want like juice,

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like odds like that, the teams
you would probably look at are like the

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Mavericks, the Suns even because their
lower seeds. That's the thing here,

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they are self. Tics are plus
one sixty, the Nuggets are plus two

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eighty. Then after that, everybody's
plus twelve hundred or more. You got

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the Clippers at twelve hundred, the
Bucks at fifteen, the Thunder at sixteen,

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the MAVs at sixteen, the Suns
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pretty good dogs. And on the
West it's it's one of those things where

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that's the juice. I would see
Steve No, I advise, well,

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I'm not going to do it,
but they won the West for a reason.

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No one, but I wouldn't go
anywhere else because what else is you

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going to pick The Bucks up?
There? They suck. You got hurt,

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the well, be honest, is
hurt too. They're they're really just

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banking on that they win this series
then get you Onnis back and they have

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to they'd probably go play the Knicks. Who I love the Knicks, but

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you don't have Nick their way down
at four thousand. Yeah, I love

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that, like just I love the
Knicks. This year they're they're probably my

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second favorite team to watch behind the
Suns. But no, NBA playoffs is

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my super Bowl. So it's really
okay because it's just during the regular season.

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I can understand where people get turned
away from watching the NBA because it's

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eighty two games and whatever it may
be. I've I've heard all of it.

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But when the playoffs start, it's
quote a new season, and these

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guys are they get up for every
game the best players play. Yeah,

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well that's and that's why you don't
watch or I don't watch. It's funny

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because my daughter walks in last night, walks into the room, and I

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got the I got the game,
the Lakers game on. She goes,

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you must have something on the game
because you're watching watching the NBA. She

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knew. I got four quick things. Uh, And d Backs and Dodgers

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both lose today, the Dodgers and
skid they're they're They're two and four on

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a sit in their six game home
stands so far not great, not great,

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and the Diamondbacks fall to one game
below five hundred nine ten this year.

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The last couple of things, you
guys might have mentioned it early in

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the week, but Scotti Scheffer won
the Masters did his second green jacket.

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The Arizona Coyotes. I don't know
if you guys talked about them moving to

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Yeah, well we had we had
the Roadrunners coach on so but he didn't

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have anything to say. I don't
know. Yeah, it feels like nobody

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knows, like what's going on.
Well, they they know, but they

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don't want to talent exactly. The
last two things, so Caitlyn Clark was

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the number one overall pick, went
to the Indiana Fever and her jerseys sold

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out within an hour. Was pretty
cool. And then last but not least,

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Connor McGregor will be back in UFC
three hundred and ten. Can wait

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for him to walk in the room. You guys are UFC fans. I

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know I enjoyed last we can do
you follow it? Yeah, so last

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weekend, we can understood the guy
who got all away all the way knocked

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out she's from here. He's from
so I've been trying to trying to find

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him, how to get him on. Now it's gonna be a while because

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he lost, but he had done
very well. He was they call they

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call that like division, the b
MF, like the baddest like that's because

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all those guys are just right.
They try and just go. I've been

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trying to get him on because he's
from southern Arizona and then I haven't been

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able to find him. But you
know, one thing we didn't talk about

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yesterday, Jay, was the Michigan
getting in trouble that the coach know that

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the coach is gone. But isn't
that isn't that the way that goes because

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the coach goes and now somebody so
the ones that were left over dead,

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the kids in the administration get it. I mean I understand it. But

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there's because you can't penalize the guy
that's now already gone. I mean,

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if you would, they're gonna go, they're gonna he's they're gonna check him

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out, or they're doing something with
him specifically, not that it matters if

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he did it. Yeah, okay, And the only thing that you could

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do is just kind of blacklist him
from getting another job in college football,

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but he'll never come back. Yeah
exactly, that's what maybe was the reason

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why he left. Sure, sure, okay, I have one. This

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is right up your alley, Steve, right up here, right up here,

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the forty first out toward two.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. We

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scheduled for November the twenty third,
which which is on the day of a

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U of a football road game.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no.

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We were very happy when the announcement
that means you're gonna write I will therefore

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right commit to writing well the thirty
two miles, right, okay, so

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we'll have when we have TJ on
you you you make the commitment to him.

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Today we had to open enrollment for
the first time. Yep, gradutation

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is open right right away. We
had a lot of people come in and

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uh uh, they're excited about it. Last year we had nine thousand.

