WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:10.519 Bring the UFO phenomena. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello and welcome 2 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:18.000 to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandrojas and I am happy to be here 3 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:22.239 and happy to be speaking to you. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we 4 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.519 have a good show today. This is going to be our twenty eleven year 5 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:30.640 review essentially, and we have the best of the best to go over these 6 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:35.719 stories with us, and that is mister Lee Spiegel. He's a reporter for 7 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:44.039 the Huffington Post, which of course is a big national online news organization and 8 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:50.320 the only one to have a staff writer that is mostly dedicated to writing UFO 9 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:56.280 stories. How cool is that? And that person is Lee Spiegel, and 10 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:00.679 he will be talking to us very shortly about all the UFOs stories of the 11 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.599 year. He's also going to be one of the speakers at the UFO Congress, 12 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:10.079 which is February twenty second to the twenty sixth. If you have not 13 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:15.680 registered, do so now right now. I'm going to give you a moment. 14 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:23.640 It's just UFO Congress. You can go google that already registering all right? 15 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.959 Great, See how easy that was? Just click click bottom bom bottom 16 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.799 beaming. You're registered. So uh, you're going to want to be there 17 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:34.120 because we're going to have a lot of great speakers and it's going to be 18 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:37.159 a lot of fun, and of course you can see more at ufocongress dot 19 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.599 com. However, I'm going to move right along because we have a lot 20 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.959 to talk about, a full year jam packed with great UFO stories to talk 21 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.359 about. We're also going to talk to Lee about his relationship with Robin Leech. 22 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.719 They've been friends for a long time. The younger people might not know 23 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:59.920 who Robyn leitch A is. Lifestyles of the Wretch and I miss which that's 24 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:06.719 a mediocre at best impersonation, but Lifestyles of the rich and famous. This 25 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:13.400 guy, Robin LEAs has probably been one of the most mimicked people in history 26 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.560 because people just like doing Robert lights for the Russian faments, just like I 27 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:21.680 did. Well, at least he used to be in the nineties, in 28 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.840 the eighties, but he hasn't been active, at least in the national level. 29 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.599 We'll find out what he's been up to, how long he's been interested 30 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:32.000 in UFOs and the paranormal. And Lee's been buddies with him before he was 31 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:37.960 famous himself and started meeting the famous and rich people, so it's going to 32 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.360 be a lot of fun. It's going to be a great interview. One 33 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.800 of the things, of course we do here at Open Minds is that we 34 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:50.639 cover UFO news all the time, every day, and because there's lots of 35 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:55.560 stories out there, and we bring on this dude called Jason McLellan who has 36 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.919 a cool haircut, kind of a short, little moak type of thing going 37 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.599 on if you've seen the pictures online, and that he's extremely intelligent and he 38 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.520 shares us at the great UFO news stories of the week, and he's here 39 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:13.039 to talk to us about some UFO news. Jason, it's a pleasure to 40 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.520 have you. Pleasure to be here, Alejandro. Greetings everyone. This is 41 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:21.599 your Open Minds News Brief for January sixteenth, twenty twelve. Well citing reports 42 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.639 submitted to the Mutual UFO Network or MOFON in the first week of twenty twelve 43 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:30.000 could indicate a busy year for UFOs. According to Les Bigel of Huffington Post, 44 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:34.240 who happens to be our guest on the show today, twenty twelve has 45 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.879 already been or has already seen an increased in UFO activity. MUFFO International Director 46 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:45.039 Clipper Cliff told Lutzpiegel, for the entire month of January twenty eleven, moufon 47 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.919 recorded around five hundred reports, and we're already up to two hundred and thirty 48 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:53.879 three after just the first week of twenty twelve. Mufon reported increased UFO sightings 49 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:59.439 in the late summer of twenty eleven. Citings in August twenty eleven doubled the 50 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.360 number of sightings reported during other months, and if the first week of twenty 51 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:08.120 twelve is any indication, this year's sighting reports could double the number of reports 52 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.759 received in twenty eleven. Cliff explained to Spiegel. Quote, last year we 53 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.800 averaged over six thousand total sightings, and if it continues at this pace, 54 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:20.240 we'll be up fifty percent, with about ten percent of those reports ending up 55 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:26.839 as unexplained after our investigation end. Quote, so let the reporting commence. 56 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:31.879 We're well into January. Yeah, and I don't know, you might have 57 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:36.759 another interesting article to write after this year. You did a wonderful, wonderful 58 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:43.399 article about the twenty eleven sightings, at least the increasing summer activity. Yeah, 59 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.399 and yeah, because the summer there was a big increase, and I 60 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:50.519 did a lot of stories on that with graphs and everything, and we included 61 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:55.319 some of that in our next magazine that's just coming out right now on UFO 62 00:04:55.360 --> 00:05:02.879 Hotspots and Fox News in Orlando, of all places. Also interviewed Peter Davenport 63 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.959 of new work. I don't know if you saw that National UFO Reporting Center, 64 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:10.240 and I kind of combined the two stories at UFO Daily News dot Com 65 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.720 and a story I put up yesterday. But Davenport had some really interesting things 66 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:18.879 to say too. He said he's also seen a great big increase in sightings 67 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:24.519 on his site. He's probably now the number two reporting center, although he's 68 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.639 been at it for a really long time. Also, but he said a 69 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:30.879 couple of things that were kind of funny because he said, you know, 70 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.839 everybody's trying to relate this to the twenty twelve my own prophecies into the world 71 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.079 stuff, and he say, I don't really believe in any of that stuff. 72 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.279 But one tonateman I thought he said was really funny was that I may 73 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:48.279 be one of the few upologists out there though who doesn't have answers on what's 74 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.560 going on here, but we'll have to keep looking. And what he's saying 75 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:57.040 is of course a lot of people profess to know everything that's going on, 76 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:01.680 whereas a lot of people like Lee or like us, we're ready to admit, 77 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.480 who knows what the heck's going on, but we're observing to try to 78 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:09.720 find out. Another good point that he made when people ask about pictures, 79 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.639 and this kind of goes to the George Clooney statement from a few weeks ago 80 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.639 where she said, well, everybody's got cell phone pictures, why aren't we 81 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.720 seeing more of these UFOs? But like he said, it's hard to get 82 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:23.879 pictures on his cell phone. Davenport made this point that cell phone pictures are 83 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.160 not that great, I mean rappy. Go try to take a picture of 84 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.800 the stars right now or an airplane at night with your cell phone. You're 85 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:32.600 you're not gonna be able to tell anything. And you know a lot of 86 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.360 these, a lot of the smartphone cameras or yeah, the smartphone cameras they 87 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:40.680 can be pretty high quality cameras, yeah, but still as cameras, they 88 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.079 suck. Yeah, they especially if you're trying to take take a night photo 89 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.480 or a photo of a light moving through the sky, exactly awful. It's 90 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.560 not going to happen. So Davenport made the point that a lot of these 91 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:54.120 pictures are from cell phones, so they're not that great. So people, 92 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.240 if you have a chance, you know, grab your better high quality actual 93 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.519 camera to take a picture, sure and put it, stabilize it if possible 94 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.639 when you take the picture. So, yeah, Devin, I thought had 95 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:09.279 a few good points there too. Yeah. Good for Peter, And I 96 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:13.240 would like to point out that both Lee and least Bigel and Cliff and Cliff, 97 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.000 who are are good friends, will both be speakers at the twenty twelve 98 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:21.079 International UFO Congress. So that's exciting those both of them nice, It'll be 99 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:26.480 fun to see them again. Going to be sweet. Here's some extremely exciting 100 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.639 news to me personally from last week. An exciting announcement was made that suggests 101 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.560 there could be billions of extraterrestrial inhabited planets in our very own Solar system. 102 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:41.759 According to MSNBC, a statistical analysis based on a survey of millions of stars 103 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:45.439 suggests that there is at least one planet for every star in the sky, 104 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.160 and probably more, adding up to approximately one hundred and sixty billion planets in 105 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:56.000 the Milky Way. The winner galaxy, not Solar System. Correct. Thank 106 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:01.120 you for correcting that a team of international scientists recently concluded that stars are orbited 107 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:05.759 by planets as a rule rather than the exception, and many of those are 108 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.720 likely to be similar to Earth. The estimate is that one in ten planets 109 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:15.399 is the right temperature to sustain life. Those findings were published recently in the 110 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.680 journal Nature. Yeah, what's cool about that story? I saw another one. 111 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:24.600 Of course, people are probably familiar Trake's equation, which is an equation 112 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:33.120 it has all these mathematical problems, mathematical statistics to try to demonstrate the probability 113 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.519 of extraterrestrial in this case, actual intelligent extraterrestrial life out there. And when 114 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.639 that story came out, someone commented that we need to change those numbers and 115 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:50.200 that actually that Drake's equation was much more conservative than what we're finding out about 116 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.559 true, you know, possible planets to have the ability to host life. 117 00:08:54.679 --> 00:09:00.159 So it's just, of course, as we keep talking about weekly more and 118 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.480 more at a very quick page, it's crazy, I mean, yeah, 119 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:07.879 number it every week. There was just a year ago that this number, 120 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.399 this estimated number of those planets was fifty billion. Now we're up one year 121 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:20.200 later to one hundred and sixty billion. Yeah, and really there's one of 122 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:26.039 one hundred and sixty zillion gazillion and it will keep spiraling out of control from 123 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:31.240 there. Yeah, but it's exciting just that they keep finding that they've underestimated 124 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:37.960 those figures and that more and more they're finding Wow. And I think you 125 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.519 get more of these statements from people too, saying with these numbers and the 126 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:46.720 more we're learning, the more that it's extremely likely that at any moment we're 127 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.679 going to find some at least basic form of life on another planet. Absolutely, 128 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.440 but if they announced that, I think, you know, it's going 129 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.480 to really change people's mindsets and they're going to think, wow, if we're 130 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:03.080 finding so quickly, know this life on other planets, that makes it much 131 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.120 more likely that there are intelligence civilizations out there. It's very cool, much 132 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.600 smarter than us because we're not that smart, not that smart. That's something 133 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:15.559 that I'm happy to admit it as well. Yeah, pretty smart, but 134 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.519 not that smart. Work work, fun, Yeah, but yeah, not 135 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.879 that smart. Well, moving on to other news, social media channels like 136 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:26.759 Twitter and Facebook have developed into valuable news delivering and receiving platforms, and social 137 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:33.360 media services are accessible on a variety of hardware options like computers, laptops, 138 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.559 tablets, and