WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:13.000 Hello, and welcome to this episode of Superhero Ethics. Friends. As many 2 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.480 of you know, a couple of weeks ago, we got the sad news 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:19.079 that Carl Weathers had passed away. And Carl Weathers had been a really big 4 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.480 part of a lot of the franchises that we talk about here on Superhero Ethics. 5 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:25.760 He had a very long and storied career as an actor as well as 6 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:29.559 a football player before that. And because of the way he had kept showing 7 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:32.359 up in different things we love, I wanted to get a couple of people 8 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:36.799 together and talk about Carl Weathers and you know, the acting that he had 9 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.359 done and the role he'd played in different franchises we loved. And so I'm 10 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:45.399 here with Paul Hoppey and Ashley Coffin to talk about mister Carl Weathers. So 11 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.960 Ashley, let me start with you, if you'll also introduce yourself for those 12 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:51.320 who haven't heard you in a little bit, but you've been a Fredie who 13 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:55.640 has been listening to these podcasts actually is a very frequent guest. But actually, 14 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.799 what when you think of Carl Weathers, what is the first like piece 15 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:00.240 of media that you think of him or the first thing you saw him in 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.680 so Carl weather It's very interesting. So Carl Weathers was a huge deal for 17 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:10.400 me growing up, first because Predator was like one of my absolute favorite movies. 18 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.159 I used to watch it all the time. And secondly, I'm from 19 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:17.200 Philadelphia and very much like The Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus, you don't find 20 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:21.799 out until much older that Rocky is just a movie. So we do everything. 21 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:23.280 We kind of convince ourselves that that was a real person and a real 22 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:27.799 story and full of real other people. So it is, you know, 23 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:33.760 just this this hero who has always kind of been in my life throughout you 24 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:37.319 know, being an eighties baby and such. But it's not just the movies. 25 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:41.640 It's like the best of the best movies that you rewatched through your entire 26 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:46.359 lives. So yeah, I don't know, like we do this in Philly. 27 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.680 We just have this special connection with anyone who was involved with Rocky. 28 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.959 It's kind of takes it to this other level. Yeah. I hadn't really 29 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:59.000 thought about how much that connection is there until I saw the movie Trading Places 30 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.480 as a kid, which also takes place largely in Philadelphia, and in the 31 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:06.760 opening scene where they're establishing like the famous sites of Philadelphia. They show the 32 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.680 livery Bell, they show statues of like Ben Franklin and other founding fathers, 33 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.360 and they show a statue of Rocky belt Bell, which in the third movie 34 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:19.000 was erected in that city. So, Paul, what about yourself? Yeah, 35 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.840 I mean I'd seen things that Carl Weathers had been in, I'd seen 36 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.400 Rocky, I'd seen a bunch of things, but it was really actually when 37 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:30.680 he played himself on Arrested Development that I really came to appreciate him, particularly, 38 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:36.039 you know, especially as an actor. I think actors playing themselves, 39 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:40.719 like, especially in a comic role, is it just so often? Is 40 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:51.639 fantastic and his is one of the best. Yep. Yeah. In preparation 41 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.400 for this, I asked a lot of people, like, when I say 42 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:57.919 Carl Weathers, what's the first thing you think of? Rocky was very common 43 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.719 Star Wars, his roles Beef Karga and also a director for the TV show 44 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:07.360 Mandalorian was pretty common. Predator came up a lot, and also the Adam 45 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:12.080 Sandlers movies where he played Chubbs. I have not seen those, but it's 46 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.039 one more thing we'll talk about. And for me, it was also very 47 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.599 much Rocky Rocky were some of those movies like Star Wars where I don't really 48 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.080 remember a time when I hadn't watched them. Interesting also because I go back 49 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:28.159 and rewatched Rocky and I think it's a very good movie. I think it's 50 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.000 a movie made in a very particular time and place with a very particular class 51 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:38.199 and racial message that's really kind of uncomfortable today. But that Sylvester Stallone himself 52 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:40.759 has been very upfront about, which is part of why he's been very involved 53 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:45.120 in the Creed movies, which is a whole other part of it. But 54 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:46.840 that was where I knew Carl Weather's from, and you know, first knew 55 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.639 him, of course as the villain and then of course the holler Creed, 56 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:54.639 but who then comes on to train Rocky in Rocky three and goes on to 57 00:03:54.680 --> 00:04:01.080 tragically lose his life to Drago in Rocky four exactly exactly, terribly unfair fight. 58 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.719 And one thing I thought was really interesting was when Carl Weathers passed away, 59 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.520 like I definitely had a moment like, well, that's sad. And 60 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.199 I am not someone who generally is affected by celebrity deaths, especially if there's 61 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.360 someone who is for the most part stopped working because in my mind, like 62 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.399 you know, the death of any human being is sad, but if I 63 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:26.240 have no direct connection to the person, then it's not really something that affects 64 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:30.639 me accepting so much as and this is going to sound very so focused, 65 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.399 I don't mean it that way, but you know, if they are actively 66 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.079 creating media that I'm interested in, and now that is not going to keep 67 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:41.199 happening because they've passed away. For example, like with Ray Peterson who passed 68 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:46.000 passed away after doing Ahsoka but was clearly supposed to be in you know, 69 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.800 the next part to those stories, that's when it hits me a little bit 70 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.959 more. And with Carl Weathers that was definitely the case because he has been 71 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.319 a big part of the cast of Mandalorian, but also this had a director 72 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.439 of I think some of the better episodes Mandalorian. But what was interesting to 73 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:04.720 me was seeing so many other people and thing people who weren't Star Wars fans 74 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.279 come out and talk about, you know, how sad they were about this, 75 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:13.959 and realizing he's had this very interesting career of like I just named a 76 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.120 whole bunch of things that he's been in that people really love and remember him 77 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:23.480 from none of which he was the star of, and like he was the 78 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.399 star of a couple of movies that I don't think anybody remembers. And I 79 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.199 think there's something really interesting of an actor like this who is well known and 80 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.360 loved but not ever for like being the headliner. He's always a secondary character, 81 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:39.240 but often either one that is as the antagonist or as the sort of 82 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:43.399 