WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.639 Karen, I think we finally made it. I'm excited. Well, I 2 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:07.480 mean, when you have a celebrity with the cred that our next guest has, 3 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:10.320 you know, that's when you finally made it. I know, this 4 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:12.599 is so awesome, right. So, you've seen her on the smash hit 5 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:17.320 show Ghost Adventures, which is Travel Channel and Discovery Plus's number one paranormal show. 6 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.440 And if that wasn't enough, you've also seen her on any of a 7 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:25.079 dozen other shows, from Master Chef to Wipe Out to America's Got Talent, 8 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:29.559 a bunch of podcasts, radio and video shows. She's worked with legends like 9 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:33.640 Emma Stone, John Voyd, Josh Damel, Chevy Chase, Gregory Hines, 10 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.039 and she's conducted seances on radio, film and TV. And that's not even 11 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.439 coming close to any any of it. Did I mention we finally made it? 12 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.399 I know? I feel like you know, this is charity for her, 13 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:49.799 so talking to us, and we will gladly accept it. Thank you 14 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:54.560 so much. My name is Will and I'm Karen, and unlike Boulder and 15 00:00:54.640 --> 00:01:00.479 Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. 16 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:11.200 Welcome to skeptic politicians. Classics. You are listening to the classic Skeptic 17 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:36.239 Metaphysicians. Welcome to classic and skepticis Welcome to our version of a walkdown memory 18 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:41.680 Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic met Physician Library. Warts and all, 19 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.359 Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will and we are the host for 20 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.840 this particular journey of discovery. We are excited if you couldn't tell by now, 21 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.439 because we get to talk to psychic medium and good Witch of Hollywood. 22 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.120 Aside from all the other stuff I mentioned, she's also an international best selling 23 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:15.199 author. She's worked with massive influencers, YouTubers, crossover talents like Lily Singh, 24 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.319 Good Mythical Morning, and Awesomeness TV, and she's been featured on the 25 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:25.520 number one paranormal show on YouTube, tfil with Elton Caste. She's graced numerous 26 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.960 magazine covers. She's contributed to over twenty books. She has a popular weekly 27 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.919 podcast called The Witching Hour, and if that wasn't busy enough, she's also 28 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:40.800 just launched her second weekly podcast, Patty Nagri's Haunted Journal and Yes there's an 29 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:46.039 Aunt. She's also a partner and vice president of paraflix dot com streaming service, 30 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:53.199 and she's a partner and educator at University MAGICUS, an online spirituality school. 31 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:58.039 I think that at least they've scratched the surface. But let's welcome to 32 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.159 the show. Patty. Thank you so much for coming on, and you 33 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:04.120 are so welcome. You guys are so cute. Thank you for having me 34 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.080 on. You said my name perfectly, Negree, Patty Negri because I always 35 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:15.439 go in rhymes with nothing, my entire life decades going Negrie rhymes with nothing. 36 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:19.800 And it's a weird name that people get. How do I say that 37 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:23.159 name right? I used to was able to say Begley rhymes of Ed Begley, 38 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.520 who's an actor and an activist. But people don't know who he is 39 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.639 anymore. But that means nothing. I certainly do. Who doesn't know who 40 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:35.520 iss A. He's a big name. I'm surprised we didn't put his name 41 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.599 on the creds those dark kids, I guess, I guess because it sounds 42 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.960 like that, but no, so you said it right. Well, you're 43 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.639 gonna be a lot of fun to talk to. I can already tell you 44 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.280 are our type of people. This is going to be so much fun. 45 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.800 So I'm a little overwhelmed because I don't know where to start right. One 46 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.560 of the things that when that I do when I bring a guest on is 47 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.199 I do a little bit of research on them, and I found that there 48 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:00.840 is just so much about you that I think we need a these four shows 49 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.280 so you can come close to covering it. But one thing that strikes my 50 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:12.520 curiosity because on your website you really talk about the fact that you conduct seances, 51 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.960 and that's not something that we've talked to on the show before. Because 52 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.680 when you think about seances, when you think about that Madame Xanadu where the 53 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.759 table's moving and you get the crystal ball in the center and people holding hands 54 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:29.240 and there's someone in the other room kind of making room. So what does 55 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.360 a typical seance with Patty Negret look like? It looks like a lot of 56 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.199 different things. I've literally been doing them since I was seven or eight, 57 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:39.439 if you read my bio on that, I've always been kind of I've always 58 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.199 been able to talk to the other side, and I've always been obsessed with 59 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.560 the dead, and never in a darker morbid way, you know, like 60 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.839 most people are nice, most ghosts are and I so I literally went in 61 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.480 my little suburban hallway, closed all the doors, realized I didn't know dead 62 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:59.199 people came up with a way because the way I see energy, that's wart. 63 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.480 I lift the enclose a veil, so I'm Marilyn Monroe and John whoever 64 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:08.199 I knew at age seven or eight, filled with orbs and lights, and 65 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.959 I went running out and jumping up and down at the same time, going 66 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:15.959 this is real. So I've spent my entire life studying science, a cult, 67 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.519 science, a religion, philosophy, metaphysics and all sorts, and take 68 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.600 it down to the energy that I do see, and it's pretty great. 69 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:28.079 So my style of seance I work as a little bit of the old fashioned 70 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.879 spiritualist turn in the last story, give me a nice table and give me 71 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.600 a crystal ball, gret. I don't have anybody in the other room going 72 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:40.240 woo, not even on TV. But there's this gentle way to it. 73 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.680 It's funny because my real siance is we're going to talk to you or deceiased 74 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.079 loved ones. We're going to call in grandma and uncle and the kid that 75 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.720 died when you were in school, and they're so happy to come. And 76 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.240 the way I lift the veil that everybody, whether it's a you know, 77 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.839 you know at thirteen people around on my dining room table, or it's a 78 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:02.120 hall with six hundred people in a mediumship, everybody gets more psychic than everybody. 