smartphones, even on televisions. Now and in this constantly connected 139 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.879 world, social media has become the fastest way to spread breaking news. It 140 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:45.559 stands to reason, then, that social media will be used to broadcast news 141 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:50.080 of extraterrestrial contact, and those who actively follow social media social media channels, 142 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.840 like many of our listeners, you'll be the likely among the first to know 143 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.720 about any such contact. The BBC recently reported that news of extraterrestrial contact quote 144 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.559 they reach most people via a tweet from a SETI astronomer. According to The 145 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.960 Daily Mail, because of the instant nature of social media, you might know 146 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:13.159 about EAT contact before a government agency does. And that's because SETI, the 147 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:18.639 Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Their astronomers recently explained that they quote have no obligation 148 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.200 to report contact to an official body and can simply inform people what they have 149 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:26.000 discovered and do not know of any formal procedure of how to deal with it. 150 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:31.080 And this is a problem we have with UFOs in general and any sort 151 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.200 of extraterrestrial nature. There isn't really a formal body, you know. That's 152 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.960 something that Leslie Kane has been bringing to the attention trying to bring to the 153 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.200 attention of everybody is that there isn't an official body to report UFOs to to 154 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.879 investigate, to look into what we have flying in our skies. But so 155 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.480 the SETI astronomers have that same thing. They don't There isn't a formal procedure 156 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.440 of who they're supposed to report to. But once an extraterrestrial signal is detected, 157 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:00.759 it'll be up to the man who heads up SETIES Post Detection Task Group, 158 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:05.720 Arizona State University Professor Paul Davies, to respond. And we've mentioned this 159 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:11.399 on the show before, and the type of response that Davies has in mind 160 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.440 would be, as he told the BBC, UH would have something to do 161 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:20.360 with something that humans and aliens could both understand, and in his mind that's 162 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:26.240 mathematics and physics. That you are going to say, Facebook, no, 163 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.039 no, But that would have been a good, good one. Yeah, 164 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.639 And he's not on Facebook or Twitter, I think so. I don't think 165 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:37.279 he's yeah, but we are. So there's open Minds TV, Twitter, 166 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:43.240 there's a paranormal RPTR reporter that's mine. UFO Daily News. I tweet on 167 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:50.759 you tweet on eccentric. So go get on our Twitter and so many we 168 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:52.799 have so many Facebook pages too. I mean O Mind's Radio has one, 169 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.039 of Mind's magazine has one, You have one, I have one. But 170 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.440 really, I mean, I I strongly suggest Twitter. You know, we're 171 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.519 very active on Twitter, and that's certainly if you're going to be following something, 172 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.320 that is the key to finding out information as it happens. Yes, 173 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.679 I mean, then as someone tweets a good picture or a story or this 174 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.840 news that they've made contact and they have the proof, we're going to retweet 175 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.080 the hell out of that and people are going to know instantly. And wrote 176 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.399 I wrote an article about just how valuable a tool social media is for you 177 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:30.759 know, sharing specifically UFO information. I wrote that in the December January issue 178 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:35.600 of Open Minds magazine, and in that I mentioned just how much attention the 179 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.480 speed of Twitter got during that to earthquake that happened on the East Coast last 180 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:46.559 year. And they proudly pushed the tagline that the Twitter is faster than an 181 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.559 earthquake tweet because because when the earthquake, when people felt the earthquake in Virginia 182 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.399 and DC, they were tweeting about it right away, And people in New 183 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:00.759 York saw those tweets before they felt the earthquake. So Twitter, that's where 184 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.639 the news comes from at first. These days, that's one of our most 185 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.519 valuable tools. Yeah. And when I wrote a story just about celebrities tweeting, 186 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.279 right they're UFO sidings. Half of them I think where jokes, but 187 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.320 half of them were serious. They believe they saw UFOs. Well here's something 188 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:20.679 that could be a joke perhaps, but for you tech people out there, 189 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.840 you might enjoy this. A dating company is developing a smartphone application that could 190 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:30.639 help Earthlanks find love among the stars. Local Sin is the name of the 191 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:35.399 company. They describe themselves as a social network that uses location technology to help 192 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.440 you find hookups around you. The company may need to modify its description to 193 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:43.120 read find hookups around the galaxy if it is successful and completes its plans with 194 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:48.279 this app. According to the Metro, Local Sin is working on an allegedly 195 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.200 NASA inspired app that will enable Love Secrets to transmit radio signals from Earth to 196 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:56.960 other planets. According to Local Sin spokesperson, it will give normal, broad 197 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.960 minded people the opportunity to commute, date with other life forms and could open 198 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:07.120 the doors to true universal dating. The company described their project as quote intergalactic 199 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:13.720 dating application, but intergalactic maybe overstating a bit. It seems the radio signals 200 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.440 will be confined to the Milky Way galaxy. According to the Metro quote, 201 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:22.360 transmissions could reach as far as Jupiter's moon Europa and Saturn's moon Enceladus, both 202 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:28.600 of which scientists claim could support life potentially. But beaming messages into space is 203 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.240 precisely what theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking has been cautioning humans against, as we've mentioned 204 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.200 many times on the show. But it appears Local Sin either didn't get the 205 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.919 memo from him or they don't think his warning applies to space love letters. 206 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.480 The app is reportedly planned to be offered for free, but development of the 207 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.799 app could take five years to complete. One thing is certain, the term 208 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.360 long distance relationship will take on a new meeting if the company succeeds in developing 209 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.000 their galactic love app, especially with dating. We could send out a message 210 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:07.399 to let's say Europa, and there could be this mermaid merman society under the 211 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:11.080 ice and the oceans, and they misinterpret and they get offended, and then 212 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.080 they come blow the hell out of us, you know, at least thinking 213 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.960 in the way Stephen hawking. It's kind of hawking will go I am right, 214 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.080 I was right, Run run and then sh would they take us out? 215 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.279 Yeah? Hopefully that won't be the case. But I don't really think 216 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:30.200 that they're going to get around to developing this. It seems like a lot 217 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:36.279 of hurdles they would have to jump through, and a lot of technological accomplishments 218 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:37.399 they'd have to make to be able to make an app, be able to 219 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.120 actually be messages into space. And really, you want to get your product 220 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.519 out to people who can pay you, right, And unfortunately we don't have 221 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.799 any trade relationships with anybody else, any other planets. Well, and as 222 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.759 I said, I mean they plan. So they're claiming they're going to offer 223 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.559 this app for free, but I imagine the development of something like this is 224 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.279 pretty costly. So yeah, yeah, so they're getting their money from somewhere. 225 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:06.160 Yeah, they might have some intergalactic deals going on. Yeah maybe. 226 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.079 Well all one hundred that is all the news for today. Remember, guys, 227 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.400 you can check out all these stories and so many more. Open Minds 228 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:14.920 dot tv your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McLellan, your Open 229 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.079 Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you one hundred. All 230 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.839 right, thank you, Jason. Yeah, I want to remind you of 231 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.799 about a couple other news stories and well, one in particular that I wanted 232 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:30.960 to mention was this one that just came up today on these guys who are 233 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:36.240 flying around remote control planes with a bunch of LED lights on them. We've 234 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:40.079 talked about that a little bit before. But what's great about this story is 235 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:44.440 it actually shows the pictures of these planes and kind of talks more in depth 236 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:48.839 about these guys and what they're doing. And the whole warning here is just 237 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:53.039 you know, as technology improves, plane remote control planes have lights on them, 238 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:57.279 kites have lights on them. LEDs these days are really small, and 239 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:03.119 unfortunately it means we have to be even more careful searching for UFOs to find 240 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.599 the real thing and not be tricked ourselves. So there's that story up. 241 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.039 You can find my tweet that I talked about the UFO Daily News tweet. 242 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:17.440 But also I'll have a story on UFO Daily News tonight about that you might 243 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:21.400 want to check out. However, we've got a lot to talk to mister 244 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:25.359 Lee Spiegel about and he's always a lot of fun and has a lot of 245 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:30.160 interesting things to say. So I want to move on and get on to 246 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.119 give Lee plenty of time to talk about all the stories of twenty eleven. 247 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:41.960 So let's go ahead and talk to Lee Spiegel. I am always ecstatic. 248 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.359 I always use the word excited. Today I came up with a new word, 249 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:52.000 ecstatic to talk with Huffington postwriter Lee Spiegel, and we've got him on 250 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.599 the line. Lee. Are you there always a pleasure to talk to you, 251 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.799 my friend. Yep, it's always a lot of fun. And we 252 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:03.200 know ever run out of things to talk about, and this is going to 253 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.200 be our year and review. So we'll talk about twenty eleven and then also, 254 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.400 because you've written already about it, even though we're only a couple of 255 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.400 weeks into it, we'll talk about twenty twelve and the exciting UFO news in 256 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:21.720 twenty two and you will be surprised maybe of how how much amazing stuff there 257 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.599 already is happening in twenty twelve. After now it's just the end of the 258 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:27.720 second week of the year. It's amazing. Yeah, I'm excited to talk 259 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.519 about it because I want to hear some more insights that you have on that. 260 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:36.200 However, one of the first things I want to talk about is is 261 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:42.200 plucked myself. No. I wrote a story about celebrities and twenty eleven because 262 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.799 there was a lot of celebrities talking about UFOs. And one of the more 263 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:52.640 exciting interviews I think out there was yours with Robin Leech because we found out 264 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.000 that you were friends and you have a relationship going back years and he's really 265 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:02.680 into UFOs. That was a really fun interview. He's I guess you had 266 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:07.440 a relationship with him for decades and it started because of your mutual interest in 267 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:12.279 UFOs. Huh. Well, he he originally before Robin for those listeners who 268 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:18.599 don't really know the name Robin Leech, because you know he's He became more 269 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.359 famous when his show Lifestyles of the Rich and Favorites came on in the eighties, 270 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:27.599 but prior to that he was on Entertainment Tonight, and then before that 271 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:34.039 he was an independent freelance writer from Great Britain and we met in New York 272 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:38.680 when he was a writer, and the way we met was pretty funny. 