WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:07.519 This is Eye on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:14.240 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your Most Prized Possessions, Katz 3 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:29.160 R two SAD and iHeart Radio Station. Yet very good afternoon, everybody. 4 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.520 Welcome to Eye on the Ball here on Fox Sports tween fifty. I'm hoping 5 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:36.799 you can hear me. If you can't, to let me know we could 6 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:39.600 be on. We might not be on with Jay's not in today. That's 7 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:46.679 why I have that's very smart. They're very smart and elusive. Kerry Cecil. 8 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:50.280 Yeah, I've been trying to get you on the show for a while, 9 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:54.200 their little girl. Thanks for having Yes. Yes, I think I'm 10 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:58.640 gonna get smarter today. I'm hoping again we're on from all the different topics 11 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:03.359 we're gonna hit. Right, you're a you're a woman about town and the 12 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:07.200 world. Actually, how there's three hundred sixty five days a year. How 13 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:17.480 many of those do you work doing your job and don't because you're like out 14 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:22.319 and about doing doing the stuff for sports. Yeah, with with not just 15 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.959 people, with the people in sports. Yeah, behind the scenes in sports 16 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:27.959 more than anything. Yeah. Yeah, how when did you decide in your 17 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:33.519 life to do this. It's so crazy, you know. I started my 18 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:40.879 career with the Honorable Senator McCain and worked into the private sector and then into 19 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:47.239 sports, probably about two thousand and two, so not that you know, 20 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:53.319 in the Great year twenty years? So what was that before the twenty years? 21 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:57.920 US and entertainment mainly entertainment. Okay, so they're similar. And I 22 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:04.799 think the sports thing about when NASCAR was consolidating the broadcast rights and France family, 23 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.840 Bill France Junior god rested Soul such a nice fan and you were you 24 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:15.000 were in the Poiland guests and they well, the French family asked me to 25 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:19.400 help them and a man named Jim Hunter and a couple of other people at 26 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:24.000 NASCAR to deal with the broadcast partners. Really box at that point, it 27 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:29.919 would CEO was you're kind of the goal between. What do you mean, 28 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.280 I'm the go between? Yeah. Yeah. They had been a regional they 29 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.599 you know, the Frince family went around and they were a private company and 30 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:42.039 ate up all the broadcast rights for the tracks and they did a split with 31 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.240 the driver's teams and tracks for the revenue, and they partnered at that time 32 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:50.680 with Fox Sports and NBC and Dick Eversol was head of NBC and David Hill 33 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.039 was a head of Fox Sports, and I had a relationship with both nice 34 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.599 So yeah, like the segue, the go between, Yeah, the go 35 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:00.520 between, the fantastic and here you are with so many, so many different 36 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.719 things. I have so much to ask you. You've been on my show 37 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.120 before, two or three years ago at the other place. A lot of 38 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.759 things have happened since then. College, Nil, all that stuff. We'll 39 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:15.039 get to all that and more. Is it I don't know. I guess 40 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.319 it's job security with so many things going on. I know it's funny. 41 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:23.319 I mean mainly I work in in litigation and crisis communications, and people always 42 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.280 ask me, what is that? Right? What was that? You are 43 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:30.199 busy? That you are busy, you know, And if you've ever seen 44 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.919 the show Scandal, Yes I am, you know they sort of the Olivia 45 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:42.439 pop of sports. Or I'm a fixer. So I work for attorneys and 46 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.159 am brought in and protected by the privilege. So many things that I say 47 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:53.879 and I do and can wheel behind the scenes are non admissible. Oh the 48 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:59.280 stories you can tell, indeed I can that you won't but well I won't 49 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.520 until nobody listens to us. Go ahead, tell me, you know, 50 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.840 I mean, but uh no grenades, right, I mean, yeah, 51 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.599 well that's what your job is, just to protect, to protect the people 52 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.759 you're you're serving. Let me ask you because I'm interested in this, because 53 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.439 you know a ton of the one hundred and plus uh college football coaches? 54 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:24.040 How many do you know in in the Power five in the everywhere? Don't 55 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.360 listen? I mean I work for the Coaches Association. I mean I have 56 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:32.000 done so many different things for different coaches, everyone from Nick Saban, J. 57 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:36.079 Kirby and you know, you name it. I mean, there's not 58 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:41.439 probably one five percent of them. You're you haven't read Astership? How difficult? 59 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.480 Like reporters, right, we need to get close to the story, 60 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.560 but we get get too close, right we because we if there's bad, 61 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:50.279 we have to write about the bad. Yeah, you have to get close, 62 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:54.360 but not too close. Are you okay with getting close? And if 63 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.680 something bad happens, yeah, you're too close. My job is to know 64 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.040 what's bad, So I tell people at the time, I'm not in the 65 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:05.120 judgment business, I mean the fixer business. And there have been cases with 66 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:12.360 individuals where they make mistakes, right, and we all make mistakes. I 67 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.199 mean, we all have certain things in our personal lives, our marriages, 68 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:20.439 our kids, you know, our careers where nothing is perfect and God forbid 69 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:26.279 everything you've ever done in private, right, it becomes a headline. And 70 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.360 so mainly when I take on a client and I just say, listen, 71 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.759 there's there's not much I haven't seen or heard, and you got to tell 72 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.959 me what I need to know, because I got to know before you got 73 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:39.959 to know. The reports gotta and so I can prepare holding statements or you 74 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.879 know, look at it with audience listening tools on the internet and and and 75 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:50.800 be able to mitigate that the length of that story or control calmentches, or 76 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:55.120 be able to tell the truth. I mean, it's it gets crazy. 