The following presentation is in thel Marvel Studios Production. Welcome back, fact hunters
and fellow truth seekers from around the world. We have a very very special
podcast for you today. We're going to skip the housekeeping and jump right into
it. His name is John Kirwin, and he's author of the new book,
The Conspiracy Theorists Survival Guide, a guide book for persecuted Truthers. And
I know we have had these conversations during our many interviews. John has served
in both full and part time ministry as a worship leader and pastor for over
thirty years. He is the founder of Wake Up or Else PMA, which
is eight c one online Christian fellowship for the Truther community. He has close
to five thousand subscribers and over one hundred thousand hours worth of views. And
remember, folks, as always his links, YouTube, Rumble, his website,
email, Twitter, all that information and most importantly the link to his
book on Amazon, which just came out May fourth. I guess it's three
months old today, and I'm sure you guys will support it. It's a
great message and he has been providing insight into the truther's journey since twenty seventeen.
Please help me. Welcome mister John Kirwin. John, how are you
doing today? Hey, I'm doing great. Great to be with you,
George. Looking forward to our conversation. Likewise, and congratulations on the book.
It is a subject that is much needed in the truth community. We
had talked briefly before we hit the record button, and one of the most
divisive times of my fifty four years on this earth was COVID and we literally
saw family split and I told you how flat Earth can be a sensitive topic,
etc. So this is a much needed book for the truth community.
So before we get started, please go ahead and introduce yourself to the listening
audience. Yeah, this is great because I think this topic is a little
different than you know, as Truthers were used to consuming a lot of the
latest info on the matrix and how we're bamboozled and what the Central Planners are
up to. But I think there's a big part of our journey, which
is the mental, emotional, spiritual impact of finding out about the matrix and
then realizing your friends, your family don't know it, they don't want to
know it, and they don't want you to know it, and this sets
up some very difficult almost irreconcilable differences that have caused a lot of us challenges.
I think the problem is pretty much universal. So this is this is
a really important topic for us as humans, and you know, managing our
our emotional state, it's really challenging. One hundred percent. Would you mind
sharing your journey to the truth with the listeners? Yeah, of course.
I guess was about twenty seventeen, and I was just like everybody else,
was happily married, at four kids. We were doing life at that time.
I was a pattern day trader and so being in and around financial stuff,
I found out that the Federal Reserve wasn't federal. That was sort of
my entry point. So I realized it was obviously fake and they were doing
it on purpose, you know, like Federal Reserve is not federal, but
our federal express I mean, but this was like a white building in Washington,
and obviously it dawned on me that this was purposely fake. And looking
back, it's almost embarrassing now how obvious these things are. But I think
you'll understand we all have to start somewhere because we're just sailing along, you
know, we're all normies. We're minding our own business. And it's sort
of like God sneaks up behind us and taps us on the shoulder and he
says, you, who did you notice that that's fake? Because why did
it take my entire life to find out you know that the boats don't go
over the curve or the lunder Lander looks like it's made of cardboard and curtain
rods. Why did it take me my entire adult life to figure that out.
It's a mystery, but that's the entry point that many of us come
to. At some point we discovered there's this one glitch in the matrix,
like when Neo saw the black Cat and it glitched out, and and it's
at that moment that we ask the question, well, if that's not true,
what else isn't true? Now I've found I said that to myself.
But as I've talked to so many people over the last six years, I've
talked to hundreds of people, and your listeners are probably resonating right now,
they're saying, yeah, yeah, I've said that too. You start to
question for the first time in some way everything, and that is when you
when you are converted, if I could say it that way, that's when
the normy becomes the truther when they begin to ask that's not true? What
else isn't true? Right? Right? So that that's my genesis of you
know, this journey that we're all on. It's and again, it's such
an important subject and it resonates with so many people because I can't tell you
that the number of times I would go down a rabbit hole just I'm pulling
something out of the hat here, Like you know, Larry was it Larry
Silverstein? The guy who just happened to get to take control of the Twin
Towers in June of two thousand and one and just happened to take out billions
of dollars of insurance. And you find that and as the truth or somebody
who's seeking knowledge, you want to share that, and you just with people
who are not receptive. And I think you actually have a chapter that that's
entitled I'd rather not see, thank you. Whether it's cognitive dissonance or people
just don't want to take the red pill. They're comfortable in their life and
they don't want it to be turned upside down, which I've said many times
in my personal journey, certain rabbit holes I've gone down. It has and
I've spent days and sometimes weeks walking around in circles with my hands on my
head saying what in the world it has you know, how have I not
seen this? And again, if that is a lie, then everything else
must be a lie. Yes, exactly. And there's so many factors.
It's really not one thing that keeps us asleep. It's subliminal programming. It's
modeling in the media of talking heads, chemicals in the food, in the
air and the water of course, trauma based mind control, all the Cavist
stock stuff, and it's pride, demonic spirits, curses from God. The
Second Thessalonians, Chapter two curse says that God sends delusion on those that are
willfully ignorant. And then there's peer pressure and the herd mentality, and you
know, because the humans are very tribal, so if you come to them
with a conspiracy theory topic, just pick one. It doesn't matter. It's
not that you're just trying to get them to accept your worldview. You're asking
them to leave their tribe, which is a huge ask, right, It's
a big ask. So, but the one that really I think controls a
lot of us is the it's what's called the reticular activation center. It's a
part of our brain that filters out everything that's inconsistent with our paradigms. So,
for instance, the single mom sleeping in a noisy New York apartment.
Okay, the baby's right across from her in the room, but outside are
very loud car horns and sirens, and she can sleep right through that.
But as soon as the baby makes a little noise, she wakes up.
Her brain wakes her up. And that's because that brain, the brain let
that signal true. So until you start to question the matrix, like the
Truman Show is the greatest example of this waking up process, you're not going
to see it even when it's shown to you, which is what we're all
astonished at. How However, calcitrant and just blind the people are. They're
they're absolutely stubborn, no amount of incredible proof. You know, I call
it what I call the shock and awe approach. Well, surely if I
give them twenty examples, they'll they'll see it. Nope, Nope. It's
funny you talk about the Truman Show. In Hollywood, we talk about lies
in the media and truth in the Hollywood. Truth in Hollywood, excuse me,
and I imagine the mockery and just the folks at the top of the
food chain sitting back and laughing at us. As as I always say,
we pay for our own end doctrination, whether it be through the movies or
through our cable television bill. We pay for our own indoctrination. And then
even Hollywood people don't There's many people out there who don't even understand the term
holly wood is something that is used to place like curses or spells on people.
Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that because these things that we see when
we see like I'll use the Lunar Lander as an example, when I was
shown that it only took me about five minutes after you know, living my
entire adult life like age fifty five, believing that when I saw it,
I saw how absolutely ridiculous this thing looks like it's made of cardboard, the
cardboards buckling, it's got like it's kurtain rods. There's scotch tape on the
thing going down, and I'm thinking, this is this is so obviously not
a spacecraft that they almost had to have done this on purpose. And I
believe that's part of the incantations. You mentioned incantations like a pinch of a
dead man's grave and a pinch of bat wing right in their in their formula.
So what they do in these deceptions, I believe is they put obvious
clues into the fakery, so that if you'll accept those, that sort of
gives the demons permission to sort of enslave your volition, your mind, then
we become assimilated. Like the board, it's a it's a, it's a.
The matrix has a naturalistic component, but it definitely has a metaphysical component
for sure. Um kind of leaning towards your book, I love how you
open it up. You simply say this book is for those who can see.
And the one question that many of us have once we get on this
side, we take the red pill. And maybe we're a bit hypocritical at
first because we're new to the truth. But the big question that you ask
is why can't people see? And again, there's many reasons for it that
we've discussed, but one of the big problems that you address in the book
is, I guess, once you can see, for lack of better words,
it does bring a sense of freedom to people, right and it brings
a lot of people closer to God, but it does throw another wrench in
people's life, specifically when people within relationships don't see eye to eye, when
you have one a spouse who is awake and can see and another one who
not only doesn't, but like gets irritated when somebody brings that up. And
I'm sure there's a ton of people listening right now that are going through that
one hundred percent. I think everybody knows, like when you're a normy,
you know what conspiracy theory is how they're treated. In fact, in that
very first page or two, I mentioned a passage from the Book of Leviticus
that talks about how God told them the lepers had to cry out unclean,
uncleaned, so nobody would come near them. And so the Central planners have
been excellent at programming this type of viewpoint with the term conspiracy theorist, which
is a nineteen sixty seven bulletin that went out by the CIA that had these
different talking points to try to quell the folks that were questioning the JFK assassination.