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You did it two years ago,
right years ago, two years ago,

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Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, He's Jane. Now. We're just

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waiting to get a hold of Ada
Barnes. She's waiting. Presto collbe I

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team. I think I confuse think
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that never happens with you exactly.
We'll get her. I'm looking forward to

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this. We've been wanting to get
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she should be coming on here just
a second. This year I coached.

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Hello, coach of de Barnes.
How are you? Yes? Hi,

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Hi Stephen Jay here. I've been
waiting to talk to you for a while

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now, so are you fine?
Thank you? Hey? How's the off

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season or is there one? There's
never one? That's why I say that,

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Yeah, there's never one. We
literally have been going since after the

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game. Yeah, let me tell
you. I was watching the USC game

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in the Elite eight ninety A.
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year. How does Arizona with seven
players give this team go to the brink

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not just once or twice with the
USC when they're in the lead. Eight

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You had a you had some magic
against the against a lot of teams this

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year. Yeah, we just didn't
finalize it. You know, we had

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to, like we took that.
It's just like little things that we lost,

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like off of an offensive rebound or
I think we had we have to

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be bigger and more athletic because we
lost a couple of those big time games

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from offensive out. You know.
Wait, when you have a season like

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you had, where you know there's
so much adversity to it, when you

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look back on it, does it
give you a chance to say to kind

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of have an appreciation for really?
I mean, okay, so you got

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to the NCAA tournament. You probably
you didn't go as far as you wanted

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to go or hope to go.
But still in the end, when you

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go through the things that you go
through on a season like that, you

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still have I mean, you still
have to feel good about it, don't

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you. Yes, I felt really
good, but it's stuff that I could

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have never prepared for or anticipated,
right, I mean may A Nauge quitting

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the team during the year to focus
on school, and then we had a

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situation with Kalin. Then we had
to remove someone from the roster at the

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very beginning of the year, and
then we had solid gear hurt. That's

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four players and it was half of
our team scoring. Yeah, yeah,

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no, people don't realize that,
no, of course, and then you

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have to kind of shuffle lineups and
hope that there's everyone's healthy, and then

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you have a tough schedule. We
had the number two We had the number

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one schedule in the country until the
second Pact twelve game. Then you say

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I've jumped up ahead of us because
they played USC again before that we had,

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so we had the number two schedule
in the country. So to part

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to Jay's point, and I was
going to ask that same question Jay,

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which was I thought was a good
one. Would you have changed anything or

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could you have changed anything? Because
you can't control control injuries? But what

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else? I don't know what I
would have changed because I didn't anticipate that

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stuff happening. So like I would
have never anticipated someone stopping in the season,

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I would have never anticipated kayan me
and our best score, me having

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to remover like this is stuff I
would have never thought what happened? Yeah,

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yeah, So in times like that, I mean, is there is

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there? Are you ever saying to
yourself? God, you know, just

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can we just get back to something
normal? Or do you just deal with

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it? I mean, now,
how do you how do you go through

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all that stuff and not drive yourself
crazy? Well, you just deal with

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it and say, Okay, it
is what it is, like your bath,

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let's try to find a way to
make the tournament. And I remember

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sitting there at one point in the
season and counting the looking at the future

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opponents in the backs of we're getting
ready to play, and thinking like,

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it's going to be really hard for
us to win four pack twelve games.

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And then as we got better and
we ended up winning like nine, It's

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like I would have not anticipated that. I thought that was really unrealistic with

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our youth and our personnel and how
hard our conference was. But you know,

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looking back, I wouldn't have probably
if I would have known what was

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going to happen, which I couldn't
have, I would not have scheduled such

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a hard non conference. Yeah,
and we would have won them twenty four

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games, so we would have had
a higher seating in the tournament. But

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I didn't anticipate this stuff. I
didn't know how nervous were you on the

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day of the bracket announcement. I
was really nervous, but I went in

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pretty confident because I thought we did
some really good things at the end.

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I looked at all the analytics,
and when I compared all of our stuff

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would have been higher. Like I
compared us to Texas A and M,

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Vanderbilt and some other teams. But
we're kind of on the bubble, and

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our numbers were way better than Texas
A and M. So we shouldn't have

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been playing game I didn't think.
But like there's different reasons whatever, but

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we got the playing games. Yes, you know, we had the Syracuse

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games to the very end and then
they're just kind of went off. So

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proud of our performance, but just
wish we could have done more. You

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know, Yeah, no question,
I hear you, no question. You

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did teach, Like I said,
seven players, a couple of walkouts.

