1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,440 What up everyone, Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin. Right now, 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,599 we are starting to drag Ball GT Virgin because we just caught up to the 3 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:11,599 latest chapter of dragon Ball Super in the last episode. We are doing this 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:17,640 on rand Cafe on the rand Cafe Twitch channel while we're taking a break from 5 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:22,000 Anime Virgin as Briggs takes some you know, normal human time off. We're 6 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:27,239 just going to keep going and doing some dragon Ball Virgin episodes in the meantime. 7 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:34,200 So we have very exciting episode today because, like you know, any 8 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:38,679 dragon Ball fan will hear about GT here, whispers about it like you know 9 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:43,600 horror stories, and finally we're going to get into it. I definitely watched 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,960 some episodes out of order as a kid, so like there is some nostalgia 11 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:53,479 for me there, but I've never actually watched it from start to finish like 12 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,280 this, so that's gonna be a new experience for me. And of course, 13 00:00:56,679 --> 00:01:00,359 Ray, the dragon Ball Virgin who's with me today has never ever seen 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,920 dragon Ball GT. So what up? Right? What up? Yeah? 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,040 I was gonna say, I was having a conversation from someone. Yes, 16 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:11,000 yeah, wait, we want like sorry, the thumbnails off, let me 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,760 just switch to the thumbnail. But yeah, keep keep going, keep going. 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,480 That's a twitch problem for the podcast listeners. I was gonna say, 19 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:23,519 Um, I was having a conversation with someone yesterday who has watched UM dragon 20 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:30,280 Ball Z caught up with the manga chapters, and he even said he's only 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,560 seen like a couple of GT episodes. So I feel like a lot of 22 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,480 fans are like at least casual viewers of dragon Ball, like they don't really 23 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:44,400 get the GT. So we're doing something I think like that doesn't that isn't 24 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:47,959 done too often, like focusing on GT. So I'm excited to at least 25 00:01:47,959 --> 00:01:53,480 talk about that. And yeah, I mean I definitely have, um, 26 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,799 you know, perspective on it so far. We'll just I just leave it 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,920 up, you know what. I think it's interesting. By the way, 28 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:05,840 what up mister Bowers sells Hell? Yeah, nice surprise with Draging Ball Virgin. 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,280 Yeah, drag Ball Virgin on Mondays instead of anime version until Briggs gets 30 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,520 back. Um. Yeah, I thought this would be an interesting one for 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:21,080 you because you said the Trunks is your favorite character, right and here Trunks. 32 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,319 Yeah, but this guy's kind of the same age as future Trunks. 33 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,360 So I was wondering how you'd how you'd feel about that. I mean, 34 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:36,080 again, it's not Future Trunks, and he comes with his own backstory and 35 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,479 he's been through a lot of shit and and this with a sword and everything. 36 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,879 Like him as a character. I really like this Trunks. I didn't 37 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,960 really like Okay, yeah, you think he's more spoiled than necessarily like Future. 38 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,719 He works like this corporate job yeah at the beginning, and yeah, 39 00:02:55,719 --> 00:03:01,000 fuck corporate jobs. Yeah, Like, I'm just I don't know, how 40 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:07,360 could you compare someone who works corporate jobs to someone who bravels across like time 41 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,520 periods. Yeah, and is from like apocalyptic future where he has to fight 42 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:15,759 androids to survive. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of an anti climactic in 43 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,080 that sense for sure. And no, you're right, I mean this guy 44 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,639 had but Jada the whole time to kind of protect him, right, he 45 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,400 didn't have to Yeah grow close. His clothes too, I think are very 46 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:30,719 I will say that I like the retro clothing, and maybe it wasn't retro 47 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,000 at the time, but I like the bandanas, Like I like the usage 48 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,960 of bandanas, So I like, um the fact that Trunks uses it. 49 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,800 And I think Pan has a cool esthetic with her with her clothing and her 50 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:49,080 bandana as well. Yeah, Pam not so I'm fine with like what she 51 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:51,800 wears. I just want to get a picture here of what he looks like. 52 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:55,840 Yeah, he's wearing like these kind of cargo shorts and this black undershirt 53 00:03:55,879 --> 00:04:00,479 with this like not a trench crow. Go wrong with a black under shirt, 54 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,319 to be fair. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm just used 55 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:11,120 to seeing future Trunks and in the cool saying armor and oh yeah, I 56 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,480 mean saying armor is hard to compete with for sure. Yeah, so yeah, 57 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:20,199 I agree that. I just do want to say that I don't know 58 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,319 why bandanas were always cool to me when you was like on around the neck 59 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:29,920 or whatever and stuff like that. So I used to draw as a kid, 60 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:32,560 and obviously inspired by drawing a ball and stuff like that, and I 61 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:38,199 just like drawing with my friends, and for some reason I always like that 62 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,680 bandanas, the characters like Android seventeen and like Trunks has here, It was 63 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,600 always a cool luck to me. But maybe that's just the personal thing. 64 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Yeah, No, I'm just as we're speaking, I'm googling pictures of Trunks 65 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:55,480 and I forgot even the capsule corpse like outfit he wore was really really cool 66 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,519 Future Trunks And then a picture just came up with Trunks in the corporate suit. 67 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,800 Yeah, and it's like a kind of like a greenish suit and it's 68 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,720 just so ugly. He has like the vest on two, he had glasses. 