77 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.639 I mean there's things you see out there. I mean you've read all the 78 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.720 hidelines, I mean in owners getting brought up in stings, you know, 79 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:08.040 and you have coaches, yeah, coaches, the emails, coaches you know 80 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.920 on the phone doing things yeah. Right, Uh, there's a lot of 81 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.519 different stuff that you see in So for me, you know, unless you're 82 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:20.240 doing you're you're hurting people, you know, you're or kicking dogs, ye, 83 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:25.920 or doing something to kids like, I'm probably your person. Yeah, 84 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.120 it's fixable, you can can you know it? Sometimes it's not like I 85 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.279 had a client say to me, you know, can you fix this? 86 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:39.279 And I'm like, listen, you're done. And and so what I can't 87 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:44.079 do is stop it from being done when it's already. You know it's done. 88 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.879 You know it's done. But I can control the levels of descent. 89 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:54.000 And so I have to sometimes remind people that are in crises, reputational crises 90 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:56.839 or a job crises. They you know, they don't eat and they don't 91 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.720 sleep, and you know they're getting dragged through the mind that you fashion. 92 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:03.319 And just say to them, hey, what's the worst thing that happens? 93 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:09.040 And they say, I get fired, And I'm like, no, the 94 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:14.079 worst thing that happens is you die. And then the second worst thing is 95 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.439 you go to prison, which I've had those guys. And the third thing 96 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:23.680 is that you lose your reputation, and the fourth is that you lose your 97 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:28.560 job. Because one, two and three. You know, it's really hard 98 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.240 to rebuild an individual. But I mean, where a society that loves comebacks, 99 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.800 I mean Robert Downey Junior, there's lots of people and I got you 100 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.279 Freeze coaching it out at Auburn. You know what I mean, people are 101 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.680 like, you know, they're talking about you know, melt Tucker right now 102 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.959 and all he's done. I'm like, he's not done, right, he's 103 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.199 done it? Probably done in Michigan State, he's not done. Sure. 104 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.920 I was gonna ask, So you have all these issues. I would assume, 105 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:55.879 having been in politics yourself and you've been in politics, that it's it's 106 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:01.480 similar in a in a is it is it less less troublesome now that in 107 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:03.560 the past. And I'll give you an example, Mike Price. You know, 108 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.759 you got a coach in the pac twelve years at Alabama went to a 109 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:09.959 passo or whatever. How do they go with Alabama for going to a strip 110 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.639 club or whatever. There had to be more of the story, But that's 111 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.639 kind of seems minuscule compared to today. Yeah, I think we just listen. 112 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:26.399 I think that human behavior, whether it's uh, the strip clubs or 113 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.759 you know, recruiting violations or you know, all of those things have been 114 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.919 going on for years and years and years, and I don't we just didn't 115 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.480 see them. You know, they didn't make news, they weren't qulickable. 116 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.879 They weren't headlines. And so I think today the more sensational the story or 117 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.000 they can make the story, you know, the more people you know, 118 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:54.120 follow it on social media, the more it becomes viable to the journalists. 119 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.759 And so we live in the world today where it's very hard to be a 120 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.639 journalists and to tell both sides of the stories because the achy stuff sells. 121 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.399 So yeah, I don't think it's worse. I just think people are getting 122 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.559 caught. Yeah, okay, no, So you must love your job, 123 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:16.759 but not not because of all that stuff. But you do it for a 124 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.639 reason. I mean if you weren't happy, you wouldn't do it. Yeah, 125 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:22.159 I mean you said something, you said, you're serving people. I 126 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.320 wrote that down in my notes when you said it, and that's really it. 127 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.879 I'm in the service business and and I'm there to serve the client. 128 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.600 I'm also there to serve the media. Like you said, you know, 129 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.399 that could go between. Yeah, and a lot of people think the media 130 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.960 on our side, the client side, or the agent side, or the 131 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.000 lawyer side. They think the media is the enemy, when in reality, 132 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.600 no they're not. And a lot of the media trainings that I do it 133 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.759 is getting them equipped to you know, answer question, don't get faided, 134 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.879 don't get in right right, get in the hypotheticals and things like that. 135 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:58.200 But I always say, listen, if you're going to get your butt kicked 136 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.159 zero to one hundred in the newspaper, like I don't like to lose, 137 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.360 So I'd rather have it be forty sixty. And you tell your side of 138 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.320 the story, because any journalists worth their weight, he's going to tell your 139 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.399 story. They're gonna callant they want to tell your story. Yeah, and 140 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.480 so my job is to make sure number one, it's accurate. Like I 141 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.360 tell my clients all the time, listen, I don't I don't care that 142 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.519 you had you did this with this woman, or you did this with whatever. 143 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.120 You know, just don't lie. Because we live in a world now 144 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.720 with electronic forensics and your phone. There's a camera everywhere you go, and 145 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.159 every building and every you know, Quickie mart and strip club and you know 146 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.320 there's a camera everywhere. So you just don't lie. They will forgive you 147 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.000 for making a mistake because we are human beings. Everyone, by the grace 148 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.039 of God, you know, we just made mistakes, and won't forgive you 149 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:56.320 for lying. Yeah, right, Okay, luck to get to obviously you're 150 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.240 the longtime wife of Chuck cecil. I am. It's such a cutie. 