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I'm come on, this may be
a silly question and maybe not for you

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to decide, but this could be
one of your better coaching years. Maybe

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I think it was. I didn't. I didn't realize it at the time,

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But for me to figure out a
way to try to get them to

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really play and come together, it
was hard. And all of this is

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about practicing a town, so trying
to find a way to keep them healthy

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and figure it out without a lot
of practice, it's hard. But I

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think it was good because it challenged
me in different ways and I was trying

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to extract the best I could,
and I had them playing the best we

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could. I don't think we could
have done any more than what we did

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right right, So as you,
as you you know, went through that,

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are you kind of looking at your
team sort of forward and saying,

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Okay, even though this is hard, we've only got seven girls and we're

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playing as hard as we can and
doing as much as we can. Were

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you letting your mind go to how
this would impact you next year, that

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you have all these girls who are
getting all this experience. You know,

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you've got Jada who's playing you know, a ton you know, at the

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point guard, and how that's going
to help her going forward. Did you

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ever let your mind go to that
or were you too caught up in just

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trying to win again. Absolutely,
when I was frustrated or thinking, oh

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we lost this game just because we're
young and we didn't know the box out,

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or you know, like I was
thinking, Wow, this is going

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to really pay dividends next year because
the firstmen are getting like two years of

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experience with all the minutes they're playing, right. You know, a couple

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of years ago we were a top
five team, they would have came in

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and played a quarter of the time
they played, right. So I looked

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at how UCLA was last year with
Kiki and London and how they're playing this

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year and carrying the team. I
figured that's how our kids are going to

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be next year. Right. So
now as you as you're you know,

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become more of a veteran coach and
you'd love to coach. Is it more

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to the about the construction of the
roster? Now that's almost as important Where

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this this piece will fit here,
this piece will fit here? Well,

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I think the first thing and the
most important thing is NIO. Like that's

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one, two, three, four, five and sixth most important so far.

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with NIO, you are not going
to win games. You're not going to

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retain your players and you're not going
to get players, So how you construct

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is the most important thing initially and then

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obviously getting the right kids, coaching, getting them to play together, believing

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may paying that is the secondary.
Because kids don't care how your office looks.

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then they care about winning. Then
they care about the other stuff, you

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know. So it's hard. Yeah. I was watching Dan Hurley this morning

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on on Dan Patrick and he got
asked, and I'll ask you, when

408
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:30.319
you're recruiting somebody, when does the
nil conversation start? Where is that in

409
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:36.680
the first conversation? Really, m
oh Man, Mama didn't tell you there

410
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.680
was like this as a coach.
No, And it's not even like it

411
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.759
may not be how much money am
I gonna make? It's gonna be what

412
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.319
does your collection look like? What
are the opportunities? It's not like how

413
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.079
much you're gonna pay me, It's
more like, what does that look like

414
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.400
for Arizona? What is some evidence
of that? In the past and how

415
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.119
can you help my daughter? That
is the first conversation. And you can't

416
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:04.079
even get to the conversation if you
say we have no NIL, you won't

417
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:08.440
even get to the phone call.
Yeah, that's because we're recruiting top players.

418
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.680
So we're competing against LSU that offers
kids one fifty and we don't have

419
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.519
that kind of money. Wow.
Wow, So can you tell me where

420
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:22.000
do you think Arizona sits in sort
of the NIL hierarchy, particularly in your

421
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:29.839
sport? Very low? Really Okay? Yeah, I mean the men's men's

422
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.599
football obviously football, men's basketball is
significantly ahead with a lot more support,

423
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:40.960
like ours isn't even comparable. And
like they have like a group that like

424
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:42.920
fundraises for them and does the money. Obviously the head coaches have to do

425
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.440
it, but they have like who
does it here is like myself from the

426
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.319
director of ops. We have to
go to try to find a way.

427
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.119
But then now like we're just now
getting you know, with the university and

428
00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.319
getting some help, and I think
we're Desiree and Erica Barnes and are really

429
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.400
helping. It's just a talent for
universities because they're also trying to meet their

430
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:11.880
marks and gay money for scholarships and
development and facilities. But then like there's

431
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.119
only certain people to take from so
or to get money raised from. So

432
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.480
it's like we're all kind of trying
to hit like, you know, the

433
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:23.200
same people like Jim Quick probably vietnasked
by everything every single time, every single

434
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.720
charity in talent. So it's hard. Yeah, you don't want to just

435
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.720
keep on trying to bother the same
people talented. Well, we call it,

436
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.960
we call it donor fatigue. Right
where do you go? Yeah,

437
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.920
that's what it is like, and
you don't want to do that near friendships

438
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.400
and but it's a sense of being
successful because it doesn't matter how well I

439
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.119
can coach, Like it's hard to
win with freshmen at the highest level.

