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What is krack lacking, fellow thermonuclear
a effort. I am Dan fa Valley

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coming at you with my certified fantabulous
co host Grant Hughes, who's on the

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end from being sick. But it's
powering through anyway. He went through a

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live stream at the critical mass of
his illness and now he's powering through for

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our second mailbag of the week because
he cares about you, the listeners,

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or at least the ones who ask
questions on Twitter. This time our first

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The most important question we will ask
that we will always ask, but

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especially now because he's on the men, Grant, how the heck are you

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feeling? I'm feeling better? I
sound worse, although, like I would

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say, I do kind of enjoy
having like the one to two octave lower

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voice today, and maybe it's good
for podcasting, Like you know, everyone

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just kind of like try to keep
your arousal to a minimum out there with

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my deep and sultry voice today.
Yeah, like we it might be an

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aphrodisiac now, but it's going to
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Yeah, I don't get used to
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I sound so well. I don't
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wow, that Grant's voices incredibly you
don't have to figure out a way

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to just like dial it back two
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technology exists. We could definitely mess
with you do sound like you would make

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a lot of money narrating audiobooks right
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you in a window where you can
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over the next couple of days.
Maybe it could do like a truck commercial.

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Yeah, like built Ford Tough.
You definitely have thats going on right

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now. Yeah, how hard is
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sponsor a podcast? Is that?
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We haven't been sponsored by choice.
I've just decided that we don't want

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to make money on the podcast.
This is that would be selling out.

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We want to be like trendy and
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We don't want to sell out.
We want I mean I would sell

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out, you know, especially as
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think you know, built Ford Tough. See, I'm already losing it.

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I don't want to waste it.
We should get into the mail back.

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I'm thanks for mentioning it. Yeah, I would sell I would sell out

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too, and I especially sell out
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Sponsor us those energy drinks, those
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sucker for those. So like a
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one of the three most listened to
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I think top three recorded at this
residence. But before we get into the

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mailbag, we have some news.
Right before we recorded, Woads tweeted that

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Bodo mcdonovich signed a four year,
sixty eight million dollar extension with the Hawks.

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He will decline his eighteen million dollars
player option as part of this deal.

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Before I get Grand's thoughts on it, my one takeaway from this that

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has to do with overarching free agency. It's gonna suck again. There's just

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like all the good free agents or
we don't really see stars hit free agents

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anymore. James Harden might still be
there, and there's the Houston bugaboo.

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Who knows what the fuck Kira will
do. But we're just pulling like top

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ten fifteen names off the board at
this point. What do you think of

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the overall deal for for sixty eight
for Boda mcdonovich. I think just the

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there's no sticker shock at all.
That's my first reaction is that seems like

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a reasonable deal for him. I
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I was, you know, if
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I'm sure everyone that heard you say
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expected to be a now for this
season, would probably be the one everyone's

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yeah yeah, a declined player option
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deal. So I mean, you
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It seemed fine to me. I
think I think Boganovich is a good

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player. I think even with Murray
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role when he's healthy. That's been
a big question. I guess if you're

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critical of this deal, you're probably
concerned about his health. But it's not

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like, you know, because what
does he played forty three games this year,

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sixty three last year forty four before. This stuff is still just it

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always feels like it's cropping up with
him, right, and it seems like

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it's knee. Yeah, it's just
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But like when he's on the floor, he's just a good player.

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He's over forty percent from deep this
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career. He's just scored like metronomically
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scoring average every year of his career, basically other than his rookie seat in

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that's just what he gives you a
good passer, smart player, uh,

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you know, has the size to
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he's slipped defensively as he's you know, gotten through some more injuries and gotten

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deeper into his career. But I
think it too. He's thirty someone who's

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thirty four, which is like a
can. He's old in basketball years for

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sure, for sure, But you
know you're not again, you're not committing

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twenty five million a year to this
guy. And I think it's it's a

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salary that makes sense for his role. But the sort of the fallout for

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the Hawks, you know, down
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balance sheets, I think is the
more interesting angle. You want to

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talk about that, Yeah, And
I will say he is so critical.

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I don't think they could a lot
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him because of the the cap sheet
stuff. Once you traded Kevin Hurd,

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you couldn't lose him. He is
so important. You're a three point volume

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and overall spacing. Uh. Their
effective field goal percentage this year improves by

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three point two percentage points with him
on the court. That is the highest

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increase on the team. And it
rates the ninetieth percentile of the league,

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and he just does wonders for their
spacing. And I think he's even more

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important if you're trying to make lineups
without Trey that have Dejante Murray work.

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as important to the team as well. And you know you're gonna play a

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big in Capella or Niko Ko who's
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actually, I'm fine with the number. I mean, this takes him through

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his age thirty three thirty four season. There's always a risk there, But

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eighteen million dollars, you know,
three years from now, is going to

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be what of the salary cap,
maybe fifteen percent of it the projected salary

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cap in what's going to be the
second year of this deal. If he's

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at if he keeps an average,
we haven't seen what the raises are,

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it's gonna be twelve percent of the
salary cap by year two. If he's

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at a flat eighteen million, that's
that's nothing for a guy who's this good.

