1 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:21,960 What is krack Alakin Fellow thermonuclear a Eppers. I am Dan FAVALLEI coming at 2 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:30,199 you with my certified fantabulous co host, Cold Plunge Extraordinaire, mister Grant Hughes. 3 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:35,600 We have another offseason look ahead for you the Southeast Division, which nothing's 4 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,679 happening in this division at all. It's not like a team just began to 5 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,079 impromptu, long overdue teardown. Before we get started, the usual reminder and 6 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,920 housekeeping notes, Please remember, subscribe if you haven't done so already. Apple 7 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,560 Spotify, ratings and reviews on Apple Spotify, help us out a ton. 8 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,520 Subscribe on YouTube if you haven't done so already. 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I'm three days in, 27 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,599 first thing in the morning, two minutes in the cold water. I 28 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:09,520 would like to be I would like some free products, so any sponsors that 29 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,520 are out there. I'm not married to My current the ice pod cold plunge 30 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,639 tub. If anybody wants to send me the really nice ones you can put 31 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,439 outside that have refrigerants in them and are super posh, I would take it. 32 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,840 So you know, that's that's the kind of life I'm living right now, 33 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,639 just really doing the most uncomfortable thing you can do, first thing in 34 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,919 the morning, and then going from there. Clearly our target audience use cold 35 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,240 plunges, so a company should get at you. I don't know, or 36 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:45,439 is our target audience a masochists or like people with the They listen to us, 37 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:47,319 so they must be masochists. Yeah, to put that on the tee 38 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,919 for you. Yeah, I'm doing great. Uh. I am excited to 39 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,439 talk about the Atlantic Division to our Southeast division because, as you said, 40 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,560 pretty boring right now, What's what's been going on in that divisi? So 41 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,360 coincidentally, that's we picked this. We scheduled this before all the all the 42 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,639 exciting stuff happened, So we're kind of on a roll between that and our 43 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,879 TikTok breakout, right, and we're still going to go into alphabetical order. 44 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:15,960 We did release an emergency podcast on the trade before we knew that there are 45 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,000 other players included Jordan Goodwind and Isaiah Tobba will get to the Wizards. This 46 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:23,800 will be timestamped as always, so if you need to skip ahead, don't 47 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:28,439 listen to the entire damn thing. Please. We begin with the Atlanta Hawks, 48 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:30,919 and I will start us off here. They're key free agents. Everybody, 49 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,879 brace yourself. Aaron Holiday key extension eligible candidates. De Jeante Murray, 50 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:38,759 he won't sign one. And then on Yuko Kongu is up for his rookie 51 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,520 extension, as is Sadique bay. I left him off our dock for some 52 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,759 reason. I don't know why I did that. Their tap situation basically, 53 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:51,479 as currently constructed, they're They're about ten million dollars into the tax. They 54 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,400 should still have the mini mL. I think all of us expect them to 55 00:03:54,680 --> 00:04:00,400 duck the tax though this summer. They do have a notable trade exception justin 56 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:05,479 Holidays deal six point three million dollars expires on February ninth. So I have 57 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:09,639 my biggest need for them. The biggest needs shooting at the three and the 58 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,840 four, and then an answer or an upgrade to the John Collins, Clint 59 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:19,600 Capello and Yeka a Congou triangle and so Grant. Let's just start here. 60 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,839 What's your over biggest, overarching thought leading in the offseason for the Atlanta Offs. 61 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,600 Yeah. I think it starts with with the, as you said, 62 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:34,319 the unfortunate sort of reality that this is a team that wasn't good enough to 63 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:40,439 meet expectations last season, would like to meet those expectations this season. But 64 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,439 also has this thorny issue of we need to cut money, which and those 65 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:47,720 two things don't often work very well together. So it's a tricky needle to 66 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:54,560 thread shaving that ten plus million dollars off. And remember, like they denied 67 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,600 it up and down, I think the ownership did. But the Kevin Hurder 68 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:00,399 trade last summer was the same thing. You know, they they got a 69 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:02,680 first round pick, but that was designed to duct the tax, and so 70 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:08,720 that's where we are again. So yeah, overarching thought is just how's that 71 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,839 going to happen? Probably John Collins, maybe Clint Capella, DeAndre Hunter. 72 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,879 I think two could be someone that they look to move mostly because and this 73 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,759 ties into your other need, which I agree with. They kind of need 74 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,399 a combo forward that can be what DeAndre Hunter was supposed to be, which 75 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:31,439 is the best you know, a high end defense piece that can guard multiple 76 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,040 positions and a guy that cannot just make open threes but do a little bit 77 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,639 with the ball if he gets closed out on. Hunter has shown flashes that, 78 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:44,839 but due to health and just general like ball handling concerns, just hasn't 79 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,759 delivered that consistently. So that's a tricky thing. They need to improve that 80 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,839 position, they need to cut money. So it's hard to do both of 81 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:57,879 those things. And so I think what you're hoping for for them is that 82 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,639 transactionally, you accomplish what you want. That the boost from a full training 83 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:05,160 camp in season of Quinn Snyder running the show just makes things work better. 84 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:11,399 But yeah, so they're in an interesting spot. I think they need to 85 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:14,439 be aggressive in free agency, but they may not have a lot of tools 86 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:15,399 to do it. So that's kind of where I'm at. Do you have 87 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,439 anything different? I mean, we're pasting the idea of trading Tree young. 88 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,800 It seems like for a while, you know, even though you might want 89 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,759 to think about that. Yeah, I was gonna say that if something like 90 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,240 that props up, it'll probably be closer to next offseason to where maybe you're 91 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,920 hoping you can work out at John than Murray sign and trade or maybe evaluate 92 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,600 it to deadline because I was going to throw that. Few would be where 93 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,000 the odds at the front office has been fully you know, the regime change 94 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:43,199 is complete. What are the odds that they do look to pivot and leave 95 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,600 their mark and kind of start over. And I would say, at least 96 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:49,120 this summer, it feels very slim like we might hear the once the Bradley 97 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:55,040 Beale has been traded Damian Lillard. I think is we'll talk about that more 98 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,360 like that situation is just the weird game of chicken happening in Portland. It 99 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:01,199 feels like like once those names are moved and then Trey Young, everyone shifts 100 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,519 their attention to the next logical batch of candidates, which will include Trey Young. 101 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:09,399 Karl Anthy Towns is probably already there, Zion might already be there. 102 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:14,360 I would be like, if we had a peg a percentage chance of it 103 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:19,120 happening, I would say like sub seven percent about Trey Young getting traded right 104 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,240 now. There's there's always like the chance someone comes in with a monster offer, 105 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,279 but this isn't a team. I think they're more likely to go to 106 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:30,199 the opposite route, which is they can trade up to I think three first 107 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:32,759 round picks this summer. They have the Kings in twenty twenty four, They 108 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:36,720 can trade number fifteen in this year's draft, and then they have their own 109 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:41,920 twenty twenty nine available to them if they really wanted to go that route. 110 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,800 They owe twenty five and twenty seven too to San Antonio, so like they 111 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,959 could, like there's some stuff that they could theoretically do, but when, 112 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:54,560 as you mentioned, this is the challenge. How do you improve your roster 113 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,560 while also cutting payroll? And I think, at least from my perspective, 114 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:03,000 it's you move John Collins or Clint Cappela attached to draft equity, and that's 115 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,879 how you would make the upgrade. I just don't know if that's also how 116 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:09,279 you would slash your payroll in the process. Who would you rather move, 117 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:13,040 assuming it's got to be Collins or Capella, because I think there are compelling 118 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,639 arguments for either of those guys to be the one to go. If you're 119 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:22,160 trimming salary, I want to say I'd rather move Capella because you haven't Congu 120 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,439 right there, but you do get a lot smaller because the Congu is smaller 121 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,600 than him. How does that impact you on the glass. It might depend 122 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,039 on Like, look, if you were moving Clint Capella and you were getting 123 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,279 back O g N and Obie. Let's say, because this isn't a team 124 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:37,519 that needs whoever they get to necessarily have ball skills. That would make me 125 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:41,399 feel more confident because you know, he can rumble with a bunch of centers. 126 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:43,320 But it would need to be like a very specific set. I think 127 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:50,799 it's I think I would rather move Collins because but I do think the reality 128 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,879 is, if you're looking to make an upgrade while checking all of these boxes, 129 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,720 is Capella the easier one to move just because his contract is shorter, 130 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:01,440 even if you're not crazy about paying him, you know, two years and 131 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,720 twenty plus million per It's that's the thing. I don't know. That's why 132 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:11,399 I posed it to you. I think my concern with I lean Capella just 133 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,759 knee jerk reaction as the guy I would want to move, which flies in 134 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:18,039 the face of the fact that the Hawks have been trying to trade John Collins 135 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:24,440 for a couple of years, just because I would be worried that another year 136 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:30,120 potentially, you know, at an age for Capella could potentially reduce his value. 137 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:33,879 You know, he's a conventional center. Those guys are already really fungible. 