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It's time to talks for its time
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Talk Radio starting now What's Up Everybody
and welcomed episode one hundred and eighty eight

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of Let Me Get That Potograph?
As always, my name is Drew or

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the DH and joining me my co
host mister Scott Rapp before What's good?

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Dude? You know, the usual, same shiit, same shit, different

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day. But you know what I
love? You know what I love about

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this? What's that? We got
a lot of We got a lot of

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news that in Stories of Pop this
week that we're gonna be talking about coming

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up in this episode. But you
know it is well, you know what,

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I just got ahead of myself because
I was gonna say that there's no

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there were no scandals this week,
but there is one semi scan do what's

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that? Um? We'll be talking
about that in the second segment. There

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we go. Um, I wouldn't
call it a full blown wouldn't call it

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a full blown scandal. You know, nobody's with guns, nobody's going bankrupt

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during Knocking down the Ball, Yeah, no no break insh nobody's blaming Trump

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for anything, which is very good. Nobody's blaming me for anything. That's

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great, it's excellent. Well,
it's a business related decision and move.

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So we'll, you know, we'll
get to that. It is scandal light,

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scandal light. I like scandal light. It's like yo or diet scandal.

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Yeah. If I'm you know what, if I'm making a soft drink,

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I'm making a diet scandal. There
you go. And we're just not

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putting super Loose in there because well
of what all that crap. If you

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we're not gonna you know, just
google that and uh find out it's been

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She'll tell you all about it.
Yeah, exactly, super lows bad news.

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So but I'll tell you that's what
make the that's what makes the McDonald's

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diet coke taste better than any other
diet coke. It's the supers. Stay

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away from that ship bad bad news. Well there's your PSA to start today.

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Yeah, exactly, there's my stay
away. Stay away from circul loose.

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You know, it's it's not good
for you. There you go.

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Not that regular sugar is anyway.
I mean, I'm I'm the fat guy

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on the show. It's just kind
of the way it's kind of the way

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it is. Hey, look,
I'm trying to be a trophy husband.

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There you go, right now,
it just happening. I am a trophy

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husband right now. It's just a
participation trophy. Um, so we're just

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gonna leave it at that. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, not

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first place, it's just you know, participation. Well somebody who didn't get

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a participation trophy, but just gotta
it's about to get a whole lot of

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money. I guess we need to
start off there. Um, huge move

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man. We talked about soccer on
last week's show and the soccer market.

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We talked about Benzema going over to
Saudi and my god, did they pay

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that man? And that was yeah, that was finalized the other day.

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First was a six over six hundred
million dollars for a three year contract.

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Yeah. That oil money works great, man. I know it cranks it,

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don't you know. And the funny
like like we're all laughing about this,

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you and I in the in the
text message yesterday with you know,

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the next peat the next big news
that happened like literally hours after that,

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you know, And my comment on
that was the Saudis wiped their asses one

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hundred dollar bills, so they really
don't care about, you know, just

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blowing it on all sorts of crap
like this. No, not at but

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one person. They couldn't get one
person that money. They could not pull

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away even though there was a staggering. The numbers that they pulled out were

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ridiculous. I don't know if any
had been confirmed or anything, but they

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were planning on offering a man a
lot of money, but instead he is

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heading state side to the MLS and
Miami. And that of course is the

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man. Me me, me,
oh, wait all, I'm sorry,

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Messy, my bad, you know, I bad. I was just gonna

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make an announcement that, like I
was gonna go take my talents to South

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Beach and you know, play goal
for interim Alan, but is not happening,

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No, Leonel Messi to Inner Milan. And this is actually the most

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interesting deal out of all this,
and we'll talk about how it relates to

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the hobby shortly. But so not
only is the team paying him, but

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he's also got money coming in as
part of his deal to come over here.

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And then now we should preface it
has not been signed yet. No,

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but Messi did come out and say
that this is where I'm going.

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So now you know, everything that
we talk about is subject to change until

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he signs that contract, right,
But so what what is going on?

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So he's getting a salary from the
team, which mL look, MLS teams

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don't. They're not, you know, flush with cash like the European teams

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are. And I think that's part
of the reason why referees get paid so

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little in the MLS compared to everywhere
else. But part of the deal for

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him coming over here is increased sponsorship
with Adidas. He has a he's getting

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a partial ownership in a team which
is not being subsidized by the league.

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Nope, this is the team saying
hey, here's your you know, once

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you retire, you get like x
percent of inter Milan or sorry not inter

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Milan, inter Miami. Um inter
Milan is playing a couple of days in

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the Champions League finals. Said,
that's where I was started that And this

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is the really interesting part. This
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the one I love. So Apple
TV has the streaming rights for MLS.

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Part of the deal is that MESSI
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all the new subscribers who buy into
MLS's streaming package. Yeah, from the

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debt, from the second that deal
is signed, any new subscribers that are

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done, he is getting a percentage
of That's that's nuts, dude, that

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I don't I don't think that has
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league, with any with anything.
No, he's gonna make so much more

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off of that in the Adidas and
Hip Guild, and he is off his

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actual contract. The back end side
of this. People are gonna look at

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the money when it's finalized, and
it's gonna be big money. Miami does

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have a little more money than most
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they've got the bank roll to spend
it. They want to call him

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the Yankees or anything, but they've
got the bank roll. But he's gonna

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make so much more off of that
Apple TV and off of the Adidas deal.

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I mean, if you saw yesterday
you and I were discussing in text,

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and I'm sure people have seen the
photos. Tickets to games that are

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nineteen dollars are going for over see
you you stole mine and the reason so

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I was looking at Chicago Fire tickets
because I would love to take my son

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to go see Messy play in person. Yeah, inter Milan is coming to

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Chicago October fourth, and I was
looking at the previous game. I think

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there's an international break in there somewhere. But the previous game, which I

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think is August thirtieth, the same
seats we sat in a couple of weeks

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ago were nineteen dollars, and these
were actually they're right on the tunnel where

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players come out, you know,
section one other one oh five great seats

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like you're on a corner or a
great view of the field. The same

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seats for the August thirtieth game nineteen
dollars. But those seats for the game

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against inter Milan on October fourth,
they're up to a thousand dollars. Yes,

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you know that is absolutely insane.
Oh I know, man, I

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went to you know, we don't
have a team here in North Carolina.

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We've got at lanted down close and
we got yeah, you know and everything.

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So I quickly went over and looked
at those tickets and then quickly hit

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the Xbox next to my window and
decided that me and Jude would watch him

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on TV instead. Exactly, you
know who's you know who else besides MESSI

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is gonna make bank on all this. Who's that people who have held season

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tickets for inter Milan. Oh god, I'm sorry, inter Miami. I

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want to count how many times you
mess that up? I guess that's two.

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That's two we're gonna get. If
we were doing video, you'd put

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a counter at the bottom of this
year. So season ticket holders for inter

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Miami who got him at the beginning
of the year, Because honestly, if

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you look at the look at there
were four realistic options for Messi after he

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left PSG Yeah, go back to
Barsa, yeah, go to Saudi Arabia,

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retire and Miami Ye. There was
no other option besides inter Miami with

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the MLS. And of those four
options, I actually, if you would

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ask me thirty days ago, what
I thought like the most likely was versus

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the least likely my number four,
The last option on the list that I

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would have put would be the move
to inter Miami. Oh no, I

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completely agree with you. I mean, there's never I mean, when David

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Beckham came over, it was a
big deal. But this that David Beckham's

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got nothing on MESSI like, this
is this is the biggest I mean,

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I don't even know how this would
be like if Michael Jordan had just decided

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to go play over in Europe in
the middle of his career. Is that

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has stopping and play in baseball for
a little bit. This is enormous.