273 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:47.720 I had just finished putting together a UFO documentary record for CBS back in nineteen 274 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:55.480 seventy five called UFOs The Credibility Factor, and I had gathered voices of people 275 00:20:55.599 --> 00:21:00.599 like astronomer Jay on High, Nick stan Friedman, astronaut Gordon Cooper, Betty 276 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:07.160 Hill. And this was one of the first times of real what I'd like 277 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:12.200 to consider UFO disclosure, of a real attempt to get information out about UFOs. 278 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:17.759 This is nineteen seventy five, Alejandro. So I put this thing together 279 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:25.759 for CBS, and when I was getting ready to promote it at the end 280 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:30.200 of nineteen seventy five, I was invited to come on the radio station in 281 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.880 New York WNBC to promote the album on an all night show where they were 282 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.880 going to play portions of the album while I described what was going on and 283 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:42.759 who the people were. So little did I know that while I was on 284 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:48.839 this all night show, Robin Leach was driving to his home in Connecticut and 285 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:53.359 he was listening to me on the radio and he left what he heard. 286 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.000 A few days later, he apparently tracked me down because that's what he did 287 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:03.839 as an invent negative journalist. And my phone rang in my apartment in New 288 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.279 York City and there was a British man on the other end of the phone, 289 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.240 and he said, are you Lee Spiegel? And I said, yes, 290 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:14.359 who are you? He said, my name is Robin Leach and I'm 291 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.839 a writer. And I heard you onto the UNBC radio the other night, 292 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.599 and I think there's a story in you somewhere. Can I come over and 293 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:27.000 interview you? I said sure, why not? Because I was looking to 294 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:33.359 promote my album, of course, So he came to my apartment and it 295 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:38.240 was like two long loved brothers finding themselves after eons. He thought I was 296 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:44.839 cool. I thought he had astounding voice, and I love the fact that 297 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:51.039 what he did was he was running around Manhattan chasing celebrities and doing celebrity interviews, 298 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:56.200 and we just kind of both hit it off and we became friends. 299 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:03.079 And maybe within a couple of months months of our getting together, I had 300 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.279 a chance to go up to Maine to interview some people who had had some 301 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:18.839 interesting UFO sightings, and including a dying, very elderly former Navy officer who 302 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:22.759 wanted to talk about what he knew about UFOs literally on his deathbed. I 303 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.720 mean, it was an amazing experience for me to go talk to this man 304 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.359 and so Robin wanted to come with me, and we went to New Hampshire 305 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.039 together first because that's where my family was and they wanted to meet him. 306 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.519 And then we drove. We read to the car and drove from New Hampshire 307 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:44.440 to Maine. And by the time of the sunset and we were done interviewing 308 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.000 the various people that I had gone there to see, we were driving back 309 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.720 to New Hampshire in a driving rainstorm and Robin was behind the wheel and he 310 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:59.319 spent most of the drive on these country roads looking up at the sky hoping 311 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.240 to see light coming through. I had to keep telling him, Robin, 312 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:10.480 keep your eyes on the road. That is really funny. Now has he 313 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:14.160 ever had his own sighting? No? No, never, But how did 314 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.799 yeah, how did he get interested? He just has met a lot of 315 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.359 people. One of his friends is Apaulo eleven astronaut buzz aldron oh wow. 316 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:27.119 And so Robin has met over the years many celebrities and he's had occasion once 317 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:33.000 in a while to ask them if they've ever seen anything strange, But most 318 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:38.000 of the time she shies away from even asking them about it because he feels 319 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:45.759 like it's almost an intrusion to ask these people something about something like that that 320 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.160 could be potentially very personal to them. Has he so? Has he talked 321 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:52.119 to buzz Aldrin, because, of course, but buzz Aldrin has kind of 322 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:57.200 waffled back and forth. I know, I know he is a UFO possible 323 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:02.200 UFO sighting. What what he told mean that we used for our Huffington Post 324 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:06.079 interview, He said that buzz had talked with him about how he knew that 325 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:11.680 many astronauts had spotted UFOs that were unexplained. And I already knew that because 326 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:17.599 I had already interviewed one of America's original right stuff astronauts, Gordon Cooper, 327 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:26.160 and I also interviewed Gemini astronaut Jim mcdiffott, who had photographed the UFO during 328 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.559 one of his overtal flights. And in both cases of both astronauts, both 329 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:37.480 mcdiffott and Cooper, who had films of UFOs, they were both ordered to 330 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.400 send the films back to Washington, where they were never seen again, at 331 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:47.880 least by those two astronauts. Interesting stuff. Yeah, that is really interesting. 332 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:53.119 So when so you knew Robin Leach before he really got famous, when 333 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.960 he started doing the television show, did you ever lose titra. Have you 334 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:02.920 always been communicating back? And we've always We've always communicated. In fact, 335 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.559 a few months ago when he turned seventy years old, and many people say, 336 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.160 well, where's Robin Leech now? Well, he is right now probably 337 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:21.400 the biggest, most popular celebrity journalist living and working in Las Vegas. And 338 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:26.720 he will go to four sometimes five different celebrity events every day and every night 339 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:33.200 where he gets the energy for this. Everybody knows him, everybody wants to 340 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.920 talk to him. He has an amazing blog called Biggest Deluxe that people can 341 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.480 just go to and read about all the celebrity things that are happening in Las 342 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:48.599 Vegas. And he recently turned seventy years old and he invited his two hundred 343 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:56.240 of his closest friend from around the world to share in his seventieth birthday party, 344 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:03.400 a three day event in Las Vegas. I was there and during which 345 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.599 time the the former and current mayors of Las Vegas presented Robin with the key 346 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:14.880 to the city and they declared h September tenth as Robin Leech Day in Sin 347 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:21.160 City. You're kidding, No, I'm not so. Who were some of 348 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.319 the big celebrities there. I'm sure there were some. Huh, there were 349 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:30.440 a few, most notable Sick Freed of Sigfreed and Ry was there because they're 350 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:37.400 they're very good friends. Michael Chout, really well known New York City based 351 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.960 the Magician, was there to pull a few rabbits out of his hat. 352 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.440 Mostly local celebrities too, some that I didn't recognize because there were so many 353 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:51.160 people and I didn't actually see the guest list. I was, I was, 354 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.519 you're supposed to go steal it. I know, I know, well, 355 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:57.559 you know, I was so involved with the fact that all of the 356 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.599 odeus, that the cocktail party, and every single piece an item of food 357 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:11.440 at all seven special buffet stations within the building where we were, Uh, 358 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:19.079 everything was made and created by Wolfgang Buck because Wolfgang and Robin are very old 359 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:26.079 friends. It was it was and the building where we were was the called 360 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:30.000 the Keep Memory Alive. Building. It's a very special place in Las Vegas 361 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:37.799 that Robin helped to to in fundraising events to pull in millions of dollars to 362 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:45.400 create it is. It's a building that is helping to do research for people 363 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:52.799 who have the degenerative brain diseases like Alzheimer's and Robin was among the many people 364 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:59.119 who brought all the money together to create this amazing research center. And people 365 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.079 can go look at your story on the Huffington Post and there's actually a video 366 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.799 where you're interviewing Robin and you show pictures of this incredible building. Incredible building, 367 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:14.559 yeah, I mean really yeah. It was created by architect Frank Garry, 368 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.839 I believe. And when you when you see the building, you think, 369 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:19.559 well, what is this? Yeah, it looks like the building is 370 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:26.839 falling apart, but it's a magnificent structure. And it was just amazing to 371 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.720 just to kind of be there to celebrate with Robin. Well, I know 372 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:37.720 someone who is one of the parties, Trillian Carrot Talk showed up money. 373 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.599 Yeah, he's busy out there. Every time I go to La there's Carrot 374 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.960 Top here and there, and he's a big deal out there. And Teller 375 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:51.079 formerly uh been and Teller formerly. I heard a couple of months ago that 376 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:56.160 they broke up, and I don't know if they're back together again, the 377 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.240 big skeptics I know, yes, I know. Wow. I wonder if 378 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.880 they ever have heated debates with Robin. I'm not sure, although tell he 379 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:10.279 never talks anyway, so it's hard to debate him. Yeah, you always 380 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.519 win, although I will tell you I saw him talking on the night of 381 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.519 one of the birthday parties, so I can I can confirm that he does 382 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.880 speak. Yes, he does have a voice, Yes he does. Only 383 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:26.000 few have heard so. So Robin has been very interested in all things unexplained 384 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.079 because he knows that whenever I write a story, I will always send him 385 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.079 a story is as soon as it's published, so he can put it on 386 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.400 his on his Twitter site, on his uh so he can share it with 387 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.680 all of his readers. How cool. That's really cool. And it's kind 388 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:45.359 of funny that you mentioned the astronaut thing, because that was certainly a highlight 389 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.000 for me, and it's really one of the places where we got to first 390 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:56.279 meet was the press conference at the mouf On Symposium where Story Musgrave was But 391 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.839 unfortunately, I think we both asked some questions of him. But he is 392 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.720 a big skeptic. He doesn't believe we're being visited by anything or that there 393 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.480 is anything to the UFO phenomena. Well, well, he has said. 394 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:14.400 And I did a couple of stories with Story last year, and I was 395 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:19.319 a little surprised at first with his attitude, but he basically said that he 396 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:25.359 thinks that we are absolutely living in a galaxy in the universe that's teeming with 397 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.759 life. But he says absolutely no evidence that they've ever come here, and 398 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:37.039 I was surprised to hear him say that. And he claims that he has 399 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.359 interviewed many many astronauts who have claimed to see UFOs and he's never heard any 400 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.920 piece of evidence from any of them that would change his mind. I just 401 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.200 think he's asking the wrong astronauts. Well, we asked him, or I 402 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.880 asked him specifically Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell, and he said, yes, 403 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.440 I talked to them too, and again, I don't think there was anything 404 00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:02.720 that anybody told me. And it's surprising because Gordon Cooper's stories especially are very 405 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.960 compelling. I know, you know, one of the first people I interviewed 406 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.759 in nineteen seventy five was Gordon Cooper, and he had not yet at that 407 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.960 point told the story of when he was before he became an astronaut. And 408 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.799 he was out at Edward's Air Force Base in California, and he had a 409 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.480 film crew that was out doing some work on one of the dry lake beds, 410 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:31.880 and while they were out there with their photographic equipment, a disc shaped 411 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:37.839 object came down from the sky, three tripod like legs. I came out 412 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:44.359 slowly, and the thing landed right in front of their cameras, and they 413 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:49.839 rolled cameras on the thing. And Gordon told me that the thing very slowly 414 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:54.799 lifted up and shot away, and he was told by his commanding officer at 415 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.759 the base, you know, bring the film to us, And then he 416 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.119 said it was sent to Washington, where I never saw it again. And 417 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:06.359 as far as you know, that interview you did for your records was the 418 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.759 first time he shared that story publicly. Huh it was, Yeah, it 419 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:14.440 absolutely was. That's incredible and we and we became friends after that, and 420 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:19.640 that's why he wanted to be involved with my United Nations presentation three years later, 421 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.480 and and so he you know, I always I always felt that Gordon 422 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:30.519 got got a raw deal from from skeptics because they kept saying, well, 423 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.839 he didn't know what he was talking about. He was always a maverick astronaut. 