What up everyone, Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin. Right now,
we are starting to drag Ball GT Virgin because we just caught up to the
latest chapter of dragon Ball Super in the last episode. We are doing this
on rand Cafe on the rand Cafe Twitch channel while we're taking a break from
Anime Virgin as Briggs takes some you know, normal human time off. We're
just going to keep going and doing some dragon Ball Virgin episodes in the meantime.
So we have very exciting episode today because, like you know, any
dragon Ball fan will hear about GT here, whispers about it like you know
horror stories, and finally we're going to get into it. I definitely watched
some episodes out of order as a kid, so like there is some nostalgia
for me there, but I've never actually watched it from start to finish like
this, so that's gonna be a new experience for me. And of course,
Ray, the dragon Ball Virgin who's with me today has never ever seen
dragon Ball GT. So what up? Right? What up? Yeah?
I was gonna say, I was having a conversation from someone. Yes,
yeah, wait, we want like sorry, the thumbnails off, let me
just switch to the thumbnail. But yeah, keep keep going, keep going.
That's a twitch problem for the podcast listeners. I was gonna say,
Um, I was having a conversation with someone yesterday who has watched UM dragon
Ball Z caught up with the manga chapters, and he even said he's only
seen like a couple of GT episodes. So I feel like a lot of
fans are like at least casual viewers of dragon Ball, like they don't really
get the GT. So we're doing something I think like that doesn't that isn't
done too often, like focusing on GT. So I'm excited to at least
talk about that. And yeah, I mean I definitely have, um,
you know, perspective on it so far. We'll just I just leave it
up, you know what. I think it's interesting. By the way,
what up mister Bowers sells Hell? Yeah, nice surprise with Draging Ball Virgin.
Yeah, drag Ball Virgin on Mondays instead of anime version until Briggs gets
back. Um. Yeah, I thought this would be an interesting one for
you because you said the Trunks is your favorite character, right and here Trunks.
Yeah, but this guy's kind of the same age as future Trunks.
So I was wondering how you'd how you'd feel about that. I mean,
again, it's not Future Trunks, and he comes with his own backstory and
he's been through a lot of shit and and this with a sword and everything.
Like him as a character. I really like this Trunks. I didn't
really like Okay, yeah, you think he's more spoiled than necessarily like Future.
He works like this corporate job yeah at the beginning, and yeah,
fuck corporate jobs. Yeah, Like, I'm just I don't know, how
could you compare someone who works corporate jobs to someone who bravels across like time
periods. Yeah, and is from like apocalyptic future where he has to fight
androids to survive. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of an anti climactic in
that sense for sure. And no, you're right, I mean this guy
had but Jada the whole time to kind of protect him, right, he
didn't have to Yeah grow close. His clothes too, I think are very
I will say that I like the retro clothing, and maybe it wasn't retro
at the time, but I like the bandanas, Like I like the usage
of bandanas, So I like, um the fact that Trunks uses it.
And I think Pan has a cool esthetic with her with her clothing and her
bandana as well. Yeah, Pam not so I'm fine with like what she
wears. I just want to get a picture here of what he looks like.
Yeah, he's wearing like these kind of cargo shorts and this black undershirt
with this like not a trench crow. Go wrong with a black under shirt,
to be fair. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm just used
to seeing future Trunks and in the cool saying armor and oh yeah, I
mean saying armor is hard to compete with for sure. Yeah, so yeah,
I agree that. I just do want to say that I don't know
why bandanas were always cool to me when you was like on around the neck
or whatever and stuff like that. So I used to draw as a kid,
and obviously inspired by drawing a ball and stuff like that, and I
just like drawing with my friends, and for some reason I always like that
bandanas, the characters like Android seventeen and like Trunks has here, It was
always a cool luck to me. But maybe that's just the personal thing.
Yeah, No, I'm just as we're speaking, I'm googling pictures of Trunks
and I forgot even the capsule corpse like outfit he wore was really really cool
Future Trunks And then a picture just came up with Trunks in the corporate suit.
Yeah, and it's like a kind of like a greenish suit and it's
just so ugly. He has like the vest on two, he had glasses.
