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You know, good for nothing eggs
sucking dumb man. We did it our

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way because we love it that way. We love it that way, and

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I have this wonderful gut feeling that
I've had it all my life. When

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it's time to go, I think, just now it's time to go.

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Hey, what do you want to
know about, man? I'm gonna tell

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you that some of the tough stats
we are taking welcome on that. I'll

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tell you one thing is I'm a
hard core producer. I am, I

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always have been, and I never
have gone with the grain on any promotion.

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I'm not ECWS man, I'm not
Dennis Cordozo's man. I'm not WSCW

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No. I am i WWF what
I am as an individual and an athlete.

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And when I'm looking for his competition, competition for all you hard course

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out there, because I do his. I might scream at you, I

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might holler at you, and I
may hate you for the moment, but

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if you dig right down into my
heart, I love you from now to

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my last broad ladies, gentlemen,
mister Terry Funker. Terry Funk did go

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to Extreme Championship Wrestling to do the
kind of things that he was forecasting in

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that interview, and you know he
took risks, he did moon salt,

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he did barbed wire. Yes,
he did quite literally, as we'll discuss

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on the latest episode of The Lapsed
Funk Play with firew Arena. Welcome to

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twenty twenty four, and welcome to
the home stretch of The Lapsed Funk.

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Our look at the most consequential career
in the history of professional wrestling, that

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of Terry Funk Boston. It's not
even it's not even a debate, and

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we're not even done. No,
I know, we really haven't even got

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to the things that crystallized him as
a crazy man, which are the death

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matches and all that shit. I
don't know, I think we've crystallized them

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as a crazy man. Well,
welcome to what'll probably be a crazy year.

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It's t lf X. There is
no turning back. This is the

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ten year anniversary of that fucking cast. That's wild. Things are going to

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be popping off, can confirm.
I mean, I'm ready to pop off.

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How are you feeling? Ah good, you know it's good. It's

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new year. I suppose if you
want to, if you're one of those

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people people who believed that years are
are are a real thing? That that

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that that are you know, acknowledged
by anything other than human beings. Sure

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by that you mean time? Well, time is a real thing. There

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is a time recorded Time is a
falsity calendar, right, yeah, right,

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you know that's just somebody made that
up. Somebody made that up to

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have control over whatever existence they thought
they had control over, which they don't.

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They don't actually have control because if
you know, we could easily decide

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that. You know, someone could
have decided that January was a was a

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year long month, right, you
know, they could have said, you

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know what, the month of January
is the entire year. Just someone decided

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otherwise. It would actually call it
a question the need for something called a

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month. If there was only one, exactly exactly right, one would wonder

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the difference between a month and a
year. At that point, Well,

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you know, the only the only
thing that that you know concludes the year

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is the fact that the Earth has
gone around the sun. One time marks

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the beginning of ten years since the
cast started. Is us taking to the

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fucking feed ten cycles? Ten cycles
of the sun is what happened. A

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lot of the things you're saying,
I think Terry Funk would have found himself

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agreeing with don't you think so?
I do? I think so? I

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think I listen, listen, if
there was anybody, if there was any

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wrestler who had who didn't believe in
the concept of time or the recorded time,

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Terry Funk, Well, you know, it's funny you say that.

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I went ahead, and you know
when I used to talk to my dad,

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we used to talk about time,
and there was a lot of talk

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about you know, what, what
the hell is it? It's it's sort

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of a it's a funny thing,
you know, it's a wonderful thing,

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and what not. We we we
we you know, my dad and I

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would talk about time and would talk
about Rosemary and all sorts of stuff.

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We talk about Vicky, all sorts
of seasons and season ings. There's a

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reason the words is there, you
know. But much the same, let's

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put some season on that fucking solar
system. One of the things we are

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delivering to you have delivered already for
TLFX is, of course, the twenty

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twenty three tlf Holiday Special. The
Christmas Special was unveiled our annual surprise to

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the Solar system on Christmas Day and
Boss did you put something under my tree

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this year or what? That was
a massive surprise. I definitely do believe

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that it was a wonderful life and
you found a wrestler in there talk about

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it. Ye, yep, we
talked about you know, Constantine Romanoff.

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Constantine Romanoff, a pro grappler from
the the turn of the twentieth century who

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came from Germany and was a phenomenon
and really, you know what, he

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really was one of the one of
like an early you know heel, like

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k fabe international heel type. Yeah, I was wonderful to see you dig

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up archives realizing that he wrestled under
the name Jack Meyers most prominently, and

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that, you know, opened a
whole new world of color on the kind

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of wrestlers he went up against and
how the newspapers did the he can kind

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of coverage of it all. Oh, this guy's oh, you know what,

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this guy's a fraud and something like
holder for at the time he's not

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even from Russia. I'm thinking you
mentioned the turn of the century, the

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turn of the twentieth century, would
that have been Austin and Brett Wrestlingia thirteen

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only three years left to go in
that century. I think I suppose what

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is not the turn of the twenty
first century? Oh yeah, or noting

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the turn of the twentieth century would
be would have been nineteen hundreds into the

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twenty eighteen hundreds into the nineteen hundreds, right, yeah, yeah, it's

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always it always lads a year.
So the twenty first century is no what

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we're in right now. We're in
the twenty first century right now. Yeah,

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So the twentieth century was the nineteen
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is the turn of the what I
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was playing with the meaning of the
word turn. Yeah, I thought,

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isn't the turn into or is it
turning away from? That one? I

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don't fucking was dying on the vine? Yeah, we'll watching it with a

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ahre you talking about heel turns,
the doubles, oh geseys, wow,

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man, we gotta get a we
gotta get some tight nutrition in you.

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Well, that would have been the
double turn of the twenty cents. Yeah,

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the double chin of the twentieth century. That one's gonna take a little

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longer. I'm starting with abby.
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is is abby? So that's sort
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yaks, actually, so we do
hope you enjoyed that Christmas gift and all

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of your holiday seasons from the Solar
System, and as if, as if

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by serendipity, before we took to
recording here our first episode of twenty twenty

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four, one of the more solid
members of the Solar System and a motor

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through and through he motored through.
Scott my Ferry wrote us an email that

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I thought ought to be conveyed because
it speaks to how the It's a Wonderful

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Life under the cinemat episode that we
dropped on your Christmas Day says so much

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about why we've been here for ten
years, and how a sort of poetic

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it all turned out to be.
He writes, dearest co Chairman. As

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I finished reviewing this novel, before
I click send, I realized that I

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may have got a little caught up
in my head and I just kept typing.

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So this very well could be way
too long to read on the show,

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But I wanted to let both of
you know either way how important that

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cast is. I mean, I'll
tell you you know the moment you say

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it could be way too long to
read on the show, It's that we're

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going to do it. You've laid
down the gauntlet right exactly how important that

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cast is in my life and how
under the cinemat end of the year,

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hitting me directly in the fields.
I like that. Of course. I'd

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like to thank the lapsed fan forget
another year of absolutely tremendous content and also

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for an unforgettable experience when when we
hung out with a few of US motors

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in New York, it was quite
possibly the high point of my entire year.

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Not only getting to laugh and eat
some pretty great food with you both

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before and after JP in action,
but getting to put faces to some legendary

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names of Solar System members that I
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Yeah. That's the thrill for us, is Solar System members meeting each

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other face to face, like you
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They have their own you know,
legacy and legend status. Yeah.

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You know, it broke off over
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their own little coffee clashes. Yep, as we were, as we were

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going through New York. As soon
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my childhood nostalgia got the best of
me and I couldn't resist the urge

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to walk all the way from Grand
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It definitely was going to yes bacting
to see the Ghostbuster sign out front when

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I arrived, but as I stared
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little kid again. I knew I
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front of the station, which I
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she would appreciate it because she had
to put up with my Ghostbuster's obsession as

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a child. Now, thanks to
that cast, I was reminded of one

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very special summer, the summer of
nineteen eighty nine. Oh boy. During

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the Ghostbusters two episode of Under the
Sin, Matt Jack mentioned a core memory

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being unlocked for him. All that
episode did was unlocked memories for me.

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I could vividly remember staying what well
paced my bedtime and sneaking down to the

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living room my grandparents' house in New
Haven just to port ecoplasm ecoplasm, sorry,

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it's not ecoplasm, that's a whole
different thing. And to the top

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of my Ghostbusters firehouse onto any action
figure I could sit inside. Yes,

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that was the best. Oh oh, it was depicted on the box,

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wasn't it. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, you just fucking dropped the slime

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and slime. There was nothing better. Now. I know that slime is

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like a hip thing for kids these
days, but you know what, there

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was nothing like. You know.
The thing about it now is that it's

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like it's cool to make your own
slime. No, what was cool was

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sliming your action figures. Yes,
covering them in goo was money. Everything

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had a fucking slime option. Masters
of the Universe had a slim thing.

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Obviously, Ghostbusters did. They all
had fucking slime, like a slime created

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thing lovely to the top of the
Ghostbuster's firehouse on any actual figure I could

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fit inside while I listen to that
Ray Parker junior cassette single of the theme

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song and My Teddy Rupskin. I
can remember waiting all week to watch the

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cartoon and then sobbing like a little
bit whenever I had to miss an episode

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because my grandparents had errands to run, and then, like Kevin mc chemistro,

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I could be left home alone.
I thought I'd never get a chance

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to see those episodes ever again.
And that one time when Peter kept laying

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into Slimer and he got so upset
that he left a goodbye note and ran

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away while the Ghostbusters slept absolutely inconsolable. I remember my grandmother painting red glasses

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on my face and then throwing my
Kenner proton pack on my back so I

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could run around of the yard pretending
to be Egone, catching invisible ghosts as

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I jumped on the pedal that would
open the toy trap. Like I said,

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I was obsessed. I could talk
about memories like this forever. There

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was one memory in particular that you
guys managed to unlock, and when it

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hit me, I had to turn
the cast off for a while, wow

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and drive in silence because I just
wanted to get lost reliving it all over

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again. The sweetest memories boss or
sounds that bring our lost innocence back.

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Yes, you know what I mean, that put us back to that place.

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It was June of nineteen eighty nine. My family had just relocated as

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Southeastern Connecticut in October eighty eight to
be closer with my grandfather's job at United

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Nuclear. I was begging my mother
to take me to see Ghostbusters too.

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My birthday was the next month,
and I wouldn't ask for any other presence.

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If I could just get to see
this movie on the night it was

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released, and my mom broke the
news to me that she wouldn't be able

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to make take me that weekend.
As you'd imagine, I was devastated.

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She was working full time in a
women's prison. She got held a lot

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for doubles, so I didn't get
to see her much growing up as it

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was. And oh, sorry,
go ahead, like, okay, so

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imagining her working in a prison,
and then I'm imagining inmates going for like

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a double leg takedown. I was
gonna say it. Last time I heard

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of her getting held for doubles was
from Ganda. Oh God, tremendous,

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tremendous, awesome. So I didn't
get to see her much growing up as

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it was. And when I did
get to spend time, whether she had

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to fight to stay awake. Sometimes
we would make plans and you'd have to

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cancel the last minute when she got
ordered in. I loved watching movies and

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taking me to the theaters, where
she sometimes snuck in a couple hours sleep,

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because as much as she wanted to
stay home and get a full night's

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rest on her giant waterbed, wanting
to make sure, oh man, there's

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the waterbed. Oh you know,
I wanted nothing more than a water bed

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when I was a kid, just
so I could bounce around like a fool.

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I wanted to make sure I could
still have a good childhood meant more

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to her. It was the very
end of the school year, and as

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I sat in my first late classroom, I knew every other kid in there

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had to be daydreaming about summer vacation. All I could think about was Ghostbusters

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too, leaving the theater before I
could see it, because who knew how

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long it would take to come to
the ahs, and by then the other

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kids would have spoiled everything for me. That morning, as I stared out

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the window the playground, just wanting
to leave, I noticed a few of

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the kids in my class were looking
toward the doorway. I turned my head

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to see my mom standing smiling at
me. I knew at this match meant

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that I had the best mom in
the world. My mom managed to stay

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awake through the entire movie, but
I'm sure me marking out the whole damn

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time would have kept her awake.
Anyway, it ended up being the perfect

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day. You think that would have
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since I got home. I started
telling my grandparents all about the magic I

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just witnessed on the big screen.
And then I didn't know where I got

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this idea. I was inspired.
There was something now I needed to do.

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Next thing I knew I was pleading
with my grandparents to walk all the

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way up to the crown of the
Statue of Liberty with me. That's wow.

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They laughed at the thought. They
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and while they went for walks regularly, they were not excited about the

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idea of climbing all those stairs side
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But it happened, Yes, it
did. I remember being in the

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back of my grandfather's light blue Dodge
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the massive, big city buildings and
trying to contain my excitement for the entire

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ride. My grandparents were dressed like
they were about to play tennis, in

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their bright colored shorts and their white
sweat bands already in their foreheads. They

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would drag themselves up all those stairs, knowing they'd get tired almost immediately,

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like the Ghostbusters did climb in the
apartment stairs near the end of the first

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film, and I, with all
of my excited energy, end up being

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too busy, sprinting up a little
and then coming back down to motivate them

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to catch up to me. Yep
that I wasn't processing how much they were

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suffering just to make me happy.
Wink wank, nudge nudge X sounds familiar

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right there? Huh yeah, trure
words had never been spoken. Well.

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I couldn't wait to see what the
city would look like from the Crown.

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I didn't really have a plan other
than to make it to there, just

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to say that I did. However, on my way to New York,

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my grandmother handed me something that gave
me an opportunity to create that perfect moment.

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It was a cassette that her friend
had made for me. On the

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thin piece of masking tape on both
sides, I saw the title written in

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pen Ghostbusters too oh Wow. Immediately
threw it in my portable cassette player and

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blasted Bobby Brown's on our row to
my ears multiple times as we enter the

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city. But then I knew I
had to cue up the tape to a

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different song and save it a little
bit of battery until I made it to

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the top as we stood the crown
of Lady Liberty looking out over this island.

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I admit that the view was not
as spectacular as I had envisioned,

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but none of that mattered as I
placed my headphones over my years and ust

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to play one more time. Because
it isn't because isn't It's funny I fucking

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lived in New York, for which
betweens there's no chance, he went,

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I No, no, never,
That's how I'm trying to think. Isn't

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she not facing the city? No, no, it's facing the She's welcoming

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the being coming right, So it's
of course it's the worst fucking view you

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could possibly have. You can get
the same exact view by staying on the

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ground it. Indeed, when I
went, it was after nine to eleven.

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They didn't let you climb up again
yet, so I didn't feel like

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I was missing anything by not being
up there. I mean, I get

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it, and seven I haven't been
there, and probably since like the first

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time I ever went to New York, I think was the only time I

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ever went to Statue Liberty. None
of that mattered as I placed my headphones

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over my ears and pressed played one
more time. It was very crowded where

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I was standing, but as Howard
Huntsbury's cover of Higher and Higher kicked in,

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I closed my eyes and imagine the
Ghostbusters being there with me and Liberty

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was about to take us for that
walk through the streets of the city to

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save the day. When I opened
my eyes, I threw my arms up

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in victory and yelled, I love
this town, just like Winston did at

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the end of the original film.
I couldn't stop smiling all the way down

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to the pedestal. I couldn't have
imagined ever having a better summer than that

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one. I thank my grandparents for
taking me to New York, but I

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don't think I ever truly expressed to
them how much that trip meant to me,

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because sometimes you don't really understand it's
how special those moments are until you

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get a little older and those people
who helped create those memories are no longer

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here for you to think. That's
right. My mom is still here,

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though, and she lets me know
whenever the Ghostbusters movies are on TV.

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I think she still watches them because
they also think of our time together.

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Yeah. I had a really close
family friend who would always call me even

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when I was like thirty five when
the Grinch was on the cartoon. Ah,

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that's so cool or root all for
that matter. Maybe that's part of

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why I'm such a Christmas Mark.
I don't know. Probably, you know,

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it probably is. It's probably a
you know, part of it.

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And then because it's like my mom
always calls me if there's something, if

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there's something, oh sure, oh
you know, like I say, she

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when she called me that that Bobby
Lashley was on Good Morning America, Well,

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I'm sure we dropped everything, dropped
everything, and I dropped trow as

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well. Oh my god. I
think she still watches them because they make

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her think of our time together when
I was a little kid. She gets

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nostalgic, just like I do.
And to this day she would tell people

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about her surprising me at school on
that day in nineteen eighty nine. Look,

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let me just tell you, folks, Okay, if you don't have

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children yet, or if you do
when they're really young, surprise your kids

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at school at least once. They're
never going to forget it. Yeah,

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an early pick up, a surprise
pick up, to do it, do

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it. It's all I can say. One of the things about her nostalgia

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is that she will also watch the
movies that she watched with her parents when

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they were raising her. Even though
Christmas is and what it used to be

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in our family, and I can
see that it's hard for my mother to

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be without her mom and dad every
year. Right before Christmas last month,

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she asked me to help her find
one movie, It's a Wonderful Life.

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As a child, had no patience
for black and white films unless they became

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colorized at some point I could pay
a whole d I just didn't appreciate good

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storytelling with a lot of action,
violence, bright colors, or laugh so

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I could never pay attention to this
movie. Whenever my grandparents watched it,

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I just wanted to watch some Rank
and Bass instead. And it's like,

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god, oh, oh, I'm
straight. I understand that too. I

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continued to refuse to watch it because
I knew it would just make me miss

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my grandparents. One day, I
finally caved, and that day happened in

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December of twenty twenty three, when
I found my mom was just watching it

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over and over again. I've already
typed too much. Whilst all I'll say

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is when George Bailey was on the
bridge, yelling I want to live again.

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I found myself struggling to hold back
some tears. All I could think

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about was more opportunities that I missed
to bond with my grandparents. I get

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this movie now, and it's beautiful. My grandfather in particular, are left

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to talk about movies, and I
just wish I could have enjoyed this one

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sooner when he was still here.
So I want to thank JP for the

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ridiculous amount of work he puts into
each episode of Under the Cinemat, even

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for the movies that I think don't
deserve that level of effort, because for

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all I know, some of those
films could mean something to someone. But

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thank you for these two itisodes in
particular. Even when I didn't think I

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had a lot of common interest with
my loved ones, I realize we will

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always have that connection through our love
of film. And that's why hearing you

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two share stories of your childhood is
also important because it triggers the memories that

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remind me and I'm sure many other
members of the Solar System why our childhoods

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were special too. And closing,
I'd like to leave you with my favorite

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Dan Draper quote. Nostalgia. It's
delicate but potent. Teddy told me that

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in Greek, nostalgia literally means the
pain from an old wound. It's a

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twinge in your heart, far more
powerful than memory alone. This device isn't

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a spaceship. It's a time machine. It goes backwards and forwards. It

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takes us to a place where we
ache to go again. It's not called

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the wheel, it's called the carousel. It lets us travel the way a

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child travels around and around and back
home again, to a place where we

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know we are loved. Ah fuck
me. Actually wait, Much like one

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of JP's castmates and King of the
Jews trying to surprise us with a small

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package at the end of the first
act, this is a false finish.

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I want to end this on a
more upbeat note. That's so awesome.

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I have a story that I can't
believe I forgot to share with you before,

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and I swear that this is absolutely
true. June twenty fifteen, New

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England fan Fest, Providence, mart
Island. Oh my god, I just

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got back and watching wrestling two years
prior, and while I was somewhat familiar

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with the few of them were modern
names in the building. I was there

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for the people from my youth,
legends like Jim Cornette, Jim Ross,

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the funks, the think rather probably
think you can tell what your frame of

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mine, Diamond, and the expostulate
great means Ginochron. Jean had a voice

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that, without fail I could close
my eyes and listen to and be magically

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transported back to the living room floor
in front of my grandparents television every time

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I heard it. Sure, I
have specific memories attached to these other personalities,

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but only Jeane and Sean Mooney had
the power to take me back there

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every single time. When I sat
next to Geene, I couldn't help but

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thank him for being such an important
part of my life as a young wrestling

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fan. Jean responded, I'll tell
you something, Scott as he posses,

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Oh you will, you will,
Jeane, You're gonna don't see that one

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coming. Gene, thanks pal as
He puts his arm behind my back and

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looked up with a smile on his
face for a photo together, before continuing,

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I've had one hell of a career. I've been very fortunate, and

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if I had to do it all
over again, He then turned his head

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to look at me dead in the
eyes, the smile now gone from his

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face, and he said I wouldn't
Jeane should have fucking done the weather.

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There's a moment of awkward silence as
I tried to process would it just come

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out of his mouth? There was
no wink, no smile, no further

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comment. Was he working me?
I opened my mouth to try and say

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something, but I froze like Ralphie
Parker being asked by I'm all Santa.

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I didn't wanted to. Jean then
shook my hand and I left, but

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not before he wrote holy balls on
it by ten because for some reason he

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was trying to get that over.
What to be a wrestling fan, right

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boss on wrestling fans have experiences like
that. Fucking Jing goes out like goes

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close to Scott's He goes kill me. Well please, got it? Got

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done. I can't do this anymore, And in closing, Scott writes,

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I can't help but wonder for these
legends who've been around the business too long,

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who've seen too much, that it
might be inevitable that all of them

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eventually will become lapsed fans. Yes, holy balls, Scott balls. I

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thought that was worth reading. That
is exceptional It connects what we tried to

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do for you this Christmas season with
what we're trying to do with TLFX.

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Why we've been around for ten years, why we'll continue to be around for

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another ten because we tap into what
Scott just talked about, and wrestling happens

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to be the perfect vessel to tap
into that exploration of nostalgia. And once

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you get a taste of the fact
that we're up to that in addition to

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laying down definitive histories of the most
consequential nights and moments and characters and professional

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wrestling history, you might just start
to get it. TOLFX Boss, It's

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a real thing. That absolutely is
also a real thing. Is the upcoming

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International LATS Day. This is going
to be on Saturday, January twentieth.

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Keep your eyes peeled to our x
account or Twitter account for details on this.

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This has been an opportunity to find
exact time codes and episode numbers for

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any moment in our ten year catalog
that you recall fondly and why don't we

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listen to but understandably don't even know
where to start, And a lot of

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times you remember something but you don't
know what event it's attached to because we

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have a tendency, I don't know, let's say, to go off on

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tangents and talk about things that have
nothing to do with the pay per view

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we set down to discuss, for
instance, reading this all timer email from

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a motor on a laps clung episode. You know, but this is the

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chance to, in the spirit of
TLFX and looking back on all we've done,

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find those things and so at the
ready we'll be members of this incredible

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group that's formed called the Lapsed power
Plant. These are a collection of super

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fans with a tremendous wherewithal when it
comes to archival skills, digital search,

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just cataloging. I mean, this
is it's basically like our in house library

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and it's uh, it's going to
be at your disposal. Are you talking

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about and talking about digital transformation fanwidth? Is that what it is that you're

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talking about? The wheelhouse disruption?
Are you talking about you know, a

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Paradigm partner platforms triple P yes?
Do you say, by the way,

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do you say Paradigm partner platforms?
I mean that sounds like that sounds like

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someone that tried to it, sounds
like a company that started to try to

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take over China on demand video.
In two thousand and two, a pre

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a pre revenue company out of Beijing
went public because look at all these Chinese

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people. What if they all had
what if they all paid two dollars to

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watch a movie? We would max
three hundred million dollars a day. I'm

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up your shirt. I don't know. I think so, I don't know.

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I'm just saying triple P. So
avail yourselves on Twitter. There's also

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going to be a basically do it
on Reddit and discord and other forums if

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you're not on x to be able
to get the elapsed power plant working for

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you, to find those time codes
would be a fun event, so you

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know where to look for that.
And we also want to put the call

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out firmly. We we already had
some of these backed up because we first

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started making the call for audio recollections
knowing TLFX was around the corner, So

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we have several in the chamber already. But as you've noticed, a weekly

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here in TLFX, we're going to
try to post some audio recollections from members

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of the Solar System to take the
time to sit down for a couple of

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minutes ten minutes. I don't care
how long it is, Yeah, yep,

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and just try to put your finger
on why TLF, why you think

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TLF has been going strong for a
decade and what it means to you.

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And we've gotten some great input so
far coming your way. If you haven't

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already heard it, you'll be hearing
more of it. And we heartily encourage

409
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you to send audio in this vein
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410
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throughout the course of twenty twenty four
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411
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and share them with the entire listenership
in the form of what we're calling theself

412
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.920
TLFX testimonials. So lots going on, big year, big time, big

413
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.440
doings. And again, as I
said, we're rounding third in this one

414
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.839
of a kind examination of the Funker's
legacy. So we continue in the ECW

415
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.160
track, Boss, and I want
to take a temperature check from you.

416
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.519
I mean, we saw Funk come
in from the very first Eastern Championship Wrestling

417
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.319
taping and a Blazer trying to be
a host that turns into a guy who

418
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.319
feuds with the book of the company
at the time that a Gilbert who saw

419
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.039
the triple threat match or the three
way dances you see that we called it

420
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.839
with Chane Douglas and Saboo. I'm
sure you're not excited and thrilled to continue

421
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.400
in the Ring of Extreme. Do
you find yourself feeling any differently than you

422
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:29.960
expected to hear on this LEGA,
No, it's about the same, And

423
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:37.319
you expect me to feel how and
do feel how? Upsetting and revolutionary stuff,

424
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.240
it's not. It's cheap. Okay, it's cheap. They don't have

425
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.519
a lot of resources, that's true. I mean, I mean it's a

426
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:52.400
cheap way to like listen, and
I agree. You know, it's hard

427
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:57.400
for me to say because when I
was when I was again, if I

428
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:02.880
had been, if I had found
ECW in the nineteen nineties, I would

429
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.680
have been all about it and I
might have nostalgia for it at this point

430
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:12.160
if I if I had found it
at the right time. But now knowing

431
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:18.920
what these guys put themselves through,
knowing how many are no longer with us

432
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:29.279
because of the YEP, the peripheral
or whatever, you know, the collateral

433
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:34.039
damage. Yeah, the collateral damage
is exactly it is. It's like I

434
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.240
can't I can't enjoy it. I
don't get any enjoyment out of it.

435
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.920
Yes, I can say, oh
yeah, great, you know Terry Funk

436
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:47.440
did live and didn't die directly because
of this shit. But it's like I

437
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:55.160
I, I can't help but think
of my dad fucking doing moon salts and

438
00:29:55.240 --> 00:30:00.079
shit because he's you know, the
same age, you know, and like

439
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:07.519
this is ridiculous, and it just
I I just don't It's it just seems

440
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:15.759
like a cheap way to satisfy,
not even satisfy, but to it's like

441
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.759
a drug. It's because they're never
satisfied, right, It's like a drug,

442
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:26.440
really is what it is. And
you because now you know that first

443
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.640
whatever it was, like that first
moment when people realize that ECW is something

444
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:40.119
different, You're never going to get
that back because it's like anything the first

445
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:47.400
time it happens, you can never
get back that moment because your expectations are

446
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:52.359
now at a certain level because now
you've seen something that excites you. Now

447
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.640
you've seen something that was different than
what you ever saw before. And so

448
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.920
now like if they're one of the
biggest problems being a wrestling fan is that

449
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:07.640
feeling in general, And now they've
got it where people are doing extremely violent

450
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:22.200
things, completely unsafe things and damaging
themselves and other people for what. No,

451
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.599
it's great, it's a great point. The for what is because that's

452
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.960
what it took to stand out in
pro wrestling in the nineties. They have

453
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:30.160
a job. I mean, you've
got to think a high of these guys,

454
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.240
but it's not a job if you're
not getting paid well. That towards

455
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.759
the end, that was a big
issue, of course, But no,

456
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.359
I mean, you know, these
guys were getting paid well enough. ECW

457
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.640
actually I think punched above its weight
in terms of some of the salaries,

458
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.640
and you were able to offer guys
like Taz and Rob Van Dam when the

459
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.480
rating of their talent started aggressively,
particularly from WCW first, and they're able

460
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.759
to put down the right guys got
paid, But it was always robbing Peter

461
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.640
to pay Paul kind of thing.
It seems to me it's teams that for

462
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.000
everybody who got paid, there was
someone who didn't. In the next week,

463
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.119
right, there was someone different who
didn't get paid and someone different who

464
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.400
did, perhaps more towards you know, when those contracts got locked in.

465
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.759
It it's basically the strategy you know
that Vince has always had, although he

466
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.279
had sort of like an arm's length
relationship with Paul and ECW, and in

467
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.440
fact, as we learned years later, kicked in some money to keep the

468
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.799
thing kind of going so that he
could send guys like Al Snow and other

469
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.400
guys he didn't know what to do
with down there for reinvention. It's just,

470
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.079
you know, sign guys to big
contracts so that the guy who can't

471
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.720
afford it has to match it,
like a Jim Crockett has to also start

472
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.839
offering big fat contracts to keep you, and then eventually they'll not be able

473
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.640
to pay those contracts. I'm sure
that's part of his psychology with ECW before

474
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:51.359
he exited, and I'm sure Triple
A just picked up that mentality as well.

475
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.200
It's just, you know, let
him have Adam Copeland. You know

476
00:32:54.519 --> 00:33:00.000
it's not going to last long.
Of course, Aw's tremendously more wealth resourced

477
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:06.119
than he CW was in the nineties, but that's kind of that's kind of

478
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.880
the thing. So they ended up, i think, having to pay their

479
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.359
top guys a lot more than they
ever expected they would have to, and

480
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.359
that's when the lower guys really started
to get problems. But in the beginning.

481
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:21.160
You know, this is just a
cast of misfit toys who probably wouldn't

482
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.359
make a time in the wrestling business
if not for Hayman coming up with this

483
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.480
presentation where they actually had a place
where a guy like Mikey Riprack could become

484
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.880
an ECW World champion and excite people
just because a promoter saw in him a

485
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:38.880
chance to have a totally unpredictable and
you know, just sort of an orthodox

486
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.480
looking guy pulled a rugout from under
someone of him become champion for a great

487
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.039
moment, and Mikey Ripwreck had a
job in wrestling for a decade because Paul

488
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.519
Hayman did that for him and Spike
Dudley and know there's for him, you

489
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.759
know, I mean, Paul did
it for the show, but he did

490
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.759
it with guys that WWF and WCW
would have never done a single thing with.

491
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.119
But a lot of those guys,
to your point, met untimely demises.

492
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:05.799
Too many of them did. And
we sat here thinking of TLFX.

493
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.519
We sat here years ago now ten
years after the ben WA tragedy in twenty

494
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:15.400
seventeen, trying to grapple with what
culpability we have as wrestling fans, if

495
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.599
indeed you follow the logic that ben
Wah's brain trauma contributed to the tragedy,

496
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:25.800
which was was basically gospel for years, and then all of a sudden people

497
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.920
decided to start questioning that again because
people in the business can't deal with the

498
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.599
fact that they may be next,
right, so they have to tamp down

499
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.159
that as a contributing factor in their
minds. I understand the cope, right,

500
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.679
I understand the cope. But you
know what about ECW. What about

501
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.079
grappling with that? What about grappling
with the fact that they couldn't do what

502
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:50.760
you sat there expecting them to do
without copious amounts of pain killers, Yes,

503
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.239
without you know, incredible risk to
their to life and limb, and

504
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.679
a lot of ugly stories out of
that locker room as the years went.

505
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.000
And if you go back and tell
the ECW story with clear eyes, it's

506
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:08.199
it's very, very very few of
these stories and positively and in fact,

507
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:14.800
there's about none of them. Do
really you could say a guy like Taz,

508
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:15.880
you know, found a way to
make a good living in the business

509
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.480
for the rest of his life and
didn't have to, you know, subject

510
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:24.400
himself the further physical harm after currenting
neck injury, but very few vandam he's

511
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:29.239
kind of on the purphery of the
business now still kind of paid decent physical

512
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.039
health. It would seem high as
a kite all the time, which you

513
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:35.000
know it's not to do. I'm
not saying that disparagingly. I'm just saying

514
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.840
he's somebody that you know probably has
as much has Mara wanted a thing for

515
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:45.039
feeling like he can walk around as
much as Sure, you know the business

516
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.320
taking it easy on him. It
certainly didn't. But I don't know,

517
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.599
and I think we need to keep
that in mind as we watched Terry Funk's

518
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:57.679
CCW run, what conditions is he
contributing to and what expectations is he looking

519
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.039
to say, because I think and
the very beginning he had, along with

520
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.079
everybody else who's kind of plugged in
the early stages of this underground thing,

521
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.480
were enchanted by the idea that this
is just a wide open canvas of possibilities.

522
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.519
Sure, East w is gonna do
things we've never seen before in pro

523
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.679
wrestling, and happens to have the
unique mixture of like underground cred but with

524
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:20.000
enough exposure that they actually can afford
people that we care about to come in

525
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.760
and do these things and get the
usitary funk, to get the rub off

526
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.360
people we haven't heard from that can
do wild stunts in the ring and things

527
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.719
like that. Guys like Public Enemy
who no one in the world saw much

528
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.039
in, particularly Johnny Grunge, I
mean Rock a Rock was a good high

529
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.639
flyer and stuff, but as a
team I mean Todd Gordon and Paul Hayman

530
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.599
absolutely pushed them to the moon is
like this and basically took guys that never

531
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.079
would have gotten jobs in WCW and
made them eligible for that sweet ass you

532
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.119
know, fucking guaranteed money. They
even went to WWF for a cup of

533
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.840
coffee until they started mouthing off like
they belonged, which with the JBL in

534
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.239
the locker room is not going to
last very long. That's a whole loving

535
00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:00.840
story. But these are guys that
got the shine off of the talent that

536
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.480
this group was able to attract,
just small enough to go completely fucking ape

537
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:07.679
shit and just big enough to do
it with people we actually cared about.

538
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.320
It might turn our heads and say, remember, Shane Douglas, you know

539
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:14.159
what I mean, Like like you
said, if you if you had the

540
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.079
if you had the ability to watch
ECW, or you're aware of ECW,

541
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.119
and you heard Shane Douglas was their
champion, and you thought back to Shane

542
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:28.039
Douglas from WAFNWCW, you'd be intrigued
to see what he'd become at least sure,

543
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.599
I say you'd love it. But
there's something there. It's not just

544
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.800
a bunch of nobodies, you know, they're trying to try to intrigue you

545
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.000
with, and Terry Funk was among
them, obviously the most tenured and respected

546
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.360
names. It was just it was
such a it was a dash of like

547
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.280
caviare you know, almost in this
fucking pedestrian fast food plate. Not to

548
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:52.800
say Terry Funk is fancy, but
somebody of his prestige and respect in the

549
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.119
business who hadn't yet gone so far
off the deep end that he was thought

550
00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:00.360
of as like, you know,
a crash test dummy almost of what he

551
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.840
would do in the ring. That
was like endlessly fascinating that this group that's

552
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.280
this incredibly violent and edgy take on
wrestling has a space for Terry Funk and

553
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.320
he's not and it's not a space
where he's going down there as we saw

554
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.559
in our first episode of the ACW
part of this journey. It's not a

555
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.400
space where he goes down there and
acts like he's you know, lost his

556
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.239
mind and his burning things that that
happens. But in the very beginning,

557
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.280
as we saw h when he goes
face to face with Shane Douglas after keeping

558
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:30.199
the title off of the Three Way
Dance and they do that that phony press

559
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.280
conference afterwards and Shane Douglas gets in
his face. Terry, we see a

560
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.840
Terry Funk there. Boss. That's
just like he's a James Dean. He's

561
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.519
like a he's like an old cowboy. He's not nuts at all. No,

562
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.280
no, and and and there is
something to that because he wasn't the

563
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:50.880
crazy, the crazy guy he was. He was really just an Yeah.

564
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.719
He was like a like you.
It's like a John Wayne type, you

565
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.920
know, kind of holding the fort. Yeah and kinda you know, the

566
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.760
last the last cowboy. He's someone
crazy and enough, he's crazy, but

567
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:06.920
he's crazy to believe that ECW had
a shot to become a phenomenon and he

568
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.400
would stake his reputation and put all
the equity he built up in decades of

569
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.639
being on top of the wrestling business
into this one quixotic little idea in Philadelphia.

570
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.199
That was what was crazy. That
he would lend his cachet to that,

571
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.400
right and actually, you know,
be willing to say, like,

572
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:28.840
if ECW totally sucks and fails,
then but I'm about hardcore fans. He

573
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.079
knew, he knew that that was
the thing to tap into, that that

574
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:36.280
was what ECW had to beat on. That was unique, and he broadcast

575
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.440
that and the clip we played,
and and a lot of times when he

576
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.280
discussed what it meant to him to
be in ECW and what he thought he

577
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.800
was there to accomplish. So that's
what the original craziness of Terry Funk was

578
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.039
in ECW. It wasn't necessarily moon
salts or hyper violent matches or anything crazy.

579
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.920
It was that he was willing to
fly this flag and potentially fall in

580
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.639
his face and it was just for
nothing because no one gave a shit because

581
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.559
they're in a bingo hall, you
know. But it didn't. And that's

582
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:05.679
why Terry Funk lives on forever.
Because when he told you something was worth

583
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.800
something, when he told you that
there was a there, there there always

584
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:13.079
was. You know. He he
led you places where yeah, even if

585
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.480
everything else around him sucked, he
knew what the wrestling fan really needed to

586
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:22.239
feel satiated and wouldn't rest until he
gave it to them. And he was

587
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.239
able to read that from a crowd
in Saint Louis in nineteen seventy five just

588
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.440
as well as he was able to
read that from a crowd of two hundred

589
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.800
people in Philadelphia in nineteen ninety three. So that's that's the legacy in so

590
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.719
many ways, what we talked about
the Sabou series and his interplay with Saboo

591
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.440
last time. We're going to look
at another Saboo match here, but this

592
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.320
one unlike the one we saw on
the Northeast Independence, and just sort of

593
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.840
a snippet, a snapshot, if
you will, of the kind of matches

594
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.159
Funk was having, not just an
ECW with Saboo, but in all sorts

595
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.440
of Northeast indies that were, you
know, sort of lean into all the

596
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.000
hype about Saboo and what his matches
were like with Terry Funk and wanted to

597
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.079
bring it to an arena near you. We're gonna actually watch these two tangles

598
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.920
in the ECW ring. So if
you can go and open up disc twenty

599
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:08.400
two. Boss, This is from
nineteen ninety four, and in a lot

600
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:13.800
of ways it's going to set up
I think, not just this twenty two

601
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.760
ECW Matches was like at the time, but how they began to plant the

602
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.719
seed in the minds of the fans
that we are hyper creative and we are

603
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.719
going to deliver surprises, and we
are going to deliver twist and turns,

604
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.719
not just stunts and not just violent
table bumps. You know we're going to

605
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.920
also, I believe when I say
it, reward you showing up expecting to

606
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:39.679
be shocked as well as it's almost
like grossed out. Best of Terry Fun

607
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:45.920
twenty two. You got it?
What's the timecode again? One? Fifteen

608
00:41:45.119 --> 00:42:02.960
nineteen one, fifteen nineteen one,
fifteen nineteen. Brother, all right,

609
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.480
I'm there, here we go,
all right, three two one play here's

610
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:21.079
me, sir. But mister Hughes
is no condition to tonight. I signed

611
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.800
a wrestling guys hang up here to
give these people a wrestling match, and

612
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.239
I always have and I came here
to wrestle for this man right here talking.

613
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:35.400
I coming on. How would you
like it if I wrestled you out

614
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:39.559
it? Oh? What's a matter
boy, come on home. Oh shut

615
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:44.719
up if you'd like to have a
fight with me, not that I would

616
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:49.519
ever stand a chance with you.
I know somebody that would want to face

617
00:42:49.639 --> 00:43:02.000
you. Why don't you fight sat
I'm not afraid of any man of peace.

618
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.079
People want me to wrestle him,
I'll go ahead, Nash shows,

619
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.880
But what do you want? He
just cracked Terry fuck with the telephone.

620
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:22.719
It's would be happy if challenge true. Stubby reference something real to ring.

621
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:30.000
No wait, carrybody puts a classic
bolt on head just like the whip floor

622
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:36.280
into the sluts, the eye come
taboos in the way the work you got

623
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:43.119
Terry fuckaboo stopping away now on Terry
with the lemon Lion number on tonight.

624
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:49.880
Indeed he does look like a sprite
can with Terry fuck take live mellow yellow

625
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.360
w That's true. What more could
you ask for? That's Terry Sos came

626
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.199
in bridsided, funked with the phone. Funk came back with the bag over

627
00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:59.719
his head. But Sad was going
back to the way by his order los

628
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:04.920
ring the time he was still escaped
the I don't know if you heard me

629
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:10.519
before, but did you know that
Seth McFarlane was a referee. It seems

630
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:20.960
today that all you see is violence
and wrestling and sexy everybody stalking Terry buck

631
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:27.159
stalking. Oh yeah, throws back
in the ring. So this is just

632
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:34.039
stup of once after the three Day
danced with Slate, so you know,

633
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.960
interesting is to tussling then been seated. Yeah, sabs a chair in the

634
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.719
frame, cracks funk across the back
with it. I started looking a lot

635
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.920
more like the c W ran out
of the bad enough fans that there's seats

636
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.719
a lord camer side on it gets
the program, it's out of the window,

637
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:57.679
takes off Terry, the seat of
the chair, clos on and funk

638
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:04.760
over the finds another ta to the
land on somehow excluding using a steel chairge

639
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.719
right, because I should bring you
up. Today, Jamie Douglas did face

640
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:14.119
for defending his easy W heavyweight title. The match ended in this qualification.

641
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:25.320
Therefore, the franchise is anyway champion
Well Terry fuckus leg sliding down a bar

642
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.440
in the wrestler. Our next big
card will be here at the c W

643
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.320
Arena on Saturday night, May fourteenth, and by the time this show airs

644
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.760
in a couple of days, you
can call the East c W hotline s

645
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:45.199
away on fuck wows a little wobbley. Actually he goes face first into the

646
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:50.320
turnpok. That's when you know it's
the nineties, babuy, when they're pushing

647
00:45:50.360 --> 00:46:00.000
hotlines on puck once finding his way
into the ring once again the right elevation

648
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:07.360
if you want to call up slap
at all, terry fuck barely escaping and

649
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:16.840
deboo stumps away. Still there's I
think it's Nike. They again, that's

650
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.920
right. Be a tourney point the
aprint. It's an attack you can block.

651
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.159
You have come to life and land
ahead. Fun for ab. A

652
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.840
couple of people heads and launches from
the d. I'll tell you whatever we

653
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:34.559
had scheduled lam a multi camera shoot. Were so one style, hard camera.

654
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.360
I'm the leave, go get there. It's month into two. I'm

655
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:42.599
scheduled and we'll be like TD tailor
floor. So this is on the Sports

656
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:47.199
channel Philadelphia, which is pretty primarily
close to the role in the Eastern which

657
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.559
will be a man some syndicated stations
in its each they blinked up their television

658
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.000
right there, sometimes four and finances
turning into twenty four program how many stakes

659
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:01.840
they reached. But it is you
know, it was a clopper together work.

660
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:07.079
This is before the barboe. It
was just e C W l an.

661
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.880
That's what I think of that.
Vctims in the cour of fun setting

662
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.760
up. They named themselves Extremeline and
the streamed out was thrown down the beat.

663
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:21.519
But they weren't really really ready to
like a stream bottle slope. You

664
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.400
know, they still could write that
I wanted to appear to be in the

665
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:31.480
traditional wrestling territory fun signaling once again
whose neck breakers and the funk appears to

666
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:38.199
be busted open signing the terry fight
the man that the legend. You don't

667
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.719
talk about that the chair is a
s funk loading the chair into the room

668
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:49.079
and throwing it in from the outside, holy dangerously at Taboo, nobody expected

669
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:55.639
them to be out there golding the
chair out of driveld. Actually he took

670
00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:02.280
the most leisurely See, I just
wanted to sit down and want had I

671
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.920
want to head took a seat.
I want to head took a chair.

672
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.159
I want to have took a taboo
because ship. I want to have took

673
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:14.559
a seat because I went ahead and
got tired. Oh yeah, that's how

674
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.679
much going ahead? Of course,
you got time, threw up with the

675
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:22.960
chair and sp the headway that it
flies off the apron to the table on

676
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:28.159
the floor entry table. I don't
thing a busted. It's not that cold

677
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:35.000
concrete floor and the table you cross, you're starting place to books ruled the

678
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:39.320
rest seat there he goes here,
he goes, this is a bad president.

679
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:45.639
He saw chair chair after chairs,
gonna do it. Yeah, there's

680
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:52.760
the start doing it. You wait, we're gonna go into here, you

681
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:58.519
know, like this is the problem
and getting this this is it like you

682
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.679
know, fans have been given the
opportunity, they've been given the pen door's

683
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:07.360
box open to do ship that they
really shouldn't be doing because they don't.

684
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:21.239
I'm sorry, but fails don't know
how wrestlers protect themselves know or including photographers.

685
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:30.199
Look at the funk. Yeah your
shirt shirt, your fucking your fucking

686
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.239
bitch at him. So he did
he kind of did the spot we referenced.

687
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.840
He set the table up almost like
a wall, and that's sad Ran

688
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:44.679
Sabinet walking bust it open while they
just don't have to kill resources to give

689
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:45.840
them this type shot of it.
So it's covered. It's kind of a

690
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:50.480
waste. Although he's blading more for
the people than the TV comes. This

691
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:57.480
is Jesus sling Shop flip dive to
the floor by Savage Lovers. The funk.

692
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.880
Yeah, you can just feel the
gears turned, and I think,

693
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:06.880
like you know, like and like
you know, the little kid monializes like

694
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.760
he's hoard away old or something and
makes aquence. Yeare two more fantasies,

695
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.480
right, come home in the house
is a total disaster, right talk is

696
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.239
about this and you wonder and you
oh no, no, no, no

697
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.639
no, come on, still in
the bottom rope like a letter bomb things

698
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:27.159
and thinking they just took off to
the floor. Did the funk? They

699
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:31.039
my daddy? That's so why does
he do it? I mean, I'm

700
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:37.760
thinking back to February because because he
needs the money pretty much. Job being

701
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:47.199
called the night the line was brought
job but Walmart the regulized the bomb arteas

702
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.280
and the clutches a little funk.
Yes it is with no warning and this

703
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.519
guy is like you would never tell
people's why. Oh my god, he

704
00:50:53.599 --> 00:51:00.400
almost get into the fire in a
chair like a bullet across the ring arties

705
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:05.920
in the prospector that chair. I
should have gone. I hadn't gotten that

706
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:12.679
job, but move off the chair, clips on going up. It applies

707
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.920
from the faithful, enthusiastic, the
blood thirsty. They're on their feet.

708
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:22.440
But I still don't think that they've
lastering. The boy still come off as

709
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:27.760
a bit more distant. Yeah,
yeah, of course. I mean it's

710
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:32.199
you know, you have to because
you know why you got it. You

711
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.719
gotta when you when you introduce a
new drug to the market. Yes,

712
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:42.599
okay, you need to. You
need to get it around first. You

713
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.039
know, it's not like everyone's got
it at the same time. You know,

714
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:52.199
try for christ sick hold it out
chair. That guy, that guy

715
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:57.119
up front, he is, he
is like, yeah, Terry terrf living

716
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:01.039
whatever the yeah that guy. Yeah, that guy right there he was and

717
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:07.400
he was customer number one, all
right, that goes to right ingested the

718
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.280
drug and he was like, holy
ship, this is what I need to

719
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.400
survive. Looks at last, customer
number one at the new Old Old Country

720
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:22.199
Cafe they opened up on the road
the cracker Barrel to funk had a chair

721
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.280
folded out of the corner, sab
off the middle rope and I'm off the

722
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:31.599
wap. What's the masked wrestler doing
here? What the is that like the

723
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:38.960
orderlies that bring Saba in animation straight
out? Well, So Saboo was like,

724
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.679
it's like Kamala. I don't know
who it could be in this case,

725
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:50.760
who's under the name, even Terry
thinking that fucking stupid let him on

726
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.360
a table on the floor. Cage
came out shot, Uh, you know

727
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:57.199
what, Taboo, you know what. I'm not gonna go ahead and do

728
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.760
that. I'm gonna get the fun
out of dog. He cuts me in

729
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.000
a cross fire. So we got
out of the way and celebrated with the

730
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.400
leg drop crashed through the table on
the floor. But as we discovered the

731
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.320
last time, in the last one, he'll do that even if Terry Funk

732
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.400
isn't on the table right he'll he'll
do that even though there's no crowd,

733
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.840
Like I heard he does that at
his home. I good fun trying to

734
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.920
load this busted up table out of
the road, Like went ahead and put

735
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.920
the fucking table, you know,
but that son of a bitch had to

736
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:27.920
fucking break it apart. And I'm
gonna go ahead and eat a heat a

737
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.400
eat a sardine. Pretty much.
He was waving the funcker was waving on

738
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.119
help from the crowd. To get
the table then, and maybe it was

739
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:45.119
this frest let day. Well,
Paul's skiing getting fucking Zach Morris phone where

740
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.400
those tell the cell phones? What
is the saxon in before it? Yeah?

741
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.199
Yeah, come on, he didn't
have to flip phones. They dated.