138 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:37,480 I think he's probably pretty substantially overpaid, even though you know, I 139 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:39,879 don't know is he a top Is he a top fifteen starting center? Probably 140 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:45,279 like somewhere in the neighborhood of that. So I think he's a little overpaid 141 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,240 for that. And as as he ages, that's that looks worse. So 142 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,720 it might be the type of thing where you move him just asap because that 143 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,480 thing is that asset is depreciating. Collins is a little bit different because I 144 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,840 think he's about as low in terms of value as he can be right now. 145 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,120 So that's another factor to consider. I just there's certain you know, 146 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,240 you start trying to talk yourself into destinations for Collins, and it gets difficult 147 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,879 just because that's a player type that unless he's really going to be the defender 148 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:18,840 he was in that conference finals, run consistently and even maybe hold up against 149 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,000 like some bigger wings, it's just it's hard, even if he is back 150 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:26,080 to shooting forty percent from three, just because of like, he's not a 151 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,120 center. So yeah, I just they're both they're both tricky to move. 152 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,639 But I would say the odds are much higher than fifty percent that one or 153 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,039 the other has gone before the season starts. I'll be four if all three 154 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,679 of them, Fungou, Capella, and Collins are there to start the season. 155 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:45,039 Some free agent targets for them again, they can use the mini MLA. 156 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:46,799 I just don't know some of these might prove too ambitious because even if 157 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:50,000 they cut salary, is it enough? Like are they just hovering kind of 158 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,080 right below the tacks and don't want to go into it. But if you're 159 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,840 gonna move let's say Collins, Trey Lyles or Kevin Love should absolutely be on 160 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,840 your radar. These guys are probably all just plane fits. Ifleek Beasley's team 161 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,799 option is declined and they want to get some just pure volume shooting in there. 162 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,080 Jay Crowder, Tory Craig Utah wants an Abby and t J Warren? 163 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,039 Are those still minimum guys? Joe Ingles is old, but like he can 164 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,399 give you some combo forward minutes. Any other names bring to mind for you 165 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,559 for them? No? I was thinking more along the trade front, where 166 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,440 if if if you're moving Collins or Capella, I think you're looking for expiring 167 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,320 guys, you know, like it could be you know, I don't think 168 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,879 you can go as crazy as well. I was gonna say, like I 169 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,120 was trying to think of a how do we get John Collins someplace where his 170 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,159 route value will immediately be rehabilitated to its fullest potential, and that's obviously Miami. 171 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:45,279 So if we get him to Miami, can we just throw some extra 172 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,159 money and make it Kyle Lowry to get you know, something like that, 173 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,799 just to try to save some money down the line. But yeah, no, 174 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:58,200 I think your list is good. I just think like, looking at 175 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:05,639 someone like Joe Ingles, I feel like he would weirdly kind of insulate you 176 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,559 against the stretches where DeAndre Hunter just can't do anything with the ball and like 177 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,600 he's not gonna guard anybody, But just having another guy that could force a 178 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:16,480 clothes out and then take a dribble and make a pass or run a quick 179 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,360 second side pick and roll something like that would be would be useful. But 180 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:22,639 really, this is still a team whose defense needs to improve, and Joe 181 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:26,679 Ingles isn't going to help you there? Would you if let's just say, 182 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,039 the Thunderer willing to give you a protected first round pick straight up for Clint 183 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:35,360 Cappela, Like is it Are you at the form where you would consider that 184 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,279 a win? Like if you could trade Clinck Cappella into their cap space, 185 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:41,559 and is that and you're getting a first round pick, is that enough for 186 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,759 you to pull the trigger? I think maybe. And that's because a kong 187 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,080 Wu is the I think everyone agrees, he's kind of just the air apparent 188 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,240 at center, and by the time he's ready to take the job over, 189 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,840 he's going to be due for a raise. So like, you can't just 190 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,519 have Capella sitting there and then another guy that you're either going to let go 191 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:03,759 because he's gonna get too expensive or pay a second center basically a bunch of 192 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:07,799 money. So just to clear that issue down, you know, down the 193 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:13,080 road, a little bit might be worth it to just remove the salary from 194 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,399 your books and get an asset. Because look, the other thing is I 195 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:18,799 mean, you mentioned they can trade first, but they're still a little bit 196 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,440 hard up for picks because of the Murray trade. You know, I think 197 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:30,080 it's it's you know, it's another thing where they they should probably be looking 198 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,759 to make this roster better now, which means trading picks, but they also 199 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,480 aren't in a position. It's they're all there, all of their incentives kind 200 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,240 of like work both ways. You know, they gotta cut money, but 201 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,440 they want to be better. They got to add talent, but they don't 202 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,799 have the picks to do it. You know, they should be trying to 203 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:46,480 get picks to replenish, but what are you giving up to get those. 204 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:50,120 It's it's kind of a weird mess. And it's also the teams that are 205 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,679 most likely to be interested in any of Cappella or John Collins specifically, they're 206 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,759 not going to be the teams that can save you a boatload of money. 207 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,039 They think about if you think John Collins a good fit for the Clippers, 208 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,440 it's like, all right, well you could get they have the salaries to 209 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,120 get there. But like Robert Covington and Marcus Morris, who were both probably 210 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:07,159 really good fits for this roster, that's like dollar for I think you might 211 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:11,159 be taking on money and that scenario and so you get into like it would 212 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:15,840 have to be three team scenarios very quickly before for anyone. We forgot to 213 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:18,919 mention this. We need to keep ourselves within a good time frame so there 214 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,639 will be alarms going off at the end of each team I've said it to 215 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,639 a point one eighty two remix too. I miss you. It's an eed 216 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,240 M blink on eighty two remix. You're welcome. We'll get dinged for a 217 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:31,639 copyright is what's gonna happen. But do you expect any of these guys to 218 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,840 get extensions? And I think specifically we know Murray's not going to sign his, 219 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,279 but Sadique Bay or Okongu, Uh well, I think Bay seems unlikely 220 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,799 because part of the reason the Pistons traded him is because he had pretty exorbitant 221 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:48,279 extension demands for his production. I think he wanted something like fifty millions, 222 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:52,600 so I think he's likely to just they'll I would let him go to restricted 223 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,159 free agency if I could lock up a kong Wu a little earlier, with 224 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,919 like gosh, figuring out his number is really tricky. I don't know. 225 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Twelve to fifteen million a year. I would extend him, but I don't 226 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,960 know if he's going to take that. And then it's he would he bet 227 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:09,960 on himself if you move one of the other bigs, because he thinks he's 228 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,120 gonna have a bigger role and we'll be able to drive up his value. 229 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,440 I think, I think, well, yeah, that's what I mean. 230 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:20,960 Like you'd have to almost overpay him probably to get an extension done right now. 231 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,759 And the Hawks have done that enough that they should probably be a little 232 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,200 leery of that. Let's beat the alarm and move on to our next team. 233 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,639 Do you want to take us through them? Yes, we have the 234 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,200 three billion dollars valuated Charlotte Hornets, which I laughed in the dock. You 235 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,240 had three billion with several question marks next to it. Kind of wild. 236 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:41,440 Buy an NBA you know what, Dan, I'm thinking about buying an NBA 237 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,320 team. It seems like a good can't we can't get in now. The 238 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,720 bubble's gonna burst, Like this is like buying high on a meme stock like 239 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,679 game Stop. It was at like five hundred bucks a share. If the 240 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,840 if the Hornets are worth three billion dollars, there's no such thing as a 241 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,879 bad NBA team investment. So besides that, so ownership change, I think 242 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:00,639 it's pretty much done now. Right. Michael Jordan, as a majority owner, 243 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,639 is going to sell his steak, will stay on as a minority owner. 244 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:10,200 Who knows what that's gonna do to how Charlotte operates and spends, but 245 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:14,519 based on the level of success they had with Michael Jordan as the principal owner 246 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,200 say, which is to say none, some success would constitute an improvement, 247 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,320 so good odds. There other key free agents. PJ. Washington is restricted, 248 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,240 Dennis Smith Junior, they have non bird rights on him, Kelly Ubre, 249 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:33,519 Miles Bridges extension eligible candidates. LaMelo Ball eligible for his max Rookie Scale 250 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,600 extension. We could talk about whether he should get that or not. Momentarily, 251 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,960 their their cap situation. They have about twenty eight million in space or 252 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,240 can get there if they renounced. Basically, everybody can be over the cap 253 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,080 and open up the bigger MLI if they carry hold the cap holds for PJ, 254 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:55,200 PJ. Tucker, PJ. Washington, and Kelly Hubre no trade exceptions 255 00:16:55,919 --> 00:17:00,600 their biggest needs, Like everybody could use some wings depending on who they bring 256 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:03,839 back. That might be mitigated a little bit because you do have Kelly Ubrand 257 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:10,559 Bridges just kind of sitting there. They could use another advantage creator lead guard 258 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:14,400 who could play with LaMelo or off the ball, on the ball or on 259 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,000 the off the ball. Either way would work because LaMelo is like a forty 260 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,480 plus percent catch and shoot three point shooter, another big veteran five, maybe 261 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:26,400 to back up Mark Williams, who think I'd feel okay about going forward with 262 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,359 as my starting center, but I think you wouldn't. You wouldn't want him 263 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,279 to be the only guy there. So Dan, any other needs that I 264 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:38,680 did not get to, or would you want to touch the LaMelo ball extension 265 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:42,279 situation, anywhere you'd like to start with the Hornets big big picture stuff, 266 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:45,039 I think we need to. So one of the places to start would actually 267 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,400 be with Miles Bridges, who has to serve the balance of a thirty game 268 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:55,640 