1 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,559 Welcome to episode eighty of Ghetto Live, a bi weekly podcast about animal tacks, 2 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,760 why they happen, and how we can avoid them. I'm your host, 3 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:25,960 Ashley, and I'm joined by my good pal Margie. Again, hi, 4 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,039 and this is the third time we've tried recording this episode. Great, 5 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,799 and we're currently sharing one microphone, so please be nice. If just be 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,759 nice, that's it. So if one of us sounds far away, any 7 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:44,000 give a point, that's the reason why. Okay, So before we get 8 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,520 into today's episode, I want to acknowledge our brand spank and new logo. 9 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:53,600 So thank you so much to Jack ak Anomalite. I hope I'm pronouncing that 10 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:57,359 right for creating this logo for us. Jack nail the design right away. 11 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:00,320 He was so great to work with. I will link his social media is 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,920 in the episode description if you'd like to collaborate with him or just see more 13 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,840 of his stuff. And as is now customary on this podcast, as a 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,200 thank you to all of you who take a minute to leave us a review, 15 00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:14,680 I read one on each episode. Today's review is from Podchaser, where 16 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:17,120 you can leave a review and we can respond to it, which is fun 17 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:21,280 and it's from longtime listener and friend of the pod Jeremy Montoya, who said, 18 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,359 quote, absolutely love the energy between the hosts. The enthusiasm they have 19 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:27,959 gets me pumped to learn and honestly laugh pretty hard. Still so many serious 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,200 moments in the attacks they recap, but they do well to give great advice 21 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:34,840 and reason for why an attack may have happened. Been a patron of theirs 22 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:41,200 since episode two three. Heck it's worth it. Great listen in my top 23 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:44,959 three of all time. Thank you so much, Jeremy, and speaking of 24 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,319 thank you to everyone on our patreon as well. So this week's theme is 25 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:53,879 inspired by the instagram account that has been continuously suggested to me Torons of Yellowstone. 26 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:57,439 And if you read the title and had no idea what a touron was, 27 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,799 then you were like me each time that instagram was recommended to me before 28 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,879 I looked at it because I was like, I don't know what a tourn 29 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:08,080 A very unique name it is, so a tourn not very intuitive, but 30 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,960 it's a tourist who is a moron. So as you can imagine, the 31 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,479 instagram is full of people doing dangerous things at national parks and this is usually 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,240 involving getting too close to wildlife. So in the bonus episode we released in 33 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,319 May on Patreon, I talked about a recent bar attack that occurred in the 34 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,840 Grand Tetons National Park. So I'm not going to go over that story again. 35 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,280 But Shane, the man attacked in that instance, was not a torn 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,319 by any means, and he did absolutely everything right. So this episode is 37 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,879 not about that. These are people who broke rules or made poor choices and 38 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,400 paid consequences for doing so. So before we get into a story, and 39 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:47,280 it's going to be like a collection of smaller stories and than Margie and I 40 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,439 are going to bounce back and forth. I covered mostly stories in America and 41 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,719 she did mostly outside of America, but they're all at national parks. So 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,719 before we get into any of those, let's break down some statistics as to 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,639 what is killing people on land managed by the National Park Service in the US. 44 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,080 As of twenty twenty four, there are four hundred and twenty eight sites 45 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:12,680 managed by the National Park Service known as NPS. For short, each year, 46 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:15,919 there are over three hundred million visitors between all of those sites, and 47 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,800 out of those three hundred million, on average, two hundred and forty three 48 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,840 people die on NPS land each year, so your chances of dying on a 49 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,759 national park are less than one in a million if you are following the rules. 50 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,639 The National Park Service, due to a Foyer request, released seventeen years 51 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,000 worth of data they had on deaths in their parks, which documented nearly four 52 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,400 thousand deaths between twenty seven and twenty twenty three. And backpacker dot com did 53 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:44,280 some great analyzes to determine the most common causes of death, and they determine 54 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:46,400 the most dangerous park. So which one do you want to start with? 55 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:52,199 Let's go with most common, most common death? Okay, So the most 56 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,560 common cause of death within all national parks is drowning. There were eight hundred 57 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,800 and twenty nine deaths due to it in this timeframe, which accounts were twenty 58 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,879 percent of the overall deaths. Many of these drownings occurred because people on boats 59 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:09,439 were not wearing life jackets, and the next highest cause of death at seventeen 60 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:13,360 percent was motor vehicle crashes, which I think makes sense. Coming in at 61 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,240 only zero point two percent of the overall deaths in national parks from two thousand 62 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:23,319 and seven to twenty twenty three was incidents with wildlife. This was the lowest 63 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:26,759 cause of death of everything recorded. So in a national park, you are 64 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,480 more likely to be killed by a falling branch or by being poisoned than by 65 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,240 being killed by wildlife. Which I'm not sure if that it's comforting at all, 66 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,439 but I feel like it is because we talk a lot about animal tax 67 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,800 in this podcast, and it might make it seem like they happen more rough 68 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:42,920 than they do, but they don't. They don't. Yeah, So in 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,240 this timeframe, of the nearly four thousand deaths, only nine were killed by 70 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,480 wildlife, like only nine people. Six of those deaths were due to grizzly 71 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:54,360 bear attacks, one death was by a mountain goat, one was due to 72 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:58,240 a copperhead snake, and one was due to a great white shark. And 73 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,079 then we've got the most dangerous national park. There have been a few articles 74 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:04,759 circulating in recent years claiming that the Grand Canyon is the most dangerous park because 75 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:09,360 that's where the most people die. But this isn't necessarily true if you consider 76 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:13,839 the huge amounts of visitors that the Grand Canyon gets versus other national parks. 77 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:18,240 So backpacker dot Com determined that the most dangerous National Park is actually Dannali National 78 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:24,639 Park in Alaska, and it encompasses six hundred million acres of wilderness, so 79 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,680 on average, Denali only gets about half a million visitors a year, compared 80 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,519 to the Grand Canyons nearly five million per year. So in the time between 81 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,319 twenty seven and twenty twenty three, one hundred and thirty four people out of 82 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:40,120 that five million died at the Grand Canyons, which, like isn't really a 83 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:46,800 lot in that entire timeframe compared to in Denali only around five hundred thousand visitors 84 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,000 a year, they had fifty one deaths in that timeframe, so on average, 85 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,680 in Denali there are almost ten deaths per one million visitors. The leading 86 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,480 cause of death in Denali was exposure, which can kill you a year round 87 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,000 there due to to its Subarctic climate, and exposure was followed up by deaths 88 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:08,480 due to falling. However, overall, backpacker dot Com found that more people 89 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,759 in national parks in general died from heat exposure than extreme colds, which I 90 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:15,720 think makes sense given like how many warmer climate national parks there are compared to 91 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,759 colder ones. And because this is an animal attack podcast, only one person 92 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:24,560 has been killed by a bear in Denali National Park and it was a solo 93 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,199 backpacker in twenty twelve, which I think is impressive given that they have every 94 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,800 species of bear there, like every species of bear that is in the United 95 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,480 States, so polar, grizzly, slash, brown, black. And then 96 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:40,439 interestingly, the next most deadly national park is the US Virgin Islands, but 97 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,879 the highest cause of death was drowning, which I think makes a lot of 98 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,759 sense. Yeah, And as for specific locations that had the most deaths, 99 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,959 the award goes to Lake Mead National Recreation Area on the Nevada Arizona border, 100 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,079 where three hundred and four people died from twenty seven to twenty twenty three, 101 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:59,199 and just over a third of those drowned. And then overall, men made 102 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,199 up eighty percent of the recorded deaths when gender was recorded, which is crazy, 103 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:09,160 makes sense, and there were no significant findings of age. However, 104 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,680 past age fifty five, deaths were mostly caused by medical issues rather than drowning. 