1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,719 I hate the word routine because it's the wrong word for what we do. 2 00:00:04,759 --> 00:00:09,279 It's more process. It's something that's intentional. It's something that's like not involuntary 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,279 at all. It's voluntary, and I'm keeping track of it as long as 4 00:00:12,279 --> 00:00:15,000 I go, and at the end of the shot, I actually judge the 5 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:18,039 way that shot went based on how the routine was in the process, not 6 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:21,079 on where the ball went. And if I'm good about the process, then 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,839 I know that by the time night ball's gone, I'm still fully engaged. 8 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:29,039 But when I'm voluntarily engaged in the process along the way and then a thought 9 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:32,079 comes in, like a doubt or the wind changes or something like that, 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,280 it's real easy to catch when you're about to hit that anyway shot. So 11 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:41,640 that's how I kind of keep myself honest and try to minimize those shots. 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,920 And it's still really difficult for everybody to do that, But if you can 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,159 keep it to a minimum, and you're gonna probably beat half the field just 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,799 from that. Hi, this is Aldo Maddie from Castro Valley, California, 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,880 and I play at Monarch Bay with another Golf Smarter ambassador, Gen Shaw. 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:03,600 This is Golf Smarter number eight hundred. Stewart said. Six PGA Tour winners 17 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:08,680 reveal their medal game struggles with Kerrie Valentine at the Sony O. This is 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:15,680 Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to help 19 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:19,719 you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:25,920 Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Kerry, Aloha, Fred. 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,400 It is wonderful to be here as always, and it's an honor you 22 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:34,040 are rocking this world with Golf Podcast. So thank you for having me on 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,519 again. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, So welcome back, Aloha. 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,959 It's great to have you because each year now for what is this the fourth 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,400 or fifth year that we've done this like that. Yes, yeah. So 26 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,120 you go out to the Sony Open when the PGA Tour comes to town, 27 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,359 and you bring a little recorder with you and you're there it's practice day. 28 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,840 It's they're out on the range, they're in the putting greens, and you 29 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:05,599 stick a microphone in their face and ask them questions about it's unique questions which 30 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:10,280 I love about their mental game. Yes, it is. Um it's a 31 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:15,400 blast for me to and and and and it's kind of like I'm I'm you 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,960 know, I'm pinching myself as I'm interviewing these guys because, um, I 33 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,319 mean a lot of these guys are just amazing. They're amazing golfers and really 34 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:30,280 cool people and uh you know, yeah, yeah people, and you know 35 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:36,080 they're for you know, I would say for the very most of them. 36 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:38,680 They they're very free with their time with me. You know, they you 37 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:43,240 know, we may have short kind of moments, but they're very present and 38 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,199 they're, um, they answer the questions straight on, which is really cool. 39 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:53,400 Yeah. I did get that sense that they listen to your question and 40 00:02:53,560 --> 00:03:00,319 they respond to your question. Um. It's fascinating because they do seem very 41 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,199 present at least the answers that you gave. Now you interviewed six different people 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,199 that you provided me information on. We have uh JJ Spawn, Jerry Kelly, 43 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:20,439 Joseph Bramlett, kJ Choi, Aaron Rye, and Stewart Sink. And 44 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,199 Stewart Sink gave you a lot of time. You did over thirty minutes with 45 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,360 him. But what we're gonna do is we're gonna we're gonna go bits and 46 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:36,879 pieces here. And I think Stewart Sink the most notable name, the most 47 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:40,960 recognizable name to golfers, and he had so much to share. We're gonna 48 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:46,560 just pick it up right now. We'll start with Stewart Sink and he you 49 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:53,240 knew about this an anyway shot? Yes, Uh, Stewart and I have 50 00:03:53,280 --> 00:04:00,479 talked quite a bit over the years, and so I've in a previous interview 51 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,360 he talked to me about these anyway shots. So that's why I asked about 52 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:10,680 him in this interview. Yeah, so you brought it up and he responded. 53 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:14,639 So let's go right now to Steward Sink at the Sony Open twenty twenty 54 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,360 three with Carrie Valentine and this is on the anyway shot. Ever since I 55 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:25,600 learned about the anyway shot philosophy. That was from a guy named Preston Waddington 56 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,920 back about twenty years ago when I used to talk to him, and it 57 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 just it crystallized in my mind that you know, that's basically hitting a shot 58 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,879 when you're distracted, or when you're having a doubt or or a second thought 59 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:40,560 or something, anytime you're not really fully engaged to execute, it's an anyway 60 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,879 shot. Oh, because grandiosity tells you, like, I'm good enough to 61 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:46,680 hit this anyway. You know, it's still gonna turn out good because I'm 62 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:53,240 talented, I've practiced, everything will be okay, you know whatever. Those 63 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,759 are fine philosophies, but they're not very professional philosophies, and so one of 64 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,680 my goals for long time now has been to avoid those anyway shots. And 65 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:05,199 I found it more and more challenging over the years because as I'm getting close 66 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:10,639 to fifty now through fifty in May of this year, that my focus is 67 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:12,800 just not as strong and sharp as it used to be, nor do I 68 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,680 have the longevity of focus that I used to do. So I have to 69 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:21,600 really manage my energy, and part of that conservation of energy leads to a 70 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,480 better chance to be having less anyway shots, because it's all about recognition, 71 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,720 you know, and I'm pretty good usually at understanding the way my body signals 72 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,439 are are flashing, and if I'm fatigue or if i'm you know, if 73 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:39,759 I'm just I don't ever feel physically tired, but if I'm mentally just a 74 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,680 little bit like washed from too much the day before or from a lot of 75 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,879 weeks in a row of being in contingent, then I don't recognize any way 76 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:49,240 shots as well, and those hurt me. Is there a way that you 77 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,160 kind of almost kind of recognize it as it's happening, or before it's happening, 78 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:59,399 that you're learning or mastering that, or do you also share that with 79 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,439 your caddy, like if you see me do this? If you or do 80 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:09,240 you even say a clue like to help your caddy keep you on focus? 81 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:14,120 Well, I don't really, I've never said to a caddy if you see 82 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,120 me do this. The reason for that is that the difference in the routine 83 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:19,360 leading up the shot is imperceptible to the outsider. For the most part. 84 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:25,399 It all happens between the ears and the way I. The way I would 85 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:29,519 do it is more like before the shot, I like to use like verbal 86 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,800 intentionality, and I like to tell my caddy almost in a kind of a 87 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:35,800 watch this kind of a way, like I'm about to show off. And 88 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,279 it's there's a fine line between like arrogance and confidence. I mean, yeah, 89 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:42,720 arrogance is something you have to have to be able to compete out here, 90 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:44,959 but it's not something you need to display outwardly. You know. I 91 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,040 don't want to be an arrogant, you know what. But at the same 92 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,879 time, I do want to be an arrogant, you know what, when 93 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,399 it comes to hitting my drive on the first hole or you know, getting 94 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:56,079 up and down on the last green or whatever, arrogance is key. So 95 00:06:56,439 --> 00:07:00,240 I like to state my intentions what I'm going to do and verbally, like 96 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,759 actually say it out loud, so that number one, it keeps me accountable. 97 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,240 My caddy knows that I'm into the shot. And then the actual routine 98 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,759 itself is something that's not just I hate the word routine because it's the wrong 99 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:15,879 word for what we do. It's more process. It's something that's intentional and 100 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,319 something that's like not involuntary at all. It's voluntary, and I'm keeping track 101 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:23,360 of it as long as I go, and at the end of the shot, 102 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:26,959 I actually judge the way that shot went based on how the routine was 103 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,639 in the process, not on where the ball went. And if I'm good 104 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,199 about the process, then I know that by the time that ball's gone that 105 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:41,040 I'm still fully engaged. But when I'm voluntarily engaging the process along the way 106 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:44,560 and then a thought comes in, like a doubt or the wind changes or 107 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,879 something like that, it's real easy to catch when you're about to hit that 108 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,319 any way shot. So that's that's how I kind of keep myself honest and 109 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,199 try to minimize those shots. And you know, it's still really difficult for 110 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,120 everybody to do that, but if you can keep it to a minimum, 111 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,079 you're gonna probably beat half the field just from that. Is that is that 112 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:09,160 kind of anchor or that intention, that affirmation that you do. Is that 113 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,920 something you could share? You know, what you say to yourself before you 114 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,639 You mean, like the when I like the stating the verbal intentions. Oh 115 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,319 no, it's it's not always the same. It's about the shot. It's 116 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,079 like I'm I'm gonna take five yards off the six iron, and I'm going 117 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,639 to write at that bush. You know, we've already talked about it, 118 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,959 like I like this bush. He might say, I think it's more posts, 119 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,240 you know, behind the green. We always pick out targets, very 120 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:39,480 rarely flatstick. Almost always something behind the behind the green or the fairway. 121 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,519 But I'll just verbally state my intentions and it's usually has to do with the 122 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,679 shot, and it's usually like I'm taking up you know, it's a full 123 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:52,360 six right at that bush, or it's ten yards off this nine iron, 124 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,960 a low punch right at the left edge of the trap. You know, 125 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,720 that's the kind of thing I'm doing. Yes, and then from that point 126 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:01,159 on it it's up to me to get in the process and to produce that 127 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:07,080 shot. And then we'll spend a few seconds analyzing the results, like, 128 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,360 WHOA, that played a lot longer than I thought, or oh, you 129 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:11,919 know, I was a little distracted on that and I hit it anyway, 130 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,960 so that's an anyway shot. And so but we try not to linger too 131 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:20,279 much on the judgment. We try to really try to create a non judgment 132 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,639 or a judgment free zone out there. So much for all of us to 133 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:31,200 learn from everything he just said. Correct, Yes, Oh, I mean 134 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,320 there were so many things that were just so valuable. That's why I wanted 135 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:39,399 to kick it off with that, because your intention when you're talking to these 136 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,440 guys, you want to talk about the mental game because of what you do, 137 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,679 but you also get into religion, which we'll do that with Stewart Sink 138 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:54,759 later on and some of the other players that you talked to. Fascinating that 139 00:09:54,799 --> 00:10:00,519 you also were aware that his son was his caddy last year, not doing 140 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:03,879 it this year. Yeah, but you talk to him a lot about his 141 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,519 son being his caddy. I'm just gonna go right to it. Is a 142 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,159 son's name is Reagan. And here's what he had to say. Curious about 143 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,720 your relationship with you know, Reagan in terms of him being your caddy and 144 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:22,120 like, because he knows you so well, did he also like kind of 145 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,639 know how to manage you on the course and even beyond the course after to 146 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:31,000 help you, you know, because it seemed like you guys had such great 147 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:33,000 success together. We did, and I think he can point to a couple 148 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:39,039 of things. So the second part of your question, how did he manage 149 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,519 me? And did he understand how to do that? I think that's something 150 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,679 that he probably didn't know how to do until we started getting into the tournaments, 151 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:48,679 because he's seen me play a lot of times, and vice first, 152 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,159 I've seen him play a lot. You know, we play together at home 153 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:56,559 quite often, especially during COVID, but he's never seen like the nervous and 154 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,559 the under pressure side of me as much because at home, I'm pretty relaxed, 155 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,240 and I can you know, when you're in that relaxed state, you 156 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,200 can pretty much do what you want to do with the golf ball, and 157 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:09,399 out here, you know, you can have other forces that kind of affects 158 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:13,320 you psychologically and emotionally, and it's a little different ballgame. And I don't 159 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,919 think there's one player that's competing in Sony Opened this week who would say otherwise. 