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This is and here's what I say. Messi coming to play in the MLS

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is the biggest name to come to
American soccer since Pile. Yes, and

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I would argue, and I think
ESPN mentioned this in one of the articles

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yesterday they were they were arguing that
Messi coming here is actually bigger for American

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soccer than Pale coming here because of
social media and the interconnectedness that we all

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have that you did not have in
the seventies. And I agree with that

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because you're because now, I mean
back, if this way, if you

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swap positions in Pile came now,
obviously it'd be you know, it'd be

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a little different. But yes,
you have all of the different methods,

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A for MLS to monetize everything,
for people to be able to see everything

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with social media, the overall just
where we are in the world. Oh

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absolutely, I would. I would
say this is the biggest move for the

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United States in terms of soccer football, whatever you'd like to call it that

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we have ever seen, and I
I'm very curious to see how this plays

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out in the hobby because I already
know the increase in the amount of attention

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on MLS games is going to be
second to nine. I wouldn't I would

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expect more announcements with televised games,
more big games coming outside of just the

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Apple TV streaming. I think that
I think you're probably gonna see that soon

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as every well, I don't know, but that's the thing, so I

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don't know what the outside of Chicago. I have no idea what the television

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deals are with any of the other
teams, but the Chicago Fire games are

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all televised here in Chicago, right, I'm saying, expect a lot of

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like major networks no these games.
No, No, I don't think so.

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Because Apple TV has the streaming rights, yeah, I don't think that

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you wind up seeing It's not like
it's not like a deal where if it

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were on you know, if Disney
Plus had the streaming rights, right,

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yeah, where you'd be seeing you'd
be seeing these games on ESPN or ABC

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yeah yeah, or you know,
Hulu is tied in with NBC in a

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lot of ways where you know you
might see games on either NBC or USA.

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I don't think with Apple having those
stream eret, so you're going to

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see it anywhere other than Apple.
Well, it'll be interesting to watch.

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But let's take let's take it from
the hobby. Well, that's it,

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and that's where I was just about
to go with this. All right,

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So Tops, who has been making
Messi cards for a long time as part

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of Champions League ye products, They're
obviously ecstatic because they don't have to share

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MLS products with anybody. Nope,
here's my question. Now, we know

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that Messi is not going to be
able to sign that new contract until after

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his contract with PSG runs out,
which is July thirtieth. We had a

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product that we mentioned when we did
the release calendar last week that was a

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was not assigned to hard date in
June, it was a TBD date and

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that was Tops MLS Renaissance and that's
fat nice, high end products. Yes,

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now, I'm pretty sure that at
this point in June, if it

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was scheduled for release, that product
is most likely packed out and ready to

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go. I'd be unpacking the boxes. And that's that's where I would go

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with that. Does fanatics delay the
product in order to insert some messy stuff,

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and it would have to be redemptions. Oh yeah, yeah, it

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would have to be redemptions because of
it. Now here's the other question.

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I don't remember seeing messy autos in
the Champions League products. I remember seeing

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Himbope, Naymar was definitely was definitely
in there, but I don't remember MESSI.

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I'm gonna have to look that up
to see if he has a deal,

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because if he had, if he
has an existing deal with Tops for

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autographs, I would not doubt that
we would see them in the MLS products.

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Right. However, if he does
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may not see autographs. That's true. Although here's the other piece. Fanatics

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is based in Florida. Yep,
inner Miami is based in where Miami there?

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Well, I was gonna say Florida
having that, having Fanatics with relatively

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close geographic access to MESSI I think, you know, if they can strike

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some sort of deal, I think
you're gonna wind it. If they don't

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have one already, I think you're
going to see a flood of autograph balls,

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autograph boots, which is what they
call cleats. You know, the

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soccer shoes. In Europe they call
them boots and then obviously cards. So

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if you're fanatics and you and you
have a deal with MESSI already, do

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you pull that product? I don't. I don't know there necessarily pull it

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because, like we said, it's
a very very low printed product. I

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remember saying, I think none of
the cards were over like like one forty

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nine or something total. It's a
very very low print run, high release

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product. I wouldn't be surprised if
they did very similar to what they did

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when F one caught storm a while
back with Dynasty, when they released two

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in the same year. They just
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and they released another one around December, November December, so well.

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Part of that though, was not
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part of it was the first release
was twenty twenty, right, but it

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was released in twenty twenty one.
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which was the twenty twenty one or
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Not I released it within that year, So I think that's that's a

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different situation. This is a brand
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brand new release everything. We don't
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this stuff. They very easily could
pull this product, hold it off till

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Messies dine. I don't see them
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I just I just noticed something though. I don't think they hold this.

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I think they released it on time
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MLS. It's are in the twenty
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justify putting him in a twenty twenty
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on the release calendar, because it
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Tops and Tops Chrome MLI right,
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they may release. If this product
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you know, more of it.
But my you know, obviously Messy being

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the product is going to be huge
for the products that he's in. Yeah,

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but just the fact that he's in
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a lot of the especially the younger
players that you know are have had rookie

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cards within the last couple of years, you know, in addition to the

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guys that have already moved over to
Europe, like Brennan Aronson and you know,

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and the you know and that in
that crowd. But then does that

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also encourage people to stay in the
US to play as opposed to you know,

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obviously the big goal is to you
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in the MLS and then you go, you know, you go over to

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Europe and playing the Premier League,
La Liga or Bundesliga. You know,

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it's a popular destination for a lot
of these guys. You know, does

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it does it make the you know, help with the MLS and the popularity

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and then being able to stay here. That's something that I'm curious to see

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because there's so many good players like
Claudio Rainia and some other players that you

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know, Geo, Geo m Claudia. Claudio's his father who's kind of a

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prick and caused the whole problem with
the world came in the World Cup and

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things. Geo he's there. We've
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that are playing in the MLS that
also you know, are trying to contend

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for the US men's national team.
A lot of other stuff like that.

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I see this, I mean,
it really is going to determine what messy

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do we get Are we going to
get the messy that is determined to play,

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that is playing at the PSG level
where he'd played amazing, even though

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I mean, look, look,
he put up decent numbers, but I

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wouldn't call I wouldn't call it him
amazing. Thirty four goals, thirty five

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assists in seventy some games, okay, almost appointed game. Not bad.

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Now keep in mind though, now
we we in the US, we are

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used to counting assists very highly,
you know, we do it, and

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hockey accounts it points wise the same
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look a sister. Valuable players do
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You know, Kevin de Brune,
biggest cist guy, not as prolific

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of a scorer, but he's playing
his part. Messy. On the other

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hand, even though he's got a
crapload of assists, you're looking to him

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for goals, of course you are, so thirty five seventy some games is

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actually low for him. But you
also got to keep in mind that he

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was playing on a team with you
know, Embope and Nay, and he

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was suspended for a little while.
You know, a lot of issues that

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he was injured for a little while. He you know, took some time

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off after the World Cup. But
I'm really curious to see a like you

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said, the guy's not wanting to
leave the MLS. Yeah, I'm wondering

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if more international players start. Is
this the move that starts to make maybe

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some other international players well, speaking
of other hold on, speaking of other

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international players. A former Barsity teammate
of Messi, Sergio Biscuits, is also

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linked to a potential move to inter
Milan. The two are you know,

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the two are very good friends,
right um. You know, they still

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hang out with each other off off
the pitch, and you know he's,

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you know again, he's up there
in age, he's you know, mid

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thirties. Just look Messi. Yeah, but you know, imagine having those

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two guys on the team. I
don't see him getting the same kind of

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deal that he gets with you know, the messy guy. But you know,

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if he wants to come over here
and win, you know, I

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just I think you I think you
do see a lot of guys come over

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here. But I also think you're
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to Saudi Arabia. No, no, I completely agree with you. There

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the Saudi Arabia stuff that's that's gonna
happen, Like we talked about last week.

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There, they're trying so hard to
build that sports entertainment empire out there,

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of everything that they can do,
I would not be surprised if they

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took that money that they'd planned,
because I think they thought they had Messy.

