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Welcome to Sword and Scale Rewind with
your hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian bag Hello,

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and welcome back to Sword and Scale
Rewind. This is episode one hundred

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and sixty five, but you know
that already, and you already know that.

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I'm one of the hosts of the
show. My name is Matt Fondelier.

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I'm joined once again by Mike,
my comedian, My comedian, my

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comedian. You're my comedian. Nice
to have you here, my friend.

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You'll notice the handcuffs are a little
tighter today. You are not allowed to

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leave. Episode two oh one off
to a rollicking start here. I love

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it. It's Christmas spirit, that's
right, Christmas spirit is almost upon us.

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Thank you for mentioning this. Yeah, and you needed a comedian for

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your party, for your Christmas party, saying now I'm your comedian. That's

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right. I love it. I've
been hired. I'll accept. I accept

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the money, Matt, I accept
the money. You thought you were here

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for a corporate gig, but you're
here forever. Man. I love it.

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I love it. Uh, we're
still talking about murder, you know.

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Yeah. I though Jesus was born, murder never stopped. It's great

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It's a great point. People think
during the holiday season that murder rates go

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down, but don't they go They
fucking go up. Really, a lot

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of people get depressed around the holidays. Suicides go up, for sure.

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Yeah, yeah, Well, imagine
most of the crimes looting. You know,

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have you been. I've been in
awe about the people just looting the

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stores and stealing stuff. Oh,
flash flash looting. Flash looting is out,

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there's what they're naming it. Well, there was that thing called like

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flash mob, just like everyone would
get together and start dancing. Yeah,

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out of nowhere, those same people
are now doing that, but instead of

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dancing, they're smashing into stores.
That's funny that the dance club from here

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from high schools now stealing stuff.
Yeah exactly. You know why, because

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entertainment doesn't work out for everybody and
you need stuff still, that's right,

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that's why they're stealing stuff. You
think you're sitting there at the store and

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suddenly thriller comes on. You're like, oh, I like the song,

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and then people in the aisle start
doing the little werewolf thing with their hands

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and the next thing you know,
windows are going The band aids of the

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sodas are getting styling. I don't
know how you wear those coats with the

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wires through them still where they steal
those. I'm waiting for somebody to be

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killed at one of those. I
don't know about you. Yeah, it's

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really only a matter of time when
you break the law. Yeah, security

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guards gonna go nuts. Yeah,
he's not gonna be driving his little car

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around having around at college like we
used to talk about in that one murder

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episode. But today we're gonna talk
about something completely different, right, yes,

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exactly, we're gonna talk about I
hope you're sitting down a dead baby.

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Well, we were having fun.
It was all great, that was

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all. It was all funny games
and tell him Matt had a baby killer.

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Yeah, listen, don't blame me, Blame Mike Budey. He definitely

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has a thing for dead baby episodes. There's just there's gonna be another one

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in a few weeks. I hope
you're ready for that one. You know,

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it's just I think what it is. Remember dead baby jokes? Oh?

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Yeah, were they funny? You
tell me what's the difference between a

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dead baby and a bowling ball?
I don't know. You can't take a

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bowling ball out with a pitchfork.
It's not funny. It's not funny.

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It's stupid, though, it's so
stupid. A difference between dead baby and

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a football And I don't know,
I don't know. Tom Brady doesn't have

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a dead baby. That's pretty good. Yeah, the punchline that traumatized me

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as a small child was footballs don't
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Oh my golful, horrific. I
don't know why I remember these end

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what I think? What's uh?
What I think? The one I remember

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is what's the difference between a bowling
ball and dead baby? You can't stack

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bowling ball. I shouldn't be laughing
again, you know what, you should

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laugh, But if it's if it's
so out there, you should laugh like

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that is so out there, like
nobody it's horrific. Dead baby's horrific.

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That's why you laugh at it.
Yeah, I guess that's why, because

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who what kind of person would stack
dead babies? Right? Yeah? These

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couple that were about to talk about
say, speaking of which, no,

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there's no stacking of dead babies in
the show, but there is some starving

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of babies, which I mean,
we'll get into that. But I mean,

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neither of us have kids, but
I acknowledge and if I did,

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making sure that the child was well
fed would probably be absolutely one of the

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things that I would be most attentive
to. And maybe having it around more

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than four hours a day, Yeah, twenty hours asleep. That's what they

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were getting. They were giving it
unbelievable. It was. It was just

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can we go, let's so,
let's start. Let's yeah, let's do

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it. So so he's he's a
YouTube guy. We're back to another YouTube

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guy. Yes, this is uh
seth right, seth uh, the live

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stream genius who live streams. Maybe
not for everybody. This guy's doing live

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streaming trying to tell stories, can't
get through three sentences of the story without

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correcting himself. You know what I'm
talking about? Yet, let me play

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this one clip, fair, This
is like one of my favorite things.

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Five years ago, my wife and
I started a farm produce business. We

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had no idea where it was gonna
go or where it's gonna take off.

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Well, there I go. I
didn't even start. At the beginning of

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the story. Six years ago,
my wife and I we moved here.

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Um, I didn't move here to
start a produce business. Like, at

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this point, you've already you've already
lost me. You know. The best

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part is he's in the middle of
the middle of the freeway doing it.

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Yeah, what's up exactly? Talking
about his fresh produce from the middle of

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a freeway. We have we owned
land in the Medain. Yeah, between

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two they're they're they're soaked in the
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this part of the country. It's
just right. I understand. I didn't

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understand why he needed to do it
live. What I couldn't find that out?

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That was my question just in general, why does anyone do anything live?

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Right? I'm thinking there's like there's
some something cool about the immediacy of

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let's say, like a live performance. If you're on stage, you can

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hear people laughing at your jokes or
applauding. People that are doing these videos

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on the internet they want that immediacy, and I think getting the likes and

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those things happening live while you're doing
it is what's appealing. But his numbers

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were like zeros and fives. But
I mean, have you spent any time

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on YouTube like this is what we
do? People are like, we did

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it. We did an episode not
too long ago where the guy's like,

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no where man, I got eight
views? Right? Yeah? Yeah,

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crazy? Oh my god. See, not everyone is as a skilled comedian

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like you ian to have thousands of
followers and loves and comments on everything you

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put out, so many comments,
so many, so many, like many.

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I was feeling good about myself until
a little while ago Adam Adam Carolla

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called me the Richard Jewel of comedy. I was like, what does that

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mean? Do you think I'm a
special? And it's just like, well,

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not everybody's going to be a cop
then here I'm like, okay,

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all right, all right, Adam, thank you very much. You see,

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I try to get you some exposure, put you on the Man's show,

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and this is what happens, This
gets flicked in the nuts. So

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well, listen, I hope you
guys are enjoying our show here, Sword

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and Scale rewind. Yeah, you
know, we talk to us, let

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us know what you think about our
analysis to that episodes. Do the have

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a number they can send us a
voicemail. What do you mean? Oh

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we should do that. Oh my
god, what a great idea. I'm

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going to talk to Mike about that. Yeah, we should have a voicemail,

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because nothing cooler than listening to the
end of the Sword and Scale after

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everything's over and then you start to
hear all the pole. I was like,

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hey, Mike dode a great job. I love that stuff. It's

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weird though some of them. You've
changed my life. I'm like, what

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you've taught me how to murder?
Mike? Yeah, well listen, he

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kind of changed my life, like, way more paranoid now than I used

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to be. Oh, I I
locked my door the other day in traffic.