160 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:22,919 So Reagan learned how to deal with that golfer as we went. Now, 161 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,919 going back to the first part, what was it about, you know, 162 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,240 our relationship and how it turned into a good, successful partnership out here, 163 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:37,200 I think the biggest things is that two components of any relationship got immediately 164 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:48,120 wiped off the table, and that was judgment and conflict. I've obviously known 165 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,360 Reagan since before he was born, and likewise since he was born, he's 166 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:56,200 known me, so we had this inherent trust for each other in relationship. 167 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,960 And he's a bright kid, and he knows golf really well. His golf 168 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,720 IQ on the courses like elite like a tour player. Now he can't quite 169 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,080 play golf like a tour player, but he knows the way the ball is 170 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,759 going to bounce and react in the wind and all that stuff. He's excellent 171 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:15,320 attack, very high IQ for golf sou and knowing that I trusted him with 172 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,360 his decision making and he always dis trusted me with mine. In fact, 173 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,080 he learned a lot about how to play different shots and how to read lies 174 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,840 and how to you know, strategize on the course from me from playing with 175 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:28,759 me. So it was a lot like having a little bit of myself out 176 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:35,159 there Caddy. And but the unconditional love that comes along with the father and 177 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,200 son relationship and a good, healthy relationship like ours, that really did away 178 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:46,480 with any of the judgment and the conflict that can be present with other caddy 179 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,600 player relationships. I mean, it's just a normal part of any two human 180 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:52,919 beings being in a relationship. But with him and I, that part of 181 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,399 it was not a factor, And because it wasn't a factor, it ended 182 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,000 up being a huge factor, you know, in our success. Is there 183 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,720 things that you've taken from that relationship, that experience and maybe like was you 184 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:09,960 hadn't had that before with a caddy. You go, oh my gosh. 185 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,320 As they go forward, I'm gonna make sure we talk about this or that 186 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,279 Caddy holds me up to this kind of standard or things. One thing that 187 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,360 I learned with Reagan myself was that I was really open and free to talk 188 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,279 to him and tell them how I was feeling and tell them if I was 189 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:26,759 afraid, or tell them if I was confident, or you know anything. 190 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,240 Sometimes we hide behind those things, and so with Reagan, I was never 191 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,399 afraid to tell them how it felt. And I felt like that was a 192 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:41,200 really good a good takeaway for me that being outwardly verbal. You know, 193 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,799 I can't remember where I got the quote, but someone told me that. 194 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Abraham Lincoln one time said a problem shared as a problem halved. That's a 195 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:52,960 great quote. And I just always felt like if I was feeling weird about 196 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,279 a shot, or if I was having some indecision, it was always best 197 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,320 to get it out there and say something, and the problems halved, you 198 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,879 know. And it just felt like a good thing to do. And there's 199 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,559 nothing new. I think a lot of players use that tactic, but I 200 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,480 learned that about myself with Reagan, and so I've definitely kind of vowed to 201 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,240 keep that going now that I've got Scott satch Night worded woman, and I 202 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:22,679 agree with you on that idea of problems shared is half and I think it 203 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,440 depends on the individual with their their emotional temperance as well, Like you can 204 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,000 just say stuff, but I think the way you are and the deep thinker, 205 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:39,039 and especially I'm just assuming like with Reagan, like that actually helped me 206 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:45,120 leave. I'd imagine some of the stresser or the emotional things going on by 207 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:48,200 sharing it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It just you can say 208 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:54,360 the same sentence in two very slightly different ways and it comes across way different. 209 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,440 Like let's say I was guiding for you and I felt like that the 210 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:00,080 yards we have on this one, part three is a perfect set. And 211 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,360 I could either say this is the perfect club and give you the confidence to 212 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:07,440 go and you know, like, well I can be free on this and 213 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,399 this is the perfect club. Or I could say, if you hit this 214 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,000 solid, it should be perfect. What does that tell you? Because that 215 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:16,679 tells me don't not hit solid right, And the last thing you want to 216 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:20,639 be thinking about on the golf shot is contact right. So both of them 217 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:24,440 said the same thing, and if you asked, you know, a bystandards, 218 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,159 they'd probably say, well, there's no difference, but the way that 219 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:31,200 that translates into the way a player can like execute that next shot matters. 220 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:37,399 And when you add that up over four days of seventy two holes of golf 221 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:39,440 and a lot of shots and a lot of variety and variables out there. 222 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:43,039 Some shots are dead perfect set up for you, and some of them are 223 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,279 decidedly not. If just it all adds up, you know, to may 224 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,320 make four or five six shots difference out there, and that's the difference between 225 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:56,559 being in contention for winning in thirtieth place or worst. I don't know about 226 00:15:56,559 --> 00:15:58,720 you, but if you would have said to me, well, if I 227 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,840 was your caddy, I would I'm like, oh my god, I can't 228 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,960 imagine being my caddy. That was so cool. Yes, definitely, and 229 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:15,000 it's so profound because of their relationship. I think that was really a big 230 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,840 part of how Stewart was able to win two times. You know, I 231 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:30,279 was two years ago, and just because he's very he's you know, he's 232 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:34,320 very aware of those emotions and those doubts, and he speaks about him and 233 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:41,159 his relationship with Reagan to really work that out in the moment. I feel 234 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:47,360 that was a big plus for his success that was going on with him. 235 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:52,000 It's incredible that he would have that kind of relationship that open free, he 236 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,840 said, open and free relationship of conversation with your son and not you know, 237 00:16:57,879 --> 00:17:03,320 and let your son get your two kids two cents in and make you 238 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,559 know, suggestions and criticism and being open to it. That's really that's really 239 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:12,319 impressive. I agree. I agree, and it worked to be a great, 240 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,359 great pairing. Yeah, remarkable. All right, let's take a time 241 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,160 out. We'll be back. We've got coming up JJ spawn, Jerry Kelly, 242 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:30,720 Joseph Bramlett, kJ CHOI after the break. So Karrie, before we 243 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:34,480 get back into some more of these amazing interviews that you've done and shared with 244 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:38,319 us, and I really appreciate I don't know what else you're doing with them, 245 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:45,519 but I really appreciate you letting us have them here because most interviews that 246 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:49,200 are done with these guys don't talk about the mental game, and this is 247 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:53,160 such a treat to be able to have this kind of insight into what a 248 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:59,920 tour player goes through and helps us to recognize that they really have a lot 249 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:03,480 of the same issues that we do out there. It's incredible, right Fred, 250 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,079 the you know, the from the guys that I coach from you know, 251 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:14,160 amateur level to semi pro to pro level, and then talking to these 252 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,519 guys, you go they're going through the same things, and some are willing 253 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,759 to talk about and deal with it more than others, and and you see 254 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:29,160 it. It's kind of fascinating. Tell me about JJ spond JJ. JJ 255 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,720 is so cool. I had a chance to meet him and kind of like 256 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,279 his first year coming out, you know, from the corn Ferry tour, 257 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:41,400 and so we chatted from that point on and and have had this kind of 258 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:47,799 similar kind of friendly relationship that I've had with Stuart Sink. So it's just 259 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:52,079 been great to talk with JJ over the years and see him, you know, 260 00:18:52,279 --> 00:19:02,960 his his ability and his championship qualities come out and it's and just like 261 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,799 Howie has shared with me over the years, he's had to get adjusted to 262 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,680 each level, you know, from high school to college to the pro and 263 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:18,279 different different nuances with each but JJ is it's just he wears it on his 264 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,599 shirt, you know. It's like he'll tell you like it is. And 265 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,400 he's a really cool guy. Awesome. Well, but another back and forth 266 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,839 conversation that you had with him talking about goals and his mental game, and 267 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,000 here it is, JJ spawn. My initial goal is to win again and 268 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:41,599 to put myself in contention really to win as much as I can. So 269 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,200 that's that's the process I can really control. And then you know, hopefully 270 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,359 when I'm in contention, I can pull it off. But I think we're 271 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,960 kind of doing a good you know, we're off to a good start and 272 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,440 we're doing the right things. So I'm just trying to stick to what I've 273 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,799 been doing the last year year and a half now that's been working out nicely 274 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:59,200 for me. When you went at the Valerio, was there any moments when 275 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,640 you felt like you're in the zone, like something different was happening. And 276 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,200 if so, I mean you you hear about it, and you talk about 277 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,519 it, and you hear other people talking about being in the zone, and 278 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:15,960 it's it's a weird kind of flow. I want to say that you can't 279 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:19,640 really force because you would love to be in that all the time. But 280 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:23,200 