What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to the Happy Hour Live at
five. We were talking the Clippers extending ty Lou. There's a little bit
of chatter about a possible Zoobots extension on the way, so we're gonna break
down that, get your guys' thoughts on everything. But in case you missed
it, this is Clips and Dent. I am Chuck Mockler, usually joined
by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. They are unavoidably detained. We're gonna try
and get some random other people in here, so it should be a good
time. But yes, if you're listening on audio, you missed the YouTube
live. We're hanging out. It's Wednesday. It doesn't feel like a Friday
at all. But the Clippers made some moves and we're going to talk about
it. We have our first YouTube comment saying I hate it. That doesn't
make any sense. I don't Steve Rodriguez is on the chat saying he hates
this. I don't hate it. I think it's a pretty good move.
He's a very good coach. He has had a healthy team not very often.
He can't coach Kawhi Leonard's knees. I wish he could. I think
he would be a great knee coach, but it's it's a who else who
else was going to coach the Clippers. The other thing I think to consider
what's up j Bosadi four. I think the other thing to consider this with
this is, you know we saw Dan Craig Leeve. I'm assuming he left,
probably because he maybe knew this extension was coming, or just figured,
oh, I want to be a head coach. Maybe somewhere else. They
went to a worst team, But I think resigning Tylero is a good idea.
This I absolutely cannot steve, but the team was cooked either way,
so I don't think we can use that performance. I'm not gonna sit here
and pretend like him playing PJ. Tucker was a good move. It was
a bad move, but the Clippers were probably not winning that series without Kahi
Leonard, So I don't think chalk again he had to make a move because
Cohile Leonard was hurt. I don't know who else people wanted to come in
and coach this team. I don't think it seems like I don't think Tyler
re signs a deal with the team. That's like blowing it up in any
Way, some people in the chat are asking what this means for pg's free
agency. All the reports are saying that, you know, the Clippers want
to run it back with you know, James Harden and and Paul George.
Let me see where there's a quote today from the Woes article. Here we
go. Joey Linn had the tweet up said the Clippers are determined to keep
Paul George and James Harden in free agency, and the organization moves. As
the organization moves into the new state of the arena, we'll see what happens
with the PG contract. What I think is gonna happen is I think he's
gonna end up getting a MAX and then probably ends up getting shipped out somewhere.
That's based on nothing, but that seems like where we are. But
I think resigning Tyler is a good move. He's one of the top coaches
in the NBA. He's been Delta roughhand. Sure he makes frustrating decisions.
No coach is perfect. I don't think there is a coach that's perfect for
a team who's two stars are consistently unavailable. I just I don't really know.
You can't really talk me out of this being a good idea, mostly
because A It's already happened, so I'm not sure what we're supposed to do
there. And B Steve Balmer loves him. We've heard him quote about it.
We've heard quotes about that from him. We've heard a lou talk about
how much he loves it here. So it shouldn't be a surprise if anyone
can offer a good a good alternative to a team that's gonna be running it
back again and again and again. I'd like to hear it because I'm not
really sure who comes in and coaches this team in a way better than Tyler
that takes them further with the personnel issues they have in terms of health.
So I don't know. I think it's a good signing there was no one
to promote after Dan Craig left. It's just it seems like I don't know,
I will say this does how can I phrase this? We heard Lawrence
Frank talk like what was the quote like, we know we can't just run
it back, let me run it back. What did he say, we
know we can't just run it back or something like that, like we can't
do this whole thing again. It does feel like we're kind of leaning into
that, right. So at this point, we have Kawhi Leonard back,
we have Tyler back, which kind of no matter what I think was gonna
happen, and we're waiting on Paul George to hopefully take less than the max,
and we need James Harden to take like three for one ten and then
we would officially kind of be running it back, which is a little terrifying
because we're locked into that second apron So I get the trepidation from that standpoint,
but I think there's moves to be made. If they do run it
back to start this season, why not Clippers with the comment does this mean
l Frank will be gone? Something needs to change? This kind of jumping
off this I this take and this idea. There's absolutely a disconnect right now
between the front office and TYLERU. I don't know who's fall it is,
but we've seen them publicly in the press say different things about what they want
to see from this team. Right they didn't want a guy like Russell Westbrook,
then Tyler and Paul George, to Jay Bose's point, commenting, how
you know Tyler really likes Paul George campaigned for Russell Westbrook. So there is
some friction. I don't know who fixes the friction between the front office and
the head coach. I guess that's Steve Baumer's job or whatever Lee Jenkins is
doing. He can mend that. But there is like, this is a
good point. Why not Clippers, because there does need to be like a
get on the same page, retreat of some kind. Go to the desert,
no phones, figure out how to build a fire and put a shelter
together, and then maybe we'll get the roster where these things work, right.