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I do think Saudi's thought they had
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because we know Barsa wasn't going to
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money necessary because of their financial situation, and so I think Saudi thought that

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they had him, and I think
they're going to use that money, that

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all that money that they didn't get
with him, that they didn't have to

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use on him, on a couple
other players. So I wouldn't be suppressed

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or one major one. So I
would not be surprised to see a lot

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of people head over to Saudi.
But for MLS products, I mean we

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were talking about people that benefit the
most. The store owners and breakers that

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had to buy allocation of MLS products
and were pissed about it, are probably

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very happy now. As you know, coming up into the next year,

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you're going to see these these are
going to skyrocket. When MESSI is finally

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in these l products, they are
going to skyrocket and for the first time

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really ever. I mean you kind
of had Someng with Pepe when he,

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you know, was in MLS.
You kind of had that little bump and

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Paxson Aaronson when those guys were there. But you had a little bump and

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a little hype over MLS. But
it slowed down relatively quickly, and it

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was a very small amount of cards
that really held well, it's sold.

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I think part of the reason it
slowed down was because you know, Aaronson

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Peppe, you know, they they
kind of disappointed they did, you know,

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when they when they went over there. So I think it's gonna be

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a little bit different because it's the
reverse, you know. I think what

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we're going to see now with the
twenty twenty three products that are going to

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come out later in the year with
MESSI is very similar to what we're seeing

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now with Bowmann Chrome University Basketball yep. And the impact that WEE Banyana has

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on that product and the pricing,
yeah, compared to the previous year.

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Yeah. And just to confirm something
you had a question on earlier, MESSI

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did have autographs in twenty twenty two
UEFA Champions League products. So okay,

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there we go. Yeah, yeah, so they're so the odds of him

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having autographs in the MLS product are
pretty high, pretty high. Yeah yeah,

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Um, the most likely to sticker
autos, you know, just because

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most of the MLS ones, you
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product that's coming out all hards.
Yeah, that looks like it's all hard

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signed. So next year's version of
it will hopefully have MESSI and that'll be

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um that that'll be an amazing product. They can't wait to see that.

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Oh God, are you that MLS
or renaissance the first time? I mean,

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now, granted, I want to
see how the cards look in hand.

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We've always seen as mock ups.
They do look forward here. But

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if this product is a nice,
nice quality, high end product, the

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first one with messy autos in it, they're gonna be massive. They're gonna

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be huge. It's gonna be norm
gonna be They're gonna be huge, huge,

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They're gonna be huge. Exactly.
Maybe maybe if he's a golfer,

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he can come down to Marlago and
you know, be a member, because

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we let anybody in it's all good
that the Democrats Democrats can't come. Um,

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So I think, yeah, I
think it's gonna be it's gonna be

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huge, I think. But I
think it's gonna draw a lot of eyes

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on those younger players, big time, big time. I think. I

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think a ton of people are going
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a ton of people that have been
holding some MLS cards, uh like myself.

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Hopefully some of these players. I
think you are going to see a

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bump because there's never gonna be more
eyes on the MLS. There's never gonna

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be more attention paid, and there's
never gonna be more hype than right now

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and this upcoming couple of years.
Yeah, I mean, and it's gonna

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be interesting to see the impact that
Messi has on Eiter Miami because they're currently

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sitting dead last YEP in the Eastern
Conference right now, and he's got an

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uphill battle to get back into you
know, to make the playoffs because again

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they you know, MLS does playoffs
right as Europe does. You know,

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just you just win. Um.
But here's my question is, normally,

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you know, the MLS has a
you know, schedule offset from the European

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leagues. Y MLS is playing all
summer, right, So what happens to

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MESSI where he's not really going to
get a break. He's going into the

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international break coming up this month where
he'll play some games to Argentina, and

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then come July, he'll be right
back on the field, yeah, playing,

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So there's zero break for him.
Yeah, he didn't get a break.

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He didn't get a break in the
fall because he played for the World

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Cup, you know, the World
Cup, which hey worked out, worked

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out well. Yeah, I would
take not having a break and winning the

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World Cup for that. But he's
basically going to be going for a straight

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year and a half without having like
a serious break. We're assuming he's going

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to sign that contract and walk right
over and play. I have a feeling

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he might take a little bit of
time to get over there. Well,

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it'll be a couple you know,
he'll have to train for a couple of

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weeks, get use it, Yeah
like that. But it will be interesting.

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Yeah, I'm excited about it.
I can't wait. Oh, I'm

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thrilled, man. This is I
mean, it's something both of us have

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been I mean, you know,
we both love soccer, and this is

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for United States soccer something that I've
wanted to grow forever. I don't think

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you could ask for anything better than
Messi heading over to the United States.

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I mean, yeah, that's uh
well, maybe Holland in his prime coming

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over to the US and Messi in
his like twilight years of his career is

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still better from a playing standpoint,
the skill standpoint, than like ninety percent

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of the rest of the soccer players
in the world easily. Yeah. So

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yeah, So there's some of the
big news this week, guys, Messy

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heading over to into Miami. It'll
be very interesting to see what's happen opening.

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Let us know in the comments and
everything this week if you guys are

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paying more attention to soccer now that
Messi is over here in the US,

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or well will be soon. But
one thing, Scott will move on now

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from Messi. We had some news. You mentioned a mini scandal, a

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scandal, a diet scandal earlier in
the show. Yep, let's let's break

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that down, all right. So
before we break that down, you have

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the other thing I want to break
down because I you know, we talked

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about percentages in the last segment with
Messing a skill. This time we're talking

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about percentages because there's been a massive
drop in grading submissions. Yes, there

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has. So jem Right just came
out with their monthly numbers from May and

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there is some major drop off on
that, oh huge. Overall grading activity

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declined fourteen percent compared to April.
PSA graded just over a million cards,

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down eighteen percent versus April plus fourteen
percent year over year. SGC graded eighty

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eight thousand, which is down seven
percent. This is where it got interesting.

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Yeah, PSG and Beckett. CSG
was up nineteen percent and Beckett was

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up seventeen percent, but overall a
fourteen percent decline in cards submitted from last

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month. Okay, let's go from
the bottom up. Yeah, Beckett not

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surprised there's an increase, No,
Brett. Beckett's bread and butter is bone

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chrum. Yep. You know twenty
twenty three Bowman submissions during the month of

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May. You know, we're probably
off the charts for them, absolutely,

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and that's not a surprise. And
let's be honest, Beckett really didn't have

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anywhere to go but up as far
as submissions go. You know, they

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were down pretty far. So they're
still down thirty percent from this time last

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year. Correct, but they were
up month over month, they were they

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were up cs G. Now what
I don't remember when I was looking at

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these numbers. Do these numbers.
Does CSG's numbers include the TCG stuff or

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is it only sports? Um?
I think it was only CSG CCG.

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Yes, it encompasses everything from my
understanding. Okay, So okay, so

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if it doesn't compass everything, that's
not a surprise. We had a brand

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new Pokemon series that just you know, Scarlet and Violet came out. Um,

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a lot of people were submitting stuff
for that, and they are very

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you know, as far as TCG
goes, they're the number they're number two,

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oh yeah, you know, behind
PSA. So that's not that's not

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a surprise to see a slight increase
with that as well. I'm curious to

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see what they're dedicated sports card numbers
were though. Yeah, um, because

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they're still you know, as far
as resale value and resale prices within the

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market, they're still for sports far
behind Beckett and SGC. Yep. Um,

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So that's you know, that's that's
kind of there. Um. SGC

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having a you know, the seven
percent decrease, that is not a surprise

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because you know, like I said, everybody was down for the most part,

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especially a year over year, but
SCC did see a lot of that

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twenty twenty three bowmen come in the
door because of that promotion that they're running,

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which has ended and has now been
replaced as of yesterday, with which

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again we're not surprised about it.
We knew it was coming top Series two

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promotion, right, and I'm curious
to see how their June numbers are gonna

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look because they also launched a fifteen
dollars football promotion, no up charges,

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no anything. So I had somebody
that gave me a couple of weeks ago,

407
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.920
a Jim Brown rookie that came back, came back in SGC five.

408
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:53.200
Wow. Uh so he played the
you know, the normal rate. There

409
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:57.279
were still no up charges on that, but you know it wasn't fifteen.

