1 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,759 What up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Let's Ask Paul, the 2 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:39,479 podcast where I, Paul Abernati, attempt to answer all of your pressing questions 3 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:46,520 submitted through our online portal at Paul abernathy dot com. Now many people send 4 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:52,280 me questions by email, text and whatnot, and sadly, many times I 5 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,039 have to tell them, you know, you gotta go repost this on Paul 6 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:59,560 Abernati dot com because we have disclaimers and things like that that have to be 7 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,920 adhered to. Obviously when you're a corporation like we are, and I'm answering 8 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,519 questions for folks, and we have to make sure that we go through the 9 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:10,480 proper channels. 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Not that I don't care about the other 34 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,319 aspects of obviously I do, But grounding and bonding is where I like to 35 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:59,879 spend a lot. I spend a lot of my time in grounding and bonding. 36 00:02:59,879 --> 00:03:01,879 So so check that out. No, there's no discount coupon's codes. 37 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:07,560 The price is already crazily low for what you get in our platform. Just 38 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:12,759 go check it out over on fasttracksystem dot com f A S T T R 39 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,159 A X S Y S T E M dot com and look for grounding and 40 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:21,520 bonding. Okay, all right, so let's go on and get into some 41 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,680 questions that we have that been submitted, and I want to make sure that 42 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:27,840 I kind of get a couple of these, and then we'll answer other questions 43 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:30,560 as well. And then I have some other stuff that people sent that I 44 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,960 want to make sure that I get answers to for you in this episode. 45 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,759 All right. The first one that was sent to me and it was sent 46 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,560 through the portal and asked Paul Portal, and it says I was checking and 47 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:50,919 see what size breaker I need for an AC compressor thirty five am maxim excuse 48 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:57,879 me, thirty five maximum overcurrent protective device twenty nine point one minimum circuit opacity, 49 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:00,840 And of course he gives the r L at nineteen amp years, which 50 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:06,360 is irrelevant since you're going by name plate information. So you're you're not designed, 51 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,039 You're not doing this using the NEC right, You're you're actually going to 52 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,000 use the name plate here. So it says what size is better? If 53 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:20,160 better to run eight two for and by the way over on TikTok, I 54 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,399 don't know why everybody thinks that I would ever have anybody join me for a 55 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:28,439 live It's not how I do it. Sorry, so I have to decline 56 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:31,879 whoever sent that? All right? So it says, wasn't sure if better 57 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,720 to run an eight two for thirty five amps? Or is a thirty am 58 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:41,920 breaker sufficient? Okay, So here's a couple of things about that. First 59 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:45,560 of all, you'll be following the name plate, so maximum over current protection 60 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,399 is a maximum? Could you be less than that? Absolutely? Is there 61 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:54,000 a chance that it won't hold on initial in rush and start absolutely. So 62 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:58,279 the easiest thing is to follow the manufacturer. Okay. So if they say 63 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,439 the maximum is thirty five am maximum overcurrent protection and the minimum circuit opacity is 64 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:09,519 twenty nine point one, right, so that's generally what you're going to follow. 65 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,519 Okay, So in this case you're not. You know, if you 66 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:15,040 want to put it on a thirty amp overcurrent device, go for it. 67 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,160 That type of thing. Now, what we want to look at in the 68 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,040 code. If you have your codebook and those that are following along that are 69 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,759 listening in a car or wherever you're at, that's okay. You can just 70 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,800 listen to it and we can talk about it. You can go home and 71 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,759 replay it and re listen to this and grab your codebook, whatever you want 72 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:35,319 to do. But the first thing I would go look at is to look 73 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:41,000 at the standard overcurrent devices that are in two forty dot six AKSE. So 74 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,639 this is a table that tells you what the standard size overcurrent protected devices is. 75 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Now I will tell you that you can get overcurrent protected device that are 76 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,199 non standardized, right, And for example, they might say a forty and 77 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,079 then a forty five, and then it says a fifty, right, and 78 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,920 then it seems to jump to sixty. Well, they may make a forty 79 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,199 five non standard size and you could use that. This is just a list 80 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:10,639 of the standard size over current protected devices. Okay. In this case, 81 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:14,639 the thirty five amp is one of is listed in this table. Okay, 82 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,639 so the maximum overcurrent And here it didn't say whether it was fuses of circuit 83 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:24,839 breakers. It didn't specifically denote that it was just fuses. Right, so 84 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,759 it's not going to matter. So it's a thirty five amp overcurrent protected device. 