105 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:17,759 So speaking of, let's start with the most recent incident. So on 106 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:20,600 June first of this year, just a week ago from when we're recording this, 107 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:25,439 and eighty three year old woman from South Carolina was on Stormpoint Trail in 108 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:29,759 Yellowstone, which is near the north side of Yellowstone Lake. There were not 109 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:31,360 many details on what happened, but there was a bison on the trail, 110 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:34,839 and the Park Service said the bison was just defending its space when it charged 111 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:39,720 at her and goreed her, lifting her a foot off the ground with its 112 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,399 horns. The woman sustained serious injuries, but the nature of the injuries hasn't 113 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:46,720 been released. She was flown to the Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center in Idaho 114 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,160 Falls, and the attack is still being investigated, and no other info about 115 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:53,839 this woman has been released. But I did want to start with that story 116 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:58,040 since it was the most recent and from the information that we have does seem 117 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,160 like she was approaching bison in a way the time she probably shouldn't have been, 118 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,000 because in general at Yellowstone people are required to stay twenty five yards or 119 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,879 twenty three meters away from large animals, which includes bison, moose, elk, 120 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,160 and deer, and then you also need to stay one hundred yards away 121 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:18,040 or ninety one meters from bears and wolves. And we've mentioned on this podcast 122 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,120 before, especially in our Bison episode, but in Yellowstone, bison injure more 123 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,399 people than any other animal each year, for example, because that woman's attack 124 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,360 was not the first to happen this year. On April twenty first, Clarence 125 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:33,600 Yoder, a forty year old man from Idaho, was having a little too 126 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,559 much fun drinking near the seven mile Bridge in Yellowstone and thought it would be 127 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,679 a good idea to approach a herd of bison. He approached one bison in 128 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:48,480 particular and kicked its leg and I couldn't find any specifics, but he sustained 129 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:54,519 minor injuries from the bison in the process. Witnesses reported this incident to rangers, 130 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:58,120 and rangers located him in a vehicle just outside of West Yellowstone, Montana, 131 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,639 where he was arrested along with the woman driving, who was also under 132 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:05,399 the influence while driving. Clarence was brought to a medical facility for treatment of 133 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,519 his minor injuries, and then he was brought to a detention center. And 134 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,159 then the next day Clarence and the woman driving pled not guilty in court. 135 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,919 So this is like an ongoing thing now because now it's like a court case. 136 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,159 And this was the first incident of a park visitor being injured by bison 137 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,200 in twenty twenty four. So twenty twenty four has already seen more tax by 138 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,519 bison than twenty twenty three. There's only one last year, and we're only 139 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,279 halfway through the year and we're not even into the busiest season and we've already 140 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,879 had two which is not great. Although June to September it is the bison 141 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,919 breeding season, so they're likely to be a bit more on edge and aggressive 142 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,480 at this time. So if you're going to Yellowstone or being around bison in 143 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,919 general this year, be especially careful, like right now if you're listening as 144 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,440 this episode comes out to September. And also I think just you know, 145 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,399 use caution in general around bison's probably a good call. So handing the mic 146 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:58,879 to Margie for our next story outside of the US. Okay. So, 147 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,720 so this one, for me is an example of an ongoing series of unfortunate 148 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,200 tourist and animal interactions, not just specifically with this but like other parks as 149 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:13,360 well, that has to do with generations of observational learning from the animal. 150 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,840 This is just like not an independent instance. I'm going to take you to 151 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:22,240 the monkey forest of Ubud in Bali, Indonesia. So dating back to the 152 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,360 fourteenth century. The Monkey Forest of Ubad has been a pitical piece of history 153 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,960 in Balinese culture. Over twenty five acres, it is known as a sacred 154 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,759 place housing spiritual forces and guardian spirits. The monkey Forest is recognized as an 155 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:39,000 area of conservation. Strong local efforts have been made to promote preserving the area 156 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,840 while supporting responsible tourism and raising awareness to its cultural and environmental importance. The 157 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:50,080 forest hosts a variety of statues and active temples. The forest is also home 158 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:56,159 to over twelve hundred liontailed macaques. These monkeys are known to be sacred, 159 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,320 symbolizing protection and mischief. Size Wise, they can be up to twenty eight 160 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,600 inches in high and weigh up to almost forty pounds. So considering this has 161 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,679 been an active area for centuries that has hosted people year round for ceremonies, 162 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:13,120 there clearly has been an established relation between monkeys and the locals. But this 163 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,320 location has boomed in tourism, resulting in a cesspool of dumb people and smart 164 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,279 primates. The monkeys are smart, and they learned how to trick humans into 165 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:24,919 getting their belongings, food, water, and whatever else they might be interested 166 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:28,799 in, which can result in and in parentheses but not limited to damage or 167 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,080 stolen items, or being scratched or bitten by the monkeys. So when entering 168 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,919 the park, there is numerous warning signs and strict guidelines for people entering the 169 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,519 forest. These rules include, but are not limited to, leaving all items 170 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:46,759 of value at your accommodation. For example, a trending video currently is one 171 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:52,399 of the monkeys taking a woman's passport from her bag, and as she tries 172 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,840 to take it back, the monkey then proceeds to rip the pages out, 173 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,399 swipe at her, and then retreats from her and just like disappears. So 174 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,320 she lives with the monkeys now right, I mean she probably had to pay 175 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,600 a decent amount of money to get a passport replacement. So other common stolen 176 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:16,679 items include cameras, phones, jewelry, and sunglasses. So if you must 177 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,360 have a backpack on you or a bag on you, it must be zipped 178 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:24,559 and all straps, keychains and anything else is tight and streamlined to the bag. 179 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:30,279 No food of any kind, wrapped or unwrapped, should not be brought 180 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:33,000 into the forest. So like a snack for later, a snack you want 181 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,679 to bring to the monkeys, no, but guess what after reading travel blogs, 182 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,799 reviews, and incidant articles, Tourists bring bananas to feed the monkeys all 183 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,679 the time to get photos. Like it's just a very common thing and people 184 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,240 think that they read it and they're like, but I'm different. Yeah. 185 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,679 So granted, like when you're touring around, you're probably bringing a snack or 186 