I think the thing that I noticed the most was the sense of calm I 281 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,079 had when I was in those really high pressure situations, you know, coming 282 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:33,160 down the back nine with the lead, and I think that's what the zone 283 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:34,480 is, and you kind of feel like you can't hit a bad shot or 284 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:38,400 you can't hit a bad put. So, um, I think the hardest 285 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,519 thing is trying to yeah, capture that, you know, day in and 286 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:44,920 day out, no matter if it's the first round or the last round, 287 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,000 but you know, I think that's the peak performance where you want to be 288 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,440 in order to you know, win and play your best. Did you find 289 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:57,119 like you did something different that week or you know, or something was going 290 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,640 on differently? Yeah? No, UM, it's funny that you bring it 291 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,279 up because it's kind of like the second time this happened, which was last 292 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:08,319 week, where I didn't do I didn't overwork too much. Um. I 293 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:14,039 played a lot of golf leading up to that week and at Valero, and 294 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,680 UM, I had a week off at home and I didn't touch a club 295 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,519 at all in the off week, which isn't normal for me normally I'm working 296 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:23,720 on something. But I felt so confident where my game was that I didn't 297 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,200 really feel like I needed to I'd rather just rest. And so we got 298 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:32,119 there on Monday of the tournament. You know, I came. I went 299 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,119 there with my family and you know, our daughters. She was a year 300 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,680 and a half at that time. But there's a water park, so it 301 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,559 was a big family affair. Yeah. Yeah, So we were just kind 302 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,960 of like hanging out and you know, I practiced a little bit here and 303 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,640 there. I didn't even play all eighteen holes in a practice round. Um, 304 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,480 and just kind of went in there, not with any expectations, but 305 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:57,000 not any not low expectations, but just I felt confident that I was going 306 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:02,240 to have a good week. And you know, I kind of put myself 307 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,519 in position, you know, after Thursday and Friday to be right there, 308 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:07,960 and I didn't change, you know, I still hung out with my family, 309 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,359 went to the water park and just chilled out. But um, and 310 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,799 I kind of did that last week in Maui. I didn't really do too 311 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,599 much practicing. I just played the course to see it, and my wife 312 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,000 literally put a five hour time limit on my practicing so I could, you 313 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,960 know, spend time with them in a beautiful place we've never been to before. 314 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:29,799 So and end up being another good week. You know, it was 315 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,599 I kind of had a chance to win, so you know, maybe this 316 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,880 is something that I need to try to do a little more often during the 317 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,359 rounds to between on the off time. How did you feel Was there any 318 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,000 kind of added pressure or anythings that were going on in the head or it 319 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:48,880 was kind of pretty silent. No, I mean I think I didn't really 320 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:55,160 have the outright lead I co led. I think after Saturday and yeah, 321 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,000 I mean you start to hear, you know, the voices in your head 322 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,160 speaking to you, and you know, what what could this mean to you 323 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,119 in your career? And you know, next week it's Augusta and you've got 324 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,799 people texting you stuff like that where it's hard to just completely shut it out. 325 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:12,880 So I think the most human thing was to, yeah, accept it, 326 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,160 think about it, and just try to forget it and move on and 327 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,160 just stay focused on what I can control the next day. And I think 328 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,960 I did a pretty good job of that, you know, mentally, and 329 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,680 you know, I think I'll lean on that experience, you know, as 330 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:34,119 other opportunities come. Does this ever has ever happened? Like you're standing over 331 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,720 a three foot put and yeah, you hear like, oh man, you're 332 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,039 gonna blow this, like you got so many times? If that, how 333 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,960 do you address that in yourself? Well, I just like to think, 334 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,200 like, if I'm ever nervous over a shot, especially a pretty not simple 335 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,319 but a typical shot, I just like to tell myself I've done this a 336 00:23:53,359 --> 00:24:00,440 million times, and just because it's in a given context or situation, like 337 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,279 it's no different than if I was out here, you know, by myself. 338 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,440 It's still me in the hole and three feet of grass and you know, 339 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:11,279 a ball to roll into that hole. So I think that's the best 340 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,400 way to have, you know, some to have a perspective like that, 341 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,920 to kind of dump things down instead of putting too much pressure, because that 342 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:23,920 ultimately can you know, make you a little more anxious over shots or get 343 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,279 in your own way, and especially if you get in your own head. 344 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,039 Absolutely, if you get in your own head. What I absolutely loved is 345 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,839 that you asked him about the tension of a three foot put on the tour 346 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,119 level, these guys worry about that three foot or two. I mean, 347 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:45,160 they're just golfers, man, but it's just a different level with more pressure. 348 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,759 But they still struggle with the things that we struggle with for sure, 349 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:55,400 definitely, and even the young ones. Yeah, for the young cocky ones. 350 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,440 Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's a new show that just was 351 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:04,519 released on Netflix as we're talking, called Full Swing, and it's like this 352 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:11,160 docuseries about the PGA Tour. And I watched episode one last night and it's 353 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,799 interesting because in episode one, it's Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas, and Jordan 354 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:22,160 Spieth is talking about how good he felt going into the tournament. How you 355 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,920 know, like with JJ was talking about I was feeling good, I'm feeling 356 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,440 and he had a terrible tournament, right, So you know, no matter 357 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,319 how you're feeling, you just don't know once you get onto the golf course. 358 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,799 It's a completely different thing. Now going to the other end of the 359 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:40,519 spectrum. You talked to a youngster. Now we're going to go back to 360 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,000 someone you had a conversation with and we shared last year with Jerry Kelly. 361 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:52,079 But still issues with the mental game. Even when you're battling between whether you're 362 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,039 gonna be on the PGA Tour or on the Senior Tour, there's Jerry Kelly. 363 00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,839 As the year begins, do you look back at last year and do 364 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,680 any resetting, revision, kind of set different goals and things like that for 365 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,880 this year. Oh, there's no question. You have to every single year. 366 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,680 Uh, you know, you have to give yourself some some lower goals 367 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,279 to achieve towards the higher goals. So you know, I'm always looking to 368 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,960 just win the first tournament, and then we're looking to win a major, 369 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,680 and then we're looking to finish it off with the Schwab Cup. We start 370 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,720 that way every single year, I mean to culminate it. When I was 371 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,240 on the PGA Tour, I'd say I'd want to be, you know, 372 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,440 number one in the world, which was a tall order because Tiger and I 373 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,359 were rookies at the same time, so I'd never achieved that one. Uh. 374 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,400 But you know, you give yourself the low goals and the high goals 375 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,400 so you can step your way through it. I was curious, what are 376 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,880 like those smaller incremental goals to keep you motivated through it all? Right now, 377 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,319 it's it's it's just a just win a tournament, you know, just 378 00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:00,240 just win. I mean back in the day, you could have said, 379 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,440 okay, you know, secure your top one twenty five, you know, 380 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,319 and then it would be a win, and then it would be but out 381 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,359 in, out of the champions toured. Yet you know that that win is 382 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:17,519 what I'm after every single time. So when then when a major win multiple 383 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:22,160 times, when the Schwap Cup, that's it. How many tournaments on the 384 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,359 PGA side do you play a season, you know at this point, I 385 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,480 mean usually one, maybe two. So I always play the sony which this 386 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,400 may be my swan song right here. Uh, twenty fifth straight sony, 387 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:38,759 so uh, and then I've I'm in the players because I won the Senior 388 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,599 Players, so you know, unless we win majors, we don't get exemptions 389 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:47,680 into any of the tournaments. But yeah, those are those are my two 390 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:52,559 this year. Is there a different kind of gear you playing from you know 391 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,880 at this point playing on the sony, you know, playing in this tournament 392 00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:02,200 unfortunately champions unfortunately, Like well, it just you know, you just you 393 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,839 get more adrenaline and you try and hit it harder, and that's usually detrimental. 394 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,480 So I need to understand my adrenaline. And yeah, you know, 395 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:15,480 I'm just finally, you know, feeling pretty good about relaxing into it rather 396 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:19,759 than fighting into it. I've fought into it my entire career. But we've 397 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,720 got to try something a little different as I'm getting older. Has there been 398 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:29,200 a mental game challenge that you've seen, like maybe over the last year or 399 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,119 over the last few years, that you've overcome, and like, if so, 400 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,240 how did you do that? Now? I haven't overcome any of my 401 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:40,839 mental challenges. They are they are all still there, all very prominent and 402 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,559 something I work on every single day. So yeah, you're working with the 403 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,720 mental game coach. You know, I've been through you know, ten or 404 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,039 fifteen of them, and I took something from every single one of them. 405 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:57,039 And you know, at my age, it's it's not trying to reinvent the 406 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:03,680 wheel or do anything different. It's just, you know, understanding how detrimental 407 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:10,240 thought processes will affect your attitude rather than just trying to be positive through some 408 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:14,240 difficult times. And everybody knows it's not easy, but that's what we all 409 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,119 trying to do. It's easier on the islands, that's for sure. It's 410 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,160 easier on the islands. Yeah, low stress right on the islands. But 411 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,880 I really find it interesting that, you know, you ask all these guys 412 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,920 about their mental coaches, and none of them seem to be employed, but 413 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,799 they all know how important the mental game is. It's such an amazing point 414 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,599 you just mentioned, Fred, that every golfer right is going to say the 415 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:48,480 mental game is such a big component, and yet not everyone is willing to 416 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:56,319 take themselves on and willing to really improve themselves. And it's fascinating to me 417 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,880 that as golfers, especially at this level, will say these things and then 418 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:06,519 not do anything really about it. So, you know, you hear like 419 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,200 like with Jerry. Yeah, he's worked with different guys. But if to 420 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,559 me, if you're still having the same problems, then you haven't addressed the 421 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:22,599 issue that and they can be addressed and it's only going to make your play 422 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,799 that much better, lower your scores, feel more fulfilled, and also improve 423 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,839 your life, you know, as a person. Yeah, so these are 424 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,039 Yeah, that's why he said, I deal with the mental challenges every single 425 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,960 day. Yeah, and you don't need to know I'm not familiar with Joseph 426 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,720 Bramlett. What do you know about him that you can share with us before 427 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,720 we listen to him a little bit. Yeah, Joseph on the mental game. 428 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,440 He's going to be talking about the medical journal. You know, Joseph 429 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,720 is one of also those up and coming golfers. He had I believe a 430 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:02,000 back issue for a number of years that took him out of the game, 431 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,319 and you know he's coming back and you know, in the last few tournaments 432 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,440 he's been up on the leaderboard here and there, So that's been exciting to 433 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,920 see him. And also, uh, he's he's by racial So the diversity 434 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:22,000 aspect for golf I think is really important to understand, no, and keep 435 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:29,440 keep bringing people from around the world of into the golf game. Joseph Bramlett. 