85 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,639 Now it says the minimum circuit opacity is twenty nine point one amps. 86 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,759 Right, So what you've got to do is I noticed you say eight to 87 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,360 two. So you're probably talking about nomatalita cable. Remembering that nonmatallogy cable cannot 88 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,720 run outside of the building. Okay, but it can poke through as long 89 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:49,360 as none of the sheathing is considered outside of the building. It pokes through 90 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:51,759 into the back of the disconnect. Can you run eight too, Well, 91 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,920 here's the thing you want to do. Since you're talking about no other conditions 92 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,439 of use and you're talking about eight two, so it makes me think you're 93 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,279 talking about non metallic sheet cable. Of course, you could be talking about 94 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,199 UF as well. But we'll just go with the premise that you mean eight 95 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,560 two is non metallic sheet cable. So what you want to do is you 96 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,560 want to go to ampacities, right, and you're gonna go to three ten 97 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,240 sixteen, Right, that's the table that's your apacities. Of course it's non 98 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,680 metallic sheat cable. Of course you can go look at three thirty four dot 99 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,959 eighty and see that it says that you can use ninety for adjustment and corrective 100 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:25,720 purposes. But the end of the day, you can't exceed the value that 101 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:30,160 would be under the sixty degree column, right, And so we're just going 102 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:32,639 to jump to that sixty degree column. And you have to excuse me because 103 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:39,319 I have so much screen that I have to go and actually move everything so 104 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,839 I can see what the frick is going on? All right, So let's 105 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,720 see here. So under the sixty degree column, you say you want eight 106 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,040 for forty, right, and then you see that a ten is good for 107 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:57,000 thirty, right, So if the minimum circuit ampacity is twenty nine point one 108 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:01,639 amps, under the sixty degree a ten age is good for thirty ams. 109 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:07,439 So a ten gauge copper would be fine, it's fine for that. Oay, 110 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,040 now this is all already done on the nameplate. Right now, you're 111 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,639 probably saying, well, wait a minute, we'll wait a minute. You 112 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,279 have that little asterix there that says, wait a minute. That asterisk says 113 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:22,720 that you have to protect the conductor at its opacity. You go to to 114 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:24,639 forty dot four and it's going to tell you that a ten gauge has to 115 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:31,519 be protected at thirty It's true that you might think that, But when you 116 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,080 go to to forty dot four, right, and you go down to two 117 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,120 forty dot four and you start looking at it, and you'll speak going down 118 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,240 and going well, what about the small conductor rules to forty dot four D, 119 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,200 and you notice that says, unless specifically permitted in two forty dot four 120 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,440 E or G, the overcurrent protection shall not exceed that required by two forty 121 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:56,279 dot four D one through D eight. And of course that's where you see 122 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:00,480 the ten gauge is protected at thirty AMS. But you you got to go 123 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,600 down and look at G. And if you look at G, you'll notice 124 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:09,519 that in that table it specifically calls out air conditioning, refrigeration equipment, circuit 125 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:16,440 conductors and it gives you a reference to for forty part three, part four, 126 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:20,759 and part six. Well, that's where it's going to ultimately end up 127 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,240 telling you that you just follow the name plate to keep it simple. And 128 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:31,440 it's perfectly okay to do that, all right, So just kind of keep 129 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:37,120 that in mind. Is this is an example where the small conductor rules are 130 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:39,960 not going to apply. That's another example of that would be motors, for 131 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,480 example, because if you look at this list, motors is on this list, 132 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:48,679 right, and so it's important to the thing about code that really gets 133 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,000 people is that it's it's everybody wants this to be extremely easy document, right, 134 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Why doesn't it just flow like that? It can't flow like that. 135 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,320 You have to This is why electricians, to me, it's such an amazing 136 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:07,240 craft because we have to learn that too forty issues are going to apply to 137 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,840 the overcurrent device. We could have enclosure issues apply in three twelve, you 138 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,200 have the four forty conditions apply for air conditioning equipment, and then you can 139 