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,200 like a meal for eating like at a later time, but it's clearly said, 187 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,080 like when entering this park that no food should be on you because they 188 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,240 can smell it and they're gonna know. So. One traveler's blog post that 189 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,360 I really enjoyed shared their story of their trip into the monkey forest, sharing 190 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,120 how a person in their party got jumped by a monkey multiple times, once 191 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,919 for feeding bananas. Sorry going back, different monkeys each time, just not 192 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,799 the same monkey. Okay, it's not like criminal, No, it was 193 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,240 multiples. So once for feeding bananas to one monkey. So they they went 194 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,080 and bought bananas, put them in their bag and brought them in and then 195 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,600 they were like, great, let's take a photo and feed it to them, 196 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,600 only to have another monkey come out of nowhere behind them to take that 197 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:39,960 banana. So they got jumped a second time when a monkey just walked on 198 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,240 up to them, took their water bottle, unscrewed the cap and took a 199 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,960 swig of the water. Yep, and then guess what, only to have 200 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 another monkey come up take the bottle and it just threw it on the ground. 201 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:54,960 Wow. Yeah, so cool. Thirdly, they couldn't understand why the 202 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,600 monkeys were following them. They had no idea. So the park says asked 203 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,240 if they were carrying anything in their pockets, like food, because it clearly 204 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:07,000 seemed like they were carrying food, and they were like, no, we 205 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,279 don't have any food on us because we already expensed all the bananas to them 206 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,919 earlier, but we're not going to tell you that. Also, why would 207 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:16,080 you put this in your travel blog? And they were like, clearly, 208 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,519 we have no food on us. Oh, guess what. Someone had tic 209 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,600 TACs in their pocket, so they knew this person had food on them. 210 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:26,720 There were countless accounts of people losing their items to the monkeys because they're smart 211 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:30,759 and they know exactly how to play people, and they aren't afraid at this 212 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,480 point. They aren't afraid into coaxing you in with their calm demeanor, only 213 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,559 to have you come in for a photo giving them the perfect opportunity to come 214 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:41,679 in and take whatever you may have that is accessible for them. Also, 215 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:46,080 I can't imagine like forty pounds of something jumping on you to take something from 216 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,440 you. And depending on the day, depending on the monkey, the monkey 217 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,639 could scratch you or bite you. I could not find any solid numbers, 218 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,039 but it seemed like bites and scratches from the monkeys are regular occurrences in the 219 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:03,919 forest. The monkeys are regularly vaccinated for rabies, but their bites and scratches 220 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,320 can carry a variety of other diseases as well. So there are first aid 221 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,039 stations throughout the forest as well, and it's encouraged that people seek medical attention 222 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,600 for any bites or scratches that breaks. Again, so the park is twenty 223 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,960 five acres, so the park attendants cannot be greeting every person that enters the 224 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,080 forest telling them all the rules and regulations on how to properly interact with the 225 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,360 monkeys, and there's no way for them to monitor each and every interaction that 226 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,360 people have with them, so like they're not going to handhold you and be 227 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:35,600 like, hey, why do you have the banana? So this situation and 228 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,399 one similar have sparked a lot of controversy concerning animal welfare and tourism. Quote 229 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:43,080 from Bali's Sun. These kind of negative interactions with monkeys are just part of 230 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,519 the reason why World Animal Protection says that there are no ethical animal tourism venues 231 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:54,320 in Bali and Lombak. Interactions with wildlife and domesticated animals at tourism facilities in 232 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,799 Bali and Lombok all fall short of the high welfare standards. Captive wild animals 233 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,240 need to be healthy. So basically, like the quote that you just said 234 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,679 from the Bali Sun is saying that, like there's no like the country doesn't 235 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,840 do a very good job of promoting like ethical wildlife tourism. Yes, okay, 236 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:15,600 cool, well not cool but not cool. But like it's kind of 237 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,279 like a gamble of getting the tourism money and having it as a tourism spot, 238 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:23,759 and then if they up rules and regulations, it'll probably lessen tourists coming 239 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:29,679 in. But it's also like an active area for ceremonies and practices, so 240 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,519 it's not only like a public space used by the locals, but it's also 241 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,080 a tourism space. Yeah, because yeah, you do want that tourism money. 242 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,480 I get that. Oof. All right, back to America for a 243 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,799 second. Let's do a little callback to our last episode with doctor Emily Taylor 244 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,960 on Rattlesnakes. So I will start with a story written by the victim, 245 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:56,480 and despite them listing that they had been backpacking in Yosemite for twenty two years, 246 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:00,000 I think it'll become very clear where they went wrong. I Also, 247 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,399 I want to preface that I could not find the name of this person writing 248 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,640 this, but this story is from their website, which is all about tourism 249 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,519 in Yosemite. It hasn't been updated since like twenty fourteen, so it is 250 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:12,240 not active anymore. But this incident took place on July third, two thousand, 251 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,759 in Little Yosemite Valley campground. We had just returned from the hike a 252 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,880 half Dome and were preparing for dinner when we heard murmurs of a rattlesnake curled 253 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,799 up quote over there. Curious, we went to look and saw a four 254 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,240 foot western rattlesnake curled up right in the middle of the heavy traffic area in 255 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:33,519 the campground. This snake definitely needed to be moved because there were many children 256 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,279 around in neophyte adults I have no idea what that means, and it was 257 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,519 lying in a high traffic area between the fire pits and the main body of 258 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,680 campsites. I proceeded to try to herd it out of the area. It 259 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,079 did not want to cooperate, so I made a decision to try and catch 260 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:55,799 it and move it to an unpopulated area. Now, having caught many rattlesnakes 261 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:57,640 when I lived in Texas, I had no fear, but I did not 262 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:02,680 have my normal snake hand tools, so I had to improvise. I found 263 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,319 a long, semi stout pine branch with a split end, and then went 264 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,960 and found the suspect critter there. He was, sure enough a four foot 265 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,359 western rattlesnake. He was not in a defensive mode, appeared not to be 266 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,039 aroused, so I first attempted to herd him out of the area once again. 267 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,640 All he wanted to do is move slightly and curl up again, apparently 268 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,279 wanting nothing except to be left alone. Honestly relatable and also a sign that 269 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:32,559 you should leave alone. This was not possible inasmuch as someone was definitely going 270 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:36,319 to step on the beast if I left it in the area, so I 271 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,599 decided to go inhead and catch him, lift him from the ground, and 272 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,880 carry him deeper into the adjoining forest. He was not moving quickly and actually 273 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,079 seemed lethargic, so I felt confident pinning his head against the ground and proceeded 274 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:52,599 to move with my left hand to grap just behind his head, gain a 275 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,400 secure grip, and lift the rest of his body with my free hand. 276 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,920 This is where the problem started, so I'm like, at least the writer's 277 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,640 there's a little self whar. You never approach a pit viper from either the 278 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,039 left or the right, as they have heat sensing pits just below into the 279 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,240 front of each eye that detects the warmth of a small furry mammal such as 280 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,240 a mouse, rat, or small rabbit. Instinctively, they will strike at 281 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,480 any object from which they sense body heat. As my hand was radiating just 282 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,359 such heat, the snake whipped around very quickly and bit me on the left 283 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,359 index finger with one fang. I immediately began to suck the poison from the 284 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:32,519 wound. I sucked as hard as I could for an extended period of time 285 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:34,599 as I could. In the first ten minutes, I felt as though I 286 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,559 got a good portion of the poison out as my mouth began to numb, 287 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,640 and I felt a lightheadedness that produced a tingling feeling all over my scalp. 