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Well, Whiskey Coming Fame by Pain
Harney the Brain Whiskey Don't You Let Me

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Go? From Powerline blog dot com
and produced by Ricochet dot Com. This

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is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with
your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and

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Powerlines International Woman of Mystery Lucresha's gotta
give me and let them whiskey blow where

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you're feeling low down and loan?
Well, Well, welcome everybody to the

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three Whiskey Happy Hour. This is
Lucresha the International rooman of Mystery, joined

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as always by my co host Steve
Hayward and John You. John You is

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in this really exciting looking u backdrop
with lots of old books and smokey lounge

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sort of things. He's at the
University Club. Is that what you said?

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John? Yes, only a political
theory person would think this background denotes

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excitement. I think has been.
I don't want to throw shot on the

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University Club in San Francisco to this
kind of old school. I used to

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go there a lot for lunch with
William Rusher when he lived up there on

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NaBiO in his retirement years, and
we could still smoke cigars. Then someplace,

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Oh, I'm sure they do.
Here. They have a great balcony

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that overlooks downtown San Francisco. People
have been known to smoke cigars there.

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You can still smoke indoors back in
the twentieth century anyway, Yeah, there's

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that. I don't think you can
smoke outdoors anymore unless it's pot right,

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Seriously, I'm not making a joke. I'm being dead serious. Yeah,

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yeah, okay, So I got
a lot. First of all, a

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loyal listener, a long time listener
who's been listening since the beginning, said

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that they had um for a variety
of reason's gone back to listen to some

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of the original three Whiskey Happy Hour
podcasts, and notice that we have actually

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dropped the format which which birthed the
three Whiskey out Happy Hour in the first

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place, which was we were going
to do three whiskeys, and they were

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going to be, generally speaking,
a nasty peade whiskey to have the nastiest

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story of the week, a sweet
Irish whiskey. So hence, I have

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my Irish whiskey with me here,
an Irish coffee for the sweet story of

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the week, and then a decent, interesting story that goes with real single

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malt scotch, single malt bourbon.
I happen to have, of course,

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single malt scotch with me today,
and we're going to resurrect that and just

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see how it goes. But I'm
gonna let these guys choose which story goes

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with which kind of whiskey. Well, can I just say that I feel

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just a little bit more for John. Originally I was copying, not exactly,

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but being the three martini lunch that
Jim Gartty does I think is so

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good. They do that every day, you know, five days a week.

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It's a very short show, it's
but they have their what crazy good

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and bad martinis, and I thought
we could do you know, Pete sweet

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and three whiskeys and the three topics
and and but the show evolved, so

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that did. But but this is
a this is a legacy show. This

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is old okay, all right,
school three whiskey happy Hour. Well,

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John and I had a fabulous whiskey
together Thursday at the Villa Taverna in San

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Francisco. What was that, John? Hibeki? How you say that?

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Hibeky? Yeah, hibeaky Japanese whisky. It was really good. You would

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I had last week. That's what
I had last week, remember in honor

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of a glance is Zumi. Oh
course it was great, really smooth and

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very sure, but not too much
character, no, Pete, as far

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as I could tell, that's what
you said last week too about it.

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Actually, John, even have it
in front of you. I was drinking

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it. Well, we caught up
with you last night. So anyway,

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and by the way, you should
tell you boy that Steve did a great

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interview of Judge Carlos Baya, who
stepped down from the ninth one senior status

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on the ninth Circuit, who Steve
said, I think quite rightly so was

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the most is the most interesting man
who is now currently a federal judge.

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Just an incredible background and life story. Well, listeners you I'm pretty sure

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John, I got a good recording
of him. Oh good, And so

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I will turn into a podcast so
listeners will get to hear from Judge Bay

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who was really by the way,
I didn't say it's the most interesting man.

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That was the Los Angeles Daily Journal, the trade journal for the LA

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legal community. And they're right,
he's really fun so and it was a

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great conversation. So I will produce
that and posted up as a standalone podcast

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sometime the next week or two.
Okay, So first I want to the

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three of us went back and forth. Actually didn't add anything to it.

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It was these guys. I was
in the middle of doing a million things

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and texting as I was walking like
other students on campus and running into people,

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you know, that sort of whole
thing, while they were going back

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forth with their their derivatives of woke. So I believe the first one was

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UM from Amy Wax and what was
it, Steve? Oh shoot, I

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don't remember now. What did I
say? Uh darn it? It was

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was, wait, wacocracy. I
think that was that's mine, Wolca babbel,

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Woca Babbel. That's it, Malcababel. That was a great one.

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And that you, John, You
said wacocracy And then he said, what

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about Woca lingo? Yeah, Walca
Lingo. I like that babble lingo.

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Yeah. And I said, it's
just a little bit like SNL, like

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Saturday Live, Woke ameister woke a
rama. We were gonna have a woke

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rama. So anyway, I'm happy
to see commenters push put their own ideas

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for derivatives of woke. UM that
would be great. So, because we

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have a full agenda for today,
we're gonna get jump right into the heavy

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stuff and we'll figure out. I
imagine this one has to go with the

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Irish whiskey in big part because I'm
going to bring Ireland into it, whether

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these guys wanted or not. But
John's going to talk to us just a

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little or s excuse me, Steve's
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about the Clarence Thomas story because he's
working on a piece. So Steve take

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it away. Yeah, well,
that's right. We didn't have time to

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get into it last week. It
broke right as we were getting together last

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week. And as what's the story, it's these pro Publica people. They

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just they build themselves as an independent, nonprofit investigative journalism outfit funded they leave

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this part out by left wing philanthropist
affiliated with the Democratic Party. Their last

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big story, by the way,
a year or so ago, was revealing

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the great specific details of the tax
returns of the four hundred wealthiest people in

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America that had been leaked to them
by someone in the i RSS. And

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that's someone committed a felony in doing
so, because that's supposed to be kept

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private information. So we still have
found that leaker. I think it's the

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same person who leaked the Supreme Court
Dab's opinion. Probably. Anyway, what's

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the story about. It turns out
that Clarence Thomas has been the beneficiary of

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a lot of them. And actually
the precise term is the hospitality of Harden

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Crowe, who's a billionaire that John
knows some and I've met him several times.

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I've sat in a bar with him
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hospitality is legendary. He has a
lavish private retreat up in the ad Rondocks

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in New York and he loves to
have lots of people come through. He

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has a super yacht that he loans
out to friends of his to sail all

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over the world because he wants to
keep it. He has a crew,

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he wants to keep the crew busy. He wants to keep the boat maintained

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and going. Lots of people have
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And he has his own private plane
that when he's not to flying himself

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around, he likes to loan out
to his friends. So Thomas was one

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of those. And this is a
big scandal and the amazing thing about the

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whole story is, you know,
where do you start the double standards involved

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here? There's no the dog that
doesn't bark in the story is there's no

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even an insinuation. There's no way
they can stick together any kind of influence,

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peddling, any kind of corrupting.
In fact, here's what they do

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say. This isn't the story itself. I'll quote here. Crow and this

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firm have not had a case before
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And the best they can do,
and i'll quote it here, is it

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is unclear if Crow has had any
influence on the Justice's vieus. Now.

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I mean, if you pay any
attention at all the Clarence Thomas, you

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will know that that statement is laughable. If it weren't so stupid and ludicrous,

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right, I mean, you know, And part of what's going on

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here is it marries two things going
on. The left hates Thomas, they

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hate all black conservatives, and they
really hate Thomas, and they hate billionaires.