440
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.599
You look at all the teams across
the country. You can get two or

441
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.000
three top players and be a really
good team with men's with men's basketball and

442
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.920
that's and football football. You don't
have nal to retain those great players that

443
00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.039
core you don't win. Yeah,
where do you think it's still? And

444
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.640
look at Bala you still may not
keep them. They may go to another

445
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.799
school and makes four times money.
You can't control that, but you've done

446
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.119
all the work to develop them.
That's the hard part of the code.

447
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.920
Do you have any idea where you
said as it relates to, say,

448
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.759
the Big twelve schools? Can you
tell that from like when you're recruiting somebody,

449
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.680
maybe they're being recruited by another Big
twelve school. Do you have a

450
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.759
sense of where Arizona sits in there? We are completely drastically behind. Wow,

451
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.680
okay, and we're just I'm trying
to level the playing field, but

452
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.799
it's not really comparable right now.
It's very difficult. So then you go,

453
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.440
I'm in the process of like desire
is our new ideas. I love

454
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.000
the fact she gets it, Like
she completely gets it and understand that she

455
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.000
came from the SEC so the model
works and she's turned stuff around. So

456
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.599
I know that's a focal point for
her, and it's really important because it

457
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.319
really affects us if we want to
win, because you don't get top transfers

458
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:55.039
without having a plan in place and
without having some kind of financial supporting her.

459
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.200
Nil you can't even talk to them. But if you can't, you

460
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.160
won't even get a call back from
au Coade. Well, you did a

461
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.079
couple of recruits. I don't know
if you can talk about them, but

462
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.920
you did get some name people at
least coming in next year transferation, Yeah,

463
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:11.359
and some of that some relationships in
the past through them before. So

464
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.079
like we're never going to pay with
an LSU or a top SEC school phase.

465
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.160
But so what you have to do
is try to sell the fact the

466
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.960
role can be great here, the
star power, the potential here with all

467
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.960
of our fans being the biggest college
town in the country, and how we

468
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:27.519
have a lot of support and it
can lead to big things, and then

469
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.119
developing them for pro right. Well, I was going to say, not

470
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.960
only but that can't make one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars gap. That can

471
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.440
make a deficit, That can make
a twenty thirty thousand our gap, but

472
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.599
it can't make one hundred and fifty
thousand our gap. But it certainly has

473
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.160
to help though that you had.
You know, when you have two players

474
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.440
drafted which you know would like to
talk about in the WNBA, you know,

475
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.160
opportunities for your players. I mean
that's always something that coaches are selling

476
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.200
with pre nil and you know after
nil, how big was that for you

477
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.720
guys? No, it's huge.
I mean, it sells it, but

478
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.599
it sells it to a certain point
because a lot just think about a lot

479
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.200
of players, they're gonna make more
in college than the art in the WNBA.

480
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.200
I mean a lot of rookie contract
would be like sixty seven thousand.

481
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.480
Yeah, the most good college players
that transfer will get more than that.

482
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.799
So they're making more money than they'll
make as a professional. So I think

483
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.519
that development, showing that we can
provide for showing that we're gonna win,

484
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.279
showing that you're gonna be taken care
of, and that I've been there,

485
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.799
done that, it really helps.
But it's not. It doesn't help close

486
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.000
a tremendous gap. And that's the
reality. Like LS do we I mean

487
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.720
I think they have like two million
dollars hel money. I mean other schools

488
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.960
have like a million, and we
would be like fighting for a couple hundred

489
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.240
thousand total. Wow, Well let
me tell you something. I saw Helena

490
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.279
a few times now this past year. I thought, I love the way

491
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:54.279
she placed. I just love the
way she plays. Yeah, she's amazing,

492
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.960
she's smart. We're losing a lot
losing her. She actually just walked

493
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:02.440
out of my office. Is now
okay, Now you can talk about her.

494
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.039
But yeah, you literally just walked
up. Well, talk talk about

495
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:12.279
those two players. Why do you
think they got drafted this year? You

496
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.920
know, what did they have?
What were the what are w NBA teams

497
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.559
looking for that they had that got
them drafted? Helena extremely high basketball,

498
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:28.359
like, you can play multiple positions, really understands the game, incredible four

499
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.599
visions, a great one on one
defender, long, good size, They

500
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.160
can play the one, two,
three, and four, and just the

501
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:40.759
overall good basketball player. They can
do everything as Mary athletics strong, like

502
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.559
the way she's a feat step fourth, that she shoots the three. She

503
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:50.039
can guard a bigger player than her
because they were string and it can it

504
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.720
can defend a post or guard on
the perimeter. So those are things I

505
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:57.160
think that it makes them really attractive. Yeah, no, very good players.