69 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 It just makes him look so uncool. But whatever, I mean, 70 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,160 I wasn't expecting Future Trunks to come. He's already living in you know, 71 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,839 we talked about how he's already off there. Course he wasn't. He wasn't 72 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:23,759 going to come back, right, but yeah, exactly that would be weird 73 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,959 replacing his old self or whatever. Um. I do want to say, 74 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,600 Sam says Pan looks cool, so cool, which I agree with, but 75 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,360 his underwhelming performance wise, and that was a takeaway for me too. I 76 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:41,519 sort of wish Pan was strong. I feel like she has the jeans to 77 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,079 go super say. I mean, it's early in the series. Obviously, 78 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:48,560 we just watched her first sixteen episodes the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga, and 79 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:54,879 then next is Baby Saga, which I'm hyped about. Um. But yeah, 80 00:05:55,439 --> 00:06:00,480 so that's something that we have to look forward to seeing her our wise, 81 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,600 But so far, it's it's been her lagging behind Trunks and Goku, 82 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,720 which makes sense, but yeah, powers a whole other thing we gotta get 83 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,920 into, because why is Goku only going super? Sayan right, like, 84 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,920 yeah, was that a kid part of it? Yeah? I just okay, 85 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,360 keep going. Yeah, I was going to say, because that's what 86 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:25,720 frustrated me as well, Like when he ended up and we could get into 87 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:28,759 the story itself and then talk about it, but like when he ends up 88 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,800 turning into a kid, it frustrated me because nowhere did it specify like the 89 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:41,319 powers would be reduced. It's very obvious that, like the powers are reduced, 90 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:44,639 because I thought it'd be pretty cool to see him at his regular power 91 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,040 as a kid, even though we could talk about, like we even like 92 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,319 the idea of him becoming a kid, but I thought like it was just 93 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:55,600 something a little bit different. Yeah, the fact that he's like he's definitely 94 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:02,240 power scaled back significantly is disappointing. So that was just I mean, that's 95 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,879 what I think it appears at he's power scale back. Am I incorrected saying 96 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:11,040 that no, because I think they implied that with the fact that he was 97 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:14,319 struggling and he didn't go beyond Super said maybe he'll unlock it later, I 98 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,720 don't know, but so far he's definitely been struggling. And also his instant 99 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:25,079 transmission like is there tel rotation is not working as it should, which also 100 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 implies to me that like, he doesn't have the same power he once did. 101 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,000 But we need to talk about Pelf. People are talking to chat about 102 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:38,079 the Pee Loft Gang. Bro your favorite gang returns once again, Like you 103 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,040 can't escape them no matter what. Why does this happen? Why do they 104 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:46,839 want to make them relevant all the time, even when I could just picture 105 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:50,959 them seeing them old here right though, because in the dragon Ball super I 106 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:59,360 guess they wished for youth or just definitely my did, right, But here 107 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:03,360 you have them as like super old. So it's it's weird seeing them like 108 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:09,560 that. Yeah, but I'm just thinking, like they're just sitting around the 109 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 table and thinking, Yo, what Pelf. We haven't thought of him in 110 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,399 a while, we haven't used him in a while. Let's make him relevant 111 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:18,000 again and bring him back to the started GT Like just what an awful idea. 112 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:24,240 But he is important to the plot because we learned in the first episode 113 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:31,439 that he gets ahold of the Black Star Dragon Balls, which is new we 114 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,159 haven't run into the black Star. Dragon's an interesting idea, maybe like ripping 115 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,759 off a bit too much the other dragon Balls, but it's an interesting idea 116 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,320 because it has this like dragon Balls, but like this dark twist, like 117 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:50,320 and like, you know, there's perhaps a darker vibe going for that because 118 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,679 it is childish. But maybe it's just the colors they used in like the 119 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:58,679 nineties, but this looks like a darker atmosphere than normal dragon Ball, you 120 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,799 know, like not storytelling wise maybe, but like just the whole atmosphere, 121 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:09,080 the color palette that they're using, it seems like a darker series. Yeah, 122 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,279 I would agree. Yeah, and even um, did you have you 123 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,080 ever heard of the English like the dub theme song, the one they played 124 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,600 in Canada. I think it's like a rap I like, No. I 125 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,919 listened to the one on Funimation whatever that is, and it feels less like 126 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,159 a rap more like a song song by like a w It's definitely not that's 127 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:31,759 not the one. I like it, though. I do want to say 128 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:37,039 I like the both the intro and the outro songs. Um. They're not 129 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,919 like rock Dragon Dragon Like, they're not an epic, but I like them. 130 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,000 They're really like I don't know if you know the word for it, 131 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,919 but there's low fi like chill music. You know, it just feels like 132 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,480 something, you know, I could really like chill with. There's another one. 133 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,159 I could send it to you later, and it's a rap. It's 134 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:03,240 like um stepping to the Grand Tour, Grand to a Grand Tour or Dragon 135 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,799 Ball GT something like that. Yeah, and it is like, yeah, 136 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,080 it's it's like you talked about, darker like again, it's just a bit 137 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,039 more like Edgier compared to dragon Ball, where we're used to the uh you 138 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,960 know, like that savatada blah blah. So yeah, it does have a 139 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,799 bit of a darker like, I don't know, dark ness. I don't 140 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,679 want to say if it's a tone to it, but it does seem a 141 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,360 little bit more like Edgier, if that's even the right word. Then dragon 142 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Ball because obviously, I mean right when I started watching GT, I definitely 143 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:41,440 got dragon Ball vibes. And I don't think I'm the only one. It's 144 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,399 adventure story, yeah, because it goes back, especially this arc, I 145 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,559 feel like it's not gonna be that way because just looking at the arc titles, 146 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:52,919 which I don't think is a big spoiler. It looks like we're gonna 147 00:10:52,960 --> 00:11:00,879 move to the bad guy per like Badass bad Guy per arc kind of formula. 148 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,480 But this definitely started more like the first season of dragon Ball, where 149 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:11,519 you have that adventure aspect to it, which, um, I am looking 150 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:18,000 forward to the hype bad Guys portions, but actually enjoyed this. Some parts 151 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:22,759 weren't as good as others, obviously, but I enjoyed the adventure aspect. 