And of course that's where this term conspiracy theorist was introduced, and it's
a character assassination term. It's designed to shame you into silence. It means
a lot of things. It means, well, if I say, well,
that's a conspiracy theory, what that means is, I don't believe what
you're saying is true. I believe you should be ashamed for even bringing it
up, because only crazy people talk about those things, and I don't want
you to ever bring it up again. It's all of those things that are
wrapped up in this term. So if you're confronted with becoming one of those
people, it doesn't take much effort to realize, you know what you would
be getting into. You're basically going to invite persecution. So a lot of
people know that and they just are like, no, thanks, Yeah,
And that is certainly a very frustrating thing and something that many of us deal
with. I want to talk a little bit about the controllers. We use
different terms. Controllers is one of them. They listen, they do have
technology that is pretty amazing, even simple things like WiFi, something that we
couldn't even have fathoms and like say the eighties, and other types of technology.
But I think their most powerful weapon. And I could go on and
on about it, but it's simple, and Satan is the master of it.
And that's deceit, and that goes into the most of the rabbit holes.
It's mostly about deceit and to keep us, I guess, in control,
for them to control us. You know where I'm getting at. Yeah,
yeah, so, but just formulated question, give me, give me
a little bit more to so I can respond like you want me to.
So the world, the controllers, the folks that are actually behind this,
and whether you want to say it's the Rothchilds or Rockefellers, they use all
these weapons, whether it's COVID, the moon landing, all these lists,
all the conspiracies. I think for two reasons for population control. I do
think the very first general order, whatever you want to call it. On
the Georgia guidestones. You can look at the vaccines. They're all to keep
population control down. But the second most important, this is a war of
good against evil, and I think their most powerful tool out of all of
them is deceit. And you can look into the Bible where Satan, you
know, tempted Jesus for forty days and forty nights in the desert and he
even said you can have all this, So I think that lends credence to
the fact that this is Satan's realm, and just kind of nodding to the
fact that I think how important deceit is to these people to use as a
tool of control. Excellent, Okay, now, now I understand where you're
going, all right, So yes, I've noticed that they go to great
lengths to get us to participate. They can't do They're not all powerful.
Satan is not all powerful and has emissaries on Earth are not all powerful,
so they do have to use deceit coercion to get us to participate. So
a good example is the mask mandates were only possible because of acquiescence, because
people went all right, and and so this whole move towards what has talked
about in the Book of Revelation, that the new world order, the one
world system where the economic, religious, infinity acial systems or government, political,
economic, and religious systems are all combined. We see that uncloaking require
deception to pull it off. And you saw this with the League of Nations
back in the time when they tried to roll out the League of Nations.
Many of the churches at that time were speaking, they were into eschatology,
so they talked about end times stuff, and because of that, the population
saught for what it was and rejected it. And so you know, my
lane that I'm in is I've been providing a biblical analysis of the Mandel effect
for the last six years. That's what I do, some sort of a
one trick pony, and I go off into other stuff, of course,
but so I'm very keyed into the path that the church is on with deceit
with truth, and so now it's kind of all it's raining red pills.
But yeah, it's somehow the church leaders are among the most normally in their
responses. Um. Yeah, that I have ever seen. Very strange,
it is, and that is a very common. Um. I guess complaint
that I get in emails and when we bring our listeners on for interviews is
um, I guess how they look in many cases in Genesis, you know,
the description of Genesis, how that they're willing to accept a burning bush
was talking but not maybe biblical cosmology and the art story and things like that.
Right, the Bible is absolutely a supernatural book. It's a it's a
it's a chronicling of God's supernatural interactions with man, and people claim to believe
it, but then when these supernatural things happen, like Mandel effect is a
beauty, it's a it's a phenomenon, they slept it off like it's you
know, crazy stuff. So the deception piece, though, is really an
important piece because it's the centerpiece of our conflict with our friends and family.
In other words, we're coming to them with notebooks filled with facts and truth.
If you look it up in the dictionary, it means things that are
factual. And what is factual in the dictionary, it's things that are obvious.
And so if you bring these observations, which many of us feel are
very obvious, the problem that we discover with our friends and family is that
they don't It's not that they don't know, okay, it's they don't want
to know. They love their happy life. That's what I call it.
And this is a buzz kill. All of our little discoveries that we traffick
in mostly are bad news. And then they don't want that disruption. So
I've been told I don't know and I don't want to know. Well that
that leaves the truther with their nerve endings hanging out, because now you're you're
all worked up, right, because your whole world has shifted underneath you.
Like the Truman Show guy he finds out his wife's an actress or his fiance
and the whole city that lives in is a TV studio. It would be
unimaginable for him to find that out and then just go right back to living
his life the way he had, right. So the Truther this, listening
to this is ruined for life as usual. So I started telling my wife.
I said, Honey, I got off the bus. Okay, I
can't. I can't do life like you're doing it anymore. And she she
couldn't comprehend that paradigm shift that I'd gone through. And this is another thing,
and I'm sure your listeners can relate to this one. Normans have as
much compassion for you as if they found out you were a pedophile. Right.
It goes from the idea that they don't know, and they don't want
to know, so they don't ask me anymore, how are you doing because
they don't want me to. They don't want to open up any doors where
I might start talking about something crazy. Yes, So it's very isolating,
you know, if you're a Truther, you're probably walking the lonely road,
no question. And I used to be the guy at the parties. Everybody
would gather on me and I'd make people laugh. Now I show up to
the pool parties, people just disappear and walk up here it comes crazy uncle
George. Yep, yep. And and it's very frustrating because we're right and
they're wrong. Like being very direct about that. Yeah, you are correct,
Truther. Congratulations, great job, You're awesome. Okay, because if
you're taking it on the chin so much, and I just want to be
the voice of encouragement to you. You're not crazy. The things that you
see, we all see them too. We're with you. You're not alone.
Right, So you go into these environments though, where you are not
only the only one that is questioning these things. The normy has what I
call a death to truth or algorithm. It's part of the programming to strike
out at you and use shaming techniques and attack factors to shut you up.
It's very universal and so it's very intimidating. If you go into these environments
and you dare open your mouth about it, you're going to get not just
difficult conversation, you're going to get attacks. So I get into those things
in the book. It's broken up with the two sections. The first section
part of the book is inside the mind of truthers, so it kind of
breaks down what makes you tick. But the second part is inside the mind
of normies, and it's like, why do they attack us? And you
know, how do you deal with their attacks? Yeah, because a lot
of us have struggle. We really struggle with how to verus because they're intimidating.
It's really hard. And speaking of attacks, the attack on Truthers,
especially over the last three four years have escalated. I've been booted off PayPal,
I've had YouTube channels obliterated, on and on and on. But I
always say, if you're catching flak, you're probably over the target. Indeed,
And you know, the elites had to push back their timetable to twenty
thirty because of people like us. It's people like us again, they're not
all powerful and they have to get every wanted to go along, and so
they are scared of the truth or community. They fight us because they're scared
of us. So it's kind of like Mel Gibson in Braveheart when he was
fighting. Yeah, I think it was the British or whatever, and the
girl goes, if you don't stop, they're going to kill you. And
he had the greatest comeback. He said, all men die, but not
all men live. And that's the perfect segue. That's exactly where I was
going next. I'm looking right at it now, page thirty seven. All
men die, but not all men live. And that was important to me
because that is something I started to say even publicly, like in twenty the
end of twenty twenty one into twenty twenty two, I would go into a
grocery store and still people would be wearing their masks, standing far apart from
each other. Somebody sneezed people to jump behind the bananas like they were in
combat. And I would often say, I was like, people are so
worried about dying that you have forgotten how to live. And so many people
just took three years of their lives and just threw it away. Yep,
yep. It was. It was incredible to stand back as a Truther because
we're accused of living in fear a lot, excuse me. And then we
watched all of the people follow Fauci and the voices on TV follow them right
into fear where they were all wearing their masks and lining up. And I
had the same experience where people would get upset if you didn't social distance,
and I refused to cooperate. I was always getting in trouble. You know,
you're the perfect person to ask this question, because I got very upset
about it. You being a pastor for as long as you have, how
you felt when you saw all the pastors close their churches in twenty twenty.
