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I hate the word routine because it's
the wrong word for what we do.

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It's more process. It's something that's
intentional. It's something that's like not involuntary

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at all. It's voluntary, and
I'm keeping track of it as long as

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I go, and at the end
of the shot, I actually judge the

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way that shot went based on how
the routine was in the process, not

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on where the ball went. And
if I'm good about the process, then

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I know that by the time night
ball's gone, I'm still fully engaged.

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But when I'm voluntarily engaged in the
process along the way and then a thought

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comes in, like a doubt or
the wind changes or something like that,

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it's real easy to catch when you're
about to hit that anyway shot. So

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that's how I kind of keep myself
honest and try to minimize those shots.

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And it's still really difficult for everybody
to do that, But if you can

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keep it to a minimum, and
you're gonna probably beat half the field just

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from that. Hi, this is
Aldo Maddie from Castro Valley, California,

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and I play at Monarch Bay with
another Golf Smarter ambassador, Gen Shaw.

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This is Golf Smarter number eight hundred. Stewart said. Six PGA Tour winners

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reveal their medal game struggles with Kerrie
Valentine at the Sony O. This is

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Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips
and insights from great golf minds to help

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you lower your score and raise your
golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred

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Green. Welcome back to the Golf
Smarter podcast. Kerry, Aloha, Fred.

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It is wonderful to be here as
always, and it's an honor you

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are rocking this world with Golf Podcast. So thank you for having me on

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again. Yeah yeah, yeah,
okay, So welcome back, Aloha.

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It's great to have you because each
year now for what is this the fourth

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or fifth year that we've done this
like that. Yes, yeah. So

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you go out to the Sony Open
when the PGA Tour comes to town,

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and you bring a little recorder with
you and you're there it's practice day.

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It's they're out on the range,
they're in the putting greens, and you

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stick a microphone in their face and
ask them questions about it's unique questions which

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I love about their mental game.
Yes, it is. Um it's a

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blast for me to and and and
and it's kind of like I'm I'm you

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know, I'm pinching myself as I'm
interviewing these guys because, um, I

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mean a lot of these guys are
just amazing. They're amazing golfers and really

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cool people and uh you know,
yeah, yeah people, and you know

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they're for you know, I would
say for the very most of them.

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They they're very free with their time
with me. You know, they you

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know, we may have short kind
of moments, but they're very present and

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they're, um, they answer the
questions straight on, which is really cool.

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Yeah. I did get that sense
that they listen to your question and

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they respond to your question. Um. It's fascinating because they do seem very

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present at least the answers that you
gave. Now you interviewed six different people

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that you provided me information on.
We have uh JJ Spawn, Jerry Kelly,

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Joseph Bramlett, kJ Choi, Aaron
Rye, and Stewart Sink. And

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Stewart Sink gave you a lot of
time. You did over thirty minutes with

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him. But what we're gonna do
is we're gonna we're gonna go bits and

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pieces here. And I think Stewart
Sink the most notable name, the most

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recognizable name to golfers, and he
had so much to share. We're gonna

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just pick it up right now.
We'll start with Stewart Sink and he you

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knew about this an anyway shot?
Yes, Uh, Stewart and I have

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talked quite a bit over the years, and so I've in a previous interview

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he talked to me about these anyway
shots. So that's why I asked about

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him in this interview. Yeah,
so you brought it up and he responded.

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So let's go right now to Steward
Sink at the Sony Open twenty twenty

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three with Carrie Valentine and this is
on the anyway shot. Ever since I

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learned about the anyway shot philosophy.
That was from a guy named Preston Waddington

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back about twenty years ago when I
used to talk to him, and it

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just it crystallized in my mind that
you know, that's basically hitting a shot

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when you're distracted, or when you're
having a doubt or or a second thought

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or something, anytime you're not really
fully engaged to execute, it's an anyway

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shot. Oh, because grandiosity tells
you, like, I'm good enough to

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hit this anyway. You know,
it's still gonna turn out good because I'm

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talented, I've practiced, everything will
be okay, you know whatever. Those

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are fine philosophies, but they're not
very professional philosophies, and so one of

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my goals for long time now has
been to avoid those anyway shots. And

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I found it more and more challenging
over the years because as I'm getting close

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to fifty now through fifty in May
of this year, that my focus is

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just not as strong and sharp as
it used to be, nor do I

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have the longevity of focus that I
used to do. So I have to

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really manage my energy, and part
of that conservation of energy leads to a

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better chance to be having less anyway
shots, because it's all about recognition,

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you know, and I'm pretty good
usually at understanding the way my body signals

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are are flashing, and if I'm
fatigue or if i'm you know, if

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I'm just I don't ever feel physically
tired, but if I'm mentally just a

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little bit like washed from too much
the day before or from a lot of

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weeks in a row of being in
contingent, then I don't recognize any way

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shots as well, and those hurt
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kind of almost kind of recognize it
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that you're learning or mastering that,
or do you also share that with

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your caddy, like if you see
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you even say a clue like to
help your caddy keep you on focus?

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Well, I don't really, I've
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me do this. The reason for
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leading up the shot is imperceptible to
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It all happens between the ears and
the way I. The way I would

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do it is more like before the
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intentionality, and I like to tell
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watch this kind of a way,
like I'm about to show off. And

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it's there's a fine line between like
arrogance and confidence. I mean, yeah,

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arrogance is something you have to have
to be able to compete out here,

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but it's not something you need to
display outwardly. You know. I

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don't want to be an arrogant,
you know what. But at the same

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time, I do want to be
an arrogant, you know what, when

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it comes to hitting my drive on
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up and down on the last green
or whatever, arrogance is key. So

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I like to state my intentions what
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actually say it out loud, so
that number one, it keeps me accountable.

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My caddy knows that I'm into the
shot. And then the actual routine

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itself is something that's not just I
hate the word routine because it's the wrong

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word for what we do. It's
more process. It's something that's intentional and

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something that's like not involuntary at all. It's voluntary, and I'm keeping track

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of it as long as I go, and at the end of the shot,

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I actually judge the way that shot
went based on how the routine was

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in the process, not on where
the ball went. And if I'm good

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about the process, then I know
that by the time that ball's gone that

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I'm still fully engaged. But when
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and then a thought comes in,
like a doubt or the wind changes or

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something like that, it's real easy
to catch when you're about to hit that

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any way shot. So that's that's
how I kind of keep myself honest and

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try to minimize those shots. And
you know, it's still really difficult for

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everybody to do that, but if
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you're gonna probably beat half the field
just from that. Is that is that

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kind of anchor or that intention,
that affirmation that you do. Is that

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something you could share? You know, what you say to yourself before you

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You mean, like the when I
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no, it's it's not always the
same. It's about the shot. It's

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like I'm I'm gonna take five yards
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to write at that bush. You
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like I like this bush. He
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you know, behind the green.
We always pick out targets, very

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rarely flatstick. Almost always something behind
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But I'll just verbally state my intentions
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shot, and it's usually like I'm
taking up you know, it's a full

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six right at that bush, or
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a low punch right at the left
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that's the kind of thing I'm doing. Yes, and then from that point

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on it it's up to me to
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shot. And then we'll spend a
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WHOA, that played a lot longer
than I thought, or oh, you

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know, I was a little distracted
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so that's an anyway shot. And
so but we try not to linger too

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much on the judgment. We try
to really try to create a non judgment

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or a judgment free zone out there. So much for all of us to

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learn from everything he just said.
Correct, Yes, Oh, I mean

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there were so many things that were
just so valuable. That's why I wanted

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to kick it off with that,
because your intention when you're talking to these

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guys, you want to talk about
the mental game because of what you do,

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but you also get into religion,
which we'll do that with Stewart Sink

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later on and some of the other
players that you talked to. Fascinating that

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you also were aware that his son
was his caddy last year, not doing

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it this year. Yeah, but
you talk to him a lot about his

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son being his caddy. I'm just
gonna go right to it. Is a

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son's name is Reagan. And here's
what he had to say. Curious about

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your relationship with you know, Reagan
in terms of him being your caddy and

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like, because he knows you so
well, did he also like kind of

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know how to manage you on the
course and even beyond the course after to

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help you, you know, because
it seemed like you guys had such great

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success together. We did, and
I think he can point to a couple

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of things. So the second part
of your question, how did he manage

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me? And did he understand how
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that he probably didn't know how to
do until we started getting into the tournaments,

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because he's seen me play a lot
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I've seen him play a lot.
You know, we play together at home

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quite often, especially during COVID,
but he's never seen like the nervous and

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the under pressure side of me as
much because at home, I'm pretty relaxed,

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and I can you know, when
you're in that relaxed state, you

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can pretty much do what you want
to do with the golf ball, and

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out here, you know, you
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you psychologically and emotionally, and it's
a little different ballgame. And I don't

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think there's one player that's competing in
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So Reagan learned how to deal with
that golfer as we went. Now,

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going back to the first part,
what was it about, you know,

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our relationship and how it turned into
a good, successful partnership out here,

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I think the biggest things is that
two components of any relationship got immediately

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wiped off the table, and that
was judgment and conflict. I've obviously known

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Reagan since before he was born,
and likewise since he was born, he's

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known me, so we had this
inherent trust for each other in relationship.

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And he's a bright kid, and
he knows golf really well. His golf

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IQ on the courses like elite like
a tour player. Now he can't quite

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play golf like a tour player,
but he knows the way the ball is

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going to bounce and react in the
wind and all that stuff. He's excellent

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attack, very high IQ for golf
sou and knowing that I trusted him with

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his decision making and he always dis
trusted me with mine. In fact,

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he learned a lot about how to
play different shots and how to read lies

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and how to you know, strategize
on the course from me from playing with

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me. So it was a lot
like having a little bit of myself out

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there Caddy. And but the unconditional
love that comes along with the father and

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son relationship and a good, healthy
relationship like ours, that really did away

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with any of the judgment and the
conflict that can be present with other caddy

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player relationships. I mean, it's
just a normal part of any two human

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beings being in a relationship. But
with him and I, that part of

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it was not a factor, And
because it wasn't a factor, it ended

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up being a huge factor, you
know, in our success. Is there

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things that you've taken from that relationship, that experience and maybe like was you

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hadn't had that before with a caddy. You go, oh my gosh.