152 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,440 It's except you know, just like dragon Ball where he actually explores the world. 153 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,720 Here they're exploring space which is unlimited, and they can get really creative 154 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:37,240 with it, which I think they do. They have they have fun with 155 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,799 it. Um. I do think it's going to get better. But so 156 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:46,240 far it's been it's been interesting. Yeah that's a good attribute us interesting. 157 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,919 But yeah, it's been like it's creative, I guess is why to say 158 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:56,240 it? Yeah, no, I totally get it. And you definitely get 159 00:11:56,279 --> 00:12:01,480 that kind of old gang vibe with Goku being a kid again, hands and 160 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,879 kind of the place of Boma, and it's kind of, I don't know, 161 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,159 maybe a mix between Yamatre and krillin in a way like just that other 162 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:13,399 friends A long how dare you do Trunks like that, bro? But you're 163 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,159 right, Trunks is not as badass here sold her or not in terms of 164 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,639 like powers, but in terms of just his role, like he's I think 165 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:28,200 guy who's more neutral or you know, he's maybe the voice of reasons sometimes 166 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,919 when Goku is being too childish. Yeah, um, Pan, Yeah, 167 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,080 I also had that thought that Pan is like Boma, Boma was stronger, 168 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:43,440 right, Yeah, because Boma was hopelessly weak. Um in Dragon Ball, 169 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:48,559 Pan seems to be able to you know, hold her own sometimes. Uh, 170 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,000 she can fly, you know, she has that sad blood, but 171 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,000 she's also been definitely the weakest of the three, and that's constantly shown with 172 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:58,679 the fact that they're like, oh, don't bother Trunks, he's doing work. 173 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,480 They're constantly treating her like a child, right, And it's funny how 174 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:05,480 they had that whole conversation jumping ahead of it, but they had that whole 175 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,039 conversation of whether Pan should continue to join them on their journey, and Trunks 176 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:13,440 at first didn't think so goquiz like staying out of it, like he doesn't 177 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,759 give a fuck, And then Trunks is finally like, I'm sorry, Pan, 178 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:18,159 like you're part of the team. We can't do it without you, 179 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,639 like one of us is not here, all of us are not here kind 180 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:28,240 of thing, and that that was interesting and good for the story, I 181 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,519 guess, and it was like hype for Pan, but at the same time 182 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,480 that was not the mature thing to do, to just like keep Pan in 183 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,519 the group. But yeah, I mean it's like it's a cartoon, right, 184 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:41,159 it's an anime, so and you're gonna watch them. And when you 185 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:45,159 say cartoon, because like some people are just fucking anime, don't compare to 186 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,080 two. But like, yeah, it's animation and that's something else too, 187 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:54,000 Like unlike the other like in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball's Eve, where we 188 00:13:54,080 --> 00:14:00,639 have the different storylines storylines going on at the same time. Here they end 189 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,639 up getting blasted off in that spaceship, and no one seems too concerned about 190 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,039 Pan being in that spaceship. Like it's like, here's this I know she's 191 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,360 strong, right, she's not a normal girl, but like here's this young 192 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,360 girl just going into this situation where she's going to outer space, and like 193 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,440 no one's really freaking out as much as I thought, which is kind of 194 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,840 weird. But the other interesting dynamic I found was Goku and Pan because obviously 195 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,759 she's calling this young kid Grandpa, which is pretty funny. But then there's 196 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:41,120 other times where like she's being a more mature parent to that guru robot like 197 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,200 in terms of discipline than Goku, and there's times where he's like taking his 198 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:48,360 clothes off and getting naked because of course that's what Goku does in front of 199 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,320 her. And I just thought, like, yeah, the dynamic there is 200 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:56,159 no there was, there was some. There was some weird moments here too, 201 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,799 like that guy who that weird villain who treated Pan like as a doll 202 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,519 as like his they'll talk they'll talkie or something. Yeah. Yeah, um, 203 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:11,919 that guy was super weird. Right, Oh so you had you had 204 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,879 some weird moments around Pan for sure. Yeah. But ye see what the 205 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:22,919 exact name was, doll Talkie Yeah yeah talk yeah yeah, Like I was 206 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:30,000 like the creepiest dude like so far had um And one of the questions was 207 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:33,519 that we could get to eventually, which was your favorite villain so far? 208 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:37,600 Doll Talkie is not him. I don't know who it is, but it's 209 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:43,360 not doll talking At first, I thought it was gonna be the Cardinal I 210 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,519 think it's moochie mooch or something like that at first, and then he turned 211 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:54,120 out to be very uncool, So, um, I don't know, he's 212 00:15:54,200 --> 00:16:00,759 someone who wasn't really my favorite. I don't know favorite was do you say 213 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:07,720 that Lord Lude Like I guess he would be so like the good okay, 214 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:14,679 the guy who who was putting people or do you mean the doctor or do 215 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,399 you mean the guy that was just a doctor? The guy it was like 216 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:22,799 that robot thing that had to sell in it, that was that was created 217 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,320 by doctor MoU. Yeah, and that that wasn't my favorite villain, just 218 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,960 because I don't know. It was a like it was an interesting dynamic where 219 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:34,000 they couldn't just overpower it. There was a specific way to defeat it, 220 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:38,360 which is like which the guy kind of have to use to keep things interesting 221 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,120 and to keep paying relevant, right, So she had to attack from the 222 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:45,039 inside while go qu attacks from the outside at the perfect time. So I 223 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,320 liked that element of it. The story was interesting because it had that little 224 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:55,120 trick they had to perform. But villain wise, I like that first guy 225 00:16:55,159 --> 00:17:00,200 