WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.879 But as we were approaching the tree line, there was some I don't remember 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:07.879 the exact sequence of whether it was a knock that we heard, a rock 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:12.560 clack or a whoop type vocalization what, but there was there was a combination 4 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.039 of vocalizations and you know, knocking going on. As we were approaching the 5 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:19.719 tree line. Sarah and I are starting to get really nervous at this time 6 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:22.600 because they don't sound like they're very far away. And I look off to 7 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:26.039 my left and it's about one hundred feet away or so, maybe maybe a 8 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:29.079 little bit farther, maybe one hundred and fifteen feet. I see one coming 9 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:33.079 up behind this tree, and when he was moving back and forth around the 10 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:37.399 tree, he was like he was he was moving in like a really jerky 11 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:41.280 motion, like fast twitch. There was enough shade within the forest so I 12 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:45.439 couldn't make out any you know, facial features. I mean, it looked 13 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:47.840 like it looked like a dark face, but I couldn't. I couldn't. 14 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.439 It was far enough away along with the shadows that I couldn't make out like 15 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:55.679 what his nose looked like, or you know, how big the brow ridge 16 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:59.039 was and stuff like that. But I could I could see him moving around 17 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.159 behind the tree, and I was trying to get my wife Sarah to look. 18 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:03.920 I said, it's right there if she doesn't look right over there, 19 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:08.760 but she wouldn't look. She was too afraid to and we were both terrified. 20 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:53.959 Back in February of two thy fifteen, I released episode one of a 21 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:02.879 podcast called Bigfoot Crossroads with my co host Jonathan Brown. Years later, here 22 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:08.039 we are Bigfoot Crossroads is once again a podcast I've been doing for a while 23 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:16.120 now, and once again joining me all these years later is Jonathan Brown. 24 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:23.479 Thanks for having me, Matt. I mean, what, mate, even 25 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:30.439 a year ago, would you have ever expected this to happen? Not necessarily 26 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:36.599 what about you? No, not really. Uh, luckily, as fate 27 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.439 would have it. You know, we've reached back out to one another and 28 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:45.080 started talking again, and here we are, man. Yeah, it's been 29 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:49.240 it's been a long time, you know. I was just telling you know, 30 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.120 like obviously I've mentioned the thermal footage a few times, and like talked 31 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:58.280 about your property and stuff, nothing to any great detail or anything, but 32 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:07.960 to me, you have one of the best Bigfoot stories out there, just 33 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:13.159 because maybe it's because I know you so well, the type of person that 34 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:19.080 you are, how your involvement kind of came to being this whole thing, 35 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:24.680 and the journey that you've been on and your outlook on everything. But just 36 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:30.639 for the people that don't know your story, if you don't mind, kind 37 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:36.719 of tell, like where you're from and how you ended up in the bigfoot 38 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:43.400 world. Okay, Well, I live on a reservation in Washington, in 39 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:52.000 southwest Washington, and it was in twenty twelve. I was coming outside to 40 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:57.080 get something out of my car, and there's kind of a funny scent in 41 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.319 the air, and it smelled kind of like skunk, just a little bit 42 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:06.520 different. But I was just listening outside for just moments after smelling that, 43 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.840 and then I hear a whistle from one side of property, and then a 44 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:15.000 responding whistle from the other side, and that kind of led into you know, 45 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.759 us a my brother Ben and I spending a lot of time outside just 46 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:23.319 sitting by the fire at night, and then you know, things kind of 47 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:30.519 unfolded from there escalated a bit. Yeah, uh so, like if I 48 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:38.439 remember correctly, the house that you're in was your dad's house, yes, 49 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:44.120 And never any talk of Bigfoot or anything like that as a kid or in 50 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:50.360 the area or anything. Uh there. I remember hearing him talking about some 51 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.480 whistles that he had heard, but I think he was attributing it to like 52 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.040 a bird or something. And that's that's such a vague memory of him telling 53 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.439 that to me. I mean, he's passed on, you know, since 54 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:08.800 two thousand and nine, and so I don't I don't remember exactly, you 55 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.480 know, what it was. He probably only did hear a bird at the 56 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.800 time, I don't know, but you know, he wasn't he wasn't spending 57 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.839 any time outside or anything that night, and it wasn't something that had really 58 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:26.759 been on your mind previous to these incidents or anything. I mean I was, 59 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.240 I wasn't into bigfoot like I am now, but I've always been interested 60 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.920 in it. And there's you know, different people on the reservation that have, 61 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:36.959 you know, told stories throughout my entire life that I've believed. And 62 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.040 as far as the property that we live on right now, it actually used 63 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:47.079 to be my grandfather's property as well, and he had a he had a 64 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:54.800 smokehouse where he smoked fish, and I was told by a family member that 65 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:00.000 one time on the property he had a bunch of wish that he was smoking 66 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.399 and then all the fish were taken out, and there was a large footprint 67 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:12.600 outside of the smokehouse, And it seems like it seems like somebody said that 68 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:17.319 like another another fish was like like a like a dead fish was left outside 69 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.079 of it, not like any of the fish that had been smoking, but 70 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.959 like a day or two later, like a fish had been left outside of 71 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.519 it. I don't know the I don't know how accurate that story is because 72 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.000 you know, it's it's not any it's not like a close family member that 73 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.360 told me it. Yeah, it's a story that I heard ten years ago, 74 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:40.519 so maybe there's some half truth to it. Maybe not. My grandpa 75 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:45.480 did have stories of uh like seeing sasquatch when he was fishing down by the 76 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.800 river though too, and my my grandma would say that she didn't believe him 77 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.000 and that he was, you know, making stuff up. Whenever you heard 78 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:58.439 the sounds and stuff, did you instantly recognize, like that's probably a sasquatch 79 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:03.160 or what did you think on the based on the smell When I came outside, 80 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.399 I couldn't identify the scent that I was smelling. I mean, like 81 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:09.759 I said, it was similar to a skunk, just a little bit different, 82 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:15.439 and so my brain kind of was going there beforehand. I mean, 83 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:17.600 as soon as I smelled it, because you know, I I wasn't it 84 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:24.199 wasn't really fitting in a box of like a an animal that I knew of. 85 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.040 And then you know, hearing the whistle from one side of the property 86 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.439 and then the whistle from the other side of the property, I was thinking, 87 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.120 if it was if it was a person, they're an idiot, because 88 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:39.839 you know, that's a good way to get shot. Right. When was 89 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:46.040 the big aha moment for you and your family and everything where it was no 90 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:53.279 longer a mystery of what was going on? Well, uh after after after 91 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.600 that night in particular, when you know I had the whistles going back and 92 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.360 forth. Me and my brother Ben did spend quite a bit of time outside 93 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.839 at night, and there would be different things that there'd be different things that 94 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:11.439 we would hear, some distant vocalizations. I don't I don't remember specifically which 95 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:18.480 ones because there's