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This is I on the Ball with
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everybody. Welcome to I on the
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I'm Steve Rivera, a partner Jagan
Zalas and my guy Kwan for the

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final the O of the week.
We thought it'd never get here, but

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we're here. Goodness see you good
to be here. Any any adventures this

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week? No, no sky diving. I thought about it, but no

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sky div you got to make the
trip. No marriage, no girlfriends,

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You're good. Yeah? He was
busy on college football? EA sports thing?

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Are you playing? Yeah? You
know you and created the dynasty with

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Arizona Radio. You did, okay? You and Jason Sheer Yeah talking about

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it. Okay, good luck for
you. Good luck of that. Help

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you get something out of it.
We're making too, so proud the footprint

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through one good look. So what's
up with you? Jay? You know

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I was telling you, you know, with this grudge conversation we had yesterday,

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you know, after I read the
kid ul Key article and stuff,

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and I told you I only had
three. Well we found two more.

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They're gonna be carling out of the
wood. We had, you know,

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as a you know, I always
gonna ask, you know, how the

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show going stuff? And I told
me we had talked about the grudges and

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stuff, and it actually kind of
became kind of a deep conversation with my

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family because my wife thinks I hold
a lot of grudges. And yeah,

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if you're on, if you're listening, to give us a call. We

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had to we had to clarify what's
a grudge versus just not liking someone.

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And I'm sure that's a long list
too. Oh yeah, there's a lot

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of people I don't like, and
there's a lot of people. But in

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terms of you know, to me, I said that a grudge is that

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it's somebody that when you see them, like you're gonna go the other away,

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or you might punch him in the
face, or you know you're gonna

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confront them because you don't you know. So so to me, a grudge

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is more like, you know,
just somebody you hold some anger towards.

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So you said you had three,
I said I had three. Okay,

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so two more found more that you
confirmed. Yes, so that's fine,

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that's fine, And that doesn't include
the guys you don't even like, yeah,

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you know. And then she tried
to say, well, you you

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know, like my daughter said,
well, you have a grudge against the

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Astros. They said, yeah,
but that's a different kind of that's that's

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a different kind of that's a different
kind of grudge. I'm talking about a

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hard grudge against some a person.
Yeah that that has been or was yea

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in my life. Yeah, that's
a grudge. But yes, But but

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her to her point is is,
uh, you don't like them for whatever

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reason. Yeah, but that doesn't
reach the level of your grudge, right

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yeah, because she well you what
about this person? I said, well,

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I don't like that person, but
I don't hope it. I don't

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think about him, hold a grudge
against him to the point where you know,

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you must be fun at Christmas parties. Way you don't like anybody.

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That's that's not true. Christmas list
is very short. No, we have

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a very long Christmas list. It
Steve, it's it's it's a select group

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of people. And and the two
additional ones that we came up with one

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was another work related one. Okay, the guy that I told you that

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I fired, okay from at TEP. That guy, because my grudge about

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him is that he wrecked our He
wrecked our department, he wrecked some friendships,

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erect the department, and in a
lot of ways, that was the

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beginning of the end for me at
TEP. Okay, So I hold that

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grudge. If I see him,
I want to punch him in the face,

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all right. The second one is
a guy who I did some business

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with. So he's a guy that
I've known for a really long time.

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You know, you're growing up.
But I did business with him and it

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turned out bad. And if I
see that guy, I'll punch him in

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the face. Now, he might
kick my ass, but I'll get one

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in. You're ready to get it
in. I'll be that that like that

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that dude in the day isn't confused, right, I'll get the first punch

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in, but I might you know, I might lose after that. But

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there's a guy out there that you
know, he did a lot of things

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that you know, I trusted him
with some stuff and and he did a

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lot of things that caused a lot
of problems for me, and so those

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are great, and I think those
are legit grudges. My wife wants me

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to get rid of all of them, and I say, why, just

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because you're carrying all the same I
said, I'm not, I said,

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I mean, you know, I
don't think about him all the time.

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If you bring him up, I
get pissed, right, But I don't

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sit there, and you know,
you know, I'm not trying to go

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to sleep and not thinking about this
person. I can't sleep because I'm thinking

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about this person. It's just that
if I see him, I want to

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drop him. And that's it's as
simple as that. Don't live your wife

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that morning, Well, doude,
don't don't follow his footsteps. You have

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any grudges some fun in your young
life to you, not not not against

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a person, but definitely like teams. Okay, well yeah, but that's

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that's that's not They haven't done you
any harm. Now, those are healthy

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grudges. But yes, the Astros
did me harm, okay, And I

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have a huge grudge against the Astros, but I only think of them in

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the context of sports, which to
me is always about the fun. So

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I don't lose sleep over the Astros, right, you know if they if

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if if if what's his name?
The short guy is walking coming down,

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you know, coming towards me down
the street. You know, as he

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walks by him, I tell him
to f off. But I'm not going

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to fight him, right, I'm
not going to cross the street, you

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know, but you know I'll be
you know, jerk my head or something

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like that. Who's this? Yeah? That was that? What I do

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to you? Yeah? You you
you cheated, you piece of crap.

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So you know those are different,
you know, And it's funny. It's

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not as U is not a grudge. I just don't like them as a

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rival, right, that's not I
got a grudge. You got a grudge.

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I've seen too much heartbreak from them
because of them. Who a issue?

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Yeah? Like and what were you
twelve? So no, I've already

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experienced enough. That half court shot
two years ago with the basketball, Okay,

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I was there for that. It
was a game. Look at this

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the boys the reason holding drap I
didn't. I wasn't expecting not, I

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mean I was. I was there
for that missfield goal. They came back

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from them. I think what twenty
twenty something? You just a little kid,

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oh the block the blocked extra points
to me, and that the twenty

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no from a I think twenty nineteen. I don't remember that. Yeah,

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we're up at home against them,
and uh we just the fourth quarter came

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and we just let it, let
it go. Oh the twenty one points,

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twenty one point take the quarterback,
man, they score. They gave

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up twenty one points in the fourth
quarter and lost. It was like the

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last eight minutes. Yeah, twenty
nineteen, Yeah, twenty four to fourteen.