It just makes him look so uncool. But whatever, I mean,
I wasn't expecting Future Trunks to come. He's already living in you know,
we talked about how he's already off there. Course he wasn't. He wasn't
going to come back, right, but yeah, exactly that would be weird
replacing his old self or whatever. Um. I do want to say,
Sam says Pan looks cool, so cool, which I agree with, but
his underwhelming performance wise, and that was a takeaway for me too. I
sort of wish Pan was strong. I feel like she has the jeans to
go super say. I mean, it's early in the series. Obviously,
we just watched her first sixteen episodes the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga, and
then next is Baby Saga, which I'm hyped about. Um. But yeah,
so that's something that we have to look forward to seeing her our wise,
But so far, it's it's been her lagging behind Trunks and Goku,
which makes sense, but yeah, powers a whole other thing we gotta get
into, because why is Goku only going super? Sayan right, like,
yeah, was that a kid part of it? Yeah? I just okay,
keep going. Yeah, I was going to say, because that's what
frustrated me as well, Like when he ended up and we could get into
the story itself and then talk about it, but like when he ends up
turning into a kid, it frustrated me because nowhere did it specify like the
powers would be reduced. It's very obvious that, like the powers are reduced,
because I thought it'd be pretty cool to see him at his regular power
as a kid, even though we could talk about, like we even like
the idea of him becoming a kid, but I thought like it was just
something a little bit different. Yeah, the fact that he's like he's definitely
power scaled back significantly is disappointing. So that was just I mean, that's
what I think it appears at he's power scale back. Am I incorrected saying
that no, because I think they implied that with the fact that he was
struggling and he didn't go beyond Super said maybe he'll unlock it later, I
don't know, but so far he's definitely been struggling. And also his instant
transmission like is there tel rotation is not working as it should, which also
implies to me that like, he doesn't have the same power he once did.
But we need to talk about Pelf. People are talking to chat about
the Pee Loft Gang. Bro your favorite gang returns once again, Like you
can't escape them no matter what. Why does this happen? Why do they
want to make them relevant all the time, even when I could just picture
them seeing them old here right though, because in the dragon Ball super I
guess they wished for youth or just definitely my did, right, But here
you have them as like super old. So it's it's weird seeing them like
that. Yeah, but I'm just thinking, like they're just sitting around the
table and thinking, Yo, what Pelf. We haven't thought of him in
a while, we haven't used him in a while. Let's make him relevant
again and bring him back to the started GT Like just what an awful idea.
But he is important to the plot because we learned in the first episode
that he gets ahold of the Black Star Dragon Balls, which is new we
haven't run into the black Star. Dragon's an interesting idea, maybe like ripping
off a bit too much the other dragon Balls, but it's an interesting idea
because it has this like dragon Balls, but like this dark twist, like
and like, you know, there's perhaps a darker vibe going for that because
it is childish. But maybe it's just the colors they used in like the
nineties, but this looks like a darker atmosphere than normal dragon Ball, you
know, like not storytelling wise maybe, but like just the whole atmosphere,
the color palette that they're using, it seems like a darker series. Yeah,
I would agree. Yeah, and even um, did you have you
ever heard of the English like the dub theme song, the one they played
in Canada. I think it's like a rap I like, No. I
listened to the one on Funimation whatever that is, and it feels less like
a rap more like a song song by like a w It's definitely not that's
not the one. I like it, though. I do want to say
I like the both the intro and the outro songs. Um. They're not
like rock Dragon Dragon Like, they're not an epic, but I like them.
They're really like I don't know if you know the word for it,
but there's low fi like chill music. You know, it just feels like
something, you know, I could really like chill with. There's another one.
I could send it to you later, and it's a rap. It's
like um stepping to the Grand Tour, Grand to a Grand Tour or Dragon
Ball GT something like that. Yeah, and it is like, yeah,
it's it's like you talked about, darker like again, it's just a bit
more like Edgier compared to dragon Ball, where we're used to the uh you
know, like that savatada blah blah. So yeah, it does have a
bit of a darker like, I don't know, dark ness. I don't
want to say if it's a tone to it, but it does seem a
little bit more like Edgier, if that's even the right word. Then dragon
Ball because obviously, I mean right when I started watching GT, I definitely
got dragon Ball vibes. And I don't think I'm the only one. It's
adventure story, yeah, because it goes back, especially this arc, I
feel like it's not gonna be that way because just looking at the arc titles,
which I don't think is a big spoiler. It looks like we're gonna
move to the bad guy per like Badass bad Guy per arc kind of formula.