there's been so many, but we've heard, you know, 96 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:24.639 rocks being banged together, and what sounded like, you know, when people 97 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.839 talk about tree knocks, what sounds like wood on wood. If it is 98 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:33.200 wood on wood, I don't know, but things like that. And it 99 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.320 was in two thousand. It was in two thousand and thirteen, April of 100 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:46.000 twenty thirteen that my wife Sarah and I we were just we suspected that they 101 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.240 were around, you know, and we went and put some We went and 102 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.440 put some food out in the forest. I don't know, just leftover scraps 103 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.360 and stuff like that. Right, probably probably a stupid idea, you know, 104 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.559 it could you know, attract other predators. I'm not even saying that, 105 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.679 you know, it was sasquatch that we were feeding, but it was 106 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.639 just an attempt, you know. We didn't know anything about bigfoot, and 107 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.960 that's what we were trying to do. But as we were approaching the tree 108 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:20.559 line, there was some I don't remember the exact exact sequence of whether it 109 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.559 was a knock that we heard, a rock clack or a whoop type vocalization, 110 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.639 but there was a combination of of vocalizations and you know, knocking going 111 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:37.799 on as we were approaching the tree line and we barely get inside of it, 112 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.919 and Sarah and I are starting to get really nervous at this time because 113 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.480 they don't sound like they're very far away, and I look off to my 114 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:48.240 left, and it's about one hundred feet away or so, maybe maybe a 115 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.360 little bit farther, maybe one hundred and fifteen feet away, And I see 116 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:58.440 one coming up behind this tree. And the first thing that really stood out 117 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.480 to me was like, how like conical shaped its head was? I mean, 118 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:09.159 it wasn't it was it was a it was a pretty pronounced, you 119 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:15.480 know, combe of a head that he had. And when he was moving 120 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:20.480 back and forth around the tree, he was like he was he was moving 121 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:28.519 in like a really jerky motion, like fast twitch, and uh, it 122 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.519 was. There was enough, there was enough shade within the forest, so 123 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.919 I couldn't. I couldn't make out any you know, facial features. I 124 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.399 mean, it looked like it looked like a dark face, but I couldn't. 125 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.840 I couldn't. It was far enough away along with the shadows that I 126 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.559 couldn't make out like what his nose looked like, or you know, how 127 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:52.600 how how big the brow ridge was and stuff like that. But I could. 128 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.279 I could see him moving around behind the tree. And then I was 129 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.240 trying to get my wife Sarah to look. I said, it's right if 130 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.399 you just looked right over there, but she was she wouldn't look she was 131 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:09.519 too afraid to, and we were. We were both terrified at the time. 132 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.159 And I wasn't I wasn't staring at it like I was trying to be 133 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:22.440 challenging towards him. I would kind of look in an intimidated type fashion where 134 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.360 I would look at him in the corner of my eye for just a few 135 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.960 seconds at a time, and then kind of look away because, you know, 136 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:31.559 not being that far away from me, I don't know what he's going 137 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:37.559 to try to do. It's there's very little and still very little that I 138 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:43.039 still know about them, but I was. I was pretty afraid. And 139 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:48.200 the last time that I glanced over at him, he got really low to 140 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.960 the ground, to the point where he at first he was squatting really low 141 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.799 to the ground. Then I'm pretty sure he had to have been like laying 142 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:00.679 on the ground. But that was the That was the last looked over there, 143 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:05.080 and we got out of there. And what time of day was it? 144 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:11.360 It was It was the first week in April of twenty thirteen, and 145 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.879 I would say that it's right around sunset at that time. So I'm not 146 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:22.679 really sure what time sunset is in April, but I would assume probably around 147 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.240 seven o'clock or so. Yeah, So it wasn't like completely dark or anything, 148 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.600 but the sun was Oh no, no, no. When I when 149 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.360 I was looking at him, there was sunlight that was coming through the trees. 150 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.080 So that's why I'm saying like it was close to sunset because there was 151 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:43.639 some sunlight that was coming through and I noticed that the even though I couldn't 152 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.039 make out any facial features because of a lot of the shadows, there was 153 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.960 some sunlight coming through like that was that was hitting you know, parts of 154 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.879 his hair, and the hair on his back was like really clumped together. 155 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.039 I don't know if it was dirty or oily or what, but I remember 156 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.200 it being clumped together. And that hair that the hair that the sun was 157 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:11.200 hitting was kind of a it was kind of a reddish brown. Have you 158 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.279 encountered like bears in the wild? Not that close. I mean, I've 159 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.840 been I've been fishing on the river that's around us, and I've seen like 160 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:26.720 a bear cub along the shore. I've seen bear across the road in front 161 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.919 of my vehicle, not far away on the other side of the reservation. 162 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.679 But uh, I know there's I know there's bears around that come around our 163 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.960 property because you know, I see I see bear scap pretty often. I've 164 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.039 just personally remember seen a bear out around our property before I know they're there, 165 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.960 I just haven't seen one. I was just curious to see if you 166 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.960 could compare the the feeling to something, you know, you were talking about 167 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.159 the fear factor, and I was just curious if it was similar to like 168 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.840 if someone encountered a bear out in the wild. The bears that I've seen, 169 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.639 you know, have It's been you know, a very limited amount that 170 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.799 I've seen, but it seems as if they're always you know, kind of 171 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.399 scared and running off, like kind of startled, and they just want to 172 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.879 get out of sight. You know. Yeah, when I was looking at 173 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.519 this thing, I just had no idea what it was thinking, what it 174 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.120 was going to do. But it definitely looked as if there was you know, 175 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.279 it looked as if it was a lot more intelligent than a bear, 176 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.759 just by the way it was observing us. You know, you're also with 177 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:41.159 your wife, so I would imagine there would be some you know, instinct 178 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:48.919 about concern for her safety as well. And this isn't a situation where you 179 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.200 guys were necessarily like out on a Bigfoot expedition. I mean this is like 180 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:58.000 literally in the yard at your house that this is taking place, Yeah, 181 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:03.080 just out of our property. I mean, I I did have a I 182 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.799 did have a pistol with me, and like when I saw it, it 183 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.840 wasn't like I was. It wasn't like I was thinking about shooting a sasquatch 184 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:11.399 at the time or anything like that. But I did have a pistol and 185 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.799 when I saw it, like my hand it wasn't like I couldn't function or 186 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.440 anything. I could. My hand was on my pistol. But I wasn't 187 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:26.120 planning on taking it out unless I absolutely had to. So after that incident 188 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:33.639 happened, like did activity at the house continue? So that was in April, 189 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.559 and it seemed as if it seemed that and when I had first, 190 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.879 when we had first you know, become aware that you know, stuff was 191 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:46.519 