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Oh yeah, there was no chance
anyone's getting in, but you didn't

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care. I was. So I'm
on Beverly and Wilsher, that's those two

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cross right, and I'm watching this
guy panhandle, and all of a sudden

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he starts reefing on people's doors.
Now it's time, and I'm just like

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what Yeah, And usually before I
did this, I probably would have just

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got involved. Probably would because he
saw a sudden he started to try and

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open mine. I probably would have
pushed, pushed it and knocked him down,

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right. Yeah. Yeah. Since
we started doing this show, I'm

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just like, everybody's gonna kill me, everybody exactly. So I was just

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like, it's it's stupid. How
it's changed me. Yeah, I'm like

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I had to drive away. Oh
scare I used to approach things in life,

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No, I just run and hide. I used to have huge nuts.

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Yeah, well we got off track
here. Let's talk a little bit

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more about this live streaming guy here
a dick. So I agree with you.

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I don't think it was ever clear
why he was live streaming. You

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could have gone for the best takes, set up a camera, get a

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little bit of editing equipment. Not
a bad voice, No, he has

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you know, had a pretty good
voice. So I'm like, because I

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thought, oh he's professional when I
first heard it. What do you think

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of his organic family farm? Black
Acre, that's what it was originally called.

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I so when I when I when
I was looking into this, and

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I don't know if you can answer
this. Did they name it or buy

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it black Acre and then change it? Or was black Acre not doing well?

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So have they changed it? Great
question. I don't know the answer.

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I am willing to bet that that
scenario could be possible, that it

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was purchased with that name and then
they changed it. Either way, it's

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a terrible name. It's it's like
I think black Acre, I think.

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Okay, there's an acre of land
that's been scorched by a fire. That's

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why it's black, right, that's
why it's burned. Yeah. Yeah,

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you know. Also it could be
an oil field, yeah, or whale

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field. These are not conjuring images
of like luscious fruits for me to enjoy.

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Yeah, it's it should be.
If you're gonna go a black acre,

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it should be it should be doing
like angry orchard side or something.

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Yeah, have a little bit of
an ironic product. No, no,

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we got lettuce. Yeah, have
some fresh lettuce on our black acre.

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Welcome to black Mold. Yeah,
exactly. There's a great comedy show called

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Arrested Development. I love it.
There's a part of that show where they

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had a real estate development that they
called Sudden Valley, which they're like,

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doesn't that conjure images of its suddenly
becoming a valley and all the houses fully

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in? Um. I just thought
that was great, But yes they did.

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They then changed it to Stewards of
Creation Farm, which, okay,

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so he wasn't born again until a
little while after buying the farm, right,

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I don't know the exact timeline,
it seems like for me, it

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seemed like he became as his frustrations
built, that's when he became again.

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Yeah, well, I guess just
in the process of because the whole idea

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of him being like a doomsday prepper
too. I feel like all of that

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is all sort of like, oh, it's end of days, it's end

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of times, we need to learn
how to be self sufficient. And I

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feel like all of that, the
long ramblings online, that seems all kind

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of woven together to me. I
feel like it's the same part of time,

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right, you know, but stupid
they had they had the children.

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They didn't come there with the children. They had the children there, right.

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Well, that can't be true because
the kids, the older kids were

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three and four years old, and
I did not get the impression that they

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were on that farm for very long. Okay, although he does say a

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couple of years, he says five
years. He got confused in his story

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because he said five years ago.
Oh wait, no, six years ago.

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That's when he started this farm produce. So you're right, they did

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have to start the produce farm,
and then later the kids came, right

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because he taught when he talks about
um, well, we were selling about

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nine hundred dollars worth of produce a
week, and then they went down to

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fifty dollars worth of produce. Right. I was like, oh, you

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had bad product. Yeah right.
People bought it first and then they're like,

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oh, Black Acres has really gone
bad. Yeah, it was right

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in the name. We should have
known. Oh no, it's a gross

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No, it's true. I feel
like any sort of new product, you're

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definitely going to get that first round
of everybody wanting to try it, and

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then good luck selling it again unless
it's actually good. It's got to be

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it's got to be top of the
line for them to do it again.

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Yeah. Yeah. It just made
me think. One of my first jobs

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that I ever had. I was
in high school and your parents were child

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they were workers, putting me out
of child labor. And there was a

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like a golf course, country club
about half an hour from where I lived,

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like in the hills of Malibu,
and I had a friend of a

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friend of a friend like three or
four degrees remover. This guy had a

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business of selling hole in one contest
packages. What exactly to let me explain

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my job for like summers in between
years of high school was I would sit

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on the green of the tenth hole
of a golf course, and it was

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a waterhole part three, and rich
country club people would come around the corner

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on their golf carts and I would
go, excuse me, sir, looking

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great out there. Let me offer
you something here before you tee off.

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If you give me ten dollars,
I'm going to give you all these magazines,

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sleeve, golf balls, subscriptions,
and if you land on the green,

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you're going to get one million dollars. Now, I would do that

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spiel, like a variation of that
spiel, to every single golfer who would

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come by, and every single one
the first week would come by and give

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me ten dollars, and then inevitably
there's money on the line, and nobody

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came anywhere close to the green.
Eventually, you though, year after year,

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a month after month, if the
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country club, they would come back
to that same hole. And so by

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the middle of summer I couldn't sell
anything else because everybody already tried it once

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and unless it was like the superior
experience, no one's gonna do it a

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second time. Right. They're like
Alex p. Keaton's out there trying to

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sell some shit again, Yeah,
exactly. That's one of the worst jobs

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I ever had. By the way, I would never hire a boy to

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sell something on a golf course.
Yeah, it's just got to be a

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young nineteen eighteen twenty year old girl
who was a little goofy and her boob

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pops out every swamp. Yeah,
you do not want a slightly portly fifteen

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year old, you know, learning
how to do the tiger Woods golf ball

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bounce on the three iron, you
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when I did all summer long,
Whose Special Suns on the whole nights exactly.

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God, oh that was much.
That's a great, great first job.

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How'd you get it? Though?
Again, it was like a friend

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of a friend like there like somebody
and what's that? No, no,

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now, no, it was like
me And basically they told my friend like,

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hey, find three of your jackass
friends to like do this with.

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Ah, so as your buddies hanging
out. No, but it was a

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solitary It was like we had to
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be there from sun up, like
when the first golfers would come at like

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six in the morning, and you'd
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I would just be there for hours
and hours, sun burnt mat. That

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was That was a rough time.
But Seth and his stewards of creation farm

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failing after the first go round,
that's what it reminded me of second round,

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you know, yeah, second summer. Yeah. But here here's the

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deal. He could go back.
You could go back to your parents.

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That's true. He lived. He
lived on that golf course. Yeah,

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his golf course. I also thought
it was really funny that wall. Maybe

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not funny, it's not the right
word. But while while Seth is doing

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this very natural living off of the
land, his wife is working at McDonald's,

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which is probably the most unnatural thing
on earth. They're so far from

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I'm gonna go water the plants from
the sun. You go, you go

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make your chemical burgers exactly. I
saw a video once of a dude's smoking

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a French fry from McDonald's like a
cigarette. That shit scart me for a

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wife, dude, Like, who
can smoke a French fry? It's real.

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I'm surprised there as in cars that
run on French fries from McDonald's.

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They probably could. No, there's
like museum exhibits that show that this food

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just doesn't age. Yeah, that
can't possibly be good for you. But

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really, the question that I think
we all know the answer to is how

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the hell is seth keeping track of
his little kids and doing all this farm

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work while his wife is flipping burgers? And how much farmworks are you doing?

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Because he's busy doing making his videos. He's making a lot of videos.