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As they go forward, I'm gonna
make sure we talk about this or that

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Caddy holds me up to this kind
of standard or things. One thing that

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I learned with Reagan myself was that
I was really open and free to talk

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to him and tell them how I
was feeling and tell them if I was

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afraid, or tell them if I
was confident, or you know anything.

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Sometimes we hide behind those things,
and so with Reagan, I was never

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afraid to tell them how it felt. And I felt like that was a

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really good a good takeaway for me
that being outwardly verbal. You know,

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I can't remember where I got the
quote, but someone told me that.

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Abraham Lincoln one time said a problem
shared as a problem halved. That's a

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great quote. And I just always
felt like if I was feeling weird about

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a shot, or if I was
having some indecision, it was always best

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to get it out there and say
something, and the problems halved, you

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know. And it just felt like
a good thing to do. And there's

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nothing new. I think a lot
of players use that tactic, but I

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learned that about myself with Reagan,
and so I've definitely kind of vowed to

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keep that going now that I've got
Scott satch Night worded woman, and I

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agree with you on that idea of
problems shared is half and I think it

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depends on the individual with their their
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just say stuff, but I think
the way you are and the deep thinker,

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and especially I'm just assuming like with
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leave. I'd imagine some of the
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sharing it. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. It just you can say

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the same sentence in two very slightly
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Like let's say I was guiding for
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yards we have on this one,
part three is a perfect set. And

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I could either say this is the
perfect club and give you the confidence to

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go and you know, like,
well I can be free on this and

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this is the perfect club. Or
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solid, it should be perfect.
What does that tell you? Because that

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tells me don't not hit solid right, And the last thing you want to

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be thinking about on the golf shot
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said the same thing, and if
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they'd probably say, well, there's
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that translates into the way a player
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and a lot of shots and a
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decidedly not. If just it all
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make four or five six shots difference
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being in contention for winning in thirtieth
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you, but if you would have
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was your caddy, I would I'm
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imagine being my caddy. That was
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it's so profound because of their relationship. I think that was really a big

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part of how Stewart was able to
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was two years ago, and just
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very aware of those emotions and those
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his relationship with Reagan to really work
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that was a big plus for his
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It's incredible that he would have that
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said, open and free relationship of
conversation with your son and not you know,

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and let your son get your two
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know, suggestions and criticism and being
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impressive. I agree. I agree, and it worked to be a great,

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great pairing. Yeah, remarkable.
All right, let's take a time

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out. We'll be back. We've
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Joseph Bramlett, kJ CHOI after the
break. So Karrie, before we

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get back into some more of these
amazing interviews that you've done and shared with

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us, and I really appreciate I
don't know what else you're doing with them,

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but I really appreciate you letting us
have them here because most interviews that

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are done with these guys don't talk
about the mental game, and this is

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such a treat to be able to
have this kind of insight into what a

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tour player goes through and helps us
to recognize that they really have a lot

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of the same issues that we do
out there. It's incredible, right Fred,

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the you know, the from the
guys that I coach from you know,

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amateur level to semi pro to pro
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guys, you go they're going through
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to talk about and deal with it
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it. It's kind of fascinating.
Tell me about JJ spond JJ. JJ

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is so cool. I had a
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his first year coming out, you
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and so we chatted from that point
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similar kind of friendly relationship that I've
had with Stuart Sink. So it's just

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been great to talk with JJ over
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his his ability and his championship qualities
come out and it's and just like

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Howie has shared with me over the
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each level, you know, from
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different different nuances with each but JJ
is it's just he wears it on his

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shirt, you know. It's like
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he's a really cool guy. Awesome. Well, but another back and forth

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conversation that you had with him talking
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here it is, JJ spawn.
My initial goal is to win again and

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to put myself in contention really to
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that's that's the process I can really
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when I'm in contention, I can
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kind of doing a good you know, we're off to a good start and

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we're doing the right things. So
I'm just trying to stick to what I've

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been doing the last year year and
a half now that's been working out nicely

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for me. When you went at
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you felt like you're in the zone, like something different was happening. And

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if so, I mean you you
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it, and you hear other people
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it's it's a weird kind of flow. I want to say that you can't

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really force because you would love to
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I think the thing that I noticed
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had when I was in those really
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down the back nine with the lead, and I think that's what the zone

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is, and you kind of feel
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you can't hit a bad put.
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thing is trying to yeah, capture
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day out, no matter if it's
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but you know, I think that's
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in order to you know, win
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like you did something different that week
or you know, or something was going

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on differently? Yeah? No,
UM, it's funny that you bring it

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up because it's kind of like the
second time this happened, which was last

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week, where I didn't do I
didn't overwork too much. Um. I

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played a lot of golf leading up
to that week and at Valero, and

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UM, I had a week off
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at all in the off week,
which isn't normal for me normally I'm working

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on something. But I felt so
confident where my game was that I didn't

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really feel like I needed to I'd
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there on Monday of the tournament.
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there with my family and you know, our daughters. She was a year

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and a half at that time.
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was a big family affair. Yeah. Yeah, So we were just kind

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of like hanging out and you know, I practiced a little bit here and

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there. I didn't even play all
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and just kind of went in there, not with any expectations, but

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not any not low expectations, but
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to have a good week. And
you know, I kind of put myself

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in position, you know, after
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and I didn't change, you know, I still hung out with my family,

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went to the water park and just
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I kind of did that last week
in Maui. I didn't really do too

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much practicing. I just played the
course to see it, and my wife

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literally put a five hour time limit
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know, spend time with them in
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So and end up being another good
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I kind of had a chance to
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is something that I need to try
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rounds to between on the off time. How did you feel Was there any

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kind of added pressure or anythings that
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was kind of pretty silent. No, I mean I think I didn't really

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have the outright lead I co led. I think after Saturday and yeah,

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I mean you start to hear,
you know, the voices in your head

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speaking to you, and you know, what what could this mean to you

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in your career? And you know, next week it's Augusta and you've got

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people texting you stuff like that where
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So I think the most human thing
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think about it, and just try
to forget it and move on and

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just stay focused on what I can
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I did a pretty good job of
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you know, I think I'll lean
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other opportunities come. Does this ever
has ever happened? Like you're standing over

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a three foot put and yeah,
you hear like, oh man, you're

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gonna blow this, like you got
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do you address that in yourself?
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like, if I'm ever nervous over
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but a typical shot, I just
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million times, and just because it's
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it's no different than if I was
out here, you know, by myself.

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It's still me in the hole and
three feet of grass and you know,

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a ball to roll into that hole. So I think that's the best

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way to have, you know,
some to have a perspective like that,

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to kind of dump things down instead
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ultimately can you know, make you
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in your own way, and especially
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Absolutely, if you get in your
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that you asked him about the tension
of a three foot put on the tour

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level, these guys worry about that
three foot or two. I mean,

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they're just golfers, man, but
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But they still struggle with the things
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definitely, and even the young ones. Yeah, for the young cocky ones.

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there's a new show that just was

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released on Netflix as we're talking,
called Full Swing, and it's like this

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docuseries about the PGA Tour. And
I watched episode one last night and it's

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interesting because in episode one, it's
Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas, and Jordan

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Spieth is talking about how good he
felt going into the tournament. How you

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know, like with JJ was talking
about I was feeling good, I'm feeling

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and he had a terrible tournament,
right, So you know, no matter

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how you're feeling, you just don't
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It's a completely different thing. Now
going to the other end of the

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spectrum. You talked to a youngster. Now we're going to go back to

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someone you had a conversation with and
we shared last year with Jerry Kelly.

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But still issues with the mental game. Even when you're battling between whether you're

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gonna be on the PGA Tour or
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As the year begins, do you
look back at last year and do

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any resetting, revision, kind of
set different goals and things like that for

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this year. Oh, there's no
question. You have to every single year.

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Uh, you know, you have
to give yourself some some lower goals

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to achieve towards the higher goals.
So you know, I'm always looking to

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just win the first tournament, and
then we're looking to win a major,

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and then we're looking to finish it
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that way every single year, I
mean to culminate it. When I was

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on the PGA Tour, I'd say
I'd want to be, you know,

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number one in the world, which
was a tall order because Tiger and I

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were rookies at the same time,
so I'd never achieved that one. Uh.

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But you know, you give yourself
the low goals and the high goals

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so you can step your way through
it. I was curious, what are

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like those smaller incremental goals to keep
you motivated through it all? Right now,

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it's it's it's just a just win
a tournament, you know, just

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just win. I mean back in
the day, you could have said,

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okay, you know, secure your
top one twenty five, you know,

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and then it would be a win, and then it would be but out

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in, out of the champions toured. Yet you know that that win is

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what I'm after every single time.
So when then when a major win multiple

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times, when the Schwap Cup,
that's it. How many tournaments on the

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PGA side do you play a season, you know at this point, I

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mean usually one, maybe two.
So I always play the sony which this

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may be my swan song right here. Uh, twenty fifth straight sony,

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so uh, and then I've I'm
in the players because I won the Senior

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Players, so you know, unless
we win majors, we don't get exemptions

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into any of the tournaments. But
yeah, those are those are my two

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this year. Is there a different
kind of gear you playing from you know

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at this point playing on the sony, you know, playing in this tournament

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unfortunately champions unfortunately, Like well,
it just you know, you just you

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get more adrenaline and you try and
hit it harder, and that's usually detrimental.