suspension after felony domestic violence charges. He already apparently he was out all of 269 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,960 last season, but for most of that he remained unsigned, and if they 270 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,400 very much is tacked off on like where they pro rated like his however you 271 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,119 want to his suspension was thirty games and they were like, well, twenty 272 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,240 of eight from last season then ten from this season. I'm assuming he's going 273 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:15,799 to be back the the whole. The circumstances are absolutely horrific, and that 274 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,920 it needs to be said. It goes without saying, but also needs to 275 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,119 be said. I don't know what they're gonna do with him now that ownership 276 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,960 has changed. I know that you're selling to a minority owner that was in 277 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,240 there to begin with. And I don't know what team is going to think 278 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:33,359 they have the you know, even if you believe in redemption and we know 279 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,200 that you know, his girlfriend has come out and like it's spoken on his 280 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:42,000 behalf, and I think that makes it maybe a little bit more difficult to 281 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:45,920 grapple with the situation. But in so if you believe in you know, 282 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:48,359 redemptive arts, I don't know which team is going to come in pay him 283 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,880 and think that they can survive the you know, public relations blowback. I 284 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,680 would say there, I expect him to be back in Charlotte, and I 285 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:00,519 expect this team to operate over the cap. Is basically what I'm getting at. 286 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:04,799 And I hate having to talk about like transitioning to stuff like the actual 287 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:08,000 basketball, but that's just that's just what's going to happen. Is so his 288 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000 money's gonna be on the books. I'm curious to see what PJ. Washington 289 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:14,720 catches. I think a lot of people are lower on PJ. Washington than 290 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,400 I am, and I don't so they're gonna have the bigger mL E and 291 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,319 I'm wondering how much appeal that is, like how appealing are they to free 292 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:26,079 agents in this market? And then what direction are they going in which the 293 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:29,319 metal ball stuff. My prediction would be that he just gets the max. 294 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,160 Maybe it's five years with no player options. Maybe there's a player options at 295 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,359 the end of it, but I think that would be the biggest haggle point. 296 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,440 Would you agree that he'll get the five year max. Yeah, I 297 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,279 don't think there's any question that he's just going to get the full boat. 298 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:45,960 And like, honestly, it's funny. I always I say, we like 299 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:49,839 everyone's thinking the same way, but I sort of think about him as one 300 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:56,920 of the rare rookies or guys on their rookie scale deals that might not I 301 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,000 mean, everybody signs that second deal if the max is on the table, 302 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,119 well, but he feels like one of the ones where if he didn't because 303 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,000 he wanted to be in a different market, it wouldn't be it would be 304 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:11,039 less stunning for him than it would be for a lot of basically everybody else, 305 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,880 right, Like do you have just that little inkling of like maybe maybe 306 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,359 ownership change, you know, alters that. But he feels like someone that 307 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,720 you probably aren't as the Hornets in a position to say no player option on 308 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:26,480 the fifth year, Like he's just you get what he's gonna get what he 309 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:30,079 wants. I think, yeah, language that could elevate it to you know, 310 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,160 the thirty percent max he makes a MBA, I might. I would 311 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,759 probably have agreed with you before that is not the alarm that is just my 312 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:41,440 phone's going off. I would agree with you before he dealt with all the 313 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,119 ankle stuff this match year, and so it's kind of just like you understand 314 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,440 how how fragile your window might be. He could be someone This isn't an 315 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,799 indictment necessarily on the Charlotte market, but if the Hornets aren't materially better or 316 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,839 headed in a distinct direction, because I would say that they feel kind of 317 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:03,039 almost formless right now where there's talent on this roster, but I just don't 318 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:07,680 know what they are and what their primary aims will be. Is he someone 319 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,599 who signs the extension and then it's a year later, like he's trying to 320 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,680 agitate his way out with you know, four or five years left on his 321 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:18,400 contract. Maybe zat Kennedy, but I would expect him to to sign it, 322 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,160 that he will get you know whatever, and he will end up signing 323 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,480 it, and there will be language in there that can elevate it to a 324 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,119 all MBA matt or excuse me, a thirty percent max if he makes all 325 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:37,680 MBA You brought up kind of the direction I think looking at I feel like 326 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,079 I'm a little crazy for looking at this roster and like who they could bring 327 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:47,000 back and potentially have the ability to add and imagine the Hornets as like a 328 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:51,319 real bounce back team. I think, like, is that is that off? 329 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:55,960 Is that off off base? Just because the case would be LaMelo's back 330 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,640 stays healthy, you bring back PJ. Washington, and I think you're probably 331 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,160 a little higher on him than I am, But I feel like he's a 332 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,680 low end like a start. He's a starting NBA player and would be like 333 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,400 a really luxury six man somewhere maybe bridges, like if we just skip over 334 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,720 all this stuff, we don't want to talk about. It was a borderline 335 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,480 All Star the last time you played. And if he's back, then suddenly 336 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:22,640 you've got a guy who was really on you know, not a breakout track, 337 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,319 had really sort of already broken out and had room to get better. 338 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,920 I mean, they have enough young talent, like none of their you know, 339 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,400 and I think is probably a lost cause Kai Jones and nobody knows if 340 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,720 he's ever gonna be anything. So they've missed a little bit. But I 341 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:41,200 don't know. I mean, Rosier's okay, if if Gordon Hayward's healthy, 342 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,680 he's you know, more than just bad money. Like you know, I'm 343 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,359 not saying they're gonna win fifty, but like this is absolutely a team that 344 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,160 should be in the play in mix or maybe like seven eight in the East. 345 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,319 Don't you think if they go that way? And I don't know if 346 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:59,440 they're going to go that way, I I guess yes, it's just because 347 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,519 you look at the talent drain between injuries to LaMelo Hey where misses some time 348 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:07,680 again, he had a very good closing kick to the season. Not having 349 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:11,440 Miles Bridges, I guess maybe there's the potential for and look, they're gonna 350 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,559 have the number two. We haven't talked about that, the number two pick 351 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,920 in this year's draft, which that changes. I can't believe it took us 352 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,119 this long to get there, and I would have taken like I don't want 353 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,039 to date this, but like you're gonna have Brandon Miller or Scoot Henderson unless 354 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,160 you move the pick. And so that infusion of talent, which you know, 355 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,279 we talked about that meeting Wings and you mentioned, yeah they have they 356 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,240 have Cody Martin, they have if he's going to be healthy. He was 357 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,440 also injured this year. They could bring back kellyoo Bridge Junior. I just 358 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,680 don't view him or Bridges or Washington as really Wings, even though a lot 359 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,720 of their defensive assignments profile is them. Brandon Miller checks that box. Or 360 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,400 you have Scoot Henderson, who's just another We talked about them meeting another Alpha 361 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,119 creator who can work with LaMelo, and LaMelo could pretty much work with any 362 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,200 Alpha creator because he's able to shoot off the ball. And I think, 363 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:00,160 as Zach Low was pointing out, LaMelo felt like he was a little of 364 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,440 a chucker last year anyway, and so maybe displacing him helps. So I 365 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,720 almost feel like he can't go wrong even if you have a preference, unless 366 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:10,680 you believe there's this huge gap between Scoot and Miller. I think it's probably 367 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,559 I don't know that I would peg them as a candidate to go be seventh 368 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:17,359 or eith in the East though, just there's going to be you're assuming a 369 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,920 rookie, a high profile rookie in here that's going to play a ton of 370 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,200 minutes. Further development, for Mark Williams, what does the center position look 371 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,000 like in the minutes that he's not on the court. What does it kind 372 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000 of look like? Do you just get back you didn't have Miles Bridges for 373 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:30,559 the entire year. If he comes back, what does the Miles Bridges PJ 374 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,160 Washington dynamic look like? What does he look like? This team just has 375 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,759 too many variables for me to trust that they would be in the play in 376 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,680 the play in mix. Fair enough? Fair enough? Do you want to 377 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,759 talk about some of their some of their targets something you're thinking of for well, 378 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,200 actually, let's back up, we'll date this even more. We both 379 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,400 agree that you just take Scoot right and you stop messing around with fit with 380 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,880 Brandon Miller or Yeah, we're there, it's just you take Scoot and I 381 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,279 think him and LaMelo could work anyway. But I also think you're not at 382 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,680 the point you're rebuild where or your timeline where you can realistically prioritize fit over 383 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:10,599 the best player available. Yeah, targets for them looking again, I focused 384 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:15,319 on the bigger mL E Matisse thybal restricted free agent, taking a flyer on 385 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,359 him just to get someone in here. Like the defense of the Hornet's improved 386 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,640 a lot as the year went on. But let's throw just another just like 387 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,480 all defense guy in there. Dwight Powell, just a sort of a backup 388 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,359 veteran five can help you on the glass. Maybe if you give him enough 389 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,160 spacing, he'll do some damage as a finisher at the basket. Josh Richardson, 390 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,319 Tory Craig, they would be a good Bruce Brown destination too, Like 391 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,400 as a team to offer the bigger m L E. Yeah, And I 392 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,200 think if you do that, then you maybe start looking at trading Terry Rozier 393 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:45,200 because you could play Brown with Ball, or he could