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,240 have specific motors that could apply in four to thirty. You've got to learn 140 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,039 to navigate all that stuff and be able to put these pieces together. That's 141 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,159 why you get the big bucks folks. Right, So hopefully that helped answer 142 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,840 your question. But in your case, thirty five amps maximum overcurrent. That's 143 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,159 a maximum, so that is fine. That's a standard size. And then 144 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,120 the minimum circuit apacity is twenty nine point one. Then a ten gage is 145 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,039 good for thirty amps under the sixty degree column. You're perfectly fine for that. 146 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,639 There's no need for you to drop down to a thirty can you, 147 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,480 yes, because remember that thirty five max is a max. You can go 148 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,519 less, but there's a chance that it will not handle that in rush and 149 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:03,159 sudden starting and all that kind of stuff, unless maybe you have something like 150 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,600 soft starts or something. But other than that, just follow the nameplate. 151 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:13,080 Okay, pretty straightforward, all right. So that was that question. Let's 152 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,919 see if we can answer another one. All right, all right, okay, 153 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,759 so let me look and see what we've got here. We have another 154 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,159 question that was submitted through the portal, and it says, are you allowed 155 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:31,000 to install a light switch in a bathroom next to a tub or shower? 156 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Okay, So one of the things that we want to look on this is 157 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,799 Okay, now we know that there is rules and there's always been rules about 158 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,320 receptacles and proximities and things like that. So this one's talking about just the 159 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,960 switch and he wants to know about installing it next to a bath tubble shower. 160 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,759 Now, you didn't give code reference, right, you didn't give it 161 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:56,240 code cycle. And I encourage people to please always give me whatever cycle of 162 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,639 the NEC that you're working on, because for me, it allows me to 163 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:09,360 be able to be as detailed as possible based on the code cycle that you're 164 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:13,519 working on. Okay, so again that to me, it's important, all 165 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,200 right. So what we want to look at is four zero four, which 166 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,519 is for switches. In case you're a student out there and you're like studying 167 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,200 for the code and you're like four zero four, you want to get used 168 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,720 to all those code references, right, so that when you're sitting on an 169 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,639 exam or it's really nice when you're out in the field, right and you 170 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:31,519 can just quote these things off right, makes it so much easier. It 171 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:37,159 makes life easier, and it's impressive when you can just quote off code. 172 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,279 Right. So four zero four is for switches, and what I want to 173 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,759 look at four zero four dot four damp and wet locations. It says you 174 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:50,559 have an item C it says switches in tub or shower spaces. It says 175 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:56,200 switches shall not be installed within tub or shower spaces unless installed as part of 176 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:03,279 the listed tub or shower assembly. Okay, so this is talking about switches 177 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:09,480 that are actually inside the tub or shower space. Okay, not talking about 178 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:18,159 proximity to it that type of thing. So it is more specifically about within 179 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,120 that space. And this is the twenty twenty three AEC. I don't see 180 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:28,600 anything that would have a you know, more of a proximity thing to the 181 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:33,879 tub or shower, and I believe it is uh in Canada. I believe 182 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:39,679 Canada Canadian rules have their own little thing about that. Now, interesting enough, 183 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,759 we understand that everything gets bonded, box bonded most of the time. 184 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:52,200 The switch is non metallic, plates are non metallic, and you have screws, 185 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:54,279 you know, the screws and all that type of stuff. Then you 186 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,399 have to make sure that you know everything is is properly bonded. Of course, 187 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:00,240 they're going to screw into the device, right and that advice it's going 188 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:05,600 to be bonded to the box or through an equipment bonding jumper or connected to 189 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:07,360 the equipment ground of conductors and all that kind of stuff, so it should 190 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:13,000 not be an issue. So I am not aware of and I could be 191 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,200 wrong, but I'm not aware. I'm not seeing anything right up front about 192 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,799 the you know, being next to the shower. Right, it's not in 193 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,399 the shower, it's not in the footprint. Now, what's ironic with that 194 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:31,480 is obviously you have an application when it comes to receptacles, and it's very 195 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:35,600 specific about that, right. It talks