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So I need to understand my adrenaline. And yeah, you know,

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I'm just finally, you know,
feeling pretty good about relaxing into it rather

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than fighting into it. I've fought
into it my entire career. But we've

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got to try something a little different
as I'm getting older. Has there been

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a mental game challenge that you've seen, like maybe over the last year or

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over the last few years, that
you've overcome, and like, if so,

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how did you do that? Now? I haven't overcome any of my

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mental challenges. They are they are
all still there, all very prominent and

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something I work on every single day. So yeah, you're working with the

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mental game coach. You know,
I've been through you know, ten or

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fifteen of them, and I took
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And you know, at my age, it's it's not trying to reinvent the

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wheel or do anything different. It's
just, you know, understanding how detrimental

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thought processes will affect your attitude rather
than just trying to be positive through some

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difficult times. And everybody knows it's
not easy, but that's what we all

409
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.119
trying to do. It's easier on
the islands, that's for sure. It's

410
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:23.160
easier on the islands. Yeah,
low stress right on the islands. But

411
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.880
I really find it interesting that,
you know, you ask all these guys

412
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.920
about their mental coaches, and none
of them seem to be employed, but

413
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:36.799
they all know how important the mental
game is. It's such an amazing point

414
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:41.599
you just mentioned, Fred, that
every golfer right is going to say the

415
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:48.480
mental game is such a big component, and yet not everyone is willing to

416
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:56.319
take themselves on and willing to really
improve themselves. And it's fascinating to me

417
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.880
that as golfers, especially at this
level, will say these things and then

418
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.519
not do anything really about it.
So, you know, you hear like

419
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:11.200
like with Jerry. Yeah, he's
worked with different guys. But if to

420
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.559
me, if you're still having the
same problems, then you haven't addressed the

421
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:22.599
issue that and they can be addressed
and it's only going to make your play

422
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.799
that much better, lower your scores, feel more fulfilled, and also improve

423
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:32.839
your life, you know, as
a person. Yeah, so these are

424
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.039
Yeah, that's why he said,
I deal with the mental challenges every single

425
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:42.960
day. Yeah, and you don't
need to know I'm not familiar with Joseph

426
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.720
Bramlett. What do you know about
him that you can share with us before

427
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.720
we listen to him a little bit. Yeah, Joseph on the mental game.

428
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.440
He's going to be talking about the
medical journal. You know, Joseph

429
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.720
is one of also those up and
coming golfers. He had I believe a

430
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.000
back issue for a number of years
that took him out of the game,

431
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:07.319
and you know he's coming back and
you know, in the last few tournaments

432
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.440
he's been up on the leaderboard here
and there, So that's been exciting to

433
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.920
see him. And also, uh, he's he's by racial So the diversity

434
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:22.000
aspect for golf I think is really
important to understand, no, and keep

435
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:29.440
keep bringing people from around the world
of into the golf game. Joseph Bramlett.

436
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.359
Yeah, the mental golf is golf. It's all about the mental game.

437
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.920
So um, it's a huge influence
on on who perform as well who

438
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:41.400
doesn't and uh and how the leaderboard
shakes out. Does let's say, one

439
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.680
or two bad shots start to kind
of you know, affect you in the

440
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.319
mind and kind of like you know, to readjust and reassess and if that

441
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.519
does happen, what do you do
to make it to like shift down on

442
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.160
that? Yeah, I mean,
I think one of the keys to golf

443
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.039
is being able to stay present and
stay in the moment that you're in.

444
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.519
So it sounds very cliche, but
at the root of it, that's really

445
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.480
what it's all about. So um, yeah, I mean the biggest definitely

446
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.079
every one of us. When we
hit bad shots, it definitely pisses us

447
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.559
off and we were fired up and
we don't like it. And you see

448
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:15.680
two in a row and you wonder
if it's a pattern, but you just

449
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.640
try to sort through them and then
figure out if there's something going on or

450
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.240
if it was just two loose swings, and then apply whatever you need to

451
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:29.839
for the next shot, But now
that a presence is really what's important and

452
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:34.319
to have that as well as to
kind of find like that inspiration. Is

453
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:38.400
there anything that you kind of pull
from like during around to kind of like

454
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.720
keep in that inspired space. Is
there thoughts? All? We have all

455
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.480
kinds of little things we pull on
from the cookie jar. Yeah, I've

456
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.759
got a lot, and this is
this has been my dream since I was

457
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:55.799
five years old. So I've got
plenty of memories and inspiration and reasons from

458
00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:00.680
within that motivate me to work really
really art. And uh, you know

459
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:05.440
the reason I do that is to
performing well out here. So things are

460
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.119
going poorly or if it feels like
it's not my day, you definitely have

461
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.400
to pull from some of that and
remember that, yeah here for a reasons

462
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.920
you need to get the job done
right. And then like that thought,

463
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.519
like you said, like it's not
your day, Well that's that moment,

464
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.880
right, like you said, being
in the present. There's a fleading thoughts

465
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.400
that we all experience and it's it's
a part of everyone's game. But it's

466
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.640
a matter of how you sort through
them and how you how you interpret them.

467
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.440
And yeah, it's it's just a
thought, doesn't make it real U.

468
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.640
But yeah, there's definitely days that
you have three or four lipouts in

469
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.000
a row and you wonder if somebody
up above is picking on you or not.

470
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:45.400
Yeah, speaking of that, do
you have particular goals or kind of

471
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.839
kind of plans that's like especially now
starting the year, Like like you look

472
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.960
back at the year past and go, Okay, here's what it was good,

473
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.400
here's what it was challenged, And
if so, what are those things

474
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.000
that you look to make a change
for this year. Yeah, I mean

475
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.920
I have little parts throughout my entire
game that you know, I'm looking to

476
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.440
get better at, and I've got
you know, specific things to what I

477
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.880
do that I think if I can
really clean up, it can really take

478
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:16.119
me to another level. And all
of that is just part of my question

479
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:19.760
to get my first win out here. You know, that's really the page

480
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.679
I'm on right now. So the
biggest goal is to get that win,

481
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.239
and I've got a lot of smaller
goals within my game that will hopefully give

482
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.800
me there. Stay present and be
in the moment. It's, you know,

483
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.840
something we hear so frequently, but
it's so tough to do when things

484
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.440
when you like yeah, he said
two bad shots? Is it just me?

485
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:43.199
Or what am I doing? Right? And doesn't that happen to all

486
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.440
of us? Oh yeah? And
then the key again is turned into round

487
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:53.360
and not be affected by those bad
quote unquote bad shots and just reassess what's

488
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:59.360
the next target. That's trust,
trust your swing, trust what you're doing

489
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.960
instead of questioning with every shot,
don't do that, don't go there all

490
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.360
right, this one, this one, we're gonna go to kJ Choi.

491
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.519
Um, you just asked him about
his mental game and he just riffed on

492
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.280
it. And we're gonna do this
one will and we'll go right into a

493
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:20.719
break right after this with kJ Choi, I think maya quite long um and

494
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:29.119
uh pray and then um um Jesus
and God and thanks for and the mentally

495
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:34.320
okay watching me and the practicing is
a more better, you know, um

496
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:44.280
focus playing a lot and still play
a lot. And the human thing in

497
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:49.960
the body, it's a little old, but a little spirit in the come

498
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:57.280
through uh and in the liquever everything. Um, still tough, but always

499
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:04.760
a younger player a little a little
more every day and I'm practicing and then

500
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:10.519
how much you know, there's a
no change is a continual play and I'm

501
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:19.800
practicing and on more strong minds and
plus and the prey it's a more better

502
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.280
and so my opinions, yes,
So when I'm hearing you say you bring

503
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:30.159
to your connection with God and your
faith, you bring that into your play

504
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:36.960
when you're playing, and that helps
a lot for you. Yeah, it's

505
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:45.079
some Some tournaments are not not gray
comfortable, but some tournaments and very incomfortable

506
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:51.239
either. Um, you know feeling, you know that's right. The bad

507
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:55.760
feeling is a more prey and then
more enjoy play. Not too good today,

508
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:02.480
So dudge matters always a god love
me and continue people love me?

509
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:09.599
Is because angry shot but never showing
to not angry, So why kJ not

510
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.880
angry? So normal people say,
oh that shot is angry in the broken

511
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:20.679
club and then something wrong you know, and then never never do it in

512
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:22.800
the last twenty four years in the
PA too, in the Champions Tour,

513
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:29.679
many younger player and then look at
me, why do that? It's a

514
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.840
yeah, I keep keep it up
and not practicing and then pray, so

515
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:38.280
always watching you. You know it's
something wrong, it's not give me give

516
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:45.760
you any present it's not and then
keep it up and a young player.

517
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.639
Going back to kJ CHOI for a
moment. There were times where I wasn't

518
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:59.679
sure if he was saying play or
pray. But then when you heard him

519
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.920
say play, oh, no,
he was actually saying pray. Yes.

520
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:08.800
Yes, I didn't know that part
about him, that of his deep faith.

521
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:17.199
And actually that's what got him into
the movie Seven Days in Utopia and

522
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.239
he played t k Oh And I
don't know that movie. You mentioned it

523
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.840
in the internet. Tell me about
that, and he was involved in it.

524
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:30.960
What was there? It's a great
golf movie and really yes, yes,

525
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:36.079
and Lucas Black was in it as
an actor, but he is also

526
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.719
a really good golfer. And Robert
Duval was in it. And Robert Duval

527
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:46.599
plays like, you know, the
the old golfer and kind of he helps

528
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:53.960
Lucas Black get back into his game
because Lucas has different anger issues and he's

529
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.719
you know, trending in his at
the PGA level in the movie and he

530
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:06.920
just like you know, it just
bottoms out at one point and and then

531
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:14.000
he kind of connects up with Robert
Duval about how to transform the anger and

532
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:19.599
through his mental game. So is
a beautiful film and a powerful film and

533
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.559
I highly recommend it to any golfer. Yeah, oh absolutely, that's great

534
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:29.079
recommendation. Thank you. So a
lot of these conversations that you have,

535
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:35.760
you go from mental game into their
faith and the religious belief and the strength

536
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.840
of it and how it influences Why
do you do that great question? It

537
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:44.440
just happens naturally in some cases,
Fred, I don't even intend it.