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What is interesting, though, So
if we pencil him in for eighteen

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million dollars next year, the Hawks
their team salary. This is including you

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know, Garrison Matthews, Bruno,
Fernando, and Vic Crashy all have non

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guaranteed deals. They're so small I'm
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rid of them, you're gonna have
to fill most of those spots with minimum

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roster charges that come close to these
two million dollars hits. Anyway, you're

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at plus your first round pick,
which right now is projected to fall just

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outside the lottery at number fifteen,
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point four million dollars. The tax
line right now is projected to be at

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one sixty two. So are the
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mid level exception that are gonna pay
the tax? Get my gut? Says

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no, Tony Wrestler can say.
I think he went on the radio one

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boards like, gonna be willing to
pay the tax. No, you're not

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Kevin Hurder on the team. If
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to pay the tax, where the
fuck is Kevin Hurder? He's killing it

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for Sacramento is where he is.
So my reaction to this is it was

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absolutely, unequivocally a need to keep
you, you non negotiable. You needed

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Bogdanovitch moving forward, one of John
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getting traded over the offseason. My
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Maybe they prefer to move Cappella,
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left on his deal, Like do
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trust him to be your big of
the future. And you're high on Jellen

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Johnson and you're thinking, we can
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to plug a bunch of minutes.
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this to me screams if anyone thought
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a salary dump, it now feels
more likely than ever. They've changed head

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coaches, they've turned over the front
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again smart and I wouldn't just trade. We're both on the same page with

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John Collins for the most part.
I wouldn't trade him for nothing. I

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actually think that he could still be
a really good player. Maybe, as

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you mentioned off air, we're just
describing too much too well. If that

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finger. It's gotta be the finger, Like he'll eventually be fine. Maybe

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we're wrong there. I'm just I'm
officially at the point even though John Collins

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has been in trade rumors for roughly
two decades without being moved, I do

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not think he'll be on the Hawks
next I will actually be shocked at this

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point if he's on Atlanta next year. Yeah, I mean, all signs

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that pointed to him being moved and
he hasn't. And as you were talking,

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I was looking up, like maybe
the three point shots coming around now.

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Twenty two point seven percent in March, twenty two point two percent in

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February. He's got one month over
thirty percent this year. I haven't looked

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in the past few games, but
his minutes are down under Quinn Snyder two

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right, Like that's been something he's
down. He's he's playing twenty four point

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eight minutes per game in March almost, I think. Yeah, Schnyder's been

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at the Helm for all of March
and a couple of February games. Yeah,

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this is the lowest he's played,
scoring nine points a game in March.

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That he's just he's being minimized,
and like it's hard to you know,

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it's just a little correct decision for
a guy that's just not going to

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threaten anybody from the perimeter, and
like, you know, it has not

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been valuable when he can't do that. So I think I think we have

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both been kind of on the been
of the same mind that like it's it's

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like, why isn't he a positive
value guy? Like why can't you?

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And maybe that maybe just like the
Hawks now are are gonna have to be

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in a position where we just need
to get his salary off the books.

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Forget the fact that like he's not
helping us, We just we can't pay

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this much for this five hundred team. So they have to give up an

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asset to get off him, which
like they're not exactly long on those because

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of the Murray trade, and you
know, really that's the main thing.

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But like they're not in a position
where they can be paying to get off

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of bad money. Like that's that's
what you need to give up an asset

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to get rid of him. Just
keep him, I like you can't maybe

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right, maybe maybe just hope that
that his finger heels and he does get

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back to just being a league average
three point shooter, even if that's low

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volume. You know, maybe that's
the play and maybe you know you just

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wait it out. I don't know. I don't know, but i'd agree

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with to back up, I agree
with you that if they're gonna, I

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think they do need to make a
move now to get cheaper and moving him

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into somebody's cap space makes the most
sense. Do you think to wrap up

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on this, do you think that
Day fucked up here or because by not

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even trying to pair him with Capella
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strengths as a screener inherently, but
then also going and getting another ball dominant

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guard into John Day Murray? Was
this eminently predictable? Or is it more

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so on it was actually worth trying
out because John Collins is good and it's

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the in theory, is very scalable
offensively and playing the four is going to

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be his best defensive position anyway.
So, like, do you like,

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do the Hawks deserve from criticism here
for not moving him sooner? I mean,

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I think if there were deals out
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like I don't think the thinking was
flawed because if he's making you know,

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like he shot thirty six point four
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he's shooting that well from three this
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he's never been a high volume guy. But if he's taking like three

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three's a game and hitting at that
rate, I don't think. I don't

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think we're having this conversation one because
maybe they would have been able to trade

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him for positive value if that's just
the decision they were going to make,

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because the difference between twenty five percent
and thirty six percent, it is difficult

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to overstate, like in terms of
three point percentage because like it's just it's

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massive. So if they yeah,
I don't think I can put a lot

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of this on the Hawks unless they
had some golden opportunity they passed on,

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because just if you assume you're getting
the version of John Collins that has existed

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for the last like four years,
even since he was a rookie thirty four

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percent as a rookie, that'd be
fine. You could get away with that.

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I just don't know how they could
have predicted unless it was super obvious

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that that finger injury was gonna make
it so that he's just never going to

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be able to shoot again. I
don't know how they could have seen a

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dip like this coming, because I
mean, we haven't looked this up,

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but like year over year, who
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past, you know, So that
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that you saw some of the struggles
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involved before this year, as soon
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seeing if that could work, because
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spotty with Clint Capella. Just in
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just even if he was efficient,
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hinted at saying some things, and
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I get the appeal of but at
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going to move Collins as part of
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as part of another deal. I
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like in that leadership being in large, contributed to that at all, And

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we don't know what offers were at
the DENMO. We know he was going

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to Phoenix. We don't know what
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him, but like now, the
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if they get more than like a
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just like a cheaper collection of players. I mean, I kind of think,

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you know, we've we've mostly been
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we're taking sides between him and the
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kind of an inherently tricky player to
integrate because he's not really a foreign he's

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not really a five. It would
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five, because then you get a
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you would have if if he could
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then the other thing is I think
maybe under disgust is a Capella contract looks

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pretty bad. But even at the
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a way to defend the rim and
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and Capella does those things, so
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Hawks have made a lot of decisions
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for that, just now that we're
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them, it's the total pictures is
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Report live stream the other day.
They're actually killing it. When Collins Capella

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Hunter Martin right on the court,
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even with Collins not being at his
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like sixty percent of what he was
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that much better. And so maybe
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we spent most of the time the
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do think though this actually says more
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Bogdanovitch is Yeah. I mean,
last thing too that you just made me