But this definitely started more like the first season of dragon Ball, where
you have that adventure aspect to it, which, um, I am looking
forward to the hype bad Guys portions, but actually enjoyed this. Some parts
weren't as good as others, obviously, but I enjoyed the adventure aspect.
It's except you know, just like dragon Ball where he actually explores the world.
Here they're exploring space which is unlimited, and they can get really creative
with it, which I think they do. They have they have fun with
it. Um. I do think it's going to get better. But so
far it's been it's been interesting. Yeah that's a good attribute us interesting.
But yeah, it's been like it's creative, I guess is why to say
it? Yeah, no, I totally get it. And you definitely get
that kind of old gang vibe with Goku being a kid again, hands and
kind of the place of Boma, and it's kind of, I don't know,
maybe a mix between Yamatre and krillin in a way like just that other
friends A long how dare you do Trunks like that, bro? But you're
right, Trunks is not as badass here sold her or not in terms of
like powers, but in terms of just his role, like he's I think
guy who's more neutral or you know, he's maybe the voice of reasons sometimes
when Goku is being too childish. Yeah, um, Pan, Yeah,
I also had that thought that Pan is like Boma, Boma was stronger,
right, Yeah, because Boma was hopelessly weak. Um in Dragon Ball,
Pan seems to be able to you know, hold her own sometimes. Uh,
she can fly, you know, she has that sad blood, but
she's also been definitely the weakest of the three, and that's constantly shown with
the fact that they're like, oh, don't bother Trunks, he's doing work.
They're constantly treating her like a child, right, And it's funny how
they had that whole conversation jumping ahead of it, but they had that whole
conversation of whether Pan should continue to join them on their journey, and Trunks
at first didn't think so goquiz like staying out of it, like he doesn't
give a fuck, And then Trunks is finally like, I'm sorry, Pan,
like you're part of the team. We can't do it without you,
like one of us is not here, all of us are not here kind
of thing, and that that was interesting and good for the story, I
guess, and it was like hype for Pan, but at the same time
that was not the mature thing to do, to just like keep Pan in
the group. But yeah, I mean it's like it's a cartoon, right,
it's an anime, so and you're gonna watch them. And when you
say cartoon, because like some people are just fucking anime, don't compare to
two. But like, yeah, it's animation and that's something else too,
Like unlike the other like in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball's Eve, where we
have the different storylines storylines going on at the same time. Here they end
up getting blasted off in that spaceship, and no one seems too concerned about
Pan being in that spaceship. Like it's like, here's this I know she's
strong, right, she's not a normal girl, but like here's this young
girl just going into this situation where she's going to outer space, and like
no one's really freaking out as much as I thought, which is kind of
weird. But the other interesting dynamic I found was Goku and Pan because obviously
she's calling this young kid Grandpa, which is pretty funny. But then there's
other times where like she's being a more mature parent to that guru robot like
in terms of discipline than Goku, and there's times where he's like taking his
clothes off and getting naked because of course that's what Goku does in front of
her. And I just thought, like, yeah, the dynamic there is
no there was, there was some. There was some weird moments here too,
like that guy who that weird villain who treated Pan like as a doll
as like his they'll talk they'll talkie or something. Yeah. Yeah, um,
that guy was super weird. Right, Oh so you had you had
some weird moments around Pan for sure. Yeah. But ye see what the
exact name was, doll Talkie Yeah yeah talk yeah yeah, Like I was
like the creepiest dude like so far had um And one of the questions was
that we could get to eventually, which was your favorite villain so far?
Doll Talkie is not him. I don't know who it is, but it's
not doll talking At first, I thought it was gonna be the Cardinal I
think it's moochie mooch or something like that at first, and then he turned
out to be very uncool, So, um, I don't know, he's
someone who wasn't really my favorite. I don't know favorite was do you say
that Lord Lude Like I guess he would be so like the good okay,
the guy who who was putting people or do you mean the doctor or do
you mean the guy that was just a doctor? The guy it was like
that robot thing that had to sell in it, that was that was created
by doctor MoU. Yeah, and that that wasn't my favorite villain, just
because I don't know. It was a like it was an interesting dynamic where
they couldn't just overpower it. There was a specific way to defeat it,
which is like which the guy kind of have to use to keep things interesting
and to keep paying relevant, right, So she had to attack from the
inside while go qu attacks from the outside at the perfect time. So I
liked that element of it. The story was interesting because it had that little
trick they had to perform. But villain wise, I like that first guy
they fought in that first planet. Um, you remember guy the rich guy
was trying to hire, but he's like, I'm not for sale. Yeah,
Um, what's his name? I think I have written I know who
you mean? That's your favorite villain so far? Yeah, because we don't
have a lot of options. Name is don't like, it's not Donkey,
but it's something similar, like Donkey or something like that. Donkey. Yeah.