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They are They're focusing on tomatoes,
berries, and raw honey from bees.

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I feel like this is starting to
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You know, bees everywhere like it. This is not a good situation.

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I got wasps spend set of bees? Yeah? Exactly? Um, how

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do you how do you know that? Here's a big question. How do

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you fuck up honey? Yeah?
You don't even have to do anything.

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It's just a collect Yeah, I
don't get it. Man, put on

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a hockey mask and go in.
Yeah. Yeah, here's what I'm wondering

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too. Though. He's probably overcharging
because it's like a small family farm,

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and maybe the honey tastes fine,
but who wants to drop like fifteen dollars

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on a jar of honey? You
can get honey for a dollar? True?

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True, I. I just there's
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he's bought a farm that obviously worked
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Yeah. I wonder how he got
the money to buy the farm.

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I never even thought above that.
Yeah, another great question because it didn't

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sound like they owed anybody money.
They were busy living on the farm and

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and just shank itting in the woods
would by not being able to sell anything,

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but they weren't saying that the bank
was ready to foreclose or right,

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that's true. A lot of these
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are sort of because of this like
financial pressure, which you're right, doesn't

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seem like that's really part of this
story. Yeah, they don't. They

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don't seem to be freaking for money, which or at least not at first.

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I think that's when they start to
panic a little bit. But obviously not

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doing too much. Here there he's
she's not, is there any I didn't

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check this out, and I should
probably have checked it out. Was there

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videos with her and him with them
like as like selling their their they're they're

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they're doing the YouTube staff because that
would have been way more sellable than Yeah.

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I don't know. I feel like
he's listen. I don't know if

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selling his product was really the first
thing on his mind when he was doing

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these live streams. I feel like, a, yeah, exactly, or

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just like, let me just tell
you why my scripture is better than your

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scripture. It's weird, right,
you know it's weird when my Jesus is

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better than you're Jesus. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean this story takes place

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in like twenty eighteen, which is
still like, why are we still arguing

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about this Religion's what's up? Well, I don't get it. When things

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don't go right, it's an easy
thing to go to and it's an easy

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easy thing to use as to blame
people. Well, they don't believe,

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and that's why this is happening.
Yeah, you're being I'm being punished because

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of you. I'm I'm God's God's
son. You're I'm the one that's punishing

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for your being punished for your sins. Yeah. I think I've just reached

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personally just a level of don't give
a fuck, like so deeply about when

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it comes to the religious issues.
Yeah, I kind of walk away.

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I really. Yeah, I'm not
invested in it at all, right,

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but you're right. I mean,
it's just you're right. When it defines

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every part of your like living day, and somebody is questioning it, I

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guess that's the reaction. And they
also they pick certain parts to you know

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that that suit them, right,
Yeah, I mean I just feel like

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that's everybody. I just stopped arguing
with people because I'm like, you're just

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They're like, all right, cool, Yeah, you're picking your things.

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Good for you, man, you
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It sounds like you've been on TikTok
for a while. Yeah. Oh man,

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Well, love you play another clip
here if we can. I love

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the cluing along here. I rewound
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them just was making me giggle and
feel sad because yeah, just I'm like,

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I think a lot of my friends
wish they could do this as a

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comedy sketch. Yeah, well,
right, by the way, that reminds

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me. I talked to a fan
of the other podcast I'm on the Water

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Cooler. It's available on iTunes,
and I was talking to a couple fans

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of that show, and one of
them told me that he listens to Sword

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and Scale rewind, but he has
never heard an episode of Sword and Scale.

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He just listens to our show.
I was like, wow, interesting,

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So you must really need some context
for the things that we're talking about.

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He's like, no, you guys
do fine, like really cool.

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Well, well that means we're explaining
the murder very well. Yes, I

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want to be honest with you.
I love listening to him. I love

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the way they're put together. Um, there's nothing else like it. The

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quality is amazing, and it's it's
um, it's it's equal to anything that's

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put out by million of dollar companies. Yoh yeah, and it's just but

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there's no boundaries with Mike, which
which is great. It reminds me of

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something I was going to say earlier. I think the reason why there are

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so many dead baby episodes of sort
of Scale is because this is the only

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show that's willing to go that farm
when it comes to covering stories. A

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good point, like you'll hear like
the uh, I can't remember that there's

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some recent story the kids that were
like all locked in their basement for thirty

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years t Lucos or whatever, yeah, yeah, whatever. They weren't called

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the telucos. But I'm gonna call
a bit like that. You know,

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those stories get coverage, you don't
really hear on a national level about the

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like weirdo farmer dude who started his
kid to death right sort of scale.

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Is gonna give you like way too
much detail about that's that's the problem.

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Well, they're gonna do the pretty, the pretty episodes, right yeah,

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and they're they're not gonna push the
boundaries too much. And that's what's killing

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Network TV is that there's shows like
this, and there there's shows on I

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think there are comedy shows on Netflix
and Amazon and stuff that push the boundaries

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that don't keep it to twenty two
minutes, that can spill over to twenty

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six minutes. Meanwhile, Network TV
is still in nineteen fifty and very wanting

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to show a couple in bed together, you know. Yeah, so that's

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why this shows the best man.
That's why take that Keith Morrison right in

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the nuts, your son of a
breach. Oh yeah, he's the other

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Canadian that does murder. Oh nice, let's talk about let's play another clif

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here. I want to play it. Earlier, we mentioned it, we

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talked, we alluded to it,
but let's hear Seth talk about able business.

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We had a lot of loyal customers, we had a lot of supporters,

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and last year we were really pushing
it, really getting big, really

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taking the big steps, and things
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To be quite frank with you,
while sales started very well through the

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month of June, by July,
things dropped off and kept dropping off,

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quite frankly, right off of a
cliff. The fact that things went flying

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off of a cliff within arguably two
weeks of the business starting is a pretty

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good indicator. Like, I don't
even know he should be so embed gave

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him, I gave him a year. And after listening to this cliff again,

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I'm really, oh, yeah,
was it that quick? Yeah,

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we were doing great in June,
and then on July, first three days

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after it changed the summer, that's
when things went off a cliff. Like

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you should be too embarrassed to say
that. And in four weeks, is

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anybody considered a loyal customer? Yeah, that's great too. We had so

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many loyal customers. They bought once. How loyal is that they put their

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name, they put their email down
on the mailing list and assured me that

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they would be back again. Suck
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this guy is the ringleader, he's
the he's in charge of his own little

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kingdom. But when the people finally
start to see what this place really looked

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like, it seems like a pretty
terrifying place. Unkempt yard, the fence

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that has like hent believe, like
all these like horrifying quotes on the wall,

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like this does not seem like a
fun place to live. So I

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listened to this episode while we were
driving to Vegas and traffic was bad,

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so ways took us off off the
road. And as we're we're listening to

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this, I'm looking out the side
and you know where there's they used to

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be a water slide and it's been
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the fifties, I most certainly do, okay, So if you go off

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the road there, it's all those
places like this with Jesus is coming Sin

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all the written on painted on the
fence. So I'm going by and I

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said to my wife, this is
what we're listening to, right, that's

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a wild Yeah, it was crazy. I mean you, I guess California

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is just such a diverse state.
You think that it's just like this big

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liberal la Hi. But you don't
have to go far at all to see

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the you know, twenty twenty four
and yeah, yeah, it's a pretty

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strange state, that is for sure. I want to transition now into the

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N one one call. That's for
after the show. Yaan, Okay,

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this is one of the most unbelievable
nine one one calls. And I know

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we say that a lot on this
show, but this is unbelievable. For

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every time we say this isn't this
has got to be the worst. Somehow

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a new episode comes out and we're
like, holy shit. Yeah. Well,

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oftentimes the flodder comes from how horrible
the NI one one operator is this?

