WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:13.919 He was cold, cold. That was the navel. He was cold. 2 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:25.879 Mine, what's going on up there? Could be the most important event in 3 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:40.520 history. Now I have to come and destroyer worlds, I said. I 4 00:00:40.560 --> 00:01:03.599 hope this is close to Hell's all ever again. Hello and welcome to the 5 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:07.840 Tales from the Dark podcast. I'm your host Bomb here with my lovely cost 6 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.159 Brittany. Hey, yeah, this what's up britty Brittany? How you doing? 7 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:12.840 I'm good? Other than that voice crack, I'm good. Well, 8 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:19.200 I threw you a little sweet nothing in there. We have an exciting episode 9 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.760 today. This is something that do you know, normally you would hear podcasts 10 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.560 like we've been in. This has been in the works for months. It's 11 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.519 been in the work for about eight days. We had this this weird little 12 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.599 brain idea to do this paranormal roundtable. I got a hold of Eric Freeman 13 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.680 Sims from the Unseen Paranormal podcast. He's like, hey, I'll put this 14 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:40.319 together, and in true Eric fashion, he put it together in record time. 15 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.040 Yes, he really did so. The only thing that I want to 16 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:45.760 go through real fast. If you guys join the Facebook group over it Tells 17 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:49.599 from the Dark. We today we put about a thing from amal paranormalitymag dot 18 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.200 com, where you can go and you can vote for your favorite paranormal podcast. 19 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.719 Now, we don't do very much of this, but it would mean 20 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.239 the world to us if we take two seconds join the group and vote and 21 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.599 also joined the group. You guys are currently missing out on dank memes, 22 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:06.879 conversations, show updates, you name it. That's where it's that is over 23 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.159 at the Talesman Dark Facebook group. Yes it is. So with that being 24 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.400 said, miss Britany, I think we just need to give all these gentlemen 25 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:17.360 a call and just let the chaos begin. Let's do it all right, 26 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.879 So we are joined. Thank you guys actually for joining us for our first 27 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:25.000 paranormal roundtable. Tyler Terry is in the studio live for the first time in 28 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.680 like a year. So if you guys don't know who Tyler Terry is, 29 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.280 Tyler, why don't you tell everyone a little bit about yourself. Hello, 30 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:35.319 tales from the Dark people. You already know who I am, Tyler Terry. 31 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:39.120 I have been with this little crew for how long have you guys been 32 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:46.520 doing this? Three years now, Almus, three years paranormal enthusiast in general, 33 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:52.960 for since I can remember being allowed to go places by myself, dark 34 00:02:53.000 --> 00:03:00.439 cemeteries and wherever I could sneak into. Filmmaker. Now I guess editor, 35 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:07.960 director, producer Fantom Farm with Tales from the Dark and yeah, that's a 36 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:12.840 discoverer of hay Snake. Well, yeah, don't sound too excited about it, 37 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.599 Tyler. Okay. So we're also joined by Eric Freeman Simms, who 38 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:17.879 might be the best podcast host on the side of the Mississippi. I think 39 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.439 that the ballot's still out for that. But Eric, how are you, 40 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:25.039 sir? I am good. How are y'all doing today? We're doing well. 41 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.719 So why don't you tell the crowd a little bit about yourself? Yeah, 42 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.360 I don't know about the best podcaster. I try, though. You 43 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:35.680 know. I am the host of the Unseen Paranormal podcast. I've been an 44 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:40.639 investigator researcher paranormal for over twenty years now, and I am the main organizer 45 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:46.960 for the Tennessee Hanson Legend X BOO. Very well said. So, mister 46 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.400 Brandon Alvis, how are you doing? Thank you for joining us? Tell 47 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:53.000 us a little bit about yourself? Well, first off, thanks for having 48 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.719 me on here. Guys. My name is Brandon Alvis. I'm the founder 49 00:03:54.759 --> 00:04:00.439 of the American Paranormal Research Association. Founded the organization in two thousand and six 50 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.439 to solely investigate historical locations across the United States. And I've been looking for 51 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:10.800 answers into the possibility of consciousness, consciousness surviving death for a number of years 52 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.960 now. So I'm excited to be here and can't wait to talk with you 53 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.919 guys about everything. Now. We're glad to have you and Mustapha got a 54 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:17.360 Lourie, Sir, how are you doing, and tell us a little bit 55 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:24.319 about yourself. My name is Mustapha Getta Laurie. I'm doing just fine. 56 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:30.079 Began researching and investigating the paranormal when I was eighteen years old thirty seven now, 57 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:36.160 so it's around nineteen years I've been doing this. Opportunity came up to 58 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:42.680 join the team of A and E's Ghost Hunters, and during casting for this 59 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:47.199 beautiful man, Brandon Alvis and we kind of had We've realized that we had 60 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:53.519 very similar ways that we like to work, and now we are producing new 61 00:04:53.600 --> 00:05:00.199 shows and programs documenting our paranormal research called Haunted Discoveries. And yeah, I 62 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.519 work every day with him to break new ground in the paranormal field, and 63 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:08.959 it's it's been amazing. I absolutely love that. So now I guess let's 64 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.120 just jump right into it. We'll kind of go in the same order, 65 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.000 Tyler, what is your most compelling evidence of life after death or the paranormal 66 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.360 or whatever we want to call it this week? Because we seem to change 67 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:21.040 our opinion on the title as often as we change our opinion on the subject 68 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:28.279 matter. Well, I'll rehash my kind of history with the paranormal. It's 69 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:35.399 I'm basically a skeptic, forged out of just experimentation. I got really into 70 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.199 ghost hunting with ghost hunters, of course, in the early two thousands. 71 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:45.680 That's when I kind of learned that you can structure it. I kind of 72 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.639 grew up, not grew up, but I spent some prime years of my 73 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:53.240 childhood in a house that had some weird activities. So there was kind of 74 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:58.800 confirmation from the whole family. Some very strange things happened. And my family 75 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:04.680 just has a bunch of crazy stories from down in eastern Kentucky that just always 76 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.800 kept me interested and fascinated by these unexplained things. But I would do things 77 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.759 like go to the cemetery stand in mausoleums and just ask for things to contact 78 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.560 me. And over time, the more things I did, nothing ever happened. 79 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:23.839 So I just learned to take more of a skeptical approach, where it's 80 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:30.360 like it needs to show itself to me or you know, my criteria are 81 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:35.879 pretty strict. So do I have compelling evidence? Not really so far. 82 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:41.480 Unfortunately. There's one thing that happened back when I was more of a believer. 83 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:47.160 There's a strange phenomenon where I thought. I thought I was going to 84 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:51.000 keep getting evidence because I believed, so I didn't really care about this piece 85 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:56.000 of audio. I worked at a hotel and left a a quarter in a 86 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.240 room that was allegedly haunted for my whole eight hour shift, went and picked 87 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.600 it up. When I got it back, this was this was a locked 88 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.839 room. I was the only person. I was a night auditor, so 89 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.800 I had control. I had the keys to the building and all that. 90 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.800 When I got it back, listening to the recorder inside the locked room, 91 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:20.199 heard the hardware on the dressers jiggling like clinking. So I know we had 92 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:25.480 like gas pipe issues in that building, So I don't know if the building 93 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.160 was shaking, that would be pretty extreme and then I heard a noise outside 94 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.920 the windows on the second floor. Somebody that I thought thought it sounded like 95 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.399 a young girl saying mama. I thought it definitely could have been a cat, 96 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:41.800 but the hardware on the dresser was definitely undeniable. And I have no 97 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.519 idea what happened to the audio clip. I just thought, oh cool, 98 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:46.639 this is what it's going to be like, and I probably recorded over it 99 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:50.639 with something silly. That's the paranormal negative of the group of cat. Yes, 100 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.800 I also love Tyler. You were in a documentary. I love that 101 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:01.839 we're still so skeptical yet we caught. I still believe you. I firmly 102 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.000 believe this to be some of the best evidence that I've ever seen, and 103 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.360 I was a part of. And I still, well, Tyler wasn't. 104 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.279 Tyler wasn't in the room, so that's not standing there right. He doesn't 105 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.920 think it was him, So oh fair enough, all right, Well what 106 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.879 about you, mister Eric, What do you consider to be compelling evidence or 107 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:18.560 something that's happened to you that really just still stands out in your brain. 108 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.360 For me, it kind of it started when I was a kid, and 109 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:28.199 I've just had so many things happen over the years that are unexplainable, And 110 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.279 I call myself a skeptical believer because if I can debunk something it's not being 111 00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:35.360 paranormal, then I'm going to try to debunk it anyway that can. There 112 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.919 are too many people out there today that just label everything paranormal, and they, 113 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.919 you know, try not to debunk anything. But I just had some 114 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.600 crazy experiences, caught some crazy EVPs over the years, and and photos that 115 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:54.360 I can explain. Probably the personal experiences or some of the biggest ones for 116 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.759 me. My first experience I remember was when I was around eight years old. 117 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:00.200 I woke up out of a dead sleep in the middle of the night 118 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.679 and there was a glowing apparition sending my door and I jumped up and foot 119 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:05.879 the light on and kind of slammed the door. They kind of scared me 120 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.159 because you know, I was a kid, And then just started seeking out 121 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:16.440 the panel when I was a teenager and seeing it, experiencing everything from like 122 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:22.000 I said, footbody apparitions to found them, voices, footsteps and things like 123 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.320 that, just up until today, you know, going out and investigating. 124 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:30.200 I've done hundreds of investigations over twenty something years and gone to many many locations, 125 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:35.679 and so many things. Can't explain one of the biggest if you want 126 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.080 a prime example, I guess one of the biggest things when I worked at 127 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.679 a nursing home when I started out in my medical career as a nurse tech, 128 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.399 and I worked night shift on Alzheimer's lockdown unit, and you had to 129 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.480 have a code to get into this part of the building. And this is 130 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:52.639 the oldest part of the building. It had been a nursing home since in 131 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:54.519 nineteen forties. And this is back in the early two thousands when I worked 132 00:09:54.519 --> 00:10:00.879 there, and I worked with two other nurses on the floor. They went 133 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.840 to lunch. One night, I was only one there except for all the 134 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.200 patients, and everybody's in bed. All the lights are off except for the 135 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:11.240 nurse to station light. And I was going to do around where I would 136 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.720 walk around just check them on patients, make sure they're in bed, things 137 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.720 like that nobody's got out of bed falling or anything like that. And I 138 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.320 went to walk down one of the hallways and there was a tall, skinny 139 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.440 man in a black suit, younger guy sent at the end of the hallway, 140 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.799 and I looked at him. He looked at me, he smiled, 141 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:35.799 turned and walked into patient room. And I walked down there because I thought 142 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.679 it was a real person that nobody's supposed to be in the building at three 143 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.120 o'clock in the morning. And I got down there and go in the room 144 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.639 and turn the light on, and there's nobody in there except for the four 145 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:48.759 patients and they're all women, and they're all on the bed that same place. 146 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.120 Used to walk into rooms and see silhouettes sitting in wheelchairs, and then 147 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.759 when you trying on the light, there's nobody there. Things like that, 148 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.399 Lots of things like that. When I was younger than several the years of 149 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.679 investigating, definitely experienced the stuff me and awesome that Laurence have a lot in 150 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:07.600 commons that tolls anything. We're some fucking haunted people. Yeah, absolutely, 151 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:13.399 Yeah that that dude is a walking He's a paranormal accident to happen. He 152 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.080 is an entity of himself. Yeah. So so what about you, Brandon, 153 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.720 what got I mean, we kind of discuss this a little bit when 154 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.360 you were on our show, But is there any evidence that sticks out to 155 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.480 you that's just this is why I keep doing this. With the exception of 156 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.879 the drive to find proof of life after death for lack of a better arm. 157 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.960 You know what I'm curious about with Brandon Mustafa is has your best or 158 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.720 most compelling evidence happened in the seasons of Haunted Discoveries or this spinoff? Because 159 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.279 I've I've I've watched the interviews of what's your most compelling evidence? Hurts some 160 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.559 answer, So I'm curious if it's stuff that right now you can't talk about 161 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.519 because it's on the show, if your new kind of tactics or experimentations have 162 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.000 brought on new things. Well, i will say that there was one specific 163 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.679 moment actually an episode I'm editing right now. I'm taking a break from it 164 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:09.279 to do this podcast with you guys. But Harriman Hospital in Harriman, Tennessee 165 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.360 a place that, obviously, you go to a hospital, there's going to 166 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.639 be massive reports of death and ghost stories. I mean, almost every hospital 167 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.120 I've been to that's even active, there's always some kind of story associated with 168 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.600 unexplained things taking place amongst the staff. Right it kind of happens. Good 169 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.519 friend of mine who was part of Apper for many years, he worked in 170 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.759 the morgue at a hospital and talked about all kinds of crazy stuff that would 171 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.159 happen when he would transport bodies to the morgue. So we go to Harriman 172 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.879 Hospital and we were lucky enough to take doctor Harry Klore with us, who's 173 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:45.480 the first person in history to receive two PhD simultaneously, a brilliant scientific mind, 174 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:50.000 a living historical figure. He's our resident scientist and he's been working with 175 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.679 us closely on the paramil photon theory and us trying to collect photonic events in 176 00:12:54.759 --> 00:13:01.399 these set up haunted locations with the EMCCD camera. And this is a guy 177 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.200 in doctor Clore who is a skeptic, but in the classical sense of not 178 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.440 a nonbeliever, but a skeptic that you know, a person that wants to 179 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.799 find evidence that something exists. Right, So we took him down to the 180 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.879 first floor of the hospital, the oldest portion of the hospital, where there's 181 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.360 a story very similar to yours, Eric, which is kind of crazy about 182 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:26.360 a man in a black suit with a black hat and a ribbon bow tie 183 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.360 who was seen by the hospital staff walking into rooms. And when this guy 184 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.159 would walk into these rooms, a code blue would be called and the patient, 185 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.279 unfortunately pathway and we actually spoke to some of the former hospital staff who 186 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:46.639 saw this figure and reported the code blues and reported all the unexplained happening going 187 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.600 around that. But we took Harry down to the first floor. He was 188 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:56.000 by himself. Again, a guy who's a skeptic. He doesn't jump to 189 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.639 conclusions. He's always trying to find rational explanations for anything taking place. And 190 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:05.200 he himself said that it felt like it did when he grew up in the 191 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.200 Oregon woods, where you would walk through the woods by yourself and you just 192 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.360 know you're not alone, right, you know that there's wildlife out there and 193 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.919 you could have that sense of being watched, and that's something he experienced while 194 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.440 being alone down on the first floor. But it wasn't until a few hours 195 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.960 later that we had an e MCCD session running where we were shooting down a 196 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:26.759 hallway and we captured something that not only we can't explain, but I think 197 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.879 even had doctor Klore kind of freaked out for sure, And that's something I 198 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:33.440 cannot wait for people to see on Haunted Discoveries. But a moment, you 199 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.919 know, you can't really say it's a ghost, right, We don't know 200 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:43.759 exactly, but we can say that this huge photon event manifested itself out of 201 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.279 nowhere in a portion of the hospital that was not accessible in an area that 202 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.759 was not only chained off with a bike chain, you literally couldn't get there. 203 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.440 But if someone was to somehow get into that portion of the hospital, 204 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.440 there are motion sensors that alert the property manager to someone being in that area 205 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.399 and actually gives a live feed of video to show that there's someone there. 206 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:11.639 And we captured something just completely unbelievable that we have no rational explanation for and 207 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.559 correlates perfectly with some of the reports going back to when the hospital was still 208 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:20.200 active. Very interesting. So I guess Mustafa the same question for you, 209 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.360 And after this orsoever one knows, we're gonna kind of abandon the structure conversation. 210 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.080 I want, I want to just be able to jump in for the 211 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.519 questions after this one, So Mustafa go ahead, Yeah for sure. I 212 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:37.039 mean, you know, in addition to being on a series of dates before 213 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.840 I got Marrinerat and being subsequently ghosted by every single woman that I talked to, 214 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:45.960 I would say other paranormal experiences that I've had, the one that Brandon 215 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.559 mentioned is definitely rate ranks up there. I think it's important. I'm going 216 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.200 to kind of like amend the answer and the trajectory of the answer a little 217 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.720 bit. And I think it's really important how you go about the investigation too, 218 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.559 because we've been in numerous instances where we just always kind of felt like 219 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:10.639 there's something strange that's happening, and we thoroughly kind of not only do we 220 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.279 vet all of these locations and vet all of the people that we're talking to, 221 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.120 and but we take their accounts as true and we try to look at 222 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:23.720 the entire situation of their accounts, and we really try to go as full 223 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.440 force as we can with it. And we've been on hundreds of investigations combined, 224 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:34.039 like you know, everybody on the crew, so we kind of get 225 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:38.080 a sense of like when okay, like there's something here, but we can't 226 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.279 really put our finger on it. When it came to that phenomena, there 227 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.799 was a lot leading up to that. There was just like you know, 228 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:49.279 there's a whole lot of nothing, a whole lot of like blue balls moments, 229 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.320 a whole lot of like you know, things where you go down like 230 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.000 a hallway you kind of feel like there's something there and there's not, but 231 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:03.679 everything kind of seemed to point us to this one area of the hospital and 232 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.960 then it just kind of caught us by surprise and what we captured there. 