they fought in that first planet. Um, you remember guy the rich guy 226 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,279 was trying to hire, but he's like, I'm not for sale. Yeah, 227 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,160 Um, what's his name? I think I have written I know who 228 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,839 you mean? That's your favorite villain so far? Yeah, because we don't 229 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,480 have a lot of options. Name is don't like, it's not Donkey, 230 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:22,839 but it's something similar, like Donkey or something like that. Donkey. Yeah. 231 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,160 No, I really liked him actually because at that point, Um, 232 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,279 up to that point, yeah, Donkey, I think, oh no, 233 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:37,920 Donkey is the lead led gig or legic or something like that. That's the 234 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,400 fighter, that's the guy he Donkey was trying to hire. I never put 235 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,079 that together that that sounds like Donkey. That's actually hilarious. But no, 236 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,119 I really liked that dude because he knew they were sayings and you could tell 237 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,799 he was like a threat, and he didn't end up being like an actual 238 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,720 big threat. But I just when they started fighting, Goku and him and 239 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:00,720 Goku and Super said, it was the first time in Dragon Ball GT that 240 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:07,440 I had those like epic battle vibes so far, right, So I look 241 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,720 forward to seeing I look forward seeing that fight. It wasn't crazy or anything, 242 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,519 and I think we're gonna get better fights as we go on. But 243 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,839 he just seemed like a respectable dude. He wasn't like a douchebag. He 244 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,400 was just like an antagonist that they had to fight, and an interesting one 245 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:29,000 in my view, and it was I really enjoyed that fight. But obviously 246 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:33,240 he wasn't the strongest opponent so far, because that lead robot was stronger. 247 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:40,799 Yeah. I guess something that I didn't like as much was just there were 248 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:45,039 some episodes that seemed irrelevant, like just having an episode for the sake of 249 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:51,079 having it. Like I'm thinking of Zoonoma. He was that big monster who 250 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,119 took trunks. Thought he was like the girl. Yeah, I think it 251 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,839 was like a couple of lended into each other. But I feel like that 252 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:04,359 is an homage and a shout out to original Dragon Ball, which had those 253 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,680 stories. I remember the rabbit that turn people at the carrots that you weren't 254 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:17,440 crazy about, or like the b episode if you remember. I actually I 255 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,359 actually kind of like that, not from like a great storytelling perspective, but 256 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,079 just like interesting Alice in Wonderland kind of story where they have to help the 257 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:33,119 giant and the perspective of being smaller than everything in the world. I thought 258 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,799 that was creative. It was interesting how they dealt with they tried to deal 259 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:44,759 with like some actual socio political stuff when they were talking about the taxes with 260 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,559 Donkey and how people are you know, the tax they pay, they can't 261 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,039 pay it, and then the house gets taken and Goku actually becomes like this, 262 00:19:52,960 --> 00:20:00,240 uh fighter for the downtrodden. So that was you know U. Yeah, 263 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,319 they got really creative with it, and yeah, you're right, some 264 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,880 of it just doesn't stand out and they blend in together. But it recreated 265 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,960 that adventurous feeling of not knowing what's going to happen next, not knowing what 266 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:18,839 kind of world they're going to enter next. And I enjoyed that. Yeah, 267 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,759 And I think that's why so many people are critical of GT. It 268 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:26,319 seems is that obviously Dragon Ball is more of that adventure story, and then 269 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,559 as you go on, it gets more into the fight and then z is 270 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:36,119 strictly fights, hyping up those fights, go back to the adventure stuff, 271 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:41,440 and it's kind of like you're built up to have this show that has these 272 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:47,319 hyped fight power scaling and it just reverts back to this this older kind of 273 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,440 way of telling stories. And I think that's why a lot of people exactually 274 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:56,640 disappointed. I was going to say, that's why what maybe would have been 275 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,480 I don't know if it was more interesting, but maybe could have worked more 276 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,200 like people would have Baby been a bit more accepting. Is if GT was 277 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:12,319 like the time period between when Goku is like a child and when he gets 278 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,640 older. I know that's more like the dragon Ball It's not quite between dragon 279 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Ball and dragon Ball Z. It's still in dragon Ball, but maybe that 280 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,279 way, it's like has that adventure trope still running through it and it's kind 281 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,000 of associated with dragon Ball. But I think that's why, like you get 282 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,960 like, people don't want that really anymore, and people maybe when they were 283 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,880 younger they liked dragon Ball, and then as they got older they liked more 284 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,640 of the fights, and then this older audience is not getting what they want. 285 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:45,400 So I think, or look at that criticism, I get that because 286 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,359 yeah, you these aren't dragon Ball fans moving on to Dragon Ball GT. 287 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,240 This is dragon Ball Z fans who have been prime for a certain kind of 288 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:59,880 series. And then to almost feel like Goku was regressing, the story's regressing 289 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,440 like an old format that is no longer what people were necessarily looking for. 290 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,519 I can feel like how some people would would not be happy about that because 291 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:15,119 we although I don't think every story needs this, with Dragon Ball and Dragon 292 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,839 Ball Z, it's about Goku getting stronger and fighting stronger villains. That's just 293 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:23,240 what the show is. And so when he becomes weaker and he has to 294 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,279 fight weaker villains, and we watched sixteen episodes, right, and I don't 295 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:33,720 think we fought we've Goku hasn't reached close to the level he's reaching dragon Ball 296 00:22:33,839 --> 00:22:38,160 Z. So yeah, that could be frustrating for people, like watching sixteen 297 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,480 episodes and still not seeing Goku step it up compared to Dragon Ball Z. 298 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:48,359 