No, I really liked him actually because at that point, Um,
up to that point, yeah, Donkey, I think, oh no,
Donkey is the lead led gig or legic or something like that. That's the
fighter, that's the guy he Donkey was trying to hire. I never put
that together that that sounds like Donkey. That's actually hilarious. But no,
I really liked that dude because he knew they were sayings and you could tell
he was like a threat, and he didn't end up being like an actual
big threat. But I just when they started fighting, Goku and him and
Goku and Super said, it was the first time in Dragon Ball GT that
I had those like epic battle vibes so far, right, So I look
forward to seeing I look forward seeing that fight. It wasn't crazy or anything,
and I think we're gonna get better fights as we go on. But
he just seemed like a respectable dude. He wasn't like a douchebag. He
was just like an antagonist that they had to fight, and an interesting one
in my view, and it was I really enjoyed that fight. But obviously
he wasn't the strongest opponent so far, because that lead robot was stronger.
Yeah. I guess something that I didn't like as much was just there were
some episodes that seemed irrelevant, like just having an episode for the sake of
having it. Like I'm thinking of Zoonoma. He was that big monster who
took trunks. Thought he was like the girl. Yeah, I think it
was like a couple of lended into each other. But I feel like that
is an homage and a shout out to original Dragon Ball, which had those
stories. I remember the rabbit that turn people at the carrots that you weren't
crazy about, or like the b episode if you remember. I actually I
actually kind of like that, not from like a great storytelling perspective, but
just like interesting Alice in Wonderland kind of story where they have to help the
giant and the perspective of being smaller than everything in the world. I thought
that was creative. It was interesting how they dealt with they tried to deal
with like some actual socio political stuff when they were talking about the taxes with
Donkey and how people are you know, the tax they pay, they can't
pay it, and then the house gets taken and Goku actually becomes like this,
uh fighter for the downtrodden. So that was you know U. Yeah,
they got really creative with it, and yeah, you're right, some
of it just doesn't stand out and they blend in together. But it recreated
that adventurous feeling of not knowing what's going to happen next, not knowing what
kind of world they're going to enter next. And I enjoyed that. Yeah,
And I think that's why so many people are critical of GT. It
seems is that obviously Dragon Ball is more of that adventure story, and then
as you go on, it gets more into the fight and then z is
strictly fights, hyping up those fights, go back to the adventure stuff,
and it's kind of like you're built up to have this show that has these
hyped fight power scaling and it just reverts back to this this older kind of
way of telling stories. And I think that's why a lot of people exactually
disappointed. I was going to say, that's why what maybe would have been
I don't know if it was more interesting, but maybe could have worked more
like people would have Baby been a bit more accepting. Is if GT was
like the time period between when Goku is like a child and when he gets
older. I know that's more like the dragon Ball It's not quite between dragon
Ball and dragon Ball Z. It's still in dragon Ball, but maybe that
way, it's like has that adventure trope still running through it and it's kind
of associated with dragon Ball. But I think that's why, like you get
like, people don't want that really anymore, and people maybe when they were
younger they liked dragon Ball, and then as they got older they liked more
of the fights, and then this older audience is not getting what they want.
So I think, or look at that criticism, I get that because
yeah, you these aren't dragon Ball fans moving on to Dragon Ball GT.
This is dragon Ball Z fans who have been prime for a certain kind of
series. And then to almost feel like Goku was regressing, the story's regressing
like an old format that is no longer what people were necessarily looking for.
I can feel like how some people would would not be happy about that because
we although I don't think every story needs this, with Dragon Ball and Dragon
Ball Z, it's about Goku getting stronger and fighting stronger villains. That's just
what the show is. And so when he becomes weaker and he has to
fight weaker villains, and we watched sixteen episodes, right, and I don't
think we fought we've Goku hasn't reached close to the level he's reaching dragon Ball
Z. So yeah, that could be frustrating for people, like watching sixteen
episodes and still not seeing Goku step it up compared to Dragon Ball Z.