538
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:50.519
But it's just because the mental game, the vulnerability, that feeling of the

539
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.360
you know, the darkness of the
monsters quote unquote, right, the demons.

540
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:01.960
It often brings up the thoughts of
our spirituality and what is really going

541
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:08.079
on. And you know, from
my perspective and from my experience of doing

542
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.760
so much research on the mind and
the mental game, not just for golfers,

543
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:19.119
but for people in general, I
have come to understand that the doubts

544
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.440
are actually our friends. They're not
our enemies. They're trying to help us.

545
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.159
But they come up in the voice
of the negative. It's like it's

546
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:34.480
like the you know, the good
and the good aspect, but coming out

547
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.199
in the wolves clothings, you know, and it's challenging. What happens is

548
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:45.800
the doubts challenge our resolve and they're
testing to see. Basically, we're about

549
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.000
to be on the doorstep of success. Are we ready and willing to really

550
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.239
be in that space and claim it? That's why, like I bring it

551
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:59.199
up about a three foot put on
the eighteenth hole to win a championship.

552
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.920
You know so many times guys here
you're going to blow this put. And

553
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.559
the point of it is you're about
to win. You're about to sink this

554
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:14.719
put. But if you don't understand
the language of the subconscious with the conscious,

555
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.320
then you think it's enough right to
have a little sweaty palm, enough

556
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:25.920
to just take your pregame preshot routine
off for that three foot put and you

557
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.000
lose, or you miss it and
you lose. Or the guy or woman

558
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:36.280
who understands this actually when they hear
that, they laugh and they go,

559
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.599
oh, I know I'm about to
have success. Why because I just heard

560
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.519
in my head you're about to blow
this, and I know now how to

561
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:50.039
turn this around and stay calm,
breathe read, read the put, sink

562
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.239
the hall, win the championship.
Awesome. You do a lot of that.

563
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.079
That part of the conversation. In
the next one we're going to listen

564
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.239
to, which is a little bit
longer. I'm just gonna let this one

565
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:05.400
go. This is just over ten
minutes. We're gonna have a conversation here

566
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:10.639
with Aaron rye Um. Tell me
about him. He's another young hot player

567
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:16.639
coming up for sure. What I
mostly knew previously to to talking with Aaron

568
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:25.519
was that he has the world record
for the most pots ten foot puts in

569
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:30.639
a row ten feet in under,
world record for ten foot and under puts

570
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.199
in a row. Yes, on
tour, No, like it was a

571
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:39.480
competition, coetition, Oh, okay, okay, And he sunk. He

572
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:45.840
sunk two hundred and seven puts in
a row at that and that was like

573
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.400
his third attempt. He told me. His first attempt he did, he

574
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:54.679
got seven. Then the second attempt
he got forty, and the record at

575
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.360
that time was one hundred and thirty
six. So he blew it out of

576
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.519
the water. So I was fascinated. I was like, I gotta talk

577
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.559
to this guy. Well, let's
listen to it right now. This is

578
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.400
Aaron. Right. It's probably the
most important aspect of the game because we

579
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.639
can group the mental side on how
the pre shot routine is, how calm

580
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.960
you are over your shot, how
well you visualize it how clear you are

581
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.199
in your mind, how you can
think of the right thoughts but clear the

582
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.480
other thoughts out of it. And
that's not to mention mental game goes into

583
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.159
how well you react to mistakes,
how well you deal with adversity, how

584
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.599
well you can ride good waves of
momentum as well, and within all of

585
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:40.079
those things, that's that's a significant
part of golf. So if that part

586
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:44.840
of the game can be sharp,
then then it can take you a long

587
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:50.800
way. I was curious when you
did your world record of was it two

588
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.719
hundred and seven parts of ten feet? Yeah, did you have any you

589
00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:00.679
know, kind of facts if you
remember back then, like any doubt set

590
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.559
were coming up, like can you
really do this or things like that,

591
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.719
and how did you overcome that if
that happened during that time, Yeah,

592
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.760
definitely. So that was my third
attempt. My previous two attempts, I

593
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.960
think on the first run I maybe
made seven. Second run, I think

594
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.000
I got two about forty and so
obviously in the world record I think was

595
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:27.199
one hundred and thirty six at that
point, So previous two times, I

596
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.000
obviously I didn't make it there.
But then I thought it's rather than trying

597
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:37.480
to see it as me get into
forty eighty one thirty just seeing in cycles

598
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.440
of ten, and then when I
got to ten, I just started again

599
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:45.159
at one and then kept on going. So again we're talking about the mental

600
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.199
side of it. That just really
helped to keep me quite present and not

601
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:53.280
to get too far ahead, and
also to keep everything very manageable. That

602
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.400
I was never on one hundred and
thirty seventh part to break the record.

603
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:01.199
I was aware that it was one
hundred thirty seven pot, but it was

604
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:05.400
more in my mind that it was
just the seventh part of that particular cycle.

605
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.800
So that that helped to kind of
keep me in a better place mentally

606
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.159
in order to achieve that. And
then, um, that was it really

607
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:20.400
And there were a couple of pots
which looked like they were missing but went

608
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.679
in. And you always need those
good breaks here and there with that's an

609
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.119
a round of golf, or with
that's it in a ten foot part.

610
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.559
So um, that was that was
pretty much some of the keys to it.

611
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:34.760
When you were in that experience or
when you have one, have you

612
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.519
ever felt like being in what we
call the zone where things kind of like

613
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:45.039
are quiet or maybe slow down,
or just you enter into and maybe an

614
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:50.880
altered space where it seems so easy. That's a great question. Um.

615
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.920
I think when when a lot of
players perform well, they do experience that

616
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:04.840
that kind of feeling because it's almost
or for me anyway, it's almost like

617
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:12.480
nothing else is really going on outside
of that present moment and that present shot.

618
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.239
But you almost have to enter a
state like that to be able to

619
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:20.039
focus on all of the things you
need to in order to pull off that

620
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:24.320
given shot in order to to really
perform, because if any of the other

621
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:29.559
things start to enter your mind and
you don't use them as fuel and use

622
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.039
them in the right way, it
can very quickly derail you. And that

623
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.480
can translate itself into a misshot or
a mispart or a bad run of holes,

624
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.800
which can end your chances of winning
a tournament. So yeah, to

625
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:46.000
answer your questions, it's happened a
few times. It'd be nice if that

626
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.559
happened a little bit more. And
I think we will strive for that and

627
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.519
we will try and do our best
in order to enter that state. And

628
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.960
that's where it's such a mix of
physical and mental because if the physical parts

629
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.960
are in a good place, if
you're well rested, always give yourself that

630
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.239
chance for everything to fall in line, and then the mental side can really

631
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.199
come up because it's you've got a
great game to work on on top of

632
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.360
that week. So it really is
trying to take care of the whole picture.

633
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.880
And that's a battle that I think
a lot of golfers constantly face on

634
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.719
a week to week basis. But
when we do get it right, that

635
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.039
that feeling is pretty cool. And
then when that translates into achievement or winning

636
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:29.360
a tournament, then obviously that's very
special. If you ever experience any like

637
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.719
kind of doubts when you're adding or
shipping or driving, and it's so like,

638
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.039
how do you kind of address that
kind of you know, shift it

639
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:45.039
in that sense, it's a great
question and that that can happen a number

640
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:49.320
of times, and it does happen
to me a number of times in the

641
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.760
past, and it will happen now, and it will happen in the future.

642
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:58.760
I think for me it sounds very
cliche, but having a good routine,

643
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:02.239
having when I say a good routine
timing that is quite similar where the

644
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.280
body just falls into a bit of
a flow where those doubts can come to

645
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:12.199
mind. But when you're working at
a good time, everything just seems to

646
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.480
flow a little bit better, and
hopefully the body coordinates itself a little bit

647
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.760
better to override the doubt that comes
into mind. And then on top of

648
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.840
that, just having a couple of
key thoughts that are very simple within this

649
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.400
wing, and if the doubts come
to the forefront of the mind, to

650
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.880
just try and replace those with a
key thought. And I hope that between

651
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.800
the key thought and good timing of
the body, that the doubt can hopefully

652
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.360
be overcome. And that isn't always
the case, but I think that that

653
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:44.880
gives certainly gives me the best chance
of overcoming those doubts, because I do

654
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:50.800
have them. Do you ever consider
that the doubts are actually trying to help

655
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:57.440
you succeed, and that they're coming
up at a time when you're on the

656
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.880
pinnacle of more success, either in
that shot or that or that whole in

657
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:07.119
that round, And it's just almost
a test to see, we're checking to

658
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:13.440
see your resolve in how much you
believe in the success you're about to have.

659
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.800
That's a great question, and I
think you're right, I think,

660
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:27.400
and it's in those periods where you
begin to push some of your own limits,

661
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.039
and you come through those, you
learn if you don't come through those,

662
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:37.880
again, they're a great they're a
great learning process. It is It

663
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.519
is definitely a test of your resolve
and a test of how much you truly

664
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:46.440
believe in yourself. But I also
think it comes down to self awareness as

665
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:51.840
well, because there are times when
doubt can actually be your friend. When

666
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.039
you may be taken on a shot
that is a little bit risky and the

667
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.280
swing is feeling a little bit ropey, and the doubt creeps up to go,

668
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.239
actually, what are you doing here, Let's be a little bit smarter,

669
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:08.679
Let's just step away from this and
let's rethink. So I believe it

670
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:13.719
does come back to the self awareness
that when is that doubt actually helping you?