233 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:14.240 And then there's the feelings that were associated with it, the the experience that 234 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.279 happened, the way that the air was electric, literally electric, it was 235 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.279 it felt very you felt weightless when you walked down this hallway after it happened. 236 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:29.920 It was ethereal, very very memorable. It was just a kind of 237 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:34.799 beautiful and scary, transcendent moment that I'm very very happy that we were able 238 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.839 to capture on camera. Personally, I've had experiences in the house that I 239 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:44.640 grew up in, and I've been having like weird things happened where I could 240 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.720 have swore, like on multiple occasions, like I've seen myself like in passing 241 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.480 walking like through my house, and it's like I'm always kind of going in 242 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.200 and out of my head like, oh am I crazy? Like you know, 243 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.599 I was like, am I just seeing things? Like? You know, 244 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.799 because we've all kind of relied on our feelings. If you've been in 245 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.680 any bad relationships, you know that that happens where it's like oh man, 246 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:04.599 And then you look back on it, You're like, oh wow, that 247 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.000 person was kind of psychotic and they treated me like garbage and they never you 248 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.400 know, I was just looking at it through rose tinted glasses. But that's 249 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:17.920 why I like that we're able to document these things and that occurrence that we 250 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:22.880 were able to capture, including a lot of other ones throughout the course of 251 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:29.640 these investigations on haunted discoveries. Yeah, those that one definitely ranks up there 252 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.839 as one of Like if I were to show somebody who is really really skeptic, 253 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.799 I'll be like, Okay, check this out. I think that would 254 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.720 get the coals burning a little bit. And I have a longtime friend who's 255 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:45.240 very, very skeptic, and he's still convinced. I'm like signed to some 256 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.119 NDA where like I have to, like it's like a pro wrestler keeping up 257 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.519 k fabe. He's like, come on, man, I'm like, no, 258 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:53.519 dude, Like this is like what I've been researching. This would have 259 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.720 been doing, like you know, for like pretty much almost all more than 260 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.640 half of my life now, like you know. And he's like, and 261 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.240 I tell him that story, and I show him an image that we had 262 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.400 from that and when you can. When I can see him pause like a 263 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:08.960 little bit, I'm like, all right, yeah, that's that's really cool. 264 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:15.920 So yeah, one thing I find really awesome and interesting about every one 265 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:21.319 of the stories that we just heard from you guys is there's always some element 266 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:26.240 of this is how the environment was controlled. These are the external factors, 267 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.480 and you're doing it unconsciously. I think that really shows like the work that 268 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.759 people who go out and research these things, and our paranormal investigators, the 269 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:40.200 work that goes into developing those habits. So I find that very interesting that 270 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:45.599 you all had the exact same response when it came to the elements that could 271 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.880 affect your paranormal experience. I mean, very different stories all around, but 272 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.119 very interesting. Nonetheless, no, I agree, and again you guys can 273 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:56.720 jump in at any point in these these these coming questions. But I want 274 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.480 to discuss evidence for a second, because we kind of just went over all 275 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:06.480 of our personal occurrences or happenings or encounters and compelling evidence that we've had but 276 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.839 we can all acknowledge. I mean, the one reason I wanted to do 277 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:15.319 this roundtable as we have you know, documentary filmmakers, podcast hosts, you 278 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.279 know, the closest thing to a professional investigator I know is Eric, and 279 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.839 then we have all these different types of parental investigators, but we're still in 280 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:26.480 that same bubble. But there's a lot of bullshit when it comes to evidence 281 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.880 that's put out there. What do and again jump in whenever, what do 282 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.319 you guys consider to be real evidence? Because I'm extremely critical when it comes 283 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.799 to everything that's sent to me. Eric showed me a really compelling clip a 284 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.480 little while ago. The first thing I did would say, Hey, send 285 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:41.920 this to me. I want to tear this apart. I want to show 286 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.960 you why it's nonsense, because that's how I approach everything, and I approach 287 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.240 it kind of with that asshole tendency of if I wasn't there, I can't 288 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.559 prove it was there, and so that's where my skepticism comes from. So 289 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.359 I want to know everyone's opinion. What do you consider actual evidence? And 290 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.359 what does it take Someone like Tyler Terry where he filmed into Ruck to a 291 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.480 documentary where we had something that he could definitively, definitively say wasn't within the 292 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:08.160 crew and we still were like, Eh, let's find a reason that this 293 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:14.759 wasn't real. Let's find the reasons like this wasn't legitimate. I think for 294 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:19.839 me, the approach when you're going into an investigation at the very first and 295 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.599 the way that I approach it, I think is similar to probably mossed off 296 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.559 in Brendan too. But my motto is, we don't investigate a haunting. 297 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:29.640 We investigate stories of a haunting. Because if you go in to investigate a 298 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.200 haunting that you alreadys believes there, you're already biased. And so when it 299 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.160 comes to evidence, I tend to be very critical as well, and especially 300 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.039 when I present it to other people, I present it as this is what 301 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:42.519 I caught. What do you think. I never go in and say, 302 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:45.480 look, I caught you know a ghost or I don't know if it's a 303 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.200 ghost. None of us know if it's a ghost. Hell, it could 304 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.680 be time slips, it could be all kind of other different phenomena, black 305 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.640 holes, and you know, some of the things that they're doing skinwalker rnsers 306 00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:00.680 crazy but in some and it could just all kind of different phenomena. It 307 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.039 doesn't necessarily have to be the afterlife. We're running off the theories and educated 308 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.039 guesses based on experiences and things like that. So even though I would never 309 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.319 thought anybody's story because I wasn't there, so I can't say what the conditions 310 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:14.920 were and things like that. And it's the same with my own stories, 311 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.440 you know, because I want people to believe the things that I've had happened 312 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.079 when either that's to get it. And hopefully I'm credible enough and talk intelligently 313 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.599 and educated enough too for people to believe when I tell you a story, 314 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.519 this really happened to me. But can I tell you that's a ghost or 315 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.400 it's a place is haunted. I don't think anybody can do that, just 316 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:34.960 like there's no experts in this field. And I hate when people use that 317 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.160 moniker and they put it, producers put it on TV, and it's ridiculous 318 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:42.440 because you can't be an expert and something you can't prove. And so you 319 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.319 know, I'll come and show you a picture and be like, look at 320 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.119 this, you know, what does it look like to you? And I 321 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.000 can describe the conditions and you can believe it or not. But I'm never 322 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.559 going to come to you and say, even with that EVP, I'm just 323 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.160 gonna come and say, listen to those voice we caught, here's the conditions 324 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.240 Rosemont, for example, in Gallatin, Tennessee, we caught a horse any 325 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.960 on an EVP and there's the walls are three foot thick brick. There's no 326 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.680 horses within ten miles of the place. I can't explain that. But I 327 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.359 can't tell you that that was a ghost horse either, So that's kind of 328 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.000 my approach. I can't really I just know what I believe, and it 329 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:19.359 comes down to belief a lot and being there and like we were saying, 330 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.440 the feelings that you get the kind of extra century that your body has in 331 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:26.960 the environment. But I can't say that that's a ghost or a spirit or 332 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.839 the afterlife. You know, it may just all be imprints on the environment, 333 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:34.559 which you know, we call residual hauntings, even some of the intelligent 334 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.839 stuff. And there's even some people researching into that we're haunting ourselves, especially 335 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.359 to locations that we've been at multiple times. If you get your name on 336 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:47.880 an EVP or through you know, any other piece of equipment, maybe that's 337 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.440 just where we left an imprint on the environment. And the last time we 338 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.960 were there, we introduced ourselves and now we're just hearing it again. So 339 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.599 there's all different kind of things out there, so it's hard to say with 340 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.640 evidence. And then you also with evidence, you have all the people who 341 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.039 they just want attention, and so they're gonna everything's demonic or everything's this or 342 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.599 that, and they're just going to jump to conclusions because they want the attention. 343 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.200 They don't want a real explanation that a picture is a lens flayer or 344 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.599 you know, naturally occurring issue with a piece of with a camera or something 345 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:19.640 that you know, we know like Apple cameras are notorious for these green orbs 346 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:22.480 because of the way that camera lens is made with a expicted glass on it, 347 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.240 and so if you if you know things like that, then it's a 348 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:33.039 lot easier to debunk natural things that are occurring in the environment. For me, 349 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:36.359 I would say it has to be quantifiable data that can be tested and 350 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:40.720 analyzed by a third party, and a third party that's a professional from a 351 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.799 technical industry. I mean, you have a lot of param enthusiasts and people 352 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.079 that investigate the supernatural that go out there and use these devices specifically made de 353 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:55.799 fine ghosts right, and in reality that's just simply not true. But if 354 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:00.119 we can utilize technology from other technical industries that give us quantifiable data that can 355 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.039 be looked at by a professional that uses that technology on a day to day 356 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:08.160 basis that can tell you this is something that's natural or something that's not natural. 357 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:12.920 That's when we're taking that next step to finding proof, if you will, 358 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.640 or at least some kind of answers as to what is something we can 359 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.880 or cannot explain. So for me, it's quantifiable data, putting ourselves through 360 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:27.000 that scrutiny and understanding what methodology is and you know, what protocol should be, 361 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:33.200 standards and ethics, and utilizing professional equipment from other technical industries that can 362 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.079 be analyzed by a third party to say, hey, this is an artifact, 363 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:38.880 Hey this is something we've seen before, this is clearly natural, or 364 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.640 hey we have no idea what this means and how you captured it. So 365 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.599 I think once you start to add all that up and you start to actually 366 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.160 have that data, that's when we take the next step and actually have what 367 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:53.400 we would consider proof. To kind of piggyback and I think, oh, 368 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.599 I'm so sorry. I was just gonna say to piggyback off of what you 369 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:02.359 guys are saying, another kind of side question I want to add in here. 370 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.480 Is do you think it's more important for you to find answers for yourself 371 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:10.960 or find answers to present to the public. I know, as we all 372 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:17.240 have multi media outcomes and outlets that we have with podcasting, videos, documentary 373 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:22.880 shows, what do you find is more important with that compelling evidence? I 374 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:29.839 think first and foremost, if you are legitimately doing it for yourself, right 375 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:36.960 and not some kind of like personal seeking or some kind of you confirmation of 376 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.640 some delusion you're trying to create for yourself. Having that high standard for yourself 377 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:48.359 is going to invariably cover what you're going to give to the public. Right. 378 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:55.119 So if you have a high standard and you're putting yourself before you put 379 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.960 any kind of discovery you make out there, or trying to present some type 380 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:04.920 of evidence or relay any findings that you had right by when we when we 381 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:10.079 did Haunted Discoveries, I did not think we would have captured a fraction of 382 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:14.279 what we were able to capture. All I wanted to do and Brandon was 383 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:19.559 of the same mind, which let's document our methodology. Let's attack the usage 384 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:25.240 of this methodology to the highest level that we possibly can. For every minute 385 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.240 of filming that we're doing in pre production and all of that, and let's 386 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.799 let's just document the results. And that's a hundred percent. It's gonna sound 387 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:40.799 counterintuitive, but it's one hundred percent of selfish endeavor on our part because we've 388 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.640 we've again, this is gonna sound like super arrogant, but I think a 389 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.240 lot of people here would probably agree is that we set that bar for ourselves. 390 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.079 Okay, this is what we need to do. And as a result 391 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:56.240 of setting that bar, I think that kind of spurs something and sets a 392 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.440 spark in the investigation that even makes it possible to document whatever it is that 393 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.680 we're documenting. I think the pursuit and the study of the afterlife is in 394 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:11.480 itself the pursuit of life and living. It's a reflection on death is what 395 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.920 kind of makes you want to live life. More So, if there is 396 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.400 this idea that we're kind of communicating with individuals who have passed on, right, 397 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.920 then wouldn't that resonate with them? And wouldn't that kind of fement that 398 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:29.960 energy to become alive or echoes of the past or whatever it is that we're 399 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.799 documenting. So I think it inherently has to be a selfish pursuit. I 400 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:40.519 really do, because then I think what ends up happening is if you're going 401 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:44.000 in with I need to show this to other people, right, and if 402 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:48.720 you're working in the TV space, and I could imagine that there are a 403 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:53.720 number of individuals who are going to try and get ghosts. So this is 404 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.559 why you have this garage teche that comes out. This is why you have 405 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:02.160 devices that are easily manipulated that you can key with a walkie or like you 406 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.160 know, show it on to TV so people can be like, oh, 407 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:08.000 wow, look there's there's a ghost here. I think it really really has 408 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:14.079 to come from a place of personal discovery, fighting to have a genuine interest 409 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.720 in the subject matter. And we're human like you know, our desires and 410 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.799 feelings, Wax and Wayne, just like you know the seasons. But upholding 411 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:27.519 that methodology that you set for yourself in a very selfish way, I think 412 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.240 is what helps inform the rest of your work. There's a motto that Bob 413 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.759 has heard me say probably a million times, and that is personal is universal. 414 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:45.599 Whether we're writing stories or doing investigations or whatever the creative work is. 415 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:52.200 I feel like every human is a microcosm of humanity. In general. That's 416 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.920 why we have archetypes, That's why we have all these story formulas that that 417 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.799 work, and then people follow because somehow, one way or another, our 418 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:07.160 our life always ends up following that track. So I feel like when you're 419 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.920 looking forever, when when you're doing anything, I don't care if you're selling 420 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:15.079 spoons, If you're honest with yourself, if that's your passion and you're doing 421 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.759 it the right way for yourself, it will resonate with other people because we're 422 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.599 so similar in so many ways. And so I always feel like when I'm 423 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.160 asked what's the best type of evidence, it's like, I'm never going to 424 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.880 convince you, and it always ends up going to you need to go out 425 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.079 and try it yourself to see how it really feels. Because sometimes the biggest 426 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:40.799 skeptics, and I'm and I'm one of them, but sometimes the loudest skeptics, 427 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.799 I guess can't even walk into a dark building, like they're they're too 428 00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.319 afraid, they can't spend time. In the end, it's like they're talking 429 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.799 to them, they're trying to talk themselves into being a skeptic, but they 430 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.920 can't actually do the work. So but I would say if I have to 431 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.200 pick evidence, then I would. Yeah, I would totally agree with the 432 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:03.160 way that that Mustaf and Brandon do things. I'm totally fascinated by the photon 433 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.480 events and the EMCCD camera and how that works. I've never I mean, 434 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.000 I've seen it on ghost Hunters, but you know, I've never gotten my 435 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.200 hands on one to see how it actually works. And I'm curious. What 436 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.599 what is you? You said, a EMCCD. So that's I did a 437 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:26.039 little bit of homework. Electron multiplying charge couple device which I know charge couple 438 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:32.440 devices just what older cameras would would use as a sensor. But what is 439 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:33.599 it? What does a session look like? I know you guys have to 440 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:38.759 keep some stuff for your for your season premiers and all that, but what 441 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.400 does a session look like as far as the parameters and and how you guys 442 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.599 go through that. How long does it last? And what does it look 443 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:53.759 like for the photons? Sorry, a day, twenty four hours as possible. 444 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.279 You know, we want to monitor an environment for as long as possible. 