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That the nine one operator are fine, they're kind of neither here nor

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there. But Seth describing to the
police this scene of this dead baby,

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his dead baby. It's almost as
though nine eleven called him and was annoying

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him. That's right, sir,
Sara, dead baby on your property?

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Maybe maybe who wants to know what
would how would you tell if it was

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a dead baby? Well? I
have a bunch of clips of the nine

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one one call because honestly, like
as I was listening to the episode,

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I was like, oh that's oh
my god, Mark that oh Mark Market.

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Every everything that comes out of this
guy's mouth is just more horrible than

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the last. It's cool. I
want to open up there. If if

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his vege fruit and veg was as
good as it's comments in the nine to

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eleven, they'd be still selling today. Yeah, that maybe it would have

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been a fat Maybe I have to
ask you sit nine to eleven multiple times

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now instead of nine one one?
Is that a Canadian thing? Do you

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guys not say nine one one?
Um? I don't mean to stop the

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flow of conversation. I just noticed
it, you know what. It was

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funny because I was saying it,
and now it's like, it's mine sounds

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different than York eleven is like you
know that horrible day in New York when

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the towers came down. I'm kinda
one one is those three digits on the

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phone. It isn't it is,
but it isn't say I'm Canadians. So

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we put our month afterwards eleven nine
eleven nine right in Canada. Yeah,

407
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so that's why you say nine to
eleven? Yeah, so freely? Yeah,

408
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.880
like nothing bad, all right,
but listeners, you want to know

409
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:08.079
you're welcome. Somebody's out there,
son of a bit much just say September

410
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.559
eleventh. Um, I want to
play this clip. This one's long.

411
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:17.680
It's the like basically the opening ninety
seconds, but so much. This is

412
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.960
worth it, no matter even if
you listen to that episode or you haven't,

413
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.799
like your friend from the Watercooler podcast. Yeah, these these nine to

414
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.079
eleven calls are worth it. It's
it's just I mean, you'll hear it

415
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.599
right now. Let's play again.
We'll be back in like ninety seconds,

416
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.880
nine on one. I guess I
don't know if this is the right place

417
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.640
to report this to. Um it
is I'm at home, and UM,

418
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.000
I don't know if this is the
right place to call. Where else are

419
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:52.799
you calling? Yeah? Like is
this? Uh? This wouldn't be war

420
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.599
worse, would it? Yeah?
Can you please transfer me to the clothing

421
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.039
department? He must have thought when
he got that call, though, a

422
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.160
guyment, Oh fuck, he's gonna
order a pizza. Yeah, that up

423
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.799
breaker? All right, here we
go. How old is the child?

424
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.799
Like ten months? And why do
you believe a child of the sea?

425
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.680
I have no idea. We just
walk up and can we stop there.

426
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.000
I hated both of them at that
point. Why do you believe the child

427
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.920
is just deceased because it's dead?
It's like, what a weird question.

428
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.359
I'm pretty sure the baby's dead.
Well, well, why do you think

429
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.519
it's dead? Well, because he's
been walking around saying weird things backwards?

430
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:41.279
You know that. Later we obviously
I think maybe they're just like you ask

431
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.480
that question because it's like, is
their blood you know it is there?

432
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.640
Well watch it? How do you
think the baby died? That would have

433
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.880
definitely been a better question, right
than what makes you think the baby's car

434
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.960
accident? He was driving? Yeah, babies can't reach the pedals. He

435
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.039
went right through the wall, and
we thought dead baby joke Ford funny.

436
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.559
Come on, come on baby,
Yeah, listen us, big guys.

437
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.839
You're at a and Drew. Are
you home alone? No, I'm here

438
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.920
with my wife and my family.
Did the child have any medical history?

439
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:22.240
No? Noon, I'm gonna start
and Andy until good doctor Michael did best

440
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.839
and Chelson I can't county? Okay, what coming? Get what happens?

441
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.200
Sir? Hold on? Just second
colors with this ten month old child that

442
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:37.680
he believe is deceased? Me Okay, can we souther there he's with him

443
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.640
baby that he thinks is dead.
No way, this baby's dead. That's

444
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.799
kind of he thinks his baby's dad. But I know from sitting here this

445
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.519
baby isn't dead. So you tell
me that. Do you think these guys

446
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.720
just aren't even believing me? Well
kind of it, like he thinks his

447
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.319
baby's dad. Well, come on, this guy doesn't have a baby.

448
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.400
It's a cabbage patch though. You
know, Yeah, I don't. I

449
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.200
don't think I ever read that into
it. There's a little bit of there's

450
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.400
a little bit of sarcasm and as
to see that, yeah, he hasn't

451
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.200
dead because he calls him, Hey
bout its mutes just gotta get one by

452
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.480
them. Yeah, it's like,
hey bout it's met. This guy's on

453
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:15.319
the phone. Thanks. I completely
agree with you. I think that sort

454
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.279
of stuff that we get to hear
on sort in the scale. I don't

455
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.160
think the nine one one caller heard
that, you know, like they basically

456
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.519
are well you're listening to the tape
from the nine one one agency, right,

457
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.599
So there is totally like that callers
on mute, and that's why like,

458
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.720
hey, jail, look, we
got this guy online too. I

459
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.000
think he's blah blah blah, because
you imagine being on the side and then

460
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.920
hearing the transfer, like, yeah, that would really out. It's almost

461
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.000
made. It's not like it called
him, Hey bad, got a dead

462
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.960
bodio here, But hey I get
somebarrassed afterwards. Yeah, exactly. It's

463
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.079
got two more calls here in my
ships over some somebody would cost. I

464
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:55.000
can't take it in the left ear
anymore combat telling who happened? Um,

465
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.759
I mean it's not going away.
Put her down yesterday and on the roads

466
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.200
are up this morning, and he
said, all right, coming exactly,

467
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:13.680
why do you think I don't have
um one second? Sure? So why

468
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:17.920
do you think it is? I
don't know. They're using the wrong words,

469
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.279
right, Yeah, they're using the
word Why do you think this baby's

470
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.599
dead? It's not. How do
you think this baby died? It should

471
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:28.759
have been right, Yeah, I
think you're right, because it's it is

472
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.119
hard. I mean, you should
be able to answer the question either way.

473
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.160
It's really not that hard to answer. Well, why do you think

474
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.440
the baby's dead? Baby's not breathing? Okay, okay, because the baby's

475
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:44.880
blue, baby's blue. Because the
baby's blue is jamped that bad. You

476
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.880
see that Ottle Blockbuster commercial with the
dancing baby. The baby's not doing that.

477
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.440
That's how baby. It's just lying
there. Yeah, and baby answer

478
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.519
all right, there's like eight seconds
left on this s No, it's good.

479
00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:02.519
Sure, Why do I think?
See that? Yeah? And the

480
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.440
heart beat annoyed. Yeah. He
really just sounds completely inconvenience. Like you

481
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.720
said, it sounds like they called
him, Yeah, can you come get

482
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.680
this baby so I can get back
to my apples. I've got my wasp

483
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.039
honey that I'm trying to take care
of, right. Well. The part

484
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:27.160
that then is even more dumbfounding is
when he explains that he hasn't been near

485
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:32.119
the baby in over an hour and
that he called his lawyer first. And

486
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.359
then there's it was his lawyer who
advised him that he should probably call the

487
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.279
police. There's two things about that. There's so much about that. But

488
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.319
if I don't know, if I
don't I've never been around somebody that passed

489
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:53.359
away like that. But I don't
know how in control I would be with

490
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:58.960
my emotions. Like you got to
get here, you would still be thinking

491
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.160
that may be there's a chance,
maybe there's a chance. Yeah, Like

492
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.079
let's not let's not have this conversation. We have this conversation after somebody gets

493
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.840
here, checks and make sure that
see if we can save this baby.