be your backup point 394 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,519 guard. He's proved he could handle that job with the Nuggets. I think 395 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,000 another guy. So anytime we're gonna throw Tieball in there, I just think, 396 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,960 well, what about Dylan Brooks, Like if the mL is gonna get 397 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,279 you Dylan Brooks, you might have to think about it, you know, 398 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,599 like just as honestly, like for the money, Tyble might be the better 399 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,640 pick, but Brooks is just such a good defender, and I don't know. 400 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,160 I would hope that we'll probably talk about him several other times, but 401 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,680 I would hope that like he would be on better behavior here they I don't 402 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:15,799 know how much of this was. You know, Terry Rosier had this little 403 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,359 start MMO missus time, but like they were one of the worst three point 404 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,079 shooting teams in the league last year. And especially if you're going from you 405 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,400 know, if Scoot Henderson's gonna play a bunch of minutes or just kicking in 406 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,640 Brandon Miller's rookie season. We just named a few very like players who were 407 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,559 going to shrink the court. I mean Devild Brooks is gonna take a miss 408 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:41,200 a lot of threes. Yeah, I think just losing ball for so much 409 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,480 of the season, who's arguably your best shooter and the guy that creates the 410 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,079 most good threes, it's just like you can't you can't recover from that, 411 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,359 and they just didn't have the talent. I want to talk about some trade, 412 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,839 uh, potential guys, just decent fits if if things shake out how 413 00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:57,839 we'd like them to, or you want to hit any other free agents? 414 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,200 No, very quickly on the trade since our alarm went off for anyone who 415 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,680 could hear it, just I don't like you could look all over the place, 416 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,039 you could skew like, do we go big time like we have the 417 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,960 number two pick, or do we look at Karl Anthony Towns or brandon ingram 418 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,839 Slash Zion Williamson or do you just try and thread the needle. Can you 419 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,160 get in on the og and a Noby sweepstakes? I think he'd be great 420 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,680 fit for this roster, Drew Holiday if the Bucks were going to cut money 421 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,519 or change things up. Or do you just target someone like a Jay Shawn 422 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,160 Tate where say let's get in here, like that's someone who might be a 423 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,440 truer wing defender or point of attack guy for us than we currently have. 424 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,000 I don't know if anyone else brings to mind for you. I mean, 425 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,480 if we're gonna get thorough, I think you just throw in guys like Pascal 426 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:40,279 Siakam would be someone else, just again depending on which direction we're going here, 427 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,920 because they do have the ability to create not enough cap space to just 428 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200 take somebody on with the massive salary, but if you've got number two and 429 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,960 the ability to package a little more salary you could take on a big number. 430 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,079 So you know, there's no there's almost nobody that is like cost prohibitive 431 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,680 for them if they really are motivated to do that. But anytime I see 432 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,960 Og thrown out there, I'm just ye, maybe Sam just add him too, 433 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,880 because if Toronto's willing to think about moving one, they ought to be 434 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,799 open and moving the other. Let's move on to the Miami Heat. Their 435 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,960 key free agents include Max Struce, Gabe Vincent, Kevin Love, and Cody 436 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,640 Zeller. Both of them are non bird free agents key extension eligible candidates. 437 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,759 I think baym might be eligible for a two year extension sometime in November. 438 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,519 He's not gonna sign that. I just don't think that's like that. That's 439 00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:33,000 like not adding enough length, and so the number just won't be quires signed. 440 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,599 He's young enough to where he'll want to play this contract out, either 441 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,480 get more years or actually hit the free agent market. Their cap situation is 442 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:45,720 they're over the second apron basically before even paying Strews or Vincent, So like 443 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,359 you can throw their cap holds in there. They're a proably ways to be 444 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,319 a little bit beneath the second apron before then, but you're just if you 445 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,279 resign either one of those guys, you're blowing past it. They have a 446 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:57,079 Dwayne Deadman trade exception that expos it's four point seven million dollars and expires on 447 00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:03,119 February seventh. Their biggest needs for me, and this is I think where 448 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:04,400 we should start, because I'm curious where you land on what you think They're 449 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,119 single biggest need is. I go back and forth between, let's just upgrade 450 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,279 the front court spot next to man Caleb Martin's nice and you can downsize and 451 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,119 play small, but like we need like you need someone who was even better 452 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,599 than PJ. Tucker was for you a year ago, or because we hear 453 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,119 a lot about the Damian Lillard's stuff, they were heavily linked to Bradley Beale. 454 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:29,799 Is it they need another half court creator aside from Jimmy Butler and Tyler 455 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,200 Hero because Kyle Lowry's aging curves sort of made him inconsistent in that regard, 456 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:40,000 and because Jimmy Butler, like his jump shot is just it's inefficient until you 457 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,160 get to the postseason, it's often not. Basically, yeah, I think 458 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,480 it's hard to watch the heat in the postseason and really during the year and 459 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:55,279 not conclude that just whoever is playing the four. You know, they use 460 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,920 Caleb Martin to great effect in certain matchups, and Kevin Love really mattered against 461 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,519 other matchups, particularly against Denver where Aaron Gordon couldn't just bully him, which 462 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:07,799 look like the whole series was just gonna be Aaron Gordon Duckins until the Heat 463 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,519 started playing Kevin Love at the four. You'd like somebody that you don't have 464 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,160 to sort of like pick and choose, like who's gonna work against this matchup 465 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:21,680 at that position. Obviously they missed PJ. Tucker let him go this past 466 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,200 season, but like, if you're really trying to level up, I don't 467 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,799 I feel like that's almost thinking too small. It does need to be we 468 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,799 gotta have a third dar and like, really, we got to have somebody 469 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,319 making Kyle Lowry's money that is more than a guy that gives us like fifteen 470 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,519 good minutes in like two finals games, you know, something like that. 471 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,599 They do have three picks they can trade, which would have to include three 472 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,880 first I should say this season's on draft night. I think to make it 473 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,039 work. They do not run a foul of the Steppian rule. That's how 474 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,839 they'd have to do it. So like, for example, it's gonna be 475 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,480 impossible not to invoke Bradley Beal at some point before we get to Washington. 476 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,720 But just like, the package that the Heat could have put together I think 477 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,440 is better than what the Suns could have offered. And had Beal wanted to 478 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,759 go to Miami instead of Phoenix, you could have offered you know, Lowry 479 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,359 or Hero and those three first and just you know, I don't know that 480 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,839 that's Beal's value necessarily, but it's just to illustrate that the Heat do have 481 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,319 the ability to put a competitive offer out there, maybe the best offer for 482 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,640 a big name, you know, should one come available, or should one 483 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,640 of the ones that are already available want to go there. I think that's 484 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,039 how I have That's how you have to look at this Heat team. It's 485 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,839 not so much like let's make a moderate upgrade at the four whether with that's 486 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,559 whether that means signing someone for the minimum or whatever you gotta I think you 487 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,319 gotta aim a little higher if you're really trying to change things. If I 488 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,640 set the bar Adam, I have him listed as a trade target at Boyan 489 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:55,880 Magdanovich higher or lower, the Heat have to aim higher than that. Well, 490 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,720 if you're gonna use it's hard because clearly he would be better than both 491 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,400 guys they've played it. They played at the four during the playoffs. I 492 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,359 think I think he's probably better than Caleb Martin as a shot creator and like 493 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,200 shot maker. Yeah, I wonder if you run into some of the same 494 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,279 defensive problems and being undersized you have there with Martin. So I guess if 495 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,960 you're talking about trading like Hero and or Picks, you may need to aim 496 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:25,599 higher than Bogdanovich, even though I'm not trading. It would be Duncan Robinson 497 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,839 and like Pick. Yeah, Robinson is another guy I neglected to mention as 498 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,480 as salary filler for a trade candidate. Yeah, it's sort of like, 499 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,400 well, then it comes down to how ambitious do you want to be and 500 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,599 we just know and all except that the Heat's ambition is basically limitless. So 501 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,079 I feel like that's that sort of suggests the path that they're going to go 502 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,000 is, if it's not Lillard, I think they're going to try to just 503 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,319 get, you know, a forty fifty million dollar guy and squeeze him in 504 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:58,559 there somehow. I'd be with you which is why and look this is it's 505 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,960 also because that's the move they're built to make. They're not really built to 506 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,359 make a small trade. You could trade Kayla Martin, like, how are 507 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,680 you going to get an upgrade using only Kayla Martin from Kayla Martin who was 508 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,039 really good for you? And that complicates their situation. Then you look at 509 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,720 their salary filler Kyle Lowry, Duncan Robbins, and even Tyler Hero those are 510 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,240 all really expensive guys. Yeah, and so free agents before we get to 511 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,079 trade targets, which I think are the meat and potatoes of this team's offseason. 