And yeah, they're just to give people a sense of how much GT has
a bad rep. There are people in the chat being like, oh,
you're watching GT, I'll pray for your souls and stuff like that. There's
also President of the Press says I watched it and wished I never wasted my
time. But honestly, there are parts that I know about that Ray doesn't
know about that I'm super hyped to get to. And when I saw it,
I needed to get the cassettes, remember cassettes. I had to get
the four episode special cassette of that moment. So I think there will be
a lot of cool highlights in GT. And they're even articles where you could
degree or disagree with some stuff that, like dragon Ball, GT did better
in dragon Ball Super Obviously, I don't think it's a better series as a
whole, but but I think it does have some cool moments. And I
still remember me and my friends being hyped about certain things that were happening in
it while we were we were growing up, so that was really cool.
And I'm wondering if we're going to get like other characters coming in. It
was funny to see Vegeta there with the mustache, horrible haircut. Yeah,
me and me and Ray were just walking and he brought up rout of Vegeta.
I just gonna help a laugh. Man like is going to be relevant
in this story because he doesn't seem too interested. Actually, that'll be a
super interesting thing to keep a close eye on. I don't want to spoil
it for you, right, I don't want to say, should I say?
I won't say. I won't say because I want to see, like
how you're going to to react to this, like arc by arc, and
I kind of want to see how you feel about this vegeta versus Dragon Ball
super Vegeta. I think that would be interesting. So I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna spoil it, but I'll just say he does play a bigger role
in the future than he does now. But um, that's it. I
also want to play a big role. Actually I don't remember, but but
that's a good question. That's a good question. I do want to say.
Ryle Yarkum asked a while ago, Hi, who is better Boma or
Android eighteen? I just want to answer obviously, Android eighteen Ultimate sellers right,
eighteen is best girl. She's She's amazing. Krellin really hit the jackpot
there. Speaking of um Android, I think it was doctor Meu. He
was the guy who created or put that cell into I think it was one
of his cells or something into the lord Lewd robot. Did you get android
vibes? In terms? Remember that older Android that was there? Um,
I forget which one it was. It was like the less relevant one,
the old man one who goes into the city and starts destroying um things he's
with, like the other kind of fatter one that was like a mine.
Oh yeah, do you mean? Yeah? Now I'm trying to thinking of.
So you're thinking about from dragon Ball what do you think about from what
series? Well, I'm just saying like he just reminded me of him,
like Dragon Ball Z from an esthetic point of view. H Yeah, I
guess it would have been. I noticed that immediately. Yeah, so you
definitely have that android's idea because some people would be like, why the fuck
is he fighting robots? But that's nothing new, right with the androids and
stuff like that. Yeah, it is doctor Jarau. Um. Yeah,
No, that's definitely a throwback to him. So it's interesting to see what
kind of new creations that guy will come up with because he's clearly relevant and
he clearly isn't dead, so we'll see, like what else he can come
up with. Um. Yeah, like there was there was a lot of
cool aspects to this adventure stuff. But I'm looking forward to getting to the
Baby saga, which I think I remember some stuff about Baby, Um,
I don't remember clearly what's gonna happen, So that'll be interesting for me.
I'm this next dark is getting my nostalgic nostalgic vibes going, and I'm actually
super excited for the first time see all of the baby stuff all of the
stuff afterwards, and yeah, so what are your thoughts This is a really
important question. What are your thoughts on those three brothers dancing brothers. I
called them the less cool gain you for us, like yeah, but with
no sort of Yeah. I again, a lot of this stuff, A
lot of stuff feels like throwbacks to uh the series dragon Ball and dragon Ball
Z. And yeah, those guys were definitely like I want to begin you
for us for sure, with with less power. But they were interesting.
They had some interesting abilities that came in handy. They did make me crack
up sometimes. You know, you have to be in the mood to laugh,
like you know, you're not gonna be pissed, and they're gonna make
me laugh. But I was in the right mood and did. They cracked
me up a bit at times with the fact that they said they had to
sing to be telepathic. And I like the fact that they turned out to
be friends rather than posed. After that, I just thought it was so
drawn out, like especially when they're they first encounter Trunks and Goku and Pan
and they do the dancing and they're dancing with them like they're forced to dance
there. They can't control their bodies, and I'm like, man, like,
how long is this going to go? And then it ends up like
the whole thing gets shut down when that insect comes back and they get scared
and their suit doesn't work anymore. I'm like, this whole drawn out.