going outside, was going on occasionally outside. Was when I came out to 192 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.960 get something out of the car that I had started out the story with. 193 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:56.679 And uh, that was in I think it was in October or November of 194 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:04.279 twenty twelve. So between and April of twenty thirteen is when I had, 195 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:10.600 you know, had the daylight sighting, and it seemed it seemed like after 196 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:18.879 May. It seemed like from May until that following September or late August, 197 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:25.120 like there was what I don't know that there wasn't anything around at the time, 198 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:26.919 but it seemed like as if they were. If they were around, 199 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:33.080 there were a lot more quiet. I mean almost between between May and you 200 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:40.639 know, the end of summer almost or or late summer almost next to no 201 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:45.759 activity. Has that pattern kind of continued through the years, It kind of 202 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:52.799 it kind of I've I've always told people that, but Chris Spencer, he 203 00:16:52.879 --> 00:17:00.440 has a he came out here and set up a Wildlife Acoustics SM four recorder 204 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:06.359 that he started sometime in late March. And even when I told him, 205 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:10.839 like I I didn't, I didn't think that there was There'd be a few 206 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:15.680 times that there was like questionable stuff that would happen in the early to midsummer, 207 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:21.720 but nothing like nothing like definitive where you knew for sure, and he 208 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:30.160 was he's been reviewing audio and between then and you know, throughout this summer 209 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:37.400 he's been picking up stuff in summertime and not necessarily not necessarily all that close, 210 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.039 a little bit distant and so you know, that could be why, 211 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.839 that could be why, you know, during those months, it doesn't seem 212 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.119 like there's a whole lot of stuff that happens around our property. And you 213 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.519 know, maybe maybe maybe in the fall they head this way for a different 214 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.920 reason. I don't. I don't really have the answer to that. But 215 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.000 even this summer, like it did seem like I don't I don't recall hearing 216 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:07.759 much this summer at all. Has h your why for your kids had a 217 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.359 sighting at your house and experiences and stuff. I mean, obviously I know 218 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.720 Sarah has, but for the benefit of the people listening and don't know the 219 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:25.039 stories and stuff, have they experienced things as well? My daughter Chloe, 220 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:30.200 this must have been about two years ago. She was bringing she was bringing 221 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.200 the dog inside. We have a German shepherd, and she said that, 222 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:40.519 she said that over by one of our apple trees, she saw what she 223 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:48.319 describes as a bigfoot running away towards the trees from the apple tree as soon 224 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:53.599 as she walked out. And I believe her because Chloe's not even she's not 225 00:18:53.720 --> 00:19:00.200 even into bigfoot at all. And if I mean it's it's all, well, 226 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.880 she could have been mistaken it for something else. I just don't have 227 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:07.400 a I just don't have a reason to discredit her. I mean, she's 228 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.839 not right. She's not she's not out telling her story to people or anything 229 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.200 like that. That's the one time she told me. I mean, what 230 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.079 else would she mistake for a big foot running away from the apple tree? 231 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:22.839 You know? I mean, if there was a if there was a you 232 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.720 know, a human that was possibly like snooping around looking to steal something, 233 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:32.519 that's always a possibility. But I don't think that's what she was describing. 234 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.720 I mean, again, you live, you know, on a reservation. 235 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:42.680 It's a pretty small community. I think everybody knows you. I think somebody 236 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:48.279 would be pretty damn stupid, like be snooping around on your property like that. 237 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.720 I don't I don't think anybody would do that. Yeah, I mean 238 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:59.359 you can never you can never say that nobody would because there's always somebody I'm 239 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.359 enough to do something. But yeah, I otherwise, I don't have a 240 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:07.240 reason to believe that anybody was around, you know, on that particular night. 241 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:12.519 So when did the infamous thermal footage happen? In the grand scheme of 242 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:22.440 things that would have been in October, there was October thirtieth of twenty thirteen, 243 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:32.079 and Ben and I we were we were outside by the fire and there 244 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:36.960 there was there was cattle that was behind us, and there were some of 245 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.599 them were getting shipped to another location, you know when they back in those 246 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.559 big cow trailers and start loading them up. And so there was some of 247 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.319 the cows had you know, family members that were missing, and they were 248 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.799 just like putting on a show that night, just like crying and bellowing, 249 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:59.440 like really loud, you know, in a way that you could only surmise 250 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.279 that a cow I was crying or upset about something, bellowing, just making 251 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:08.160 a lot of noise. And so it was. It was loud that night. 252 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:12.960 But there was a there was one time where Ben and I hear something 253 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:21.440 that sounded like tapping that was coming from where the thermal was taking and I 254 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:26.160 had got out the thermal camera and I'm looking over in that direction and I'm 255 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:32.000 seeing I'm seeing like lower to the ground at first, like this human shaped 256 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:36.480 looking head looking nothing like the other cows, and that you know we're around 257 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:41.640 at the time, and it's laying it's laying on the ground at that point, 258 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.519 and I'm trying to Uh, we had We had just been lent that 259 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.240 camera, and so I was not that familiar with the device, and I 260 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.559 was trying to figure out how to get it to record. And by the 261 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.160 time I'm by the time i'm you know, trying to record, it's a 262 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.559 changed position to where it's you know, now, when I'm looking at it, 263 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:07.880 there's this berm that drops down and so half of it's half of like 264 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.839 the lower half of the body is below this ridge. So You're just seeing 265 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:18.960 it peeking up from the chest up chest shoulders, head of the ridge. 266 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.599 And I'm thinking that I'm taking video at that time, but what I'm doing 267 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.759 is I'm taking snapshots. And so when I realized I wasn't recording, my 268 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.000 brother Ben took the camera and he was messing with it, and then he 269 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:36.519 got it. He got it recording, and that's that's how that had happened. 270 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:38.680 And I don't know if there was a I don't know if there was 271 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:44.920 what the reason for as far as the camera stopping. I don't know if 272 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:49.319 it was the batteries that we were using or somebody. I think I think 273 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.799 David Ellis had said that there was an auto shutdown feature on the camera I 274 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.720 don't know. I don't know if there was an auto shutdown feature on it 275 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.559 or if it was the batteries. But at two minutes and twenty seconds it 276 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.519 stops recording. And then by the when it stopped recording, and by the 277 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:11.799 time we got it got the camera on again, I mean, the creature 278 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.079 was gone. So the camera was lent to you, and it was lent 279 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:19.200 to you for the specific purpose of trying to get footage of something if you 280 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:26.880 had the opportunity, right, Yes, I mean this footage was a big 281 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:30.039 deal whenever it came out. I still think it is a big deal. 282 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:38.160 I think it's a tremendous piece of evidence. A lot of people have spent 283 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:45.160 a lot of time analyzing it, coming to your property, checking out where 284 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:51.279 it happened and everything. And as far as I know of anybody that's actually 285 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:57.880 visited the property and you know, looked at the area itself where the thing 286 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.079 was at all that, I mean, everybody's kind of on board with, 287 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.039 yeah, that's a bigfoot I can't think of anybody that's really you know, 288 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.160 obviously you have the Internet people who don't really know anything that are just like, 289 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.519 oh, that's a cow because there is a cow in the footage at 290 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:19.480 some point. Yeah, but I mean some of the comparison shots and everything, 291 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:25.240 that thing was massive and it doesn't look anything like a cow. And 292 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:27.440 it not that you have to defend it or anything, but can you kind 293 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:33.039 of briefly give the reason why it's not a cow? Well, for one, 294 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.279 like through a thermal camera, a cow's ears are going to light up, 295 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:40.440 they're going to show it's gonna a thermal camera is going to show heat, 296 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:44.000 and so it's still going to show heat on a cow's ears. This 297 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:51.680 head is not anything like a cow's head. And it's it's one solid subject. 