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No, it was like forty one
something. It might have been twenty

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eighteen then yeah, that one twenty
eight. But see though, to me,

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those aren't grudges. Those are like
horrible days, right you know.

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I uh yeah, he's de fighting
the grudge over here. It's a grudge.

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Yeah, I'll sleep over that.
I guess we all have our fight.

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And you know what, if that's
a grudge to you, then then

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good for you. I'm glad you
have a couple. I'm glad to have

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Steve is just a big weenie.
He doesn't have any No, I have

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other things to worry about. The
grudge. Just play it the next time

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and beatle, that's all, you
know. I really don't like that,

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do you have a grudge against your
ex wife. No. No, At

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the end of the day, Jay, this is how I feel. We

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get what we deserve. We just
do. It all comes back. It

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just it's just what it is.
I don't understand what you mean by the

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poop happens and it gets the level
of poop works its way through the system

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and we get what we deserve.
I mean, honestly, you're tell Tuba

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thing. Eventually the Dodgers will beat
the Astros in turn in a in a

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series or I believe, and it'll
be watched away. I believe in what

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goes around comes yea and eventually they'll
say, you know, okay, I'm

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over it. You know the one, the one can can I make this

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publict I think it has been made
pub The one that I thought was was

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classic was lout and Greg and Bobby
had to come come to that when she

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was on her deathbed and your death. She said, Bobby, I want

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you to Lute, I want you
to uh to to make an American and

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and he did, he did,
and he did uh. That's the most

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famous one that I know personally,
because I was kind of that was okay,

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here here's what okay, so my
wife, My wife thought, she

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said, you you have a you
have a grudge against Lout. I said,

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I do not know you. Well, you always talk about how you

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always talk about how that period of
time where you said he didn't like you

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and you wouldn't talk to you something, and you hate you hated that.

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I said, but that's not a
grud. I don't know. I don't

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even dislike Luke. No, that's
that's not a grudge. That's just the

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work. He said. You know, we we had. There was a

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thing. He got mad at me. He was mad at me for for

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a lot of years. I don't
hold it, you know, anything from

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that, you know. And then
she said, well, you have a

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grudge against the old city editor at
the Star because, you know, because

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because they I couldn't get promoted over
there, and I ultimately left and I

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wanted to be in newspapers and and
and I was, I was, I

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was in the business section. I
wanted to go to the city desk and

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they and they made you know,
I tried to get it. I tried

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to get it. I went in
and said, you know, I'd like

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to make a movie be considered for
you know, any city desk opening,

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and I was told you. I
was told you're not You're not qualified,

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you need to go to editing school. And I'm like, I've been working

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here for a decade. How can
you tell me I'm not qualified? And

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she goes, you're you're and so
she goes, you have a grudguate a

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guy named John Silva. He was
a state editor when I left. Okay,

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don't so. I ended up getting
to try out. They were gonna

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give me a position, but by
that time I got the job of that

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him left. I wanted to be
a newspaper. Well that sort of it.

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That sorted itself out. Yeah,
but that's and that's what I said

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to I said, that's not a
grudge. I said, do I think

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that guy's a big turn? I
said, yeah, he's him and you

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know, a managing editor. I
said, Was I angry at them?

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Yeah? Am I mad at them? Not anymore? Well, that's that's

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I don't know if a grudge can
be considered a dislike or that's what taste.

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Yeah, if I just don't like
somebody, that doesn't mean I have

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a grudge. Again, I just
don't like. But here's the issue.

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Here's the issue, and this is
the mokey thing from you. There's a

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grudge category at a dislike category,
there's probably something else, a kind of

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dislike kind of grudge. You have
a lets, well, yeah, there's

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another. Well there's another there's an
anger. Okay, you know, she

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goes, she goes. That's what
you're You're angry at Lout, I said,

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I stopped being angry at lou years
ago. You were not even covered

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the team the last thirty seven years. Years ago, I stopped being angry

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at Loot over that, you know, over the fact that he didn't talk

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to me for ten years. And
large are open. We could take any

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calls from therapists, kept Leeman,
and you're if you're listening, give us

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a call your help. I do
take I do take a Blue Cross and

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blue shields. It was like couch
Jay, do cop. I'm United Healthcare

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but so but I'm not a complicated
guy. I just have. As you

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said, I've got some compartments out
there and they're they're nice or you know

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order. I know who I don't
like. I know who I'm angry.

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But even the even the angry,
I'm not angry at anybody. I can't

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think of somebody that I'm angry at
that other other than the five people that

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I came up with. That old
brad so that said, or do they

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have it in the reverse for you, like the guy the city editor.

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He says, what the hell?
No, you're not. No, I'm

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not a pimple on his You know
what, son? Why you don't worry

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about that? I don't, That's
what I'm saying. I don't worry about

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that guy that my wife said I
had a grudge against. I said,

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I do not, even I haven't
thought about that guy. And I don't

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know how many years. She goes, well, you were mad that they

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didn't give you, you know,
promote you at the Star. I said,

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I was mad at the time.
Gab. I don't know, Gab,

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I'm sorry, or or you can
thank me later for having you guys

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having conversations. I don't know if
you talk at the house. But this

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is great. It was It was
a fun It was a fun. Uh,

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it was a fun dinner time conversation. My daughter rich She goes,

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I've got grudges and I said,
yes, because she's probably like you.

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Yeah, and then my wife doesn't
have any. I said, because you're

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you're you know you were brought up
that she's as pure as snow and a

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nice woman. You know, that's
my point. How did she find you?