It seemed like it was at least five minutes on them dancing and it all
gets shut down based on this like irrelevant insect that comes up and scares them.
I just it was just funny, like the reasoning why you would have
that, But yeah, I know it's for humor. Yeah, they're the
humor guys. Yeah, for sure, there's dragon Ball has always had more
of a humor focus. Dragon Ball Z more of the fighting focus, and
here we have like more of the humor being thrown back in which you know,
it's it's different. I do like that dragon Ball Super again through a
more humor focus in certain areas. But yeah, I think that's pretty much
all I got unless you want to say something else about the season. Obviously,
what did you think about the GIU betrayal. I'm still not sure what
the fuck's going on with that. Yeah, I mean that did throw me
because, especially in the previous like episode or two, you see that Pants
starting to warm up to it felt like the other way around too, right,
like he was he thought well of her, but now it could be
a strategy or something. Yeah, So I mean what I'm thinking is he's
going to end up like this was the plan probably all along, and he
decided, like, you know, I have to follow through with it.
But he's starting to warm up to them, and then he's going to end
up doing something that allows them to escape or helps them in the long run,
that being like trunks Pan and Goku. So I think he'll like he'll
end up changing his ways. I think he was just caught in this narrative
that I had to go and I convinced these people to come to the planet,
and then he's going to realize, like, I'm gonna abandon these kind
of roots that I have and save these guys because they're like my only friends.
So I think that's what's going to happen. But yeah, even like
when he goes to the planet and he's seeing the other robots, he thinks
he's so cool and you could tell like he's not that same robot we thought
he was before, but he had like he has to still be relevant because
he has that Dragon Rader in him and that's the whole point of the show.
And they've established that I'm in a dynamic between them four. So honestly,
I don't remember what happens here, but I do feel like he should
side with our guys. But we'll see. Because he's on all the posters
and stuff like that, it would be crazy if if they just like he
ends up being a trader. I also liked the power of that one dude
who was able to like transform into a bunch of balls and then just like
rain down on them and then tournament too spikes and like reform and trap them.
As far as powers go, that was pretty creative and uh yeah,
I actually enjoyed that power. M yeah, I mean that's that's what it
was. There were some like creative ways that different antagonists showed their power,
but again, it's just it was way less cool than Dragon Ball Z and
even dragon Ball like it. It was less cool when it comes to and
I think, I think we should accept that this isn't gonna be better than
dragon Ball or dragon Ball Z or even as good, but just try to
pick out what is good from it, because like I know some people love
shitting on stuff, and we'll like say when we think something is like,
you know, terrible, Um, but I like, I think there's like
so much hate anyways, that might as well try to pick out some good
stuff about him. Well, did we even address what our thoughts are in
terms of them deciding to make Goku a kid? Me? Like, what
are my thoughts about that? Yeah? I don't. It's hard to even
ask me that because I just know gt is a thing, so like,
I didn't even think about what it must have been like when people initially saw
Goku revert back, especially since I was a kid then, so I might
have bothered me more if it happened when I was an adult and I related
to Goku as an adult. Yeah, I do feel like it feels sort
of cheap like Goku, like Ash for example from Pokemon, when he goes
through a place he gets like a Chars already gets all this evolved Pokemon,
and he goes a new place and starts over with like week Pokemon, and
it's like, bro, you know, fucking chars are what are you doing?
So it felt a bit like that, like Goku came all this way
and now he has to start over from like a kid and a super saying
rather than you know, Super saying three and all of that. Yeah,
and so when I was watching Geekdom's video, which was pretty interesting, he
talked about how, again I don't know if this was his theories per se
or he did some research on what the writers were thinking, but he mentioned
how they liked this idea, the people who came up with it, because
then they wouldn't have to be like super creative in terms of what are you
gonna do next with power scaling? Like it just it kind of tames that
whole idea of power scaling. Then he has to go back and then he
could possibly like work towards where he was before. So you're not creating anything
necessarily new gives you an excuse to have to go back. But yeah,
he mentioned something else, which was anything about the kid aspect where dragon Ball,
whether it be Dragonball, dragon Ball Z. I'm trying to think,
trying to think if Super does this. I guess Super is a bit different,
but it always has that like kid focus somewhere. So obviously with Goku
and dragon Ball, then you had Got and Trunks and Gohan and Z and
here you have that kid focus to draw like young kids in But my argument
would be you have pants, so if you wanted to make like still have
that kid element to it, Pan could have been that like kid who's in
the show, and you could have had adult Goku. Yeah. The only
thing is I do feel like it would have been weird with adug Goku with
these three because you know, almost we could forgive like, you know,
Goku just feels like he has some kind of responsibilities, although in Dragon Ball
Super And they just avoid it, and it would be weird to see him,
like an adult form traveling with these guys. I don't know why.