288 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:47,279 Unfortunately, and this was the mistake, he says, as if it was 289 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:52,640 not a mistake the entire time, I proceeded to become angry and killed the 290 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,160 snake with a hard twist on the pinning stick, thus decapitating it. I 291 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,000 buried the head and it can still bite. For several minutes after death, 292 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:03,799 I did not feel any pain, except for the minor pain of the fang 293 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,240 prick, for about ten minutes. At about fifteen minutes, I began to 294 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,880 feel soreness in the finger and swelling began. I proceeded to my campsite and 295 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,880 informed my backpacking buddy, Bob Larson, of the accident. He thought I 296 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,480 should get help from the ranger, but I did not feel the bite was 297 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,720 that bad, and hoping I received a dry bite non venimation, I opted 298 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,680 for cleaning the site, continuing suction with my snake bitkit, and taking etcedron 299 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:32,079 for the pain. As luck would have it, and right about the time 300 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,599 I was beginning to reconsider my decision, a park ranger came by and we 301 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,079 told him what happened. He immediately radioed for the helicopter to take me out 302 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,920 of the back country, and we then met a helicopter in Yosemite Valley that 303 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,119 would take me to a hospital in Modesto. By the time I got to 304 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,480 Modesto, about eighty minutes after the bite, my hand was in severe pain 305 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:53,759 and the swelling had spread to my entire hand. The medical personnel began to 306 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:57,279 stick needles in me literally left and right. I had three ivs, one 307 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:02,880 for saline, one for antibiotics, one four snake bite venom or anti venom. 308 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,000 I received twenty vials of anti venom, thus cleaning them out of all 309 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:11,799 they had, and also received massive doses of antibiotics. At about two hours 310 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:14,960 after the bite, the pain was beginning to be unbearable. I asked for 311 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,200 pain medication. They gave me morphine and vicot in, with very little effect. 312 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,640 I slept very little that night, what with three ivs and a throbbing, 313 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,720 very painful hand that had to be positioned in an upright position to reduce 314 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:30,920 blood flow to the hand, thus reducing swelling pressure slightly. By midnight, 315 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,400 my hand was swelling to the size of a soft ball. And the pain 316 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,759 was very pronounced. I came close to having to have my hand debrided, 317 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:41,240 which is split open to relieve pressure and allowed blood flow to the tip of 318 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,079 my finger. For the next four nights, I slept no more than forty 319 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,960 five minutes at a stretch and experienced constant, extreme pain, with the morphine 320 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,720 and vicodin only taking the edge off. I spent four days in the hospital, 321 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,240 and after being released, I was home with a fever of one hundred 322 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,640 and one degrees for two weeks. After the swelling wind down, at about 323 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,039 six days, I experienced pain in all my joints. I could not lift 324 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:07,559 a glass of water, brush my teeth, or any other common bodily function. 325 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,599 This lasted about two days. All told, I was bedridden for eighteen 326 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:17,279 days straight and it was almost thirty days until I could return to work. 327 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,759 Not fun, you know. To preface this story with like I've been hiking 328 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:26,359 for twenty two years and then to not only try to grab a venomous snake, 329 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,720 but then to suck the venom out and then also like decapitate the snake 330 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,720 just goes to show that you had no idea what you were doing. Yep, 331 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,839 Like proceeding, just like, what was the point of killing what was 332 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,000 the point of even trying to move it at that point? Yeah, I 333 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:41,880 mean his whole point was like, ooh, it's gonna bite somebody. Then 334 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,440 he was like, let me touch it. So I definitely bite somebody and 335 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,039 then kill it, so out of anger because he was mad that it did 336 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:51,400 the thing that he was afraid it was gonna do if anyone got near it. 337 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,480 Yeah, so ri ip so that. Yeah, I uh, I 338 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,640 was speechless as well, because, yeah, talk about a toron. I 339 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,279 don't care if you're even like a local to the area. So the park's 340 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:06,079 info page about rattlesnakes advises people not to touch the snakes obviously, and if 341 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:08,200 you encounter a snake in a campsite, call a ranger instead of trying to 342 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,200 handle it yourself. I don't care what take what snakes you held in Texas, 343 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:17,200 just call somebody. And then in twenty twenty, there were two rattlesnake 344 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,759 bites in Yosemite National Park as well, within the span of three days, 345 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,720 but the more dramatic of the two was as follows. On August twenty sixth, 346 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,400 twenty twenty, around two thirty pm, an unnamed man in his mid 347 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:33,200 thirties and his wife were fishing barefoot in the Grand Canyon of the Too Loam. 348 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,279 That's probably not how you pronounce the name of that river. Anyways. 349 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,599 As he was fishing barefoot, this man stepped on a rock, causing the 350 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,920 rock to shift, and a rattlesnake that had been under the rock struck out 351 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,359 and bit his left foot. Yosemite is home to only one rattlesnake, the 352 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,559 Northern Pacific rattlesnake, which its scientific name is Crotalus oreganus, and this species 353 00:23:53,599 --> 00:24:00,720 typically eats ground squirrels, which is a pretty big thing. God, yeah, 354 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,480 it's a big snack. It is a big snack, and they can 355 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,839 be found in elevations up to nine thousand feet. As is the case with 356 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,319 most snakes, they are most commonly found near rocks, logs, and woodpiles. 357 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,079 This couple had been backpacking, so after the husband was bitten, they 358 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,160 tried to hike out together, but very quickly they realized the man was in 359 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,279 no condition to hike, so his wife had to leave him to go find 360 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,640 help. But before she left, she pinned her husband's location on her phone 361 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,359 so that she would have coordinates, which is good. That's so smart. 362 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,079 Yeah, very smart. So at some point one of them, and I'm 363 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,720 assuming it's the wife, ran into another hiker who decided to go back and 364 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,839 stay with the husband. That's very nice. Meanwhile, his wife hiked alone, 365 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,079 hiking through the night and only stopping to take quick nap when she was 366 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,559 exhausted. She continued on in the morning. So you figure he was bitten 367 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:55,160 at two. So she just starts hiking and does not stop literally all night 368 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,799 to try to find help. And she continued on after like a quick nap, 369 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,920 on until the morning around eight fifty am on the twenty seventh, when 370 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,920 she finally found another hiker who had an emergency satellite device. That is over 371 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,240 sixteen hours of pure hiking. Yeah, after her husband was bitten. So 372 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,799 he was sitting there for sixteen hours after being bitten by a rattlesnake. Oh 373 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:17,720 my gosh. So the wife provided her husband's last known coordinates and a thorough 374 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,039 description of what had happened. The California Highway Patrol deployed a helicopter to find 375 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,400 the man and attached one of their crew members to a hoist to lower them 376 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,279 down to him. The crew member secured themselves and the injured man to a 377 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:34,160 harness and they were airlifted by the helicopter to Yosemite's HELLI Base at Crane Flat, 378 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,359 and then he was taken into an ambulance and stabilized, and then he 379 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,839 was once again airlifted to a hospital in Modesto. He received two doses of 380 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,880 anti venom and was released from the hospital a little over a week after the 381 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,599 bike, which compared to the first story, I think is like pretty decent 382 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,319 considering he was left for that long. Yeah. Absolutely, Now I included 383 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,559 the story in this theme only because last week with doctor Taylor we talked about 384 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,440 wearing secure and tall footwear when in rattlesnake country to aid these kinds of situations. 