445 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.119 But again we're basing in the off of eyewitness testimony of what people claim 446 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:06.920 to see in these locations, right, so we're utilizing this camera that we've 447 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.400 been very lucky to work with doctor clore On and have his expertise. I 448 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:16.480 mean, the guy has written many papers about photon events, and he was 449 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.640 the one of the people that actually suggested to us when we said if we 450 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.960 were to monitor a supposed haunted location, what we would look for. He 451 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:29.799 mentioned, you know the possibility of photon events, right, So we control 452 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.200 the environment as much as possible. The EMCCD, like you said, at 453 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:37.920 electron multiplying sensor, it's looking for light events that typically aren't seen by the 454 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:43.119 human eye, and this camera's extremely sensitive, so you have to control an 455 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.319 environment as much as possible. But again we go to locations where, for 456 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:52.240 instance, on episode two of season one, there's this story about a woman 457 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.759 in a black dress walking up a servant staircase in this location, and that 458 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:05.720 particular staircase is surrounded by windows in a eighteen hundreds home, and at night, 459 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.799 you know, you have gas lamps that are outside the window with a 460 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.680 flicker of a flame, you have street lights coming through. But with this 461 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.880 particular camera and the spectrum you're allowed to see and you can see those different 462 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.200 light forms showing up in not only different colors, but the way it casts 463 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:28.480 the shadows and the way it just casts a light onto an environment, and 464 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.559 we were able to actually capture something pretty significant. But again with this camera 465 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:37.279 being that it's so sensitive and that it sees light in ways that I've never 466 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.000 experienced before with any kind of device, you have to be very mindful of 467 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:47.839 everything. But again with a photonic event, we're looking for these light anomalies 468 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.519 that are showing up that in theory, have their own energy source. The 469 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.359 only way we were able to recreate some of these photon events that we've collected 470 00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:02.039 throughout the country is by lighting a map on camera. To see not only 471 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.720 the light associated with the flame, but to see the way it kind of 472 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.199 can busts on camera. Is the closest thing we I think got right, 473 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.639 Mustafa to trying to naturally recreate some of these events that we've captured on camera. 474 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.960 Yeah, it's it's it's really fascinating stuff and it kind of it Also 475 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:30.000 it also calls into question a lot of things that we may have discounted in 476 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.000 terms of like orbs, Like a lot of times that's just like you know, 477 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:37.280 a consequence of like Eric was saying earlier, of like camera sensors. 478 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.559 But then you know, a lot of these events we saw they literally look 479 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.280 like something out of the movie Poltergeist. You know, it's just this weird 480 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.960 thing that's inexplicable. We don't know what it is, but it is its 481 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:53.639 own energy source, and it is coming from somewhere in many instances, and 482 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.800 all of them actually come out of nothing to come out of nowhere. It's 483 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.039 just a photon event. It's an energy source that manifests, It travels a 484 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.559 short distance or stays stationary and kind of burns and then disappears. What is 485 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.039 that? We don't know, but I think what you want to you want 486 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.000 to be in a position where in order to come up with a practice, 487 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:21.920 If you're reaching to come up with a practical explanation for something, then you 488 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.920 can be like, oh, okay, this is paranormal. Like Brandon says, 489 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:29.960 if it's not normal, it's it's paranormal. So if if you're showing 490 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.559 this to people who are experts in the usage of this equipment or people who 491 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:39.519 are experts in their respective fields and they're kind of left grabbing at straws to 492 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.039 how to explain something, You're like, all right, we got something special. 493 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.480 On our hands here, and we've been fortunate enough to be in that 494 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:52.480 position quite a few times. So I want to dive into texture in just 495 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.719 a second. One I want to I want to expand on the camera specifically. 496 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.360 Is this a consumer grade camera? Is this something that's built for you 497 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.159 and your team or with the doctors you work with. And if it isn't 498 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.199 a consumer grade camera, what parameters are you guys taking to ensure that there 499 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:13.960 is no external stimulants that may be pushing this camera to give these photon events 500 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.599 more direct evidence. And again we'll get into it with the like said, 501 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.920 the equipment side of things, I'm very critical about paranormal equipment. I will 502 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.519 spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to buy the stuff, taking apart 503 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:30.039 and explain why it works or doesn't work. So this photon camera that I 504 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.679 want to know a where did that come from? How did you guys acquire 505 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.679 this style of investigation? But also what steps are you doing consistently for a 506 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.599 camera like that that's so out of the norm to ensure that it is calibrated 507 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.840 properly and it's working and it's intended use before anyone answers that can I just 508 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:52.639 say one small boring science saying about how the camera works. Yes, so 509 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:58.559 normally when you with a camera with an imaging sensor, you have the light, 510 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:04.280 which for these purposes, I think we can we can equate photons with 511 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:08.199 light light particles, even though it's not that simple. But they go onto 512 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:15.920 the sensor and they move. They energize electrons, which are you know, 513 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.000 those are the only two particles I'm going to mention, I promise, So 514 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.119 if you're listening and you're like, I'm not going to do this today, 515 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.880 only two because I also hate it. But so those those electrons move and 516 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:34.440 then they basically map out the picture that was taken. So with these EMCCD 517 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.519 cameras, the photons go in, the electrons move, and then they are 518 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:43.440 charged. They are electrified before they map out the picture. So it's amplifying 519 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:49.039 that light. It's amplifying those photo electrons, which is the photoelectric effect and 520 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.400 you can google it, but basically photons hit electrons, it makes them move. 521 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.440 So that's how it amplifies it to the point where it's used in like 522 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.239 the medical field and in a stre me and all that type of stuff. 523 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:05.920 So that's what I love about this camera because most things that we use in 524 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:08.480 the field have like ir light or things that penetrate, and this is just 525 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:13.360 kind of soaking up the environment, which is why it's so exciting to me. 526 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.119 So I just wanted to put that in there. You know, it's 527 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.119 funny like so, going by everything you just said, it was brilliant by 528 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.320 the way, it was awesome. But going back to the question, so 529 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.119 we were given this camera by one of our scientific consultants that we worked with 530 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.000 for a number of years out of Texas, and he's used it specifically for 531 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:35.079 astronomy. That's what he's utilized it for. And when he gave us this 532 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.719 piece of equipment, he said, pointed at the sky, and I was 533 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.599 like, Okay, that's not really the purpose. While we're getting which I 534 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.880 have not yet to do that yet. We've used it outside in graveyards in 535 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.679 places where there's been eyewitness testimony, but I've never actually pointed it up at 536 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.280 the sky. And that's one of the purposes. He's used it for many 537 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.840 years and he's captured a lot of things that he can't explain. He's using 538 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.079 it for scientific research purposes, but he's gotten stuff just in the sky that 539 00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.960 he can't explain he's sent me clips before. There's just mind blowing stuff, 540 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.400 which some of it's kind of similar to stuff we've captured before mist Office, 541 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.119 specifically at Octagon Hall in the enslaved people's cemetery, very similar looking things, 542 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.320 but I mean just pointing straight up at the stars. But again, like 543 00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.079 you said, it's soaking up the environment. That's why it's such an important 544 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:29.960 factor to try and control that environment as much as possible when we're utilizing the 545 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.360 camera. Like I said earlier, with like the Louisville bourbon in and that 546 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:38.280 specific scenario with that staircase where you were literally monitoring the same live and you 547 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.159 can see the different pools of light that are coming in from different sources, 548 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.960 and you can just it all encompasses everything in the image where you can tell 549 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.079 what is coming from, what's right, and that's when we have these moments 550 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:59.119 where these photonic events manifest and show up and are put through the sensor and 551 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.679 recorded that are just kind of mind blowing and sometimes even to the fact where 552 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.760 we ask for it to happen and it's actually happened before. So it's it's 553 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:12.800 mind blowing stuff. But again, doctor Clark can speak to it in a 554 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.920 way more scientific nature and really break it down. But that was a great 555 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.840 explanation everything you just said. But again going back to controlling the environment, 556 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.199 very important with that sensitive piece of equipment. And again there's been some stuff 557 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:29.599 we just simply can't can't explain it at all. Very cool. So I 558 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.800 want to discuss now gimmicks versus features when it comes to para equipment because a 559 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:40.000 very unexpected byproduct with the rise of the need for paranormal entertainment and the popularity 560 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.480 in this field has been everyone and their sister suddenly has an engineering degree and 561 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:52.480 they can create these devices that detect ghostspun So Eric, you know, Eric 562 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.079 and I had a great conversation at the Thomas house when we went through all 563 00:40:55.079 --> 00:41:00.280 of his equipment and we had an in depth discussion about why I don't trust 564 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.360 certain pieces of equipment. Again, I'll buy this stuff to take it apart 565 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.880 and never use it again. Like and I'm just gonna throw this out there 566 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.280 because I can say this publicly. The hufbox is a great explanation of a 567 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.119 gimmick versus a feature written piece of equipment. How are you guys? And 568 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.039 Tyler, you as well, we had this discussion we did Fantom Farm. 569 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.840 What equipment we were actually going to share how everyone in this group, how 570 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.360 are you approaching the equipment that you're using and you're bringing in one film and 571 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.039 you're utilizing to collect what maybe evidence of life after death? Because again, 572 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.000 we're extremely critical about these types of things, and I want to know every 573 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.079 new spirit box. I want to take it apart. Is there a repeater 574 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.280 in there? Can I put an SD card? Is there anything I can 575 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.760 do to influence this to give me quote unquote evidence Tyler to the rimpod. 576 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.360 We are extremely critical about the rimpod because we found six ways from Sunday to 577 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.519 set it off. It. We just can't trust that piece of equipment. 578 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.280 And that's one of the most universally accepted ones that you see on almost every 579 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.800 television show. And you don't know as someone standing behind the camera, at 580 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:59.880 camera operator or even outside the building pressing that button. This second Tyler ask 581 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:01.639 question, you don't really know. So I want to throw that out to 582 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:06.000 you guys. What is a what separates the two and what is a feature 583 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.519 that you have to have or you feel like it's an essential part of your 584 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:12.960 your tool kit as an investigator. Well, I can give a short answer 585 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:19.480 first and observing the way that that Gustaf and Brandon Eric. Sorry, I've 586 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.840 never seen you investigator or anything, so I can't comment on how on your 587 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.440 style, but I know that that Mustaf and Brandon have an approach that I 588 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:34.119 agree with where they use the EEDI the environmental detection instruments, and when something 589 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.679 happens, they're measuring multiple factors in the environment. So when those things line 590 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:43.280 up, that's much more compelling. There really is never one device that you 591 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.039 know. Your your EMS starts streaming, you don't know if it's a battery 592 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:50.280 issue or what's going on. I've we we both I think, have followed 593 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.960 EMF through a house to a furnace or something that's I don't understand that when 594 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:58.719 it's in Uh, there was a place I went that's surrounded by powerlines. 595 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.840 It's like it moves through and waves. If I'm not as educated an investigator, 596 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.159 then I think I'm following a ghost girl into the closet instead of just 597 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:12.880 this thing that's happening once every hour or so. I think it's just a 598 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:19.679 collection of things that have to spike when the door handle shakes or there's an 599 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.000 EVP or something like that. That's kind of the only way that it's going 600 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.480 to be compelling to someone else. Other than that it's just a personal journey. 601 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.239 Well, I can say with Eric in particular, when we went to 602 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.920 Thomas House, he very rarely had any piece of equipment that we didn't put 603 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.079 in your hands when it came to actually investigating. So I know Bob wanted 604 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.599 to say something, then we'll pass it on. Well, basically, so 605 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:44.519 for Tyler, it needs to be coupled with an external stimulant and an internal 606 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.480 internal being. The environmental factor, whether it be EMF you're following, or 607 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.239 barometric pressure change. I'm still on team bring back barometers. Every investigating team 608 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.960 should have a damned giant barometer they carry around with them at all times. 609 00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.920 Brandon and Mustafa correct me if I'm wrong. Does the EEDI have a brom 610 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.320 are in it? Yep, it does. It's like like we always talk 611 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.760 about the Swiss Army Knife of the paranormals, what that is and the guys 612 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.159 that actually created that device. We're not paranormal people, you know. They're 613 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:15.440 actually really brilliant engineers that put together a very specific device that in reality every 614 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.079 paranormal investigator should be using. I think that if you're going to be a 615 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.679 ghost hunter or paramal enthusiast orn investigator, that's the device you should have right 616 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:29.840 there, because not only you documenting everything from barometric pressure to temperature, humidity, 617 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.320 EMF, vibration, but you're also collecting that data and recording it to 618 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.760 an SD card and able to actually chart that and graph it out, which 619 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.079 is really cool. So that's something we're always using in conjunction with say the 620 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:46.000 EMCCD camera because going back to the photon events, we've noticed that when we're 621 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.039 seeing these photonic events happen, we're seeing drastic changes in barometric pressure, right 622 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.440 which is another interesting angle in that whole PARAMORL photon theory we've been talking about. 623 00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.800 But also one thing we've added in the last couple of seasons is outside 624 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:06.119 of using the EEDI Plus with the mcc camera, we're also using devices from 625 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.719 Kestral who Kevin Audio, our field investigator, reached out to the National Weather 626 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:15.920 Service and they directly gave us this equipment to monitor all the environmental conditions in 627 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:22.880 a location, everything from windspeed to barometric pressure, humidity, temperature, magnetic 628 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.840 compass, all these things that they use in the field with the National Weather 629 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.440 Service that we have adapted into our research now that's used in conjunction with the 630 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:37.239 EEDI plus and say the MCCD camera, and we're trying to correlate all those 631 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.360 devices together, and we were very lucky with the last couple investigations we did 632 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:46.639 to have all three of those devices correlate together at the exact moment, from 633 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.920 the visual anomaly with a photon event to the magnetic compass changing on the Kestral 634 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.639 device ten degrees and having very much pressure change on the VII plus, which 635 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:04.280 was a pretty crazy moment. What is the kestral device measuring? It's all 636 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.400 kinds of stuff right in the stuff It's it's pretty wild. And what's great 637 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.159 about it too, is not only are you data logging all that information, 638 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.920 but you're also able to monitor in real time. Be an app a really 639 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.639 nice application they put together. But again, everything from windspeed to direction, 640 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.719 a magnetic compass, a parametric pressure, I mean, everything you can imagine. 641 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.719 The National Weather Service is documented at any given time. It's literally all 642 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.440 there and giving you real time data. So that'll also be helpful for ruling 643 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.760 out you know, weather and temperature changes that would change the pressure at that 644 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.239 time, which is always something that I hear that I was probably just getting 645 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:45.400 cold. In another interesting thing, we don't really rely on em very often. 646 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:52.760 We more utilize em say like a tri field meter to rule out the 647 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:58.760 natural electromagnetic frequencies in a location. That's when we're typically using it. I 648 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:04.000 think there's been a few times we've had things happen with EMF that just couldn't 649 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.760 be explained, one of which was at a jail with doctor Klore where being 650 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.239 in those jail cells, it was essentially a Faraday cage right in an area 651 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.360 that does not have any electricity, no outlets, anything like that, and 652 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:22.480 you're in a perfect fair Day cage. And we had some responses with it. 653 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.920 But again with the Kestral device and that magnetic compass that's on there, 654 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.239 that to me is a more credible way to try and document any EMAP anomalies. 655 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:37.880 Like going back to utilizing a compass, just a standard compass for magnetic 656 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.079 fields. It's very similar, but in a digital sense, and we had 657 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.800 a moment with that that to me, that was credible EMF data more so 658 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:51.239 than utilizing say like you know, rimpod or whatever the hell people are using. 659 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.639 So I think it's just again utilizing technology from other technical industries, talking 660 00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.440 to these people that utilize that in their professional fields day in and day out, 661 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:02.239 and for them to you know, allow us to use this equipment, 662 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.440 and then for us to document things and send them that data. That just 663 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:12.360 takes it a step further for sure. Yeah. So for me with equipment, 664 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.480 I am very low tech. I don't I don't do EMF meters. 665 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:21.519 I hate rampods. EMF meeters were brought into the field originally to rule out, 666 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.159 like Brandon was saying, rule out unshieldreed wiring and houses and things like 667 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:29.239 that. And I've even been on a private investigation where they were seeing operations 668 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:34.039 and things in their house and their wireless modem because the ladies husband was a 669 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.400 big gamer, so they had a really fast internet connection to this crazy wireless 670 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.639 modem that was given off fifteen hundred milligals. Well, that's going to cause 671 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:44.719 anybody hallucinate to hear things, see things if you're especially if you're sensitive to 672 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.079 to E m F. And that's scientifically proven in facts that high ems. 673 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.119 You can look up to God experiment the God helmet experiment and things like that. 674 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.800 But and then as far as like rampods, rimpods, I mean, 675 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.840 any powerful radio will set them off. You can have a walkie talkie key 676 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.119 it up. And I showed this to everybody that comes on public investigations with 677 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.559 us when we sell tickets. That's all it takes. But also, even 678 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.639 if you don't have a walkie talkie, who's to say that the trucker down 679 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.559 the street has a you know, driving by on the interstate, doesn't have 680 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:20.320 a really powerful CB radio that's setting it off, and you know things like 681 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.440 that, So you you can't control those outside factors with with equipment like that. 682 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.840 I'm just big on video. I have a flee your thermal camera. 