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think of is maybe is the Collins
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conjunction with Bogdanovitch being back for four
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like, now this Quinn Snyder coach
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bit more like the Utah team that
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gonna have a rim, rolling big
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everywhere else, because you know,
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together a lot and boy on Bogdanovitch
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if you're gonna you could theoretically,
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could hold up for starters minutes,
but you could play him with Murray and

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with Trey and Hunters are four and
now you kind of have a weird jazz

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esque look where there's more shot creators. There's kind of a fulcrum in the

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middle that catches lobs and set screens. I think it certainly at least feels

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like the type of team that Snyder
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out of the mix and get a
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facet to it. I think the
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that like checks out as kind of
the logical reasoning behind the resigning. How's

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that we recorded basically an emergency podcast
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you come here? Let's dig into
this mailbag. I want to ask you

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this question from pistons all day.
As my dogs are barking in the background,

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I want to try and mute as
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Cam Johnson get paid as a retricted
free agent? Yeah, so we talked

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about I think the twenty five million
dollar figure was thrown out on a previous

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pot, and we both thought less
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see him getting that much or more
just because of market scarcity. You said,

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you, you know, you said
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a rough free agency. There's not
a lot of options out there. I

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looked at it as who's he competing
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small forwards and combo forwards, And
that's basically Harrison Barnes is the only potential

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free agent that I would put sort
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going to be like a low twenties
guy probably, But you mentioned a couple

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other guys that I'll let you talk
about as comps. But so there's Brian

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Lewis of the New York Posts reported
that there's an expectation of like eighteen to

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twenty million a year, which,
like, you know, Cam Johnson's twenty

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seven, that seems about right to
me, Like I think that's a reasonable

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number. He's a very good shooter, he can hold up on defense,

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He's played a meaningful role for a
very good Phoenix Suns team. I just

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think the weakness of the crop and
the fact that you know he's he's he's

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good at the things you need a
good role player to excel at. So

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he's pretty plug and play. So
that might mean there's more offers if a

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gun to my head, I don't
know that he gets to twenty five eighteen

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to twenty low twenties feels reasonable to
me over what probably four years. Yeah,

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Look, he has more of a
floor game too. I think that

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you could have scorn. He's scoring
a bunch more in Brooklyn is two point

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efficiency is held up, his threes
have come up a little bit, and

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just the sheer volume. Even if
he's at thirty four point seven percent and

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you're taking seven plus three is a
game. There's a on a value in

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that. I think what would hurt
his market is he is feels like a

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he's not so one position on defense, but he's kind of a four point

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two five, Like you're not gonna
play him at the five, You're not

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gonna play him at the three.
Either or at least you shouldn't, and

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there's a the market for that is, yeah, they'll be teams. But

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you also have Grant Williams and PJ
Washington who are a little bit more multi

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positional, where if you're a team
with cap space, they're both younger.

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So if you're OKAYC, if you're
Indiana, do you take a look at

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them first? But like, there's
only so many of those guys that go

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around, and both of them might
stay with their current teams Boston maybe like

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Grant Williams walking at the office hide
enough. I don't think Charlotte, let's

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PJ Washington walk. And so if
you are an OKAC, Kim Johnson makes

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sense next to Chet. He's not
super old, doesn't command a ton of

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touches on offense, so he's not
gonna disrupt what you're doing there or on

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defense. I wouldn't hate his fit
there. Him and Miles Turner would be

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a very interesting ye court like that
would be you let that's someone who because

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he's spotting up around Miles Turner most
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turn or even explore more of what
he's done this season where he's just improved

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decision making on the ball, gotten
roll of the basket more so. I

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can see the Pacers with a thunder
getting involved. But like some of the

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other teams with cap space, Houston, I would say, no, like

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they don't. They're just so clogged
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Shane gun And or Jabari Smith.
Like other teams with cap space, Detroit

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doesn't really need him anymore. They
have so many biggs. He'd be a

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better fit than most of the biggs
that are on their roster. But you

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have Dran James Wise been showing a
bunch of flashes sins being there. So

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I look at Indian Okay, see
Orlando can get to cap space, but

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like, no, I can't really
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but he's still he's like too old. You're not gonna go after that.

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And so Utah as well. They
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and Cam Johnson in theory be cheaper
than John Collins, but you're not.

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He's a restricted free agent, so
you know you're gonna have to pay through

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the teeth to get him out of
Brooklyn. And I think of the teams

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I mentioned, like Indiana, might
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they could be the closest to being
ready to win where I think Okaysee is

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getting there, But because they don't
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and I think we're just inherently more
conservative with how they approach their spending.

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That would be the team and so
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there are two teams that might come
over the top, and like that's other

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players will probably have more expansive markets, would be my guest. Yeah,

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I think just looking at the makeup
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well, the Nets have a glut
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and combo forwards, so that he
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keep him. And two, I
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Smith on the same team and in
the same lineups like kind of eases some

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of the lack of defensive versatility that
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you know, you probably aren't super
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but you can if you have the
versatility at any other position, get Royce

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O'Neill throw him in there too,
who's got it? I think he's like

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nine million bucks non guaranteed next year, but they'll they'll be back. So

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I think maybe that suggests that the
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are a better team for him to
stick with, and someplace else he might

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go if all things being you know, all things being equal, did you

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want to pluck a question for us? Yeah? Do you want to look?