about those type of bathtub and shower 196 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,759 spaces. Right, So for receptacles, and I know that wasn't the question, 197 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,960 but for zero six dot nine, and I'm in the twenty twenty three 198 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,960 and you go down to C it says bathtub and shower space. It says 199 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,360 receptacles shall not be installed inside the tub or shower or within a zone measured 200 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,799 three feet from the outside edge of the bathtub. So that's that zone three 201 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:01,080 foot eight foot, you know that zone. Not mounted in those zones, 202 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,559 and it does not want a receptacle. So that's the general rule for that. 203 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:13,440 Okay, a couple exceptions to that, but that's the general rule to 204 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,879 that. I won't get into the exceptions. We're just talk general rule because 205 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:20,720 that's receptacles, and that wasn't the that wasn't the gist of the question that 206 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:22,919 was asked, so we went to four zero four. I didn't see anything 207 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,360 that prohibits you being right next to it that type of thing. But just 208 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,919 to be aware that is a violation in Canada, I believe they do have 209 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,080 a switch issue violation. There's my dog hollering, so he's being very vocal 210 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,600 today. All right, so hopefully that answers that question. I'm not aware 211 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:46,080 of anything that would do that, all right, all right, so welcome 212 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,759 back here to another question. And on this question, it's pretty straightforward. 213 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:56,039 Somebody says, Hey, Paul, I'm a master electrician in Texas and I 214 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,879 want to get into your CMBCP program. What do I have to do in 215 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,080 What are the benefits of becoming a CMECP. Okay, great question, not 216 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:07,919 really code related, but I figured i'd answer this question for you. So 217 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,639 a little bit of backstory. I created the CMMECP program and had all those 218 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:19,440 acronyms trademarked and everything and created this program back I believe is like twenty sixteen, 219 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:26,799 twenty seventeen, and the whole concept of the CMECP program was to take 220 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:29,639 your knowledge to the next level. You know, master electricians they get their 221 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,679 master license and that's it, right. They just they feel like that's that's 222 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,720 it. That's they just stop. And I didn't like that. I wanted 223 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:42,480 to help master electricians take their game to the next level. I wanted to 224 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:48,320 help them keep continuing educating. And people say, well, Paul, isn't 225 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,240 it just a money grab for you to create a certification program? And the 226 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:52,960 answer to that is absolutely not. If you look at the price of it, 227 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:56,639 I hardly charge you anything for it, and I have not charged renewal 228 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:00,720 fees for any of our cmmecps since the enception of the program. I could 229 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,839 be hitting them with the renewal every two years, I could be sending them 230 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:10,960 invoices, and I don't because I believe that it's more important to develop the 231 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,279 program and have people committed to the program and understand it and what it can 232 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,279 do for you. Whether it's for marketing, whether it's for self esteem, 233 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,680 whether it's for internal promotion, whether it's for whatever. You choose to use 234 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,200 it, and that's up to you to use it. That way. The 235 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:32,599 process is pretty simple. You apply for it, go to CMECP dot org. 236 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,000 You apply for it, you send in your application fee, which I 237 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:40,839 believe is one fifty that allows us to do the background check, check your 238 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,640 licenses, verify that you're a master electrician. That covers all of your proctor's 239 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,079 exams when it's time to do those. It covers all the grading of our 240 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:55,279 course as you go move through the program, and it also once you do 241 00:17:55,319 --> 00:18:00,079 that, once you're cleared, then you'll you will order your CEME ACP program 242 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:06,119 and basically you get the program at cost, where everybody else is, you 243 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,599 know, typically paying a lot more five and six hundred dollars. You're getting 244 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:14,480 it at cost, and you go through the program. You got six months 245 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:18,559 to complete the online portion. Then after that you have a proctered exam ask 246 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:23,079 any of our cmecps. It's very challenging, and once you pass that proctered 247 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:26,920 exam, it's a recorded exam, and then you go on and you have 248 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,319 to do an essay. In the past, we had what's called a five 249 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,000 on one where you had to get questions asked by five of cbcps. They're 250 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:40,400 all peers. But again during COVID, it was hard to get everybody the 251 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,920 same time and it's still a challenge. So we resulted to doing what's called 252 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,599 an essay at the final stage. And what you do is you do an 253 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,079 essay on any part of the code that you feel comfortable. That's at least 254 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,680 a five hundred to one thousand word essay, and you you you explain or 255 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,559 you teach an aspect of the NEC to us. And what it does is 256 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,720 I don't grade that. What I do is I send that to our board. 