424 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.279 Well you know what, gee, that's not that's not really skepticism. 425 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.799 That's just giving a guy a bum rap when he when he was compelled to 426 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.960 want to talk about something that he really believed in, right, and he 427 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:52.960 seemed like a very grounded person. He was. I like Gordon a lot. 428 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:58.319 I'll never forget the day that I was in California to do one of 429 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.880 my interviews with him, and and he had me meet him at the Disney 430 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:08.480 Company. He was vice president for web Enterprises, Walter E. Disney Enterprises. 431 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:14.000 He was one of the people that he was involved with the whole idea 432 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.920 of putting Epcot together in Florida. Really yeah, Gordon was part of that 433 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:24.079 initial that early design team. And so I met him at his office in 434 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:31.119 Burbank and we went to play tennis. And I was so delighted when we 435 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:36.440 got out to the tennis court and they opened up a fresh new cannon balls 436 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.440 and the three balls that came out were yellow balls. But they all had 437 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:43.000 pictures of Mickey Mouse on them. Oh, how funny. Oh. I 438 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.480 wanted to get into then some of your other favorite stories of the year. 439 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.360 I know you have a piece set just so people know another on Huffington Post 440 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.400 called twenty eleven's Top UFO Sidings and News, where people can see your top 441 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.960 eleven or stories I think, yeah, you know, you know, I 442 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.679 over the year, Alejandro, I actually because I didn't always just write about 443 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:13.480 UFOs, right, But when I was looking back at everything that I did 444 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.920 write during the year, it turned off that I wrote I'd written more than 445 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.559 fifty stories about now and and I was looking through them again as I was 446 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:29.519 putting my year end story together, and and you know, firstly I had 447 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.719 to whittle it down to like my top eleven of twenty eleven. And it 448 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:38.320 turned out that each of the eleven stories that I picked, they represented all 449 00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:42.840 of the months of the year. Oh really, that is and that was 450 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.039 just by chance, totally by chance, because I was just kind of going 451 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:46.480 through it and I went, oh, yeah, this is a big one. 452 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.880 Oh this was really cool. And then when I finally cut the eleven 453 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.320 that I wanted and I was putting them in like a chronological votter, I 454 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:59.599 realized every single month was represented. That is interesting. So what were some 455 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:05.480 of the more were exciting ones or eye opening or to you we had like 456 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.760 starting from like number eleven. This is like my my own personal top ten 457 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:13.760 lists, although in my case it's my top eleven lists all right. At 458 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:20.880 number eleven, the the FBI created a special website last year called the Vault, 459 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:27.360 and this pretty much gave the public an opportunity to look at documents in 460 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.880 what they called an online electronic reeving Room. And there were there were more 461 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:37.480 than two thousand documents that were that were part of this whole collection, and 462 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.880 some of them were about UFOs. Now, as you know, and most 463 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.960 people who are interested in UFOs, the United States government has always maintained that 464 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:52.679 UFOs don't warrant any kind of serious investigation. But some of the documents that 465 00:36:52.800 --> 00:37:00.840 the FBI released indicate that FBI Director j Ed Gohover in the late eineteen forties 466 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:06.880 was very interested in UFOs and there were documents that related this, and so 467 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.480 that just because of that very thing, because it was part of the FBI's 468 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:14.800 Vault, that became my number eleven story of the year. Some people with 469 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.719 all these stories, people said, well, I should have been number four, 470 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.920 number five. R you know what they get better? Yeah, exactly, 471 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.519 And I yeah, I felt the same way as you. And because 472 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.159 some of the or most of these files. You know, although some researchers 473 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.920 wouldn't know that Bruce mcabee had done some work and found and wrote a book 474 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.280 about a lot of these, But really they wouldn't have known that unless they 475 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.239 were kind of in the UFO research kind of arena. So, yeah, 476 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.880 the FBI had to put this on their vault. Really lends more credibility to 477 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.039 them. Yeah, and they didn't. They didn't make a big deal about 478 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.360 it, right, They just kind of quietly released it. And if you 479 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:53.679 know, they did put out a small press release and say, hey, 480 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.440 we've got this thing called the vault, you know, go enjoy it. 481 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.000 But they didn't they didn't go out of their way and say, oh, 482 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.920 by the way, some of the documents were releasing are all about UFOs, 483 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:08.599 all right, you know, because they don't have to say that. My 484 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:15.760 number ten was also about some UFO documents that I thought was very fascinating. 485 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:23.039 There's been this whole interesting JFK. John F. Kennedy UFO connection that has 486 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:29.800 never really totally been solved, to my satisfaction and to a lot of other 487 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:36.920 people satisfaction, and several people have used the Freedom of Information Act to get 488 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:45.280 some documents that clearly show that President Kennedy was very interested in UFOs. Not 489 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:51.639 only was he interested in them, but he wrote two very intriguing memos. 490 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.679 One of them asked the CIA to have all UFO files and the other one 491 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:04.039 was sent to NASA expressing a desire to cooperate with the Soviet Union of Out 492 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.280 of Space Activities, and Kennedy asked for all UFO files to be put on 493 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:15.280 his desk. Both memos were written on November twelfth, nineteen sixty three, 494 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:21.639 ten days before he was assassinated. Now people say, well, what an 495 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:27.440 interesting coincidence that is, you know, or it wasn't a coincidence, But 496 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.840 now what about the provenan on the CIA UFO memo. Isn't that in question? 497 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:44.400 Well, there was. There have been several memos involving the CIA that 498 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:50.559 involved something called the Majestic twelve documents, where people say that the CIA was 499 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:55.440 involved, had been involved with UFO research since the days of Eisenhower, and 500 00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:01.760 that there was one one document that came out basically said that, in referring 501 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:07.239 to Kennedy, that he was asking too many questions and that we can't allow 502 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.960 this to happen. I mean things phrases like that in documents, and it's 503 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.760 been very hard to prove we had the documents. The documents are real. 504 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:22.519 In fact, you know what, doctor Robert Wood, who's with the move 505 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.000 on on the board of directors. Doctor Wood used to work for McDonald douglas 506 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:34.519 Aircraft and back then and in the fifties and sixties he was actually involved with 507 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:39.119 a McDonald douglas investigation of UFOs. They were trying to see if there's anything 508 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:46.760 about UFO technology which companies like McDonald douglas or any aerospace companies could duplicate because 509 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.760 any company that could learn how to do UFO technology, well, that would 510 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:59.599 be a boon for our flight industry. But doctor Wood was able to get 511 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:07.199 a hold of certain documents, government documents, and he determined through various analysis. 512 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:12.079 He hired people to do analysis on the paper that the documents were written 513 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.760 on, the kind of inks that were used, the fonts that were used 514 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:21.400 in the documents, and he determined to his satisfaction that these were legitimate documents. 515 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.519 And so it's still kind of an ongoing mystery and we may never know 516 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:29.760 the answer to that. But because of the connection to JFK, I put 517 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.519 that as my number ten. Yeah, Jeff K was cool. Yeah, 518 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:40.480 you know, follow followed right behind number ten has a soft spot in my 519 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.000 heart because you know, we're now talking about New Hampshire and my trip up 520 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:51.239 there with Robin. I grew up in New Hampshire, and last year the 521 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:58.519 state of New Hampshire put up an official highway marker commemorating the nineteen sixty one 522 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:04.880 UFO sighting by Betty and Barney Hill, and the marker was placed near the 523 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:10.039 site of where they claimed that they had been kidnapped onto a strange circular craft 524 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:15.840 in the White Mountains coincidentally where I went to college, and they claimed that 525 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:22.639 they were physically examined by UFO creatures and their story was the first story in 526 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:29.480 the United States, and every other UFO abduction story is measured against it because 527 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.840 of the credibility of the people. And so it's just amazing that New Hampshire 528 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.639 put up this highway marker commemorating it. Yeah, that was a great story 529 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.639 and a lot of fun because I'm a big fan of Kathleen Martin to Betty 530 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.760 Hill's niece, who Yeah, she in fact graded my test when I became 531 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.800 a Moofon investigator because she used to do that for Moufon. Oh uh huh 532 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.559 so, and it was her work along with that well, and started by 533 00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.239 another gentleman out there in New Hampshire. So I think it is important. 534 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.000 It lent to credibility that the state. You know, it's a very pretty 535 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:09.199 nice marker with the state seal on it. I think that's significant that the 536 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.719 state was willing to do that. It's amazing and no one has ever and 537 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.880 many people have tried, no one has ever been able to discredit Betty and 538 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:24.559 Barney Hill for the story that they told. And a mutual colleague of you, 539 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:31.840 as a buying Hollywood producer, Bryce is Abel has brought the rights to 540 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.599 the book that Kathy Martin and Stan Freedman wrote called Kidnapped the bet and Barney 541 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.039 Hill Story, and he's going to turn that into a major motion picture. 542 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.039 That's going to be great. There was an old one that's kind of funny. 543 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:52.880 It's very with Edward or the guy who played at Darth Vader's voice. 