512 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,079 Guys like Utah wants an hobby Day. I thought they were a teaching 513 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,000 warrant team last year, to like try to rehabilitate a guy who's been injury 514 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,680 prone, wants Oscano Anderson. Maybe Joe Ingles could be a minimum guy. 515 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,240 Jamichael Green Javonte Green, one of my I think is one of the most 516 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:43,519 underrated free agents. I don't know if you know the ladder of that. 517 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,400 I mean, all of those guys that are named, quite frankly, might 518 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,000 be stretches. Maybe not Wants, Oscano Anderson, but all those names might 519 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,359 be ambitious when you're only working with the minimum. Maybe not for Joe Ingles 520 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,440 as he reached like the three plus a million dollars like minimum, so he 521 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,960 could look at it that way. But you know, I don't know. 522 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,039 And Jamichael Green just played for the minimum, so maybe he's not too much 523 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,559 of a of a stretch. But any other names stand out to you for 524 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:12,920 them? Yeah, I mean you're dealing with minimum, so I think you're 525 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,599 hoping for like a second or third draft guy or a veteran that has like 526 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,039 a little bit left. So you know, I bring just a Winslow back 527 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:27,760 potentially even he might make more than the minimum. Cam Reddish, he's restricted. 528 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,679 I don't know what's gonna happen with him. Trying to think who else 529 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,599 might make some sense there, Yeah, I don't know. I was gonna 530 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:42,400 say Kevin Knox maybe like something like that. He's like a fourth draft guy. 531 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,440 Yeah, that's the thing. Like, now we're getting way down the 532 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,920 line. I think Watson Abby's a great one. But yeah, I think 533 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,800 I think you're banking on heat culture and then really it's it may not be 534 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,440 free agency. It's just like, well we've found some other guy in the 535 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,480 G League that everybody gave up on and we're gonna turn him into a twenty 536 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,000 five minute agame player. But yeah, that I think the trades, as 537 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:06,639 you said, are really where you start. We can cross Bradley Beale off 538 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,360 the list there, even though I think that would have been a better package 539 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:15,039 than the Phoenix one. Zach Lavine, Dame Willard Collins. I love the 540 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,800 Collins fit here. I was thinking the other day about obviously, because if 541 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,320 you've got a guy that has underperformed seemingly, or you know it's been injury, 542 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,239 I think, or whatever, just get him to Miami and like it'll 543 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,079 he'll just immediately be forty percent better. So I love Collins there. Do 544 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:39,119 you think if you're if you're the Hawks and you're offered Duncan Robinson as like 545 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:44,719 the main asset for John Collins, are you hanging up immediately? What else 546 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,840 do you need? Does that salary not come off the books quick enough for 547 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,280 you? Because the shooting he would offer, I think makes it just a 548 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,639 little easier because the Hawks did not make threes last year. I think it 549 00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:00,960 makes it easier to play Capella and or a Kong Wu. I think, 550 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,920 yeah, and Murray for that matter. So I just just just spitballing like 551 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,400 Duncan Robinson as a quote unquote headliner in a John Collins deal? What do 552 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,960 we think I think I would need? Like, what is it You're either 553 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,760 going to trade OLDEPO or Kayla Martin in that deal to make the money work. 554 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,440 And that's where it's weird. So Oldiepo actually increases Atlanta's payroll. Kayla 555 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:22,079 Martin makes it like a dollar for dollar swap. And maybe if you're giving 556 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,719 me Kayla Martin, I'd consider it. But are you giving up Caleb Martin 557 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,400 for John Collins? Especially? Look, let's be honest, who had the 558 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,199 better clothes to their year, Duncan Robinson or John Collins. Oh, Duncan 559 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,599 Robinson for sure. I'm just I would just be banking as the heat entirely 560 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,159 on John Collins turns back into a twenty from any here you acquire him without 561 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,400 giving up a pick. And in Atlanta you could look at as if its 562 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,920 Duncan Robinson and Caleb Martin. Kayla Martin really helps you, and then Duncan 563 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,239 Robinson's cheaper, so maybe it's easier to move. And I think there might 564 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,280 be teams that are willing to acquire him now after the you know, the 565 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,639 moments he had in the postseason. I like, if I'm the Heat, 566 00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,679 would you trade Caitlin Martin for John Collins? Though no, I don't think 567 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,159 I would. I'm trying to see if I could get there with Duncan, 568 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,559 Robinson and Jovich. But I think you fall short of salary wise because that 569 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,639 only gets you a little over twenty millions. Could even get a third geam 570 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,400 involved, Like, is there a way to compensate someone minimally to take on 571 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,719 Oladipo who has like the expiring contract or you can step out of your way 572 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,400 there with a bunch of different contracts. But even I didn't mention him. 573 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,400 But Omer your seven is a restricted free agent, so you're not moving him. 574 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,039 You can move Hey with Highsmith once you guarantee a salary. But that's 575 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,639 such a small number. Yeah, they're not built. It's only the mega 576 00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,519 trade for basically what they're built for, or at least they're not. They're 577 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,159 not built to satisfy or check the boxes of a team like the Hawks that 578 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,360 is going to be looking to save money. Basically, it's part of that 579 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,119 deal they make it and this must just this is how the Heat want it. 580 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:51,480 They're like their hands are tied, except they can only make a blockbuster 581 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:53,679 trade for a superstar. That's pretty much it kind of a nice position. 582 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,480 Would you do? And I don't think I would you put every pick on 583 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:02,880 the table? So three plus three swaps or how Tyler hero plus? What 584 00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:09,719 would you give up for Michael Bridges if you're the heat mhmm, I think 585 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:16,039 you Well, here two picks and swaps. That feels like a lot your 586 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:21,079 own two first? Doesn't that feel like too much? I'm not the biggest 587 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,000 hero guy. That doesn't feel like too much to you for Bridges. High 588 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:29,480 on Bridges, but so you would like Tyler hero on two first is like 589 00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,519 do you give that up for Dame? Then like you'd have to go up 590 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:37,039 other stuff too. Would I rather have Bridges or Dame might be the question? 591 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:38,800 I don't know. That's my point though, is because Bridges contract is 592 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,400 better. He also Damian Lillard fills a need, don't get me wrong, 593 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,440 and does it better than mcaal Bridges on the offensive end, But like Bridges 594 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,519 also gives you like defensively value and then you can use him pretty much like 595 00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:52,639 you could use him at the four, use him at the three use him 596 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,039 at the two, so there's more positional malleability there. All right, I've 597 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,880 come around. I would do hero In two first because the heat are gonna 598 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,239 be good and those first aren't going to be anything. You know that you 599 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,519 can give up picks in the twenties and feel feel okay? I think the 600 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,559 nets are more likely to say no. But is it because of the name 601 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:15,920 recognition or maybe the the existing variability? Okay? Is there a chance that 602 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,360 mcale bridges his numbers and performance were just inflated a little bit last year. 603 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,840 I was just gonna say, do you think maybe we need to walk it 604 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,400 back on bridges just a little bit, because like your thought, you bite 605 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,599 your tough. Okay, that's fine if they wanted to go, let's just 606 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,639 you know. In the I would say in the Collins Vein I mentioned Boya 607 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,239 Bardanovitch, how would you feel about Keldon Johnson for this team? Look at 608 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,199 that going off? It doesn't matter how I feel. The alarm went off. 609 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,559 We can't talk about him. Would I would love Kelvin Johnson for this 610 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:50,719 team. I like Kelvin Johnson a lot, especially if you knock him down 611 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,400 the pecking order from where he's been in San Antonio. It's like a fourth 612 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,039 option. I think that's that's a that would be great. I have no 613 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,079 problem with that. I think I might rather have Keldon than Bogdanovits just because 614 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,840 of the age. Yeah, and he's gonna give you more defensively. Still, 615 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,679 he's just he's tiny, but he'll probably rebound better than macdonovich at this 616 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,719 point. And his contract, it's a steel if he can get back to 617 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,519 hitting set threes and he did from the corners last year. I think not 618 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,079 so much above the break its contracts, with the declining scale, I don't 619 00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:20,199 know what you need to go up to get him, though. It's it's 620 00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,199 probably picks. I bet you san Antonio has no desire to look at Hero 621 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,159 would be my guess. No, it does not seem like a Spurs player. 622 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:29,639 Okay, I'm gonna take us to the Orlando Magic. Here key free 623 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:34,159 agents, Moe Wagner, it's pretty much it. Mark el Faults and Cole 624 00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:38,360 Anthony are both extension eligible. I wouldn't imagine either of them are going to 625 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,559 get new deals anytime soon. Basically, they have twenty two million ish in 626 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,400 cap space, and they can get more based on some of their non guaranteed 627 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:57,480 guys, which includes faults John Isaac and Gary Harris no trade exceptions. I 628 00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:01,000 know what I've been harping on as Orlando as biggest needs, Like people are 629 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:06,440 mad at you for it on TikTok on YouTube. They're mad, and I 630 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,199 think that they're that I have a bone to pick with Magic fans, and 631 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:15,480 can I actually, can I just hijack that? Go go you need a 632 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,440 point guard? You it's not this is not Mark Hill Folts first of all, 633 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,880 can play next to Fred van Fleet. Doesn't name that gets thrown out 634 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,199 there. And a lot of Magic fans, not all of them, have 635 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,280 said that they don't need a point guard. They don't need Fred van Fleet. 636 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,679 Yeah, if you don't want Fred van Fleet at thirty plus million dollars 637 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,440 a year, I get it. But you're when you went through the stretch, 638 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,440 you started five and twenty and then you lost your last four games in 639 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,360 between, you were over five hundred. You had an elite defense and you 640 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,320 still had a bottom five offense. And so there were some lineups of course 641 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,360 that were able to work, including you know, especially at the beginning of 642 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,880 the year, like their top end lineups was just absolutely slaughtering teams like Gang 643 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,760 Bucks Busters at both ends of the floor. But you can't look at this 644 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,960 team and just because mark ef Foltz is is good, he's not just he's 645 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:06,480 not playing good for him relative to what he was. He's good and he's 646 00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,320 really learned how to do stuff inside the arc. He's a quality playmaker and 647 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,880 can be in the half court. But if you view him as your point 648 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,400 guard of the future, you need to surround him with all sorts of spacing. 