385 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:06,079 But I'm sure as experienced backpackers who were fishing rattlesnakes probably weren't on their 386 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,599 mind at the time. So it's just kind of like a carelessness thing. 387 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,880 But I don't necessarily fault that. I wouldn't exactly call them a toron, 388 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,079 but I just thought it was a good example. Yeah, like I don't 389 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:17,559 want to say, like a freak accident, but it was like they were 390 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:19,759 being very aware, but also at the same time, it can happen anywhere. 391 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,559 Yeah. Also, there is no recorded death in Yosemite from rattlesnakes, 392 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,240 and these Northern Pacific rattlesnakes are known to be pretty docile as far as rattlesnakes 393 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,559 go, so they don't usually pose a major threat to hikers. Let's say 394 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,079 about rattlesnakes before we get into our next story. Let's take a quick ad 395 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,279 break, all right, So Margie, back to you, back to out 396 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,839 of the states. Out of the States. So this specific incident happened in 397 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,880 twenty eighteen. But people feeding things to animals when they absolutely shouldn't be is 398 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640 something that I wish would just go away, but it probably not we will. 399 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:55,240 So that brings me to this gem of a headline. Officials warn Taurus 400 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,519 not to feed kangaroos fast food after attacks. Okay, here we go. 401 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,000 So anyone in Australia is it still happening? Please confirm? So during this 402 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,599 time in morrisse At, Australia, is city, a tad north of Sydney, 403 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,240 a number of reported incidents of kangaroo's attacking people were on the rise, 404 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,400 one of them being a man being attacked and needing seventeen stitches on his face, 405 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,839 another with a man having a very deep gash on his stomach, and 406 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,839 multiple people being scratched on their face as well. What was happening for these 407 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:30,160 people to get these injuries, you might ask, Well, this quote put 408 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,920 it perfectly for me. Despite a number of warning signs being placed throughout the 409 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,519 area, people still come in droves and feed the kangaroos processed foods. They're 410 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:44,039 addicted to fast food, and they're attacking tourists who offer them chips McDonald's, 411 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,920 KFC, and they tried to take selfies with them, so that was it 412 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,000 on the kangaroos, like they were just like please stop. That makes me 413 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,599 wonder, like do you think Americans are so aggressive because we're constantly eating fast 414 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,880 food? I don't know. I feel like there's a study that could be 415 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,960 done there of like feeding fast food to animals even were I don't know, 416 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:06,400 that's crazy. Why would you who in your right mind would be like do 417 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,119 you think a kangaroo with like a big mac like that would never even cross 418 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,519 my mind? But I guess we're not idiot Taurus, So I'm just imagining 419 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,720 like somebody getting like a KFC family bucket and like rolling up to them and 420 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,160 being like, hey, guys, like for a selfie, would you like 421 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,359 a KFC bucket? And that's assuming like these people obviously don't know what kangaroos 422 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,599 eat. Like It's like kangaroos are normally out there like killing chicken the fitch, 423 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:33,519 they eat leaves. I just this is yeah. Oh god, So 424 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:34,599 on the one hand, not only are you feeding them, but you're feeding 425 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,960 them incorrect things. Yeah. Anyways, so I know I shouldn't think too 426 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,599 hard about it because obviously the people don't have a lot of brain cells going 427 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,119 between them. But anyways, so sorry, here's a visual for you a 428 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,960 kangaroo with a KFC Family bucket in its pouch. Oh my god, the 429 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,519 perfect buet. It's the perfect place to store it. You just read it. 430 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,599 Oh my god. Oh we're not promoting this. We are not promoting 431 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,240 this. No, but like, wouldn't it be I think a little funny. 432 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,960 This is the role that Nick Playtt used to play on this podcast. 433 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,920 Now would somehow become the all right, anyways, Margie little more about Australia 434 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:14,519 Realia. Another Australian story on Gurry Island, also known as Fraser island. 435 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,319 There has been a recent uptick in dingo attacks on tourists, which is worrying 436 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,720 park rangers to think they are no longer scared of human interactions and that tourist 437 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:27,599 behavior is escalating their aggression. Gurray Island is the largest sand island in the 438 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,640 world, spanning over seventy six miles, and it is home to about two 439 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,759 hundred wild dingoes. It is a World Heritage Site. In the last twenty 440 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,160 years or so, tourism has boomed on this island and the dingoes have become 441 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,680 increasingly comfortable with human interaction. Visitors are told not to leave food out, 442 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,200 not to approach the dingoes, not to roam the island alone, not to 443 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,279 go for a run, and to not leave children unattended. There are strict 444 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,400 roles prohibiting feeding the animals and basically just staying out of their way and not 445 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,680 to approach them. Dingoes create an authentic Australian experience that many tour as sekh 446 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,599 but unfortunately a lot of people's actions have begun to tarnish the local fauna of 447 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,680 the island. From a long time ranger quote, in the past, they 448 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:12,000 the dingoes would never approach you. This tourist behavior includes, but not limited 449 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:18,599 to, the absolute fucking audacity that's the technical term for me to walk right 450 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,519 on up to them, hand feed them, leaving food out unattended, taking 451 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:27,400 selfies with them, and completely disregarding the signage and brochures that encourage dingo safety 452 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,599 throughout the island. These attacks include bites to a seven year old boy and 453 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,000 a forty two year old woman. A woman being severely attacked by four dingoes 454 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,279 after she went out for a jog on the beach. A ten year old 455 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,200 boy who was dragged under the water, so the dingo dragged him into the 456 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,920 water, only to be saved by his twelve year old sister. Well, 457 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,720 the boy was treated for puncture wounds and bruisy on his collarbone, shoulder, 458 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:59,559 and arm. The dingo that attacked the boy was euthanized. Yeah. Another 459 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,880 incident was of a sunbathing French tourist who was being circled by a dingo. 