298 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:57.079 It's not a it's not a it's not a it's not multiple animals that 299 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.880 group together. There's been people that have you know, suggested that that's what 300 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.519 it is. The problem is, uh, I actually didn't know this until 301 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.759 Uh there was this guy who had a YouTube channel. His name was Bigfoot 302 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:14.680 Tony and he was playing with the speeds on it and you could it doesn't 303 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:18.160 it seems like when uh, it seems like when you know, Ben and 304 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.359 I have it on on film there it seems as if it's hardly moving at 305 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.359 all until you actually play with the speeds. Then you can see you know, 306 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.359 movement and moving around very very subtly. What do you think it was 307 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.440 doing just checking you guys out or checking out the cattle or what. I 308 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.599 really don't know. I personally think that the cows were making so much noise 309 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.440 that it drew its attention over there and like, hey, what's going on 310 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.799 over here? Why these where are these guys? I'm gonna go see what 311 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.799 these guys are fussing about. That's just my opinion. I don't know. 312 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.319 Was there any like tracks or anything where it was at Uh, yeah, 313 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:03.240 there was a There was two that were pretty good, I mean good for 314 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:10.279 you know, good enough to cast, But I don't remember how many of 315 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:12.400 them were actually like visible. There might have been, you know, some 316 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:18.279 other smudges where it's like that's not really that's not really worth anything. But 317 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:19.720 that's that's kind of where our brain was at the time, because you know, 318 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.480 we didn't know that, oh, you need to like cast everything that 319 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.799 you got. So we got some casting material. We ended up only having 320 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:33.440 enough to do one of them, I believe, or we just chose to 321 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.960 do the cleanest one out of all of them. But we did take pictures 322 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:40.720 or Sarah did, my wife, She did take pictures, you know, 323 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:45.359 of where the prints were. So there's the before and after, and we 324 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.839 do have the we still have the cast of you know, where it was 325 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:55.759 standing on the thermal video. I don't remember if we've even ever talked about 326 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.480 it really, but I mean you hear a lot of reports and stuff. 327 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.960 You know, a lot of the investigations that I did where it was people 328 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.119 who had these things coming up on their property. You had them messing around 329 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.559 with things on the property itself. Sometimes it would you know, they would 330 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.160 take something and then bring it back or move it in the yard or something, 331 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.200 or slap the side of the house. Did you experience anything like that. 332 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:25.720 I didn't experience any like uh. I mean there has been there has 333 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:32.200 been some things that are weird, but it's hard to it's hard to attribute 334 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:37.039 it completely to bigfoot, Like I mean, let's say, uh, let's 335 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.799 say like uh, one of our one of our trees or something that snapped. 336 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.599 I mean, there could be other explanations for that, you know, 337 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.480 I'm talking about like like small trees that are planted m hm. And so 338 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:55.079 it's kind of it's kind of difficult to determine if that actually was by a 339 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.039 bigfoot, but there was a I've heard a lot of people talk about like 340 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.200 an active areas, about hearing having like their house tapped on or slapped and 341 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.400 stuff like that. Yeah, I never I never noticed that until it must 342 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.519 have been a year and a half or two years ago. I was. 343 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:17.319 I was dead asleep at midnight twelve thirty sometime around then, and I just 344 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:22.880 hear this bang on the side of the house and I got up, grabbed 345 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.640 my pistol and go outside. I'm expecting to see like the garbage cans outside 346 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.079 like tipped over or something, you know, like some type of animal messing 347 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.599 with it. There was nothing disturbed on the outside of the house. I 348 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.680 mean, it was just one bang on the side of the house and that 349 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:45.200 was it. Aside from that, my my kids have my kids have talked 350 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.440 about hearing tapping on their windows at night, and it's gotten to the point 351 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:55.880 where I mean, this was this was a couple of years ago, and 352 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.279 I mean it was to the point where you know, they were afraid at 353 00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:03.799 times, not not constantly, but when it would happen, it would it 354 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:10.119 would get him spooked out. Has the dog ever picked up on anything I 355 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.119 mean, I know you can't ask it or anything, but has it ever 356 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:18.839 alerted that he might be kind of suspicious that it was alerting to a bigfoot 357 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:25.599 earlier earlier this year, I was I was sitting outside and had a fire 358 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:30.720 going, and there was I don't remember what the vocalization was, but there 359 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.960 was a vocalization that we heard, and then he just I mean, he's 360 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.960 a big german shepherd. He ran to the back door of the house and 361 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.759 like it was like he didn't want any smoke. He just wanted to go 362 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.839 inside. He was out, Yeah, I mean, no barking, nothing. 363 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.799 He just didn't want to have anything to do with that. Like, 364 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.880 wasn't there another like thermal signature or something that you guys saw on the field. 365 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.880 Yeah, So we're going down this We're going down this trail. It's 366 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:02.599 the same area that I all one in the daylight. We're going down that 367 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.720 trail and as we get down there, it smells like it's like a smell 368 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.599 that smells like garbage. And it must be about one o'clock in the morning, 369 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:19.200 and me and Ben and Shane are just like just staying still for a 370 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.799 moment, and Shane's looking around with the thermal camera and then he's like, 371 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.319 oh, he I think she's from behind a tree over here. And then 372 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.640 he's describing like a big head that's you know, peeking out and nope, 373 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.839 he's looking at that for it seems as if it was seconds or so. 374 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.799 I don't remember how long it was, but then it was there's a there's 375 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.839 a creek down there, and all of a sudden, there's just like it 376 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:52.960 sounded like huge objects were getting thrown into the creek, and uh, we 377 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.079 were just like, oh, we're getting uh, we're getting pretty worked up. 378 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.680 I think I was more afraid than everybody else in the group was. 379 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.960 And because we're in the wooded area, they're Shane seeing