683 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.400 I guess on my cell phone that that works really really well that we've got 684 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:39.320 some anomalies with. So yeah, just video audio and and uh I do 685 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:45.280 I do like the s's method. We've gotten some crazy experiences out of that. 686 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:51.079 Now was it paranormal? I don't know, but we've just gotten some 687 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.800 really cool answers and things that people wouldn't know and things that we didn't even 688 00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.440 know that we've gotten about locations. But yeah, as far as apps and 689 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.079 and other uses equipment. I may use a motion detector every once in a 690 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:08.760 while, but the things that I use they're not made by anybody that's in 691 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.400 the paranormal. I mean, the motion detector is something that I ordered off 692 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.800 Amazon. That's just a motion detector, like you know, so there's no 693 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.599 there's nothing in there that's you know, hacked or or made to get false 694 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.679 positives and things like that. Not saying a motion detector can't. But you 695 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.519 know, for the most part, you break that beam, it's gonna go 696 00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.840 off. It's very simple device. But yeah, I don't I don't like 697 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.400 gadgets in that way that they're they're fallible, and especially the ones that are 698 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:37.360 like you know, ghost Tube, ghost Pro. Everything's fucking ghosts something and 699 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:38.880 it's just ridiculous. It's you know, well that's how you know it's for 700 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:50.360 ghosts. Just buying hardware to fix a house or something. Oh my goddamn 701 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.119 brain. I do want to jump in because it's important. This is for 702 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:59.159 everyone's audience. No app works, stop using them. I'm not gonna I'm 703 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:00.599 not gonna carry you. I don't need to argue with this. I okay, 704 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:07.840 you just killed half of the YouTube paranormal content streaming. I don't know 705 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:14.559 what you're but my thing is with with paranormal apps, we've we've proven them 706 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.079 wrong six ways from Sunday. I can't even I can't even approach that discussion 707 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.960 because I've seen this way too often. I was like, yeah, I 708 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.719 had this happen on my app, and then my hair stood up on the 709 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.639 back of my neck. I definitely got molested by a ghost. No, 710 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:30.719 you fucking didn't. That never happened. You're you're you're grasping at straws. 711 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.320 So I do want to quick kind of throw it over toward the sponsor of 712 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.440 the show, the Tennessee Hawnson Legends Expo, Eric, can you walk us 713 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.280 through everything with the Tennessee Hawnson Legends because it's our first expo and you know 714 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:45.280 firsthand getting me out of Ohio it's it's that's an impossible task. I don't 715 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:46.960 do events. In the fact that you got me there. You got me 716 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:51.039 on my first live investigation that I did with anybody else was with you. 717 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.800 And again it's that silky smooth radio voice, it really is. I can't 718 00:51:54.840 --> 00:52:00.199 say no spelling. So tell us about the expo. Yeah, well you're 719 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.639 not, You're not the only one. I'm very honored that Brandon agreed to 720 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.719 do the expo also because he does he's not one to do conventions and things, 721 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.280 and and I'm grateful to him and must offer for a greening to do 722 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:15.039 the expo. But yeah, we have some great speakers. That's coming to 723 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.800 the Nashville Fairgrounds in Nashville, Tennessee on October twenty feet and uh, it's 724 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.400 the first big expo that we've done, but it's called Tennessee Hanson Legends Expo. 725 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.840 Tickets are just for the general public or ten dollars and then twelve and 726 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.559 hundreds free. All of the proceeds are going to two separate charities. One 727 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:36.000 is a hanted astoric location called Trousdale Place in Gallatin, Tennessee, and the 728 00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.320 other half of the proceeds will go to the Animal Rescue Corps. And what 729 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:43.079 they do is they break up puppy mills. So they'll go out to Bumfuck 730 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.000 County, Tennessee, where they don't have animal control and the sheriffs department things 731 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.840 can't afford to break up these puppy mills, and they go out and give 732 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:57.079 them the the volunteers and the money to break up these puppy meals and they 733 00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.519 actually put the dogs and the and the cats and to into no kill shelters 734 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:05.519 with natural Humanist, big big partner, THEIRS, but they're kind of all 735 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.079 over the southeast. And so two great charities. Trousville plays. It's a 736 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:14.920 historic location, has a great history, and of course like any other location, 737 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.280 they're nonprofit. Any other historical location, they're nonprofit. They live off 738 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.239 of you know, five dollars tours coming in the door, and you know 739 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.679 they have upkeep. You know, a storm comes through and blows a tree 740 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.440 down on a property, they have to pay somebody to clean it up or 741 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.199 they've fixed the foundation. That's one of the issues they're having right now. 742 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.760 And so yeah, I just keeps that history alive and help them with the 743 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.599 animals. And we have a great day of speakers, the whole speaker lineup. 744 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:45.440 Brandon Mustafa will will be our key speakers that day. They have an 745 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.079 hour to get up and talk about what they do and talking about how discoveries 746 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.039 and things like that. And then also Tyler, Bob and Britney will be 747 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.440 there. You're gonna have a Bob and Brittany. You' are gonna have the 748 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.960 Tails from the Dark booth, and you also have a Missing Person Mysteries booth 749 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.880 as well. Yep. And we're gonna do a screening of Phantom Farm documentary, 750 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.559 and then we're gonna follow that up with a panel of all of y'all 751 00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:12.719 up there talking to the audience about the film and and answering questions and things. 752 00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.719 Who We're definitely excited. Like I said, it's it's it's for a 753 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:22.039 great cause and it's with great people. I'm very I'm very excited. I'm 754 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:23.840 excited about I'm also against a lot of the conventions that are out there because 755 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.480 it's it's a clear money grab. Yeah, and I hate to say it 756 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.400 there against you too. Yeah, well that's trying to check your money, 757 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.440 you know. But when when you you know, when you brought this to 758 00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:35.519 us, it's for a good cause. We'd like to have you guys down. 759 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:37.760 First off, we can't tell Eric, no, we really can't. 760 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.719 We all need a band together, everyone in this call and figure out what 761 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.679 kind of juju Eric has over us. All right, Yeah, look, 762 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.119 I'm just what you see is what you get, whether you talk to me 763 00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:51.079 on the phone, online, on the podcast, in person. I'm the 764 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:52.840 same exact fucking person, no matter when you see me, when you talk 765 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:59.320 to me, I'm just okay, Satan, I've heard this before. We 766 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:07.960 don't see camera are effigies of us. The mine is just a stretch arms 767 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:15.320 drawing. I do want to talk to you guys. What are your guys 768 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:20.559 as pet peeves and the paranormal not just necessarily television documentaries, but the paranormal 769 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:25.559 community because it is weird. People have like these little camps of like everything's 770 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.960 a demon, and if you say it's not a demon, you're not a 771 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.800 real investigator. And then there's a bunch of like weird I'll die on this 772 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:36.559 hill paranormal stances. I don't that I don't really understand from me, But 773 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.440 my biggest pet peeve has to just be there has to be this hyper masculine, 774 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:44.199 macho face of every group that has to say I'm here, this is 775 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:46.920 my group, I'm in charge. I'm gonna bend this ghost over. That's 776 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:51.639 my biggest pet peeve. That There's what I've been railing about on my show 777 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.719 the whole fucking three years I've had my show, is there's no diversity in 778 00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:00.840 the paranormal, especially paranormal TV. There is diversity. Paranormal is not represented 779 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:05.639 on TV. It's it's it tends to be a bro culture wearing fucking affliction 780 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:10.639 t shirts and every episode, fuck him, fuck him. I wish you 781 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:15.039 would pick a fight with me. It'd be good for my brand. But 782 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.159 but yeah, it's just ridiculous. Like you know, it takes all of 783 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.440 us to try to figure this out, and and to see even these even 784 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:29.039 really large paranormal podcasts that have been on that have been out for years, 785 00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:32.239 that have nothing but men on his guest and then maybe twice a year they 786 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:36.599 have a woman on and it's just ridiculous. And whether they do that on 787 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:43.400 purpose or or subconsciously. And I really didn't realize until I started booking guests 788 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:47.119 and I started giving comments about from people in reviews and things that one of 789 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.239 the reason they liked my show is because I talked to everybody, not just 790 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:55.119 a bunch of bro culture men. And you know, I have groups with 791 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:59.039 all women and things like that, not to two mind horn, but I 792 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:00.920 just want to talk to everybody. It wasn't even something I consciously did. 793 00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:06.119 It's not something I constantly do now. I just book everybody. But to 794 00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:08.000 see some of the bigger podcasts. It just made me realize, yeah, 795 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:13.880 they do, you know, but just that hyper masculine culture bullshit, because 796 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.960 like I said, it takes all of us in this field too to figure 797 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:21.280 this out, and it's not just one group or another. The other thing 798 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.199 that I could talk about is is religion in the paranormal field period, because 799 00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:27.719 that's where you get the demon ship from, is looking at it from a 800 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.239 religious standpoint and Rose Cutter glasses there. But I won't get on that soap 801 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.719 box. Well, no, no, I wanted to write a book that 802 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.159 I was going to call the Separation Separation of Church and Ghosts because because I 803 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:38.159 completely agree with you. And then the other thing. I don't know if 804 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:44.960 you guys have watched The Little Rascals, but the terrifying film. Current paranormal 805 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.440 culture is very much like the The He Man Woman Haters Club, and you 806 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:52.679 see that way too often, and it's very bizarre because like I often consider, 807 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.199 you know, I'm the co host of the show and Brittany, you 808 00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:59.880 know, runs everything without Brittany Tellsman Dark doesn't exist, Fantom Farm didn't happen. 809 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.000 That's the way that I approach all of these conversations and I want to 810 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.159 expand this to Brandon and Mustaffa as well, because I sure, I'm sure 811 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.159 you guys see this in a different way, and I guess Tyler could be 812 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:12.480 included. Well, if I could say one quick thing, I think it's 813 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.719 I try not to judge what everyone's doing, how they investigate or whatever, 814 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:22.000 because I don't think it's I think it's a symptom of a barrier to entry, 815 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.800 because the real way to do it, the way that Brandon and Mustafa 816 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.400 do it, it's not that like fun like a you know, you're not 817 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.360 gonna you're not gung ho about, You're not in there for the jump scares. 818 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.599 It's not like a horror movie, right, And it's so scientific. 819 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.679 As someone who I guarantee watches more paranormal content than anybody here. It's a 820 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:45.039 problem, it is, But but most of the time I'm just you know, 821 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:46.239 this is what not to do. This is what I'd rather do. 822 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:51.760 A lot of the paranormal YouTubers they do two things. It's rampods and turn 823 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.320 on their apps, and their apps will tell the story and they see, 824 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.760 oh that person's doing it. It's working, So I'm going to do it. 825 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.920 I think if we can, and this is why I see such a 826 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:05.199 bright light and like Haunted Discoveries and all these things, is if we can 827 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.519 simplify that or make it approachable to where people can start doing it on YouTube 828 00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:14.000 and have this kind of formula to follow. It's it's never that simple, 829 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.920 but I think it's a it's a trend thing and a barrier to entry thing. 830 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.320 So we have people that are doing the easiest thing, and yeah, 831 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:27.519 it's not it's there's not really a simple solution to it, but it's tricky, 832 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.000 it's work. I think that we went from as a culture, especially 833 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:37.800 when the paranormal went from Okay, the journey is the point to now the 834 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.920 destination is the point. So let's get it to the fucking destination as quick 835 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:45.199 as we can. To hell with the journey to get there. I always 836 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:50.000 think that the journey in the paranormal films that I like documentaries and things and 837 00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.079 YouTube channels, it's it's always the ones that like small town monsters that are 838 00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:59.239 documenting documenting, not just the evidence they caught or the investigation. It's it's 839 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:04.760 all about how they got there to begin with. That I find more fascinating 840 01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.840 anything and I think that's what brendanm. Stoffer doing as well with Hunt of 841 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.199 Discoveries. It's okay, we have a journey to getting to the investigation and 842 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.960 the evidence and things, but we need to understand the history, the lineage, 843 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.599 all these other factors we need to understand about this location before we ever 844 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:23.239 get to you know, the payoff, which is you know, the paranormal. 845 01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.840 I guess when people watch the shows. But yeah, I think a 846 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:30.000 lot of those shows have have and and people on YouTube, they just get 847 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.320 straight to the to the destination and the hell of the journey because that's what 848 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:38.000 people want to hear and see. Yeah, I mean, I mean first 849 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:43.559 we have to just discuss the girls have COVID bees. I think that's all 850 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:52.840 right, listen, Well that's I think. No, I think a lot 851 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:57.960 of it just has to do about like you were saying, Eric is it's 852 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:02.880 it's the work. I think, as long as you're focusing on a methodology 853 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:09.440 and the work that you're doing. And I think Brandon would agree on this, 854 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:13.840 is that, like you know who we work with and collaborate with, 855 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:16.159 and we've had guests, investigators, and we brought people in on Haunt of 856 01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:22.360 Discoveries and who we work with. I mean it's we don't really care like 857 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:30.760 about any kind of agenda, whether it's in terms of optics or anything like 858 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.199 that. All we really kind of care about is the work. I think. 859 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.079 And then and then you have shows like you know, Kesha's Paranormal Show 860 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:42.239 or Demilovado like you know, Singing the Ghosts or whatever, and then it's 861 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.000 just like, hey, hey, hey, look at this, we got 862 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:46.559 this diversity. Check this out. And then it's like okay, but you're 863 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:51.840 still using mpods and your methodology is crap. So then it's just like and 864 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:57.039 then you can't say it's bad because then you're not progressive. But it's like 865 01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.360 it doesn't change. No, I'll say, I'll say it right now. 866 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:07.039 It is like, yeah, it's so I do think, yeah, I 867 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.519 do whatever. I man, I cancel myself on a daily basis. But 868 01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.519 I think I think it's just it's it's really important to highlight like, you 869 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.840 know, the efforts that people are doing or a really really interesting new approach. 870 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.519 A lot of times with like I think that hypermasculinity and all that other 871 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.199 stuff that you know people are getting upset about is that you know, Ghosts 872 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.880 Adventures is a very very very very popular show Baggan's is a very very very 873 01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:36.920 popular brand. So then people are going to go and try to replicate that. 874 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.000 I mean, the Barbie movie made a billion dollars and then now they're 875 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:43.119 already going to make a Polly Pocket movie or like whatever, and it's like 876 01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:45.360 who cares? Like you know, just as like an example in the entertainment 877 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:52.519 sphere. But again, methodology, the work, the journey of getting to 878 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:58.960 that methodology and explaining it and really applying it in interesting and intriguing ways in 879 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:04.920 a in a situation, location case. Any of that I think can not 880 01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:12.159 only be gratifying and informative, but it can also be scary, because Brandon 881 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.400 I say this, all time science is scary, like when when when you 882 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:21.920 when you can rule out any possibility of this, having a practical explanation and 883 01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:23.800 going through that, and then if you show things that are you know, 884 01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.880 oh, we've we've debunked this, we've debunked that, and then you come 885 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:32.280 across something that you truly cannot explain. With a group of people from all 886 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:36.679 walks of life, from all parts of the country and in some cases the 887 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:40.199 world, working together to be like, hey, we're working towards this thing, 888 01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:45.480 to run towards this common goal. Like that's the stuff that like every 889 01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:50.199 cool like video game RPG you grew up playing, was about every movie. 890 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.840 It's like, you know, the Goonies, but in real life. And 891 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.960 it's a really, really kind of beautiful thing when you can when you can 892 01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.920 touch that, even if just for a little bit. And yeah, if 893 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:05.519 you're doing good work and focusing on that, that trumps everything else because then 894 01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:10.480 everything else is just you know, it's just sprinkles on top and it's all 895 01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:15.199 sprinkles, but the cake sucks. So make a good cake, which is 896 01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.320 your work, and then the rest will fall into place, you know. 897 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:21.280 I think to add to that, one thing that I don't think a lot 898 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:28.400 of parallel investigators think about is filmmaking skills. And it makes a big difference 899 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:31.800 when you're you know, you could have good investigators that have horrible audio, 900 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.320 the winds beating on the mic and you can't hear anything they're doing or saying. 901 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.760 If you want to capture you have to learn to capture that magic at 902 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:44.360 some level. There are so many YouTube videos I watch where they just blind 903 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:49.519 the tour guide or the docent with a light and film them talking for a 904 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:53.679 two hour tour or something, and then they start their investigation where they set 905 01:04:53.679 --> 01:05:00.679 their rimpot down and run around some structure would really help to highlight these investigators 906 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.000 who are probably more focused on their technique, rightfully so, because they have 907 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:08.000 so much work to do. But if there could be a balance of some 908 01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.920 filmmaking skill that could make it more appealing to a mass audience. No, 909 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:14.760 I want to jump in on that because I do think that mustaphic you outline 910 01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:18.880 something that's vitally important that people understand. There's a difference between personality and brand, 911 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:23.400 and I feel like that gets lost in translation when you go through the 912 01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:28.119 editing process and what have you, and you have people who consistently don't grasp 913 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.519 that who they show on screen is not always who they are as a person. 