436 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,359 Yeah, the mental golf is golf. It's all about the mental game. 437 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,920 So um, it's a huge influence on on who perform as well who 438 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,400 doesn't and uh and how the leaderboard shakes out. Does let's say, one 439 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,680 or two bad shots start to kind of you know, affect you in the 440 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,319 mind and kind of like you know, to readjust and reassess and if that 441 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:53,519 does happen, what do you do to make it to like shift down on 442 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,160 that? Yeah, I mean, I think one of the keys to golf 443 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,039 is being able to stay present and stay in the moment that you're in. 444 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,519 So it sounds very cliche, but at the root of it, that's really 445 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,480 what it's all about. So um, yeah, I mean the biggest definitely 446 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,079 every one of us. When we hit bad shots, it definitely pisses us 447 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:14,559 off and we were fired up and we don't like it. And you see 448 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:15,680 two in a row and you wonder if it's a pattern, but you just 449 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,640 try to sort through them and then figure out if there's something going on or 450 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,240 if it was just two loose swings, and then apply whatever you need to 451 00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:29,839 for the next shot, But now that a presence is really what's important and 452 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,319 to have that as well as to kind of find like that inspiration. Is 453 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:38,400 there anything that you kind of pull from like during around to kind of like 454 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,720 keep in that inspired space. Is there thoughts? All? We have all 455 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,480 kinds of little things we pull on from the cookie jar. Yeah, I've 456 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,759 got a lot, and this is this has been my dream since I was 457 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:55,799 five years old. So I've got plenty of memories and inspiration and reasons from 458 00:32:55,799 --> 00:33:00,680 within that motivate me to work really really art. And uh, you know 459 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:05,440 the reason I do that is to performing well out here. So things are 460 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,119 going poorly or if it feels like it's not my day, you definitely have 461 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,400 to pull from some of that and remember that, yeah here for a reasons 462 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,920 you need to get the job done right. And then like that thought, 463 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,519 like you said, like it's not your day, Well that's that moment, 464 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,880 right, like you said, being in the present. There's a fleading thoughts 465 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,400 that we all experience and it's it's a part of everyone's game. But it's 466 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,640 a matter of how you sort through them and how you how you interpret them. 467 00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,440 And yeah, it's it's just a thought, doesn't make it real U. 468 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:36,640 But yeah, there's definitely days that you have three or four lipouts in 469 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,000 a row and you wonder if somebody up above is picking on you or not. 470 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:45,400 Yeah, speaking of that, do you have particular goals or kind of 471 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:50,839 kind of plans that's like especially now starting the year, Like like you look 472 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,960 back at the year past and go, Okay, here's what it was good, 473 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:57,400 here's what it was challenged, And if so, what are those things 474 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,000 that you look to make a change for this year. Yeah, I mean 475 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,920 I have little parts throughout my entire game that you know, I'm looking to 476 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,440 get better at, and I've got you know, specific things to what I 477 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,880 do that I think if I can really clean up, it can really take 478 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,119 me to another level. And all of that is just part of my question 479 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:19,760 to get my first win out here. You know, that's really the page 480 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,679 I'm on right now. So the biggest goal is to get that win, 481 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,239 and I've got a lot of smaller goals within my game that will hopefully give 482 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,800 me there. Stay present and be in the moment. It's, you know, 483 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,840 something we hear so frequently, but it's so tough to do when things 484 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,440 when you like yeah, he said two bad shots? Is it just me? 485 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,199 Or what am I doing? Right? And doesn't that happen to all 486 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,440 of us? Oh yeah? And then the key again is turned into round 487 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:53,360 and not be affected by those bad quote unquote bad shots and just reassess what's 488 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,360 the next target. That's trust, trust your swing, trust what you're doing 489 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,960 instead of questioning with every shot, don't do that, don't go there all 490 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,360 right, this one, this one, we're gonna go to kJ Choi. 491 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,519 Um, you just asked him about his mental game and he just riffed on 492 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:14,280 it. And we're gonna do this one will and we'll go right into a 493 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,719 break right after this with kJ Choi, I think maya quite long um and 494 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:29,119 uh pray and then um um Jesus and God and thanks for and the mentally 495 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,320 okay watching me and the practicing is a more better, you know, um 496 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:44,280 focus playing a lot and still play a lot. And the human thing in 497 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,960 the body, it's a little old, but a little spirit in the come 498 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:57,280 through uh and in the liquever everything. Um, still tough, but always 499 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:04,760 a younger player a little a little more every day and I'm practicing and then 500 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,519 how much you know, there's a no change is a continual play and I'm 501 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:19,800 practicing and on more strong minds and plus and the prey it's a more better 502 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,280 and so my opinions, yes, So when I'm hearing you say you bring 503 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,159 to your connection with God and your faith, you bring that into your play 504 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,960 when you're playing, and that helps a lot for you. Yeah, it's 505 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:45,079 some Some tournaments are not not gray comfortable, but some tournaments and very incomfortable 506 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:51,239 either. Um, you know feeling, you know that's right. The bad 507 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,760 feeling is a more prey and then more enjoy play. Not too good today, 508 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:02,480 So dudge matters always a god love me and continue people love me? 509 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,599 Is because angry shot but never showing to not angry, So why kJ not 510 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,880 angry? So normal people say, oh that shot is angry in the broken 511 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,679 club and then something wrong you know, and then never never do it in 512 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:22,800 the last twenty four years in the PA too, in the Champions Tour, 513 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,679 many younger player and then look at me, why do that? It's a 514 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,840 yeah, I keep keep it up and not practicing and then pray, so 515 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:38,280 always watching you. You know it's something wrong, it's not give me give 516 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:45,760 you any present it's not and then keep it up and a young player. 517 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,639 Going back to kJ CHOI for a moment. There were times where I wasn't 518 00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,679 sure if he was saying play or pray. But then when you heard him 519 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,920 say play, oh, no, he was actually saying pray. Yes. 520 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,800 Yes, I didn't know that part about him, that of his deep faith. 521 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:17,199 And actually that's what got him into the movie Seven Days in Utopia and 522 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,239 he played t k Oh And I don't know that movie. You mentioned it 523 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840 in the internet. Tell me about that, and he was involved in it. 524 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:30,960 What was there? It's a great golf movie and really yes, yes, 525 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:36,079 and Lucas Black was in it as an actor, but he is also 526 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:40,719 a really good golfer. And Robert Duval was in it. And Robert Duval 527 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,599 plays like, you know, the the old golfer and kind of he helps 528 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:53,960 Lucas Black get back into his game because Lucas has different anger issues and he's 529 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,719 you know, trending in his at the PGA level in the movie and he 530 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:06,920 just like you know, it just bottoms out at one point and and then 531 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:14,000 he kind of connects up with Robert Duval about how to transform the anger and 532 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:19,599 through his mental game. So is a beautiful film and a powerful film and 533 00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:23,559 I highly recommend it to any golfer. Yeah, oh absolutely, that's great 534 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:29,079 recommendation. Thank you. So a lot of these conversations that you have, 535 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:35,760 you go from mental game into their faith and the religious belief and the strength 536 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,840 of it and how it influences Why do you do that great question? It 537 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,440 just happens naturally in some cases, Fred, I don't even intend it. 538 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,519 But it's just because the mental game, the vulnerability, that feeling of the 539 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,360 you know, the darkness of the monsters quote unquote, right, the demons. 540 00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:01,960 It often brings up the thoughts of our spirituality and what is really going 541 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:08,079 on. And you know, from my perspective and from my experience of doing 542 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:13,760 so much research on the mind and the mental game, not just for golfers, 543 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,119 but for people in general, I have come to understand that the doubts 544 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,440 are actually our friends. They're not our enemies. They're trying to help us. 545 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,159 But they come up in the voice of the negative. It's like it's 546 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:34,480 like the you know, the good and the good aspect, but coming out 547 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:38,199 in the wolves clothings, you know, and it's challenging. What happens is 548 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:45,800 the doubts challenge our resolve and they're testing to see. Basically, we're about 549 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,000 to be on the doorstep of success. Are we ready and willing to really 550 00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,239 be in that space and claim it? That's why, like I bring it 551 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,199 up about a three foot put on the eighteenth hole to win a championship. 