151 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.440 How when how did you? Well, we'll talk. We had three minutes, 152 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.399 we got four with us. Tell me, uh, you met in 153 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.720 college? We did meet at the University of America. You were sophomore? 154 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:13.679 How how old were you? How was a freshman? Freshman and he was 155 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.320 a junior and we met and we dated and he was It's funny because I 156 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.039 had a big brother. His name is Jeff, and he was a cigarettet. 157 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.919 You of it as well. He's a big guy and in college he 158 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.600 usually really big. Your real brother brother, a real my older brother, 159 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.960 Jeff, And I tell the story all the time. I grew up in 160 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.639 a house where we played in sports, and you know, I can throw 161 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.759 a football better than yeah, but he he's used to beat up everyone I 162 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.519 dated. So like, I can remember coming out of dirtbags and I was 163 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:45.759 some guy in a jeep and my brother was coming out in dirtbags and I 164 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.919 was under age, and my brother like ripped him out of the jeep like 165 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.360 it was a soft door. We ripped him out. He was like, 166 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.960 that's my little sister like you're or not in And I started dating Chuck almost 167 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.120 like did make my brother irritated? Right, And he was so cute and 168 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:01.559 everything. Not that I didn't like. I think he was super cute, 169 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.799 but I was like, what are you gonna do? Now? You're gonna 170 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.919 get really, you're gonna you're gonna be that checks. He was a little 171 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.480 get black. But so did he know who he was before he My brother 172 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.519 and Chuck are the same class. Okay, so that he knew of him, 173 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:15.799 so he right away he's not gonna say, you know, you know, 174 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.519 do this, do that? Oh yeah, I'm like, go ahead 175 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:20.639 and take on checks for them. You do that. I don't care how 176 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:26.279 you're both equally angry. You know at that point you probably a good day. 177 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.440 Yeah yeah. And they've been together since yeah, on and off, 178 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.799 not the whole time. Okay, oh you oh really yeah you broke up 179 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.360 and came back together. Yeah. I tell people that all the time. 180 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.039 Oh I didn't not and I mean not to get too personal. No, 181 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.600 no, no, is like, hey, you know, you were the 182 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.759 first in the last, but there were a couple in between. Good for 183 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.960 you, good for you. Listen, we both had very I greup with 184 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.639 a single mom who raised two goods and she was extraordinary and she put us, 185 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.279 you know, enabled us to go to college or sally me lungs and 186 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.799 paid them off and she did. She was like, you didn't work. 187 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:03.480 It's hard to marry some pro athlete like And at that point I was already 188 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.679 interning, you know, for Senner and McCay. And she's like, you 189 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.480 need to do your own thing. You need to depend on you. And 190 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.840 I think watching jobs and in raising her kids, I just there was no 191 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.960 way I was doing that. Great advice. Yeah, she's Sae Sa sage 192 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.879 advice. Is your birthday? Oh nice? September fifteen, my mama, 193 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.759 she's here in town probably yeah, she just moved here. Oh nice. 194 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.120 Okay, okay, today, very nice, very nice. One of life. 195 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.440 Let's take a break. We know how to do this. It sits 196 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.600 with me today handling the boards. Obviously Jay is out today with personal stuff 197 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.440 going on. 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We'll put the work 285 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:10.200 in for you. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay 286 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:15.000 Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Subscribe now to the podcast on the iHeart 287 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:21.119 Radio Whip just Surge on the Ball. Hey, welcome back to I the 288 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.359 Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera jagins All. This 289 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:29.160 is not here today doing some personal stuff on About in the City. Been 290 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.599 with me as a co host today, Carry carry cecil. Yeah, good 291 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.359 to have you here. It's been three years I think since you if you're 292 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.400 groovy music? Oh yeah, yeah, music is so groovy. It's our 293 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.119 music. It's so cool. It's kind of like kind of our music, 294 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:48.000 uh, you know, back of the day. Good to have you in 295 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.039 the studio. A lot to get to. There's so many things going on, 296 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.279 and we're gonna supposed to have Jake. I think he might have run 297 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:57.920 into some business because he's not calling in. He's always calling in. But 298 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.640 and I l U paid for play all whatever you want to call it. 299 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.319 When you when this started to happen a few years ago, Yeah, it's 300 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:14.160 not what people visioned. No, And what do you think? What do 301 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:17.839 you what do you think about it? But well, I mean I think 302 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:22.039 that people don't understand it. So which people, which people I think the 303 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.680 majority the mass people, the mass population, even the media does not understand 304 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.759 it unless they're really really covering it. Someone like a Ross Dellinger, who 305 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.720 convers it, lives in dcovers it for Yahoo. It used to be a 306 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:40.839 Sports illustrated You know, NIL is great. We everybody loves the idea of 307 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.079 an NIL is name, image and likeness. Some people understand what it is, 308 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:51.160 and I mean NIL laws create a pathway for