Yeah, there was very few that didn't. I know, Rodney hard Brown
down in Florida got arrested, and there was some other few, but it
was a handful that stood up and said, hello, you know, God
can heal us. Hello, We're not afraid of bugs. Like Psalm's ninety
one, he that dwells in the secret place of the most pishal abide under
the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, he is
my refuge and my fortress, my God, and whom I trust. Surely
the noise and pestilence and that will not come near me. Right, So
all of that is we're being asked to abandon all of that and h and
follow the white coat Freemason scientism guys into forcing us out of business, right,
And they've got one pastor up in Canada. I can't remember his name,
but they're they're about to put him in prison for ten years for incitement
because he refused to bow the knee. And so the pastors universally lined up
behind the talking points of the plandemic, the scandemic and had shoes broken up.
So there was you know, a tape, you know, one pew
separating all the other pews. Everybody's massed up in their closure churches. And
we're looking back as Christian truthers, and we're thinking, you know, maybe
one or two, but not ninety percent would bite down on this. But
that's exactly what we saw, even with the vacts, which is even more
egregious. Yeah, and by the way, let's press the pause button as
truthers, and not to say I told you so, not to put it
on them, but on us. Good job. Okay, this was validation
extraordinaire. Okay, because we were you know, six years ago. When
you become a truther, excuse me, you start to perceive the danger that's
you know, operating under the radar. So you know, now the red
glove of tyranny has come off the velvet glove, right, But back then
it was ridiculous to suggest that the people in charge weren't you dead right,
So now we're telling that story and we're being told we're obsessed and we're crazy
and shut up a house. And then but now you've seen this thing rolled
out. It's basically, they operationalize theirugenics program and we're validated. We are,
we are totally vindicated. But don't expect any apologies because somehow they'll they'll
spin it like, no, it's normal to talk about these things, of
course, And and speaking of normalizing things, it's it's egregious how they're trying
to normalize. Oh, twenty year old kids have been having heart attacks forever?
What are you talking about? Wow? Isn't that amazing that this stats
on that are so obvious? And yet again it's it's this whole idea that
you don't want to know. And actually, Jesus was asked what is the
end days going to be like? And the one he keyed in on,
out of all the things that Jesus could have pointed to to describe what the
end days will be like, he said this, it will be like the
days of Noah. They will be eating and drinking and given in marriage right
up until the time the flood came. To think about that, he said,
the normies will continue to be normies and they won't be able to tell
what's going on. I saw Got the other day. I was like,
wow, that is a that is a truth or scripture. Right, there's
powerful. If that's not a key for everybody to take their television to throw
it out their window, I don't know what is right. One more question
before I get back to your book and a word you coin, which is
very interesting, but we were just talking about the Truman Show. I often
say that I think very little of our world is actually organic, and I'm
including everything from pop culture to politics, to everything that's a part of us.
Would you agree or how much of our society, our culture, of
our world is actually organic. When you see organic, you mean like not
fake not Yeah, exactly, like everything from we are the world to hands
across America to the elections, just just everything that is a part of our
day to day society. That's a fascinating question. Excuse me, I just
need a little drink of water here. Yeah, no worries it's that time
of here we are talking with By the way, John Kerwin, author of
the book The Conspiracy Theorists Survival Guide, a guidebook for persecuted truthers that is
available on Amazon and it is available on paperback and kindle, and the links
will be in the show description. Make sure you go check that out and
support John. Thank you. And that's a great question. This is something
that I've been really praying and thinking about in our community. In the truth
or community, we are very suspicious generally, and I think sometimes we overthink
or overcomplicate what we're seeing. So for instance, what I'll hear everybody's a
shill. Anybody that's out in the public domain, especially high up in the
power structure, if they're up there, they're a shill. Well, is
that really true? Like how much of the people, like, for instance,
do you think JFK who was assassinated was a shill? Most people would
say no, because they killed them. So that I point to that as
an example of somebody that came out against the deep state and was actually an
enemy of the deep state in a sense, and they killed them for so
Having said that, it's very difficult for us as truthers unless you have a
relative that's high up in the power structure giving you intel, or you have
military contexts. All we have are people like you, George, and then
other people myself and different truth or journalists, and then we have to kind
of triangulate. If I hear the same thing from four or five different people
that I've listened to for years and I trust, then I can sort of
form my worldview based on that. Right, But none of us really know,
George, how absolutely bizarre and deceived we are. I think it's more
to come exactly. That is an ongoing question that will continue to ask ourselves.
For sure, you coin the term official dumb, which I really like
it. You kind of mentioned if you started to question official dumb, do
you and believe in conspiracy theories? And you're probably walking a lonely road,
and you touch on that phrase a bit in your book and you talk about
how it's cast a spell, and could you kind of elaborate on how you
believe official dumb has cast a spell? Yes, And it was during the
conversation I had with one of my kids and they said, Dad, I
wish you were just normal, and maybe some of your listeners have had that
told to them in different ways as well. And so after the conversation,
I went and I looked up what the term normal means, and what it
means is conforming to a standard, usual, typical expectant, and I was
like, Wow, that's really telling. But when I looked up the term
conform, then I realized this was probably one of the greatest revelations that I
got in my research over the last six years. Is the definition of normal
or to conform, it means to comply with the rules. So when you
become a truther, what are you doing? You're starting to question the rules.
You're starting to question the official story, the officialdom, the narrative that's
coming out of the media, and the pharmaceutical industry and the military industrial complex.
All of that messaging is all controlled. And so when you start to
question that, then your friends and family see you as having fallen in with
a bad crowd. They see you as going rogue or becoming like criminal,
almost especially if you're like me. I've become an American state national, We've
reputated our fourteenth Amendment status, and those are those are things that the normy
just freaks out about. I mean, they just think you have gone off
the rails, and so that whole spin where they try to create this atmosphere
of decorum and respect, where you kind of brainwashed into passivity, where you
stop questioning, well, hate or love Trump. One of the things that
I saw him do, which I had never seen in my life, was
he came out in these press conferences and he began to talk like we would
talk, and he would confront them head on and say the most incredible things
like like, you know, you're not very you're not your your ratings are
extremely low, and you're not really honest, are you. No, no
real leader had ever done anything like that before. And what he did for
millions of people is for the first time, he broke the spell that that
officialdom spell that was cast where we saw these news people like in the press
room or we're in a press conference, we saw them as legitimate. But
after he devastated that that picture of them, we began to see them for
what they really are, as highly trained operatives with an agenda to enslave humanity.
I mean, they all should be hung for treason. Yeah, we're
in a war with an attractable enemy, and that's what truthers have realized,
and then your spouse or your children and your friends, they're just fun,
fun seasons in the sun. They're planning the next vacation. They're chasing the
dollar and the next thrill ride. And you've gone from living on a on
a cruise line, you're living on a battleship. Now you're on a war
footing. And you can't reconcile those two worldviews. They're opposite. Yeah,
and I will tell you not to turn it into a Trump episode, but
I had so many. I was on team Trump, and then some things
he did were very positive. Some things he did as far as draining the
swamp, was more questionable. And it's just this up and down thing.