460 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,200 So granted, she was like laying on her stomach sunbathing, not paying attention 461 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,960 to her surroundings, so I would say, not really dumb, just she 462 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,960 was on the beach sunbathing and didn't think they were going to do this, 463 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,839 but the dingo circled her and then the dingo then bit her on the butt, 464 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,400 resulting in her jumping up and screaming and other beach goers chasing the dingo 465 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,880 away. I was a bit confused because this was caught on video, So 466 00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:36,160 why didn't anybody like be like, hey, note that it was circling her 467 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,039 and kind of like shoe them away. But whatever. Unfortunately, that dingo 468 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,319 was also euthanized. So additionally, in the last year, two women were 469 00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:48,839 fined two three hundred dollars for taking selfies with the dingoes, like going right 470 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,079 on up to them. Animal behavioralist Bradley Smith blames visitors in search of the 471 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,880 perfect social media shot for changes in the animal's behavior. We don't have a 472 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,039 dingo problem on the island. We have a people problem, he says. 473 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,599 If you want to go for a run on the beach, go to the 474 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,400 Gold Coast, if you want to go to Africa or the Rocky Mountains, 475 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,000 you respect the fact that you're around wildlife that can kill you. Continuing this 476 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,920 quote, that might be a benign incident for you, but that's setting the 477 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,559 scene for the future. It's like a death sentence for the dingoes when you 478 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:19,799 start feeding them. Island rangers have noticed a bride and reckless behavior since COVID, 479 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,279 where before a lot of people came to visit resorts and go on like 480 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:27,799 guided tours, whereas now a lot more people are free roaming, camping and 481 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:32,359 exploring the island unmonitored. There's also four wheeling tours that allow people to drink 482 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,839 while there's so that's a great combination. Rangers have pointed out that rarely do 483 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,880 the tours disclose rules around the dingoes, so this risks feeding the dingoes and 484 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,039 giving more opportunities for people to interact with the dingoes in ways that could be 485 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,839 risky. So quote from one park ranger, I've actually booked somebody for feeding. 486 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,519 Once ticket in their hand. They looked at me fair in the eye 487 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,240 and went it was worth it, And the park ranger responded, what do 488 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,839 you do with that? They paid for the experience that they wanted with a 489 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:04,519 dingo at the expense of the dingo. So they've been tossing around the idea 490 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,000 to ban people from the island implementing a three strike system. Cheryl Rylan from 491 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:13,480 the Save Fraser Island dingos says the government should consider capping tourist numbers during peak 492 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,440 holiday periods to keep both dingos and tourists safe. In response to the attack, 493 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:22,039 the alarming comfortability the dingos have been displaying. They have places like fenced 494 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:25,480 off and beaches that are fenced off now and camping areas that are completely fenced 495 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,039 off to keep both human and dingoes separate. The government is very much not 496 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,440 wanting to do a cull of the animals. Last time was in two thousand 497 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,799 and one in response to a nine year old being killed. Twenty dingoes were 498 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:40,240 killed at random, but the recent attack resulted in two euthanizations. The government 499 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,359 responded with We're not in the business of destroying animals. We're in the business 500 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,680 of conserving wildlife and looking after their habitat well. I mean, wouldn't you 501 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:53,400 say that conserving is also protecting the dingoes from people's ignorance. Absolutely, yeah, 502 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,480 yeah, So we have a two part episode on dingos and the very 503 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,839 famous like a Dingo Ate My Baby case and we get and more into dingoes 504 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,680 in Australia and like their history and stuff. To put myself in the headspace 505 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,800 of a stupid tourist if you go there and you're not from there or have 506 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,960 no familiarity with dingoes, you probably would just see them as a dog. 507 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,719 Yes. There was also a quote of like how people wanted to feed them 508 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,719 because they look emaciated, and they were like, oh, they're starving, 509 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,280 I should feed it something. The rangers were like, no, they are 510 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,320 eating just fine. Well they're on the Yeah, they're on the coast. 511 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,920 There's likely plenty of natural food for them. And also wild animals aren't supposed 512 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,239 to like be full like your dog. I mean, your dog isn't supposed 513 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,280 to be fat either, but like it's okay to see in animal's ribs sometimes 514 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,760 it doesn't mean that they're dying. There's I think a bigger conversation we had 515 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,199 about like how much wildlife suffers. I mean, obviously wild life suffers from 516 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,840 people all the time, but how much wildlife suffers for the sake of social 517 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,519 media? You know, Yeah, sad. It is sad, especially because 518 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,679 dingoes are already so prosecuted in Australia, and like it seems like they're kind 519 00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:00,199 of already pushed to these smaller areas and they're continually being pushed to life and 520 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,400 less numbers because people are so stupid. Yeah, I was also thinking that 521 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,559 there was two hundred on this island, and I was thinking back to like 522 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,679 one hundred and forty at its peak the Red Wolves. Yeah, and how 523 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,000 then it like dwindled down and they're really they're really trying not to do a 524 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,639 call of the dingoes, as they shouldn't. Yeah, that's a tough one. 525 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:21,920 That is a tough situation. But I think that probably capping the numbers 526 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,360 of tourists or having more rangers to monitor probably would be the solution. Yeah. 527 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:30,000 Yeah, oh boy. All right, let me and my last story 528 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,199 back to people legitimately being Torons for me and ending with a story not in 529 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,239 the US. Yeah. So, as we know in this podcast, some 530 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,760 of the most serious bear attacks national parks usually result from running into a mother 531 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,639 bear with cubs or a bear being predatory. But this one is not from 532 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:52,119 America's national parks. It's from Romania. And this is a story I posted 533 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,559 on our Facebook page. When it happened. Seventy two year old Moira Gallagher, 534 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,480 a resident of Scotland, was going on a ride through the Carpathia Mountains 535 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,320 in Romania with a friend. It was April of this year, so twenty 536 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,440 twenty four. The pair were in the car and saw a mother European brown 537 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,000 bear and a cub and stopped to take pictures, but they remained in their 538 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,840 car. So they're on a windy rode up the mountain, saw a bear, 539 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,519 stopped. Okay, so they took the picture. Then the bear left 540 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:22,760 the car side because the bear approached the car, so Moira realized that her 541 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,360 friend might have got a picture, but she didn't get a great picture, 542 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,679 so they went back towards the bear to get another one in their car. 543 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,280 Okay, this is all in the car, so I'll get them I guess 544 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,159 that much credit. However, I stopped giving them credit because they rolled down 545 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,360 the window, so the bear approached their car rolled down window. Couldn't you 546 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,719 also just I don't know, hot tip. Couldn't you just send that good 547 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,239 photo to your friend and be like, yeah, I'll send you the photo 548 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,199 that I took. That literally did not cross my mind. Great, Okay, 549 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,880 that's a great point. Yes, you're absolutely right. More brain cells 550 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,760 had been used. Yeah, So what happened was they rolled down the window 551 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:59,599 and the mother bear approached them. And I'm not even joking. The women 552 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:04,239 claim aimed that they thought the bear wanted to be their friend. So with 553 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:10,079 that mind, the bear climbed into the car and bit Moira on the arm. 554 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:14,280 Thankfully for her, she was wearing a thick jacket, so the bear 555 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,159 a bit more of the jacket than her arm. But still Moira and her 556 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:21,199 friend somehow were able to get this bear out of the car. European brown 557 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,360 bears, still large, managed to get her out of the car and get 558 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,920 away and go to a medical center where Moiro is seen by a doctor. 