student athletes to receive payments 309 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:53.960 for from third parties from their name, in their image and likeness. It's 310 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:59.440 like marketing, right. They can they can read the benefits their marketing event 311 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.200 will that that was the premise, right that is, that's what it is. 312 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:04.079 That's what that's what it is. And there are thirty some odd different 313 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:11.240 state laws, and so the we need federal legislation number one, a unique 314 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:17.519 law that covers all of the states that is enforceable because right now, what 315 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:22.720 you have if you're a student athlete and you can go play for this school 316 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:29.160 where you can market yourself and get sponsorships and get all kinds of stuff in 317 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.960 this state, or you have this school over here, maybe your dad went 318 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:37.640 to and you've always loved it, but they don't have they are don't have 319 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.599 ANIML laws. You're going to pick the school that you can actually go and 320 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:47.519 market yourself. So that's nil and that's not pay for play. That is 321 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.359 what we're go aheading. So, well, you're exactly right, no, 322 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:55.400 no, no, and actually I think you might be done. This is 323 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:56.799 where my problem is. And we've had a couple of athletes. Okay, 324 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.599 so you are definitely correct and all that, but the problem that I think 325 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:04.359 I have with it is that now it's not paid for play. You're paying 326 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:08.279 them to come here. With that in mind, because they're getting paid, 327 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.880 they're getting paid to come, they're not getting paid. They do that through. 328 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:17.319 So the other word that people confuse that with is collectives. Yes, 329 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:22.319 so a collective is different than in nil, right, and it's out there. 330 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:27.680 It's out there, so schools or big donors which we used to see. 331 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.279 Listen, if you ain't cheating, you ain't drying. Sorry just at 332 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:40.640 the sec Sorry I'm just getting greg commssion. That was a joke. But 333 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:45.359 in reality, you know, these collectives are a lot of different donors and 334 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:51.640 they put in money to be able to disperse to student athletes for all kinds 335 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:57.279 of things, right, and that has been misused. That has been misused. 336 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.480 It's paid to come, pay to stay, and pay to play. 337 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.920 That's exactly what it's play to stay. It's totally different. And that you 338 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:10.240 define nil perfectly. My thing was the side thing with the collective. The 339 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:15.039 collectives are different. Now, some collectives are great, like you know here 340 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.359 Arizona has a great collective and so it's above board. But you know, 341 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:26.400 like anything else, you're gonna see that is a way to use money to 342 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.079 get to induce players. And so that's the violation, right. The NSA 343 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:36.960 violation is is inducement of getting people to come for a certain amount of money. 344 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:41.279 Sure, and and you see that money funneled sometimes through these collectives that 345 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.279 have you know, look at look at the SMU donors back in the day. 346 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:51.880 No now, okay, like SMU joins a new conference where they agree 347 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:56.799 if they're not getting any medium money, like they're getting nothing, right, 348 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.880 and they don't care because the donors are like, yeah, we'll give you 349 00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:02.599 the fifty million bucks a year. You know, we just find oil in 350 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:06.799 the backyard. Yeah, they have it, and so and it's awesome for 351 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.039 them that they have that kind of sport and kind of money. That's that's 352 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:15.960 incredible. But I think people misunderstand what is nil? What is an il 353 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.759 legislation? What is important? What is a collective? What does it mean 354 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.920 to be revenue sharing like you saw, you know, like the Kappa bill 355 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:29.480 in California, what that means? And and then how are we protecting women's 356 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:36.400 sports? Right? How do you protect Title nine and allow you know, 357 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:44.559 tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of student athletes to achieve an education through 358 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.359 sport. Like we're just looking at football. That's really what this is about. 359 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:51.960 We're looking at football and men's basketball. It's some schools. Well, 360 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.519 let me keep give an example of this of a geist I can't remember. 361 00:25:55.599 --> 00:26:00.200 Jim guys think you the track guy want a couple of the national titles in 362 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.440 the shot put? He was kind of him. And the diver of snow 363 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.240 one national title, she's olympian. Yeah, yeah, face of the program, 364 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.960 face of the University of Verse program. Very successful. They don't see 365 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.160 very they see very little of this money, even though the nil money money, 366 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.960 Yeah, even though they're top notch of the whole place. Yeah, 367 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.119 because and he's and Jim the guy said this is not about us. This 368 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.079 is about football and basketball. Well, I would disagree with that. So 369 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:33.519 the challenge with the infancy of NIL is that there's very few marketing companies that 370 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.680 are going after sort of what would be smaller market, even Arizona to small 371 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:44.160 market, Right, it doesn't get a ton of media exposure that you have 372 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.079 the ability for these kids to go get deals, right, Like I mean 373 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:52.799 what you have like gem click. You know a few people that are and 374 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:56.559 those people have been behind that the University of Arizona for decades, right, 375 00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:02.079 and they're they're wonderful, like the Davis's people with deep pockets, yeah, 376 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.039 and just deep hearts too, I mean the davis Is. I mean, 377 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:08.359 they're they're amazing and so look what they've done for football and the clements and 378 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:11.839 there's just a lot of good people out there that sport the University of Arizona. 