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So the first question is what took
them so long to come to this

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angle to attack Thomas? Steve?
Do they really hate billionaires? I think

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that's not true anymore. Only if
they're right wing billionaires. But well,

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you know that that would depend on
the circumstances. They certainly didn't hate Jeffrey

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Epstein, uh correct, And nor
were they upset about Bill Clinton and every

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other elite in Washington and Hollywood.
Going on Epstein's undisclosed wealth source, Lolita

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expressed to go, right, well, let me let me just say this

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for the time being, and then
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uninteresting. Ultimately, I think you're
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The left loves billionaires these days,
starting with George Sorros. On the other

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hand, there is a popular phrase
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it runs, every billionaire, every
billionaire is a policy failure. And Robert

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Reisch, I think who may have
popularized that. He goes further and he

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says every billionaire's fortune is either the
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In other words, every billionaire,
he asserts his very nearly the equivalent

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of a criminal. And I once
tweet it back. So then include Oprah

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Winfrey, does she uh you know
right? I mean, okay, you

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know, but you see that if
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of all billionaires. I think you'd
see the left wheel into place. I'm

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not convinced to that, Steve anymore, honestly. I mean, stupid idiots

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like Robert Wright might feel that way, but I don't think most of the

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left does, because you know,
they've got the money now, they've got

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the money for the most part,
and they've got the new money, which

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is definitely made um yeah. Yeah. And then and I've got a charge

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I may put up on power line
sometime soon. And it's all four hundred

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and thirty five congressional districts. And
what you see now is that the highest

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income districts were overwhelmingly represented by Democrats, and middle income and lower income districts

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um the very low income districts that
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something like that, that's still democratic. But middle income and lower middle income

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districts are now overwhelmingly Republican. This
is not news, but it's interesting to

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see it displayed on a chart.
I have to I have to interrupt here

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and just say ask John who it
doesn't appear to be drinking whiskey at the

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University club. It appears he's drinking
bud light, but because wow, no,

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No, what I say now is
that what you want to do now

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is you want to have light bud
instead of bud light but sorrow. So

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it looks like a yellow can.
It's not a blue can. So it's

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just diet coke. Trump's for your
president's favorite drink can full of chemicals.

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Nothing better Thomas. Yeah. Just
you know, since I clerked for Thomas

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and I know Crow, and i've
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with them together at the American Enterprise
Institute, Steve said, if there was

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anybody who's views on jurisprudence is just
least likely to be affected by rich people

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or donors or people hangs around with, it's him. I mean, you

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could not be clearer and more obvious
about how you think the Constitution should be

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interpreted. Thomas is the most committed
of all the originalists, I think,

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and the least in favor of precedent. Also, I think, you know

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the I say that, I think
Justice Thomas had no obligation to report any

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of this stuff, and actually I
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of life, this idea that oh, if you're a judge, you should

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you have to meticulously report everybody you
have lunch with, anybody who gives you

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a gift, or anybody you give
a gift to. And it's this idea

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that you know, we can write
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simple morality. And the simple moral
question is did Thomas every sit on a

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case that involved his friend? No? No, if he did, that'd

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be you know, he there'd be
a due process problem. But that could

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be the same for something much much
less than going on a yacht or taking

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a vacation or doing those sorts of
things. I mean, just the fact

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that you know you're friends with somebody, even if they're poor as a church

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mouse, you you would be expected
to recuse yourself because you could not be

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fair and balanced or fair and impartial. That's the word I'm looking for,

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right, And that's the price of
the vacation. Yeah, I'm there to

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due process clause, right, you
you ever? Right? In fact,

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it be whoever's litigating against the person
who allegedly is favorite receiving favoritism from Thomas.

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You ever, right to a neutral
decisions a neutral judge. And so

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that's the real standard. And so
what I find is, so I'm the

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corrupts you strong I find so pervasive
but wrong behind this is this idea,

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let's just legislate everybody's ethics. Yeah, let's replace simple judgment about what's fair

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with reporting requirements and you know,
playing gotcha because I think that's what this

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is. Yeah, but that's only
partially true, John, because I'd forget

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which judge it was in one of
the Trump related trials in Washington, DC

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that you know on record as having
given money to Hillary Clinton, having given

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money to Joe Biden. No need
to recuse him or herself, I forget.

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I just remember thinking that seems to
me to be a bit of a

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conflict of interest. It's really obvious
that you're not fair and impartial under those

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circumstances. But I was just going
to say, you know, poor professors

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like you and me, we look
forward to having rich friends like Steve who

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will take us places and buy us
expensive dinners, and can take us on

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his plane and his yacht. You
know, it doesn't mean that A proof

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of the fact that we are we
cannot be bought by Steve's largess is that

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we're still mean to him, all
right, Oh man, At every opportunity

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and one or two more thoughts on
all this. Uh so the next so

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called shoot to drop as well.
It turns out Harland Crowe bought parents Thomas's

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mother's house or from the family or
something for a very modest sum and then

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you re modeled and fixed it up
and thought, well this is you know,

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corrupt or something. But you know, was it. Clarence Thomas himself

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was only like a one third ownership
of it, so his share was you

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know something, and it was one
hundred and thirty thousand dollars or some you

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know, pocket chains or somebody like
Harland Crowe. I happen to know that

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Harlan Crowe bought a house, a
nice place right next to Charles Murray out

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in the Maryland countryside. Why do
you do that, well, he said,

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Charles, you need company. You're
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know, on purpose, and I
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And you know what I'm gonna be
need is if you'd have somebody you

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know, people come to stay.
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went and rented the house I think
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working on a book along with and
so I'd go out to see Charles for

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dinner. This is more than ten
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and and he was then engaged to
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it's been a sort of steady stream
of like visiting writers. And Harlan thought

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that just to be neat, you
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that, that's the kind of guy
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is just sort of ludicrous if you
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part of it that is striking is
a lot of people have said, oh,

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this shows you what a phoney Thomas
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how he really likes to see the
heartland of America and traveled as RV.

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They didn't say those stories weren't true. They're just trying to, you know,

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throw a slime on him, because
I mean, I do love telling

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the story about how he likes to
drive his RV up to Missouri, where

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Jenny's family's from, and he used
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Walmart allowed RV people to do that. If ended that, I think because

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of the homeless problem and other things. But you know, he'd tell the

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story because he's not widely recognized person
because they're not on TV in the Supreme

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Court. And you know, we
have other people parked there, or you

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know, sometimes we the bus drivers
for Taylor Swift or somebody. You know,

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I have the buses parked there,
and they come up and they keep

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me barbecuing on a little habachi outside, and it said, oh, it's

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a nice rig. Who do you
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oh, miss Jenny, I drive
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So okay, I'm gonna turn this
sweet story into the nasty story here for

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a minute and say it's just like
so much else, not just double standards.

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Leave the double standards aside. But
Clarence Thomas is the what would you

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call it. There's a good word, and I just can't think of it.

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Of the left he is. And
this brings me to the Hackeen Jeffreys

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story. Nothing that the left hates
more than a strong conservative black of influence.

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There's nothing that they hate more in
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well everything they've tried, right,
well, yeah, that's right. I

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mean I remember the feminist in the
eighties used to say that Jeane Kirkpatrick and

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Margaret Thatcher were female impersonators, which
I'm not sure how you'd even do that

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today gender confusion. But by the
way, I did forget one thing,

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but the house business. Somebody dug
up that a bank executive, I forget

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which Delaware bank, but they're all
in Delaware, right, bought a house

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from Joe Biden at a substantial profit
to Biden. And by the way,

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now who knows if Biden would have
done it anyway, but Biden was the

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point man for changing bankruptcy laws in
waves that favored Delaware banks around two thousand

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and seven. And by the way, all the students who who I think

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rightly complained that they're not able to
discharge their student loans in bankruptcy, that

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was part of legislation that Biden pushed
on. Behalf of the banks that were

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in those those days still own business. So where's pro publica looking at things

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like that? Just to pick one
thing that you or just remember when somebody

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bought to the lat next to the
Obama's Yeah, that's right, somebody all

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in any well, you go back
to the Clinton's leaving the White House broke

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and in debt because Bill's legal bills
and how they get that mansion in Chautauqua,

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what's his name? The governor Virginia
bought it for them because he was

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super rich, right, Um,
you know the guy who lost the governor's

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race a couple of years of Harry
McCall Harry mccullof bought the house for them.

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Yes, wow, another later,
I mean, you know, reimbursed

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him or something. But still,
I mean that there were some people at

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times to gosh, that's kind of
dodgy, isn't it. But there you

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go. But so the worst of
the worst, Clarence Thomas is the worst

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of the worst as far as the
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he's black, not just because he's
smart, not just because he's conservative,

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but because he also has that terrific
story. You know that the actual rags

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to riches, pull yourself up by
your own bootstrap, make you know,

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work yourself across different philosophical or ideological
perspectives to get to this point. You

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know, everything that that demonstrates how
the falsities of the leftist perspective is demonstrated

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by Clarence Thomas's life. That's I
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you can't you can't what Jeffries is
supposedly called I won't even use the

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term house you know what to refer
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some of them not so conservative,
but anyway, it's just the foulest sort

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of thing. And of course he'll
Jeffries will never be made to pay for

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it because the media. You have
to tell me what he said. So

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here's what happened. They dug up
was it as dissertation now as probably as

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senior college newspaper editorials. And he
praised his uncle who was a radical,

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who was a professor and a radical
anti semide and and you know, praised

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him in this this article and then
talked about, um, how horrible black

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conservatives were mentioned Clarence Thomas, I
think, um, Shelby Steele and who

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is the general, Colin Paul,
Colin Powell by name, and called them

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house you know what, and um
that they that they put their own self

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interest basically above the um. They
allied themselves with the white power structure who

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were oppressing their people, and they
thought it was just awful. Of course

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he was, he was a kid, but he's never come out because he

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hasn't had to. He hasn't been
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Do you disavow this story? Um? Remember that that um Brett Kavanaugh was

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asked to uhlinybody wrote in somebody's yearbook
right in high school? Right? And

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I thought his answer was good,
Yeah, I did write that I was

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sixteen, right, Yeah, and
he doesn't have to So I guess there's

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that. All right enough, But
well that's going on, Well that is

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going around. Are you following this? This one of these state legislators in

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Tennessee who was now acting the whole
you know, black radical preacher visage.