506
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.559
Okay said that's my How much harder
is it to make or is it?

507
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.119
Is it comparable? You know,
to make a WNBA roster versus an

508
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.440
NBA roster? I mean because you
alays talk about there's only two rounds in

509
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.639
the NBA draft, A lot of
the second rounders don't ever make it,

510
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.119
is there how much how much of
a difference is there or is there?

511
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.400
They have three rounds in the w
NBA draft, obviously, so I think

512
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.760
it's very hard because most of the
time the first round do not make teams.

513
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:27.880
If you're lower than like the ten
six, The second, third round

514
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.559
very hard. I think the difference
is there's less teams, there's less players

515
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:36.719
on each roster, much more competitive. It's very hard for workies to make

516
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.159
it. So you are you were? You were a meme yesterday with being

517
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.440
the trivia question. Does it feel
so many years ago that you were the

518
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:49.000
first pick for Arizona. I know
that's scary, and I was going the

519
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.320
first pick of the w NBA just
came around. Career, that's a nice

520
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.880
career. Yeah, that's a nice
little thing to have you hang your hat

521
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.480
on. You know, you were
the first I was cut like seven times

522
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.320
and just survived. You were like
this year's team, gritty, gritty person.

523
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.239
Okay, Greedy a great teammate.
That's about all. Thank you,

524
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.840
all right, coach, thanks a
whole bunch of try and have a great

525
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:17.559
summer. Right. Well, we're
off to the recruiting tomorrow. So well,

526
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.280
you got Thursday to Sunday on the
road and we've had business every day,

527
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.760
so you probably might see one more
player hit our roster, all right,

528
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.280
in the next few weeks. After
that, we're done. All right,

529
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.159
Well, I guarantee you won't have
seven players. We'll have like thirteen.

530
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.840
Okay, good for you. All
right, that sounds great. Okay,

531
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.639
thank you, thanks so much,
thank you. Good luck. You

532
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:40.159
don't get her tone to this.
They need money, they do. I

533
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.880
mean, who Yeah, if you
you know, if you're a fan and

534
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.920
you're listening out there, maybe you're
somebody who hasn't contributed for whatever reason.

535
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.360
We gotta go, We gotta go. We gotta talk about this. Football

536
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.480
team needs money. Basketball team needs
money, women's basketball teams money. The

537
00:35:54.639 --> 00:36:00.960
athletic department need needs money. University, you got to get a job so

538
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.280
you can help. Yeah, exactly
what do you think I'm trying to do?

539
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.360
All right, let's take our break, last break. We'll take your

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This is I on the Ball with
Steve Ravera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox

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Sports fourteen to fifty. Hey,
welcome back to I in the ball here

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Fox Sports fourteen fifty M Steve,
he's Jay, got our guy, sign

588
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me with us for thirteen more minutes, O Jay, as we talk about

589
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or you know, talk about and
thinking of what a do you said?

590
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:46.079
And this is a University of Arizona
is a well known athletic department, well

591
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.440
known in a lot of different ways. And a number of their programs have

592
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.639
been right, some of the top
program and you know, I went to

593
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.920
a small school when New Mexico and
blah blah blah, and there's a lot

594
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:01.280
of those. I don't know how
this this model will save itself or or

595
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:07.079
will it save itself because everybody's searching
for that that parachute, the golden parachute

596
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.199
that doesn't exist. Yeah, right, let me see yeah or not many

597
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.119
No, I don't know how sustainable
this is, right, exactly, and

598
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:19.519
even even say she mentioned l s
U, right, how much are those

599
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.559
people going to keep giving and the
amounts that they're giving? At some point,

600
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.400
sure it doesn't the money run out, you know, don't they don't

601
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.440
they The fatigue sets in and I
can't do this anymore, sure, especially

602
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.480
if they don't win the title like
they didn't this year, so the enthusiasm

603
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.880
is not going to be there,
and how you know, God, I

604
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:43.079
I I don't know. I don't
know. And and and look, oh

605
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.840
okay, let's let's go ahead and
take this. Hi are on the air

606
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.559
and on the ball. Yeah,
this is goo. What's up? Where

607
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.199
have you been Nico? Hey man? How's that a country? Mexico?