494
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.519
Yeah, or like where's the hysteria? Yeah, there's nothing there. And

495
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.400
it's like, oh God, this
baby's getting to me like you wouldn't believe.

496
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.079
Yeah, he's dead and I'm just
hanging there. You know that babies

497
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.679
don't even make Honey, this baby
we're supposed to be the picture. I'm

498
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:28.000
a new honey jar and it's not
gonna say, honey, I want to

499
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.679
play the audio of him talking about
calling his lawyer because I know you love

500
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.639
this so much. I didn't gonna
go how long ago did you find this

501
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:40.239
child? It's about an hour and
a half. I was waiting. I

502
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:45.199
called my lawyer first thing to act. You know, what's the next thing

503
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.400
I can do? And they said, wait till they're here to call you

504
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.119
know, the police and get that
going. Thoughts on the calling of the

505
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.639
lawyer, Yeah, it's the first
thing you do anytime, right, anytime

506
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:04.639
anything goes wrong anything. I am
confused by these people that have a lawyer.

507
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:10.519
Yeah, it's not normal to have
a lawyer that you call when somebody

508
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:16.239
dies, that's your first call exactly. So anytime I hear something I got,

509
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:21.119
I like on these crime shows,
I gotta call my lawyer. Why

510
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.840
do you have a lawyer? Yeah, I know I have a lawyer,

511
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.000
but I would never call my lawyer's
my entertainment lawyer. I own five percent

512
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.960
sometimes, Yeah you don't want all
that. Yeah, I don't call him.

513
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.159
He's not gonna do anything, and
he's gonna ask for five percent.

514
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.880
So let's let that. So I
don't understand when they say I called my

515
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.719
lawyer. Yeah, see, my
dad's a lawyer. So I like to

516
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:42.360
use it as a threat to people, be like, listen, I'm gonna

517
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.719
call my lawyer if you're not careful. But what it really means, I'm

518
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:46.920
gonna call my dad. Just say
hi, he's your dad. Really lawyer.

519
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.119
Yeah that's but not like a criminal
defense lawyer or kind of lawyers.

520
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.840
He does medical Yeah, he does
an accident a law like medical malpractice stuff.

521
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.480
Oh really, Yeah that's a badge. You would have been prefect for

522
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:00.119
this one. Oh yeah, I
have the hospital, have been there,

523
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.320
the baby would have been fed.
Therefore it's a hospital. Fuck. Let's

524
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.679
get some more apple trees. Up
on this orchard. Yeah. The nine

525
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:13.159
one one operators are doing this weird
thing during this entire call where they keep

526
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.639
saying like okay to things that are
not okay. Yeah, do you know

527
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:22.280
what I'm saying? Like he'll he'll
be talking about this baby's dead as a

528
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.639
doornail, but just another day around
here, and they go, okay,

529
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:30.599
okay, what else is going on? I'm I would be a horrible nine

530
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.840
one one operator because I would be
flipping the fuck out. See, you

531
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:40.880
would think they would be a little
bit of um um desperation in nine eleven

532
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.480
operator, no matter what, you're
like, all right, let's get some

533
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:46.880
out, let's get some people out
there, Let's get these people out there.

534
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.760
Like, but there's none of that
at all. I also just listening

535
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:54.119
now. I didn't even really notice
it research in the episode, but as

536
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.639
we're playing these clips back, I
feel like the operators really young. I

537
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:00.639
can kind of hear in his voice
it sounds like maybe he's not the most

538
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.800
experienced. You didn't think that.
We'll only play one more clip of him.

539
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.079
Let me see if it's this when
he says as dead as a doornail.

540
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.320
I didn't grab that clip. I
just thought it was a weird thing

541
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.599
to say. Really weird expression is
dead as a doornaim, we're gonna use

542
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.760
it as a door stuff. Oh
no, well's the difference. I don't

543
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:28.960
know, there's none. There's both
savior walls. Yeah, let me hear

544
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:30.960
this clip. I'm telling myself.
Let's hear this clip. Let's listen to

545
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.599
see if the if the nine one
one voice is like maybe a little bit

546
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.480
young. Everybody listened together. Listen, when was the last time do you

547
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:44.679
had contact with a child? Guy? Sounds like no house last night?

548
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:53.679
Umout yesterday afternoon about three pm to
bed. I'm not a doctor, you

549
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:59.519
know that was that. I'm not
a social worker, but I'm thinking that

550
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.400
might be a little too early for
a baby to go to bed. Three

551
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.800
in the afternoon. Oh look at
that, son's almost going down. Time

552
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.599
to get to bed, time to
get to bed. And then even nocturnal

553
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.440
animals don't go to bed at that
time. I completely agree him, also

554
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:22.920
saying that it was not unnatural for
the baby to sleep sixteen to eighteen hours

555
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.719
a day. That's what people say
about babies all the time. They're like,

556
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.039
you know what, I have a
hard time waking up my baby.

557
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:32.800
That's everybody's never that's the reason why
everybody's always tired, because the baby sleeps

558
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.239
so much. I honestly thought,
like, does he think he's raising cats?

559
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.960
Like cats sleep twenty hours a day. You know, that's raising our

560
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.679
baby to be a cat. Yeah, it's it's in a litter box right

561
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.119
now. I don't know. I
just all. I mean, we've said

562
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.360
it a couple times already, but
I really just feel like this call sounds

563
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.800
like he's calling into like a customer
service line because he has to reset the

564
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.639
clock on the oven, complaining about
his baby. Yeah, I'd like to

565
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.199
complain about my baby. I put
it down yesterday at three o'clock and now

566
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.199
it won't wake up. Um,
so anytimes I get a new baby,

567
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.320
yeah, well, of course.
The sad truth, though, is that

568
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:14.360
the baby was starved to death,
left alone for at least nineteen hours,

569
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:20.480
death by malnutrition. When paramedics arrived, the house was infested with flies.

570
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:25.159
The ten month old only weighed eight
pounds, so like that, I honestly

571
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.519
thought it was like a typo.
When I heard that, I was like

572
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:34.320
that camp be just skin, just
skin and bones, so so gross.

573
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:39.000
When Mike talked about how long a
person takes a person to starve to death.

574
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.039
You're just like it was just the
pain, that like it didn't have

575
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.760
enough energy to cry. Yeah,
that that is just that's what stays with

576
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.679
me, I think more than anything. It's just it's funny. My wife

577
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.239
works in the medical field, and
she said something before Mike said it.

578
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.679
She goes, that baby didn't even
have the energy to cry. She's like,

579
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.679
that baby was just so weak.
It's just in pain. And yeah,

580
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.840
just a horrible, horrible person,
both of them. Yeah, let's

581
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:13.800
talk about the mom too, because
she well, I didn't hear much other

582
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.599
than she was she had a good
shift at McDonald's. She definitely loved her

583
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.599
job at McDonald's. What's relevant to
this episode was that she said that she

584
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.400
breastfed the baby every day, which
was it was clear that the baby had

585
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.159
not been breastfed. She said she
she pumped all her milk at one time,

586
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.679
just like babies eat once a day. And that's it. Yeah,

587
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:38.960
and yeah, I'm sorry, I
just have a no I'm reading right here

588
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:45.320
about this idea that it takes three
weeks to die of starvation, but obviously

589
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:49.159
less than that for the baby.
Yeah, that was just that was so

590
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.159
messed up. I was wondering why
they didn't talk a little bit more about

591
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:58.039
the other children, because they must
have been starving too. Yeah, you

592
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.800
know, I would like to have
known were they close to death or were

593
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.760
they or were they just treating this
one bad? Right? You know?