649 00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:21,559 And that lineup that performed by Gangbusters to start the season, it ended 650 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,000 up only being plus one per one hundred on the year, So I'm talking 651 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:29,559 about faults. Harris Wagner Bank Carol wind o'carter Jr. Had an offensive rating 652 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,519 in the fortieth percentile, and their half court rating was it was actually better. 653 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,559 It was in the fifty sixth percentile. But when you're starting to look 654 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,360 at all their most used lineups from last year, they ended up in the 655 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,400 twenty second percentile, in the second most used one of half court offense, 656 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,320 the forty second percentile, the thirty second percentile, the tenth percentile, the 657 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,519 fifth percentile. This team needs a half court creator. I'm not saying you 658 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,800 need to trade Mark l Folks. I was a little bit lower on him. 659 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,599 Clearly I was wrong there. He gives you defensive value, like I 660 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:05,039 said, he's really learned and expanded his offensive armory. But he is not 661 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,519 going to be even if you believe in his mid range game, someone who 662 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,400 expands the floor for you, and you will be inherently limited unless you believe 663 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,639 that pallow Bank Carrol is going to turn into this exceptional pull up three point 664 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,679 shooter. Same for Friends Wagner, who is certainly hinted at that. And 665 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,760 I do believe in Palo Bank Carol's jumper. You need other options on this 666 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,400 team. It's not and I keep seeing all they have Jalen Suggs, they 667 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,679 have Colanthy. I'm a believer in Jalen Suggs. I don't view him as 668 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,280 a cap stock point guard. I think you need more of a floor general 669 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,480 who ideally you can play with Faults and Suggs. This is not a matter 670 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,199 of yeah, if you go after Damian Lillard, yeah, he's gonna cost 671 00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:44,679 your jail and Suggs probably maybe even Mark cal Faults. I'm not saying you 672 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,280 need to move those guys, but you need an upgrade offensively shooting, but 673 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,559 also just as a creator type. And I'm saying is namely in defense of 674 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,119 you, because people have been angry that that's what you're harping on for the 675 00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,760 Magic. But it's just unless you think they're gonna draft one season and they're 676 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,480 gonna develop like Marquel, Foltz is not going to be the point guard of 677 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,119 the next great title contending like iteration of the Orlander, he could be on 678 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,119 the team. I want to make that clear. He could be on the 679 00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:16,480 team. He could be starting for the team. That's just that's not it's 680 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:21,440 too limited, but he's too limited for your offense in certain ways. Yeah, 681 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,320 I obviously agree with what you're saying. I think, like, I 682 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:30,880 don't know though, if I think the things that faults is best at matter 683 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:36,360 less on this particular team. Because if the theory of Orlando is we have 684 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,760 Paula ben Carro, he's the number one overall pick as a shot creator, 685 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,119 as a rookie from a premium position, like a big forward that can do 686 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,119 all this stuff for you. If the theory of the team is that he 687 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:50,280 runs the show, he gets the most touches. He's you know, a 688 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,000 guy that's going to average six seven assists a game potentially down the line and 689 00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:58,599 get you twenty five thirty. Then, like Folts is just an ill fitting 690 00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,880 piece. And so I'm not saying he isn't good at several NBA skills that 691 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,079 matter. It's just that the theory of this team has your point guard and 692 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,639 probably your off guard off the ball a lot. Because in addition to bank 693 00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,760 Caro, you have Wagner that can do a bunch with the ball. Should 694 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,079 also have a pretty heavy creation burden. Like that's a good thing. It 695 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,960 opens up possibilities to build this backcourt in a number of different ways. And 696 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,199 if that's get a facilitator, get a guy who can take some of the 697 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,119 playmaking load off your forwards. Cool, he's got to be able to shoot. 698 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,920 Folk shot thirty or time from three last year. That's a career high 699 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,639 by a mile. He doesn't take threes. He shot one and a half 700 00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,039 a game. Like that's just away from the ball. You can be as 701 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:42,760 great a cutter as there is in the world. You can, you know, 702 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,920 run a pick and roll. There are ways to use guys like Folks 703 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,599 that just don't scare the defense from the perimeter. But it's always going to 704 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:54,480 be a hindrance to the like the optimal version of this magic team. So 705 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,519 like if it yeah, so just in a lot of ways, I think 706 00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:04,159 it makes this roster easier to build because you're smaller players, you're guards. 707 00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,280 They don't even have to be smaller. You can get some big guards as 708 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,440 long as they can shoot. They just don't have to make the lion's share 709 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,280 of the plays. They can be decent at that. But if it's if 710 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,280 Bankro is the guy, and I think you have to view him that way, 711 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,360 then you've got options, Like you can have a Marcus Smart type be 712 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,639 your nominal point guard, right because nobody's nobody's ever confused Marcus Smart with a 713 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,280 guy that is going to run an elite offense. Like he's passable. He 714 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,719 can run a pick and roll if you need him to, but he's out 715 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,400 there to do other stuff. And like, granted, Smart's not even a 716 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,519 great three point shooter. That's been like a knock for him historically. He's 717 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,760 way better than Faults, Like it's not even a comparison. He'll actually take 718 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,599 him, I mean, maybe too many. I'd say Celtics fans would probably 719 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,960 wish that he had faults as shot selection, but that's all I'm saying. 720 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,519 Like, and if you're just big picture Magic fans, sorry, Like, 721 00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:54,400 if you're looking at ways to improve this roster, if I'm doing that, 722 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,559 I'm not starting with Franz and Banco at the forwards. That looks good to 723 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,159 me. I love Wendell Carter. I would be ecstatic to have him as 724 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:06,239 my starting center at that salary, So it's got to be the backcourt. 725 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,000 Sorry, Like and full test his warts and sugs. Can't throw the ball 726 00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:14,559 in the basket from anywhere, is a terrible entry passer, can't dribble like 727 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,400 he's an awesome defender. Chris Dunn's an awesome defender. Where's he like that? 728 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,280 That's all I'm saying. If you're starting to look at this team and 729 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,920 how to make it better, you look at the guards. That's all. 730 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,760 That's it, because it's by default. I think Jalen sugs. The dribbling 731 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,000 is noted, but he had a very strong offensive clothes and so I've still 732 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,840 holding out hope that, Like, I don't think he's going to be the 733 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,440 creator type they need. It does sound like we're dumping on the magic we're 734 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,599 in a very good spot. They played above five hundred basketball with a top 735 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,280 tennish defense for most of the year last season. When you get into free 736 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,800 agency targets, though, they have like, all right, you don't like 737 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,400 Fred van Fleet, Like, do you just look at maybe even a Trey 738 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,239 Jones or an Iota tuone move both are restricted free agents? Or look, 739 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,840 if they're gonna show the playmaker route, then you just need this I think 740 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,719 skew towards shooting. And so there's Max Drew's Gary Trent Jr. He's yet 741 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,679 to decline his player option. Though, do you think about like, they 742 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,400 don't really have a ton of like wing wings on this team. It's Franz 743 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,440 Wagner, and so could you look at Harrison Barnes, What if Chris Middleton 744 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:21,599 declines his player option. I don't know if there's anyone else that stands out 745 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,119 to you. I guess the challenge for them would be that if you're looking 746 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:30,679 to address the needs in a really meaningful way that we've outlaid, it's probably 747 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,800 not happening in free agency this year. I always need to happen via trade. 748 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,199 I think that's fair. I mean, I would look at Josh Richardson, 749 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:39,519 I would definitely look at Seth Curry if you just need someone in your 750 00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:43,960 backcourt that's going to stand there and make threes and pull the defense out of 751 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,079 the lane. I think, I mean, you could be hard pressed to 752 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,639 do much better than him for what it might cost, which I would have 753 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,000 to assume is less than the mid level, you know, somewhere between the 754 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,039 mini and the full mid level. I would guess, Yeah, I mean, 755 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,199 Dante de Vincenzo shot it really well and would defend, but I don't. 756 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,480 I'm not sure the shooting that he showed with the Warriors is yeah, 757 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,800 it's like it's not enough, Like you need someone who's probably gonna give you 758 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,800 higher volume. And even when we're some of the names or all the names 759 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,280 we basically listen aside from Fred Van Fleet and I guess Chris Middleton, you 760 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,880 went there out like they're not names that are most like gonna guarantee or guaranteed 761 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,599 to crack your closing lineup, Like Seth Curry isn't gonna do that. Don't 762 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,719 Deevin Genzo is not gonna crack your closing lineup. And that's the challenge here, 763 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,719 which is why I feel like and they're by the way they're bringing in 764 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,360 the number six and eleven selections this year, you would think at least one 765 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,880 of whom is going to play a pretty prominent role for them, And so 766 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:39,039 their window gets a little fuzzy. But if they wanted to do make material 767 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:43,239 upgrades on the trade market, they could And so they're like any guys that 768 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,760 you know, I don't know that the Magic have to be all in. 769 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,000 I think they have the gazintite for anyone who couldn't see on air Grammars and 770 00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:53,039 easing. But I muted it effectively, Yeah, you effectively muted it. 771 00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:57,440 So like, are there any trade targets that stand out to where Okay, 772 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,840 the Magic don't need to give up everything. Where we're starting to talk, 773 00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:02,800 we'll do you trade friends Wagner because him and Ban Carrow, I just view 774 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,280 his no, and I would even say, like I'd be shocked, it 775 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,920 would be out of character for them to trade any of these lottery picks, 776 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,800 Like I don't even view number six necessarily is as gettable from the Magic. 