379 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.480 But it is a small pool exactly. I was just gonna say that, 380 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:21.400 as you were speaking, the pockets and the pockets eventually kind of dry 381 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.480 up. Well, and particularly when you start to question leadership, right, 382 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.480 I mean, when you have a bad coach or and I'm not just talking 383 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.480 about you know, anything in this market or specifically to this market. I'm 384 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:38.960 just saying, if you have a coach or an athletic director or someone like 385 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.119 that that is not these they don't get along with, right, they just 386 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.640 stopped giving. Yeah, that's just how that works. So I don't like 387 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:49.319 you. I don't like you anymore. Yeah. And I don't have to 388 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.680 pay you. I don't have to do it just my money. Don't tell 389 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.359 me how to use it. Yeah, And I think that's why culture, 390 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.519 which is one of the almost overused words in college athletics. I agree with 391 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:04.279 you, it's so crazy, right, but it is why it's so overused. 392 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.960 But then you see it come to life with someone like Jetfish, right. 393 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:14.200 I mean we come off of you know, Coach Rodriguez to coach someone 394 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.000 I think everyone and two sons like, oh my gosh, this is like 395 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.720 I mean, behind the scenes were like holy smokes. Right, and then 396 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.319 you have someone like coach Fish who comes in and he does everything right. 397 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:32.880 Yeah, I mean from ringing you know people like Ricky and Chuck and you 398 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.279 know Ronk and some good dudes, some good dudes and some good dudes and 399 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.880 embracing the past but yet still being innovative. Right, he knew how to 400 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.599 do it. He knows how to play by the rules, he knows how 401 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.960 to sell it. He's really good. But you know, he's a better 402 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.519 coach his offensive ethos. I mean, he is a better coach than culture 403 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.599 guy, and that sometimes gets left behind. I mean, his stats are 404 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.119 insane. It's it's funny because I was listen, I was thinking about this 405 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.319 the other day and now I just forgot about it. But when he first 406 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.279 arrived, we had a press corments. We all had a chance to talk 407 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.920 to him and I throughout this question because we didn't know who in the hect 408 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.519 jed Fish was right. You know, he threw out this day his coach. 409 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.920 They've had a lot of coaches before you. Uh, And I was 410 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.519 here when Toby you got here. How is it these coaches before you couldn't 411 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.640 recruit, couldn't do as well as they could have. And now, what 412 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.359 what makes us think that you're gonna do that? Well? Lowill behold, 413 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:36.359 two years into this, he's done that and more. He's done that and 414 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:41.440 more, and and he's got some kind of charm to get these guys to 415 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.519 come here. Yeah, and this is the thing I was talking about. 416 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.240 You talking about being a coach. I was yesterday driving around and I was 417 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.680 thinking the same thing you just said. He brought in Chuck, he brought 418 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:56.559 in Hunley, he brought in some other guys with names former coaches, and 419 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.319 he there's no question that Jed has an ego, because if you don't reached 420 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.920 this point without an ego, but it was not big enough to where I'm 421 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.920 gonna bring these dudes in to make me better. Does that make sense? 422 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:12.440 Because previous coaches wouldn't bring Chuck in, wouldn't bring in Huntley because it would 423 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.680 have affected their power. Does that make sense? Yeah? Am I accurate? 424 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:18.720 Yeah? And I mean we knew Jed from a little bit from before, 425 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.880 but I mean he's uh, okay, we got a call. We 426 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.160 got a call. Maybe this is him, and that's cool. We have 427 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:33.359 a call. You're on the air on Night of the Ball. Look y, 428 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.759 hey, Jake, where you been? They blew us off? It's 429 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.519 so hurtful. Well, okay, okay, you're good. We'll stay for 430 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.680 about ten minutes. Is that cool? You're good? Absolutely? Okay. 431 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.440 I'm Carrie cecil is with me today? What's on my favorite linebacker? How 432 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.640 are you? How are you? We could barely hear you. You must 433 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.720 be somewhere. Are you in the car? Can you hear me? Now? 434 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.160 A little bit better? Perfect? So we're just talking shooting the stuff 435 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.440 I wanted to ask carry maybe the difference in eras your husband played in the 436 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:17.400 mid eighties in college, right, and then to Jake's twenty fifteen years, 437 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.680 thirteen years, what, thirteens? What? What do you think the differences 438 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:26.240 are in in eras? Jake? I think you can get away with a 439 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.559 lot more back then. I mean, you know, Chuck used to hit 440 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.119 people and knock them out, and now if you even get close to somebody's 441 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.200 head you're getting thrown out of the game. Yeah, you could be a 442 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.559 lot more physical back then. I guess it's the best way to put it. 443 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:41.480 There's gotta be more. But you you I agree with that, you 444 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.960 know, yeah, I mean I told I mean from a from a defensive 445 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.000 standpoint, he's one hundred percent right. I mean, player safety has become 446 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.960 the number one priority. But with that, you have given up a lot 447 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:57.440 of you know, physical ball. So but we understand a lot more now 448 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.920 today about concussions and all kinds of stuff that we didn't know then. We're 449 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:07.240 very bless knock on wood that Chuck doesn't have any of those types of things 450 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.440 going on with him. But we've seen a lot of you know, guys 451 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.640 in the pros that he played with and coach with, and they have those 452 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.839 you know, residual effects sad. Yeah. Yeah. And