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I don't know, Steve, I
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on the But you know, I
mentioned my parents were two of the biggest

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grudge holders of all mankind. Doesn't
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we do we do well. First
of all, after they got divorced,

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they held against the grudge. They
held against grudges against each other until they

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die. Okay, they'd come over
to an event at our house and one

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had to be in one room and
one hand. How long were they married.

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They were married thirty five years years. Yeah, and then they got

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divorced and they were your parents.
Yeah, oh okay, I thought they

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were married for a long time.
No, they were married thirty five years,

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they got divorced, and then they
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Yeah, you know. But and
then I mean, like, you

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know, my my mom. You
know, she was the ultimate grudge holder.

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That's right. You learned it from
somewhere. Yeah, you learned from

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somewhere, you know. I mean, she would like she would have a

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fight with one of her sisters and
they wouldn't talk for two years. Yeah.

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Well, well it's like I say, my family, Ya, what's

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the point now? Honestly, it's
looks like a car dealer. You just

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said goodbye. Parents are pretty clear. Let's go move on to the next

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one. So you know, man, you're it's not You're not complicated to

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me because I know exactly what it
is, what the listeners are finding out

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about. It quad you finding out
about I'm opening up to our listeners.

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I want them to know me.
This should call and this should be therapy

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Friday or figure it out Friday.
We got to figure it out Friday out

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Friday, you know. Okay,
let's go because we're going to figure it

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out. What Jake Okay, Jake
Fish is gonna come on. Maybe he

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can console us. Well that's Jacob, he's got anything. Oh yeah,

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that would be good. That'd be
a fun conversation. Okay, stick around,

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Hey, welcome back to My on
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Steve Rivera, Peace Cranky Jacobs as
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true. We got one with us
and now we have Jake Fisher form UA

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football player. Our first question to
you, Jacob anything thanks for joining us

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is always a friddy Are you a
grudge? Not so much? Good for

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you? Okay, do you I'm
waiting for the next question. You told

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me it was gonna stomp me something. That's what do you have that?

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Do you have any Is there anybody
out there that you hold a grudge against?

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And by that not a not as
like a sports grudge, right,

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not like a I hate the Houston
Astros or something like that. I mean,

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is there a person in your life
that maybe did something to you that

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to this day you're pissed at them
to the point where if you saw them

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you'd want to beat their ass.
I don't think so, because honestly,

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you're just letting somebody kind of control
your emotions. I mean, there's a

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lot of people I've met that,
or idiots that I you know, I

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wouldn't, you know, go out
of my way to go say hi to.

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But I don't really only grudges.
Okay, smart man, smart man,

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I have grudge. I have gudges. I have grudges, not grudge

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grudge and then wait, wait,
wait, we're not done here. Grudges

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and then kind of just he just
flat out doesn't like and then there's a

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kind of doesn't like. There's a
lot of compartments to the gudge. So

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he's got multiple all right, So
just don't end up on Jay's bathside.

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Well, yeah, no, it
doesn't matter to you if you're on my

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bad side. It's just that there
are people who, yeah, I have

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I have some people on my bad
side, so you know, and look,

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there's grudges and then there's people that
I just don't like. There's a

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difference to me, there's a difference
between that a grudge that I feel like.

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We all have people that we don't
like. Like I said, there's

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there's some people that I would not
go out of my way to go say

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hi to, Like, right,
you know, I see you across the

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room. I'm just not going to
go talk to you because I don't like

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your But no grudges. I have
grudges, yes, and a lot of

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that was my point. That was
my point. What started this Jake was

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back in March, there was a
big story on Mochi Kim Molchi and I

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read it and I said, Chase
a lot like her, and he didn't

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believe me. He didn't believe me. Five three months later, he's finally

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read the story and he says,
I understand the point what you're trying to

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make because she's a grudge holder.
Grudge holder, And now he gets it.

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But he doesn't think he's that bad. But hey, does he have

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insurance with you? Because I think
take blue cross the blue for my therapy

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for him? I do not.
Yeah, but he did text me earlier

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and I was gonna go ahead and
talk, yeah, after we got done

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with the show. Okay, all
right, okay, so you saw my

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email today? Okay, yeah,
sorry, okay, So so Jake,

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real quick, the coach coach Brendan
has a big the press conference in about

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ten days. Uh, what are
you hoping to hear from him? Just

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that you know everyone's ready to go
and that people are you know, continuing

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to do what they did to make
him successful last season. You know,

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I mean it's everything from what I've
heard and just from what I saw last

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year, and you know, with
all the people coming back, it sounds

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like our leadership, you know,
in terms of the players is awesome,

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and it sounds like people really want
to be here. So as long as

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we got good players here, they
buy into the system, and you've got

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good leadership on the team, you
can basically accomplish whatever the hell you want.

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So that's kind of what I'm looking
for. Jake. You've been here

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long enough to know that, you
know, the the year after a great

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year fari zone in football has always
been not so great as a player.

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Uh, you know, how do
you avoid complacency kind of like, you

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know, resting on you know,
what you did last year? Uh,

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those kinds of things going into a
year where people are telling you how great

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you are and how great you're going
to be, and how do you how

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do you keep from listening to that
stuff and and keeping your your focus on

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everything. Well, with us,
we never had a ten win team.