helper to our friend, or as a very important part of the plot but 83 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.040 not necessarily the driver of the plot. It's interesting with him to start at 84 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:50.680 the beginning of his career because he did play college football for the San Diego 85 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:56.480 as Text before playing I think professionally for the Raiders. Ye. So I 86 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.759 can only think of one other person who was like a professional football and then 87 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.519 like famous and acting and we all know what I'm talking about. But Ryan 88 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:16.360 Boswell, I believe is his name with oj Simpson. Wow wow, but 89 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:21.680 you're probably right too, but yeah, it is. You know, it 90 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.720 is crazy to think like that's you know, where he started and then got 91 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:30.720 this. He's just so charming, like he just seems like a really nice 92 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.759 guy and we know that he is kind of like I love the feud between 93 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.040 him and Stallone that like stretch over a couple decades and that they worked it 94 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:41.399 out. It's just important that they worked it out. But I love it 95 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:45.680 the tea And it's funny because you know, there's a lot of professional athletes 96 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:49.839 who then then go on to be in movies or TV shows with varying levels 97 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:55.319 of success. You're right, Oji Simpson probably the most famous. Brian Bosworth 98 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.519 much nearer the bottom of that. But a lot of times I think of 99 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.439 them as people who were primarily athletes who then you know, appear on screen 100 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:08.120 must be playing themselves. I didn't realized Carl Weather's not like got a college 101 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:11.959 degree, but he got a master's in theatrical arts from college. And he'd 102 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:16.079 always said he wanted to be an actor first and foremost. And apparently John 103 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.160 Madden cut him from the Raiders because, in Madden's words, he was quote 104 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:26.720 too sensitive to play football. I feel like Madden's cut off for that. 105 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:31.160 That's probably like a low bar to clear height. Yeah you know, but 106 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:36.000 but yeah, I mean, I so I think it's I think we're lucky 107 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:42.879 that Madden caught him, because you know, we got Carl Weather's career in 108 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.680 all these things where he does play. You know, I was, I 109 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:46.879 was looking over IMDb, and I was like, oh, yeah, he 110 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.360 was in Psych, Like he was an episode of Psych, which like I 111 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.800 watched every episode of that show, so like I saw that episode and he's 112 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.120 you know, he's got like one episode in this series, one episode in 113 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:03.040 this series. And you know, he wasn't often like the main star of 114 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:09.839 something, but I think he always really brought something very I mean, his 115 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:18.600 voice is so like strong and rich and carries so much authority and character. 116 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.879 And then he also you can see it's like oh yeah, yeah, of 117 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:24.040 course he was like an athlete, you know. I mean he has this 118 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.720 physicality, yeah, to just his presence, like when he's doing stuff. 119 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.240 Yeah, but he doesn't even have to be doing anything. He can just 120 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.720 be standing there or sitting there, and there's a physicality to his presence that 121 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.679 then when you know, when he's then running around shooting a blaster or something, 122 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:46.039 it feels just completely believable. And you know, the Mandalorian was the 123 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:52.480 thing you know that most recently of course, you know, I had seen 124 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.320 him in or the thing that came out recently most recently, and I actually 125 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:58.360 in order to in order to do this podcast. I had to make sure 126 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.320 to rewatch the first two seasons of The Mandalorian, of course, and get 127 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.080 my mom to watch them all. A great sacrifice, A deep, deep 128 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.639 sacrifice. Did she like it? She did? Yeah, yeah, for 129 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.240 the most part. I mean there's a lot of killing. There's like I 130 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.399 get some boys like this is very vital killing for Disney, it is. 131 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.440 Yeah. Yeah. But like I mean, I'll just say, like Star 132 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.159 Wars is something that the original movies and like for most of the series, 133 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:33.919 I think has a real problem with age, where they basically always need the 134 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:39.080 hero to be like twenty ish early twenties, and then like older characters are 135 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:46.279 basically exist to either mentor the main character and then die, or to be 136 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.799 the antagonist against the main character and then die. And like you know, 137 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.120 Carl Weathers was like seventy in his seventies when when he's doing Mandalorian, and 138 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.399 I mean I was actually surprised. I was like, oh wow, yeah, 139 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.399 like like you know, I mean I thought he he seems like maybe 140 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.679 in his fifties or something, and not that like seeming younger should be like 141 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.000 the main compliment, you know, but like the point being that, like 142 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.080 I think his role in that show, I think breaks a lot of expectations 143 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.279 about what it means, you know, to be in your seventies and be 144 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.200 an actor and be in a Star Wars production. You know, well, 145 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.759 I will say that. I think that also is what made it a little 146 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.120 bit more shocking, because he did look like, you know, he was 147 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.480 right doing great. And then so maybe, yeah, he was born in 148 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.240 nineteen forty six, which means that he was you know, seventy seven or 149 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.480 so when he passed away. It was seventy six twenty times, which is 150 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.159 still you know, like yeah, which, yeah, if you thought he 151 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.480 was in his fifties, it's one more surprising. You know, obviously people 152 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:48.360 can live far beyond their mid mid to late seventies, but that's also a 153 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.559 much more common age where it's like, okay, it's not surprising some one 154 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.919 passes away at that time and there's not the physicality of him. I remember 155 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.200 thinking about this, especially because actually you brought the movie Creditor. I watched 156 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.840 that recently because on the True Story FM podcast network, our parent network, 157 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.600 they had done an episode about the movie Predator, and so I decided to 158 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:16.279 rewatch the movie one night, and like they very intentionally have Carl Weathers in 159 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.759 a tank top showing off very large muscles, and I mean he's up against 160 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:26.080 Schwarzenegger and does not look like a small person, like he looks like him 161 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.919 and Schwarzenegger train at the same gym and are part of the same military unit. 162 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.799 And Schwartzeneeder is the biggest guy in the unit. But Weathers definitely looks 163 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:35.639 like he can hold himself pound for pound. I mean, his muscles were 164 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.799 like And they have him in a suit early in the episode, and it's 165 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.840 like some tailor is fixing the seams on the biceps of that suit jacket every 166 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.919 single day. They do before the handshake. Yep, it's my favorite. 