671
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.360
When is it giving you a signpost
to say, hey, let's let's

672
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:22.719
step back, or when is that
doubt trying to limit you? And in

673
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.280
both examples they adapt, But in
one example it's working with you, the

674
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.320
other example it's not. And I
think differentiating between the two requires a self

675
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.960
awareness and then trying to react in
the correct way then requires putting that into

676
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:42.119
action. So I guess you've just
got to try and read this situation and

677
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.400
read yourself to the best of your
ability. You beautifully explain that. I

678
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:52.559
feel because a sense, that kind
of mental inner talk is actually different those

679
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.079
two versions of that they are.
Yeah, Yes, you have a very

680
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.159
unique cultural background. I wonder do
you that help you at all playing golf.

681
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:06.840
Do you pull from any of your
cultural you know, kind of strains

682
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.480
or history or things of that nature, Tom, I guess feel stronger or

683
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.719
more confident or things like that on
the course. Yeah, I would say

684
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.480
so. I think that is probably
a natural part for most people that we

685
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:28.719
rely on some of our past experiences
and how we've learned in order to try

686
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.239
and help us in the future.
And I come from the UK, but

687
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:39.000
from an Indian family, again very
cliche, but a lot of hard work

688
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:47.480
in the family and discipline and also
faith in God and believing in a higher

689
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:53.119
power than things happen for a reason, and that those those are some very

690
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:58.639
big things which which have shaped me
and continue to shape me. Yes.

691
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.159
And have you had that kind of
experience where you, let's say, you

692
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:07.320
call on that faith up God or
the divine when you're playing and you've felt

693
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.800
something kind of takeover in a positive
way or like kind of help you or

694
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.920
things like that. Does that ever
happen, Yeah, yeah, it has.

695
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.280
Whether that is simply belief or whether
that is a higher power. I

696
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:30.760
think I believe in one of those
two things. But yeah, I've definitely

697
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.079
experienced that in the past. And
again it's as we were talking about before,

698
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:37.760
in terms of getting in that zone. Maybe that is part of it.

699
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.679
That it's just a feeling of peace
and being at one with whatever it

700
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.199
is that we're doing in that present
moment. Whether that is hitting a shot,

701
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.400
whether that is walking down the fairway, or whether that is getting groceries

702
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:57.360
from from a store. These are
things that are about life and peace and

703
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.840
just the interconnectingness of all things really. So I've definitely experienced that in the

704
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:07.679
past, and i think ironically that's
something that I'm trying to be a bit

705
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:13.239
more wary of of implementing in my
life now because it is there. But

706
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:15.639
it's also something that maybe hasn't been
as much in the forefront as what it

707
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:21.119
was in the past for me.
So it's quite interesting actually talking about this

708
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.760
now because it's it's something that I've
I've thought of a lot over the last

709
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:31.159
couple of weeks. Really, Yeah, that's interesting. He loved your questions.

710
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:36.639
Clearly he loved what you were asking
him, and even when you ask

711
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:43.320
him about the doubts, he laughed, yeah, yeah, And you know,

712
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:49.239
it's I just find it fascinating because
this came out this process that I

713
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:54.199
shared with people, kind of gotten
unearthed through my own process myself reread and

714
00:53:54.840 --> 00:54:02.039
being a musician traveling the world and
performing percussion and drums, is the doubts

715
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:07.519
are the same, you know they
you know for a golfer, as a

716
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:13.440
musician, as a businessperson, as
a basketball player. They may say different

717
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.480
words because of the world you're in, but the essence I have found it's,

718
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.719
you know, it doesn't and it
doesn't matter whether where someone from America

719
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:29.519
or someone from Japan and speak another
language. Because of working with people from

720
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:34.159
all over the world, I have
found it's like the doubts are there's a

721
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.239
process, and it's just kind of
a thing innate in all of us.

722
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:42.159
And as I said, it's it's
an exciting, beautiful thing when you look

723
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.320
at it from the place I look
at it, rather than a place of

724
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:51.559
something to be afraid of or something
to just try to brush over. We're

725
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.079
going to take another break, and
when we come back, we'll finish up

726
00:54:54.119 --> 00:55:01.519
with more little tidbits and advice from
Stewart Sync, and that's going to be

727
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:12.840
run after this. Now, before
we get to more of Stewart's SYNC,

728
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.239
tell me about my golf Quiz dot
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729
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:22.199
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mental game quiz that I put together.

730
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:29.679
It's it's a very very powerful.
In this matter of sixty seconds, you

731
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:32.840
will be determined on what level your
golf game is at your mental game,

732
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:38.920
and then you'll get a special report
based on the level of what you answer,

733
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:45.239
how you answered, and in the
report there's suggestions and helpful tips,

734
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.920
and I've gotten golfers have written back
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735
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.199
It's say Carrie, just just the
information and the special report has helped me,

736
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.719
you know, lower you know,
my golf game, you know,

737
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:01.920
in terms of I've been able to
puts that I and consecutively that I haven't

738
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:06.440
been able to do before. And
it's just I love it, you know,

739
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.280
because this is I just love helping
people out, you know, I

740
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:15.320
love open golfers out and it's um
yeah, So Mike Golf quiz dot Com.

741
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:16.920
All right, please check that out. Now let's go to back to

742
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.119
Stuart's sink. Your conversation with Stewart's
sink. We have three or four,

743
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:28.679
so just shorter cuts with him,
but you're the first one we're going to

744
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:32.320
listen to. Is when you asked
him about courses that he either dreads or

745
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:38.000
favors. Has there been a course
that you've played that has challenged you mentally

746
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:44.480
and that you almost look forward to
to play again because it has been a

747
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:50.599
challenge for you and you've seen a
success you've overcome certain of those challenges,

748
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:55.639
and you've felt that really kind of
joy, you know, of transforming that

749
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.679
the early part of my career,
the first couple of times I've played Memorial,

750
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.079
which is the Columbus Ohioway Jack nichols
A tournament. Is I remember my

751
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.639
first couple of times just feeling like
this course is so hard, like around

752
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:14.719
the greens it's so penal, and
just being amazed at the scorers players shot

753
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:21.480
there. And then over time I
started to understand how the severity of the

754
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:25.239
surrounding areas around the greens was really
there not to punish you, but to

755
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.760
kind of like be your guide,
and so I started seeing it differently as

756
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:31.639
opposed to be like afraid of like
what if my ball goes there? I

757
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.960
started sort of like letting the course
tell me, like, Okay, you

758
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:37.679
don't want your ball to be in
there, So what is that saying.

759
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:40.440
That's saying, let's move the target
over here a little bit and take your

760
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:44.800
medicine. And I saw players that
I played with too have success by not

761
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:47.039
taking on every flag. And that's
actually the way Jack Nichols played golf.

762
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:52.320
You know, he designed that course
exactly the way he plays golf. And

763
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.360
so over the years, Memorial became
one of my tournaments I loved playing and

764
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.320
that I had a lot of goods. Never won it yet, but I

765
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.679
had a lot of good success playing
there. So that's definitely one example.

766
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.320
Another example right here, Sony,
because we've been back at most of us

767
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.320
that live back East have been in
you know, kind of marginal weather and

768
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.519
not being able to play a lot
of golf courses that have good green grass

769
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.199
and healthy rough and win. And
this course pretty narrow, so you come

770
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.159
out here and you've got to really
be on top of your game. So

771
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:30.880
it's taught me a lot about how
to start the year, and also how

772
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.800
to accept the fact that you can
do all you want to prepare for a

773
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:37.719
shot and hit the right club and
hit your target line and everything. A

774
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.639
lot of good drives here don't end
up in the fairway, and the rough

775
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:46.800
can be pretty gross here. So
it kind of I like playing here first

776
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:51.239
in the year if I'm not in
Maui. Obviously Mauie's awesome, but if

777
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.440
I'm not in MAUI like this year. If I'm not in the century,

778
00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:59.800
then I like playing here at Sony
because it takes you from like midwinter to

779
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.800
midsummer almost right away, and it's
got to it gets your mental game kind

780
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.599
of ramped up faster than playing other
places. I'll tell you the takeaway from

781
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:14.360
me on that one was don't let
it punish you. Let it be your

782
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.639
guide. How often are we like, oh, I hate this whole because

783
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:20.920
I'm hitting in the water all the
time. All right, If you do

784
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:27.239
let that be your guide and approach
it differently, love that I do too.

785
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:30.239
It was beautiful and he said that
point. Yeah, We're gonna do

786
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.039
two back to back here. The
first one is going to be about the

787
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.119
goals that he had for twenty twenty
three, but then he talks about intention

788
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:43.199
and will follow it up with intention
not on the year, but intention for

789
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.199
your shots. So again Stuarts sink. Goals and intentions are tricky because a

790
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:50.360
lot of them tend to be attached
to results, which, going back to

791
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.840
what I said a second ago,
you really can't control a lot of So

792
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:58.480
you'd like to have goals and intentions
that you can control. But at the

793
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:05.320
same time, what would those be? So um instead of instead of using

794
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.079
like finishes in the FedEx Cup or
making the Tour Championship or having wins like

795
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:13.320
that as goals, this is something
that drives my wife crazy, is that

796
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.119
I never use those kind of things
as goals, those results were ented things.