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I think every year that we went
to a bowl game my four years of

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playing. You know, we'll skip
the year that we have the you know,

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all the injury and whatnot when Stoop's
got to let go. But I

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mean, I think we only reached
eight wins every single year. So these

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guys, you know, it's a
little bit different for them. I think

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that you know, listening to an
interview probably about a week ago, they

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basically said that nobody on the team
had had a back to back winning season

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or you know, enjoying this much
success. So I think just because of

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the hard work that they have last
year, the camaraderie, the fact that

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they're coming back, the fact that
you know, they have the basically the

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coaching stat take off on them.
I think they have a point that they

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want to prove, and like I
said, you know, you have great

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leadership in the locker room. So
I don't see a reason why they couldn't

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go ahead and repeat that type of
success. The one thing I'm worried about

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it's going to be a bunch of
new you know, teams that they're playing

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against. You know, a lot
of times when you play the same team

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over and over, there's a level
of, uh, you know, you're

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kind of comfortable, right, you
know exactly what to expect with this,

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you know, going into basically coming
off of ten win season, going to

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Dolmable winning against a former Big twelve
team, and you're playing against a bunch

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of new teams. You know,
you basically just joined their conference. They're

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going to have a point. You
know, they're going to try to prove

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something to you too, right,
So I think every single game you're gonna

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have to come play or someone might
run out of the building. That's just

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kind of where it is. So
they have to show up and play.

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Yeah, yeah, no question.
Do you think do you think that not

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complacency? I don't like that word. But do you think it starts at

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the top or is it the players? It's a little bit of both.

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You know, the coaches are going
to do what coaches do. They're gonna

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give you a game plan. It's
up to you to go ahead and execute.

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And from everything I've heard, you
know, coach Bavers he always puts

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together great offensive game plans. You
already know Coach A. Keene is gonna

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do fine on the defensive end.
And like I said, you've got a

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lot of really, really good upper
classmen that are gonna be playing on both

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sides of the ball. So I
don't really see any mental lapses. If

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there are, they're going to be
very few and far between. Yeah,

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I will tell you, you know, getting back to that whole issue of

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you know, of follow up season. Years later after the the ninety they

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had they had gone ten wins beat
you know, when won the festival.

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Ninety three, ninety four was the
rock solid year, you know, cover

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of Sports Illustrated. And then they
went I think they went in and they

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went to a bowl game, but
it was far below you know what people

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thought. Probably five years later,
I as a Dick told me when we

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were playing base I said, what
happened that year? Dick was why did

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that team go wrong? And he
just said, they didn't do the work.

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That team did not do the work
in the summer, he said,

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they and he used the word complacent. He said, we got the he

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I mean he I think he was
kind of saying the context of the whole

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team, but he just basically said
a lot of our guys just did not

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do the work. They listened to
all these things that were being said about

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him, and we didn't do what
we needed to do and we lost.

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That season went south in the summer, not even once the games began.

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And that that's the thing that I
worry about. Yeah, Well, like

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I said, I think some of
these guys have way too much to prove.

408
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:04.039
I mean, you got you got
three guys that have the potential to

409
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.160
go ahead and be first round draft
picks. On the offensive line, you

410
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.640
lose the guy in the first round, So those other guys are going to

411
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.920
have something to prove. Uh,
you know the quarterback. Everyone talks about

412
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.359
how small he is and all this
other crap. He's gonna have something to

413
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.079
prove. And he's one of the
leaders on the offense. You know the

414
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.119
receiving corps. Hey we just lost
Jacob Cowing. Who's going to be the

415
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.240
guy to step up if they're if
they're blanketing t Mac. You know the

416
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:27.640
running backs he got, uh,
you know the guys that are going to

417
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:32.079
get the majority of the carrier carries. They're coming from other schools. And

418
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.759
on the defensive side of the ball, you lost your defensive coordinator. Obviously

419
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:38.599
you get coach Aquina back, but
I mean you have a brand new defensive

420
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.759
line. They're gonna have something to
prove. Whoever starts next to Jacob Mono,

421
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:47.039
he's gonna have something to prove.
So everybody's coming back with something to

422
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.000
prove. Is kind of the whole
deal here. So I don't see any

423
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:55.279
of these guys really being complacent.
And then once again, your coaching staff

424
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.799
basically took off on you. Thinking
that they're going to greener pastures. So

425
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:00.960
I would have something to prove when
it comes to that too. Yeah,

426
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:03.880
no, I think that. Yeah. I like hearing all of that.

427
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.359
Yeah, because I think you've got
something there, right, So I mean

428
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.519
to prove because some believe that you
probably couldn't do it in the first place,

429
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:11.599
right, Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I get

430
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.640
it. What do you think of
the schedule? I know we probably asked

431
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.319
you a time or two, well
how many wins? Because you and you

432
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.240
nailed it last year, have you
started to think more about it. I'm

433
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.559
still thinking nine or ten wins.
I just think because it's going to be

434
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a bunch of new a bunch of
new teams that you're playing, and because

435
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.279
these guys are going to basically say, okay, well you know this team

436
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.400
won ten games and they're coming off
as crazy, uh you know, seven

437
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.680
game win streak and all this other
stuff. Just going on the road to

438
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.440
a couple of these places. I
just have a feeling we might flip up

439
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.599
a game or two. I think
that if we can go ahead and make

440
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.039
it to the first four games three
and one, we're gonna win ten games.

441
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.079
Okay, because Week three and Week
four is going to be tough.

442
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.400
I mean, you're at Kansas State
and the Utah I think that the Space

443
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.640
game over at UCF is going to
be tough. But I mean a lot

444
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:02.960
of these guys, it's going to
be different. You're not gonna be at

445
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.400
a Stanford right where you've got,
you know, a stadium that can hold

446
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.279
sixty to seventy thousand people and only
like ten thousands show up. You're not

447
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:11.160
gonna have any of that craft.
So you're gonna have to show up and

448
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.119
play every game. Yeah, I
like that, And that's about where we

449
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.240
were. You know, Steve and
I went through the schedule while back,

450
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.119
and you know, and the same
thing. If you can split those the

451
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.880
Kansas the Kansas State and Utah,
thing that that sets you know, sets

452
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.400
you up for everything else because after
that, you know, we're looking at

453
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:37.559
the schedule, Jake, And at
least according to the media pull, after

454
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.160
Kansas State, everybody Arizona plays the
rest of the way out got voted to

455
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:47.480
finish after Arizona in the league.
So conceivably they could be favored in every

456
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.079
one of those games. Maybe the
Central Florida game because it's on the road,

457
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:55.240
they might be an underdog or a
small but it probably a small underdog.