167 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:56.399 That's a that's a high bar to clear to stand next to to next to 168 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.360 Arnold in a tank top and not look tiny. So yeah, exactly exactly. 169 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:03.840 Let's go through the different things that he's done. And I'm actually start 170 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.840 at the beginning. I don't know how much you guys know about these movies, 171 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.960 but with the Rocky movies, and first I think, actually you said 172 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.000 you kind of grew up with them being taught to you as you know, 173 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.840 Philadelphia local history, and later deserving them. He so do you see the 174 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:18.320 movies or were they just like part of the lexicon. Oh? Yeah, 175 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.960 I mean we I feel like Rocky was always the movie that was on around 176 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.720 the like holidays. It's almost like, you know, the super Bowl, 177 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.879 there's Rocky, there's the things that happen around that time, and we just 178 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.559 you know, you just watch and watch and watch and it, you know, 179 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.440 it just becomes part of the lifestyle. And then it well, it's 180 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.600 like because he's the bad guy, but then he comes back as the good 181 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.360 guy and then you're like, oh, you love him. It's funny how 182 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.120 easily you can just switch sides from you know, we don't like this guy 183 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.519 too, Yeah we love him. Yeah. What about you, Paul? 184 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.279 Were they movies you saw? So I only have seen the first Rocky movie 185 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.840 and the first Creed movie. Okay, I think, Wait, did I 186 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.039 see some like Rocky seven or twelve or something? You never saw Rocky too? 187 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.639 You never saw him? Win? I did not. I did not. 188 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.000 Yeah, I only saw the first Rocky movie, and I saw it 189 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:15.879 when I was like in my early twenties. I think no, definitely, 190 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:22.360 and I was I was practicing martial arts seriously at the time, And yeah, 191 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.639 I think it's a really actually a really good movie, you know that. 192 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:31.320 I think it's not like just like a random sports movie, and I 193 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:33.919 would I would push back on the word villain, like you do you think 194 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.879 he was a villain or just like the antagonists slash rival kind of when you're 195 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:43.279 from Philadelphia, anybody who's against your you know town, right right, right 196 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.559 is a villain. Everybody that the Eagles play is a villain. Yes, 197 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.799 right, yeah, look they boot Santa Claus, Okay, have their own 198 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.919 team. We just do things that are right. Yeah, yeah, I 199 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.759 will, I will take back the word villain. Well, I think that's 200 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.200 you said. In fact, I think, you know, like I said, 201 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.879 as someone who watched the movies very early, at a very early age, 202 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.440 and like I would act out the boxing scenes but have no real idea 203 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.799 like all the levels happening in the movie and then rewatching it later. In 204 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:18.679 many ways, I think it is his his acting as Apollo Creed that really 205 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.600 helps to save the movie from not kind of going off the edge that it 206 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.799 could. Because I agree with Paul, I think it's a very well made 207 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.679 movie. Won Best won the Academy Awards the Best Movie, and I think 208 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.360 deservedly so. And I mentioned that, like some of it's kind of uncomfortable 209 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:35.679 because it is about, you know, a white working class hero taking on 210 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.759 the person who's very clearly a Muhammad Ali stand in. He's very showy, 211 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.799 he's very savvy, and I think it's easy to look at the movie and 212 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.840 say, oh, this is supposed to be about the great white hero pushing 213 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:56.759 back against you know, uppity black people, and people who see Rocky that 214 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.600 way in the movie are definitely in the movie. But I think that one 215 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.559 of the key points of it is that Rocky himself is trying to push back 216 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.919 against that. And the way Carl Weathers played Apollo Creed really speaks to that 217 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.480 because he does what is clearly a Muhammad Ali you know, stand in without 218 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.879 it becoming parody and without it becoming black exploitation satire kind of a thing, 219 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.519 you know. He he's portrayed as this very savvy businessman and someone who was 220 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.600 also like even his character, especially in the second movie, is kind of 221 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.039 trapped by the expectations of you know, oh, is a black man, 222 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.759 You're supposed to do even better than anyone else, and how could you have 223 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.519 this white guy almost beat you and stuff like that. And I'm just really 224 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.799 watching it again. I was really impressed with his acting, as it would 225 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.000 have been very easy to just throw off Zingers and be this beautiful black man, 226 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:46.720 which he very much is, but he really takes the role a lot 227 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.240 deeper, and I think it's a I don't think his part is big enough 228 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.519 for him to get nominated for anything, but I think he was a very 229 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.320 important part of making the movie as good as it was. Yeah, well, 230 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.480 still don't put everything that he was into the making of that movie. 231 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.639 So every role was cast with intention and like there was a reason that, 232 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:10.960 you know, Carl got that role. Yeah, and then, as you 233 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:15.159 said, in later movies, who goes on to be the the the antagonist 234 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.200 again in the second one and then the third he comes back to help train 235 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:22.639 our hero after he has defeated Hulk Hogan but lost to mister t proving that 236 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:27.120 the A team can beat up professional wrestlers. And and there's this great, 237 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:30.799 you know, I of the Tiger idea that that that comes from. That's 238 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.600 where the Tiger comes from. And it's very much about everything has been set 239 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.519 up till now in Philadelphia, and the gym's there, and this is now 240 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.559 about Apollo Creed taking Rocky back to La back to his part of the world, 241 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.679 and yeah, it just it's the movies go downhill pretty solidly after the 242 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.600 first. But but his roles are always a lot of fun. And I 243 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.360 mean just in terms of the role, like, that's a hard role to 244 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:00.240 pull off where you have to be you have to have the physicality and the 245 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.319 athleticism to be able to convincingly convincingly look like a professional boxer, not just 246 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:10.599 professional boxer, but a champion, right, and then also have the charisma 247 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.000 to you know, do the kind of like show business kind of kind of 248 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:21.279 side of the role. And you know, I think that's like a