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But it turns out are you think
he went to Bowden? I keep wanting

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to president and but there he you
know, he like a Wall Street banker,

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right, he was what was it
Harry Reid called Obama at one point,

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um, an articulate black man,
A nice, clean, articulate black

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man. He was a nice Biden
said that. Well, so so that

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was true of what's his name down
in Tennessee was a nice, clean,

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articulate black man. And then he
became a lot of posturing going on here.

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Okay, yes there is and it
makes me sick. But anyway,

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all right, you mean you're peaty
sour whiskey the day right, Yeah,

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yes, it's too hard. So
I sent the guys. I sent the

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guys a blog post. There's a
new brewery opening in my little town,

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which is a big deal because we
don't have a lot of good restaurants,

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we don't have a brewery. And
it's a brewery that started in Tombstone,

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most of you have heard, which
is not far from where I live.

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Tombstone, the famous Tombstone from the
movie you know, the Okay Corral Wyatt

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air Ball of that, and the
one in Tombstone is just the brewery.

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You can just drink beer there,
you can bring in your own food.

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But there's also one in Phoenix that
has food. And last summer they were

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going to they'd agreed to open up
their brewery to a meeting of the Phoenix

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Federalist Society, and the left got
wind of this and staged a massive boycott,

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which probably isn't that big of a
deal in a place like Phoenix.

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You know who's going to pay any
attention to that. But this is huge

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online nonsense about the problem being that
the and I'm going to have to get

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this right. The Federalist Society is
responsible for the overturning of Row versus Wade.

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Yeah, single handedly, you know, single handedly responsible for so they

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needed to be boycotted for even allowing
these people into their restaurant. So what

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do you think about that, John, since you are infected a Society member,

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I find this incredible. What is
I actually think? One thing it's

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interesting is just I do think that
as a Federal Society member, I think

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that people have the right to kick
anyone out of their business that they want.

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And I also think that people could
make demands, you know, if

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they want to that people that businesses
don't let certain people in. But the

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business business owner doesn't have to listen
to anybody. He has the right to

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serve who he wants. I think
the guy who makes the you know,

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the the wedding cakes in Colorado has
the right to sell the cakes to he

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wants, as the right to put
the frosting away he wants to on the

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cakes. Um. This it's almost
h ironic that these people are trying to

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force someone if they were in fact
sympathetic to the Federal Society, they're trying

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to force the exact opposite person of
who would listen to them, right,

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someone who And so one thing Lucretia
sent us was the website of the brewery

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which had his long letter, and
the brewery owner, who unfortunately turned out

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to be a lawyer. He spends
all of his time now making beer,

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a good beer as a matter of
fact. So all my own point is,

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you know, whereas the normal American
would have just stuck a middle finger

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in the window at these people,
he actually wrote like looks like a five

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page single space response. And I
you know, I thought he made some

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good points. He said, Um, and everybody's allowed to come into his

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business. And it's a bad sign
actually of our culture that there are people

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who run around monitoring who's going in
and out of certain restaurants and trying to

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get them canceled from restaurants. He
said. You know, he called for

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more understanding and between Americans. I
thought it was really quite a great,

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quite a great statement, and I
think it made the protesters look like fools.

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Yeah, I don't know, they're
well, I'll link to it in

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the show notes. Um, a
couple of quick guys. I also,

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I also would not take the position
they do. And Lucretia can tell us

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all about this in a state where
I believe people are allowed to carry a

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R fifteens out openly while they walk
around in the street. Right, This

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is not the best civilian population to
try to enforce boy illegal boycots on people.

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I want to get to Steve spot, but I got her address that

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really quick, Steve. You do
often especially it is especially a thing excuse

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the expression in Tombstone. So you
know, people would come visit me,

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they've ever been here before, and
they'll want to go to Tombstone because it's

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you know, they have a lot
of things that they've kept exactly the same

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as they were. And you will
see people all over Tombstone walking with loaded

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six shooters on their hips. Well
you and you see that. I see

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it in home depot here in my
town, and you know that kind of

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thing. You see it all the
time. You see sometimes a little bit

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more sophisticated weapons holstered because constitutional carey
means you can have them holstered and obvious

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or holstered and hidden concealed. Wow. But you don't see people walking around

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very often with a K forty seven's
or with a or fifteens. I will

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tell you that much. You're usually
going to or from the range, if

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you're doing that sort of thing.
So just in case anybody's worried, well,

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I was thinking, if you're if
the guys at the brewery are being

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protested by your normal Democratic Socialist of
America lodge member, all you have to

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do is walk out the door with
just a picture of an AAR fifteen,

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and you will spark crying and never
spreak downs, and the protest will be

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over. Those soy boys that make
up the left, except some of their

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girlfriends are a little bit hefty,
but or boyfriend anyway, most of the

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time a quick punch to the nose
will take them out. But anyway,

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you know, you really don't need
a weapon a Glaire, you know though,

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Well, actually I was gonna give
you a transition out one a trivia

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about Tombstone that you almost never hear
about. I believe it was very Goldwater's

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father or maybe your grandfather. Think
father was you know, a saloon keeper

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in Tombstone or something, and by
one account he was not part of the

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freakas between Doc Holliday and whoever it
was. But he handed a rifle to

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somebody saying, hey, you need
more weapons for this. That's you know

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that's in some of the deep bold
water lord that you can find. Um.

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Second, I'm also realizing, Huerry, Yeah, there you go.

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I missed a major opportunity. You
know, when I got to West now

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ten years ago, I went to
Boulder, be the first visiting conservative and

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they have downtown a bohemian beer garden. It's a really terrific beer place,

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good food. And I decided and
I posted on power line, Hey,

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I'm coming to Boulder. Let's do
a meet up. And I asked them

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if I could have the back room
to have a little meet up with a

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group of people, and said,
oh sure fine, and you know,

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we'll serve you and all that stuff, and had like thirty five people showed

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up. It was a nice gathering. But of course my announcement was,

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what's the right wing conspiracy in a
deep blue town? That don't they always

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start in the back room wile bohemian
beer hall. So we didn't get protested,

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though I would have later in the
year, I think, but it

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got by the left there unfortunately,
or he could have had some fun anyway.

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Okay, all right, well so
anyway we're actually are you you're not

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coming? Are you to our little
Swarry up in Phoenix. UM, in

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a couple of weeks, John,
are you guys, Are you guys having

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those conferences on envy and jealousy again? No? No, no, we're

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meeting up with power Line UM listeners
and commenters. Uh. This is organized

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by Ammo Girl, UM, who
does the Friday Ammo Girl UM humor column.

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Yeah, humor column. And she's
hilarious and she's a she's still a

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comedian. I thought you were.
I just thought you were Ammo Girl.

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Two different people thy time. Because
she's retired now to go to the range

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like every day. God bless her. So Um. Anyway, that's so

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she organized this, I guess for
the first time last year. And there's

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a huge, huge interest in people
who are power Line fans whatever you want

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to call it, and they spend
their own money to go hang out at

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a at a Hilton in Phoenix and
chat and have sessions and Steve and I

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are going to try to do a
podcast. If you've got nothing better to

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do, come to Phoenix, visit
your person there that you know. And

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I thought I'd mentioned that Dave's John
you had something on, but maybe I

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didn't. I don't remember now.
It's stay. Why are you bringing this

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up, Lucretia exactly because they Tombstone
Brewery where this oh, where this boycott

419
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occurred, was actually the one,
the Tombstone Brewery in Phoenix where it happened,

420
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right where it happened. Yes,
so I think while we're there,

421
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we need to um, we need
to pay Pima. Yeah, that makes

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sense, that's my point. Okay, Sorry, enough about that. Let's

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move on. I want to ask
you California guys something. What about your

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your your esteemed senior Senator Diane Feinstein. Well, I shouldn't laugh. I

425
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mean she's I had shingles once I
took a day off work. Well that

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would be you. Yeah, I'm
you know, yeah, if Lucretia got

427
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:14.079
shingles, I sympathize with shingles.
Look, I mean she's already borderline senile

428
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or beyond, and shingles is pretty
rough, I think at any age,

429
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but especially her age. And what's
interesting to me is well, so,

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first of all, I did write
about this a couple of days ago.