594
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.039
Yeah? I mean, I'll get
into it a little bit when I talk

595
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:14.559
about some of the updates that I
came across, But it did seem like

596
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.719
it was just the whole place was
just being run like a hell house.

597
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.719
You know, there just wasn't really
much of a chance. I think even

598
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.639
if the kids were being fed properly, there's plenty of other psychological scars that

599
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.880
were Do you think you inflected on
them? Do you think when do you

600
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.960
think people should get more? There
should be extra you know how Um,

601
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:37.880
if it's a hate crime, you
get more time. If it's against a

602
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.599
child, should there be more time? Should become ye, should it become

603
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:44.119
federal? I mean, I guess
so, I think. I mean,

604
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:50.719
it's just like when it's against somebody
who just like has no chance of any

605
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.800
rebuttal or anything like that, like
a little baby, like a little kid,

606
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.440
that's just it's not that it's totally
cool if it's somebody older, but

607
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.000
I don't know something about like how
baby can't fight back in any way and

608
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.320
by that, you know, and
then again just having being a religious person

609
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:14.639
like Seth claims to be family and
children like these things are pretty important to

610
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:20.920
all of that. His his his
excuse for the baby. They had to

611
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.679
wait to see the doctor, and
then the doctor said there was something wrong

612
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.920
with the baby, so they had
to go, you know, uh,

613
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.599
send something that had child services,
that had yeah, child CPS, child

614
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.360
protective exactly. So that was why
they didn't trust doctors, was because last

615
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.719
time they went to a doctor,
the doctor reported them, right, And

616
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:44.920
I'm your kind of go, okay, it's child Protective Services at fault because

617
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.400
the doctor obviously noticed something and there
was obviously something there. So how did

618
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.639
they how were they able to continue
on? Yeah? How how was the

619
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.519
story not resolved in that moment?
Yeah, it's a great It's it's again

620
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.760
when we when there are stories like
this on sort and skill, you can

621
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.599
really stretch the blame can go pretty
far back. Um, but in this

622
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.159
case, it was pretty pretty direct. I totally understand what you're saying.

623
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:15.079
I was also curious was the mom
abused. Well, I could tell you

624
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.960
a little bit about that, tell
a case update that I received, But

625
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.159
let me tease that for one more
seconds. It because before we get into

626
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:28.360
the updates, let's wrap it up
a little bit with Seth before we get

627
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.480
into his wife, because we get
to hear a little bit of Seth complaining

628
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.760
when he's behind bars. I want
to play that real quick, because let's

629
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.800
hear if he's really being unfairly treated. Do you feel like they're being justly

630
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:47.519
treated? Am I being justly treated
on the inside? Yes, I am

631
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:53.679
very thankful for the um conditions that
could be much worse. I believe I'm

632
00:43:53.719 --> 00:44:00.679
being unfairly charged and being made an
example of for my very strong faith and

633
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:08.400
the trying times that are ahead,
and being made an example of. He's

634
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.079
being made an example of. I
would like to thank them for feeding me

635
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.519
and giving me a place, a
clean place to sleep. Yeah, he's

636
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.639
so, he is being treated better
in jail than he was his little daughter.

637
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.039
That's a very good point. You're
right, But he's saying that nothing

638
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:29.599
he did was criminal and that you
know, it's his religious right too.

639
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.239
Well, that's some of these people
and it's we don't like to argue about

640
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.480
it and stuff would like that.
But people think they're religious because they read

641
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:44.360
the book, you know, and
then everything they do is not is not

642
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:50.320
the way that the Christianity is apparently
love each other and take care of each

643
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:57.000
other and and and learn like there's
if there was no if there was no

644
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.440
you know, growing, we'd still
be walking looking around in sandals and not

645
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.840
taking planes places. You know,
So you got it. Yeah, it

646
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.800
is medical? Is it is it
scary? Yes, it's scary. There's

647
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.440
certain things that are scary about it. But when people talk like this,

648
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.760
this is mental health. This guy
is mental There's so so many people that

649
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.960
talk like this, and we can't. Let's let them talk like this.

650
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.239
They're they're they're they're talking like this
is a cry for help, and they're

651
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:32.199
they're insane there and and it's it's
it's it's it's ridiculous that because they're able

652
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.000
to put the religion on it,
they're able to get away with it.

653
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.719
Yeah, because there's so many people
that do things like he is. But

654
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.480
just that just give enough to that
child that it survives and you know,

655
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.639
it is just treated enough that it
lives with them and stuff like that,

656
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.760
like that, like that's case that
we're talking about, not in the case,

657
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.039
but the story that we're talking about, what the family of fifteen kids

658
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:59.360
or whatever it was, and and
they're weird. They just had enough that

659
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.079
these kids would would would live.
Yeah, and one got old enough that

660
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:08.840
it escaped and was able to say
help us. It's a constant struggle I

661
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.199
think in the United States. So
angry I was. No, that was

662
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.400
good though. I like the passion, but that this sort of I think

663
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.679
part of the episode description of this
sort in scale, which they don't really

664
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.440
touch on too much in the content
of the episode, but the idea that

665
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:27.159
in America, this freedom of religion
is it's a very complicated issue. And

666
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:32.119
just like you're saying, there are
people who do terrible things that then use

667
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:37.800
this freedom of religion as like an
explainer and that's a really shitty thing to

668
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.159
do. But then I think it's
also a really shitty thing to restrict what

669
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:45.719
somebody wants to do for their religion. No, I don't, I don't.

670
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.159
I'm if you want to do that, you know, here here's the

671
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:55.320
deal I feel, you know,
if if you can't explain Santa Claus.

672
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.679
You can't explain Jesus, all right, So they're both very good stories.

673
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.480
So so, but that's how I
feel like. And if you want whatever

674
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.719
gets you through the night, that's
what I am. Very much like that.

675
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.679
But you know, when it comes
if what you're doing, what you're

676
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.639
believing, hurts people, yeah,
that's where you gotta draw that line.

677
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.840
Yeah, And it's not a freedom, Like there's freedom of speech, but

678
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.880
there's not freedom of consequences, so
and and and and with this guy,

679
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:30.039
I also feel like if you listen
to him talk, it's just arrogance and

680
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.320
ignorance. Yeah, is very arrogant. Arrogant and his ignorance is just then

681
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.800
put them together and it's just never
a good thing. Aren't religious people supposed

682
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.519
to be humble? Are just supposed
to be humbled by the Lord or whatever?

683
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.079
Yeah, just losto listeners there.
I'm pretty sure religious people aren't listening

684
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:50.559
to this. Yeah, you can
tell us if you are. But I'm

685
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.800
sure. I'm sure we're getting's a
big Mormon convention, sure, but I'm

686
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.920
not sure. I don't want to
be disrespecting a person who does believe,

687
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:04.159
you've very strongly in their faith.
But if part of that strength in their

688
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.800
faith means you have to strangle a
baby before you get bed every night,

689
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.239
then maybe we'll have something to talk
about here. Your faith is your faith.

690
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.760
Yeah, it is not what you
it's not what your child signed up

691
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:21.639
for. Your child signed up to
live and be, you know, be

692
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:28.079
treated humanely right, and that's it. And the religion part is different.