410
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.400
I think he paid twenty degraded.
But that's fine because with PSA that would

411
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.920
have, you know, assuming it
came back at five as well, you

412
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.839
know, that would have been probably
one hundred fifty bucks degrade. Yeah,

413
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:14.960
probably the expressors five express probably Yeah, five's about a two thousand dollars you

414
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:19.599
know value on that um PSA being
down. That one was a little bit

415
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:26.559
interesting because they have they've increased their
turn speeds, which absolutely without I mean,

416
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.599
well yeah, yeah, they did
just put up the nineties promotion,

417
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.559
so I think that'll push next month's
numbers. That really didn't influence this month's

418
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.759
numbers. Um, But they've had
good promotions with PSA like they've actually and

419
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.799
the turnaround times have been two months, I mean really two months or so

420
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.680
once they're from door to door.
I mean, they've been quick and that's

421
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.480
the and now. But that's the
thing though, and you know, I

422
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.640
actually did kind of see it coming
that they're not their numbers would be down

423
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.359
a little bit because of the fact
that they're able to turn cards so quickly.

424
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.920
Right, Usually when their numbers were
really high, you know, that's

425
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.839
when you had the massive backlog.
Yeah. Um, so they're meeting you

426
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.720
know, they're meeting expectations, but
at the same time, you know,

427
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.400
if they're not getting what they eat, and that that brings us to an

428
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:15.279
interesting question because we know that they
they added a massive amount of staff during

429
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:19.400
you know, during the COVID boom, just to be badly, a lot

430
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.960
of people have been laid off lately
and that's and that's the thing, you

431
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.079
know, because they're not getting in
the same kind of quantity that they were

432
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.759
getting in uh, you know before. They don't have a sixteen million cards

433
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.960
backlog that they need to work through. Um. You know. But between

434
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.079
the layoffs and honestly getting rid of
really the best one of the best people

435
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.279
in that company in terms of the
PSA aspect of it. Letting go of

436
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.359
one of the best people in that
company. I'm not going to mention his

437
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.880
name because he wouldn't want me to. Um. But just really, really,

438
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.599
really is indicative of where PSA is
I think right now. Is they,

439
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.160
you know, laying off a lot
of people, things, They're things

440
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.599
are a little in limbo I think
with where they're going and what they want

441
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.279
to do. But I've got a
question for you, and this is when

442
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.880
I looked at this, I thought, well, this makes sense to me

443
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:17.480
because the nationals coming up. Everyone
knows that PSA is going to and all

444
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.759
the grading companies are going to have
massive national specials they always do every single

445
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:27.680
year. And so the majority of
the cards submitted, I would say a

446
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.759
good probably at least a third,
I would I would guesstimate or probably going

447
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.599
to attend the National in some way, shape or form, or send their

448
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.480
cards with someone that is going to
the National. So I look at this

449
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.759
and I say, okay, well, this is people holding off until the

450
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.720
National gets there, all right,
so they get some of those promos.

451
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:56.000
So here's where you're thinking. In
my thinking differs because is it roes a

452
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.599
PSA. You're past the point right
now where if you send a card in,

453
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.319
you know, you're probably gonna get
it back, you know, if

454
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.279
you send it in in bulk,
you know, yeah, value, you're

455
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.839
you're not probably getting it back.
Before the National, I would have thought

456
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.680
that the April and May numbers would
have been, you know, in the

457
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.240
June numbers, which we'll see the
beginning of July would be a lot higher

458
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.599
because of all of the people that
are you know, that go to the

459
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:28.480
National, they want the cards already
slabbed because it makes it easier to sell.

460
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.240
Well, that's where I think the
June numbers I think you're going to

461
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.480
see across the board way up.
And that's and that's possible. Now.

462
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:39.519
The other the other thining is the
cost to slab at the National. Yes,

463
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:45.519
is usually prohibitively expensive, you know, not a little hint, tire.

464
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.319
Can't give me exact numbers, but
I can't give you a little hint,

465
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.640
tire. It's gonna be a lot
cheaper than it used to be.

466
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.799
Well, and that's and that makes
sense because they have to. Yeah,

467
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.799
but it's still gonna be what was
it, I mean, what was the

468
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:04.839
charge last year? Was it two
fifty? Um? Beckett usually has like

469
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.279
a fifty dollars, but that you
know, they're usually up to the you

470
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.359
know, while you wait charges very
quickly because they you know, their backlog

471
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.680
SGC did not do on site slabbing
at the National last year. They just

472
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.240
did the the pregrade. Yeah,
you know that they did, which was

473
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.039
very successful. Uh, you could
give them cards to bring down, you

474
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.720
know, to slab and things like
that. But I'm yeah, a lot

475
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.359
less expensive. You know, even
if they cut that price in half,

476
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.079
you know, you're still looking at
one hundred and twenty five bucks to have

477
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:42.319
it slabbed at the National, which
is still cost prohibitive for the vast majority

478
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.759
of you know what people are sending. Oh, I absolutely agree with you

479
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.319
on that. Yeah. So I
don't think you're I don't think you're gonna

480
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.119
you know, it's people waiting.
I think it's gonna be I think the

481
00:33:54.200 --> 00:34:00.000
June numbers will be higher, will
be higher. I think this is more

482
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:05.680
along the lines of just when some
thing's popped, you know what I mean.

483
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.840
I don't think this is necessarily like
people are saying, is this indicative

484
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:15.360
of people not wanting to grade cards
anymore? Blah blah blah. No,

485
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:16.679
not at all, not in any
way, shape or form, at least

486
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.239
in my opinion. I think it
just comes down to, I mean,

487
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.519
for all we know, look,
this is the main numbers, for all

488
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:28.880
we know on June first through fifth, you know, five hundred thousand more

489
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:30.440
cards. You know. Well,
I don't think I mean, look,

490
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.199
well, you know it's possible,
but we don't. You know, I

491
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.280
don't think they've got the capability to
do five hundred thousands. No, but

492
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.719
you know what I mean. But
yeah, no, no exactly. But

493
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.920
now here's the other here's the other
things. So I think the JEWE numbers

494
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.199
are gonna wind up going up for
PSA. I think the jew numbers for

495
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.599
SGC, though, are probably gonna
be down a little bit. And here's

496
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:53.000
the reason why PSA. And for
some reason, I don't know why,

497
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:59.119
it's probably because they feel threatened.
They reached out to all of their bulk

498
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:06.519
submitters a group submission, you know, folks who also submitted for other companies,

499
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.360
yes, and said, yeah,
you're not going to do that anymore.

500
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.800
If you want to still, you
know, if you still want to

501
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:20.119
do group submissions for PSA, you
have to be exclusive to PSA. Now

502
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.199
that doesn't hurt gem Mint, right, you know, our buddy Jared,

503
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:31.719
because he was exclusive to PSA already. But guys like Nash Cards who did

504
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.639
a you know, does a large
amount of PSA, but it was also

505
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.519
doing a very large amount of SGC. Oh, yeah, they're not going

506
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:46.119
to be able to do that anymore. So you know, I'm hoping that

507
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:52.280
you know, they've reached out to
you know, in a redirecting their SGC

508
00:35:52.400 --> 00:36:00.800
customers to other group submitters. Um
are a shameless plug right there? Yeah,

509
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.280
um, you know, or you
know, it's not going to affect

510
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.760
Boca because he's exclusive to SGC.
The there's a massive amount of stores,

511
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:15.719
there's I mean, there's a massive
amount of very large bulk submitters that didn't

512
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.239
give you that option of PSA SGC
Beckett some of them did all four But

513
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.599
now yeah, and it wasn't just
as it wasn't just SGC, it was

514
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.880
you know, I don't know,
see I didn't hear any of it in

515
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:34.880
regards to CSG. I only heard
it in regards to SGC and Beckett is

516
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.840
well exactly, which you know,
which took a huge chunk. So how

517
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.400
is it going to affect guys like
you know, what's a Josh Kade right

518
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.519
in text? I think he's with
Diamond right now. He he built his

519
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:52.960
business with Beckett, was a massive
Beckett Group submitter, Oh yes, and

520
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.960
then added CSG and PSA, and
I think they're doing a I think they're

521
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.400
doing a ton of business with PSA. So you know, in his situation,

522
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:07.400
does he tell PSA to go pound
sand because he is sticking with Beckett,

523
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.159
who he you know, came up
with in the industry, yea?

524
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:16.840
Or is he long term relationship exactly? So is he gonna cut them off?