742
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:57.159
Yeah, yeah, he's important.
The laddies said, I'll be looking

743
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:02.920
too, and lads instead of back
and then a piece of broken off table

744
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:13.440
funk of dt te Lion's attacking and
destroyed one of his minions. Jerry,

745
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.639
there's one of the kids who came
down and helped funk Turby in that way.

746
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.639
Might have been a wrestler, sure
right to this kind of a come

747
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.239
on, don to the wright.
Joey stalls telling he coming down if you're

748
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:34.199
table spouse furniture un picked up the
broken piece of dable and deemed himself over

749
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:39.119
the head. Why don't do that
down, Jerry buck, come on totally.

750
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:42.599
Yeah, there's still hunks coming out. He's gold with the spinning toe

751
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.119
hold. One of the massmen that
brought Savu out got on the aprins and

752
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.000
funk level hit of the left and
I was pummeling on this the rocket rebel

753
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.920
rocket r all right now, Jose
him as the rock and rebel who was

754
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:57.480
a wrestler one w at the time, taking the payoff from Paul Up.

755
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.519
Now the fun We're going back to
the spinning told on several and other maskman

756
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:06.920
in the open funk Tag's hand going
for the mask again and it's coke math

757
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.559
before that Taboo's number one handling Savage, number one handler. I guess he

758
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.880
wasn't really established, just a teavcator
d again the legs like picked up.

759
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:21.239
Back to the spinning toe hol the
Fuckersaboo desperately trying to flight it all carry

760
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.159
clips becomes another mask man attacking the
fucker springing neck breaker? Who's this?

761
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:36.199
Have we established no rules? Was
never just qualifications? Even early problem I

762
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.360
think that was always shut up post
up. He just dropped like Jesus,

763
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:46.000
oh huge lemy off the top by
this mask man who is he was not

764
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:52.039
among the orderly who brought Sabbage to
the room. There's the dropped the sabboot

765
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:58.880
co two Funk is down for three
thanks to the interference of this Paul hired

766
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:04.159
help put it man that the story
is it dory? Funk? Is it

767
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:09.920
dunk? The Dorians coming away pick
up the phone on businesses. He having

768
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:14.719
the ring, he just dropped it
out. Tommy Scott in here, Mick

769
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:20.800
Foley's who is it that beautiful Bobby? Bobby, Bobby, that's a c

770
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:25.039
W Bobby. What the fuck?
Todd Gordon hits the ring like he's an

771
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:30.199
invading w W. Lesson he gets
dropped, Paul Haymond Mount cadd Gordon striking

772
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:31.639
him in the back of the head
with the phone. It's chaos. Ship's

773
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:36.079
taking a lot and looks like Bobby
and has been doing. Just ahead,

774
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.639
Wait a minute, who the fuck
is as said carn Anderson, double a

775
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:45.079
easy dupoy? What Anderson? They're
going that? If the fuck is going

776
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.320
on here, they're going barn Anderson
and Bobby hitting and Lucy w in nineteen

777
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.719
ninety four Doo Doo too, the
saboo by the enforcer. What are the

778
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:57.119
people doing what they're doing? Are
you look the step Stadlers at this time

779
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:04.000
walking on take the shirt office.
They're definitely dangerous Alliance guys too, that's

780
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.679
for sure. That's it. I
haven't seen this fired up in years in

781
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.639
the West and West than people don't
think. I don't think I've seen this

782
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:19.480
fired up since then. What a
surprise that was it still it's still Easter

783
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.440
appeged me. They hadn't done the
I think it was later in ninety four,

784
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:25.639
so but they had, you know, kind of understood that we need

785
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:31.159
to start delivering some hyper violence and
letting Saboo room free. But yeah,

786
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:36.599
that that's that's the kicker on ECW, man, you know, like they

787
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.639
bring in these guys that, like
you think would make such an awkward fit

788
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.840
for the style, and they just
find ways to fit into the tapestry of

789
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.679
what ECW was presenting like when they
brought it in. But how did that?

790
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.559
How are they able to do that
because they were both working with w

791
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.800
CW. And that's this is sort
of how we come to the next leg

792
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.599
of our story. I don't want
to get too far ahead. Well,

793
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.119
yeah, who else was working with
w W in nineteen ninety four, or

794
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:06.400
think about it was Funk the Funker, who was in the War Games ninety

795
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.360
four for the second stud Stable yep, yep, who did the matches we

796
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:13.920
watched in our Dusty Rhoades feud episode
with Dusty and Dusted on the Clash in

797
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.920
nineteen ninety four. Yep. So
for as much as Terry Funk is flying

798
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.679
the flag of being, you know, the embodiment of an anti WWFWCW style

799
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:28.480
wrestling. He sure found ways to
go get paid to WCW and WWF during

800
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.239
the course of his ZCW tenure,
that's for sure, But he did it

801
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.519
in a way where he managed to
come back and be accepted as someone who

802
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:37.360
didn't sell out. No one ever
chanted you sold out at Terry Funk,

803
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:42.079
even though he made a lot of
the same moves that people who were on

804
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:46.360
the receiving end of those chants did. And that's that's saying something, that's

805
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:52.360
there's something there. So the angle
we just saw at the conclusion of the

806
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.119
Terry Funk Sabou match from April of
nineteen ninety four and ECW was a tag

807
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.920
match against you know, with Arn
Anderson teaming up with Terry Funk taking on

808
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:04.519
Bobby Eaton and Saboo, and it
was it was It was a really strong

809
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.920
match in term but you know,
it wasn't really about Terry Funk really,

810
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.760
it was more about the holy shit
factor of Arn and Bobby Eaton and the

811
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.280
novelty of seeing like a Saboo work
with these older guys. It was really

812
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:20.920
interesting to see him try to fit
his high flying in with their ground based

813
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:24.440
attack. But it wasn't you know, it was the exact It wasn't full

814
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.800
of violence, it wasn't full of
table crashes, it wasn't full of chairs

815
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.440
or hyjinks. It was just straightforward, you know, balls to the wall

816
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.639
wrestling that aren't innerson typified in the
ECW ring. So ECW was presenting a

817
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.039
full buffet of different things that it
was hard to say this is what ECW

818
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:44.920
is because the next match was a
totally different style and that east W continued

819
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.840
that through bringing in ring Maisterio first
and presenting, you know, just all

820
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:52.920
out high flying lucha libre without a
lot of violent spots right in the middle

821
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.039
of a show where there was fire
and tax and barbed wire and people getting

822
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.480
dismembered and all that. And then
they put out Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malenko

823
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.360
doing the best technical wrestling match of
the year in US Pro Wrestling on the

824
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.400
same card. So how are we
to deal with this? How are we

825
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.679
to categorize this? We want to, but Paul Hyman's making it very difficult.

826
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.519
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I will say, I mean,

827
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:22.079
I did you know they're they're there
became such a I will say one

828
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:27.360
thing about about e c W that
I I grew to appreciate based on the

829
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:34.440
ww's version of e c W,
was that there there there really was like

830
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:40.840
such an array of styles that they
would put on that it wasn't just hardcore.

831
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.639
It wasn't just the extreme violence.
You did have some really incredible wrestling

832
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:51.800
matches as well. Yeah, I
mean you had Ben Wah, you had

833
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.039
Jared right, you had Malenko,
you had Guerrero, you had Mysterio,

834
01:00:54.280 --> 01:01:00.840
you had Psychosis, you move into
Guerrera, right, all these guys that

835
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:05.119
WSW put out there to blow our
minds with work rate between nWo segments,

836
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.199
it's just took it from ECW.
Just watch dc W said, I'll have

837
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.199
that guy and that guy in that
they brought in Sabo in nineteen ninety five.

838
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.000
It didn't work out as we've talked
about like in our World War three

839
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.480
nineteen ninety five episode for instance,
but that's just that was sort of like

840
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.159
that was like the outsourced part of
you know, how we're going to fill

841
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:23.039
this card out. And then they
had the relationship with some of the Mexican

842
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.480
officers through Conan. So they've got
a whole lot more LOOTI doors in,

843
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:30.360
including ones that never came through ECW. But the workhorses, you know,

844
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:35.199
they out came from ECW first.
Hayman brought them to American audiences first.

845
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:42.559
In so many ways and among the
what's the word I'm looking for the anachronisms

846
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:47.360
that you wouldn't expect to see inn
ECW was. I mean, this is

847
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:51.760
just as anti ECW as you would
think. But the Funker needed some help

848
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:54.760
as he found himself embroiled in tag
team feuds, not only with the likes

849
01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.800
of Saboo and Bobby Eaton, well
not Sabu was yeah, sab Bob Eaton,

850
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:04.840
but also the public enemy. He
was in need of a partner.

851
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.199
And we know who the Funker is. Gonna call disc number twenty three,

852
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.360
boss, if you could all right
here on the laps trunk, we're going

853
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:15.639
to take you to heat Wave nineteen
ninety four. Heat Wave, of course,

854
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:20.239
became an annual summer tradition for ECW, and there in fact, their

855
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.840
second pay per view was heat Wave
in ninety seven. What uh, what's

856
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:30.719
the time code? Oneh one?
And we're going to take you to the

857
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:37.400
ECW Arena July sixteenth, nineteen ninety
four, No rope barbed wire match.

858
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:45.800
Oh my God, the public Enemy
versus Terry Funk When You're ready yep three

859
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:52.440
two one play, Oh my god? Who do you say? God?

860
01:02:54.360 --> 01:03:06.360
I said double? Here at w
he Wave ninety four, the ring ropes

861
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:14.639
have been removed from the ring in
the hard wire ship at m W style

862
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:21.760
barbed wire matchup the most dangerous match
never sanctioned here in the heath. This

863
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:29.360
is a hard course again the legendary
what the CELA score with the e W

864
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:35.320
PAG two champions Republic editor and have
the hoodies picked off before than they can

865
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:54.079
show tory function elsa w re ready
to be team he takes sparkle borns dog.

866
01:03:54.400 --> 01:04:01.719
I need you to come to tell
you what what? What is e

867
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:06.079
c W. It doesn't matter what
it is dunk. I need you to

868
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:11.400
come to e c W. Okay, what do you what do you do?

869
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.559
What do you need me to do? I need you to do a

870
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:24.320
barbed wire no rope match with me? What it's a no rope in the

871
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:29.840
ring, dunk, no ropes,
all barbed wire. It's very dangerous.

872
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:42.360
I don't is it safe? Yeah? Okay, as long as dad says

873
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:48.199
it's all right, Mom and dad
says it's all right. Very don't want

874
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:53.840
to do anything that mom and dad
don't like. Please, I'm sure they

875
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.280
told themselves in some ways. This
is the natural extension of the Dowyfunk Senior

876
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.960
Texas death Match against the Iron Might
d. This is what it was locked

877
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:06.360
down with the Boys Ranch. Frankie
Hill Murdoc. Yeah, this say exactly

878
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:14.639
from the Boys Ranch to the Bingo
Hall. I remember Dad telling stories about

879
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.719
like this where they'd put kid put
boys in the in between barbed wire and

880
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:24.880
see about what happened. I want
to haven't tried to myself. Wasn't a

881
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:29.480
probably to a parents sent the kids? Therefore, what do you think of

882
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:30.280
the public enemy? I don't think
we've talked a yet about them. Do

883
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:38.440
you have an I don't, I
don't think. I mean, I don't

884
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.480
know. I don't. Yeah,
we've seen them a couple of times,

885
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.000
and I mean, I know we've
seen them in dow C w Right,

886
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:53.519
but I don't really recall they're fair
fair enough. I just want to make

887
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:57.280
sure there wasn't something in the TNFX
deck had a log that I'm forgetting.

888
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:02.000
We've probably couldn't say something I don't
remember. I'm sure I really don't remember.

889
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.119
Well, here I probably don't like
them. Here they're tucking tail.

890
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.679
Terry and Dorry were in the ring
ready to go, and of course bunk

891
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:13.280
house gear I surrounding my barb wire. The public enemy coming halfway down the

892
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:15.280
aisleway and say fuck this, and
they go through a door that leads you

893
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.880
up to what they call that the
crow's nest. I think, yeah,

894
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.039
they like higher up perch, the
least wad that things to have with Joe

895
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:26.239
Stausers to have them at the ounce
both and you know people jump off that

896
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:31.639
back. Can they get suplexed off
that day? And I'll let you do.

897
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.880
You have a carbar match, asshole. He's calling to you, and

898
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:44.960
don't look at me. I want
to theres match referee Jim Muller will be

899
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:50.800
officiating this match. I guess he
drew the short straw. I'm not getting

900
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:58.320
anywhere near that bar boar. Oh, I get an asshole chance ninety four.

901
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:01.480
You nailed the boss about that fan
in the front one of the identified

902
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:03.920
bund to day one sort of like
in the body of the ass w and

903
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:09.519
the past of the show side,
it says Barbara the way foods get said,

904
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:13.840
Yeah, see he is, he's
he's one of those guys like he's

905
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:19.320
he he he swallowed the fucking pill
the first time. Among other philosophs,

906
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:24.119
Yes, among you know, well, come on, you know when you

907
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:28.119
swallow the ECW pill, you do
have to do it with food, otherwise

908
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:32.239
you get nauseous, although ironically it's
so you get nachos and you do swallow.

909
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:39.280
Take well. Finally, due to
the cat call Terry Funk, the

910
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:44.960
public uniss seeing now it didn't a
worthy to get into the way gingerly with

911
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.320
a ton of what a sense apprehension
about the barbar and they're really scared of

912
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:54.039
it. One cord overalls. It
looks like stud stable Tarry to me,

913
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.360
yeah for sure. Oh, I
didn't have any other clothes the bar this

914
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:02.000
or bunkhouse buck Dorry doesn't have any
clothes at home. I had to let

915
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:10.599
him borrow some home mine. Dory's
definitely dressed like he's gonna pull brush brush

916
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:18.439
it. Hey, Terry, are
we gonna are we gonna take care of

917
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:23.319
brush? After the match, said
another Funk brother. I know about there's

918
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:32.920
Dunk Terry Brush, Jimmy Jack.
Oh no, no, no, no,

919
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:36.960
no no, almost whipped into the
barbed wire? Was Dorry Funk Junior.

920
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:43.199
I'm old bad. I didn't plan
on that. Nobody told me.

921
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.600
It's so wild that it was star. Did you say there was gonna be

922
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:50.640
barbed wire? We talked about it
and I did Dunk, I said there's

923
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:59.720
barbed wire. Didn't tell me then, Okay, I'm going for a slam.

924
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:02.159
This has been a series of vice
on them so far, as far

925
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.319
as like, here we go again, going for a slam. Okay,

926
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:13.279
okay, thank you, Terry trying
on the chainsaw Charlie outfit saying how he

927
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:18.119
feels swam. I'm gonna do something
with you. Okay, I don't know

928
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:24.520
who you are. There we go? How is that, Terry? It's

929
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:29.600
Dory Funk June. You're talking to
you? As double whip Roco Rock Baseball

930
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:31.680
slides to avoid hitting the barber,
ends up going underneath it and getting caught

931
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:41.119
up in it. Really faithful Rocco
Rock looking like a fucking substitute math teacher

932
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:46.479
Dory hits the floor in the public
Enemy, putting the double towel ow ow

933
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:53.119
ow ow what can you guys,
pull your poncas a little better. Please

934
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:57.159
think about when we start blaps fun
talking about Dorry beating, drinking the skul

935
01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:00.600
of like sixty nine or wrestling and
Tony and ok between seventy and Yeah.

936
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:03.680
Now he's now, he's exactly where
he deserves to be. I mean,

937
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:08.840
I know we were going to follow
Terry Funk to these like lacky detours that

938
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:12.000
you wouldn't necessarily expect him to take
for the decades. The fact that he

939
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.319
took Dory along more than his sated
Where Terry goes, Dorry goes Dory.

940
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:23.119
I didn't look at him, his
hair, his stringy and got, god,

941
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:29.159
pretty sure it's a real war bloodsheet, Terry. What do you want

942
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:30.920
me to do? Care? I
want to find out. Oh the funker

943
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:39.880
on his neck the first one,
Oh rock O rock goes for a a

944
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.800
splash and ends up eating the wire
as the funker moves out of the way.

945
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:50.520
Took Hims and Ben Savage back there? Yeah, indeed, well there

946
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:54.279
it is. They get the visual
of Rocco rocks shirt. Oh god,

947
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:59.359
and it's all tangled up and pulled
by the wire. Ay thoughts, any

948
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:03.239
feelings? Just he's just so gruesome. It's not even bloody yet, and

949
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:08.319
it's gruesome. Just I mean,
if you heard the dory Funk was in

950
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.319
it, no rope BARBERI or tagging
that to the public Enemy and UCW,

951
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:14.199
you would have to find this take. I mean, he's just like,

952
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:17.680
what the fuck are you talking about? He's taking his boot off and he's

953
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:21.000
swimming on these these well these hoodies
as they used to call the hut on

954
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:26.520
the background, these hoodies. I
got them. I got him before I

955
01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:30.600
got him Zuckerberg and all the fucking
word he software at the Woods, took

956
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:34.800
hoodie for the frilly side. Right, he's breaking a chair? Is the

957
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:40.199
funk turning a goddamn chair? It's
a piece of ship. Oh he crowned

958
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:44.760
Johnny Grunt with it. And Johnny
Grint a very good friends with the Bunny.

959
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:47.560
My wife he lived there and liked
Johnny Grunch's death. As we talked

960
01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:50.600
about it was one of, along
with Anny Girl, one of the things

961
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:57.520
that put Cross over the edge.
Johnny Grunts during an overdose, of course,

962
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:03.960
So that's fine, Yeah, of
course, normal traditional that's what happens.

963
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:10.960
I drank anything, Jason Redge hall
en Off, I'll go to that

964
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.880
to himself. He leaned into the
barbier and it gets distilled. Right,

965
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.359
He's got it. He's gotta got
color. I gotta get you know,

966
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:24.640
I want ahead, and got colored
for the fans because I didn't know any

967
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:27.279
other way to get the fans,
because I don't think they'd like black and

968
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:32.199
white. I didn't. I don't
think they'd like a straight black and white

969
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:39.600
match. I figured we better get
colored. Johnny Grudge is the one bleating.

970
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:42.479
Look at the funk. You find
a way to put that fire so

971
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.680
near his fucking literal jugular vein.
Of course, why do you have to

972
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:54.479
do that? Well, you know, I wanted to get the fans involved

973
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:58.479
in the match in a way that
maybe didn't. They didn't think they wanted

974
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:08.960
to. Terry Terry, I'm bleeding
story. Dory gets dropped the wire fucking

975
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:17.520
throat. Look at it. Terry
Story is forever a guy who gets helped

976
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:24.560
get out of better. It's forever
guy who needs help. Well, apparently

977
01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:28.000
not helped to throw those downtown right
hands on one rock o' rock. He's

978
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:36.920
battling Terry. Somebody made me bleed. I got a boo boo, that's

979
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:41.720
dunk. I got a boobo.
We'll hope you give a water. Thanks

980
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:50.000
Terry, I got a boo boo. Can you I need someone to get

981
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:58.439
me a band aid? Please call
me back. I woke up on the

982
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:12.520
roof of b Terry. Terry is
dunk one of the cows. Ate me,

983
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.800
Terry. It's come home from the
bare Chin coming on, look it

984
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:26.520
up, call us back. Somehow
the Public amily managed to both get themselves

985
01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:31.560
completely enraptured and barbed wire without the
monks necessarily doing it to them. You

986
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:35.640
know, I want to head warm
my night shirt ahead, dressed up like

987
01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:42.319
I'm laying down for a warm winters
snap and then bank before Christmas. I

988
01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:45.199
want to head war my my sweat
pants and my and my long Johns.

989
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:58.159
Meanwhile, Johnny Grun's making a bee
line for Long john Silders looking on that

990
01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:01.319
the NCW shirts that say the search
Destroy wrestle a out, so those there's

991
01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:03.880
a little more had strangle. I
don't think they have the barb wire RECW

992
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:08.479
logo yet, but this match probably
give them the idea. Yeah, it

993
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.840
had a tag match already. These
two teams and I without barbers. This

994
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.119
is a big blow off to the
field publican ship talking the Funks big time,

995
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.640
and they were guessing the wad.
Oh my god, that's terrifying kids.

996
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.640
Johnny grunsm lid bring with a big
pile driver door funking lock a rock.

997
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:27.239
Here we go calling for it.
What do you see? Remove it

998
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.319
ready? Bos here hers Oh,
and they're hitting grums in the head like

999
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:45.159
come along, Oh this is not
okay. I mean, they're thirty forty

1000
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:49.319
chairs in a room. Terry power
drives Johnny horns aproximate to a few of

1001
01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:53.079
them. But look at these people. Look at that. It's a less

1002
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:58.880
John Stocks. These the guy who
back then were the second that I take

1003
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:01.000
a pitch sho. Look at the
ISNs. Terry Funk is giving these guys.

1004
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:11.840
You don't give fans any a green
lights about throwing chairs will start the

1005
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:16.239
match, Barber to the squeams.
That's Terry Who's gonna go in there and

1006
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:21.479
tell you to do it anyway because
it's a chance to make wrestling full.

1007
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:27.520
Un So Funk has left the world. I don't have without party are apture

1008
01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:31.479
on his early bargo firsts now,
I went ahead and went home. He's

1009
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:39.119
left the arena. We lost signal
here. Oh god, are about let's

1010
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.720
see you like a set of headlights
outside the side door of the arena and

1011
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.279
all the fans are believing to see
what Terry Funk's doing. Look at that

1012
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:50.640
really full of chairs? Don't hit
Funk in the head? Yes, and

1013
01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:57.199
what do you think of that?
I don't love it? Thank you.

1014
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:03.119
They don't have the Jervis has the
other promotions. Don't that that's the boss

1015
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:08.479
to say you left s at this
while they have their own an answer to

1016
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:15.800
the people to please stop three chairs? I know right this really truly was

1017
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:19.039
he cw living on the edge.
They new the hats, so he hated

1018
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:23.359
the son of a successful way.
They're gonna get suit of intro. The

1019
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:27.159
question is how far can you push
it? Let's just put it this way.

1020
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.319
With Terry Funk on the roster,
he'll he'll lead you to the promise,

1021
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:36.960
lads and even him and is the
living embodiment of of better to ask

1022
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:43.399
forgiveness than SHOT's exactly craft all about
three to using music you don't have license

1023
01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:48.560
to pulling in television and fucking showed
ah Dorry focus swinging a trash cans the

1024
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:54.239
damns day. I've never seen dude
get a trash can with it. I

1025
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.920
wanna, I just want to.
I'm just gonna hit a guy with it.

1026
01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:00.119
Okay, I'm gonna hit anybody who
walks. Boy funk lost the up

1027
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:04.920
in the Terry has got a double
Terry and on these chairs in the area,

1028
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:11.199
Terry is a down scaving what's going
on the chairs in the read but

1029
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:14.880
obviously a ta the I'm gonna grab
a chair and just see what happens.

1030
01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:20.399
I'm not a ship. This doesn't
look like the carry him down. He

1031
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:26.920
went down and look down. This
does look like like the back lot of

1032
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:33.279
a bad man managed party until class. Terry funks back in the april,

1033
01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.840
getting hammered by a trick, but
with a trash can and rock a rock,

1034
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:42.079
and he navigate the barbed water ropes. I heard he asked Vicky if

1035
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.319
he could use a trash can,
you know, during six and he was

1036
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:47.319
hammering her. But I just didn't
that she was not a fan of that.

1037
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.680
I think Terry has found a way
to has found a way to get

1038
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:55.079
himself wrapped up with a wire.
They'll think him screaming a rock a rock

1039
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:57.920
for some help, because I don't
think he can get out of the position

1040
01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:01.159
he is I'm me the fuck out
of here to herself. Wow hits the

1041
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.600
floor and the wire comes off,
and that's like Johnny Grun Johnny Grins's wirecutters.

1042
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:11.520
He's liberating those barbed wire screens who
have the hit brof. It makes

1043
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:15.920
you wonder why I know I am
the first smell in there in Gerial I

1044
01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:21.000
love. I'm sure, I'm sure
that it well, I don't know.

1045
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:26.800
I don't know what smelled worse that
he used to give you Arena or the

1046
01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:33.199
Sportatorium. That's composers found the West. He says, we're only wrapping South

1047
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:36.399
off like Christmas Riddle or the darm
War, but find it don't come off

1048
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:41.840
tied up with the dum chair there
too. Morocco covers three. Wow.

1049
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.039
Terry Funk in a bed of barbed
wire is beat down with a couple of

1050
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.960
chair shots in the ring and covered
by the public enemy. It is over

1051
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:54.239
and Terry is a bad position.
We are you can't move it into it'll

1052
01:19:54.279 --> 01:20:01.520
be risking. She's adcut out door's
up imature a post bell like Kara good

1053
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:05.479
on Terra I got a chair again. When you see what happens, it's

1054
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:11.840
all gonna be okay. Dory's here, shut out of public, gating me

1055
01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:16.000
with the plastic folding chairs. Oh
shit, dunk funk Nick down, We're

1056
01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.399
gonna watch this one of the folks
and door funk hits the war and the

1057
01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:25.439
boss man steps up. Get the
room for class. Oh oh oh no,

1058
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:30.880
Terry's standing there like the trash cans
and surgically test this person. Feel

1059
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.880
like a hardly tosses it. Just
go with me there, but okay there,

1060
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:43.359
it is very nice. I know
people love them. Republican Tennessee Terry.

1061
01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:46.760
What's the chairs in here for?
Terry? Trying to take the barber

1062
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.439
office? They can't. Yeah,
it looks like fucking Maxi moment before had

1063
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:55.840
They're on his chest, under his
arms, across his head and he's just

1064
01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:01.560
piling up chairs and they're throwing more, they're throwing more. Look, he's

1065
01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.800
part of what he's presiding over.
He's like a Jesus of this fucking hit

1066
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.920
on hit a guy, hit hitting
a head of guy. And he's got

1067
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:15.720
a crown of thorns on fucking running
around like a fucking leather face and in

1068
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:23.319
uh Texas chains on Manchester, emphasis
on Texas, Yeah, and Moilla chainsawn

1069
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:32.159
as a Monilla mom house. Oh
is that how we answered the phone at

1070
01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:36.600
the at the ranch Amorilla mom house. That's a mom house. Huh.

1071
01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:44.319
So the folks are the standing picking
up chairs from the pilots and whipping them

1072
01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.279
down to the carcases of the publicity. That's what That's what we're going on.

1073
01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:56.359
This is what the fuck is this
scrap yard of the this is if

1074
01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:00.640
Harry can't get under that's how ripped
up his tights are his tights are torn

1075
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.439
to pieces, or wish her to
help to take them along enough to notice

1076
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:08.760
Terry's almost dead, Terried? You
know you got barbed wire all over your

1077
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:12.119
body? Christ you don't got that
into this predictment for about ten minutes.

1078
01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:14.880
Where have you been, Terry?
I don't know what a predicament is,

1079
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:16.840
so I can't help you with that
one. That's where you lost me,

1080
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:25.119
Terry. Uh carry Terry Fuco stands
up to Fox hit the wire in fuck

1081
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:28.479
it? Terry? Can we go
home? Now? I get that's the

1082
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:30.520
problem, and that's the problem.
Dounk, we already went home. Yeah,

1083
01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:33.880
he's a t c w Oh,
then I might just take that take

1084
01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:39.920
a look right here in front of
the fans, is that. Okay Funk

1085
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:45.319
is cutting the wisest the dog.
The man is carry out Terry Rock,

1086
01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:56.079
turn round away, enraptured and wire
the chair. Bitch. This is when

1087
01:22:56.159 --> 01:23:00.760
something is another resting promotion that the
play. Yeah that he you know what,

1088
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:03.439
He's not wrong. I don't know
it's a good thing or not,

1089
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:08.600
but he's not wrong. It good
Funk wander the landscape at the ghost of

1090
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:15.119
Christmas past. We're a disaster?
Is he doing to himself? To what

1091
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:18.840
end? To what end? Terry
Funk? Did the moon dogs ever come

1092
01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:24.479
to? Did not have? I'm
surprised about that. They were se fit

1093
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:27.760
right in here. It's a DCW
hat wear in front row fans will be

1094
01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:30.039
the listed to help with the bolt
cutters to trouble free the Funker from his

1095
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.600
Terry I've never done. I've never
used before. Know what's going on.

1096
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:41.239
I haven't worked with barbed wire before. Yeah, that's the problem. Barbaar

1097
01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:45.960
doesn't work, Terry. You know
you gotta tell the barbed wire to sell

1098
01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:50.520
though. That's fass. Okay,
Terry, where am I so? For

1099
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:54.399
better or worse? What we're seeing
here is Terry Funk doing what it takes

1100
01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:00.079
to what a special spot in the
hearts of the house and what's becoming he

1101
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:08.319
said, your friend base listen to
it. I prefer Japan today. After

1102
01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:14.479
this Joey co Yeah, Tony Grune
is on his feet, taken off for

1103
01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:16.560
Charlotte Noweman's business. After they get
the ship on you. But the Funks

1104
01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:23.079
are done. They're walking off to
hopefully free Terry Funk from his Uh can

1105
01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:26.840
you imagine if you never get free
of that? And he was like every

1106
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:51.840
single time from now listen en,
he said that E C doub boss,

1107
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:56.039
it started to happen. I mean, see here, this is part of

1108
01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:59.199
the problem with it all is that, you know, a lot of these

1109
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:04.720
guys get this rip patents were being
amazing wrestlers for doing just violence and it's

1110
01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:09.560
not actually that good. No now, I mean that was just the damnedest

1111
01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:12.720
thing you ever saw at the time, but it's not particularly good. And

1112
01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:16.239
I think that's that's ECW in those
days. You know, it's like the

1113
01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:19.079
people who can it's to me,
it's it's no different than the people who

1114
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:25.239
fucking talk about you know, the
hell in a Cell ninety eight as being

1115
01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:31.199
this incredible match, which it's not. And it's kind of what the point

1116
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:35.079
you're making before ECW kind of in
an odd way doesn't hold up because of

1117
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:43.199
the fact that you lose the context
of this being something that no one had

1118
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:46.159
ever seen before. Yeah, and
all the work it does for you.

1119
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:49.439
I mean not to say that there
wasn't. I mean people who had tape

1120
01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:53.960
traded, saw FMW, no wrote
barber matches. You heard Joey Styles even

1121
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:57.399
make reference to this as being an
FMW style match. They existed, they

1122
01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.680
were just hard to find and they
certainly weren't mainstream. So I'm sure for

1123
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:02.399
most people who saw this tag match
with the Funks in the Public Enemy was

1124
01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:06.279
the first time they saw ropes replaced
by barbed war. Sure, and that

1125
01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:10.039
does like ninety percent of the work. But now when you watch it after

1126
01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:13.920
having seen a million barboer matches,
it's like, what, what's the big

1127
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:15.800
deal here? Well, not only
that, it's not even that as much

1128
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:21.199
as it's it's you know, and
I know these kinds of matches still happen,

1129
01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:33.439
but it's just not like it's disturbing. It's disturbing that this sort of

1130
01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:42.680
violence, which is not safe.
Okay, it's not like a stunt being

1131
01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:49.039
done in a movie or a TV
show like this is they're they're the only

1132
01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:55.199
thing they're not doing here is they're
not actually you know, is that the

1133
01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:58.319
only thing that that that's kind of
fake here is they know who's gonna win.

1134
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:01.119
Yeah, everything's right there with him. It's not just these we behind

1135
01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:03.920
the years kids trying to make an
impression. No, No, he's the

1136
01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:13.399
one covered in barbed wire, right. And I just again, and it's

1137
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:19.640
a it's a it's a it's really
a thing of the moment. Yes,

1138
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:30.319
it's a thing that they They were
very smart in, you know Hayman in

1139
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:43.560
that he knew that the wrestling fan
was sick of the cookie cutter YEP matches

1140
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:48.239
exactly what wrestling fan it's like what
we do, Like we know like why

1141
01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:51.720
people feel it used to be better, and so we can like answer the

1142
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:58.439
questions before people know exactly how to
ask them. And Paul Hayman knew exactly

1143
01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:01.800
what it was about the Big two
presentation of the nineties that dissatisfied people,

1144
01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:05.520
and he gave voice to that and
the promos that these wrestlers cut, the

1145
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.640
matches, they did, the style
they presented, and he crystallized it for

1146
01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:12.800
him without them having a real They
knew it felt cheesy, they knew it

1147
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:17.039
just didn't feel like it didn't have
the grit that they loved about pro wrestling

1148
01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:20.960
before it became you know, kind
of McDonald ezed and corporatized in the nineties,

1149
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:28.239
and he knew he knew that if
he presented this certain thing and had

1150
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:30.760
wrestlers, you know, kind of
have the liberty to say these types of

1151
01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.800
things that instantaneously it would make the
wrestling fan go, Yeah, that's exactly

1152
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:39.960
the kind of unpredictability and crazy shit. I mean, it's like, you

1153
01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:42.960
know, it's like Terry in Memphis
when we went back to the Lawlor feud.

1154
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:45.319
Yeah, yeah, it's it's updating
that and putting it forward. And

1155
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:48.760
so it's no small coincidence that Terry
Funk's among them. So we talked about

1156
01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.119
it. We heard there the ECW
chant. I think it's the first time

1157
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:55.239
we've heard an ECW chant from a
crowd in the matches we've watched this far

1158
01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:58.960
on the ECW leg of the Lapstunk
Journey. And so that's same as far

1159
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:02.279
as this group of fans coalescing around
what it means. Maybe they maybe they

1160
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:04.600
chanted it in the three Way Dance. I don't think they did, but

1161
01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:08.680
they did. No, that was
the most prominent one, at least so

1162
01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:10.960
far, that we just heard there. And so now we turned to the

1163
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.720
pages of Terry Funks book. I've
shared with you Boss the excerpt that which

1164
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:16.159
you could share with the Solar System
from the Funker talking about the nature of

1165
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:23.840
this fan base that he suddenly found
himself existing to satisfy. The ECW fans

1166
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:28.359
were different from any other group of
fans I've ever encountered. They were loyal

1167
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:32.199
and came every week. But these
people were radicals. It was like there

1168
01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:35.640
were one or it wasn't like there
were one or two. I'm talking about

1169
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:41.560
an arena full of radicals. I
just remember Ben wah, Malinko, Saturn,

1170
01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:44.159
and Guerrero. Yeah, that was
pretty much four guys, right,

1171
01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:48.239
They're all there and they and they
thrived on being known as a radical group.

1172
01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:53.000
They did, actually they did for
a while. They thrived on being

1173
01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:57.640
very knowledgeable fans too. But they
also kind of liked the title of those

1174
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:01.840
ECW fools. They created a few
new chants, some of which were quite

1175
01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:05.880
controversial. A lot of the guys
didn't like it. When the ECW crowds

1176
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:12.000
would chant you fucked up, you
fucked up at them. Well, the

1177
01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:17.159
thing is they were right, Terry. Whenever a guy got that chant,

1178
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:23.640
it was because he fucked up,
and we all knew you'd better not fuck

1179
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.680
up in front of those people because
they'll let you know about it. But

1180
01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.840
when you had a good one,
they loved it and they let you know

1181
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.840
that. They appreciated him more than
any other fans in the world, although

1182
01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:39.319
some of the Japanese crowds were at
about the same level. They really loved

1183
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:43.560
that product, and believe me,
they really missed that product. I was

1184
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.399
sure don't remember wrestling anywhere else for
the fans chant of the promotion's name.

1185
01:30:51.119 --> 01:31:00.520
They're all something's missing here. Yeah, he talked about This is him continuing

1186
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:02.399
on. It's there's a partial sentence
there. If you could just start with

1187
01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:05.800
I'd able to become attached to them. He's talking about the THECW fans,

1188
01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:10.319
especially the mainstay fans, the ones
that were always at the shows. I'd

1189
01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:14.199
really become attached to them and still
keep in touch with some like John Owen.

1190
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.720
John was a paraplegic with a lot
of health problems, and wrestling was

1191
01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:25.119
a great release for him, So
being a paraplegic, it was it made

1192
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:29.720
him. It was a release to
watch others potentially become paraplegic. Yeah,

1193
01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:34.159
okay, that's pro wrestling right there. Yeah, he loved and the other

1194
01:31:34.279 --> 01:31:40.119
fans loved him. Another fan,
Old Mo, took me everywhere, including

1195
01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:44.359
to the hospital. Her car was
no limo, but the price was right.

1196
01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:49.359
Say that's right. The ECW wrestlers
would give one hundred percent every night.

1197
01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:54.000
They wanted that thing to work so
badly. There was a sense that

1198
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:58.199
we were underdogs fighting the giants.
At least we thought we were, and

1199
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:02.000
it really helps breed unity when you
have a common phone. It gave all

1200
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:05.920
the guys a bond, and we
were all really tied together. There.

1201
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:12.680
It is Funk on the emerging ECW
fanbase and how they worked symbiotically with the

1202
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:17.239
wrestlers to make ECW what it was. Now for all of that romantic and

1203
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:23.239
poetic waxing and nostalgic about how great
the ECW fans were and how Terry Funk

1204
01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:27.600
existed in this particular point in time
to satisfy them and to cater to them

1205
01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:30.479
and to reciprocate their passion for him
and what he did. He also goes

1206
01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:35.279
back to WCW right Todd Gordon's book, and this is how it happened,

1207
01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:38.800
And this is sort of what we
see in play when we see a Bobby

1208
01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:44.319
Nannarnederson who had not really truly disassociated
themselves from WCW, but we're still showing

1209
01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:47.239
up in this Philly Indy. What's
going on here with television? And what

1210
01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:51.159
turns out was happening and we found
this out years later, was there is

1211
01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:59.520
basically a back channel agreement to have
WCW guys come through and works in ECW

1212
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.840
shows and for what well, we'll
let Todd Gordon tell in his recently released

1213
01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:06.359
book, This is some of I
think the sharpest color we've gotten around why

1214
01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:11.239
some of these WW contracted talents would
have been welcomed in ECW at the time,

1215
01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:15.520
and further why a one Terry Funk
would have been welcomed back to WCW

1216
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:21.640
without it burning any kind of particular
bridge at the fledgling ECW ord began getting

1217
01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:25.720
back to us. Todd writes that
the wrestlers and the two major federations were

1218
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:29.800
watching us regularly. I had heard
that first from my old friend Kevin Sullivan.

1219
01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:32.680
When I booked arn Anderson and Bobby
Eaton from WCW. Kevin was booking

1220
01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:40.159
there in WW and put the loaner
deal together so I could have Arne and

1221
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:44.079
Bobby make an explosive appearance at the
ECW arena that generated the biggest pop I

1222
01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:47.279
ever heard from our crowd. So
it's Kevin Sullivan. He's the one.

1223
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:51.000
Don't forget. He was among those
wayward souls looking for a place in the

1224
01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:55.960
industry post the territorial collapse, post
the collapse of Dusty's attempt to start Florida

1225
01:33:56.000 --> 01:34:00.479
up again, post you know,
being on the booking committee and a heard

1226
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:04.239
and washing out from that. He
was in those earliest DCW shows, Kevin

1227
01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:10.960
Sullivan was. That's how Nancy a
woman ended up in ec W. Yeah,

1228
01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:15.840
and she sort of stayed behind and
continued working in ECW, ended along

1229
01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:18.920
Shane Douglas while Kevin Sullivan went to
book at w c W, which was

1230
01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:25.199
always a curious thing while they were
still together, and Sullivan always had his

1231
01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:29.039
eye on ECW. Todd Gordon earlier
in his book talked about how Kevin Sullivan

1232
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:32.399
showed a not so thinly veiled interest
in who Todd Gordon was going to make

1233
01:34:32.439 --> 01:34:40.279
ECW booker after Eddie Gilbert was basically
was fired from the job. And I

1234
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:44.680
don't know he Kevin Sullivan kind of
got what was going on at ECW earlier

1235
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.439
than most and so when he got
power in the book over at WCW with

1236
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:53.359
Dusty back in charge, you know, under a under Urch Bischoff, what

1237
01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:57.279
do you know, Suddenly there's a
relationship here. He c W had a

1238
01:34:57.319 --> 01:35:00.520
relation not just with WWF, but
they had a clear relationship in nineteen ninety

1239
01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:03.239
four with ECW. And it was
such a clear relationship Boss that it would

1240
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:10.760
lead to brutal rumors later that all
Todd Gordon really was toward the end was

1241
01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:19.119
a mole for w stems locker room
to try to communicate that there is interest

1242
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:24.239
from WCW in you, and here's
the number, and why don't you give

1243
01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:28.960
them a call? And it's a
fascinating story. It doesn't really belong here

1244
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:30.840
in the lapsed funk. It has
so many twists and turns. Thanks to

1245
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:33.920
Todd Gordon's recently released book, a
lot of nuance has been put on the

1246
01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:36.680
story that I think has been missing
over the year. It's not necessarily missing

1247
01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:43.840
but not laid down and written word
and it's just it's just wonderful because it's

1248
01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:47.399
like Hayman is is telling Todd Gordon
that will tell the locker room you're the

1249
01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:49.800
mole, or will tell the locker
room there is a mole, and it'll

1250
01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:53.319
make you the greatest heal ever when
you're revealed as a hole. It's a

1251
01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:57.479
storyline. And then Todd Gordon turns
around and realizes, according to him at

1252
01:35:57.520 --> 01:36:00.399
least, that Paul Hayman is actually
telling the boys there is an actual mole

1253
01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:03.239
in the ECW locker room looking to
take us down and poach all our top

1254
01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:08.319
talent. Amazing. Well, Terry, I want to tell you I did

1255
01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:13.079
see a mole. I saw a
mole crawling around the floor right there on

1256
01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:18.520
Gillian Hall's face. I think,
Terry, it's dunk okay. Dory's here,

1257
01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:25.479
it's gonna be okay. I think
I saw a mole at home.

1258
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.760
I'm not worried about moles at home, Dory. I'm not worried about moles.

1259
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:36.920
And Amilla, Well, I just
you're talking about a mole. I'm

1260
01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:43.439
not an Amarilla. I found a
mole. It was it was in the

1261
01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:46.680
garage and I just wanted to say, I think I found it, the

1262
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:51.840
one everyone's talking about over there in
Philly. I found the male indeed,

1263
01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:56.319
Detective Dunk on the case. Do
you know why I've said a couple of

1264
01:36:56.399 --> 01:36:58.399
times. I don't know if I've
said this yere on the show. I

1265
01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:00.880
don't think. So what, Dorry's
here, It's gonna be okay. Todd

1266
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:04.199
Gordon tells a story about how they
were, you know, looking to expand

1267
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:06.960
down into Florida, where, of
course Dory Funk has the Funk and Conservatory

1268
01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:12.319
and Okala and it's kind of involved
in promoting local shows in the area that

1269
01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:15.880
ECW first started to try to set
up shopping to expand down to Florida,

1270
01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:19.119
and there was like there's like a
walk through for some reason. Paul Hayman

1271
01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:23.800
and Todd Gordon were in the arena
early and it was empty, and suddenly

1272
01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:28.039
Marty Funk, Dorriy Funk Junior's wife
shows up and they're wandering around, and

1273
01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:30.680
I think there is a reason to
connect with Dori Funk. It wasn't of

1274
01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:36.000
critical importance, time was not necessarily
of the essence, but the way Todd

1275
01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:39.880
Gordon tells the story, Marty Funk
suddenly shows up a little while later,

1276
01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:45.119
almost in a breathless state of existence, starts saying, Everything's okay, Dorry's

1277
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:50.159
here. Everything's gonna be okay.
Dorry's here. And that was like shorthand

1278
01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:54.359
between Gordon and Hayman when they were
actually talking in friends for like just you

1279
01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:57.319
know the absurdity of what they were
involved in. Dori's here, It's gonna

1280
01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:00.800
be okay because he just showed up
and didn't say It's like, why is

1281
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:03.159
Dory even here? Like he's no
one asked him to be here, So

1282
01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:08.920
why is anyone acting like his his
presence is something we've all been waiting to

1283
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:15.279
have confirmed. What I mean,
I'm I just I just came exactly well

1284
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:20.079
enough of what happened back in the
hotel Dory. Oh, so this is

1285
01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:25.920
Kevin Sullivan talking to Todd Gordon at
the time of this loaner deal being reached

1286
01:38:25.960 --> 01:38:30.119
in this sort of I don't know
on holy alliance between WCW and ECW ninety

1287
01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:31.840
four. They're all watching you in
the locker room. Kevin said, you

1288
01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:35.239
don't know what you got there the
night Arn did his run in for me,

1289
01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:38.880
Todd Gordon Wright, So I heard
the same advice again. After his

1290
01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:41.000
match, Arn asked if he could
talk with me, and we headed over

1291
01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:44.399
to a corner where he pulled up
two chairs so dramatic. Have a seat.

1292
01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:45.800
He instructed, you got something here. I don't know how you did

1293
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.359
it, the audience, participation,
the anticipation, their chance, but you're

1294
01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:54.159
onto something here. Don't fuck it
up. I never forgot that Arn Anderson

1295
01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:57.760
was serious about the business of wrestling
as and was a heavy WCW player.

1296
01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:00.840
He's stooge. No, no,
I'm sorry, Oh, I'm sorry.

1297
01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:04.199
That's two paragraphs put together. Wow, I kept the heed from another sentence

1298
01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:10.960
and then jumped to stooge. Okay, this is uh the Freud survivor.

1299
01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:15.720
Yeah, this is actually Todd talking
about how also in Stanford, the ECW

1300
01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:18.960
was on their radar because you know, famously Vince McMahon would have signed Howard

1301
01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:21.359
Finkel to track what was in the
newsletters, what was being said on the

1302
01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:24.680
hotlines, what was being said on
the internet when that became a thing,

1303
01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:29.039
and report back to him and like
a dossier. And so Todd Gordon talks

1304
01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:31.640
about that recive the Fink here said
he'd watch ECW and report back to him.

1305
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:34.399
Every week. Imagine being given that
job. I'm too busy and important

1306
01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:36.880
to even fast forward through this one
hour tape, but you seem like you

1307
01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:40.039
have a lot of time to jack
off, So watch this for me,

1308
01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:43.960
fink. I'm sure Frince wouldn't have
liked what he was seeing as we were

1309
01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:47.960
saying fuck WW and their steroids on
TV. The truth was, Vince McMahon

1310
01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:51.319
could have put me out of business
rather handily if he'd wanted to. If

1311
01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:54.760
he'd run a card across the street
from each of our shows, that would

1312
01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:57.800
have been it, particularly when their
emulation of our product started to Yeah,

1313
01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:00.439
if you run a show across the
street from the ecw Ren, it would

1314
01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:02.279
literally be in a heroin den.
So I don't know, I don't know

1315
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:06.199
actually know if that was always an
option, but I get his point started

1316
01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:11.720
to take off and they'd abandoned wrestling
clowns, pig farmers and dentists. I

1317
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.319
know we had a segment of diehard
fans that would be lined up to get

1318
01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:17.199
into our show while mooning theirs,
but the large majority of fans would want

1319
01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:20.359
to see Diesel, Shawn Michaels and
the Undertaker in person. Fortunately, Vince

1320
01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:24.600
thought we were worth more to him
alive than dead, for reasons I didn't

1321
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:33.079
fully know yet. So Paul's so
Todd's the mole w Terry Taylor and poaching

1322
01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:35.560
talent, I don't. I don't
do that. I don't poach talent,

1323
01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:40.000
right. I believe in healthy competition. I don't bankroll competitors. I don't

1324
01:40:40.039 --> 01:40:43.800
help I don't drop up any It's
free enterprise. And if you can succeed

1325
01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:46.600
on your own merits and your own
bootstraps and your own finances, and all

1326
01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:50.000
the power to you. But I'm
not here to to issue any charity or

1327
01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:55.279
create an unfair market place. I'm
just here to I'm just here to watch

1328
01:40:56.159 --> 01:41:00.479
and be entertained. That's correct,
be entertained by the demise of people that

1329
01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:04.159
I ostomize I said in motion.
I mean, the demise happens. It's

1330
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:09.359
it's you know, it's not because
of me. It's just a thing that

1331
01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:12.439
was meant to be. No one
ever ran a show beside hours to put

1332
01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:14.920
us out of business. We did
have an interesting offer to do that to

1333
01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.840
someone else. I made a call
the WCW headquarters. Todd Gordon writes to

1334
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:20.920
book some talent for our upcoming shows. Why is he calling w W headquarters

1335
01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:26.239
to book talent? It's so weird, and WW president Eric Bischoff asked to

1336
01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:28.720
speak with me. He got on
the phone and in the first and only

1337
01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:30.439
time I spoke with him, he
said, tell you what, Pal,

1338
01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:32.439
you ever want to run a show
in the same town Cornett's running, I'll

1339
01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:36.399
give you my whole roster. Wow. Dropped it like I already knew all

1340
01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:41.880
the backstage drama that seemed to swirl
around a business polluted populated rather with paranoid

1341
01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:45.960
predators, populated with paranoid predators.
Write that one down. I'm sure it's

1342
01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:54.479
wrong and an unfair characterization, but
I didn't know yet the full scope of

1343
01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:57.680
what Paul was preparing to tell the
locker room. This is as we wind

1344
01:41:57.720 --> 01:42:00.720
further down to that mole rumor.
If it was going to keep the talent

1345
01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.079
working and not fighting with each other, I would deal with their knowing I

1346
01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:08.359
had tried to get Sabou, Sandman
and Phonsie a job at w CW.