One thing I think we can all agree on is this country has certainly been
hijacked. And I don't think it's anything new. I think it goes back
to nineteen thirteen. You know, the day they created the FED. What
is it, December twenty third, nineteen thirteen. That was the beginning of
the end of this country where we really you know, the rothschild say that
I don't care who your president, It's as long as whoever controls the money
it controls the country, and man, when you can't even make the interest
payments, like we struggle to make our annual interest payments, and we're about
to get thirty three trillion dollars in debt. We're living in a wild,
wild world, and it should be nice to have somebody at the top of
the food chain address the real problems, which are the Federal Reserve getting rid
of all and I mean all of the three letter agencies giving the Department of
Education back to the States. We have so many problems, and it's like
being in a car accident and the car's total. I think we're beyond reproach
as far as fixing it. I think you kind of read the second paragraph
of the Declaration of Independence, and you know, if it's beyond reproach,
you may have to start over. What are your thoughts on that? Indeed,
I mean even just to fall upon the Trump observation. I remember the
night he announced his victory, and then right in that speech, his whole
campaign was lock her up, talking about Hillary, and then he said,
oh, well, she's not such a bad per really, So you know,
a lot of us were hopeful because he did incredible things that no one
had ever done. But then when he doubled down on the vacks. I
mean for a lot of us, that was the last straw. That was
too much. So yeah, that was very disappointing. And then that I
just saw mame today that said, you know, twenty seventeen, lock her
up in twenty twenty and lock us up. Speaking to the lockdowns, you
know, nobody's coming to save us. No, but manning these posts like
myself, I mean, I've lost everything. I didn't mention this, but
my wife divorced me after twenty four years of marriage four ten. I'm sorry.
I was happily married and and it's over the last six years, I've
literally personally indirectly corresponded with probably close to two hundred people. I've interacting with
thousands, tens of thousands, but two hundred directly that have told me they
were divorced by their spouse because they're truth or now, as a word of
encouragement, if you've gone through that, or if you're in a marriage that
is vacuous and you're miles apart, ninety nine percent of the time, it's
not you. Because I was questioning, man, am I just too mock
five of my hair on a fire. Is it just me? No?
Because think about it? Does the truth? Third ever, go to the
normy and say, if you don't talk to me about these crazy things,
I can't have a relationship with you. Do we do that? Of course?
Not? No, no, But what does happen? And I talk
about this in chapter six is the three stages of rejection, And in the
third stage, it gets to the point where you're given what I call shut
up or else orders. You're told I was told this by my wife and
most of my kids, all of my kids in one way or another,
Dad, if you talk about crazy things, I can't have a relationship with
you. Well, when you find out about the Federal Reserve is in federal
and you start turning over rocks, it's like everything's crazy. So I actually
made a list and it's in the book. It lists, Okay, because
they don't tell you what crazy is like, they'll tell you I don't want
to talk about crazy things, but they never tell you what they would consider
crazy. Sort. I made a list and it's two pages and it's basically
everything. It's everything. And so when you're when your friends and family tell
you that, they're basically telling you that they don't want to have a relationship
with you. Yeah, and that that that is tough. I've lost a
lot of friends, I will tell you that. But my immediately family,
I'm very blessed. My wife is on board, and the rest of my
family just tolerates it. I guess, and yeah, we've come to the
mutual understanding. I don't bring it up, and uh, well it's a
one sided deal. I guess. I don't bring it up and they're happy.
I guess that's the deal, um, and so be it. Um.
Here we have the mantra. We leave breadcrumbs instead of trying to shove
it down their throats, and I think that has been more successful for me
when if it's there's something I want to share, I'll leave breadcrumbs and if
they're motivated enough that it interests them, then they go down the rabbit hole
themselves. Because I think it goes back to the old mantra. You can
lead a horse to the water, but it's up to them to drink it.
Absolutely, and I advocate maintain what do whatever you have to do without
compromising your integrity too much. To maintain your marriage and your friendships, you
don't want to sacrifice that on the altar of truth unless you're forced into it
where you're given that ultimatum. But the the what you're asked to do is
basically to pretend that you believe like they do by being silent for the rest
of your life. That's what you're required to do. And that's not something
that I would impose on my spouse. I would not require that of them,
So it's very unfair. Truthers feel very misunderstood, definitely disrespected, and
reject it. Those are the primary emotional states that we have to carry.
I think the thing that frustrates us most as truthers is when we got to
have a conversation with somebody. Let's just pull one out of the air.
Let's say Oklahoma City, okay, and you try to explain to someone that
that was an inside job, the ATF was involved. People ninety five percent
of people will blindly say you're crazy. But if you ask them questions about
the incident itself, they can't answer any of the questions with zero knowledge.
They'll defend nine to eleven, they'll defend Oklahoma City, and we could go
on and on and on. We have the facts. They don't even know
one tenth of the story, even in many cases the actual propagated story by
mainstream media, and that in itself when you and these are the people that
champion scientism and listen to the you know, the people who have done all
the studies. Most of the people who get behind a microphone, we've taken
the time or to even you don't have to be behind a microphone to come
out and talk about these things. We've done the studies, we've done the
research, but people still vehemently defend things without any knowledge of what they're defending.
Of course, it's an absolutely universal and at the core of that what
makes you tick Truther is integrity. Integrity is what drives you to be able
to see and to want to see because human beings are given a conscience.
Okay, it's the devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other.
Don't do that, George, yeah, George, do it right. Yeah,
So we all have that. It's an eight. It's automatic. So
what happens is, let's say you're a Normy and I'll use the moon landing
as a archetype of any conspiracy. Okay, moon you find out the moon
landing is fake for the first time. The moment you see that and you
come to that conclusion, your conscience is activated. Okay. In other words,
what you sense is that this is true. Okay, the fact that
you've been lied to is a lie, and the fact that this is fake
is true, and your conscience is bothered. Right, you're vexed by that.
Okay now. But then what happens is then this aspect of integrity is
then introduces itself. Integrity steps in and says, okay, well, what
am I going to do with this? Because you can silence your conscience,
or you can obey your conscience. You can go with the devil, or
you can go with a little angel. So what integrity says to you is,
it doesn't matter where the truth takes me, because it's the truth.
So you essentially honor truth above the consequences of going down that path. And
so at the very core of the Normani's ideals are what I call the happy
life. They value their happy life over the truth, and so they're willing
to basically have a true truth abortion. And so that's why when you go
to them and you're like, look at this, look at this, and
you just think you're gonna overwhelm them with facts, and they're gonna flip no,
no because they're fending it off. I'll give you a perfect example.
All right. So if I'm home and I get a knock on the doors
the police, and the police come and they say it's just your son so
and so, Yes, okay, well we're here to arrest him for murder,
and I would say what I would say, You've got the wrong house,
all right, And then they give him a social media so they say,
no, it's him, and I go, it's not him. There's
no way, and they say, well, we have proof, okay,
And this would be my response, I don't care what proof you have.
I know my son, and so you won't look at the proof, You'll
say, I'll have to talk to him myself. So when you confronted with
the moon landing being fake or whatever it is, what's coming up in your
soul is that you would have to be really stupid to have been faked out
by that your whole life. So first of all, you've got to overcome
your pride issue, and then you've got to overcome the fact that you're going
to be persecuted because they're persecuting you, ye so they know, they know
what they're going to get if they join your little posse, right, yea,
yeah, So you know there's all of these all of these voices going
off in their heads simultaneously that are the opposite of what integrity is telling them
to do. Follow your conscience, It's true, and you know it.
And well I see that all the time when I'll sit down with a pastor
and we'll talk about Bible changes, man, that'll effect and they get them
all wrong. And then I can see that they're lying to themselves though,
and they just don't care because they don't want to go there. Yeah,
that's that's that's the key. They just don't want to go there. And
that leads to something that's very personal to me. When I got to this,
this is something I wrestled with every day. I was a career soldier.
Everyone in my family going back to the Civil War served the country,
and most of us in combat as well. Um I was in during nine
to eleven and I was in Iraq for fifty one months, I mean,
four and a half years of my life over there, and many of us
knew what was going on, and to this day, I'm shocked that that
George W. Bush and his henchmen, you know, are free and we're
not held accountable. And we talk about the term patriot, and you talk
about the term patriot in your book about a marine you knew, and I
think the word patriot, and not to be insulted to anyone, but you
know, there's people on social media who called themselves patriots for for tweeting certain
things or for putting out maims, and people give themselves digital purple hearts.
You know, I'm trying to put this the right way. We all know
that, Okay, So I think it's important that we have a military.