In my head that would just seem weird. Yeah, like he might he'd
rather you know, be traveling with Bajeta maybe like in Dragon Ball Super.
Well yeah, something like that, rather than with these two kids. Right,
well, that's what I was thinking. Like, obviously Super wasn't created,
so maybe the thought process at the time could have been because they are
exploring space and that is a thing in Super so they keep to that idea
in Super. So maybe they could have had like adult Goku. Vegeta Pan
could have came so you get like and Gohan or whatever. The Gohan character,
right and then obviously the mission, like the objectives would change because it's
not Goku as a kid anymore. But maybe it's something like it's Super related
where they got to go to another planet. So I think they could have
had that element of like Goku and Vegeta, you know, being important people
like in Super, and then you could have pan they're trying to also learn
to be a good fighter. That could have maybe been an interesting approach compared
to what they did. You killed the rivalry between Goku and Magina when like
Goku becomes a kid, right like, oh, absolutely would kick his ass
right now, hopefully, And maybe maybe that was the reason with like Super,
maybe they noticed I know they didn't do like a Mama for this,
but maybe they noticed the backlash with making him a kid, and they're like,
yeah, the fans are speaking and they're saying like they loved that rivalry
and we shouldn't be doing this ever again. So exactly, it's good.
It's good to see someone like fail with an idea, so like they could
actually be fine tune their own idea and actually do something that responds to what
people hated about this one. And yeah, I'm missing that rivalry of the
strongest right, because there isn't really a rivalry here, right, Trunks and
Goku are just working together. Pan Is just wants to be treated like an
adult. There's no power rivalry. The closest we got to it, which
is why I guess I liked that fight was when he fought that green alien
right, the lead gig guy, and that's the closest we got to a
rivalry, and it was cool and he showed respect and he's like, next
time, I'll beat you, and I'm like, yeah, right, buddy.
But but no, I really enjoyed that sense of rivalry in Dragon Ball.
I noticed that, and this just doesn't have it, which which is
missing. You know, it feels like a different series without that rivalry going
on there, whether you know in Dragon Balls with krillin then Ten, then
Vegeta. Eventually now it's just no rivalry and you're not going to have it
unless another character like Vegeta like makes an appearance, because they're just even though
Goku has reverted back significantly, there's still there's there's no comparing Goku to Trunks
into Pan, like they're all very different in terms of their tears, so
Yeah, it's just it's weird and like something else that was kind of disappointing
I would say as well, is Goku just seems a lot more naive in
his fighting. Obviously a kid, right, but still like when he was
a kid in Dragon Ball and has he developed and he still has the mind
for it, Like his body might be different, but he should still have
the mind. Like he was a lot more sharp in his moves and what
he was doing in here. If there's one part where like there's a flame
that hits him in the ass and he's kind of like jumping around like almost
like Mario gets hit, Like that could almost like still happen, honestly,
you know, because even in Dragon Ball Super, you'll have those stand out
moments and they contrast to like epic moments where he's going like full force.
But you still always have from Goku, um those moments where he just acts
silly and he's like, oh that hurts, like someone threw a rock at
him and it hit him and it hurt him, right, Like, no
matter how strong Goku gets, like, you still have those moments sometimes.