544 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.320 That's right. I like that. The guy who played that, Well, 545 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.000 the younger people will know that then like, oh, but James Earl Jones, 546 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:06.599 that's to think. James Earl Jones played Barney Hill and Estelle Parsons played 547 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:15.039 Betty and it was a made for TV movie in nineteen seventy five that NBC 548 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.119 put together, and I think people can catch it on YouTube. Oh yeah, 549 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.000 yeah, yeah, it's easy to find. And they did a really 550 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:27.679 good job, you know, very limited, low budget special effects, but 551 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:32.159 the emotion of the experience comes through. And I remember very very vividly that 552 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:42.039 when NBC was about to premiere the movie nationwide, Betty was invited to come 553 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.480 down to New York to see a screening of it at NBC, and she 554 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.679 invited me to join her because I was already living in New York. Oh 555 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:54.199 cool. So Betty and I saw the UFO incident privately. It was amazing 556 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:59.679 just to be sitting there with her, to watch her reacting to how they 557 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.760 put Rader on screen. So yeah, the Betty and Barney Hill New Hampshire 558 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.559 marker definitely number nine. Again, I could have put that up closer to 559 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:12.000 the top, but I had other one. Yeah, I know, you're 560 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.639 right. There was so much my list. When I tried to narrow it 561 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.679 down, I was going to do ten, came up with twenty. I 562 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.599 had like thirty five that I thought were just so significant. It's hard to 563 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.119 do, all right. Well, my number eight story kind of happened in 564 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:32.719 August when the History Channel presented a very provocative, well done two hour UFO 565 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:38.960 special, and it was based on Leslie Kane's best selling book UFOs Generals, 566 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:45.719 pilots and government officials Go on the Record. The vice president of the History 567 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.199 Channel told me that if it wasn't for Leslie's book, they never would have 568 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.440 done this special. It was just because of how well her book had done. 569 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:58.599 It was a New York Times bestseller and it featured The show featured so 570 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:07.199 many very credible people from the Federal Aviation Administration CIA. Former Arizona Governor Fife 571 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:15.440 Symington. From your backyard, right, he describing his own dramatic UFO sighting 572 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.639 from the famous Phoenix lights. I believe it was nineteen seventy, nineteen ninety. 573 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.440 Well, I'm getting the dates, no arms. I've caught him in 574 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.800 my backyard too, and I'm like, what are you doing? And he 575 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:30.719 just runs away. I don't know what he does back there. Yeah, 576 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.880 well he's ninety seven or ninety four. Yeah, getting mixed up. You 577 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.480 can look it up and you can insert it whenever you want. Yeah. 578 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:47.400 But he went like ten years without telling anybody that he had also seen this 579 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:55.239 gigantic boomerang shaped object fly silently directly above his head. And it took him 580 00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:00.400 ten years before he apologized for lying to the public and to the media, 581 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:06.519 right and because of that, you know, just talking to him and hearing 582 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.760 what he had to say. Or The program also featured and I interviewed the 583 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:19.960 Federal Aviation Administration executive who revealed how the CIA warned him not to talk about 584 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:25.119 specific UFOs because they told them the public might panic from the truth. So 585 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.239 I thought, well, yeah, that's going to be on my top eleven 586 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.840 list. Absolutely, Yeah, great one, and that was ninety seven. 587 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.880 And in hindsight, as far as twenty eleven and the documentaries, that probably 588 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:43.480 was the most significant documentary. Or I mean, there's a lot of great 589 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.000 TV shows. Yes, Are Faked has had some cool stuff on there, 590 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.920 a lot of people love the ancient Aliens, but I kind of feel probably 591 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.760 documentary wise, this was the most important one. Yeah, And I thought 592 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.159 it was really well done. It was very fast paced. They threw a 593 00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.400 lot of stuff in there that was like no nonsense, and you had to 594 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:07.559 pay attention to what they were saying. And that brings me to my number 595 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:13.679 seven, number seven, And the thing about number seven. It's like this 596 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.639 kind of strikes me more personally than most of the other on my list. 597 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:27.800 Back in March, more than eight thousand pages of previously classified UFO files were 598 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:34.079 released by Great Britain, and there was one set of key documents that detailed 599 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:40.559 how the United Kingdom actually attempted in nineteen seventy eight to stop the country of 600 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:46.679 Grenada from trying to convince the United Nations to form a special UFO Study Committee. 601 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.599 Well, the presentation that Grenada put on in nineteen seventy eight, it 602 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:59.039 was my presentation. And so when Great Britain released these documents just last year, 603 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:04.119 I would wait a bit. Great Britain did what they tried to stop 604 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.920 basically my presentation. Yeah, I took a little personally when I read this 605 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:13.159 in these documents at the time. Do you remember having a short lived relationship 606 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.800 with a woman with a British accent? Make I think of James Bond. 607 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.840 I've seen him do that kind of you know, well, I'm trying to 608 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:27.400 come up with a good name like a pussy Galore or on Her Majesty's Secret 609 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:32.639 Survey. Yeah, I know. No, I mean this was a total 610 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:39.440 shock to me because I had no idea thirty years until thirty years went by, 611 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:44.960 and so I saw these documents last year to see that England had had 612 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.719 tried to do this. And so one of the things that I did was 613 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:54.519 I contacted Nick Pope, who, as you know, was the former executive 614 00:49:54.559 --> 00:50:01.719 He ran the British Ministry of Defense UFO office for three years. And he 615 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:06.440 said he was expecting my call. He knew when the document came out that 616 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:07.760 I would be getting in touch with him, and he said, look, 617 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.400 he said, listen, when you were doing your presentation in nineteen seventy eight, 618 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.760 I was still a teenager. I wasn't working for the government yet, 619 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:21.239 so you can't blame me. But he said, but I will tell you 620 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:27.280 this on behalf of myself. I'm going to give you an official apology and 621 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.760 unofficial he said, I'm unofficially apologizing for what my government did to you in 622 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:36.800 nineteen seventy eight. And he admitted that we used dirty tricks. We would 623 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.320 play down these stories that we knew were significant, and he apologized for that. 624 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.440 Well, and you know what funny you should say that you just hit 625 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.159 on my number six story of the year. Oh that was number six. 626 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:57.760 I was one of six were basically as these documents were released, Nick, 627 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:04.119 like you said, and he actually revealed this exclusively to me in an indue 628 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.480 because we just happened to start talking about it. He revealed that he was 629 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:13.960 part of this official British policy of ridiculing UFO reports and the people who report 630 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.360 them. And like you said, Pope said that he used what was a 631 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:23.280 combination of spin and dirty tricks to downplay the reports and he now regrets being 632 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:28.440 a part of Yeah, I mean, he basically said. One of the 633 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.440 reasons why they even did this in the United Kingdom was because once they knew 634 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.760 they were dealing with something that was a real phenomenon, they weren't ready to 635 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.480 go so far as to say, oh, we're being visited by aliens. 636 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:45.440 All that they knew for sure was that there was something operating in their skies, 637 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:52.559 and they didn't want to cause any disruption in the population. They didn't 638 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:59.760 want to tell their citizens that there was something in the sky that they had 639 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:05.639 no control over. And it's interesting because that is similar to what Fike Simonton 640 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.480 said about why he at the time downplayed the Phoenix lights. Yeah, exactly. 641 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.480 So, so okay, on the one hand, you know, those 642 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.480 of us who are doing research, and you know, we want this information 643 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.480 to come out, We want disclosure. But on the other hand, sometimes 644 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:29.320 it appears that maybe disclosure is not a good idea because there could be something 645 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:35.559 to the idea, that there could be some disruption in social awareness and how 646 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.280 the public might react. Although I would like to think and hope that that's 647 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:44.559 changed over the decades. Right, Well, I don't know, though, 648 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:49.079 probably not. But I think one thing to note well, and most people 649 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.159 listeners know this because I talked about Nick bo But quite a bit, and 650 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.239 that we've got him on the show, but that he is now currently still 651 00:52:55.239 --> 00:53:00.480 a UFO advocate, and he goes out and he speaks that we need to 652 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:06.199 do more research in this phenomena because it does, indeed, unlike his government 653 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:13.639 claims, pose a threat something unknown flying around in the sky. Yeah, 654 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.119 and people like Nick Pope, you know, they will go just so far 655 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:21.119 and they will stop sort of saying yes, I believe we're being visited. 656 00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.039 Now, whether he believes that or not, he won't say it publicly, 657 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:31.039 and I'm okay with that. I just want more people to feel comfortable to 658 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:36.239 at least to be able to report what they see or what they photograph, 659 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.199 what the video tape, because that's part of the big problem about UFOs anyway, 660 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.960 which brings me right to my number five. Before you get to number 661 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:46.920 five, I did want to mention about that before we move off to the 662 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:54.360 British thing. Is your story about how you started working on that record in 663 00:53:54.400 --> 00:54:00.920 the seventies, which then kind of morphed into this un initial to me was 664 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:06.159 really one of the most fascinating stories I've heard all year. In fact, 665 00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.559 I've written a story. It won't come out to like what February in Open 666 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:15.400 Minds magazine all about that, But that's an incredible story. What you went 667 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:21.039 that would be a great movie is you know Brad Pitt playing you and your 668 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:25.719 seventies gear and going around the country interviewing these UFO guys. Well, so 669 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.360 you pulled up Brad Pitt pretty fast, didn't you. Yeah, well, 670 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.239 I'm looking at these pictures and you're a pretty suave guy back then. That's 671 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.760 only because I was able to look good in a three piece of GOVI suit, 672 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:45.320 right. Well, you know I after I did my UFO album in 673 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.719 nineteen seventy five, I was restless. It didn't seem to be enough, 674 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:52.920 and I wanted to do something else. I wanted to step it up a 675 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:57.679 little bit to see if there was a way that I could bring this idea 676 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.079 of the UFO disclosure. Although I I've used the word disclosure, that's the 677 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:05.719 more recent thing. I wanted to see if there's a way that I could 678 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:10.199 get more people around the world to know about this. And I thought, 679 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.119 well, maybe I could do this at the United Nations. And I found 680 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.679 out very quickly. If you want to go to the United Nations and do 681 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.280 anything any kind of a presentation, you can't just walk off the street and 682 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:27.280 say, Hi, can I do a production on UFOs dear please, thank 683 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:31.159 you. They won't let you do that. You have to be an accredited 684 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:38.159 delegate of a nation that wants to sponsor whatever the presentation is that you want 685 00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:45.000 to do. So. Coincidentally, luckily for me, Eric Gary, the 686 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.280 Prime Minister of Grenada, had been trying to get the United Nations to pay 687 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:53.000 attention to his personal UFO crusade. And this was in nineteen seventy seven, 688 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:58.679 and I noticed in the media that nobody was really paying attention to him. 689 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:06.719 Tiny Caribbean nations. It just wasn't going anywhere. So I sent a copy 690 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:12.400 of my UFO album to the mission, to the Grenada Mission in New York 691 00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:17.719 and his ambassadors and I became friendly. They forwarded my album to the Prime 692 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.119 Minister in Grenada, and then he wanted to meet me on one of his 693 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.760 trips to New York and we met, and I basically, as some people 694 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.519 have claimed, I made a deal with the devil, he being the devil. 