We saw Tyleru play Moses Brown kind of out of spite. We saw
Laurence Frank kind of trade Reggie Jackson in John Walla. These point guards away
that Tyleru was using. So it's been this weird back and forth clash of
ideologies. So I think why not the Clippers brings up a good point here.
Something does need to change. I don't know if Lornce Frank is going
anywhere. I don't know if that's the big change that's a monumental change,
but it's something to keep an eye on. You know, when we get
to the draft and we get to kind of seeing maybe what can happen in
free agency. Again, the Clippers are really hamstrung with what they can do
in actual free agency, and maybe we'll hear some quotes coming about what this
team needs and hopefully they'll be on the same page, because there is some
friction there. Greggy, what's up? Greg? I feel like he's always
in these chats. He's bringing up. Gregor's bringing up something that is a
fair point. It's gonna be a problem if we don't give the young guys
we do have some playing time, if they find a way to get rid
of Russ, Plumb and PJ or potentially i PG is also gone. The
other big knock on TYLERU, which I do agree with. Again, no
coach is perfect. The young guys are never getting a shot on this team,
which is a little difficult. You know, GREGI mentions getting rid of
Russ. I would love it a for us to enoughed into his player option
because we have Bones Island who had some body language and vibe issues during the
season. Again, not gonna sit here, butten that was all Rosie,
but I think there was some I just think that was he left it.
He wanted to get a Denver four playing time he got playing time and make
the hard and trade. Russ has to be convinced to go to the bench,
and that leaves Bones Highland out to drive, mostly because Tyleru, through
either trying to make sure the locker room was okay or favoritism are a little
both played Russ as the backup point guard. So GREGGI, I agree there's
a young guy thing. There's only like two young guys who could make an
actual impact next year for the Clippers, and I think that is Bones Island
obviously, and then probably Kobe Brown. I don't really think Jordan Miller is
going to get the time that some people want. But we've just seen I
think we've seen more from Kobe Brown at the NBA level. Again, not
a whole lot of it, but it is more than what we've seen from
Jordan Miller and Bones. We've seen a whole lot of him being effective and
selfishly he's a lot more fun to watch play basketball than some of the other
Clippers. So yeah, I would agree that there's gonna there needs to be
some young guy integration into the Clippers roster existing young guys because it's not like
we're you know, whoever we get at forty six, which we can talk
about too. If anyone has any forty six pick ideas, I'm not gonna
shoot any of them down because I have no idea who we should take at
forty six. Oh damn okay, I will say, admittedly I forgot kai
Jones. That's my bad. Kai kai Jones stands. Please please don't please
don't dox me or whatever you guys do. Kai Jones also on that list
of the guys who could who should probably get more of a shot. Next
year, we're gonna see him in Summer League. I think Summer League is
kind of designed I think for guys like kai Jones's player type to excel.
I think kai Jones is gonna have a really fun to watch summer league.
Will that translate to actual being good for an NBA team? I don't know.
I hope so well. The Clippers need all they can get. But
he's a big guy who is athletic, and that is, you know,
the Clippers issue. Lawrence Frank pointed that out, So GREGI thank you for
checking me. I meant no disrespect to the kai Jones army. So it's
kai Jones, Kobe Brown, and then Bones I think are the three young
guys who should get more playing time from Tyloo next year. That would be
a nice change from what we have seen from TYLERU shar is asking could Bones
be traded? Lou didn't seem to want to play him, and there's no
reason to keep him with Harden and Westbrooker taking all the point guard minutes.
I think he could be traded. I would feel bad for Bones if he
was traded. His work seems like it's not the Clipper. I don't know
what the Clippers are trading for to help the team by getting rid of Bones.
I guess like another second round pick. That doesn't really so let's just
keep Bones. Then we need more youth. The big if here is if
what hardened? Westbrook are taking all the point guard minutes, So Harden obviously
hopefully is taking those point guard minutes because there's no one on the roster now
and there's no one who I think they can add who would be better than
James Harden. But if Westbrook is gone, maybe on a team where he
gets more minutes and stuff like that, then it opens the door for Bones.