perfect 249 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.279 role for him, Yeah, because he has shows. Yeah, because especially 250 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:26.519 when you think of someone being a professional athlete, you're like, Okay, 251 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.279 this person's going to meet a meathead, you know, and that's very much 252 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.240 not who he is. Well, you do have a lot of athletes who 253 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.880 just like have that pizaz thing, and I feel like he could have been 254 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.640 one of them. Imagine if he kept going and was like, yeah, 255 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.759 great in a quarterback, he would have that right right. Yeah. And 256 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.559 it's interesting because then he plays kind of a similar role in Predator, which 257 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.279 I imagine I'm the only one who's seen in the last ten years. I 258 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.440 watched Predator once a year. Oh okay, no, you seed a lot 259 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.559 of one night. Yeah, that's my I think we've decided in this household 260 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:04.960 that Predator or is the best action movie ever made. Yeah, I've never 261 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:11.559 seen Predator. I don't know. It is a good movie. It's very 262 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:17.960 actually looks betrayed positively, just like deeply stricken. Oh, I have an 263 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:19.440 episode that we're doing some point over the summer. I think, yeah, 264 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:25.839 please don't watch it until we can talk about it. Then, Okay, 265 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.799 yeah, I know you're not something an instant reaction. I like that. 266 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.240 I did because, I mean I understand I've seen Alien Verse, Predator No, 267 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:38.720 not very good, not very good one. It's really bad. And 268 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:45.359 I I have seen like five minutes of Predator when it was on somewhere, 269 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:49.759 so I'm Predator. But I mean it's a horror movie basically, right, 270 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.960 I mean it's actually the horror one, the one. Now, did you 271 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.039 ever see the Monster Squad? No, never mind, No, I mean 272 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:00.559 I'm familiar with the idea of Predator. I was just going to say the 273 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.960 makeup inspired that much of it. Oh okay, Okay, Yeah, I 274 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.559 would say it's an action movie more than a horror movie, but it has 275 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.640 some like okay, it's side fi. Yeah, but in it what the 276 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.559 ray I said is kind of a similar role because Carl Weathers plays again someone 277 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:22.079 who is very clearly like a special Forces guy with the same physicality of Schwarzenegger. 278 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:23.880 But the idea is that he's now gone to work for the CIA. 279 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.000 Oh okay, And I won't spoil anything in terms of the role he plays, 280 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.640 but he they kind of tease him about like, oh, you were 281 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.039 always the smart one on the team, right, and he has the charisma 282 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.680 and the responsibility there, and again he really shines in that role. Yeah, 283 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:42.359 and I'll say, like a lot of athletes have charisma, but to 284 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.960 be able to pull off your charisma on screen is like another thing, you 285 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.079 know, Like that's a different that's a different skill to be able to. 286 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.119 I mean, there's some people who might not even have that much charisma person 287 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.680 to person, but then like on screen, all of a sudden, you 288 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:59.039 know, they bring out now fall into that loop of just oh, I'm 289 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.599 the same person in every movie. I'm just this guy, right, I'm 290 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:06.480 just playing myself. It's like, yeah, or this particular character that's just 291 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:08.119 you can put them into any movie. It's like, no, this is 292 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:14.880 an actual person here with their own you know, subtleties and motivations. And 293 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.279 especially with both Apollo Creed and his character and Predator I forget the name of 294 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.640 in Maywea, it's not even just a chrisma. It's the intelligence, because 295 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.400 these are both characters who are thought to be like able to come out smart 296 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.559 everybody else and be a couple of steps ahead of them and in terms of 297 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:37.359 the game, and I think intelligence is often actually Dylan. Sorry out Dylan, 298 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.400 I'll do it. I was like, it's right there. I was 299 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.559 just like, Matt, Matt, Matt, it's not Matt Dylan, that's 300 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.240 his. Uh. Now, from there, I think we go into the 301 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.200 Adam Sandler of it all. And I am not an Adam Sandler fan, 302 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:53.799 so I have not seen those appearances of his. I believe he's a he 303 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:57.319 plays the sort of very aggressive professional golfer. I would say, if you 304 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:02.359 don't like Adam Sandler movie, he's the one to watch. Is probably Happy 305 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:07.160 Gilmore. Okay, that's the golfing one, right, yeah, Yeah, 306 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.000 And if you like golf at all, because it's not him doing like the 307 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.880 Billy Maddison like I'm just doing baby voice and swan and blah blah blah. 308 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:19.519 This one actually has a pretty good story and Carl's great in it. It 309 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:23.559 is very funny. So who does Carl play? Is he again an antagonist? 310 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:29.559 He is like an old golf professional who's going to teach him how to 311 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.359 like up his golf game so we can win this tournament to help his grandma 312 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:34.559 who's going to lose her house, and he has to make money, like 313 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:38.440 that's what happened Happy, And he has this just crazy hit so he can 314 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.799 drive the ball, but he's not good on the putting when you get out 315 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.160 to the thing. And that's where Carl comes in. So he this is 316 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:52.960 Rocky three Carl. It's all in the hips, because I know Adam Sandler 317 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.960 loves movies to be self referential. In the like is there a reference to 318 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:00.519 the to teaching Happy Gilmour The Eye of the Tiger? I don't think so, 319 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.920 Okay, I really don't. It's been a lot, it's been a 320 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:10.680 minute. Listeners write it in. I guarantee I would bet my house that 321 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.359 in some version of a script that line was in there. Maybe Carl Weathers 322 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.400 was like nah, he was all smooth jazz about it. He was like, 323 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.440 you know, and then he has this alligator who's after him. It's 324 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:26.759 a whole thing. Nice. Nice, And I have not I've watched very 325 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:36.079 few. I was about to say, Billy Madison movies, h and tell 326 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:38.440 me about him in Arrested Development, because I vaguely he's playing a version of 327 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.680 himself who is kind of how I remember, kind of a little down on 328 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.440 his luck and kind of like making money off of being Carl Weathers. But 329 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:51.839 I don't really remember much more. Yeah, so I mean he plays himself 330 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:59.359 and I think he's he's an acting coach for that's right, it's Tobias Tobias 331 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:02.680 Fume kids. He's just like he's like, I'm going to make us money 332 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:07.839 back. Yeah, Lindsay's husband, right, and like he's a very struggling 333 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:15.759 