559 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,880 But and she was fine. But these women legitimately thought that what went wrong 560 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,880 was that when they were rolling down the window and near the bear, Moira's 561 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,000 friend was talking about the fact that she wanted to get food soon, and 562 00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:45,760 they thought that them talking about food made the bear hungry and made the bear 563 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,320 want to eat them. This makes sense, so anyways, what I really 564 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,360 think is going on here is that these bears are probably fed by tourists through 565 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,599 car windows, and they're used to getting hares. But these women thought that 566 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:04,760 they could just roll down the window and like probably pet a wild bear or 567 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,760 get like a very close up or selfie or something with them. Romania has 568 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,519 the largest population of European brown bears and we do have an episode from a 569 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,239 death in Romania cost by one of these bears, so they are obviously as 570 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,880 much of a danger there as the grizzlies here in the US are. And 571 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 I know that you have a bear story that you want to touch on, 572 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,599 and then I'll end with a little something some O. Yeah, quite similar 573 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:32,559 to that actually, So this one takes place in Battling Wildlife Park in Beijing, 574 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:37,840 China. This is a drive through park of over six thousand acres hosting 575 00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:44,519 lions, giraffes, pandas, monkeys, tigers, and bears. Hold up, 576 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:52,039 what, I'm sorry they have all of these species running around together. 577 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,199 Yes, Oh my god, Okay, sorry, that's insane. I'm sorry 578 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:04,320 they have pandas endangered pandas will I will elaborate a little bit more because I 579 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,519 just got so mad so fast. I probably should not have said yes so 580 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,039 quickly. I'm a people pleaser. I'm so sorry. So before I go 581 00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:14,079 fully into this, I think this shines a light onto the topic of not 582 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,360 only for people to be aware of endangering behavior when it comes to interacting with 583 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,639 animals, but also the awareness to support places that treat animals well so that 584 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,440 they do not feel threatened or in the position where they need to attack. 585 00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,559 There are a lot of beautiful places in the world to go and visit, 586 00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:31,880 all of which host some amazing animals. Visiting these places give you, the 587 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,480 tourist, the opportunity and the privilege to interact with the local animals. I 588 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,159 implore you, if you go traveling, whether it be twenty miles down the 589 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,039 road or two thousand miles across the globe, please do your research for reputable 590 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,199 places that care for the well being of these creatures and their habitat. According 591 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,840 to so many reviews on trip Advisor, the park isn't great, and I 592 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,239 feel like you and I would just screamcry the entire time, So I am 593 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,440 disclaimering that. So from what I could gather, it is a hybrid of 594 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,280 a drive through park with free roaming animals along with animals in not so great 595 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,079 enclosures. Reviewers noted of animals looking malnourished, being honked at and chased at 596 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:17,119 by tourists and vehicles, people completely disregarding rules, and the overall consensus from 597 00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:23,320 the reviews was everyone severely regretted going and it was awful. So quote from 598 00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:29,480 the Beijing Tourist website says that the park is famous for quote raising fierce animals 599 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,920 in large groups and open areas, and that it has ten thousand wild animals, 600 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,960 including brown bears, Malayan sun bears, leopards, and wild wolves. 601 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:42,719 So I just kept finding more and more what they were hosting. In the 602 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,480 drive through section of the park, visitors are advised with signage and park rangers 603 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:49,920 to stay in their vehicle and not roll down windows at any point, and 604 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,599 not to feed the wildlife. So step by step, what I just said 605 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:59,280 to you is exactly what this guy did in twenty seventeen. So two friends 606 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,280 were in a car going through the park, and it is just so wrong 607 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,440 on so many levels. But since they saw other people doing it without incident, 608 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,400 they thought they too could roll down their window and feed the bear. 609 00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,360 They said that they rolled down their windows to throw food at the bear and 610 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,159 record the interaction. What looks like to be an Asian black bear from a 611 00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,760 screen grab I saw. The Asian black bears can be up to six feet 612 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,880 tall and up to two hundred and fifty pounds. The bear lunges through the 613 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,280 window after they tried to roll up the window. The weight of the bear 614 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,519 prevents the window from closing. The bear bit the man's shoulder, resulting in 615 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,639 puncture wounds. On CCTV footage, park rangers are clearly telling them to close 616 00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:45,000 their window before the attack. The guy one hundred percent completely admitted to being 617 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,719 at fault. Yeah, this incident resulted in more gated off areas, creating 618 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,159 a barrier between roadway and enclosure, and an increased amount of surveillance. So, 619 00:41:53,280 --> 00:42:00,000 but in the previous year, in twenty sixteen, literally a year before 620 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,599 or two women were visiting the park when one of them got out of the 621 00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:07,079 car. This is all on video footage, by the way, claiming she 622 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,119 thought she was in a safe zone. I literally don't know how you would 623 00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:14,480 feel safe around that many animals and that many predators. I don't know, 624 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,800 So so she thought she was in a safe zone. But from what I 625 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,760 could gather is that the safe zones are clearly labeled and like there is an 626 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,079 obscene amount of signage and surveillance. The woman gets out of the passenger side 627 00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,679 and goes over to the driver's side. The driver gets out and the woman, 628 00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:39,840 who had been walking over a Bengal tiger approaches from behind and grabs her 629 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:46,039 and takes her off screen. The second woman, the driver runs to aid 630 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:51,320 the situation. You do not see this. The woman who is dragged away 631 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,480 was injured, but unfortunately, the second woman was malt to death by the 632 00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:59,639 tiger. What yeah, uh wait, I think I've seen this video and 633 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,800 Reddit. Someone sent this to me and I remember watching it and being like, 634 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,800 oh, this must be like in India or something where there are tigers. 635 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:08,239 I didn't, but I think I read through the comments and it was 636 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,880 like, oh no, this is like a wild life park in China, 637 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,639 because I remember watching and I think like they opened like the back door of 638 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,519 their car or something, but they were surrounded by like thick trees. And 639 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:21,679 yeah, the tigers comes out of absolutely nowhere. It is bigger than the 640 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,679 woman. It is so large. But I didn't realize that the second woman 641 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,079 got killed. That's crazy. I did not watch the video. So they 642 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,079 claimed they thought that they were in a safe zone of the park and that 643 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,199 it was okay to get out of their car. The woman who survived. 