I mean, if Westbrook is not on the team, I think it
makes sense to assume that Bones is the backup point guard because there's there's no
one else who can or should play point guard. So yeah, I the
knocks on Tyler are all ones that I do mostly agree with, right right,
Like the young guys should maybe a little more playing time. Why on
earth would you ever play PJ? Tucker? And I guess I wish he
learned how to do surgery so he could be more useful for the team.
I don't know, but the kylou thing it was, it was a good
decision Forgotten lo ol Cow says, I think it was a good decision.
Well said, Forgotten lol Cow. Thank you Blood Orange cheers. Y'all hit
that like Button, appreciate that. If you have your tylu takes, drop
them in the chat. JM one through two four says, would you trade
Bones Highland for Quentin Drimes and do a three team deal with Orlando where Terrence
goes to Utah, Norm goes to Orlando and the Clips get John Collins and
second round picks? Uh No, I don't think the Clippers. I don't
think no, because I just know I think the Clippers need to keep Terrence
Man and it beats the Zubats on this team as long as possible. Uh,
there is uh Zubot's extension looming. Apparently that was the other part of
the things that we heard today that like they're kind of maybe working on an
extension for Zoo. I was on Twitter, I had I think it was
I had maybe after I had had some fun at the barbecue, and I
tweeted out that I think four for one hundred for of Eatza Zoobots makes sense
for all parties involved. Twenty five million a year with the cap going up
for a young center who's available and has been in the same coaches system for
a very long time, seems worth it to me. He's very good.
He was the clipper second best player in the playoffs this year. I don't
know, I think that's worth it. I hope that happens. But keeping
Terrence and Zoo, those are guys that you need as an organization. You
need some homegrown guys, right. I know we traded for Zoo, but
he was basically homegrown. We drafted Terrence very late. Those are those are
the kinds of guys you need on your team to make the team better.
I don't know how else to put that without sounding like an idiot. Terrence
is making eleven million per year right now, which is underpaid. He's an
unrestricted free agent after this season. He can hold the Clippers over a barrel.
So could Zoo. But I think I hope they get it done.
I hope they get the Zoo thing done. I hope he's happy he doesn't
rock the boat. I know Zoo can be a polarizing figure with some people.
I don't fully understand why. Maybe it's his body language when he gets
pouty. It's a little ugly to watch. But I love Zoo is good
for this team. He's one of the few same guys we've had who's also
good. And I think it's very hard as a Clippers fan. It's hard
for me to hear, uh, just logically getting rid of guys who are
young, available and get better, because those are guys that the Clippers don't
have. They have like two of those guys, and it's Terrence and Zoo,
and they're young by Clippers standards. Blood Orange cheers saying let's go Nicks.
Is there a potential Knicks and Clippers trade for Paul George. I don't
think so. That's that was loaded last year, that it was like these
picks, I think Julius Randall, but then it came out that it wasn't
as it was like the Picks were heavily protected because of Paul George wanting a
max contract. So I don't know if that I don't know if that offer's
gotten better from the Knicks, which makes sense. Giving Paul George a max
contract is a difficult pill to swallow. So I do not think there is
a potential Knicks and Clippers trade for Paul George. If there is, it
probably involves Julius Randall or something, and I think both fan bases go okay,
all right, but I don't think that's really there. Gregy says,
how do you feel about the da of moving PG and Kawhi back to the
two and three. I think they might have to they I mean, I
I take that back as soon as I said it. I don't want Paul
George handling the ball anymore. He can't do it. He just can't.
He can't be the two. Lawrence Frank mentioned even get maybe another wing,
So I think they're going to try and get another athletic four maybe, or
I don't know. It's a very good question. I could see them maybe
doing it, But at the same time, I don't know if Tyleru wants
to deal with that, because who do we bring in at the four.
We're so shallow at the four that it feels it just doesn't feel like we
have enough on the roster. Do that if that makes sense. Totally legitimate
question, But I don't know if the Clippers have enough at the four.
They can't really sign anyone who's that good because of the salary cap to start
a guy at the four, which sucks. So I like the idea of
that, I just don't think they're able to do it because of how the
roster's currently constructed. Steve Rodriguez is fuming about Tyleru. He said, why
would he want to leave a job where basically any mistakes he makes get forgiven
by the idea that Kawhi is gjured. He wasn't going anywhere. I like
that he's using the idea that Kawhi is injured. Kawai was injured. It
wasn't an idea the medicals often think he was injured. He's very much injured.