797
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:22.280
Instead I use things more like my
goal will be too. I have

798
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.079
a set number of drills I do
and putting you know, with my coach

799
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:28.360
that I kind of say, all
right, I'm gonna do that twice a

800
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.480
week, and that's a goal,
and I know that if I do it,

801
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.880
it's not always the succeeding in the
drills as much as it is the

802
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.000
doing them. Just do them.
If I do that set of what I

803
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:43.880
said, I'm gonna do every every
week or every you know, whatever time

804
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.199
frame I put on that, if
I do that, then there's no chance

805
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:50.360
I'm not going to improve because I
trust that I'm working on the right things

806
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.400
and I'm good coaching. My team's
excellent. So um, those are the

807
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:58.159
kind of goals I like to use
that you know, maybe driver ball speed,

808
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.559
you know, I try to get
my ball speed up to a certain

809
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.800
where I can cruise at a certain
speed. That stuff you can control,

810
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.400
a lot of stuff you can't control. So when I hear players say,

811
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:08.920
like, my goals this year are
you know, I want to have at

812
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:12.920
least six top tens, I'm like, hey, you know, that's great,

813
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.639
But a lot of that just depends
so much on other things. A

814
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.719
lot of varieties. You are,
a variety of factors you can't control.

815
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.760
So but I think what you're asking
is, this is the Christmas and things.

816
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.440
Give me breaking the center of the
season, kind of give you a

817
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:29.719
set and reset those goals. Yes, and no, I mean no,

818
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:36.079
And the fact that I start the
season back before, like in September,

819
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.719
and I kind of I want to
have a big enough data set where I

820
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:43.800
can say the goals I did were
either matched or they did work or they

821
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.159
need to rely on someone, And
we don't have enough terminus on our belt

822
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:51.719
yet, even though it's been a
while we hadn't had We've had like eight

823
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:54.920
straight weeks of no golf, so
we don't have enough data points. So

824
01:01:55.039 --> 01:02:00.880
this time of year you can't really
do a lot of of adjusting. But

825
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.360
in my case, issuear, I'm
about turn fifty and so I've got the

826
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.920
Champions Tour tournaments out there that I'll
be eligible for, and I will be

827
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:12.199
deciding, you know, which ones
of those I'm going to play in,

828
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:15.000
and if any which ones I'm gonna
playing out here. And there's a lot

829
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:20.039
to play for out here on the
PGA Tour, and so my goals this

830
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:23.440
year are still more oriented towards PGA
Tour golf. And you're so you can

831
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.719
dance back and forth between the two
toys. I could, Yeah, yeah,

832
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:32.400
I could, but that's not really
been proven to be a real successful

833
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:36.679
route to go for anybody to bounce
back and forth. It's been more like

834
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:38.320
you've got to commit one way or
the other. Yeah, it's like in

835
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:44.079
a sense a different gear, you
know, Yeah, because so well you

836
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:45.920
know, you you know, play
you two points to count. Yes,

837
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:49.880
it's all about points. If you
play on this tour and your points count,

838
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:51.760
and you play on this tour the
next week and your points count over

839
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:58.079
here, Yes, they're not counting
both places. You could say I hope

840
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.480
this goes right at that bush,
probably not gonna end up being a successful

841
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:05.880
shot, right, Or you could
say I'm gonna take this ball straight.

842
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:07.800
You know, you can kind of
state like this is what's about to happen.

843
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:15.119
It leaves really no room for anything
else. Yes, Um, absolutely

844
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:21.119
I choose I'm choosing. Yeah,
there's something very fascinating though when we speak

845
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:25.159
that way to our mind, it's
almost as then you swing and you hit

846
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:29.440
and make contact with the ball and
then it goes there. It's almost like

847
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:34.880
did that happen? Right? But
it's but it's due to that intention,

848
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.599
Like you know that subco when you
say what you're going to do, what

849
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:43.800
you're choosing to do, that's an
active statement of like I'm in control and

850
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:47.679
you're keeping your agency. Yes,
and um, I just feel like it

851
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:53.440
automatically excuses you from, um,
a mistake being made. You're you're gonna

852
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:57.079
make plenty of physical errors out here. You know you're not gonna hit all

853
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.840
your drives and your iron shots and
everything exactly one too. It's not gonna

854
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.880
happen. If you can be willing
to accept all those and eliminate all those

855
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.440
other errors that you just feed yourself, like the hoping and the wishing and

856
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:13.679
the needing, then yeah, you're
gonna give yourself a better chance to succeed.

857
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.239
And that's in the end, really
what it's all about. You can't

858
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.320
control all of once you make contact
with all, you can't control much else,

859
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:24.440
and so um our job out of
here, My job and that guy

860
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.880
and all the caddies and the coaches
and the players. The job really boils

861
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:32.519
down to accepting the percentages and keeping
your expectations in the proper frame and then

862
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:39.800
trying to improve like one percent,
you know, yes percent. Yes,

863
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:42.320
you're not trying to make every twenty
footer because then if you did that,

864
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.559
you'd be disappointed most of the time. But you can try to make thirteen

865
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.039
percent of those instead of twelve and
a half over the year. That makes

866
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:53.440
sense. I think that's a Kobe
Bryant thing about one percent, like that

867
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:59.280
was something to just improve a little
bit each time. Yeah, yeah,

868
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.239
yeah, that's amazing, amazing,
is right. I love the idea of

869
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:06.360
I don't want to make every twenty
footer because then I'll be disappointed all the

870
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:12.960
time when I don't. Okay,
just keeping your realities in check, I'll

871
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:19.199
take that twenty foot though not every
time. The most of the time,

872
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:25.400
he really he really opens up to
I just find this so fascinating. He

873
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:30.679
really enjoyed talking to you, and
and oh god, we enjoy eavesdropping on

874
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:38.960
it. Yeah, I do too. I just it's kind of funny every

875
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.239
and just kind of you know,
kind of being really candid. Here.

876
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.320
I go to these events, you
know, I go to this event.

877
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:51.320
I have I have a sense of
who I'd like to interview, um,

878
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:56.400
but I have no idea if any
of those are going to happen or how

879
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:01.480
it's going to happen. And I've
seen my own doubts through this process,

880
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.440
just trying to get interviews, and
it's like, you know, the voices,

881
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:09.159
dude, you're not gonna get anybody, and you know you're gonna you

882
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:12.440
know it's not gonna happen here.
And I go, oh, thank you,

883
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.920
I turned it around. Oh that
means this is gonna work out great.

884
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.639
And then there's a process that I've
shared a little bit here today to

885
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:23.039
how to deal with it. And
it turns out it's you know, I

886
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:27.199
generally, you know, when I
look back at the list that of the

887
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.280
guys I want to interview, and
then after the events, you know,

888
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.800
my time there is over. It's
like, oh yeah, you know,

889
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.920
I got just about everyone or everyone
that I was looking for, you know

890
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:43.039
it. And yet there's no I
can't force that to happen, but I

891
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:47.320
can intentionalize it. And that's a
powerful thing, amazing, you know what.

892
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:49.880
I'm going to take one more break
and then we're gonna come back.

893
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:55.119
We got three or four more from
Stuart Sink and we'll be back after this.

894
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:59.679
This week on Golf Smarter Mulligan's is
Part two with Catherine Roberts if Yoga

895
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:04.159
for Golfers. In this episode,
Catherine provides a variety of pre and post

896
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:11.039
shot round stretching routines that are specifically
designed for golfers. She even provides a

897
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:15.079
story that maybe all too familiar with
some of our greatest fears. I had

898
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:18.639
a client and his name was Jim, and he was sixty seven years old.

899
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:24.800
He had retired his whole life with
golf and he had backpain that was

900
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.719
so bad he could not play,
and that doctor told him, forget it,

901
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.719
you're never going to play golf again. So you can imagine he became

902
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:36.840
very depressed. His social structure kind
of fell apart because his life was playing

903
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:41.039
golf. And so he was referred
to me by someone and I just did

904
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.159
some very simple evaluations, physical evaluations, and I said, Jim, I

905
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:48.440
said, here are seven to ten
things I want you to do four days

906
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:54.119
a week, fifteen minutes. No
more, don't even do more. And

907
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:58.280
in three months he was back playing
golf. That's Golf's Murder Mulligan's episode one

908
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:02.199
hundred ninety nine, Part two with
Catherine Roberts of Yoga for Golfers. Please

909
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:08.360
subscribe for free to our sister podcast
that revisits the best of the Golf Smarter

910
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:14.840
podcast called Golf Smarter Mulligans, being
released every Friday from wherever you're listening right

911
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:24.479
now. One of the last things
that you and Stewart talked about. There's

912
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:28.359
a couple more topics here, but
one of them is about debriefing. It's

913
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.239
like, you know, we talk
about post shot routine, post round routine,

914
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:35.920
or debriefing. This is the conversation
you had with him about that.

915
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:40.720
It's quick, but it's fascinating.
One thing I've started doing, and I

916
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:44.840
started this about five years ago,
is whenever I have those little debriefs like

917
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:47.880
that, which is, you know, I would say anywhere from like a

918
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:55.000
formal debrief like with Reagan caddion too, very informal, just like thinking about

919
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:59.319
it when I'm in the shower,
right, But I always try to take

920
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:03.039
little notes down, and so in
my yards book, I always have it

921
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:05.479
written down, a little list of
things in the back of my yardsment,

922
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:10.119
like right there, you know,
and just little things like where do you

923
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:13.520
get your piece? You know,
like it's a question that we all have

924
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.479
to kind of ask ourselves, and
very few really ever do. But if

925
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:19.399
I'm standing over a drive and I
feel the wind blow in a certain direction,

926
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:23.720
the shot feels uncomfortable. Am I
getting my piece from where that golf

927
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:28.520
ball goes? I hope not.
But that's really easy to do. And

928
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:31.720
so little notes like that, you
know, just reminded myself to look at

929
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:38.479
the cross and remember, like the
people standing around the cross the crucifixion might

930
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:40.720
have been thinking, this is like
one of the worst things that's ever happened.

931
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:43.319
How can this be? You know, how can God allow this?