777 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,320 Yeah, I don't really either, although I don't know those picks are going 778 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,639 to be a really interesting thing. I mean, so if you're not moving 779 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,400 the full boat or you know, really going all in, which, by 780 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,760 the way, it just as an aside. I don't think they should be 781 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,960 in the certainly not the signing van Vleet business for what it's going to cost. 782 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,400 And I don't think they should be in the market to trade for Dame. 783 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:38,360 It just it doesn't It doesn't make sense for Dame. I would you 784 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:44,400 you can get to the salary without giving up any of your like capslock Core 785 00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,400 players because you have the Jonathan Isaac number. You have Gary Harris's number, 786 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,880 like in that deal. I guess it gets weird, Okay, our Magic 787 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,559 fans gonna push back against or the Magic themselves gonna push back against giving up 788 00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:00,400 faults because his number. It could be pretty important for that deal, Like 789 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,480 you don't need to trade if you don't need to trade number six Bank Carrow 790 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,760 or Franz Wagner. I don't know why you wouldn't know he's consider entering the 791 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,719 Damian Lillards peep SA if you were just building it on future draft equity and 792 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,559 Jalen Suggs. And I'm not saying that you would be getting Damian Lillard for 793 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,480 pennies on the dollar. Jalen sugs. I think it's gonna be legitimately good 794 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,880 at both ends. NBA player and you can give out these future picks, 795 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,480 and they have number eleven as well. If you had to give up Franz 796 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,760 Wagner, though, I wouldn't do it, And if you had to give 797 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:30,960 up I probably wouldn't do it. If you had to give up number six, 798 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,239 I'm having a conversation. I don't know if I'm ultimately Damian Lillard. 799 00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,360 His age runs counter to the rest of your court, so I understand the 800 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:43,159 trepidation. That's that's where mine is. It's the age and the money. 801 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,119 Like the aide, the timelines don't really make a lot of sense, even 802 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,480 though I think we've seen some of that debunked. Like if you have good 803 00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:51,159 young players, get a star in there and kind of see what happens, 804 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,760 I get it. I just I wouldn't want to be paying him for the 805 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,639 downside. Malcolm Brogden, buddy healed some you know playmakers and shooters that wouldn't 806 00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:01,760 cost you the whole you know, asset Chester, I think decent trade candidates 807 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:07,840 to look at. I don't think i'd be in the lavine business just again, 808 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,239 costs all the age thing is is less significant, and he played a 809 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,480 ton of games last year, so kudos to him. Yeah, that's that's 810 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,559 about all I got there. Uh, Chris Paul, do you think he 811 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:21,960 wants to be in Orlando as opposed to la which seems like clearly where he's 812 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,199 going. Yeah. I just think the Magic are probably gonna mostly run it 813 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,280 back. Maybe they'll make some fuses and fiddles on the margins, but I 814 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:36,559 think they're set up to accelerate their timeline without blowing up their current core. 815 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,440 And I think that's something. I think they can be good enough. It's 816 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,760 a compliment, really, I think they can be good enough to make the 817 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:46,159 call there and to close before I think you have Washington. We're both high 818 00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,760 on the Magic. We think the Magic are gonna be good. Just to 819 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,199 just to end it there. Since I dumped on their guards, let's get 820 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:59,519 to the Washington Wizards. Who this is. It's they're all sorts of all 821 00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:01,800 over the place, but their key free agencies of now, Kristas Porzingis is 822 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,119 a player option. He has until June twenty first, So the Wednesday, 823 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,239 which is the day after this will be released, Kyle to pick it up 824 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,039 or decide not to Kyle Kuzma as a player option that he will certainly decline. 825 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,000 Denny Ada is their only key extension eligible candidate. Their cap situation is 826 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:21,440 basically all over the place right now. They've shed some money and so I 827 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,079 think that their tax concerns for this year are fairly low. If they want 828 00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:30,559 to access the bigger mL though, they're going to need to let people walk 829 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,639 or cut salary via trade. There's still many MLI team though in my book 830 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,880 no notable trade exceptions. Their biggest need I had it when I filled it 831 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,320 out before the trade a direction, a full on reset. They it is 832 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:51,599 underway, and so now it's just draft equity talent accumulation because there's and I 833 00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:53,559 focused a lot on the Phoenix end of the trade on the solo pod. 834 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,440 So it's probably good that, like the Wizards, are ending up here, 835 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:04,400 but like the Hey, their starting point is almost zero because as Denny Abby 836 00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:07,119 is not the future, he could be good, but I don't know if 837 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:08,920 they're gonna want to pay his next deal, and he's not Michael Winger's guy, 838 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,119 Johnny Davis, Corey Kissbert. You don't have any extra first at the 839 00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,159 moment, you have swaps from Phoenix. Excuse me, maybe maybe twenty six 840 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,360 one can convey you have the number eight pick, because basically, if that's 841 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,840 what you're starting from, is now you have the number eight pick and the 842 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,760 promise of flexibility moving forward. So I think it becomes mission critical to figure 843 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:35,039 out how to capitalize on the inevitable departures of Porzingis and Kuzma. And how 844 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,880 do you do that with porzingis Is? I feel like it could be an 845 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,519 opt in in trade just because he can extend immediately for one hundred and five 846 00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,639 percent of his number, and like, I don't even think he's gonna get 847 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,639 a raise off of his current number, so that makes him in a candidate. 848 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,559 And then Kuzma was trickier, and so I'm just curious reading on to 849 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,880 that because he could just leave and sign and trades are harder to broker. 850 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,679 Would you consider bringing him back with the intention of moving him later or is 851 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,840 that risk what it is to keep him? You're probably paying him a little 852 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,840 too much for that to be a net positive asset. Yeah, I think 853 00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:09,039 having beal off the books, and presumably Chris Paul will never like he'll be 854 00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:14,039 off the books too, one way or the other, before the season starts 855 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,880 makes me feel better about just as long as it's not I don't know what 856 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,119 the number needs to be, but preserving the asset by resigning Kuzma after he 857 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:28,360 opts out, I think you highlighted it is dangerous because it seems like, 858 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,719 well I don't know if that's fair. It seems like he may want to 859 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,679 leave, and so you're gonna have to pay a little extra to beat the 860 00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,119 market and bring a guy back who I think, if he has any sense, 861 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,599 would know that he's being brought back to be traded, most likely because 862 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:50,039 there's just no place for a you know, mid career forward making twenty seven 863 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,239 million a year twenty five, Like, is that what it would take to 864 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,159 bring him back? I wouldn't pay that, but twenty plus, I would 865 00:55:55,159 --> 00:56:00,440 think, right sure, Like I mean at twenty million dollars, I think 866 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,400 there's a chance you could trade Kuzma for positive value. So yeah, I 867 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,400 think I'd feel okay about that because, like you said, there just aren't 868 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,480 a lot of other ways for them to add talent other than just like waiting 869 00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,239 for the draft to roll around and losing enough games where your picks are valuable. 870 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,199 So that's I want to talk about Porzingis too, because thinking about like 871 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,079 what he should do just from his standpoint. I wrote something on this earlier 872 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:28,920 this offseason. I think opting in is really dangerous because you open yourself up 873 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,400 to just getting traded someplace that you don't want to be, you know. 874 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:37,639 So I guess there are upsides to that, and that theoretically the team trading 875 00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,079 for him would have an eye towards resigning him, and you might even know 876 00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:44,840 like what that dollar figure would be. But I thought it made more sense 877 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,360 for him to just enter free agency and just see what's out there, because 878 00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,400 he's not going to have a lot of control over the process if he comes 879 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,880 back on his player option. So I don't know how you feel about Porzingis 880 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,239 specifically, but he's someone I think on an expiring deal that you could. 