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Do you want to do the Diallo
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So we have to This is from
Lazarus Jackson. What's Hamau Diallo's free

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agency outlook to you? Looking for
an outside perspective? We should mention first

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that he sprained his ankle and is
out for the year now, so it's

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very appropriate to be They said three
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they have lots to play for.
So those last couple of wins, I've

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been really impressed with him this season. I'm curious. What's interesting to me

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is so since December thirty first,
he's shooting over forty eight percent from mid

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range. Now those shots are coming
as like kind of floaters or pushes and

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like long layups. I would call
them, and the pull up jumper has

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been sub thirty eight percent. But
it's just like he looks a lot more

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comfortable. Defenses are going to sag
off him, but like if he's turning

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a corner or if he's just taking
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he looks very comfortable pulling up.
And if you believe in that pull up

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jumper as not like a crutch of
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and you're gonna surround him with even
more spacing than Detroit did. I think

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that could inflate his market quite a
bit because you look at what else he

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does. He gets out in transition. He's done a great job of just

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cutting in from the corners this year, and defense are gonna play so far

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off him that if he can be
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dishes from guys who are gonna drive, that becomes huge. He can get

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to the foul line. It would
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and then you can even see like
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his hands. I do think even
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on paint touches and elbow touches.
This year, there's a part when he

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is driving and in his drive field
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first stretch and he's doing a little
bit more. It does feel like he

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blends this lack of fear and getting
to the foul line, like, oh,

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yeah, he's fine getting into the
basket. But then it might also

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be in his head that hey,
I'm shooting under sixty percent from the free

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throw line because he takes these weird, tough angled layups or does an extra

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mover, gets too far unto the
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and isn't going to get fouled in
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same time, when he's in transition
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he can get fouled. And so
if he can even shoot like sixty nine

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percent from the free throw line,
that's going to increase his value. But

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like I said, he is the
jumper is a concern because they've just decided,

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especially since December thirty first, like
I think he's taken six or seven

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three pointers that he's not gonna that's
fine, but it does intrinsically limit how

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you build out the roster, not
around him, but like who he could

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play with. You're not building around
how to Fallo. I will say,

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if you trust the pull up jumper, you're a team that likes to play

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with pace, and you're gonna let
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Detroit, I'm not crazy about their
spacing overall, but they've done a

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good job getting him to duck in
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do it, I can envision space
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think that changes his value a bunch
and some numbers that would probably be float

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around if people be like, well
you can probably get him like four or

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five six million, I'm thinking more
mini mid level, which is in the

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seven plus million dollars, like if
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part of that is too, like
I know this when you look at what

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he does defensively for them. Part
of this is how Detroit likes to defend

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this season. But like he's defended
DeMar Derozen, He's defended Emmanuel quickly,

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He's defended Jannis. This year's like
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Basically one through four. So as
someone who's six five and assuming there's

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no long term issues with the ankle, plays with the physicality to guard that

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many spots. Would I be shocked
if he got closer to the non taxpayer

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mid level than the mini mid level. Probably not, but I would.

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I think, like that's seven to
eight nine million dollars range over the course

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of three years. If he gets
a four year deal, my guests would

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be it's for the like the MIDI
mid level or less would be My guests

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00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,039
like, he takes long term security
while a team goes. We want that

406
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:18,440
more digestible cap number. But I
do think despite his offensive growth, which

407
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,839
has been super again forty eight percent
from mid range on, I think it's

408
00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:23,839
like thirty three attempts, it's not
even if they're coming as floaters, like

409
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,640
that's not nothing, and you watch
him and just like there's the IQ on

410
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,480
the ball to get to his spots. I will say more turnovers than assist

411
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,160
this year, and this has been
that hasn't happened every year. But like

412
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,599
when you look at some of the
passes he sorts, this isn't someone who

413
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,920
is even if you don't necessarily trust
his handle. This isn't someone who's losing

414
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,119
the ball on his handle, Like
he just throws a lot of questionable passes.

415
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:51,039
Some of that this year, I
do think is owed to the confines

416
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,839
in which he works within Detroit's offense. But like that's a like that's it's

417
00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:57,599
not a red flag, but it's
something you need to consider where there's not

418
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:03,279
you know, multi dimensional decision making
with him on the ball. But the

419
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,200
I think it will come down to
how much do you believe in his ability

420
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,279
to score from that mid range area, again, not as a crutch,

421
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,880
but as a safety valven what he's
done before his injury, you know,

422
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:17,839
for most of the season at that
point, I think firmly puts him into

423
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,680
the mini MLI territory. Yeah,
that's annoying because I had the Mini MLI

424
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,759
as like with the feels about right
pay grade for him, though, if

425
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,279
you would like, did you come
up with teams for him? I got

426
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:36,279
no teams. I think just broadly, I think like if you're gonna pay

427
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,519
him more than that, if you're
gonna go maybe the full mid level,

428
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,279
you have to sort of view him
as the like a Bruce Brown brought me

429
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,119
a different player, or a Gary
Payton the second that was really like a

430
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,960
minimally threatening three point shot away from
being like viable as a six man or

431
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,720
even a starter or a closer just
because of like, you know, you

432
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:00,440
mentioned some of it, but like
there are not a lot of guards that

433
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,480
are more difficult to keep off the
offensive boards in the league like period,

434
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:07,519
and there are not a lot of
guys that can you know, super high

435
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:12,319
steel rap. He's insanely active,
super energetic, like messes the game up

436
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,400
for the other team when he's in
there, does like so many good things

437
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,519
that you know, he's good on
the defensive glass too. He's just awesome

438
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,720
at everything that involves you know,
energy, effort, athleticism, like great

439
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,680
at that stuff. So like if
you're gonna pay him nine or ten or

440
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,759
whatever the full mL is going to
be, you sort of have to assume

441
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:36,319
that this abandonment of the three point
shot this season is just like this is

442
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,559
what Detroit needed him to do this
year or decided was the right call,

443
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,440
But this is not what he's going
to be going forward. Because if if

444
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,240
that's not, if it is the
case that he just is not going to

445
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,759
shoot threes, It's just never been
harder for that type of player to like

446
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:53,920
do anything helpful on a good team. So I think, like there's a

447
00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,279
lot to believe in. There's but
there's just that one glaring issue. It

448
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,680
is it is encouraging that he has
improved in other areas offensively, especially lately

449
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,440
like you mentioned, But I'm not
going past the mini mid level, especially

450
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,359
if I'm a good team that like
needs to needs him to give me like

451
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,880
fifteen eighteen minutes. If I am
not really sure that I can get him

452
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,160
in and get him to just take
threes at least right like even just the

453
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,720
threat of it would would help.
He's not even it's not a threat.