525
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.159
And you know, especially you know, if this was six months ago,

526
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.960
you know, with with Kunal in
charge and things like that, I

527
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.880
probably would, I probably would cut
Beckett off. But that's not the case

528
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.519
anymore. So you know, it's
gonna be very interesting to see how this

529
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.199
pops out, and it's gonna be
really interesting to see if you know,

530
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.800
the the bulk submitters that are not
affiliated with PSA are going to see a

531
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:44.480
massive increase in their you know,
submissions to both Beckett and SGC and i'd

532
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.119
like to I'd like to think so
I'd like to think that that's going to

533
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:51.079
be the case because if the numbers
for Beckett and the numbers for SUC won't

534
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.280
fall off because they're not you know, they're not losing thousands of cards a

535
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.440
week, right, you know from
some of these large bulk submitters. You

536
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.760
know, Nash Cards was you know, was one of the biggest five star

537
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.800
up in Wisconsin. Yeah, you
know he was. I mean he has

538
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.760
always been a big PSA guy.
You know, Matt Sellers up there,

539
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.480
great guy, you know, Yett
very well, but submitted a lot elsewhere

540
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.360
too. It submitted a lot elsewhere
exactly. And now it's like, okay,

541
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.960
well we're gonna we're gonna cut that
off. Now It's like, okay,

542
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.559
crap, what's gonna happen. Yeah, So that's kind of the the

543
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.480
conundrum that a lot of these guys
are going to be in. So we'll

544
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.960
see how that plays out. Yeah, that's uh, that's gonna be something

545
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.519
really interesting to watch going forward,
because you know, we were just talking

546
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:37.440
about the gym rate numbers and everything
that those books submitters that we're talking about

547
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.000
don't handle just a couple of hundred
cards, you know, they handled thousands

548
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:45.599
of thousands a month for some of
them, tens of thousands for a lot

549
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.000
of times each of these grading companies. So yeah, what are what are

550
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.760
they gonna do? Um and how
are they going to kind of maneuver around

551
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.719
these new rules at PSA is putting
in place, which pretty much saying it's

552
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.400
us or nobody. You know,
it's us for someone else, but it's

553
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.559
not both, you know, exactly
take an eating it too. Yeah,

554
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.880
if you if you want, you
know, if you want to get the

555
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.920
deals that we're giving you, then
it's got to be us. You can't

556
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.119
do it. You can't do with
anybody else. And I'm just trying to

557
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.960
figure out why because for years and
years and years, everybody lived in harmony

558
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.679
with everybody else, right Yeah,
And the only thing I can think of

559
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.039
is that PSA feels threatened. Well, I mean there's something there. I

560
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.320
mean, there's some they don't do
this for no reason. This isn't something

561
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.039
small. This is pretty big when
it comes to the clients that they're talking

562
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.559
about. Like you said, if
they were to lose some of those people

563
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:43.599
that have built amazing relationships with Backett
or SGC and things like that, if

564
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.760
they were to lose those bulk suppers
where they said, well, screw it,

565
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:50.880
I'm gonna go with the other companies
and just say forget it and push

566
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:55.199
my customers there, that could have
a drop off effect for PSA. I

567
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.079
definitely think this kind of does come
from feeling a little threatened here and looking

568
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.719
at their numbers eighteen percent down making
these moves right now, Beckett, you

569
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:12.000
mentioned Kunal out new CEO and everything
in Beckett's numbers are up seventeen percent.

570
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.679
I mean, yeah, well,
and again I don't know, I don't

571
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.320
know how much of that had to
do with, you know, with Kunal

572
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.320
being out as opposed to Boom,
as opposed to Bowman Chrome, you know,

573
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.320
getting released. So I think there's
a you know, there's a little

574
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.920
bit of a coincidence on that one, because their numbers are always up on

575
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.000
a new Bowman product, that's true, So that's not a you know,

576
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.199
like I said, I'm curious to
see what their June numbers look like,

577
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.800
though, Yes, because that's gonna
be that would you know, again,

578
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.480
it's been out for a while,
you know, there's not a new one

579
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.519
coming out. I don't think Bowman
chromer release is told usually what's September or

580
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:49.079
something like that. Um, it's
curious to see what their summer is going

581
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.719
to look like from that standpoint,
but the you know it again, I

582
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.760
think that's an outlier month for Beckett. Yeah, I agree. I think

583
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.480
May in general, looking at all
of it, isn't outlier month. I'm

584
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:06.280
curious to see what June looks like
compared to April, you know, March,

585
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.280
things like that. You think we're
always going to have these odd months

586
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.679
because of when things pop, how
things pop, when things up, all

587
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.960
of that. And that's kind of
where I see this as fourteen percent down

588
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.400
looking at it again. Year every
year, everything's still up, you know

589
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.559
for the majority, but quite interesting. And you know, PSA making a

590
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.480
lot of bulk suffers have to make
a very very big decision here, which

591
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.360
is going to influence quite a bit
of the money that's in their pocket.

592
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.239
Yeah, speaking of the money that's
in pockets, we need more. That's

593
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:45.280
true. Listen to this and we'll
be back. As you suffer and we're

594
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.320
back. Thank you for joining us, and thank you for listening to all

595
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596
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597
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.639
on the planet right now. It's
huge, It's you uge, bigger than

598
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:06.000
anything that's going on right now.
It's of course the NBA Final. Oh

599
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.400
yeah, all right, So we
got a big NBA Finals going on right

600
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.760
now, not the two teams that
I would have wanted to see in it,

601
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:17.079
but it's actually looking pretty good.
And we've got a big name on

602
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:23.159
each team that has yet to win
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603
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.760
hobby implications. It better, I
mean, well, yeah, I'll say

604
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.519
it right now. It's fucking better
because all I hear about all the time

605
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.519
when you hear any of these conversations
in the NBA is I mean rings the

606
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.320
day of Jordan has this many,
this person has this many blah blah blah.

607
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:44.039
This person is better than that joking
and I would put Murray in there

608
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.519
too, But what we're gonna pay
It's true, yokick because Joe kick is

609
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.719
a is an absolute monster and something
that just doesn't come along very often.

610
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.000
Yokick on the Denver side, You've
got Jimmy Butler on the Heat side,

611
00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:00.719
two guys massively overlooked in this hobby
for I don't know how long, never

612
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:07.679
got the love despite always putting up
great numbers, always being amazing players.

613
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.719
Butler are not as much as joking, He's kind of Butler. God well,

614
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.559
Butler. Butler definitely got some love
his rookie year. Oh yes,

615
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.599
then it and then it completely fell
off exactly. But now you've got these

616
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.519
guys in the finals, and all
I hear about her rings and championships.

617
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:30.000
Whoever wins this championship between those two
guys, and I'm an I love the

618
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.000
Heat. I grew up a Heat
fan. I still paint the nuggets taken

619
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.000
in six. But whoever wins this, it's got to propel him in the

620
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.719
hobby, right, I mean,
how's now, here's the thing. So

621
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.239
let's let's start with Yoki. Yokich
has started off a little slow in his

622
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.639
career, but the last you know, three to four years, has built

623
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.199
a Hall of fame resume. There
are there are two things that he is

624
00:43:54.239 --> 00:44:00.119
missing. He's missing an NBA championship, So he's missed the ring and he's

625
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:05.880
missing the finals MVP. Yeah,
and I guarantee you if Denver wins that

626
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:09.079
he is the finals MVP. Yes, there is no there like there's no

627
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.239
contest right now. No no,
no, no no. Um. If

628
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.800
Denver wins, he's the MVP.
Now on the other side of the coin,

629
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.960
we have Jimmy Butler and the Heat. Who Again, if the Heat

630
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.199
end up winning, which again I
don't think is likely, Jimmy Butler will

631
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:29.119
be the MVP. Yeah. Now
he is also missing though the league MVP.

632
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.719
Yeah, of which Yoga has two. Yeah. So that's that's the

633
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.039
question. Now here's here's the other
one to ponder. So, if Miami

634
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.280
wins and if Butler gets his ring, is that there are let me phrase

635
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.960
that, there is a chance,
based on some rumors that were going around

636
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.559
years ago, that that that could
be the seventh ring for the Jordan family.