881 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,079 I mean, there are more and more teams. He makes sense for more 882 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:06,840 and more teams after putting together a pretty healthy season that was basically the best 883 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,559 of his career to this point. Yeah, he was hitting falloways and I'm 884 00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:12,159 doing stuff off the dribble in addition, who was three point shooting and rim 885 00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,880 protection. But he still has control over the process if it's an opt in 886 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,079 in trade. You just like that's just something that through the grape vine because 887 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,639 there's no such thing as tampering. But like you, it's tough because the 888 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,079 guaranteed date is it's gonna maybe by the time people are listening to this, 889 00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:28,880 it will have come and passed, and so maybe he opts out. I 890 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,639 think opting out is the bigger risk because you control the process, who's paying 891 00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:37,519 him, who's giving him four let's say four years and one hundred and twenty 892 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:42,360 million, So you're lowering your average annual rate and you're just guaranteeing yourself more 893 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,079 than Long Hall. Maybe Houston, Utah is not going to be in that 894 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,199 business. I don't think I'm looking at caspased teams. I saw Bobby Marks 895 00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:53,639 float Christops Porzingis in Indiana. I don't love that idea. Collectively though, 896 00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:00,000 Miles Turner and Kristops Porzingis would be fourteen plus feats worth of a below average 897 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:05,360 bounding, which is kind of impressive. Yeah, get the cap space then, 898 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,920 though, so you're you're getting into the sign and trade scenarios. It's 899 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,840 actually easier I would argue to just work with this thirty six million dollars number 900 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,840 the team that acquires you, if they're gonna give up stuff, they're gonna 901 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,440 want to extend you, and you can. You could sign the same deal 902 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,119 you could go So you can only do three years. You can't sign a 903 00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:22,760 full four one. But if you get an extension or you get traded, 904 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,840 you could sign a three year, ninety million dollar contract extension. So if 905 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,480 you're Washington and knowing what you need or what you want in terms of your 906 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:37,320 your targets, where does it make the most sense to trade Porzingis following an 907 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,199 opt in? Like? Is there? Because I mean he fits like every 908 00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:45,119 team wants the floor stretching shop blocker at center, Like that's that's a universal 909 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:49,159 fit. Are we talking about assigning trade to New Orleans? Are we talking 910 00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,440 about uh gosh, where else would he make sense? I don't know, 911 00:58:53,960 --> 00:59:00,559 Portland? Maybe I don't know who they're I guess are they giving up Nurkitch? 912 00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:02,800 And yeah, I don't know, I don't know. You made my 913 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,199 Porzingis should should opt out? But but you could also like can you use 914 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,519 Porzingis to move up? And like what would is this enough to get the 915 00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:15,639 Blazers to drop from number three to eight, you take back Nurkitch. You 916 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:20,320 would take back Matisse Tibel or Camraddish and assign and trade you take back. 917 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,559 That's how you get to the number four Porzingis. And look, as we're 918 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:28,079 recording this, Kyle Kuzma has the cline is thirteen million dollar player option. 919 00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:36,719 That is totally predictable. So you send nurkicch tible number three and I'm assuming 920 00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:38,599 that gets to the salary needed and if it doesn't, you have to hear 921 00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:42,920 a little that you can move. You send that to Washington for number eight. 922 00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:47,639 Porzingis and Denny Avdia. Oh, Avdia got my interest up because I 923 00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,760 know you said he's not going to be the guy you built around, but 924 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,039 I think we both really like or I really I still really like abdia is 925 00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:00,400 getting off of Nerk's money while getting Porzingis Avdia and number eight. Is that 926 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:05,079 enough to move? I think that might that might be pretty close. If 927 01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,280 I'm Portland, I don't think I do that. If Scoot is there, 928 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,079 that was my thought. I'm like, no, out of Scoots there, 929 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,440 which which he like he probably will be. Unless this is all, I 930 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,159 guess we've skipped the Charlotte part already, but they had both him and Miller 931 01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:21,800 back to work out again and apparently Scoot was just better, which no shit, 932 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,519 So I don't know, I don't think I think Scoot might be there 933 01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:31,440 and so, uh, I don't know if that would that would give me 934 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,480 the most pause of all the variables in that transaction, which is a good 935 01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:42,639 one because that, I mean, Porzingis would really make Portland's offense interesting if 936 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,840 if he's healthy, and I think he'd probably be a defensive upgrade two over 937 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,679 Grant on the front line too, that's legit. I mean, that's also 938 01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,960 what frontline that's not going to rebound too much? Though, No, what 939 01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,639 else you want to hit with Washington here, Like I you know, their 940 01:00:54,679 --> 01:01:00,000 targets are all just like don't you want to win zero games this year? 941 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,039 Isn't that like isn't that the plan? So right? I just like I'm 942 01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:07,079 like, can you look at you know, I don't mean like it's draft 943 01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:10,119 equity, draft equity, draft equity, and so it's can you get like 944 01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:16,400 it's Porzingius or excuse me, Kyle Kuzma in a perspective, sign and trade. 945 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,920 Can they get you, like any young players from like other teams, 946 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,760 and it's I don't know, you know, India has made the number seven 947 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,800 pick available, but you're not getting that for Kyle Kuzma. Sign and trade 948 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,559 and they can sign Kyle Kuzma outright. A lot of people have mentioned Porzingius 949 01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:37,039 as like someone for the Knicks. Knicks fans are very high on the idea, 950 01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,199 which surprised me a little bit. Can you get Quentin Grimes out of 951 01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:43,280 that deal? Like that's the kind of and like even the Portland thing, 952 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,360 like you got draft equity, and so it's can you send Porzingis somewhere where 953 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:50,000 even if you're taking back bad money, Let's you San Antonio with Wemby, 954 01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,480 Like, would they give you anything a lower end first in addition to Kelton 955 01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:57,039 Johnson to that? Is that too much for Porzingius? I'd be very curious 956 01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,480 to see, but they don't have. Which interesting is that you can move 957 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:02,119 Monte Morris and Delane right both of them were going in the final year of 958 01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:06,360 their deals. None of those guys are worth a first round pick. I 959 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,480 think the player with the most interesting trade value because when it's Kyle Kuzma signed 960 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:14,199 in trade, he has leverage. I think even with Porzingis. There's just 961 01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:16,960 the numbers so big that you're kind of just at the end his position. 962 01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:21,199 It's like he's a center. I don't want to see him playing with another 963 01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,199 big because you can try and get away with him with BAM if you wanted 964 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:27,400 to in Miami, but just I don't want to see him play with another 965 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,119 big. Denny Avdia is what can you get? You could look at extending 966 01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:31,760 him. I don't know what the number is, but like, what is 967 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,760 a team want to give you a first round pick to have the right to 968 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,039 extend or resigned any Abdia and restricted free agency? That's your needs. And 969 01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:42,639 I don't even think we don't need to focus on names. I would just 970 01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:45,079 say, and we haven't really gotten your thoughts on the Biel trades, maybe 971 01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:49,519 we can give us that quickly. I would just say that the trade was 972 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,400 bad, like just objectively, the value and the process that led the Wizards 973 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,840 there was catastrophic them making this call, because it's not on this front office 974 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,199 that it's on tennyans Is that they got here. It's not on Michael Winger 975 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,840 and co. Making this decision has actual value. It's overdue, but it's 976 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,800 finally been made, and yes, the process is going to be longer and 977 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:13,280 probably more arduous, but you're beginning it and I think that's what matters most 978 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,920 here and it also proves and now I'll throw it to you. I swear 979 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:22,639 that this front office has autonomy to make these decisions. Yeah, I don't 980 01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:28,519 think my thoughts will diverge much from yours or be surprising about the Beal trade. 981 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,599 I think it's frustrating that I don't think the Phoenix package was the best 982 01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:38,400 that was on the table that they could have gotten, but the no trade 983 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,320 closet and you said it, like the Wizards just put themselves in this position, 984 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,280 so you just you don't. They just didn't have any power, any 985 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,840 agency, any control over this process. So the best thing they did was 986 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,639 just doing it right, like it almost doesn't matter. And they didn't take 987 01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:57,480 on any crippling money, which is hard to do when you're trading the worst 988 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,800 contract and the player on guaranteed money after next season. Right, So I 989 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:05,039 mean, if it's just let's undo this decision we made success, right, 990 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:10,440 Like, that's that's fine, and it does give me confidence that this now 991 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:14,679 is a franchise that's going to operate rationally. And just build like so many 992 01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:18,280 other success you know, the thunder of the Jazz whatever have done, and 993 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:24,159 that's just the right thing to do. It's just like, this is gonna 994 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,719 be a long road because you didn't get the four first rounders or whatever for 995 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,760 bal or even the two or three you could have gotten had you traded him 996 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:38,360 two three years ago. So it's gonna suck. But I think I wonder 997 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,159 how Washington fans feel about it. I suspect that generally there they get it 998 01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:45,480 like this needed to happen and it's okay. They're probably just exasperated that it 999 01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:48,960 reached this point and it was just evidently predictable. Yeah, we saw this 1000 01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:51,239 three or four years ago. The thing that they have going for them, 1001 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,480 and then you could take us out. I think when they have a bunch 1002 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,119 of cap space next year unless they do something in their books that's funky this 1003 01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:02,239 year, the value of that, with more of the penalties kicking in for 1004 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,639 these teams that are going to be not just crossing the second apron but the 1005 01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:10,599 first apron, there might be real compensation available if you're leasing out cap space. 1006 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,119 That's a great point the cap so cap space I feel I had sort 1007 01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:17,199 of become less valuable generally speaking lately, I think that's gonna change. It's 1008 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,719 filters. In free agency, I would are you it's really not that valuable. 1009 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,039 But on the trade market, I think it became more value the teams 1010 01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:25,840 that can take on bad money with picks attached. So that's how you fast 1011 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,880 track this. If you're Washington, is you just you eat a couple really 1012 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,639 bad deals for a couple of years, hopefully they don't extend, you know, 1013 01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:34,400 too far, and you're you're back flush with picks. Although I think 1014 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,440 picks are probably going to be viewed as more valuable now too, because that's 1015 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,079 a way to have cost controlled players on the team. So we'll see. 1016 01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:46,920 That covers the Southeast Division, which you know, kind of kind of good 1017 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,239 spot to be news wise with Beal and the Wizards. So everybody, thanks 1018 01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:55,159 for listening, Thanks for watching. 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