something behind the tree, 380 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:10.640 and then we're hearing this splashing gun by the creek, which it sounds 381 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.079 like something is trying to differ our attention over that way. But I just 382 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.839 wanted to get out of the tree line and get into the open field where 383 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:22.599 I don't have to worry about, you know, as something right around the 384 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.119 next bend that I'm not expecting, you know, I mean, I know 385 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.359 we're going there to I know we're going there to, you know, try 386 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:33.559 to see if we can see a sasquatch. But it's when they're that close 387 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.319 at night, it does it does seem kind of scary. I mean, 388 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:44.000 do you feel that they're like a predator, some sort of predator. Do 389 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.559 you feel threatened by them or I don't feel like they've ever tried to do 390 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.640 anything to like hurt us or anything like that. I don't. I think 391 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.400 that you know, something like that could happen with any animal if you tested 392 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:02.640 your limits. But uh, I've as far as other stories on the reservation 393 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:09.759 goes, I've heard of them throwing rocks at people while they're fishing. I've 394 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:15.400 heard that more than one time, probably three or four times. Have you 395 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:21.200 talked to anybody on the reservation. That's also how a siding. I've talked 396 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.640 to quite a few people that I've seen them. That was That was one 397 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:29.279 of the first things that I did after after seeing one in the daylight, 398 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.680 was Ah, I was thinking, man, based on the based on the 399 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.839 time that I spend outside, this other guy spends like all of his time 400 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.960 outside fishing, hunting, everything not sick, and he just lives up the 401 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.480 road for me, So I was like, I know that he had experiences 402 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:50.680 with him if if I've if he spends that much more time outside than I 403 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.400 do. And I just started asking him about it, and yeah, he 404 00:32:53.440 --> 00:33:00.160 would, he would tell me his stories and they they seemed believable. I'm 405 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.920 I'm just wondering how long these things have lived in that area, in the 406 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.480 within like the community like that and everything. I mean, I know you 407 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:14.960 and I years ago have like talked about all this stuff, like how they 408 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.720 possibly travel around your property and everything, and it's just kind of a really 409 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:25.440 unique environment. There seems to be like a lot of history with them in 410 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:31.920 the area. I believe it was. It was in the eighties whenever that 411 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.480 deputy sheriff or somebody found the tracks over there, Yeah, over in Porter 412 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:43.279 Creek, and that's about that's about ten miles away as far as the crow 413 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.799 flies from where we live. I mean, I don't think that that's out 414 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.359 of range to I mean, not necessarily. That's a long time ago, 415 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:57.039 being in the eighties, and what seemed to be you know, adult sasquatch 416 00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.920 footprints, So I wouldn't even know if like those would still be alive at 417 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:07.960 this point. But one would think that what we've experienced around our property is 418 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:14.719 there's a there's at least a possibility like you're dealing with sasquatch that were maybe 419 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:22.519 related to the report from Port Creek and around the area back in the eighties. 420 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.360 You know, everybody always ask the same question, what do you think 421 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.840 they are? But like, does their behavior come across as an animal or 422 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.960 a human to you? I don't know. I mean we have there's been 423 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.440 there's been things that I've heard when Ben and I have you know, been 424 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:45.280 outside back in twenty thirteen, like by the fire where it sounded like there 425 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.599 was some type of death talking going on. I mean, if they're if 426 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.719 they're talking, that seems like it's that seems like it's uh, it sounds 427 00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.039 like it's getting pretty close to human, you know. I mean, you 428 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.880 say, a lot more primitive, but uh, I mean, if they 429 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:08.000 got to if they have some type of language that they're able to communicate with, 430 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.639 it seems like they're seems like they're of a higher intelligence than you know, 431 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:17.239 just a gorilla. You know, what was the most recent thing that 432 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.880 you attribute to them that's happened on your property in the last couple of months. 433 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:28.079 There's been there's been some you know, distant things that I've heard. 434 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:35.400 Uh, some maybe even closer than others. But uh, Chris got some 435 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:43.800 Chris got some recordings in August that he emailed to me, and you know, 436 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:51.199 they're from our property and they it sounds like it sounds like some type 437 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:57.519 of yelling going around going on in the field behind us, kind of by 438 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:02.239 the river. And there's accompanied with some tree knocks as well. I thought 439 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:07.159 that was pretty interesting. If you walk out your back door, how far 440 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.239 away is the recorder that he has set up? Probably three hundred yards? 441 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:20.639 Man, doesn't that spook you out a little bit? Like these recordings that 442 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.039 you know it's picking up and like the vocalizations and stuff is like, I 443 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:30.360 mean, it's right there. You know. Like whenever I was actively going 444 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:37.360 out in the field at the peak of my research career whatever you want to 445 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.159 call it, I was driving like three hours away from my house and you're 446 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.880 talking about like, yeah, I walk out my back door and it's just 447 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:50.679 like right there, you know. Yeah, I mean that would be unnerving, 448 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.760 I would think. Yeah. And the thing about back in twenty thirteen 449 00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:00.360 is there would be times, like even on work nights, that I'd stay 450 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:05.440 up really late, like twelve thirty one o'clock in the morning, and it 451 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.679 seemed like it seemed like around midnight, like eleven thirty and midnight, it 452 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:13.320 seems like the odds were better of something happening, you know, as it 453 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.480 got a little bit later. Yeah, And I simply I simply haven't been 454 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.159 staying up that late anymore. And that's, you know why, A lot 455 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.320 of why, I mean, you just get keep burned out doing that. 456 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.920 But there was there was a there was a good solid year that I was 457 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:30.679 staying up a long time. I remember back whenever we used to both be 458 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:36.239 staying up late at night on the phone together like a couple of little high 459 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:40.840 school girls, and like listening to stuff like over the phone, like being 460 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.400 on the phone with you and then like howling and stuff in the background. 