79 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.240 Wow, I could kind of kind of see my dad. I can 80 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:11.040 kind of feel it because it's like peeking in, and that's just something I 81 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.040 was innately born with. It's interesting because again, they are these sweet, 82 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.879 empowering things. If you see me doing it on television, not necessarily so, 83 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:23.079 because TV doesn't want to talk to Grandma. They want to talk to 84 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.839 the serial killer and the Saint Asylum who start fourteen people and I get to 85 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:31.399 channel that person. You know, Grandma loves you, so they can go 86 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:38.560 any which way as I work elementally, so I don't try to offend anybody 87 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.560 religion wise or philosophy wise in how I open and how I close. As 88 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:47.040 a reformed TV news producer, I understand if it bleeds, it leads, 89 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.720 So I get why people would want to talk to serial killers and all that 90 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:56.279 kind of stuff. But so you you've actually performed seances on television, in 91 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.240 radio shows, you've actually worked, I mean, you were known as the 92 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.040 good witch of Hollywood. Right, So you work with big, big names 93 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:08.639 to do things. And I know that we all live in an MDA world, 94 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.120 so we can't talk specifics about stuff, which I get. But when 95 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:16.079 celebrities come to you the most part, because you are a psychic medium and 96 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:21.000 you're a good witch and you offer spell castings as well as seances and all 97 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:26.519 that kind of stuff. What's the most things that when celebrities come to you 98 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.360 they ask for And it doesn't have to be a celebrity, it could be 99 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:35.240 the secretary next door. First always is love. It just love. Relationships 100 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:41.000 are important to us humans, whether they're wanting relationship or they're wanting to better 101 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:46.680 their relationship or whatever their lung lost love relationship and love is almost always first. 102 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:50.519 Then it's going into career and family second, and then it's going into 103 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:55.319 health and all that stuff like that. Third, and it's across the board. 104 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.959 I don't care if your a list, Academy award winning whoever, whoever, 105 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:01.959 or again the person who just got off the bus trying to make it 106 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.879 for themselves. That's the human thing we want to look at stuff. And 107 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.879 again, the spell working I do, the good witch, I don't like 108 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:15.759 white witch versus black witch, because too many connotations. I work good. 109 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.920 I'm not going to do anything that's negative or hurt anybody else. But what 110 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.879 I see, and since i've as a kid, is that we have away 111 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.040 our power way too much. It's like and if a spell working is a 112 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.839 way to do that, it's not hard to have money, it's not hard 113 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.080 to find the love. Let's see. I literally in my even my spell 114 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.480 working take the mystery out. It's mind, body, spirit, that philosophical 115 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.919 idea that twenty thousand books are written about, from psychology to self help to 116 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:46.399 spirituality and witchcraft and spellcasting, creation, working, dispatch. You have to 117 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.919 create what you want need. You have to know you believe you deserve it, 118 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.399 believe you can have it. Then you're going to do the working. 119 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.879 Then you're going to whether you're grinding a candle or a mortar and pestle, 120 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.919 or you're you know, you're tying knots together and chanting over a fire or 121 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.200 writing out a schedule, creating a thing. And then the spirit is the 122 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.720 magic that makes it happen. So again, whether you can go sit in 123 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:13.360 your psychologist's office and talk about vision boards and affirmations, and New Age stuff. 124 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.519 You go to church, you go to temple, and your prayer, 125 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.840 it all fits the same. It's science as much as anything else. It's 126 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:24.840 however you dress it. And I just show people how to be really good 127 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:30.200 at this because take our power back. We are these amazing beings. We 128 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:35.879 are divine beings. I believe whatever your idea of divine is. And we 129 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.360 have free will. That free will thing is are like get out of jail 130 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.639 free card, and to create the life you want. And people so often 131 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.200 give it away, They give away their power. So figure out who or 132 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.799 what you gave it away to and take it back, you know, whether 133 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:54.039 it's fear other people or limiting belief systems. So that's what I do, 134 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:00.639 whether we're sitting here talking to your dead dad or you know whatever else. 135 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:07.039 And I have so many questions. I know, I know that I kind 136 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.240 of want to start at the beginning. I just need to know. You 137 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.600 said you had these power since you were seven or eight. What was that 138 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.759 like for a kid that young to be in touch with dead people? Was 139 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:20.399 as scary? Did you feel safe? Was it exciting? How did they 140 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:24.200 come to you? So many questions. I just thought everybody could and no, 141 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.320 it started at four, probably when you could talk. The fish I 142 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.639 do seance is started at seven or eight. In my little suburban house. 143 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.559 Four or five, I just knew that those so called imaginary friends little kids 144 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.399 have, we're not all imaginary. I could get real information, what's going 145 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.559 to happen tomorrow, what Uncle Bob's middle name really was. That I wouldn't 146 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.559 stuff like that, And like I said, most spirits and I think kids 147 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.519 do. It's just in our modern society, our western society, our non 148 00:10:54.639 --> 00:11:00.240 mystical society. We said, everything into logic and the left right, that's 149 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.159 your imagineary friends. We've even take the magic and mysticism even out of religion 150 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.279 and stuff. It's like, and we need it. We need it. 151 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.399 Take art out of schools, their math scores go down. So I just 152 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:13.919 thought everybody could talk to them. And I still think kids can until it 153 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.919 gets taught out. And it just didn't get taught out of me. And 154 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:22.000 even on the witchy side of things, I would be in my little suburban 155 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:28.480 backyard in making these weird concoctions of rosemary and mint and mixing them up and 156 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.639 stuffing him in my mom's wallet, knowing that would bring her more money. 157 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.440 She didn't quite get it all the time, like what are you doing? 158 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.440 Why are you putting all these plans into It's like, no, it's money. 