458
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:59.920
But it sets up well after that
Kansas State Utah thing, and if

459
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:00.839
they can, like you said,
if they can win one or two of

460
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.480
those one at least one of those, you're right, the season can be

461
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.920
can be huge. Well then yeah, and then the fact that the Kansas

462
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.920
State game is a non conference game, and the fact that they're missing playing

463
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:17.000
Kansas State, and then I earned
Kansas and Oklahoma State. Those are three

464
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.480
of the top five teams in the
league. So I mean we should be

465
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.200
favored in the vast majority of those
games. And if our offense gets clicking,

466
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.039
I mean after the first couple of
games, I think these guys are

467
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.279
going to be comfortable enough with the
offense that we can start putting up some

468
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.960
ridiculous points just because I think we
have a lot of talent returning. Obviously,

469
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.200
you've got the best receiver in the
entire country, great quarterback for the

470
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.200
you know, starting five coming back
on the offensive line, you know quality

471
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.960
and Jacory. I think those two
are going to be fantastic. So as

472
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.559
long as we have a solid game
play and going and these guys are comfortable,

473
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.240
I think we have a shot against
both Kansas State and Utah and everybody

474
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.640
else that we're going to play after
I'm going to ask you a question that's

475
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.240
not related to any of this and
put you on the spot. So you

476
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.200
played for the end of Stoops,
right, yeah, and the Stoops you

477
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.000
played a lot for for rich Rod
and you've seen the coaches afterward. Could

478
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.400
you have played and I know you
thought the world of rich Rod and his

479
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.920
linebacker guy forget his name now,
the three three five guy? Yeah,

480
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:17.799
yeah, Castiel. So okay,
you played for them, you love them?

481
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.920
Would you you probably would not have
enjoyed playing for for someone? No,

482
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.799
absolutely not. And what about Fisher? I think I would have enjoyed

483
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.920
because, I mean, think about
it, your rock bottom. He comes

484
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.480
in, he has a solid class
coming in, He's you know, those

485
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.119
guys were able to get a lot
of really really good transfers coming in that

486
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.799
can help immediately. And then,
to be honest with you, I mean,

487
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:42.880
you don't care if your coaches and
a hole, You don't care about

488
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.640
any of that crap. If you're
winning ten games, you just don't.

489
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.480
I mean, something's working, so
you're going to buy into the system regardless.

490
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.960
So obviously I think I would have
liked playing for them, you know,

491
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.759
I thought that those other guys enjoyed
playing for him enough that they were

492
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.799
all going to leave to go to
Washington. So apparently they know something that

493
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.440
we don't because we were in the
locker room. But I mean, at

494
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:06.519
the same time, you know you're
gonna enjoy playing for a coaching staff and

495
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.279
a quarterback that helped you get the
ten wins, right, No, I

496
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.880
think you said a lot there because
we've heard the same team. And now

497
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:17.119
what about Brendon what you've heard.
I haven't heard anything bad about any of

498
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.200
the coaches. I mean, you
know, just the fact what they were

499
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:23.960
able to do over you know,
at San Jose I mean that just says

500
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.160
a lot. The fact that they
don't have I mean, they have like

501
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:32.400
high school type athletic facilities, and
then you go to a big twelve school

502
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.240
that you know, the last Staft
did a really good job of putting a

503
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:38.759
lot of money, raising a lot
of money to you know, increase you

504
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.920
know, what they had available to
them. And I just think that if

505
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.920
you're able to constantly get to bowl
games over at San Jose State, I

506
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.799
think you're going to do fine here. Yeah, we're talking to Jake Fisher,

507
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:55.400
our resident football play, our football
expert, because we're always picking your

508
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.440
brain on you know, actually being
in a locker room. So again,

509
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.079
Jake, did the summertime is a
time when as as I you mentioned that,

510
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.000
you know, coaches think that you
can win or lose a season during

511
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.039
the summer. What were your summers
like when you were when you were playing,

512
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.200
say this time of year, there's
still a couple of weeks away from

513
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.920
practice starting, but you know you've
had a long summer. What you know,

514
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.359
what were you trying to do and
how did how did you want to

515
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.680
come out of summer? Come out
of summer knowing that people can count on

516
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.720
you to do your job and hopefully
coming out of summer workouts everything like that

517
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.359
film, knowing that you can trust
the other guys to do their job,

518
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.079
you know what I mean. Like
my freshman year, we had four senior

519
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.640
linebackers, including a nickel ahead of
me. I trusted that they were going

520
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.160
to do their job because they were
all upperclassmen and they're all going to be

521
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:45.599
gone after a year. Sophomore year, we had two brand new Juco guys

522
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.680
come in, so we had to
spend a lot more time getting ready to

523
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.359
go, and we had a lot
of returning good defensive lineman, so we

524
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.240
knew we were going to be able
to you know, scrape off, get

525
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.680
you know, get some tackles,
do our thing. Uh. That next

526
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.279
year was tough because everybody seemed to
get injured, so we were all kind

527
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.200
of like, oh, this might
be a bad year. After that,

528
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.440
it was hey, brand new coaching
staff, We got something to prove.

529
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.880
The year after that, the schedule
got harder and we lost you know,

530
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.880
Matt Scott, who I thought was
perfect for that, for that system,

531
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.440
and I think with an improved defense, I think that we could have we

532
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.160
could have done some good things.
But I mean, obviously DJ did a

533
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.920
good job. I didn't have that
type of feeling that these guys are going

534
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.160
to have because I mean you got
basically, you got three or four guys

535
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.240
on each side of the ball that
are going to be playing in the weekue,

536
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.400
right. You know, we have
that on defense early on, and

537
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:42.359
then we have that on offense my
last two years. But defense, we

538
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.559
just had a bunch of solid guys. So I mean these guys they should

539
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:51.400
have basically all the I mean they
shouldn't know that they're going to win.