552 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,920 You know so many times guys here you're going to blow this put. And 553 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,559 the point of it is you're about to win. You're about to sink this 554 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:14,719 put. But if you don't understand the language of the subconscious with the conscious, 555 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,320 then you think it's enough right to have a little sweaty palm, enough 556 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,920 to just take your pregame preshot routine off for that three foot put and you 557 00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,000 lose, or you miss it and you lose. Or the guy or woman 558 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:36,280 who understands this actually when they hear that, they laugh and they go, 559 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,599 oh, I know I'm about to have success. Why because I just heard 560 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:44,519 in my head you're about to blow this, and I know now how to 561 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:50,039 turn this around and stay calm, breathe read, read the put, sink 562 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,239 the hall, win the championship. Awesome. You do a lot of that. 563 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:58,079 That part of the conversation. In the next one we're going to listen 564 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,239 to, which is a little bit longer. I'm just gonna let this one 565 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,400 go. This is just over ten minutes. We're gonna have a conversation here 566 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,639 with Aaron rye Um. Tell me about him. He's another young hot player 567 00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:16,639 coming up for sure. What I mostly knew previously to to talking with Aaron 568 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:25,519 was that he has the world record for the most pots ten foot puts in 569 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:30,639 a row ten feet in under, world record for ten foot and under puts 570 00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:35,199 in a row. Yes, on tour, No, like it was a 571 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,480 competition, coetition, Oh, okay, okay, And he sunk. He 572 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,840 sunk two hundred and seven puts in a row at that and that was like 573 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,400 his third attempt. He told me. His first attempt he did, he 574 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,679 got seven. Then the second attempt he got forty, and the record at 575 00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,360 that time was one hundred and thirty six. So he blew it out of 576 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,519 the water. So I was fascinated. I was like, I gotta talk 577 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:07,559 to this guy. Well, let's listen to it right now. This is 578 00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:12,400 Aaron. Right. It's probably the most important aspect of the game because we 579 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,639 can group the mental side on how the pre shot routine is, how calm 580 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,960 you are over your shot, how well you visualize it how clear you are 581 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,199 in your mind, how you can think of the right thoughts but clear the 582 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,480 other thoughts out of it. And that's not to mention mental game goes into 583 00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,159 how well you react to mistakes, how well you deal with adversity, how 584 00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:35,599 well you can ride good waves of momentum as well, and within all of 585 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:40,079 those things, that's that's a significant part of golf. So if that part 586 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:44,840 of the game can be sharp, then then it can take you a long 587 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,800 way. I was curious when you did your world record of was it two 588 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,719 hundred and seven parts of ten feet? Yeah, did you have any you 589 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,679 know, kind of facts if you remember back then, like any doubt set 590 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,559 were coming up, like can you really do this or things like that, 591 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,719 and how did you overcome that if that happened during that time, Yeah, 592 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,760 definitely. So that was my third attempt. My previous two attempts, I 593 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,960 think on the first run I maybe made seven. Second run, I think 594 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,000 I got two about forty and so obviously in the world record I think was 595 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:27,199 one hundred and thirty six at that point, So previous two times, I 596 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,000 obviously I didn't make it there. But then I thought it's rather than trying 597 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:37,480 to see it as me get into forty eighty one thirty just seeing in cycles 598 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,440 of ten, and then when I got to ten, I just started again 599 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,159 at one and then kept on going. So again we're talking about the mental 600 00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,199 side of it. That just really helped to keep me quite present and not 601 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,280 to get too far ahead, and also to keep everything very manageable. That 602 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,400 I was never on one hundred and thirty seventh part to break the record. 603 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,199 I was aware that it was one hundred thirty seven pot, but it was 604 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,400 more in my mind that it was just the seventh part of that particular cycle. 605 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,800 So that that helped to kind of keep me in a better place mentally 606 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,159 in order to achieve that. And then, um, that was it really 607 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,400 And there were a couple of pots which looked like they were missing but went 608 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,679 in. And you always need those good breaks here and there with that's an 609 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,119 a round of golf, or with that's it in a ten foot part. 610 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:29,559 So um, that was that was pretty much some of the keys to it. 611 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,760 When you were in that experience or when you have one, have you 612 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,519 ever felt like being in what we call the zone where things kind of like 613 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,039 are quiet or maybe slow down, or just you enter into and maybe an 614 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:50,880 altered space where it seems so easy. That's a great question. Um. 615 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,920 I think when when a lot of players perform well, they do experience that 616 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,840 that kind of feeling because it's almost or for me anyway, it's almost like 617 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:12,480 nothing else is really going on outside of that present moment and that present shot. 618 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,239 But you almost have to enter a state like that to be able to 619 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,039 focus on all of the things you need to in order to pull off that 620 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:24,320 given shot in order to to really perform, because if any of the other 621 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,559 things start to enter your mind and you don't use them as fuel and use 622 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,039 them in the right way, it can very quickly derail you. And that 623 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,480 can translate itself into a misshot or a mispart or a bad run of holes, 624 00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:40,800 which can end your chances of winning a tournament. So yeah, to 625 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,000 answer your questions, it's happened a few times. It'd be nice if that 626 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,559 happened a little bit more. And I think we will strive for that and 627 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,519 we will try and do our best in order to enter that state. And 628 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,960 that's where it's such a mix of physical and mental because if the physical parts 629 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,960 are in a good place, if you're well rested, always give yourself that 630 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,239 chance for everything to fall in line, and then the mental side can really 631 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,199 come up because it's you've got a great game to work on on top of 632 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,360 that week. So it really is trying to take care of the whole picture. 633 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,880 And that's a battle that I think a lot of golfers constantly face on 634 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,719 a week to week basis. But when we do get it right, that 635 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,039 that feeling is pretty cool. And then when that translates into achievement or winning 636 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:29,360 a tournament, then obviously that's very special. If you ever experience any like 637 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:34,719 kind of doubts when you're adding or shipping or driving, and it's so like, 638 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,039 how do you kind of address that kind of you know, shift it 639 00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:45,039 in that sense, it's a great question and that that can happen a number 640 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:49,320 of times, and it does happen to me a number of times in the 641 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,760 past, and it will happen now, and it will happen in the future. 642 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,760 I think for me it sounds very cliche, but having a good routine, 643 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,239 having when I say a good routine timing that is quite similar where the 644 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,280 body just falls into a bit of a flow where those doubts can come to 645 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,199 mind. But when you're working at a good time, everything just seems to 646 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,480 flow a little bit better, and hopefully the body coordinates itself a little bit 647 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,760 better to override the doubt that comes into mind. And then on top of 648 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,840 that, just having a couple of key thoughts that are very simple within this 649 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,400 wing, and if the doubts come to the forefront of the mind, to 650 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,880 just try and replace those with a key thought. And I hope that between 651 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,800 the key thought and good timing of the body, that the doubt can hopefully 652 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,360 be overcome. And that isn't always the case, but I think that that 653 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,880 gives certainly gives me the best chance of overcoming those doubts, because I do 654 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,800 have them. Do you ever consider that the doubts are actually trying to help 655 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:57,440 you succeed, and that they're coming up at a time when you're on the 656 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:01,880 pinnacle of more success, either in that shot or that or that whole in 657 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:07,119 that round, And it's just almost a test to see, we're checking to 658 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:13,440 see your resolve in how much you believe in the success you're about to have. 659 00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,800 That's a great question, and I think you're right, I think, 660 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:27,400 and it's in those periods where you begin to push some of your own limits, 661 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,039 and you come through those, you learn if you don't come through those, 662 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,880 again, they're a great they're a great learning process. It is It 663 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,519 is definitely a test of your resolve and a test of how much you truly 664 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:46,440 believe in yourself. But I also think it comes down to self awareness as 665 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,840 well, because there are times when doubt can actually be your friend. When 666 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,039 you may be taken on a shot that is a little bit risky and the 667 00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:59,280 swing is feeling a little bit ropey, and the doubt creeps up to go, 668 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,239 actually, what are you doing here, Let's be a little bit smarter, 669 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,679 Let's just step away from this and let's rethink. So I believe it 670 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,719 does come back to the self awareness that when is that doubt actually helping you? 671 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,360 When is it giving you a signpost to say, hey, let's let's 672 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,719 step back, or when is that doubt trying to limit you? And in 673 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,280 both examples they adapt, But in one example it's working with you, the 674 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,320 other example it's not. And I think differentiating between the two requires a self 675 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,960 awareness and then trying to react in the correct way then requires putting that into 676 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:42,119 action. So I guess you've just got to try and read this situation and 677 00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,400 read yourself to the best of your ability. You beautifully explain that. I 678 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:52,559 feel because a sense, that kind of mental inner talk is actually different those 679 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:57,079 two versions of that they are. Yeah, Yes, you have a very 680 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:01,159 unique cultural background. I wonder do you that help you at all playing golf. 681 00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:06,840 Do you pull from any of your cultural you know, kind of strains 682 00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:12,480 or history or things of that nature, Tom, I guess feel stronger or 683 00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:16,719 more confident or things like that on the course. Yeah, I would say 684 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,480 so. I think that is probably a natural part for most people that we 685 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:28,719 rely on some of our past experiences and how we've learned in order to try 686 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,239 and help us in the future. And I come from the UK, but 687 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:39,000 from an Indian family, again very cliche, but a lot of hard work 688 00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:47,480 in the family and discipline and also faith in God and believing in a higher 689 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,119 power than things happen for a reason, and that those those are some very 690 00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:58,639 big things which which have shaped me and continue to shape me. Yes. 691 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,159 And have you had that kind of experience where you, let's say, you 692 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,320 call on that faith up God or the divine when you're playing and you've felt 693 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,800 something kind of takeover in a positive way or like kind of help you or 694 00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,920 things like that. Does that ever happen, Yeah, yeah, it has. 695 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,280 Whether that is simply belief or whether that is a higher power. I 696 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,760 think I believe in one of those two things. But yeah, I've definitely 697 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,079 experienced that in the past. And again it's as we were talking about before, 698 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:37,760 in terms of getting in that zone. Maybe that is part of it. 699 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:43,679 That it's just a feeling of peace and being at one with whatever it 700 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,199 is that we're doing in that present moment. Whether that is hitting a shot, 701 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,400 whether that is walking down the fairway, or whether that is getting groceries 702 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:57,360 from from a store. These are things that are about life and peace and 703 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,840 just the interconnectingness of all things really. So I've definitely experienced that in the 704 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,679 past, and i think ironically that's something that I'm trying to be a bit 705 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:13,239 more wary of of implementing in my life now because it is there. But 706 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,639 it's also something that maybe hasn't been as much in the forefront as what it 707 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,119 was in the past for me. So it's quite interesting actually talking about this 708 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,760 now because it's it's something that I've I've thought of a lot over the last 709 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:31,159 couple of weeks. Really, Yeah, that's interesting. He loved your questions. 