454
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,480
Now he has to score, you
know on offensive rebounds and cuts, which

455
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,359
he is good at, but that's
just not to me sustainable. Where do

456
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,759
you see him going? What teams
do you like him so any? I

457
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680
have some that I think could pay
him more than the mini emil E,

458
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:38,359
but the ones that I would be
most there are a bunch of teams that

459
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:41,759
I think might throw him, maybe
not a bunch, but would throw him

460
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,799
the mini Emily. But I think
my three favorite spots would be Dallas,

461
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,039
Denver, depending on what happens with
Bruce Brown, I don't think they're going

462
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,160
to be able to afford to keep
him, and he's not again, he's

463
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,000
not a perfect approximation, but if
you're losing Bruce Brown, your options are

464
00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:00,240
going to be limited there. And
then my other one would have been what

465
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,039
was my other one? Where's why
didn't I write it's Oh Phoenix. I

466
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,880
thought it would be super interesting for
him just because they don't need the shooting

467
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:07,680
and they could just get him moving
away from the ball. And I think

468
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,480
if you want to play smaller for
some of these teams, you mentioned his

469
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,000
defensive rebounding, like we've seen that
rate ticked down, But you have to

470
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,319
look at some of the lineups he's
in and like the people he's playing with

471
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,319
in the front court, the teams
that I could see there are two teams

472
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:23,119
and so like he doesn't necessarily he
lines perfectly with one of their time wins

473
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,559
that's Indie where they're just like kind
of short on wings. He's six five,

474
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,359
so he's not like a true three. But you look at what he

475
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,079
can do positionally on defense, look
at how they like to play or offense,

476
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,400
like they run a lot of just
all out lineups. He's gonna have

477
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,039
plenty of space to work, and
they like to get up and down the

478
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,279
floor when Tyrese Haliburton's in the game. So I could see them just being

479
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:44,519
like, we're not gonna get a
really good wing in the free agent market.

480
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,680
We're looking to win now when we
take this lottery pick two years,

481
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,559
twenty two million or whatever it is. Like I could see that team.

482
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,200
And I also thought about Utah.
I don't know how committed they're gonna be

483
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:57,039
actually wanting to win next year,
but you have so much cap space.

484
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,880
You don't really have a ton of
wings, and it's just to provide some

485
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,000
stability or coherence to your perimeter defense. And we have because you have lowry

486
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,519
marketing. And there might be let's
say they keep Kelly Olynnick around two,

487
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,839
that's gonna be a front court Like
those are gonna be minutes you play,

488
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:15,680
you can play if you have both
your front court spots. Yeah, maybe

489
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,720
it's an iffy fit with Walker Kessler, but even if you play Kessler and

490
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,400
Dlo together, you're always going to
have three other shooters on the court with

491
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,960
them. So those were the two
teams that I were like, could they

492
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
go the two year out, Like
even if it's two years and twenty four

493
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,680
million or something, just because he
fills a need, and I think for

494
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,279
the Pacers he fills a more urgent
need because the Jazz aren't going to be

495
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,519
in a rush to really do anything
there, and they do have a page

496
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,240
to monitor, but like they don't
just have They don't have a ton of

497
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,880
wing prospects. Maybe they don't get
maybe some in this year's draft, but

498
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,880
I think Indie would be a team
I would keep my eye on if he's

499
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,480
gonna go for the minimid level or
even the like, is there a non

500
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:56,559
taxpayermid level team that I could see
like kind of coming through here. That's

501
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,599
where it gets like super challenging,
is well, what's the non taxpayer because

502
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,160
it's Chicago, Like, is that
a team that might look at him for

503
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,960
the actual nontax paymid level. I
don't. I don't really know there.

504
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,000
They need more help on offense than
they do defense actually, and so I

505
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,359
don't know that he would be like
the best fit there. Uh, the

506
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,440
Lakers are only gonna have the miniml
E. Miami probably only has the miniml

507
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,960
E. There's a lot of teams
with only the mini mL EVE. This

508
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,400
year. That's the other team that
makes this challengeing. It's like you either

509
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,839
have cap space or the mini mL
E. Cleveland might have the full mL

510
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,680
E. But I don't love him
for the three spot. I'd like someone

511
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,759
who's gonna shoot it. He doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't solve the problem

512
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:34,240
for them. Really, No,
I mean that's gonna be the challenge.

513
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,079
It's just I think I'm trying to
think of like where are the shot doctors,

514
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920
you know, like maybe you get
him to okay, see, maybe

515
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,200
you get the union. Yeah,
yeah, somebody somebody to sort that out.

516
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:48,880
He's a guy. I think we
both agree. He's a good player.

517
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,400
He's just that the shooting is just
that's that's so if you had to

518
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,480
go we're spending so much time on
breaking habitudialo right now. But I'm gonna

519
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,039
get so the over under is I'm
is a eight million dollars a year.

520
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,880
You're taking the over the under on
that, I'd go under, I'd go

521
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,640
under. I'm gonna take the over
all, Right, he's gonna's not a

522
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,640
one year deal for twenty for twenty
million dollars to somebody, Now, I'm

523
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,319
gonna win this. Uh, let's
find another question. Here we're moving at

524
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:20,279
a batter pace. Oh, this
one is built for you. It's from

525
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,160
s GA Stanka. Are the Kings
going to win the Pacific Division? Asking

526
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:27,279
for a friend? Like, of
course they are? Right? What they're

527
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,519
what are they? I looked this
up. I got them. They're four

528
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:35,079
and a half up on Phoenix,
which is the only team that I wouldn't

529
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,000
I mean, unless you think the
Warriors are gonna go on a run.