608
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.519
Did you run to Mexico for some
reason? Or what were the cops chasing

609
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.119
you? No? Man, I
don't get in trouble with the law.

610
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:08.239
I want to Tokyo, Tokyo.
Whoa? What was that about? You

611
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:14.599
got a lot of cars? I
wanted to dres chase a woman? What's

612
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.920
up? Man? What do you
got? Hey? Man? Dia Barons

613
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.960
was on fire today. Yeah she
was. Yeah, we love her.

614
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.960
What she's telling us the truth,
a lot of stuff. Yeah. She

615
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:29.920
said that they could only offer like
twenty three k. No, what she

616
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.920
said was that, you know that
there's some places that are offering one hundred

617
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:37.719
and fifty thousand and they can't compete
with that. Yeah. No, I

618
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.920
mean, but but that's what we're
talking about. It's it's like that you

619
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.960
know, and you know when you
again, when you when you you see

620
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.320
something like we've talked about Oklahoma,
so right that you know, you hear

621
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.480
that there's just a person out there
who's giving millions of dollars into there and

622
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.679
I l and that's why they don't
lose games, because they've got they're going

623
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.199
out there and buying the best players
that they can buy. This is not

624
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.239
even funny. And I don't know. I don't know how you you keep

625
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:07.079
that up. I mean, are
you a vacant competed right right? No?

626
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.760
One hundred? Doesn't this make you
disheartened kind of being a fan.

627
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:14.039
We're knowing that you're not going to
be able to compete financially, So what

628
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:19.920
does that mean athletically? And that's
all you're in ill it's not the matters

629
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:24.480
to him and kinnor Murray. Yeah, exactly exactly, Nicole. Good to

630
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:30.039
hear from you. Man Hey,
and your intern was wrong. Carson Palmer

631
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.599
was a cardinal. It's not a
bank. Oh no, I disagree.

632
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.840
He's a champion, That's what that's
what I would say. No, I

633
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:47.519
understand they would have beat to get
that. I think we got it.

634
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.840
Okay, just let it go,
Sam, Okay, yeah, no,

635
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.679
wonder you have been calling. You're
on fire. Hey, hey, I'm

636
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.599
just saying they would have beat the
brown because in the Super Bowl. All

637
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:06.199
right, Okay, n he digs
a bunch man, Okay, you up

638
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:13.039
the phone. Let's go back to
it, because and it's a now,

639
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.199
it's a now. It's one of
the recognized programs basketball for the women.

640
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:21.800
And if they're needing that much money
even to compete at a smaller level,

641
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.519
right, Okay, let's say,
for instance, stand okay, is there

642
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.840
fan base? They've been one of
the top five programs in the country for

643
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.800
a long time. Tara Van Derveer, sure retires, Okay, how much

644
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.199
interest will remain and how much money
will they continue to get for their program

645
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:43.559
going forward? He right there?
They're so I feel like when you when

646
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.360
when you you lose, when a
coach like that retires or whatever you've got,

647
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.760
you're at a crossroads, right are
you gonna be able to sustain your

648
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.440
success? But you said a plane
and simple. If you don't have the

649
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.679
money, you can't win, all
right, So it's affer it in a

650
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.280
position where I said, okay,
terrors Vanrver's retired, I'm kind of done

651
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.440
giving all my money over there,
or or how can the university, go

652
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.519
sell that and say please stay,
please stay with me. I thought your

653
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:16.719
question was to her about how early
does the conversation happen right away? But

654
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.320
I'm sure it happened right away before
all this, not with women, but

655
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.360
with the guys. You know,
hey, my son is pretty good.

656
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.119
Yeah, he has an offer here
over here for this much money can you

657
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.320
do for me? Yeah? Exactly, But it's fincause Dan Hurley's answer to

658
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:37.239
that was, if that's if that's
the first part of the conversation and we're

659
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.880
less interested in that guy, Tommy, just the same thing, if they

660
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.119
want to come here for that,
then that's probably not he said. I

661
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:45.760
think he called it a red flax. Yeah. If you know, if

662
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.440
I'm having a conversation about somebody wanting
to come to Connecticut and the first thing

663
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.840
out of the mind is how much
money can I make to me, that's

664
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.920
you know, that's something that makes
me think twice about this kid, Tommy.