1347
01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:14.039
So that's what Todd Gordon's doing.
He is his contact was very clearly Terry

1348
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:16.399
Taylor and you know, to some
to Greek Kevin Sullivan at WSW and he's

1349
01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:19.000
trying to get them jobs. He
got Sabu in a WSW for a cup

1350
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:23.199
of coffee before that blew up.
He and it's not you know, it's

1351
01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:26.560
not very hard for Paul Hayman to
turn around and get in the ear of

1352
01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:30.680
people who are not going to WCW
and want ECW to work and tell them

1353
01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:34.960
that what this guy's actually doing right, yes, fucking us, None of

1354
01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:39.159
them seem to mind. Todd Gordon
writes, when I'd called for public enemy

1355
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:42.520
back in ninety five to go to
WW, Paul went into his worker voice.

1356
01:42:42.560 --> 01:42:45.119
If you don't tell anyone about this, that is to say, if

1357
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.479
you don't pull back the curtain and
reveal that we're working together to call you

1358
01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:53.239
a mole, after a while,
you can come back as the greatest heel

1359
01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:56.119
ever in the pro wrestling business.
What's better than a heel owner? This,

1360
01:42:56.239 --> 01:43:00.520
of course is Prevince, Oh my
god, but yeah, pre Eric

1361
01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:03.239
too, being heal and nitro.
He was very expansive on the idea,

1362
01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:05.439
but I told him I knew he
was full of shit. In truth,

1363
01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:09.279
it was a really good idea.
I never said he wasn't brilliant. I

1364
01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:11.520
told Paul to go tell them whatever
he wanted, and he did. He

1365
01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:14.439
went off and apparently called some of
the New York crew to his house.

1366
01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:16.600
That is to say, wrestlers that
came from the New York Indies as opposed

1367
01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:20.239
to the Philly Indies where Todd had
his most you know, loyal soldiers,

1368
01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:25.840
and Hayman's team was more like the
Tazzes and the Tommy Dreamers and the people

1369
01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:29.079
from New York. And before I
knew it, the Sheet started printing Todd

1370
01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:30.920
writes. And that was another thing
that jumped off the page to me in

1371
01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:36.840
his book is how obsessively the American
indie promoters would read and respond to the

1372
01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:41.239
sheets. Of course, oh my
god. Of course. You know,

1373
01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:45.199
Todd Gordon talks about being written up
in The Observer as like, you know,

1374
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:48.600
they made it, And I guess
I didn't. I guess what I'm

1375
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:53.399
trying to say is I didn't realize
the cachet that carried in the nineties when

1376
01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:56.119
I was just a kid, you
know, watching WWF andww of course,

1377
01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.680
and as I've referenced, without particularly
great access to ECW, I hadn't realized

1378
01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:04.119
that that's basically the race. It's
not to get a national TV slot.

1379
01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:08.199
That was a pipe dream. It
was to be the promotion that was written

1380
01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:11.560
about in the Torch and the Observer
this week, right yep. And when

1381
01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:13.720
you think about it that way,
it starts to make a little more sense

1382
01:44:13.760 --> 01:44:17.840
why these shows would be so choc
a block with wild and crazy shit.

1383
01:44:18.479 --> 01:44:23.680
You know, it was in an
effort to be relevant that moment, as

1384
01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:28.720
opposed to, you know, deliver
a wrestling show that checked all the boxes

1385
01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:30.920
that you know, a wrestling fan
would want. Of course, they wanted

1386
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:35.159
to satisfy their audience, but above
and beyond that, it worked for home

1387
01:44:35.239 --> 01:44:40.399
video too, and eventually the ratings
for the television show when weeks later it

1388
01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:43.880
would air in clipped fashion like we've
seen in a couple of matches here to

1389
01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:45.720
create a buzz right out of the
building. The week after the sheets come

1390
01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:49.640
out, reports are that Terry Funk
you know, and Dory Funk were covered

1391
01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:53.520
in blood and barbed wire against the
public end. What the fuck? Right?

1392
01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:56.479
Can you imagine reading that without being
able to see it immediately, and

1393
01:44:57.159 --> 01:45:03.239
how the imagination would run away with
you? You can take off. I

1394
01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:08.520
mean, I I write, I
mean, that's that's that's all about.

1395
01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:16.119
That's that's that's half of what's that's
a good portion of what's missing. Yes,

1396
01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:23.960
today absolutely is the fact that we
get so much access to so much

1397
01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:28.760
stuff that we don't we no longer, you know. I mean it's the

1398
01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:34.039
same thing with movies in that what
you don't see is what's more impactful.

1399
01:45:34.239 --> 01:45:39.239
You have our friend Scott Michael Ferry
there sitting in his first grade classroom,

1400
01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:43.439
melting at the thought that there are
legions of kids that will get to see

1401
01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:45.520
what Ghostbusters two is and he's going
to miss the window and have to wait

1402
01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:48.520
up for a year before you can
see it in a yeah. Yeah,

1403
01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:55.920
that's what makes meaning in media consumption
is that anticipation, that scarcity value.

1404
01:45:56.600 --> 01:45:59.399
And it's gone, it's dead.
It's been taken out back and shot in

1405
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:03.880
the head because teaming Boo and all
the missteps made during COVID by people that

1406
01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:08.880
sit on the biggest ip in terms
of offering things to stream instead of waiting

1407
01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:13.279
for theaters to reopen because they were
terrified they'd never make a profit again.

1408
01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:16.000
Of course, and they fucked it
up. And now there is just no

1409
01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:19.119
way a kid is not going to
be able to see exactly what he wants

1410
01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:21.600
to see. The second he wants
to see it, bootleg, YouTube,

1411
01:46:21.640 --> 01:46:26.119
TikTok, whatever you want. In
a second, there's it's never coming back

1412
01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:30.039
that anticipation, and to act like
that's just not a big loss is to

1413
01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:32.640
be pretty fucking stupid in my opinion. I mean, it's it's for me.

1414
01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:41.479
It's about a big a big part
of the reason why I you know,

1415
01:46:41.600 --> 01:46:44.199
I've never I've never actually and I've
talked about it, you know,

1416
01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:47.479
since the beginning, you know,
talk about TLFX. I've been talking about

1417
01:46:47.479 --> 01:46:55.760
this for ten years, about seeing
those pictures of the Moondogs and Lawler and

1418
01:46:55.960 --> 01:47:00.199
Jarrett. Absolutely that's the in PWY
North Star example, I've never seen the

1419
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:03.199
match. I almost don't want to
see one of the matches because I know

1420
01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:11.960
that it will not nearly be as
as crazy as those pictures made me think

1421
01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:15.840
it was. Yes, And you
know, I always wondered why Folly and

1422
01:47:15.920 --> 01:47:18.680
Terry went to Japan and blew themselves
up in the death matches, And it

1423
01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:23.720
finally clicked with me when Terry was
saying, it's still a magazine driven business

1424
01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:27.520
and where a small company were not
new or new or all Japan, how

1425
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:31.520
were gonna get to cover the magazines. Yep, how could a wrestling magazine

1426
01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:35.680
resist the potential to move copies If
we can put a fucking exploding ring with

1427
01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:40.399
Terry Funken Cactus Jack on the cover, it was at least your best shot

1428
01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:45.720
at winning the week in terms of
relevance. And further, it's not like

1429
01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:48.880
they were just doing things in the
arena, booking angles, shooting angles,

1430
01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:54.399
delivering angles and matches and hoping that
ended up in the sheets. They were

1431
01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:58.680
in contact with the Wade Kellers and
the Dave Meltzers and the others. You

1432
01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:02.159
know, they were trying to frame
things in a way that would be sort

1433
01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:06.720
of you know, beneficial to their
agenda in the form of news tips.

1434
01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:10.239
You know. It's not like they
were just calling and I don't know,

1435
01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:14.359
I'm hardly on the phone, but
you know, yeah, it was also

1436
01:48:14.439 --> 01:48:16.359
a battle of like reading it and
trying to decode who else was he talking

1437
01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:23.560
to, you know, and who
amongst us would it benefit if that rumor

1438
01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:27.640
were to get into print, And
what does that say about how they're trying

1439
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:31.479
to you know, position themselves at
cross purposes with me and Paul Hayman,

1440
01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:34.000
particularly for you Todd Gordon's book,
It comes through so loud and clear.

1441
01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:38.159
And I'm sure Todd was a political
creature like this as well, just like

1442
01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:42.560
the ultimate game game master, like
he sits down and games out every possible

1443
01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:45.600
scenario, who wins, who loses? You know, if what I suspect

1444
01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:49.720
is true is true, and he
just he has an insatia. According to

1445
01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:56.720
what Gordon kind of portrayed, he
has an insatiable appetite, a limitless stamina

1446
01:48:57.079 --> 01:49:01.319
for thinking paranoid thoughts like that,
or at least in the vein of preparing

1447
01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:06.279
himself to see the assassin come around
the corner, you know. And his

1448
01:49:06.399 --> 01:49:10.520
position in the industry now and how
he's trusted by the top players and the

1449
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:14.520
biggest dogs in the industry to advise
them on career choices and to be their

1450
01:49:14.600 --> 01:49:18.479
mouthpiece when they're on vacation on television
speaks to the fact that he's absolutely the

1451
01:49:18.520 --> 01:49:23.960
best at that. It wasn't course
to mad scientist overthinking shit. He he

1452
01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:29.319
knew. He knew how pro wrestling
functioned in the back, just as well

1453
01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:32.600
as he knew how to get results, you know, by producing things out

1454
01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:38.760
in front. And this has started
to happen in a CW Joey styles Todd

1455
01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:41.880
Gordon writes in his book, did
a story on the Weekly nine hundred hotline

1456
01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:45.439
saying someone in the company is trying
to bring ECW down. The story was

1457
01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.399
everywhere, and Paul used it to
create an US versus them solidarity in the

1458
01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:50.560
locker room. He told them a
mole inside the company was planning on setting

1459
01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:56.039
all the talent to WCW for an
invasion angle that would leave ECW empty and

1460
01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:59.880
bankrupt. Paul gallantly told the crew
that this mole was looking to sink any

1461
01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:02.279
one who wasn't lucky enough to be
stolen away and fuck all our fans over.

1462
01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:09.359
He used it to galvanize the locker
room and it worked. So Paul

1463
01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:15.640
leveraged this this rebel spirit that Terry
Funk is helping to create, to you

1464
01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:18.399
know, erect a straw man or
maybe maybe still the truth maybe Todd Gordon,

1465
01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:20.319
I mean it was in the Observer
and stuff at the time. It

1466
01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:25.239
was in the sheets that there was
an invasion angle planned. That's where a

1467
01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:29.159
lot of the the fire to the
smoke came. That there was an idea

1468
01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:31.079
that there would be a total exodus
of the top ECW guys and they'd all

1469
01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:34.159
show up on Nitro. You can
see you can easily see WW thinking like,

1470
01:50:34.199 --> 01:50:39.239
what's our next nWo here, we're
kind of fucked right anymore. The

1471
01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:44.800
one angle right, so they need
another one, another installment of that same

1472
01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:48.640
angle. And so in all of
this gamesmanship that was the nineteen nineties,

1473
01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:54.159
you know, wrestling politics, Paul
Hayman makes a misstep that really is one

1474
01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:58.039
of the few things Terry Funk has
anything negative to say about anybody in terms

1475
01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:00.680
of like reiterating, and he for
all the praise he heaps on Paul Hayman

1476
01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:03.840
for his vision and how he pulled
off ECW and created what it was,

1477
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:09.479
he definitely held it against him that
Paul Haman prevented Saboo from getting a Big

1478
01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:14.680
Two contract because Sabo, of course, was one of the guys that the

1479
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:17.239
Big Two were seeking to poach,
and Saboo seemed to be the first person

1480
01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:20.720
that an ECW boss stepped forward and
said, no, you're actually contracted to

1481
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:23.800
us. You can't go anywhere,
and if you think you can, I'll

1482
01:51:23.800 --> 01:51:26.680
see in court. And that really
pissed off Terry Funk, because, as

1483
01:51:26.680 --> 01:51:29.079
we've talked about, he had a
very soft spot in his heart for Saboo.

1484
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:30.720
He wanted to see Saboo succeed.
He lent a lot of his body

1485
01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:35.119
and reputation to trying to give Saboo
some spotlight and to get the kid paid

1486
01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:40.199
would have warmed Terry's heart. That's
one of the biggest parts of these Funk

1487
01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:44.039
stories we're finding as we go through
the years is that the people he touched

1488
01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:46.279
along the way and put on a
path to have a, you know,

1489
01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:50.640
a nest egg of earnings from pro
wrestling at critical points, whether they thinking

1490
01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:55.640
about quitting, or where their confidence
is down, or for whatever reason that

1491
01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:59.600
their talent is too raw for anybody
to see besides someone with you know,

1492
01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:01.520
the eye for talent. That Terry
Funk had an almost unique guye for talent.

1493
01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:06.720
You could say, here's another example
he wrote in his book to Terry,

1494
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:11.600
Kevin knew that Saboo Kevin Sullivan was
a real piece of talent and got

1495
01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:14.800
him a deal worth two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars a year, which is

1496
01:52:14.840 --> 01:52:17.199
pretty damn good money, even with
the inflated salaries some of those other guys

1497
01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:20.359
were making. Paul Hayman put a
stop to it, citing a contract he

1498
01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:24.119
had with the Saboo, even though
Paul was barely upholding his end of the

1499
01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:27.399
deal and owed Saboo money at the
time. To this day, I still

1500
01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:29.840
consider Paul a friend, but this
was one of the few times I was

1501
01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:32.119
really upset with him. I just
couldn't stomach the idea that Paul would keep

1502
01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:34.640
this guy from earning a living.
I don't pretend to know everything that went

1503
01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:38.760
down between Saboo and PAULI and ECW, but why do that to him?

1504
01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:42.920
Seriously, WW was thrilled about the
idea of getting Saboo and Hayman, threatening

1505
01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:45.560
the possibility of legal action put the
kaibosh on the whole deal. It just

1506
01:52:45.680 --> 01:52:53.119
chilled the whole deal. So the
Funker navigating the nineties wrestling politics, and

1507
01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:56.880
like we said, going back to
w CW, don't remember, don't forget

1508
01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:00.600
Slamboury ninety four. It's in the
archives. Yes, a lot of legends

1509
01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:03.319
came back for that show. Yes, indeed, including Terry Funk, who

1510
01:53:03.319 --> 01:53:09.920
wrestled who do you remember. I
don't remember who, Holly Blanchard, who

1511
01:53:09.960 --> 01:53:12.920
they talked off the bench, and
who had made a couple of ECW appearances

1512
01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:16.399
already in his own right. Trying
to find a way post getting fired by

1513
01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:23.640
WWF and therefore rejected for WCW return
in ninety one in the Business and yeah,

1514
01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:26.600
they had a great match on the
show in terms of like you know

1515
01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:30.199
what you'd expect from quote unuote Legends
match to go kind of in slow motion.

1516
01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:32.039
Now they went out there and memory
had Bockwinkle and Funk. Wasn't it

1517
01:53:32.079 --> 01:53:35.119
too on that show, Dorry Junior, I think so. Yeah, Jesus

1518
01:53:35.359 --> 01:53:39.560
exchanging holds looking good, looking,
real solid and tight, and that had

1519
01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:42.560
a great They had a great match
to Tolly and Terry Funk and that was

1520
01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:45.840
sort of their return their respective returns
to to ww in the National Television Spotlight

1521
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:55.399
and they did the bunk House buck
Stable with Colonel Parker. In the Art

1522
01:53:55.439 --> 01:53:58.159
of War Games, we covered the
ninety four match where Funk eats plenty of

1523
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.960
steal and Rob Parker ships his pan
answer. Remember all that Funks in there

1524
01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:04.920
contributing. You know, he's the
one bumping the stud stable, aren't Anderson's

1525
01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:09.880
in there as well, so you
can kind of see it's it's you know

1526
01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:13.920
again, it's it's it's to me. It's one of those funny things where

1527
01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:23.680
you know, you take for granted, just the legacy of Terry Funk.

1528
01:54:24.279 --> 01:54:28.199
Oh yeah, yeah, because there's
always a run that you forgot about when

1529
01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:30.399
you try to think about his whole
career, when you try to sit down

1530
01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:32.560
and really like almost do a highlight
reel in your head of the key beats,

1531
01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:35.880
you're always going to miss two or
three. Yeah, And it's like

1532
01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:40.359
those are huge deals. It's not
like I it's not like I missed ones

1533
01:54:40.439 --> 01:54:44.239
that were inconsequential, right, They're
all of pretty even consequence. It's not

1534
01:54:44.359 --> 01:54:46.119
like Funk went anywhere it was a
flop and no one cares and no one

1535
01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:51.079
remembers he did something worthy of like
a best of compilation tape in every single

1536
01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:56.000
territory he ever worked in, and
he worked all of them. That's that's

1537
01:54:56.000 --> 01:55:00.319
another thing that I think is unique
about his career. But as as time

1538
01:55:00.359 --> 01:55:02.800
went on, you know, we
know about the political turmoil at WSW at

1539
01:55:02.840 --> 01:55:08.680
the time, Terry Funk started to
get disillusioned once again in Atlanta, just

1540
01:55:08.720 --> 01:55:12.479
like he did in nineteen eighty nine. He writes in his book, I

1541
01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:16.439
looked around WW and didn't really especially
like what I saw. In this business,

1542
01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:18.800
you have to know when to hold
and when to fold, when to

1543
01:55:18.840 --> 01:55:20.720
blow, and one to go,
And this was a case where it was

1544
01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:25.520
time to go almost as soon as
I got there. There was no real

1545
01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:28.199
direction for me there, and I
never got the feeling I fit into anyone's

1546
01:55:28.239 --> 01:55:30.159
plans. By now, Jim Hurd
had been gone for more than two years

1547
01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:32.720
and the company was being run by
Eric Bischoff, who had replaced Bill Watts

1548
01:55:32.720 --> 01:55:35.079
in nineteen eighty three, who,
of course, as refreshments in the past.

1549
01:55:35.279 --> 01:55:40.239
No love lost between Bill Watts and
Terry Funk. Necessarily, Bischoff had

1550
01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:42.760
been brought in a couple of years
earlier as an announcer. Shortly after we

1551
01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:45.479
took over ninety three, TBS brought
me in to talk about taking over his

1552
01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:48.600
booker. So again talk in ninety
three about making Funk the booker of a

1553
01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:54.520
national promotion just like WWP YEP.
Bill Shaw, one of the executives who

1554
01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:56.520
ran WSW, asked what I wanted
to be paid, and I told him

1555
01:55:56.520 --> 01:55:58.680
I one to three hundred and fifty
grand a year. That's no problem.

1556
01:55:58.760 --> 01:56:00.560
He said, would you be willing
to work for Eric Bischoff? Hell?

1557
01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:02.920
I figured I was on a roll
after the salary thing, and I said

1558
01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:08.119
no. He thanked me for coming
and I went home. Because Bill Shaw

1559
01:56:08.239 --> 01:56:14.520
was very much Eric Bischoff's Rabbi in
WCW definitely was the person that despite he

1560
01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:17.159
was the person Eric Bischoff buttered up
very well and strategically, he identified Bill

1561
01:56:17.199 --> 01:56:20.319
Shaw's the guy that he needed to
impress more than anybody when it came to

1562
01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:26.800
the decision, and when Bischoff was
shockingly picked over others to run the whole

1563
01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:30.439
company, it was it was the
work he'd done on ingratiating himself to Bill

1564
01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:33.079
Shaw that was the key. So
that was not the answer that the fuck

1565
01:56:33.159 --> 01:56:35.760
needed to give. And I'm not
sure he even had the intel going in

1566
01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:40.600
there to know that Bill Shaw was, you know, full it was pretty

1567
01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:44.840
much the only team Eric guy that
was around. In the very beginning of

1568
01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:47.560
Bischoff's tenure as executive vice president.
He thanked me for coming and I went

1569
01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:50.159
on home. I'm not sure I
made the right executive producer. Sorry,

1570
01:56:50.199 --> 01:56:54.359
then he became vice president later because
I could just hear him in my head

1571
01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:56.359
being like, oh, I'm wrong. You know, they talk about this

1572
01:56:56.439 --> 01:56:59.000
and they go off on these tangents. They didn't even have their facts weight

1573
01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:01.960
How only did I not have the
executive vice presidents job at the time.

1574
01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:06.000
I wouldn't want the executivevice president.
I wouldn't want it, you know.

1575
01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:14.079
Uh, thank me for coming,
and I went on home. I went

1576
01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:16.560
on home. Terry always goes on
home, doesn't he, Terry? You

1577
01:57:16.640 --> 01:57:20.439
know what, Terry didn't come to
w c W. I didn't want him

1578
01:57:20.439 --> 01:57:25.800
at w c how only was Terry
Funk not offered the booker job at w

1579
01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:32.359
W. There wasn't a booker job
at Not only was Terry Funk not offered

1580
01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:39.760
a booking job at ws W,
there wasn't a w c W there never

1581
01:57:40.079 --> 01:57:45.600
was. All right, man,
well, I don't you know. It's

1582
01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:48.079
a little hard to follow. It's
weird to me, but you know,

1583
01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:53.279
did it not? Would you be
willing to work for Eric? Now?

1584
01:57:53.319 --> 01:57:57.560
Okay? He thanked me for coming
and I went out home. I'm not

1585
01:57:57.600 --> 01:57:59.920
sure I made the right call,
Funk writes, because I never would have

1586
01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:01.720
addicted Eric would have achieved the kind
of success he would have by nineteen ninety

1587
01:58:01.760 --> 01:58:04.279
six. And that's something Terry did
not have a job. He did not

1588
01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:08.520
have any offers when Bischoff was in
bower at WW. You know, as

1589
01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:13.119
the years went he would just take
anybody. Funk was not among them.

1590
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:15.760
I also wouldn't have done what he
did Funk rights in terms of rating talent

1591
01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:18.039
from the WWF, because it would
have never occurred to me that it would

1592
01:58:18.079 --> 01:58:21.880
work, and it did. That
Who's the Boss feeling was also in WW

1593
01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:25.960
when I went there in nineteen ninety
four. Bischoff at WW a new situation.

1594
01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:30.279
What's that I'm just groaning. I'm
groaning. Chef had turned WW in

1595
01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:32.800
a situation where there were haves and
have nots. Bicheff was apparently much doing

1596
01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:35.319
what he wanted to do, was
pretty much doing what he wanted to do,

1597
01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:39.640
and the top wrestlers were doing not
what they were told or booked to

1598
01:58:39.680 --> 01:58:42.079
do, but what they wanted.
And maybe I would have been the same

1599
01:58:42.119 --> 01:58:44.439
way if I had had that much
power and guaranteed money. I think a

1600
01:58:44.479 --> 01:58:46.359
lot of people would that admit then
would admit to it, but I don't

1601
01:58:46.359 --> 01:58:48.920
think I would have. And that's
more about when and how I was brought

1602
01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:51.720
up into the wrestling business than anything
else. A lot of the guys who

1603
01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:57.079
became the problems in WCW had come
into the business in a different way than

1604
01:58:57.119 --> 01:58:59.720
I did, and didn't grow up
with that love for the business and the

1605
01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.079
bold We are all products of our
eras and our environments. How could I

1606
01:59:02.079 --> 01:59:05.479
expect Kevin Nash to see things like
I did when he didn't see the same

1607
01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:09.640
things and learn the same lessons I
did. The whole place was just totally

1608
01:59:09.680 --> 01:59:12.439
political. Hulk Hogan had come in
and brought in a bunch of his friends,

1609
01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:15.600
and so began an era of clicks, which happens periodically in this business.

1610
01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:17.199
The inmates were running the asylum,
and it had gotten to the point

1611
01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:20.239
that no one cared about the company
or anything except how they were doing.

1612
01:59:20.640 --> 01:59:26.119
In that sense, it was almost
like a diametric opposite of ECW. WCW

1613
01:59:26.279 --> 01:59:29.479
had an unproductive atmosphere at that point. Guys were looking at those big guaranteed

1614
01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:32.079
contracts and became an era of contagious
concussions. That's a good one, he

1615
01:59:32.199 --> 01:59:38.199
used to say all the time,
tageous concussions. I finally left WCW in

1616
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:41.359
the summer of nineteen ninety four because
I was going nowhere. I was on

1617
01:59:41.439 --> 01:59:44.239
a weekly deal, so I just
told Bischoff I was going. He nodded,

1618
01:59:44.279 --> 01:59:48.359
but didn't seem to register much.
And it was upon his return to

1619
01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:55.119
ECW Boss after this jaunt over to
WCW that a string was picked up that

1620
01:59:55.199 --> 02:00:00.399
had been left hanging loose much earlier
on the laps Fan Journey. I'm thinking

1621
02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:03.119
episode two of the whole thing,
actually, and now we're going to pick

1622
02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:11.119
that string up and create a forever
more intertwining between Terry Funk and the wrestler

1623
02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:14.680
who was born not far from where
he was in Bloomington, Indiana, the

1624
02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:17.479
year he started in the business in
nineteen sixty five. Terry Funk's first match

1625
02:00:18.680 --> 02:00:26.640
in Indiana being born into this world
was mcfoley. And perhaps for all the

1626
02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:29.800
great opponents we've seen Terry Funk tussle
with and have series with, and cut

1627
02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:33.800
great legendary promos against and have programs
with, McK foley ended up being the

1628
02:00:33.800 --> 02:00:39.159
wrestler that I think he was most
associated with in terms of you know what

1629
02:00:39.239 --> 02:00:43.640
I mean, as somebody that not
only made magic with the Funker, but

1630
02:00:44.760 --> 02:00:48.439
was under the learning tree of the
Funker and sought to carry on what Terry

1631
02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:54.039
Funk had become in wrestling by the
nineties into the two thousands and into the

1632
02:00:54.119 --> 02:00:59.279
late nineties as well. And in
so many ways, it's because of mcfoley

1633
02:00:59.319 --> 02:01:02.039
explaining to us through his book and
interviews and things, why Terry Funk was

1634
02:01:02.079 --> 02:01:05.960
special to him, that we understand
why Terry Funk was indeed special, or

1635
02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:09.640
that we got our first I think
in a lot of our cases, orientation

1636
02:01:10.079 --> 02:01:13.319
to why this wild man who we
knew has been in the business forever and

1637
02:01:13.439 --> 02:01:15.920
was doing insane things in ECW was
so much more than that to the boys,

1638
02:01:16.199 --> 02:01:19.159
you know, was so much more
part of the ECW cohesion that we

1639
02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:25.640
didn't see in the locker room.
And so this is where it happens.

1640
02:01:25.920 --> 02:01:29.159
You know, we talk about the
funk Fully relationship and we immediately think hell

1641
02:01:29.199 --> 02:01:31.840
in the cell, right, we
think Terry Funk coming out to help fully

1642
02:01:31.920 --> 02:01:34.159
after he came through the roof of
the cage and taking the choke slam to

1643
02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:36.439
buy him time from Undertaker and all
of that, and that happened, and

1644
02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:41.279
that's a great illustration of their bond. But I think I also think of

1645
02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:45.560
Wrestlmania fourteen, Bressel Maenia fourteen,
they teamed together. Of course the chance

1646
02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:51.680
are Charlie run. But the mcfoley
Terry Funk bond was really forged in the

1647
02:01:51.760 --> 02:01:58.640
mid nineties, in ECW. Yes, the Terry Funk mcfoley relationship is an

1648
02:01:58.640 --> 02:02:02.279
ECW story. It belongs here in
the ECW part and leg of our journey.

1649
02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:08.920
Now, of course, it was
let's say, fully calcified and crystallized

1650
02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:12.479
in the Rings of Japan, the
exploding Rings of Japan, which of course

1651
02:02:12.520 --> 02:02:15.600
we will very much get to here
on the lapsed Funks sooner than you realize.

1652
02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:20.199
But it really was them crossing paths
in ECW with its rebel spirit and

1653
02:02:20.279 --> 02:02:25.399
its wide open creative lens and ability
to go nuts on promos, where Terry

1654
02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:30.239
Funk and mcfully thrived and feuding with
each other, creating memories and creating headlines

1655
02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:35.520
in some cases one ZCW would prefer
not be generated about what was going on

1656
02:02:35.600 --> 02:02:41.279
in the arena on certain nights between
the two as they sought to up the

1657
02:02:41.359 --> 02:02:45.079
stakes, up the violence, up
the spectacle for this demanding audience. And

1658
02:02:45.960 --> 02:02:49.119
yeah, the mcfoley Terry Funk story
is an ECW story. And so I'm

1659
02:02:49.159 --> 02:02:54.520
going to pass along some excerpts that
are going to get us oriented to the

1660
02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:58.199
mcfully Terry Funk relationship, because the
time is now. I'm going to pass

1661
02:02:58.319 --> 02:03:04.000
on to you Boss some pieces from
mcfoley's first book, of course, a

1662
02:03:04.159 --> 02:03:09.600
landmark in its own right and a
transformative bestseller in terms of unleashing. You

1663
02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:12.399
know, Terry Funk probably doesn't have
a book if Nick didn't write have a

1664
02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:15.159
Nice Day, Right, We don't
have as much to draw from on a

1665
02:03:15.159 --> 02:03:19.119
project like this if Mick hadn't said
in motion the wrestling publishing industry almost single

1666
02:03:19.119 --> 02:03:23.920
handedly. So we we go back
to nineteen ninety because to hear Mickfoley tail

1667
02:03:23.960 --> 02:03:27.880
that this was actually the first time
that he encountered Terry Funk, though as

1668
02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:32.680
we'll discover, he certainly was already
quite familiar with his work. The February

1669
02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:36.760
pay per view was also memorable in
that it was Rick Flair's birthday and I

1670
02:03:36.920 --> 02:03:42.520
somehow was offered an invite from Sullivan
to attend. I was thrilled to be

1671
02:03:42.560 --> 02:03:47.439
in attendance, even after a less
than stellar match against Norman Lunatic. The

1672
02:03:47.560 --> 02:03:51.640
Funker was there, and he came
over to give me his opinion of my

1673
02:03:51.760 --> 02:03:56.880
match in his own unique style.
For several minutes, Terry rambled on with

1674
02:03:56.960 --> 02:04:00.880
a story about the devil who was
face down on the guy having his life

1675
02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:04.119
saved by the angel. The story
was making absolutely no sense until the last

1676
02:04:04.159 --> 02:04:09.000
sentence, at which point the story
and its relation to me became a parent.

1677
02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:13.600
When the lovely Angel was asked why
she would save someone as despicable as

1678
02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:16.640
the devil, the angel fluttered its
wings, strummed its harp, and replied,

1679
02:04:17.760 --> 02:04:23.520
don't you understand? Without him,
there is no me. Terry then

1680
02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:27.600
looked at me and said, in
his soft West Texas mumble, West Texas

1681
02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:31.640
mumble, Cactus Jack Norman tried to
be an angel out there, but you

1682
02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:36.399
wouldn't let him because you were not
the devil. People can talk about your

1683
02:04:36.479 --> 02:04:41.479
bumps all they want, but until
you learn to be the devil in the

1684
02:04:41.680 --> 02:04:46.640
ring, you will never fully be
all that you can. I'm nodded an

1685
02:04:46.680 --> 02:04:51.319
agreement with Terry, who seemed pleased
to have had me sit for a spell

1686
02:04:51.880 --> 02:04:56.880
underneath his learning tree. Dennis Brent
was a friend of mine from Dallas who

1687
02:04:57.039 --> 02:05:01.600
was currently the WCW magazine editor.
He had witnessed the entire Angel Devil parable

1688
02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:06.800
and couldn't help but notice the Funker's
interested in me. Terry Brent began,

1689
02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:13.239
it seems like that it seems that
you like cactus because you see a little

1690
02:05:13.239 --> 02:05:16.800
bit of yourself and him. It
was a very astute observation on Dennis's part,

1691
02:05:17.279 --> 02:05:23.600
and it deserved an equally astute response, which Terry quickly provided. I

1692
02:05:23.680 --> 02:05:28.720
don't see ship in him a proclaimed
but said it in such a way that

1693
02:05:28.920 --> 02:05:32.119
I know he agreed with Dennis.
Amazing. So we talked about all these

1694
02:05:32.239 --> 02:05:38.760
careers with a Hogan and Terry Funk. Terry Funker the worker, the worker,

1695
02:05:40.479 --> 02:05:42.920
the workers there working you and you
and you, they're working us.

1696
02:05:43.319 --> 02:05:45.680
He's a worker. He's a worker
worker, that's all. He is,

1697
02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:54.199
a worker. What lay it down? Did lay it down? Dust?

1698
02:05:54.279 --> 02:05:58.680
You know him better than anybody?
Did you? Did someone feel a draft?

1699
02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:06.520
I don't, is it already that
season? I didn't see shit in

1700
02:06:06.600 --> 02:06:12.159
him. He just picture of that
moment, can't you. I didn't see

1701
02:06:12.199 --> 02:06:16.039
shit in him, so fuck you? So yeah, I mean that's that's

1702
02:06:16.079 --> 02:06:19.199
worth remembering that. For a little
while there in the late in the Jim

1703
02:06:19.239 --> 02:06:24.199
Hurdi era, there was a little
bit of overlap between Cactus and Terry Funk,

1704
02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:28.039
so he was able to have some
interactions with him and get a sense.

1705
02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:30.600
But Terry, you know, Ad
mcfoley in his incredibly consequential wrestling career

1706
02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:38.920
the list of careers where these guys, remember, like Crystal Clear, Terry

1707
02:06:38.960 --> 02:06:44.479
Funk played and directing them and shepherding
them in a direction that would prove productive

1708
02:06:44.479 --> 02:06:47.680
and fruitful for their their entring wrestling. And you know, it turned out

1709
02:06:47.720 --> 02:06:53.800
that Terry Funk, pardon me,
Terry Funk was definitely a known entity to

1710
02:06:54.199 --> 02:06:56.640
mc foley, who, of course
was a student of the game and very

1711
02:06:56.680 --> 02:07:00.920
good friends with Brian Hildebrand, the
former w wficial Mark Artis, who was

1712
02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:03.960
also from Pittsburgh and came up in
the same training circuit as mcfoley and Shane

1713
02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:10.640
Douglas under Dom de Nucci. And
so they would get together with Mick and

1714
02:07:10.800 --> 02:07:15.199
Brian, who is an early tape
trader savant, and watch tapes from all

1715
02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:18.760
over the world. Wow. And
among the tapes that Brian Hildebrand would show

1716
02:07:18.840 --> 02:07:25.359
McK foley would be the Terry Funk
All Japan matches of the late seventies in

1717
02:07:25.479 --> 02:07:28.079
the early eighties. And I don't
know about you, Boss, but even

1718
02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:31.239
though we're still in this journey,
I look back nostalgically on watching those those

1719
02:07:31.319 --> 02:07:35.199
matches and doing those shows. For
sure, Mark and all Japan Man.

1720
02:07:36.279 --> 02:07:40.840
Absolutely, I mean, seriously,
like that's I mean, it's already nostalgic,

1721
02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:45.920
like you know, just enjoying,
like that's like being introduced to that

1722
02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:49.039
stuff because he was so great.
He was stuff different, right, Yeah,

1723
02:07:49.479 --> 02:07:51.600
yeah, because I had seen the
eighty three retirement match, but there

1724
02:07:51.640 --> 02:07:55.159
was a lot of stuff I hadn't
seen that we watched too, So yeah,

1725
02:07:55.159 --> 02:07:59.079
it was it was a discovery for
me as well. But he's watching

1726
02:07:59.319 --> 02:08:03.439
Terry Funk tape, and he's watching
Terry Funk tapes, you know that the

1727
02:08:03.479 --> 02:08:07.079
American wrestling fan hadn't really seen if
Terry Funk. We talked about and delineated

1728
02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:11.760
very clearly how different the essence in
the aura of Terry Funk was in Japan

1729
02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:18.039
versus America. And that's the Terry
Funk that Brian Hildebrand is urging Mick Foley

1730
02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:20.960
to watch for pointers and, among
other things, how to throw those punches.

1731
02:08:20.640 --> 02:08:24.159
I mean, by now we settled
on the idea that Funk knows how

1732
02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:28.680
to throw a punch, yes,
and he knows how to show punches that

1733
02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:31.239
look really sharp and like boxing punches
early in the match and as the match

1734
02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:35.159
drags on the kind of whirling windmill
shots you'd get in a drunken bar fight.

1735
02:08:35.520 --> 02:08:39.359
Just he knows, he knows how
to make his punches do a lot

1736
02:08:39.479 --> 02:08:43.199
of work for him. I've never
seen a wrestler that's gotten as much mileage

1737
02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:46.199
out of punches. Jerry Lawler is
a close second, but Jerry Lawler's punches

1738
02:08:46.239 --> 02:08:50.439
were one note. Funks punches could
tell you what stage of the match we

1739
02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:54.720
were in. Yep. Funk's punches
could tell you where he was at in

1740
02:08:54.800 --> 02:08:58.520
terms of how much punishment he had
taken it. He got so much more.

1741
02:08:58.439 --> 02:09:01.720
There was a right, I mean, there was a there were there

1742
02:09:01.760 --> 02:09:07.760
were levels and dynamics to his definitely
punches. Yeah, he wouldn't just do

1743
02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:09.880
the spot where he'd pulled down the
strap and throw the down town. His

1744
02:09:11.039 --> 02:09:15.560
punches would be sprinkled throughout the match
and would be adjusted based on how he

1745
02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:18.520
was feeling in the ring. He
was he was being the guy who was

1746
02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:20.600
in a fight, you know,
yep, And it came through. So

1747
02:09:22.560 --> 02:09:26.159
so McK foley took to the Dais
on a ring roast that k f Abe

1748
02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:31.000
Commentaries put together for Terry Funk years
ago with a bunch of his compatriots.

1749
02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:35.800
We've excerpted from this before. On
the lapsed Funk and Nick fully gave a

1750
02:09:35.800 --> 02:09:37.319
great speech at this thing kind of
stepped out of I don't know, propriety.

1751
02:09:37.359 --> 02:09:41.920
I don't really recall from Sean Oliver's
book if Mick had to get special

1752
02:09:41.960 --> 02:09:43.399
dispensation from WW to do this,
But it was the kind of thing that

1753
02:09:43.399 --> 02:09:46.520
he would do. They would say
yes too, because they know he'd do

1754
02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:50.560
it anyway and just be pissy about
it, you know. But he always,

1755
02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:54.920
you know, stepped out of that. He always went out of his

1756
02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:58.039
way to do things for Terry Funk, like you know, be part of

1757
02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:01.039
occasions for Terry Funk. Can lend
his name. Two occasions were Terry Funk

1758
02:10:01.079 --> 02:10:05.520
and this certainly was no exception.
And it's here that he well tells the

1759
02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:09.399
story of learning the Terry Funk punches
from watching the tapes with Brian Hildebrand and

1760
02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:15.600
then coming around and realizing there might
not be as much magic there as meets

1761
02:10:15.640 --> 02:10:20.000
the eye moral wrestling matches. It's
amazing. I mean, the hours would

1762
02:10:20.039 --> 02:10:24.479
go by and Brian rows to take
out these matches from Terry Funk in Japan.

1763
02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:28.319
At the time, I was having
a lot of trouble learning to throw

1764
02:10:28.359 --> 02:10:31.840
a decent punch. And he would
say, watch how Terry Funk doesn't and

1765
02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:37.239
man, I'd watch those punches and
it was like magic. It's like Houdini

1766
02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:41.359
stepped into the ring. And then
I got to work with Terry and Japan

1767
02:10:41.479 --> 02:10:46.520
in nineteen ninety one, and seeing
his brother Dorry Funk. What an honor,

1768
02:10:46.640 --> 02:10:52.119
and I was actually pleased looking forward
to that first big Terry Funk left

1769
02:10:52.159 --> 02:10:56.880
hand. I mean, it comes
time and I'm waiting for it, waiting

1770
02:10:56.960 --> 02:11:01.760
to admire it. And Terry Funk
proceeds to punch me as hard as he

1771
02:11:01.920 --> 02:11:15.479
can in the forehead. I thought, holy shit, put the ear muffs

1772
02:11:15.520 --> 02:11:20.960
on, kid, Okay, it's
too late in the ear mups. Okay,

1773
02:11:22.359 --> 02:11:26.800
how old are you ten? How
do you feel about Santa Claus?

1774
02:11:28.520 --> 02:11:31.800
You don't believe in it? Well, that day in Japan, young man,

1775
02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:35.960
it was like someone told me that
Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny,

1776
02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:41.119
and the tooth Fairy didn't exist all
at one time. Wow. Generally,

1777
02:11:41.439 --> 02:11:46.000
generally, dissolution is I talk to
myself. Hell, I could do that.

1778
02:11:48.039 --> 02:11:50.880
Billy talks about art, and I
kid you not. I was thinking

1779
02:11:50.920 --> 02:11:54.560
about Michael Angelo and the Sistine Chapel
on the way here, it's actually gonna

1780
02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:58.199
think of that now, Graham.
It took that. Ryan Marr took Graham's

1781
02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:05.520
with the other gram wardrobe. But
I would compare Michaelangelo and the Sistine Chapel

1782
02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:11.239
seven years. I didn't really slept
there. He lived there seven years,

1783
02:12:11.359 --> 02:12:13.159
and I think, you look at
this. It's in the Vatican, is

1784
02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:16.079
it? It looked up and you're
thinking, how the hell did he do

1785
02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:20.840
that? Which is what I had
been thinking about Terry Funk before I worked

1786
02:12:20.840 --> 02:12:26.880
with him, And then it became
very, very simple. Terry's style was

1787
02:12:26.960 --> 02:12:31.840
you just simply hit people as hard
as you can. There will be conversations

1788
02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:35.960
about where Terry stands in the all
time list, whether he's up there with

1789
02:12:37.880 --> 02:12:43.439
Flair or Harley Race or Billie's Superstar
Brahm or the Van Erks. But I

1790
02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:50.439
maintain and even Brett Hart would can
see that Terry Funk is the stiffest there

1791
02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:58.439
is, the stiffest there was unless
somebody proved to Mom, no, guy,

1792
02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:07.239
he's just so that's the secret.
God damn it. You go in

1793
02:13:07.319 --> 02:13:09.359
there and you start wrapping people on
the fucking head to get their attention right

1794
02:13:09.680 --> 02:13:13.359
exactly, and then and then you
know you can't hit him as hard anymore

1795
02:13:13.399 --> 02:13:16.840
because you're fucking hurting. He doesn't
insert yes exactly. He does it in

1796
02:13:16.960 --> 02:13:22.840
service of the notion that we,
as wrestling fans, should be allowed to

1797
02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:28.079
believe. Yes, we should have
the option of choosing to believe that what

1798
02:13:28.199 --> 02:13:33.920
we're seeing is a real fight that
shouldn't be taken away from us prematurely.

1799
02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:37.600
And uh and so, yeah,
some people are gonna have to get wrapped

1800
02:13:37.720 --> 02:13:41.640
upside the head sometimes to keep that
up. You know, he was in

1801
02:13:41.680 --> 02:13:45.000
there with Johnny Valentine. He was
in there with Wahoo. Yes, yes,

1802
02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:46.279
so he was in there with the
people that would eat you alive,

1803
02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:50.039
because they if everybody else on the
show looked fake, they could give a

1804
02:13:50.119 --> 02:13:52.560
fuck. What they cared about is
the people have to build and saying that

1805
02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:56.039
motherfucker was real and that that was
how to stay paid in wrestling. That

1806
02:13:56.079 --> 02:13:58.359
was how to build legacy in wrestling. That was what it was to be

1807
02:13:58.479 --> 02:14:01.279
a great wrestler. And Terry Funks
a and yeah, a new generation including

1808
02:14:01.359 --> 02:14:05.720
mcfoley, had to learn that by
getting wrapped upside the head. Because Foley

1809
02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:09.000
was on the move in nineteen ninety
four, and you know, he had

1810
02:14:09.079 --> 02:14:13.439
come up in the TWA working with
Eddie Gilbert. He was involved in Memphis

1811
02:14:13.479 --> 02:14:16.119
as well. Was mcfoley coming up, and as we talked about, he

1812
02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:20.159
actually wrestled Terry Funk in nineteen ninety
one on some of these fledgling at Northeast

1813
02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:22.720
indies that started to crop up.
You know, the TWA's one of them

1814
02:14:22.760 --> 02:14:26.199
we saw. It's similar to when
we saw Terry Funk wrestling Jerry Lawler on

1815
02:14:26.479 --> 02:14:31.840
American Independence in the early nineties,
a reprise of their Memphis feud from the

1816
02:14:31.880 --> 02:14:37.359
early eighties doing it now in this
sort of newly constituted post WWFNWCW consolidation US

1817
02:14:37.399 --> 02:14:39.800
independent scene of the nineties, and
that is where mcfoley had opportunity to actually

1818
02:14:39.800 --> 02:14:46.079
share a ring and tag matches and
other settings with Terry Funk before crossing paths

1819
02:14:46.079 --> 02:14:48.079
with him in ECW. One of
the shows, of course, with a

1820
02:14:48.159 --> 02:14:52.600
Joel Goodheart TWA shows we've talked about, and as mcfoley said in his book

1821
02:14:52.640 --> 02:14:56.000
to me, Joel shows with a
circus equivalence of seeing a guy get shot

1822
02:14:56.000 --> 02:15:00.359
out of a cannon thirty times on
small shows and little high school. Joel

1823
02:15:00.359 --> 02:15:03.159
would force feed this repetitious menu of
violence for so long that most people look

1824
02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:07.560
like they would never want to attend
wrestling again upon leaving, and he remembers

1825
02:15:09.720 --> 02:15:11.880
mixing it up on one of these
cards. I'm not sure if this is

1826
02:15:11.880 --> 02:15:15.279
against Terry Funk. He said.
The match was actually ruled in no contest

1827
02:15:15.319 --> 02:15:16.960
when I became so badly wrapped up
in barboire I couldn't get out. Good

1828
02:15:18.000 --> 02:15:20.560
Heart was excited about the match and
all the media attention that he was receiving

1829
02:15:20.600 --> 02:15:22.640
because of it. A few weeks
later, the barbed wire match, he

1830
02:15:22.680 --> 02:15:24.920
told me of the master plan,
a two to three false match with Eddie

1831
02:15:24.920 --> 02:15:26.479
Gilbert. He's talking about, pardon
me mcfully talking about a match of Eddie

1832
02:15:26.479 --> 02:15:31.279
Gilbert and TWA and me with each
being match being a gimmick match. Together,

1833
02:15:31.359 --> 02:15:35.399
we came up with the match a
false count of anywhere stretcher match the

1834
02:15:35.479 --> 02:15:37.800
loser is the first one unable to
get up in a steel cage match,

1835
02:15:37.920 --> 02:15:41.680
sort of like the Three Stages of
Hell. Remember that one from Foley from

1836
02:15:41.720 --> 02:15:46.000
a Austin in triple h. Yes, different matches across three falls and steel

1837
02:15:46.000 --> 02:15:48.640
cage match. Do all those in
one night would certainly be challenging, So

1838
02:15:50.039 --> 02:15:56.079
McK foley sort of working the same
scenes Terry Funk was working trying to find

1839
02:15:56.079 --> 02:16:01.760
his place in the business in early
nineteen ninety one, and so come ECW

1840
02:16:01.239 --> 02:16:05.119
nineteen eighty four is kind of the
year we're settled on here. In this

1841
02:16:05.199 --> 02:16:09.840
episode of the show. Not only
does Urnate Erson come through Bobby and Bobby

1842
02:16:09.880 --> 02:16:13.439
Eaton come through the Public Enemy and
Dory Funk Junior cross paths and share the

1843
02:16:13.520 --> 02:16:18.159
ring with the Funker, Shane Douglas
and Saboo, but so too does Cactus

1844
02:16:18.319 --> 02:16:22.319
Jack. And so we're going on
Mike Tyson twenty four. Mike Tyson does

1845
02:16:22.359 --> 02:16:24.079
too, right, I was going
to get there, yeah, all right,

1846
02:16:26.199 --> 02:16:35.120
shortly after he was sprung on bail
uh a bail of hay. Yeah,

1847
02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:37.440
you got that right. What where
are we going? What this again?