710 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,639 Clearly he loved what you were asking him, and even when you ask 711 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:43,320 him about the doubts, he laughed, yeah, yeah, And you know, 712 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,239 it's I just find it fascinating because this came out this process that I 713 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,199 shared with people, kind of gotten unearthed through my own process myself reread and 714 00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:02,039 being a musician traveling the world and performing percussion and drums, is the doubts 715 00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:07,519 are the same, you know they you know for a golfer, as a 716 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:13,440 musician, as a businessperson, as a basketball player. They may say different 717 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,480 words because of the world you're in, but the essence I have found it's, 718 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,719 you know, it doesn't and it doesn't matter whether where someone from America 719 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,519 or someone from Japan and speak another language. Because of working with people from 720 00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:34,159 all over the world, I have found it's like the doubts are there's a 721 00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:37,239 process, and it's just kind of a thing innate in all of us. 722 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,159 And as I said, it's it's an exciting, beautiful thing when you look 723 00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:45,320 at it from the place I look at it, rather than a place of 724 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,559 something to be afraid of or something to just try to brush over. We're 725 00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,079 going to take another break, and when we come back, we'll finish up 726 00:54:54,119 --> 00:55:01,519 with more little tidbits and advice from Stewart Sync, and that's going to be 727 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:12,840 run after this. Now, before we get to more of Stewart's SYNC, 728 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,239 tell me about my golf Quiz dot com. Ah, my Golf Quiz dot 729 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:22,199 com. This is a sixty second mental game quiz that I put together. 730 00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:29,679 It's it's a very very powerful. In this matter of sixty seconds, you 731 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,840 will be determined on what level your golf game is at your mental game, 732 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,920 and then you'll get a special report based on the level of what you answer, 733 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:45,239 how you answered, and in the report there's suggestions and helpful tips, 734 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,920 and I've gotten golfers have written back to me quite a number of times. 735 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,199 It's say Carrie, just just the information and the special report has helped me, 736 00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,719 you know, lower you know, my golf game, you know, 737 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,920 in terms of I've been able to puts that I and consecutively that I haven't 738 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,440 been able to do before. And it's just I love it, you know, 739 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,280 because this is I just love helping people out, you know, I 740 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:15,320 love open golfers out and it's um yeah, So Mike Golf quiz dot Com. 741 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,920 All right, please check that out. Now let's go to back to 742 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,119 Stuart's sink. Your conversation with Stewart's sink. We have three or four, 743 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:28,679 so just shorter cuts with him, but you're the first one we're going to 744 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,320 listen to. Is when you asked him about courses that he either dreads or 745 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,000 favors. Has there been a course that you've played that has challenged you mentally 746 00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:44,480 and that you almost look forward to to play again because it has been a 747 00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:50,599 challenge for you and you've seen a success you've overcome certain of those challenges, 748 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,639 and you've felt that really kind of joy, you know, of transforming that 749 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,679 the early part of my career, the first couple of times I've played Memorial, 750 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:06,079 which is the Columbus Ohioway Jack nichols A tournament. Is I remember my 751 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:08,639 first couple of times just feeling like this course is so hard, like around 752 00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:14,719 the greens it's so penal, and just being amazed at the scorers players shot 753 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:21,480 there. And then over time I started to understand how the severity of the 754 00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:25,239 surrounding areas around the greens was really there not to punish you, but to 755 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,760 kind of like be your guide, and so I started seeing it differently as 756 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,639 opposed to be like afraid of like what if my ball goes there? I 757 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:35,960 started sort of like letting the course tell me, like, Okay, you 758 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,679 don't want your ball to be in there, So what is that saying. 759 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:40,440 That's saying, let's move the target over here a little bit and take your 760 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,800 medicine. And I saw players that I played with too have success by not 761 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,039 taking on every flag. And that's actually the way Jack Nichols played golf. 762 00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:52,320 You know, he designed that course exactly the way he plays golf. And 763 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,360 so over the years, Memorial became one of my tournaments I loved playing and 764 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,320 that I had a lot of goods. Never won it yet, but I 765 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,679 had a lot of good success playing there. So that's definitely one example. 766 00:58:02,679 --> 00:58:07,320 Another example right here, Sony, because we've been back at most of us 767 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,320 that live back East have been in you know, kind of marginal weather and 768 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,519 not being able to play a lot of golf courses that have good green grass 769 00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:20,199 and healthy rough and win. And this course pretty narrow, so you come 770 00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,159 out here and you've got to really be on top of your game. So 771 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:30,880 it's taught me a lot about how to start the year, and also how 772 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,800 to accept the fact that you can do all you want to prepare for a 773 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,719 shot and hit the right club and hit your target line and everything. A 774 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,639 lot of good drives here don't end up in the fairway, and the rough 775 00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:46,800 can be pretty gross here. So it kind of I like playing here first 776 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,239 in the year if I'm not in Maui. Obviously Mauie's awesome, but if 777 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,440 I'm not in MAUI like this year. If I'm not in the century, 778 00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:59,800 then I like playing here at Sony because it takes you from like midwinter to 779 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:04,800 midsummer almost right away, and it's got to it gets your mental game kind 780 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,599 of ramped up faster than playing other places. I'll tell you the takeaway from 781 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:14,360 me on that one was don't let it punish you. Let it be your 782 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,639 guide. How often are we like, oh, I hate this whole because 783 00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:20,920 I'm hitting in the water all the time. All right, If you do 784 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:27,239 let that be your guide and approach it differently, love that I do too. 785 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,239 It was beautiful and he said that point. Yeah, We're gonna do 786 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,039 two back to back here. The first one is going to be about the 787 00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,119 goals that he had for twenty twenty three, but then he talks about intention 788 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:43,199 and will follow it up with intention not on the year, but intention for 789 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,199 your shots. So again Stuarts sink. Goals and intentions are tricky because a 790 00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:50,360 lot of them tend to be attached to results, which, going back to 791 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,840 what I said a second ago, you really can't control a lot of So 792 00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:58,480 you'd like to have goals and intentions that you can control. But at the 793 00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:05,320 same time, what would those be? So um instead of instead of using 794 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,079 like finishes in the FedEx Cup or making the Tour Championship or having wins like 795 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:13,320 that as goals, this is something that drives my wife crazy, is that 796 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,119 I never use those kind of things as goals, those results were ented things. 797 01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:22,280 Instead I use things more like my goal will be too. I have 798 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,079 a set number of drills I do and putting you know, with my coach 799 01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:28,360 that I kind of say, all right, I'm gonna do that twice a 800 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,480 week, and that's a goal, and I know that if I do it, 801 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,880 it's not always the succeeding in the drills as much as it is the 802 01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:37,000 doing them. Just do them. If I do that set of what I 803 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:43,880 said, I'm gonna do every every week or every you know, whatever time 804 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,199 frame I put on that, if I do that, then there's no chance 805 01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:50,360 I'm not going to improve because I trust that I'm working on the right things 806 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,400 and I'm good coaching. My team's excellent. So um, those are the 807 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,159 kind of goals I like to use that you know, maybe driver ball speed, 808 01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:00,559 you know, I try to get my ball speed up to a certain 809 01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:02,800 where I can cruise at a certain speed. That stuff you can control, 810 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,400 a lot of stuff you can't control. So when I hear players say, 811 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:08,920 like, my goals this year are you know, I want to have at 812 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,920 least six top tens, I'm like, hey, you know, that's great, 813 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,639 But a lot of that just depends so much on other things. A 814 01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:17,719 lot of varieties. You are, a variety of factors you can't control. 815 01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:22,760 So but I think what you're asking is, this is the Christmas and things. 816 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,440 Give me breaking the center of the season, kind of give you a 817 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:29,719 set and reset those goals. Yes, and no, I mean no, 818 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:36,079 And the fact that I start the season back before, like in September, 819 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,719 and I kind of I want to have a big enough data set where I 820 01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:43,800 can say the goals I did were either matched or they did work or they 821 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,159 need to rely on someone, And we don't have enough terminus on our belt 822 01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:51,719 yet, even though it's been a while we hadn't had We've had like eight 823 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,920 straight weeks of no golf, so we don't have enough data points. So 824 01:01:55,039 --> 01:02:00,880 this time of year you can't really do a lot of of adjusting. But 825 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,360 in my case, issuear, I'm about turn fifty and so I've got the 826 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,920 Champions Tour tournaments out there that I'll be eligible for, and I will be 827 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,199 deciding, you know, which ones of those I'm going to play in, 828 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,000 and if any which ones I'm gonna playing out here. And there's a lot 829 01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:20,039 to play for out here on the PGA Tour, and so my goals this 830 01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:23,440 year are still more oriented towards PGA Tour golf. And you're so you can 831 01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:27,719 dance back and forth between the two toys. I could, Yeah, yeah, 832 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,400 I could, but that's not really been proven to be a real successful 833 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,679 route to go for anybody to bounce back and forth. It's been more like 834 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,320 you've got to commit one way or the other. Yeah, it's like in 835 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:44,079 a sense a different gear, you know, Yeah, because so well you 836 01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:45,920 know, you you know, play you two points to count. Yes, 837 01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:49,880 it's all about points. If you play on this tour and your points count, 838 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,760 and you play on this tour the next week and your points count over 839 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:58,079 here, Yes, they're not counting both places. You could say I hope 840 01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,480 this goes right at that bush, probably not gonna end up being a successful 841 01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:05,880 shot, right, Or you could say I'm gonna take this ball straight. 