665
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.360
You said that it's too This is
more than just that. This is

666
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.440
the besketball you learn how to be
good play good basketball, play as a

667
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:06.199
team. You have a difference and
you said it as well to that is

668
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:10.199
that in college in women's basketball.
This might be the most money they'll ever

669
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.920
make playing basketball. True, you
know what sixty two thousand dollars rookie contract,

670
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.280
if wale, if Lene Bidl makes
the team, makes the team,

671
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.360
right. I wanted to get into
that with her. Can't you know,

672
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.800
how about the money because everyone today's
uses Caitlin Clark's gonna make seventy five seventy

673
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.559
six thousand dollars and and and people
are upset because she's the first the first

674
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.119
pack and compared to the men,
that's nothing. I don't even know where

675
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.159
to go with this because it's politically
incorrect. If you go one way and

676
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:43.480
you say you're right, but there's
you know what I'm saying, Well,

677
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.159
can you say that's right? You
can't say you know, you can't lose

678
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:50.760
you like Santa Claus, not really, then you have to explain why.

679
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.119
Yeah, it's slippery slow, very
slippery slow. But you know, I

680
00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:00.360
think that you know that that's kind
of the reality of where they are.

681
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.079
True. I mean, if Caitlyn
Clark wasn't bringing all her endorsements with her,

682
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.800
everybody's right, she would be taking
a pic, sure, but you

683
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.960
know, fortunately for her, But
how many Kaitlyn Clarks are there? Yeah,

684
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.880
not many, many, a couple, especially when you move the needle.

685
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.280
But everyone's talking about, well,
look at the game now, Well

686
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.519
you have to kind of establish yourself. Yeah, that's the thing everyone's saying.

687
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.400
How and it has been the last
three years. In the next couple

688
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.679
of years of women's college basketball,
it's going to be great. What happens

689
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.880
when you look at the men's NCAA
It's like when you don't have the Zion

690
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:36.119
Williams Sins or the guys like that, some people just become disinterested. And

691
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.840
so Caitlyn leaves, how many people
are gonna tune in to watch Iowa basketball

692
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.119
next year? Sure? You know
what I mean? Like, obviously you

693
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.639
have Page and Juju lightning in a
bottle. Yeah, those are those are

694
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.719
the two people that the NCAA are
going to turn all their focus to.

695
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.440
But what happens when they leave?
Who's what's next? You know? Right?

696
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.039
No, it's a it's a tough
situation. I don't envy, I

697
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.960
don't end to me. It's like, well, who are going to watch

698
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.679
a game? Opening it to be
competitive? Yeah, but you know that

699
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.519
this team has all the best players
because they bought all the best players.

700
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.480
It's like, well you you guys
are pro guys, the Yankees or the

701
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:16.639
Stays, And that's I mean that's
what originally like you got excited to watch

702
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:21.800
college sports like they're amateurs. You
have to recruit them and you can't pay

703
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.119
whoever to come to the Lakers or
whatever. Like you go recruit them,

704
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:29.840
their their kids and quote there's like
a it's the even playing field, Like

705
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.960
you get excited to watch them play
hard for their school. Right and now

706
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.239
you not say you don't have that, but that's it's a completely different world

707
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:39.199
now of Adam mentioned it, if
you don't have money, it's gonna be

708
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:44.000
really really hard to win. But
that's what makes teams like you look at

709
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:49.159
Purdue and coach Painter, he talks
about his lack of nil with the team,

710
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.280
and they were in the championship.
That's what there's obviously cases. And

711
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.280
you look at NC State like those
guys probably weren't getting a lot of money,

712
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.280
but they were in the final four. But see in in the in

713
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.159
with the men's game, you can
sell that if you come here and we

714
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.159
get you into the league, you're
gonna get your money. Whereas you know

715
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.800
in the women's in the women's game, you can't sell it flipped over.

716
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:17.320
You're gonna you're gonna make more money
in playing college than you know then in

717
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:22.239
the in the pros. And that's
why the women's college basketball brand has been

718
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.880
really good the last four to five
years, because these these girls know,

719
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.079
even if they're really really good,
these girls know, if they stay in

720
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.960
school and build their quote brand like
Caitlyn did for the last four years,

721
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.880
they're going to be faces of that
school and they're going to make more money

722
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.679
than they would like. If Caitlyn
Clark could come back to Iowa, she

723
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.880
probably would, if we're gonna be
honest, well she had that chance.