1848
02:16:39.719 --> 02:16:46.200
Twenty four, twenty four, twenty
twenty four? Kind of what is

1849
02:16:46.360 --> 02:16:52.239
the time code? We're looking at? Thirty four to thirty four, thirty

1850
02:16:52.520 --> 02:17:01.120
four thirty thirty four out. Okay, this is August thirteenth, nineteen ninety

1851
02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:05.040
four e c W Arena, and
I believe this is the first e c

1852
02:17:05.280 --> 02:17:11.559
W one on one meeting between Terry
Funk and Cactus Jack. Three two one

1853
02:17:11.719 --> 02:17:18.639
play Oh, there's a man who
really enjoys his professions. Another guys five

1854
02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:22.600
minutes away from that bang it heads
with cactus jacket. He didn't come out

1855
02:17:22.680 --> 02:17:46.680
with Paul ripping out chef fully interesting. Yes, how the hell baby jackets

1856
02:17:48.159 --> 02:17:54.239
cactus reached probably red, yellow and
blue ropes on these w Whatever that is

1857
02:17:54.319 --> 02:18:09.879
about God seems fully so fucking fairly, you know, like the kid he's

1858
02:18:11.000 --> 02:18:31.360
like, the time for talk is
over. Seven pounds, please welcome the

1859
02:18:31.520 --> 02:18:46.680
living legend, Terry. There we
go, Living Legends number. I don't

1860
02:18:46.680 --> 02:18:50.840
know if the fight out there yet. Weigh a police Catherine with somebody who

1861
02:18:52.079 --> 02:18:58.520
was London full of w C W
Stan. I think someone who's coming in

1862
02:18:58.639 --> 02:19:05.200
with the anti violets message. I
said that the waiting is it's not for

1863
02:19:05.319 --> 02:19:13.079
act sitting back there watching, and
I think we both agree there's been far

1864
02:19:13.280 --> 02:19:28.000
too much milince already. Jerry,
I recently learned to appreciate the value of

1865
02:19:28.159 --> 02:19:35.600
family entertainment. Are you in Philadelphia? Pretty well? But what they want

1866
02:19:35.680 --> 02:19:43.559
and what they need right now is
one hell of a scientific match. That's

1867
02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:48.239
amazing. Pray don't it's a by
golly, Jerry. I think we're the

1868
02:19:48.319 --> 02:20:03.120
two guys to give it to him, checking that he does. So we're

1869
02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:07.280
gonna say a scientific matchup between scientific
matchup. See that's what he did.

1870
02:20:07.319 --> 02:20:11.280
He came in and had you know
what, Jerry, you and I we

1871
02:20:11.399 --> 02:20:16.440
wrestle in Japan an a tag team. We wrestle in Florida and a tag

1872
02:20:16.600 --> 02:20:22.120
team. But tonight, thanks d
c W, the first time we ever

1873
02:20:22.280 --> 02:20:28.280
stood doing a two the way it's
supposed to be. I got a lot

1874
02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:33.000
of respect for you, and it's
gonna hurt me to have to kick your

1875
02:20:33.120 --> 02:20:41.200
asshole over the East c W O
re look, harnlet has been dropped,

1876
02:20:41.239 --> 02:20:46.520
but not as bad as it's gonna
hrk you. By god. You know

1877
02:20:48.799 --> 02:20:52.680
That's what I love about Cactus.
He's always been a dreamer hat in here

1878
02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:03.959
and I have a feeling we are
about this is like as great as milfos

1879
02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:11.920
and w c W. And despite
the facts given, realized that this guy

1880
02:21:11.040 --> 02:21:16.399
is actually one of the best.
As much as you want to pigeonhole him

1881
02:21:16.479 --> 02:21:20.079
for they'll be the stunt man and
getting noticed because he's willing to fire off

1882
02:21:20.120 --> 02:21:22.639
the apron and land a concert.
Fuck you, that's just because no one

1883
02:21:22.680 --> 02:21:26.319
given time to the stick. It's
a better plan than that he's one of

1884
02:21:26.319 --> 02:21:31.600
the best start. Yeah, well, he pulled out this character as someone

1885
02:21:31.639 --> 02:21:35.280
who's acting like he's got the superstar
schene around him, you know, and

1886
02:21:35.440 --> 02:21:46.040
he's looking to clean up Cactus.
Another guy that's Steve Weston. He had

1887
02:21:46.040 --> 02:21:50.600
that brain opinion that Pitt stop at
the c W between the show side of

1888
02:21:50.680 --> 02:21:56.760
himself, that New York he actually
sent their teeth into get a chance to

1889
02:21:56.799 --> 02:22:01.520
show against the stile, I fetch
chops by Cactus wakes up the fencer back

1890
02:22:01.520 --> 02:22:05.399
to the Coloradodo. So you're gonna
play this one straight, boss, I

1891
02:22:05.239 --> 02:22:07.760
fucking love and hold off of the
series of enoughs. And then since Cactus

1892
02:22:07.799 --> 02:22:11.559
couldn't ups in the yips and Sam
hard to the floor fun out after a

1893
02:22:11.559 --> 02:22:15.680
while, Derek fuck goes right out
after him. Not so much for technically

1894
02:22:16.040 --> 02:22:24.680
and fuck if you're table again,
attacking practice went on the floor. So

1895
02:22:24.799 --> 02:22:28.840
now yeah, you got you have
Nick Foley taking the violin pups but doing

1896
02:22:28.879 --> 02:22:37.399
it almost under protest right faith off
Caractife Jack could feel suddenly the appeal level

1897
02:22:37.520 --> 02:22:41.040
is not what Cactus Jack is wanting
to do to himself, but when he's

1898
02:22:41.360 --> 02:22:45.639
taken to a violent place, it's
it's not him doing to himself. It's

1899
02:22:45.680 --> 02:22:50.879
someone out stated to him. Right, guys up the laws Cactus. Terry

1900
02:22:50.920 --> 02:22:56.760
reading after lost the swarm of East
w faithful still a one cow show.

1901
02:22:56.840 --> 02:23:01.120
I don't think so. It's have
always been a long Chamer shoot. I

1902
02:23:01.280 --> 02:23:11.000
know Terry fuck is God in Philly. This winner at the bottom of the

1903
02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:13.399
corner school. It's horrify looking at
She's been there a million times. I've

1904
02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:18.319
seen her a bunch of times.
She listening a red hair. She's she's

1905
02:23:18.440 --> 02:23:26.239
been there every all, every match
we've watched today. This is they were

1906
02:23:26.239 --> 02:23:31.639
gonna have. They are scientific.
Still S is not the national They throw

1907
02:23:31.799 --> 02:23:39.879
the brown sleep the sleeper hold in
the audience and that fully sits down and

1908
02:23:39.239 --> 02:23:48.079
just drops down just ten football the
lands in the still a proground. Oh

1909
02:23:48.200 --> 02:23:52.520
the fully launches almost put the floe, flip over the dar groll over the

1910
02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:58.200
front row, chop to the upside
the head. So you're seeing, you

1911
02:23:58.319 --> 02:24:01.239
know the funk. You're always Donalds
there go get it wrong, he said,

1912
02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:05.120
all I like building out me out. Why don't think anyone to Still

1913
02:24:05.159 --> 02:24:13.559
they want to go back in the
ring had forty o'cld and goes the fucking

1914
02:24:13.760 --> 02:24:20.840
Foley. It's the Opprobterry Bucky.
He looks. We looked so tired,

1915
02:24:22.079 --> 02:24:28.399
so sick of this ship back just
keep it, just do a fa just

1916
02:24:28.760 --> 02:24:33.799
let me retire. Oh, there
we go. He never had he not

1917
02:24:33.920 --> 02:24:37.680
learned his lesson. You're from losing
his ear. Jamestown is going off for

1918
02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:45.639
from someone. Hey, maybe through
the rope spots. Those are much more

1919
02:24:45.680 --> 02:24:50.879
sad. Man gets what I happened
here. That's the problem in Germany as

1920
02:24:50.959 --> 02:24:58.120
the ropes for ices. There's Germany's
fault. Gotcha said that on a lot

1921
02:24:58.159 --> 02:25:03.440
of things. That's true. Bunker
out at Falling on podcast, Cactus laning

1922
02:25:03.479 --> 02:25:05.719
and big left hands. Go in
and see a racetra hat guy, the

1923
02:25:05.879 --> 02:25:09.319
fore roll, you see every das
day and you see the hell street.

1924
02:25:09.360 --> 02:25:16.280
This scientific wrestling at its best.
Not what do you remember? Not remember

1925
02:25:16.319 --> 02:25:20.520
that being a thing in the nineties. No, oh god, it's so

1926
02:25:20.719 --> 02:25:30.520
bad, and not go this add
to the stale support. Then again,

1927
02:25:31.799 --> 02:25:35.680
Uncle taking the cactus on a tour
of the ring posts on the outside,

1928
02:25:37.200 --> 02:25:45.360
ran some back into the fia fuck
rof cactus back into the ring. M

1929
02:25:45.719 --> 02:25:50.399
oh no oh I the kenemy well
the dage foreheads they even a bloody war

1930
02:25:50.479 --> 02:25:54.879
olo were set of the seas on
the funk with note growing this round sat

1931
02:25:54.959 --> 02:26:03.319
going out wait before out of the
tradition were back out after this is August

1932
02:26:03.399 --> 02:26:09.840
thirteenth of ninety four. Okay man, that was July sixteenth. All so,

1933
02:26:09.959 --> 02:26:13.639
even if they got a clean victory
over Hendi, they're still fucking yeah,

1934
02:26:13.639 --> 02:26:20.479
they're still pretty killing that. Yeah, the public animly you're working in,

1935
02:26:20.760 --> 02:26:24.440
Terry did the teeny You're just trying
to go into a funk a pardon

1936
02:26:24.520 --> 02:26:28.680
of all. Tactus Jack just kind
of sits down in the corner I had

1937
02:26:28.760 --> 02:26:31.879
going after him too. Aren't they
alight? No, they're kind of like

1938
02:26:33.040 --> 02:26:39.200
that. There's totally silence. People
are very interesting this as a yeah,

1939
02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:45.559
because they've already gotten their drops totally
Terry. One of the things doctor said

1940
02:26:45.559 --> 02:26:48.680
is he said he is in a
place where you know, got out of

1941
02:26:48.719 --> 02:26:52.920
the client to killing yourself and then
had to thud it because they guy the

1942
02:26:52.959 --> 02:26:56.639
actor Pori with their friendly table.
Probably he's going now that's a good knock

1943
02:26:56.639 --> 02:27:01.040
shout outs used to have any he
says the show of Verse and stuff that

1944
02:27:01.079 --> 02:27:03.719
I don't have the same match a
super party. They're trying to get Jack

1945
02:27:03.760 --> 02:27:07.959
could cover bottle. You know,
they'll do the tables of the match one

1946
02:27:09.040 --> 02:27:13.520
two kickout, but Jack doesn't ponents
that meant nothing as much offense. They'll

1947
02:27:13.520 --> 02:27:16.959
get their stuff out of us.
Yeah, the legends, Oh Johnny Brune

1948
02:27:16.040 --> 02:27:20.239
levels, I wish you're like,
that's necessarily that the say is it gonna

1949
02:27:20.239 --> 02:27:26.840
disqualified it? He's already fucking let
all this should happen. Now they're attacking

1950
02:27:26.920 --> 02:27:31.920
mcphone out. Terry Punk has been
laid out, one kick in. They're

1951
02:27:33.000 --> 02:27:35.399
trying to get Cat Distriver on top
of funking rock o' rock is gonna count

1952
02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:48.399
the three that valid. That's aw
We've had no decision indifference to say the

1953
02:27:48.520 --> 02:27:52.559
least or the least a better cry. They raised Cactus's hand and he says

1954
02:27:52.639 --> 02:27:54.760
nope, and so they attacked him. They already attacked him though, I

1955
02:27:56.079 --> 02:28:00.280
think they fucked out. I don't
think public enemy. We're shows sat John

1956
02:28:00.360 --> 02:28:09.280
terror On fucked up? You fucked
up? Where's the chair down? Terry

1957
02:28:09.440 --> 02:28:20.479
fuck is death? Jesus Christ.
This is awful, but it's got something

1958
02:28:20.520 --> 02:28:24.559
of significance on the tail there,
so the latch we can presume is over.

1959
02:28:24.639 --> 02:28:28.600
Even though an official get a roster
the cat. And now Terry Funk

1960
02:28:28.760 --> 02:28:33.239
is grabbing something at one side and
can't quite make it out. It's twisting

1961
02:28:33.360 --> 02:28:43.760
his nipating a piece of table and
he's just wrestling with this piece of table.

1962
02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:50.840
So is McK foland, and they
have both broken off pieces of table

1963
02:28:50.879 --> 02:28:54.040
and the people pop through that.
My friend, Now they're friends because they've

1964
02:28:54.079 --> 02:28:58.040
got table. Oh they're right.
They're coming together to attack the public enemy

1965
02:29:00.239 --> 02:29:03.879
Rock. They have now become bedfellows
that fullys going hardcore all of a sudden,

1966
02:29:05.399 --> 02:29:07.399
exclusively on a day. I'll be
a old betty. We'll stay in

1967
02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:16.440
next time. I don't I think
we've put it after this? Are we

1968
02:29:16.559 --> 02:29:18.639
off? Are we off? Jelly? I don't know you signed off already.

1969
02:29:20.760 --> 02:29:24.719
That's a wrap fellas, yea the
keeper. No, they came back.

1970
02:29:24.840 --> 02:29:30.760
They continues a false finish Trickleach does
those to this day. I can

1971
02:29:30.799 --> 02:29:33.280
see him. Punk came out at
the Friver series. Remember they show up

1972
02:29:33.280 --> 02:29:35.399
the little thing in the corner thinking
the ship the ap Cat. I can

1973
02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:41.159
give you a copyright that's still going
on. Cactus Jack battles with johny Bringer's

1974
02:29:41.200 --> 02:29:46.239
Doctor Greenside. All right, Funck
after Rock go Rock. We've got him

1975
02:29:46.239 --> 02:29:52.239
a crop to bad drop. It
looks like the funker balls they've got their

1976
02:29:52.280 --> 02:29:58.200
net cap. At LEASTI would take
turn to the time. That's right.

1977
02:29:58.840 --> 02:30:01.799
I guess Jory wasn't good on that. To this feud, I guess that's

1978
02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:05.760
the takeaway. Oh Terry bunks Rock
over the head with a frying pan and

1979
02:30:05.879 --> 02:30:11.959
shave the right and again and again. Christ is the fans bring their own

1980
02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:18.000
weapons. The people have like,
sh I get this off. People still

1981
02:30:18.000 --> 02:30:30.319
putting h Imagine something brought a fucking
you shure UZI, who's this fucking Terry

1982
02:30:30.360 --> 02:30:37.959
Funk grabs it Uozy and it completely
destroys Rocco Rock. Terry playing fucking drums

1983
02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:43.799
on Rocco Rock's head. But he's
like makes rock a rock Swiss cheese those

1984
02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:46.079
styles. She said, this is
like watching the back go too of my

1985
02:30:46.479 --> 02:30:52.280
not try intended to buy some on
the money. D e t by Cactus

1986
02:30:52.559 --> 02:30:56.120
was just watching that and I was
trying to pile Trying Rock though on the

1987
02:30:56.239 --> 02:31:03.920
fucking riding pan. What is that
ansome for chairs like that? I wouldn't

1988
02:31:03.920 --> 02:31:07.159
be the only time on that day
that rock O' walk will go headfirst in

1989
02:31:07.239 --> 02:31:13.799
your frown pipe, oh cactus.
And then they put the public nay on

1990
02:31:13.840 --> 02:31:16.840
top of each other, and this
time captains black pants that's been lot's just

1991
02:31:16.920 --> 02:31:20.000
as valid hit them out. So
the problem responds very positively, Oh oh

1992
02:31:22.360 --> 02:31:31.600
it's raining chairs. O my god, Like why do people fit like there's

1993
02:31:31.719 --> 02:31:35.559
no concern with any safety of those
guys that have been in the mind the

1994
02:31:35.680 --> 02:31:43.200
side. Look at those chairs.
It's disturbed bos to chairs over the road.

1995
02:31:45.600 --> 02:31:48.559
The call the head of you was
that buried with the l roads and

1996
02:31:48.719 --> 02:31:52.520
it's absolutely disturbed down Look look at
the look at the cop of the Bata.

1997
02:31:52.680 --> 02:32:05.520
Dude, I don't look at the
room. I mean that is a

1998
02:32:05.639 --> 02:32:16.120
full heap of chairs. What about
it? I what about it? As

1999
02:32:18.879 --> 02:32:22.799
talking about hardcore, I I got
nothing that left to say. Hey,

2000
02:32:22.799 --> 02:32:28.319
if it's been hard poor heaven had
a night of laft w you just lay

2001
02:32:28.639 --> 02:32:33.479
yeah right, good knowing man,
We thank you. You're telling you this

2002
02:32:33.719 --> 02:32:37.319
is joy than that and the exeed. I'll be all right. Where's the

2003
02:32:37.479 --> 02:32:41.399
play? A t deceased to get
these guys that are that a concerns could

2004
02:32:41.479 --> 02:32:48.559
tell someon the pust bout them was
U rolling ship forming the crowd for the

2005
02:32:48.760 --> 02:32:56.079
kill somebody to crowd. They're trying
to kill you. Thats Broco Rocks trying

2006
02:32:56.079 --> 02:33:00.760
to get interest rightful the chair.
Joey Gooch has the money. I am

2007
02:33:00.840 --> 02:33:07.120
actually leased they will be died.
You don't know what you've started that you

2008
02:33:07.239 --> 02:33:13.440
think, do you? I won't, fatherly, God, I really ship

2009
02:33:13.520 --> 02:33:26.280
up. I said we're the shutters. Ever, sen I can't walk about

2010
02:33:26.280 --> 02:34:03.040
the will that small shairs on Jesus? Oh you know what you have to

2011
02:34:03.120 --> 02:34:16.399
put this one for us of the
lad Oh totally. This was built folds

2012
02:34:16.799 --> 02:34:22.479
with all the chairs up disturbed.
This is the line from this one.

2013
02:34:22.239 --> 02:34:41.360
I never want to help him again. A lot of times I've seen this.

2014
02:34:41.399 --> 02:34:43.959
I've remember saw it thumps now that
there was a copy of the time,

2015
02:34:43.959 --> 02:34:46.879
ready to sweat up through jobs.
Yeah he did great, he did

2016
02:34:46.920 --> 02:34:50.399
a great job. Huh. I
know, yeah job. The cat was

2017
02:34:50.440 --> 02:34:54.120
out offer. And it's weird.
The fans are not like they're they're almost

2018
02:34:54.159 --> 02:34:58.520
stone faced. Like you don't see
anybody screaming for blood. You don't see

2019
02:34:58.520 --> 02:35:03.440
anyone really animated. They're just like
standing there. Probably try to pretend they're

2020
02:35:03.440 --> 02:35:05.920
not the ones who through the chairs
is probably what it is. They're also

2021
02:35:05.040 --> 02:35:11.840
probably you know, they're probably a
bunch of fucking you know, sociopaths.

2022
02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:16.079
Is Terry leading us to a dark
place? Boss, Yes, it's happening

2023
02:35:16.120 --> 02:35:20.799
in the small building in South Philly. What's being unleashed, what's being allowed?

2024
02:35:20.840 --> 02:35:24.719
Extremities? Extremities? Oh my god? And that the man that clip

2025
02:35:24.719 --> 02:35:28.719
would be played a million times.
They had like you know, ECW home

2026
02:35:28.799 --> 02:35:31.319
video commercials they put together selling the
tapes, and that was the one man

2027
02:35:31.360 --> 02:35:35.760
they showed that one like you gotta
see what led to this? And unlike

2028
02:35:35.799 --> 02:35:37.639
the other match that with a ring
filled with chairs, Terry and Dorry versus

2029
02:35:37.639 --> 02:35:41.559
public enemy in the Barbier, there
really wasn't a moment where Terry calls for

2030
02:35:41.639 --> 02:35:46.280
the chairs, right, they almost
looked like it looked like funk did,

2031
02:35:46.399 --> 02:35:52.600
I'm not funny, Folly did.
Well, that was a mistake. And

2032
02:35:52.360 --> 02:35:56.280
this is like just an absurd amount
of chairs and a lot of them were

2033
02:35:56.319 --> 02:35:58.360
steel, unlike the Barber match,
where a lot of them were plastic.

2034
02:35:58.440 --> 02:36:03.399
Not that it makes it much difference, but you are throwing a heavier metal

2035
02:36:03.440 --> 02:36:09.200
object through the air. It's just
they're experimenting and they're testing the boundaries and

2036
02:36:09.319 --> 02:36:13.719
nobe, no one knows enough yet
to make them pay for it, you

2037
02:36:13.760 --> 02:36:18.280
know what I mean. Nobody is
realizing that this is actually that they're replicating

2038
02:36:18.440 --> 02:36:22.360
here, and that it's it's taking
on a life and animus of its own.

2039
02:36:22.520 --> 02:36:26.239
And it's into that sort of cauldron
that Micfoley and Terry Funk do their

2040
02:36:28.200 --> 02:36:31.559
make their greatest mischief together, you
know, importing as much of that hyper

2041
02:36:31.639 --> 02:36:35.719
violence that they were practicing in Japan
at the time to America and ECW the

2042
02:36:35.760 --> 02:36:39.559
place that would come closest to being
able to countenance that level of insanity.

2043
02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:43.799
And this, this moment, after
their first one on one meeting, which

2044
02:36:43.079 --> 02:36:50.319
ironically started with a pledge to keep
it scientific, ends up with an ant

2045
02:36:50.360 --> 02:36:52.879
hill, a life size scale ant
hill full of steel chairs in the middle

2046
02:36:52.879 --> 02:36:58.440
of the ring with the publican and
be buried underneath. So Foley's here and

2047
02:36:58.760 --> 02:37:03.639
he's figuring out what it means to
be in ECW and to work with Terry

2048
02:37:03.680 --> 02:37:09.239
Funk, and he describes the experience
and lent some helpful context in his book,

2049
02:37:09.280 --> 02:37:11.360
and this excerpt Boss that I hope
you could share with the people.

2050
02:37:18.079 --> 02:37:22.200
I made my return to the ECW
Arena at the end of September. I

2051
02:37:22.280 --> 02:37:24.920
had no belt to spit on this
time, so I assumed I would avoid

2052
02:37:24.959 --> 02:37:30.479
any further controversy. I had already
agreed with Todd and Paul E to make

2053
02:37:30.559 --> 02:37:33.600
ECW my top priority. At that
time, the company was booking only four

2054
02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:37.120
shows a month, and I agreed
to appear in all of them. I

2055
02:37:37.280 --> 02:37:41.360
was excited about the show because it
was to be my first singles match ever

2056
02:37:41.559 --> 02:37:46.159
with the Funker, Terry Funk,
the same guy who four years earlier jokingly

2057
02:37:46.680 --> 02:37:50.680
claimed not to have seen shit in
me. I had been a friend of

2058
02:37:50.879 --> 02:37:54.959
Terry's for years, and he was
pretty much my hero in the business.

2059
02:37:54.639 --> 02:37:58.719
He had seen it all and done
it all, but he still had the

2060
02:37:58.799 --> 02:38:01.959
decency to respect all all the other
wrestlers, and he never failed to be

2061
02:38:01.040 --> 02:38:05.680
polite to the fans When the bell
rang. However, Terry was a different

2062
02:38:05.760 --> 02:38:09.079
man. He would become a wild
eyed mad man at every show, no

2063
02:38:09.239 --> 02:38:13.360
matter how small the crowd. He
could be that out of control madmen one

2064
02:38:13.440 --> 02:38:18.840
moment and kindly old uncle Terry the
next. Even at the age of fifty,

2065
02:38:18.920 --> 02:38:22.239
he took a tremendous beating, and
even years later, at fifty four,

2066
02:38:22.360 --> 02:38:26.079
took a worldlessly entertainment beating from me
so bad that I apologized to him

2067
02:38:26.120 --> 02:38:31.680
for days about it. Cactus,
Now don't give me that shit, he'd

2068
02:38:31.760 --> 02:38:35.239
say in his soft spoken mumble whisper. That's part of a business, and

2069
02:38:35.360 --> 02:38:39.799
I was glad I could do it
for you. Terry was the king of

2070
02:38:39.920 --> 02:38:43.840
storytellers, and I always listened closely
for bits of information I could use.

2071
02:38:43.280 --> 02:38:48.120
You had to listen closely when the
Funker talked. He spoke so damn softly.

2072
02:38:48.719 --> 02:38:52.200
One time on a propeller plane flight, I sat across the aisle when

2073
02:38:52.239 --> 02:38:54.520
he talked. While he talked for
two hours, I nodded and laughed the

2074
02:38:54.600 --> 02:38:58.840
whole time, not wanting to tell
the Funker that I couldn't hear a word

2075
02:38:58.879 --> 02:39:03.280
he said. This evening in Philadelphia, he had offered some especially prophetic advice,

2076
02:39:05.159 --> 02:39:09.440
Cactus. Just remember every match is
a great match until it begins.

2077
02:39:11.159 --> 02:39:15.680
Wow. The fans were, as
in most cases, at the ECW Arena,

2078
02:39:15.760 --> 02:39:18.680
extremely excited about the evening show.
Now I use the term quote arena

2079
02:39:20.200 --> 02:39:24.680
unquote lightly, as it more closely
resembled a larger auction barn in actuality.

2080
02:39:24.719 --> 02:39:28.920
When I started with ECW, we
often had to clear the building in time

2081
02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:33.639
from midnight bingo. I could most
accurately describe the ambiance as a rocky horror

2082
02:39:33.719 --> 02:39:39.319
picture show for wrestling. There was
a dollar store next door to the arena,

2083
02:39:39.399 --> 02:39:43.639
and they did a brisk pre show
business on pots and pans and various

2084
02:39:43.719 --> 02:39:46.600
other culinary utensils. That's where the
wrestler got it from. That's awesome,

2085
02:39:48.319 --> 02:39:50.959
you know, That's where they must
have gotten that shit from. The fans

2086
02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:54.120
would then bring their purchases to the
arena, where they would generously hand them

2087
02:39:54.159 --> 02:39:58.879
to their favorite wrestlers. I became
so used to swinging these cheap aluminum objects

2088
02:39:58.079 --> 02:40:01.120
that one time I grabbed won it
and was in mid swing by the time

2089
02:40:01.120 --> 02:40:07.479
I realized I had a cast iron
skillet in my possession. Approximately two weeks

2090
02:40:07.559 --> 02:40:09.559
later, the recipient of the skillet
blow, the Sandman, was able to

2091
02:40:09.600 --> 02:40:15.159
wrestle again. I am often asked
what the strangest foreign object I ever used?

2092
02:40:15.319 --> 02:40:18.239
Was no doubt about it. The
two man kayak that was that was

2093
02:40:18.280 --> 02:40:22.959
once handed to me at the arena
tops the list, or maybe the Leonard

2094
02:40:22.040 --> 02:40:26.440
Cohen album I use On Mikey Whipwreck, Terry and I were scheduled to be

2095
02:40:26.559 --> 02:40:31.159
on last Like most ECW shows,
we would have to try to follow a

2096
02:40:31.280 --> 02:40:35.959
lot of strange and exciting action.
By the time we got out there,

2097
02:40:35.079 --> 02:40:39.840
we knew the fans would have seen
a variety of chair shots, panshots,

2098
02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:45.159
stop sign shots, and in crowd
brawling, out of out of the ring

2099
02:40:45.360 --> 02:40:48.600
dives and obscenity laced ring interviews.
It wouldn't be easy, and in retrospect

2100
02:40:48.639 --> 02:40:54.000
main eventing and ECW never was.
Keeping in mind Funk's theory, every match

2101
02:40:54.159 --> 02:40:58.799
is a great match until it begins. I grabbed the mic Terry. I

2102
02:40:58.920 --> 02:41:03.479
called them my cactus warble. It's
gonna hurt me to kick your asshole over

2103
02:41:03.520 --> 02:41:07.040
the ECW arena, but not as
bad as it's gonna hurt you. I

2104
02:41:07.159 --> 02:41:11.360
handed Terry the mike. He smiled
that lovable, old old uncle Terry smile

2105
02:41:11.440 --> 02:41:16.959
and said, that's what I've always
loved about your cactus You've always been a

2106
02:41:16.079 --> 02:41:20.000
dreamer. Terry and I then shook
hands and tore into each other. As

2107
02:41:20.040 --> 02:41:24.600
two veteran hardcore warriors, the Funker
and I didn't have to rely on cheap,

2108
02:41:26.040 --> 02:41:28.239
violent stunts to get a pop out
of the crowd. We knew how

2109
02:41:28.319 --> 02:41:31.000
to work. No, we didn't
have to rely on it, but we

2110
02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:35.520
did well. We did anyway,
giving the crowd the same variety of chair

2111
02:41:35.600 --> 02:41:39.680
shots, panshots, stop signed shots, and out of the ring brawling that

2112
02:41:39.760 --> 02:41:43.399
they had already seen for the past
three hours. We did throw in one

2113
02:41:43.440 --> 02:41:48.159
atted bonus, however, it was
actually a combination of two moves we discussed

2114
02:41:48.200 --> 02:41:52.440
earlier, but paired together for maximum
audience enjoyment. A hangman, A hangman

2115
02:41:52.559 --> 02:41:56.680
complimented by a busted eyebrow. Terry
threw me into the ropes and I caught

2116
02:41:56.760 --> 02:42:01.360
my head and neck in perfect textbook
form, even if I doubt the existence

2117
02:42:01.399 --> 02:42:05.719
of such a textbook. My legs
were kicking, but my head was in

2118
02:42:05.799 --> 02:42:09.600
perfect position. I looked up with
my right eye and saw Terry throwing that

2119
02:42:09.719 --> 02:42:15.440
big left bad His fist went off
like a rifle against my eyebrow bone.

2120
02:42:15.479 --> 02:42:18.719
The blow helped knock me out of
the ropes, and I lay on the

2121
02:42:18.840 --> 02:42:24.799
cold concrete floor. No protective mats
in the acw relishing that rare feeling of

2122
02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:33.000
pain and satisfaction. That's correct,
the mcfoley story, pain and satisfaction.

2123
02:42:35.440 --> 02:42:41.479
My life is a wrestling fan.
I was in Mexico, off the grid.

2124
02:42:43.120 --> 02:42:46.399
There work if they work in you
and you and you they're working with

2125
02:42:46.959 --> 02:42:48.319
He's a worker. He's a worker, worker, that's all he is.

2126
02:42:52.600 --> 02:43:03.879
It's fake. What's going on here, over, Jenny, fucking thing sucks

2127
02:43:07.639 --> 02:43:26.639
doing live, no doubt, no
doubt, No one to thre wrestling fans

2128
02:43:26.399 --> 02:43:41.840
treat the game you No, I
went back, I went back. No

2129
02:43:43.639 --> 02:44:00.319
nothing that being. It's over,
Jenny, it's over. I hate a

2130
02:44:00.399 --> 02:44:07.280
lot doing live. No, you're
getting that ass, Larry, pretense,

2131
02:44:07.399 --> 02:44:16.000
petents, potts, pots for tase. You are, say you're getting that

2132
02:44:16.120 --> 02:44:20.879
ass, Larry. You're out here
fighting. You are a fucking anti right.

2133
02:44:24.440 --> 02:44:31.159
I'm about to come in a hurry, no doubt, one, two,

2134
02:44:31.879 --> 02:44:39.440
three, fucking smooth. It's over. It's a fucking things sucks.

2135
02:44:41.399 --> 02:44:46.520
I wouldn't dance Irish in Mexico.
Off the glaring hurry. What's going on

2136
02:44:46.680 --> 02:44:58.799
here? It's what's going on here
at wrestling fans trade again, you're getting

2137
02:44:58.799 --> 02:45:09.559
that ass, Larry. We take
that motherfuckers. Ten years have lapsed and

2138
02:45:09.639 --> 02:45:16.559
you never know when it's coming.
You need to know every chamber is loaded.

2139
02:45:16.079 --> 02:45:24.040
That's right, elapsed collides with the
price. The fucking family feud theme.

2140
02:45:24.840 --> 02:45:33.479
Jesus of this bam his fist went
off like a rifle against my eyebrow

2141
02:45:33.600 --> 02:45:39.760
bone. The blowout me on the
road, Uh pain and satisfaction. We

2142
02:45:39.920 --> 02:45:45.959
have fans rocking and rolling right when
a tag team called the Public Enemy hit

2143
02:45:46.000 --> 02:45:50.360
the ring. Seeing that the pe
the phizz Ed had pooped on our party,

2144
02:45:50.479 --> 02:45:54.239
Terry and I banded together to fight
them off. After a minute,

2145
02:45:54.360 --> 02:45:58.360
they went down and Terry told me
to get him a chair. There were

2146
02:45:58.440 --> 02:46:01.399
no more within easy reach, so
I called to a fan to throw me

2147
02:46:01.920 --> 02:46:05.760
his yep. He willingly obliged,
and a chair sailed into the ring.

2148
02:46:05.920 --> 02:46:11.079
Then another flew in, then another, then another, and another and another.

2149
02:46:11.200 --> 02:46:16.280
It was literally raining chairs as the
plastic seating devices that were not plastic

2150
02:46:16.360 --> 02:46:20.159
bow were coming from all angles and
all my years, it was the damnedest

2151
02:46:20.200 --> 02:46:24.040
thing I'd ever seen. I stood
there in wonderment of the spectacle until one

2152
02:46:24.079 --> 02:46:30.200
of the chairs bounced off my head
and I realized it was time to leave.

2153
02:46:31.040 --> 02:46:33.719
In a scene that would be replayed
weekly on ECW TV for years,

2154
02:46:33.879 --> 02:46:37.479
the ring had been bombarded with over
two hundred I don't know what two hundred

2155
02:46:37.479 --> 02:46:41.959
poll two hundred chairs with the Public
Enemy literally buried innernath Let's say it more

2156
02:46:41.040 --> 02:46:46.360
like fifty chairs. When they emerged
from under the sea of hard plastic,

2157
02:46:46.719 --> 02:46:50.040
we had next month's main event already
booked. Funk and Cactus would be taking

2158
02:46:50.120 --> 02:46:54.239
on the public enema, and you
know, among the people Mick Foley might

2159
02:46:54.319 --> 02:47:00.280
have been able to consult about medical
attention for the flying errant chairs had him

2160
02:47:00.280 --> 02:47:05.399
in the head. ACW Ring is
a gentleman that Todd Gordon called the locker

2161
02:47:05.479 --> 02:47:11.159
room doctor at ECW Terry funk Ah. As he says in his book Gordon,

2162
02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:13.319
that is, Funk was one of
those veterans who had a good handle

2163
02:47:13.360 --> 02:47:16.239
on how the US healthcare system worked
and didn't work for wrestlers. I'm sure

2164
02:47:16.600 --> 02:47:20.120
one of our younger guys was sitting
with Funk complaining about a neck injury,

2165
02:47:20.120 --> 02:47:22.799
which Funk Hastuteley told him was nothing
to ignore. Compression spinal injuries are common

2166
02:47:22.799 --> 02:47:26.959
from workers getting dropped in their heads
every night, and ignoring a seemingly innocuous

2167
02:47:26.000 --> 02:47:30.120
pain could have consequences. The worker
said he didn't have insurance and it would

2168
02:47:30.159 --> 02:47:35.120
likely be too expensive to handle do
the rental car dealscent. The kid was

2169
02:47:35.200 --> 02:47:37.920
perplexed, as was I. The
worker told him he didn't need a bride

2170
02:47:37.959 --> 02:47:41.200
to the doctor. Funk smiled and
slid closer. Listen up, Grasshopper,

2171
02:47:41.280 --> 02:47:46.079
get her rental car and by the
top insurance. Funk said, might cost

2172
02:47:46.120 --> 02:47:48.159
you fifty bucks, but it's worth
it. Then leave the rental place and

2173
02:47:48.239 --> 02:47:52.479
run that sum bitch right in a
stop sign, grab your neck and wait

2174
02:47:52.559 --> 02:48:00.600
for the ambulance. A Funker.
Listen, listen, try to commit suicide

2175
02:48:00.639 --> 02:48:05.760
and see what happened. I think
we both know what happens. Then well,

2176
02:48:05.799 --> 02:48:09.000
you could be a George Bailey and
fail at it. You know that's

2177
02:48:09.040 --> 02:48:11.920
true. A guardian angel in the
form of Dor sor I don't know,

2178
02:48:13.120 --> 02:48:20.559
Jack, Jack my or it could
appear. Well, what maybe the French

2179
02:48:20.639 --> 02:48:26.040
angel, the French angel came here? Am I not? I thought I

2180
02:48:26.280 --> 02:48:31.200
was Dad. So we talked about
Terry, you know, despite really embracing

2181
02:48:31.239 --> 02:48:35.399
the raw raw spirit. Dave Sheldon, the Angel of Death, the Angel

2182
02:48:35.440 --> 02:48:43.639
of Death, David, What was
it, Dave Sheldon? Oh, Dave

2183
02:48:43.719 --> 02:48:48.239
Sheldon Goldberg. Oh that's tremendous.
Oh my god, the Angel of Death.

2184
02:48:48.280 --> 02:48:50.559
Why don't we make that joke during
the end of the cinemat episode.

2185
02:48:54.079 --> 02:48:58.879
So we're sitting there waiting for us. Oh, Jesus ready disc twenty five

2186
02:48:58.000 --> 02:49:01.879
boss, because as we said,
Terry Funk is embracing the raw, raw

2187
02:49:03.040 --> 02:49:07.399
rebel spirit of ECW and promos and
such. He also kind of went to

2188
02:49:07.520 --> 02:49:13.959
WCW for months and months during the
homely I got number twenty five, go

2189
02:49:15.000 --> 02:49:24.559
over to A one thirty nine fifty
one, thirty nine fifty one. All

2190
02:49:24.639 --> 02:49:28.000
right, So another that's cute up. What we're going to be watching is

2191
02:49:28.079 --> 02:49:35.600
Terry Funk's return to ECW. Oh
after leaving for WCW, And the only

2192
02:49:35.680 --> 02:49:39.920
thing that was bigger than Terry Funk
and ECW was him returning. His returns

2193
02:49:39.959 --> 02:49:43.040
to ECW were always so well received. I think the fans kind of went

2194
02:49:43.079 --> 02:49:45.680
through a period of, oh,
well, you know, we had the

2195
02:49:45.719 --> 02:49:48.280
Funker while we had him, and
of course, you know, if one

2196
02:49:48.319 --> 02:49:50.360
of the big two comes calling,
we expect to lose him. Like uniquely,

2197
02:49:50.440 --> 02:49:54.760
they did not hold it against Terry
Funk when he would leave and come

2198
02:49:54.799 --> 02:49:58.840
back from WWW to WWF, But
when he came back, it was always

2199
02:49:58.200 --> 02:50:03.120
a while to say, why was
he Why was he forgiven? I don't

2200
02:50:03.120 --> 02:50:07.360
know, why was he never criticized? I don't know. They're probably because

2201
02:50:07.920 --> 02:50:11.520
ECW didn't make him, So who
are you selling out? He came here

2202
02:50:11.559 --> 02:50:16.680
and made ECW. Can't you know
you can't sell out? You have to

2203
02:50:16.239 --> 02:50:20.040
If you're selling out, that means
the company that made you, you're running

2204
02:50:20.159 --> 02:50:22.920
away with the bag. Whereas no
one can say ECW made Terry Funk.

2205
02:50:22.959 --> 02:50:26.000
I feel like that was part of
it. Plus he had a unique respect.

2206
02:50:26.040 --> 02:50:28.719
I mean the crowd. For all
of the criticisms you can levy at

2207
02:50:28.719 --> 02:50:35.239
the bloodthirsty ECW crowd, they did
understand heritage. They did understand legends who

2208
02:50:35.319 --> 02:50:39.479
worked extra hard to stay relevant in
the current style, and they saw in

2209
02:50:39.600 --> 02:50:43.000
Terry Funk what we see in Terry
Funk, which is the greatest school.

2210
02:50:43.959 --> 02:50:46.360
So I think that had a lot
to do with it as well. So

2211
02:50:46.479 --> 02:50:50.040
after we went ninety four for a
while we talked about how he worked through

2212
02:50:50.040 --> 02:50:52.399
the war games and things like that
through the fall of nineteen ninety four.

2213
02:50:52.479 --> 02:50:56.360
Terry Funk made his return to the
ECW Arena on February twenty fifth of nineteen

2214
02:50:56.440 --> 02:51:01.440
and ninety five. And it's also
something that involves one Cactus Jack mcfoley boy

2215
02:51:01.559 --> 02:51:05.120
still very much there as well.
So if you're ready, we'll hit play

2216
02:51:05.559 --> 02:51:15.520
Yeah, three two one, play, so as Cactus jackers is the Sandon

2217
02:51:20.920 --> 02:51:26.600
in love red white and blue bead
Hey, why don't red with jose at

2218
02:51:28.399 --> 02:51:33.319
up to see? Did not take
those from weren't those lex lugers? What

2219
02:51:33.520 --> 02:51:37.319
was that? Weren't those lex lugers
pants? Very much? So? Yes,

2220
02:51:39.000 --> 02:51:41.520
you see, Sandman is getting beat
up against a box that has like

2221
02:51:41.559 --> 02:51:46.680
a cover and almost like an edicians
reveal box, Cactus Jack pushes a Sandman

2222
02:51:46.760 --> 02:51:52.600
behind the black curtain that's covering the
box. It is what is what I

2223
02:51:52.840 --> 02:51:56.000
think is gonna happen? Gonna happen? Oh my god? What the fuck

2224
02:51:56.120 --> 02:52:00.520
is who we think is? The
Sandman emerges with still the black cloak over

2225
02:52:00.559 --> 02:52:03.840
his head, but we can still
see the red, whiteness and bold pants.

2226
02:52:03.600 --> 02:52:07.680
Yeah, so despite having the blanket
or the black curtains still over his

2227
02:52:07.799 --> 02:52:09.520
head and standing in the wudn't get
a punched by Cactus Jack's head? But

2228
02:52:09.600 --> 02:52:18.719
didn't? Didn't we leave them as
friends? What my god? They aren't

2229
02:52:18.760 --> 02:52:24.600
they friends? When all of a
sudden, where are the fighting darks?

2230
02:52:24.680 --> 02:52:28.000
Jack pulls back the door and it's
practice. It's Terry found wearing the same

2231
02:52:28.200 --> 02:52:31.639
red, white and blue pants that
set him on the door. I fucking

2232
02:52:33.760 --> 02:52:37.799
it's something a ship caps standing on
the one there be sad to see the

2233
02:52:37.879 --> 02:52:41.479
fun we gave. I don't understand
why are they fighting? Where do they

2234
02:52:41.520 --> 02:52:54.040
get it? They've heard exchanging punches
with Cacus. I still don't understand why

2235
02:52:54.120 --> 02:53:05.319
are they fighting? God's wing?
But but he gets around, we'll explain

2236
02:53:05.360 --> 02:53:13.760
a little. But because they loved
they were together, they were tag team.

2237
02:53:16.159 --> 02:53:20.280
So I don't understand. Yeah,
we didn't cover every single beat.

2238
02:53:20.879 --> 02:53:24.000
All right, it's funk on loads
for the series of jabs. And here

2239
02:53:24.040 --> 02:53:26.000
comes Sandman in the sand pants,
now a Singapore caning cactus. Jeff,

2240
02:53:30.920 --> 02:53:35.920
Jesus Christ, I guess you could
call that a DQ and something. I

2241
02:53:35.959 --> 02:53:39.600
guess so that sounds like a d
Q to me. There's no ref Well,

2242
02:53:39.959 --> 02:53:43.520
Jesus, what the fuck is that
guy? Well, that's mikey Ripreck,

2243
02:53:46.280 --> 02:53:48.399
who was kind of cast. Is
this Jack's hardcore understudy? And just

2244
02:53:48.520 --> 02:53:52.360
like this, you know, scrappy
JABBRONI I mean he looks like he's wearing

2245
02:53:54.840 --> 02:54:05.360
a mix of like a a Bill
Cosby sweater and scrubs nurse scrubs. Oh

2246
02:54:05.440 --> 02:54:09.200
and now cactus pining funk over the
heads. The fuck are just standing there

2247
02:54:09.239 --> 02:54:15.639
taking it screaming a cactus. He
says, come on again, come on,

2248
02:54:15.920 --> 02:54:20.000
cactus, done again, son of
a bitch. She snapped it away

2249
02:54:20.040 --> 02:54:22.120
from cactus and now he's oh no, he's hauling off on cactus is done

2250
02:54:22.319 --> 02:54:31.319
pace of ship. Motherfucker. No, I want to come home. She

2251
02:54:31.559 --> 02:54:35.120
was a Sands manager at the time. I think she was real that sure

2252
02:54:35.159 --> 02:54:41.440
about this body stuff. Ain't got
that, Mark Harry Security Gain went there

2253
02:54:41.440 --> 02:54:46.120
the littly claim the siting on the
terror phone. You've got that, said

2254
02:54:46.159 --> 02:54:52.319
of the snap Acust's phone. Oh, Terry Diggs, the microphone and the

2255
02:54:52.360 --> 02:55:01.440
phone head. But boom good the
fuck ston hits the morning in the jumpsuit.

2256
02:55:01.920 --> 02:55:03.479
What if it's not Chuck Austin or
Marty Joey would put it in the

2257
02:55:03.559 --> 02:55:11.040
fucking gun good grad Steve Austin for
that movie I know? Is it the

2258
02:55:11.079 --> 02:55:18.000
cousin of Steve Austin, Chad Austin? Maybe I took him from or to

2259
02:55:18.040 --> 02:55:22.239
be laying Austin ruling the worst here
to be identically outfitted Terry Funk and Samuel

2260
02:55:22.879 --> 02:55:26.200
and Terry Funk has it out for
a cactus track to see the least.

2261
02:55:28.200 --> 02:55:30.680
I feel like we're missing I don't
know, like a Fourth of July party

2262
02:55:31.440 --> 02:55:35.559
and asking plans. Is this what
Funk was wearing when he setting a shed

2263
02:55:35.600 --> 02:55:39.479
of blaze because he couldn't find fairy
out? And here's Tommy Dreamer, And

2264
02:55:39.600 --> 02:55:45.719
now we begin the association of a
Tommy Dreaming and Terry Fake. Oh God

2265
02:55:45.879 --> 02:55:50.040
Jesus, yeah, Dreaming absolutely hollered
off on Sammy Dreamer was an aide to

2266
02:55:50.120 --> 02:55:54.440
these of every cry by taking Singapore
canes across at unclock. What a you

2267
02:55:54.479 --> 02:55:58.799
do? Times Ayana comes face to
face with this mentor Terry Funk and Terry

2268
02:55:58.879 --> 02:56:05.399
Funk Pete rushes Tommy drum right across
the rail and again Stoy's down says Funk

2269
02:56:05.520 --> 02:56:09.840
is like a day off. Now
we grew up in Yonkers taking slaps across

2270
02:56:09.879 --> 02:56:16.440
the face from with dad, but
he's unfortunate. Simon completely blind sids Tommy

2271
02:56:16.520 --> 02:56:20.399
Drew over the cane shop. So
we're setting up a cactus and Tommy versus

2272
02:56:20.479 --> 02:56:24.280
Simon and toy Funk food here that
was a legendary Knight, and yet Funk

2273
02:56:24.399 --> 02:56:31.360
the first time Funk came out of
a box. Was there an explanation while

2274
02:56:31.360 --> 02:56:48.520
the dogs was there? I don't
care about throwing in the fans. Oh

2275
02:56:48.600 --> 02:56:52.680
he's waving people on to throw things. Oh my god, why did I

2276
02:56:52.799 --> 02:57:01.840
do that? Why does he tap
the truth? It can even sty from

2277
02:57:01.920 --> 02:57:05.719
back. He's tears as he takes
just a day for the horful fence because

2278
02:57:05.760 --> 02:57:09.200
they take an umbrage with them,
and that would be part of the reason

2279
02:57:09.280 --> 02:57:16.200
that it came back. Hen tacked
the Jack because Tack the check fop he

2280
02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:20.360
was actually a real respectable pro wrestler. That's the nic to focus out to

2281
02:57:20.440 --> 02:57:26.000
prove that that's this. You think, good king, It hatou to be

2282
02:57:26.040 --> 02:57:33.120
the candid you're taking serious international effecting
the slow chair, Oh great things help

2283
02:57:33.200 --> 02:57:39.319
me? Oh God, no,
man I the reader would not they see

2284
02:57:39.360 --> 02:57:46.680
the day when Jack is called for
health, Crack his Jack. He kind

2285
02:57:46.680 --> 02:57:54.520
of dropped it up and he's not
the slad job. Jesus were great Jack

2286
02:57:54.639 --> 02:57:58.159
and Cracked and Jack were directly school
together. They were creat by God.

2287
02:57:58.360 --> 02:58:03.680
Get out a get nag at anythimes, but can't get some flat can see

2288
02:58:03.760 --> 02:58:07.399
school the same. They just falling
sign for the Corpse of Cactus JACKI s

2289
02:58:07.559 --> 02:58:11.239
BS dipsided Loach through venison st the
name the stuffing Dad championship, Big Dad

2290
02:58:11.520 --> 02:58:16.639
Grannis tens and figure trethe chaz a
for that off like gang me in cans.