693
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:30.400
And that was one of the notes
from this story is that this idea that

694
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:37.400
these religious exemptions kind of hurt children
more than it helps. Yeah, I

695
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.480
would say yeah, because you're right
too. A lot of times the kids

696
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.559
are just they don't know any better. They shouldn't have to know any better.

697
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.639
But if your parents are fucking wackadoos, and I'm gonna say that this

698
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.079
is probably get us in trouble.
But when you when you look at some

699
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.920
of these splinter group groups of religion
and some religion, it's just to get

700
00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:00.519
pussy. Please elaborate. It's like
when you when you when when the guy

701
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.760
the guy that uh in Wayco,
Texas, that was all him just he

702
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:12.320
figured out a way to get laid
by saying everything's gonna be okay, Everything's

703
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.599
gonna be okay. So imiting everything's
gonna be okay, you know what I

704
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.400
mean. And he used the word
of the Lord and people, there's followers

705
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.559
out there. I think the people
that listen to this show have a very

706
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:28.719
strong personality, but there's people out
there that don't have strong personalities, and

707
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.000
they follow. And we all have
certain work fears, and it's all about

708
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:36.599
the same thing. We're all gonna
die at some point, and people are

709
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:38.599
scared of that. And when when
there's a thing that's put on, it's

710
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:42.159
gonna be okay, You're not gonna
die, You're just gonna go to heaven,

711
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.480
you know what I mean. People, Oh, I feel good again,

712
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.719
you know, because it's it's it's
it's a it's a mind game,

713
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.480
and it's and it's it uses people. And and I'm not saying every religion

714
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.840
and I'm not. I don't know
which one is right and I don't know

715
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.960
which one is wrong. But I'm
just saying, if you look at Cirta

716
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.239
and things, it's a grift.
Yeah, And what he's doing here is

717
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.039
nothing but a grift. I don't
want to work a job. I want

718
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.239
to have my own farm, my
own I don't know anything about farming.

719
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.159
So it's everybody else's fault that I
had these loyal customers for fucking three weeks

720
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.159
and then they stopped following me,
and now my wife has to work at

721
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.280
McDonald's. You know, it's it's
a fucking grift. You have to you

722
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.079
own a farm, you have to
do a lot of work, you gotta.

723
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.039
It's there's there's farmers are up at
dawn and work until night. They're

724
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:35.199
not babysitting yet, you know what
I mean. Yeah, there's your fence

725
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.239
has got to look good. You
got your place has got to look kept.

726
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.679
You gotta who's gonna buy, you
know, stuff off you if you're

727
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:44.760
not so, I don't know.
It's just a grift. It's a there's

728
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.440
so many grifts out there, it's
unbelievable. And I like the word grift.

729
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.039
That's a great word. I'm realizing
too that if his farm was as

730
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.119
uncamped as it appeared, then of
course that product is going to be terrible

731
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.840
too. Absolutely, you know,
those loyal customers again, is just like

732
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.840
somebody, some nice old lady being
kind to him at the county. I'm

733
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.480
sure, I'm sure we'll give this
a shot. Have you ever been to

734
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.119
a farmer's marketing? Oh? Yes, and fat. I went to one

735
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:12.679
not that long ago up in Malibu. You're in the country, lad,

736
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:20.519
No, there's there's no markets all
over South California. But they're great.

737
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.800
Yeah, they're expensive, They're they're
always expensive. Yeah. I'm not a

738
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.559
loyal customer to any of them.
And you yeah, exactly. But you

739
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.000
try something and you go, this
is good, I'd buy it again,

740
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:34.880
or that was horrible. I'm not
buying again. And obviously their product was

741
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.920
not a good product. Exactly.
Well, this guy, Seth was found

742
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:44.400
guilty of a terrible product and sentenced
to life. Now he was found guilty

743
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.039
of felony murder. Your voice makes
me laugh. Thank you. That's what

744
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:52.320
my wife says to first three child
abuse, mandatory life in prison, no

745
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.719
possibility of parole, which I love
those words in pieces like this. No

746
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.719
possibility of parole. Good. I
don't want to hear you're thirty years from

747
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.400
now, you know, saying that
you're sorry, you're done. You're done

748
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:08.360
now, his wife. This is
where my updates are because when this episode

749
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.840
came, gather around, I don't
know about the update. There's everybody to

750
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.880
gather around, gather out everyone when
this up. When this episode came out.

751
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:20.079
We did not know what happened to
Tatiana the wife of skating. She

752
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.960
was figure skating at McDonald's. She
again, this is in the episode she

753
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:30.239
pleaded no contests. She was expected
to get twenty five years in prison.

754
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.400
There's this weird thing where she gave
birth to another child while she was in

755
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.519
prison, and that that child is
not allowed to have contact with. So

756
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.480
how many kids is that total?
Is that five total or four total?

757
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:46.719
Let's see three and then a fourth
child, so that would be one UM

758
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:52.679
and obviously the youngest one no longer
with us UM. But here is the

759
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:58.960
update. That plea of no contest
she withdrew that, which meant it did

760
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.719
have to go to trial. She
decided to let a jury decide what her

761
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.880
punishment should be. She's a same
word and it isn't Christian. Now,

762
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.360
this was just a couple of weeks
ago. This update is this is a

763
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.639
hot and fresh update. It's hot
and fresher than the big Mac that she

764
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:15.280
used to serve a cup of coffee, hot and steaming gaffy on your crutch.

765
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.119
So as you're listening to this,
I'm not kidding. Like a couple

766
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:21.719
of weeks ago, not even a
month ago, this woman, Tatiana,

767
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:28.800
was found guilty of murder and child
abuse. She testified that she was abused

768
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:32.360
and tortured by her husband, which
is what left her unable to care for

769
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:37.880
the baby. The most gruesome story
in her testimony was that Seth put a

770
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.559
gun to her head and raped her, and that he had also tried to

771
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:47.239
perform an exorcism on her when she
was pregnant with that fourth kid. But

772
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.159
here's the deal. I can believe
all that. I believe it too.

773
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:55.679
I believe obviously those things came up
though as a way to be like,

774
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:00.239
oh, lightened my sentence, feel
bad for me, look at look at

775
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:01.960
what my husband did to me.
I shouldn't be in prison forever. She

776
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.199
should have been crying, she should
have been screaming out when they were on

777
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:10.880
nine to eleven. Yeah, now
I'm getting confused in God, not in

778
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:15.400
my mind. I know what you
mean. But here's the thing. The

779
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:20.840
autopsy showed that she had not fed
her baby for days, even though she

780
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.320
said that she did. And you
could just tell from the biology of the

781
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:30.280
breast, of the lips, of
the stomach. There's all different kinds of

782
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.639
things you could use that would indicate
if there's any food or has been any

783
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:38.440
food or breast milk, nothing at
all. So on November seventeenth, twenty

784
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:45.920
twenty one, she was sentenced to
life in prison without the possibility of parole,

785
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.119
which is the felony or excuse me, the mandatory sentence for a felony

786
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.519
murder conviction. So I was pleased
as punched to hear that because when we

787
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:57.800
first heard this episode, I was
actually kind of wondering, like what happened

788
00:54:57.800 --> 00:54:59.599
to the mom? And in my
mind, I was like, you know

789
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:04.239
what, she's probably getting a pretty
big sentence. But my guess is that

790
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.639
they would like feel bad for her
and let her off the hook a little

791
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.880
bit, but apparently not sell.
So I don't know did they feel like

792
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.840
this was justice delivered? I kind
of feel like both these people, I

793
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.920
feel I deserved to have their lives
spend in prison. Absolutely feel Do you

794
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.920
know what happened to the children?
The other children? Do they? Because

795
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:29.159
when they go to live with the
grandparents, I sometimes I'm like, well

796
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.119
is that much better? Yeah?
Because you created that piece of shit over

797
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:36.559
there? So should you get a
second shot? Right? Because I don't

798
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:40.400
know, well, I didn't see
if it was specifically with the grandparents.