I'll succede to that, whether it's it's militias or whatever. Otherwise I guess
we'd all be speaking Mandarin or Russian. However, the people at the top
of the food chain and what this country has been used for going back to
World War One, I guess would be the proper date. And again,
not to go off lane here, but I don't think if we didn't have
the Federal Reserve, we would have the funds for these world wars, so
that it always goes back to the bankers. By the way, isn't that
funny? But I agree with you, whoever the military. Moreover, I
think the people who run the military need to be put in the place,
and I think we as society ourselves have to do a better job of holding
these people accountable before we just go sending off our loved ones off to war.
Okay, I rac should have never happened Afghanistan. We can go Vietnam,
we can go Desert, we can go Korea, and we can even
debate about World War One. On World War two, both presidents Wilson and
Roosevelt stood before the nation and said, hey, don't worry, your sons
aren't going to go to war. And as soon as that election cycle happened,
well, they created these little false flags and boom, off to war
we went. So even as someone who was retired from the military, and
as soon as I retired, I took I went down the rabbit holes because
I said, I knew there was something wrong with nine to eleven. I
knew the war in Iraq was unjust, and I lived in the military.
With my moral compass, I can still sleep at night. But the thing
I can't sleep at night with sometimes is the friends that I lost over there.
And then you see where the country is today, and you think,
why in the world did they Why were they sacrificed for this, for being
told if you don't take a vaccine, you're going to lose your job.
And for where we are as a society today, that is what I wrestle
with. Indeed, this is fascinating because you're the first person that I've actually
talked to since I wrote the book. This particular chapter, this was a
very difficult chapter to write because it's a very complicated issue. It's very vitriolic,
and I try to go overboard in making certain that people understood the respect
and the honor that I have for anybody that wears the uniform. And I
said, as long as man has lived, there's been war. So it's
a very complicated subject. And really, until Christ returns, there's going to
be war. So absolutely, how can you possibly enumerate all of the important
contributions that military personnel and the institutions as a whole have contributed to society,
Because God in the beginning instituted three institutions to order society, marriage, the
church, and government, and part of that is military. Having said that,
though um, like I said, I based my position on the Emperor
has no close idea where the kid refuses to go along with everybody saying,
oh yeah, the emperor has this beautiful robe and he's like hello, So
what was what was your sense when you read that part? If you have
you read that part, because I know you haven't read the whole book,
but oh yeah, I've I've read that part, and I've I've talked about
it often. I don't hide to that fact. I've said often that patriotism
is a hell of a drug. Manum people were lined up on September twelfth.
I've buddies who were in in the recruiting business in September of two thousand
and one. He said there was lines around the corner to join the military.
And then in retrospect, when you know that it was an inside job,
you truly realize, going back to what I was saying earlier, how
the controller's greatest weapon is to set and they know exactly how to manipulate our
minds. Yeah, right, Like I'm if I'm in a fast food restaurant
and I see the seventy eight year old guy with the hat on that says
he's a World War two veteran, I'm so conflicted. My heart breaks for
him because, in other words, he's wearing that hat everywhere he goes because
to him that what he did, his sacrifice, was the defining aspect of
his entire life. So if you ask somebody what was the most important thing
you ever did to him, it was in regima, it was you know,
what he did in the war. But but you know, at the
same time, I know that all wars are bank or wars, and we've
just been pressured into this belief that you know, what do you mean you
don't support the troops. It's like blasphemy to express anything but undying devotion.
And you get all tier eyed at the football game when they march out the
latest recruits, and I'm like, stop, stop this. This is why
this is continuing. It goes back to the mask thing. We have to
stop participating in the lies if we're going to push back the timetable, right,
And that's something I put across often is we can beat them without firing
a bullet. We just stopped participating in their games. Yes, walk away
from their society. And I do want to hear more about what you had
mentioned about the fourteenth Amendment and what you're doing there well, that's a whole,
you know. I remember saying when I found out the different things that
I've come to find in this journey of six years. And I remember,
like a three or four years ago, I think, I wonder what the
next shoe to drop is. And I started finding out about this idea that
the governments are corporations. Well I started looking it up. You can do
it yourself. You would have done them Brad Street and look up your city,
your state, your county. Then you can look up everything from the
district attorney's office, the court system, the police department, all the way
down to the dog catcher. All of them are all of them haven't done
in Bradstreet. Number they're all privately held for profit businesses. And that one
revelation is enough to start you down this path. And so what that means
is they're de facto governments. They're fake, they're pretending to be governments.
So the judge in your court case is an employee of a privately held for
profit business. Okay, don't. I don't have a contract with you.
You're not God, you're not my daddy, and I'm not your property.
So what right do you have to tell me to do anything none. If
you remove yourself, if you remove the contracts that you have been tricked into
contracting with them with, then you remove their ability to boss you around.
So, for instance, if you go into a supermarket as a customer and
you're pinching the grapefruits right, you're going to buy some fruit, and the
manager walks over and says, George, I need you to go over here
and sweep the floor and put those boxes in the back room, and you're
like looking behind you, like, wait, are you talking to me?
He has no jurisdiction to tell you to do anything. However, if you
had come there several weeks prior and said I'd like to work here, and
you filled out their job application and we're hired, that was you agreeing to
be able to be bossed around. So if I'm pulled over on the side
of the road by law enforcement, which now are not law enforcement, their
police, their policy enforcers, then what happens is if I've done the process
that I've gone through, I've extricated myself from the contracts with his agency,
and he has as much jurisdiction over me as the manager in the supermarket has
over and a customer, and it's freedom. We have a process for becoming
a legal non taxpayer with the individuals representing SATAN and this is a key right
here. We won't have to go into this too much, but this is
one of the things you hear. What do you mean the laws don't apply
to you? Well, no, we don't believe that. But there is
a difference between statutes and laws. So several Supreme Court cases like Flerndie v.
State National says a code or statute is not a law Ray self versus
Ray Win. A code is not a law. So there's all these Supreme
Court rulings that state very clearly a code, a policy is not a laws.
So for instance, if I'm charged with improper lange change, I don't
use my blinker, is there an injured party involved? No? No,
no, And so Sharer v. Cullen says, for a crime to exist,
there must be an injured party. So in the absence of an injured
party, under common law, there is no crime. So if you if
you understand that that improper lane change citing is a code, it's not a
law. I haven't broken the law. I've violated one of your company's policies.
Okay, now having established that, then you what you find out and
this is a brainwashing thing. This is hard for people to accept, is
that statutes, codes, and rules apply to citizens of the corporation, not
American state nationals or freemen. So yes, laws apply to me, but
like if there's an injured party, I have to make them whole. But
your laws, your rules, the supermarket rules don't apply to me. I'm
a customer. It's exactly the same colonial pipeline v Tregel statutes apply only to
state created creatures known as corporations. Period. So what happens is when you're
born, they create a corporation in your name, and they use your name
in all capital letters. It's absolutely real and right. They get you to
stand in for that corporate fiction. And so it's this really weird kind of
mental game they're playing. And what you have to learn to do is you
have to learn to say, excuse me, excuse me, I'm not your
little corporation. I'm a I'm a living person. And you have to start
playing their word games and get out of it. And the key to this,
because I studied for probably six years before I actually dove in and started
taking action because I saw people get in trouble for you know, trying to
pick a fight with the structure. It's a big fight. Well, what
happens is I heard again I say, don't act like a king until you
are a king. That's my guy. Make sure you have your knowledge and
your ducks in a row. Well, that's it. You First. What
happens is a lot of people start to learn the lingo and they think that
that's sufficient for them to uh, you know, try to exert their rights.
But that what they don't realize is they're still contracted with that guy.
So the manager of the supermarket has every right to boss your own. Now,
you can still get around it, but it's a lot harder. If
you've got your paperwork done, then it's very peaceful and it's very easy,
and it's very very free not to have to comply with all the stuff.
And you know they're free. It's just it's incredible. It's not for the
Truth Committee. It's nice to flush the parasite from your body, is what
you're saying. Oh boy, um, let me ask you just to follow
up to that. I've looked into this a little bit. This isn't one
of the subjects that I've gone very deep in. But does this tie back.