914 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:35.639 And so you have a ton of investigators attempting to mimic what they're seeing 915 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:41.199 consistently on television, and I think that can be equally damaging because they don't 916 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:45.760 understand that it wasn't like that day one they had to work into said brand 917 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:48.360 and so picking up where they left off, which again we talked about that 918 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:53.079 on the show here all the time. It's really important to leave your investigation 919 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.440 in your research and a point that someone can pick it up and continue. 920 01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:59.079 You have to also pay omage and respect of what got you to that point 921 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.039 in the first place. I know, I got Brandon and Britney, So 922 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:04.199 to go in your guys's pet peeves, I want to hear Britney specifically, 923 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:12.440 Oh God, Brittany or Brandon and go Brandon, You're good, you can 924 01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.280 go first. Well, I mean again, I just to piggyback off what 925 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.199 everyone was saying. I mean, you guys kind of hit the nail on 926 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:20.920 the head with all of it. But again, it's methodology man for me, 927 01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:28.079 and a lot of times to seeing these people go into these very tragic 928 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:34.599 historical situations and hijack, hijack that person's storyline and make that storyline their own 929 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:39.119 in a way. That's a big pet peeve of mind is that sometimes these 930 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.079 stories are just not ours to tell in any way, shape or form, 931 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:46.000 right, And it's always kind of sad to see certain investigators or filmmakers whoever 932 01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:54.079 maybe kind of spin a very tragic storyline into something that is kind of about 933 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:57.079 them. So that's always tough to see. So I think That's one of 934 01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.599 my biggest pet peeves is like, just you know, sometimes the stories aren't 935 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:04.320 ours to tell. Be factual, be accurate, and let people decide for 936 01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:09.119 themselves. Don't make it about you, right, Yeah, there's a lot 937 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:13.960 of exploitation of tragedy. I think people just don't see it because they're so 938 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.239 concerned with having a cool story. It's like the more horrible it is, 939 01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:18.760 the cooler it is. And that's just I don't know if it's a youth 940 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:24.320 thing or what, but it's not preserving history. That's the issue. So 941 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:29.000 coming from my perspective, and it comes to parent noormal. I started relatively 942 01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:32.159 recently three years ago with Tales from the Dark. I grew up in the 943 01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:38.360 South, and I grew up with the belief of ghosts exists, and I 944 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:42.519 grew up in a Baptist home, So you know, my theory of ghosts 945 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:46.960 was that it was maybe stuck in between or it was just remnants of what 946 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:51.239 was before. So I grew up believing, and then as I got older, 947 01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:55.079 I stopped believing. And then once I got into Tales from the Dark, 948 01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:05.239 I relearned and kind of change from all these uh basically parallels euphanisms I've 949 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:13.039 had in my head. Thank you of what paranormal was. As a woman 950 01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.760 in the field, I do not feel like I feel like I've been very, 951 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:20.880 very lucky because I don't feel like people exclude me because of my gender 952 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:25.359 or what have you. I feel one with the team, especially with our 953 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:29.640 team for freedom Form. I never felt excluded at all, and I felt 954 01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.359 like I've never liked you. But okay, well, you know what I 955 01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:35.199 was going to ask. Is it because the tyler wears as tight of jeans 956 01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:39.560 as you do. It's tighter jeans. Actually, they're tighter. They're tighter. 957 01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:43.760 Yeah, he buys them from hot topic. It's fine, No, 958 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:48.239 But on a real note, I feel like it's I have been valued as 959 01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:55.159 a woman, and I have been valued as coming from a scientific background really 960 01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.560 to for what I bring to the table. I don't feel like I have 961 01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:03.600 been targeted or put down because of that. And I know the hyper masculine 962 01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:09.039 has been a huge issue even growing up watching Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures. 963 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.960 I mean it's it's been ghost Hunters not so much, but Ghost Adventures especially 964 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.880 has been very, uh hyper masculine for a very long time. So I 965 01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:21.039 agree with you guys that it is an issue, but I will personally say 966 01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:25.760 I've not seen it myself. Now, Tyler's getting redder and redder because you 967 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:29.800 are insulting his pair of idol over here. I know it's his Lord and 968 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:31.159 Savior. He's gonna flip, He's gonna flip the studio to ask and run 969 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:33.279 out here a second. I'm just waiting for it. Well, we've been 970 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:38.039 over this many times, but I shouldn't waste time on it. But the 971 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:44.399 most entertaining show probably Zach begins an entertainer and it stops there. All right, 972 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:49.520 Anyways, I have some sorry, go ahead. Part of the part 973 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:53.439 of the problem is there's so many people that don't take that show is just 974 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:57.720 entertainment. That is the problem that that's part of the problem is that you 975 01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.239 have so many people out there emulating that show. And that's why everything on 976 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.399 YouTube is demons, because that's what's selling right now on TV and it's all 977 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:09.680 about fucking ratings and that shit. And we'll get into the satanic panic here 978 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:12.920 soon, which kind of goes hand in hand with everything's a demon. So, 979 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:15.439 but what were you gonna say, Tyler? Well, I wanted to 980 01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:21.720 ask Brandon mustaff about a couple episodes of ghost Hunters they did. One was 981 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:30.479 the Cape Gerard am I saying that right, GERARDU Missouri yep, mustaff. 982 01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.159 You had a scratch on that one, I believe, and I thought it 983 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:40.000 looked interesting. It was so with Okay, so we we did Fantom Farm 984 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.199 and we got a much evidence. Seems like the longer we're away from it, 985 01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:45.399 the more things we can think of to explain away certain problems or we 986 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:48.920 should have done those should and that. With the scratch, it almost didn't 987 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:53.079 even look like you're maybe I was seeing it wrong. Your skin wasn't raised, 988 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.560 it was like indented. And I'm just wondering, I mean, because 989 01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:59.760 that's a pretty big deal. I've never had anything like that happened to me. 990 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.079 Be totally crazy. What what are your thoughts about that now being so 991 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:09.800 far removed from it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, what wasn't shown 992 01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:15.800 in the episode was just my I was really really incredulous about the whole thing. 993 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.960 Like I was kind of laughing because I thought, you know, I've 994 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:23.760 seen the shows where people gotten scratched or people have talked about it, and 995 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.520 my arm kind of just felt like I got stung by a jellyfish, Like 996 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.960 it was just very very weird. And then I looked down on it and 997 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:32.039 I almost didn't even want to bring it up because I'm just like, I 998 01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:36.960 don't want to like waste time and resources on this thing if it's just like 999 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:42.079 some weird reaction I'm having. But I'm like, I should, I should. 1000 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:45.159 And then to me, I honestly believe it had a lot to do 1001 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.399 with the fact that I was taking a little bit I think of of an 1002 01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:56.039 aggressive stance. You know, the people they lost that the family there, 1003 01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:00.399 and that home, they lost their home under a very very tragic series of 1004 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:05.079 circumstances. And me personally, I felt really guilty about that because you know, 1005 01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:09.319 my family when we were growing up, we lost our house and uh, 1006 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:12.359 and it's still not something that I've like, I don't think I'll ever 1007 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.159 get over it. It's just like kind of like like you know, PTSD 1008 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:17.479 or whatever, like when I think about it, and it's really bad. 1009 01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:20.840 So for me, I kind of felt guilty by like bringing that up. 1010 01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:28.560 But yeah, I definitely I don't know. I can't explain it. I 1011 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:33.359 don't know what happened. I'm I wouldn't have brought it up if I thought 1012 01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:39.079 there was any kind of practical explanation for it. So and and I actually 1013 01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:43.600 had more when I went back to my hotel room and then you know, 1014 01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:46.760 I was, you know, all sweaty and Kate Gerardo and the muggiest weather 1015 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:49.880 possible. You know, I'm like peeling my closed off myself at the end 1016 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:54.560 of the night. And on my back there was a scratch. There were 1017 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:58.039 scratches, you know. And I didn't have any fun times with any you 1018 01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.840 know, weird goth chicks on the road, so that didn't that didn't really 1019 01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:05.840 explain that. So yeah, I just had these markings all over my back 1020 01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:11.000 too. So I don't I don't know. I don't know what it is. 1021 01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:15.239 I do know that Brandon experienced something similar when we were on the Discoveries 1022 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:18.800 and a place at bethlen We can be right, Brandon, Yeah, very 1023 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:24.079 similar situation, which was my first time ever experienced in something like that, 1024 01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:28.319 similar sensation like you mentioned, like it felt like a jellyfish sting on my 1025 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:31.000 back. And then I you and David, who are a cameraman, is 1026 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:35.439 completely a skeptic, doesn't believe in anything, But I think the show scared 1027 01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:38.600 the hell out of him, and he didn't come back for season three. 1028 01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:42.359 But anyways, we were there and I had a very similar thing, and 1029 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.319 it was, you know, there were scratches there. Whatever that is that, 1030 01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:49.279 I don't think it's some negative, demonic type thing in any way, 1031 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:54.920 shape or form. I don't know what the hell it was. But first 1032 01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:57.640 time I experienced it, I haven't experienced it since, so I have no 1033 01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.960 clue what the hell it is. So what does that do to your side? 1034 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:01.720 Is that like, is that the point where you're like, oh, 1035 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:08.840 it's all real or is it just another unexplained phenomenon. Well, for me, 1036 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:12.399 I thought to myself, maybe I scratched myself, like you know, 1037 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.960 you're putting your arm down and you do things unconsciously like that sometimes. But 1038 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:20.479 I was wearing gloves all night because it was gosh, almost what five degrees 1039 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.399 right in stopping there was no power in the house. No, Yeah, 1040 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.680 So for me, it wasn't really proof of anything. Maybe it was more 1041 01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.159 psychological than anything. I don't know. I don't know what it was. 1042 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:38.159 But to me, beyond the physical sensation of it, it didn't affect me 1043 01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:43.159 any other way or made me think twice about it being supernatural. I don't 1044 01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:45.960 know, it's it's hard to explain. I don't know. I do find 1045 01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:50.600 it hilarious, Mustafa that you kind of just summarized the entirety of what got 1046 01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:54.319 us to phantom for him. Yeah, we're all just we're all just eyeballing 1047 01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:57.560 each other. Hearing you say exactly, Yeah, it was like basically word 1048 01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.760 for word, they to the well for a and I'm like, is this 1049 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:04.439 guy just repeating tire welcome? You know I was welcome baby. Yeah. 1050 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:09.319 I was literally like this guy script, he's rereading the fun with us like 1051 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:12.680 that? Did you start repeating every line? Yeah? Because it was so 1052 01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.359 weird because Tyler, when you brought up some of you're like, hey, 1053 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:18.520 I know I already know, but what are your thoughts on this year's a 1054 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:21.039 video? But I know, and we had that, We had a pretty 1055 01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:26.840 explained that there was a fantom scratch and Phantom farm one of our investigators, 1056 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:32.319 and hearing you guys describe it was that's basically the exact psychological process that he 1057 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:36.840 went through. He didn't think it happened. He was just trying to play 1058 01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:41.399 it off and he was on the whole time. Now, his his scratches 1059 01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:45.920 only lasted about twenty to thirty minutes. Misstaff had did you notice did your 1060 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:50.119 disappear after a while or how long did they stay? Now they were there 1061 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:55.479 until the following morning. Wow, yeah, they were there for a few 1062 01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:58.960 hours. I would say they were there for at least like eight nine hours. 1063 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:04.880 Yeah, that sounds way worse than so I have one more, right, 1064 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:09.159 Yeah, that would be well, you know, that's that's what I 1065 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:12.319 thought. And then our fellow investigator, it really seemed to mess him up 1066 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:16.119 for probably a couple of weeks. I mean, I don't want to speak 1067 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:19.439 for him and his personal tragedies and stuff, but there was other things going 1068 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:24.680 on behind the scenes that kind of fed into that. But there is there 1069 01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:28.359 is one more episode that I thought was kind of crazy. Now we probably 1070 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:32.000 all remember the Saint Augustine Lighthouse ghost Hunter's episode from way back in the day 1071 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:39.000 with the shadow peeking over the stair way there. I always thought in a 1072 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:41.199 weird way that that looked like a cartoon. I was like, is that 1073 01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:45.119 a cartoon or is that what the phenomenon? It's like, it's almost like 1074 01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:47.359 what you would imagine seeing an aliens, like something you've never ever seen, 1075 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:50.640 can't comprehend and I'm like, is that what it looks like? Or is 1076 01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:56.560 that fake? And then I saw the hotel Hall's England, I think is 1077 01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.720 I think that's what it's called. And Hanes Alaska. For anyone who wants 1078 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:06.359 to watch it's season thirteen, episode five. If ye described didn't happen, 1079 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:11.680 like exactly what the frame, just watched the whole episode for context. And 1080 01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:15.640 also I didn't write that down. That episode just seems to be a hodgepodge 1081 01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:19.479 of activity. And there are these white I don't know if they're white misty 1082 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:25.760 forms, but they gave me the same vibe as that Sant Augustine Lighthouse shadow 1083 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.800 figure, and I'm just wondering, I can't imagine being there, like what 1084 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:33.319 the hell was that? Because it's so confusing to look at uh And if 1085 01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.640 you guys know which part I'm talking about, those kind of white figures coming 1086 01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:43.199 in, it literally like it translates pretty well on the episode. I mean 1087 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.439 the raw footage itself. I mean it literally looks like the scene from Beetlejuice 1088 01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:50.600 where they're wearing the white sheet. Right, it looks so like but it's 1089 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:56.239 cliche almost. It's it's just when we first saw that. I'll never forget 1090 01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:59.960 that. Masapa and I were in the hotel room and he's like, dude, 1091 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:01.279 if you got to see this, I was like, what the actual 1092 01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:05.119 fuck man like? And we knew what I mean, we know the environment 1093 01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:09.119 really well. I mean, obviously this thing was really translucent and transparent, 1094 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:13.119 which made it even stranger. But the audio data we collected as well up 1095 01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:17.199 in that area made it even even more interesting. But it's just I have 1096 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:19.920 no clue what it was, especially being on the body cam is what it 1097 01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:24.000 was collected on, and we have when we have those body cams, they 1098 01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:28.359 run all night continuously, like they don't turn on and off. So we 1099 01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:32.359 had this ridiculously long take and so it was it was really weird to see 1100 01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:35.960 it when we were actually analyzing it. But that was a strange moment. 1101 01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:39.319 I don't stop. It was up there with Daryl when that happened, and 1102 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:44.880 that was pretty damn weird, pretty damn weird. Yeah, it was so 1103 01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:50.119 one thing they didn't include in the episode because they just it was so so 1104 01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:57.119 strange and they just I guess the editing team at Pilgrim they didn't they couldn't 1105 01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.319 fit it in or they didn't know how to contextualize it or whatever the case 1106 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:06.840 was. But in the lead up to Daryl capturing that apparition on his body 1107 01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:13.520 cam, I started experiencing one of the claims for a few seconds that the 1108 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.920 guy with the interviewee that we talked about, you know, who had his 1109 01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:24.319 experiences up there where there was moments of temporary like paralysis, like I couldn't 1110 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:28.359 move my arms for a solid like five seconds, And if you can't move 1111 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:30.039 your arms for five seconds, that might as well be five years, because 1112 01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:32.840 you don't know if you're gonna be able to move your arms again. I 1113 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:36.640 just could not move my arms. And then finally, like when I was 1114 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:39.920 able to break him free, I'm like, what the hell was that? 1115 01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.479 And then Daryl's like what And I'm like, dude, like I couldn't, 1116 01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:45.159 like I couldn't move my arms, and he's like, yeah, I feel 1117 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:50.000 attention to my lower back. And then that's when we started getting hits on 1118 01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:56.159 the EDI of changes in barometric pressure. And then Darryl not once but twice 1119 01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:00.079 said that something charged him. So when we were going back to listen to 1120 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:03.920 the audio, the one bit of audio on the embisonic microphone that we picked 1121 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:09.079 up was a voice where it kind of sounds like somebody saying like it's me, 1122 01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:14.560 it's me. It's this guttural, kind of like almost comically evil voice 1123 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.279 you would hear in like a movie. But that same voice before Darryl says 1124 01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:23.399 I feel attention in my lower back, you hear that same voice say I 1125 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:26.600 feel attention to my lower back. And then it goes to Darryl saying I 1126 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:31.239 feel attention on my lower back. As if this thing or whatever it was, 1127 01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:35.039 predicted what he was going to say or influence what he was going to 1128 01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:39.760 say. I don't know, but it was just super super strange. And 1129 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:43.960 then something that they didn't put on camera because the film crew, I think 1130 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:47.520 they were doing a run with Kristen and Rachelle in another part of the property 1131 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:54.760 was we were in this one area and the stairwell right below that, and 1132 01:20:54.760 --> 01:21:00.560 then Darryl and then Brandon had the EMCCD camera set up and fleear thermal imaging 1133 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:08.560 camera and we captured very strange visual anomalies in that area, and we heard 1134 01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:14.359 footsteps coming down the stairs and then that same translucent figure. Because I was 1135 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:16.199 just recording stuff on my cell phone at that point, just in case we 1136 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:24.199 captured something. I saw that same translucent figure in the corner in this one 1137 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:29.319 room where things were like weird, that same translucent figure on my cell phone 1138 01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:31.880 camera footage, just chilling in a room. And then it was gone. 1139 01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:38.439 So that was a very very very weird, weird place. And I tell 1140 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:41.520 anybody like, hey, if you're ever good, if you're a paranormal investigator, 1141 01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:44.439 you want to go to Alaska, Like check that place out, because 1142 01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:47.039 there's something about that. I think the fourth floor of the Halls and Glenn 1143 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:54.399 Hotel and Haines, Alaska. That's it's creepy as hello four am and drop 1144 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:57.199 that down. Well, what's interesting is is Alaska in general. I give 1145 01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.560 it you in portlack Alaska, Port lack Alaska, big Foot, the there's 1146 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.680 a million UFO sidings of the triangle, the Alaska Triangle. There's no shortage 1147 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:08.399 of high strangeness in Alaska. So I find that I look for patterns. 