637
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.719
Yes, yeah, you know,
yeah, there are lots of lots

638
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:55.440
of rumors going around that he is
the illegitimate son of Michael Jordan. There's

639
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:58.239
a lot of look at the way, look at the two of them together,

640
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.639
similarities. Yeah, not saying it's
anything other than a rumor, but

641
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.159
we still got to bring it up
because it's funny. Oh no, it's

642
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.199
great. Yeah, And the comparisons
are definitely there. Yeah, so do

643
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:13.400
we have. And I just think
it's weird that, you know, if

644
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.000
if that is the case, then
for some reason, Butler wound up much

645
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:21.239
better than Marcus and Jeffrey. Yeah
right, Yeah, I look at like

646
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.800
knowing those two since they were kids. Um, great guys, absolutely,

647
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:32.039
great guys. Just want their father
and Jimmy Butler man maybe maybe Jimmy,

648
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.519
Yeah, exactly. So I'm kind
of curious to see how this is all

649
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.039
going to play out. But I
think you're right. I think Denver and

650
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:43.400
six is probably the right call.
I would, honestly just because I love

651
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:47.760
watching these two teams. They're like, they're relatively equal competitive, miss.

652
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.119
I kind of would like to see
it go to seven. I went to

653
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.280
um because that puts a Denver win
in Denver. Yeah, I'd also like

654
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.039
to see it go to seven because
then maybe Tyler Hero can come back and

655
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.159
kind of Lowry can get off the
basketball court, because if there's one person

656
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:06.079
that needs to get off the basketball
court and retire. It is Kyle Lowry,

657
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.400
my god, Yeah, you know, and I believe it. He's

658
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.400
already he's already got a ring.
Yeah, so he needs to hang it

659
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.880
up quickly. But I think this
is the year. If I'm being honest,

660
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:21.440
I think I think Butler's stuff.
Even if he wins, I think

661
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:25.320
it's still like you said, he's
missing the regular season MVPs. He's missing

662
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.599
a lot of the other accolades.
Joke. If Denver can win this,

663
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.119
you're looking at a two time MVP. Like you said, there's no way

664
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.320
they don't win, and he doesn't
get finals MVP. So let's assume finals

665
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:42.840
MVP and a champion on a Nuggets
team, not on some big team where

666
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.079
he brought in a bunch of people
around him to help them. They didn't

667
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.679
make these massive, massive trades to
bring in two or three other superstars.

668
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.000
No, this was a built team. This was built through the draft and

669
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:58.719
through a couple of small role player
trades that made them into contenders. I

670
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.760
think Joker has to be looked at
as I mean, the hype would have

671
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:07.079
to go as one of the best
big men I mean of the era,

672
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.480
and I know big men don't that
great but you'd gotta you have to make

673
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.079
an exception for him. I think. So here's saying, as far as

674
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.800
the Hall of Fame goes, regardless
of whether Denver wins or not, I

675
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:20.400
think Yokich is in. Oh.
You know, guys that win, guys

676
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.000
that win two MVPs yea, and
frankly, guys that win one MVP usually

677
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:29.159
eventually get in, right. But
I think with Yoki's numbers, you know

678
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.440
the fact that he was the league
MVP twice, and I believe he finished

679
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.920
second this past year yea. And
I think Mbid rightfully got that MVP.

680
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:40.400
Yes, you know, he you
know, him and Yokich had been going

681
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.960
head to head, you know for
several years now. As far as that

682
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.440
absolute, you know, finishing second
for Yokich this year, I think,

683
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.679
I think he's a lock for the
Hall of Fame. But I think there's

684
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.320
a there's no there's like a guarantee
that if he you know, if they

685
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.760
win it this year, he's the
finals MVP, he gets his ring,

686
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.599
and along with the two MVP he's
he's a first ballot without question. Jimmy

687
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.480
Butler, on the other hand,
I think that even I think with the

688
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:13.480
Championship and most likely finals MVP.
Even if he doesn't win a league MVP,

689
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.719
I still think he ends up in
the Hall of Fame because if you

690
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.960
look, if you look over the
course of you know, from when he

691
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.840
was a rookie until now. Look, he's played at a high level,

692
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:29.960
but look at the guys who have
won the MVPs, you know, during

693
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.960
that period of time he's been I
mean, he's been blocked out Yogi and

694
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.760
Bead Jannis has won a couple,
you know, So it's like, okay,

695
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:42.920
great, you can still have a
Hall of Fame career and not win

696
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.280
an MVP because of the guys that
actually did. It's like Nolan Ryan.

697
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:51.079
Nolan Ryan never wont to say Young
Award, Yeah, you know, because

698
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:57.239
there was always one guy, exactly
old Jordan Era. There's about fifty different

699
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.719
basketball players I could name that should
have won championship, but there was that

700
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.119
dude in Chicago winning all of them, you know, I mean exactly Barkley.

701
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.400
But I mean from the hobby aspect, I think that I mean,

702
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:14.480
Jokik is in the perfect position just
like Butler. Both of these guys are

703
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:21.800
because their rookies came out twenty seventeen
fifteen, Butler thirteen, I believe.

704
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.320
Yeah. Um, so both of
them are in that era before production ramped

705
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.800
up. Yep, you know,
a lot less products, a lot less

706
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.960
stuff, a lot of nicer stuff, to be quite honest, Um,

707
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.519
but they were kind of in that
build up era. Um. You know,

708
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.639
Butler's got the you know, debut
prism to fall back on as well.

709
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.599
So there's a lot of There's just
so much in this that these are

710
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:51.639
two guys that we're watching right now
that are getting a lot of attention right

711
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:58.119
now. And I just hope that
hobby carries over into the following seasons with

712
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.920
these guys. And to be quite
honest, of the other players, I

713
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.199
hope Bam out of Bio finally gets
the recognition that he deserves. Personally,

714
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.920
I've been saying it all playoffs long. The only way to heat win.

715
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.559
So if he shoots twenty twenty five
times a game, if he doesn't take

716
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.639
well, let's just let's just take
a look. Take a look at yokich

717
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:20.159
Um fifteen sixteen, Donris his you
know, his bass rated rookie. We're

718
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.719
not talking. There was no optic
back then, so yeah, let's just

719
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.000
look at that a year ago,
you know, you were looking anywhere between

720
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.599
three hundred and four hundred bucks for
a PSA ten right of the bait,

721
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.920
and we're talking bass. We're not
talking about you know, any of the

722
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:37.280
parallels or anything like that. The
last several that's sold. Let's see here

723
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:43.800
seven so most recent in the last
four so six ninety nine, seven fifty

724
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:47.039
eight, sixty seven, seventy five, seven ten, eight twenty, so

725
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.840
you know, six nine ys,
so even a even in a year.

726
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.079
And let's just look at the month
of June. All those that I read

727
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:59.199
off were just in the month of
June, of course, so you know,

728
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:00.679
even in the last months. There
was one at the end of May

729
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.440
they went for five hundred, you
know, just just going back a little

730
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.199
bit. But they've they've been you
know high. There was one that went

731
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:13.119
May twentieth for three fifteen, so
you know there's been a jump. Yeah.

732
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.880
I just hope it's a sin.
I just hope it levels up a

733
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.119
little bit because I think both of
these guys are prime examples of people in

734
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.880
the hobby. And this happens a
lot because people get caught up with the

735
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.400
rookies. Obviously, the wim be
crazed and all of that. It's going

736
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.119
to be coming, but people get
caught up in their rookie chase and all

737
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:35.960
this, and people get left to
the side and left as afterthoughts. And

738
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.480
I think these are two prime examples
of players that have proven that they are

739
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:45.920
not afterthoughts and that they deserve much
more hobby love than there than they have

740
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.039
been getting in the past. I'm
going to take out the month of June

741
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:54.039
because obviously they're getting hyped up now, but you go back six months ago,

742
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.880
not the same thing. And so
I'm hoping that we see some sustainability

743
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.559
on this because I mean, these
are, like I said, these are

744
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.960
two guys that I think will both
be in the Hall of Fame. I

745
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.960
think both of these teams are great, and I'd like to see a bump

746
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.159
on Jamal Murray. Like I said, I'd like to see a bump on

747
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.199
Bam. I'd like to see a
bump. Obviously you've got Caleb Martin who's

748
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.679
got quite a bump. But you
can only go up when your cards are

749
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.599
a dollar, so I don't know. I don't know about that. There's

750
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.119
lots of guys, you know,
fifty cents or less so it's not a

751
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.519
you know, not a huge thing. And I got to look through all

752
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:30.159
my I gotta look through it because
I got a bunch of Caleb Martin stuff.