842 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:07,800 You know, you can kind of state like this is what's about to happen. 843 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:15,119 It leaves really no room for anything else. Yes, Um, absolutely 844 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:21,119 I choose I'm choosing. Yeah, there's something very fascinating though when we speak 845 01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:25,159 that way to our mind, it's almost as then you swing and you hit 846 01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:29,440 and make contact with the ball and then it goes there. It's almost like 847 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,880 did that happen? Right? But it's but it's due to that intention, 848 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:38,599 Like you know that subco when you say what you're going to do, what 849 01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:43,800 you're choosing to do, that's an active statement of like I'm in control and 850 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,679 you're keeping your agency. Yes, and um, I just feel like it 851 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:53,440 automatically excuses you from, um, a mistake being made. You're you're gonna 852 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,079 make plenty of physical errors out here. You know you're not gonna hit all 853 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,840 your drives and your iron shots and everything exactly one too. It's not gonna 854 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,880 happen. If you can be willing to accept all those and eliminate all those 855 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,440 other errors that you just feed yourself, like the hoping and the wishing and 856 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,679 the needing, then yeah, you're gonna give yourself a better chance to succeed. 857 01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:15,239 And that's in the end, really what it's all about. You can't 858 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,320 control all of once you make contact with all, you can't control much else, 859 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,440 and so um our job out of here, My job and that guy 860 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,880 and all the caddies and the coaches and the players. The job really boils 861 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,519 down to accepting the percentages and keeping your expectations in the proper frame and then 862 01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:39,800 trying to improve like one percent, you know, yes percent. Yes, 863 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,320 you're not trying to make every twenty footer because then if you did that, 864 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,559 you'd be disappointed most of the time. But you can try to make thirteen 865 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:49,039 percent of those instead of twelve and a half over the year. That makes 866 01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:53,440 sense. I think that's a Kobe Bryant thing about one percent, like that 867 01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:59,280 was something to just improve a little bit each time. Yeah, yeah, 868 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,239 yeah, that's amazing, amazing, is right. I love the idea of 869 01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:06,360 I don't want to make every twenty footer because then I'll be disappointed all the 870 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:12,960 time when I don't. Okay, just keeping your realities in check, I'll 871 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:19,199 take that twenty foot though not every time. The most of the time, 872 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:25,400 he really he really opens up to I just find this so fascinating. He 873 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,679 really enjoyed talking to you, and and oh god, we enjoy eavesdropping on 874 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:38,960 it. Yeah, I do too. I just it's kind of funny every 875 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,239 and just kind of you know, kind of being really candid. Here. 876 01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:45,320 I go to these events, you know, I go to this event. 877 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:51,320 I have I have a sense of who I'd like to interview, um, 878 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,400 but I have no idea if any of those are going to happen or how 879 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,480 it's going to happen. And I've seen my own doubts through this process, 880 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,440 just trying to get interviews, and it's like, you know, the voices, 881 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:09,159 dude, you're not gonna get anybody, and you know you're gonna you 882 01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:12,440 know it's not gonna happen here. And I go, oh, thank you, 883 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,920 I turned it around. Oh that means this is gonna work out great. 884 01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,639 And then there's a process that I've shared a little bit here today to 885 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:23,039 how to deal with it. And it turns out it's you know, I 886 01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:27,199 generally, you know, when I look back at the list that of the 887 01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:30,280 guys I want to interview, and then after the events, you know, 888 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,800 my time there is over. It's like, oh yeah, you know, 889 01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:38,920 I got just about everyone or everyone that I was looking for, you know 890 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,039 it. And yet there's no I can't force that to happen, but I 891 01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:47,320 can intentionalize it. And that's a powerful thing, amazing, you know what. 892 01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:49,880 I'm going to take one more break and then we're gonna come back. 893 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,119 We got three or four more from Stuart Sink and we'll be back after this. 894 01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:59,679 This week on Golf Smarter Mulligan's is Part two with Catherine Roberts if Yoga 895 01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:04,159 for Golfers. In this episode, Catherine provides a variety of pre and post 896 01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:11,039 shot round stretching routines that are specifically designed for golfers. She even provides a 897 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:15,079 story that maybe all too familiar with some of our greatest fears. I had 898 01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,639 a client and his name was Jim, and he was sixty seven years old. 899 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:24,800 He had retired his whole life with golf and he had backpain that was 900 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,719 so bad he could not play, and that doctor told him, forget it, 901 01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:30,719 you're never going to play golf again. So you can imagine he became 902 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:36,840 very depressed. His social structure kind of fell apart because his life was playing 903 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,039 golf. And so he was referred to me by someone and I just did 904 01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:45,159 some very simple evaluations, physical evaluations, and I said, Jim, I 905 01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:48,440 said, here are seven to ten things I want you to do four days 906 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:54,119 a week, fifteen minutes. No more, don't even do more. And 907 01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:58,280 in three months he was back playing golf. That's Golf's Murder Mulligan's episode one 908 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,199 hundred ninety nine, Part two with Catherine Roberts of Yoga for Golfers. Please 909 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:08,360 subscribe for free to our sister podcast that revisits the best of the Golf Smarter 910 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:14,840 podcast called Golf Smarter Mulligans, being released every Friday from wherever you're listening right 911 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:24,479 now. One of the last things that you and Stewart talked about. There's 912 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,359 a couple more topics here, but one of them is about debriefing. It's 913 01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,239 like, you know, we talk about post shot routine, post round routine, 914 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,920 or debriefing. This is the conversation you had with him about that. 915 01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:40,720 It's quick, but it's fascinating. One thing I've started doing, and I 916 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,840 started this about five years ago, is whenever I have those little debriefs like 917 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,880 that, which is, you know, I would say anywhere from like a 918 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:55,000 formal debrief like with Reagan caddion too, very informal, just like thinking about 919 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,319 it when I'm in the shower, right, But I always try to take 920 01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:03,039 little notes down, and so in my yards book, I always have it 921 01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:05,479 written down, a little list of things in the back of my yardsment, 922 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,119 like right there, you know, and just little things like where do you 923 01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:13,520 get your piece? You know, like it's a question that we all have 924 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,479 to kind of ask ourselves, and very few really ever do. But if 925 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,399 I'm standing over a drive and I feel the wind blow in a certain direction, 926 01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:23,720 the shot feels uncomfortable. Am I getting my piece from where that golf 927 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,520 ball goes? I hope not. But that's really easy to do. And 928 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,720 so little notes like that, you know, just reminded myself to look at 929 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:38,479 the cross and remember, like the people standing around the cross the crucifixion might 930 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,720 have been thinking, this is like one of the worst things that's ever happened. 931 01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:43,319 How can this be? You know, how can God allow this? 932 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,239 But what they didn't realize is that they were looking at the greatest things ever 933 01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:49,800 happened towards the redemption of mankind. You know, things like that, like, 934 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:54,239 oh, how can this ball bounce right into the bunker? Maybe I 935 01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:57,800 need to practice my favorite bunker shots. But that's one way that I kind 936 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,039 of keep myself reminded. And it's not completely you know, full proof. 937 01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:04,039 I mean, there's a reason I have to debrief every day, and we 938 01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:12,640 all should ask ourselves, and very few do wise wise wise, Yeah, 939 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,359 and yet if we do, when we start doing it, it's only going 940 01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:19,079 to improve it. You know. It's kind of like the pus, right, 941 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:24,199 like of an infection. You know, if we if we go after 942 01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:27,479 that pus and let it you know, and yeah, when we pop it, 943 01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:32,399 uh, it's it gets a little messy, but then you know, 944 01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:36,880 we apply whatever we need to after that on the pus and the infection goes 945 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,359 away and it heals up. It's a similar kind of idea. You know, 946 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,880 it's touching the pus. So the things we don't want to do, 947 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,800 but the you know, my question is do you want to just would you 948 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:55,039 rather deal with that or would you rather have the same consecutive challenge keep keep 949 01:10:55,079 --> 01:11:00,159 coming after you day after day, year after year. That's a question of 950 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,239 us has to ask. One of the things that came out in that last 951 01:11:02,279 --> 01:11:06,920 cut was his faith and the importance of it. And you know, like 952 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,279 you mentioned you were a professional musician, but to bring it back to music 953 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,000 and he takes it back to his faith. Do you use music as a 954 01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:19,520 way to kind of get you revbed up at all? Oh my gosh, 955 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,520 I used music as a way to get my heart in the right place. 956 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:28,039 Man, not rebbed up. If anything rev down, I'm already rebbed up. 957 01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,399 And usually the reason I'm rebbed up it is because I'm like hoping for 958 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,800 results or maybe a little bit fearful about what might happen. And so I 959 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,279 have a great playlist of Christian music that I listened to all the time. 960 01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:41,520 It's just such a solid reminder of gratitude, and you know where my heart 961 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,159 ought to be. And yeah, and how significant I really am out here 962 01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:48,079 playing golf. You know, I sometimes overinflate my significance out here, like 963 01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:54,479 I think we all do. I interpret that is when you feel that connection 964 01:11:54,520 --> 01:12:00,239 to the divine or God like I imagine, like there's that oneness that golf 965 01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:04,479 is sid of the way in that moment for you to make that connection. 966 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:10,600 Yeah. Web Simpson's wife one time told Lisa when we play together, something 967 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,640 like, it's great the boys get to worship together today. And that was 968 01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,600 this least ten or twelve years ago, and from that point on, I 969 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:23,279 remember thinking, you know what, this is a way to worship because I 970 01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,920 understand that golf, being the golfer that I am and playing at these high 971 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,439 levels, it's teaching me things about myself that I would have never known otherwise. 