159 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.639 No it's not money. Yes it is money. This will give you 160 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.440 money. And I just knew it. And then years later you study herbs 161 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.960 and magic and apothecary and it's like, yeah, I was right. It 162 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:52.440 just knew it. We know things, we just forget and we don't tap 163 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:56.960 into it. Whether you want to call it instinct or intuition. What animals 164 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.480 have it, humans have it too. We just forget. And was your 165 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.480 family supportive? Did they think you were kind of crazy? Did they have 166 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.320 it in them as well? How was that dynamics? Yeah, always supportive 167 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.759 of My mom was always like oh yeah, grandma did that too, Grandma 168 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:13.720 howies would know when somebody's gonna die because her mother would come down at the 169 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.320 end of the bed. So that was good. And I think also it 170 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.759 was kind of lucky about me, is that I was not It was never 171 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.759 evil or bad. I wasn't raised with some kind of religion that told me 172 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.120 that was bad because you talked to dead people. My mom would have been 173 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:31.840 a good old Southern Protestant of whatever. My dad father came over from Turkey. 174 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.960 It would have been a nice Sephardic Jew. But my grandfather was this 175 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:43.840 very famous psychoanalyst, philosopher atheists, practically evangelical atheist, thinking anything religion or 176 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:48.960 spirituality was a weakness and would not have any of it in our family. 177 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:54.320 So we would go by, we'd I dread by a church or a temple, 178 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.039 or a mosque or a park, and I'd see the energy and I'd 179 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.519 see the energy people going in and out, and I want to go in. 180 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.320 And I wanted to go in, but it's like that God word's a 181 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.320 dirty word. I don't say that. So I think I was thirteen years 182 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:13.720 old and there was this really cute Christian rock band playing at my friend's local 183 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.600 church, and I just wanted to go see the really cute Christian rock band. 184 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.240 And I was so scared to ask my mom if I could go to 185 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.639 church. I mean, I would might have fell seafer. Can I go 186 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.639 to a rave? Can I go to somewhere? But it's like can I? 187 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:30.159 And then my mom goes, you could do whatever you want, you 188 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.919 could do anything, And I'm like, So I became a seeker I started 189 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:35.120 going. I went to church, Okay, I like this, I don't 190 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.080 like. I went to temple, I went to a mon I went to 191 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.440 Buddhism, Tibetan, Buddham this that new and then the New Age thing, 192 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:46.240 ooh that's pretty cool, Shirley McLean and all that. And then it's like, 193 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.000 oh, but that's a little squeaky ken. That's a little pasteli for 194 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.480 me. I like a little I'm an earthy girl. And then I discovered 195 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.440 like a pagan path. It's just been this little led by spirit, led 196 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:00.440 by spirit all the way along. Gosh, so many questions and so many 197 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.440 questions. But before we get too far out of it, you just mentioned 198 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.919 stuffing all those urgent things in your mom's purse. Do you feel it's the 199 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.399 actual material that's the magic or is it the intention behind the material that makes 200 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.559 it happen? Because we've heard both sides that of that equation, yes and 201 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.440 yes, yes, yes you know what I knew. You going to say 202 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.159 that I knew it. Yeah, And aspirin is gonna work whether you believe 203 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.480 in it or not. And herbs, why does people think it's so weird 204 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.039 or oils or sense? This is what we make medicine out of So why 205 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.559 mugwork is an enhancer, rosebery is protective, all these things. I don't 206 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.320 know why even people think that's odd, because it's what we make medicine, 207 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.799 it's what we make electronics, everything out of. Yes, the intent, 208 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.720 we have to have intent. If you were going to go deep and you're 209 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.519 going to create something, you do, but it's gonna work no matter what. 210 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.799 It'll just work even better if you if you know what you're doing, 211 00:14:54.799 --> 00:15:00.360 because it fits into that mind body, mind, body spirit or creation working 212 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:07.039 dispatch, you know. And so yeah, both completely both. Yeah, 213 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.679 No, I understand you're talking to someone that has a crystal in his hand 214 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:20.120 as he does every show, so ah, matching, So I totally understand 215 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:22.720 it. But to me, it's more of a it's more of a tool 216 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.759 to help me focus like that. Yeah, And we don't need any tools, 217 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.840 but they're nice to have. You don't need a dishwasher, but if 218 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.000 you just served a five course dinner to twenty people, it's nice to have 219 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:37.600 one. I do believe we don't. We have everything. We have the 220 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.559 receiving hand of a giving hand. We have our breath, which is our 221 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:45.519 new min it's our life force. We have the moisture in our Our moisture 222 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.200 is our free will. That's why some cultures spit like, ah, pretty 223 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.480 baby, you don't. But we have free will, we have life force, 224 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.840 we have breath, we have air, we have sight, we have 225 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.960 we have it all. So if we have nothing, we could still do 226 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.879 magic again. But if we have tools, it's nice. Absolutely. So 227 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.360 what is it like catering to the Hollywood crowd as a as a witch or 228 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:14.320 as a psychic medium. It's great, It's it's again. People are people 229 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:19.039 are people, but people who get to a certain level of success there's something 230 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:23.679 that got them there. Yes, good lucks matter, Yes, talent matters, 231 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.159 because not having the talent you won't stay or whatever. But they have 232 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.320 this energy about them, they have this life force about them. They have 233 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.679 to have a drive about them. You have to have a determination. I 234 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.559 mean most of the time, yes, somebody could be born into something. 235 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:45.440 So these are high vibration, life force people. And also usually to be 236 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.120 into the creative, especially if it's Hollywood creative. There are people who really 237 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.200 I talk a lot left brain, right brain. You're your left reasoning, 238 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.440 rational, logical brain. Got to have that to get through life, but 239 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:00.240 that right creative, intuitive, spiritual, artistic side, and people who get 240 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.639 there, they really know how to dance between the two without us shutting each 241 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.119 other down. Regular people have an intuitive thought, but oh that can't be 242 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:08.839 true. They're shut it to the other down. They know how to dance 243 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.200 between it. So it's nice working with that. Plus it's nice, I 244 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.799 mean, I mean funniest thing, Like you know, a house clearing at 245 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.480 the little you know, the little the little track house down the street is 246 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:25.519 fun. When your house clearing at the Aaron Spelling Mansion, it's like wild, 247 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.079 this house has got nine hundred and twelve rooms. Or you're clearing it's 248 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.119 like, wow, this is the biggest thing I've ever seen. Or you're 249 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.880 having to clear out the phil Spector Castle. It's like, ooh, we 250 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.400 gotta go dark. This needs clearing. Stuff like that. So it's all 251 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.359 great. But other than that, they're these beautiful people. They have the 252 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:53.279 sact same fears and doubts and insecurities and pride and desires. It's just they 253 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.480 get to it, gets get dressed up a little, you know, literally 254 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:02.279 like that brought up and walked on red conference. It's pretty cool. Yeah, 255 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.440 now, Patty you were voted number one psychic medium, trance medium, 256 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:11.920 trow reader, which magical practitioner whatever in the world. Yeah. Crazy, 257 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.359 huh Yeah, in a competition by Times Square Press. How was it that 258 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.799 you got voted number one? I have no idea. No, it was 259 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.720 a vote, an international vote. It was like basically like a people's choice. 