540
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:52.880
They just got to go out and
do the work now as you just real

541
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.279
quick because we only have a minute. So ten guys and you don't have

542
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.160
the name names ten guys that come
back, how many actually came ready to

543
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.720
play? Of the ten guys that
came back, No, no, no,

544
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.000
I'm just giving you a random number. So you you had the idea

545
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.480
you can get ready, You're gonna
be ready by the time you come back.

546
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.400
I'm sure there was a time or
two when a couple of guys didn't

547
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.760
do that. Oh absolutely, But
it just seems like this seems a little

548
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.360
different. I mean, you know, I'm just saying it happens. I'm

549
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:27.440
just saying it happens that people aren't
smart enough or tough enough to get ready

550
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.679
for the for the faulp camp.
Oh yeah, yeah, no. There

551
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.280
are some folks that, you know, break under pressure, they don't want

552
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.639
to do the workouts, they fall
behind at the depth and they just wit

553
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.320
yeah yeah, yeah, okay,
no, because it does. It does

554
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.480
happen. No, it does,
of course it does. And that you

555
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.119
know again, that's when expectations don't
get to where right, you know what,

556
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:50.360
what happens doesn't reach expectations. It's
somewhere along the line things when ay

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ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifties.
I'm Steve. I'm getting text from people

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of it. Here's JA. I'm
Steve. Is this well? No,

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we have twenty minutes left before you
get through. Groove on. I gotta

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get my groove on. You do
figure out, figure out. I have

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no grudges. I've been a free
life. I'm going to heaven hopefully.

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Boy are you saying I'm going to
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of crap? Bac the condriition.
There's nowhere in the Ten Commandments it says

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thou shalt not hold grudges. Nowhere
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let's get some clearity here. Your
ticket's been puzzled a long time ago.

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00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.920
Anyway, Okay, there's that.
Okay, I'm with you on that.

611
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.039
But I you know, I don't
need to go to confession over this.

612
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.679
I'm allowed to be. I'm allowed
to have anger if I want to,

613
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.360
or hold grudges if I want to. Now, I'm not allowed to

614
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.679
go beat the hell out of those
people. I mean, that's you know,

615
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.280
that's probably a sin somewhere along the
line, I guess, you know,

616
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.559
but I mean, so so I've
got these little things that that you

617
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:59.599
know that I that I I feel
like they make me whole? No,

618
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:05.360
yeah, sure, sure, why
not be honest to him? I think

619
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:10.239
you have to have a balance exactly, see exactly what it balances me?

620
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.400
What's the balance of what's the balance
you have this really great person, you

621
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.239
have this really bad person you don't
like I have that. Yeah, it

622
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:27.400
balances me, Steve, I like
that. Okay, you're the law justice.

623
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:34.360
Well it's like you said, it's
like a karma. Yeah you come.

624
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.800
Yeah, but what comes wrong goes
around. What's the point? I

625
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.400
mean, honestly, I think Jake's
would point to his point. Do you

626
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.880
let in a rent space in your
head that you don't need the red space

627
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.360
to but yeah, okay, yeah, okay, there's yeah, there's a

628
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.639
there's a little piece, there's a
little corner of my brain that that holds

629
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.400
these grudges there. But as long
as I'm not as long as I'm not

630
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.920
you know, reacting to those all
the time, yea be pissed all the

631
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.159
time because of those, there's no
problem with him. Once in a while,

632
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:05.519
they crop up. Somebody will mention
one of their names or whatever,

633
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.079
and I'll go, oh god,
I hate that, right, I want

634
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.519
to beat that. You know,
it's right there, It's just right there.

635
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.440
I like having that. Any therapists
out there, give us a quick

636
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.000
call, Kevin Leman, please help
me. It's like having an arrow in

637
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.199
the quiver, man, you just
want to pull it out once in a

638
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.719
while and shoot it. I'm wondering
if you're the target of many people too.

639
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:29.199
Oh, I know, I am. There's that, see, there

640
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.039
is that, there's no I know, there's there's probably people out there.

641
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.800
In fact, probably the person that
I told you I hold the grudge on

642
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.400
probably has the same one about me, because you know, he probably feels

643
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.960
I might. I came close to
debrailing sliding him, right, Yeah,

644
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.840
yeah, I get it. Okay, we can move on from that therapy

645
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.800
session already. Yes, okay,
we have we're breaking news from you,

646
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.639
Senor one. Yes, uh coming
up? Yeah, you have. I

647
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.159
think there's plenty, right, there's
a lot. I don't know if it's

648
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.199
a lot of local stuff, but
we'll see. Yeah, recruiting or otherwise.

649
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.960
Okay, anybody call it what to
call. We have eleven minutes.

650
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.320
You guys can save us from this
disaster five to forty. Hey, Rick,

651
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.519
if you're out there, I know
you wanted to call the last couple

652
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.360
days you were at the All Star
Game. I'll let us know what's going

653
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.800
on with that or how how much
fun you had. You know. I

654
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.719
liked what Jake had to say about
this team, even though it's coming off

655
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.199
a ten and three season that they've
still they that they have a lot to

656
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.639
prove, a lot of guys with
a lot to prove one day, you

657
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:35.239
know, one of them maybe being
that they they want to prove that they

658
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.639
can still be really good without Jedfish
you don't running the show. They you

659
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:44.719
know, they stayed here to you
know, to uh uh you know,

660
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.039
you know they're going to the Big
twelve and they you know, they're going

661
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:51.079
to have a lot to prove in
the Big twelve. So I like all

662
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:54.920
that because, you know, I'm
sorry, I just feel like it's easy.