431
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There's been this periodic campaign of clearly
planted stories about how terrible Camela Harris is.

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It's as all the hallmarks of planet
story because it's sources close to the

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White House, three people never named. Always they are always anonymous source stories,

434
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and but with verbatim quotes saying,
oh, you know it really lost

435
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confidence in Harris. You can't do
the job. People are very anxious,

436
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:52.359
and it's pretty clear that what's going
on here is a concerted effort, maybe

437
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with Biden's approval who knows knowledge or
approval, to force her off the ticket

438
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.680
next year, in the same way
a lot of Republicans thirty years ago wanted

439
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.200
to dump Dan Quail from the vice
presidency as George H. W. Bush

440
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was heading towards his dismal reelection.
Okay, so I've been saying, we

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take time out from the dump Harris
campaign through the dump Feinstein campaign, and

442
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.400
you know, what's going on here
is one as one of many. But

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what Biden doesn't nominate a lot of
really radical judges who are you know,

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We've highlighted how bad some of these
people are, and they can only get

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by on a pure party line vote, maybe even with losing a vote or

446
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two with Kamela Harris breaking a tie, and they need Feinstein to get these

447
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people out of committee nor them the
Senate floor. So Feinstein is resisting retire,

448
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:46.160
resigning. And the really interesting question
to me is, but she has

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said, oh, why don't you
send an understudy to the Judiciary Committee for

450
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.079
me, Senator Schumer, Majority Leader
Schumer. That requires unanimous consent of the

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Senate to do. They won't get
that, Ted Cruise or somebody will object.

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And then the question is, is
mccaull or whoever his successor might be

453
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.759
that rumors sortling that he's going to
step down. He's not back yet,

454
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.599
right, Steve No, But it
says next week and the Senate's been out

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for the last before weeks. The
point is is will the Republicans hold a

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filibuster so they can't replace Finstein?
Because why should they help Biden approve a

457
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:20.360
whole bunch of or the Senate approve
a whole bunch of crazy judges. So

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00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.079
anyway, a lot of wheels turning
on this one. Well, so I

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wanted to ask what you guys think
about the possible I mean, the whole

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point of this, besides the Judiciary
Committee, which in and of itself,

461
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.880
of course is very important, is
to get somebody in there now appointed by

462
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:42.039
Gavin Gruesome too, will then be
able to run as the incumbent with all

463
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.920
the advantages that brings in a state
like California, and so so knowing you

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00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:51.519
guys are there on the ground talking
with deep politicos every day. Who is

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he going to nominate? And why
I'm shifting? Is it going to be?

466
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.000
Well? He is? I believe
that Gavin Newsom has said that he

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will appoint a black woman, and
so the only one who's running is Barbara

468
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:09.039
Lee. Oh is possibly the only
person that Republicans could beat in the general

469
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:15.960
election, right because Barbara Lee,
who is stupid, ugly awful, she

470
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is the congresswoman for Berkeley. Might
expect she's old, and she's she's dumb

471
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as a board. I won't even
talk about her looks because I'll get myself

472
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kicked off the podcast. Yeah,
yeah, forget all that for the moment.

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It seems to me a bad pick
from just raw politics because who's the

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large I know, But I mean
the point is, I think the black

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vote in California is now down about
five percent of the total population the Hispanic

476
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vote, which yeah, sorry,
I was just gonna say, I don't

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think the black vote cares if if
about that. I think it's the white

478
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.559
elites who care Ah. Yeah,
But the problem is the Democrats are losing

479
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.960
support among Hispanics and Asians in California, and they're gonna say, hey,

480
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wait a minute, because you do
have a Hispanic candidate or two. Um,

481
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and and you know, look a
lot of the white liberals like Adam

482
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.159
shift. In other words, if
no matter who uh do some picks,

483
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.760
he's gonna upset a whole lot of
people in Democratic coalition. I think his

484
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.039
best move would be defined a caretaker. So I would say, I'm just

485
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.079
going to serve out the term to
represent California, and I'm gonna leave a

486
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.679
Democratic voters to pick their candidate for
next year. You really want to be

487
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.519
the second. Who's the other Senator
from California right now? Who was appointed

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00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.360
to fill Harris Sarah? Right?
No, no, he's the uh no,

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no, he's helping Human Liabilities Department. Um it's yeah, it's Alex

490
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:43.039
Badilla, right yeah, okay yeah
uh And so you know, so by

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the way you appoint another Hispanic,
then you aren't gonna upset the black vote

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and you know, other groups in
California. So you know, it was

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newsome clever enough to say, let's
just have a placeholder if Einstein were to

494
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.199
step aside, I don't think so, but that would be the smart play.

495
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:59.599
I think, um and not I
think. I think, I think

496
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.000
John right. I think if you
appointed Barbara Lee, Republicans might actually beat

497
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.719
her next year. Oh god,
how could they not? I mean,

498
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.920
I probably will have to move somewhere
else if California actually were to elect Barbara

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00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.679
There is nothing redeeming about that woman, not a thing, not one single

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00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.400
redeeming quality. Well I can remember
is in the week after nine to eleven,

501
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she was the only person in the
House who voted against the resolution to

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use force in Afghanistan, probably because
she thought the nine to eleven attacks were

503
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.639
America's fault. Yeah, yeah,
but Jewish Americans fault, you know.

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00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:45.039
Yeah, here's the thing. So
she also has a reputation for being horrible

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to her staff. Just a horrible
person across the board. Just not a

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00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.440
nice person. Okay, not a
nice person. She treats people like scum.

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You know, she kicks people out
of their first class seats on airplanes,

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and you know, she's just awful. But so is oh what's her

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00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.559
name, Katie Porter. The more
as she's sort of risen to the top

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of the list of possibles. Um
More and more comes out about how cons

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I just don't get it. Why
if you're if you're fat and ugly,

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wouldn't you be nice to your husband? Oh yeah, but she scalded his

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head with hot mashed potatoes on him. You know. But but and of

514
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.039
course you know, all of that's
public record. But it's in a restraining

515
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.480
order he filed, and then it's
in divorce proceedings and so on. I

516
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.440
get that those things are always drama
queen's stuff, but still you don't make

517
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.920
all that up. And she's you
know, known for being horrible to herself.

518
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.079
Steve and I actually did almost an
entire podcast one time, John on

519
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:55.719
why it is that so many more
Democratic members of Congress, and you know,

520
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.719
politicians across the board are just horrific
people to their staff. You know,

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00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:07.599
Kamala Harris has that reputation. What's
that? Amy, Yes from Minnesota?

522
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:15.760
Just how is it that they're just
horrible people? What was your reason?

523
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.599
I've I've I've observed this in Washington. I think it's true that conservatives

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00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.880
tend to be much better to their
staff, and liberals are quite you know,

525
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.480
at quite badly towards them. What
was your What the explanation did you

526
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.400
guys come up with? I've always
wondered. My explanation takes us to the

527
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:37.400
end, so I'll make this short. Is that Republicans, actually some of

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most of them at least, really
believe in the idea of I'm going to

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call it human equality, and that
you actually should treat other human beings as

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you know, according to the Golden
rule, whether they're your employees or whether

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whoever they are. And and that
once you have abandoned the idea that these

532
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are human beings just like you and
you're not some sort of special elite,

533
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.719
there's nothing to stop you from treating
them like an overseer, like a you

534
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.000
know, a slave master. There's
nothing. It's what Jefferson talks about in

535
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Notes on the State of Virginia,
that it just leads to this sort of

536
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tyrannical the master slave relationship he calls
it. But it's a it's a mindset

537
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.400
leads to this tyrannical behavior. And
that was kind of, you know,

538
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.920
being way too oversimplified, and so
forth the conclusion we came to, right,

539
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.079
Steve, Yeah, my explanation is
parallel to that. If I had

540
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.679
all the time in the world for
trivial pursuits, I'd actually try and do

541
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:39.760
a semi empirical investigation based on categories
in social psychology. But what makes me

542
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.760
and I do think there's an idiologic
fual connection. And I'm trying to remember

543
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.800
who it was. You said it
was one of those somebody like It wasn't

544
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.199
Arthur Kesler, I don't think,
but somebody like him, one of those

545
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.920
ex communists too, was also interested
in political psychology and who made the observation

546
00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:00.880
that people on the left they love
the people as a whole as an abstract

547
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.920
concept, they hate individuals, right, And I mean, and I can

548
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:07.679
think of some Republican outliers by the
way. You know, John McCain had

549
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.440
a bad reputation for being tough,
but he wasn't really a very good Republican.