260 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.960 How even the Times Square Press thing happened is like years and years and 261 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.279 years ago. Somebody called me up and it was some magazine and done by 262 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.160 Time Square Press, and they said, we are interviewing the ten you know, 263 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:38.160 top psychic mediums and the I don't know nation in the world. I'm 264 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.440 like, great, why are you calling me? Even at that time, 265 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:45.720 I hadn't been doing that much TV stuff because I used to keep that very 266 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.759 separate, very separate until the big economic crash. But I'm like, they 267 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.960 go, no, we don't mean the richest, and we don't mean the 268 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.480 most famous. We mean the ones with the reputation and for the best and 269 00:18:55.599 --> 00:19:00.480 whatever. Okay. And the guy who did that, who was the publisher 270 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.519 or an editor of the magazine, he kind of fell in love with these 271 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.000 ten people that he interviewed, and at that time he said, you guys 272 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.839 need a professional organization for what. He goes, Plumbers have them, doctors 273 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.240 have them, lawyers have them. Because it's true. There is not a 274 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:22.400 worse profession, or more shysters, or more fakes, or more everything you 275 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.680 want to do than this profession. You know, not that many neurosurgeons are, 276 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.960 you know, fake their thing. So he goes, if anybody needs 277 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:33.039 a legitimacy, you guys do. So he started the American Federation of Certified 278 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.240 Psychics and Mediums, where then people would start applying from all over the world. 279 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.079 And you had to be tested. Oh did you have to be tested? 280 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.359 If you say you're a crystal person, you better know everything about crystals, 281 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.160 you say astrology, you know everything you say. You're a psychic. 282 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:51.440 You are tested and tested and tested and tested to give this legitimacy. You've 283 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:55.240 never got in trouble for like upselling or telling somebody they have a deminute test 284 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.759 or guild curse. So he started this thing, and then somewhere along the 285 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.279 line he said, well, if all the best of the best are trying 286 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.440 to do this, there should be a contest. And there it came, 287 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:15.599 I don't know, so I don't that's all I know very cool. So 288 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:19.119 of all of these different modalities that you practice, which one do you prefer? 289 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.839 Which one are you the best at or what works best for you? 290 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:30.200 Oh? I think I think what I'm best at. Again, I think 291 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:37.079 I'm I'm probably what I'm not good at. It is not because I'm not 292 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:41.160 good. Is that my which side trumps my psychics? I'm a dang good 293 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:42.799 medium. I'm going to be able to talk to most everybody. I'm a 294 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:48.160 dang good psychic. But the witch that free will thing takes over me. 295 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.960 So I'm not if I don't want to take somebody else's power away, because 296 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.880 nothing's written in stone, there's that. It's like, I'm not going to 297 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:57.839 go you're going to get hit by a bus on Tuesday because I'm seeing it. 298 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.079 Because because if I said that, that person's gonna we we live into 299 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:06.200 that, they're gonna go out and get hit by a bus. I'm gonna 300 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:08.720 go be really careful on Tuesday. You know you don't want to cross you 301 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.440 don't want to do this, You want to do this, stay home, 302 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.519 do whatever, don't cross any streets. So they don't do that. So 303 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:19.680 if people want prediction psychic, like somebody when I was a little kid, 304 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.200 and this is probably partly why I didn't even ask for a reading. See 305 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:27.880 I don't think you read anybody without asking, without permission. But somebody grabbed 306 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.240 my hand. My mom was singing at an old folks home and said, 307 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.759 you're gonna have three husbands. You're gonna have fertility problems. You're gonna have 308 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.720 oh baby, Oh but they're dead babies. All of a sudden, I 309 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.839 hit sixteen. There's these fertility problems. Oh, if you got pregnant, 310 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:42.720 you'd have to take the fertility drug. Oh but your view dos can't care. 311 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.160 Oh there's dead baby. I'm living into all this. She should never 312 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.720 have said. And yes, I am on my third husband, third times 313 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.720 a charm, but it's like it should be. What how I would work 314 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:57.119 with somebody saying, Okay, you could have three husbands, and the reason 315 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:02.000 that the first two you married wrong is because this isn't right. You're marrying 316 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:03.559 your daddy, or you don't have enough of sense of who you are. 317 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.640 So give the sense of who you are, and you don't have to have 318 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.880 threes. You don't have to do this. So I would say, if 319 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.960 somebody's looking for a fortune teller, I'm not good at that because I'm not 320 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.440 going to give you my power. Even if I see on Tuesday you're going 321 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.200 to hit by a bus, I'm going to say, let's not get hit 322 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:25.119 by a bus on Tuesday, because we are powerful beings. What I really 323 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:30.160 like in my I like doing something different every day. Where I am clearing 324 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.680 your house, where I'm new working one on one clients. I like. 325 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:36.440 I like to see a light bulb. I like teaching, so whether I'm 326 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:41.279 on Bad Girls Club, teaching the Little Girl fighty girls on the Goofy TV 327 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:45.559 show how to not beat each other up, to going okay, let's make 328 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.920 this column. Listen, this is your power, you know, light bulbs. 329 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.960 That's why my group keeps getting younger and younger. I started with the 330 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:56.279 forty something Zax and then the twenty something TFILS, and then I started Awesomeness 331 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.640 the teen set. Now I've got these like thirteen and fourteen year old YouTubers. 332 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.720 It's like, let's go I'm waiting for my kindergartener show. And that's 333 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.440 why I started the school. It's about letting people go, oh wow, 334 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.960 I can create the life I want. I don't have to have physical illness. 