461 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.800 Yeah, I remember. I remember specifically, I was on the phone with 462 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.239 you one time, and I mean, this wasn't there's a there's an old 463 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.880 house that's on our property. It's not the house we live in, but 464 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:02.000 we use it for storage and stuff. And I was sitting at the gazebo 465 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:07.280 and I hear I hear a slap on that house, and I was like, 466 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.440 did you hear that? You're yeah, yeah, yeah, But I 467 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.639 remember that and I remember there. I remember talking with you, and you 468 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.440 know, there was some other things that I believe you heard over the phone 469 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.239 too. I can't remember what it was, but there's something triggering in my 470 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:30.159 memory about the barn. It's not your barn, it's not on your property, 471 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.400 but it's close by. I think, yeah, yeah, Uh, 472 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:44.679 one time, one time, my friend Kirk and uh West Germer and Shannon 473 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.360 Shannon Lagreaux was over and we took a walk over there, and it was 474 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:53.679 there was quite a bit of rainfall that was coming down that night. So 475 00:38:54.400 --> 00:39:00.880 the at the time it was the it was our tribes barn. So it 476 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.119 wasn't like it wasn't like we were trespassing or anything like that, like we 477 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:08.239 could we could beat there, but they just they had just used it for 478 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:13.480 like storing like heavy equipment and stuff at the time, I believe. So 479 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.639 we were just we're just standing under there and because it's you know, rain 480 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.079 and hard, we're in that barn. And I'm not I'm not attributing this 481 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.199 to Bigfoot and I'm not I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that it's 482 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:32.440 impossible that there wasn't some person with a headlamp but uh, as we're in 483 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.320 the barn, Kirk says, hey, what's that light that's heading towards us 484 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:43.280 right now? And it looks as if it's just a like like a white 485 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.199 light that's coming towards us. And so I'm assuming it's like somebody in a 486 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.800 headlamp. But I'm thinking, like, what are they doing at one o'clock 487 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.480 in the morning with you know, headlamp on, you know, coming through 488 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.639 the woods. And uh, Kirk's the one with a thermal camera at that 489 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.159 time, and so it kept coming towards us and then it just dove towards 490 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:07.840 the ground. Kirk was saying like he could he he was the first one 491 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:12.039 to see the light that was coming towards us, and he was just saying 492 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.679 that there was there was nothing on thermal. As he was looking at it, 493 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.880 he couldn't see anything on thermal. He could see the white light, 494 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.239 but when he's looking through the thermal imager, there's nothing like he should be 495 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:28.840 able to see it. And that's uh that that's kind of going down like 496 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.800 a rabbit hole. Not saying that, I'm not saying that it was anything. 497 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.559 Maybe maybe we were looking at a person with a white head lamp. 498 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:43.920 That's that's possible. But it was weird that they weren't detected through the thermal 499 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:49.960 imager because there wasn't there wasn't a lot of in the in that particular area. 500 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.679 There wasn't a lot of like underbrush that I would think would be enough 501 00:40:52.719 --> 00:41:00.840 to diffuse the thermal imager. And and where did they go that I don't 502 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:07.360 know, Like every like everything, everything like stopped right there, like as 503 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.519 far as the light goes, and then on then on the other side of 504 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.239 the building, we hear this smack as we're in there, and then that's 505 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.480 when we are getting a little bit jumpy, and you know, we got 506 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:24.480 out of there. But I don't I don't think that I don't know what 507 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:29.719 any of that was. But that's just that story has been told before. 508 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:34.400 It's not necessarily my favorite story to tell. But that happened, and there 509 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:38.840 could be a there could be a perfectly you know, logical explanation as to, 510 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:45.159 you know, what all of that was. But I do think that 511 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.599 I do think it's possible that weird things happen, you know as well, 512 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.559 right right, And so I don't think like we were seeing I don't think 513 00:41:53.599 --> 00:42:00.199 that we were seeing like a sad I don't attribute that sasquatch to that life 514 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.360 to a sasquatch like uh hatching you know out of a portal or anything like 515 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.800 that. But I mean you have seen what people would call orbs or strange 516 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.679 lights in the area. I mean, I'm not tribuning in that is necessarily 517 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:21.079 connected to bigfoot or anything, but I mean it is definitely something weird. 518 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:28.440 I mean, I maybe it was a person. I don't know. There's 519 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.559 been a as far as like the as far as like the strange lights that 520 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:36.519 like, like I don't even know, I don't even know what an orb 521 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.760 is, but like a strange light. There was one time I was outside 522 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.880 and I could see this. I could see this red light that was, 523 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.360 you know, just one red light that was, you know, moving over 524 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.840 by the tree line. It's not impossible that what I saw wasn't somebody with 525 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.800 a red headlamp on that was like you know, looking to uh pick mushrooms 526 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.360 or something like that. That's that's possibility, but it was just it was 527 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:06.639 weird seeing that red light moving through there. So there's there's that, and 528 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.239 you know, on a on another time, I seen this, uh a 529 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:20.800 couple of or this orangish light orangish reddish light on the hillside that I've never 530 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.440 seen before. It could have been some strange you know, natural human light 531 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.320 over and off in the distance, but it was just weird. I'd never 532 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:35.960 seen it before. There was a strange coyote pelt or something. Yeah. 533 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.599 Did I send you pictures of that at the time. I don't. I 534 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:44.039 don't remember if you sent me pictures or not. I'm trying to remember like 535 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.840 everything, Like what was the story behind that? Oh well, I mean, 536 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:53.199 it was just it was just an obscure spot on the on the Barberire 537 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.400 fence, you know, that's on the border of our property, and I 538 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:01.960 just happened to be walking through or it wasn't like it wasn't like it was 539 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:07.800 in a spot that stood out or anything. But it was a coyote pelt, 540 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.079 just like the fur you know, attached. Yeah, not a body 541 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.199 of a coyote, not like a coyote got caught up in the Barboier fence. 542 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.480 No, not a body, no, as if it was skinned and 543 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:29.599 it was just wrapped around the the Barboier fence. And I don't I just 544 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.920 thought that was weird because that's not that's not that's not something that's gonna that's 545 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.400 like funny, it's not something that's gonna get my attention. Like, if 546 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.440 you wanted to get my attention, you know, do something to weird me 547 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.119 out, put that on my windshield, you know, right, And that's 548 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.239 creepy, dude. Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. 549 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.840 So you've you know, gone to other places besides your property. Have you 550 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:58.760 had anything where it happened somewhere else? Oh? Yeah, definitely in the 551 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:06.159 Cascades, I have. There's been. I've been on I've been on trips 552 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:10.519 with friends in the Olympics where other people have had stuff happen. But you 553 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:15.639 know, when you're spread out at different camps and stuff like that, everybody's 554 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.559 you know, off doing their own thing. There there's a good chance that 555 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.480 you're not going to be a part of any activity that's had on that trip. 556 00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:27.440 In the Cascades, there's been, there's been. Uh, there's a 557 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.480 place that we go to and yeah, there's there's quite a few things that 558 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:38.920 have happened throughout the years. Good vocalizations, uh, really loud knocks and 559 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:44.400 it's it has a it has a good history of reports throughout the years as 560 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.239 well. I mean, I know a few of the people that you go 561 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:52.519 out there with and they all have stories from there as well that are pretty 562 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:59.599 crazy. It sounds like a pretty active area. Yeah, it's been active 563 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:05.280 for a long time. Why do you think, like you have like that 564 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:10.519 spot right, and it seems like a lot of the stuff that happens there 565 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:20.039 is like loud, really bold stuff, and then you have the behavior around 566 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.639 your house, Like why do you think like the differences in behavior, like 567 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:28.239 do you think they're just trying to like sneak around or something where you're at 568 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.440 or are they more used to being around people where you are compared out there, 569 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.400 or I don't know. I would I would kind of think that in 570 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.000 that area in the Cascades that they would feel and this is just my thought. 