actor and you know, therapist and he's yeah and so like and then like 334 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:22.319 Carl Weathers will like pop up just like randomly from time to time and yeah, 335 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:27.880 he's like funny and kind of threatening and like yeah, you know, 336 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.279 and it's it's just it's one of those things where it's like he's clearly not 337 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:40.000 taking himself too seriously. You know. It's it's like like the the Matt 338 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:48.599 Damon cameo in Entourage, or the Keanu Reeves cameo in Always Be My Maybe, 339 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.279 where like they're playing like kind of ridiculous versions on themselves. Yeah, 340 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.519 you know, I mean it's not maybe quite as out there, but it's 341 00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:00.480 like within the context of the show, it's just like it like it pops, 342 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:07.839 you know, in a way. Neil Patrick Harris playing himself like a 343 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:12.599 parody version of himself in the uh White Castle, the White Castle, Will 344 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:18.440 and Kumark go to White Castle always strikes me for sure. It's good that 345 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.240 uh, it's good when people can laugh at themselves very much. But he 346 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:29.119 Carl So, Carl Well he got the role of Apollo Creed because he made 347 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:37.759 fun of Stallone his He criticized his acting in the Uh Yeah, and that 348 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.160 led to him getting the role like, oh, we have this like thing 349 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:47.279 that we can work with. And then like years later, when Stallone was 350 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:51.359 doing the newer One, he asked whether it's mister t and Dulph longeran from 351 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:56.480 permission to use their footage from the appearances in the earlier Rocker Mo Rocky movies 352 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:02.400 and mister t and Longren uh agree, But Carl was like, I want 353 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:06.680 to part in the movie. And he's like, but your character's dead, 354 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.960 and he's like, I don't care, Like I want to be in and 355 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.359 Stallone refused, and Weathers decided to not let him use his image for the 356 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.160 flashbacks from the previous films, So they use footage from Fighter which looks similar 357 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.799 to Weathers, but they did patch up their differences, and then Weathers agreed 358 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:30.599 to allow them to use footage for what Creed the twenty fifteen one. Yeah, 359 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.079 yeah, because Creed is about Apollo, Creed's son, right, so 360 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:42.079 you would think he would let it. Yeah. He was like, no, 361 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:47.000 I want to be back from the dead, and they're like, I 362 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:52.160 can't do that. Like Apollo had a twin brother and now he's coming to 363 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.119 a venge. See that's not that hard. See now you can kind of 364 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.680 see where he was coming from, exactly right, exactly now. Actually, 365 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:03.240 I think of you as one of the first people who knows most about the 366 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.960 sort of behind the scenes inside Hollywood tea kind of situations. I know that 367 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:14.599 during the eighties and nineties Stallone and Schwarzenegger had this big rivalry with each other. 368 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.880 Weathers was on screen with both of them. Was he did he ever 369 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.599 take a side in the Stallone sworts? I think that he was just super 370 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.160 cool about it, Like I never heard that he took a side, But 371 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.000 he was just friends with everybody, and that's what you got to do. 372 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.519 You just have to. And I feel like he kind of rode that through 373 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.720 his entire career, like nobody ever seemed to have an actual problem with Carl 374 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.319 Brothers, Like he was just the cool guy that everybody liked. And that's 375 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.079 what you got to do in life, in work, you have to find 376 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:45.680 that sweet spot so you could just coast through. I have not figured that 377 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:52.440 out yet. Oh, if I very much am not. I can't imagine 378 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:53.960 Paul would be very good at that. I was going to say that sounds 379 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.640 very relatable to me. They're kind of like being friends with two people who 380 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:02.640 are mad at each other and seeing both of their perspectives and why each of 381 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:03.599 them is mad at the other and be like, Okay, I see where 382 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.400 you're coming from, but I also see where they're coming from. But I'm 383 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.240 not going to talk too much about their perspective unless I feel like you're in 384 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.079 a in a mood, in a mindset where this might be a good time, 385 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.160 you know, and like kind of trying to help people sort of square 386 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.079 things away. But like if that's not where they're at, like that's okay. 387 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:23.640 We could just be friends and then I can be friends with this other 388 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:27.559 person, and like it's just it's okay, it's okay. Useful skill. 389 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:32.160 It's a useful skill. It has its place. One thing that I really 390 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.359 love is his uh. I looked on his IMDb today and his movie career 391 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:41.480 began in nineteen seventy three, and it's just like and you know, passing 392 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.960 in twenty twenty three. It's just this like time capsule of the best of 393 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:52.480 the best of you know, film movies, evolving cinema, and he got 394 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.240 to be involved with all of it. Yeah, Like if you watch that 395 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.839 first Rocky movie, it's from nineteen seventy six, and it is, as 396 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.039 I agree with Paul, it's a very good movie. It is a real 397 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.680 picture of how much movies have changed in fifty years. Yes, I would 398 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:14.960 say the average word per dial average like word per minute of dialogue in that 399 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.839 movie is half as much as most modern movies today. And granted it's because 400 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.519 like a lot of it is you know, fight montages and training montages and 401 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:29.920 stuff like that, but also just there's so much said in silences and in 402 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.359 looks people give each other and just these like sweeping shots you know, of 403 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.000 things, and so yeah, it's just kind of like a trip back of 404 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.160 memory lane of how movies used to be made. Yeah, I mean it's 405 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:47.079 a half century of you know, to go from shooting on film in Rocky 406 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.720 to you know, shooting in front of the volume on the Mandalorian where it's 407 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:56.000 just like it's a totally different process, right, I mean you're, yeah, 408 00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.440 you're still standing somewhere pretending to be someone you're not, unless you're pretending 409 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.200 to be you, it's a different version of you that you're not. But 410 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.359 like, you know, so like the core skill is the same, but 411 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.960 just like what's surrounding you and the way the process is, you know, 412 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:18.039 the technical side has changed so much, and you know, the the number 413 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.359 of scenes or number of shots you know, per minute or per hour, 414 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.960 per per movie, you know, has has changed dramatically and personally, I 415 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:33.559 really do enjoy older styles of filmmaking a lot and enjoy when we see more 416 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.720 of that in in modern films, you know, I mean like speaking of 417 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.920 the volume, and you know, the same director of photography as a Mandalorian 418 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:48.039 like The Batman, I think, has probably a lot fewer scenes per hour. 419 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.640 Maybe not per movie because it's so long, but you know, but 420 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.799 like just a willingness to kind of like hang on something because it feels like, 421 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.440 yeah, this is this is how long I want this scene to be, 422 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.480 not like Okay, how long do I think someone's attention span is gonna? 