257 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,799 Okay, they're candidate review board, and they will give a thumbs up 258 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,359 or thumbs down. The percentage of people that make it to that final stage 259 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,680 is very low, okay. And it's not because it's hard. Code is 260 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:23,160 code. How many times have you heard me say that code is code? 261 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:26,920 But if you're a master electrician and you want to enhance your skills, you 262 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,359 always want to test your knowledge, and that's what the program does. It 263 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,920 tests your knowledge. It makes sure that you understand the key fundamentals of calculations, 264 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:41,440 the key fundamentals of the NEEC. Maybe you're a leader in your company, 265 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,759 the owner of the company, whatever it is. It tests your knowledge 266 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:49,119 and makes it validated because then you complete it and you have to get you 267 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,720 have to complete the course successfully, go through the course, pass every unit 268 00:19:53,880 --> 00:20:00,480 as every element exam, and once you pass that within six months, which 269 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,240 again people think that sounds easy, but we all have life. That happens, 270 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,480 and so a lot of times the students get caught up in time and 271 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,680 they just run out of time, and we don't make exceptions for anybody. 272 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,680 You run out of time, then what happens is you either have to start 273 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,440 the process over again because we don't give you a second chance in that program. 274 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,599 That's not what we do there. So the percentage of passing the program 275 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:29,359 is very low because life just gets in the way, you know, family, 276 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,440 business, kids, you run out of time. Very few people have 277 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,279 ever failed out or flunked out of it, very few. That's not the 278 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,359 issue why people don't finish our CEBCP program. It's usually the time factor. 279 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Now, once you pass the online part, the proctered exam, recorded exam, 280 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:51,759 and the essay, it all happens pretty rapidly. So once you finish, 281 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,640 you have to do the proctered recorded exam with the d thirty days of 282 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:59,839 ending your program, and then you have up to thirty additional days to get 283 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:06,240 you your essay in okay. So really you have eight months total to complete 284 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,000 the entire process, but the online portion has to be done in six months, 285 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:11,319 and it can be done. We have cmecps that have done it. 286 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:18,519 Jay Grunberg done it. Okay. If you really want to test your knowledge 287 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,200 and really feel confident, if you're a code geek and this is the thing 288 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:25,599 for you and you get to use the acronym, you get to use it 289 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,759 in marketing promotion. However you deem fit, you've earned it, and we 290 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:33,519 record that and we make it available to anybody that wants to challenge your certification. 291 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,599 That's part of the bylaws. We actually keep it recorded and we keep 292 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,559 it on file so that we have all those proctered exams are recorded and kept 293 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:47,319 on file, and so if anybody inquires about your certification, you get a 294 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,640 certificate. If they inquire about it, we will let them know how you 295 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,279 did. So again, people want to know what does that give me? 296 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,759 I know, it's famous over on that whole forum where they're like, well, 297 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,119 I wouldn't do that. It's because they're so self conscious anyway, but 298 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:04,680 they don't want anybody to challenge them. They don't see the value in saying, 299 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,359 look, I'm gonna step outside of my comfort zone and just test my 300 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,440 knowledge. You don't have to tell everybody if you don't want. But this 301 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:15,759 is certainly not a money grab by me. We're a corporation. This is 302 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,480 this is part of validation of your licensure, no difference, And you go 303 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:25,079 to get ic C certifications no different than you might go to get an NFPA 304 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,119 certification. Voluntary certifications being what they are, whether some endite accepts it or 305 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,559 not, we can't control that, and we're not going to try to control 306 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:38,799 that. So it is very much to enhance your marketing. What elevates you 307 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,599 over the competition. Why would you put it on your business card to enhance 308 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,000 over somebody else. Those are many things that you do with that, right, 309 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:52,759 