695 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:37.400 Why did I think of him as the devil? Well, only because 696 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.719 I had heard stories that he had a goon squad, a group of people 697 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:51.840 in Grenada who quieted or silenced people who didn't agree with Gary's policies. And 698 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:58.360 friends said to me, if he invites you to Grenada for the weekend, 699 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.880 don't go. So in Grenada, it's opposite then what people think might have 700 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:07.880 happened here. Here, they think people who see UFOs get silent. There 701 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:15.159 the bunkers get That's a good way of putting it, I know. But 702 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:20.360 I was determined to do something at the U n and and so I made 703 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:22.199 a deal. We had a handshake, and I said to him, mister 704 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:27.920 Prime Minister, you're trying to get the United Nations to pay attention to you, 705 00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:32.800 and basically, with all due respect, they're not if you sponsor my 706 00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.920 presentation, I will bring the people to the United Nations who the world will 707 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:44.679 listen to, Alan Heinez, Gordon Cooper, Jacques Vallet, Stan Friedman. 708 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.360 I will bring these people and I'll put a presentation together. We'll have lots 709 00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:54.320 of documents, will have visuals, and the world will take notice. I 710 00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:59.159 think, all right, I mean, I mean, what am I have 711 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:04.880 going for me? I was on a hope and a prayer and so over 712 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.679 a handshake we did it, and they made me a delegate of Grenada. 713 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.719 I had to get a little delegate UN card that had my name on it 714 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.840 that said I was an accredited delegate, and that started the whole ball rolling. 715 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:22.639 I found out months later that the State Department had at least one document 716 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.000 about me, about what I was doing behind the scenes at the UN, 717 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:31.599 naming me as the ring leader of this preservation. And so I just moved 718 00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:37.760 forward. And we had the one famous photograph that was taken in July of 719 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:42.760 nineteen seventy eight that showed all of us sitting around the table with Secretary of 720 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:46.960 General Kurt Waldheim, and that picture has been published all over the world since 721 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:51.599 then. Yep. And I'll be able to see it in the story that 722 00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:55.960 we have with some other great pictures you provided for us in the magazine. 723 00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:01.480 Yeah, I mean pictures like you know. And again this was I was 724 00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.199 working on this at the beginning and middle and end of nineteen seventy eight, 725 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.159 just a few months after Close Encannas of the Third Kind. That was the 726 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:15.719 big holiday movie for nineteen seventy seven. That's exciting. Spielberg had to been 727 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:20.239 paying attention to your efforts. Well, he was, because at some point 728 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.639 in the beginning of the year in seventy eight, I got a call from 729 00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:29.440 Columbia Pictures, who had done Close Encounters with Spielberg, and they said that 730 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:31.519 they were going to fly me from New York. They're going to fly doctor 731 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:37.119 Alan Heineck from Chicago and Jacques Palle from Northern California. They were bringing the 732 00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:42.719 three of us to California to meet with Stephen Adam's office because he wanted to 733 00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.800 see what he could do to help with my un presentation. How did that 734 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:49.280 happen? Yes, it did, Oh my gosh, it did. It 735 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:53.199 was an amazing meeting, and like I said, it was just a few 736 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:58.440 months after. I think close Encoonnas was probably still in some of the theaters 737 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:06.239 at that point, and so, and they provided me with some visuals, 738 01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:10.320 some production still, some other documents that they had, and Columbia Pictures was 739 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.920 very accommodating to us. So yeah, little little things like that. So 740 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:19.119 so in the movie about this, who do you think is going to play 741 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.639 Steven Spielberg. That's a good question. I'd have to think about that. 742 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:28.840 I'm so not well versed with actors and actresses names these days. He may 743 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:31.440 he may have to play himself. Yeah, Rickard Dreyfuss would play him. 744 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:37.039 That'd be funny, that's right. So so yeah, I mean the whole 745 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:42.159 um thing played out over the rest of the year. We did the presentation 746 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:47.480 in November, and basically the Secretary General invited the rest of the countries of 747 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:54.880 the world to decide individually if they wanted to participate in sharing information about UFOs, 748 01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.159 and any countries that were interested in doing this, they could present this 749 01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:07.239 information in early nineteen seventy nine when the Committee for the Peaceful Uses of out 750 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:13.119 of Space was going to convene, And he also said that Grenada wanted to 751 01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:20.679 continue this Grenada could continue its thrust in this committee. The next time that 752 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:25.840 the General Assembly met in nineteen seventy nine, well, gee whizz, none 753 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:30.320 of that ever happened, because a couple of months after we did our presentation, 754 01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:36.559 Eric Gary was ousted in a political coup in Grenada. I wasn't going 755 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:39.519 to say the British didn't do a very good job, because you really didn't 756 01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:45.920 notice anything that they were up to unless they were behind the Gary ousting. 757 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:50.880 Well I don't know, but I mean talk about coincidences and you know. 758 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:54.760 And so when Gary out of power, there was nobody left in Grenada to 759 01:01:54.800 --> 01:02:00.199 continue his crusade, and the UFO issue very quietly went away. And well, 760 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:07.519 three years later, under President Ronaldigan, we invaded Grenada. And I 761 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:09.800 was saying, watching this on the news and thinking, boy, is it 762 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:16.079 possible this is my fault? All right, that's toughly conspiratorial, but I 763 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:21.000 guess you never know. And yeah, it's just this whole thing is such 764 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:25.000 an important story, and so many have forgotten about it. And that's why 765 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.719 I always love to revisit this story, revisit the work of Heinek and Valet, 766 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:36.639 because these are important things that happened. For goodness sakes. I remember 767 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.760 there was a rumor a couple of years ago of a meeting in a back 768 01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:45.400 office at the UN about UFOs, and people got so excited. Big deal, 769 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.400 you guys brought this to the General Assembly. You're showing movies, You're 770 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:53.199 you're talking to the General Assembly. I mean, bigger things have happened at 771 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:59.119 the UN in the past. Regarding UFOs, well, it was an amazing 772 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.880 experience, I'll and not to be soon forgotten by those of us who were 773 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:08.920 involved. When I was talking to Jacques Vallet last year and for your listeners 774 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:15.119 who aren't totally familiar, there was a character of the French astronomer in the 775 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:20.280 movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The astronomer was played by the famous 776 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:25.800 French actor and director Francois Truffau. Well, that character was molded after Jacques 777 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:30.639 Vallet, the real life astronomer, and so it was amazing for me to 778 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:34.360 have him as part of my presentation. And when he and I were talking 779 01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:37.039 last year, I asked him, I said, Jacques, after all these 780 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:42.519 decades after we did that, do you ever regret what we did or do 781 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.679 you think that what we did back then was a waste of time. And 782 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:50.239 he said to me, no, even though we didn't get the outcome that 783 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:54.920 we originally were looking for, the event itself was a milestone in the history 784 01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:59.360 of the subject. And when he told me that that made me feel really 785 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:06.280 good. It wasn't important coming from him. It just solidified or confirmed to 786 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:13.039 myself that I tried it, tried to get some international thing happening, and 787 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.079 we did what we could, you know, using the tools at the time 788 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.159 that we had available to us. Well, and and now that I think 789 01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:29.800 about it, Francesois Trudeau played Valet Truffau. Heinich had a cameo in the 790 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.159 movie. And they'm advising you they should have had you, and they didn't 791 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.639 put you in the movie though, huh No, they probably would have used 792 01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:41.400 Brad Pitt, although he might he's probably like a little kid back. Yeah, 793 01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:43.440 he was just a little fella like me. Well, you know, 794 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:47.119 and again again you know, remember it was Alan Heinich who came up with 795 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:50.599 the with the phrase close founders of the first, second, and third kind 796 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:55.519 Yeah, amazing staff, Yeah, it was. It was amazing to be 797 01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:00.519 part of that. That whole scene is that unfolded. I I knew at 798 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:05.119 the time that I was involved with something that was very special, and I 799 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.599 wrote it as much as I could to try and get this information out there, 800 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:15.239 and I knew that we were doing something really good and important. All 801 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:17.960 right, I guess we'll move on to number five. Well, number five, 802 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.719 you know, was something that this is a perfect example of how people 803 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:29.719 can be fooled by things, by photographs, by videos. Probably the biggest 804 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:36.840 video of the year I think that that was an actual hoax was something that 805 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:41.920 happened at the end of January, and these videos went viral on the Internet, 806 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.480 allegedly taken by different people at different angles, showing a UFO that descended 807 01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:54.519 from the sky and had hovered over an Islamic shrine in Jerusalem, and after 808 01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.239 several seconds, this glowing white light suddenly shot straight up in the air, 809 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:06.480 allegedly joining other unexplained lights in the sky. But that's when the controversy began. 810 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:12.280 At least one of the videos that came out is considered a hoax because 811 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:16.119 what it did was it used a soundtrack, the same soundtrack as another one, 812 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.880 and it looks like it was this videotape from a still photograph on a 813 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:25.280 television screen right yeah, and so when you get things like that, it 814 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:30.760 just kind of washes everything else out. Whether any of the videos were actually 815 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:36.480 the real thing, you never know because there was so much damage control already 816 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:41.320 done. Well, and those other to that film that were caught in lies, 817 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:45.480 they said they didn't know some of the others that had filmed it, 818 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:50.920 and it turned out they were movie professors. And these other people who say 819 01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:56.360 they said they didn't know where their students, that's right. They were busted 820 01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:00.239 by the Israeli news. So yeah, it and you know what, there's 821 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.320 gonna be people listening to the show. We're going to be upset at us 822 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:09.440 were calling this one. Well, well, well, hey wait, did 823 01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:14.440 we get to my number one story? Okay, well, let's move towards 824 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:18.960 it. Then let's see number four. Number four was was was really something 825 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:26.159 because again this was something that I was directly involved with. At the beginning 826 01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:32.559 of September, I was I was talking with Oh, okay, you're gonna 827 01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:39.639 have to add this pot out, the Black Fault guy, John green John 828 01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:45.559 green Wall, Okay, yeah, okay, take two. Uh. At 829 01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:47.599 the beginning of September, I was talking with John Greenwald. He's the creator 830 01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:54.960 of this amazing site called the Black Vault, and it's like the biggest online 831 01:07:55.079 --> 01:08:00.679 collection of previously classified documents on of our variety of subjects, but so many 832 01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.280 of them about UFOs. And so I was doing a story about that and 833 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:14.480 John sent me a document that was dated in October of two thousand and eight, 834 01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.119 and he said, you know, I find this very interesting because in 835 01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:24.600 nineteen sixty nine, the Air Force officially closed the books on its investigation of 836 01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:29.760 UFOs, that was the Project BO book. They basically said, after years 837 01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:32.920 of studying UFOs, there's nothing to it, nothing of any scientific interest. 