423 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.319 You know, we need to like go go go. Mandalorian actually is 424 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.559 a little bit of a throwback in that way where you know, you think 425 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.240 about, like the episodes aren't that long, and so they don't necessarily always 426 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.079 hold on things that much, but like if they shot all of those episodes 427 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:23.000 at kind of the pace that a lot of things these days are shot at, 428 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.000 like maybe fifteen minutes long. Oh yeah, they remind me of old 429 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.920 seventy spaghetti western. Yes, yeah, yeah, I love like the weekly 430 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.880 show that everybody has to watch, and that's what I love about The Mandalorian, 431 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:38.839 And I hope they don't lose that as it just starts to get bigger 432 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.200 and bigger. Definitely true. Yeah, well, so let's talk with him 433 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:47.000 on the Mandaloriana And for what was your thought when you first heard the Carl 434 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.319 Weathers was gonna bet involved with this project kind of like everything else, I'm 435 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.759 like, oh, it's adorable, yay, you know, because you just 436 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.480 like him. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'd said I didn't hear that 437 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.839 he was going to be involved in it. I just saw him on it, 438 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.519 you know, because that's that's sort of how I do, but that 439 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.960 is how you did. Yeah, But like from the first episode, you 440 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.960 know, I thought he was great, and then actually he played a pivotal 441 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:18.680 role in me really getting through the Mandalorian and getting to like one of the 442 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.240 favorite Star Wars episodes of anything, like even like and orwithstanding and or like 443 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.799 you know, because when we were covering that season two, right, and 444 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:32.119 I kind of like did some episodes and not some episodes, and I wasn't 445 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:37.200 really sold on the show in season two, and then like that fourth episode 446 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.880 just like I felt like, I mean collectively, but like he was the 447 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.200 director and he was one of the main characters, one of the drivers of 448 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:52.079 the plot. It just recaptured the like a new hope like the vibe, 449 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.680 the feeling, the essence of like og Star Wars, you know, in 450 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.440 a way that just like brought me right back in, you know, and 451 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.480 and he was a huge part of that. Yeah, I want to like 452 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.880 with him in Star Wars for second sec. I want to talk about him 453 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.559 in Mandalorian for in a second. But I just want to say first one 454 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:15.079 of the things that I realized that I hadn't really thought about much since I 455 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.200 was a kid, but was kind of reminded of when I heard that he 456 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.240 was going to be in this. I think I saw him in a preview, 457 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.240 and this is kind of a self admittance of something that was not great, 458 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.160 but I think was It's kind of the illustration of how these things work 459 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.359 in our world. You know. As a young kid, I wasn't exposed 460 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.960 to a lot of black people in TV and movies and stuff like that. 461 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.480 And the two things I was watching more than anything were Rocky and Star Wars. 462 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.200 And I thought that Carl Weathers and Billy Williams were the same person. 463 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.559 So that's a big thing in our household. And I'm really glad that you 464 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:51.079 brought it up, because I didn't know how to approach it. Katie and 465 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.000 I have been under scrutiny for a very long time for our husbands because we 466 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.920 do this all the time. And I was raised with Carl Weathers and I 467 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:04.920 still do it. Yeah, it's the mustache. It's because and I know, 468 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.880 no, there's no excuse for it. No, it just happens. 469 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.759 Yeah, And I think I was probably probably on like ten or twelve when 470 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.839 I realized him doing it. And and but you know, again the way 471 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.640 race plays out or something that that happened, and so in some there's in 472 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.279 some way in my head like having Carl Weathers be in Star Wars was like, 473 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:27.000 this feels right. You know I always thought he was before. He's 474 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.880 a different person. This is good. And yeah, I'm glad other people 475 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.599 had the confusion, you know, I think again side of how you know, 476 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.400 I got a text that said, oh no, Billy Deve Williams passed 477 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:43.279 away because it is it still happens today. Yeah, no, no, 478 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.319 no, because making oh okay, got it, got it? Yep? 479 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:51.880 That makes sense. Yeah, And I was like, you can just go 480 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.759 right, you know, you could just go john yourself. Yeah, you 481 00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:00.240 can go shove yourself right in a john Yep. There are two different John 482 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.759 two different actors. But yeah, so it's real good and I agree with 483 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:07.799 you, Paul. He we'll get even in the second season for sure, 484 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.719 But even in the first season, he really feels like the moral heart of 485 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.679 the show because he is the person who is you know, he's the clear 486 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.920 closest representative of the world that Mando was leaving behind. Don't trust him. 487 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.880 You don't trust him in the beginning though, because you know, you know, 488 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.920 if you're a you know he's going to backstab someone. But he is, 489 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.119 and he didn't know. He's just part of the Guild. He's part 490 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.320 of the you know, he wants Manna to come back to the Guild and 491 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.280 then has to send people after Mando, and you know he hates doing it. 492 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:38.719 But then and then even that, yeah, you know, in the 493 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:44.000 final episodes of the first season, I don't believe he's on the up and 494 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.360 et because he wasn't. He wasn't he was going to betray him, and 495 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.920 then he got you know, scratched by a dragon and healed by a you 496 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.400 know, yeah, he felt he basically had the same thing that Mando had. 497 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.800 Manda was not planning to save this child until it like, you know, 498 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.039 it was super cute. Yeah, I still don't think to put a 499 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:07.320 spell on him, little old Jedi truck, you will take care of me. 500 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.679 But I just love how he becomes there for the part of the team 501 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.920 and he's part of the breakout, and yeah, you're right. In season 502 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.400 two he continues to be a major part of the show and season three as 503 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.719 well, which I did not rewatch because you know, just reasons, but 504 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:30.360 just because and I felt like I had enjoyed his characters and the other stuff. 