932
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:46.239
But what they didn't realize is that
they were looking at the greatest things ever

933
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:49.800
happened towards the redemption of mankind.
You know, things like that, like,

934
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.239
oh, how can this ball bounce
right into the bunker? Maybe I

935
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.800
need to practice my favorite bunker shots. But that's one way that I kind

936
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.039
of keep myself reminded. And it's
not completely you know, full proof.

937
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.039
I mean, there's a reason I
have to debrief every day, and we

938
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:12.640
all should ask ourselves, and very
few do wise wise wise, Yeah,

939
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.359
and yet if we do, when
we start doing it, it's only going

940
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:19.079
to improve it. You know.
It's kind of like the pus, right,

941
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:24.199
like of an infection. You know, if we if we go after

942
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:27.479
that pus and let it you know, and yeah, when we pop it,

943
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:32.399
uh, it's it gets a little
messy, but then you know,

944
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.880
we apply whatever we need to after
that on the pus and the infection goes

945
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:41.359
away and it heals up. It's
a similar kind of idea. You know,

946
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:44.880
it's touching the pus. So the
things we don't want to do,

947
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:48.800
but the you know, my question
is do you want to just would you

948
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:55.039
rather deal with that or would you
rather have the same consecutive challenge keep keep

949
01:10:55.079 --> 01:11:00.159
coming after you day after day,
year after year. That's a question of

950
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.239
us has to ask. One of
the things that came out in that last

951
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:06.920
cut was his faith and the importance
of it. And you know, like

952
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:12.279
you mentioned you were a professional musician, but to bring it back to music

953
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:16.000
and he takes it back to his
faith. Do you use music as a

954
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.520
way to kind of get you revbed
up at all? Oh my gosh,

955
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:21.520
I used music as a way to
get my heart in the right place.

956
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:28.039
Man, not rebbed up. If
anything rev down, I'm already rebbed up.

957
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:30.399
And usually the reason I'm rebbed up
it is because I'm like hoping for

958
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:33.800
results or maybe a little bit fearful
about what might happen. And so I

959
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.279
have a great playlist of Christian music
that I listened to all the time.

960
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:41.520
It's just such a solid reminder of
gratitude, and you know where my heart

961
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:45.159
ought to be. And yeah,
and how significant I really am out here

962
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.079
playing golf. You know, I
sometimes overinflate my significance out here, like

963
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:54.479
I think we all do. I
interpret that is when you feel that connection

964
01:11:54.520 --> 01:12:00.239
to the divine or God like I
imagine, like there's that oneness that golf

965
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.479
is sid of the way in that
moment for you to make that connection.

966
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:10.600
Yeah. Web Simpson's wife one time
told Lisa when we play together, something

967
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.640
like, it's great the boys get
to worship together today. And that was

968
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:17.600
this least ten or twelve years ago, and from that point on, I

969
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:23.279
remember thinking, you know what,
this is a way to worship because I

970
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:26.920
understand that golf, being the golfer
that I am and playing at these high

971
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.439
levels, it's teaching me things about
myself that I would have never known otherwise.

972
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:36.279
And it's just such an opportunity to
be grateful and to learn about yourself

973
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:43.600
and to keep yourself in the right
perspective, you know, with your relationship

974
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.439
with God. And so she said
it, she said it great, and

975
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.359
ever since then I've treated it that
way. I noticed that when I don't

976
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:55.079
treat it that way, I'm not
near as happy on the course. And

977
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:59.079
I want to be happy. You
know. I love playing golf and I

978
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:01.960
love what offers me. It's way
more than just a job for me,

979
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:08.039
because I'm just so fortunate and blessed
that I can do this job. You

980
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:12.159
know, it's such a fun thing
to do and such a challenging, personally

981
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:16.439
challenging job to to continue to,
you know, try to do every year.

982
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.840
But such a blessing too that I
get to, you know, I

983
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:25.279
get to do something that's taught me
so much. People feeling, you know,

984
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:29.600
And I watched it just today,
watching you just talking the course of

985
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:33.760
you know, and just how you
are with people, and I'm sure they

986
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:38.520
are feeling that too, and they
may not expand it, you know,

987
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.880
but they would feel it. Yeah. Well, that's part of the purpose

988
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.960
out here, you know. I
worked with a guy for a couple of

989
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:48.800
years back about five years ago,
and he kind of put me through like

990
01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:51.920
his curriculum, Jim Murphy was his
name, and one of the things that

991
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.239
he had me to do right at
the beginning is to define a purpose.

992
01:13:56.239 --> 01:14:00.000
And I think I probably don't need
to explain to you, but it wasn't

993
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.039
my purpose to shoot sixty five every
day. And we kind of defined the

994
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:06.359
purpose for me, and I got
it straight from the lyric of one of

995
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:10.319
the songs I like to listen to, and it was like, my purpose

996
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:13.800
was to let this world know me
by your love, by meaning the love

997
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.199
of Jesus Christ. I want the
world to see me and say, like,

998
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:20.000
there's something about that guy, and
when they investigate that, I want

999
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:24.640
them to see Jesus Christ and his
love and I want the love for him

1000
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:27.840
that I feel to overflow and to
get onto the other people that are near

1001
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.039
me. That I think is what
you see if you watch me play.

1002
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:34.359
I like volunteers. You know.
Yeah, there's some moments when the volunteers

1003
01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:39.680
are annoying, but who isn't.
I'm sure I annoy the volunteer sometime too,

1004
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:44.600
but no, I just like to
I like to try to be that

1005
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.479
way out there all the time.
And that purpose has been something that I

1006
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:51.159
try to walk with every day.
And it seems to kind of lessen the

1007
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:55.000
bad scores and also it kind of
lessens the good scores too, which kind

1008
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.840
of good for me. You know. I like to stay even and not

1009
01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:01.359
get too up or two down,
and when if there's credit due ever,

1010
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.960
you know, I like to use
it as worship. The Church of Golf

1011
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:15.159
is an evangelistic golfer. Yeah,
I love that idea of over inflate our

1012
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:21.920
own significance. And for professional athletes
who have been praised and followed and clawed

1013
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:27.800
at for most of their lives,
especially if they're lade athletes early on.

1014
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:35.720
Yeah, I'm sure that most professional
athletes over inflate their own significance. Yeah,

1015
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:40.239
and keeping it perspective has got to
be really hard, for sure.

1016
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:49.800
But that humility and that driving humility
can create that the honest passion to keep

1017
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:56.439
improving, you know, help you
stay humble. Right now, you couldn't

1018
01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:00.239
hold back. He still needed to
ask about his mental coaches because you might

1019
01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:03.399
be looking for gigs. I don't
know, but you're asking Stewart Sink about

1020
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:06.039
his metal coaches. Let's see what
he has to say. The last guy

1021
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:10.800
I worked with was that guy Jim
Murphy. I work with him. He

1022
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:15.119
has a curriculum that I kind of
outran the curriculum, and we stayed together

1023
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:19.920
longer than his curriculum lasted. So
when we stopped working. There's a guy

1024
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.720
that he was here too. You
may have seen him if you were here

1025
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:26.520
yesterday. James Sekman. He's a
guy working with a short game and putting

1026
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.720
and he is like really strong in
that area too. But he's not really

1027
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.279
a fully trained sports psychologist. But
he's really good for me because he knows

1028
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:35.520
me real well, and he knows
where I get wayward, and he knows

1029
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:39.560
where I'm really sharp and good.
So he's a good reminder all the time,

1030
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:43.520
asking me questions and he kind of
parrots back the questions that I have

1031
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:47.119
for myself, and he knows my
lists. So I kind of have given

1032
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:54.359
some of that to him, just
to more as a reminder of past,

1033
01:16:55.840 --> 01:17:00.279
you know, material that I've learned. Interestingly, James Siekman as been on

1034
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:05.279
Golf smarter Um back in twenty fifteen
episode four eighty six. We he had

1035
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:10.479
just come out with a book and
so we had him on, so I

1036
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:15.920
know of his work. Comment yeah, anything, but yeah, I'm definitely

1037
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:23.520
going to check that podcast out that
pipe for sure, And don't know if

1038
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:28.760
it's still available for free on you
know, because the episodes that disappear that's

1039
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.239
in the right, that's like the
four eighty six is kind of out of

1040
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:35.039
the realm of where we are,
and we're getting up into the three hundreds

1041
01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:40.760
now with Mulligan's. So if there's
only two hundred and fifty or so episodes

1042
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:45.840
available on iTunes, I don't know. At Apple Podcasts, I don't know

1043
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:47.520
if that's available but it will be
at some point we'll bring it back and

1044
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:53.680
maybe we'll even find James Sekman and
bring him back on the show. Yeah.

1045
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:58.159
Um, let's wrap it up here
with Stewart sink one more with him,

1046
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:01.199
and I love the fact that you
asked him about if he had any

1047
01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:11.000
advice for amateur play and for amateurs
on dealing with doubt. I remember my

1048
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:16.079
first about my third or fourth year
on tour. I had some early success,

1049
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:19.239
like I came out of the gates
like boot, and I'm like,

1050
01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:26.760
now what do I do? And
I felt like a lot of worry because

1051
01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:29.119
I didn't feel like I was quite
ready to jump into that role he had

1052
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.279
of a top player in the world
and you know, making all the Rider

1053
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:35.239
Cups and President Cup teams. And
I had to do some searching. And

1054
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:39.960
that's why I really actually kind of
got interested in the whole psychology of sport.

1055
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:45.319
So and then you know it kind
of beloved. It's just rode a

1056
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:50.039
wave ever since then. Sometimes the
the doubts and the fears are strong,

1057
01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:54.319
and I have to really work really
hard. And as I've gotten older,

1058
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.520
I probably matured out of some of
them, you know, And I don't

1059
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.920
sweat what I used to sweat,
but I do sweat things I didn't used

1060
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:04.960
to sweat, so um, I
wouldn't say it's lessened. But it's just

1061
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:10.800
a constant, you know. It's
a moving target a little bit. But

1062
01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:14.000
that's part of the reason I love
plays, because I'm always having to.