335 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:14.200 I don't have to have money issues. I don't have to feel lonely 336 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.400 or lack of love. I don't think we any of us do. Yes, 337 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.079 there is some fate. Yes, there is some destiny. We can't 338 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.119 control everything where we're born, this or that, but we completely control what 339 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.559 we do with it. And that's the everything. That's the everything. If 340 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.160 I didn't believe in all this, I would have been dead years ago. 341 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.039 Years ago, I was told because of those weird female problems. By the 342 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.880 time I was thirty, they said, if you make it to fifty, 343 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.079 which you probably won't make it to fifty, you will be in a wheelchair 344 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:44.319 because you have to burn your head fresh. And I just kind of went, 345 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.279 no, no, I'm not going to buy this prognosis. I'll do 346 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:49.920 the right things. I'll take the medicine, I'll work out to exercise. 347 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.200 So at fifty instead of being dead or in a wheelchair, I hadn't been 348 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.440 sick in twenty years, and I'm like, screw this. How powerful are 349 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.799 we? I'm going to try out for I'm a Hollywood Girl. I'm a 350 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:06.160 try out for wipeout the World's Hardest obstacle course. So I beat one hundred 351 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:10.640 thousand people, not the most physical one of there, and I got on 352 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:15.559 wipeout and using magic, spell working good magic. You don't have to do 353 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.599 naked mag you don't have to go. I hope that person's brains are ankle. 354 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.039 I go. You do good, and you do good, and you 355 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.039 do good, and what you put out you get back and then shines out. 356 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.279 And then I'm on. Then I'm doing the most painful, hard, 357 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.759 scary thing I've ever done, but it's empowering. And then again same thing, 358 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.079 and then I'm like, Okay, wow, that's fun. What else 359 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:37.559 can I not do? Show people that the power we have, whether you 360 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.480 want to call the spell worker. Okay, they won't let me in the 361 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:42.240 kitchen. I can't cook. I got kicked out of I'm going to cook 362 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.160 for Gordon Ramsey. Next thing I know, I beat another one hundred thousand 363 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.720 people, and I'm on Master Chef three, cooking for Gordon Ramsey and Joe 364 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:53.000 BOSCIANAJ and Graham didn't last long because I really don't know what boiled water means, 365 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.119 but I get that with positive magic, the same thing, and then 366 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.480 I'm going, oh my god, we are so powerful. And then not 367 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.400 because I it's just everybody needs a hobby, and I'm like, Okay, 368 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:07.200 what am I really not right for? Besides wipe out and besides master Chef 369 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.200 America's Got Talent, I have no talent. I'm a dancer, but not 370 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.000 backing a dancer. Danced with Gregor Hines, right, yes I did. 371 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.680 I'm a good tapper. I'm a good talent. But next thing I know, 372 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.880 I am rolling around on the floor with Howie Mandel at the Dolby Theater 373 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:26.000 on America's Got Talent. It wasn't hard, and I have no more talented. 374 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.680 I am no more gifted. I really picked things I was bad at 375 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.359 to see what we can do. That's what I like best. Showing people 376 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.039 how powerful they are. That's fantastic. Whether it's on a TV show, 377 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.759 a cool TV show, a silly TV show, whether I'm zoom teaching my 378 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.119 students in school world, or I'm with a bunch of you know, preteen 379 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:51.599 kids on YouTube. That's what I like best. And talking to your deceased 380 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.680 loved one. So yeah, it's okay. Granny says she was glad you 381 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:57.519 weren't there when she died. She didn't want you there. She waited until 382 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:06.119 you know, people to get so confused. We need to take a quick 383 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:11.880 break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation on the skeptic metaphysicians. 384 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:21.519 And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. So that earlier you mentioned something 385 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.160 about the fact that sometimes people don't allow things to come into their lives. 386 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:29.680 You're talking about doing all these things and you had them happen because of the 387 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.880 magic that you that create the intentions. I'm a student of the law of 388 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.039 attraction in a big way, and I'm trying to attract certain things to me 389 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.680 and all that kind of stuff. But it's taking a long time for things 390 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.200 to manifest, right, And all the books are saying, right, I'm 391 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.920 reading all the Abraham Mixed books and all that stuff, and they're all saying 392 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.200 that maybe I'm just not allowing them to come to me. So how does 393 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:56.359 someone let go of the need or the or the non allowing it to come, 394 00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:02.680 because darn it, I want it. The word you've said is trying, 395 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.799 got it? Trying? Trying? I mean trying if trying is a 396 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:12.640 positive word for you, but it isn't. Trying means it's hard. Trying 397 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:17.799 can mean it's hard or it may not work. Just be just do just 398 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:23.519 That's what allow means. B do live as if step into it. We 399 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:27.880 do that with spell working too, and if if, and don't start too 400 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.000 big. If you have to get to that, like I'm really good with 401 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:36.880 money spells, really good. But if so, if you believe, if 402 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:42.759 you go I want to win seventy five million dollars, you have to believe 403 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.759 that you can win seventy five million dollars, that you're worthy of seventy five 404 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.319 million dollars, and that you can do that. If you don't, you're 405 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.039 not going to get it because you don't really believe you're trying to get it, 406 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.119 and you're going to struggle. Start out with one thousand dollars, I'm 407 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:00.960 going to manifest I'm going to do money spell that I'm gonna get a thousand 408 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.319 dollars. It's gonna come like that. Maybe next time I'm gonna do five 409 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.880 thousand and then ten stairstep. Just like you learn how to dance or ride 410 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:12.599 a bike, so are you doing either something that breaks the laws of physics, 411 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.720 like fly without an airplane. We'll be able to do that soon but 412 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.880 not yet. But you know, start within your belief system because you'll never 413 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:26.799 the psychological part of it, the creation, working dispatch, the mind, 414 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:33.759 body spirit. We know we will never ever surpass our blowne belief Systemio. 