I've heard this mentioned several times. Is the Organic Act of eighteen seventy
one really what turned this country into a corporation? Yeah, they basically just
mirrored it and they hijacked it. And so there's two of everything. There's
the United States of America, which is the organic Constitution, and then there's
United States all caps. There's there's the United States post Office, and then
there's the Postal Service through two different things. There's the IRS and then there's
the Internal Revenue Service. They're not the same thing. So even in the
court systems, there's two courts. At one time there were there were actually
two courts. There was civil law and common law, and it was very
arduous, so they basically combined them. So but they still are both in
operation. So when you if you go into court, let's say you're going
to fight a speeding ticket or we'll use the improper lane change as an example.
If I actually went in the court, which I probably wouldn't even get
that far, but I if I did, I would go in as a
plaintiff, not as a defendant, and I would immediately convene my own common
law court in basically claim my status as a sovereign. This is what we've
we've been brainwashed out of, you know, because they basically tag you with
three terms residence, citizen, and person. And all of those three terms
don't mean what you think they mean. They're basically slave terms. And if
you use them, then they got you like you're you're basically agreeing to their
scam. And so you have to learn how to use the right terms.
And but you have to have your documents to be able to show. Look,
I'm not in your game anymore, and if you stop, if you
keep messing with me, we're going to Title eighteen, which is deprivation of
rights under caller of law. So we just sue, you know, if
we have to. We start writing toward claims because we're not playing and we
still we're not in North Korea yet, we still have recourse, but not
yet. What they're doing now with Trump, I mean, you know,
I don't know if it's all stage or what, but it's just it's definitely
lawfare is used on good people. We know that, oh one hundred percent,
this is Bolshevik revolution type stuff that they're doing right now. For sure,
it's nuts. Why are true? There's willing to lose everything, and
I think you covered it just now by the way, that's you're very passionate
when you speak about that. Is that something you're considering for a book getting
into the fourteenth and what we just talked about not a book, But I
do training every Monday night with folks from my community on free conference call.
I'm not really on YouTube or anything with that content just because I prefer not
to broadcast that. Sure I understood stuff, but I'm helping a bunch of
people that have gone with me into that. I even started a done with
you outreach where folks get unlimited access to me until their process is done for
you know, a donation because some people just don't have a lot of time.
And that's a lot of a lot of fun for me. I'm having
more fun with that because the enslavement on the front where you're a corporate citizen,
so it is so binding, it's so destructive, like what they're going
to do with with the irs now, it's going to be devastated to people.
Where As of January, everything over six hundred dollars will have to be
reported on your income that's of a garage sale, right, eBay sale whatever.
I mean, like they're just gonna do with death by a thousand cuts.
And then there's seventy six or eighty four thousand IRS agents. We verified
the classified ads on that were legitimate. So it's said they had to be
willing to wear a firearm to their audits. So what does that tell you?
Jeez? Right, So my point is that many people are hesitant to
jump into this, But my point is that's the very reason to do it,
okay, because you're going to be a harder target. You're gonna start
to get some legal hacks on your belt. You're gonna have some documentation that
is going to make you outside their jurisdiction. You're going to learn how to
do a toward claim, You're going to learn how to file an administrative process
where you are requiring them to verify, and all these different things that we're
learning. It's the legal education movement, and it's fascinating and it's exciting because
just like with you know, being an army, where you don't question anything,
we have not questioned any of that stuff. We've just believed it's all,
you know, just the normal evolution of things in our country and bla,
no, it's all like you said, how much of it is organic?
None of it from have a stock. And you know, they infiltrated
the music industry back in the sixties. And then I don't know if you've
ever read Dave mccowan's book Weird Scenes, where he talks about how everybody in
the music scene in the nineteen sixties from the United States all came from this
one small neighborhood in California, you know, all their pair of hills.
I just talked Penny Shepherd about that. I thought the Penny Shepherd just about
a week ago and we talked about it. I can't remember it's the name
of it, but it was, Yeah, it was a CIA hangout,
and and what's the guy from the Doors and the Moms and the Papas and
Monkeys, all these bands that we thought we were just organically came out of
the you know, the hippie scene or whatever. No, they were all
plants. They were all basically designed and put out there to shape and mold
the narrative of sex, drugs, rock and roll too, you know,
make our civilization toxic. And it just you know, trying to bring us
down. Yeah, Laurel Canyon. There you go. That's it, Laurel
Canyon. And I don't know if you knew, but Jim Morrison's dad,
George Morrison, h yeah, he responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Yeah, isn't that something I just thought? I thought, well, you
know, you couldn't make this stuff up, man, No, if you
gave it to a movie director that would laugh as into a back hair of
phase. It's just endless to the rabbit holes connections. And this is what's
so frustrating for the truth or because you know, we have this stuff laid
out in front of us and it is important. So this is another big
problem with the Truther's journey is you you're told that this stuff is fake.
Like, my kids basically are upset with me because they think that dad is
a week com minded boob that was tricked by photoshop tricks and he broke up
the family. That's their perception of me. And then, and that's a
horrible thing to have your kids think that of you, right, Yeah,
But then what's even more horrible is that when I've tried to go to them
as like, look, you know, honey, I'm not wrong. These
are things that are real, and mom and Daddy just didn't agree. And
you know, if you would see this as what it really is, you
know maybe we can have a relationship. I don't want to talk about it.
So you're basically you're just you're put in this box that you're a nut
job by your family, and then you're cut off from being able to try
to fix it. That I know is universal, That is everybody's experience,
and it's devastating because you feel totally helpless and powerless. Is then what do
you do? Then, basically all you're left with is you have to sort
of live and compromise because truthers have an urgency about these things, as they
should, sure, but you're not allowed to express that urgency. So you
have to be completely silent with all your friends and family for the rest of
your life if you want to be in their lives. It's a nightmare,
it is. That's why I wrote the book. Nobody wants to live outside
of their skin. Everybody wants to be theirselves. And you're right. Once
you take that red pill, there's no going back and pretending it it doesn't
exist. It's just impossible. I actually have a little anxiety about the book,
right. The book is written for truthers, but it's raining red pills,
red pills now, and I'm afraid there aren't going to be any Norman
He's left pretty soon. Oh no, there's still plenty out there, trust
me. Look right now, they're they're going disclosure on the ET thing.
I mean that is for whatever you think it has happened. I mean there's
always four or five levels of truth, right, Yeah, but let's let's
just say on the on the basic layman's terms, they've been denying this.
Officialdom has been denying this for all of our life. And now, for
whatever reason, they are no longer denying. They are allowing the message to
come out that we're in possession of what they call it organics or no biologicals.
Yeah, that's what they're telling us now. Yeah, and it just
so happened, I think to be. They had that hearing on the same
day of the I think Biden Sun's trial. It's nothing to see here,
more sleight of hand. They do that a lot. They try to,
yes, control the news cycle, for sure, Yep. A lot of
news dumps Friday about five o'clock when there's some bad news they want to put
out there because everybody's gone home and they just want to drink beer and they
don't watch the news on Friday nights. A lot of manipulation in the media,
for sure, but that one is more significant. The timing of the
disclosure. Now, we haven't actually had the aliens land on the White House
long right, Independence Day hasn't happened quite yet, but do you buy the
what do you call it, Operation Blue Beam? Gonna be happening one day
of course. So so we're like watching that real time. They're unfolding this
right now. So you had Tucker Carlson did a three Nights special three nights
in a row where he talked about the fact that the government is now admitting
that they have quote off world technology. That's Tucker Carlson, that's mainstream news.
He was still with Fox. And now you've got all these different sightings
that are being released. And then now you have two or three of these
really official sounded dudes, whoever, who whatever, and they're coming up with
the Senate hearings and they're saying, yep, we have we are in possession
of biologicals meaning they have bodies or body parts of aliens because they even said
are they human? And the guy said, no, they're not human.