663
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.599
You know, It's like you've done
a really good job on something and

664
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:00.800
you can't I go, got it. That was good, and then you

665
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:06.239
kind of coast for a while,
right, And that's that's you know the

666
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.280
thing that concerns me and what I
feel like may have happened in you know,

667
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:13.639
all of those seasons you know where
we're well, the twenty fifteen season,

668
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.000
after the ten ten win twenty fourteen
season was about injuries they all got

669
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:21.320
you know Scooby right, you know
on Solomon, they all those guys were

670
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.480
getting injured. That I chopped that
up to that one. The ninety nine

671
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.519
season, after the twelve and one
ninety eight season, you know, that

672
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.119
was about the fact that they just
got the hell beat out of my Penn

673
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.079
State. They they got over their
skis a little bit, and we've talked

674
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.639
about that. And then, like
I said, I just happened to you

675
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.360
know, because I was friends with
Dick Tomy and knew him personally. You

676
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.159
know, he just told me that
they just didn't do the work after the

677
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.440
ninety three ten and three. So
so off the top of your head,

678
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.320
give me the best two year stretch
here, the last I don't know,

679
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.000
thirty four years. Well, I
think it goes back to you know,

680
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.679
the the you know, the well
that was fifteen years ago, a couple

681
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.320
of years, you know, when
Jim Young was here, and maybe maybe

682
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:15.559
from the Larry Smith era on god, uh, you might go ooh,

683
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.559
well, you know, rich Rod
had a string where do you go five

684
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:22.079
straight bowl games or something like that
while he was here? How many years

685
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.920
was he four? Four in a
row? You know that stretch? Yeah,

686
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.599
no, because his numbers from great, but you know, but they

687
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.440
were a bunch of seven and five
seasons, right and then and then the

688
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.360
ten and four season, eight and
five and eight and five and ten and

689
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.079
four, So ten and four,
that's eighteen and eighteen and nine, the

690
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:43.199
eight and five, the first eight
and five eight okay, twenty thirteen,

691
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.760
that was that? Yeah, what
what bowl game? Did they go?

692
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.840
Toston? Oh? That was that
Independence Boston College? Okay, yeah,

693
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.320
see that that was not great eighteen
and eighteen and nine in those two years,

694
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.079
but there was so there was one
in uh. I was just had

695
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.480
it. I just had it.
Oh ninety seven, ninety eight, nineteen

696
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.679
and six. Yeah, well again
they went you know, Mexico, they

697
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.079
went, Yeah, they went seven
and five and won the New Mexico Bowl

698
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.559
and then the Dobraska again and then
then they had then the then the next

699
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.840
season was when they beat Nebraska in
the Holiday Bowl. So you know,

700
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:16.519
that's that's it, and that's the
whole point of all this, they've never

701
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.119
really put two great seasons to get
They've had, you know, a good

702
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.360
one and a great one. They
had the one great one and then you

703
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.119
know, the the ninety three season, then thing eight and four ninety four.

704
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:36.079
Right, yeah, how do you
get this? And you can't get

705
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.599
another thing? This is a case
study and all you're, okay, you

706
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:45.199
should be examined for I'm donating my
brain. You got you got that.

707
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.360
It's gotta be a CTE, an
FBI, a m T, a PMS

708
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.239
in there somewhere. I don't know, I don't know what because you remember

709
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.599
this is I have the book in
front of me, but you can't remember

710
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.760
because Steve, that guy, that
guy, my, my, my for

711
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:07.239
and my and there's a group around
me. Our year gets defined by the

712
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:13.119
fall and what happens in football,
right since that determines whether we had a

713
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.960
good year or a bad year in
a lot of cases, you know,

714
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:20.599
and and there were some bad ones, and there was there was you know,

715
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.559
there's been some good ones. But
we it just just said, we

716
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.239
get to this part of the year. Football season's coming up, and it's

717
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.159
kind of like, okay, forget
everything else. That's happened, you know

718
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.440
for the first you know, nine
months of the year, we're headed into

719
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.440
or eight months of the year,
and we're headed into September, okay,

720
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.320
and it's all on the line.
And so we remember what those seasons were

721
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.079
like. I mean, you could
start, you could ask me starting in

722
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.719
nineteen seventy three, what was Arizona's
record in football all the way up to

723
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.800
this year, and I'd be able
to tell you. I would your one

724
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.039
STAFFU was this week with the Jim
Young thing with the gym Young going to

725
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.480
Purdue. Well, I know,
but that wasn't record. Yeah, but

726
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.400
yeah, I just yeah, I
just knew he yeah, I just knew.

727
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.760
He laughed, and then I thought
of Army. But you're right,

728
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.320
he had you know, he'd gone
to Purdue. But I can give you

729
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.599
every Arizona's record every year, started
in nineteen seventy three, I can tell

730
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.000
you what their records were all the
way up to now. So the best

731
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:15.880
back to back that I see,
the seventy four to seventy five yeah under

732
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:19.800
Jim Yes, well, no,
we talked about that. And again,

733
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:22.599
both both of those seasons, it
was like the season ended at the end

734
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.239
of the season. No No,
no bowl games. It was not a

735
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.800
bowl game for Arizona there. Yeah, because the wax champion went to the

736
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.599
festival in both of those years.
Let me ask you school Remembery Lane.

737
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.400
Now Coach Smith, Larry Smith,
he went to to USCUS he had lost

738
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:43.719
to USC that same year. Uh, what was his appeal? What was

739
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.760
his appeal to them? To them
because he had gotten Arizona to you know

740
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.119
they they beatn as U. He
had gotten Arizona, you know, close

741
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.599
to the Rose Bowl. Who's your
coach before USC at USC? Uh?

742
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.679
Is that when John Robinson left?
That might have been when John Robinson.