1148 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.439 That's that's my big thing is trying to find patterns and what connect case is. 1149 01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:14.720 My question is when you have a case, it's that jam pact. 1150 01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:17.760 Let's say you go to the next night and absolutely nothing happens. How are 1151 01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:21.479 you guys preparing yourself mentally, and how are you keeping it entertaining? Because 1152 01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:26.520 I mean, we all know ninety nine percent of our the time you're in 1153 01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:30.439 the dark by yourself, nothing happens. So so from a I guess a 1154 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:34.680 television show perspective, how are you keeping the energy up going from you know, 1155 01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:39.399 what might have been the craziest investigation ever to something completely dead the next 1156 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:44.119 night. Well, for me, I think that just explaining the process and 1157 01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:48.640 the methodology is entertaining. Right, Just going through the motions and trying to 1158 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:55.600 go in and recreate results or trying to find logical explanation to what you've captured, 1159 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.800 to me is entertaining. And I think that's where you can make entertainment 1160 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:04.119 value. And there is high entertainment value in the process and in the methodology 1161 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:09.680 and in the research itself. So for me, I never go into a 1162 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:14.720 situation thinking about entertainment. I think about the process and the methodology, and 1163 01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:16.680 I think that it all comes down to the fact that if you're you know, 1164 01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:21.159 checking off all the boxes and following through with your methodology and your research, 1165 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:27.640 that is equally as entertaining is running around yelling dude brow with a spirit 1166 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:30.880 box. But maybe that's just me. I don't know, right, It's 1167 01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:35.359 it's kind of like find your audience type deal. Well, no, it's 1168 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:40.359 it's it really is. It's it's that simple, but it's that difficult because 1169 01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:45.560 once the again just from an entertainment or like TV or perspective, when you 1170 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:47.880 have the lights on you and branding can attest to this. Even when we 1171 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:50.279 were doing like, you know, because we had a screen test for this, 1172 01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:53.640 they you know, they flew me out to Burbank and a bunch of 1173 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:59.039 other people and they just wanted to see how you were going to perform under 1174 01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:03.199 pressure. Off camera. Everyone was a star. Off camera, everyone was 1175 01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:08.279 you know, king shit, and they knew everything about the power and Roll. 1176 01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:12.319 But the second the camera started rolling and they had lights on them, 1177 01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:16.399 they froze because the only thing that they were going after was being entertaining. 1178 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:21.039 But if you have something to say, that should mean something to you, 1179 01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:24.720 And if you've been doing this work for a long time, or any kind 1180 01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:30.319 of work, if you rely on just giving that honest take under pressure, 1181 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.760 your honest take on something and what you want it to be, what it 1182 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:38.319 should be for you or what you're hoping it can be and then in the 1183 01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:41.720 moment showing maybe your disappointment that you're not getting off what you want to get 1184 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:45.000 off. All that stuff, which will happen if you're working. Everything else 1185 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:49.760 falls into place, Everything else falls into place. I love that this is 1186 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:53.800 where everybody. Why the hell do we investigate at nighttime? Can any want 1187 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.680 to answer that? Because I well, well that's why. That's kind of 1188 01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:59.359 my next question too, is at nighttime or in the dark, Like, 1189 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:01.640 what are our that? Right? Well, I mean for us, I 1190 01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:05.000 mean on Hauntered Discoveries, you're gonna see multiple episodes where we do a bulk 1191 01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:10.239 of that work during the day. So it's not something we followed per se 1192 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:15.600 on, you know, according to the formula that is the shows from the 1193 01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:18.640 beginning to now. But I think a lot of it if you were to 1194 01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:21.800 look at it from a practical point of view, investigating the night's gonna cut 1195 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:26.560 down on as much contamination as possible. So for me, I mean, 1196 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:29.159 if you're looking at it from that point of view, you're gonna have less 1197 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:31.119 traffic. You're gonna have buildings that are typically open as a business or a 1198 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:35.560 tourist attraction during the day that will be way quieter night and you'll have more 1199 01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:40.640 access. But again with the Haunter discoveries and especially this last season, we 1200 01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:44.680 just shot You're gonna see I mean four or five episodes where we started our 1201 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:48.199 investigations at two pm. You know, so there's gonna be a lot you'll 1202 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:51.479 see on that show. That's gonna show a lot of the work done during 1203 01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:55.640 the day. But we were lucky enough to be at locations where we had 1204 01:25:55.880 --> 01:26:00.520 access to these locations and they were pretty isolated and didn't have a lot of 1205 01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:03.199 contamination, so the night factor wasn't as big of a deal as some of 1206 01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:08.359 these other locations would be. You know, you could have just said it's 1207 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:11.319 spooky and that would have been like, that would have been fine. Okay, 1208 01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:14.880 Oh my god, Eric, what's your opinion? I mean, you 1209 01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:17.760 go all over you you do these these group investigations. Why why are you 1210 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:21.119 guys doing it at nice? I think, like Brendan said, for the 1211 01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:27.399 most part, it's it's convenience. I mean, to do to do investigations 1212 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:30.279 at night with a group of people, it's it's entertaining. I mean, 1213 01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:35.840 when when when people without bullshitting people, they come by ticket to investigate with 1214 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:39.479 us. We still have to be entertaining, because the truth of it is, 1215 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.319 we're probably gonna set the fucking dark five hours and nothing's gonna happen, 1216 01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:45.439 And so you have to be entertaining somewhat and doing it in the dark. 1217 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:48.880 People just scare the shit out of themselves right off the bat, especially people 1218 01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.239 that aren't used to doing this. They're just scared of the dark, and 1219 01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:55.399 they're gonna scare themselves and they're gonna get a kick out of that and they 1220 01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:59.880 get a little adrenaline rush. But but I also think, like Brendan would 1221 01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:01.279 say, and it just takes a lot of contamination out of it. You 1222 01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:05.479 don't have a lot of traffic at night, you don't have you know, 1223 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:10.399 a lot of the other light contamination things like that. I also think for 1224 01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:14.600 me, I like it because I feel like it heightens my senses a little 1225 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:16.079 more. I'm a little more on edge. I think when it's dark, 1226 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:21.079 walking around the dark and I think I'm paying for myself, my body. 1227 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:26.199 I'm paying more attention to what's going on around me in the environment than the 1228 01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:30.520 people that are around me or the you know what environment I'm in. But 1229 01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:36.520 yeah, the biggest thing is just the convenience and the keeping contamination now very 1230 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:40.119 very well said, So, Tyler, do you have anything else real quick 1231 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:43.000 for I want to get to our final topic? Well, going off of 1232 01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:46.359 something that Stop said earlier about basically finding your own perspective. Oh, I 1233 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:50.840 thought you're you're gonna grinder compare profiles. No, no, this this isn't 1234 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:55.479 only phantoms. Okay, it's the only place. I'm done. I'm leaving 1235 01:27:55.520 --> 01:28:01.119 on that note. We'll talk after as the only as the only gay man 1236 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:09.199 in this chat right now, I've never evender, so I'm sorry. All 1237 01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:13.239 of those aren't so lucky. Okay, over here in Jersey, man, 1238 01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:17.079 Oh my god, Tyler, what were you going to say? Well? 1239 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.520 I have something that I kind of want to run by you guys about the 1240 01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:25.880 double slit experiment, and I promise it won't be all scientificy and boring. 1241 01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:29.239 Well most of it won't. So do you guys care if I talk about 1242 01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:32.680 that? For a second floor? Is yours? Okay? So we're probably 1243 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:38.840 all slightly familiar with the double slit experiment, but for the listeners, basically, 1244 01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:46.279 your you're moving particles through two slits, and just imagine water going through 1245 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:51.319 two slits and how it would go turn into waves, and the waves kind 1246 01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:54.239 of hit each other and it kind of looks like, I don't know, 1247 01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:59.199 like fish scales. That's that wave pattern. That's normal. Now, particles 1248 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:03.239 will do that unless they're being observed. So there's this big thing with does 1249 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:06.960 the observer affect the particles? If they're being observed, they'll just go, 1250 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:11.279 they'll group together through the slits, and when they hit the wall, you'll 1251 01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:15.680 see that they're in two straight lines. Observation does change the behavior particles, 1252 01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:20.880 right, So that's that's a theory. But so my theory would be that 1253 01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:26.279 I've thought about and this is a I thought I was being unique, but 1254 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:30.239 this has already been thought of. Is the equipment that is being used because 1255 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:33.159 obviously we can't observe particles, we can't see them. So it's the equipment 1256 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:36.960 that they're using to observe the particles, and I think of like IR light 1257 01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:44.039 and things like that. Are the electromagnetic emissions or anything that they're using to 1258 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:49.079 observe those protons and electrons because they literally some of the equipments I looked into, 1259 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:51.680 they have to grab the particles to know that they're there. They are 1260 01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:58.119 manipulating the natural order the natural state of those particles, which I let. 1261 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:02.680 I'll let them and also answer that because the act of observing isn't just looking 1262 01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:05.920 with your eye. In order to see these particles, you have to use 1263 01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:13.239 either certain lights or certain equipment manularly detected and measured, so you really don't 1264 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:15.720 need a human to be there. So what I'm what I'm focusing on is 1265 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:19.840 the conscious observer. Like if a human stood there without using the measuring equipment, 1266 01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:24.039 we would never know if it happens because we can't use the measuring equipments. 1267 01:30:24.079 --> 01:30:30.720 Kind of a paradox. So I got to thinking about that with paranormal 1268 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:38.720 equipment. If if the equipment is disturbing the particles and collapsing their super whatever 1269 01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:43.720 they call it, you'll have to google that. But if it is affecting 1270 01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:48.359 particles, then could our ir lights or our regular lights or our radio frequencies 1271 01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:55.760 be breaking up a a wave form or a wave pattern? And what if 1272 01:30:55.840 --> 01:31:00.199 things, whatever things are, need to use a wave pattern because that's the 1273 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:02.800 way of nature. Everything seems to happen in waves too manifest and we're breaking 1274 01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:09.720 it up. And that's again why I like the EMCCD camera because again it's 1275 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:15.159 not penetrating or breaking up, it's just looking. So I just wondered if 1276 01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:17.279 if you guys have ever thought about that perspective of the double slitter, or 1277 01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:21.319 if you have any thoughts on it about us kind of penetrating and breaking up 1278 01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:28.439 things by using light and other forms of frequencies. That's something we've talked about 1279 01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:32.279 with doctor Klore and actually tested in the field many times as well. And 1280 01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:36.199 one thing we tested on and Discoveries, especially season one, is the observer 1281 01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:41.920 affecting the environment not only from equipments, but also from you know, a 1282 01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:46.319 person's belief affecting the environments. That's something that we actually conducted an experiment with 1283 01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:51.159 with Kyle Cadell and Daring West at the Bethlehem Academy with some research they've been 1284 01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:54.920 conducting for a number of years and things that we've been working on, and 1285 01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:59.560 we just came together for one big experiment to you know, project into the 1286 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:03.199 environment, I mean, and we're able to document anything around that and let 1287 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:06.000 stop. I think there was probably some pretty interesting things that came out of 1288 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:13.000 that, wouldn't you say? Oh? Yeah? I Mean that's something that 1289 01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:17.359 we're we're consciously kind of just going back and forth on. I mean even 1290 01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:21.800 just our presence in a certain area. Right when we're investigating, we're always 1291 01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:25.800 toying with the ideas like, oh we kind of think there's something here, 1292 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:29.880 but you know, is the is the sheer fact that like we're just here, 1293 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:34.359 you know, kind of you know, influencing the environment or the activity 1294 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:38.880 there in some way. So, uh yeah, we toy around with that 1295 01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:42.279 a lot. We'll leave places alone for a while, We'll go back and 1296 01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:46.760 forth in Yeah, that's that's something that's constantly on our mind. We're we're 1297 01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.920 always thinking. We're always thinking like whenever we're in a place and oh is 1298 01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:56.239 this dead here or not or whatever? So uh yeah, that we we 1299 01:32:56.600 --> 01:33:00.640 work with that a lot. So this is where the conversation might descend or 1300 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:06.680 us end into esoterica. But I saw you guys published through Llewellen Worldwide, 1301 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:12.279 which we all know is mostly witchcraft and paganism. There definitely are haunted and 1302 01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:16.840 ghost hunting books on there. But with that thought of a conscious observer affecting 1303 01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:23.800 matter, I think that that implies intuition and other things like that, which 1304 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:29.399 are deeply rooted in magic and witchcraft and other things. So with that being 1305 01:33:29.479 --> 01:33:33.359 said, is there in maybe episodes we haven't seen, or in future projects 1306 01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:40.720 a place for like spiritualistic seances or rituals or summoning things where you play with 1307 01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:45.920 your intention or your belief in your investigation. Yeah, we did just that. 1308 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:50.159 It's exactly what we did. Yeah, it's we're open to it, 1309 01:33:50.279 --> 01:33:54.399 right, And we wanted to try and document the environment in every way, 1310 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:57.760 shape or form, and we want to look at that from different belief systems, 1311 01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:00.840 utilizing our methodology and the way we can our research, but allowing others 1312 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:06.680 a space to do their work and allowing us to document that around them. 1313 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:10.960 And that's something that we did do in the first season upon our discoveries and 1314 01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:15.640 specifically bringing in a Spiritesi mode to come in and conduct a seance and to 1315 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:21.479 try and conjure a specific person that is said to haunt that exact place, 1316 01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:27.239 and we had great results. And again something we're open to and something that 1317 01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:31.000 we're always trying to play with in ways that we feel comfortable with, but 1318 01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:36.199 allowing others to do what they believe and their belief system, but finding that 1319 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:43.359 common ground of us working with our methodology and allowing these people to practice their 1320 01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:46.279 own beliefs that's awesome. Yeah, I love that, and I want to 1321 01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:49.439 kind of build off. So you mentioned Kyle and Darien, So Tyler and 1322 01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:53.880 I spoke about this briefly before the show. I want your opinion now that 1323 01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:57.520 you live in Kentucky on the Kentucky Anomaly. We talked about this briefly when 1324 01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.279 you're on the show. There is something about Kentucky. I don't think anyone 1325 01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:05.439 that's been there as an investigative capacity can deny something is weird with Kentucky. 1326 01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:12.239 And are you familiar with the official quote unquote official Kentucky Anomaly. Oh, 1327 01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:15.119 yeah, yeah, I know. It's it's actually the main thesis of the 1328 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:18.199 first season upon our discoveries. That's the reason we came here, and the 1329 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:24.520 reason we came to investigate very specific locations is because of the Kentucky anomaly, 1330 01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:29.079 which mainly centered in Somerset, Kentucky, but it also extends out beyond that, 1331 01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:33.279 and we did examine the NASA reports, the minimal reports that are out 1332 01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:39.960 there about the Kentucky anomaly. And then bringing doctor Harry Chlorin. He his 1333 01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:46.960 first PhD was in gravitational anomalies, so that's something that he is very familiar 1334 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:53.000 with and did it? Did it actually look at the anomaly, the gravitational 1335 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:56.479 maps and everything. And at one point right was Stoppica. We're in Somerset. 1336 01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:00.439 He started talking about gravity and some of his research and let let some 1337 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:04.800 slip out of it or glory thoughts with out of it. Yeah, it 1338 01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:09.119 was. It was pretty great because we were interviewing him on camera and then 1339 01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:14.239 he had he had rattled off some like numbers and figures and facts about an 1340 01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:17.760 area, and our research that we were going by was from like I think 1341 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:21.119 like a decade prior. And then there was like certain figures that we were 1342 01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:25.439 talking about, and then he started like snowballing and we're like, oh, 1343 01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:28.279 okay, cool, Yeah, we were looking at this and what about these 1344 01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:31.000 figures and everything. And then he's like, oh, is that what your 1345 01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:34.800 guys research said and we said yeah, and he's like okay, all right, 1346 01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:38.159 and then he like continues with the interview and then right off camera and 1347 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:40.359 he like gets up, takes his micy off and he's like, I have 1348 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:42.880 to check something. I think I said something I shouldn't have said and it's 1349 01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:46.199 not declassified yet, and he goes back to his like laptop and everything. 