And yeah, they're just to give people a sense of how much GT has 299 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,640 a bad rep. There are people in the chat being like, oh, 300 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,960 you're watching GT, I'll pray for your souls and stuff like that. There's 301 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,480 also President of the Press says I watched it and wished I never wasted my 302 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,359 time. But honestly, there are parts that I know about that Ray doesn't 303 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,039 know about that I'm super hyped to get to. And when I saw it, 304 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,960 I needed to get the cassettes, remember cassettes. I had to get 305 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,440 the four episode special cassette of that moment. So I think there will be 306 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:25,000 a lot of cool highlights in GT. And they're even articles where you could 307 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,119 degree or disagree with some stuff that, like dragon Ball, GT did better 308 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,319 in dragon Ball Super Obviously, I don't think it's a better series as a 309 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:36,000 whole, but but I think it does have some cool moments. And I 310 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,440 still remember me and my friends being hyped about certain things that were happening in 311 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:44,160 it while we were we were growing up, so that was really cool. 312 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,160 And I'm wondering if we're going to get like other characters coming in. It 313 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,960 was funny to see Vegeta there with the mustache, horrible haircut. Yeah, 314 00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:00,720 me and me and Ray were just walking and he brought up rout of Vegeta. 315 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,839 I just gonna help a laugh. Man like is going to be relevant 316 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,880 in this story because he doesn't seem too interested. Actually, that'll be a 317 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,119 super interesting thing to keep a close eye on. I don't want to spoil 318 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,839 it for you, right, I don't want to say, should I say? 319 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,000 I won't say. I won't say because I want to see, like 320 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:25,119 how you're going to to react to this, like arc by arc, and 321 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:30,359 I kind of want to see how you feel about this vegeta versus Dragon Ball 322 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,680 super Vegeta. I think that would be interesting. So I'm not gonna I'm 323 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,319 not gonna spoil it, but I'll just say he does play a bigger role 324 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,759 in the future than he does now. But um, that's it. I 325 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:47,240 also want to play a big role. Actually I don't remember, but but 326 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:49,640 that's a good question. That's a good question. I do want to say. 327 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:55,680 Ryle Yarkum asked a while ago, Hi, who is better Boma or 328 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,920 Android eighteen? I just want to answer obviously, Android eighteen Ultimate sellers right, 329 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,880 eighteen is best girl. She's She's amazing. Krellin really hit the jackpot 330 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:10,960 there. Speaking of um Android, I think it was doctor Meu. He 331 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:15,720 was the guy who created or put that cell into I think it was one 332 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:22,160 of his cells or something into the lord Lewd robot. Did you get android 333 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,000 vibes? In terms? Remember that older Android that was there? Um, 334 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,000 I forget which one it was. It was like the less relevant one, 335 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:34,799 the old man one who goes into the city and starts destroying um things he's 336 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,599 with, like the other kind of fatter one that was like a mine. 337 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:45,319 Oh yeah, do you mean? Yeah? Now I'm trying to thinking of. 338 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,839 So you're thinking about from dragon Ball what do you think about from what 339 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,359 series? Well, I'm just saying like he just reminded me of him, 340 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:59,240 like Dragon Ball Z from an esthetic point of view. H Yeah, I 341 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,519 guess it would have been. I noticed that immediately. Yeah, so you 342 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,599 definitely have that android's idea because some people would be like, why the fuck 343 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,519 is he fighting robots? But that's nothing new, right with the androids and 344 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,440 stuff like that. Yeah, it is doctor Jarau. Um. Yeah, 345 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,400 No, that's definitely a throwback to him. So it's interesting to see what 346 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:22,960 kind of new creations that guy will come up with because he's clearly relevant and 347 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,200 he clearly isn't dead, so we'll see, like what else he can come 348 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:33,799 up with. Um. Yeah, like there was there was a lot of 349 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:40,160 cool aspects to this adventure stuff. But I'm looking forward to getting to the 350 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:45,839 Baby saga, which I think I remember some stuff about Baby, Um, 351 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,960 I don't remember clearly what's gonna happen, So that'll be interesting for me. 352 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,519 I'm this next dark is getting my nostalgic nostalgic vibes going, and I'm actually 353 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,440 super excited for the first time see all of the baby stuff all of the 354 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:07,240 stuff afterwards, and yeah, so what are your thoughts This is a really 355 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,920 important question. What are your thoughts on those three brothers dancing brothers. I 356 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:18,000 called them the less cool gain you for us, like yeah, but with 357 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480 no sort of Yeah. I again, a lot of this stuff, A 358 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,559 lot of stuff feels like throwbacks to uh the series dragon Ball and dragon Ball 359 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,200 Z. And yeah, those guys were definitely like I want to begin you 360 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:36,480 for us for sure, with with less power. But they were interesting. 361 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,039 They had some interesting abilities that came in handy. They did make me crack 362 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,759 up sometimes. You know, you have to be in the mood to laugh, 363 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:45,240 like you know, you're not gonna be pissed, and they're gonna make 364 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,000 me laugh. But I was in the right mood and did. They cracked 365 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,440 me up a bit at times with the fact that they said they had to 366 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,440 sing to be telepathic. And I like the fact that they turned out to 367 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:02,119 be friends rather than posed. After that, I just thought it was so 368 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,519 drawn out, like especially when they're they first encounter Trunks and Goku and Pan 369 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,160 and they do the dancing and they're dancing with them like they're forced to dance 370 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,400 there. They can't control their bodies, and I'm like, man, like, 371 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,039 how long is this going to go? And then it ends up like 372 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,519 the