We can't we can't Kawi is very good. We can't rewrite history here
and say he's been healthy and yet why why would he want to leave that
job? I don't know the idea that I wish it was an idea that
Kawhi is injured. The man is really hurt, so was Paul George.
Old Man Yen says if PG walks, do we have other options? Not?
Really. The way that the second apron is set up is such that
if we lose so Paul George and his forty whatever million, if he just
opts out and then leaves, the Clippers do not now have a forty million
dollar hole they can like fill up. So no, not for MAX guys,
they don't have other options if Paul George leaves. I think some other
things need to happen. But then we can get under the first apron,
or excuse me, under the second apron, and then we get the mid
level exception back or one of the mid level exceptions back. So the other
options aren't good. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like losing Paul George
for absolutely nothing is good. It's not ideal. If he does sign the
MAX again, this is not an original take. I think maybe we see
him moved Jbo's eighty four saying come on, Larry Fingers, do your magic
and give us another rebuild on the fly. Just rebuild it. It's very
simple. You just you just rebuild the team. But a good way to
rebuild the team is you keep the coach and you keep your young, good
defensive center who's gotten better every single year, and then you resign Ternesman.
That is a good way to kind of start the rebuild. If anyone has
any draft ideas, drop them in the chat. I've seen hundreds of different
suggestions, and I cannot tell you which one I like more or which one
I like less. If you're just jumping in the stream, we are talking
Tyloo signing a long term contract with the Clippers. If you if you hear
me, say Calcus just short for calculator. I feel pretty good about this
signing. Jbo's eighty four saying build around Zobots. Don't know about that,
uh, but he has been a useful piece in building around Paul George and
kawhi Oh. Chunk Sampson. Usually love when Chunk Sampson is in the chat,
but he's saying DeRozan will be a Clipper. I hope not. There
are reports that uh DeRozan and Chris Paul are the uh some targets for the
Clippers, and that doesn't make any sense. They're old, They're old and
slow, and this team is already old and slow. I don't know if
adding older, slower players is the right call here. You know, Nick
Patoom's a free agent. Why don't we just sign everyone who is old and
used to be a Clipper? Right? The old guy? It's insane.
I don't want people retiring here. We already had Paul Pierce. We don't
need to like keep doing these like weird diet Paul Pierce. It's not gonna
be that bad, but we don't have to do those kinds of signings.
I don't think it's not needed. Greg, Yes, no more old guys,
please, we don't need it. We need to keep our young guys.
We need to keep Terrence Mann, who eats his bouts and bones Island.
He needs to be proven a little bit more though, and we need
to go from there, and then we'll trade Paul George for whatever. JM
saying, what about a Matisse table trade for PJ Sucker and seconds? Who
doesn't do it? I don't know who doesn't do it? Does that even
work financially, let's look at Mattis Tiples contract that does work financially. I
believe that's very funny. Yeah, I guess do that. Where did that
comment go? What the would the Blazers do that? I have no idea.
They're they're bad. You might be onto something here. I tell I
don't think they would do that. Their team is very bad. Games started,
he started nineteen games for him, he was not very good. But
I guess he's young. I don't sure. Just get him on, Just
get PJ off the team, or wave and stretch him. If the Clippers
wave and stretch PJ, his eleven mil becomes like three point whatever, and
that's fine. And he's away from the team and he can't corrapt corrupt bones
Island, and how he feels about not getting playing time, which is a
conspiracy theory I will hold forever. Yeah, So, Chunk Sampson, this
is where we are. We're in a rock and a hard place. Chunk
Sampson is asking, but we basically have to sign PG to a max.
So you're saying that's what we are doing. Yes, that's what kind of
sucks about the whole second apron thing. The Clippers are stuck. There's no
flexibility. There's flexibility in the context of a stuck team, if that makes
sense, Like, oh, they got a little bit of wiggle room,
but there is no real flexibility here. They kind of have to sign Paul
George to a max because if you don't, he's just gone. And while
that cathartically might feel good for some Clippers fans, on the court, it's
rough on the court. It is the worst team. And again, they
can't just fill in that spot with that money. So yes, it kind
of sucks. I'm gonna take a quick audio break if you're listening to the
audio. Need that add money? Uh, and we'll be back in two
seconds. All right, back on the life, No harm, no foul,
Thanks for hanging out. We're talking ty Loo signing a long term contract
to remain the Clippers coach. Clue Wave Cool says, at least with Kawhi,
we know it's injury. Never have to question his want in ability.