530
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:38,359
But they're not allowed to win road
game, so that's gonna be tough.

531
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,119
And they're they're four and a half, they're not allowed. You didn't know

532
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,920
that it's true, it's I mean, how else do you interpret what's happened

533
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,000
this year? And they have like
they're not they're not gonna catch Denver.

534
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,240
But I think in that locker room
they could convince themselves that, like that's

535
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,359
a possibility because they're four and a
half back of Denver for the first the

536
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,839
number one seed, So I think
I just that's where they're gonna be,

537
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,519
right, Like, what what would
have to happen for them to Keaven Grant

538
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,519
was playing? I might be like, well, I could just see Phoenix

539
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,680
never losing again, even if they're
only half asset, but yeah, yeah,

540
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,039
I mean I think the more because
we know John Morant is coming back.

541
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,079
He had the most effective counseling ever
that only needed like a week or

542
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,680
whatever it was to work. But
like the bigger or the I don't even

543
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,960
know if it's spicy, but like, is are the King's gonna finish?

544
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Like second or third in the Western
Conference? Is the And I might even

545
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200
say at this point, I'm just
gonna be like, well, they're in

546
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,359
second right now, they're tied and
lost Commorandes coming back for the Grizzlies,

547
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,480
But I think I might I'm picking
the Kings to finish second anyway. The

548
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:45,119
Grizzlies don't have Steven Adams or Brandon
Clark right now. And I also just

549
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,240
we know how I feel about the
Grizzlies, Like I call them frauds every

550
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,839
chance that I get. So I
think that they're they're not just gonna win

551
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,359
the Pacific. I think they're going
to be the prohibitive two seed. And

552
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,359
I will say, I don't know
if you saw that we we this podcast

553
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:05,319
published a podcast with Greg. I
think people depending on the matchup, like

554
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:07,880
if they run into the Warriors,
okay, but like what if it's the

555
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,639
Lakers. I know the Wolves have
played them well this year, but it's

556
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,519
all been without Towns. I think
if they have both their bigs available,

557
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,679
that gets iffy. But like I
think people, at least through the first

558
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,960
round, there's gonna be a wake
up call for a lot of people.

559
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,920
With the Kings, We've talked a
lot, maybe not about the Kings,

560
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,239
but we've talked a lot about how
their defense, despite not being good,

561
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,559
actually makes a lot of sense when
you look at their shot profile, the

562
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,559
things they do well. The Heat
are the only team in the league that

563
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,079
do a better job of defending opponents
deep into the shot clock. I don't

564
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:37,800
know if that holds up in the
playoffs, but like if it does,

565
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,440
there's a lot of low hanging fruit
they gobble up that I think makes them,

566
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,400
when you have the best offense in
the world, more threatening than meets

567
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:54,360
the eye. I guess yeah,
I think I'm difficult Warriors fan. I've

568
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,960
been banging the drum on the location
based effective field goal presentage for them all

569
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,280
year of how it's just like,
yeah, their defense is bottom five,

570
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,519
but if you look at the shots
they're allowing, it's could be fringe top

571
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,800
ten or whatever, like that is
a real you know, we're three quarters

572
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,079
plus through, you know, eighty
percent of the way through the season or

573
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,159
whatever it is, and like that, that's still that's a real thing to

574
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:16,320
me. I think in a lot
of ways, all you can do on

575
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,320
defense is just limit high expected value
shots, and the Kings are pretty good

576
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,280
at that. But then I just
run up against the like the zoom out,

577
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:31,039
you know, fact of you're you
need Sabonus on the floor to run

578
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:35,440
this great offense. I mean,
generally speaking, I think he's an awesome

579
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,719
offensive player. Like he's just so
good. I'm doing all NBA teams right

580
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,880
now, and like it's killing me
to figure out a way to get him

581
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,840
on there. I don't know if
I can do it as a third team

582
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,519
center. But he's just not a
good rim protector. He's just not good

583
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:52,760
at it. And you're gonna combine
that with I think the Kings are generally

584
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,960
gonna have at least one other suspect
defender on the court, and and that's

585
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,400
just they're gonna have to win,
you know, one thirty five to one

586
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,840
thirty, and they're just that doesn't
seem to happen in the playoffs, So

587
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,440
I don't know what the matchup is
where I would clearly favor them in the

588
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,800
first round. I think, I
think in most cases I would pick them

589
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,400
to lose a first round series most
likely. But and it's just because I'm

590
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,320
struggling to remember a team with a
defense this bad, even though there's underlying

591
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,719
stuff that suggests it's not quite that
bad that I would feel good about picking

592
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,320
to win a playoff series, you
know what I mean? Like, I

593
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,400
got two ideas working, and I'm
just defaulting too. I don't believe in

594
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,760
the defense. So let's do this
Kings versus Timberwolves. Can I flip a

595
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,239
coin on that one? I think? I mean the Kings. The Kings

596
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,880
should win. That they should win
that right, Okay, maybe that's one

597
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,760
I would I think they could win. If that's the two seven Kings versus

598
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,000
Mavericks, I would pick the Maps
to win that series. Really, Yeah,

599
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,280
the Kings actually like might be able
to defend for a little bit,

600
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,719
and they how are they defending the
Mavericks? Explain how h davy On Mitchell

601
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,639
will probably have to play, which
would really hurt their offense. Yeah,

602
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:06,119
I mean, I don't I don't
love the Mavericks, but if you're telling

603
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,000
me that this is gonna be an
offensive series, I'm gonna pick the team

604
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,840
that has Luca and Kyrie irving based
although like there's more. It feels like

605
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,559
there's more variability caked into Dallas's offense
because it's so perimeter driven, where like

606
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:23,239
between Sabonus, Daron Fox's blistering spee, even what Monk has done on drives

607
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,039
that there might just and like even
the off boss stuff that's happening, they

608
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,440
have more avenues to score. I
would argue the Kings can score one hundred

609
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,159
and forty points per game in more
ways than the Mavericks. Does that make

610
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,159
sense? I guess. So I
just think that the way the Mavericks can

611
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:43,679
do it seems more likely to me. I just I look, I don't

612
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,960
want to shot on the Kings.
We just said they're gonna win the division.