505 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.440 I had never seen the emotional range though from him that I saw in 506 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.079 Mandalorian. You know, like he's not just good at being a happy, 507 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:42.760 go lucky, you know, intelligent businessman kind of you know, or like 508 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.639 sneaky operative kind of person. You know, in this he had real grief. 509 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.880 He had real you know, ups and downs and things like that, 510 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:53.119 and I grief. Well, yeah, exactly exactly, And it just he 511 00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.639 I think one thing that can be hard when you take someone who's veray known 512 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.400 for a certain kind of thing and put him into another. Like the first 513 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.480 couple of times I saw Patrick Stewart and other things, it was very weird 514 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.840 to me because to me, he's first and foremost a Starfleet captain, and 515 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.599 I get over it eventually, but it's in Carl Weather's like he seemed like 516 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.559 such a product of the eighties and of that kind of like action movie thing, 517 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.000 right, But he fit perfectly into Star Wars in a way that I 518 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.280 just because that's a seventies eighties kind of thing. Yeah, and if you're 519 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:30.320 from there, you just kind of fit right in and everyone's like ah. 520 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.000 But like I think if Schwarzenegger showed up, or Stallone showed up or some 521 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:38.360 like other they peppered Stallone and Guardians of the Galaxy, it's kind of the 522 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.239 same thing. I'm that to me as an example, Like I liked Stallone's 523 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.119 character, but he always felt super wrong to me. It always was like, 524 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:51.079 that's that's not that's not an EMCU actor, that's that's Stallone doing a 525 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:55.000 cameo in the Guardians. I agree. There are people who tend to pop 526 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:59.599 out of whatever they're in and just feel like like, yeah, this like 527 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.880 if you put Tom Cruise in a period piece, it feels weird. Yeah, 528 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.400 you know. I think that's a great example, not just because having 529 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.239 him be the main character of the Last Samurai is like a Choice, there's 530 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.159 the Last Samurai and then he was great as that blonde vampire and then oh 531 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:17.440 wait he played the stat right, Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, 532 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.559 I know he was. But he's still to me, he still feels like 533 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.559 of this era, you know, or maybe the twenty thirty forty years ago 534 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.320 era, but like there's there's a there's a feeling to him that feels like 535 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.440 I feel like some people feel like they're of their time, and then there's 536 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.199 some people who feel like timeless, and then maybe there's some people who feel 537 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.199 like they're not in the right time, you know. But like just I 538 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.199 just feel like there's certain certain actors, you know, who just feels like, 539 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.079 yeah, you can you can PLoP them in certain periods and it's like, 540 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.000 ah, yeah, I can see that person being in Victorian England, 541 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.920 you know, or being in you know, like I haven't seen The Great 542 00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:04.519 Wall another like Curious Choice movie, but like I feel like Matt Damon Matamon 543 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.199 yeah, and like Willem Dafoe. I'm like, I actually really want to 544 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.719 see it now, and I have a lot of bits on it, but 545 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:15.119 like I've never laughed so hard you've seen it? Oh yeah, oh yeah, 546 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.199 just I could watch it for free Stone off the yet Yeah, yeah, 547 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.880 I feel like just and granted the most recent Dunkin Donuts accent does not 548 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:29.639 help this. My brain will automatically add a Boston accent to anything else. 549 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:31.800 He met Damning today. I'm sorry about the donuts. He was like, 550 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.400 I'm so sorry. I appreciate I laughed. I did laugh at I watched 551 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.960 The Martian recently and kept thinking something was off with my sound. They realized, 552 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.519 no, he's just not doing the Boston accent. Yeah, well, 553 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.960 I mean Boston accent is very Star Wars, right. We have you know, 554 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.239 Cliff from Cheers. We have I feel like Bill Burtilbert doing yeah a 555 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.239 little bit, a little bit. And we have Donnie Yen who has like 556 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.360 a Boston slash Hong Kong accent. You know, he lives on the side 557 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.000 of the planet where all the possums. He's where the brown coats are. 558 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.800 Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like it. Anything else we 559 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:15.159 want to say about Weather's in Mandalorian, which Weather's in general. I'm just 560 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.519 glad that, you know, I got to live in the same world as 561 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:21.320 him. You know, I got to see his art and enjoy it. 562 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.119 And we'll get to like I said, we watch Predator at least once a 563 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:29.920 year. It's our favorite, and we watch Rocky all the time, but 564 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.239 Predator probably a little bit more. It is our favorite action movie, and 565 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.159 you know, will be until the day I die. And I hope I 566 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.280 can pass that off to some child so that they continue it. Not mine, 567 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.639 but not yours, Yeah, somebody else's. Yeah. Yeah, I'd 568 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.039 say, like, I'd like to thank him for helping save the Mandalorian for 569 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.199 me, because you know, I just got to like re experience the end 570 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:58.320 of that season for the second time, you know, like through someone else's 571 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.800 eyes, you know, I like, wait, that's not it? Oh? 572 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.079 Is that? Oh? Is that Luke Sky? No, he didn't 573 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.800 direct that one. He directed, Yeah, the Siege episode. Yeah. 574 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:15.119 Yeah, But you know, between his directorial talents and and his you know, 575 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.400 his I mean it wasn't specifically his role in that, it was that 576 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.880 whole episode, but it you know, it brought me back into something that 577 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.239 I love. And I'm looking forward to seeing him in Predator. And you 578 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.320 know, I didn't rewatch Arrested Development before this, and and so I didn't 579 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:36.079 have as many specifics to say about it, but like I do look forward 580 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:42.559 to to seeing that again and remembering his performances and that, Yeah, I 581 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.280 think maybe sometimes when the three of us can be physically in the same place, 582 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.599 we could watch The Predator and then just throw a microphone in between us 583 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.320 and talk about it, because well, I'd love to get Paul's reactions to 584 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:53.920 it. You said you're going to be here in like three