753
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:35.920
Yeah he can thank Tyler Hero for
that. But yeah, it'll it'll

754
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:37.800
be interesting to see. I just
want. I just hope, like I

755
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:43.119
said, that these guys that that
moves over and people start to give both

756
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.400
of these players, but especially joking
in particular, the recognition that they do

757
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:52.800
deserve. No, absolutely, now
speaking of guys that are finally getting the

758
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.320
recognition that they deserve. Yes,
let's switch sports. Let's dude, we're

759
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.320
moving to baseball. Two guys we
want to talk about in this set.

760
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.880
One of them is a rookie,
has like two games in the league,

761
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:09.840
and the other one is not a
rookie this year but has received zero hobby

762
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:15.880
love until now. Yep. So
let's start off with the guy that may

763
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.079
or may not be a flash in
the pan. I don't think he will

764
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.519
be. Just got called up the
other day. We were talking about it

765
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.079
last week that like it was imminent. Any day now it was gonna happen,

766
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:29.239
And any day arrived. Yes,
and I'm gonna tell you if you

767
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.519
saw The video that they posted of
how he was told that he got called

768
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.960
up was awesome, amazing, and
I love watching those videos. But they

769
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.599
they got him good on that one. We're obviously talking about Ellie day La

770
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.679
Cruz. Yes, and I'm glad
we didn't record yesterday. Normally record on

771
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.400
Wednesdays. Today we decided record on
Thursday. But his second game yesterday,

772
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:58.760
Jesus, holy crap, Like,
what the hell, dude launches a bomb

773
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:06.000
fifth he's something whatnot for fifty eight
into like one of the last rows at

774
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.760
Great American Ballpark, insane almost out
of the stadium, which is very difficult

775
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:14.559
to do with that ballpark. Yes, one hundred and fourteen mile an hour

776
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.639
eggs of velocity. God, Like, I don't I don't get it.

777
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:23.400
I don't know why, Like why
this shouldn't be happening. This dude was

778
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:30.199
was rushed through the farm system.
I mean, this dude has not been

779
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:34.239
It's not like you have twenty five
prospect cards of this dude. No,

780
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:38.920
this guy was shoved through the miners
into the majors and looks to be the

781
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:44.400
real deal. Well he looked.
They did move him up pretty quickly through

782
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.840
the minor league system. But you
know they you know in Triple A this

783
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:54.760
year he was putting up ridiculous numbers. Oh nasty, and gave himself a

784
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:59.679
great argument, let's do why he
belongs in the majors. Now, there

785
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.599
was a there was a question as
to what was going to happen to one

786
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.360
of the Cincinnati players, the younger
guys when he came up, because he's

787
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.800
naturally a short stop. So the
question is what was really gonna happen to

788
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.039
Jonathan India. Yeah, didn't talk
about that. Did have to worry about

789
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.519
that because they got injured. There
was an injury at third base, and

790
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:22.719
he came in and he's playing third, and he is making an argument that

791
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:29.159
when and I forgot her the third
basement was Cincinnati because maybe it's sensil.

792
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.360
Look, let's be honest, it's
the Reds. Nobody gives it. Yeah,

793
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:37.639
he's making a very good argument as
to why they should not send him

794
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.840
back to Triple A. Yes,
no, this is a guy man,

795
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.440
And in all honesty, I know
everyone's caught up in the hype right now,

796
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.519
and I'm going to say something that
some people might laugh at, but

797
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:52.599
this is just something that I see
and it goes by nothing but the eye

798
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.760
test. And I'm someone that goes
to a lot of minor league games,

799
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:00.400
pays a lot of attention to minor
league baseball because that's what we got here

800
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.119
in Carol. I was gonna say, because you got you got nothing else.

801
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.800
Yeah, that's what I watched.
So that's what I pay a lot

802
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.440
of attention to. I've watched him
in person. I've seen him in person.

803
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.400
I've watched a ton of his highlights, and now I see him in

804
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.599
the big leagues. This is a
guy that I think has the potential to

805
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:22.679
honestly be up in that Tatts Soto
Akunya type level of next generation superstar.

806
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.199
Now it's early. Now, I
wouldn't put a hold on I no't know

807
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.119
if I throw in Tatts in there
yet. Okay, yeah, I mean

808
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.840
that's that's thrown in. That's like
throwing in like, oh yeah, he

809
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.559
may get caught with performance enhancing whatever, you know what I mean. No,

810
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:39.920
I know he has the potential to
be on the face of MLB of

811
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.360
the show. He has the potential
to be one of the faces of the

812
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.719
league. He looks the part.
The dude is a monster. He is

813
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:54.239
an absolute beast. He just looks
like that prototypical MLB player. And then

814
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:58.599
you see what he's doing so far
in the big leagues. You look down

815
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.840
at Triple A, like you said, where he dominated. You look everywhere

816
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:07.719
he's gone. He's done nothing but
dominate. And I I love this kid.

817
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:12.119
I see big, big things for
him. And I'll tell you one

818
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:15.280
thing. The hobby sure as hell
loves him right now. Yep, my

819
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.679
god, his bowman stuff is blind
through the roof. And like I said,

820
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.519
you know, most guys when they
get called up, they've got their

821
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:27.280
first bowmans. Then they've got a
couple of years in between where they've got

822
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.880
their prospect autos and all this stuff. Not him. I know he's actually

823
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.840
got so he's got his first bowman
and then he I believe he's got two

824
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.519
others, two others. Yeah,
yeah, he was in I believe he

825
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:43.880
had a non first bowman in bowe
Chrome last year and he's in twenty twenty

826
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.199
three bowmen as a prospect, right, but he does not have that eight

827
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.079
million product prospect list like a lot
of guys do. No, and he's

828
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.199
not Um Royce Lewis, right,
who I think has what was he in

829
00:57:55.480 --> 00:58:00.440
seven six or seven years of bowmen
products before he made it up to the

830
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:05.960
majors. He's not that guy,
so there's very there's very little for him

831
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:15.039
to do, and he came in
just before that typical June seventh ish,

832
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.199
yeah butt off date first. See. The thing I like about him is

833
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.320
he's more than just power too.
He's got the speed I mean he had

834
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.760
he has. I saw this that
he has the fastest first to third yep

835
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.400
um ratio in the MLB this season
already. And he also he's also got

836
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.880
a cannon for an arm. Yes, we'll see how long. You want

837
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.480
to see how long that lasts?
That's what Yes, that's what I like.

838
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.960
Yeah, we shall see on that
one. Um. His one downfall

839
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.880
I think is playing with the Reds
obviously, but baseball is one of those

840
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.400
sports where I mean, granted,
when his career is over, he'll probably

841
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:58.119
play for half the league like most
players doing baseball, so um, I

842
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.559
don't. And it also is something
where the team doesn't really affect it as

843
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:06.159
much. I mean there are some
instances, but if you're good, and

844
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:10.079
you're that good, you're gonna transcend
that shit team you're on, exactly like

845
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.440
like Mike trout Right he's played,
you know, ten years in the league

846
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.639
and he's made the playoffs once.
Yeah, but how many? How many

847
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:20.400
times was he MVP? You know
how many home runs has he hit?

848
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.559
Baseball As much as it's a team
sport, when it comes to the hobby,

849
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:28.559
it's very much an individual sport,
absolutely, And that's that's kind of

850
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.079
the weird you know, the weird
thing. The hobby doesn't I mean there

851
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:34.960
is a certain amount to look,
yeah, they care if you win a

852
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:38.760
championship, but as far as the
cards go, they really don't care.