PG is an inconsistent wind with identity issues. Wow, calling someone an inconsistent
wind is maybe one of the harsher things I've ever heard. Well played,
did you mean to call that person? Did you mean to call Paul George
an inconsistent wind. That feels so mean. That's like soulfully mean. Maybe
I'm losing my mind, but I'm if I if I called if someone called
me an inconsistent wind to my face, I'd feel like I just heard a
flash bang go off. Well said clue wave cool. I don't know if
I'm going to the point of calling Paul George an inconsistent wind. Uh,
but I might. That is brutal. I'm going to remember that for the
rest of my life. Uh, Steve Rodriguez said. Steve Rodriguez said yeah.
Lucas said that if Paul George Watson can keep Harden for about forty mil,
they get an mL LEA. Yeah, so it's the mid level exception.
I think with the hardened contract too. You re signed Harden to the
same length that uh that Kawhi's signed to. Right, you keep it three
years? You do like one twenty for three years. That's forty mil.
That's not crazy. M Okay. People are saying they think he meant wing,
but I'm hearing no, he is wind, inconsistent wind. We're keeping
it. If you were in the stream for the birth of referring to Paul
George as an inconsistent wind. Well, no, we'll know that you're down
with Clipson. Dam this is so funny. I'm dying at this M.
It's so that's so fun inconsistent wind is fire? Ummm so mean old man.
Yeah. Does Paul George deserve more than Kawhi? Who am I to
say? We need to check on what deserve means? Ummm, I don't
know. He's consistently been the highest paid player on the Clippers. He will
be the highest paid player on the Clippers. I think after these contract negotiations,
it's going to happen. Kawhi took less than the MAX, seemingly out
of the goodness of his heart. Paul George doesn't want that. Paul George
shouldn't want that. I get Paul George wanting a MAX. He's an injury
guy who's only getting older. It's his last big contract. M. Joseph
Alvarez is hopping in the chat. He's new Calcus just calculator, Uh,
Calcus, just calculator. He's asking what a CALKI is. John renigue Fo
saying just joined high Familion. How's it going, John? You missed it?
But someone called Paul George an inconsistent wind and it's the meanest thing any
of us has ever heard someone say to another player, shout out clue wave.
Cool for that. Uh l z Oh asked sign and trade Paul George
the Rockets for the third pick, and Jabari Smith. I don't know,
man, this draft is not good. I believe that's what everyone is saying.
I'm not a draft guy. I don't watch I watch college basketball for
one week. Uh. I would not do that in this draft. If
they didn't do it for Scoot Henderson. I don't know if they're going to
be doing that for a worse draft. It seems fair question, but I
don't know if that will happen again. Chunk Samson asked me, what do
we think about Norm. I'm kind of on the fensive training because he's not
just a playoff player to me, no matter what we get, because I
still love Norm. Uh Yeah. Norm is weird. He makes like twenty
ish million. He's really just an He's a shooting threat. That's what he
does. He doesn't really run the pick and roll. Sometimes people compare him
to Lou Williams in terms of roll, not in terms of vibe or in
terms of impact, but in terms of role, I think he gets compared
to him. But lou Will could run the hell out of a pick and
roll and Norm Powell isn't asked to do that. He's a little It's it's
tough to look at his playoff stuff because with a fully healthy team, you'd
think if you run a five out lineup with Norm and then like PG Kawhi,
Terrence and then James Harden or something like that, you think it could
work. Right that that that in your head, that works on paper.
We saw the Powell Rangers lineup where it's you know, James Harden, Kawhi,
PG Zoo and Norman Powell. That has a lot of juice to it.
But it's a weird situation. I think we got to keep Norm though
he he's got two more years on his contract. I think the CAP's only
kind of going up, But that could be an argument to trade him in
terms of value. But I love Norm too. It's a weird spot.