then the folks, 453 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.720 the folks have gotten a lot bigger too. So those offensive lines, 454 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.359 you know, I mean, shoot our offensive line, what average is like 455 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:29.839 three fifteen or something like that. Yeah, I mean that's kind of the 456 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.000 same. And then I think the athletes, you know, obviously because we're 457 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:36.839 you know, the game just gets better all the time. I think that 458 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.039 the athletes have gotten a lot better too. And now you have these guys 459 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.720 who just basically get him in space and let them go. Yeah. I 460 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.200 mean I think one of the guards, I'm Mississippi State was like three eighty 461 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.000 or something like he was. He was massive. I mean, they're so 462 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.559 big. That is a massive human, right, Jake, What did you 463 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.880 I said this on the ra of Monday or Tuesday or whatever it was after 464 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.519 Saturday's game, which was very good. They played well well enough to win, 465 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:06.240 but didn't that I learned more in that Saturday game than I'd learned on 466 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.359 the NAU game because I kind of said this, guys are going to be 467 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:14.319 pretty good or I feel comfortable with what I see. Do you agree? 468 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.079 Yes, I think that they looked they were never out of the game, 469 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.839 Like the defense was awesome in the first half, with the exception and maybe 470 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.079 the first drive of the first and second half, I guess. Other than 471 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.559 that, I mean, they looked stout. Going against an SEC school, 472 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.480 you're going to give up some chunk plates. But I think they held their 473 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.480 own and I'm really happy that the defensive line was able to be physical against 474 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.920 you know, Mississippi's offensive line, which there are no slashes. So it's 475 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.240 gonna be interesting to see what Mississippi State does this week. You know, 476 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.880 it'll tell me a little bit more about you know, our team in general 477 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.640 as well, because they're going against Minnesota. But I thought they overall they 478 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.319 held up pretty well. If it wasn't for the turnovers that I mean, 479 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.559 we win that game. We don't even go it all the time. Let 480 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.400 me ask you, being a wife of a coach, travel with the team, 481 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.960 how you go out there? Do you get still get nervous for games? 482 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:14.559 Yeah? I want us to win. I want, you know, 483 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.440 what say, did you know? Come on check you know? No not 484 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.039 yes, no, not really, that's not that. I mean I used 485 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.440 to be really emotional at the games and just get you know, I just 486 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:28.440 I'm too old now see. I'm like, ok, Jake, there's still 487 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.920 hope for you. Then there's still hope for you as you get older, 488 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.159 you're mature. I don't know if it's maturity, you're just like I just 489 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.599 like you know, you're just how much space can this stake up in my 490 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.000 head? And die? He has them still with eight wins, right, 491 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.559 Jake, I'm gonna stick with my original prediction with how good the pack to 492 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.960 Alves was, It's gonna be tough. I mean, this team WI last 493 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.079 year in the pack probably would have won, you know, eight or nine 494 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.800 games. Yeah, I'm here. It's gonna be a lot suffer, Yeah, 495 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.639 no question, no question. So what do you get from a weekend 496 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.280 against you? Tap? And I'm not already given him in the win, 497 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.480 but I kind of already am what do you don't do that? So I'm 498 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:10.480 not play? So what do you get from a game like this after playing 499 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.519 very well last week? Rebound game? Basically you're going to tune up things 500 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:19.559 that you messed up in the Mississippi State game, and then you're gonna get 501 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.599 ready for the next week, you know. And the good thing is these 502 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.599 guys they've been there, done that, they've been through the hard times. 503 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:29.599 They're not going to look past them. But I think that you shouldn't, 504 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:31.719 you know, kind of show your hand per se, you know, with 505 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.719 some plays that you might keep in your back pocket for the next week. 506 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've had a number of these games when you 507 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:44.360 played, and we've talked about them at nauseam because there are times when you 508 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:49.559 guys didn't show up and you guys gotta beat Yeah. Well, you know, 509 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.440 my senior year, you're Washington State. We should have won that game 510 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.880 by three touchdowns. We got upset. And I think it's because some of 511 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.559 the guys been looking forward to Oregon the next week, and then you saw 512 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:05.239 we bounce back. Yeah, no, I agree, And then and then 513 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.480 you guys come up and beat Oregon the next week. I think it was 514 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.880 right you played up. You know, it's all about emotions. In fact, 515 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.920 one of the things that were in being a reporter and doing this job 516 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.239 is that how how how emotions play a part at this level can you talk 517 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.519 about that. Yeah, it's it's it's hard to saving kill. I mean, 518 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.599 you know, you're so down after losing to Washington State who that should 519 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.039 have been a guaranteed win, and then you know, having to go and 520 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.880 play against the number four team in the country. So you gotta stay level 521 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.360 headed. That's why a lot of teams that are that are senior driven, 522 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.119 usually they don't get too high or too low and they take care of business. 523 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.199 Some of the teams that have to start young guys, unfortunately, they 524 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.079 end up kind of feeling the effects of that. Yeah, no, no 525 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.519 question, no question. I mean, because Kerry Kerry followed you a little. 