and so the reasoning behind all that is that it can enhance you, 310 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:59,279 right. So anyway, those are those are some of the things that that 311 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,359 we that are benefits for the CMACP program. If you're interested in it, 312 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,200 go to CMACP dot org and read all about it. If you want to 313 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,799 get in the program, submit your application, But immediately it's not going to 314 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,200 do you any good to just submit your application. We have some people out 315 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,039 there that are in the Q waiting, and we've let them known that you 316 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,359 can submit your app but nothing will be done until you pay the one hundred 317 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,680 and fifty dollars to pay for the time that's going to invest in validating you 318 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:30,119 before we move on to the next step. Okay, so you know there 319 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,440 are costs involved with it, but the costs are so fricking low for the 320 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,000 certification program and everything that's involved that it's not even funny. Nobody's getting rich 321 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,279 on that, I promise you, And we don't want everybody. I can 322 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:45,160 promise you. I do not want everybody in that program. I do not, 323 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,200 So it's not right for everybody. If it's not right for you, 324 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,839 Rather than bash it, you don't understand it, you're not in it, 325 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,799 you don't know it, just shut up and move on. That's my advice 326 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:59,079 on that. So hopefully that answers that question. For the CMACP program, 327 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,559 we'd love to have you in it if you're a master. Also, I 328 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:06,400 would be remiss if I didn't tell you that we have a journeyman program. 329 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:11,359 It's the apprenticeship program, and it's the best of both worlds because really what 330 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,319 it is is it allows you to go in there as a journeyman electrician. 331 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,559 If you're studying become a math Most people don't know about this program. You 332 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:22,880 can go in and get into the apprenticeship program and you can get the same 333 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:26,960 study course that you would get if you were a fast track student, right, 334 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:32,119 and you get to go through the program. The only caveat is that 335 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:37,440 by the end of twelve months you have to be ready to take your math. 336 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:40,920 You have to have already passed your masters, because that's the whole point, 337 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,400 right. So once you do that, Let's say you get into our 338 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,119 apprenticeship program under the CEMECP program, and eight months from now you pass your 339 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,960 master's exam because you're studying for the exam. Then you come to us and 340 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,400 you show us that you passed it and you're now a master. Will you 341 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,599 automatically jump now to the last two has two stages, and that is the 342 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,720 proctor, and you jump to the you jump to the procter, and you 343 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:11,079 jump to the actual essay stage. Okay, So again it's a little more 344 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,480 forgiving, and that's available for journeymen. Uh, if you're a master, 345 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:18,039 then we're already going to impose that six months threshold. For you. But 346 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,880 if your journeyman you get, you get a whole year. So that is 347 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,640 another course of action where somebody can kill two birds with one stone. You 348 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,720 can be you know, you can join as a journeyman, but your expectation 349 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,400 is you have to be a master at the end of the year. And 350 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,880 obviously that's what you're going for anyway, right, I mean, that's what 351 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,160 your goal is. So it's you kill two birds with one stone. So 352 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,640 that's a great program, the apprenticeship program, and not very many people use 353 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,720 that. But if you have aspirations to get your masters and you're a journeyman, 354 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,440 but you also see the benefit of the certification, then that's the way 355 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,559 to go. And I probably don't do a good job of promoting that, 356 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,559 and I don't do a good job at all at promoting the CMBCP. I'm 357 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:02,160 the acting executive director. At some point we would like to get somebody that's 358 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,920 the full director. We had plans for somebody to do that but really didn't 359 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,440 fall through because they had other aspirations to to do other things like become a 360 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,680 TikTok star. So anyway, we've moved on from that and we're still working 361 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,160 on it. But that's a great program. Hopefully you can check it out 362 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,240 all right, So let's go on an end on a question here that was 363 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,720 submitted through the portal. It says, Hey, Paul, I'm currently in 364 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,640 your fast Tracks program, but I have a work related question. We install 365 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:41,559 a lot of residential standby generators and service rated transfer switches. When updating the 366 