I think he sticks. I think he sticks. I think he's a good
locker room guy. Steve Rodriguez is saying keep Norm. He's also scarred for
life from that elbow, so I think they should keep Norm as a favor
for that, because that's crazy. But no, I think you gotta keep
Norm. I don't think you re signed Norm for anything crazy. If there's
a mood to be made where the Clippers can get younger at the larger positions
than what Norm plays, I think that'd be a trade that you maybe make,
right would would you trade Norm and whatever to get younger at the four?
I probably would. I just don't know if that's even doable. I
don't know who's out there who makes twenty two million dollars, who's a four,
who's on a team that has too many wings. People talked about trading
Nor to the Magic for Jonathan Isaac, which, first of all, Jonathan
Isaac wouldn't move to a coastal elite city. And there's also some weird salary
cap stuff with that where the Magic couldn't like do that trade. There's something
with the money coming in from that that they would not be able to take
that trade. So I mean that, like on paper, that trade makes
sense, right, they need a guard who can score, Clippers need to
get younger, but it just financially doesn't work. So yeah, again,
the Clippers have no flexibility. It's rocking a hard place. They're most likely
at the beginning of the season, this team is going to look the same
for the most part. Right I think the backup center thing is weird because
you have Daniel Tice, who is not the height of a center but showed
that in limited shooting could stretch the floor a bit for the Clips. And
Mason Plumley. I don't know if he's coming back. He was rough coming
back after the injury that he suffered from Julius Randall weirdly enough, uh so,
I don't know if he's going back. So it's like it's it's just
the big guys that the Clippers should I think worry about. It's just getting
younger and more size of the four and the five. That's where the Kai
Jones comes in and hopefully he can give you some spot minutes and you can
see his development start a little bit. There's some possibilities ish that are guys
that are already on this roster, but who knows. Manu Sandoval near to
the chat commenting, he said, best option right now is to run it
back and a couple of the young guys keep developing. I mean, yeah,
that's that's where we are. It's great that you said that's the best
option because it feels like that's exactly what the Clippers are going to do and
have been doing. You hope you can kind of get a little bit of
money off the books. You you stretch, and you know, you wave
and stretch PJ. That takes you down. Russ doesn't come back. That
takes down a little bit. Again, these aren't huge moves. You wave,
Mason, get that off the books. Justin Russo had a great article
about the cap. I'm gonna put it in the chat real quick. But
yeah, uh man, you know you're kind of right like that. This
is you hope the young guys keep develop and you also kind of back to
the Tyloo thing. You also hope that they get those chances. You know.
I don't want to sound, you know, like a dick or anything
like that, but I don't The G League is great. We've seen these
guys dominate in the G League. That's great. Let's get them a little
I don't. I know it's hard to find them time, But if Pj's
off the team, if Russ is off the team, there's two spot where
you can get some of these minutes right bones Hiland can get that run,
you can get limited if you get also bring in a new wing you can
give Kobe or Kai Jones these like third string wing minutes and stuff like that.
So that is what you're looking for here, I'm putting in the chat.
Uh. Here's the Russo article. That's the longest link in the world.
I'm very sorry, but that's a that's a Justin Russo article on the
Clippers contract situation. It's really good. Read it it. It explains it
much better than I am explaining it, and it just it really paints the
picture of where the Clippers are stuck. Greg you saying you also have coffee
and Brandon Boston Jr. Yeah, a Meer showed like a mere showed a
lot of good stuff last year. The negative wingspan I think hurts him,
but he showed in a small role. Coffee is a very good contributor when
it gets a little bit. I think we saw his ceiling last year in
terms of like what his role should be. But he's a very he's a
legit contributor. Brandon Boston Jr. I gotta see I gotta see more.
I don't know if he's ready he's very he's flashy, he's he has flashes
of it. But I just don't I don't know where he fits on this
team. People like to say three and D guy, but I'm not sure.
This is a good point in the chat. Feels like the Clippers would
be bidding against themselves if they give pg a max because I doubt there really
are other teams willing to give him that contract. There's really only two.
It can kind of be right, It's all the chatter has been seventy six
ers and like maybe the weird thing with the Knicks, So they're not bidding,
Yeah, it's they are. They kind of have to bit against themselves
because of how they're so stuck Like this is a great point. See,
there's not a lot of teams who can give him the max. But what
if they did? That's the thing that sucks to say, well, what
if they did? And the hang up specifically seems to be on that fourth
year. I think they're okay with giving him three, but that fourth it's
kind of like, who bud that's a lot, So they are bidding against
themselves. They're stuck like that. That is the reality of it, which
is difficult. John saying, I don't mind running it back. We could
have tweaked rotation against the MAVs played Tyson sat Tucker. Absolutely, we could
have no idea if Kawhi would have been back had they gotten past the MAVs.