2291
02:58:18.719 --> 02:58:24.040
She's a dast for life for her. He came with the steel check

2292
02:58:24.440 --> 02:58:28.879
you can I fuck give a fair
man here in the caves get give you

2293
02:58:30.040 --> 02:58:33.440
a fu the bloody cact this jacket. I think he went ahead and bast

2294
02:58:35.559 --> 02:58:41.639
had him and any I want to
hate a woman out pride, grandchick,

2295
02:58:41.760 --> 02:58:46.760
I've been out of the ball hard
figure joint boards with me and wig and

2296
02:58:46.879 --> 02:58:52.440
rage the crop cracking all levels of
them, more than the Northern franchise used

2297
02:58:52.440 --> 02:58:56.639
to gratify the forces with her head
cat to g a w sha, this

2298
02:58:56.799 --> 02:59:01.040
is trust what stuff like the cave. Also those little man's dark and data

2299
02:59:01.159 --> 02:59:05.079
take the thrift, come off and
in treating the treating you say all joined

2300
02:59:05.120 --> 02:59:09.040
fourthun the negotiation, coming along with
me. They would surely eclip the legend

2301
02:59:09.120 --> 02:59:13.440
of the boar orset woman. I
sweating any choice I hate that would happened.

2302
02:59:15.079 --> 02:59:18.319
Women would have the most powerful grew
up in the rest flag ads three

2303
02:59:20.440 --> 02:59:26.639
kags is goot a what a frad
Just get a get a jack kats jack

2304
02:59:26.120 --> 02:59:33.520
chares dig legs take a three Kac
this is doing to be the fuck officer

2305
02:59:33.680 --> 02:59:37.079
Lamb, Jennifer Shovin d Let's do
it that damn it, you know,

2306
02:59:37.200 --> 02:59:41.920
the fucking gat ce Ss, the
patient, count Love, Krek can step

2307
02:59:41.959 --> 02:59:46.840
do this? Cramp sin Man and
something to end that he might stuck again.

2308
02:59:46.159 --> 02:59:52.280
I can't tag Judy, don't want
anyway, Tina help hete fighting off

2309
02:59:52.319 --> 03:00:11.840
the sad man carry fuck who Joey
he named Joey Styles. Indeed, so

2310
03:00:13.079 --> 03:00:16.120
there it is Funker's back. And
you had a question that I didn't answer

2311
03:00:16.200 --> 03:00:20.479
there about the box, right,
Yeah, what the fuck was that doing

2312
03:00:20.559 --> 03:00:24.079
there? Let's see what we can
learn, oh boy, because this is

2313
03:00:24.120 --> 03:00:28.360
one of the more legendary moments in
ECW. Here when Funk comes out of

2314
03:00:28.399 --> 03:00:31.559
the box and look he does the
same exact thing with Chainsaw, Charlie and

2315
03:00:31.639 --> 03:00:35.040
an idea. I'm sure WWF convinced
themselves that they didn't steal from ECW.

2316
03:00:35.559 --> 03:00:39.920
That's that's as old as as wrestling. That gimmick. We just happened to

2317
03:00:39.959 --> 03:00:41.920
do it, you know, two
years after ECW did it with the same

2318
03:00:41.959 --> 03:00:46.680
guy, uh, Todd Gordon.
One of the best examples was Funk in

2319
03:00:46.719 --> 03:00:50.719
a box, a clever reveal of
Terry Funk's returned to E c W.

2320
03:00:50.920 --> 03:00:54.520
During one of Sandman's matches against Actus
Jack, Sandman had a concussion and couldn't

2321
03:00:54.520 --> 03:00:58.159
wrestle, so we needed a replacement
for him. Okay, we knew Funk

2322
03:00:58.200 --> 03:01:01.959
had to make a surprise returns.
They'll be playing he couldn't wrestle, but

2323
03:01:01.000 --> 03:01:03.840
he can go in there and do
what he did. He was doing quite

2324
03:01:03.840 --> 03:01:07.000
a bit. Yeah, we knew
Funk had to make a surprise return,

2325
03:01:07.040 --> 03:01:11.159
so be planned to bring him out
during the match somehow, ostensibly to face

2326
03:01:11.239 --> 03:01:13.520
Cactus. As Sandman's replacement. We'd
plan to have him come out of a

2327
03:01:13.600 --> 03:01:18.719
box sitting at ringside, which is
a classic wrestling ploy, so much so

2328
03:01:18.920 --> 03:01:22.360
that wrestling manager and historian Jim Cornette
famously proclaimed anything that comes out of a

2329
03:01:22.440 --> 03:01:28.159
box instantly gets over with the fans, and particular craft mac and cheese and

2330
03:01:28.360 --> 03:01:35.200
pizza sounded good to us. Gordon
writes, We'll have Sandman get thrown in

2331
03:01:35.239 --> 03:01:37.639
a big box, and when Cactus
reaches in to pull him back out,

2332
03:01:37.680 --> 03:01:39.760
he'll be pulling out Terry Funk Instead. We added a fun little swerve to

2333
03:01:39.879 --> 03:01:43.879
it. Hack, which was Sandman's
nickname and of course, the name he

2334
03:01:43.920 --> 03:01:48.280
went by in WCW would first open
the box to reveal DC Drake was one

2335
03:01:48.319 --> 03:01:52.200
of the Eastern Originals, Eastern Champions
of Wrestling Originals and quite honestly a disappointment

2336
03:01:52.239 --> 03:01:56.200
for fans who would be expecting a
worthy opponent to Cactus. Drake was dispatched

2337
03:01:56.239 --> 03:01:58.559
in minutes by the ferocious Jack.
So yeah, we missed that. Earlier

2338
03:01:58.600 --> 03:02:03.920
in the matt there was actually bassa
a first chapter to this story, okay,

2339
03:02:03.440 --> 03:02:07.040
where they went into the box for
Sandman's replacement and it was this this

2340
03:02:07.120 --> 03:02:09.920
wrestler J. C. Drake,
and the crowd just groaned like you wouldn't

2341
03:02:09.920 --> 03:02:15.879
believe. They used a similar psychology
on Raw Monday where they promoted the return

2342
03:02:15.959 --> 03:02:20.360
of a former ww champion Big Time
and Gender Mahal came out, But that

2343
03:02:20.520 --> 03:02:24.040
was just the let down to set
up the Rock coming back, and so

2344
03:02:24.079 --> 03:02:28.840
people went absolutely insane kind of knowing
that, like there's no way that they

2345
03:02:28.879 --> 03:02:33.399
would deliver this as the promise,
so it just adds even more intrigue.

2346
03:02:33.120 --> 03:02:37.200
Then after the fans were booing and
shitting on the match, Gordon wrote Sandman

2347
03:02:37.239 --> 03:02:39.879
could get thrown in the box and
Funks reveal what happened, We told Hack

2348
03:02:39.959 --> 03:02:41.200
the plan. On the night of
the show, Hack arrived at the building

2349
03:02:41.239 --> 03:02:46.000
with two sets of identical loud American
flag pants, one for him and Terry

2350
03:02:46.040 --> 03:02:48.520
Fun each to wear. He had
two red T shirts as well. Cactus

2351
03:02:48.520 --> 03:02:52.319
would reach into the box and retrieve
who we'd all think is Sandman in his

2352
03:02:52.399 --> 03:02:56.399
loud and easily recognizable sweats, though
his face would be shrouded under a blanket.

2353
03:02:56.600 --> 03:03:00.280
Cactus would continue to work with Sandman
until he pulled off the cla often

2354
03:03:00.319 --> 03:03:03.879
revealed Funk. It was the addition
of that twist the identical outfits that gave

2355
03:03:03.959 --> 03:03:07.799
us an audience explosion from what was
already a guaranteed pop. Plus the earlier

2356
03:03:07.840 --> 03:03:11.040
disappointment from the DC Drake reveal added
fuel to the combustion. But that's Hack,

2357
03:03:11.239 --> 03:03:20.360
always thinking, always working. He's
a worker, daddy. So there

2358
03:03:20.440 --> 03:03:24.399
you have it, Okay, So
yeah, now we're gonna hear Terry Funk

2359
03:03:24.440 --> 03:03:28.639
explain what you had curiosity about.
Why would he come back if when we

2360
03:03:28.760 --> 03:03:33.000
last saw him in ECW he was
allied with Nick Foley, although he did

2361
03:03:33.040 --> 03:03:35.079
wrestle each other, right, we've
seen a match between the two, but

2362
03:03:35.159 --> 03:03:37.200
then they teamed up. They were
like together as public enemy beat the crap

2363
03:03:37.280 --> 03:03:41.360
out of it, right, they
had to sort of join forces, and

2364
03:03:41.360 --> 03:03:43.799
then they got chairs rained down on
the ring. Funk's going to talk a

2365
03:03:43.840 --> 03:03:48.360
little bit here upon his return to
ECW about what this might all be about.

2366
03:03:50.159 --> 03:03:56.840
Ask you one question, do you
know? Doing you out there?

2367
03:03:58.040 --> 03:04:05.040
No doing? That's mixed? He
that's cactive Jackson. Do he have any

2368
03:04:05.200 --> 03:04:11.920
brains? How could he possibly have
any brains when his mother's a fool and

2369
03:04:13.079 --> 03:04:16.520
his father is a total jerk.
He's a total jerk because he said time

2370
03:04:16.760 --> 03:04:20.600
after time and you wonder why I'm
so mad at me? Time after time

2371
03:04:20.879 --> 03:04:26.120
he has said that he wants to
emanate Terry Funk to be at Terry Funk.

2372
03:04:26.200 --> 03:04:28.360
He thinks he's going to be the
next Terry Funk. In other words,

2373
03:04:30.079 --> 03:04:33.799
I'm down to two. I'm no
longer all around. Well, he

2374
03:04:35.280 --> 03:04:43.479
is wrong because he will never amount
to anything like myself. You see how

2375
03:04:43.559 --> 03:04:48.879
he tries to emanate me is by
being a fool. He does not know

2376
03:04:50.079 --> 03:04:54.680
a wrestling hold. Want he thinks
because he lost the ear in the ring,

2377
03:04:54.799 --> 03:04:58.600
that's something important. He thinks because
he can run in the ring,

2378
03:04:58.760 --> 03:05:05.799
and some terribly obnoxious, foolish things
that don't even resemble wrestling. That he

2379
03:05:05.000 --> 03:05:11.799
is somebody. Look at his body. He's a fat pig. That's all

2380
03:05:11.920 --> 03:05:16.120
he'll ever be. Douglas, don't
you understand that you have made a tremendous

2381
03:05:16.239 --> 03:05:24.239
mistake because birds of a feather flock
together. What you're saying, Douglas,

2382
03:05:24.719 --> 03:05:30.680
You're saying that Cactus Jack is somebody. Cactus Jack is a nobody in a

2383
03:05:30.799 --> 03:05:35.239
professional wrestling world, and he comes
out here on television. Doesn't he know

2384
03:05:35.360 --> 03:05:39.200
that this is ECW. Doesn't he
know not to act like a w CW

2385
03:05:39.399 --> 03:05:50.840
wrestler or WWF wrestler by going,
well, who does this guy think he

2386
03:05:52.000 --> 03:05:56.360
is? I agree, you have
me more than trying to do each and

2387
03:05:56.600 --> 03:06:01.680
every one of you ECW fans out
there. He is a nobody, he

2388
03:06:01.840 --> 03:06:07.399
will always be on nobody. He
can never walk in my footsteps, never,

2389
03:06:09.479 --> 03:06:13.319
never well, he walked in my
footsteps, nor my brothers, nor

2390
03:06:13.520 --> 03:06:22.000
my father's, nor in hare footsteps, nor in any decent professional wrestlers footsteps.

2391
03:06:22.360 --> 03:06:26.920
The man is a mockery to this
profession. I'm telling you from my

2392
03:06:28.200 --> 03:06:31.280
heart, and you wonder why I
go in the ring and you people back

2393
03:06:31.440 --> 03:06:39.360
him don't you realize that he is
the biggest charlatan of all. Wow,

2394
03:06:39.600 --> 03:06:45.799
got enough explanation for you there.
I guess he's sick of a cactus framing

2395
03:06:45.879 --> 03:06:50.120
himself as the next Terry Funk because
that implies that Terry Funk's days are over

2396
03:06:50.879 --> 03:06:56.920
and he's not having that. And
further, it's ridiculous for Folly to assume

2397
03:06:58.040 --> 03:07:01.159
that if he can imitate just the
hardcore part of Terry Funk, that he

2398
03:07:01.239 --> 03:07:03.000
can be the second coming, because
as he talked about, he doesn't have

2399
03:07:03.079 --> 03:07:07.600
the depth of wrestling skill that Terry
Funk also has under the hood, and

2400
03:07:07.719 --> 03:07:13.360
that a charlatan, a pretender like
mcfoley doesn't even discern or isn't even able

2401
03:07:13.440 --> 03:07:18.559
to appreciate. He's kind of cutting
Rick Flair's promo for him from his book

2402
03:07:18.600 --> 03:07:22.799
on Folly before Flair wrote the book. All that stuff you know fully heard

2403
03:07:22.879 --> 03:07:28.559
in ECW and was crafted as part
of a storyline. So that's that's Funk's

2404
03:07:28.559 --> 03:07:33.959
animus. That's Funk's reason to get
fed up with mc foley and to return

2405
03:07:33.000 --> 03:07:37.000
to ECW to attack Cactus Jack.
And here Shane Douglas and McK foley.

2406
03:07:37.239 --> 03:07:41.639
Now, of course, allied respond
and again I remind you that you know

2407
03:07:41.760 --> 03:07:48.399
mc foley's true breakthrough as a promo
was on the ECW television screen. And

2408
03:07:48.440 --> 03:07:52.440
this is this is perhaps one example. HI hate your guts, Terry Funk.

2409
03:07:52.719 --> 03:07:56.000
You're a hanger on. You're everything
out his spies about this sport.

2410
03:07:56.280 --> 03:08:01.239
You're an old man. Takes time
to retire, Terry Budge, no matter

2411
03:08:01.360 --> 03:08:05.639
mistake, thinking not ago, hang
on MYSELFA gonna turn it on. We

2412
03:08:05.840 --> 03:08:11.360
create a legend of wcway it only
yourself because I'm gonna tell you a little

2413
03:08:11.360 --> 03:08:16.360
bit about history myself. And what
I like about it is that everyone's got

2414
03:08:16.360 --> 03:08:20.520
a little different interpretation of historical events. And I remember August twenty seventh.

2415
03:08:20.600 --> 03:08:24.719
I remember it like it was yesterday, no show. He didn't make it

2416
03:08:24.799 --> 03:08:26.920
to the arena. And you know
what that said to me, Derry,

2417
03:08:28.840 --> 03:08:33.840
you are a hypocritical piece and you've
gotta pay the price. You've gotta look

2418
03:08:33.879 --> 03:08:37.680
at tact as tack and you've gotta
see it yourself. I made a big

2419
03:08:37.799 --> 03:08:41.879
mistake, and Dairry Funk, I'll
still stand here and say that you are

2420
03:08:43.000 --> 03:08:46.280
my hero. And I'm not gonna
take your picture down. Why gonna take

2421
03:08:46.399 --> 03:08:52.440
you down? I'm not gonna throw
your autograph out. I'm gonna throw you

2422
03:08:52.600 --> 03:08:56.159
out. And you want to bring
up my left ear, Yes, Terry

2423
03:08:56.280 --> 03:09:00.200
Funk, I walk. This is
on my body before and I'm not sure

2424
03:09:00.280 --> 03:09:03.680
the process is out at the end
of the trail of blood, sweating,

2425
03:09:03.760 --> 03:09:11.559
fears, their wives. You know, slivery pilpful, Cory. It's your

2426
03:09:11.719 --> 03:09:26.479
Livertorry. Just the fact that I
see me and I see you. He

2427
03:09:26.680 --> 03:09:33.280
doesn't have a liver, se Douglas. Douglas wants to talk to you people

2428
03:09:33.319 --> 03:09:39.479
and tell you how wonderful that he
is. Captains Jack listens to him and

2429
03:09:39.760 --> 03:09:46.200
he feeds you full of boot boot
that is what he gives you. That's

2430
03:09:46.319 --> 03:09:52.319
right. He has never accomplished a
thing compared to me, to my family,

2431
03:09:52.920 --> 03:09:58.120
or anyone else that has any wrestling
ability. I'm gonna whip him like

2432
03:09:58.280 --> 03:10:03.719
a god damn gong. You watch
me, new people watch me. That's

2433
03:10:05.319 --> 03:10:11.840
a promise, they promise, And
I've never lied to you yet. We

2434
03:10:11.959 --> 03:10:16.280
started covering Terry Funk's CCW tenure,
remarking upon how he called it back that

2435
03:10:16.600 --> 03:10:20.239
you know nineteen seventy four, good
old boy baby face tone. Yes,

2436
03:10:20.520 --> 03:10:26.079
that's gone. We now have the
screaming, maniacal, bloodthirsty ready to commit

2437
03:10:26.159 --> 03:10:33.000
homicide. Terry Funk's DCW the nutbag. What's that? The nutbag? The

2438
03:10:33.120 --> 03:10:35.319
nutbag. That's exactly right, and
he's ready to kick you in your nut

2439
03:10:35.399 --> 03:10:39.559
bag if you step out of line. So, uh, Cactus coming back

2440
03:10:39.639 --> 03:10:43.920
with the liver comment, which is
a remark on you know, you always

2441
03:10:43.920 --> 03:10:46.840
got to shoot a little bit on
how Terry liked to imbibe. Okay,

2442
03:10:46.239 --> 03:10:52.120
all right, and and just yeah, that's that's the battle lines being drawn

2443
03:10:52.159 --> 03:10:54.959
there upon Funk's return. And so
it would come to March eighteenth, nineteen

2444
03:10:56.040 --> 03:11:00.799
ninety five in the ECW Arena boss
A Ready Disc twenty six, Please GUSC

2445
03:11:01.239 --> 03:11:05.559
twenty six as Terry Funk and the
Sandman team up to take on Cactus Jack

2446
03:11:05.600 --> 03:11:09.639
and Shane Douglas or CCW. W'd
run about every three weeks at the arena,

2447
03:11:09.760 --> 03:11:13.159
so you'd see an angle shot like
the one we just saw with Funk's

2448
03:11:13.200 --> 03:11:16.479
return, and then you knew the
next time you came to the arena you'd

2449
03:11:16.520 --> 03:11:20.799
get to see the match, and
then it would progress and something else would

2450
03:11:20.799 --> 03:11:24.879
be shot typically that would get you
to come to the next one. There

2451
03:11:24.959 --> 03:11:28.399
was reference made in that mcfoley promo
to August nineteen ninety four, Did you

2452
03:11:28.440 --> 03:11:31.520
hear that? Yes, what that
was a reference to was the knight that

2453
03:11:31.559 --> 03:11:33.799
Shane Douglas won the NWA title tournament
and then shading the belt threw it on

2454
03:11:33.840 --> 03:11:39.079
the ground and renamed Eastern Championship Wrestling
Extreme Championship Wrestling. And on that night,

2455
03:11:39.959 --> 03:11:43.920
what they're making reference to is Terry
Funk was supposed to be part of

2456
03:11:43.959 --> 03:11:48.040
the tournament, but no showed the
event Ooh, it's something I haven't really

2457
03:11:48.040 --> 03:11:50.000
been able to find a lot of
collateral about. It's not something that Funk

2458
03:11:50.079 --> 03:11:54.159
really mentions. Funk makes kind of
a sympathetic remark about Dennis Corluso, who

2459
03:11:54.280 --> 03:11:58.600
was on the NWA side of that
controversy, and somebody who worked for and

2460
03:11:58.360 --> 03:12:03.280
you know, didn't ascessarily dislike you
know, who was associated and aligned with

2461
03:12:03.399 --> 03:12:05.319
Jim Cornett, who was somebody of
course that Funk was still working for for

2462
03:12:05.360 --> 03:12:09.040
Smoking Mountain throughout nineteen eighty four as
well. So it probably was kind of

2463
03:12:09.079 --> 03:12:13.040
a delicate political matter for him,
and he probably was very strategic and not

2464
03:12:13.120 --> 03:12:16.920
showing up to that tournament. But
that didn't stop Shane Douglas and Cactus Jack

2465
03:12:16.000 --> 03:12:22.000
from citing that is a bit of
cowardice that you know, chipped away at

2466
03:12:22.040 --> 03:12:26.639
the deep respect that they had for
the Funker. So if you can go

2467
03:12:26.680 --> 03:12:33.799
over to fifty six seventeen Boss fifty
six seventeen, we'll see how Cactus Jack

2468
03:12:33.840 --> 03:12:37.920
and Terry Funk deliver off those promos
in that hot angle and just let's just

2469
03:12:37.920 --> 03:12:41.280
say, let's just see how much
heat, all right, they can add

2470
03:12:41.280 --> 03:12:46.200
to this thing. So we're ready
there, yep, we'll hit playing three

2471
03:12:46.319 --> 03:12:52.159
two one, play what maybe on
the surface what may appear on the surface

2472
03:12:52.239 --> 03:12:58.959
of the whistlings odd couple, Cactus
Jack hit the franchise chain Douglas. They're

2473
03:12:58.040 --> 03:13:03.639
not waiting for the all things already
in the ring or singing that and Terry

2474
03:13:03.639 --> 03:13:11.719
Funk and round the way. We
have multiple cameras now, so we're back

2475
03:13:11.760 --> 03:13:16.879
in the arena. They're wearing the
pants again that hey, it might as

2476
03:13:16.879 --> 03:13:24.600
well. Jesus did make a very
satisfying crack over the head, did that

2477
03:13:24.680 --> 03:13:31.239
Singapore cane And that was you know, remember that incident in Singapore where that

2478
03:13:31.479 --> 03:13:35.280
I think it was an American right
who got Yeah, Yo, Shane was

2479
03:13:35.319 --> 03:13:39.000
swinging so recklessly with the cane that
he accidentally turned around and waffled cacked us

2480
03:13:39.040 --> 03:13:41.719
his own Parker in the head,
and I saw that he's pissed. Act

2481
03:13:41.760 --> 03:13:45.360
just taking the umbridge. There's a
shoving match, there's finger pointing, there's

2482
03:13:45.360 --> 03:13:52.280
shouting. Now we comed up this
and foward. I think still being asked

2483
03:13:52.319 --> 03:13:56.920
to accept red, yellow and blue
robes. Jesus steel chair flying and I

2484
03:13:56.920 --> 03:14:01.520
don't know if Terry fun Freud or
some fan like my mom threw it.

2485
03:14:01.559 --> 03:14:05.680
Actually she was there. Right,
this is the era where Tony Khan would

2486
03:14:05.680 --> 03:14:11.799
go to the ecw Agrena. He's
visible on a I think it does a

2487
03:14:11.879 --> 03:14:15.319
nineteen ninety five arena show where Chris
Jericho has last ECW and Master. That's

2488
03:14:15.440 --> 03:14:18.479
no shit. Back to the part
of a way he grew up to start

2489
03:14:18.520 --> 03:14:22.000
his own wrestling company and one of
the first highlands was christ Jericho. So

2490
03:14:22.120 --> 03:14:26.120
now double teaming on our Cactus Jacks
or the Sandman and Terry oh fuck,

2491
03:14:26.159 --> 03:14:30.920
absolutely cracking and fully in the head
with a steel chair. This industry is

2492
03:14:30.920 --> 03:14:33.719
about taking chair shots to the head, right, yep, that's simple.

2493
03:14:35.479 --> 03:14:39.520
Call me, wake me up when
you're ready to take chair shots unprotected to

2494
03:14:39.559 --> 03:14:43.760
the head. Absolutely that's nineteen nineties
pro wrestling. And now Shane back in

2495
03:14:43.920 --> 03:14:48.399
going off with the cane on sand
Men in Cactus, pardon me sand Men

2496
03:14:48.479 --> 03:14:54.799
and funk Samn's standing on the floor, Douglass reaches over the rope and bunks

2497
03:14:54.879 --> 03:14:58.719
him on the head with a cane. If I was fully running clothesline,

2498
03:14:58.719 --> 03:15:01.000
now they missed it. Of course, let's let's focus on the woman's At

2499
03:15:01.079 --> 03:15:03.520
least we have more than one camerangle. Now you notice that that is true

2500
03:15:05.040 --> 03:15:07.920
now cutting to r although we would
have been better off having one camerangle for

2501
03:15:07.000 --> 03:15:11.600
that shot. That's the thing.
Eas W had so many angles, but

2502
03:15:11.639 --> 03:15:18.479
they didn't have enough camera angles.
So again cactus with the running clothesline spill

2503
03:15:18.520 --> 03:15:22.399
into the floor as well as the
sand Man, and I don't can que

2504
03:15:22.440 --> 03:15:26.040
up another one in the funkers like
you've got the memo that they missed the

2505
03:15:26.079 --> 03:15:30.639
shot because that one was captured.
They landed. They probably intended to land

2506
03:15:30.680 --> 03:15:35.360
on that table position of ringside.
I hurt. They didn't get the shots

2507
03:15:35.520 --> 03:15:41.120
the damn table. Get up?
Do it again? Hey did it again?

2508
03:15:41.159 --> 03:15:50.799
A sandman too? Here we go, so easy w to just like

2509
03:15:50.879 --> 03:15:52.399
take a chair out and sit it
down. Somewhere and something. Of course,

2510
03:15:54.479 --> 03:15:58.680
let's see what happens. It's gestures. Oh he is that is that

2511
03:16:00.159 --> 03:16:03.159
Stanny Kubrick and the ring sun.
It's good day, good aye. He

2512
03:16:03.200 --> 03:16:05.879
actually used to go us that open. Now is Terry Funk? Here comes

2513
03:16:05.959 --> 03:16:09.280
fully a little rope to the floor
in the concrete drops anilboat in the funker.

2514
03:16:13.520 --> 03:16:15.680
I see Kubrick right there in the
front row, in the beard,

2515
03:16:15.680 --> 03:16:20.239
and then he's yeah he's a fan. I think he's creating cinema verite over

2516
03:16:20.280 --> 03:16:24.719
there. I believe, I believe
he's just creating over there. So now

2517
03:16:24.799 --> 03:16:28.840
yeah, that you know, Shane
Douglass is the throwing down in the NBA

2518
03:16:28.959 --> 03:16:31.000
title It's now Extreme Championship Wrestling.
You can see the classic logo on the

2519
03:16:31.040 --> 03:16:35.360
T shirts. Oh fly gets a
start, lunges over the guardrail and front

2520
03:16:35.360 --> 03:16:41.000
flips and a sandman in the audience
while Shane Douglass takes on a bloodied Terry

2521
03:16:41.000 --> 03:16:43.959
Funk on the floor. Christ of
course Funk fed Lazier. Yeah, I

2522
03:16:45.000 --> 03:16:46.239
mean, listener, he doesn't run
the razor. You might as well not

2523
03:16:46.360 --> 03:16:50.239
even be there. Here's the East
w hat guy fan that was always the

2524
03:16:50.280 --> 03:16:52.920
front row. His name's John Ley. He would hang out with the wrestlers

2525
03:16:52.920 --> 03:16:58.959
afterwards, go to the hotel room
and see him at the days they would

2526
03:16:58.959 --> 03:17:05.879
always go to the Zarils. I'm
not saying voted back in now as the

2527
03:17:05.920 --> 03:17:09.760
Funkers, Cactus Jack and Shoe Douglas
pooling their resources on the legend double Irish

2528
03:17:09.760 --> 03:17:13.840
wading a double back elbow puts down
Terry Funk. I mean it's funny like

2529
03:17:15.079 --> 03:17:22.879
so so is is what I mean? I know they're trying to do something

2530
03:17:22.959 --> 03:17:28.399
different, but what I what I
I guess I don't still understand what this

2531
03:17:28.559 --> 03:17:33.319
is. This is not what Terry
Funk used to do, and I just

2532
03:17:33.559 --> 03:17:41.239
understand why what is more respectful for
this than other than the Big two?

2533
03:17:43.000 --> 03:17:48.600
What he Terry Funk didn't I mean, I know he did work for them,

2534
03:17:48.680 --> 03:17:52.959
as we've said, but he he
preferred these this this stuff right right?

2535
03:17:54.680 --> 03:18:01.040
Why? I think because it was
a crowd that would appreciate you taking

2536
03:18:01.760 --> 03:18:05.239
greater risks. It's just the crowd. It's just the crowd response. Then

2537
03:18:05.280 --> 03:18:09.920
that's has made him want to come
here. That's just sick. It is.

2538
03:18:11.440 --> 03:18:15.639
Yeah, it's sending a kind of
fan that actually you feel like the

2539
03:18:16.440 --> 03:18:20.280
harder you work more likely they would
be to keep coming back, whereas you

2540
03:18:20.360 --> 03:18:22.200
know, and the other corporate structures
has done belook for this W. You're

2541
03:18:22.239 --> 03:18:26.600
only allowed to work so hard even
if you wanted to, so you couldn't

2542
03:18:26.639 --> 03:18:30.319
really, you know, And that's
the business fund pull up and the instincts

2543
03:18:30.360 --> 03:18:31.600
he had that. Of course,
we've talked about this a lot there the

2544
03:18:31.639 --> 03:18:33.959
wraps funk that put him at odds
with Sam much Nick. You know,

2545
03:18:35.159 --> 03:18:37.079
I'm going to go out there and
do what it takes to lead an impression

2546
03:18:37.120 --> 03:18:41.040
on this crowd so they want to
see me again, even if that means

2547
03:18:41.079 --> 03:18:43.520
getting big time to heat, attacking
people in the chairs, saying controversial things

2548
03:18:43.520 --> 03:18:46.559
in the microphone, waving them on
to throw things in the ring, saying

2549
03:18:46.600 --> 03:18:52.000
that loads of complete guard rail and
these spirits acass and DCW was like the

2550
03:18:52.079 --> 03:18:54.280
last canvas for him to paint that
way where it was like, you know,

2551
03:18:54.719 --> 03:18:56.799
it's really in our hands to make
sure we do something tonight that leaves

2552
03:18:56.840 --> 03:19:01.600
him talking and coming back. Oh
my god, draw up the full guardrail

2553
03:19:01.639 --> 03:19:09.600
across Chane Douglas's back while he was
on all fours in the canvas. Now

2554
03:19:09.680 --> 03:19:11.239
he's he's not going to go to
w W for WW and be able to

2555
03:19:11.239 --> 03:19:16.399
throw a guardrail around. No,
I know, I guess I'm like,

2556
03:19:16.479 --> 03:19:20.600
it's just it's just like I guess
I don't understand why why you'd prefer that

2557
03:19:22.360 --> 03:19:24.639
that guy a guy, a guy
who's and I know, I know that

2558
03:19:24.760 --> 03:19:28.079
he's trying to stay relevant and I
and I can appreciate that. I think

2559
03:19:28.120 --> 03:19:35.360
he wants a guy alive something that
isn't well, you can't keep alive if

2560
03:19:35.399 --> 03:19:37.760
you keep doing this ship. You
know, I don't think he does it.

2561
03:19:37.840 --> 03:19:39.879
Literally three he was the company,
I have the option. You know,

2562
03:19:39.920 --> 03:19:43.440
he's very much like for the boys, Like I can see Funk Lugging's

2563
03:19:43.440 --> 03:19:46.479
idea of the company where a bunch
of guys could make money that the jig

2564
03:19:46.520 --> 03:19:52.399
t would never hided with, like
said, man loved this guy. Yeah,

2565
03:19:52.399 --> 03:20:00.600
I'm never Yeah, chairs getting thrown
all over the place. Funk is

2566
03:20:00.639 --> 03:20:03.840
now put the guardrail in the ring
and he's gonna crops Douglas on it in

2567
03:20:03.959 --> 03:20:09.319
the ring. Say then close lines
him off a heart attack. But instead

2568
03:20:09.319 --> 03:20:11.719
of if you want, if you
want to call her anvil holding him up,

2569
03:20:11.760 --> 03:20:20.799
it's the steel guardrail. There's a
woman, Jim the guardrail Nightheart on

2570
03:20:22.440 --> 03:20:26.399
Doglas is leg like you's do in
the MIDSLF Coliser with Joy all up with

2571
03:20:26.440 --> 03:20:35.600
the steel chair. Mhm you mean
just carnage. Oh yeah, just total

2572
03:20:35.680 --> 03:20:48.120
dis away man felt the weights.
I wonder when I wonder what Funk said.

2573
03:20:50.120 --> 03:20:54.600
You know, I'm always curious about
you know, you can what you

2574
03:20:54.600 --> 03:20:58.719
can usually tell, you know guys, you know, wrestler's styles or whatever.

2575
03:21:00.680 --> 03:21:05.079
And I'm just wondering what where Terry
Funk said, you know what I

2576
03:21:05.239 --> 03:21:11.280
want? I want tights that have
a that have black Superman trunks but then

2577
03:21:11.600 --> 03:21:16.280
stripes on the side. Those were
uniquely his. I can't think of I

2578
03:21:16.399 --> 03:21:20.120
know, I know, it's just
such a but like I mean, I

2579
03:21:20.159 --> 03:21:24.239
guess he's probably what like get the
at like Target or something, looking at

2580
03:21:24.319 --> 03:21:26.479
leggings. He's like, oh,
hey, look at this ship. I'll

2581
03:21:26.520 --> 03:21:30.520
go ahead and something. I'll go
ahead and get this and get over.

2582
03:21:31.920 --> 03:21:35.319
He got him over. I remember
when Chris Candida would wear him. I'd

2583
03:21:35.360 --> 03:21:37.000
be like, you know, he
was going for Terry Funk, Like,

2584
03:21:37.399 --> 03:21:41.440
yeah, like a mini Terry Funk. That was his son. That's all

2585
03:21:41.479 --> 03:21:43.520
you needed to do to evoke Funk
was wear those pantscause no one else really

2586
03:21:43.559 --> 03:21:48.920
did that's good question. Those are
little things that only a journey like this.

2587
03:21:48.680 --> 03:21:52.159
Oh yeah, if you're obsessed with
then no one would ever take time

2588
03:21:52.440 --> 03:21:54.600
with Terry Funk when he was making
himself available for interviews to ask him,

2589
03:21:54.760 --> 03:21:58.920
right o they I mean because like
you know, you see him, we've

2590
03:21:58.920 --> 03:22:01.959
seen him wear all sorts of ship. But it's such a peculiar it's such

2591
03:22:03.000 --> 03:22:07.680
a I'm not knocking it either.
That's very unique. It's a very unique

2592
03:22:07.799 --> 03:22:13.520
choice. And I can totally see
as you're getting older, the the the

2593
03:22:13.680 --> 03:22:16.680
desire to wear you cover up your
legs and wear something, you know,

2594
03:22:16.799 --> 03:22:22.120
some longer trunks and longer tights and
stuff. It's just this particular design.

2595
03:22:22.200 --> 03:22:26.719
Like other people who have longer tights
of you know, very you know,

2596
03:22:26.840 --> 03:22:28.840
their own custom made images. But
this is something I could, you know,

2597
03:22:30.559 --> 03:22:37.200
I could buy a goodwill Oh all
right, Terry Funk Apperdidi team cooler

2598
03:22:37.280 --> 03:22:41.799
on the floor. That a toolbox
from what walked up the eise like he's

2599
03:22:41.840 --> 03:22:45.360
going to hit sand in with it
and the whole thing dumps on his head

2600
03:22:45.360 --> 03:22:50.799
like Daniel Stern and he's standing there
doing the funk like wo woozy cell get

2601
03:22:50.840 --> 03:22:58.559
this cop like pushing wrenches around the
fuck these these fucking pieces of ship.

2602
03:22:58.680 --> 03:23:01.719
These fakers know there's tools all over
the ECW arena, but this is taking

2603
03:23:01.760 --> 03:23:07.239
it too far. The stops like
come home? Can I go home?

2604
03:23:07.280 --> 03:23:11.680
Please? Can these guys go home? Is the question? Yeah, No,

2605
03:23:11.760 --> 03:23:13.680
there's a bit more to accomplish this
Sandman, mind. I listen it

2606
03:23:13.760 --> 03:23:18.120
to the backsuplex on the concrete.
Yeah, I think I think Samon might

2607
03:23:18.120 --> 03:23:20.760
be a little gassed. Too many
cigarettes, too much beer. Salmon,

2608
03:23:20.840 --> 03:23:30.040
of course, dressed like he's taking
his kids to the fair after you having

2609
03:23:30.159 --> 03:23:35.040
some stuff. Yeah, I get
somehow some fucking funnel cake and yeah,

2610
03:23:35.120 --> 03:23:39.440
and some schnaps at ten am,
right right morning, a morning, a

2611
03:23:39.559 --> 03:23:45.360
morning schnapps and then take the kids
to the fair schnop mayor Oh, there's

2612
03:23:45.360 --> 03:23:46.120
the Kane Dewey sign there it is. I don't know if that. That's

2613
03:23:46.159 --> 03:23:48.920
probably like the second or third one, because it had already been the reference

2614
03:23:48.959 --> 03:23:52.879
to Yeah, and that was a
big thing. Nick Foleys his promos and

2615
03:23:52.920 --> 03:23:56.000
you're turning on the audience would say
like, you know, I come here

2616
03:23:56.040 --> 03:23:58.920
and do these things to myself for
you, and you reciprocate by saying wouldn't

2617
03:23:58.920 --> 03:24:03.239
we funny if someone came to might
get young son, I said, it's

2618
03:24:03.600 --> 03:24:07.440
wonderful promo. That's basically transcribed in
his first book, you know, explaining

2619
03:24:07.479 --> 03:24:11.840
that as the basis to go into
this hole, like I'm gonna deprive you

2620
03:24:11.959 --> 03:24:16.639
of the violence you thirst for.
Heel for someone. So he d dropped

2621
03:24:16.639 --> 03:24:18.879
the chair on Sandman's face and Sandman
one ups him by a top ve killotine.

2622
03:24:18.959 --> 03:24:22.680
With the chair on Cactus's face,
we come to the arena to put

2623
03:24:22.799 --> 03:24:26.440
chairs on our faces and hope for
the bus. Right. SHOT's it?

2624
03:24:26.920 --> 03:24:30.280
You know, that's all you can
do? Well, Douglas extensibly after brawling

2625
03:24:30.319 --> 03:24:33.239
with Terry funk In, the Batch
comes a limping down the aisle and makes

2626
03:24:33.280 --> 03:24:37.719
the last second say the Sandman,
how to Cactus dead to rights? Oh,

2627
03:24:37.920 --> 03:24:41.879
Douglas, crown sand least chair shots
Man. They held up a little

2628
03:24:41.920 --> 03:24:45.280
bit. They would start swinging a
lot harder in a couple of years,

2629
03:24:45.360 --> 03:24:52.760
but it's hard to watch help the
sort of cascatto dive leveling Sandman on the

2630
03:24:52.799 --> 03:24:58.639
outside. So many cops. Phillip
D's like, you're not gonna fill the

2631
03:24:58.719 --> 03:25:01.639
ring with a the projectile chairs again, Okay, it's not happening. Jesus,

2632
03:25:03.680 --> 03:25:07.520
it's the kid, by the way, Michael Fay, Oh my god,

2633
03:25:09.520 --> 03:25:11.920
Terry funk emerges from the locker room
with a flaming branding iron, christ

2634
03:25:13.639 --> 03:25:16.799
in the fucking Oh my god,
someone's getting here for the fire that he

2635
03:25:16.840 --> 03:25:20.879
hits him with the fucking metal.
Yeah, he's got fully out in the

2636
03:25:20.920 --> 03:25:22.719
middle of the ring. He peels
off some of his shirt and he brings

2637
03:25:22.760 --> 03:25:26.799
the flame to Foley's chest, fully
squirming. He's being burned. In the

2638
03:25:26.840 --> 03:25:35.079
arena, there's Joey. Oh,
the flaming branding iron brought down of the

2639
03:25:35.079 --> 03:25:39.000
canvas in the tinder box that is
this piece of ship building by the way.

2640
03:25:39.440 --> 03:25:41.760
Yeah, the cops are standing there
looking at a live flame in the

2641
03:25:41.840 --> 03:25:48.159
room. Not on the fucking mister
a big time. I miss it by

2642
03:25:48.520 --> 03:25:50.879
but you're gonna act like he got
it on. I understand. I'm try

2643
03:25:50.920 --> 03:25:52.639
to pile drive mixed head onto the
flaming branding iron. Cover one, two

2644
03:25:52.840 --> 03:25:56.840
three and Terry Funk Pin's Cactus Jack. I wonder what Foley's wife thought of

2645
03:25:56.879 --> 03:26:01.680
this one. Shouldn't bring the kids
to this one. She thought it was

2646
03:26:01.680 --> 03:26:07.879
infoida. Yeah, Kane Dewey So
despite losing Shane Douglas still hauling off on

2647
03:26:07.920 --> 03:26:11.120
standing with the Kings. But this
is just this terry fun Cactus Jack is

2648
03:26:11.239 --> 03:26:16.000
she has just reached it. Talk
about heat, boss, talk about heat?

2649
03:26:16.719 --> 03:26:20.239
Are we literally? Are we going
to get a shot of the chest

2650
03:26:20.280 --> 03:26:26.040
where he fucking branded him bol I
don't know if he was going for the

2651
03:26:26.159 --> 03:26:30.239
full branding or just the flames.
Yes, she ended up this custal caller

2652
03:26:30.319 --> 03:26:37.520
and covers up the burned chester.
W we do insist on, you know,

2653
03:26:37.680 --> 03:26:43.760
complete branding. Listening to the funker
here after doing the deed, Oh

2654
03:26:43.120 --> 03:26:50.559
cat this Jack one on one me
and you you know I can't stand your

2655
03:26:50.760 --> 03:26:56.000
flag, you lady family here.
You know what I'm gonna do me and

2656
03:26:56.120 --> 03:27:00.479
you ate from the fifteenth, I'm
want to kill you. That's right,

2657
03:27:00.559 --> 03:27:03.680
I'm gonna kill Cactus Jack. I
may get the chair, but I'm gonna

2658
03:27:03.760 --> 03:27:07.239
kill him. No, I'm gonna
tell you what. I might just torture

2659
03:27:07.360 --> 03:27:09.959
him and then I'm gonna kill him. No, I may kill him and

2660
03:27:11.000 --> 03:27:13.280
then I'm gonna torture him. No, I'll tell you what. I'm gonna

2661
03:27:13.399 --> 03:27:18.200
castrate him first, then I'm gonna
kill him, and then I'm gonna torture

2662
03:27:18.280 --> 03:27:20.479
him. No, WHOA wait a
minute, what am I gonna do?

2663
03:27:20.959 --> 03:27:26.559
I'm gonna castrate him, kill him, torture him, and then I know

2664
03:27:26.639 --> 03:27:30.200
what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
travel him into the bumper of my fifty

2665
03:27:30.280 --> 03:27:33.760
five uick and I'm gonna pull out
son of a bitch down the main street

2666
03:27:33.799 --> 03:27:39.200
of Philadelphia. That's what I'm gonna
do. Do you look at Cactus Jackson?

2667
03:27:39.239 --> 03:27:41.559
Do you ever look at his face? Oh? What a faith he's

2668
03:27:41.600 --> 03:27:46.959
got. If I had a face
like him, might have a circumcised Oh.

2669
03:27:48.319 --> 03:27:58.319
I'm looking so forward to this.
Shane Douglas. I've had enough of

2670
03:27:58.520 --> 03:28:07.600
you your comments about people that I
love and I respect, and Cactus Jack

2671
03:28:07.440 --> 03:28:20.639
I've had enough of your body,
of your thoughts that you are a wonderful

2672
03:28:20.760 --> 03:28:26.159
professional wrestler. You actually believe that? Well, I prove to you that

2673
03:28:26.479 --> 03:28:35.680
I am the man and I will
always be the man. On April to

2674
03:28:35.840 --> 03:28:46.920
fifteenth, it's going to be a
hot time at the ECW Arena. Okay,

2675
03:28:48.360 --> 03:28:52.319
So reference there. Like I said, you go to the arena,

2676
03:28:52.399 --> 03:28:56.479
you'd see the match that was the
angle was shot for last time, and

2677
03:28:56.520 --> 03:28:58.440
then they'd come back with it in
this case, it's Terry Funk and Cactus

2678
03:28:58.520 --> 03:29:01.479
Jack on one coming off the flaming
branding iron. By the way, when

2679
03:29:01.520 --> 03:29:05.360
Funk was cutting that promo, he
had the charred branding iron up near his

2680
03:29:05.479 --> 03:29:09.920
temple, tapping his head. I
mean, that's just that's insane Terry Funk.

2681
03:29:09.920 --> 03:29:11.479
He doesn't even know what the next
word to come out of his mouth

2682
03:29:11.559 --> 03:29:15.079
is going to be. Having No, he is not. He does not

2683
03:29:16.319 --> 03:29:22.200
your body. He sounds like your
face. I was really hoping he'd say

2684
03:29:22.600 --> 03:29:26.920
he'd say, I'm gonna I'm gonna
castrate him, I'm gonna kill him,

2685
03:29:28.120 --> 03:29:31.600
I'm gonna torture him, and I'm
gonna eat him. Did he say he

2686
03:29:31.680 --> 03:29:35.319
was gonna circumcise his face? He
said he was gonna circumcisee his face.

2687
03:29:35.360 --> 03:29:39.280
Are you circumcised beyond just cutting a
penis? Like? Is that? I

2688
03:29:39.440 --> 03:29:43.840
don't I don't know. I mean, I suppose that the that that you

2689
03:29:43.000 --> 03:29:48.799
can I mean, you know,
I guess the idea that you're you're lopping

2690
03:29:48.879 --> 03:29:52.040
off part of the skin and opening
it up, I guess. I don't

2691
03:29:52.079 --> 03:29:56.879
know. I suppose so we've got
enough circumcise face. Oh sorry, go

2692
03:29:56.920 --> 03:30:01.239
ahead, I'm gonna circumcise his face, and I'm gonna circumcise my face and

2693
03:30:01.360 --> 03:30:07.280
I'm gonna shove my foreskin down his
mouth. Oh it's called foreskin. No

2694
03:30:07.319 --> 03:30:13.040
matter where you circumcise doesn't matter.
I don't care. I'm gonna I'm sitting

2695
03:30:13.120 --> 03:30:16.559
here eating foreskin. Now. No, those are pigskins, Terry, big

2696
03:30:16.600 --> 03:30:24.120
difference. I'm gonna go ahead,
and you know, I'm gonna circumcise his

2697
03:30:24.239 --> 03:30:26.440
face, and then I'm gonna,
you know, circumcise mine. And then

2698
03:30:26.479 --> 03:30:35.000
what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna
circumcise Dorry's pecker for a second time.

2699
03:30:35.520 --> 03:30:39.280
Yeah, Terry, I hate to
tell you can only do it once unless

2700
03:30:39.280 --> 03:30:48.520
you really fuck up, Dorince,
I'm gonna circumcise you again. Ah okay,

2701
03:30:50.079 --> 03:30:54.639
I guess if that's no considered,
Dorance, I'm going to circumcise you

2702
03:30:54.719 --> 03:30:58.680
again. And then I want you
to picture that not coming out of Terry

2703
03:30:58.680 --> 03:31:05.360
Funk's mouth, but but written on
a note left on Terry's kitchen counter.

2704
03:31:09.680 --> 03:31:13.319
Oh what do we get when I
well, it looks like we got a

2705
03:31:13.440 --> 03:31:24.000
note? What is the uh huh? Yeah, Darren's I am God's my

2706
03:31:24.120 --> 03:31:33.600
name Darrence, So I think that's
me. I don't is there it's not

2707
03:31:33.799 --> 03:31:43.879
Dad right. It doesn't say Darrin's
junior. H Nothing on the backside.

2708
03:31:43.959 --> 03:31:52.959
I'm gonna say, you want to
read not everything's two sided. I yuess

2709
03:31:52.000 --> 03:32:01.799
it's it's gotta be me. I
suppose, Okay, Darrence, I am

2710
03:32:01.000 --> 03:32:11.079
going to circumcise you for a second
time. It's the lapsed Funk time,

2711
03:32:11.879 --> 03:32:20.000
Terrence, Okay, Uh, I
got, Okay, I get. I

2712
03:32:20.079 --> 03:32:24.000
mean, I don't know. I
mean if Terry says so, I guess

2713
03:32:24.040 --> 03:32:24.840
I shouldn't get. You know,
you gotta be shitting me now, you're

2714
03:32:24.879 --> 03:32:35.120
losing me. Dory Funk saying,
I don't know, Dory Funk standing in

2715
03:32:35.559 --> 03:32:39.799
a tranced silence, thirty feet from
nine to eleven, as it happens,

2716
03:32:39.280 --> 03:32:48.399
not moving, getting washed over by
smoking soot, standing there like a statue

2717
03:32:48.399 --> 03:32:54.799
you had, coughing. I guess
huh, he says, fucking second plane

2718
03:32:54.840 --> 03:32:58.239
crashes, he goes, that's when
you know something really serious has happened,

2719
03:32:58.280 --> 03:33:03.559
when Dory can bring himself to go
huh. So how would Cactus Jack respond

2720
03:33:03.639 --> 03:33:07.000
to Terry Funk branding him with a
flaming branding iron and then cutting that screeen

2721
03:33:07.040 --> 03:33:09.440
on him in the promo? Well, I think we're here a lot of

2722
03:33:09.479 --> 03:33:16.040
screeching. See, Terry Funk.
There's one word you'd use to describe me

2723
03:33:16.159 --> 03:33:22.799
that I can't seem to get out
of my head, Charlattan. I don't

2724
03:33:22.799 --> 03:33:24.520
even know what it means, but
I'm pretty sure it's not somebody who lives

2725
03:33:24.559 --> 03:33:28.280
in North Carolina. But I got
a decent idea. That's funny, I

2726
03:33:28.399 --> 03:33:33.239
think, Terry Funk, you're out
there questioning my credentials. I'm not exactly

2727
03:33:33.399 --> 03:33:37.159
philled don here, but there are
a couple of things I'm a little sensitive

2728
03:33:37.159 --> 03:33:41.159
about. One of them's my family. The other one is my claims for

2729
03:33:41.280 --> 03:33:46.600
legitimacy in this great sport, and
you've questioned them both. Well, Terry

2730
03:33:46.680 --> 03:33:48.639
Funk, you're out there saying,
hey, I don't need a goofy name

2731
03:33:48.719 --> 03:33:52.879
my cactus jack? What is a
cactus jack? You use your full name

2732
03:33:52.959 --> 03:33:56.360
anybody who watches this show, Terry
Funk, I'm not opening any secrets.