550
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.639
Well, I meant, once again, there's the you know, the

551
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.960
old I love the old jokes about
John McCain of you know what was the

552
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:23.039
worst job in North Vietnam was guarding
John McCain, Right, So you know

553
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.559
that you can kind him a little
bit of slack for his irrascibility and all

554
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:32.440
something. But more Republicans are like
Reagan. Yeah, and more Democrats are

555
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:37.639
like Kamala Harris. Yeah. I
don't think there's any doubt about it.

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And the more liberal Republicans are,
the more they're likely to be like Kamala

557
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:44.880
Harris. Yeah. Right, I
mean there are to be fair. I

558
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.159
mean, everybody who worked for Pat
moynihan, they said he could be difficult,

559
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.679
he could drink too much, but
they all loved him, right because

560
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:53.719
he was just great to be a
ransom anyway, it's you don't want to

561
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:59.320
overstate it, but it used.
It just seem to be quite a I'd

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00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.440
love to, uh, you know
as sometimes reminding me today on the phone

563
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:06.920
that I forget where I heard or
read this that Jerry Brown privately thinks that

564
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.280
Gavin Newsom is a complete moron.
Because that's true. He is a complete

565
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.760
true. The point is, there
are people around new Newsome who will,

566
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:20.480
if you get him in the right
bar sometime serve him some bud light.

567
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.760
Maybe I don't know, they'll they'll
spill the beans on how he's pretty a

568
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.320
miserable guy. That's just my hunch
about him. So yeah, and I

569
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.159
imagine you're right, Okay, Uh, we're going to get to now to

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00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.880
that before we get to the major
topic that John wants to um uh pontificate

571
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.840
about today. I do want to
say, Steve, I have special exit

572
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.000
music that I'm going to insist that
you use. Okay um in honor of

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00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:52.760
Katie Porter. Okay, so I
will I'm saying that now so that listeners

574
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.920
will listen all the way through to
the end for um. And he goes

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00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:02.400
along with our Irish whiskey theme of
the sweet Story. So John Sean tell

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00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:09.440
us a little bit about this whole
controversy regarding the abortion pill. Yeah.

577
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.280
I was waiting for us to get
to this case, not just because it's

578
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.000
in the news, but it gives
us another opportunity to talk about natural law

579
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:25.599
and Lincoln Okay harder time this time
than the last time. So, as

580
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:31.519
I'm sure everybody has been following,
there's a big controversy going on about a

581
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:39.559
chemical abortion drug that was approved by
the FDA over twenty years ago, and

582
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:46.639
so a district judge in Texas named
Camarchick I believe I'm pronouncing it correctly issued

583
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:55.679
an order blocking or not overturning the
FDA's approval of this abortion drug, which

584
00:43:55.719 --> 00:44:01.719
is the reasoning this is so the
merits of it are sort of interesting to

585
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:08.000
lawyers, which is, when can
a judge overrule the scientific judgment of an

586
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:14.199
agency. That's basically the legal question. Does a judge have to give deference

587
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:22.440
to technical and scientific judgments by the
executive branch agencies. It's interesting, I

588
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.000
think, as far as I know, this is the first time that the

589
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:29.199
federal courts, if this gets upheld
on appeal, this will be the first

590
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:35.480
time the federal courts have reversed the
FDA in saying some drug is approved for

591
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.440
sale. Usually the cases are the
reverse, where the FDA decides not to

592
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.519
approve a drug and then the pharmaceutical
company sues and says, no, it's

593
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.079
safe, you should approved it,
and so on. And also generally the

594
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:52.159
courts do differ to scientific judgment by
the agencies. So two points just about

595
00:44:52.159 --> 00:45:00.320
the merits. One is I think
this shows the loss of confidence that everybody

596
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.639
has in the federal government's public health
authorities. I think this is almost like

597
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:13.440
a natural follow on from doctor Fauci, doctor Burkes and the just terrible mess

598
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:19.000
they made and their claims to authority
during the whole COVID lockdown. I see

599
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.840
after that that it's just much more
likely that judges are going to be skeptical

600
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what these health science agencies tell us
anymore. So that's one. The second

601
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thing is part of this bigger fight
which we've talked about in the podcast before,

602
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:39.119
about the federal courts starting to reign
in the administrative state by questioning decisions

603
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:44.519
like this, by questioning the powers
that the agencies have, by questioning the

604
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.519
kind of deference that courts used to
provide to the agencies. So, just

605
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.239
to finish it up, there's another
court in Washington State that has issued a

606
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:59.800
conflicting order saying no, the FDA
must keep selling this abortion drug. There's

607
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:04.960
all so a criminal statute involved,
the Comstock Act, which makes it illegal

608
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.960
to mail drugs that are used for
abortions. That's in this case too.

609
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.719
But because you have two courts in
conflict here Texas, the other one in

610
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:21.360
Washington, unless the appeals courts harmonize
them, which I don't think will happen,

611
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:23.840
you'll have to go to the Supreme
Court. That's really the function of

612
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:29.119
the Supreme Court at it's basic level
is to make sure that federal laws uniform

613
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.440
throughout the country. But here's what
I wanted to get to wait, wait,

614
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.480
wait, wait, wait before you
go on, before I have a

615
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.000
question before you go on. So
I'm still a little confused. At what

616
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:45.719
how do I say? So this
judge in Texas actually claim to have better

617
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:52.840
scientific evidence for the harm caused by
he doesn't have to show that. All

618
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:58.039
ys to do is say that the
actual scientific judgments that were made by the

619
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.360
agency we're not well grounded, where
the legal phrases arbitrary and capricious. So

620
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:07.039
he's not obstituting his own scientific evidence
for that. All he has to do

621
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:13.119
is say the agency made a decision
without enough scientific proof. Okay, and

622
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.079
that's basically what it has said.
Stick in before you continue. Just one

623
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:22.519
break breaking news is late in the
day Friday here Alito issued. I guess

624
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.079
what a stay it was. The
judge had already stated and saying pending the

625
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.360
Supreme Court taking it up next Wednesday. I guess not. Now, are

626
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.599
they just gonna say it's going to
be the state? Are we going to

627
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.599
take the case, They're gonna make
a ruling. I'm not clear on exactly

628
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.559
what's next week. So what happened
is these were both trial the Washington and

629
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.800
Texas courts both trild judges. So
then you have these appeals courts above them.

630
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.920
In fact, Steve, yesterday you
interviewed Judge Baya, who's on the

631
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:54.000
Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which
oversees Washington State, famously liberal court.

632
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.679
I would be shocked if the Ninth
Circuit did not say, yes, you

633
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.639
must keep selling the abortion used to
be thanks to Trump. Yeah, that's

634
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.559
true, less liberal than they used
to be with still liberal court. And

635
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:12.719
the Fifth Circuit, which oversees Texas
as a famously conservative court even under our

636
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.880
mama, even under Clinton, it's
been a conservative court, and it's a

637
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:22.639
very conservative court now after Trump's appointments. And so what the Texas Appeals Court

638
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:29.599
here did it said, we are
going to stay the lower court decision as

639
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.679
the lower court judge himself did,
to give the Supreme Court the time to

640
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.039
decide whether to take it. And
so that's what Justice Alito today did.