415 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.599 Okay, so Karen, that is why we don't have a million downloads per 416 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.519 episodes yet so far, because I don't think that the show is good enough 417 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.200 for it yet. See the second, the second you believe it is good 418 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.319 enough, that it will be good enough, and then you'll get it. 419 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:55.000 So then how do you handle a perfectionist? Because right, because I've I've 420 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.680 been fighting with that my higher life. Right, I'm a perfectionist at heart, 421 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:02.000 but I'm trying to let go of it. So I'm always going to 422 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:03.680 be with the shows. It could always be better. The show could always 423 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:08.920 be better. So how do you fight that perfectionism inside you? You I'm 424 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:14.000 not big on fighting. You Just change your perspective, yeah, because fighting 425 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.960 is good of an energy into this, just like change your perspective of what 426 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.319 o perfection is? Look at things that that is like art? Is there 427 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:29.880 a perfect painting? Van Go more perfect than a whoever? Like? You 428 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.880 know? So it's changing what is perfection? And your idea of perfection may 429 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.759 be very imperfect and then you might wing to embrace that. So if you're 430 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.880 for something to be perfect, you're always going to believe it's not. Yeah, 431 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.559 that's what I've been fighting. I mean, our show is really good, 432 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.640 right, people love it, We have a lot of fun. I'm 433 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.279 just well, I mean that the information is not quite exactly where it needs 434 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.480 to be. Are the polish isn't quite there, It's got to be. 435 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.240 The guests aren't perfect. Me. I'm constantly criticizing what we're doing, and 436 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.599 when everyone around me is telling me, no, the show is really good 437 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.440 and I appreciate that, but I'm like, oh, that's nice, thanks 438 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.160 for the kind words. Okay, but haven't you noticed that some of your 439 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.680 the biggest foibles or the goofy things or the things people like the best? 440 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:21.039 Yes, yes, yes, So there goes your perfection out the window. 441 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:26.279 If somebody if I if you're on Facebook and you have your pretty picture, 442 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.440 people will like it. You're crazy picture. People will love it. You'll 443 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:36.720 get ten times the likes. Put some more importance on the humanity part, 444 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:41.559 the unexpected part, the unknown part. We really don't want this perfect world. 445 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.680 We would all look the same, we would all be the same, 446 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.680 we would all think the same. Again, it's a perspective change. It 447 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:52.799 doesn't have to mean any one thing, but just change that. Perfection is 448 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:59.480 the unknown. Perfection is imperfection. Perfection is because I mean, just practice 449 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.799 that with a a dumb picture and a good picture, which one gets to 450 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.400 like picture. Go back and look at your shows where you guys had some 451 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.440 goofy thing that happened, that you got flustered, or you've got whatever. 452 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:15.279 People love it because shows you're human too. And I'm being an incredible hypocrite 453 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.400 right now because my messaging to my daughter has always been the beauty is in 454 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.519 the imperfections, right, Beauty is in the flaws, and I do I 455 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.400 believe that wholeheartedly when it comes to everybody else. Of course, were human, 456 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:33.680 that's that's that's were these humans are the most amazing beings. But we 457 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:38.200 are silly creatures, so silly, and I think that's what makes our show 458 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.279 so much fun is that we don't take it seriously. We just have fun. 459 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.160 So, speaking of fun, can you share with us one of your 460 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.759 experiences that has been super impactful, you know, without obviously without sharing names 461 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.839 or anything, but just something that has just you've seen in the tangible, 462 00:31:53.960 --> 00:32:00.640 life changing moment. Yeah, I think the craziest thing that happened to me 463 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.960 and I can talk about this one is and I have talked about this one. 464 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.279 It's but it's crazy, it's really wild. Is. I was at 465 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:13.319 a house again Big in Life, Big in Death. Zach I was talking 466 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.519 about it's fun to work with, you know, famous or successful people because 467 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:22.079 they have so much life for us. When they die, they're bigger ghosts. 468 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.960 That's why. That's why partly they want to go talk to the serial 469 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.160 killer ghost. But I like hanging out at the Hollywood Roosevelt where they're swinging 470 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.920 from the chandeliers because they can or they want to get out of new words 471 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.640 there. But Big in Life, Big in Death. So there was we 472 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.200 were doing a documentary as a film for camerast in my neighborhood. I live 473 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.480 in the Hollywood Hills, right into the Hollywood Sign old nineteen twenties movie enclave, 474 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.680 the first one there. So there'd be a little writer's bungalow next to 475 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:50.880 a movie sharman next to a writer's bungalow. And this house had been built 476 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.119 by Charlie Chaplin for one of his many girlfriends, Mary Astor and a silent 477 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.279 movie star, and it was a party house and party house and whenever you 478 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.240 had drugs or alcohol involved, you can get some weird stuff in just saying 479 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.119 stuff. And it was a party house, party house. And then Rolling 480 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:10.240 Stones manager was Rolling Stoning Stones manager moved in and the Stones lived there or 481 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.839 stayed there. The mom was and papa's graand parson, all these creative chaotic 482 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.559 people. And then they moved out. And then the person who invented the 483 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.319 real life sex doll moved in and house was. He talked about the energy 484 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:23.799 in this house, and then he moved out. And then my neighbor for 485 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.720 seven years, Marilyn Bannson, moved in and he recorded there in the basement. 486 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.640 So the house really does attract this creative, talented chaotics, sometimes dark, 487 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.359 sometimes whatever people. So this house and it looks like it was built 488 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.920 by almost like Mace, a Masonic temple. Sacred. There's literally is a 489 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.200 compass drawn in the floor, the wood floor as you come in this four 490 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:50.720 level round stoke ooh spirits like that, this leaded glass thing almost like oh 491 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.559 God, sacred geometry everywhere. So we were doing a seance with young people. 