838 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:36.359 They're not from out of space. They can all be explained. Now, 839 01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:43.600 don't bother us anymore, go away for not investigating it. So this document 840 01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:48.199 that John sent me that he had in the Black Vault was it was basically 841 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:57.279 a reporting manual, a lengthy manuals for Air Force procedures on how Air Force 842 01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:02.319 personnel are required to report various things that they come across in the course of 843 01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:09.600 a day. And in one of the chapters of how to report certain things, 844 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:14.319 one of the things was listed was unidentified flying objects. And I thought, 845 01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:17.479 well, this is very interesting because if the US Air Force got out 846 01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:21.520 of the UFOs in sixty nine. Why is this manual from two thousand and 847 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:29.960 eight giving instructions on how to report UFOs? So I called the Pentagon because 848 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:32.359 I wanted to talk to someone about this. I just wanted to ask them 849 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:36.800 a few questions about why why were UFOs included in the two thousand and eight 850 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:42.800 Air Force manual? Pretty simple, straightforward, and I gave it the details. 851 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.520 I said, here's the manual number, here's when it was dated in 852 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.039 two thousand and eight. I'm going to ask somebody there's some questions because I 853 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.399 would like to answer to my readers. Well, they said, we'll try 854 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:55.359 and get back to you with an answer as soon as we can, and 855 01:09:55.479 --> 01:10:00.359 I didn't hear from them for several days. Four days later, I went 856 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:05.840 onto the Air Force site to see if I could find that same manual and 857 01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:12.640 I did find it. But four days after my initial inquiry, I noticed 858 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:17.279 that the Air Force had just released an updated manual and all the UFO references 859 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:23.880 were deleted. Again that word coincidence, Well, what I think, it's 860 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:29.000 hard. And there was some debate that came up in the UFO world about 861 01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.000 this, whether or not it happened, and there was a good argument that 862 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:36.000 why would the Air Force care. They have so many procedures and policies, 863 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:42.680 why would they care about your inquiry and take it out. However, this 864 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:47.640 thing has been on the records for them since the fifties. It's topfly coincidental 865 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:54.680 that sixty some odd years later, at the same time you request is when 866 01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:59.960 they take it out. That is, it's either extremely uncanny and an extremely 867 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:02.760 coincident, or they're like, you know what, this is the straw that 868 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.880 broke the camel's back. We're try it. Tired of being harassed about it, 869 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:09.720 let's just take it out. I don't know, I don't know, 870 01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.119 and I will I will, I will say, and I'll go on record 871 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:15.439 that I came under a lot of fire, a lot of heat from people 872 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.439 who said I was making way too much of a big deal out of this, 873 01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:25.119 that that the Air Force had already been spending months in preparing this updated 874 01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:29.359 manual, and that it was just a coincidence that four days after I called 875 01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:32.720 them to try and put the screws through them, suddenly this new manual came 876 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:36.880 out a few days later. Maybe it was coincidence, I don't know. 877 01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:41.279 But then when I pressed them further to find out, well, now do 878 01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:45.279 you still have reporting procedures for UFOs or are they now finally gone forever. 879 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:49.560 I was told that I was going to have to contact someone at NORAD because 880 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:57.840 NORAD was now the only organization that had jurisdiction over both the United States and 881 01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:01.760 Canada. Well, it turns out you can't really press nor AD into giving 882 01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:08.199 you answers because nor AD doesn't come under the jurisdiction of the Freedom of Information 883 01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:11.600 Act in the United States. Really, I didn't know that. Yeah, 884 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:15.079 so you can't You can't be using the FOIA and thinking you can get information 885 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.760 on a nor AD because they don't have to talk to you. Wow, 886 01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:24.279 what a racket. Yeh, Yeah, that's a good way to put it. 887 01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:29.199 What our racket these guys. Yeah, So that was That was like 888 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:33.680 a really interesting one, and I put that up on my list and again 889 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:41.920 as part of the same scenario. Even though the Air Force supposedly ended its 890 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:48.000 UFO investigations in nineteen sixty nine, we have documents nor AD documents, by 891 01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:56.479 the way, that show that a significant number of incidents have involved UFOs with 892 01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:02.159 correlating radar reports and reports of military jets that scrambled to try and intercept the 893 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:08.920 unknown objects with no success. And these are from nineteen seventy five. So 894 01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:13.640 if the Air Force hasn't been investigating UFOs in sixty nine, why do we 895 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:17.479 have documents in seventy five showing not only are they interested, but they tried 896 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:20.479 chasing these things and they couldn't get them. Yeah. Well, one thing 897 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:25.199 we've all learned in the past few years, and I don't think anybody doubts 898 01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:30.520 anymore, is that the military are liars. Well, when they don't want 899 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.479 you to know about something, they don't want you to know about something. 900 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:39.199 Yep. Number three the book that came out at the beginning of the year 901 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:45.399 about Area fifty one, written by investigative report Annie Jacobson. It went best 902 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.520 selling in a matter of time, and like very very quickly in an explosive 903 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:57.920 book that she wrote about the top secret Nevada military installation. Now, the 904 01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.760 entire book was basically, here's the history fifty one. Here is some of 905 01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:03.800 the things that we know happened there, the fact that the United States used 906 01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:11.960 this top secret military base to test new technologies. It's pretty fairly well known 907 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.039 that this is what happened there. But in the final pages of the book, 908 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:20.319 just the final pages of the book is what caused all the controversy that 909 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:28.880 lasted a long time, where basically she was suggesting based on one person's account, 910 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:33.720 a person who used to work at Area fifty one who told her that 911 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:43.920 former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin recruited Joseph Mengela, the Nazi doctor who was called 912 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:50.560 the Angel of Death, that he was recruited by Stalin to surgically alter children 913 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:57.800 to look like aliens in nineteen forty seven as part of a plan to crash 914 01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:02.119 a disc shaped craft outside of Roswell, New Mexico. Well, I mean, 915 01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:06.319 everybody went nuts when they heard about this. This is all they wanted 916 01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:11.840 to talk about. And the media was jumping all over Annie Jacobson saying, 917 01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:15.119 you know, how reliable was your contact about this? How can you prove 918 01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.640 this? Are there documents and it's still kind of out there. Well, 919 01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:24.640 she stood behind it. Yes, And what's great with your story is you 920 01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:28.840 put you show the video because this is what kind of ended the whole story. 921 01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:34.439 It was a big news. And then ABC did an interview with her 922 01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:39.239 witness the only time that she let someone and he's like well, I don't 923 01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:42.000 know. She blew it out of proportion. I don't know that I actually 924 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.199 said those things, and I can't remember. And as soon as that story 925 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:49.520 came out, everybody dropped it. Oh I know. And yet, like 926 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:53.960 I said, she stood by the story. Yeah. So again. While 927 01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:59.439 it's generally known that the secret base has been used to develop spyplanes, right 928 01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:06.520 the UFO fables the lore surrounding the place, it still captures the imagination of 929 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:12.479 the public. How many people you know have driven along the Extraterrestrial Highway there? 930 01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:15.520 Yep, very many except for me. I haven't been there yet. 931 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:18.279 No, I haven't either. One of these days, I'd like to go 932 01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:23.039 to this place called the Little Ali Inn. Yeah, we'll have to check 933 01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:27.039 it out. I saw it on Paul the movie Pod. Yea yeah. 934 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.960 Well, and now we come to number two, my number two story of 935 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.279 the year. Boy, it just has to be the We the People White 936 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:40.880 House UFO petitions. I mean, boy, did this get lots of publicity 937 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:45.680 Just a few months ago when the White House created a site where citizens can 938 01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:53.840 petition the Obama administration to ask him to respond to different issues of concerns that 939 01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:59.119 they have in the country, and the first two UFO related petitions were submitted 940 01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:05.079 and they they had to get At the time it was only five thousand signatures. 941 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:10.720 That since has been up to twenty five thousand, but you had to 942 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:15.399 get a required number five thousand signatures in order to get the White House to 943 01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:21.640 issue an official response to the petition. And UFO believers they were not happy 944 01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:27.000 when the White House said that there was no evidence of alien life visiting Earth, 945 01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.399 no evidence that any information is being hidden from the public. Well, 946 01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:35.159 it's like an ongoing saga. Now. Suddenly two more petitions sprung up again 947 01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:42.760 by Stephen Bassett with his Paradigm Research Group, and Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan 948 01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:49.520 collaborated to put a petition together and they actually tried to get twenty five thousand 949 01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:54.840 signatures and they had to get it by December thirty first, but both petitions 950 01:17:54.880 --> 01:18:00.720 fell short, so the White House did not feel compelled to respond. Yeah, 951 01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:02.600 we had Bryce on a couple of weeks ago to talk about this, 952 01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:09.880 and I did see the news that Bassett is going to run his again. 