641
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:42.800
He basically said, yes, we're
not going to put this decision overruling the

642
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.480
FDA into effect. We're going to
just leave the status quntact, which is

643
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:50.559
that the drug is for sale.
But the reason we're doing but the Supreme

644
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.280
Court will decide whether to take the
case I see in this time. So

645
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.440
they're not going to issue a decision
next week, but they will decide whether

646
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.199
to hear the case. Um,
and I gotta think that either this one

647
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.800
or the Washington State one, they're
going to take one of them, because,

648
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.239
uh, you know what we call
circuit split. That is the number

649
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.320
one predictor and when the Supreme Court
will hear cases. But it's not a

650
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.920
circuit split yet, is it until
it? Yeah, it's not yet,

651
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.000
but I think it will become one
pretty quickly. Okay, all right,

652
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.239
go ahead, Yeah, yeah.
So the parts of the case which I

653
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:29.599
think are prime, prime for the
three whiskey happy Hour are one. I

654
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:37.039
don't know if you've noticed, but
I saw AOC and other Democrats call for

655
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.840
the Biden administration to ignore, to
defy the Court's ruling in this case,

656
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.599
which and I'm sure she had no
idea she was doing this echode, I

657
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:54.320
think President Lincoln's. So that's the
first one, and then the second one

658
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.639
is I wanted together, I wanted
to get your guy's views on what the

659
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:04.280
natural law tell us about abortion.
But let's turn to the Lincoln then,

660
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.239
why why why isn't a why isn't
AOC. And again I have to say

661
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:13.639
she had no idea. Of course
she could cited or quoted Lincoln. Maybe

662
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.000
she would never quote Lincoln because she
thinks Lincoln was a bad fellow. But

663
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:22.440
are you is her view really that
different from Lincoln's saying no and yes dred

664
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:27.719
Scott outside of it was the facts
of dred Scott itself hers as much.

665
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.559
Ah, well, there you put
the qualifier. Look, she's much closer

666
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:35.119
than Andrew Jackson than Lincoln. Um. Lincoln said that the decision that case

667
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.360
must be binding on the parties to
that case. That's not even close to

668
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:42.719
the neighborhood of what AOC said.
She just said the Biden administration the state

669
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.519
should defy the court and continue selling
the pill. Uh. I suppose I

670
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:52.760
was AOC's legal advisor. And let
me tell you that as I said that,

671
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:59.679
I felt the sickness in what if? What if she had said,

672
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:06.880
I think that the Biden administration should
keep selling abortion pills everywhere throughout the country

673
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.400
except in the little part of Texas
where this tild judge happens to be sitting.

674
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.679
So I'll listen to him in that
little part of Texas. But I

675
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.840
will continue to interpret the laws and
the Constitution, as you know, as

676
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.599
I, as President Biden see fit
for the rest of the country. But

677
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:28.400
so, first of all, the
dread Scott case was not a district court

678
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.719
judge making a ruling. It was
a Supreme Court making a ruling for the

679
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:37.119
entire country. Now, I don't
know how we get you already pointed out

680
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.079
there are two different rulings in this
case. She could just say you should

681
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:45.119
listen to the guy to the court
in Washington and not the court in Texas.

682
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:50.000
But that's not what she said.
She basically said, whatever the courts

683
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.199
decide, if it decides against the
way we want it, you should ignore

684
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:57.239
it, just like some people have
said they should do about the Dabs decision.

685
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:05.960
And it's just it's it's the most
corrupt kind of judicial politics. We

686
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.679
will listen to and celebrate and praise
and follow the decisions of the courts that

687
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:16.239
we like, and we will refuse
to enforce the decisions that we don't like,

688
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:22.840
which means, of course, there's
no there's no judicial decision making that

689
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:29.400
even matters anymore. If that became
the standard practice what Lincoln called for,

690
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:34.480
because he said the decision was wrong. Understand, he said the decision was

691
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.559
wrong on a natural law basis,
John, And we won't go into all

692
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:44.519
of that right now. The decision
was wrong, but he didn't say we

693
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:51.480
ignore the decision. What he said
was when the South claims that there is

694
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:59.159
an absolute constitutional right to take your
slaves into wherever you want to go,

695
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:05.119
against positive law, against the Constitution, against you know, really important statutory

696
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:09.840
law passed by Congress, that maybe
we should have a discussion about this.

697
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:15.360
Why should this, why should this
apply everywhere when the court is wrong,

698
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:21.079
and if the court can be wrong
and make policy for the entire country,

699
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.960
Um, aren't we just sort of
turning everything over instead of having a republic

700
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.119
to a bunch of to a tribunal
of tyrants. That was his point.

701
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.800
And it's an entree. I mean, I'm giving her more credit than she's

702
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.199
due. Of course, yes you
are. If she were a deep thinker

703
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:45.440
future president someday, wouldn't she make
some of the same arguments you just said

704
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.760
Lincoln made. You know, she
could say, look, abortion is this

705
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:54.320
difficult problem, and we have to
have a national policy. We can't let

706
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:58.719
this single district judge in the mill
Texas. Who oh, you know,

707
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.239
and then she could have said,
who's you know, part of this you

708
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.000
know pro life crowd that he's been
part of his whole career, and you

709
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.039
know, is put in on the
courts by Trump for exactly this purpose.

710
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.199
You know, I dissent from his
view of the law in fact, because

711
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.559
she could say, I think quite
wrongly. You know, the courts have

712
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.840
not acted this way towards the FDA
before, and he's breaking lots of traditions

713
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:21.719
and precedents in the court. Why
should we listen to him at all?

714
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.679
All the courts have his judgment,
right, they have. I might be

715
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:28.760
inclined to agree about that for district
court judges. But anyway, go on,

716
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:32.119
Steve, Well, uh, if
we had more time, I didn't

717
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:35.119
have to go soon, John,
If we had more time, I think

718
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.679
I might want to revisit your former
boss or and Hatch wanting the FDA to

719
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.960
have authority to regulate vitamins and supplements, which they didn't. Right, there

720
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.039
was that old question believe that sides. I think that that thing actually kind

721
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:50.920
of comes back in this a little
bit. But but your more serious question,

722
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.599
which is you just gave AOC way
more credit in this sense, she

723
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:59.159
won't make any of those arguments because
it has to acknowledge that there is another

724
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:01.480
side of the issue, and the
left when it comes to abortion, simply

725
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.480
refuses to do so. Right,
think about how they talk about this issue.

726
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.840
It's an absolute right of women.
They talk about women's healthcare. That's

727
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:15.360
the euphemism they use about it.
Right, And so it would evolve too

728
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.440
great a concession to say we need
to channel Lincoln's arguments, say we need

729
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.400
to have extended argument about how this
country thinks about abortion. It would have

730
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:29.119
to acknowledge that there's another another current
of opinion widely held in America that has

731
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.000
some you know, rational or even
religious basis. I don't care which basis

732
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:36.599
you pick, and they won't do
that. It's a matter of absolutism.

733
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.320
So then that gets to the question
that you raised, which will charge into

734
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:45.239
since you've got to go quickly,
there is uh somewhere, there's the Venn

735
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.880
diagram. Here where the natural law
line there? You sorry, go ahead,

736
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.960
and I know I wasn't. I
mean, there isn't a single natural

737
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:00.559
law perspective on the abortion question.
There's there's several that we can grab one

738
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.119
or two of them. But second
in intersects with the to my mind,

739
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:10.800
astonishing Republican incompetence about talking about this
issue that you've had the flashing yellow lights

740
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:14.920
since the leak of the job's opinion, what well over a year ago,

741
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:19.639
now that this was coming, and
so right now the U and I think

742
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.039
you wanted to bring us up,
John right now. Governor to Santis yesterday

743
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:29.159
signed the essentially feel Heartbeat Bill says
no abortions with some exceptions after six weeks.

744
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:30.880
That's when you detect a heartbeat.
And people are saying, oh,

745
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.760
that polls badly. It's a political
mistake. That may be true and for

746
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:39.840
practical, superficial terms, but I
don't know why any Republican thinks they're not

747
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:45.000
going to lose if they have nothing
to say about the issue right point.

748
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:50.199
And I think that, you know, I think different adherents of natural law

749
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.400
will give you an answer saying,
well, six weeks might be acceptable.

750
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.119
It could be you know, the
old moment of quickening from you know,

751
00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:00.719
ancient Catholic doctrine, or it could
be the moment of conception, which Christopher

752
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.840
Hitchins, not a religious man,
used to say, that's the only logical

753
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.880
place that you can say life begins. Okay, so so well, may

754
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.719
let me just finish on that and
say, uh, you have to least

755
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.519
pick one of those, and I
don't have to pick one arbitrarily, but

756
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.639
the point is you've got to least
pick that spectrum and point out that AOC's

757
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:25.400
position is extreme and it does not
reflect majority of public opinion precisely. But

758
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.599
unless you compete for that confused middle
of public opinion, you are going to

759
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.480
lose politically on this. And that's
the point that unless you compete for that,

760
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:39.800
and and Republicans are notoriously howardly for
for doing that. Many many years

761
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.960
ago, when I still lived in
California, a friend of mine was running

762
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:53.320
for Congress and he had a as
a Republican, had a chief of staff

763
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:58.880
who was liberal, pretty liberal,
and a campaign manager who was very conservative.