1350 01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:48.520 He's like oh thank god. Yeah, no, no, I can talk 1351 01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:53.119 about it. And there were like jeez, Louise, like he had like 1352 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:58.479 access to some database or something that he was free to discuss this like knowledge 1353 01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:01.159 that shouldn't have been public knowledge because you know he was I think consulting with 1354 01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:05.039 NASA and you know, working on some stuff with them. So that was 1355 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:10.239 a very very cool for me. It was my first time meeting doctor Korn 1356 01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:13.960 person, so you know, I've read his work and I'm familiar with him 1357 01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:15.600 and you know, interacted with him, you know, be a phone and 1358 01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:17.880 email and stuff. But then like to see that, I was like, 1359 01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.000 what a hell of an introduction to this guys. So it was super cool. 1360 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:27.359 That's that's fantastic. So I can toss in one little I do this 1361 01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:30.760 thing with because I'm too stupid to read like research papers and all that, 1362 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:33.560 so I just used chat GPT to summarize them. So it might not be 1363 01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:38.159 perfect, but for anyone who was hearing this and doesn't think that the Kentucky 1364 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:42.439 anomaly is real or wasn't really researched by NASA, you can go to the 1365 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:46.159 actual dot gov website, like literally just google Kentucky anomaly and you'll find it. 1366 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.479 But this is a summary of their report, which I could not read 1367 01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:54.720 because of all their mumbo jumbo, but it says NASA found a strong magnetic 1368 01:37:54.840 --> 01:38:00.199 region under Kentucky and Tennessee, larger than initially thought. It's magne ties similarly 1369 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:05.520 to Earth's overall magnetic field, suggesting it's not from an ancient quote unquote frozen 1370 01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:13.479 magnetic field, which is something that can it's basically the way the Earth is 1371 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:16.520 in that place can look like a signature of an ancient magnetic field. But 1372 01:38:16.760 --> 01:38:20.359 that's a whole other That paragraph is longer than this one, and it's basically 1373 01:38:20.399 --> 01:38:25.720 saying that it's not that. They use various tools and data types to come 1374 01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:30.159 to these conclusions, so I could barely understand that the terminology that they were 1375 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:34.319 using, But it looks like pretty thoroughly they know that for some reason, 1376 01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:40.279 the gravity is stronger in that area. Very interesting. So the last thing 1377 01:38:40.279 --> 01:38:42.640 I want to bring out, I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I 1378 01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:44.600 was gonna say just one last thing, but that if you were just take 1379 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:49.960 a map and lay that over the magnetic map of that area in the gravitational 1380 01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:56.079 pool in that area, you see all the strange shit that's been happening in 1381 01:38:56.159 --> 01:39:00.000 Kentucky and Tennessee too, So it's it's a very interesting core relation. And 1382 01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:04.439 you know, does it lead to some form of psychological effects or does it 1383 01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:09.319 lead to some kind of supernatural effect. That's that's what we were definitely looking 1384 01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:13.199 into and hopefully have more answers than not. You know, again, it's 1385 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:16.680 tough, but it's very interesting that there's also a higher level of psychosis in 1386 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:20.840 those areas too, in Kentucky and Tennessee as well. Long story short, 1387 01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:28.439 at the bell Wich is a hollow Earth alien. That's what these Yeah, 1388 01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:32.119 well who wasn't Yeah yea, thank you for saying that. All right, 1389 01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:34.279 So the last thing I want to talk about. We could have gotten to 1390 01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:38.399 lay lines and a whole bunch of other keep Kentucky weird. There's there's there's 1391 01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:40.960 a million things to talk with Kentucky, but I want to get everyone's opinion. 1392 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:43.479 I mean, we talked to Marco Visconti. I don't know if you 1393 01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:46.279 guys are familiar, but he wrote the Alistair Crowley Manual, and we had 1394 01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.840 a pretty in depth discussion when it came to the Satanic panic and the importance 1395 01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:57.680 of mitigating that when it comes to paranormal research and paranormal content because as we 1396 01:39:57.760 --> 01:39:59.960 spoke, you know, a couple times of the last hour and a half, 1397 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:02.920 there's so many people out there that just everything's a demon, everything has 1398 01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:06.720 to be the devil. Now we also know that some of that comes from 1399 01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:11.840 upbringing. Brittany talked about growing up as a Southern Baptist, where everything is 1400 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:15.199 the devil, but there's also the other side of the coin, where this 1401 01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:16.319 is where we can put our tinfoil hats on. But there's a level of 1402 01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:21.479 control, and there's also a monetary benefit to pushing the demon narrative consistently. 1403 01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:26.199 So I kind of wanted to get everyone a chance to kind of discuss their 1404 01:40:26.199 --> 01:40:30.479 opinion on the resurgence of the Satanic panic. It's definitely different because Tyler and 1405 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:33.720 I grew up small town, Ohio in the nineties. We had one terrible 1406 01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:38.560 thing that happened to our town and we had a group one guy killed a 1407 01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:42.359 handful of young women and it was terrible. But after that, a lot 1408 01:40:42.359 --> 01:40:45.840 of things change for me and a lot of my friends, where suddenly my 1409 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:47.800 parents were instead of being concerned about me being out too late or not being 1410 01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:51.800 back by dinner, time, there was a concern that there was murderers everywhere 1411 01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:56.680 and there was a cult. There was every town had a cult that was 1412 01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:00.880 taking children. And Tyler and I grew up with hearing these stories about River 1413 01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:04.520 Road outside of Sydney, Ohio, where every kid heard the same story. 1414 01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:08.680 Yep, there's colts out on River Road. They're stealing children and they're sacrificing 1415 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:11.720 stuff. Everyone kind of heard that. Then it kind of meant, you 1416 01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:14.720 know, went away, and now it's back. And I think with social 1417 01:41:14.720 --> 01:41:17.960 media being what it is and information traveling a million times faster than when we 1418 01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:21.600 were kids, I think we could be in this for a lot longer, 1419 01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:26.079 and it could be a lot worse than it was during one point, oh 1420 01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:28.800 for lack of a better term here. So I wanted to kind of get 1421 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:31.720 everyone's opinion. Are you seeing this in your work that you're doing. Are 1422 01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:35.880 you consciously trying to stay away from this and making sure that we are pushing 1423 01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:41.119 the correct story, the correct narrative, keeping history first, or is it 1424 01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:44.199 kind of something we don't You guys aren't really factoring in. And again, 1425 01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:46.359 Eric having his show Us Having Tales from the Dark, Tyler having hit his 1426 01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:50.840 upcoming show it's something that I want to get everyone's unique opinion and perspective on 1427 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:55.199 because it is something that I think should be talked about a lot more, 1428 01:41:55.239 --> 01:41:58.760 and it's going to be, in my opinion too late by the point that 1429 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.680 we address the ELpH in the room. Yeah, I just I just the 1430 01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:05.960 guess that I have. On my show this week, he said something that 1431 01:42:06.039 --> 01:42:11.760 really that I laughed at, but it really made me think he's agnostic and 1432 01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:15.199 I'm agnostic too, coming from the Bible Belt. And I asked him. 1433 01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:19.840 He's been investigating for over forty years down in New Zealand, and I asked 1434 01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:23.159 him, you know, if he's ever come across anything that he would turn 1435 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:25.520 demonic, and he said, it's funny how they don't bother you when you 1436 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:30.600 don't believe in them. So I thought that was a very teelling thing because 1437 01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:34.239 I've never come across anything like that either, and anybody that's talked to me 1438 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:36.439 though, that is my motto is if you're an asshole on life's probably got 1439 01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:41.359 be an asshole on death. And even even having a demonologist on my show, 1440 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:46.039 which he's the real Deality demonologist, but he's a parent on investigator too, 1441 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:49.439 and he'll tell you that a parent on investigating, he's never come across 1442 01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:54.479 anything demonic, he said, through the church, because he works as a 1443 01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:56.960 as a demonologist. You know, they see it all the time because that's 1444 01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:01.000 who people go to when they think they're possessed or that haven issues like that, 1445 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:02.520 They go to the church. So he said, you know, he 1446 01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:04.600 sees it quite often there. But he said, in his twenty years of 1447 01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:10.039 panelmal biscuit and he's never seen it. And I find it interesting. And 1448 01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:14.760 then and then even me and Mustafa talked about before how when he was growing 1449 01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:15.760 up, I think it was I think it was your dad, Mustafa, 1450 01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:19.039 that anything bad that happened, it was the Gin. And so I think 1451 01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:24.159 it has a lot to do with with your upbringing, in your cultural beliefs 1452 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:27.119 and religious beliefs. And I think there's lots of things to factor into that. 1453 01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:30.680 I think, you know, with going back to the said ten and 1454 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:33.039 panic in the eighties, a lot of that was kicked off by the true 1455 01:43:33.079 --> 01:43:38.439 crime case to West Memphis three where the two kids went missing and then were 1456 01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:43.600 found in a creek and horrible things that happened to them, and they charged 1457 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:47.039 these three kids. One of them has an IQ of like eighty. You 1458 01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:50.359 know, he can barely form a sentence, let alone, and he falsely 1459 01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:56.159 confessed. Well, that got the other two convicted, and they because they 1460 01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:59.680 were Gothic and things like that, played the Biji board, listened to heavy 1461 01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:03.159 metal. They turned them, you know, Satanic worshippers, and they weren't 1462 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:06.479 they they they didn't have any kind of religious belie as far as I knew, 1463 01:44:06.880 --> 01:44:12.279 and they were poor, and so they convicted them, and now they've 1464 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.960 been I think one of them took an Alfred plea which basically said I did 1465 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:17.800 it. But they vacated a sentence. And I think the other two you 1466 01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:25.239 got, got acquitted, got their their sentences completely vacated. And they never 1467 01:44:25.279 --> 01:44:28.640 found who killed the two kids and did horrible things of them. But that 1468 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:30.720 was a huge thing in pop culture back in the eighties. I know that 1469 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.760 kind of kicked in the Satanic panic with uh, like I said, pop 1470 01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:42.119 qution in general, because that became the poster case for there's a there's an 1471 01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:46.720 epidemic of you know, Satanist and all this other things that really wasn't true. 1472 01:44:47.199 --> 01:44:48.880 And I think, and that's what I've been asking a lot of my 1473 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:57.079 guests, do you think we're going through a second wave of Satanic panic and 1474 01:44:57.079 --> 01:45:00.239 and why they think that is. And I've gotten some really interesting answers, 1475 01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:04.439 Like I said with with my guest Mark Wallbank said, what's funny how they 1476 01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:09.479 don't bother you if you don't believe in them, you know, So some 1477 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:13.800 interesting perspectives out there of what's going on and if it's going to continue or 1478 01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.199 not. Brandon and the stuff. I have you guys noticed any type of 1479 01:45:16.239 --> 01:45:24.960 like anxiety or anything around occult behavior activity or or anything you guys have tried 1480 01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:30.079 during your investigations, like hesitance from the client not personally No, no, 1481 01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:36.640 again, I know I see it more in the paranormal spaces with the YouTube 1482 01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:42.960 shows and groups and podcasts and all that seems like that's all they can talk 1483 01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:46.079 about. But I think what Eric just said, that quote from his guests 1484 01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:50.399 is pretty spot on. Again, I think a lot of that stuff stems 1485 01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:57.000 from the Warrens and the Conjuring films. Is that faith based belief system that 1486 01:45:57.039 --> 01:46:00.279 they had that every entity they ever own, no matter where they were, 1487 01:46:00.399 --> 01:46:04.119 was demonic in nature. And I think that all goes back to their belief 1488 01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:12.479 system and through pop culture and through people watching other people replicate this, I 1489 01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:15.680 think it's kind of based a lot on the Warren's research, especially in the 1490 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:20.880 paranormal circles. Yeah, and you have to remember that when they started out, 1491 01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:24.520 Lorraine Warren was not a psychic. She just all of a sudden became 1492 01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:29.079 a psychic. And and Ed Warren was a self proclaimed demonologist. He was 1493 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:31.960 never ordained by the Catholic Church or anybody else as a demonologist. They just 1494 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:35.479 came out of the woodwork and ordained themselves these two things, and that they 1495 01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:40.359 knew how to deal with paranormal and so yeah, I'm with Brandon. I 1496 01:46:40.399 --> 01:46:42.720 think it has a lot to do with that too, because back in the 1497 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:46.119 eighties with Satanan fanik Yet and the horror come out which the family Let's family 1498 01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:49.239 come out and said was true, and also the bullshit that is, you 1499 01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:53.560 know, nobody else has ever had an issue in that house, so you 1500 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:57.000 know what I mean. The current owners even changed the iconic windows because they 1501 01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.239 were tired of people coming to trample on their lawn. You know, people 1502 01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:01.680 can't find it anymore. They even changed the name of the streets so people 1503 01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:05.319 would stay away from that house because everybody's lived there since then. I haven't 1504 01:47:05.319 --> 01:47:09.880 had any problems, you know, well, and so it's yeah, I 1505 01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:12.720 think it's it's people trying to make money. I think it was the warrants 1506 01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:15.039 trying to make money back then. It's people trying to make money. Now 1507 01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:16.840 I would agree with that, but y'all start to be careful about the whole 1508 01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:23.520 ordained thing. That's that's a that's a very weird thing to make important because 1509 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:28.319 I'm I'm more I I myself have been an ordained minister for a decade and 1510 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:31.960 I did it as a joke. I went online, took a three questionnaire 1511 01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:35.000 and did it as a joke. So now you're going to heaven so real, 1512 01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:38.720 hilarious. No, I didn't he to kind of, you know, 1513 01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:42.920 as an early sites my Catholic my bringing in two so I could marry my 1514 01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:45.720 gay friends. That's the whole point of me being an ordained minister. My 1515 01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:50.279 husband is ordained minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Postafarians, 1516 01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:54.239 and he actually went and got that so that he could marry two of 1517 01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:59.680 our friends and uh yeah, the Postafarians. Yeah. So no, when 1518 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:02.439 I say ordained, what I mean is he has he had no training whatsoever, 1519 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:06.880 none whatsoever the beliefs of the Catholic Church. I don't even think they 1520 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:11.640 were Catholic, you know what I'm saying. And exorcism and possession and thing 1521 01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:15.039 is kind of really a Catholic thing more than it is anything else when it 1522 01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:18.239 comes to Christianity. And so he was just not he just he just said 1523 01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:23.000 I'm a demonologist because he read a book or something. You know. There 1524 01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:27.680 was no deep research there. And that's and that's like the rain Warren was 1525 01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:30.680 never a psychic before and then after they got a few cases in she all 1526 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:35.600 because all of a sudden has these fucking psychic powers and as a medium now 1527 01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:40.600 and talk to dead people, you know. So yeah, I think what 1528 01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:43.840 I meant when I said ordained was there was no he just said, I'm 1529 01:48:43.880 --> 01:48:48.399 a demonologist without any kind of anything. If we apply this to if we 1530 01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:55.680 just keep this to uh, paranormal investigation, I think the only real knowledge 1531 01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:59.720 is experience. There's only so much you can tell someone or teach someone. 1532 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:02.239 Orst you know, a story that you follow or a belief that you follow. 1533 01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:06.600 If you stick to your experience, your first hand go into a place 1534 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:11.840 that's allegedly infested with demons, this is how I became as skeptical as I 1535 01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.840 am. Go to the places that people say you can't go there and not 1536 01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:17.800 experience something. I go there, I stand around, I try everything that 1537 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:21.880 I can. Nothing happens because I ignore the stories. If I go in 1538 01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:27.039 there and I'm believing the stories, and you know I and I believe every 1539 01:49:27.239 --> 01:49:30.800 every shadow and every corner is what this person told me it was. I 1540 01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:33.840 don't under I mean, I guess I do understand people that are like that, 1541 01:49:33.960 --> 01:49:38.439 But you think after a while, you would realize you're not the worst 1542 01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:40.800 thing that can happen. This is something I think about all the time. 1543 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:45.399 The worst thing that can happen to me is I get killed by something supernatural 1544 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:49.399 and it's on camera and the whole world changes because it's the it's the most 1545 01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:55.640 amazing. So that's not something to be afraid of. Like, what's the 1546 01:49:55.680 --> 01:49:57.439 worst that's going to happen, right, Well, yeah, if there are 1547 01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:00.920 people in there, that's that's a different story. But if that happens, 1548 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:04.319 then people just say it's fake because it's now it's a found footage. Yeah, 1549 01:50:04.359 --> 01:50:09.960 but it's all about me though. That's the important personal is university? 1550 01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:14.039 Well, Brittany, what are your guys's opinions on Satanic panic two point OCAs. 1551 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:15.800 Again we've made I don't want to beat a dead horse here. I 1552 01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:17.680 think it's back, and I think it's worse than the first time, but 1553 01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:20.439 I want to make sure we get everyone's opinions. So do you think this 1554 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:27.640 is extremely important that it's addressed before it takes hold of all of our audiences 1555 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:33.039 individually this stuff, I'll let you go first. Okay, thank you, 1556 01:50:33.920 --> 01:50:39.960 man, I just jumped right in anyway. No, I think it just 1557 01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:43.239 kind of, oh my god, this is going to sound like such a 1558 01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:45.239 fatalistic way of looking at things. But I think it just kind of like 1559 01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:50.960 our species in general, dating back to thousands of years. There's two camps 1560 01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:56.319 of people there. There. There are individuals who really, really really like 1561 01:50:56.640 --> 01:51:03.279 to focus on putting the blame of their inability to live a life that they're 1562 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:11.880 happy with on certain external factors. Whether those external factors are practical everyday things 1563 01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:15.279 that you know, get in the way of our happiness, like you know, 1564 01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:18.439 I'm not getting a raise at work, or like I hate my job, 1565 01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:24.119 or you know, the government, or you know my neighbor who just 1566 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:27.880 won't stop you know, cutting his freaking tree and everything gets in my lawn 1567 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:32.079 or to like there's this evil demon that's like causing me to do these things 1568 01:51:32.159 --> 01:51:38.079 and these supernatural forces and and that's why my life stinks. And and for 1569 01:51:38.560 --> 01:51:42.119 the most part, in the early days of my paranormal research, it was 1570 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:46.000 mostly to help a lot of my family members and members of the Albanian Muslim 1571 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:50.720 community and then you know, our Muslim community and people around me that I 1572 01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:57.560 knew through friends and family members who really kind of had held these superstitious beliefs. 1573 01:51:58.279 --> 01:52:02.800 And I use paranormal investigation almost as a sort of like not pageantry, 1574 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:06.560 but like a way I had interest in it, but I wanted to help 1575 01:52:06.680 --> 01:52:14.760 them kind of get over these dependencies on external factors for being the reason why 1576 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:19.119 they're leading lives that are making them unhappy. So I think that you know, 1577 01:52:19.239 --> 01:52:26.319 you see, people have this really weird obsession with the horrible things that 1578 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:31.399 other human beings are capable of, because they just fucking love just toxic shit, 1579 01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:35.439 and they just love bad stuff, and it's like they get off on 1580 01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:39.359 it. They get off on it, schaden freud, whatever the hell you 1581 01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:44.319 want to call it. So I think it's it's just a really crappy thing 1582 01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:47.640 that our species does. And then you have like Brandon mentioned the conjuring films 1583 01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:51.399 or Eric and you mentioned the ambity of the horror movies or stuff like that, 1584 01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:57.840 Like there's a reason why this this horror generates so much income and generates 1585 01:52:57.920 --> 01:53:01.800 so much interest. People's obsession with true crime documentaries and stuff like that, 1586 01:53:02.119 --> 01:53:05.560 Like some like you gotta watch this true crime document it's about this little girl 1587 01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:10.199 got our head bashed in by like this adoptive family, like all this stuff. 