571 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.559 I would think that they would feel certain areas like a little more entitled, 572 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.360 like, hey, nobody camps here. You guys shouldn't be camping here, 573 00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.679 you know. And that's that's just my that's just my thoughts. So 574 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:58.559 I think that's why some of the behavior can come across as a little more 575 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:05.599 bold on their part. But one thing that this isn't This isn't anything that's 576 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.519 groundbreaking or anything like that. I would imagine that they probably sound similar in 577 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:17.039 different regions, but the whoops, like the whoop like that kind of vocalization, 578 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.679 they basically sound close to identical from the whoops that I've heard here and 579 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:30.039 over there. Do you have people still coming to your property and investigating other 580 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.440 than just you know, setting up the audio recorders. No, I mean 581 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.039 as far as sometimes we'll have sometimes we'll have friends come over for a camp 582 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:44.239 out or in a barbecue and things like that. But other than that, 583 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:49.280 I mean, it's it isn't like it isn't like before. Not that you 584 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.639 ever tried to, like, you know, put the limelight on your property 585 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.559 or anything with it. But I just know that, you know, like 586 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:59.800 you're saying before, there's a lot of people always trying to come to your 587 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:06.400 property and investigating stuff. And I just wondered if you had kind of squashed 588 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:10.639 that and eased off from that. Yeah, I mean we've we've definitely, 589 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.559 we've definitely held off on that. But the reason that we the reason that 590 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.519 we allowed some people to you know, come out beforehand, was because you 591 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.119 know, we have when you when you're saying, hey, I got a 592 00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:28.239 thermal video, and we got these audio recordings that we believe are sasquatch and 593 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.199 stuff like that, and you got enough of them. It's you're kind of 594 00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.360 that's kind of big talk. So you have to you kind of have to 595 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.159 have people verify that you're not just you know, full of crap, and 596 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.840 that there's legitimacy to it. So that was the that was the whole intention 597 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.119 of doing that in the first place. Yeah, I mean, there's not 598 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:54.920 too many people that are in a situation like you, uh, where they've 599 00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:00.360 actually faced the fire of the Bigfoot community, you know which and be a 600 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.039 difficult task. It causes a lot of problems because, you know, the 601 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.159 first thing people do is try to pick it apart and dissect it and call 602 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:12.039 you a liar and call you a hoaxer and everything else. And that's to 603 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:19.039 me, one of the interesting things about your thermal footage is that it's held 604 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:23.400 up to scrutiny with anybody that's actually looked into it and actually taken the time 605 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:28.199 to verify any of it. One story, the guy who had the cattle 606 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:36.400 that was here, he had a he would he would you know, lease 607 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.320 out the field from the tribe behind us. And you know, when he 608 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.079 would be tending to his cattle and stuff. He told me that one time 609 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.599 he was down by the river and he saw something brown that was in the 610 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:54.920 river and it was bent over with its head underwater, and it was harry 611 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.039 and brown. And I was like, was it a bear deer? Elk 612 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.320 no, no, no enough. It was on two legs. It was 613 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:06.800 bent over with its head in the water, on two legs. Yeah. 614 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:08.840 And this guy wasn't This guy wasn't like into bigfoot or anything like that by 615 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.360 any means. I mean, how deep is the river right there? He 616 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:19.239 described it being in the summertime, so I mean there's probably some areas where 617 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:25.719 you know, it's still there's still deep pockets. Yeah, I don't know. 618 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.119 It seemed like he said, it was like up to its waist and 619 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.440 it just had its it had its head underwater. Like I don't I don't 620 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.920 know what it would be tuned with its head underwater. I'm sure there's a 621 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.360 good reason for that, but I just can't think of it. I could 622 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.840 it have been trying to fish or catch a fish or something. That's the 623 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.360 only thing that makes sense to me, because it doesn't seem like a very 624 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.840 smart way to take a drink of water by putting your head on it. 625 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.639 I know this woman here in Oklahoma, and very early on in the podcast, 626 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.880 I had her and her sister come on, and her her sister had 627 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:06.159 a sighting of what I believe was a bigfoot while she was fishing. But 628 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:15.199 like the one that she saw was underwater and raised up from beneath the surface. 629 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.480 Like she never saw it like get in the water or anything. She 630 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.559 just saw it kind of bob up and then go back under and she freaked 631 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:29.639 out and left. And I this area where she was fishing at was a 632 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.400 river where they do a lot of noodling, which is hand fishing, like 633 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.320 catching catfish with their hands, like diving under the water and catching fish. 634 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.280 And I wondered if, like, is it possible that they had seen like 635 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:46.639 people doing that there and that that's what they were doing. It was just 636 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.920 so weird, So like I wonder, you know, if this was like 637 00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:55.440 another case where maybe it was fishing, it could have been. That's that's 638 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.800 one of the first things that I was thinking of, because it's not like 639 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:02.320 it lost its ring and it's looking for that or anything. I mean, 640 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.039 there's just like, you know, you were talking about your grandfather's story. 641 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.039 But there's like lots of stories of like them taking like fish from fishermen and 642 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:16.159 stuff, especially out where you live. Yeah, I've heard of I've heard 643 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.079 one of the fishermen telling me about going to check his net and seeing a 644 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:27.480 sasquatch at his net pulling fish out of it. And I don't remember what. 645 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.000 I don't remember he said that he did afterwards, if he left or 646 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:37.360 if it ran off or what happened. But there's that story in particular, 647 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:42.000 and I've heard I've heard of them doing that on other reservations as well, 648 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.239 but I think that's the only one that I'm familiar with that they've done on 649 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.360 our reservation. I mean, if they've done it once, I'm sure they 650 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.400 do it all the time, because I mean that's it's not very hard to 651 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.119 watch somebody fish with a net and like, oh, you just have to 652 00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.760 pull the fish out of there. Cool. Yeah. One one story that 653 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:05.880 I forgot about was I can't remember if it was at the beginning of twenty 654 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.719 twenty two or if it was the beginning of twenty twenty one, but I 655 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:12.639 just remember it was early in the year. I can't remember how long. 656 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.639 How far in advance that he said it was. I thought it was a 657 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:20.800 couple of weeks. But I go to the I go to the gas station 658 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:29.039 and it was it's on the reservation. It's really busy, and there's a 659 00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.639 lot of people and a long line in there. And the guy that's the 660 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:37.360 guy that was working in there, he was he's close to my age and 661 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:42.199 just he starts talking. I'm at the counter and he goes, hey, 662 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.440 I saw one of those creepy black things cross the road by your house a 663 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:50.199 couple of weeks ago. I was kind of embarrassed because he's talking about this 664 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.519 in public, you know, and there's people around. And I was like, 665 00:53:53.800 --> 00:54:00.239 all right, so you mean like a sasquatch. He's like eh, 666 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.840 And I was like, what was it doing. He goes, they just 667 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.639 crossed the road and went and the trees be over by your place. He's 668 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.239 like, it was all it was all black. And I was like, 669 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.400 was it big? And he goes, no, it wasn't that big. 670 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.360 It was close to our side. And that was crossing the road by your 671 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:21.360 house, like the road that goes in front of your house. Yeah, 672 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.599 there's a culvert over there. And he said that's where it was. BA. 673 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:28.559 Has that area across from your house been developed at all? No, 674 00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:34.360 because you know I always thought that that was a good spot over there. 