whole thing gets shut down when that insect comes back and they get scared 373 00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,319 and their suit doesn't work anymore. I'm like, this whole drawn out. 374 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:32,400 It seemed like it was at least five minutes on them dancing and it all 375 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,960 gets shut down based on this like irrelevant insect that comes up and scares them. 376 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,200 I just it was just funny, like the reasoning why you would have 377 00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,000 that, But yeah, I know it's for humor. Yeah, they're the 378 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:47,200 humor guys. Yeah, for sure, there's dragon Ball has always had more 379 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,039 of a humor focus. Dragon Ball Z more of the fighting focus, and 380 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:57,599 here we have like more of the humor being thrown back in which you know, 381 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,480 it's it's different. I do like that dragon Ball Super again through a 382 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:10,920 more humor focus in certain areas. But yeah, I think that's pretty much 383 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,240 all I got unless you want to say something else about the season. Obviously, 384 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,119 what did you think about the GIU betrayal. I'm still not sure what 385 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,680 the fuck's going on with that. Yeah, I mean that did throw me 386 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,000 because, especially in the previous like episode or two, you see that Pants 387 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,920 starting to warm up to it felt like the other way around too, right, 388 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,359 like he was he thought well of her, but now it could be 389 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:41,920 a strategy or something. Yeah, So I mean what I'm thinking is he's 390 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:47,839 going to end up like this was the plan probably all along, and he 391 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,319 decided, like, you know, I have to follow through with it. 392 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,759 But he's starting to warm up to them, and then he's going to end 393 00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:59,799 up doing something that allows them to escape or helps them in the long run, 394 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,319 that being like trunks Pan and Goku. So I think he'll like he'll 395 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,319 end up changing his ways. I think he was just caught in this narrative 396 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,960 that I had to go and I convinced these people to come to the planet, 397 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,799 and then he's going to realize, like, I'm gonna abandon these kind 398 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,519 of roots that I have and save these guys because they're like my only friends. 399 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,160 So I think that's what's going to happen. But yeah, even like 400 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,200 when he goes to the planet and he's seeing the other robots, he thinks 401 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,519 he's so cool and you could tell like he's not that same robot we thought 402 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,160 he was before, but he had like he has to still be relevant because 403 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,880 he has that Dragon Rader in him and that's the whole point of the show. 404 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,640 And they've established that I'm in a dynamic between them four. So honestly, 405 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:48,480 I don't remember what happens here, but I do feel like he should 406 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,359 side with our guys. But we'll see. Because he's on all the posters 407 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,519 and stuff like that, it would be crazy if if they just like he 408 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:00,160 ends up being a trader. I also liked the power of that one dude 409 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,279 who was able to like transform into a bunch of balls and then just like 410 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,000 rain down on them and then tournament too spikes and like reform and trap them. 411 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,599 As far as powers go, that was pretty creative and uh yeah, 412 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,559 I actually enjoyed that power. M yeah, I mean that's that's what it 413 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:26,519 was. There were some like creative ways that different antagonists showed their power, 414 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000 but again, it's just it was way less cool than Dragon Ball Z and 415 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:36,200 even dragon Ball like it. It was less cool when it comes to and 416 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:41,799 I think, I think we should accept that this isn't gonna be better than 417 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,960 dragon Ball or dragon Ball Z or even as good, but just try to 418 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,240 pick out what is good from it, because like I know some people love 419 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,559 shitting on stuff, and we'll like say when we think something is like, 420 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,920 you know, terrible, Um, but I like, I think there's like 421 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,880 so much hate anyways, that might as well try to pick out some good 422 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,440 stuff about him. Well, did we even address what our thoughts are in 423 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:09,240 terms of them deciding to make Goku a kid? Me? Like, what 424 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:17,920 are my thoughts about that? Yeah? I don't. It's hard to even 425 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,319 ask me that because I just know gt is a thing, so like, 426 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,440 I didn't even think about what it must have been like when people initially saw 427 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:30,279 Goku revert back, especially since I was a kid then, so I might 428 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,680 have bothered me more if it happened when I was an adult and I related 429 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,640 to Goku as an adult. Yeah, I do feel like it feels sort 430 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:45,079 of cheap like Goku, like Ash for example from Pokemon, when he goes 431 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,960 through a place he gets like a Chars already gets all this evolved Pokemon, 432 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,880 and he goes a new place and starts over with like week Pokemon, and 433 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,480 it's like, bro, you know, fucking chars are what are you doing? 434 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,240 So it felt a bit like that, like Goku came all this way 435 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:05,400 and now he has to start over from like a kid and a super saying 436 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:09,359 rather than you know, Super saying three and all of that. Yeah, 437 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,240 and so when I was watching Geekdom's video, which was pretty interesting, he 438 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,440 talked about how, again I don't know if this was his theories per se 439 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,119 or he did some research on what the writers were thinking, but he mentioned 440 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,839 how they liked this idea, the people who came up with it, because 441 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,119 then they wouldn't have to be like super creative in terms of what are you 442 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:37,240 gonna do next with power scaling? Like it just it kind of tames that 443 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,440 whole idea of power scaling. Then he has to go back and then he 444 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,960 could possibly like work towards where he was before. So you're not creating anything 445 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,359 necessarily new gives you an excuse to have to go back. But yeah, 446 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,480 he mentioned something else, which was