644 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,840 In a recent article I could find is suing the park for negligence, specifically 645 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,400 saying that the park did not do enough to handle the situation like this and 646 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:47,079 lack the proper signage in communication to visitors for their safety and others. Some 647 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:51,559 signs in the park read cherish your life, never get out of your car. 648 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,360 You know it's funny, well not funny. I just had a listener 649 00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,199 from South Africa reach Out and it's a very similar conversation she had where she 650 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,719 was like, you know, here in South Africa, if you are in 651 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,559 one of our national parks, you're not supposed to get out of the vehicle 652 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,360 for exact reasons like that where a lion or a leopard or like literally anything 653 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,280 can come grab you. And she asked me, like, I've never been 654 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,079 to America, you know, I've always wanted to go, but I always 655 00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:20,119 see all of you like outside of your cars, like how can you do 656 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,199 that? And I guess I've never realized that, Like there is a cultural 657 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,360 difference between all of our national parks. Like just because national parks here in 658 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,840 America, you know, it's land for all of us. We can hike 659 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,760 on it, you can camp. That is not the case in other places 660 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,199 in the world. So like, yeah, in South Africa, as an 661 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:37,840 American tourist, it might not. I mean, I'm sure people will tell 662 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,239 you and there's probably signs like don't get out of the car, but like 663 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,599 it might not occur to you to not get out of the car and walk 664 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,920 around because that's what we're used to doing. And I wasn't gonna get fully 665 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,280 into it, but I did find a story where there was an American woman 666 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,880 who was in a national park in Africa and she was in a passenger seat. 667 00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,840 Her tourist guide had the windows down, and in that park there were 668 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,519 strict rules against not having the windows down, and a lion jumped through the 669 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:08,960 window and killed her. So like, follow the rules, And I wanted 670 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,360 to end on a story where there is I guess, like a little bit 671 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,639 of justice, because it feels like in a lot of these stories, people 672 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,079 do stupid things, and I mean they might pay with their lives, but 673 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,480 it feels like a lot of times the animals are the ones suffering. And 674 00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,039 I mean the animal in this one didn't suffer like a lot, but still 675 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:28,239 was very stressed out. But the woman got her come up. And some 676 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,199 of you may remember the video and pictures that came out in the spring of 677 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:36,920 twenty twenty one of a woman approaching a mother grizzly and her cubs and Yellowstone 678 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,599 to take some pictures. It was May tenth by the Roaring Mountain parking lot 679 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:45,239 and a group of tourists spotted a bear and her cubs and everyone backed off, 680 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,679 all except for twenty five year old Samantha Daring from Illinois. Instead, 681 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,719 she stood her ground to take more pictures. As I mentioned up top, 682 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,000 in Yellowstone you need to stay one hundred yards from grizzlies and wolves. This 683 00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:04,480 girl was so clear that the mother grizzly bluff charged her like got within feet 684 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,719 of her, and that was the only thing that got Samantha to walk away, 685 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:13,079 and she just walked away. Samantha Samantha, but thankfully because other tourists 686 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,159 were watching and were shocked by her behavior. They took pictures and videos and 687 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:22,400 shared with park staff, who shared on social media and hopes that someone could 688 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,360 identify her, and of course they did so. As of October twenty twenty 689 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,840 one, she was actually sent to jail for approaching wildlife and she pled guilty, 690 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,360 so it was pretty quick and done. She's banned from the park for 691 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,719 a year, so I guess in theory that was twenty twenty one, so 692 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,960 she can go back now. But we'll see, and she had to pay 693 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,760 a one thousand dollar fine and one thousand dollars to a wildlife protection fund, 694 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,840 which I thought was a cool thing for the judge to throw in. I 695 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:51,039 like that. Yeah. The acting Wyoming US Attorney Bob Murray said her actions 696 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,360 were quote absolutely foolish, and said, quote the park is not a zoo 697 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,000 where animals can be viewed within the safety of a fenced enclosure. They roamed 698 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,840 freely in their natural house and when threatened will react accordingly, he said, 699 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:07,239 adding that quote pure luck is why Daring is a criminal defendant and not a 700 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,280 maled tourist. End quote. And I thought that was a good place for 701 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,320 us to end in, a good sentiment to end on that if you follow 702 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,039 the rules and don't approach wildlife, you'll probably you'll probably be okay. Yeah, 703 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,360 be safe. Yeah. Also, if you're going to a national park, 704 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,159 kind of like Margy was saying, like, if you have the privilege 705 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:28,599 to go travel somewhere, look it up. Look up the safety regulations, 706 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,440 look up the guidelines, look up how to contact help if you need it. 707 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,719 My god, Yeah, tell people where you're going. If you're going 708 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,239 alone, what are their hot tips? Bring proper food and water, Bring 709 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,719 proper clothing, bring oh my god, please bring proper footwear. Yeah, 710 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,639 that's a good A friend of the pod another pod off the Trails podcast recently 711 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,800 and they're local to us. They're New Hampshire Masters That's what's up, ladies. 712 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,519 So they recently posted thing on Instagram asking like, longtime hikers, what's 713 00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:59,039 your best piece of advice? And my thing was, like, know the 714 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,400 wildlife that's around to because I think in some of the stories we talked about, 715 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,719 especially the one with the rattlesnak, but the guy's foot, that's a 716 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,280 concern and that might mean that you just can't go barefoot there, and that's 717 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,599 just a risk you're taking. Yeah, So if you're about to travel this 718 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:14,039 summer and you're about to go somewhere, I first of all hope you have 719 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,880 so much fun, but also please please look up the wildlife around you, 720 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:22,760 be sure of safety regulations, know who to contact, and have emergency numbers 721 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,280 just in case something goes wrong or you see something that is wrong I don't 722 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,559 know. Also to like know the environment that you're going into and like know 723 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,320 the terrain that you're going to be walking on. Know the temperatures that you're 724 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,440 going to be going through. Have water. Have so much water, God, 725 00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,280 please have so much water so you can cut this out. But like 726 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,719 there's some type of like White Mountain National Forest. I'm not gonna say shit 727 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,440 posting, but it's like alerts on like tourists that have to be like helped 728 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,280 by fishing game. And it's always like somebody not wearing good footwear, somebody 729 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,519 not knowing when sundown is, or not bringing enough food or water, or 730 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,920 deciding to go hiking at like eight pm at night. It's just it's putting 731 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,800 you and so many other people at risk. That's a really good point. 732 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,119 Yeah, when you go into these situations unprepared, you are like putting the 733 00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,000 live. So I think we've talked about this in last week's episode two with 734 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,840 Rattlesnakes or something or No Bears, I can't remember. We talk a lot. 735 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:13,760 But you doing stupid things puts the people helping you at risk. So 736 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,840 like, just because you're being an idiot doesn't mean that other people should suffer 737 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,760 because of it. On that note, thank you all so much for listening 738 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:25,800 to episode eighty of this podcast. For relevant links and where to find certain 739 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,039 things, check out the episode description. That's where you can also find Margie 740 00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:31,679 on social media and where to find all of our social media as at our 741 00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:37,000 website where we're gonna have update and merch so soon. Thanks to Margie specifically 742 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:43,719 for helping Yay and all our expert Survival AST patrons. Keep an eye out 743 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,159 for your gift for this month. It's logo related. It's gonna be so 744 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,840 good. It's gonna be good, and yeah, thank you all so much 745 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,559 for listening, and we'll be back in two weeks with the Oh my god, 746 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:57,679 no, I forgot my thank you. Thank you so much to my 747 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,840 good friend and second grade husband and also at this point, life coach Josh 748 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,679 Walsh for making our intro music I love you, and thank you so much 749 00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,039 to his brother Jesse for all the other heavy lifting in the audio department. 750 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,519 We'll be back in two weeks with a new animal attack story. Peace