953 01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:15.479 Oh yeah, he's planning on doing it. He's claiming that twenty twelve is 954 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:18.760 going to be the year of disclosure. Well, okay, maybe maybe not. 955 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:25.760 It's hard to say, but you can certainly try. Yeah, what 956 01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:28.840 did you think? I felt the one thing I had a problem with not 957 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:31.640 so much with their response that was no surprise, but one thing I do 958 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:35.199 have a problem with. The whole thing seems kind of disingenuous because given Grant 959 01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:40.920 Cameron's work to find some of the emails that were in the back channels, 960 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:43.840 they're like, hey, we got to answer this damn thing. Essentially, 961 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:46.720 you know, we've got two days to come up with some foofy answer to 962 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:51.199 throw out there. They don't take this hole and we either people think very 963 01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:59.039 serious. It doesn't seem well. I also remember the people who were assigned 964 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:02.159 to come up with the official responsors at the White House. They don't necessarily 965 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:06.720 know anything about UFOs or the subject matter at all. You know, these 966 01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:12.560 are people who wouldn't even have a need to know or high enough security classification 967 01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:16.560 security clearance to even be able to talk on it. And so it's certainly 968 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:23.600 easy for the White House to come up with a generic response that basically says, 969 01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:27.199 we don't know anything. We don't know what you're talking about. The 970 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.239 Air Force got out of it in nineteen sixty nine. We don't know anything 971 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.520 more. You know, we us alone. They can say that, and 972 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:38.359 they basically did. And they tried to spice it up a little bit by 973 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:42.359 saying, well, you know, the Kepler or spacecraft is out discovering more 974 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.159 planets, and now we know that there might be earthlike planets out there in 975 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:50.960 the universe, and so our hopes are raised that we might someday find a 976 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:58.640 planet that might have microbial life. Well, okay, fine, expedition please, 977 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:01.720 right, but one thing that is significant, which also I think, 978 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:05.439 you know, justify your number two spot for it. It's the first time, 979 01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:10.520 as far as I know, the White House officially has had to answer 980 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:16.640 a question like this. Yes, but how many people really seriously thought that 981 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:19.960 the White House was going to give it all up? I only know of 982 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:26.000 one. And who might that have been? Possibly the author of the first 983 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:28.560 one? Oh well, yeah, you could be right. I mean, 984 01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:32.560 sure, it's one thing to build up the hopes, but but you know 985 01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:36.439 what, they're not going to give it up that easily. Yeah, if 986 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:40.199 there is something to give up, the White House isn't going to do it. 987 01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:43.600 They don't have to. Yeah, and I don't really think that anyone 988 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:46.239 at the White House knows anything, and it may be some guy who's not 989 01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:49.479 sharing it with the rest of the people in the White House. You gotta 990 01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:55.399 go to the Pentagon or Area fifty one maybe for the answers, or as 991 01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:57.840 I'll suggest, they should just go to Nora End, because that's where I 992 01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:00.199 had to do. There. You go, yeah, and I won't tell 993 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:02.920 you anything. They'll lock the door. So do we have like a drum 994 01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:08.000 roll now trumpet van drumwall. We didn't leave much time for it. But 995 01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:11.960 here is number one. Well, this is this is again. This is 996 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:17.199 my personal number one story, partially because I was involved with it and I 997 01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:23.840 came under a lot of heat about this one too. Back in October, 998 01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:32.920 NBC broadcast a football game between the New Orleans Saints and the Indianapolis Colts, 999 01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:39.720 and coming out of a commercial break, they showed a little thirty second video 1000 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:45.560 that spotlighted the Saint Louis Cathedral. It's a landmark cathedral in New Orleans, 1001 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:50.720 and it was like a very slow moving video that showed the cathedral, very 1002 01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:57.359 nice looking landmark. Well, some viewer at home body saw something streaking through 1003 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:02.840 the sky behind the church and he apparently he had dvrd the game, and 1004 01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:09.319 so he ran it back and he slowed it down and noticed that when he 1005 01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:15.079 really slowed it down, what was streaking behind the cathedral appeared to be like 1006 01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:21.359 long, elongated, brightly lit objects that shouldn't be there behind the church. 1007 01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:26.039 And so he figured, well, at the at the normal speed, these 1008 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:30.600 things couldn't possibly be anything earth bound because of how fast they were moving. 1009 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.279 Yeah, it looked like a zip bye zip by several times, and so 1010 01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:42.720 it prompted all the speculation with a meteors and some people claimed that they were 1011 01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:45.760 They had to be insects. They had to be insects flying very close to 1012 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:51.039 the camera lens because they couldn't possibly be flying behind the cathedral because then they'd 1013 01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:58.560 be huge like Rodan or Mafra speed, you know. Or they had to 1014 01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:03.159 be UFOs. Well, okay, fine, So I put this story out 1015 01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:09.359 and the day after my story hit the Huffington Post, I got an email 1016 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:14.239 and the subject line of the email basically just said, I'm the guy who 1017 01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.640 shot the video in New Orleans. Would you like to talk to me? 1018 01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:24.359 So I was curious and ended up speaking to R. D. Willis, 1019 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:30.560 the NBC cameraman who shot the footage. It was his job. This is 1020 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:35.840 what he does when NBC was putting on Sunday night football games. He would 1021 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:40.359 get to the city wherever the game was going to be broadcast from, and 1022 01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:43.800 he would get there on the Friday before the game with all of his equipment, 1023 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:47.119 and he would go around the various cities and shoot what they call beauty 1024 01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:51.880 shots, different landmarks, different nice things about the city that they would show 1025 01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:58.399 coming out of the commercial brace. Now, the special rig that he had 1026 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:03.920 was a video rig used time lapse photographic equipment. It was. It was 1027 01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:11.279 a computerized rig which when you, for example, to show a thirty second 1028 01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:15.239 video, to shoot it in real time, it took more than an hour 1029 01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:17.760 to shoot it, so that when you played it back it would be thirty 1030 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:25.319 seconds long. So the time lapse photography gives the appearance of objects moving much 1031 01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:30.279 faster than they are. So he said, while he was just watching his 1032 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:35.520 camera doing its work, he was just hanging out and he was just merely 1033 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:43.159 watching these airplanes that were passing behind the cathedral on their way to a landing. 1034 01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:48.880 But the long shutter exposure of his camera made the planes seem much more 1035 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:53.880 out of this world. Okay, but this was the explanation. He even 1036 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:57.680 said, if you look closely at the clock on the front of the cathedral, 1037 01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:00.720 as as it appears to be moving slowly, you'll see the second hand 1038 01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:04.840 of the clock moving really fast, and you can see it if you actually 1039 01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:08.920 look for it. Or if you look at the ground in front of the 1040 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:15.239 cathedral, you will see people and buses and cars moving at superspeed, just 1041 01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.359 like the objects in the sky. But it's because of the way the camera 1042 01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:23.640 was moving by the computer that it looked like it was moving very slowly in 1043 01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:28.000 front of a fence. So people thought, well, must be UFOs. 1044 01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:31.479 Okay, So I put out the explanation. I said, folks, it's 1045 01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:36.079 revealed the UFOs were not UFOs. They were planes. End a story. 1046 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:44.319 I started getting almost hate mail from people accusing me of making it all up 1047 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:50.159 and claiming that I was part of a large debunking and ridicule policy, and 1048 01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:54.520 like, boy, couldn't we come up with a better explanation than time lapse 1049 01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:58.039 photography? And I went, wait a minute, that is what happened, 1050 01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.079 all right, tomar On, Folks, give me a break. I am 1051 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:04.920 not at the bunker. I'm not a Ridiculer. I'm a reporter. I'm 1052 01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:10.720 trying to get to the root of something, and it's just amazing that people 1053 01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.439 with the truth staring at them, in the face of Alejandro, they will 1054 01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:19.399 believe what they want to believe. Yeah, it's really sad too that you 1055 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:24.920 come under attack, because the point is you're just as much as them wanting 1056 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:30.479 to find some good, real UFO videos because you believe they're flying around out 1057 01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:33.039 there, and you know, hopefully someone will get a great video that you 1058 01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:39.199 can post and not just for popularity so we can show the world that something's 1059 01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:43.239 going on here. I feel that way. But more than that is the 1060 01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:46.840 truth that you know, you don't want to just show some video that you 1061 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:54.760 know isn't a real UFO just for the the reason to show something to people 1062 01:26:54.800 --> 01:27:00.520 that that isn't genuine I know. And but because people are so setting their 1063 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:04.399 ways, setting their beliefs, they want to believe what they want to believe 1064 01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:10.920 because of this problem. This to me is what made the New Orleans story 1065 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:15.000 the number one UFRO story of twenty eleven. Yeah, you know, and 1066 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:19.279 I get to give Jason credit from Open Minds because he when he looked at 1067 01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:23.119 it, he was the only one I knew the first day that said I 1068 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.880 think it might be time lapse, and then the next day, you know, 1069 01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:30.279 you came out with your story and explanation that indeed that's what it was. 1070 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.960 Yeah, people can even go look at some of the pictures real time, 1071 01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:39.680 right that you've got some of that video. Oh yeah, yeah, 1072 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:42.880 it's it's just amazing. I mean, yeah, I want to believe a 1073 01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:45.520 lot of us want to believe, but I don't want to believe it at 1074 01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:49.239 the expense of coming across like I'm a debunker. That's right, the furthest 1075 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.600 thing that I want to do. Right, So, so what a year? 1076 01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:57.079 Yeah, what a year? And you know what, we're going to 1077 01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:00.399 have to save twenty twelve for next time because we're pretty much out of time. 1078 01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:05.000 But we can, Hey, this pluge your site. People can go 1079 01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:10.920 to the Weird News on Huffington Post or look for least we go on Huffington 1080 01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:15.840 Post and they'll see your story about twenty twelve and how there's already been a 1081 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:19.560 lot of sightings. Right absolutely, yeah, I mean I'll tell you this 1082 01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:27.560 story quickly. For the entire month of January of twenty eleven, new from 1083 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:32.880 the UFO network, they recorded about five hundred reports. Right now, after 1084 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:38.640 the first week of the new year, they had two hundred and thirty three 1085 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:43.840 reports. That's about a fifty percent increase over the last year already. That's 1086 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.000 a lot of sightings. So you can read more about that on the story. 1087 01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:53.079 And also you'll be talking about this and other things at the UFO Congress 1088 01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:57.119 coming up in February, that's right, so check out ufocongress dot com. 1089 01:28:57.359 --> 01:29:00.840 I meet us. I'll be there least there and come and meet us and 1090 01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:04.520 say hi, and we'll talk about all this sounds great. Thank you so 1091 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:08.880 much for having me on the show again, Alejandro. All right, thank 1092 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:11.920 you so much for being on again. And I think you know from what 1093 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:16.640 we've talked about this entire show shows are certainly dedicated to this effort. Well, 1094 01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:23.640 hey that I'm a debunker now right, all right, thanks for being 1095 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:29.279 on the show. Okay, thanks to Lesepiegel. He's a great guy. 1096 01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:33.239 He's always wonderful to have on the show. And remember that, you know, 1097 01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.479 like we talked about this whole show, there's a lot of news going 1098 01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:40.159 on, so you're gonna want to be up to date. And you're up 1099 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:43.560 to date and you're gonna want to have our Twitter feeds, which are pretty 1100 01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:46.920 much news feeds. So you can go to Open Minds dot tv or Open 1101 01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:50.880 Minds TV on Twitter, or you can go to UFO Daily News on Twitter. 1102 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:54.800 I have a news feed where all the news stories, you know, 1103 01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:59.479 you get them every day as they come out. I'm Jason from a Centric 1104 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:02.840 you can him. And of course we've got all of our Facebook as well. 1105 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:08.479 All of us have a Facebook out there, so go check us out 1106 01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:12.399 and stay up to date. Thank you all so much for listening, and 1107 01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:15.560 we will talk to you next week. Audios