1063
01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:17.840
Yeah, it's like whack a mole. Yes, yes, yeah. And

1064
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:23.720
what would you suggest for let's say, the weekend golfer to help their mental

1065
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:29.199
game stay strong. Just depends on
the player, And that's a sorry answer.

1066
01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:34.039
But the expectation level is usually not
where it ought to be. Sometimes

1067
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:38.680
players have low expectations. They shouldn't. They should have like some high expectations,

1068
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:42.079
you know, and then a lot
of times it's the other way around.

1069
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:45.920
But it just depends on what you
want out of golf. It just

1070
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:50.199
depends what you want out of golf. You can raise your expectations. It's

1071
01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:58.880
okay, I love it, Yeah, I love please do actually exactly exactly

1072
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:05.600
talk about Champion yig dot com.
Sure. Champion dot com is my website

1073
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:12.560
to check out about the mental game
and focus a lot on golfers, but

1074
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:17.399
also other athletes too. So if
this has been interesting for you, check

1075
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:21.239
it out. Let me know what
you think. It's been interesting for me,

1076
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:26.319
Kerrie. I can't tell you how
much I appreciate you sharing this.

1077
01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.000
You going out and doing it first
of all, but then you're sharing it

1078
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.199
with us. Can we pretty much
have an exclusive on this content? And

1079
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:38.199
I hope you get to use it
some other place, just not another podcast,

1080
01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:45.000
please, Okay? For sure.
We briefly talked about last year you

1081
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:49.039
were getting involved in this project where
you were narrating some audio books and I

1082
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:54.520
remember the name Kobe Bryant coming up. What's happened with that? Well,

1083
01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:57.840
I'd love to share about with Kobe
as well as some of the other books

1084
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:01.800
that have happened. Really, yes, yes, it's it's unbelievably exciting for

1085
01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:09.399
me just personally to be part of
these projects. What's happened is Saint Martin

1086
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:15.000
Press is publishing a series of books
called Life Lessons from a Legend, and

1087
01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:20.239
Kobe's was the first one, and
so I've been given against the great opportunity

1088
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:27.279
to narrate and produce the audiobook version
of the book. Toward sink talking about

1089
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:32.640
one percent, that's a Kobe thing. He was all after just improving a

1090
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.439
little bit each and every day.
But you know, it's just like when

1091
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:43.359
Kobe was playing, everyone knew where
to find him on the basketball court,

1092
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.119
you know, wherever he practiced.
If you knew Kobe, that's where you'd

1093
01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:51.039
find him. He was just constantly, you know, improving himself. And

1094
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:58.960
and you know, when asked about
all of his championships and what was really

1095
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:03.720
how he wanted to be looked at
as his legacy, you know, and

1096
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:09.920
this was before the unfortunate passing of
him, he was saying, no,

1097
01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:14.359
it's not about the championships that I
want people to remember. I want people

1098
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:19.079
to remember that you have the ability
to improve and if you go after that

1099
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:24.880
and again this one percent, a
little bit each and every day, you're

1100
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:28.760
going to get to where you want
to go. And that that really touched

1101
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:34.640
me. And his book was profound. I didn't expect it to be as

1102
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:43.039
deeply moving to me personally, but
it was. And it really takes a

1103
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:48.239
huge arc from his beginnings, his
time growing up in Italy, coming back

1104
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:53.439
to the States, you know,
joining the Lakers, and the whole history

1105
01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:59.840
of his journey. The event that
happened in Colorado and him you know,

1106
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:04.680
that really shifted his life and it
was what I got from the book.

1107
01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:11.960
It was like that moment he really
realized his actions matter, his actions affect

1108
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.880
people, and he almost lost his
relationship with his wife, but he he

1109
01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:19.600
got to a point fret, which
I just love is that he was like,

1110
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:26.039
hey, I got a fight for
this relationship, just like I don't

1111
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:30.640
know the exact piece, but it
was a classical piano piece by heart while

1112
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:35.279
he was on the road playing,
like to to show to his wife like

1113
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:42.239
I made a mistake and I'm sorry, but you are my person and you

1114
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.239
know it was. It's an incredible
thing to what he what he did,

1115
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:50.960
and who he was. And so
I was very, as I said,

1116
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:57.319
very touched to do this audiobook.
And then the cool thing with this series,

1117
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:02.359
I've been also been able to interview
the authors of each book and I'll

1118
01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:08.760
share what the books are in a
moment here and to hear about their mental

1119
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:13.800
process and like what it was like
for these authors to write the books on

1120
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:16.319
these guys, and what kind of
research they did, and how do they

1121
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:21.760
decided on what to include a one
not to include amazing and what other books?

1122
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:27.800
All Right, So, so the
next one was on Michael Jordan's Wow,

1123
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:33.640
and then The third one came out
last year on Lebron called Life Lessons

1124
01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:40.199
from the King, and I'm super
excited this year. Later in the year,

1125
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:44.199
two books are going to be coming
out, one on Tom Brady called

1126
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:48.800
Brady Life Lessons from a Legend,
and then the next one at the end

1127
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:54.159
of the year will be on Steph
Curry. And you know, and just

1128
01:24:54.720 --> 01:25:00.239
you know, the the the ability
to to just you know, be in

1129
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:06.239
the studio recording these books and really
thinking about these guys is again human beings.

1130
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:11.159
Like again, like I just love
the mental game on all areas,

1131
01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:15.920
so it comes into my thinking and
realize, like the challenges like Lebron,

1132
01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:20.600
like when he I forget what it
was like fourth grade. He his mom

1133
01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:26.560
just was, you know, unfortunately
in a financial situation moving from one place

1134
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:30.399
to another. He missed like a
ton of days in school that year.

1135
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:35.800
And then like you know, the
basketball people in that community saw him and

1136
01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:40.720
like said, we got to help
this guy and you know, get him

1137
01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:43.359
focused, and they did, and
it was like, you know, when

1138
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:46.239
he was in fifth grade, he
was starting to like coach the younger players,

1139
01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:51.359
and you know, and just the
humanity of what you know, we

1140
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:56.199
we often think of these people as
just you know, they're athletes, their

1141
01:25:56.239 --> 01:26:00.319
stars, they're you know, you
know, they're just amazing, and the

1142
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:05.239
reality is they're human beings and they
go through the same challenges. And then

1143
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:09.520
I question, like, you know, like Steph Curry right now, like

1144
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:13.319
you know, the challenges he has
faced, the injuries, and you know,

1145
01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:17.000
and the team the Warriors to come
back and to you know, and

1146
01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:20.439
and to to have that faith,
have that belief, like you know,

1147
01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:26.840
Clay Thompson after being down for so
long, it wasn't pretty. He talks

1148
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:30.720
about it, how dark it was
at times, you know, in terms

1149
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:34.119
of his doubts, his mental games. So I just think there's so much

1150
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:41.399
to be taken from as golfers about
like all these other great athletes, to

1151
01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:46.000
glean to improve you know, our
game of golf. Incredible. So you

1152
01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:49.520
didn't have any input on the content
of those books. You just did the

1153
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:54.880
audio, You did the narrator correct, Yeah, okay, Okay, again

1154
01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:58.960
they all sound amazing, and I
just want to say thank you once again.

1155
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:03.359
This has been a very long episode, but very productive and insightful.

1156
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:08.359
Carrie, Thanks so much again for
coming back on the show. Fred Aloha,

1157
01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:13.600
and thank you for having me say
goodbye to my dog because she's clearly

1158
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.319
wanting to get out of here.
She's had enough of this. That's why

1159
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:19.760
I had to leave earlier because we
started to have a ring storm. My

1160
01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:23.720
dog was outside, so I was
like, oh, I gotta get her

1161
01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:29.960
in. Well, thanks again,
just loved having bad thing here. Many

1162
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:33.520
many blessings, Fred, Let's stay
in touch, and just I applaud you

1163
01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:39.359
for your success and continuity of commitment
to all of this. So right on,

1164
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:46.000
Bred. As I mentioned during our
conversation, I've been watching Full Swing,

1165
01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:51.439
the Netflix docuseries that takes an inside
look at various players on the PGA

1166
01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:58.760
tour. I'm really enjoying it and
was definitely intrigued with the second episode that

1167
01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:04.439
focuses on struggling Brooks Kepka. Congratulations
are in order because it is really great

1168
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:10.600
television. What I truly loved about
this episode is that we get an inside

1169
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:15.159
portrait of a broken man, one
who has lost his game because of injury

1170
01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:21.159
and mental fatigue and is trying and
failing to find it again. I found

1171
01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:26.119
it so relatable for all of us
to learn from, as we did in

1172
01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:30.279
today's show that as good as these
guys are they still struggle with the same

1173
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:35.000
kind of issues we have obviously,
just at a different level. There are

1174
01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:40.640
eight episodes in the series, and
last night I watched as PGA Tour everyman

1175
01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:45.760
Joel Damon insists that he's not good
enough to win a major and isn't driven

1176
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.600
by being on top of the tour. Well, he cut my eye last

1177
01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:53.960
year because he wears big brim hats
most of the time. I'ven't reached out

1178
01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:58.479
to him last year to discuss why
he doesn't wear baseball caps, but never

1179
01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:01.359
heard from him, probably because he
was being followed by a film crew.

1180
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:04.000
So anyway, check it out.
Let me know what you think of Full

1181
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:10.720
Swing. It's on Netflix. I
want to thank Loretta Maddie of Castro Valley

1182
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:14.119
here in the Bay Area. As
she mentioned she was turned on to golf

1183
01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:17.439
Smarter from another ambassador. We heard
from Jen Shaw because they're both in the

1184
01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:21.800
Bay Area as am I. We
have plans to play together this spring and

1185
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:26.760
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