anything about the kid aspect where dragon Ball, 447 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,640 whether it be Dragonball, dragon Ball Z. I'm trying to think, 448 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,400 trying to think if Super does this. I guess Super is a bit different, 449 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:07,039 but it always has that like kid focus somewhere. So obviously with Goku 450 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:13,599 and dragon Ball, then you had Got and Trunks and Gohan and Z and 451 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,639 here you have that kid focus to draw like young kids in But my argument 452 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,800 would be you have pants, so if you wanted to make like still have 453 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,039 that kid element to it, Pan could have been that like kid who's in 454 00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,559 the show, and you could have had adult Goku. Yeah. The only 455 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,679 thing is I do feel like it would have been weird with adug Goku with 456 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,840 these three because you know, almost we could forgive like, you know, 457 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,280 Goku just feels like he has some kind of responsibilities, although in Dragon Ball 458 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,360 Super And they just avoid it, and it would be weird to see him, 459 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,519 like an adult form traveling with these guys. I don't know why. 460 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,360 In my head that would just seem weird. Yeah, like he might he'd 461 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,199 rather you know, be traveling with Bajeta maybe like in Dragon Ball Super. 462 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,760 Well yeah, something like that, rather than with these two kids. Right, 463 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,280 well, that's what I was thinking. Like, obviously Super wasn't created, 464 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,440 so maybe the thought process at the time could have been because they are 465 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,320 exploring space and that is a thing in Super so they keep to that idea 466 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,280 in Super. So maybe they could have had like adult Goku. Vegeta Pan 467 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,639 could have came so you get like and Gohan or whatever. The Gohan character, 468 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,760 right and then obviously the mission, like the objectives would change because it's 469 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,159 not Goku as a kid anymore. But maybe it's something like it's Super related 470 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,519 where they got to go to another planet. So I think they could have 471 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:44,280 had that element of like Goku and Vegeta, you know, being important people 472 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,559 like in Super, and then you could have pan they're trying to also learn 473 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,960 to be a good fighter. That could have maybe been an interesting approach compared 474 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,320 to what they did. You killed the rivalry between Goku and Magina when like 475 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,280 Goku becomes a kid, right like, oh, absolutely would kick his ass 476 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,599 right now, hopefully, And maybe maybe that was the reason with like Super, 477 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,559 maybe they noticed I know they didn't do like a Mama for this, 478 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:10,159 but maybe they noticed the backlash with making him a kid, and they're like, 479 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,039 yeah, the fans are speaking and they're saying like they loved that rivalry 480 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,639 and we shouldn't be doing this ever again. So exactly, it's good. 481 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,239 It's good to see someone like fail with an idea, so like they could 482 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:30,480 actually be fine tune their own idea and actually do something that responds to what 483 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:36,880 people hated about this one. And yeah, I'm missing that rivalry of the 484 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,039 strongest right, because there isn't really a rivalry here, right, Trunks and 485 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,159 Goku are just working together. Pan Is just wants to be treated like an 486 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,960 adult. There's no power rivalry. The closest we got to it, which 487 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,079 is why I guess I liked that fight was when he fought that green alien 488 00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:57,639 right, the lead gig guy, and that's the closest we got to a 489 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,039 rivalry, and it was cool and he showed respect and he's like, next 490 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,000 time, I'll beat you, and I'm like, yeah, right, buddy. 491 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,599 But but no, I really enjoyed that sense of rivalry in Dragon Ball. 492 00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:15,119 I noticed that, and this just doesn't have it, which which is 493 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:20,280 missing. You know, it feels like a different series without that rivalry going 494 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,519 on there, whether you know in Dragon Balls with krillin then Ten, then 495 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:29,519 Vegeta. Eventually now it's just no rivalry and you're not going to have it 496 00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:35,880 unless another character like Vegeta like makes an appearance, because they're just even though 497 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:42,679 Goku has reverted back significantly, there's still there's there's no comparing Goku to Trunks 498 00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,519 into Pan, like they're all very different in terms of their tears, so 499 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,840 Yeah, it's just it's weird and like something else that was kind of disappointing 500 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,440 I would say as well, is Goku just seems a lot more naive in 501 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,920 his fighting. Obviously a kid, right, but still like when he was 502 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,920 a kid in Dragon Ball and has he developed and he still has the mind 503 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,719 for it, Like his body might be different, but he should still have 504 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,159 the mind. Like he was a lot more sharp in his moves and what 505 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,039 he was doing in here. If there's one part where like there's a flame 506 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:20,239 that hits him in the ass and he's kind of like jumping around like almost 507 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,039 like Mario gets hit, Like that could almost like still happen, honestly, 508 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,760 you know, because even in Dragon Ball Super, you'll have those stand out 509 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,400 moments and they contrast to like epic moments where he's going like full force. 510 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,679 But you still always have from Goku, um those moments where he just acts 511 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,840 silly and he's like, oh that hurts, like someone threw a rock at 512 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,159 him and it hit him and it hurt him, right, Like, no 513 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,679 matter how strong Goku gets, like, you still have those moments sometimes. 