764
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:04.800
Passed out some literature with what a
baby looks Like aborted at twenty weeks

765
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:12.960
and it caused this huge rucus in
his campaign. He ended up losing because

766
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.760
everybody quit. It was this ugly
situation. Same thing happened yesterday on my

767
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:25.559
on my at my university, some
anti abortion student protesters had very even about

768
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:32.000
the abortion pill, very graphic chart
pictures of what abortion actually looks like.

769
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:37.119
You know, what a what a
fetus at this period of time looks like,

770
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:42.559
and what happens And I mean it
triggered, and I mean that,

771
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.960
you know, as the left means
it. I mean it was, it

772
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.559
got ugly, the police. I
won't even go into all the details,

773
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:53.320
but the point is is that if
you actually present to that squishy middle you

774
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:59.760
were talking about, Steve, what
abortion really entails and how it really is

775
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:09.000
being promulgated by Planned Parenthood and others. Remember how hard Planned Parenthood worked to

776
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:15.239
squash the stories about how they were
selling baby parts. Yeah, because they

777
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.199
know that most people, most people, not all people, but most people

778
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.440
are you know, if they knew
the full facts of the matter, would

779
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.639
be horrified. They get through this
because the left has been really good at

780
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.960
controlling the terms of the debate that
you know, pro choice, what a

781
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:38.000
euphemism, horrible euphemism, a clump
of cells, etc. Etc. Women's

782
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:42.679
health, And they use all those
euphemisms to hide the fact that they're killing

783
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:50.199
an unborn child for in many cases, the convenience of the mother or less

784
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:57.920
important than the convenience of the mother. If that's possible. Weller point I

785
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.239
wanted to exit unfortunate, I have
to go with this question about natural law.

786
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:08.079
So if natural law is and here's
in all of us, because of

787
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:13.920
we're all human, does it mean
that natural law should be apparent to everybody?

788
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:19.159
So that's what I wonder about when
natural law says ay, and then

789
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:24.679
public polling shows by huge numbers,
right, huge numbers, that people generally

790
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:30.480
support the framework of the timing of
restrictions that were upheld by Row. You

791
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:37.280
know, people seem to say by
large numbers that abortion should be allowed relatively

792
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:44.800
freely until viability, so until about
twenty two weeks twenty three weeks about and

793
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:49.480
then after that point there in favor
of you know, stronger state restrictions on

794
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.599
abortion. What if that that my
sense from what you guys have said in

795
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:59.880
the past podcasts, that natural law
seems to point to somewhere around the time

796
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:06.440
of conception now as the point of
when life begins or natural rights adhere to

797
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:13.480
the fetus. How do you reconcile
when natural rights say A and then people

798
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:19.079
large number, you know, like
a supermajority almost if people believes be does

799
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.400
that not undermine the basis for natural
right because it's so you shouldn't sort of

800
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:27.880
arise from the understanding that we all
have just as human beings. So with

801
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.320
that little tidbit, I'm out of
here, dude. Next time, John,

802
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.719
we'll take it up. I'll remember, and you can discuss and I'll

803
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.559
listen. I'll listen to the podcast. Now we can. We can say

804
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:42.880
at the beginning next podcast, I
remain unconvinced. Yeah, Now, we'll

805
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:49.039
convention next week. If if what
made right and wrong right and wrong was

806
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:54.239
consensus, it would be just like
anything else in nature. If it was

807
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:59.960
a consensus that there was by ninety
seven percent of the scientists that climate change

808
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:04.880
is an existential threat, that doesn't
make it true. Natural law does not

809
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.599
require your consent. I'm sorry,
John, And it doesn't require the majority's

810
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:13.760
consent. This is not like a
science question like I'm not saying yes,

811
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:16.719
it is what if two thirds believed
that? No, No, it's a

812
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:20.960
question like what if two thirds I'm
not saying, oh if two thirds thought

813
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.480
that you know, the earth or
flat kind of thing. It's more it's

814
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:27.960
a question of morality, or it's
a question of what you think is good

815
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.760
and true and right and shouldn't that
arise out of human nature? If human

816
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:37.519
if natural law were the foundation,
natural law was correct, it does really

817
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.159
arise out of human nature. But
as we discussed last time, the evolution

818
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:45.559
of human conscience is necessary to understand
that. I mean, we look to

819
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:50.480
Aristotle to know what human nature teaches
us about how humans ought to behave,

820
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:53.119
how they should be habituated, what
kind of society they should live in.

821
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.239
But it's not an absolute answer,
no, But it's more like supermajorities of

822
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:02.559
human beings in the United States have
this moral sense, not making factual judgment

823
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:08.639
a moral judgment that abortion is okay
until viability. Actually, I think that,

824
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.440
I mean, I have gotten way
in the surveys on this, and

825
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.920
I've never seen an issue with a
wider variation of results depending on how depressions

826
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:21.039
is presented and how hard you make
people think about it. I think there's

827
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:22.840
a there's a saying. I think
there's a squishy middle that's all over the

828
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:29.320
map and therefore susceptible persuasion, which
they're not getting right now, at least

829
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:30.920
from you know, the pro life
side very well. So let's return this

830
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.639
next week because I'm with appreciate truth
does not depend on the number of people

831
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:42.440
it convinces for it to be true. Practice is just like physics. Seriously,

832
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:46.519
John, don't necessarily separate those two
for now. We don't. I'll

833
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:51.000
just say this planet is okay.
Unfortunately I have to separate myself from you

834
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:58.079
guys. Now we're going to abort
the microphone could rest? All right,

835
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.360
we will, we will, all
right? What do you got to get

836
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:11.000
us out of here today? Well? Um, I couldn't even decide on

837
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:15.000
a stupid person of the week,
Steve m It was there were so many

838
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:18.079
options. I really did want to
talk, and I'm gonna do so very

839
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:23.599
briefly about the intelligence leap. I'm
going to call the student rapid person of

840
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:29.159
the week the media. Oh well, that's always easy, Shirt, I

841
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.119
know, I know, but in
this case, I have a very specific

842
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:38.519
complaint. So they found the leaker
of those intelligence documents. Okay, and

843
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:44.400
it's a twenty one year old kid, I said, a gamer who you

844
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.599
know? He All he did was
he was kind of showing off for his

845
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:50.679
friends. Maybe he's a little bit
conservative like me, thinks the whole Ukraine

846
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:55.480
mess is a disaster, et cetera, et cetera. But he wasn't trying

847
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.599
to commit treason, and he was
probably a dumb kid. He had accesses

848
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:03.320
in this cool blah blah blah,
okay whatever, but they have turned him

849
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:09.119
into the worst kind of monster.
But my point is this, if you

850
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:15.519
pay attention to what those intelligence documents
that were leaked actually say, it undermines

851
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:21.480
everything that the Biden administration has been
saying about their foreign policy, especially with

852
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:28.440
but not only especially with respect to
the Ukrainian War. Ukraine is losing badly.

853
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.599
Russia, I wish John were still
here, has not had two hundred

854
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:36.599
thousand casualties. They've had approximately,
as of about a month ago, seventy

855
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:43.039
one thousand, which is about equal
to what Ukraine has lost. Ukraine has

856
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:47.719
no more ability without massive influx from
the United States to even carry on this

857
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:57.239
fight. All of that is from
documents that came out clearly in in these

858
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.880
League documents. The first thing the
Biden ministration did, by the way,

859
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.159
it was say that, oh,
well, yeah, this is all leak

860
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:06.400
But it's really the Russians who have
gone in there and changed what they say

861
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:12.239
to commit a disinformation campaign that was
earlier this week Monday, Tuesday of this

862
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:16.119
week. Now of course that story's
gone because they've identified the leaker. But

863
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.360
all of the focus is on the
leaker, and you've got not one media

864
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:27.320
person, mainstream media person, asking
why why Lloyd Austin isn't in jail for

865
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:32.599
lying to Congress? Why we are
not impeaching Biden? Is an entire administration

866
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:36.880
for the lies they've been telling us
about Ukraine, not one person, they're

867
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.519
all. I mean, I turned
on the radio, you know, I

868
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.679
try to get up with the news
when I'm driving get ready for our podcast.