853
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.960
No, it's how you know,
how many home runs are you hitting this

854
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.639
year? Right? We talked about
how important that NBA championship was just a

855
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.840
minute ago. You switch sports over
to baseball. It's a complete and total

856
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.320
opposite. No, exactly. I
mean, look at the most chase guys

857
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.119
right now and then counting up their
rings. I'm pretty sure you still have

858
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:59.079
one. You still have a couple
of fingers on one hand. And in

859
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.079
the reality is, the hobby doesn't
care so much about defense as it does

860
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.239
about home runs, right, which
leads us into the other guy that we

861
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.840
were talking about, Yes, who
doesn't hit home runs? He's hit one

862
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:14.519
the entire season, and actually I
believe that game he hit for the cycle.

863
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.960
Yes he did. And last year
he won the American League batting title.

864
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:24.559
Mm over Aaron Judge, I know
who just had one hell of a

865
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:29.159
season. Yeah, and you know
what, you know what happened was that

866
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:36.440
no hobby love him? None until
now. Yeah, finally, I've been

867
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:42.079
high on this guy since twenty nineteen. I ed I ribbed an absolutely insane

868
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.400
amount of twenty nineteen Chrome update because
this guy. I was chasing this guy

869
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:51.159
and I'm actually I had a red
ad an Orange Jady Alster and I'm actually

870
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.000
kind of mad I sold that when
I did, and I look, I'm

871
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.920
happy with what I got for it, and then it's fine. I just

872
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.079
wish I still had him now work
of course, talking about Luis Riyas,

873
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:05.360
Yeah, now he is finally.
Even even when he was leading the American

874
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.000
League last year for the batting title
late in the season, he still was

875
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:14.320
not, Like ESPN wasn't writing articles
about him, and he wasn't getting anything

876
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.320
in a hobby And then I don't
know what the hell happened, Minnesota decided

877
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.480
to trade him. Yeah, Like, what the hell were you thinking?

878
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:28.639
I know, I will take nine
of him versus nine guys that hit bombs

879
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:31.199
but but strike out a ton,
don't have a huge on base percentage.

880
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:37.800
But now, all of a sudden, we're a week into June and Aria's

881
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.360
is still hitting. I think after
yesterday, with a couple of hits,

882
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:45.199
he raises batting average again. He's
hitting four h three yes after, you

883
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:51.519
know, I think it's like sixty
three games or something exactly. Now,

884
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.440
keep in mind, we have not
seen a four hundred hitter for a season

885
01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:00.320
in Major League Baseball since Ted Williams. Yep um. It is has been

886
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.880
a long time since that happened.
And I don't think we have ever seen

887
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:10.159
a player win the batting title in
both leagues. I don't think we're rushing.

888
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:13.760
I don't think so. I don't
think there. I don't think it's

889
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.960
happened. And Arias is on track
if he keeps it up, even if

890
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.079
he doesn't it four hundred, even
if he hits like, you know,

891
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.960
three thirty, Yeah, which would
be like a disappointing season for him considering

892
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:29.519
how it started. I think he
still wins the NL batting title and he

893
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.719
wants due, so, you know, so, but he's finally getting the

894
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.800
love and the hobby. Yes,
and I love seeing it. Well,

895
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:38.719
I mean the dude is amazing.
I mean they had the staff the other

896
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:43.679
day. He has more multi hit
games than he has total strikeouts. On

897
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:47.679
the year, he only has eleven
strikeouts and eighty seven hits. Yeah,

898
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:52.679
this dude is a is an absolute
beast, like you said, averaging four

899
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:59.360
h three. I think he has
the chance two hit four hundred this year.

900
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:04.639
I think. So. This kid's
amazing. And I like you ripped

901
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.880
a ton a Chrome Update and luckily
did not sell a lot and still had

902
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:12.039
it in a box. So I've
been going sifting through it right now.

903
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.480
But yes, he's finally getting that
hobby love and rightfully. So I had

904
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.360
him, oh, I'll tell you
I had him separated, but all the

905
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.679
way back to twenty nineteen, all
of his even his bass, I had

906
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.559
top loaded because I knew this was
going to happen at some point. Yeah,

907
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.639
as of last week, I had
one hundred and twenty two bass Chrome

908
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.159
Update Rookie. Now because it was
exclusive, you know, back then,

909
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:35.239
they didn't do hobby, they didn't
you know, and all you stuff.

910
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.719
There was only a seven card you
know box and the two pack hanger.

911
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:43.440
I ran the numbers and there should
be roughly seventy five hundred of every bass

912
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.679
card. Wow, So having one
hundred and twenty two of the seventy five

913
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:51.280
hundred is a large percent. I
look, I did over six hundred boxes.

914
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:52.880
I did over two hundred hanger packs. I mean, look when I

915
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.760
said I ripped a ton, I
ripped a ton. Oh yeah, um,

916
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:01.280
but I've slowly started selling them off
and they're getting progressively more expensive at

917
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.800
a reble time. Yeah, and
you know I'm not doing one at a

918
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:09.000
time. I've got him and I
had the first two groups and ten card

919
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:12.320
lots. I've got a twenty card
lot up right now. Yeah. But

920
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:16.039
he's finally getting the recognition within the
hobby that he deserves. And I'm hoping

921
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.760
that he continues this because if he
becomes the first four hundred hitter for a

922
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:26.599
season since ten Williams, yeah,
and he continues his career, you know

923
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:31.519
on a similar trajectory. You know, he is he is going to be

924
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:34.920
a name that we are going to
be talking about for generations. Oh how

925
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:40.440
can you not? I mean,
how could you not? So? But

926
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:44.039
I'm excited to see it me too, I love it. A couple of

927
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:48.800
young guys in baseball finally, one
guy finally getting attention and another one trying

928
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:53.599
to steal the show from everyone else's
baseball. Right now, I'm doing a

929
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.719
pretty good job at it. But
it is, like I said, just

930
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.039
like when in our previous segment,
it's awesome and I love when the hobby

931
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:04.559
finally embraces somebody that's been putting it
together and showing it to you. And

932
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:09.400
the eye test has been there forever, but for some reason people were afraid

933
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.880
to pull their wallets out, and
now they're not. Yeah, yeah,

934
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:15.800
I love it. Yeah, absolutely, you know, Drew, I think

935
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:17.840
it's a good place to wrap it
up this week. I agree, So

936
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:23.000
thank you guys so much. This
is gonna wrap up episode one eighty eight

937
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:26.400
of Let Me Get That Photograph.
As we are on the road to the

938
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.039
National, be announcing a couple of
special guests that we do have coming up

939
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.039
here in a couple of weeks shortly, along with a few other things as

940
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:40.079
we ramp up heading in towards the
National, securing a mainstage slot right now

941
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:43.760
as well. Totefully we'll be able
to tell you guys about here shortly,

942
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.280
but Before we go, do want
to thank our awesome sponsors, Denver Card

943
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:51.920
Shows, Game Time Sports Cards,
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944
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:57.000
stand Up Displays, and Treasure Hunter
Sports Cards. Thank you guys so much

945
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.679
for tuning in. If you guys
are in the North Carolina in an area

946
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.280
this Saturday, I will be at
the Hickory Card Show. Would love to

947
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:06.880
see you guys. We'll be doing
some video content and buying a shit load

948
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:14.199
of cards, so bring some cards
and sell them to me. But yeah,

949
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:17.320
I would love it. And of
course Guy's Hobby Hotline every single Saturday.

950
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.840
I'll be on on the seventeen,
so tune in on the seventeenth for

951
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:26.159
sure, and we'll be doing a
hobby Palooza over on bench Clear Media on

952
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:29.840
the twenty sixth to make sure to
check that out as well as a ton

953
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.760
of fun, lot of content all
day long, and of course a couple

954
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:36.760
of new articles up on Hobby News
Daily as as well. But a great

955
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:42.360
show. Scott absolutely the same as
always, Drew absolutely well until next week.

956
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.559
You guys know the deal. If
you ripping those packs, pulling those

957
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:46.599
hits we taught you, then Pace