514 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,639 Yeah, I just think it's a little too over the top. Over the 515 00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,360 top this time yeah. I mean he's right, he's always childish, and 516 00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:59,920 maybe it's a bit too much having him actually become a child again, because 517 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,079 even as an adult, he's very childish, right, And it's not a 518 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,719 bad thing. It keeps the sense of fun and adventure alive. Yeah, 519 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,719 and it just showcases how immature he is when like he's a kid and he's 520 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,639 acting like a kid, but he's actually an adult. Like again when pants 521 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:17,119 like why do you take your clothes off when you go into the water, 522 00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:20,760 He's like, why wouldn't you? It's fun? Yeah, but I mean 523 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,280 he do that as an adult. He just doesn't care about Like yeah, 524 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,599 he's like, fuck you, I'm not going. He doesn't know it's weird 525 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:30,480 to be naked, right, Like it's the human body in front of your 526 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,239 granddaughter. I just feel I just feel bad for Chee Cheet, that Chee 527 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,760 cheet, Like what's she gonna do now? Right? Like her husband is 528 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:43,840 like a five year old kid or something. I don't even know how old 529 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,280 Gok was supposed to be here. I could try looking it up, but 530 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,480 yeah, like she must feel bad. Well, she wasn't even with him, 531 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,639 right, wasn't he still training with That's true? Too. It's like 532 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,400 she has to wait for him to train a rand him dude from her perspective, 533 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,320 and then right when he's supposed to come back, he turns into a 534 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,159 kid. Yeah, and like he doesn't even really know the granddaughter because when 535 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:13,119 they meet at the beginning. Yeah, that's surprised. That's getting kind of 536 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,000 reacquainted, which is is kind of funny. But did you get like Chee 537 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:22,239 Chee vibes from Pan because I totally got them. Yeah, like her look 538 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:29,000 wise, I kind of get a Adell vibe, but definitely Yeah, both 539 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:34,480 Adell and early Adell, dragon Ball z Vedel and Chee Chee are similar. 540 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:40,000 Dragon Ball super Videl becomes much more of like a conventional mom. I've noticed 541 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:47,320 that change. Yeah, m Yeah, they're trying to find his age, 542 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,639 yeah, and I wish Google would just tell me rather than rather than me 543 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:59,039 having to look for it, Like could they just tell me chronologically? But 544 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:04,519 it's forty forty two and charnologically forty nine? Yeah, but he was he 545 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:07,599 was young here, and Pan was supposed to be um I think in the 546 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:15,599 Japanese only five years past, yeah, rather than ten, so she would 547 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,599 be like Pan would be ten here in the Japanese. I think they made 548 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:23,440 her like fourteen in the in the dub um but yeah, and the Japanese 549 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,039 if she was ten, if I read that correctly, then Goku is younger 550 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,199 than her, so he'd be like younger than ten. So it's crazy to 551 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,119 think how young he is. And she just to put up with that shit, 552 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:37,400 I know, but yeah, she probably gave up. She just she 553 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:43,960 probably acts like she doesn't have a husband at this point because like you notice 554 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,559 what she I know they've all aged, but even the brief like cameo of 555 00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:51,840 Chee Chee in the first episode, she looks like she's aged difficultly, just 556 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,039 because yeah, I noticed that, And I think you'll get that with a 557 00:41:55,039 --> 00:42:00,559 lot of the characters here, like especially non Sansum, like you have, 558 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,880 you have aging. I think in Boma. I don't know if you notice, 559 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,559 but I think Boma will even have more wrinkles than she has in Dragon 560 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,119 Ball Super and Super. I think they've kind of made her still be pretty 561 00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:17,079 young. And this is more time after Super, but still, and who's 562 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,760 bald Hercules bald? Right? Yeah, yeah, he's just bald in space 563 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,239 with a jet pack. So yeah, they definitely want to show the passage 564 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,280 of time here with some of the characters, I mean, interesting concept. 565 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,760 Then we'll see where this goes. Yeah, I do think it's gonna be 566 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,320 better. Like I you know, I was positive about this stuff that, 567 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:43,000 like I said, there was some stuff that blended together, and then like 568 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,679 you know, you lose track of the hype. I guess is the best 569 00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,119 way to say it. And then you have to kind of go through and 570 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,719 get to part two, like more the highlights. But I think overall, 571 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,719 as arcs go, the next one will be better because we have that stuff 572 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:06,159 we loved in Dragon Ball Z, which is a main villain Goku hopefully having 573 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:09,760 to get stronger to actually fight him and stuff like that. So not one 574 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,119 hundred percent sure, don't remember everything perfectly, but I do want to say, 575 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:19,679 we're gonna be watching next Baby Saga. We're gonna break it down to 576 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:27,719 episodes seventeen to thirty did we say thirty three? Yeah, thirty three episode 577 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,559 seventeen to thirty three, and so it's not finishing the Baby Saga, but 578 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:37,480 after that we're gonna finish the Baby Saga plus due to Super seventeen Saga, 579 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:42,639 which is only like seven episodes, so and then we only have Shadow Dragon 580 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,119 Saga after that, which we could do in one episode. So after this 581 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:51,760 there are only three dragon Ball GT Virgins episodes to do, so it's not 582 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,280 gonna be long. And then we're gonna have watched dragon Ball GT even which 583 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:04,760 is like cool to think about any clothe seeing remarks Ray No. Just excited 584 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,719 for the journey, even though it's going to be a short one with GT. 585 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:13,480 And again, I won't pass crazy amount of judgment I'm open for because 586 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,719 it's more Dragon Ball content. Obviously, I'm appreciative because I got introduced to 587 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,639 the show and it's been a great show getting into. So I'm just going 588 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:27,639 to be open to the content and see where it goes from here. Yeah. 589 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,280 Perfect, Thanks everybody for tuning into another episode of the dragon Ball Virgin. 590 00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:37,559 We've come a long way and now we've come to some people's most hated 591 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:43,119 series, some people's very underrated series. Can't wait to see where it goes, 592 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,760 can't wait to see where it ends, the pinnacle that Goku reaches, 593 00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:52,000 and until next time, see us Space Cowboys.