1588 01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:12.560 It's like, I don't want to watch that, Like I don't want 1589 01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:15.239 to see the beginning of the new It movie where this brother's crying out for 1590 01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:18.720 his older brothers he's getting dragged to a sewer, Like I don't need to 1591 01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:21.640 see that, Like I don't want to watch that, like for me personally, 1592 01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:25.920 Like you know what I mean. So if it's an integral part of 1593 01:53:25.960 --> 01:53:29.239 an investigation that we're doing, yeah we'll tackle that subject matter, but I 1594 01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:31.560 don't want to see that or think about it. Doesn't mean I don't acknowledge 1595 01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:34.680 that that stuff exists, but I don't want to make my life about that. 1596 01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:38.399 And there have been times where, like you know, we've been been 1597 01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:41.479 and I know we've been on the road for a long time when we've been 1598 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:45.159 going gnarly case after an early case, and like it's so important for us 1599 01:53:45.239 --> 01:53:48.439 to just kind of like sit back and tell beef butt jokes or like whatever, 1600 01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:51.800 or like watch the Lakers game and like just relax, to kind of 1601 01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:56.079 like distance ourselves from that thing, to remind ourselves that like, yeah, 1602 01:53:56.079 --> 01:54:01.000 there's there's amazing things about life as well. So yeah, I think I 1603 01:54:01.119 --> 01:54:06.520 think that's that's kind of what it's rooted in. If there if if you 1604 01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:12.199 know, Bob, you do believe that there's like a huge resurgence and a 1605 01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:18.000 more fortified interest in the satanic panic or more dark and macops subject matter. 1606 01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:25.119 I think that's just kind of a reflection on where at large. Not to 1607 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.760 sound like the George Castanza mean, but that's what like, you know, 1608 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:30.680 society is kind of going after now. It's like, you know, there's 1609 01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:34.640 this what people are going for and they're very very obsessed with very very bad 1610 01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:42.039 things, and that I think is just a circumstance of that larger phenomena. 1611 01:54:42.640 --> 01:54:45.840 I think you also see that overlap in the paranormal community a lot with people 1612 01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:48.960 who love horror and people who love the paranormal. And I think that could 1613 01:54:48.960 --> 01:54:53.359 also play into what Brandon was saying earlier about exploiting tragedy. It's like, 1614 01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:58.239 if you're desensitized to these things, if you love horrible true crime stories, 1615 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:00.199 and you know, to each their own way, whatever, but these horrible 1616 01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:04.960 movies stuff that I personally can't watch some of it just the story alone makes 1617 01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:08.880 me resteckt to my stomach. But if you're desensitized to that, then of 1618 01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:12.199 course you're going to go in a location and like flaunt this stuff like it's 1619 01:55:12.199 --> 01:55:15.039 the greatest thing in the world. I also think it's easy for all of 1620 01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:19.560 us who are immersed in the paranormal world all the time to kind of get 1621 01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:24.680 tunnel vision as well, because I know, until I started my podcast, 1622 01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:28.479 you know, three years ago, I didn't have as many paranormal groups on 1623 01:55:28.600 --> 01:55:30.800 my Facebook page, and I didn't go into these paranormal groups because I didn't 1624 01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:33.479 give a shit, you know, I didn't I watched a few of the 1625 01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:39.399 TV shows, I went out and investigated and did my thing, and really 1626 01:55:39.439 --> 01:55:44.560 didn't pay attention to paranormal and social media and didn't really pay attention to reading 1627 01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:46.079 a lot of paranormal books and things because I was going out and doing it 1628 01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:49.840 myself. But now with the podcast, I read a lot of paranormal books 1629 01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:53.640 because I have the authors on and things, and I talk paranormal all the 1630 01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:57.840 time. And even with the new podcasts that I'm doing, I'm telling stories. 1631 01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:00.279 And so I think it's easy to get tunnel vision when that's all your 1632 01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:05.319 Facebook pages because of what we do, and that's who you're interacting with, 1633 01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:10.439 and that's the ship you see on YouTube because you're you know, everybody and 1634 01:56:10.479 --> 01:56:14.279 their mama asks you to subscribe to their channels and they want you to follow 1635 01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:15.920 them, and they follow you. And so I think when that's all you 1636 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:19.319 see, I think it's easy to get that tunnel vision. And I will 1637 01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:23.960 kill that too. To working in emergency medicine for fifteen years like I did, 1638 01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:29.439 and working in the er, I got tunnel vision sometimes that you know, 1639 01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:33.520 fuck, everybody's sick, you know, you when you're immersed in that 1640 01:56:34.119 --> 01:56:38.840 and working especially on the ambulance twenty four hours shifts and all you're seeing is 1641 01:56:38.920 --> 01:56:41.880 the bad part of the world, it's very easy to get tunnel vision and 1642 01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:44.199 think, well, the world's just gonna shit and everybody's bad. No, 1643 01:56:44.279 --> 01:56:46.800 everybody shooting everybody, everybody's stabbing everybody, you know, and things like that. 1644 01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:50.920 It's easy to get that tunnel vision. So I think it's important for 1645 01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:56.960 us to kind of maybe refocus sometimes and get the hell out of the And 1646 01:56:57.079 --> 01:56:59.560 I try to do this at least couple of times a week, to get 1647 01:56:59.640 --> 01:57:04.159 out of the Facebook and in the social media's and all that stuff and do 1648 01:57:04.279 --> 01:57:10.640 something completely different, just to kind of I don't know, palate cleans. 1649 01:57:10.680 --> 01:57:14.520 I guess for me, it's true crime. And the reason it's true crime 1650 01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:16.159 for me is not because I want to see BloodGuts and gore. I've seen 1651 01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:19.960 that shit and fucking person in real life. It's because I am fascinated by 1652 01:57:20.119 --> 01:57:24.960 why somebody could do that to somebody else, the psychological part of it, 1653 01:57:25.399 --> 01:57:29.800 sociological part of it, but because the true crime is completely to me, 1654 01:57:29.960 --> 01:57:33.000 is completely different than paranormal. It's a for me to listen to a true 1655 01:57:33.039 --> 01:57:36.439 crime podcast or something like that, it kind of gives me that downtime that 1656 01:57:36.479 --> 01:57:40.920 I need to not have tunnel vision. That Okay, the whole all the 1657 01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.760 paranormal communities this way, they're all like look at me or it's all demonic 1658 01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:46.640 or it's all this shit, and I find myself doing that as well, 1659 01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:49.880 and until I have to kick myself in the ass and be like, no, 1660 01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:53.760 that's not how it is. It's just the microcosm of a world that 1661 01:57:53.840 --> 01:57:57.920 I'm in right now, and this is what people are doing, right. 1662 01:57:57.960 --> 01:58:00.720 You have to be careful what you put in your container, basically, no, 1663 01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:02.159 absolutely, And that's something Brittany and I have talked about a lot, 1664 01:58:02.199 --> 01:58:06.640 because you know, we have the Missing Person's Mysteries YouTube channel where all we 1665 01:58:06.840 --> 01:58:14.079 cover is doom and gloom. The missing Person's shedding a light on the enigma 1666 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:16.159 that is what's happening in our national park system, so on and so forth. 1667 01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:19.920 So it's very easy to get lost down that rabbit hole. And is 1668 01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:23.399 something that you know, I edited for the channel long before we took over, 1669 01:58:23.479 --> 01:58:25.920 and something that Brittany, you know, she takes it like a chant. 1670 01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:28.239 I used to have to like sit back and like, fuck, I 1671 01:58:28.319 --> 01:58:30.880 need to watch some kids. I need to watch kids fall down on YouTube 1672 01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:33.479 to feel better about what I just edited for three hours, like it sucks. 1673 01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:38.600 And Brittany has a great way of having that filter up of this is 1674 01:58:39.279 --> 01:58:41.520 the story we're telling. This is why it's important, but I'm not gonna 1675 01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:44.079 let it impact me too much. And I don't you know, I stn't 1676 01:58:44.079 --> 01:58:45.279 want to hear your opinion on the Satanic panic, Britney. But that's something 1677 01:58:45.319 --> 01:58:48.680 that we do have to deal with an our end and also take some accountability 1678 01:58:48.760 --> 01:58:53.840 for to not push that. You know, everything is terrible because there are 1679 01:58:54.359 --> 01:58:59.279 you know, the missing person phenomenon is so it's so large, and it's 1680 01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:01.840 something that we make sure that we never push the narrative of everyone's going to 1681 01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:04.600 go missing the second you set for the National Park, You're fucking dead. 1682 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:09.800 We definitely go out of our way to ensure that we're telling the story in 1683 01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:12.800 its most complete way, but we're also not pushing any kind of a fear 1684 01:59:12.920 --> 01:59:15.680 narrative just for the viewership. So I'm gonna throw it over to Brittany here. 1685 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:20.199 I mean, y'all really gave me a very large palette to sample from 1686 01:59:20.279 --> 01:59:24.359 here, so I gotta jump around. So the first thing I want to 1687 01:59:24.399 --> 01:59:30.359 talk about is desensitization. Jesus excuse me of everyone when it comes to social 1688 01:59:30.399 --> 01:59:35.720 media and the things that we're consuming day in day out, advertisements, Twitter, 1689 01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:45.239 you name it. It's all we are so overloaded with new information and 1690 01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:50.520 with new issues, with new crisis, with new you name it, it's 1691 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:54.680 coming out. So basically, what I'm trying to get at is that with 1692 01:59:54.960 --> 01:59:59.319 that overload of information, it has caused us to change our mentalities of how 1693 01:59:59.359 --> 02:00:02.640 we deal with our tragedies, how we deal with you know, something bad 1694 02:00:02.720 --> 02:00:06.399 going on in the world, or even something good. And I have seen 1695 02:00:06.439 --> 02:00:14.039 that on social media across very different groups, particularly on Facebook. And one 1696 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:16.239 thing I want to talk about when it comes to the Satanic panic, and 1697 02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:21.319 one of the reasons why I believe it is coming back, is because if 1698 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:26.239 you look in the conspiracy theories, and I know we're really getting in the 1699 02:00:26.319 --> 02:00:30.039 crazies here, but if you look in these conspiracy theories groups, I have 1700 02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:36.720 seen a trend from knowing conspiracy theorists years and years and years ago to now 1701 02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:43.159 where everything has turned into demons, everything has turned into the devil, and 1702 02:00:43.239 --> 02:00:48.720 it's turned into these secret cults and secret occult rituals. Now. I know 1703 02:00:48.840 --> 02:00:56.039 that is a very small portion of the entire nation, in the entire world. 1704 02:00:56.840 --> 02:01:00.880 However, I will say that having interactions with people who have nothing to 1705 02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:04.479 do with high strangists at all, paranormal, UFO, cryptids, occult what 1706 02:01:04.640 --> 02:01:13.279 you name it, are starting to use occult references or rituals or the Illuminati, 1707 02:01:13.399 --> 02:01:17.640 for example, which has become very mainstream as excuses for bad things happening. 1708 02:01:18.760 --> 02:01:24.399 I find that when we are regularly using these excuses, and we are, 1709 02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:28.640 we are desensitizing that excuse it, it's gonna escalate, and then it's 1710 02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:31.560 gonna get worse, and then it's going to turn into persecution for people who 1711 02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:36.359 practice those rituals or for people who don't believe the way that you believe. 1712 02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:40.600 I do see this as a trend that's going to get worse and worse and 1713 02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:44.840 worse until we eventually fix it. How I don't know, but I do 1714 02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:48.279 think, especially in the occult community, we are trending towards something a little 1715 02:01:48.359 --> 02:01:51.439 dangerous here. I think all we need is just a constant, you know, 1716 02:01:51.560 --> 02:01:55.199 once a day everyone gets a voice text message of Eric just saying, 1717 02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:58.680 hey, it's all right, that's it. The world's world, the world's 1718 02:01:58.720 --> 02:02:00.560 not ship like all right. I believe you. I don't know who you 1719 02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:05.760 are. I see what you're saying, Brittany, but I think for me 1720 02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:10.640 growing up in the as a gay man for one, growing up in the 1721 02:02:10.680 --> 02:02:14.399 Bible belt, the buckle of the Bible Belt. I've heard it my entire 1722 02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:18.920 life that everything's demons because I'm surrounded by Church or Christ in Southern Baptist and 1723 02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:21.760 you know, the Church Christ think the Southern Baptist going straight to hill and 1724 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:25.640 the Southern Baptist Church Christ scoring straight to Hill, and they hate each other, 1725 02:02:26.279 --> 02:02:29.960 you know, and they're screaming about the same things. So coming from 1726 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:33.199 culture in the South, and you're from the South as well. But I 1727 02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:38.000 think just growing up where I did, it's always been that way. And 1728 02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:41.039 then I still get the ship when I do any kind of event out here 1729 02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:44.399 or people will catch me out in public, they always want to talk about 1730 02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:46.920 demons and always want to tell me what I'm doing is demonic and there's no 1731 02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:50.640 such thing as ghosts or spirits. They're all demons. And you know how 1732 02:02:50.680 --> 02:02:54.680 many times I've been scolded about a little granny at the fucking grocery store because 1733 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:58.479 she heard through the grape vine that I do the paranormal. So I, 1734 02:02:58.760 --> 02:03:01.680 you know, I just I've been in that my entire life, so I 1735 02:03:01.760 --> 02:03:05.039 don't I haven't seen a change or an uptick. Yeah, I guess is 1736 02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:08.800 what I'm getting at. You know, No, I completely get that, 1737 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:11.239 and I agree with you as well. I mean, every growing up, 1738 02:03:11.279 --> 02:03:13.960 everything was the devil. You know. My mama would tell me the devil 1739 02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:16.520 made me do it. That was one of the most common like phrases in 1740 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:20.640 our entire household. Was the devil made me do it, and not today's 1741 02:03:20.680 --> 02:03:25.079 satan and not today's satan. I said that so much, Oh my god. 1742 02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:29.479 But anyway, No, you're absolutely right, and it is something I 1743 02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:32.399 was and dated with growing up, and I completely understand where you're coming from. 1744 02:03:32.840 --> 02:03:36.520 I think my point of view kind of pulls more away from paranormal and 1745 02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:42.279 goes more into a spiritualistic side of things, just because we research so much 1746 02:03:42.319 --> 02:03:45.439 when it comes to the occult, you know, we research all branches of 1747 02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:50.079 high strangeness, paranormal, cryptids, UFOs, and a cult, and so 1748 02:03:50.319 --> 02:03:57.239 I think that my views on the occult kind of led into this paranormal satanic 1749 02:03:57.279 --> 02:04:02.439 panic discussion as well. But yeahs as someone who also is in some online 1750 02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:06.960 occult circles and and some people that I know, I don't personally see it, 1751 02:04:08.159 --> 02:04:11.199 I think it could be a matter of perspective, and I as far 1752 02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:15.760 as the Satanic panic coming back, and I think we have something that they 1753 02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:21.319 didn't have in the eighties and nineties, which is limitless information and an ability 1754 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:26.039 for everyone to have a platform like as much as as much bad that that 1755 02:04:26.199 --> 02:04:30.680 comes with we have. Eric was talking about the West Memphis three. One 1756 02:04:30.720 --> 02:04:36.159 of those guys is Damien Ekels, and he is a ritual magician. You 1757 02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:40.239 know, he was like famous for he was hanging out with Johnny dep and 1758 02:04:40.239 --> 02:04:42.800 stuff, and he's trying to get out. He credits magic for getting him 1759 02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:45.920 out of prison. He was on death row for eighteen years solitary confinement. 1760 02:04:46.520 --> 02:04:49.920 But now he has an online following. He talks about high magic and what 1761 02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:54.439 it really means, and he's shedding light on what happened to him back then 1762 02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:58.880 when just because he listened to Metallica or whatever and had black hair, they 1763 02:04:58.960 --> 02:05:01.479 thought, oh, you're the devil kill children. So there's a lot in 1764 02:05:02.039 --> 02:05:05.800 my circles. I see it as like a positive, yeah, like a 1765 02:05:05.880 --> 02:05:11.079 beautiful thing that's like showing people this is what it really is. It's based 1766 02:05:11.119 --> 02:05:14.159 in nature, it's based in spirituality and all this kind of stuff. So 1767 02:05:14.760 --> 02:05:17.960 once again I think we have an antidote. We can't subtract things just like 1768 02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:21.600 our thoughts. We can't subtract bad thoughts. If we try not to think 1769 02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:26.239 about something that's all we think about. We can only add positive thoughts. 1770 02:05:26.279 --> 02:05:30.960 And I think in society or culture, just keep piling on the positive shit 1771 02:05:30.479 --> 02:05:35.319 and hopefully the rest will just kind of drown in that. Well, I 1772 02:05:35.680 --> 02:05:39.479 think that's a great point to end on. Just before we go, Eric 1773 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:42.319 Brandon Mustafa, where can we find more of you? I know we have 1774 02:05:42.359 --> 02:05:44.800 a We've Hunter Discoveries to spin off if you want to talk about that real 1775 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:46.800 quick. And I want to just make sure that everyone knows if they want 1776 02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:51.199 more Eric, where can they hear that voice some more? Well, anywhere 1777 02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:55.880 you go listen to this podcast. And also I'm kind of wanted down Unseen 1778 02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:59.439 Paranormal podcast for the season, but there's like one hundred and forty episodes, 1779 02:06:00.399 --> 02:06:04.640 and I'm kicking up my new podcast where I narrate three stories a week from 1780 02:06:04.760 --> 02:06:09.600 different authors that I've gotten permission to use their stories, True paranormal stories, 1781 02:06:09.600 --> 02:06:12.479 true stories, and missing people, weird true crime, all kind of a 1782 02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:17.119 cob things has strangeness, just anything strange and it's called Strange Chapters and it'll 1783 02:06:17.119 --> 02:06:21.479 be on all podcast platforms and YouTube as well. But I'm all over social 1784 02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:26.159 media as well, so come say on Facebook or Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn. 1785 02:06:27.079 --> 02:06:29.760 Yeah, we have a new spinoff series of Haunt of Discoveries. Mistop 1786 02:06:29.760 --> 02:06:31.279 and I are going to start shooting a couple of weeks from today. But 1787 02:06:31.800 --> 02:06:36.039 it's called Hunt of Discoveries Family Spirits, and it's about people that have come 1788 02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:41.000 in contact with their deceased loved ones and relatives and where we're telling that through 1789 02:06:41.039 --> 02:06:45.560 a testimonial type show where we not only speak about these experiences they've had with 1790 02:06:45.800 --> 02:06:51.840 their deceased relatives, but also recreating that and also diving into the genealogy behind 1791 02:06:53.479 --> 02:06:58.039 their family's life and how does that connect to what we call, you know, 1792 02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:01.079 the ghost gene So we're excited about that show and we're excited to announce 1793 02:07:01.159 --> 02:07:05.239 more once we have more information about where you can watch it, and I 1794 02:07:05.319 --> 02:07:08.800 can't wait for that. So what about you, Tyler, what do you 1795 02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:12.279 have going on apart from Phantom Farm. Well, if you want to follow 1796 02:07:12.399 --> 02:07:15.239 someone who never posts on social media, you can follow at Tyler Terry now 1797 02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:21.000 on Elon musk Land or whatever it's being called now Instagram or whatever, you 1798 02:07:21.079 --> 02:07:26.359 know. I haven't even started filming, but working on a series called Finding 1799 02:07:26.439 --> 02:07:30.720 Nothing that is not dissimilar to what Brandon just described. I'm kind of diving 1800 02:07:30.760 --> 02:07:35.479 into my family history. I have family from and around Harland, Kentucky, 1801 02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:40.520 like Lecture and Cumberland Gap in places like that, going to go down and 1802 02:07:41.760 --> 02:07:44.680 kind of get all their stories. They're all getting older, get their stories 1803 02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:48.359 and some history behind it, and kind of study the land. And of 1804 02:07:48.520 --> 02:07:53.319 course, like every white family in the South, they think we're related to 1805 02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:58.680 famous Native Americans. So I'd like to get into some genealogy stuff and capture 1806 02:07:58.720 --> 02:08:01.359 that process. If this is what true, this is what's not. And 1807 02:08:01.439 --> 02:08:07.000 I just think there are many avenues to explore that's not just paranormal, that 1808 02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:11.239 can be very entertaining and relatable if I keep it personal and honest. So 1809 02:08:13.159 --> 02:08:15.880 that's what's coming. But like I said, haven't you started filming? Just 1810 02:08:16.479 --> 02:08:20.199 getting everything together for that awesome well. I appreciate everyone for joining. I 1811 02:08:20.239 --> 02:08:22.600 know we went a little longer than we expected. I know everyone has a 1812 02:08:22.640 --> 02:08:26.880 busy schedule, so thank you all so much for joining. We'll have to 1813 02:08:26.920 --> 02:08:28.600 do this again. I can't wait to meet everyone at the Tennessee Hanson Legends 1814 02:08:28.640 --> 02:08:33.479 Expo. And that's all I've got. All right, Well, Brittany and 1815 02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:35.640 Tyler, that was a lot of fun. Was it what you guys expected? 1816 02:08:35.720 --> 02:08:37.479 That's that's what I really want to know, because I didn't have any 1817 02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:41.159 expectations going into this. No, I really didn't either. I'm not sure 1818 02:08:41.239 --> 02:08:45.239 what I was expecting, but I'm pleasantly pleased. I think we had a 1819 02:08:45.279 --> 02:08:50.119 really good conversation about the paranormal. I also didn't have any expectations. I 1820 02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:52.720 just thought it was really cool and they were really chill and open about everything. 1821 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:56.680 So yeah, it's always nice to see because there's there's We talked about 1822 02:08:56.680 --> 02:08:58.600 the gate keeping in the paranormal way too often, so it's nice to have 1823 02:08:58.720 --> 02:09:01.680 the the opposite of that. I kind of knew what we were getting into 1824 02:09:01.720 --> 02:09:07.359 anyway, from doing homework on those guys, so I had a feeling it 1825 02:09:07.399 --> 02:09:09.720 would be like them, Well, good deal. So unless you guys, 1826 02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:11.760 either of you this is weird. Do Tyler or Brittany have anything else to 1827 02:09:11.800 --> 02:09:16.479 add? No, I'm done, I do not. All right, Well, 1828 02:09:16.560 --> 02:09:20.119 is that being said, we're going to add our first paranormal round table 1829 02:09:20.439 --> 02:09:24.279 to our never ending, never ending, but are always growing, always growing 1830 02:09:24.920 --> 02:10:01.840 tails from the dark the