Yeah, I just think it's a little too over the top. Over the
top this time yeah. I mean he's right, he's always childish, and
maybe it's a bit too much having him actually become a child again, because
even as an adult, he's very childish, right, And it's not a
bad thing. It keeps the sense of fun and adventure alive. Yeah,
and it just showcases how immature he is when like he's a kid and he's
acting like a kid, but he's actually an adult. Like again when pants
like why do you take your clothes off when you go into the water,
He's like, why wouldn't you? It's fun? Yeah, but I mean
he do that as an adult. He just doesn't care about Like yeah,
he's like, fuck you, I'm not going. He doesn't know it's weird
to be naked, right, Like it's the human body in front of your
granddaughter. I just feel I just feel bad for Chee Cheet, that Chee
cheet, Like what's she gonna do now? Right? Like her husband is
like a five year old kid or something. I don't even know how old
Gok was supposed to be here. I could try looking it up, but
yeah, like she must feel bad. Well, she wasn't even with him,
right, wasn't he still training with That's true? Too. It's like
she has to wait for him to train a rand him dude from her perspective,
and then right when he's supposed to come back, he turns into a
kid. Yeah, and like he doesn't even really know the granddaughter because when
they meet at the beginning. Yeah, that's surprised. That's getting kind of
reacquainted, which is is kind of funny. But did you get like Chee
Chee vibes from Pan because I totally got them. Yeah, like her look
wise, I kind of get a Adell vibe, but definitely Yeah, both
Adell and early Adell, dragon Ball z Vedel and Chee Chee are similar.
Dragon Ball super Videl becomes much more of like a conventional mom. I've noticed
that change. Yeah, m Yeah, they're trying to find his age,
yeah, and I wish Google would just tell me rather than rather than me
having to look for it, Like could they just tell me chronologically? But
it's forty forty two and charnologically forty nine? Yeah, but he was he
was young here, and Pan was supposed to be um I think in the
Japanese only five years past, yeah, rather than ten, so she would
be like Pan would be ten here in the Japanese. I think they made
her like fourteen in the in the dub um but yeah, and the Japanese
if she was ten, if I read that correctly, then Goku is younger
than her, so he'd be like younger than ten. So it's crazy to
think how young he is. And she just to put up with that shit,
I know, but yeah, she probably gave up. She just she
probably acts like she doesn't have a husband at this point because like you notice
what she I know they've all aged, but even the brief like cameo of
Chee Chee in the first episode, she looks like she's aged difficultly, just
because yeah, I noticed that, And I think you'll get that with a
lot of the characters here, like especially non Sansum, like you have,
you have aging. I think in Boma. I don't know if you notice,
but I think Boma will even have more wrinkles than she has in Dragon
Ball Super and Super. I think they've kind of made her still be pretty
young. And this is more time after Super, but still, and who's
bald Hercules bald? Right? Yeah, yeah, he's just bald in space
with a jet pack. So yeah, they definitely want to show the passage
of time here with some of the characters, I mean, interesting concept.
Then we'll see where this goes. Yeah, I do think it's gonna be
better. Like I you know, I was positive about this stuff that,
like I said, there was some stuff that blended together, and then like
you know, you lose track of the hype. I guess is the best
way to say it. And then you have to kind of go through and
get to part two, like more the highlights. But I think overall,
as arcs go, the next one will be better because we have that stuff
we loved in Dragon Ball Z, which is a main villain Goku hopefully having
to get stronger to actually fight him and stuff like that. So not one
hundred percent sure, don't remember everything perfectly, but I do want to say,
we're gonna be watching next Baby Saga. We're gonna break it down to
episodes seventeen to thirty did we say thirty three? Yeah, thirty three episode
seventeen to thirty three, and so it's not finishing the Baby Saga, but
after that we're gonna finish the Baby Saga plus due to Super seventeen Saga,
which is only like seven episodes, so and then we only have Shadow Dragon
Saga after that, which we could do in one episode. So after this
there are only three dragon Ball GT Virgins episodes to do, so it's not
gonna be long. And then we're gonna have watched dragon Ball GT even which
is like cool to think about any clothe seeing remarks Ray No. Just excited
for the journey, even though it's going to be a short one with GT.
And again, I won't pass crazy amount of judgment I'm open for because
it's more Dragon Ball content. Obviously, I'm appreciative because I got introduced to
the show and it's been a great show getting into. So I'm just going
to be open to the content and see where it goes from here. Yeah.
Perfect, Thanks everybody for tuning into another episode of the dragon Ball Virgin.
We've come a long way and now we've come to some people's most hated
series, some people's very underrated series. Can't wait to see where it goes,
can't wait to see where it ends, the pinnacle that Goku reaches,
and until next time, see us Space Cowboys.