492 00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:00.279 Young people have big life for us. So that's why poltergeisty happens those 493 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.200 teen years. And this was a group of young people around it, and 494 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.680 this one kid got disrespectful. So that's my one rule. Whatever I'm doing 495 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.599 is I believe, don't believe, be a little skeptical. It's okay, 496 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.280 try to be open, but whether you believe it or not, be respectful 497 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.519 because it is real and nobody likes to be disrespected, from you to anybody 498 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:21.000 else. Two spirits. This one kid get a little out of hand, 499 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.760 a little more than a little out of hand. And first cool things were 500 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.280 happening. The French doors flew open. Everybody's screaming, and the producer aside 501 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.239 of me is like, wow, that's good, and I mean, I 502 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.280 would never fake anything life. And then that happened again. And then the 503 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:36.280 speakers, you know, old school speakers on the floor, How bigod you? 504 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:38.239 They came on a white noise. They sounded just like a spirit box. 505 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.559 We look later they weren't plugged, and that happened again. But this 506 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.880 tension was building and I'm feeling it coming in and I'm trying to keep hold 507 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.679 on the room, trying to keep hold on the room. We were working 508 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.519 with a Wuiji board, which again I've used safely since I was seven or 509 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.519 eight. It's just how you use it. But all of a sudden he 510 00:34:53.559 --> 00:35:00.000 said something really stupid, and not him, but the cameraman facing him burst 511 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:07.199 into flames. What what like a V up his back like angel wings of 512 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.280 fire up his back. Two cameras cut four cameras. Two cameras caught it. 513 00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.679 One camera started filming the ceiling or the floor. You know you're gonna 514 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.320 test the metal of a camera person by a small room with a lot of 515 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.559 people bursting into flames y. His camera, of course, is facing the 516 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.440 opposite way, going like this. He's wondering why is everybody screaming and pointing 517 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.320 at it? As his shirt full of burns off him like it was a 518 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:30.679 synthetic. It's a cott and it should not have burned off like that. 519 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:37.800 It's like, oh, and a cool medium, which Patty becomes medic Patty, 520 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.519 which I am. I'm emt like drop and roll. I'm calling in 521 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:44.079 my guardians to shut it down, drawing what we're done. I don't care 522 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.079 what we're filming. Nobody burst into flames on my watch. This is not 523 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.199 all right. This is really not all right, ha. So but the 524 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.320 guy who caught on fire, who was a super skeptic, he was like, 525 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:58.039 oh my god, I spontaneously combusted. This is I'm okay, I'm 526 00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:59.840 okay. It's like you're not okay. I'm watching the blush you go. 527 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.559 I'm okay, okay, I have a sweater tick off that burnt shirt. 528 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.800 I knew the kid that caused all that was not going to be a problem. 529 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:15.000 He became the choir boy in the corner. No, some of it 530 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.280 exists. But what happened even crazy, I know on Tummas, I'll talk 531 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.800 really about. He showed me his back three weeks later and where the blistering 532 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.119 was, and it looked like he went and got a tattoo of a dragon, 533 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.199 open mouth, sharp teeth, winged body into the shape of the serpent. 534 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.000 That is the exact energy I called in to shut down the sands. 535 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.960 I work dragon energy, dragon magic, crossroads magic. I'm looking at him, 536 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.440 I'm like, oh my god, you have a tramp stamp of a 537 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.920 dragon on your back. That is like the coolest thing. I then he 538 00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:50.920 thought so too. He actually ended up writing a horror film script about this 539 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.280 TV second medium who did every TV shop me. Basically, I hope somebody 540 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.159 fabulous plays me, and then and then a portal opens, and then it 541 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.840 becomes a horror film, one of those scary fun anyones that I like. 542 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.320 He wrote it with Stephen Norrington, the guy who wrote Late League of Extraordinary 543 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.920 Gentlemen in the Paid series. Yeah, and so, I mean, they 544 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.880 haven't done it yet. I hope they do do it. But I did 545 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.519 sit down with them for five hours. I go, you can't say that 546 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.960 on camera. He goes, but you said, I go, I know 547 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.480 those words will sound to do something. You don't want to be one of 548 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.039 those cursed horror films. To you, it happens all the time. A 549 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.480 spirit and energy whateveryone call it does not know the difference of an actor reading 550 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.280 office scripla versus. So I changed all the words that it won't be all 551 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.239 the actors die at twenty seven or anything. But that was That was the 552 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.960 wildest spontaneous combined. I'm married to a drummer. I've seen spinal tap. 553 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.519 It's like, oh, so, yeah, that was the wildest. But 554 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.800 I've had a million of them. Okayally can so when Karen asked that question, 555 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.840 that was not the answer. I was expecting no. I just thought 556 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:58.559 that the table was going to wobble around or something. But now, do 557 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.840 you consider yourself a trance media? Were you a conscious medium? Or how 558 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.880 do you trans medium? I will go into trans state. There's evidential medium, 559 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.000 which like Cydy Kays. I love her madly. She's on tools, 560 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.400 her files and a lot she's I've worked with her a lot here and she's 561 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.559 like details, No, you're wearing purple underwear and green socks and your grandma 562 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:22.000 said that I'm not that good in that. But I am a trans medium. 563 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.639 I will let people channel through me. I will become Grandma or whoever. 564 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.559 The weirdest time. And this is one of the crazy places, the 565 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.000 Cecil Hotel. We've all heard of the Cecil Hotel. You know, the 566 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:36.159 Lissa Lamb in the water tower, people drinking her. Richard Ramirez lived there. 567 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.400 I've done probably more than a lot of people. I've spent two nights 568 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:43.440 there with Ghost Adventure Zach and the Guys, one night there with my tfil 569 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.840 boys. Just finished the CW show. But that do you start walking half 570 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.320 a block away from that house. The depression and the depression you want to 571 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.280 kill yourself hopeless. I almost jumped out the window. I led them right, 572 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.039 I had my choice of seven hundred rooms. I led them to a 573 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.920 room where somebody jumped out. I didn't know it. And I'm opening the 574 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:02.719 window and I'm wondering why Zach's yelling at me to shut the windows. I 575 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.119 can never yells at me. I'm in a trance state. That place is 576 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.400 crazy. But the one thing and lots of crazy stuff happened with but with 577 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.480 my tfil guys, I thought I was channeling. I thought it was trans 578 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.280 medium, and I thought I was talking because it's like a dream mistake, 579 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.159 and I thought I was talking. I rock, I do rock and rocking 580 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.039 back so hard that somebody had to put their hands so I didn't give myself 581 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:27.320 a concussion. And I thought I was talking. All they heard was gibberish. 