2733
03:33:56.399 --> 03:34:01.399
I'm not harboring a secret. I'm
Mike full I was born Michael F.

2734
03:34:01.479 --> 03:34:03.639
Foley, Bloomington, Indiana, and
I don't even know what the hell New

2735
03:34:03.719 --> 03:34:09.200
Mexico looks like, but the name
kind of fit and I'm stuck with it

2736
03:34:09.319 --> 03:34:11.000
for better or worse. So you
fans, you want to chant Mickey Mickey,

2737
03:34:11.040 --> 03:34:13.840
you do it. You want to
chance tactics chack wheat, because I

2738
03:34:13.959 --> 03:34:20.479
call myself tack this check for one
reason, I earned it. I earned

2739
03:34:20.520 --> 03:34:24.799
it, Terry Funk, and for
better or worse. For the last twenty

2740
03:34:24.920 --> 03:34:28.920
nine years of my life, this
has been me. I maybe his comeback,

2741
03:34:30.000 --> 03:34:31.719
but I'm always a comeback. Now. Who are you, Terry Funk?

2742
03:34:33.319 --> 03:34:37.399
Are you Frankie the Thumper? Are
you doing the job for Patrick Swayze?

2743
03:34:37.280 --> 03:34:41.200
Or you lasting all of thirteen episodes
and tequila and pinnetti? Oh,

2744
03:34:41.479 --> 03:34:46.239
Terry Funk, luck to me and
realize I'm gonna put you on a perman

2745
03:34:46.280 --> 03:34:52.120
hiatus. So you tell me,
Terry Funk, who has the true credentials?

2746
03:34:52.239 --> 03:34:56.319
You want your credentials one of the
greatest competitors in the sport. Like

2747
03:34:56.440 --> 03:35:01.280
I said, I can't take that
away from you. But April fifteenth,

2748
03:35:01.440 --> 03:35:05.440
Terry Funk, two weeks after we
wrestle in front of one of the largest

2749
03:35:05.479 --> 03:35:09.760
crowds Japan has ever seen, sixty
thousand people in the Egg Dome. Well,

2750
03:35:09.879 --> 03:35:15.120
Terry Funk, I'm gonna leave just
enough of you left to bring you

2751
03:35:15.200 --> 03:35:20.799
into my home, the acw Arena, the intimate confines, and show each

2752
03:35:20.920 --> 03:35:24.600
and every one of these fans out
here and intimate jew of your skull.

2753
03:35:26.600 --> 03:35:31.040
Because make no mistake, when Cactus
Jack is perched up, buy in that

2754
03:35:31.200 --> 03:35:35.000
second turn buckle and you're looking at
a two hundred and eighty seven pounds misso

2755
03:35:37.520 --> 03:35:43.559
descending on your wrinkled old body.
That feeling in your throat is not excitement,

2756
03:35:43.079 --> 03:35:48.440
that's all liver So, Terry Funk, you want to play with fire,

2757
03:35:48.799 --> 03:35:50.879
Well, I'm not exactly a fireman, but I say there will be

2758
03:35:50.959 --> 03:35:54.799
a rebuttal I say, Terry Funk, your ass is gonna be burnt.

2759
03:35:56.079 --> 03:36:00.159
And I say, Terry Funk.
And while I am helpless to change is

2760
03:36:00.239 --> 03:36:03.959
the past, I'm gonna make damn
sure that the rest of your miserable life

2761
03:36:05.440 --> 03:36:09.120
is spent in the worst way possible. You may have put Tactors Jack's shoulders

2762
03:36:09.200 --> 03:36:13.000
down for a three count today,
but I'm gonna put your wrinkled old death

2763
03:36:13.520 --> 03:36:18.399
in a wheelchair for the rest of
eternity. So think about it, Terry

2764
03:36:18.520 --> 03:36:22.040
Funk. When day in and day
out, this is the face you see

2765
03:36:22.760 --> 03:36:28.159
when you kiss your wife, You'll
see me. When you say goodbye to

2766
03:36:28.200 --> 03:36:33.600
your children, you'll see me.
And when they leave your bitter old ass

2767
03:36:33.079 --> 03:36:37.719
and you're washed up and you're on
your dying day. I hope the last

2768
03:36:37.799 --> 03:36:41.680
things that cross through that pathetic mind
of yours are very simple. Shouldn't have

2769
03:36:41.719 --> 03:36:50.280
messed with tact Jacket. I shouldn't
have messed with Nick Foley my life.

2770
03:36:52.239 --> 03:36:56.719
That's a promo. Jesus, that's
a promo. That's that is that is

2771
03:36:56.239 --> 03:37:03.399
that is intense. Appreciate those deep
cuts. Oh yeah, but Terry Funk.

2772
03:37:03.479 --> 03:37:07.440
Was missing from WWFNWW was the ability
to stand in front of a camera

2773
03:37:07.200 --> 03:37:11.440
and say, on this date,
I'm gonna kill you, and yeah,

2774
03:37:11.440 --> 03:37:13.559
I suppose that's true. And there
he goes off the hinges. I'm there.

2775
03:37:13.719 --> 03:37:16.239
I want to see what's gonna happen
next. They've already introduced fire,

2776
03:37:16.479 --> 03:37:20.760
They've already filled the ring several times
with four hundred steel chairs. They've already

2777
03:37:20.760 --> 03:37:26.319
brawled all over the ECW arena and
you know boxes. I guess what's next

2778
03:37:26.479 --> 03:37:30.159
is limbs being severed. Well,
if they could, they would, and

2779
03:37:30.239 --> 03:37:33.040
has made reference to their in that
promo. They're blowing each other up in

2780
03:37:33.120 --> 03:37:35.079
Japan at the same time on the
death match circuit, which of course we

2781
03:37:35.159 --> 03:37:39.079
will get to here on the lapsed
Funk. But while we're in ECW,

2782
03:37:39.719 --> 03:37:45.799
we're going to turn to the match
he mentioned and just the uh the knockdown,

2783
03:37:45.879 --> 03:37:48.639
drag out battle that was the April
fifteenth, nineteen ninety five one on

2784
03:37:48.799 --> 03:37:52.799
one collision between Terry Funk and Cactus
Jack. But before we do that,

2785
03:37:52.959 --> 03:37:56.000
did you hear the Tequila and Benetti
reference? That's what I'm saying, those

2786
03:37:56.079 --> 03:38:00.239
the deep cuts. What do you
know about What can you tell our people

2787
03:38:00.239 --> 03:38:03.559
about Tequila and Bennetti if anything?
Well, I mean that's the we We

2788
03:38:03.680 --> 03:38:09.120
actually talked about it. We talked
about it, and then beyond it must

2789
03:38:09.159 --> 03:38:13.159
have been beyond the mat. Yeah, it's it was just a short lived

2790
03:38:13.239 --> 03:38:20.120
TV show. And uh, it
was a dog. Yes, you had

2791
03:38:20.159 --> 03:38:22.639
Bennetti who was the detective in the
prist department, and then you had Tequila,

2792
03:38:22.959 --> 03:38:28.639
who was his canine partner who could
talk to Benetti. Right, showed

2793
03:38:28.639 --> 03:38:33.440
the dog and someone would voice over
kind of like a soulful, jive talk

2794
03:38:33.600 --> 03:38:35.200
voice for the dog. And I
don't know why it didn't last, but

2795
03:38:37.079 --> 03:38:43.120
Mariska Hargate was in it. Yeah, yeah, and and and and Funk

2796
03:38:43.200 --> 03:38:48.920
played a sergeant and he just he
looked like a dufist. Why because well,

2797
03:38:48.000 --> 03:38:52.840
number one he completed he was clean
shaven, which when Terry Funk like

2798
03:38:52.959 --> 03:38:58.479
that, just he does look weird. And I think, no, I

2799
03:38:58.520 --> 03:39:01.559
don't think so. I think he
was mistashed at least not this not the

2800
03:39:01.600 --> 03:39:07.000
episode that I may shaved it the
thing I don't know, but yeah,

2801
03:39:07.239 --> 03:39:11.120
and I just remember there was let
me see if I can pull it up.

2802
03:39:11.200 --> 03:39:16.719
The the guy was asking question something
happened and and and oh, I

2803
03:39:16.879 --> 03:39:22.239
know, like yeah, he says
some some mix it like are you you

2804
03:39:22.319 --> 03:39:26.520
play robo? Are you robo cop? I think I said no, no,

2805
03:39:26.680 --> 03:39:30.079
no, I'm I'm not. I'm
not RoboCop. Can I meet robo

2806
03:39:30.159 --> 03:39:35.040
Cop? No? RoboCop is is
is a fictional character. It's played by

2807
03:39:35.079 --> 03:39:41.719
an actor, Peter Weller. Well
neither wanted to be fine something like that,

2808
03:39:43.120 --> 03:39:48.559
So he plays a total dufist on
the show. Yeah so yeah,

2809
03:39:48.639 --> 03:39:52.840
short lived television series. And part
of you know that, that that duality

2810
03:39:52.879 --> 03:39:56.120
of Terry Funk. I mean he's
saying these inhumane things about Nick Foley on

2811
03:39:56.239 --> 03:40:01.639
this you know, underground renegade wrestling
television show and he's still taking acting roles

2812
03:40:01.680 --> 03:40:05.840
for like mainstream shows, trying to
keep that sag card current. You know,

2813
03:40:05.680 --> 03:40:09.239
through the nineties. He's kind of
given up on a screen career after

2814
03:40:09.280 --> 03:40:11.719
the eighties. I think it's safe
to say, or at least Hollywood has

2815
03:40:11.719 --> 03:40:15.639
given up on him as being a
candidate for I would say, you know,

2816
03:40:15.840 --> 03:40:20.440
he wasn't gonna get he was,
you know, he he's certainly in

2817
03:40:20.360 --> 03:40:24.559
a way he worked more in the
nineties than he did. Yeah, he

2818
03:40:24.719 --> 03:40:30.399
was on the Western TV show.
He was quantum ely Yeah, and he

2819
03:40:30.559 --> 03:40:35.159
was on he was on Hogan Show
too. Don't forget. He was on

2820
03:40:35.280 --> 03:40:39.959
the Thunder Paradise and yeah, Thunder
and Paradise. He did he did a

2821
03:40:39.079 --> 03:40:43.479
Briscoe County Junior and then he did
like for two seconds in Briscoe. I

2822
03:40:43.479 --> 03:40:46.319
mean, honestly, he's in a
blinking you'll miss at moment in Briscoe County

2823
03:40:46.360 --> 03:40:54.200
Junior and the uh, you know, in a bunch of like shitty low

2824
03:40:54.280 --> 03:41:00.399
budget movies. Probably he does the
Wendy's commercial. I think it was no

2825
03:41:00.600 --> 03:41:03.040
eighties eight eighties was the Winn's commercial? Yeah, yeah, that was during

2826
03:41:03.159 --> 03:41:05.760
his heyday. Sure, I mean
the eighties it's weird, you know.

2827
03:41:07.040 --> 03:41:11.559
So in the eighties he had his
most high profile stuff, but he he

2828
03:41:11.840 --> 03:41:16.680
technically worked more, although I'm sure
it was for a lot less money in

2829
03:41:16.959 --> 03:41:20.639
the in the nineties, Ad mcfoley, they're kind of poking fun at him

2830
03:41:20.639 --> 03:41:24.319
in the spirit of totally you know, you got to you gotta start hitting

2831
03:41:24.360 --> 03:41:28.680
below the belt and promo for people
to really believe that there's some some minimosity

2832
03:41:28.719 --> 03:41:31.600
being created between the two wrestlers,
and that's a very nice example of that.

2833
03:41:31.799 --> 03:41:35.559
So here's a little bit of sound
since we've piqued your interest, and

2834
03:41:35.559 --> 03:41:37.840
again it was discussed and are beyond
the Mad episode as part of the Lapsed

2835
03:41:37.879 --> 03:41:41.319
Funk under the cinemat. But here's
a little taste of Terry Funk as the

2836
03:41:41.399 --> 03:41:46.600
sergeant in Tequila and Benettio. Could
you assign visiting Detective Benetta a parking space,

2837
03:41:46.639 --> 03:41:50.600
please, we don't every laugh,
Captain, give him detective Burger space.

2838
03:41:50.600 --> 03:41:56.520
He'll be in the hospital for another
week. Burgers, follow me a

2839
03:41:56.680 --> 03:42:01.000
burger again. He fell off Jack's
Brats wild Ride You what yeah, mos

2840
03:42:01.159 --> 03:42:03.799
Magic Park? Oh he was on
the cover. No, his kid lost

2841
03:42:03.799 --> 03:42:07.079
your Humpty Dumpy. Had he fell
off trying to catch it. He landed

2842
03:42:07.159 --> 03:42:11.280
on the Fiddlers Three. He didn't
land on the Fiddlers three. He landed

2843
03:42:11.280 --> 03:42:16.079
on Miss Muppets. Tough it?
You sure Jack Spratt's wild Ride doesn't fly

2844
03:42:16.159 --> 03:42:20.200
over the Fiddler's Three flies over Miss
Muppets. Tough it? I've forgotten about

2845
03:42:20.239 --> 03:42:26.799
that. I mean, what the
fuck is that? Honestly? Oh?

2846
03:42:28.280 --> 03:42:30.719
Oh he does. He does have
a mustache. Yes he does. I'm

2847
03:42:30.760 --> 03:42:33.079
looking at him right now. He
does have a mustache. You have to

2848
03:42:33.159 --> 03:42:37.399
love that stilted nineties television dialogue.
Oh absolutely, it's just like you just

2849
03:42:37.559 --> 03:42:41.040
know it's a nineties TV show by
just like the pauses and the white noise,

2850
03:42:41.639 --> 03:42:48.559
yeah, all the rest here,
here's this dialogue. But I'm only

2851
03:42:48.639 --> 03:42:50.360
you can hear it, though no
one else is gonna be able to hear

2852
03:42:50.399 --> 03:42:54.920
it. I'll trying to convey what
I'm hearing to the solar system. Bubbo

2853
03:42:56.040 --> 03:43:01.239
cop is, let's go back a
little bit. He has a question for

2854
03:43:01.319 --> 03:43:15.159
him. Can I ask you something? The building with a head I've ever

2855
03:43:15.239 --> 03:43:22.520
met RoboCop? Well, no,
not exactly. A cup is a character

2856
03:43:22.559 --> 03:43:28.440
in the movie. Oh, I'd
be happy to meet you, the one

2857
03:43:30.840 --> 03:43:35.399
such fucking Bozo, I'm sure you
would, They say, I'm sure,

2858
03:43:35.440 --> 03:43:37.879
I'm sure. I want ahead and
let him make an ass out of me.

2859
03:43:37.360 --> 03:43:41.120
I want ahead and met both Robo
Cop and Peter will Er. What

2860
03:43:41.200 --> 03:43:45.120
would a pro wrestler know about someone
not being their character? Give me a

2861
03:43:45.159 --> 03:43:50.000
break. That's the thing with Terry
Funk. There is no person who portrays

2862
03:43:50.040 --> 03:43:52.360
Terry Funk on television that you can
go out there and meet. I'm not

2863
03:43:52.399 --> 03:43:56.200
surprised he was confused there in a
way. So let's do it. Let's

2864
03:43:58.079 --> 03:44:01.920
jump into the match that's being built
up. The heat reaches a full boil,

2865
03:44:01.000 --> 03:44:03.200
to say the very least. It's
April fifteenth, ninety five in the

2866
03:44:03.239 --> 03:44:05.920
arena. We're gonna stick on disc
twenty six, Boss, and we're gonna

2867
03:44:05.959 --> 03:44:13.319
toggle over to one twenty nine eighteen
and take into the one on one Terry

2868
03:44:13.360 --> 03:44:16.399
Funk Cactus Jack match that's been building
up here upon Funks returned to the promotion

2869
03:44:16.520 --> 03:44:20.319
in February ninety five. Alright,
we're gonna start and lay out here as

2870
03:44:20.360 --> 03:44:24.319
Funk has got a microphone in the
ring while Cactus is walking the perimeter of

2871
03:44:24.360 --> 03:44:39.120
the square circle. And here we
go three two one, play whatever it

2872
03:44:39.200 --> 03:44:52.639
was Howry fuck our branded cactus with
a planning branding iron physical drawings. I

2873
03:44:52.000 --> 03:44:56.920
know, oh, I forget about
here. Dutch's just someone in here as

2874
03:45:00.239 --> 03:45:09.120
good night Dare. That's the damn
good on the entry. But there's one

2875
03:45:09.399 --> 03:45:16.520
whole thing wrong with this picture.
It's the way it's Seattle layer here.

2876
03:45:18.040 --> 03:45:31.959
Why don't you come out here?
Okay? Uh cactus check to him in

2877
03:45:31.040 --> 03:45:54.639
the seats, Rainy orders packed this
jack by as you should never be this

2878
03:45:54.879 --> 03:46:07.600
jack, ask another get you you
don't sup by. These fans flip on

2879
03:46:07.639 --> 03:46:15.520
the back so fuck you at the
part of their lungs to Funk. So

2880
03:46:15.639 --> 03:46:18.319
we have a bell and yeah,
Terry Funk is a white T shirt on

2881
03:46:18.399 --> 03:46:20.360
that he wrote cactus my ass on
the back end, Cactus my ass.

2882
03:46:20.360 --> 03:46:24.200
I don't know what that how that
works, but what that even means.

2883
03:46:26.680 --> 03:46:28.319
But the challenge has been issued to
look at this. Terry Funk is climbing

2884
03:46:28.399 --> 03:46:33.000
the rails similarly, but he's doing
it in another part of the arena,

2885
03:46:33.079 --> 03:46:35.639
saying no on my terms. Here, We're gonna do it my way.

2886
03:46:35.879 --> 03:46:37.799
We're gonna go ahead and fight in
the crowd. We're gonna do it.

2887
03:46:39.200 --> 03:46:43.319
Go ahead and touch myself in this
part of the crowd. Go ahead and

2888
03:46:43.360 --> 03:46:46.399
follow me into the people practice.
Go ahead. When I had dead,

2889
03:46:46.479 --> 03:46:52.639
I had ah there It is like
nails funk with the right hand amidst the

2890
03:46:52.680 --> 03:46:56.280
people, have a fucking crazy scene. This is to be good at this

2891
03:46:56.840 --> 03:47:01.319
so absurd bleachers that they're still fun
is going? Is the dirt how dirty

2892
03:47:01.399 --> 03:47:11.760
it is? Oh? My god? I mean yeah, I'm just here

2893
03:47:11.840 --> 03:47:16.000
we go. Yeah, Jesus,
Terry cracking folly with chair shots and it's

2894
03:47:16.000 --> 03:47:20.879
like so far away from people that
most people can't see. Yeah, is

2895
03:47:20.920 --> 03:47:24.200
everyone standing out? Is there?
Is? There no Titan tronk. There's

2896
03:47:24.239 --> 03:47:28.239
no Titan tron and everyone. I
don't think there ever was. I'm sure

2897
03:47:28.280 --> 03:47:31.600
there wasn't. But when they dressed
the building up for a TNN when they

2898
03:47:31.639 --> 03:47:37.280
were doing the National Television Show,
there's Terry with a handful of Captus's hair

2899
03:47:37.399 --> 03:47:39.440
dragging them up to that perch that
crows nest or whatever they used to call

2900
03:47:39.479 --> 03:47:46.600
it, high atop the arena.
We're getting a little tour of the building

2901
03:47:46.639 --> 03:47:52.360
here, Jesus, such as it
was, It's like what I did?

2902
03:47:52.399 --> 03:47:56.079
They just run it out this building. They had it every week or every

2903
03:47:56.159 --> 03:48:01.639
month, yea, every month,
three weeks just about Wow, what was

2904
03:48:01.719 --> 03:48:05.639
it? What was it? Originally
it's like a function hall. It's called

2905
03:48:05.719 --> 03:48:07.479
Viking Hall for a while then a
bunch of deer. They would have like

2906
03:48:07.959 --> 03:48:11.959
events and concerts, and they would
have bingo that was the thing. And

2907
03:48:11.079 --> 03:48:15.120
sometimes they'd have like midnight bingo after
the show. So it became known as

2908
03:48:15.159 --> 03:48:18.719
the bingo hall. There are you
know, people would derisively call it the

2909
03:48:18.799 --> 03:48:22.360
bingo hall when they were trying to
make fun. Oh, folly risks at

2910
03:48:22.399 --> 03:48:26.360
all any you got nothing in return? Comes off the stage with a flying

2911
03:48:26.399 --> 03:48:30.040
elbow, funks on a table,
funk moves out of the way and fully

2912
03:48:30.159 --> 03:48:35.479
crashes classic cactus tract. Take a
flight there. It rings further away than

2913
03:48:35.520 --> 03:48:39.280
I thought from the back wall here. That could be a wide angle shot.

2914
03:48:39.559 --> 03:48:43.559
Yeah, I mean, I know
it looks to be about ten fifteen

2915
03:48:43.719 --> 03:48:46.879
rows tops. And they know funking
tactus used to shoot a lot of wide

2916
03:48:46.920 --> 03:48:50.959
angles, so that's true. Up
now, Uh, Terry going to work

2917
03:48:52.000 --> 03:48:56.520
on the remnants at the table.
I was grubbing a chair. I's all

2918
03:48:56.520 --> 03:48:58.079
these people. Look at the black
t shirts, the jeans. This is

2919
03:48:58.159 --> 03:49:01.840
nineteen eighty five. Yeah, seriously, I want you to think about WrestleMania

2920
03:49:01.879 --> 03:49:09.159
eleven than it ready to happen.
Oh you know what a different world it

2921
03:49:09.280 --> 03:49:13.559
wasn't I didn't fill at this time? Yeah? That seriously think of the

2922
03:49:13.639 --> 03:49:16.040
WWF at that point and think of
how much more enticing this scenes. You

2923
03:49:16.159 --> 03:49:20.440
know. No, I mean listen
again, Like I've said it before,

2924
03:49:20.600 --> 03:49:26.360
I'll say it again. I'm sure
that if I had been aware or sought

2925
03:49:26.520 --> 03:49:33.360
access to this, I would have
loved it. There's no doubt about it.

2926
03:49:35.079 --> 03:49:39.280
I fit the time, they fit
the move Yeah, oh absolutely,

2927
03:49:39.360 --> 03:49:43.600
yeah, there was there definitely was. I mean there was such a you

2928
03:49:43.680 --> 03:49:48.840
know, anti authority. And Todd
Morton tells a story in his book about

2929
03:49:48.840 --> 03:49:50.200
how, you know, Paul Hammond
just had the epiphany one day where he

2930
03:49:50.200 --> 03:49:52.440
said, we're going to rename it
extreme and that word is going to be

2931
03:49:52.479 --> 03:49:56.559
everywhere in a few years, and
it was totally right. Yeah, it's

2932
03:49:56.559 --> 03:50:01.760
the Extreme Championship wrestling before it was
you know extreme everything right like right around

2933
03:50:01.799 --> 03:50:05.879
the time that took hold. So
they whacked each other with chairs, fully

2934
03:50:05.319 --> 03:50:07.959
sent head over heels under the guardrail, gets his leg tied up there and

2935
03:50:09.280 --> 03:50:15.879
bum because just slamming his knee to
the steel. That just like a moody

2936
03:50:16.040 --> 03:50:20.079
like give me something where I can
swear, you know, yeah, I

2937
03:50:20.159 --> 03:50:28.319
mean it was such a This was
such an answer to like the Reagan Yeah

2938
03:50:28.399 --> 03:50:31.079
interesting, yeah, trying to bring
it back to the you know, the

2939
03:50:31.159 --> 03:50:37.559
old days mentality, like a push
it into the moral majority and right right,

2940
03:50:37.799 --> 03:50:41.559
you know, this was a time
when you know, Congress was alive

2941
03:50:41.680 --> 03:50:43.440
with talk of like we need to
get back to values and you know,

2942
03:50:43.920 --> 03:50:48.680
right ormanticizing the time that never existed, that kind of stuff, right,

2943
03:50:48.760 --> 03:50:52.360
This is definitely a response to that
For a generation that didn't identify with you

2944
03:50:52.440 --> 03:51:00.239
know that longing for the past,
there was a farm it was just having

2945
03:51:00.440 --> 03:51:03.520
things that were just unapologenically like oh, back out of the ring table,

2946
03:51:03.559 --> 03:51:07.399
leaned up against the gropes and saying, man, pardon me, Tacas Jackson's

2947
03:51:07.399 --> 03:51:11.360
funk flying in the way, because
you know it is funny. So like

2948
03:51:11.399 --> 03:51:16.479
I remember when when when WWE said
they were bringing back E. C.

2949
03:51:16.760 --> 03:51:24.239
W. I was actually like hoping
for something a little more nineties esque pretty

2950
03:51:24.040 --> 03:51:28.280
and stuff like I actually wanted that. So again, I do think that

2951
03:51:28.399 --> 03:51:35.440
they're probably would have been a time
in my youth that I would have appreciated

2952
03:51:35.479 --> 03:51:39.680
this more than I do. Now, Oh my god, Jesus, I

2953
03:51:39.879 --> 03:51:43.920
just you know, only climbing the
top and Funk actually souplex is an entire

2954
03:51:43.040 --> 03:51:46.079
table across Foley's head, and it
hits the floor and almost hits like ten

2955
03:51:46.120 --> 03:51:50.879
people in the front road. Yeah, I just don't, you know,

2956
03:51:54.600 --> 03:51:56.440
I just I can feel. I
can I guess here's here's the part of

2957
03:51:56.479 --> 03:51:58.959
it too. I can feel how
these guys are going to wake up.

2958
03:52:00.399 --> 03:52:01.760
Yeah, yeah, that's that's good
on you to have that on your conscience,

2959
03:52:01.760 --> 03:52:07.440
because nobody in this building does I
know, they're not even they don't

2960
03:52:07.479 --> 03:52:11.000
even get warmed up until they hear
it, hear that people's skulls get cracked.

2961
03:52:11.799 --> 03:52:15.520
Oh now, oh my god.
Cactus has a toilet seat and he's

2962
03:52:15.520 --> 03:52:18.799
wrapped it around the throat of Terry
Funk. Someone brought a toilet seat to

2963
03:52:18.840 --> 03:52:24.600
show up, of course, or
someone imagine. I imagine that there was

2964
03:52:24.639 --> 03:52:28.120
a fun thing where where fans would
probably go through dumpsters and shops see what

2965
03:52:28.200 --> 03:52:31.760
they could find, and bring whatever
they could to the to the probably to

2966
03:52:31.840 --> 03:52:39.159
that dollar across the st Yeah,
he's gonna plunger that definitely like a dollar

2967
03:52:39.200 --> 03:52:46.360
store plunger, for sure. That
ain't a good one. It comes fully

2968
03:52:46.440 --> 03:52:50.239
from the apron what's going to do
with bulldog Terry to the folded out steel

2969
03:52:50.319 --> 03:52:56.959
chair. There's a total brawl here, just I mean so far. I

2970
03:52:58.040 --> 03:53:03.639
mean, like the what the male
to female ratio has got to be?

2971
03:53:03.719 --> 03:53:07.760
What like twenty five to one?
Oh my god, Oh Jesus. The

2972
03:53:07.879 --> 03:53:13.719
gorilla pressed Cactus off the apron front
flip and they landed on that splat concrete

2973
03:53:13.799 --> 03:53:16.079
like you used to do the nexty
plunge bump. I guess there's just the

2974
03:53:16.360 --> 03:53:22.600
psychological thing, you know, where
I'm like, okay, I just I

2975
03:53:22.440 --> 03:53:26.200
put myself in there in their shoes, and it makes me feel uncomfortable,

2976
03:53:28.000 --> 03:53:33.079
the idea of well if I go
out there and I hurt myself and the

2977
03:53:33.200 --> 03:53:35.479
crowd locks it, I guess I'm
doing something right exactly, Well that better

2978
03:53:35.600 --> 03:53:46.520
keep doing it. That's exactly it. The perverse the reward system. Un

2979
03:53:46.559 --> 03:53:50.760
Chris bust that open now is Cactus
takes him on a tour of ringside.

2980
03:53:50.959 --> 03:53:56.360
But here's the thing. By coming
into this company and meeting that fan expectation,

2981
03:53:56.079 --> 03:53:58.920
so many guys got jobs at WWF
and went on to make millions.

2982
03:54:00.360 --> 03:54:03.559
Yeah, let me teary that.
I mean, I'm not I agree,

2983
03:54:05.040 --> 03:54:09.520
I totally understand that, and I
get it, but I mean in another

2984
03:54:09.600 --> 03:54:11.399
way, yes, well that is
great that they were able to do that.

2985
03:54:13.959 --> 03:54:24.440
You know, the WWE also was
exploiting people's poor health choices for sure.

2986
03:54:24.520 --> 03:54:26.840
Yeah, they were definitely traffick again
as well. I mean, that's

2987
03:54:26.879 --> 03:54:31.639
what that's the flip that Vince,
that's the switch that Vince flipped. You

2988
03:54:31.680 --> 03:54:35.280
know, just said, fine,
chairs, hyper violence, nudity, as

2989
03:54:35.360 --> 03:54:37.920
much swearing as we can get away
with, chair shots all the time,

2990
03:54:37.600 --> 03:54:43.879
short patches, brawling, hyper violence, tables. Let's do it. That's

2991
03:54:43.920 --> 03:54:48.879
clearly what we all to do to
survive this nWo thing. And now fully

2992
03:54:48.959 --> 03:54:52.799
with a full rubber made trash can
and they're wearing this just crowned the funker

2993
03:54:52.559 --> 03:54:56.079
and debris flew every bog a bang
bang. Look, Oh my god,

2994
03:54:56.120 --> 03:55:00.440
funk found a fucking beer bottle in
there. God he broke on his head.

2995
03:55:00.440 --> 03:55:01.600
I think he broke it over his
head. Think kid hit him like

2996
03:55:01.639 --> 03:55:15.479
three times before. Chadow's Philly was
bleeding on top of cacti. Jack got

2997
03:55:15.520 --> 03:55:20.120
another beer bottle and he's cracking them
all. No, smashes them together to

2998
03:55:20.159 --> 03:55:26.760
create a jagged edge. He just
started fucking just attack the referee, stabbing,

2999
03:55:28.399 --> 03:55:33.120
literally stabbing. He's carving the arm
of Foley's get his arm in the

3000
03:55:33.120 --> 03:55:35.920
bottom rope and for real, Terry
is slicing the Oh my god, I

3001
03:55:37.000 --> 03:55:39.360
saw the flesh, just like kind
of rip off. Why does he do

3002
03:55:39.479 --> 03:55:45.200
it? I don't look at the
flesh, look at the arena. Look

3003
03:55:45.200 --> 03:55:48.600
at his arm cut to one time. Isn't that kind of the symbolic thing?

3004
03:55:48.639 --> 03:55:52.000
Didn't get his arm cut in Japan? He did? Now he's doing

3005
03:55:52.040 --> 03:55:56.200
a cactus his chest after ripping the
shot. Branded where he got branded too?

3006
03:55:56.520 --> 03:55:58.440
Yes, yes you did. I
branded him. Yeah, that's the

3007
03:55:58.440 --> 03:56:03.479
thing he was before it became to
this. Yeah, long perverse strokes with

3008
03:56:03.600 --> 03:56:13.280
a shard from the funker, the
sadistic funker with his taped fists stained with

3009
03:56:13.440 --> 03:56:16.399
blood, just digging in. How
does he ever explain this to his fucking

3010
03:56:16.479 --> 03:56:22.680
kids? In his life, they
wanted him to retire in like nineteen ninety.

3011
03:56:22.440 --> 03:56:26.440
I think they wanted to retire him, to retire before even It's not

3012
03:56:26.680 --> 03:56:30.479
just the cuts unfold his arm,
it's the dirt on the arm mixing with

3013
03:56:30.680 --> 03:56:33.280
the cut. No, I know, I know everything here says uh,

3014
03:56:35.280 --> 03:56:41.639
you know tetanus absolutely, And now
he's slapping a ship out of the paint,

3015
03:56:41.719 --> 03:56:56.159
brushing across the face head my cellar
fucking tosses it. It's awesome.

3016
03:56:56.280 --> 03:57:01.559
That turns it on. He's just
fucking ranting and raving. Don'tn't care about

3017
03:57:01.559 --> 03:57:05.799
talking into the microphone. What does
he do with it. He's such a

3018
03:57:05.879 --> 03:57:11.239
fucking lumatic and bod, just trying
to deck to make cat people believe in

3019
03:57:11.319 --> 03:57:18.760
him. Man, he's scary right
out. Yeah he is. I wouldn't

3020
03:57:18.760 --> 03:57:22.360
want to go home. I wouldn't
want to let Vicky working over him up

3021
03:57:22.399 --> 03:57:26.200
with short right hands. Now as
the funker that cut open, here comes

3022
03:57:26.239 --> 03:57:33.280
Mikey Riprack trying to save his mentor
cactus Jack, deposited unceremoniously in the floor

3023
03:57:33.319 --> 03:57:35.680
by the funk ck. He's like
a fucking high school student. Yeah,

3024
03:57:35.719 --> 03:57:41.559
that was pretty much the idea hack
fire. Here's hack Meyer's emphasis on hack

3025
03:57:41.319 --> 03:57:46.200
fuck touttop the front where he loads
him up with the rights and throws him

3026
03:57:46.200 --> 03:57:48.959
into the rail. This guy,
when you just wake up, weren't his

3027
03:57:48.000 --> 03:57:52.040
pajama pants? Everybody needs c W
seems like they're a worry pajama back.

3028
03:57:52.200 --> 03:57:56.040
Do you think everyone everyone e's w
dressed up like they were going through the

3029
03:57:56.200 --> 03:58:01.159
dunk and drive through after I you
know, I say I'd like fucking drinking

3030
03:58:01.239 --> 03:58:05.399
from for for twenty five hours.
Oh, back in the ring, Funk

3031
03:58:05.440 --> 03:58:07.920
going to work on the k new
of the steel chair, our fractice draft

3032
03:58:09.600 --> 03:58:16.680
fuck trying to snap the leg of
cactus. Cactus is more beaten, battered

3033
03:58:16.959 --> 03:58:22.000
cut and now the spinning toe hold
is on order from the fucker. It's

3034
03:58:22.000 --> 03:58:24.840
always so amusing you do all these
fucking broken beer bottles and chair shots and

3035
03:58:24.920 --> 03:58:30.520
tables and go back to this stupid
fucking Oh inside cradle. Cactus is the

3036
03:58:30.559 --> 03:58:33.319
inside cradle to counter the spinning toe
hold. For two, the spinning toe

3037
03:58:33.360 --> 03:58:39.920
hold is like the worst fucking hole. Oh and Cactus, Jesus Terry Funk

3038
03:58:39.959 --> 03:58:45.239
into a steel chair. I'm the
comeback. Here is mc foley, Samley

3039
03:58:45.280 --> 03:58:48.159
Cooper taking notes? Sorry, well
yes, one, two, and there's

3040
03:58:48.200 --> 03:58:52.280
a sin man for the same.
I'm still wearing his fucking red white Ulu.

3041
03:58:58.520 --> 03:59:01.079
It's pretty. He keeps wearing it. But Funk gave up on that.

3042
03:59:01.479 --> 03:59:03.120
I know he didn't keep going Another
d d T in the chair cover

3043
03:59:03.239 --> 03:59:07.799
one two three from Paul. I
know who's on the floor. Slap on

3044
03:59:07.879 --> 03:59:13.120
the canvas. Fuck that ship all
right, So Cactus Jack peaks funk.

3045
03:59:13.159 --> 03:59:16.280
I used to hate that about Easter
w They do the one two three in

3046
03:59:16.319 --> 03:59:20.600
the order so often. Not sink
in. Don't't even realize the mattress over.

3047
03:59:20.159 --> 03:59:24.680
Just talk. You know it's not
over yet. We're still gonna make

3048
03:59:24.760 --> 03:59:28.840
money Osi there immediately. It's almost
like they wanted to make the finish an

3049
03:59:28.879 --> 03:59:33.159
afterthought. The way they would do
it is cadding Cacus might not be far

3050
03:59:33.239 --> 03:59:37.360
from the truth because we were able
to talk some pretty big man talents and

3051
03:59:37.520 --> 03:59:41.200
doing jobs in Eastern way. The
most part of having to go down easier

3052
03:59:41.440 --> 03:59:43.799
is you know there'll just be a
schmas when the three gets counted anyways,

3053
03:59:43.799 --> 03:59:50.360
so get bad notice. So now
Samon is standing over the fuller planes,

3054
03:59:50.399 --> 03:59:52.799
beer down and the training the ship
out of him. Terry Funk nowhere to

3055
03:59:52.840 --> 04:00:01.159
be fund. He's such a fucking
nothing on I mean sadman, definitely a

3056
04:00:01.239 --> 04:00:07.719
guy who could only get a job
in the kne cact isn't pouring something on

3057
04:00:07.920 --> 04:00:13.159
him? What is he pouring those
Dallas is talking about it like it isn't

3058
04:00:13.159 --> 04:00:24.040
necessarily beer wine. Maybe is in
trouble. Oh maybe it's uh lighter fluid.

3059
04:00:26.079 --> 04:00:28.879
Oh sh here comes the funder.
We'll get another flaming branding iron in

3060
04:00:28.959 --> 04:00:33.040
LECW arena. No, what are
they down for? Fire? Mean four,

3061
04:00:33.159 --> 04:00:41.120
lady, God, that's an absolute
fire ball at the mixed face in

3062
04:00:41.200 --> 04:00:46.159
the ref mind looking at him.
He's even stabbing Nick with the flames.

3063
04:00:46.280 --> 04:00:50.479
Looking him, He's stabbing him with
the flame of branding iron. He let

3064
04:00:50.559 --> 04:00:54.120
him on fire. He let him
on fire. The ref had his shirt

3065
04:00:54.120 --> 04:00:56.600
off, ready to put the fire
out. You see that? Yeah?

3066
04:00:56.840 --> 04:01:01.239
Oh and Tory Funk is out after
Nick. Fo I mean this small arena,

3067
04:01:01.440 --> 04:01:05.200
just I would be so afraid,
like I feel like everything, I

3068
04:01:05.280 --> 04:01:09.639
feel like everything in this fucking I
would hit him in the crotch. He's

3069
04:01:09.639 --> 04:01:13.879
start a step. Look with the
fucking flaming branding iron against the rail of

3070
04:01:13.959 --> 04:01:18.040
these people. Okay, what point
this fucking fully fully grabs it, freak

3071
04:01:18.079 --> 04:01:22.399
out swinging. It's how does the
ring that light on fire? Look at

3072
04:01:22.440 --> 04:01:28.000
this fall or this thing is likely
inches from the fans place. It's completely

3073
04:01:28.120 --> 04:01:37.239
combustible, this dis building and listen
to the people ec dub Indeed, boss

3074
04:01:37.920 --> 04:01:41.159
there's a part of me that is
saying, yeah, you know what,

3075
04:01:41.319 --> 04:01:45.120
they would love. These people would
be okay if they died here and this

3076
04:01:45.319 --> 04:01:48.920
night. Yeah, they'd make him
legends. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

3077
04:01:48.280 --> 04:01:54.120
they would remember it fondly, not
sadly insane. I mean, it's just

3078
04:01:56.200 --> 04:02:03.040
it's just so fucking risky what they're
doing here. And you better believe that

3079
04:02:03.120 --> 04:02:05.719
if Terry Funk and Cactus Jack are
trying to turn up the heat in E

3080
04:02:05.840 --> 04:02:09.639
CW and get the spotlight on them, they'll eventually turn up the heat too

3081
04:02:09.719 --> 04:02:13.840
far. I'm going to share with
you a passage from Mick Foley's Bookoy that

3082
04:02:15.120 --> 04:02:18.239
takes us through a lot of what
we just saw in terms of his vantage

3083
04:02:18.280 --> 04:02:22.319
point and perspective on how all this
got so out of hand, this Terry

3084
04:02:22.360 --> 04:02:28.399
Funk feud, and you know what
actually was real and what wasn't in terms

3085
04:02:28.440 --> 04:02:31.440
of you know, actual flame contact
with the skin, in terms of broken

3086
04:02:31.479 --> 04:02:35.440
beer bottles and all the rest.
So warm up the pipe spots, because

3087
04:02:35.440 --> 04:02:41.280
we're turning to have a nice day
and McK foley taking us through these these

3088
04:02:41.319 --> 04:02:48.680
seminal moments with the Funker, Todd
Gordon and Paul E started claiming on television

3089
04:02:48.719 --> 04:02:54.040
that I was stealing money from the
company by wrestling so poorly. That's really

3090
04:02:54.200 --> 04:02:56.959
that's funny. I shot back with
the claim that as a former WSW star,

3091
04:02:58.079 --> 04:03:01.239
I carried enough weight to do whatever
I want. Wanted. This got

3092
04:03:01.319 --> 04:03:05.680
to Dreamer, who claimed he was
going to quote beat the hardcore out of

3093
04:03:05.799 --> 04:03:09.280
me to do so. He even
brought back my old nemesis Terry Funk to

3094
04:03:09.399 --> 04:03:15.639
be in his corner. After after
Kawasaki, Terry's body was so worn out

3095
04:03:15.959 --> 04:03:18.200
that he needed time to heal and
hadn't been into the arena in a while.

3096
04:03:18.239 --> 04:03:22.760
It's a reference to their match at
the Kawasaki Baseball Stadium, Exploding lasting

3097
04:03:22.799 --> 04:03:26.239
match. The match to settle this
strange score was set for October twenty eighth,

3098
04:03:26.799 --> 04:03:31.799
but began as a goofy concept very
nearly ended in tragedy. ACW calls

3099
04:03:31.840 --> 04:03:37.840
its annual November show the November to
Remember. I later joked that this was

3100
04:03:37.879 --> 04:03:43.799
the October to Forget. The match
doesn't really work, though, doesn't if

3101
04:03:43.840 --> 04:03:48.639
only there was a month that rhymed
with forget, Forget October It brother,

3102
04:03:48.079 --> 04:03:52.200
it's the Oktoba to Forget. That
doesn't rhyme either, not at all.

3103
04:03:52.280 --> 04:03:56.479
The match opened with Tommy slapping me
repeatedly and daring me to retaliate. I

3104
04:03:56.520 --> 04:04:00.520
wouldn't he slapped me again. I
wouldn't. He slapped me one more time,

3105
04:04:00.600 --> 04:04:03.159
and finally I couldn't take it.
I reared back with my left hand

3106
04:04:03.239 --> 04:04:11.399
and put on a headlock. The
fans were very vocal with their dissatisfaction.

3107
04:04:11.399 --> 04:04:15.280
Dreamer fought, fought up, but
I took him down again. Hey,

3108
04:04:15.399 --> 04:04:18.680
by this point I knew my headlocks. He got up and stopped me and

3109
04:04:18.799 --> 04:04:22.200
threw me to the floor, hoping
the change in scenery might spark my hardcore

3110
04:04:22.280 --> 04:04:26.159
memory. It did. I fired
a Dreamer to the crowd's approval. I

3111
04:04:26.280 --> 04:04:30.760
had Dreamer reeling and knowing he was
about to fall, I reared back and

3112
04:04:31.760 --> 04:04:33.959
put on a headlock. Hey,
man, he was ahead of his time

3113
04:04:35.000 --> 04:04:37.680
when it comes to our headlocks for
his idea. Seriously, this was great

3114
04:04:37.760 --> 04:04:41.639
stuff. Finally, how he mounted
an offense and forced me to retaliate I

3115
04:04:41.760 --> 04:04:46.360
did. I threw the blatantly brown
nosing bastard to the concrete and stepped through

3116
04:04:46.399 --> 04:04:50.719
the ropes to the familiarity of the
ring apron. I put up the arm

3117
04:04:50.760 --> 04:04:54.760
and the ecw faithful knew just what
to expect. The legendary madman Cactus Jack

3118
04:04:54.920 --> 04:05:00.879
was about to drop the legendary elbow, except I didn't. Instead, I

3119
04:05:01.000 --> 04:05:09.760
stopped in mid stride and led it
and led a WCW cheer by spelling right,

3120
04:05:09.200 --> 04:05:13.440
by spelling out the letters of the
company with my arms, w c

3121
04:05:13.120 --> 04:05:20.799
W WCW WCW. It was more
than Dreamer could stand. It made his

3122
04:05:20.920 --> 04:05:24.639
hardcore blood boil. As the self
built innovator of violence, Tommy had some

3123
04:05:24.719 --> 04:05:28.639
pretty neat tricks up his sleeve,
and he started using them on me in

3124
04:05:28.760 --> 04:05:33.360
great volume. I was taking a
little bit of a beating and decided that,

3125
04:05:33.479 --> 04:05:37.280
in the immortal words of Owen Heart, enough is enough. It's time

3126
04:05:37.399 --> 04:05:41.520
for a change. If Tommy wanted
to get hardcore, I was going to

3127
04:05:41.559 --> 04:05:45.600
show him how it was done.
Unfortunately, this was what resulted in the

3128
04:05:45.680 --> 04:05:52.559
previously mentioned failed eyebrow experiment, with
Tommy's face lumpy and red from my errant

3129
04:05:52.719 --> 04:05:56.319
blows. I reared back for the
big one. Actually, this one was

3130
04:05:56.399 --> 04:06:01.200
only going to look like a big
one. I thought he'd punched enough already.

3131
04:06:01.239 --> 04:06:03.360
I through the haymaker and howled in
pain. Oh, I yelled,

3132
04:06:03.719 --> 04:06:07.239
it's my hand. I think I
broke my hand. I got on the

3133
04:06:07.280 --> 04:06:11.799
house Mike and address this serious health
issue, ladies and gentlemen. As you

3134
04:06:11.879 --> 04:06:15.840
can see, I suffer tremendous damage
to my hand and as a result,

3135
04:06:15.879 --> 04:06:18.040
I just can't go on. The
pain is too great. I am truly

3136
04:06:18.159 --> 04:06:22.280
sorry, but I'm afraid that this
match is over. The bout will be

3137
04:06:22.399 --> 04:06:26.159
ruled a no contest. We look
great. What a gimmick that was,

3138
04:06:26.440 --> 04:06:28.760
and you know, as great as
it sounds on paper, and it was,

3139
04:06:28.840 --> 04:06:31.680
it was. It was very clever. You watch these shows and it's

3140
04:06:31.719 --> 04:06:35.040
like the fans are just like,
uh, like, where's the violence?

3141
04:06:35.120 --> 04:06:37.840
You know? Yeah, right,
I'm sure they can't fucking handle this kind

3142
04:06:37.879 --> 04:06:41.120
of shit. They were hating him, and there was a lot of fans

3143
04:06:41.159 --> 04:06:46.000
that were really going along, but
a lot of these w fans are just

3144
04:06:46.079 --> 04:06:48.559
standing there like, what what's the
next crazy thing? It's gonna happen?

3145
04:06:48.639 --> 04:06:50.239
Right? All they want, right, you know, nuance and storylines.

3146
04:06:50.520 --> 04:06:54.959
No, they're looking right exactly.
And that's again, that's that's part of

3147
04:06:56.000 --> 04:06:58.520
my issue. It's it's to me, all that violence is cheap shit.

3148
04:06:58.639 --> 04:07:07.200
It's it's just it's it's the Godfather
with the hoes. You know at one

3149
04:07:07.239 --> 04:07:09.000
point not the godfather of the movie, but I swear to god, I

3150
04:07:09.159 --> 04:07:13.079
pictured for a moment there and I'm
trying to like figure out why I'm picturing

3151
04:07:13.159 --> 04:07:18.319
Brando watering like a garden. Well
he does, he does that in the

3152
04:07:18.879 --> 04:07:20.840
Yeah. I was like, why
is this actually an image in my head?