724
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:47.480
Should she have COVID year, Yes, she could have come back for one

725
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.079
more year, But she's got more
endorsements, and more endorsements will come to

726
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:57.360
her. Maybe sure, yeah,
but let me ask you to they're getting

727
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.440
paid now and the men of football
wise and basketball wise, and we kind

728
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:05.199
of criticized here a little bit,
not not a whole lot about the players,

729
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.920
but now they're making money and to
a degree that we don't even know

730
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.840
are they are they worthy? Are
they worthy? Are they targets now for

731
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.480
people like us or the general public, which I get on and on Facebook,

732
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:20.320
because they are getting paid a lot
of money? Are they targets?

733
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.559
Are the fair? I mean?
Essentially, Well, it's hard because you

734
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.199
don't know, you don't know who's
getting paid more, you don't know the

735
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:31.760
level of With the pros, it's
easy. You can go look up Wan

736
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:36.239
SODA's contract for instance, you're and
you go, oh, one year,

737
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.079
thirty one million, what's that money
getting us? What's the money getting the

738
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:44.679
Yankees? But with this it's hard
because there's a lot of gray area in

739
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:51.039
terms of And you're in Indiana and
you are you saying, Paul, you're

740
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.119
a poem you can't hit free throws? Yeah? I mean, and I

741
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:57.119
think it's I mean, then essentially
he's a professional athlete, right, and

742
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:00.119
that and that's an adjustment that the
athletes are gonna have to make knowing that,

743
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:05.079
Okay, you know, those people
who were yelling at me before before

744
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.079
I was getting paid are gonna yell
even louder now that I am right.

745
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:14.519
Especially that guy sitting right and mid
court four rows up, Who's who's the

746
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.760
one I'm getting his money? And
he's saying, you're embarrassing my you're embarrassing

747
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.280
my brand. Yeah, right,
like Spencer Rattler, Right, he got

748
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.960
those cars like you know that car
dealers, like the starter. Yeah,

749
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.639
what the hell. It's a lot
of trust. There's a lot of trust

750
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.679
factor in, like the investment in
these kids because they are still kids.

751
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.119
That's the one thing she made,
and she made click. I mean that

752
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:42.920
was the obviously the name with Romberto
and all these guys. At some point,

753
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.320
at some point, I can't put
your family. I can't do this

754
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:52.239
anymore. Yeah, I don't know
again how you sustain it or you know,

755
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.119
do a few schools sustain it?
So they have all the success,

756
00:50:55.239 --> 00:51:00.360
right the Alabama's, the Texas,
the Ohio state, you know, LSU.

757
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:07.199
It's sustainable for them, but maybe
not for ninety five percent of the

758
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:08.440
of the school. All of a
sudden, when she was talking about this

759
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:12.800
money, I'm thinking they have about
seven and seven some thousand, five hundred

760
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.079
games average maybe. And then you
put a little kitty on the corner and

761
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:20.639
you hear five bucks, five bucks. Everybody's charged, bring a can of

762
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.199
food. You're right, you're right
with with five bucks in it five times

763
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:30.039
seventy five hundred, start every game, Start charging nil admission into Michale.

764
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.320
Who knows five bucks a person after
your ticket cars that might be part of

765
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.599
the ticket car one hundred. I
could totally see that happening with season ticket

766
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:42.440
holders or you have tickets, and
there's like, this is making me less

767
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.599
of a sports fan than before.
Yeah, I can, I can.

768
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:47.519
I can see how people would get
turned off by all of this. And

769
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.440
there are I look again my you
know, my Wednesday crowd there they don't

770
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.159
like what's happening, and it's it's
there. Some of them are disillusioned about

771
00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:01.880
about sports. And again but they're
already at times thinking some of these college

772
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.960
athletes kind of don't really care.
Right again, you know who I'm talking

773
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:12.199
about, And now you're saying and
now we're paying them to not care.

774
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:17.800
That's it, right. There's a
lot there. You know, everybody's having

775
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.639
to make an adjustment as to how
they what's the right We're not absorbed,

776
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:30.159
but how they you know, take
in college athletics, how they watch it,

777
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.440
how how much it matters to them, what they're willing to do.

778
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.400
You know, I mean like before, if you were a donor, you

779
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.480
donate money to help build the locker
room. Now well do you want that,

780
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.559
but you also want me to donate
money to pay as it's crazy.

781
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.639
Well, you're fifty bucks, you're
five hundred bucks. Might diviy it here,

782
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.280
it's crazy, all right. That's
it man, that was interesting conversation.

783
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.719
Steve Good, Thank you to a
dear Barnes. Thanks for Dave Silver

784
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:00.039
and we'll be back tomorrow. Not
to youmorrow,