There's been no update either on the Kawhi knee thing. A lot of
people are kind of assuming, Uh, we're just gonna get an alert saying
that like Kawhi Leonard had his knee scoped or something like that, and I
think that's probably what's gonna happen. I think we're gonna get some weird WOJ
bomb maybe on July fourth about like Kawhi getting his knee checked out and that
they have optimism or something like that. I have no idea what's going on
with Kwahi Hawaiian Horizon, asking is there any legitimacy about the Chris Paul rumors
or is it just the media's during the pop first they don't want to bring
in any more guys past their prime. Could not agree more with the second
part uh Hawaiian Horizon, And I think it's mostly just kind of a bit
of random scuttle, But I don't think it's huge. I don't think it's
super real. I think there is maybe some interest, So I don't know.
I don't want him to bring him in either, there's no reason to
do that. Uh oh yeah, I forgot BBJ got hurt in in the
G League. I hope he can come. That would be great. I
hope Brandon Boston can contribute. He was a steel where they drafted him with
where he was projected. He had a really tough year in college before he
came, before he declared, so it would be cool. He has the
size, he has the pedigree, he has all that stuff. It's there,
so I hope he can bounce back from the injury. Another guy who
got injured is people that have kind of been asking when it comes to the
four in the five, like, uh, you know Musa Musa Diabat was
drafted, he got hurt. He kind of had some injury, like to
you, I think he broke his wrist or something like that. It was
a hand issue. So and he's still. Musa is incredibly raw for what
this Clippers team needs at the four and the five. The Clippers at the
backup four need an actual defensive backup four or back excuse me, backup five
need an actual defensive backup five, not like a raw athletically guy, because
we saw what happened to Mason Plumley, and Daniel Tyss has his limitations as
well with his size. So I'm really mostly worried about the back cup five
this offseason for the Clippers because we've just been through there were times when the
combination backup five of Tye and Plumbley looked great and then there were times where
it was just completely garbage. And we've just gone through this rough phase of
backup fives ever since Isaiah Hartenstein left, which is a different subject for an
angrier day that I don't want to get into. But yeah, the backup
five thing is is a little troublesome comment in the stream. I'm fine with
the big three being the same as long as the playmakers around them are young
or the players around them are young. Yeah, I mean that's the balance
the Clippers are attempting to strike. They're doing it very kind of ass over
tea kettle would be how I would describe it. The Josh Primo thing made
absolutely no sense. He did not need a roster spot, but they're trying.
But you know, this is where playing the youth happens is where Tylero
maybe needs to adjust his game a little bit. No Blood Orange teers is
saying no interereston Hartenstein. We would love Hartenstein. There is no Clippers fan
watching, listening, not even watching or listening, who would say no to
Isaiah Hartenstein. Bri If Isaiah Hartenstein was on this team, I think most
people would think we were winning a JPI. No, we would all love
Isaiah hart and Stegn to be back. The Clippers can't afford him. They
can't. There's no money that they can give him. He's unrestricted, which
hurts the Clippers because of Oklahoma City Thunder are gonna sign Isaiah Hartenstein. It's
gonna be like Harold it is the best signing of the season or something weird.
The Clippers can't. They have no money. There is no money for
the Clippers to sign Isaiah Hartenstein. Unfortunately, that hurts that you brought that
up, Blood Orange Tears. I'm gonna be honest. I wish they could.