3153
04:07:20.840 --> 04:07:31.920
And then I really yeah, you
know, like like through these yeah

3154
04:07:31.000 --> 04:07:35.680
where it became about the women instead
of the the you know him himself,

3155
04:07:35.760 --> 04:07:37.680
and it's like, he's just a
joke. Now, yeah, you're like,

3156
04:07:37.719 --> 04:07:41.799
no matter how talented you are,
not to say Charles Wright was a

3157
04:07:41.920 --> 04:07:45.440
wonderful talent, but you're just the
vessel for what we really want to see,

3158
04:07:45.520 --> 04:07:52.239
which is like buriant violence and sex
exactly. And so to me,

3159
04:07:52.360 --> 04:07:56.399
that's what e c W really is
is that it doesn't really matter, Like

3160
04:07:56.479 --> 04:08:00.239
they didn't really care who was out
there. Could have been anybody, Yeah,

3161
04:08:00.239 --> 04:08:05.120
as long as people were fucking jumping
off buildings and you know, and

3162
04:08:05.280 --> 04:08:09.280
throwing fire at people. What I
lack from this time period, because as

3163
04:08:09.319 --> 04:08:13.840
I said, I didn't have access
TOCW weekly, was the degree to which

3164
04:08:13.879 --> 04:08:18.760
people who showed up at the arena
every three weeks watched the television. You

3165
04:08:18.840 --> 04:08:22.600
know what I mean, and actually
saw these promos and were in receipt of

3166
04:08:22.680 --> 04:08:26.440
these storylines. I feel like a
lot of people showed up just like last

3167
04:08:26.479 --> 04:08:28.040
week, last month, I heard
some crazy shit happened. I'm back,

3168
04:08:28.319 --> 04:08:33.440
you know, And it's not really
about responding to the twists and turns of

3169
04:08:33.479 --> 04:08:35.920
the story. Sure they would pop
if if the lights went out when they

3170
04:08:35.959 --> 04:08:37.600
came back on, somebody knew was
in the building. But you didn't have

3171
04:08:37.639 --> 04:08:41.280
to watch the TV and follow the
promo I mean stories to get that right.

3172
04:08:41.399 --> 04:08:43.799
It was like it was like Jerry
Springer. It was like, you

3173
04:08:43.879 --> 04:08:48.399
know, you don't need to know
what's actually happening on Springer. You just

3174
04:08:48.479 --> 04:08:50.559
want to see some shit go down. Yeah, I wonder. I just

3175
04:08:50.799 --> 04:08:54.360
there's no way to recapture that.
I'm sure, like you know, the

3176
04:08:54.399 --> 04:08:56.920
people that are there every show,
watch all the TV and stuff, But

3177
04:08:56.319 --> 04:08:58.680
I feel like that, you know, when you see people respond to things

3178
04:08:58.680 --> 04:09:03.239
that happen in the arena, it
doesn't seem like they're responding to something they've

3179
04:09:03.319 --> 04:09:07.079
been led to respond to. It
seems like they're just responding to what's happening

3180
04:09:07.120 --> 04:09:09.760
in front of their eyes, regardless
of what the backstory, right, I

3181
04:09:09.840 --> 04:09:11.159
mean, but that that also you
know, in a in a weird way

3182
04:09:11.319 --> 04:09:18.200
that that again that to me is
could be a reason why they call that

3183
04:09:18.280 --> 04:09:24.200
why ECW ultimately suffered because they they
actually couldn't get people in on because because

3184
04:09:24.319 --> 04:09:28.719
basically what they're doing is this extreme
violence. It's going to get old after

3185
04:09:28.760 --> 04:09:33.799
a while. It's not gonna that
kind of thing you know, it does,

3186
04:09:33.840 --> 04:09:37.319
It's not going to keep people's attention
for because at some point you're going

3187
04:09:37.399 --> 04:09:43.120
to reach a level that you can't
really cross unless you start killing people in

3188
04:09:43.200 --> 04:09:48.879
the arena for sure. Well,
the violence and so you it's going to

3189
04:09:48.959 --> 04:09:52.319
get stale and it's people are going
to get bored with it after a while.

3190
04:09:52.440 --> 04:09:56.079
What I'm saying is they are doing
really good storytelling. I just don't

3191
04:09:56.120 --> 04:10:01.159
think the fans. That's that's That's
what I mean, Like like they there

3192
04:10:01.559 --> 04:10:07.200
is a the fan they can't get
get the fans to break through. Yes,

3193
04:10:07.840 --> 04:10:13.000
the violent, the violence glass ceiling
before you know it, like Jack

3194
04:10:13.079 --> 04:10:18.479
is jumping off sixty foot balconies right
thumb tas and it just becomes about upping,

3195
04:10:18.600 --> 04:10:24.520
you know, one upping yourself until
you and then and then again it

3196
04:10:24.639 --> 04:10:30.040
comes to point where you can't do
it without causing real, real harm to

3197
04:10:30.159 --> 04:10:35.719
somebody's body or you know, person, characters would get over. I mean,

3198
04:10:35.760 --> 04:10:39.440
I went to enough ECW house shows. I'm not denying that, but

3199
04:10:39.600 --> 04:10:43.239
it's but I'm gonna argue with you. I was just adding an extra point.

3200
04:10:43.319 --> 04:10:46.920
It's like people did show up feeling
some kind of way about the characters,

3201
04:10:46.959 --> 04:10:50.040
and they would buy their T shirts. I just don't know if the

3202
04:10:50.159 --> 04:10:54.799
beats of the storyline was really you
know, coursing through the arena. It

3203
04:10:54.920 --> 04:10:56.680
was more just like, all right, this guy's awesome. This guy did

3204
04:10:56.719 --> 04:11:01.040
some crazy shit. This guy you
said, some crazy shit, right,

3205
04:11:01.200 --> 04:11:03.000
and we love them or we hate
him, and now we're gonna, you

3206
04:11:03.079 --> 04:11:05.760
know, watch him do his thing. We're gonna watch him put his his

3207
04:11:07.000 --> 04:11:09.760
his brand of violence on display.
It wasn't so much all these two hate

3208
04:11:09.760 --> 04:11:13.399
each other and they're gonna meet again, you know. It was more like

3209
04:11:13.520 --> 04:11:16.639
even the even the Mike Awesome Asato
Tanaka series, which of course you know,

3210
04:11:16.760 --> 04:11:18.680
did language barriers, wasn't a big
promo fewd anyway, but it really

3211
04:11:18.760 --> 04:11:20.639
was just like, oh, I
remember, they've done crazy shit before,

3212
04:11:20.680 --> 04:11:22.760
They're going to do crazy shit again. Let's be there for it. It

3213
04:11:22.879 --> 04:11:26.360
wasn't like, oh, this match
means a lot because they've been building it.

3214
04:11:26.559 --> 04:11:31.079
They did get that. I will
say they absolutely achieved that with Taz

3215
04:11:31.120 --> 04:11:33.719
and Sabu at the first pay per
view. They absolutely made that match be

3216
04:11:33.840 --> 04:11:39.600
more about the backstory and the dynamic
between the two than showing up to see,

3217
04:11:39.680 --> 04:11:41.520
you know, the latest chapter of
their hijinks in the ring. So

3218
04:11:43.000 --> 04:11:46.479
they It happened a couple of times, but not as much as I feel

3219
04:11:46.520 --> 04:11:50.559
like these guys who wax nostalgic by
ECW would like to think just because great

3220
04:11:50.600 --> 04:11:54.200
promos were cut doesn't mean that that
was part of the energy in the building,

3221
04:11:54.520 --> 04:11:58.079
you know. I just I feel
like there's a disconnect. I could

3222
04:11:58.079 --> 04:12:00.520
be wrong, but I just feel
like there's a disconnect there because we've heard

3223
04:12:00.600 --> 04:12:03.680
already some great promos from from mcfoley
and Terry Funk is part of this and

3224
04:12:05.280 --> 04:12:07.680
the people need to be waiting for
crazy shit and not like right, you

3225
04:12:07.760 --> 04:12:11.879
know, and that's that's it.
Like if you know, if you can't

3226
04:12:11.680 --> 04:12:22.280
get behind the person you're you,
you become too reliant on the gimmick.

3227
04:12:22.399 --> 04:12:24.840
Yeah right, yeah, it was. It was sort of it was too

3228
04:12:26.000 --> 04:12:28.879
rare for ecw to achieve the dynamic
where people showed up to the building hoping

3229
04:12:30.040 --> 04:12:35.239
a wrestler, one a particular wrestler, one that that as opposed to seeing

3230
04:12:35.239 --> 04:12:39.159
something crazy twist and turn a rooting
interest. They had that with Van Dam

3231
04:12:39.200 --> 04:12:41.239
towards the end, where people really
wanted to see him win the world title,

3232
04:12:41.280 --> 04:12:43.760
which he held the TV title forever
and ever and was just like that

3233
04:12:45.120 --> 04:12:48.719
that icy champ that everybody thought should
be the world champ and were waiting for

3234
04:12:48.840 --> 04:12:52.239
that moment. They wanted to see
him win. They wanted to see Taz

3235
04:12:52.280 --> 04:12:54.239
win the world title. I remember
from Shane Douglass at that innerarchy. I

3236
04:12:54.280 --> 04:12:58.079
think it was anarchy rules. Whenever
he finally won the world title, they

3237
04:12:58.120 --> 04:13:01.239
were good about that with their world
title picture. I feel like, but

3238
04:13:03.159 --> 04:13:05.000
the rest of the card, I
don't really think like anyone cared who won,

3239
04:13:05.239 --> 04:13:07.479
Like that public enemy match against the
door the funks. Do you think

3240
04:13:07.520 --> 04:13:11.319
anybody in that building cared who won
that match? I don't think so,

3241
04:13:11.559 --> 04:13:13.479
you know, I don't think.
I don't know. I don't think.

3242
04:13:13.639 --> 04:13:16.360
I don't think they it's weird.
I don't think they care. I don't

3243
04:13:16.360 --> 04:13:22.120
think they cared who won. I
also think they probably just presumed that the

3244
04:13:22.200 --> 04:13:24.959
Funks were going to win. Could
be that too, but they didn't,

3245
04:13:24.639 --> 04:13:28.040
you know, and so you're not. Oh, the public Enemy was pushed

3246
04:13:28.079 --> 04:13:31.360
like monsters, though they probably expected
public Enemy to win. Maybe maybe in

3247
04:13:31.520 --> 04:13:35.040
terms of things. So, but
we have many more, much more color

3248
04:13:35.079 --> 04:13:39.399
here from Mick Foley. Yep uh. Referee Jim Mullano's voice, stop me,

3249
04:13:41.079 --> 04:13:43.639
Cactus, checked, this is ECW
There's no such thing as a no

3250
04:13:43.799 --> 04:13:46.440
contest. I thought about that and
came up with a solution. Then do

3251
04:13:46.600 --> 04:13:50.959
your job and count me out.
I counted. Milano was feeling daring.

3252
04:13:52.319 --> 04:13:54.719
He got on the mic and said, Cactus, why are you being such

3253
04:13:54.760 --> 04:13:58.959
a pussy? Whoa hold on here, Jim, Pussy is a fighting word.

3254
04:14:00.319 --> 04:14:03.879
Chuck cheese Man had proved that in
the Chris Anderson altercation back in seventy

3255
04:14:03.959 --> 04:14:07.920
seven. Still it wasn't enough.
I continued my walk to the back.

3256
04:14:07.040 --> 04:14:09.680
It is pretty funny to have a
referee call a wrestler a pussy on the

3257
04:14:09.719 --> 04:14:16.440
microphone. This all sounds great to
me. With Milano's not counting out,

3258
04:14:16.520 --> 04:14:20.079
came Billo Fonso, better known as
Phonsie. No not the Fonzie who made

3259
04:14:20.120 --> 04:14:26.760
up a story about having relatives in
Wakisha, Wakisha, Waukesha. I don't

3260
04:14:26.760 --> 04:14:30.520
know, because he was too proud
to accept Britchie's invitation to have Christmas dinner

3261
04:14:30.879 --> 04:14:35.360
with mister c No. Not the
Fonzie who's I get it you're talking about,

3262
04:14:35.920 --> 04:14:41.239
Okay, I don't. Not the
Fonsie who's crashed into the kitchen stand

3263
04:14:41.319 --> 04:14:45.159
outside Arnold's, messed up his confidence
so bad that he almost never wrote his

3264
04:14:45.239 --> 04:14:46.959
back again. No, not the
Fonsie who had to break it off with

3265
04:14:48.040 --> 04:14:52.520
Pinky because he didn't want to didn't
want to go through life as miss as

3266
04:14:52.840 --> 04:14:56.479
mister Tuscadero. This Fonsie was a
referee who had earned the hatred of the

3267
04:14:56.600 --> 04:15:03.159
fans by actually enforcing the rules.
Phonsie had only three teeth in his mouth,

3268
04:15:05.079 --> 04:15:07.920
and they were rotten, but he
was still a hell of a referee,

3269
04:15:07.200 --> 04:15:11.840
and he had the Pennsylvania State rule
Book in his hands. Phonsie got

3270
04:15:11.879 --> 04:15:15.479
on the mic and in his high
pitched, whiny nails on a chalk poured

3271
04:15:15.600 --> 04:15:20.600
voice, pled completed my case.
Not only is it in the Pennsylvania State

3272
04:15:20.680 --> 04:15:24.959
rule Book, but it is Cactus
Jack's constitutional right to be counted out if

3273
04:15:26.000 --> 04:15:30.799
he so desires one, two,
three, four. The fans were getting

3274
04:15:30.840 --> 04:15:35.559
hot as this was shaping up to
be the worst ECW main event since Cactus

3275
04:15:35.680 --> 04:15:41.319
Versus Drake five six, seven.
Funk had seen enough. If you count

3276
04:15:41.440 --> 04:15:45.840
one more number, then I'm gonna
knock your goddamn dick in the dirt.

3277
04:15:50.040 --> 04:15:54.200
Phonsie looked at the washed up textan
and spoke his mind. I'm not afraid

3278
04:15:54.239 --> 04:15:56.159
of the fans, I'm not afraid
of Tommy Dreamer, and I'm certainly not

3279
04:15:56.239 --> 04:16:00.639
afraid of you, Terry Funk.
It is Cactus. He asked constitutional right

3280
04:16:00.920 --> 04:16:04.920
to be counted out, and I'm
gonna do it. Phronsie looked contemptuously at

3281
04:16:06.000 --> 04:16:14.000
Funk and continued his constitutionally allowed count
eight bam down went Phronsie to a stiff

3282
04:16:14.120 --> 04:16:17.680
left hand Funk gun on the mic
and attempted to lure me into a fight,

3283
04:16:18.200 --> 04:16:22.959
using the same psychology he'd used on
Bullet Bob on Armstrong. Cactus Jack,

3284
04:16:23.440 --> 04:16:29.360
You're a goddamn coward, you son
of a bitesh I remained in the

3285
04:16:29.440 --> 04:16:33.440
back. Your wife is a whoreh
still in the back. Your mother is

3286
04:16:33.520 --> 04:16:40.280
a horror nothing. Your children are
both hors that should have done it,

3287
04:16:40.440 --> 04:16:45.159
but nothing I could not be broken. The funker had one more ace up

3288
04:16:45.239 --> 04:16:53.040
his sleeve. Huh Bischoff is a
homo that did it? Erry comes,

3289
04:16:53.079 --> 04:16:57.079
mister w CW. I was out
from behind the curtain in a flash to

3290
04:16:57.159 --> 04:17:03.239
defend my main I meant business as
I hit the ring, but as I

3291
04:17:03.280 --> 04:17:08.280
got to the blasphemous funk Dreamer stepped
in front and started peppering me with big

3292
04:17:10.360 --> 04:17:30.639
rights Bam bam, bam bam Bigelow
the crowd bam bam exactly. That reminds

3293
04:17:30.680 --> 04:17:33.360
me of VCW. You know why. It was one of the fam one

3294
04:17:33.399 --> 04:17:37.000
of the more famous commercials. I
remember that they would plug all the home

3295
04:17:37.079 --> 04:17:38.319
videos on. It must have been
on a tape that I had and watched

3296
04:17:38.319 --> 04:17:41.719
a million times at Joey Styles,
who did the voiceover, and they would

3297
04:17:41.719 --> 04:17:45.239
show different scenes from the these W
home video releases on the market. They

3298
04:17:45.280 --> 04:17:51.840
were marketing a match where uh Bgelow
wrestled Terry Gordy. I think in ECW

3299
04:17:52.200 --> 04:17:55.200
or someone wrestled Terry Gordy, and
I remember the way Styles said it,

3300
04:17:55.440 --> 04:18:03.120
Terry Bam bam Gordy. I think
that's the same one where the night Kimona

3301
04:18:03.200 --> 04:18:11.079
Juana Leya danced atop the CW arena, and they had Brian Lee chokeslam Tommy

3302
04:18:11.120 --> 04:18:15.879
Dreamer off a scaffold through like twenty
tables or whatever, like three four tables

3303
04:18:15.879 --> 04:18:21.760
stacked. Jesus, those are the
days, man. I guess, I

3304
04:18:21.879 --> 04:18:26.479
guess, uh I mean? And
I was doing my best to make each

3305
04:18:26.520 --> 04:18:29.559
one look like look it's most devastating. Some people didn't seem to get the

3306
04:18:29.600 --> 04:18:32.840
concept of the match and gave it
low marks. I guess if they were

3307
04:18:32.920 --> 04:18:36.159
looking at it as a standard match, it wasn't that good. But in

3308
04:18:36.280 --> 04:18:40.520
my view, anytime you can get
the ECW crowd oohing and eye and getting

3309
04:18:40.520 --> 04:18:45.559
out of their seat and their final
match using only punches, you're getting something

3310
04:18:45.920 --> 04:18:51.079
right. At this point, Raven
made his presence known by using his steel

3311
04:18:51.200 --> 04:18:55.319
chair on both Funks and Dreamers backs. With Funk down, Raven pulled out

3312
04:18:55.360 --> 04:18:59.079
two foreign objects, a ten pound
weight and a roll of athletic tape.

3313
04:18:59.239 --> 04:19:02.719
Slowly, I lift my foot while
he taped the weight to the top of

3314
04:19:02.799 --> 04:19:07.559
my foot. This was great unless
the funker was also doubling his iron balls

3315
04:19:07.639 --> 04:19:11.479
McGinty. He was going to go
down. Sure enough, I kicked the

3316
04:19:11.559 --> 04:19:15.600
field goal with Terry's testicles, and
the wounded Texan was helped to the back.

3317
04:19:15.079 --> 04:19:18.200
Tommy was all alone now and about
to find out what hardcore was all

3318
04:19:18.239 --> 04:19:23.760
about. Raven and I doubled on
him until Funk miraculously returned carrying his flaming,

3319
04:19:25.000 --> 04:19:29.760
branding iron. Raven and I peeled
off Dreamer and led Funk one by

3320
04:19:29.879 --> 04:19:33.520
one for shots to the back and
stomach. The arena was whipped into a

3321
04:19:33.600 --> 04:19:37.520
frenzy. Our quest for righteousness was
not to be denied, however, as

3322
04:19:37.600 --> 04:19:41.760
referee Bill Alfonso, who had been
taken to the back after suffering his one

3323
04:19:41.840 --> 04:19:45.120
punch knockout, re emerged with a
weapon of his own. It was my

3324
04:19:45.280 --> 04:19:55.079
old trusty stand by the fire chair
with the fuck ear we go. I

3325
04:19:55.239 --> 04:19:57.920
was handed the unlit chair and knocked
Terry down with a nice shot to the

3326
04:19:59.040 --> 04:20:02.719
head. Dream returned as well and
was dropped with a crushing blow to the

3327
04:20:02.799 --> 04:20:10.639
skull that was lessened only slightly by
the kerosene soaked towel. How are you

3328
04:20:10.760 --> 04:20:15.639
were an aftershafe? No, it's
kerosene. The rope is soaked in it.

3329
04:20:17.600 --> 04:20:22.079
Wow? Would somebody uh? Drathan
touched Funk's iron to the towel and

3330
04:20:22.239 --> 04:20:26.959
the firechair lived again in the ecw
arena. I looked at Funk, who

3331
04:20:27.079 --> 04:20:32.120
was flat on his belly. I
raised the chair slowly and could feel the

3332
04:20:32.280 --> 04:20:37.360
heat on my arms as I came
down with my swing. Dreamer made a

3333
04:20:37.479 --> 04:20:41.799
die for Funk and used his body
as a shield to spare Terry the blazing

3334
04:20:41.879 --> 04:20:47.120
consequences. The effect was awesome.
Dreamer had seemingly risked his life to save

3335
04:20:47.239 --> 04:20:51.000
the fallen Funker, and the crowd
loved him for it. Everything was going

3336
04:20:51.040 --> 04:20:56.120
great when I heard Terry's voice Pick
it up again. Terry mumbled in a

3337
04:20:56.200 --> 04:20:59.079
voice so low that I could barely
hear it above the roar of the crowd.

3338
04:21:00.680 --> 04:21:03.680
I asked, use it again,
yes, Terry, he reiterated.

3339
04:21:04.360 --> 04:21:08.159
I picked up the fire chair and
slowly raise it again. Terry was getting

3340
04:21:08.200 --> 04:21:11.760
to his feet, and I stalled
to give him more time. When he

3341
04:21:11.879 --> 04:21:15.799
was fully standing, I slowly charged
him with the chair. I could see

3342
04:21:15.879 --> 04:21:18.360
he was bailing out of the ring, so I started a slow swing that

3343
04:21:18.399 --> 04:21:22.520
I knew wouldn't come near him.
All I wanted to do. All I

3344
04:21:22.600 --> 04:21:25.840
wanted was to hit the ropes with
the fire chair and give the impression that

3345
04:21:25.959 --> 04:21:30.920
I was trying that. I was
trying for Terry. Before my shocked eyes,

3346
04:21:30.920 --> 04:21:36.159
I saw our plan fall to pieces. What appeared to be a giant

3347
04:21:36.280 --> 04:21:42.479
fireball flew off the chair, instantly
ignited Terry, who was bent over by

3348
04:21:42.559 --> 04:21:48.760
the ring apron. My first thought
was to save him. I completely abandoned

3349
04:21:48.799 --> 04:21:52.000
my character and my storyline and dove
through the ropes to try to put out

3350
04:21:52.120 --> 04:22:00.360
Terry brother. Yeah, excuse me. I knew that flames had about three

3351
04:22:00.440 --> 04:22:03.680
seconds of contact time before they really
did their damage. Terry was up to

3352
04:22:03.760 --> 04:22:07.479
at least two. I took off
after Terry, but he was running like

3353
04:22:07.600 --> 04:22:15.360
a madman. You get a picture
of that son of a bitch. He's

3354
04:22:15.399 --> 04:22:23.959
like melting at his own skeleton.
Oh fuck, I happened again. To

3355
04:22:25.079 --> 04:22:26.920
this day, I try to relive
these events in my mind and try to

3356
04:22:26.959 --> 04:22:33.600
figure out why I couldn't catch him. He's probably probably half him in his

3357
04:22:33.680 --> 04:22:37.079
mind. He's like, don't put
me out right, don't put me out

3358
04:22:37.319 --> 04:22:47.319
right. It's a good angle coctus. He's burning to death. Okay,

3359
04:22:47.440 --> 04:22:51.120
I'm talking stolen golf. Don't put
me out and then he goes with the

3360
04:22:51.200 --> 04:22:56.079
last breath as he realizes he's gonna
die coctas. Do you like now,

3361
04:22:56.239 --> 04:23:06.239
Terry? Oh? What I have
died in this fucking bingo hall cactus.

3362
04:23:06.319 --> 04:23:15.760
I went ahead and burned alive.
Oh, I went ahead and burned alive.

3363
04:23:15.920 --> 04:23:21.040
That's another lapsed funk t shirt.
If you ask me, all the

3364
04:23:21.200 --> 04:23:29.239
hell what a head and burn my
ass? Or as the AI put it

3365
04:23:29.280 --> 04:23:30.440
on, went ahead so much,
I don't even know where I am.

3366
04:23:38.040 --> 04:23:45.639
Oh shit, this is fucking It's
insane. This is insane. Was he

3367
04:23:45.760 --> 04:23:48.559
moving too fast to catch or was
I simply a coward under pressure? The

3368
04:23:48.719 --> 04:23:52.280
question still haunts me. I do
remember thinking I've got to catch him,

3369
04:23:52.280 --> 04:23:56.760
and then wondering what do I do
once I'm there. I had no answers.

3370
04:23:56.159 --> 04:24:00.120
I wish I could point to a
burn on my body and say this

3371
04:24:00.239 --> 04:24:03.600
is where I saved my hero Terry
Funk. But all I had the show

3372
04:24:03.680 --> 04:24:07.479
for it is a heavy conscience.
I remember thinking he's gone, Terry's gone

3373
04:24:08.200 --> 04:24:12.280
before fate or God or luck lent
him a hand. The fire seemed to

3374
04:24:12.399 --> 04:24:17.600
roll off Terry's shoulders as if by
magic, and Terry collapsed to the floor

3375
04:24:18.440 --> 04:24:22.920
and actuality a fireball had not flown
off the chair and Terry himself had not

3376
04:24:22.079 --> 04:24:26.760
become ignited. Instead, the towel
that was on fire had flown off the

3377
04:24:26.879 --> 04:24:33.079
chair and landed on his back.
The towel had been burning, not Terry

3378
04:24:33.159 --> 04:24:37.360
the towel, although I'm sure that
was this That was small comfort to Terry

3379
04:24:37.399 --> 04:24:41.200
as he was helped to the dressing
room. When I got to the back,

3380
04:24:41.319 --> 04:24:45.559
Terry was on a rampage. His
right arm had been severely burned,

3381
04:24:45.600 --> 04:24:48.239
and he was more than a little
annoyed about it. The funker was throwing

3382
04:24:48.319 --> 04:24:53.399
furniture, and there were some pretty
tough guys cowering in fear of the ticked

3383
04:24:53.440 --> 04:25:00.639
off Texan and a host of flying
chairs, fans and tables. I wish

3384
04:25:00.680 --> 04:25:04.639
he was throwing fans. I adore
the notion that when things don't go right

3385
04:25:04.719 --> 04:25:07.479
in the ring and Terry gets hurt, that he goes to the back and

3386
04:25:07.600 --> 04:25:11.920
takes it out on Oh yeah,
objects. You know you know that he

3387
04:25:11.000 --> 04:25:15.840
does that at home too, Absolutely, God, God damnit, Terry.

3388
04:25:15.959 --> 04:25:22.399
What are you fucking doing now?
Oh you know, Terry? Women ahead,

3389
04:25:22.639 --> 04:25:27.440
Vicky, oh ahead, Oh you
know what, go ahead and kill

3390
04:25:27.520 --> 04:25:33.520
yourself, Terry. I don't have
time for this ship. You're ruining the

3391
04:25:33.680 --> 04:25:41.760
house. You're gonna go ahead and
ruin the house. You can just throw

3392
04:25:41.959 --> 04:25:47.959
trash cans and stationary and and fucking
you know, Terry, you can't just

3393
04:25:48.120 --> 04:25:56.760
throw the cow jumpside down. He's
throwing them. Bitch, we're having God

3394
04:25:56.040 --> 04:26:00.879
damn it, Vicky, God damn
it, I can't have hair gain for

3395
04:26:00.040 --> 04:26:07.920
dinner. She's like, Terry,
it's turkey, Terry, I'm roasting a

3396
04:26:07.000 --> 04:26:11.760
goddamn turkey. It's Sunday dinner.
The kids are coming up. What the

3397
04:26:11.239 --> 04:26:22.200
fuck are you doing? What?
God damn it? Vision you know,

3398
04:26:22.440 --> 04:26:26.799
you know what, Terry, I'm
out. I am out. Hold on,

3399
04:26:26.760 --> 04:26:32.000
he said in the Cauldron of Intensity. He goes, goddamn it,

3400
04:26:32.200 --> 04:26:42.000
Vicky, that his face think of
it now? Yeah, I know this

3401
04:26:42.159 --> 04:26:47.319
fucking string curly hair, you know, kind of like floating in the wind.

3402
04:26:47.440 --> 04:26:52.799
You know, it doesn't actually fucking
gope. It's like it's always slowly

3403
04:26:52.959 --> 04:26:56.600
being being like manipulated by the wind. It never actually goes fast like normal

3404
04:26:56.639 --> 04:27:03.639
people's hair lapsed funk trivia Did Terry
go after ECW ahead? Where did Terry

3405
04:27:03.719 --> 04:27:12.040
go after winning the World's Championship ad? What did al Snow turn to when

3406
04:27:12.079 --> 04:27:21.440
he needed a makeover? Head a
head head. Oh shit, uh me?

3407
04:27:22.040 --> 04:27:25.360
Uh tables. As I approached Terry, I could see that his wife,

3408
04:27:25.440 --> 04:27:30.840
Vicky was crying. Oh life is
never easy for a wrestler's wife,

3409
04:27:30.879 --> 04:27:34.799
but for Vicky, who had already
seen her husband injured countless times, this

3410
04:27:36.079 --> 04:27:38.680
night was especially traumatic. I didn't
know what to say, and as it

3411
04:27:38.799 --> 04:27:42.559
turned out, my choice of words
was not all that comforting. Are you

3412
04:27:42.680 --> 04:27:48.040
all right? I asked, and
was met by a flying chair and a

3413
04:27:48.120 --> 04:27:52.959
string of obscenities even my dad would
have envied. Goddamn mother fucker, there's

3414
04:27:52.000 --> 04:27:56.120
no excuse for that shit, you
son of a bet. Oh so good.

3415
04:27:56.680 --> 04:28:03.280
I went ahead and fucking killed you
again. My words and not all

3416
04:28:03.399 --> 04:28:07.440
that soothing. Sorry, Terry,
He looked at me with rage in his

3417
04:28:07.559 --> 04:28:11.280
eyes. You damn well bell to
be sorry, you son of a bitch.

3418
04:28:11.680 --> 04:28:15.360
He tried to calm him down,
but it was no use, so

3419
04:28:15.600 --> 04:28:21.200
she tried to calm me down instead. Terrence is just upset. It doesn't

3420
04:28:21.200 --> 04:28:23.760
say Terrence, it says Terrence.
Oh fucking hell, it's not even his

3421
04:28:23.920 --> 04:28:30.200
name. Terrence is just upset,
she assured me in her West Texas drawl.

3422
04:28:30.600 --> 04:28:33.200
You just go home, He'll be
all right. I went home,

3423
04:28:33.360 --> 04:28:37.120
but I was an emotional wreck.
I swore to myself that I was going

3424
04:28:37.200 --> 04:28:41.799
to quit wrestling, But by the
time I reached Staten Island and I decided

3425
04:28:41.120 --> 04:28:45.000
that I just wouldn't wrestle in this
country anymore. Yeah, this sounds like

3426
04:28:45.159 --> 04:28:48.239
it sounds like Terry Funking ninety seven. Yeah, what do you? What

3427
04:28:48.280 --> 04:28:51.840
do you say? What are you
Brett Hart too? You're not going to

3428
04:28:51.879 --> 04:28:55.440
wrestle in America. By the time
I got home, I was thinking that

3429
04:28:55.520 --> 04:28:57.959
we could probably cut some promos on
each other over this. Still, I

3430
04:28:59.040 --> 04:29:02.760
was very upset when I told Colette
about the night's events. Unbeknownst to me,

3431
04:29:03.360 --> 04:29:07.639
Terry had checked out of the hospital
later that night and come back to

3432
04:29:07.719 --> 04:29:11.520
the arena to cut promos for the
next month's match. And that's that's a

3433
04:29:11.559 --> 04:29:15.159
key thing to point out. These
great promos were seeing these are cut after

3434
04:29:15.319 --> 04:29:18.319
they did an arena show, and
they stuck around to like three in the

3435
04:29:18.360 --> 04:29:22.319
morning shooting promo. Jesus, can
you imagine after doing That's why he looked

3436
04:29:22.360 --> 04:29:27.520
so fucking nutty like that when we
saw that promo on the video, like

3437
04:29:27.639 --> 04:29:30.760
he looked he looked, he looked
like it was in the middle of the

3438
04:29:30.840 --> 04:29:33.399
night because it probably was, and
they all had the bandages from the fresh

3439
04:29:33.440 --> 04:29:37.959
gig marks from the match. Oh
yeah, that's crazy that they would just

3440
04:29:37.079 --> 04:29:42.239
like have these kind of like balls
to the wall, violent explosive you know,

3441
04:29:44.000 --> 04:29:48.000
exertions and then calm all the way
down and cut promos hours and hours

3442
04:29:48.079 --> 04:29:53.600
later in the empty Buildingsane. Oh
they did business. Yes, go buy

3443
04:29:53.680 --> 04:29:59.000
Polly's parents house and cut promos too, because he had a That's where Jost

3444
04:29:59.559 --> 04:30:03.520
stand up right right. The next
morning, I made sure that I called

3445
04:30:03.600 --> 04:30:06.159
Terry's house. I knew he wouldn't
be home, but I wanted to make

3446
04:30:06.239 --> 04:30:08.239
sure that my voice was the first
one he heard when he turned on his

3447
04:30:08.319 --> 04:30:11.680
answering machine. I went out for
the day, and when I came home,

3448
04:30:11.799 --> 04:30:15.760
he had left a message. I
was relieved to hear that he wasn't

3449
04:30:15.879 --> 04:30:18.479
yelling, but had gone back to
the whisper mumble that I knew so well.

3450
04:30:19.079 --> 04:30:25.280
Hello coctus, this is Terry Funk. It's this guy a total legend,

3451
04:30:25.479 --> 04:30:29.639
I mean a complete legend. He
can't he can't fucking he calls him

3452
04:30:30.079 --> 04:30:34.159
first all he calls he calls fully
cactus, but he has to say his

3453
04:30:34.399 --> 04:30:38.399
full name. That's correct, It's
Terry Funk. And I just wanted to

3454
04:30:38.440 --> 04:30:41.639
say that, I that I acted
like a damn fool, and I'm sorry.

3455
04:30:42.319 --> 04:30:47.079
It wasn't your fault, it wasn't
my fault, it wasn't anybody's fault.

3456
04:30:47.120 --> 04:30:51.639
It just happened. But god damn, we sure did give him something

3457
04:30:51.719 --> 04:30:55.639
to talk about, didn't we.
And I'm sure people are going to be

3458
04:30:55.719 --> 04:30:59.840
talking about this for a long long
time. Goba, Cactus Jack and dope

3459
04:31:00.040 --> 04:31:03.520
any tension to what I said last
night. I'm just an old fool.

3460
04:31:06.239 --> 04:31:08.200
I mean, this is the greatest
human being never walked the place of the

3461
04:31:08.239 --> 04:31:11.120
ear. Oh my good. I
liked the message so much that I played

3462
04:31:11.120 --> 04:31:15.000
it for Collette. I saw her
eyes well up with tears as she listened

3463
04:31:15.000 --> 04:31:19.120
to kindly old uncle Terry. He
really is a nice man, she said

3464
04:31:19.159 --> 04:31:22.520
as she handed me the phone.
Isn't to murder your husband, which he

3465
04:31:22.520 --> 04:31:27.360
had every right to. I saved
that message for a long time. Amazing,

3466
04:31:27.879 --> 04:31:32.760
so well told, as everything is
in Jesus mixed books. But he

3467
04:31:32.920 --> 04:31:36.840
also told a version of this story
on the day I said the aforementioned roast

3468
04:31:36.879 --> 04:31:40.079
of Terry Funk, and I thought, since it's such a legendary story and

3469
04:31:40.600 --> 04:31:44.239
says so much about Terry in this
point of his life. Are and how

3470
04:31:44.280 --> 04:31:48.040
he formed a bond with mcfoley that
proved really you know, defining what we'll

3471
04:31:48.040 --> 04:31:52.120
play him saying it in his own
words as well. Put them together with

3472
04:31:52.280 --> 04:31:56.959
the moment at the ECW arena.
Paully liked to talk about the November to

3473
04:31:56.079 --> 04:32:03.680
remember, I called this the October
to forget. Thankfully, I believe I've

3474
04:32:03.719 --> 04:32:06.639
met him thirty times. His name
is Mike, right, he testified at

3475
04:32:06.680 --> 04:32:11.879
our trial the damnest thing. Oh
thank you, Mike, from the bottom

3476
04:32:11.959 --> 04:32:18.040
of my wallet. Thank you.
And if Terry, if you remember,

3477
04:32:18.799 --> 04:32:23.360
I mean the guy may have had
reasonable cause to file a suit. He

3478
04:32:23.600 --> 04:32:29.760
was at an arena. He did
get burned, despite what we maintained during

3479
04:32:29.799 --> 04:32:33.760
the course of the trial. If
you look at it, when those photos

3480
04:32:33.760 --> 04:32:36.280
of the ring came back, there
was about a foot and a half between

3481
04:32:36.360 --> 04:32:38.639
the ring and the guardrails because they
were trying to wedge as many people in

3482
04:32:38.680 --> 04:32:47.000
that ECW arena as they could,
am I right, and now only in

3483
04:32:47.079 --> 04:32:52.040
ECW would you worry that the chair
you were going to set on fire during

3484
04:32:52.120 --> 04:32:56.920
the match would be overshadowed by the
table that was set in fire the match

3485
04:32:56.040 --> 04:33:03.120
before you went on. So I
know I gave that chair an extra squirt

3486
04:33:03.159 --> 04:33:06.159
of lighter fluid before we went out, and I don't think I was alone.

3487
04:33:07.200 --> 04:33:08.959
But yet, when Terry was trying
to lure me back into the ring

3488
04:33:10.080 --> 04:33:18.159
after I had feigned a hand injury
by saying to me, Cactus Jack,

3489
04:33:19.840 --> 04:33:33.000
your wife is a whole cactus,
did not materialize your children at that time.

3490
04:33:33.040 --> 04:33:38.520
There are only two of them.
Your children are bastards, no Cactus

3491
04:33:38.639 --> 04:33:53.360
Jack, and Eric Bischoff is a
home home somewhere in the courser vants Raven

3492
04:33:53.479 --> 04:33:56.959
taped a five pound plate to my
foot and I kicked Terry in the nuts.

3493
04:33:57.720 --> 04:34:00.560
I move. I cannot believe it
have not been replicated since then,

3494
04:34:02.680 --> 04:34:07.759
so simple and honest, and I
picked up that chair. We set it

3495
04:34:07.840 --> 04:34:12.479
alight, and in an incredible act
of bravery, Tommy Dreamer dove on top

3496
04:34:12.520 --> 04:34:17.520
of Terry just as I was swinging
that chair and sacrificed his body. He

3497
04:34:17.639 --> 04:34:19.919
could not have gone better until I
swear, you know, this was the

3498
04:34:21.000 --> 04:34:25.880
point of contention during the trial.
I thought I heard the words Terry swore

3499
04:34:25.959 --> 04:34:30.560
under oath he never said the words, but I thought he said he knows

3500
04:34:30.599 --> 04:34:42.959
it again. I never said that. I've never said that. That's what

3501
04:34:44.080 --> 04:34:47.799
I thought I heard. I remember
vividly thinking, but how the thing was

3502
04:34:47.840 --> 04:34:51.400
a blaze, and I picked it
up very gingerly, and I thought,

3503
04:34:51.439 --> 04:34:53.759
I don't want to hit this guy. And when I swung it, Terry

3504
04:34:53.840 --> 04:34:59.599
jumped out of the ring and it
appeared to my eyes like a giant fireball,

3505
04:34:59.720 --> 04:35:03.040
flew off the chair and ignited him
instantly. Luckily, it was only

3506
04:35:03.159 --> 04:35:07.080
the towel that was on fire that
landed on Terry's back, so instead of

3507
04:35:07.159 --> 04:35:14.919
engulfing him, it only caused I
believe, severe secondary burns, severe secondary

3508
04:35:15.000 --> 04:35:21.680
burns. And when I walked to
the back, Terry was throwing large pieces

3509
04:35:21.720 --> 04:35:30.080
of furniture with astonishing ease, using
words that even we hear at this roast

3510
04:35:30.159 --> 04:35:38.680
have not heard to describe his feelings
for me. And despite this intense scene

3511
04:35:38.720 --> 04:35:45.479
that had taken place, and in
spite of this genuine show and outpouring of

3512
04:35:45.560 --> 04:35:56.080
emotion, I remember vividly thinking to
myself, what a fucking baby the liner.

3513
04:36:07.680 --> 04:36:11.080
I swore to myself I'd never wrestle
again. By the time I got

3514
04:36:11.119 --> 04:36:15.520
to New Jersey. I swore I
only wrestle in Japan, and by the

3515
04:36:15.599 --> 04:36:21.240
time I got home, I thought
it wasn't that bad. And the next

3516
04:36:21.360 --> 04:36:25.200
day there was a voice message and
it said, I did I did feel

3517
04:36:25.240 --> 04:36:30.119
bad, man, I felt really
bad. If anyone saw our pay per

3518
04:36:30.240 --> 04:36:33.360
view where I wrestled Abyss. I
still feel kind of bad about that whole

3519
04:36:34.200 --> 04:36:48.439
Daphne thing as well. Did you
see that? And there was a message

3520
04:36:48.439 --> 04:36:52.439
on my machine and I said,
guess this is this is Terry Funk.

3521
04:36:52.520 --> 04:36:55.919
And I just want to say,
Ah, I don't know. I'm an

3522
04:36:55.919 --> 04:36:59.560
old fool, don't I don't listen
to me. But uh we we sure

3523
04:36:59.639 --> 04:37:03.720
gave him something to talk about,
didn't we. And we did give him

3524
04:37:03.759 --> 04:37:07.599
something to talk about, and Terry
Funk and I think gave people something to

3525
04:37:07.720 --> 04:37:14.759
talk about for a very long time. Had you do notice in that retailling

3526
04:37:14.840 --> 04:37:22.439
years later that he kept mentioning a
trial boss. Yeah, because at the

3527
04:37:22.479 --> 04:37:27.919
time of his writing have a Nice
Day, it had not yet fully commenced

3528
04:37:29.040 --> 04:37:33.000
in the civil court in Philadelphia.
But indeed, a fan in attendance at

3529
04:37:33.000 --> 04:37:38.520
this ECW event sued Extreme Championship Wrestling, Terry Funk, Nick Foley, and

3530
04:37:38.599 --> 04:37:41.919
a host of others, the building, the management company, I think,

3531
04:37:44.000 --> 04:37:48.319
for suffering an injury as a result
of this. Now there's a lot to

3532
04:37:48.439 --> 04:37:53.759
say about that particular bit of business. One of the most important things to

3533
04:37:53.840 --> 04:37:59.799
know is that video of this incident
does not exist. This is not something

3534
04:37:59.840 --> 04:38:03.000
that has ever surfaced. There are
still photographs that you can find of fully

3535
04:38:03.040 --> 04:38:07.520
wielding the flaming chair, and it
just boggles my mind because one of the

3536
04:38:07.599 --> 04:38:12.080
great things about ECW, and perhaps
this hadn't quite started yet, but I

3537
04:38:12.119 --> 04:38:17.759
think it had honestly, because there's
plenty of fancam from ninety five out there

3538
04:38:18.880 --> 04:38:22.759
is that Rob Feinstein and our video
would go around the country and they would

3539
04:38:22.840 --> 04:38:26.000
handicam shoot every ECW house show and
put it for sale through our video.

3540
04:38:26.400 --> 04:38:29.840
So if you went to an ECW
show, no matter where it was,

3541
04:38:29.959 --> 04:38:34.599
you could buy it later on,
and unlike the I could be wrong about

3542
04:38:34.599 --> 04:38:38.880
this because I think our video basically
distributed all the home videos for ECW,

3543
04:38:40.080 --> 04:38:41.639
kind of like how pro Wrestling teas
ends up, you know, doing all

3544
04:38:41.639 --> 04:38:45.279
of a dub's merchandise, because they
were already connected with the Bucks. So

3545
04:38:45.680 --> 04:38:51.000
when you bought a VHS cassette off
EASW Television. It was our video that

3546
04:38:51.080 --> 04:38:52.159
you know out of Philadelphia that processed
the order and send it to you.

3547
04:38:52.400 --> 04:38:56.400
And they also would shoot every house
show, sell those you got ECW shows,

3548
04:38:56.439 --> 04:39:00.319
and in the back they had this
big ass merchandise don with all the

3549
04:39:00.360 --> 04:39:03.720
T shirts. They also had.
They also had a VHS's from all over

3550
04:39:03.799 --> 04:39:07.360
the world, not just our video, would bootleg stuff from everywhere, territorial

3551
04:39:07.439 --> 04:39:11.319
stuff, international stuff, all kinds
of stuff. You could get best of

3552
04:39:11.439 --> 04:39:15.479
compilations, and they sell like everything
they had with just these white labels,

3553
04:39:15.639 --> 04:39:21.720
just these completely plain white labels with
black print on them, and you could

3554
04:39:21.720 --> 04:39:26.240
look and see like July tenth,
you know, Revere Mass, July eleventh,

3555
04:39:26.319 --> 04:39:29.360
Winthrop Mass. You know, you
could you could look right Jack Show,

3556
04:39:30.400 --> 04:39:33.759
and that was really cool. I
don't understand why there wasn't a tape

3557
04:39:33.799 --> 04:39:37.759
of this show. I don't think
it was something that was destroyed or something

3558
04:39:37.759 --> 04:39:41.720
that was captured as evidence and never
returned. I don't understand, but I'm

3559
04:39:41.759 --> 04:39:45.119
convinced it doesn't exist. And everywhere
you see people discuss this incident, there's

3560
04:39:45.119 --> 04:39:51.439
always the proviso that footage doesn't exist. You'll see like do you think do

3561
04:39:51.520 --> 04:39:55.919
you think that maybe because there was
a lawsuit that they you know, much

3562
04:39:56.080 --> 04:40:03.759
like the you know, the lost
episode of yeah, of the brook Knows

3563
04:40:03.360 --> 04:40:06.560
Best. And even in that case, we had to use, you know,

3564
04:40:06.959 --> 04:40:08.840
a fair degree of supposition as to
why that one episode was so hard

3565
04:40:08.880 --> 04:40:12.439
to find. You know, we
never really found a piece of confirmation that

3566
04:40:12.520 --> 04:40:17.360
it's because of that lawsuit that whatever
you know, torrents of the entire season

3567
04:40:17.400 --> 04:40:19.560
of Brook Knows Best happened to all
be missing that last episode. We eventually

3568
04:40:19.599 --> 04:40:22.439
did find it, of course,
but you know, I don't think that's

3569
04:40:22.439 --> 04:40:27.279
the case. Here is because they
weren't suit until years after it happened.

3570
04:40:27.799 --> 04:40:30.319
So the video would have been,
let's put it this way, a hot

3571
04:40:30.400 --> 04:40:33.799
commodity. Now. Would ECW have
been a little gun shy about putting a

3572
04:40:33.880 --> 04:40:37.479
video of this incident in the market, knowing how out of control it got?

3573
04:40:37.599 --> 04:40:41.400
Possibly? Possibly, But the fact
that no one preserved it and never

3574
04:40:41.439 --> 04:40:45.439
thought to release it. I mean, I guess, considering the symbiotic relationship

3575
04:40:45.479 --> 04:40:49.360
between our video and ECW, if
they didn't want the tape released, our

3576
04:40:49.400 --> 04:40:53.720
video wouldn't have released it. But
I haven't ever seen an interview or a

3577
04:40:53.759 --> 04:40:57.639
confirmation of this. This is important
lore here, right, And I'd love

3578
04:40:57.720 --> 04:41:02.479
to know if it did exist and
just was cabashed, or if just for

3579
04:41:02.560 --> 04:41:04.959
some reason, this happened to be
a night where handicams weren't at least rolling.

3580
04:41:06.080 --> 04:41:10.400
But but it's it's amazing that it
went down this way. They also

3581
04:41:10.439 --> 04:41:12.439
had a mass I think there is
something I just didn't find because this was

3582
04:41:12.479 --> 04:41:15.880
a major EASW show. They had
major angles planned. It's like this was

3583
04:41:15.919 --> 04:41:22.200
just some house show. So another
wrinkle to it is while the panic is

3584
04:41:22.240 --> 04:41:26.119
setting in and while you know,
if you believe the lawsuit, a fan

3585
04:41:26.279 --> 04:41:29.599
is burned as a result of Funk
hitting the floor with his life on the

3586
04:41:29.680 --> 04:41:33.000
line, the lights go out in
the arena and it's pitch black, really,

3587
04:41:33.200 --> 04:41:37.639
And the reason that happened is because
there was a planned angle right after

3588
04:41:37.720 --> 04:41:42.119
the fire spot with Funk and Foley
where Tommy Dreamer would be crucified atop the

3589
04:41:42.200 --> 04:41:45.360
ECW arena when the spotlight came back
on. And they would do this a

3590
04:41:45.400 --> 04:41:49.560
few times in ECW to a great
controversy. In fact, a night curt

3591
04:41:49.599 --> 04:41:52.360
Angle came by to see ECW and
kind of get a feel for the business.

3592
04:41:52.599 --> 04:41:56.159
They did a crucifixion angle involving Raven
and sand Man at the end of

3593
04:41:56.200 --> 04:41:59.400
the show. That really put a
bad taste in his mouth about getting involved.