613
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:50,440
Can Yeah, you wanted to pick
out another question? Yeah, so

614
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:52,679
this one, well, I just
kind of mentioned the all NBA thing,

615
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,679
So because I want to have a
conversation with you about this. This from

616
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,679
Old Dirty Dasher. So Kawhi has
played forty one games. Lebron has played

617
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,920
forty seven Katie has forty two,
Kawai should be considered an All NBA team,

618
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,280
It should be eligible for an All
NBA team. I will say there

619
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,280
is no like minimum threshold as far
as I'm aware. I do know that

620
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,360
in the will be well, yeah, maybe, and that's probably a good

621
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,039
thing. But so generally speaking,
the fewest games that anyone's ever made an

622
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,719
All NBA team playing you gotta go
way back to Gus Johnson in nineteen sixty

623
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:30,199
five played forty one in the last
Lebron played forty five in twenty twenty one,

624
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,440
but that was the COVID season,
so there are fewer games. Dwayne

625
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,519
Wade lockout season and eleven twelve played
forty nine. Basically, you got to

626
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:45,239
play like minimum forty nine or fifty. So that's historically there's no codified rule

627
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:51,440
on that, and I am struggling
mightily to pick all NBA teams right now

628
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:53,480
for an article I'm working on for
Bleacher Report, because there's so many guys

629
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,679
that are in the low to mid
forties that may or may not hit that

630
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,320
fifty game threshold, and three of
them are are here. U I will

631
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,159
probably probably hit it because there's only
two or three back to backs left for

632
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,159
the Clippers, and he's been playing
every game, But what is your what

633
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,119
is your thought on that? Like
I guess, so really it gets to

634
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:15,239
what do you think the criteria for
all NBA even are. So I'm I

635
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,679
don't know if you separate it all
from MVP, but I'm more inclined to

636
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,199
weight availability when it comes to value
in the MVP discussion because that is such

637
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:27,719
a big part of value, whereas
all MBA I view it is just like

638
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,639
you're trying to find the best players, and if they've played a reasonable amount

639
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:35,559
of time, I think it might
be like sixteen hundred minutes or something.

640
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,400
For me maybe seventeen hundred and so
I look at total minutes more than I

641
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:45,559
look at games played for all NBA
and even MVP, and so like right

642
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:50,039
now Kawai has paid played a fewer
minutes still then Lebron, steph NKD.

643
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:54,199
I think he'll probably surpass at least
two of those guys in KD and Lebron.

644
00:39:55,119 --> 00:40:00,559
Am I gonna pick him over Kadi
and Lebron? It depends. It

645
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,239
will depend a little bit on the
minute threshold. But he's been an absolute

646
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,280
killer for you know, like you
said. He started playing in every game

647
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,000
minus back to backs since December fifth, so that's been thirty seven games during

648
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:14,840
that stretch. Five attempts from three
per game, shooting forty four percent,

649
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,559
almost twenty six points, almost four
assists, one point five steals. He's

650
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,440
just been shooting an absurd percent.
Inside the arc. He looks like for

651
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,039
the most part, Kauai. There
are still games where you go through and

652
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:29,760
it's like oh, but for the
most part he looks a lot like dominant,

653
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:31,840
and so if he ends up,
if it comes down to I think

654
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,320
if we're talking about Durant, because
positions matter in all MBA, Durant,

655
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,559
Lebron, and Kauai is like,
I think Kauai is probably the most likely

656
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,840
to make it at this point because
I don't know when Durand and Lebron is

657
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,880
coming back, and so if it
comes down to you can't fit all three

658
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,440
of these guys in as of right
now. As someone who hasn't gone through

659
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,840
a teams yet, and you and
I will do podcasts on it, we

660
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,519
should probably do that, like the
beginning of April or whatever, I think

661
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,159
Kawai is going to get priority to
me. He continues to play in every

662
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,519
game, and I don't think he's
been like, I don't know if the

663
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,320
nature of this question suggests that he's
been dismissed from I don't think he's been

664
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,280
dismissed from the discussion. I think
he's right there for sure. Yeah,

665
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,119
I haven't dismissed him because I mean, I had this. It's so funny

666
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:20,320
we have this question because I had
this exact issue of like can I because

667
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,119
I look at you similarly to how
you do. It's like just who are

668
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:27,079
the best guys that played? You
know enough basically, and you cannot make

669
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,920
an argument that Kauai is to not
make this team the seventh best forward in

670
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,480
the league, Like that's insane.
You know, he's he's closer to the

671
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,840
seventh. He's probably inside the seventh
best player discussion, like full stop if

672
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,519
he's out there and you know healthy. So I think, yes, he

673
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,079
should be eligible for me to feel
good about it, this thing I'm working

674
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:50,519
on, he's I really need to
feel good he's gonna get the fifty games

675
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,000
because that's my like arbitrary cutoff that
I've I've said, right, and I

676
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,280
get that, but but like even
Durant, because Durant let's say Durant doesn't

677
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,920
play another game. How do we
keep Durant off of an All NBA team

678
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,400
based on, like, when he
was healthy, what he did and he's

679
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,320
gonna play like, I mean,
he insulted Edmund Sumner, So that's how

680
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,760
you keep Yeah, well, it's
not an all the All NBA Best Teammate

681
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,840
award, it's are the best tactful
evaluation of your teammates award. But yeah,

682
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,559
I mean I think I think the
All NBA team is really more and

683
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:24,679
this is such a like a cliche
thing, but it's more like when you

684
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,400
look back at this season, who
were just the best guys that year?