weeks, so 585 00:40:54.159 --> 00:41:01.719 feared it out, all right? Well, yeah, yeah, I think 586 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.840 I just echo both of you. You know, I don't. I'm sure 587 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.039 they'll figures out something to do with his character for Mandalorian season four. He 588 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.880 wasn't, you know, super essential to a lot of the plot, but 589 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.480 I did. I really liked where he was going in terms of becoming the 590 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.360 mayor and you know, having really settled down. And again, I don't 591 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.079 want to compare him to land o'kel Rizzian necessarily as the two black people in 592 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:28.920 Star Wars until we get to the sequels, but I did had kind of 593 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.679 loved the idea that he'd also you know, gone respectable, and you know, 594 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.519 I'm sorry you won't get to see more of that, and I'm I'm 595 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.880 especially think kind of sorry that to my understanding, he hadn't done much directing 596 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.320 until very recently, and I think it's kind of a shame that he was 597 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.480 a good job. He did a good job at directing these episodes, and 598 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.960 I would have loved to see him more, both in front of him behind 599 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:50.519 the camera. So, you know, when someone passes away in their seventies, 600 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.480 I don't I don't think I can say it's like a tragic thing. 601 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:54.480 You know. I'm, of course, with great sympathy for his family. 602 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.679 I think he had a very a life, very well lived. But I 603 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.280 think we'll definitely miss him and and just really glad we got to get together 604 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:05.559 and talk about some of the great things he's done, and uh, you 605 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.639 know, be sad about the fact that we won't get see morem Yeah, 606 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.000 I mean I still see it as a tragedy. Not I understand like the 607 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.119 sort of difference whatever like these but like these days, like I don't know, 608 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.000 I feel like people should live to one hundred, like you know, 609 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.320 just like give give like a century. I don't know, I don't want 610 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.760 to. If you don't want to, I can't even get up. And 611 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.400 I'm like that, But see that doesn't have to be the way it is, 612 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:35.280 Like that's not that's not a necessity, you know. And I mean 613 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.159 people can be very healthy and be you know, in action series into their 614 00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:45.000 seventies and probably eighties, and you know, but oh, I just wanted 615 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.800 to say, like, he does have seventeen directing credits if you want to 616 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.559 go back. And that's like silk Stockings. And is that a sex Is 617 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.280 that like a sexy one? Yeah? I think so that's a that's a 618 00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:00.480 TV series that's like a skin imax. I think my thought thought, you 619 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.960 know, a little bit more respectful than that. It was. It was 620 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.599 on USA when I was about thirteen, so I do you remember it well? 621 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:15.360 After? It was a buddy cop like TV procedural about two cops who 622 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:20.000 would investigate murders among like the Hollywood you know. So it was always like 623 00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.840 sexy starlet's getting killed and dockings, Wow, yeah, finding two dudes. 624 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:29.639 Two dudes were the leader of silk Stockings. No, no, a woman? 625 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.320 Okay, good. It was very much did they have a will they 626 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:36.800 want a relationship? Oh of course, well just breathing in each other's mouth 627 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.639 or a will they? And will they? I don't know, yeah exactly. 628 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.760 He also directed an episode of Hawaii five, Oh the New one Law 629 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.639 and Order, you know FBI, so so yeah, there's you know, 630 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.880 there's some there's some directorial credits you can investigate. Would I would imagine that 631 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.519 they were just like, oh, you've never directed anything, here's the panavision 632 00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.400 and whatever, like just go to and start right right. Yeah, showed 633 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:06.400 me a short film something. If I was a young and upcoming like producer 634 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.159 at Disney and Carl Weathers is in front of me, I'd be like, 635 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:12.880 you can do whatever you want. I'm in charge and you're my idol. 636 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.000 Let's go balls to the wall. You want to direct? Yeah, he's 637 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:20.840 directing now, you know. I think Feloney hadn't done any live action right 638 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.679 before he directed. No, I don't think so. They called it like 639 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.840 they George Lucas call him and be like, you're going to be in charge 640 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.679 of everything Star Wars, and he was like, I think I had a 641 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:37.599 stroke. Could you imagine? No? Yeah, I could have like have 642 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.840 a Figy Comby and be like, you know what, you're gonna head up 643 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.719 our X Men development crew and you're gonna tell us what we should and shouldn't 644 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.679 do. I would fall out of my own body. Yeah, you know, 645 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.800 someday Disney is going to have someone take over some part of the Marvel 646 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.039 Star Wars universe whose name doesn't begin with an F, and it's going to 647 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.559 be the end of an era. Yeah all right, well, thank you 648 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:06.840 both so much. For more of Paul's stuff, check out Zen Madman and 649 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.599 all the places. Links are in the show notes. But actually you haven't 650 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:14.840 been on a little while, and you are a very busy podcast tricks out 651 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.039 there. Where can people find you? You can find me at Bill and 652 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:22.960 Ashley's Terror Theater for all Things Horror if you're into how horror movies get made 653 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:30.679 to the end of you know, production and the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast where 654 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.119 we're talking about all things Marvel and everything on the strain of Pena Network. 655 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.320 Yeah, definitely check out all that. I have not been following all of 656 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:43.480 the Marvel stuff these days, but Echo for my own personal reasons, as 657 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:47.920 they talked about a lot on my own other podcast, this podcast on this 658 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.199 very exactly, let me start that again. Yeah, definitely check those podcasts 659 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.400 out. I'm not a horror fan, but Bill and Bill and actually makes 660 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.519 me love horror movies through their description and they do it in a way that 661 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.320 I think if you've seen the movie, you're gonna love it. But when 662 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.840 I have no idea what the movie is, they still describe it enough that 663 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.480 I can go along on the journey with them. But especially the MCU cast, 664 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.400 it's the podcast that inspired me to get started. Matt and Jeff were 665 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:15.239 already so good, but it got so much better when Ashley you came on 666 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.920 and Echo is probably the most important media that's ever come out in my life 667 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.239 for me personally because of the disability representation, specifically of me as a prosthetic 668 00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:28.760 user. 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