3594
04:42:00.040 --> 04:42:02.159
Yeah, remember hearing about that.
It's a pretty famous story. I

3595
04:42:02.200 --> 04:42:04.599
remember we went to an ROH show
one time where they crucified Seampunk I think

3596
04:42:06.759 --> 04:42:08.040
was crucified by Raven. The lights
went out, they came back on,

3597
04:42:08.159 --> 04:42:14.279
and he was hanging by a crucifix
in the middle of the ring. Of

3598
04:42:14.360 --> 04:42:15.759
course, they did it in nineteen
ninety nine one row with Undertaker in Steve

3599
04:42:15.799 --> 04:42:21.159
Austin as well. Of course.
Yeah, so you know that tells me

3600
04:42:21.240 --> 04:42:23.000
this was a big show, because
you don't shoot an angle that intense without

3601
04:42:23.080 --> 04:42:27.080
planning to shoot it for television and
exploiting it to it to its full capacity.

3602
04:42:27.200 --> 04:42:32.240
So I might not have found it. And maybe it's understood that this

3603
04:42:32.439 --> 04:42:33.599
was taped and what happened to the
tape, but I don't know where it

3604
04:42:33.680 --> 04:42:37.439
is, and you certainly can't find
footage of this easily on YouTube like you

3605
04:42:37.520 --> 04:42:41.479
can just about every other major thing
that ever happened in Extreme Championship Wrestling.

3606
04:42:41.040 --> 04:42:45.880
So that's all important to TAIL Now. I'm sad to report that after doing

3607
04:42:45.959 --> 04:42:49.959
my diligence, the case file has
been destroyed in this lawsuit, ah,

3608
04:42:51.520 --> 04:42:52.959
due to too much, too many
years passing. Eventually, you know,

3609
04:42:53.000 --> 04:42:57.360
you can't preserve files forever in these
local courts like this, and so I

3610
04:42:57.439 --> 04:43:00.360
think it was like in the early
two thousand, there's just no hope for

3611
04:43:00.439 --> 04:43:06.400
this or the early oughts. It
was disposed. But what survives is,

3612
04:43:06.639 --> 04:43:08.319
you know, the docket sheet.
And what the docket sheet basically does is

3613
04:43:08.799 --> 04:43:15.080
give you like a rough idea of
how the case played out. You don't

3614
04:43:15.119 --> 04:43:18.520
get, you know, the detailed
filings with who said what and who argued

3615
04:43:18.560 --> 04:43:22.279
what exactly, but you do get
kind of a rough outline of what made

3616
04:43:22.319 --> 04:43:27.080
the difference in the trial. Now, as mentioned this was this was filed

3617
04:43:27.200 --> 04:43:33.360
years later. The dates on it
are going all the way back. Let's

3618
04:43:33.360 --> 04:43:36.880
see too. This' is all the
defend dants here, which i'll read off

3619
04:43:36.880 --> 04:43:41.919
in a second. Ninety nine.
So this happened in nineteen ninety five,

3620
04:43:41.799 --> 04:43:48.000
and it looks like the the process
didn't start till January of nineteen ninety nine

3621
04:43:48.040 --> 04:43:52.639
in this court. So you think
about how many years passed and how much

3622
04:43:52.799 --> 04:43:56.360
right at Folly had pretty much put
his book to bed by then. It

3623
04:43:56.439 --> 04:43:59.959
came out in ninety nine, so
there was no way for him to reflect

3624
04:44:00.080 --> 04:44:03.119
on the fact that this resulted in
an actual lawsuit when describing the incident.

3625
04:44:03.200 --> 04:44:04.959
But it did turn out to be
quite an inconvenience because now there is a

3626
04:44:06.080 --> 04:44:11.720
narrative, in a published narrative about
what happened that night that he probably wouldn't

3627
04:44:11.720 --> 04:44:14.119
have published if he knew a lawsuit
was about to be filed. And who

3628
04:44:14.200 --> 04:44:18.959
knows, maybe even the publication of
this book sparked something. I don't quite

3629
04:44:18.040 --> 04:44:22.119
think so, because I'm seeing filings
in January of nineteen ninety nine, and

3630
04:44:22.159 --> 04:44:25.599
mcfoley's book came out in the middle
of nineteen ninety nine, but it was

3631
04:44:26.119 --> 04:44:30.200
it was a fan by the name
of Schweitzer, Raymond Schweitzer, and who

3632
04:44:30.240 --> 04:44:34.720
I presume to be his wife,
Teresha Teresa Schweitzer, who were in attendance,

3633
04:44:34.799 --> 04:44:41.360
ensued. They sued not only Extreme
Championship Pressing Incorporated, and HHG Incorporated,

3634
04:44:41.400 --> 04:44:47.360
which was a company name that Paul
Hayman created to process ECW's business and

3635
04:44:47.520 --> 04:44:49.799
kind of did it without telling Todd
Gordon. And when Todd found HHG on

3636
04:44:49.919 --> 04:44:52.720
checks, He's like, what the
fuck is this? Paul Hayman was a

3637
04:44:52.799 --> 04:45:00.959
defendant alias Polly Dangerously. It says
in the court file, Gordon was a

3638
04:45:02.000 --> 04:45:04.400
defendant. Terry Funk himself was a
defendant, Michael F. Foley was a

3639
04:45:04.439 --> 04:45:11.680
defendant, and and these are the
attorneys listed. So what basically happened is,

3640
04:45:14.000 --> 04:45:17.880
you know, the the claims were
argued, a jury trial was demanded,

3641
04:45:17.919 --> 04:45:22.919
and there was a trial, and
ultimately the jury of their peers found

3642
04:45:22.959 --> 04:45:33.080
in favor of ECW and found indeed
the the plaintiffs didn't have reason to didn't

3643
04:45:33.119 --> 04:45:37.240
have grounds to claim recompense from ECW
for whatever injuries they claimed to have suffered.

3644
04:45:37.240 --> 04:45:40.840
I'm not sure if a judgment was
made as to whether the injuries were

3645
04:45:40.919 --> 04:45:45.560
real or fabricated. I'm not suggesting
that, but whatever it was, they

3646
04:45:45.639 --> 04:45:48.000
weren't found ECW wasn't found liable.
And what's funny is there's, like,

3647
04:45:49.400 --> 04:45:55.279
you know, a question throughout the
course of the proceedings, according to the

3648
04:45:55.360 --> 04:45:59.479
docket of like can can this be
admitted? Like can we admit? In

3649
04:46:00.439 --> 04:46:04.159
admit is in submit, you know, not admit is in allow something to

3650
04:46:04.200 --> 04:46:10.840
be true? You know, things
of how ECW would you know, pledge

3651
04:46:10.880 --> 04:46:15.799
to stop doing dangerous things like there's
there's reference to how they had set a

3652
04:46:15.880 --> 04:46:19.520
policy in place after this happened where
they wouldn't do fire anymore. And is

3653
04:46:19.560 --> 04:46:23.279
it fair for the jury to hear
that? Is that relevant for the jury

3654
04:46:23.360 --> 04:46:26.959
to hear or does it just risk
them saying, Okay, well, we're

3655
04:46:26.959 --> 04:46:30.159
not going to give these people money
because they don't do it anymore. It's

3656
04:46:30.200 --> 04:46:32.200
like that if you were the one
that was burned, you wouldn't really give

3657
04:46:32.240 --> 04:46:36.000
a fuck about what happened after you
were burned. That should have a bearing

3658
04:46:36.080 --> 04:46:40.520
on whether you get any money.
But ultimately, you know, Funk testified

3659
04:46:40.639 --> 04:46:44.560
and fully testified, and it was
a it was a It was a nail

3660
04:46:44.599 --> 04:46:49.080
bier, especially when you consider that
ECW was by nineteen ninety nine not in

3661
04:46:49.119 --> 04:46:52.759
the best of financial shape. The
costs had inflated so much trying to keep

3662
04:46:52.799 --> 04:46:56.279
the talent that you know, ECW
and WWF were beginning to more aggressively proach.

3663
04:46:56.720 --> 04:47:00.639
They were starting to go on to
TNN and all the costs involved with

3664
04:47:00.200 --> 04:47:03.840
producing a national television show that looked
appropriate for the air. They were in

3665
04:47:03.880 --> 04:47:07.400
a full rine preview mode, so
they had these pay per views that they

3666
04:47:07.439 --> 04:47:11.479
had to come out of pocket to
produce and pay talent for and make it

3667
04:47:11.599 --> 04:47:15.200
interesting. And of course we all
know about the ninety plus day lag time

3668
04:47:15.279 --> 04:47:18.680
to get your money from the pay
per view companies on these things, and

3669
04:47:18.799 --> 04:47:22.119
how that can really fuck up your
cash flow. So they couldn't afford a

3670
04:47:22.159 --> 04:47:26.560
big ass judgment in nineteen ninety nine. They could, They probably could never

3671
04:47:26.599 --> 04:47:29.599
have afforded it, honestly, because
I'm sure they were looking for millions,

3672
04:47:30.599 --> 04:47:33.400
but they got by by the skin
of their teeth on this one. And

3673
04:47:33.000 --> 04:47:37.799
you know, we've heard the new
Jack Mass Transit trial dramatized and talked about

3674
04:47:37.880 --> 04:47:41.279
rather on dark side of the Ring, and how Paul Hayman went in that

3675
04:47:41.360 --> 04:47:45.040
courtroom and worked his ass off to
make sure that the jury found sympathy for

3676
04:47:45.159 --> 04:47:48.439
Newjack, even though he fucking sliced
this innocent guy's head open for doing nothing

3677
04:47:48.479 --> 04:47:52.639
more apparently than suggesting spots to new
Jackman. He didn't have the standing and

3678
04:47:52.799 --> 04:47:56.439
experience in the business to be suggesting
such things, and then asked Nwjack to

3679
04:47:56.479 --> 04:47:57.279
cut him, so he did,
and he sliced his head open so much

3680
04:47:57.279 --> 04:48:02.119
that they almost died in the fucking
ring. But uh again, acquitted,

3681
04:48:03.279 --> 04:48:06.840
And I can just imagine the workmanship
going on in this courtroom from your folies,

3682
04:48:06.919 --> 04:48:08.599
your funks, your your tall Hamens, your Todd Gordon's. Can you

3683
04:48:08.680 --> 04:48:12.919
imagine, yes, how they performed
up on that stand to be a fly

3684
04:48:14.040 --> 04:48:17.000
on that wall. But yeah,
it got them in a lot of trouble

3685
04:48:17.200 --> 04:48:23.279
and really really caused a Branksmanship moment
for them. Yeah. Here it is

3686
04:48:23.400 --> 04:48:26.880
order that plaintiffs Raymond and Trees,
which are hereby precluded from offering any evidence,

3687
04:48:26.919 --> 04:48:33.680
either physical or testimonial, regarding the
subsequent remedial measures taken by said defendants

3688
04:48:33.720 --> 04:48:41.040
of ceasing fire chair stunts during wrestling
matches. So they had sought, Yeah,

3689
04:48:41.080 --> 04:48:45.319
they had sought, hereby precluded from
offering any evidence. Yeah, so

3690
04:48:45.520 --> 04:48:48.840
they were not allowed to discuss that. Apparently they were not allowed to discuss

3691
04:48:48.880 --> 04:48:55.080
actions the DCW took subsequent to this
prior incidents. Oh yeah, order that

3692
04:48:55.159 --> 04:49:00.200
plaintiffs are hereby not precluded so allowed
from offering an evidence of prior incidents that

3693
04:49:00.360 --> 04:49:06.560
involved injuries sustained to other Extreme Championship
Wrestling w CWN, WWF and or or

3694
04:49:06.560 --> 04:49:11.159
wrestling events if relevant in time.
So they were allowed to talk about crazy

3695
04:49:11.200 --> 04:49:18.319
shit in the past. Unbelievable that's
wild. That's how crazy it got with

3696
04:49:18.439 --> 04:49:22.240
the funker in ECW, and it's
funny, and later shooting interviews later on

3697
04:49:22.360 --> 04:49:26.040
in his life when he was asked
to talk about, you know, his

3698
04:49:26.119 --> 04:49:29.040
memories of the ECW fan base,
of course he had warm things to say,

3699
04:49:29.520 --> 04:49:32.400
but he'd also say lawsuits is one
of the first things, right,

3700
04:49:34.840 --> 04:49:41.279
truly fucking wild situation. This is
This is something that was posted in two

3701
04:49:41.319 --> 04:49:45.400
thousand on the Internet after this had
played out in court, and it's the

3702
04:49:45.520 --> 04:49:48.360
author is a Bob McGee. It's
a column called as I See It,

3703
04:49:48.439 --> 04:49:53.080
and it's somebody who claims to have
had a first person perspective on this,

3704
04:49:53.159 --> 04:50:00.639
who claims to have been there and
kinda I was responding to fully writing about

3705
04:50:00.639 --> 04:50:03.119
it. So this is probably the
best we're going to get. So actually

3706
04:50:03.119 --> 04:50:07.599
we'll start here. This is This
was posted on a forum in twenty and

3707
04:50:07.919 --> 04:50:12.400
thirteen, if I have that right, by someone with a screen name Mooda

3708
04:50:12.479 --> 04:50:18.639
Midnights from PA. And this is
how before we get to the Bob McGee

3709
04:50:18.759 --> 04:50:22.200
column, which is kind of more
editorial than anything in reportage, this is

3710
04:50:22.360 --> 04:50:26.360
someone claiming to have an eyewitness account
of how things went down that night.

3711
04:50:26.479 --> 04:50:29.880
And I shared it with you.
Boss, I wish you could assume the

3712
04:50:29.919 --> 04:50:33.119
posture of a nineteen ninety five ECW
fan. Tell us what you experienced when

3713
04:50:33.159 --> 04:50:47.200
the flames flew off the chair.
Fellow WCMB poster the purple hayz one and

3714
04:50:47.319 --> 04:50:51.200
I attended that infamous card. Haven't
thought about it in several years. Some

3715
04:50:51.279 --> 04:50:52.720
of the memories of the event are
a bit of a blur, but a

3716
04:50:52.759 --> 04:50:57.479
few things stand out. We were
eighteen years old an ECW arena regulars.

3717
04:50:57.599 --> 04:51:00.840
Throughout much of nineteen ninety five,
I've usually sitting in the last row,

3718
04:51:00.919 --> 04:51:04.520
on the same side as the hard
camera, just in front of a platform

3719
04:51:04.639 --> 04:51:10.680
stage and the crow's nest area.
I can distinctly remember Cactus lighting the kerosene

3720
04:51:10.759 --> 04:51:14.720
soaked towel wrapped around the chair in
the ring. The chair went up like

3721
04:51:14.799 --> 04:51:19.720
a Roman candle, causing Cactus to
drop it quickly due to the intense heat

3722
04:51:21.240 --> 04:51:25.840
that it was generating. Things got
crazy when the towel hit funk. We

3723
04:51:26.000 --> 04:51:30.319
watched a large fireball basically in gulf
funk and go over the top rope on

3724
04:51:30.400 --> 04:51:34.759
the far side of the ring.
Almost instantaneously, the lights in the building

3725
04:51:34.880 --> 04:51:38.959
went out done as part of the
angle with Raven and Dreamer, but we

3726
04:51:40.040 --> 04:51:42.119
didn't know that at the time.
At that point, we knew something was

3727
04:51:42.240 --> 04:51:45.959
drastically wrong, although some still believed
it was all part of an angle.

3728
04:51:47.400 --> 04:51:51.240
We continued to see a large fireball
at ringside on the other side of the

3729
04:51:51.279 --> 04:51:57.240
arena while hearing screaming. Additionally,
there was an increasing level of smoke in

3730
04:51:57.279 --> 04:52:03.000
the arena, which augmented the growing
general scene of panic. It was starting

3731
04:52:03.159 --> 04:52:07.439
to become complete and utter chaos.
It was at that point that I realized

3732
04:52:07.680 --> 04:52:11.360
that there were only two eggsits,
neither of which was anywhere near our position.

3733
04:52:12.279 --> 04:52:17.479
Given that the bleachers were wooden and
the building consisted largely of low rent

3734
04:52:17.720 --> 04:52:21.680
dry wall, I really began to
think that the whole place was going to

3735
04:52:21.759 --> 04:52:27.319
catch fire, a similar situation to
tragic Great White Concert the fire that happened

3736
04:52:27.360 --> 04:52:32.240
in a nightclub several years ago,
seemed quite possible. We were able to

3737
04:52:32.319 --> 04:52:34.720
jump back on the stage just behind
the stands on the camera side to remove

3738
04:52:34.759 --> 04:52:41.080
ourselves somewhat anyway from the chaotic scene
and, more importantly, the wooden bleachers.

3739
04:52:41.080 --> 04:52:45.119
One of our friends and I both
said we need to get out of

3740
04:52:45.200 --> 04:52:51.000
here now, but the purple haze. One fearing a stampede, wisely urged

3741
04:52:51.080 --> 04:52:56.279
us to stay in place to determine
exactly what was happening. After what must

3742
04:52:56.319 --> 04:53:00.159
have been a minute or two,
but which felt like an internity, I

3743
04:53:00.200 --> 04:53:03.560
can remember Paul E screaming from the
crow's nest area behind us, turn on

3744
04:53:03.799 --> 04:53:10.400
the fucking lights. Finally, the
lights came back on in the building,

3745
04:53:10.560 --> 04:53:14.919
establishing at least some level of calm. One of the guys in our group

3746
04:53:21.159 --> 04:53:25.240
started chanting E c W E c
W, which immediately made me question his

3747
04:53:25.360 --> 04:53:30.360
sanity. And of course that's right
there, that's the's the guy that is

3748
04:53:30.439 --> 04:53:36.119
the problem, that's fucking do this. That's the fucking problem. The guy

3749
04:53:36.400 --> 04:53:41.599
who cannot see the forest for the
trees when it comes to reality and fiction.

3750
04:53:44.040 --> 04:53:48.639
Okay, that's the problem. On
his face, the distant look on

3751
04:53:48.720 --> 04:53:56.159
his face. He just is like
so naive and thinks that you know.

3752
04:53:57.119 --> 04:54:03.119
No. Fortunately, we were among
a group of people that hardly yet calmly

3753
04:54:03.240 --> 04:54:07.639
left for the exits. After we
emerged from the exit at the Swanson and

3754
04:54:07.880 --> 04:54:11.919
Writtener corner, I could see smoke
emerging from the ventilation fans near the top

3755
04:54:11.959 --> 04:54:15.000
of the exterior of the arena.
We left the card thinking that it was

3756
04:54:15.080 --> 04:54:19.919
potentially the end of ECW. Otherwise, it was a great time. I

3757
04:54:21.000 --> 04:54:22.319
can tell you that it was a
real wake up call for me as an

3758
04:54:22.319 --> 04:54:26.840
eighteen year old who felt invincible.
I remember thinking, oh man, I

3759
04:54:26.919 --> 04:54:33.439
could die here. Although we attended
various ECW spot shows for the next year

3760
04:54:33.479 --> 04:54:37.959
and a half, the ten twenty
eight ninety five card was the last time

3761
04:54:37.040 --> 04:54:42.159
that we set foot in the ECW
arena. Since that time, I have

3762
04:54:42.200 --> 04:54:48.439
always made a conscious effort to identify
the emergency exits immediately upon entering any building.

3763
04:54:48.560 --> 04:54:52.279
In any event the purple haze.
One may be able to elaborate on

3764
04:54:52.319 --> 04:54:56.240
any of the details that I missed, as thought, seeing how you would

3765
04:54:56.240 --> 04:54:59.159
have reacted if Terry Funk was on
fire, panics headed, and the lights

3766
04:54:59.159 --> 04:55:02.720
went out, I ah, oh
my god, I would have been horrified.

3767
04:55:02.919 --> 04:55:07.439
I probably would have. I don't
even know. I don't know if

3768
04:55:07.439 --> 04:55:12.319
I've ever been in a situation like
that where where I would have been so

3769
04:55:12.520 --> 04:55:18.560
panicked. I don't know. I
don't know what I would have done surrounded

3770
04:55:18.599 --> 04:55:21.799
by ECW arena fans. I mean
I would have I mean, I would

3771
04:55:21.840 --> 04:55:30.119
have probably just fucking thrown people into
the fire for being idiots. So this

3772
04:55:30.279 --> 04:55:33.080
is after all the smoke had cleared
in the court case. This is published

3773
04:55:33.119 --> 04:55:37.599
again online by a blogger named Bob
McGee May eleventh. There's a lot in

3774
04:55:37.639 --> 04:55:40.840
here. I'm not gonna read it
at all, but it's some interesting color,

3775
04:55:41.400 --> 04:55:42.799
as many of you undubtly have read. By now, ECW, mcfoley

3776
04:55:42.799 --> 04:55:45.599
and Terry Funk were vindicated in the
e W civil suit as the jury found

3777
04:55:45.599 --> 04:55:49.479
in favor of the defendants ECW,
Terry Funk, and mcfoley against plaintiff Raymond

3778
04:55:49.479 --> 04:55:53.959
Swimmer. As I mentioned, court
records indicated it was him and Teresa Swimmer

3779
04:55:55.000 --> 04:55:59.560
that were both plaintiffs in the case. Schwimmer claimed this article reads that he

3780
04:55:59.639 --> 04:56:02.680
was burned in October of nineteen ninety
five when a flaming chair that mcfoley brought

3781
04:56:02.680 --> 04:56:06.319
into the ring to strike Terry Funk
actually sent fire flying into the crowd.

3782
04:56:06.479 --> 04:56:08.639
He then claimed that he suffered burns
over many parts of his body due to

3783
04:56:08.680 --> 04:56:11.400
the fire going into the crowd.
The fan claimed it because of that.

3784
04:56:11.799 --> 04:56:15.520
He suffered post traumatic stress syndrome in
nineteen ninety six, which caused an accident

3785
04:56:15.560 --> 04:56:21.840
on his motorcycle resulting in the loss
of a leg. So this guy apparently,

3786
04:56:22.159 --> 04:56:25.200
right, he lost a leg because
of VCW. Well, I mean,

3787
04:56:25.560 --> 04:56:30.040
he lost a leg in a motorcycle
accident and apparently got to thinking about

3788
04:56:30.080 --> 04:56:33.680
the role that this night played and
oh my god, such a you know,

3789
04:56:33.880 --> 04:56:38.200
I just you know, people like
that fucking drive me insane. Didn't

3790
04:56:38.240 --> 04:56:45.000
work. Apparently didn't work ultimately,
And it's referenced here that the incident was

3791
04:56:45.000 --> 04:56:51.680
read about by many in mcfoley's recent
biography. Uh oh, who's mcfoley's Oh

3792
04:56:51.759 --> 04:56:53.840
yeah, because he again he had
put this book depressed, not knowing that

3793
04:56:53.919 --> 04:56:59.319
it's about to be a lawsuit about
this. Yeah, and I'm sure wouldn't

3794
04:56:59.319 --> 04:57:00.680
have been as descriptive of as as
he was if that was the case.

3795
04:57:00.759 --> 04:57:04.439
But but you know, telling ly
he says that, you know, I

3796
04:57:04.560 --> 04:57:08.560
say that, but you would think
if a fan was burned, that Mick

3797
04:57:08.599 --> 04:57:12.159
fully would include that detail. Because
clearly, when he sits down to write,

3798
04:57:12.200 --> 04:57:15.479
he doesn't think there were legal ramifications
about touching this incident, right,

3799
04:57:17.319 --> 04:57:19.200
and you would think it would come
up, whereas you know, all the

3800
04:57:19.200 --> 04:57:22.279
same you'd think that would come out. I mean, that's that's the thing.

3801
04:57:23.479 --> 04:57:26.880
Someone would have right, like,
you know, if you were really

3802
04:57:26.919 --> 04:57:30.599
burned, if you really injured from
something like that, you you fucking jump

3803
04:57:30.680 --> 04:57:33.400
on that ship. Yeah, I
think you would actually write you'd want to

3804
04:57:33.439 --> 04:57:36.520
get the suit going as soon as
possible. It seems like what he was

3805
04:57:36.599 --> 04:57:41.319
trying to to sort of put together
was a narrative where you know, he

3806
04:57:41.360 --> 04:57:47.560
suffered burns, yes, but the
burns didn't really didn't traumatize him until it

3807
04:57:47.759 --> 04:57:51.439
led to a series of events,
a domino series of events where he actually

3808
04:57:51.479 --> 04:57:53.000
lost like in an accident, had
post traumatic stress. I don't know why

3809
04:57:53.040 --> 04:57:56.599
he was on the motorcycle because of
PTSD or what he claimed in court in

3810
04:57:56.720 --> 04:58:00.000
terms of why the PTSD caused him
to crash and the motor cycle. I

3811
04:58:00.080 --> 04:58:03.959
wonder if Kerry van Eric was in
a building that was on fire before he

3812
04:58:03.319 --> 04:58:07.759
I know, like, well,
this portatorium was on fire, just not

3813
04:58:07.880 --> 04:58:11.880
literally, that's true. It actually
it was literally on fire in the sixties

3814
04:58:11.919 --> 04:58:15.200
if you remember the Maclaborn. That
is true, but it was more about

3815
04:58:15.240 --> 04:58:21.479
it was it was justly hotter than
it was on fire. So all right,

3816
04:58:21.479 --> 04:58:25.759
there's all kinds of innuendo about like
roles that wrestling websites played and propping

3817
04:58:25.880 --> 04:58:30.319
up certain you know, parts of
the story and maybe coming to the to

3818
04:58:30.400 --> 04:58:34.759
the aid of ECW in terms of
how it was written. Okay, blah

3819
04:58:34.799 --> 04:58:42.319
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah. So there's a

3820
04:58:42.319 --> 04:58:48.000
photographer shot rings at ECW shows was
brought in as a witness for the plaintiff,

3821
04:58:48.080 --> 04:58:51.439
showing pictures of the match in question, according to this article, primarily

3822
04:58:51.560 --> 04:58:53.240
to provide a frame of reference for
the jury to determine the structure of the

3823
04:58:53.279 --> 04:58:56.159
building as well as other issues.
We heard mcfully there in the remarks the

3824
04:58:56.319 --> 04:59:00.599
roast talk about how the photos showed
how close to the ring the railings were

3825
04:59:00.799 --> 04:59:04.439
back then. So I don't know
if he was saying that maybe to excuse

3826
04:59:04.479 --> 04:59:07.000
himself, like yeah, if something
ended up in the crowd, it was

3827
04:59:07.040 --> 04:59:11.040
because these people were way closer to
the ring, then you would anticipate.

3828
04:59:11.279 --> 04:59:17.159
I don't really know why he said
that, but that's there. Okay,

3829
04:59:17.479 --> 04:59:21.119
Okay, we got it. Yeah, yeah, okay. People putting out

3830
04:59:21.159 --> 04:59:25.400
information that was not favorable to the
plaintiff, gag orders, blah blah blah

3831
04:59:25.880 --> 04:59:32.840
blah blah blah. Here's the thought
He writes, if Paul Hayman legitimately felt

3832
04:59:32.880 --> 04:59:36.040
that Raymond Swimmers lawsuit had no merit, Wan ought to ask two legitimate questions.

3833
04:59:36.040 --> 04:59:37.639
The first regarding of fact coming from
the trial that will be elaborated upon

3834
04:59:40.119 --> 04:59:42.119
by somebody he's referencing from his return
on a business trip. Why did Paul

3835
04:59:42.119 --> 04:59:48.000
Hayman dissolve HHG Incorporated? The corporate
armor of VCW as of nineteen ninety five

3836
04:59:48.040 --> 04:59:51.240
and therefore one of the defendants in
the lawsuit as of December twenty ninth,

3837
04:59:51.360 --> 04:59:56.400
nineteen ninety nine. The other defendant
and presumably current ownership entity was reported at

3838
04:59:56.439 --> 04:59:59.520
the trial to be a corporate entity
called SNS Family Partnerships, even though for

3839
04:59:59.639 --> 05:00:02.919
reasons only to Paul Hayman, HHD
Inc. Is listed still as part of

3840
05:00:02.959 --> 05:00:04.599
the copyright tag appearing in the end
of ECWTV. The fact of the matter

3841
05:00:04.720 --> 05:00:08.919
is that HHG no longer legally exists. Could Hayman have been attempting to protect

3842
05:00:08.959 --> 05:00:15.479
his company in the event of the
jury In the Schwimmer trial found been reported

3843
05:00:15.479 --> 05:00:18.200
that the lawyer for Schwimmer had been
seeking Paul Hayman's corporate insurance instead of the

3844
05:00:18.240 --> 05:00:22.880
fifty thousand dollars each for Schwimmer and
his wife. So I guess he wasn't

3845
05:00:22.880 --> 05:00:26.000
asking for millions. He was asking
for fifty grand Jesus crust that was initially

3846
05:00:26.040 --> 05:00:30.360
sought over four years ago. Paul
Hayman would be far from the first corporate

3847
05:00:30.400 --> 05:00:33.360
executive or owner in any form of
business to engage in such strategy, but

3848
05:00:33.520 --> 05:00:37.479
it suggests that A. Hayman was
far from being sure that the suit was

3849
05:00:37.639 --> 05:00:41.439
frivolous. Second, if Schimer lost
it was frivolous, why was it delayed

3850
05:00:41.479 --> 05:00:45.119
for five years? Even given the
normal slowness of the legal system. Surely

3851
05:00:45.159 --> 05:00:48.840
a frivolous lawsuit could have easily been
proven as such and readily dismissed within any

3852
05:00:48.880 --> 05:00:52.400
court within a year or two.
Certainly would have been in Paul Hayman hhg's

3853
05:00:52.400 --> 05:00:55.080
interest to do so back in nineteen
ninety six, given the National TV deal

3854
05:00:55.119 --> 05:00:56.599
a TNN being worked on, then
the fight to get on pay per view,

3855
05:00:56.720 --> 05:01:00.439
the merchandising deals with a claim for
the Hardcorevolution video games. Certainly such

3856
05:01:00.479 --> 05:01:03.599
a lawsuit, one that even preceded
the aert Kulas trial. The aforementioned A

3857
05:01:03.680 --> 05:01:07.439
New Jack incident should have been dealt
with swiftly. If the lawsuit was frivolous,

3858
05:01:07.520 --> 05:01:11.400
why was it claimed that the lawyer
represented the plaintiff's claims that he had

3859
05:01:11.400 --> 05:01:14.639
pneumonia and that he was rushed to
the hospital to produce another delay in the

3860
05:01:14.720 --> 05:01:18.759
trial. Yes, that is in
fact reflected in the docket that a lawyer

3861
05:01:18.880 --> 05:01:23.520
was hospitalized during the course of this
caused causing a delay when it was discovered

3862
05:01:23.560 --> 05:01:26.560
that, in fact, this writer
says the lawyer merely had a cold and

3863
05:01:26.680 --> 05:01:30.240
was out of the hospital before the
judge granted a delay in the trial.

3864
05:01:32.840 --> 05:01:34.799
Readers can speculating these questions as they
choose to make their own judgments. But

3865
05:01:34.840 --> 05:01:37.360
I can tell you something about that
night in nineteen ninety five at the ECW

3866
05:01:37.479 --> 05:01:41.919
Rena from a first person perspective.
I was there. What makes it even

3867
05:01:41.959 --> 05:01:45.000
more disturbing to me is the seat
that Raymond Swimmer and the one next to

3868
05:01:45.119 --> 05:01:48.360
it sat in were the seats that
my younger brother and I had held for

3869
05:01:48.439 --> 05:01:52.159
two plus years and only gave up
when ECW instituted Club ECW, a four

3870
05:01:52.240 --> 05:01:56.639
pack plan that, for all practical
purposes required fans to buy tickets for four

3871
05:01:56.720 --> 05:01:59.360
shows in order to get the best
seats. We refused to buy into Club

3872
05:01:59.400 --> 05:02:03.000
ECWS, not because of any animosity
with anyone in ECW. We did so

3873
05:02:03.119 --> 05:02:07.200
because of bad experience only three years
before with Philly's Tristate Wrestling lens Burger Joe

3874
05:02:07.279 --> 05:02:10.959
Goodheart Okay, who did a similar
plan, then closed his doors, leaving

3875
05:02:11.000 --> 05:02:12.959
fans without tickets and without money.
So we refused to buy into the plan.

3876
05:02:14.080 --> 05:02:17.639
Otherwise my brother and I might have
been in those shoes, given the

3877
05:02:17.720 --> 05:02:18.639
chaos of what happened that night.
Am I going to tell you that I

3878
05:02:18.680 --> 05:02:22.520
can, absolutely, without a shadow
of doubt tell you what happened in terms

3879
05:02:22.520 --> 05:02:25.840
of swimmers, burns and those moments
of the incident. No, But neither

3880
05:02:25.919 --> 05:02:27.560
can most people, including many who
claim that they can. I can tell

3881
05:02:27.599 --> 05:02:33.040
you how incl No, it's David
Schwimria. It was morally, if not

3882
05:02:33.119 --> 05:02:36.279
criminally, irresponsible to use fire in
a building in the manner that it was

3883
05:02:36.360 --> 05:02:38.400
used that night. The ring rail
protecting the front row and the seats behind

3884
05:02:38.439 --> 05:02:41.720
them was less than six feet from
the ring that night, as it often

3885
05:02:41.759 --> 05:02:44.799
has been for ECW arena shows,
The arena, as it always seemed to

3886
05:02:44.840 --> 05:02:48.840
be, was packed beyond fire law
limits. The flaming material landed in the

3887
05:02:48.880 --> 05:02:53.159
crowd. Three ECW employees hit it
with fire extinguishers. They apparently used a

3888
05:02:53.159 --> 05:02:59.279
fire extinguisher design for what is called
a Class B fire, and such Class

3889
05:02:59.319 --> 05:03:02.959
B fires he searched or put out
by excluding air slowing down the release of

3890
05:03:03.000 --> 05:03:06.119
Okay, I don't know what this
has to do with anything. When those

3891
05:03:06.159 --> 05:03:08.919
three fire extinguishers brought out by ACW
staff hit the fire full blast and the

3892
05:03:10.000 --> 05:03:14.000
agent used with the agent used within
them created a horrible smell, a panic

3893
05:03:14.159 --> 05:03:17.639
ensued on the bleacher side of the
ECW arena. Boss to be in those

3894
05:03:17.680 --> 05:03:23.040
bleachers panic, Oh, I mean
shoulder to shoulder sweat, heat, fear.

3895
05:03:23.759 --> 05:03:26.919
I think you're all going to die? Where to go? Exits limited

3896
05:03:27.279 --> 05:03:32.439
limited people ran out of the building
into the street, but there was an

3897
05:03:32.520 --> 05:03:36.279
ear reaction from the other side of
the building. Yes, what did they

3898
05:03:36.360 --> 05:03:41.520
do? They continued with the well
known ECW chant as if the fire,

3899
05:03:41.680 --> 05:03:47.279
the almost asphyxiating cloud was all part
of the show. There's nothing okay with

3900
05:03:47.400 --> 05:03:49.720
this, There's nothing okay with that
at all. It's Ben Rubert, but

3901
05:03:49.799 --> 05:03:52.319
not proven that other people were injured
within the stampede. To get out of

3902
05:03:52.360 --> 05:03:56.799
that side of the building the incident
seemed to be forgotten by most DCW fans

3903
05:03:56.840 --> 05:03:59.400
as years passed, but it was
certainly not forgotten by anyone who attended that

3904
05:03:59.439 --> 05:04:03.799
show. To conclude, it amazes
me what has happened to Raymond Swimmer was

3905
05:04:03.880 --> 05:04:07.759
used as a political football by a
corporation and by those working for its on.

3906
05:04:07.919 --> 05:04:10.919
Okay, under any circumstances, whoever
was right or wrong? What happened

3907
05:04:10.959 --> 05:04:14.759
to Raymond Swimmers a tragedy, he
said. If you saw the picture of

3908
05:04:14.799 --> 05:04:17.799
him in a news report of the
trial in Philadelphia's WPVII channel six, you

3909
05:04:17.840 --> 05:04:21.040
wouldn't question that. So that's a
archival that I'd love the help of the

3910
05:04:21.080 --> 05:04:26.520
Solar system to find. I didn't
find any evidence that this was covered very

3911
05:04:26.560 --> 05:04:30.599
aggressively at all by the media,
but apparently the victim was interviewed by WPVII

3912
05:04:30.720 --> 05:04:33.759
Channel six out in Philadelphia back in
what would have been I guess, nineteen

3913
05:04:33.799 --> 05:04:41.680
ninety nine. But there it is. There. It is Nick Foley and

3914
05:04:41.799 --> 05:04:45.720
Terry Funk and ECW going up in
flames. I guess the thing that we

3915
05:04:45.799 --> 05:04:52.119
don't know again, really what I
don't know? There's something fishy here?

3916
05:04:52.439 --> 05:04:56.840
Yeah, like what I don't know
there's something fishy that there's no that there's

3917
05:04:56.919 --> 05:05:02.560
no footage of this thing, or
that they that's a huge question. Yeah,

3918
05:05:02.720 --> 05:05:06.439
like given people that have this inside
track don't seem to address that part

3919
05:05:06.479 --> 05:05:10.479
of it right now. They had
to call a photographer and it's still photographer

3920
05:05:10.560 --> 05:05:15.720
to testify, So that that tells
you there isn't video. Everything that happened

3921
05:05:15.759 --> 05:05:21.919
ECW is on tape right watching like
fucking Rob Van Damic, Chris Jericho wrestle

3922
05:05:21.919 --> 05:05:25.799
on a house show and you can
see the walls of the building. It

3923
05:05:25.959 --> 05:05:29.639
was like, you know, Scott
Hall made one appearance that was on tape.

3924
05:05:30.720 --> 05:05:33.439
There's so many like one off things
that happened in ECW that are on

3925
05:05:33.520 --> 05:05:36.400
tape too. I don't know,
maybe I'm overstating the degree to which everything

3926
05:05:36.479 --> 05:05:38.279
was filmed, but it seemed like
there were a major angles planned for the

3927
05:05:38.319 --> 05:05:41.479
show. It wasn't the arena there
there. I know I can sit here

3928
05:05:41.520 --> 05:05:45.439
and say for sure that if they
were in the ECW arena, they were

3929
05:05:45.520 --> 05:05:48.400
rolling tape. I just don't know
why they wouldn't. That's that was the

3930
05:05:48.439 --> 05:05:52.360
whole point of the ECW Arena shows
was to shoot the biggest angles and to

3931
05:05:52.439 --> 05:05:55.680
satisfy the hardest core fans that would
come out apparently buying you know, clubbyc

3932
05:05:55.919 --> 05:06:00.919
less you know, unless unless,
like the video is useless. I don't

3933
05:06:00.919 --> 05:06:04.439
know, well I was I want
to say, what if what if the

3934
05:06:04.599 --> 05:06:10.119
video actually shows this other guy this, this, uh this uh don't call

3935
05:06:10.200 --> 05:06:15.759
me David Swimmer guy getting burned,
and they were like, uh no,

3936
05:06:15.880 --> 05:06:18.720
we got to fucking get rid of
we Well, yeah, I mean that's

3937
05:06:18.520 --> 05:06:22.159
that's where my head goes. Let's
do away with this video please. It's

3938
05:06:22.159 --> 05:06:26.400
interesting that that wrinkle that last article
of like it actually was forgotten for a

3939
05:06:26.439 --> 05:06:30.040
while, like so apparently they really
managed this well in terms of how far

3940
05:06:30.200 --> 05:06:36.040
word spread and it really wasn't understood. I don't think in the wrestling community

3941
05:06:36.479 --> 05:06:37.919
that that that much, or at
least, like you know, the the

3942
05:06:38.000 --> 05:06:41.439
sheets and stuff, that there was
actually legal action coming, which if that

3943
05:06:41.880 --> 05:06:45.439
you know, narrative we just read
as accurate, really didn't even cross the

3944
05:06:45.520 --> 05:06:49.720
victim's mind until he ended up having
a subsequent motorcycle accident. But there's also

3945
05:06:49.720 --> 05:06:52.840
a reference that maybe they had floated
a number to not sue that Paul Hayman

3946
05:06:52.919 --> 05:06:56.080
rejected the fifty thousand dollars number.
I don't know. I don't know the

3947
05:06:56.119 --> 05:07:00.880
full story here, and unfortunately the
files uh sort I can tell don't exist.

3948
05:07:00.000 --> 05:07:04.360
But yeah, the Funker was dragged
into court for getting burned by Mick

3949
05:07:04.400 --> 05:07:10.639
Foley in the ECWS, so things
definitely heating up. I want to head

3950
05:07:10.720 --> 05:07:15.479
to court because I went ahead and
got my ass burned by somebody else.

3951
05:07:15.759 --> 05:07:19.840
Yep, yep, the fuck is
going on. The Funker's on fire,

3952
05:07:21.360 --> 05:07:25.720
but you already knew that. And
it's time now for him to truly put

3953
05:07:25.759 --> 05:07:32.959
his stamp on ECW and to create
the moments that would forever cement him as

3954
05:07:33.080 --> 05:07:37.119
not just someone that raised hell in
ECW and reinvented the wrestling fans perception of

3955
05:07:37.200 --> 05:07:45.479
him in ECW, but really created
moments closest to classy that ECW would have

3956
05:07:45.479 --> 05:07:48.159
ever pulled off. It's time for
their first pay per view, It's time

3957
05:07:48.279 --> 05:07:52.959
for Barely Legal and oh yes,
all that Terry Funk had to do with

3958
05:07:53.080 --> 05:07:57.040
that historic night. It of course
ends with him bloodied hoisting once again,

3959
05:07:57.479 --> 05:08:06.520
despite what many of it may have
anticipated, the ECW Championship and a career

3960
05:08:06.599 --> 05:08:11.119
capper as the business is about to
change again on the back of all these

3961
05:08:11.159 --> 05:08:15.080
ECW innovations, if you can call
them that, into the Attitude era next

3962
05:08:15.119 --> 05:08:19.319
time in the Lapsed Funk it's barely
legal and it's Terry Funk's final stand in

3963
05:08:19.400 --> 05:08:41.200
ECW. You know, good for
nothing egg second down. We did it

3964
05:08:41.400 --> 05:08:48.720
our way because we love it that
way. We love it that way.

3965
05:08:51.279 --> 05:08:53.639
I have this wonderful gun freeling and
I've had it all my life. When

3966
05:08:53.680 --> 05:09:14.680
it's time to go, I think
it's now there's time to go. Hey

3967
05:09:14.799 --> 05:09:18.360
there, JP, Hey, it's
Mick Foley. And just in the interest

3968
05:09:18.439 --> 05:09:23.279
of full disclosure, I'm on the
drive through line at a little coffee shop

3969
05:09:23.439 --> 05:09:29.520
on my way to OVW Wrestling,
so you may hear the interactions. I

3970
05:09:29.560 --> 05:09:33.439
don't even know how much it costs. But then there's a little restaurant called

3971
05:09:33.599 --> 05:09:37.520
Cheddars and I'll pull in. So
yeah, there's a little danger to driving

3972
05:09:38.520 --> 05:09:42.680
while cameoing. I don't condone it
for anyone, but I think I'll be

3973
05:09:42.759 --> 05:09:47.520
okay. But that's a really cool
question. Thanks, first of all,

3974
05:09:47.599 --> 05:09:52.759
thanks for being a ECW fan and
a fan of mine in general. That

3975
05:09:52.040 --> 05:09:56.680
was a wow. That was a
tough six days for us, because you

3976
05:09:56.759 --> 05:10:02.919
never know which way I a jury
is going to go. It was jury

3977
05:10:03.000 --> 05:10:11.040
trial and it was over twenty years
ago. I think I was the I

3978
05:10:11.119 --> 05:10:18.360
can't remember if I was the ww
I don't think I was yet the WWE

3979
05:10:19.000 --> 05:10:23.119
commissioner. I think it was late
ninety nine, maybe two thousand, I

3980
05:10:23.119 --> 05:10:27.520
can't remember exactly, but I do
remember when I heard the news about the

3981
05:10:27.639 --> 05:10:32.759
suit. I was in the mountains
of New Hampshire and I saw a message

3982
05:10:32.799 --> 05:10:37.040
from WWE Legal and when I called
them, I really thought they were going

3983
05:10:37.119 --> 05:10:42.279
to offer me some type of contract
merchandising or something like that. They were

3984
05:10:42.319 --> 05:10:47.200
so happy with me, and then
I found out they were, yeah,

3985
05:10:47.319 --> 05:10:52.799
that it was a lawsuit. So
I had written quite a bit about what

3986
05:10:52.119 --> 05:10:56.880
happened in my book in ninety nine. I don't know why I thought that

3987
05:10:57.040 --> 05:11:03.599
was a good idea. I can
tell you that they had the defense,

3988
05:11:03.759 --> 05:11:08.479
not the defense, the prosecutor,
their main attorney, like he used that

3989
05:11:10.919 --> 05:11:17.040
as you know, words against us. But in the end, I think

3990
05:11:17.119 --> 05:11:22.759
what it came down to was that
the jury they didn't they really didn't believe

3991
05:11:23.159 --> 05:11:29.279
the gentleman's claim that the injury he
suffered that night, and he did he

3992
05:11:29.599 --> 05:11:33.479
had I believe first to be Burns
and he was sent home with an ointment.

3993
05:11:33.680 --> 05:11:36.880
So he was burned at an ECW
show, no question about that.

3994
05:11:37.680 --> 05:11:41.360
But I don't think they bought the
idea that the trauma he suffered that night

3995
05:11:41.599 --> 05:11:48.159
led to a motorcycle accident six months
later which cost him his leg. The

3996
05:11:48.319 --> 05:11:55.880
turning point I talked to one or
two jurors afterwards. They said, how

3997
05:11:55.919 --> 05:12:00.720
did you know that was going to
happen? I didn't know what it was.

3998
05:12:00.959 --> 05:12:10.360
Was the guy the prosecutor? He
said, or all these words true?

3999
05:12:10.520 --> 05:12:14.919
He read the story about me and
Terry and the fire incident. I

4000
05:12:15.000 --> 05:12:21.000
said, well, there's one slight
difference. And he jumped up like he

4001
05:12:21.119 --> 05:12:22.439
had me, and he was like, well, are you sure on a

4002
05:12:22.520 --> 05:12:26.919
Bible? You took an oath and
you said everything you was true, so

4003
05:12:27.080 --> 05:12:30.319
help me God. And yet you
were admitting there's a factual error. Is

4004
05:12:30.360 --> 05:12:33.680
that true? He said yes.
He goes, would you mind, mister

4005
05:12:33.759 --> 05:12:37.520
Foley telling me what part of this
isn't true? And I just thought it

4006
05:12:37.639 --> 05:12:41.400
was like a softball being loved to
me. Hold, I'm going to pay

4007
05:12:41.439 --> 05:12:45.200
for my money here, I pay
my coffee, all right, she's not

4008
05:12:45.279 --> 05:12:49.439
ready yet, or she's ready?
Payoff would be worth it, I hope,

4009
05:12:51.159 --> 05:12:53.599
And I just said to the guy, I said, well, honestly,

4010
05:12:55.200 --> 05:13:02.200
Terry never did call Bischoff ahomo.
And the whole courtroom erupted in laughter,

4011
05:13:02.560 --> 05:13:06.680
and the judge even had to ask
for an order in the court.

4012
05:13:07.000 --> 05:13:11.639
And I think that really benefited us, as did the Pennsylvania rule. And

4013
05:13:11.759 --> 05:13:15.639
I don't know if it's like this
in many other states. Hi, there

4014
05:13:18.119 --> 05:13:22.520
three forty five. Just I think
I have five. Just keep the five,

4015
05:13:22.599 --> 05:13:30.279
okay, thank you all right.
So in Pennsylvania it's whoever is more

4016
05:13:30.959 --> 05:13:36.400
liible, and as a fifty one
forty nine, even if someone did believe

4017
05:13:36.479 --> 05:13:44.520
that we were forty nine percent,
that's for you, all right that it's

4018
05:13:45.720 --> 05:13:48.720
thank you so much. You have
a nice day. Oh I just burned

4019
05:13:48.759 --> 05:13:51.319
myself, all right, have a
nice day. No, I'm good,

4020
05:13:51.400 --> 05:13:55.560
Thank you all right. I think
I thought I turned that burning pretty well.

4021
05:13:55.639 --> 05:14:00.159
Must have been my ECW training,
all that stuff in Japan. So,

4022
05:14:00.360 --> 05:14:07.200
like I said, I am now
driving while cameoing. That's a penalty

4023
05:14:07.240 --> 05:14:11.560
in any state in the country,
but I'm only doing it for like thirty

4024
05:14:11.759 --> 05:14:17.599
thirty yards. I don't know.
If it had been another state, maybe

4025
05:14:17.639 --> 05:14:22.159
they would have ruled that we were
you know, partially responsible and that we

4026
05:14:22.279 --> 05:14:26.400
owed the gentleman some money, but
luckily that was not the case. But

4027
05:14:26.560 --> 05:14:33.200
those were a tough sick days to
be spending on trial. Yeah, so

4028
05:14:33.319 --> 05:14:37.080
I really thought that everything I'd worked
for might be gone, but luckily it

4029
05:14:37.200 --> 05:14:41.759
wasn't. Thank you JP for your
question. I don't get asked about that

4030
05:14:41.360 --> 05:14:44.560
at all, you know. I
used to bring it up once in a

4031
05:14:44.599 --> 05:14:48.200
while at my shows when they did
the one man shows, but I haven't

4032
05:14:48.639 --> 05:14:51.959
talked about it in about ten years. So that was fun. Hope you

4033
05:14:52.080 --> 05:14:53.360
enjoyed as much as I did,
and have a nice day.