526 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.039 How was it playing for rich Rod? How is it playing for rich 527 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.519 Ron? Yeah? It was tough. I mean you were running until you 528 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.920 wanted to throw up every day, and lines in between the white lines, 529 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:10.719 you know, he was He was a menace. He's like a mad scientist. 530 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:14.480 But as soon as you get off of the fields, he's a great 531 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.400 guy. He treats us well, and uh, you know, just from 532 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.320 a pure you know, exs and O standpoint, he was the best I've 533 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.480 seen. He was awesome and Miss Rita made some amazing enchiladas. Did she 534 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.880 Oh, yeah, absolutely, Well, yeah, I just saw them. 535 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.280 I saw them both. Yeah, it was so like I saw them across 536 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.119 It's a you know, it's a couple of conferences. There there four conferences 537 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.440 to get together for league meetings with all the football coaches. And and he 538 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.119 was there down the festival the puts it on. It's called the FISA Summit. 539 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.159 He was down there and I saw him and I just like my face 540 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.119 just lit up. But he just makes me smile. Well, I think 541 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.719 they won their first game. Did they played this last week as well? 542 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.480 Well? They beat you, they beat YouTube the first game, right, 543 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.199 yeah, So let me ask you because I maybe you laugh at this character. 544 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.760 So we saw we saw Jed handle do Laura on the sideline Saturday, 545 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:13.519 right, very calm, very composed. They have a relation, They have 546 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.000 a this relationship. And asked Jadis, how do you think rich Roder would 547 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:23.000 have had a do Laura after that first half? Oh god, he would 548 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.519 have showed him out and it would have been crazy. But the thing is 549 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.000 like with rich Rob when you do something right, and this is why it's 550 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.360 okay for him to do that. When you do something right, he's the 551 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.159 first one to tell you that you did a good job, and so you 552 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.039 kind of instill that player coach, you know connection where it's like he wants 553 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.320 the best for me and he wants me to succeed. So you're okay if 554 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.440 he gets in your face. Yeah no, if that's fair, I mean 555 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.599 both sides, that's fair. I'll give it to you. I mean, 556 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.960 you got another kid. I mean I remember Chat in the pros and when 557 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:58.119 he was a coordinator, even when he was a secondary coach and at the 558 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.760 Titans, and the first year he uh Pack, you know, pac Man, 559 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.599 he had Chris Hope and he had Robert Griffin and they're all they were 560 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.519 all rookies in his room and there was the first time in the NFL history 561 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.079 that they had seen three rookies. He coached them in the Pro Bowl. 562 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:16.519 He I mean they were that good Night year. So it was crazy. 563 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.880 But he said, you know, particularly, I mean, Pack was going 564 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.239 through a lot at that time. He's like a lot of my job is 565 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:28.760 therapy and and knowing when right, Like every kid is different and just like 566 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.159 people, and we're going through different things and knowing when to you know, 567 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.000 love him and knowing when to kick him in the bottom. That's that's exactly 568 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.400 right, exactly right. Jack doesn't. I mean he doesn't believe in degrading 569 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.320 players. He doesn't because I think he played, and when you play, 570 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.760 you have a you have a different style of coaching. You just you know, 571 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:52.760 like he can't do that, Like he just he doesn't. Yeah. 572 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.679 Well I think I think at that level too, because the players most of 573 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.480 the time were making more than the coach, Like, you can't take that 574 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.920 approach. Ye are grown, you know what I mean, they have stuff 575 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.800 in college, like, hey, I think it might be a little bit 576 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.000 different, but I mean, if that coaching style works for him, you 577 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.280 know, yea the highest degree than Yeah, absolutely, that's perfect. Absolutely. 578 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.760 Yeah, Well we gotta go, Jake, thanks for calling. Talk 579 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.480 to you next week by Jake. We'll see at the game. Yeah you 580 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.719 guys, Thank you. Jake Fisher one of our big spongers, one of 581 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:27.280 the good dudes. 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Steve Rivera and Jacob Solids they 642 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:55.760 have there I on the board on Tucson sports station Fox Sports fourteen fifty Hey 643 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.280 Welcome back to all on the Balldale Fox Sports Sports team coffee. Our Steve 644 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.159 Rivera Jay is out today, so I have Karry Sesil with me today. 645 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.880 It's good, thanks for being with my measure. Lots of topics we Jake 646 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:12.159 called in at this time. You're talking about Jed and some of the stats 647 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.360 and some of the great things that I think he's doing. I do, 648 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.199 go ahead and tell me, and I do think I told you that story 649 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:22.480 about about the other coaches and and Jed is doing exactly what but I didn't 650 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.039 think possible. So he's doing it very well. And you've seen it. 651 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.079 I've seen it. I mean, I like him. It's so funny. 