799
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.159
Definitely, the two siblings were you
know, taken from the farm and not

800
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.880
allowed to have contact with their parents. I assumed that they would go to

801
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.239
some sort of family member. One
can only hope that there is somebody normal

802
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:59.719
and that you know, immediate family
that could take responsibility. But I again,

803
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:01.480
this is an assumption here, But
I would like to think that if

804
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:07.480
in fact the grandparents are not capable
of taking care of the kids, that

805
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.400
they wouldn't put them in that position. I would like to think that they

806
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.880
would maybe research it a little bit
better make sure they end up in a

807
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.039
home that's going to be caring for
them. You know, do you think

808
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:23.519
there should be some sort of investigation
on how we get to these places at

809
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:30.039
when somebody's a murderer and try to
see what what got them there and how

810
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:36.880
we can change their upgroom, Like
was it their their environment that created it

811
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.679
them being that person or were they
are you're asking, Oh, I just

812
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:44.480
think that should be part of like
a police procedure. Yeah, I mean,

813
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:45.920
I guess it kind of is a
little bit, because do you think

814
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:52.320
would slow down murder if we knew
what was being done wrong? Yeah.

815
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:53.840
I mean, I don't know,
we don't need that because we needed a

816
00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:59.199
lot more episodes. Yeah. Sorry, I think it's my views have changed

817
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:04.480
so much after hearing so many of
these same types of stories, and I

818
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.719
yeah, I agree with the idea
that there should be a way to kind

819
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:14.159
of like preventatively keep the stuff from
happening, like let's focus more on the

820
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.880
mental health. But there's just plenty
of stories where even with that stuff in

821
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.760
place, it still happens. It's
just sadly, like a weird part of

822
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.719
depravity and human behavior. I'm gonna
ask, I'm gonna ask the people that

823
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.840
listen to this show, Yeah,
send an email or tweet it. What

824
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:36.960
is there anything that could have been
done that could have prevented this? Well,

825
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:38.320
here's let me bring this into the
world of pop culture, because that's

826
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:43.159
what I love to do. There's
a little movie starring Tom Cruise called Minority

827
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:50.320
Report. Are you familiar with this
documentary? In that story, they have

828
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:54.280
something called pre crime, which is
again this is really going into the depths

829
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.559
of some sci fi here, but
they have a group of psychics who are

830
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:02.360
able to predict when a murder will
happen. And now we have a special

831
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:08.239
task force whose job it is before
that countdown clock runs out, get that

832
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:13.719
potential victim out of that space before
they're going to get killed, and then

833
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:19.199
arrest somebody for a crime that they
didn't actually commit, but we quote unquote

834
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.679
know that they were going to commit
that crime. So now I let's take

835
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.039
your question. My question is like
that contextualized, like, how far are

836
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.840
we going to go to stop a
crime? Well, it's it's learning what

837
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:37.079
created what was in that was this
person's environment, the reason this kind of

838
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:38.519
happened. I just think that stuff
comes out in the trial, like you

839
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:45.960
will eventually kind of learn, But
we don't do anything to like what I'm

840
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.000
saying when we put the grand kids
back into that situation, if it's part

841
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:53.719
of the environment, well we're just
putting more into that environment, right,

842
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.880
Yeah. I just I don't know
how to how Like it just seems like

843
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.360
everybody has such a complicated life.
I don't know how you say, Okay,

844
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:05.239
well this is the one that's going
to become something scary, so we

845
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.239
better focus here on this. I
don't know. I guess everybody is trying

846
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.960
to do the right thing and helping, but I also don't think it should

847
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.199
all be like over legislated and then
everything's just being monitored. Like I just

848
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.519
feel like that can spin out a
kid that can spin out control. But

849
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.679
I don't know, There's got to
be something because why is there so much

850
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:30.360
murder now than before? Like why
when we talk about when I, when

851
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:32.719
we were kids, we could run
around stupid and free. Why is why

852
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:37.840
why have we grown to make that
not available? Yeah? Like, what

853
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:43.000
what are we doing? You know? The gene pool, man, it's

854
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.639
a gene for all. We're all
just too many. Everybody's related, everyone's

855
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:50.119
related. It's the gene pool is
just going down the toilet. We're living

856
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.960
We're living proof, We're living proof. It's plazer shit. And what a

857
00:59:55.119 --> 01:00:04.360
wonderful note to end this holiday special
episode on huh Hi? I did like,

858
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.519
how about twenty minutes ago you started
to bring Santa Claus back into the

859
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.480
fold again? And I say,
oh, we were only that much closer

860
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.639
to the hour. We could have
wrapped it. Oh, I could have

861
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:17.559
just said and to a good night, than to all a good night well

862
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.360
in all sincere and all sincerity,
thank you guys all for listening to this

863
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.800
show. We have a ton of
fun recording yet maybe you can hear it

864
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:28.800
in our voices. But let us
know what you think of the show.

865
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.000
Give us a nice review on iTunes, leave us five stars, leave a

866
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:37.679
comment. Apparently you can't on Spotify. Yeah, Spotify doesn't want those ratings.

867
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.239
They don't want those too busy Joe
Rogan. Yeah, so why don't

868
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:44.199
you just make sure you tweet it? Tweet something nice if you're listening on

869
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.119
Spotify, and you can tweet us
directly if you want. I'm on Twitter

870
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:53.039
at Matt Fondelier, and Ian's on
Twitter at sir ian Bag and ianbag dot

871
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.679
com two gez if you want to
find out about some of Ian's upcoming toward

872
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.679
dates, DEGs I Knew Year Eve. I'll be in San Jose at the

873
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.960
San Jose improv. I just realized
you and Snoop Dogg you're the two with

874
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:09.840
the doubles. You never do that
bauble G B a double G. Now

875
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:15.159
you can use that if you want
any want to use that in your repertoire.

876
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:19.920
I'm related to Snoop Bag Snoop back
I mentioned earlier. I'm on another

877
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.199
show. It's called The water Cooler. You can get that on iTunes ian's

878
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.800
been on before. We're gonna get
you on again soon because we loved having

879
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.079
you on that show. By the
way, people, next week's episode is

880
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:36.239
about Edwin Laura, who's that campus
security guard. Her goes on a freaking

881
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:40.679
rampage. It is a batshit crazy
episode. Really looking forward to talking to

882
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:44.039
you about that one. And I
think I think you're gonna like that one

883
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:47.039
would be fun. And uh,
we're gonna try to get Boudet back on

884
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:50.719
the show soon. But you know, tell me you want to hear him

885
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:52.559
on the show again. Yeah,
exactly. We really do appreciate you guys

886
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:58.360
listening. We'll see you next week, but until then, don't be a

887
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:12.440
douchebag. Yeah, your cockshackers.
Sword and Scale Reward is a production of

888
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:15.840
Incongruity Media. If you enjoy the
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889
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:20.639
and a glowing review. No criticism
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890
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:22.639
sure to tell your friends about us, but not your family or co workers

891
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:27.920
because I'll think you're weird. Okay, that's it, let's tell next time.

892
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:29.079
Don't be a douchebag.