I really wish they could. Yeah, I don't know. I'm the
Tyler thing, which again is when we started this whole live stream, Uh
five years, seventy million dollars. If you're worried about how much money he's
being paid. Who cares at Steve Valmer's money. It has nothing to do
with how the team operates. Yes, that is incredibly uh old man Yon
saying off topic, kind of hard as half black. Yes, he is
semi on topic, Thank you, old man Yon. Oh, here's some
reasonable contract talk. Give Paul George the fourth year. He doesn't want less
than the max, though he's It seems very clear he wants the max because
four for one is a lot less than what is it for for two twenty
one? Yeah. Yeah, four for two twenty one to four for one
ninety if you're a guy who wants the max is a bit of a drop
off. I'm not pretending that. Let's please don't say if only were Yeah,
if we had that, we would all be happy with one hundred ninety
million dollars. None of us are as good at None of us probably deserve
one hundred ninety million dollars for our athletic feats. Those do seem like reasonable
contracts. I think the Clippers offer hardened more, though but not too much
more. I think that hardened contract three for one twenty is like, that's
great, Like three for one ten would be cool. I just don't think
there's any way that PG takes four for one ninety. Again, I would
love that. I would like that, but I don't know. Ummm Chunk
Samson liked the signing stability for the new stadium. Yes, And my counterpoint
is, like, again, who is coming in? This is the most
veteran team maybe ever constructed, uh in terms of and I mean that in
the age sense. I mean that in the clout with the other players,
in the locker room sense, like this is a veteran ass Clippers team.
They're set in their ways in some way, shape or form, right,
I don't. You're not bringing in a young, upstart coach to coach this
team. That would be insane. He would have them running suicides and everyone
would be hurt or something weird. And you're not bringing in like a guy
who's never been a head coach before, and all the guys who have been
head coaches who are available to coach, none of them would really fit,
right, I don't. You're not fought. You're not letting Tyler walk and
then signing Frank Vogel to coach this team. It just it's a good signing.
It's it's not something There's definitely points to be made about improvements that Tyler
can make. I'm not gonna sit you know, that's not an issue.
He's not a perfect coach. There are issues with playing you know, the
younger guys and and things like that. But it's just not a it's not
a thing you really have. Again, I guess the theme of this live
is any wiggle room or space to make like who is who? There was
no one else who I think can coach this Clippers team. And when I
say can, I mean deal with everything surrounding it. You're dealing with a
very heavy locker room in terms of just who is on the team right,
Like, it's just it's a heavy locker room. It would be a very
difficult team to come in and say, hey, I'm the new guy.
Let's do it. The window is kind of closed, let's try and yank
it open again. Yes, Jimmy Carter Peanut, very funny name. Do
you think Tyler would resign? Thinking PG and Hardener leaving, I feel like
this may point to us keeping the core together. Yeah, there's no way
that Tylu is signing on to a team that's gonna like blow it up or
whatever. Again, they can't really blow it up. It'd be a soft
it'd be a soft demo would be what the Clippers could do. But I
don't think he's leaving without two of the three for sure coming back. There
already got Kawhi. But I think all signs in scuttle buttons, sources and
chatter and whatever you want to say is pointing to the team bringing everyone back.
So I think this is a great point by Jimmy Carter Penett. I
yeah, I don't think he's resigning if he didn't think people are coming back.
Great point. This franchise is in such a win now mode and we
just don't have the team for it. I think we do have the team
for it. There's been some horrible luck, and maybe it won't happen again
next year, he says, slamming his hands on the desk. But it
is win now mode. We can't pretend like it's not every year that the
Clippers don't win. It's another forty percent pressure added to the win now mode
of what this team is, which is very difficult. I don't know.
I hope they can win now. I also think there's going to be some
moves made. If Paul George signs is a full max contract, we just
have to hope, which is I guess the curse of Clippers fans. I
think that about wraps it up. If anyone has any other wild takes to
post in the chat, I am going to get out of here. This
has been a very fun happy hour. It's kind of a slow off season.
The Clippers again can't do a whole lot. If you missed the Justin
Russau article I posted in the chat, scroll up and read about how the
Clippers are a little hamstrung chunk Samson asking do pg's contract mess with Zoo's extension?
I don't believe if so, I think the Clippers are fine to sign
Zoe to whatever they want. I'll probably be proven wrong by someone in the
chat, and that's fine, listen to them. But I don't think it
messed with the extension at all, because he's been on the team for so
long. Greg, you wants to know y'all going broke buying the new Team
Merch. No, my secret is I don't buy Team Merch. I bought
this hat six years ago and I'm wearing an og Jake Burn's shirt. With
Daniel Oturou on it. I don't buy a lot of team merch. I
bought a sweater and it's a great sweater. I bought the new sweater they
also just had. There's like a seventy percent off sale or something happening on
Clippers Shop, which is weird. So no, I'm going broke on everything
else. Gricky, Thank you, Blood Orange cheers. What is the Clippers
calling card? Injuries and hope would probably be what I would say. The
Clippers calling card is injuries and hope. Yeah, that about wraps it up.
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