685
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,960
It's not it's totally separate to me
from like, there's a cumulative value aspect

686
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,039
to the MVP race that I just
don't think it is quite the same for

687
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,280
All NBA. So you get to
fifty or anywhere in that neighborhood, I'm

688
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:46,039
good with it. What is interesting
is could the results be fudged if the

689
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:51,599
league does what it typically does and
just makes these centers eligible at forward?

690
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,599
Where I don't think because I don't
people aren't going to be like clamoring to

691
00:42:54,599 --> 00:43:00,159
get Gobet on there. But between
Auto Bio Yo Kitchen bid SA bonus if

692
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:04,360
those guys are eligible forward, if
Anthony Davis is eligible, So those are

693
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,119
like between those five players, five
players the bonus Bama Baio Davis yogach an

694
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:12,280
embide. If there's a rush to
get all five of those guys who have

695
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,480
played more minutes, well, Davis
is like kind of around Kawai territory.

696
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:20,039
But to get all five of those
guys on an all NBA team, that

697
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,800
then is where I think you start
to look at okay, like is that

698
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,159
gonna cost Kawai or Kevin durandam Lebron
because I think right now the only forward

699
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:31,599
locks for me, correct me if
I'm wrong, Jayson Tatum and Jannis And

700
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:36,639
then like that's like locks, and
I think people are gonna there's gonna be

701
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:40,440
cases made for Siaka rightful cases,
They're gonna be cases made for Julius Randall.

702
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:44,920
I don't think I do you think
Jimmy Butler's a forward? Jimmy Butler

703
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,719
should be on one of those teams. Yeah, So like it's let's I

704
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,280
got a sub question. This is
from not Grant Hughes at all, one

705
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,199
hundred percent. I swear so and
yogatch An Embiid in some order on first

706
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,880
and second team. I have Yo
gets first team right now. You could

707
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,199
talk me out of that really easily
and have him beat on there. That's

708
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:02,280
how close it is. But you
have to pick a third team center,

709
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,199
and we're not going to fudge positions, and you've got to choose between Davis,

710
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,559
Sabonis, and say and throw Bam
in there, because I think those

711
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:13,400
are the only three you'd seriously look
at. What do you well, I'm

712
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,840
picking Anthony Davis, and I feel
horrible about it because I don't know if

713
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,679
he's going to get the games threshold
that I've set. But like I mean,

714
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,880
Jesus Christ, like he's third in
the fourth in the league, right

715
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,360
behind Embiid and Raptor and just you
know, basically has been a defensive player

716
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,400
of the year when he's been on
the court. I just can't And that's

717
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:35,679
again I said, we're not going
to shoot on the Kings that short Sabonis

718
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,199
in a big way. But I
have to put Anthony Davis is my third

719
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:42,440
center. Can you talk me out
of that? Yes? And I know

720
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,960
I said that it doesn't necessarily matter
about that, but like Sabonis does have

721
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,360
like an eight hundred minute advantage at
this point, which is quite sizeable,

722
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,519
and he is more of an offensive
engine for his team than Davis is for

723
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,519
the Lakers. And you look at
the solo minutes, He's always gonna need

724
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:59,519
to be on the court with another
creator. Sabonis does not need to be.

725
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:01,320
Now, it's sort of flip plops
when you're talking about defensively, he

726
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:07,159
needs to be insulated and Davis does
not. But the Kings are winning regardless

727
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,280
of not insulating him very well.
And I think it kind of proves that

728
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,000
having a better offense is more important. You want to have balance, but

729
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,119
it's more important than having a better
defense. And I do think for as

730
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,480
good as Anthony Davis has been,
especially for smaller stretches on offense, there's

731
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,119
a limit to how far he can
carry an offense without a requisite amount of

732
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,800
talent and help around him that doesn't
exist at least as narrowly for Sabonus.

733
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,920
To me, I think I would
pick Sabonus over Davis at this point is

734
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,920
awfully and the minutes again I say
it, don't wait it as much,

735
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,559
but when you're looking at if the
cases are actually arguable and you're looking at

736
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,360
it's like statistically they're arguable, and
then there's an eight hundred minute gap.

737
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,639
How are you not to you you
would have to think my tie break here,

738
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:58,800
but you would have to think that
Anthony Davis has been like substantially more

739
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,800
valuable to his team then, or
better better excuse me this year then sabonus

740
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,960
to just ignore that eight hundred minute
gap. Follow Up, the playoffs start

741
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,920
tomorrow and you get to pick one
center who's not Embiid or Yokich and you

742
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,199
need to win a playoff series.
Do you pick Davis or do you pick

743
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,480
Sabonis? Because I picked Davis,
I might pick damn out of Bio.

744
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,920
You can pick Bam, you can
pick This is a regular season award,

745
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,599
is what is what gets I'm just
saying that Davis, Yes, I'm picking

746
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,719
up right. So that's why I'm
having a hard time with this because I

747
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,880
think my criteria scus closer to that
question, like just who's the guy you

748
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,159
got to have based on this year? And so to me, that's a

749
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:42,880
no brainer picking Davis over even over
out of Baio. I think I mean

750
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,119
you gotta say, like, well, he's not he's gonna fall down in

751
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,400
game two and then be out for
the rest of the series. Like,

752
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,079
yeah, I guess, but I
just this is all this This is to

753
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,760
say all NBA, all NBA team
criteria is really hard and hazy and fuzzy,

754
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,039
and it might even be trickier than
MVP because you can't just count on

755
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,000
on this guy played twenty more games
than that guy. Of course that's more

756
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,519
valuable. It's just it's real fuzzy. Yeah, that was a tough That

757
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:10,679
was a great two questions. Shout
out to Old Dirty Dasher and not Not

758
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,679
Christ. Thanks. Do you want
to take us out of here? Yeah?

759
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,800
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