675 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:39.320 Uh huh, No, there's no, there's not much that's there's not much 676 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:44.639 in the general area that's changed over the years. Wow. I would think 677 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:46.840 that a bigfoot would if there was a whole lot of changes, And if 678 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.119 you were a Bigfoot, I would think that that would, you know, 679 00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:54.239 be something that would maybe make you think, like it's getting little too populated 680 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:59.480 here, maybe we should not come here so often whatever. I don't know, 681 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:01.920 I mean, and maybe that's the reason that they've hung around there for 682 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:07.400 so long, because it is a reservation, so you don't have like a 683 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.960 whole lot of like booming growth in population or you know, clearcutting and new 684 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.840 buildings being built and stuff like that over the years like you do in regular 685 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:23.800 society. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's private land that's around us, 686 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:28.480 and you know, it's there's it's not like there's a big housing development 687 00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:34.840 anywhere close. You've got the audio recorder on your property, but uh, 688 00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:39.960 something that you know, I'm sure people listening would want to know, do 689 00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.679 you have video cameras or trail cams or anything set up on your property trying 690 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:54.480 to get footage of one. Uh, well, Chris has a Chris Spencer 691 00:55:54.519 --> 00:56:01.400 has a contraption that he set up. It's something without without like giving too 692 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:07.440 much detail. Yeah, like I don't really know that. I don't really 693 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.960 know that he wants. I don't really think I could speak to his setup 694 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.119 that he has going on, but uh, he does have he does have 695 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:24.480 something that he's trying out. So you have a YouTube channel, Yeah, 696 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:31.519 and you've posted some of the stuff from your property on there. But talk 697 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:37.039 a little bit about the documentary that you made. So when you were when 698 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:44.480 we were talking about that area and the cascades that we go, that's a 699 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.880 lot of those stories, are you know from then? And uh, it 700 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.599 was when I when I made that, Like we go we go out camping 701 00:56:54.360 --> 00:57:00.199 quite a few times per year at that particular spot, and it doesn't like 702 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.960 it. It isn't like something I mean just like just like our property. 703 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:06.480 It's not like just because you go outside, it's not like something's gonna happen 704 00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:10.440 every night, right, But there's there's certain places like our property in that 705 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:16.280 place in the cascades where you definitely have better odds than other places over the 706 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:21.280 years. There's some stories from there that I wanted to share, and it 707 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.679 took me a long time, but I finally did put up a thirty five 708 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:30.599 minute little documentary on you know, some things that were that we considered interesting 709 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:37.599 and some vocalizations that were captured. Uh. Kirk actually got a couple of 710 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:42.559 really good recordings that are on there. Kirk Brandenburg, do you plan on 711 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:50.079 doing future documentaries? I would like to. I would like to. I 712 00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.159 mean when I'm when I go out camping, you know, I I take 713 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.360 video of you know, stuff that I think looks cool and stuff like that. 714 00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.440 But uh, I mean, it's just a matter of if there's if 715 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:07.400 there's enough evidence that you know, gets built up from you know, different 716 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.519 different trips that we take. You know, it's a it's a strong possibility. 717 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.679 Have you ever thought about making a documentary about your story and your property 718 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:21.719 and everything? Yeah, I have, and that's I've I've started it before 719 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.840 I've stopped. I've but yeah, that is one of the things that I've 720 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.400 planned to do so that you know, everything can I think I think everything 721 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:37.320 would be put into a better context for everybody and they'd have a better understanding 722 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.840 of you know, what we're talking about. Yeah, I mean, because 723 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:45.239 it's an interesting story and it's you know, that's what I try to express 724 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:52.880 to people that Like, for instance, the other night, I was a 725 00:58:52.000 --> 00:59:01.159 guest on Bigfoot Society with Jeremiah Byron, And it's kind of weird whenever I'm 726 00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:07.239 in the guest seat because I'm telling my stories and you know, people want 727 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:12.280 to hear the experiences and everything. But that stuff took place over a very 728 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.199 long amount of time, you know, and you're just getting it condensed down 729 00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.000 into an hour. And I feel that your property is the same way. 730 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.760 There's so much stuff that's happened and been experienced at your house and around your 731 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:29.880 house, but it's over an extremely large amount of time, and I mean 732 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:34.639 it's still ongoing. It's still something that's happening now. So to condense the 733 00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:38.119 story down and putting it sort of in a sequence of events and timeline, 734 00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:44.480 I think would be really interesting and beneficial. Yeah. And as I was 735 00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:50.280 telling you before we started, before you started recording, I had just talked 736 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.559 with a guy yesterday who was you know, telling me his bigfoot stories that 737 00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:59.440 you know, he had from the last year or so, just on another 738 00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:05.199 area of the and we're not we're not. We're not like these special Indians 739 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.960 on the reservation who you know, uh get these they're not. It's not 740 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:14.559 like we have visitations or anything like that. Like they pass through from time 741 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.519 to time. There's other places. There's other places on the reservation where you 742 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:24.400 know people, other people got stories as well. So it's it's not for 743 01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:28.840 our reservation. It's not that special. There's there's quite a few people that 744 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.920 have you seen them before? So what's the name of your YouTube channel if 745 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:40.960 people want to check it out, It's a Salish Sasquatch. Salish Sasquatch say 746 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.800 that six times fast. I guess you probably could. All right, man, 747 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:49.440 uh, I appreciate you coming on and talking to me, of course. 748 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:53.199 I'm glad that our friendship has been rekindled. Yeah, for sure, 749 01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:58.079 thanks for having me on. Yeah, man, I'm definitely gonna have you 750 01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:01.480 on in the future. We can share some more exciting stuff from the Brown 751 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.960 property. And if you've encountered a bigfoot or something else you can't explain, 752 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:12.480 send me an email at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. Check out my website 753 01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.920 Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links to social media, merchandise, all 754 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:20.800 the past episodes, everything you need, all in one place, and until 755 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:22.480 next time, remember there's something in the woods.