And then they have, you know, they're in possession of what they call
off world technology. So they're totally announcing to the world that the whole et
thing is real. That's huge. Now. The guy that started NASA came
over from the Nazis von Braun right yep, Warner Broun Brown, Warner Brown
Brown. Okay, So his secretary or one of his people in his satellite
told us that what he told her was the last card to be played was
the alien invasion card. That's gonna be the big play. And it makes
sense because what we see we've seen with the COVID raw out is that they
they did operationalize their their thing that we've been hearing about, you know,
for six seven years, and now they just went for it. And so
all the cutting off the food, blowing up the food manufacturing plants something like
one hundred and twenty now since January last year mysteriously have blown up. Three
of them had planes fly into them, the other ones blew up. No
one's arrested, nothing, You never hear anything about it. Trains are crashing
all over the place with chemical spills, you know, fires and all over
in California, Canada. I mean, it's just so obvious what's really happening.
The carry's running around as this anointed are. I mean, he's so
creepy, it's beyond words, and he's telling us, oh, yeah,
we gotta shut the farms down. We can't have any farms because of the
carbon footprint, you know, And I'm just like, I mean, at
what point does humanity just say, you know, get the pitchforks. You
know, I just feel like these people are going to kill us if we
don't stop. Yeah, that would certainly be one of their last resorts.
But they set it up over decades, and that's you know, the difference
between your and I what we consider long term planning and what the controllers that
they control. They planned for generations ahead. You know, I planned for
October, and I pat myself on the back if I'm planning that far out.
If it's very interesting how they do that. Reagan, of course said
if there would ever be an extraterrestrial event that would bring the world together.
It's not exactly how he said it, but he had mentioned in a nutshell.
If there would be an alien invasion, then the world would come together,
right, kind of like a one world order. So yeah, they
always disclose, that's for sure. And speaking of that, what's interesting.
Did you know John Kerry was an Antarctica the election day November twenty sixteen.
Yep, A bunch of guys went there. Was a big Russian Catholic guy
or the Orthodox Church guy went down there. Like why is the Russian Orthodox
Church leader going to an Arctic right? And then I just heard Admiral Bird's
diary where he supposedly it's his diary from when he went down there. And
they were flying and then all of a sudden their instruments went wiggy, and
then all of a sudden it's warm, right, and then they're flying.
Apparently they went into the inner Earth and they're flying, and then the spaceships
come up with naziing signeys on them. It's like a movie. And then
they controls are free and they're just being you know, like a tractor beam
grabs them and they go in there and they are ushered into this elevator thing
and they go down fifty floors and they meet with the master. It's called
I mean, it's just like a sci fi movie. Um so something you
know, obviously with the Antarctic Treaty, and then you know, go,
you've got these two declassified government programs. One is called fish Bowl and one
is called Operation um oh yeah, Dominic, thank you, thank you,
thank you for being a Truther. Dominic means of the Lord's right. And
then fish Bowl is the one that was underneath that or no, fish Bowl
was first, and then Dominic, so it literally said fish Bowl of the
Lord. Well, this is the program where they were shooting nuclear bombs up
into the atmosphere supposedly to test them. That's right. And this is of
course when those of us that are flat earthers and believe there's a dome like
the Bible says, they were trying they've discovered the dome and they were trying
to blast a hole in it. That's one theory. Well, that's when
they then created the Antarctic Treaty. All the governments of the world got in
together and agreed on something and disallowed anybody from going down there. And of
course Bird supposedly went down there and came back with that story. And then
he was on the TV show where you know, run by to watch people
where they interviewed him and he told him what he saw. So there's definitely
like probably the fallen angels are down there. Whatever you might believe about other
races living down there, there's some wiggy stuff going on technology that the fallen
ones. I have a biblical worldview, so I go from Genesis six,
where we are told that the sons of God made it with the saw that
the women, the son daughters of men were fair, and they took whoever
they chose, which sort of indicates that they're like, come here, you
know, they didn't like court them. They just took the wives and then
they gave birth to giants, and that whole narrative. It's really es central
to the understanding anything. You can't properly under stand the Bible stories unless you
understand Genesis six is a supernatural thing. It's not the sons of seth okay,
it's literally what it says, and you can't understand, you know,
things like where God told the chilren visible to go in and wipe out these
entire cities. Like the liberal college professors that want to prove there's no God
will always start their first day of class out with that story. If God's
good, why did he? What? Is he a genocidal maniac? No,
No, you have to understand that the seed of the serpent had permeated
the entire flock of people, and so there's this whole thing that's going on.
Unless you understand that, you couldn't understand the flood, right. The
whole narrative of the flood was that Noah was perfect in his genealogies. That's
talking about the DNA, and so we have these incredible revelation that these fallen
angels came down here and then they gave birth to these giants. Apparently that's
a big part of what's happening in the Ant article. It's that whole thing
with the giants, and we're going to see them again, and the fallen
angels are kind of like Marionette puppets running everything. It's just so crazy,
it is, And that's interesting. We just had Gary Wayne on i think
a week or two ago, and he wrote the book The Genesis sixth Conspiracy,
How secret societies and the descendants of giants planned to enslave humankind. It's
an eight hundred page book. It's it's really interesting. He really he took
you know what, Genesis six has twenty six verses and he turned it into
an eight hundred page book. It's really incredible how he breaks everything down and
just in line is how you did just now, right right. There's about
eighteen different references to the giants. It's, of course the most popular one
or known one his day, David and Goliath. And then there was a
guy that was I can't remember his name, but he had a fourteen foot
bed, so it's in there, you know. And then of course Steve
Quail and all his research and different people who have looked at the different writings
of other civilizations. It's like the conquistadors came up against him, and a
lot of people believe they're still living in certain parts of the world. Now.
Timothy Albarino went up to Perue and he went to this place. It
was an outpost, was Catholic outpost, way down this road to nowhere,
and he's got there and the next day there was a cow. Well,
this thing came to him at night outside his window, and it was like
speaking to him through his mind, you know, intellectually telepathy sure, and
telling him you shouldn't be here blah blah blah, and then the next day
when they woke up, there was a cow. This is his testimony,
like fifty feet up in a tree alive. So that's like, you know,
I don't know, a couple of years ago he told that story.
That's awesome. We're starting to I got about nine minutes left. I have
two questions I want to ask you, and then we'll close to make sure
everybody remembers your website, which is really cool. Wake up or else dot
com. You're going to join us again next month and we're going to delve
really deep into the Mandela effect and it is real. Can you kind of
give a synopsis of what we can look forward to next month with you?
Yeah, this is a really mind bending event. I'm sure most of your
subscribers are familiar with it. It's the experience where we have vivid memories of
things, but they no longer exist in the way that we remember them.
So the monopoly guy doesn't have a monocle and never has. Or Grand Central
Station is actually Grand Central term and it's always been that way. Or a
mirror mirror on the wall was never mirror mirror on the wall in any version
of any movie. It was always magic mirror, and you could try to
slop it off at first, but once you really look into this, it's
impossible to dismiss it as misremembering. It is a phenomenon, and so a
lot of us saw these things in pop culture, names of movies, movie
lines, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Houston, we have a
problem. All these very common things were changed, some of them changed and
then changed back again. We call those flip flops. Like flintstones. We
woke up one morning and now it was flintstones, no t Well, then
six months later flipped back again. Same thing with tidy cats, Houston,
we have a problem. And Chucky Cheese. Those are four flip flops.
So those are really hard to just dismiss as misremembering, because we have hundreds
of thousands of people that actually observed it virtually real time, and we've made
videos about it. I even have residual evidence from the Chucky Cheese change that
proves I was in that other time stream, because I have information that I
created during that first change when it changed to Chucky cheesus and now it's changed
back again. So it's definitely happening. Well as a Christian, though I
didn't know this in the beginning. What I found out was the changes that
are taking place to our reality include the Bible. This is a very big
problem if you're a Bible believer, because first of all, it's like the
foundation of our faith. Yeah, and the Bible seems to teach that it
can't change because there's passages that say, thy word is forever settled in Heaven.
One you know, a job or tittle won't pass away till you know,
Heaven passes away. And Heaven hasn't passed away yet, So how could
it change. Well, what we what we had to do is say,
okay, well, now I know theologians will hate this, but we were
absolutely convinced that this was happening because we go into the Bible and there's all
these things that aren't the way we remember them. I can give you tons
of examples scriptures that we've vividly remember that I will never been in the Bible,
just like mirror, mirror on the wall, I'm one hundred percent certain,
monopoly guy, I'm I'm one hundred percent certain. Well, I'm one
hundred percent certain that judge not lest he be judged. Was in my King
James Bible, and so as one hundred percent of every Christian I've ever asked.