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:48,079 grounding, I always pound two ground rods and run a water bond if metal 367 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:55,799 water if in ground metal water pipe, if it's available. My question is 368 00:26:55,839 --> 00:27:00,920 about the ground metal water pipe. I understand that if the water pipe coming 369 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:07,119 into the house is metal, you should run a grounding electro conductor to that 370 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,799 metal pipe within five feet of where it enters the house. I'm confused because 371 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:18,079 I recently had a local inspector tell me I need to run a grounding electroc 372 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:25,039 conductor to a water pipe, but it comes into the dwelling in plastic and 373 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,519 changes over to copper after it enters the basement. Do you still need to 374 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,440 run a ground to the metal water piping in the dwelling even if it comes 375 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:38,960 into the house in plastic. If so, does it still need to be 376 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,480 within five feet of entering the house, or can you just bond the metal 377 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:51,359 water piping closest to the panel. Hope this question makes sense. Okay, 378 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:56,279 does make sense, and I believe I have talked to the submitter about this. 379 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,759 Sorry for my dogs getting crazy here at the studio. My wife's not 380 00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:07,400 here to attend to them, so they're just going nuts. So it sounds 381 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,480 like the inspector's a little confused. If your water pipe ground outside, if 382 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,359 the water pipe is plastic, then you do not have a water pipe ground 383 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:21,279 Okay, so two fifty fifty two A one is not in play. So 384 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,440 the fact that the plastic pipe comes into the building and then changes over to 385 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:32,359 let's say copper throughout the building, then what you're doing is you're not running 386 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,400 a grounding electro conductor to the copper water pipe. You're running a bonding conductor 387 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,240 to the water pipe. And that's going to be in two fifty one zero 388 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:47,039 four. It's not going to be something that invokes two fifty sixty six for 389 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,319 grounding electro conductors and whatnot. Totally different thing. So, since the metal 390 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:59,799 water piping system is running through the house, you're required to bond that. 391 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,039 So if you've got your code books or I'll give you references, so you 392 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,119 can you can look at that. So in your code books, you want 393 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:08,319 to go to two fifty and you want to go to one zero four. 394 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:12,440 Okay, now one zero four for those that have it. This is for 395 00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:18,079 bonding of pipe systems and exposed structural steel. The very first one in two 396 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,960 fifty one zero four A is metal water piping. It says the metal water 397 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,880 piping system. Okay, so that would be the system for the dwelling. 398 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,200 If it was a metal water piping system. We're used to copper an example, 399 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,839 but it could be galvanized steel or whatnot. If that's the metal order 400 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,960 piping system. What it says under A one is that the metal water piping 401 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:47,319 system installed in or attached to a building or structure shall be bonded to any 402 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:51,240 of the following. Number one, you can go from that metal water piping 403 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:56,559 system over to the service equipment enclosure. That's one thing you could do. 404 00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,880 You could go from that metal water piping system over to the rounded conductor at 405 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,839 the service. So typically you can go to that grounded conductor terminal bus in 406 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,759 the service. Okay. Number three, you can go to the grounding electrode 407 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:15,039 conductor if it's sufficiently sized. Right. So the reason we say that is 408 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:19,319 because maybe you the grounding electro conductor goes to ground rods and it's only a 409 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:23,440 six, right, because that's all that's required in two fifty sixty six a 410 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,400 right, So maybe it's a six, but maybe the size of that bonding 411 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,359 jumper it needs to be bigger than a six, So then you couldn't go 412 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,720 to the grounding electro conductor because it was only size six. So that's why 413 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,720 it says if it's of sufficient size, it may not be of sufficient size. 414 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,680 So that's why it says that. And then the last one says you 415 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,359 can take it from that metal order piping system over to one or more grounding 416 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:56,160 electrodes that are used if the grounding electrode conductor or the bonding jumpers, because 417 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,920 you could have multiple electrodes connected together to the grounding electrodes is of sufficient size, 418 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,319 so they have to be sized properly. So if for some reason the 419 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:11,839 sizing of the connections to these electrodes were based on two fifty sixty six, 420 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,839 but the bonding jumpers that you're going to be doing are typically going to be 421 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,000 a size in accordance with two fifty