869
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:45.920
I had to turn it off because
it made me sick. It was

870
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:54.199
the parents of this guy to share
a and what they thought, and everything

871
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.119
is going to be concentrated on this
poor twenty one year old kid, who

872
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:02.719
is certainly no more guilty than Biden
is for having classified documents unsecured abouts,

873
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:10.800
right, I mean Hillary Clinton?
Whatever? Yeah, I mean foolish,

874
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.440
I can't. Well, actually,
let's get right to the central matter you

875
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:18.559
bring up, which is why is
this not more of a scandal that assuming

876
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:23.360
the documents are all accurate, which
I looked increasingly like they are. I

877
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:29.920
was very skeptical at first because who
knows, but the parallel case kind of

878
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.639
it's bigger. But it's the Pentagon
papers. The Pentagon papers completely upended our

879
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:39.320
understanding of the Vietnam War. Huge
embarrassment, big scandal. And of course

880
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:42.280
the media loved it because they had
bought in the narrative that this was a

881
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.079
terrible, oppressive war and we were
horrible, and boy, this just proves

882
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:48.679
it. And Daniel Elsberg, the
leaker, was a hero. So and

883
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:53.239
by the way, during the Iraq
War, you remember, the left loved

884
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.280
who was Snowden right, the Wiki
leagues, all that stuff, and Julie

885
01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.920
the song there's a hero of the
left. And I started, yeah,

886
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:06.079
right, right right, pointing out
that our government, yeah, that's right,

887
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:09.559
and now I know that change,
but but remember at the time how

888
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:12.559
good. The point here is is
that you know, our media, our

889
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:18.119
elites, are invested in the pro
Ukraine narrative, and therefore these documents that

890
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:21.359
say, hey, by the way, I'm going to take this up with

891
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:26.760
our you know, our mutual friend
we talked to every week or two,

892
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:30.960
who was you know, telling us
here three four or five weeks ago,

893
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.039
Oh, Ukraine, they're gonna push
the Russians out. And I kept saying,

894
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:35.760
what if they I'm not sure they're
gonna do that. What if they

895
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:39.359
don't, Oh, it's gonna happen. You know who I'm talking about in

896
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:43.399
personally love. But I think you
know, we've been buying this narrative that

897
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:45.960
you know, yeah, maybe it's
a stalemate. But boy, those plucky

898
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.760
Ukrainians and how we're saying, wait, they're short on ammunition. By the

899
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.640
way, the contrary case could be
made. This shows that we're not giving

900
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:59.760
them enough to actually everything right.
You might remember when we had our big

901
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:02.840
messy one about Ukraine, the first
one we had with John, and John

902
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:10.239
took Ukraine's side. I insisted,
I insisted that there were special forces.

903
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:17.159
This morning in my official briefing from
the Army, three stories about how how

904
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:23.399
special forces have been staged out of
the Ukrainian embassy, how special forces have

905
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:29.560
been in Ukraine four months, And
that came from the leaked documents. Right,

906
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.279
So we've been lied to. And
I don't blame someone like our friend,

907
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:41.520
because why would you not believe Why
would you think that the Biden administration

908
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:45.960
would be so bald faced lying about
something that could easily be proven to be

909
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.840
false. Yeah, why would you
think that, except that you know that

910
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:58.279
we just don't have enough I mean
on the right, the media sources on

911
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.720
the right. These stories been out
there for a long time. It didn't

912
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:04.159
take the intelligence documents to leak this
up, but nobody would take them seriously.

913
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:09.119
You know, Douglas mcgreg not Douglas
McGregor, is that his first name,

914
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:15.039
Colonel McGregor, who's retired. He's
been he's been cataloging all of the

915
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:21.439
movements of special forces and American troops
in Ukraine and talking about how Russia is

916
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:28.039
not being pushed back, talking about
what's the place Russia's taken over? There

917
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:31.920
now building apartments for Russians to move
into, and in the Crimea, and

918
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.359
it's just on and on and on
with with proof. But people don't take

919
01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:41.800
those people seriously because the mainstream media
denies that any of that's true, and

920
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.279
lots of our friends believe it's still
they still can't wrap their head around the

921
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:49.840
fact that we're being lied to.
Yeah, I mean, look, I

922
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:53.880
think some of the people who ought
to be the angriest are the pro Ukraine

923
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:58.960
people, right, because really this
shows this kind of a shambles. The

924
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:03.239
pro Ukraine people is a scam anyway, who how are you pro Ukraine,

925
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.439
for God's sakes, Who are the
well all right, worse about that?

926
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:13.119
Well, uh no, what I
mean is the people who think that who

927
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.239
look, I mean, I'm at
least halfway sympathetics is saying I'd rather Ukraine

928
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:26.159
prevailed than the Russians prevail, um
without necessarily saying that we'll defending all the

929
01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:28.840
problems of the regime that you point
out and so forth, and not to

930
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:30.880
mention you know, my heart goes
out and we didn't even get to it.

931
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.479
I didn't even put on my list
because I knew we wouldn't get to

932
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:40.159
it. But the only people were
set prosecuting Christians um right now than our

933
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:45.760
own FBI Justice Department is the Ukraine, which is shutting down Russian Orthodox churches

934
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:53.000
and terrorizing Russian Orthodox Christians all over
Ukraine. I mean, it's it's it's

935
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:58.119
all abysmal. And we're just the
fact that we're being lied to about COVID,

936
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:01.840
We're being lied to about Hunter,
or being lied to about everything.

937
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:09.680
And instead of the media supposed journalists
coming up and saying to Kirby or you

938
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:15.680
know, or um Gene mop Head
Pierre, whatever name is, that you

939
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:19.119
know, why why didn't you tell
us the truth? Why is Lloyd Austin

940
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:24.119
going before Congress and lying day after
day? Oh? What are you going

941
01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:29.319
to do about cleaning up the security? Last? Do you expect the media

942
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:32.560
to do its job? Right?
Sorry? But how sad is it that

943
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:35.760
that's where we are? Steve?
You're a journalist, You are a journalist

944
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:41.680
for years. Would you have not
done a story because it reflected badly upon

945
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:46.880
your political party or your ideological friends? Yeah? No, of course,

946
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:51.439
not especially about something that's important.
Yeah, you know, a little bit

947
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:57.800
of integrity would go a long way
here, folks. And so do you

948
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.359
don't happen to have a camelism since
John desserted us? Right? No,

949
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.399
no, I don't. I mean
she's been she's been muzzling again here lately.

950
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:10.000
So we may have improvised this week
on something else. I know.

951
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.680
I've got my I've got a couple
of Babylon bees. Um. So the

952
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:18.359
first one is the Pentagon leaker kicking
himself for not just leaving classified documents thrown

953
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:28.520
around his garage? Right? And
uh, girl too young for tattoo offered

954
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:35.560
irreversible gender surgery. All these are
going to be true in six months,

955
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:41.199
right, It's uh as we And
then this one's a little bit of a

956
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:43.840
little bit off topic, but I'll
throw it out there anyway because it's kind

957
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:47.399
of funny. Why don't more people
use public transit? Ask naked hobo on

958
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:55.600
subway? Okay, so you got
to send us out? You haven't done

959
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:58.000
it in a long time, Steve, I haven't. I'm very rusty,

960
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.560
all right, How you can do
it though? Always drink your whiskey,

961
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:04.479
neat, don't forget to milk the
soft power dividend. And what am I

962
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:11.640
leaving out? I don't two words
for you. Oh, let's go brand.

963
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:16.479
That's right, okay, by bye
everybody. Next week we'll take up.

964
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:19.640
But we're gonna beat up John for
his Hobbes presentation, which we've now

965
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:23.680
both watched and of course it's effective, so we're gonna beat him up next

966
01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:27.119
week and do that. Okay,
next week, Bye bye bye everyone,

967
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:35.840
Maybe some I don't go back again. Who Ireland and my dear old life

968
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:46.359
only pass away? She nearly has
my heart broke with her nag and he's

969
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:59.479
got a mouth as big as goll
So you're drinking sixteen points of Pop's blue

970
01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:08.119
ribbon commercial and then she can walk
home without a sway. If the sea

971
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:15.159
was beer instead of salty water,
she will live and dyeing all living.

972
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:25.279
See here drinking sixteen pints at Pat
Joe Murphys. Thembarment says, I think

973
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:30.920
it's time to go. Well,
She doesn't way to speak to him,

974
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:40.239
and gaily in a language that the
clergy do not. More, on her

975
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:45.600
back she has tattooed the map of
Ireland, and when she takes her bathroom

976
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:55.439
Saturday she rubs the sunlight soaper wrong. By Cladda just to watch the sun's

977
01:15:55.479 --> 01:16:06.439
float along by Ricochet joined the conversation