582 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.280 All they heard was gibberish. And I've been working with these young guys 583 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.440 and Corey goes, we should play that backwards, because I'm like, they 584 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:43.679 played it backwards and I was speaking English backwards. Wow Wow that I mean, 585 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.639 I can't even do my alphabet backwards because I've got one of those mind 586 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.440 who can't. If you've got pulled over for drinking. I've been drinking and 587 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.559 they say, do your alphabet backwards. I'm I'm arrested, x y z 588 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:58.719 x y T. I can't do it. I was talking backwards. They 589 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.960 played it backwards and I would then I speak in English. That's crazy. 590 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:06.599 That's a trans medium. That is crazy. Yeah, that is a true 591 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.199 trans medium that I've not experienced anything like that before. So I think we're 592 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.440 gonna have to talk after this show. That sounds really super interesting, though, 593 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.559 I don't think we've even scratched the surface with you now. I'm wondering 594 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:21.519 if maybe in the future, when you're not so busy, you can come 595 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:24.480 back again and talk some more with us, because I'm absolutely in awe and 596 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:29.519 I could talk to you for weeks. I would love to come back. 597 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.880 You guys are great, You're a fabulous show. You should have a billion 598 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:37.920 followers. Actually I believe it, that's you Doo. But yeah, I 599 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.599 would love to come back. And I'm sure we did not take any of 600 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.400 the paths you were going to take. No, not not even a little 601 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.400 bit. I've got I've got twelve questions lined up right here, and I 602 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:52.199 think we touched on two. That's it. Before we go, I really 603 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.280 want to make sure we talk about your book, because old world magic for 604 00:40:54.360 --> 00:41:00.559 the modern world that sounds really cool. What talk is is this is because 605 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.599 again I see energy, and I'm elemental, and I live in la and 606 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:09.119 I don't have any time, so how I see things. We're out of 607 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.559 balance. We're all out of balance. That's COVID, all of it. 608 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.519 We're out of balance. And so if I take all these theories of if 609 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.199 you put your body into the elements, air and fire and water on earth, 610 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.360 and who you are your earth is, who you are, your fire, 611 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.400 your passion is what drives you. Where we get off balance is emotions 612 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.039 and thoughts. Thoughts and emotions, ask west and east, and what do 613 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.920 we need more than anything else? Air and water? Air and water. 614 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:36.360 So it is it is great to let's go meditate for an hour. I 615 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.039 don't have an hour. I have thirty seconds to pull it together. I've 616 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.880 got to walk on stage. I gotta walk. So I came up with 617 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.000 these things. I was just channel by spirit going well, if you advind 618 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.519 that mind, body, spirit a creation working dispatch. If you okay, 619 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.199 it's my emotions, ask water, I'm going to run my hands underwater. 620 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.480 For thirty seconds. Guess what, howeverthing goes away. That's my air element. 621 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.480 I'm overthinking. Oh wait, I'm not breathing and good No one breathes 622 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.880 well anymore. Three deeps add some valves, chatter stops, fog, lives 623 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:06.079 clarity. I need grounding. Hug a tree. If you can't hug a 624 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.400 tree, touch anything wood, it still has the spirit of the tree. 625 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.400 Grab a pencil. I came up with all these things. So this whole 626 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.559 book is hacks literal. How to keep your house clear, how to talk 627 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:16.760 to the dead if you want to, how to find love, how to 628 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:21.639 keep healthy, how to lose weight, how to from go sex to everything 629 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.599 for anybody. You don't have to be a psychic or a medium or a 630 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:29.840 witch. You don't have to be anything. It's little life hacks that make 631 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.480 you know car dollar signs in your soap. Now you're taking a money bath 632 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.440 every day. You know, stuff like that, A little bit of salt 633 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.280 in your toilet. All your lower chakras are open when you go to the 634 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:44.400 bathroom. That's a great big old water cauldron. It's going away. It 635 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.920 goes all the right direction, release angs, release inside. So that's what 636 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.519 it is. And so I wrote it because I got tired of saying it. 637 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.599 You are inspiring the psychic meta come out, because I'm getting a feeling 638 00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:02.559 that that book is going to be in my bookcase in your future. You 639 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.079 can get on Amazon. You can get an ebook or audiobook or print. 640 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.760 The ebook and audiobook is six dollars The Princess twelve or thirteen. On my 641 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.079 website, you can get an imprint, but it's easy and some stores, 642 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.440 but that's it's easier Amazon or my website. Okay, well, we're going 643 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.039 to put links, direct links to the Amazon Store into your website and all 644 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.639 that kind of stuff on our show notes. So if you're interested in contacting 645 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.880 Patty or following her on social media or getting her book or anything like that, 646 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.760 she does take clients. She books people for readings and seances and all 647 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.599 kinds of things. If you want to reach out to her, and now 648 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.280 you strongly recommend that you do, like we are going to, then please 649 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.639 just go to Skeptic Metaphysician dot com and go to her episode page. You'll 650 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.599 find the direct links in the show notes makes it super easy for you to 651 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:51.320 connect Patty. I am so grateful we got a chance to talk today. 652 00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:53.679 Thank you for sharing your expertise with our audience. Now really really look forward 653 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:58.039 to I hope we get a chance to keep in contact because you are amazing. 654 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.239 I am in awe. This has been fantastic. Absolutely, I would 655 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.360 love to I would love to so thank you guys for having me on. 656 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.760 Thank you. You guys are great hosts, really good fun. Thank you 657 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.920 so much, and a huge thank you to you. We know that there 658 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.679 are tons of options out there, and having you decide to come along on 659 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:20.280 our journey of discovery with us is an absolute honor for us. We'd love 660 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.679 for you to contribute by sending us a voicemail or an email from our website, 661 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:28.000 or leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or any other podcasting platform that 662 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.199 supports them. Karen and I love hearing from those that are moved to message 663 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:36.800 us. It truly does fuel our passion. You are the reason we do 664 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.039 this show, and knowing what you like and don't like help us craft the 665 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.920 very best show we can so that we can help raise the vibration of the 666 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.400 planet together. Well, that's all for now. We will see you on 667 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:52.039 the next episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician Until then take care