one zero two C one and things like 422 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:27,359 that. So as long as all those bonding jumpers to those electrodes and the 423 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,160 bonding jumpers between electrodes are the right size, then I can go from that 424 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,799 metal water piping system and run it straight over and connected to those electrodes if 425 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:44,039 I want, right. So that's what it says in two fifty one zero 426 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:49,480 four A one. Now where I think that the inspectors getting confused is that 427 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:56,039 he thinks that what you've got is an electrode, right, And so fifty 428 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:02,079 two A one is a metal underground water pipe, and that is the one 429 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,480 that we're talking about that says, you know, once you have to have 430 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:10,039 ten feet or more in contact with the earth to qualify as an actual electrode, 431 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:15,839 and that's what a grounding electrode conductor would connect to. So I'm thinking 432 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:24,359 that they probably just he's confused, That's what I'm thinking it's taking place, 433 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:31,279 right. I think that at some point there's some mixed confusion about those type 434 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:37,240 of applications and they're not really sure what's going on with that. That's my 435 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,839 take on that. So hopefully you can get with your electrical inspector and say, 436 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,400 hey, bro, We're not talking about a grounding electro conductor. We're 437 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,400 talking about a bonding jumper. So two different things, right, So that's 438 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:59,400 what it sounds like you're talking about. Now, interesting with that, the 439 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,359 plastic coming in, Let's say it was not a concrete case electrode, I 440 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,079 mean, excuse me, a water pipe ground outside didn't qualify. Wasn't ten 441 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,640 feet in contact of the earth because maybe it was wrapped in some kind of 442 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:15,000 protective membrane, so it wasn't in direct contact surface direct contact with the earth, 443 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,000 Then it's not an electrode, No different than if a concrete and case 444 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,319 electrode is installed over top of of a vapor barrier. It's not in contact 445 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,599 with the earth. So it may be there, but it's not an electrode. 446 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,319 If that's the case, and it comes into the building and you have 447 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,759 five feet or less, let's say of metal piping, that doesn't constitute a 448 00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:39,759 metal piping system. That's just a small piece. OK. So there's a 449 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,599 lot of confusion over that as well. So there's no way that I would 450 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,480 make somebody bond a little five foot piece because I would say that is not 451 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,079 the water piping system. Now, if the entire system in your house and 452 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,440 is made up of the water piping system is made up of metal. Then 453 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,680 that's a bonding aspect, and that's where two fifty one zero four has come 454 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,119 into play. That you still gotta have that conversation with your AHJ because they're 455 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:10,159 gonna get confused about little pieces. And no, I don't ever invite anybody. 456 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:15,920 Sorry, bro, people are gonna learn I don't do connect I don't 457 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:22,400 mash up with people. Why would I do that anyway? So I can't 458 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,679 control what comes out their mouth. So that's why I would never never connect 459 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,079 with anybody, especially on this platform that I don't know. So anybody ever 460 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,920 requests to join me on a stream, it ain't happening except for if I 461 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,360 know you, so anyway, why would I do that. I don't know 462 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,880 people in here, So anyway, there you go. That's uh, folks. 463 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,639 For those that are listening in to podcasts, I'm also streaming on TikTok, 464 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,679 and so people are requesting to be invited to my live stream and I 465 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:57,760 just I don't do those things, Okay, okay, all right, all 466 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,800 right, folks. Well that's it. That's about thirty five minutes or so 467 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,760 of some let's ask Paul, I have a bunch more to do. Please, 468 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,800 by all means, feel free to submit your questions to me at Paul 469 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,679 Abernathy dot com. I would love to answer your questions. Be as detailed 470 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,079 as you can. Make sure you let me know what code reference or what 471 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:20,719 cycle you're working on so that we can be very accurate, because the codes 472 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,480 have changed from seventeen to twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, and you know 473 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:29,039 I even get questions on two thousand and eight. So for me to be 474 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,440 accurate in your question, you need to make sure that you're accurate in how 475 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,199 you write your question. 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All 486 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,079 right, all right, folks, Till next time, stay safe, God 487 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:29,079 bless and we will catch you on the next episode of Let's Ask Paul.