652 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.960 So when he got hired, right, we had analytic listening tools, which 653 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:35.400 we it's like a campaign. What the hell is that? Okay, I 654 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.320 know, right, So in crisis communications or any type of thing, and 655 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:44.280 we get hired by you know, owners, NFL owners, athletic directors, 656 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:49.760 institution presidents, board of trustees to run reports that say, you know, 657 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:54.360 everything that you can find about that individual, positive negative, what people are 658 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.519 saying if they like him, who's winning? Like if you give me three 659 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.760 coaches names that are up for job, I can tell you who's winning the 660 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.159 court of public opinion, right, and then what that looks like. And 661 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.840 then reporters like you or whoever you know, you're writing yes or no or 662 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:15.079 why? Okay, So we had analytic tools on jet and and it was 663 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:21.079 catastrophically bad when they hired it, and everyone was like everyone thought they were 664 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.239 gonna, oh, we're gonna hire another dictomy. Right. Everyone was like, 665 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:28.039 oh, we're gonna hire the guy from San Jose State or another Who 666 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.639 is this guy? I mean everyone was like, you know, not not 667 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:34.840 me, but I'm saying like people, hundreds of thousands and people. I 668 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.119 mean, it was terrible. So you want those word clouds, and it 669 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.840 was it's exactly like running a campaign for a politician, right, It's the 670 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.480 same type of campaigning, and you learn how to lean in and out of 671 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:52.079 messaging and even colors, and they use on logos to sway the court of 672 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.519 public opinion. Anyway, Jez was terrible, right, but by then he's 673 00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.360 already been hired. He's hired, and I'm just like, holy smokes is 674 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:05.760 bad. And then cut too. He's no matter what anybody says, because 675 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.320 listen, the guy is like steady Freddie. He is not. I mean, 676 00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:13.239 he's he's one of the most passionate individuals that I've ever met. But 677 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.400 he's he's really really smart. Yeah, right, he's super he knows what 678 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.960 he's doing right, and so you know, I think he's talked about it 679 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.199 like it was about rebuilding the culture, which he needed. We need fans 680 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:29.360 in the seat every day. And yeah, and it was down trodden and 681 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:34.599 no area. I mean I had I mean, sweet Sally uh uh Drachman 682 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.599 was my neighbor. She's like nine years old. She's amazing, right, 683 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.840 and she's like, Oh, Arizona Football, I'm so glad Chuck is back, 684 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.320 you know. But it was just I mean, here's a lifelong chant, 685 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:47.119 right, it's just really sad. And Jed knew and so he did 686 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.960 everything right. I think we touched on that right cultural wise, but listen, 687 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:53.679 you you can't win the game, you can't win the race unless you 688 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:59.880 got the ponies. And so that's about, you know, recruiting, and 689 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:01.719 and I think he went to do that. And I think when you know, 690 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:10.000 he inherited a program with four consecutive eleventh place finishes in the PAC twelve 691 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.559 recruiting, I mean, that's a lot of years, right, and you're 692 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.199 not going to get anywhere with that. No, And in the first four 693 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:21.480 recruiting cycle he produces the best recruiting class in the school's history according to two 694 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:25.079 four seven. You know that's so. And then you get to early July, 695 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.719 I think twenty twenty three, and Arizona signs its first five star prospect, 696 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.679 right and committed the program. And then again, you know it's shaping 697 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.960 up to be the school's best history. So for the first time in u 698 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:42.719 of a history, he's getting the ponies, And so Arizona has the best 699 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:47.239 offensive and defensive player in the state of Arizona coming to you of a I 700 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.679 mean never never before, right, And he's usually everyone talks about the portal. 701 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.119 Yeah, he's used the portal, but he's this is him. Yeah, 702 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.679 No, I say, however you use it? This is this happening. 703 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:01.920 And I'm not an alibi guy. He's you should be his pr guy. 704 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.599 No, I'm not, but I mean I listen, I think a 705 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.159 lot of people get caught that he's like mister culture guy, which he is, 706 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:13.440 right, But if you look at the stats and who he came from, 707 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:19.480 like Belichick, right, I mean or McVeigh or when he was a 708 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.920 coordinator or when he was an interim head. Go, right, he really 709 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.760 has some jobs. And I mean since taking over, like from the year 710 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.840 before, since he's been here. If you just you look at some of 711 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.760 some of the offensive stats, I mean, it's an eighty two percent increase 712 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.760 in the points per game, Yeah, per game. So let me ask 713 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.639 you, so you saw this analytics right after he was hired. Yeah, 714 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.000 do you go back and find new analytics? Like now? Yeah, I 715 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.320 haven't, you know, I haven't run it lately. I ran it like 716 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:51.440 I'll run it if I see a scandal come up or see something in the 717 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:53.199 news and I think, and I'll jump on to see it, you know, 718 00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.880 because if jump on to see if people are talking about it, right, 719 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.400 if I'm gonna, you know, have to get something ready. I 720 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.480 mean not for him, but in general. And so I think it's important 721 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.840 to know what people are saying and what they think. But I you know, 722 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:15.119 I can't imagine that that market. It's gotta be it's gotta be through 723 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.679 positive. Yeah, it's gotta be through the positive. Even with you know, 724 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.280 Mississippi State a loss. Oh yeah, that's that's what people were still 725 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:29.000 like a nose. Holy smokes. You went in to startville. You you 726 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:35.159 you had a bunch of turnovers in the first write four and five whatever was, 727 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:39.159 and and they never gave up. Yeah, that's what impressed me. 728 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.760 I mean, they were still in the game. You you mentioned ponies, 729 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.199 and I don't know if you're a pony person, but it's a horse that 730 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.880 got in a bad lane and can get through because of difficulty. Next race, 731 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:52.639 Yeah, it gets through. It's gonna win easily. We gotta go, 732 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.800 we gotta break, have a hard stop and then we have a breaking 733 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.280 news and then we'll come back, all righty