743
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:06.119
So the the reason I asked him
this was in the he was in the

744
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.719
league. No slight to to coach
Smith. I'm just thinking there had to

745
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:13.039
be other coaches out there that were
pretty name, pretty big names. But

746
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.239
what what was his appeal if he
was kind of like a muddling or middling

747
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.559
Pac twelve. But he was coming
on, he was coming off an eight

748
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.840
and three season. Was this was
a surprise to people here? Yeah?

749
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.920
Oh yeah? So so my point
exactly, how did you gut this guy

750
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.400
who's middling in the in the Pac
ten? You know what I'm saying?

751
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.920
Well, he had beaten a s
U who went to the Rose Bowl that

752
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.800
year. Yeah, Greg, if
you're listening, great, can't you give

753
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.280
me a Yeah, he had beaten
a SU who had who went to I

754
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.519
don't know, I mean, you
know what I'm saying, I do I

755
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.159
do? You know? You think
us he would go get somebody bigger,

756
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:49.559
right, but who I don't know
who were who else? At this particular,

757
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:59.360
I mean, why didn't he go
get See it's my point where GARYL

758
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.760
Rogers Rogers he was, he was
the coach that year, I believe.

759
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.079
Yeah, see you know what I'm
saying. It's it's just, uh,

760
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.159
obviously coach was a pretty pretty good
couch. Why didn't you go get the

761
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.079
guy who just won the league?
Instead you went and got Larry Smith.

762
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.079
I don't know, but maybe there
were other people that they had turned it

763
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:20.880
down or whatever, who knows.
But at that time USC was us C.

764
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.280
You know there, weren't you.
Well us C was when they ended

765
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.800
up with Pete Carroll, who was
like their their fourth or fifth pick,

766
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.119
and that was the great pick.
Yeah, well a great secondary pick.

767
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.679
Yeah, so yeah, you know, Larry did fine. He went he

768
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.039
went back to back Rose bulls.
But you know, he kind of pissed

769
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.360
off the alumni over some some various
stuff and then had a couple of not

770
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.599
great seasons and the next thing you
know, you're he's gone. You know,

771
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.599
did he ever, God, if
I were to do another book,

772
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.920
did he ever regret leaving publicly?
I don't know that he did. Steve,

773
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.639
I don't think he ever said that. I mean, he always you

774
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.320
know, he ended up living here
again, right, so he always considered

775
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.760
Tucson his home after you know,
he moved here. I wouldn't say he

776
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.039
ever regretted it because I think he
you know, he was right. I

777
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:13.440
mean, he went to Missouri,
I had I had a Cheryl on here.

778
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.000
I don't know before you came up
to his son the other place,

779
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.400
Corby Kobe, Yeah, okay,
we can. But I talked the show.

780
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.320
I don't remember asking that question.
But I just remember talking to him

781
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.639
about the rivalry because it was rivalry
and how much he despised she I love

782
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.000
beating him. Very competitive guy.
Uh, maybe we asked her, maybe

783
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.159
we get her ond. I mean
I would say, without knowing for sure,

784
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.199
I would say that if you think
if he were to would be able

785
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.199
to talk about those three jobs.
I would think he would quit that he

786
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.159
had his best time in area Arizona, right, Okay, because of you

787
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.639
know what he was thought of here, you know, the appreciation of this

788
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.480
community had for what he had done
with the program, uh and all that.

789
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.360
You know, he got the you
know he got he started from scratch

790
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.159
and got this program to where he
got to, I mean, got so

791
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.320
good he got the USC job.
I think there was a lot of pressure

792
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.599
on him at USC. So he
remind me if I asked you this question

793
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:09.239
too, I'm just going reminiscing.
Was the distaste or disdain or whatever word

794
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:15.800
for Larry the same or worse or
less than the disdain for Jed leaving the

795
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:20.239
circumstances of a bit oh, I
think you were way more pissed than Larry

796
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:24.840
left because USC was a rival,
right, Arizona was trying to be USC

797
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.800
become USC, and thought they were
on their way to being in the USC,

798
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.119
and then the coach went to the
USC. And then the way he

799
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.280
did it. You know, there
was a whole thing about how they were

800
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.559
flying back from Hawaii. The plane
stopped in LA and he got off the

801
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.880
plane and the team the rest of
the team came home and he stayed in

802
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.280
La to accept the USC job.
That really pissed people off. And then

803
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:51.440
then they cleared out their offices,
you know, at midnight, the coaching

804
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.079
staff did, oh that same night. I don't know if it was that

805
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:58.559
night, but you know, they
came and they were you know, their

806
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.280
offices were full one day and the
next day and everything was gone and the

807
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.480
only one that was left behind was
Mark lunz Foot. So we gotta have

808
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:07.239
him on the show because I've run
into him and he said he'd love to

809
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.559
do it again. So we'll have
him on maybe next week, kind of

810
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.039
reminiscent about that time. Yeah,
okay, no, that that'll be fun.

811
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.159
That'll be fun, because I'm just
curious. I'm just curious because obviously

812
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:19.559
we know what Jed went through,
and the crowded Jed wasn't here long enough

813
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.239
for people to get so attached to
him. People got attached to Larry Smith

814
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.239
and and and you know, plus
Larry, Larry had done the BT A

815
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s U you know, five times
in a row thing, and people they

816
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:34.639
just love that, right, and
then you know, and then you have

817
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.800
this great season. You're you know, you're looking at you like you're gonna

818
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.440
have another great season, and then
he's gone, and and and then again.

819
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Of all places to us, the
only thing he could have done worse

820
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would have been to go to your
A s U and he didn't. People

821
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.760
are really pissed about it. Okay, okay, thanks for the memory Lane

822
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trip. I won't be mad at
you. And you know what, I

823
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:55.840
don't have a grudge against either one
of you guys. They love you,

824
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.840
guys, today, today, today, But don't piss me off. All

825
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right, we'll be right back and
Jan's going to have breaking news.