But it's never existed in any Bible, King James or otherwise. Another
one is, which is really familiar. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh
away has never existed in the King James or any other Bible. It's now
the Lord gave and the lords shall take away. That's what's in the King
James. That came from when I was doing your little online questioning. That
was in there, right, yep. That was one of the questions I
got. I got that wrong, and I'm like, what yep. But
the Hardest Bible Quiz com and take the quiz. There's twenty questions there.
Prove it to yourself. Could you say that again? It broke up when
you said it. Yep. Hardest Bible Quiz dot Com. There you go.
It doesn't give you the results at the end, but you can keep
track yourself and you'll it'll tell you right away once you answer if you got
it right or wrong. And we typically I can go into any pastor's office
and stump him ten out of ten, sometimes twenty out of twenty. Which
is impossible. Okay, So my point is that what we had to do
is we had to say, well, if this has happened, the Bible
must not be teaching that it can't change, because God's not a liar.
That's the biggest problem that people have with it. Well, understand you,
if you're a believer, you've watched the great titans of the faith, the
president of the Bible College and the other president of the other Bible College debate
Calvinism or the King James d'ely or whatever central doctrine. There have been people
who are light years ahead of you debating another guy that's light years ahead of
you, and they couldn't agree. So it's fair to suggest that the entire
body of Christ is misinterpreting the scriptures that they're relying on that says the Bible
can't change, because it's really a dog more than it is a doctrine.
And so you have many passages in the Bible that did seem to foretell this
event with stunning detail, like Daniel seven twenty five speaks about the Antichrist being
able to change times and laws. And you have Revelation thirteen where God says
in his word that he gives permission and power to the Antichrist to wage war
against the saints and prevail against them. And there's other ones. And then
Enoch in chapter eighty, verse two, describes the Mandel effect to the tea.
He says, in that day all things on the earth will alter and
they will be out of their time. You couldn't get any clear. And
that's same if you read further. He says, the fruits of the earth
will be backwards. And if you look at bananas, bananas now grow up.
Most people remember bunches of bananas facing down. And then he says this,
and the moon will be out of its order. Well, now,
when the moon is cresting, very often it's going on the underside. It's
on the bottom, which if you look at NASA, I just looked it
up the other day. The crescent is supposed to be north to south,
right on the west side, and then it's on the east side. Well,
now you're looking up in the moon is at crescent is actually on the
south side. So again Enoch nailed it. So it's true. Okay,
it's really happening, and it includes the Bible. I'm sorry that your doctrine
is being upended. But what I've discovered in my studies of this is this
is happening. However, there are a number of very orthodox Biblical doctrines and
precedence or principles that allow this to be happening without an impugning God's good name
in any way. Okay, God is not a liar. The Word is
immutable, which means it will not change and it will come to pass.
And so essentially we make a distinction. Listen very carefully. There's a difference
between the term word of God and the term scripture. They are not the
same. So our church leaders have been sloppy with their doctrine. And the
proof is you can if they're the same, we should be able to impose
them. And I mean the same thing. So Gospel of John chapter one,
in the beginning was the scripture, and the scripture was with God,
and the scripture was God. Okay, that doesn't resonate, it doesn't,
it doesn't make sense. What it actually says is in the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That's the centerpiece definition of what the word is. Verse fourteen, the word
became flesh and dwelt among us. So what we're told in the Gospel of
John chapter one is the Word is Jesus. The Word is a person embodied
in the man's body. He came down to sacrifice himself for us. That
doesn't change what was given to the original authors, the original autographs doesn't change.
So if the sixth Commandment says thou shall not eat ice cream cones,
I don't care what it says. In the fact that thou shallt not murder
is still in effect. It's immutable, okay. And the fact that it's
going away, Yes, it's it's a nightmare, it's a it's a it
creates biblical paradoxes that you know, you can't even wrap your head around.
And it's a it's a judgment. It's supposed to be terrible, but that
doesn't mean it's not true. Judgment is supposed to be terrible. Yeah,
So that's my little synopsis on my What I focus on is this problem.
It's a big problem. Everybody's talking about it. It's interesting that, well,
I don't know about that. It's funny why you were talking. I
just put in Google when when I want to see how things are manipulated I
go to Google. If I want to look for real information, I go
to index or somewhere else. But if you go to Google and you just
put in monopoly guy monocle, that the third picture says Mandela effect, and
the guy on the right has a monocle, the guy on the left doesn't.
Right, So it is certainly out there. That that's for sure.
That's that's interesting, it is fascinating, and my research indicates that there's millions
of people now claiming this phenomena. I mean, you've got widespread or full
spread articles in major like at least five major magazines, Popular Mechanics, Good
house Keeping, those types of magazines. You've got two movies about it.
Now, there's almost a hundred groups on Facebook, and of course across all
the social media there's channels dedicated to it. So it's whatever side of the
controversy you fall on, it's real, it's not real. What you have
to agree with is that there is a phenomenon. Okay, in other words,
you suddenly have millions of people that are all struck with crazy, all
of a sudden. No, that's never happened in history. So the phenomenon
is that people are claiming that they have vivid memories. Whether you try to
rationalize that in some naturalistic way or not is irrelevant because the phenomenon is happening
and we don't really know what it is that we're experiencing, right, you
know, Paralo universe. It's an implanted thought. It's a shift of our
consciousness. But what we know what it isn't It isn't misremembering, that's what
we know. It's It's very fascinating. Pardon me, and I really look
forward to following that next month. Excuse me. It's wake Up or Else
dot com. They're all the links there that you can get his book.
There's resources, but there's also video, fellowships, et cetera. Before we
I would like you to touch on your website for just a minute so people
when they get there they know where to navigate too when the support mechanisms that
you have in placed there. Yes. Super. Yeah. So right now
we're pretty much most of the contents on YouTube. Of course we're transitioning out
to rumble, but if you want to see the trainings, there's teachings that
I've done, you can go to YouTube. Just look up wake Up or
Else all one word on YouTube. And then Monday nights at eight on free
conference called dot com. You can get the schedule on wake up or Else
dot com. I do a training on becoming a state National. Mondays at
two we have a fellowship for folks with addictions. And then Friday night we
do a hangout on free conference called dot com just for truthers, so you
don't have to be alone. So we've tried to create sort of a it's
a Christian fellowship for the truth or community, and it's we do live streams
and we do teachings. I'm about to release two more two more teachings.
You try to keep them to maybe thirty forty five minutes in depth doctrinal thesis,
doctrinal stuff on how can this be possible? You know, it's just
incredible. It's it's an incredibly disruptive event for Christianity and nobody's talking about it.
It's incredible. I really appreciate you being so generous with your time.
Again. The website is wake Up or Else dot com. The link to
the Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide, a guidebook for persecuted truthers. I will have
all the links in the show description. I'll have Johnson. Are you still
using the Please Wake Up or else at gmail dot com. Yep, that's
a great email. Okay, So that email will be in the show description
as well. Folks, if you'd like to reach out to him or have
him on your podcast, and we have a lot of podcasters who listen to
the pits to the program, and I'd be glad to do that George if
I can. This is all I do. I would love to do podcasts
with you. If you're interested, just definitely reach out. We can schedule
that because I'm trying to get this word out, not so it's a book,
but the whole Bible change thing, because I sensed a real strong destiny
on that to alert people to it. As hard as of a story as
it is, I think it's kind of like everybody, if you go to
the doctor, you tell the doctor, Hey, doc, you know I
can take it, tell me like it is. Yeah right, yeah.
Well, continued success with the book and I'm sure the audience will support it.
And thank you so much for joining us, and we look forward to
having you back in September and we'll deep dive into the butterfly effect. Excellent
Mantel effect. Mentel effects. Sorry, yeah, that's a movie, right,
Thank you, George. This was so great. I do appreciate it
and look forward to coming back in September. As you said, and thank
you guys for listening. It was great, great to meet with all of
you. Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you listeners. God
bless each and every one of you and has always keep your head on a
swivel. And until the next time, my friends, we will see you.