972 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:36,279 And it's just such an opportunity to be grateful and to learn about yourself 973 01:12:36,319 --> 01:12:43,600 and to keep yourself in the right perspective, you know, with your relationship 974 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,439 with God. And so she said it, she said it great, and 975 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,359 ever since then I've treated it that way. I noticed that when I don't 976 01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:55,079 treat it that way, I'm not near as happy on the course. And 977 01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:59,079 I want to be happy. You know. I love playing golf and I 978 01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:01,960 love what offers me. It's way more than just a job for me, 979 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:08,039 because I'm just so fortunate and blessed that I can do this job. You 980 01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:12,159 know, it's such a fun thing to do and such a challenging, personally 981 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:16,439 challenging job to to continue to, you know, try to do every year. 982 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,840 But such a blessing too that I get to, you know, I 983 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,279 get to do something that's taught me so much. People feeling, you know, 984 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,600 And I watched it just today, watching you just talking the course of 985 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,760 you know, and just how you are with people, and I'm sure they 986 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,520 are feeling that too, and they may not expand it, you know, 987 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,880 but they would feel it. Yeah. Well, that's part of the purpose 988 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,960 out here, you know. I worked with a guy for a couple of 989 01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:48,800 years back about five years ago, and he kind of put me through like 990 01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,920 his curriculum, Jim Murphy was his name, and one of the things that 991 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,239 he had me to do right at the beginning is to define a purpose. 992 01:13:56,239 --> 01:14:00,000 And I think I probably don't need to explain to you, but it wasn't 993 01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:03,039 my purpose to shoot sixty five every day. And we kind of defined the 994 01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:06,359 purpose for me, and I got it straight from the lyric of one of 995 01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:10,319 the songs I like to listen to, and it was like, my purpose 996 01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:13,800 was to let this world know me by your love, by meaning the love 997 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,199 of Jesus Christ. I want the world to see me and say, like, 998 01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:20,000 there's something about that guy, and when they investigate that, I want 999 01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:24,640 them to see Jesus Christ and his love and I want the love for him 1000 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,840 that I feel to overflow and to get onto the other people that are near 1001 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,039 me. That I think is what you see if you watch me play. 1002 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:34,359 I like volunteers. You know. Yeah, there's some moments when the volunteers 1003 01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:39,680 are annoying, but who isn't. I'm sure I annoy the volunteer sometime too, 1004 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,600 but no, I just like to I like to try to be that 1005 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,479 way out there all the time. And that purpose has been something that I 1006 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:51,159 try to walk with every day. And it seems to kind of lessen the 1007 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:55,000 bad scores and also it kind of lessens the good scores too, which kind 1008 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,840 of good for me. You know. I like to stay even and not 1009 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,359 get too up or two down, and when if there's credit due ever, 1010 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,960 you know, I like to use it as worship. The Church of Golf 1011 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:15,159 is an evangelistic golfer. Yeah, I love that idea of over inflate our 1012 01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:21,920 own significance. And for professional athletes who have been praised and followed and clawed 1013 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:27,800 at for most of their lives, especially if they're lade athletes early on. 1014 01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:35,720 Yeah, I'm sure that most professional athletes over inflate their own significance. Yeah, 1015 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,239 and keeping it perspective has got to be really hard, for sure. 1016 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:49,800 But that humility and that driving humility can create that the honest passion to keep 1017 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:56,439 improving, you know, help you stay humble. Right now, you couldn't 1018 01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,239 hold back. He still needed to ask about his mental coaches because you might 1019 01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:03,399 be looking for gigs. I don't know, but you're asking Stewart Sink about 1020 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,039 his metal coaches. Let's see what he has to say. The last guy 1021 01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:10,800 I worked with was that guy Jim Murphy. I work with him. He 1022 01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,119 has a curriculum that I kind of outran the curriculum, and we stayed together 1023 01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:19,920 longer than his curriculum lasted. So when we stopped working. There's a guy 1024 01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,720 that he was here too. You may have seen him if you were here 1025 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,520 yesterday. James Sekman. He's a guy working with a short game and putting 1026 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,720 and he is like really strong in that area too. But he's not really 1027 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,279 a fully trained sports psychologist. But he's really good for me because he knows 1028 01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:35,520 me real well, and he knows where I get wayward, and he knows 1029 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,560 where I'm really sharp and good. So he's a good reminder all the time, 1030 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,520 asking me questions and he kind of parrots back the questions that I have 1031 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,119 for myself, and he knows my lists. So I kind of have given 1032 01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:54,359 some of that to him, just to more as a reminder of past, 1033 01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:00,279 you know, material that I've learned. Interestingly, James Siekman as been on 1034 01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:05,279 Golf smarter Um back in twenty fifteen episode four eighty six. We he had 1035 01:17:05,319 --> 01:17:10,479 just come out with a book and so we had him on, so I 1036 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:15,920 know of his work. Comment yeah, anything, but yeah, I'm definitely 1037 01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:23,520 going to check that podcast out that pipe for sure, And don't know if 1038 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,760 it's still available for free on you know, because the episodes that disappear that's 1039 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,239 in the right, that's like the four eighty six is kind of out of 1040 01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:35,039 the realm of where we are, and we're getting up into the three hundreds 1041 01:17:35,079 --> 01:17:40,760 now with Mulligan's. So if there's only two hundred and fifty or so episodes 1042 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,840 available on iTunes, I don't know. At Apple Podcasts, I don't know 1043 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,520 if that's available but it will be at some point we'll bring it back and 1044 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:53,680 maybe we'll even find James Sekman and bring him back on the show. Yeah. 1045 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:58,159 Um, let's wrap it up here with Stewart sink one more with him, 1046 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,199 and I love the fact that you asked him about if he had any 1047 01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:11,000 advice for amateur play and for amateurs on dealing with doubt. I remember my 1048 01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:16,079 first about my third or fourth year on tour. I had some early success, 1049 01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:19,239 like I came out of the gates like boot, and I'm like, 1050 01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:26,760 now what do I do? And I felt like a lot of worry because 1051 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,119 I didn't feel like I was quite ready to jump into that role he had 1052 01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:31,279 of a top player in the world and you know, making all the Rider 1053 01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:35,239 Cups and President Cup teams. And I had to do some searching. And 1054 01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:39,960 that's why I really actually kind of got interested in the whole psychology of sport. 1055 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:45,319 So and then you know it kind of beloved. It's just rode a 1056 01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:50,039 wave ever since then. Sometimes the the doubts and the fears are strong, 1057 01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:54,319 and I have to really work really hard. And as I've gotten older, 1058 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,520 I probably matured out of some of them, you know, And I don't 1059 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,920 sweat what I used to sweat, but I do sweat things I didn't used 1060 01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,960 to sweat, so um, I wouldn't say it's lessened. But it's just 1061 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,800 a constant, you know. It's a moving target a little bit. But 1062 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,000 that's part of the reason I love plays, because I'm always having to. 1063 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,840 Yeah, it's like whack a mole. Yes, yes, yeah. And 1064 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:23,720 what would you suggest for let's say, the weekend golfer to help their mental 1065 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:29,199 game stay strong. Just depends on the player, And that's a sorry answer. 1066 01:19:29,239 --> 01:19:34,039 But the expectation level is usually not where it ought to be. Sometimes 1067 01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:38,680 players have low expectations. They shouldn't. They should have like some high expectations, 1068 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,079 you know, and then a lot of times it's the other way around. 1069 01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:45,920 But it just depends on what you want out of golf. It just 1070 01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:50,199 depends what you want out of golf. You can raise your expectations. It's 1071 01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:58,880 okay, I love it, Yeah, I love please do actually exactly exactly 1072 01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:05,600 talk about Champion yig dot com. Sure. Champion dot com is my website 1073 01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:12,560 to check out about the mental game and focus a lot on golfers, but 1074 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,399 also other athletes too. So if this has been interesting for you, check 1075 01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:21,239 it out. Let me know what you think. It's been interesting for me, 1076 01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:26,319 Kerrie. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you sharing this. 1077 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,000 You going out and doing it first of all, but then you're sharing it 1078 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,199 with us. Can we pretty much have an exclusive on this content? And 1079 01:20:33,279 --> 01:20:38,199 I hope you get to use it some other place, just not another podcast, 1080 01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:45,000 please, Okay? For sure. We briefly talked about last year you 1081 01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:49,039 were getting involved in this project where you were narrating some audio books and I 1082 01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:54,520 remember the name Kobe Bryant coming up. What's happened with that? Well, 1083 01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,840 I'd love to share about with Kobe as well as some of the other books 1084 01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,800 that have happened. Really, yes, yes, it's it's unbelievably exciting for 1085 01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:09,399 me just personally to be part of these projects. What's happened is Saint Martin 1086 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:15,000 Press is publishing a series of books called Life Lessons from a Legend, and 1087 01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:20,239 Kobe's was the first one, and so I've been given against the great opportunity 1088 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:27,279 to narrate and produce the audiobook version of the book. Toward sink talking about 1089 01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:32,640 one percent, that's a Kobe thing. He was all after just improving a 1090 01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,439 little bit each and every day. But you know, it's just like when 1091 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:43,359 Kobe was playing, everyone knew where to find him on the basketball court, 1092 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,119 you know, wherever he practiced. If you knew Kobe, that's where you'd 1093 01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:51,039 find him. He was just constantly, you know, improving himself. And 1094 01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:58,960 and you know, when asked about all of his championships and what was really 1095 01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:03,720 how he wanted to be looked at as his legacy, you know, and 1096 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,920 this was before the unfortunate passing of him, he was saying, no, 1097 01:22:10,079 --> 01:22:14,359 it's not about the championships that I want people to remember. I want people 1098 01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:19,079 to remember that you have the ability to improve and if you go after that 1099 01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:24,880 and again this one percent, a little bit each and every day, you're 1100 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,760 going to get to where you want to go. And that that really touched 1101 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:34,640 me. And his book was profound. I didn't expect it to be as 1102 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:43,039 deeply moving to me personally, but it was. And it really takes a 1103 01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:48,239 huge arc from his beginnings, his time growing up in Italy, coming back 1104 01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:53,439 to the States, you know, joining the Lakers, and the whole history 1105 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:59,840 of his journey. The event that happened in Colorado and him you know, 1106 01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:04,680 that really shifted his life and it was what I got from the book. 1107 01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:11,960 It was like that moment he really realized his actions matter, his actions affect 1108 01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:15,880 people, and he almost lost his relationship with his wife, but he he 1109 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,600 got to a point fret, which I just love is that he was like, 1110 01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:26,039 hey, I got a fight for this relationship, just like I don't 1111 01:23:26,079 --> 01:23:30,640 know the exact piece, but it was a classical piano piece by heart while 1112 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:35,279 he was on the road playing, like to to show to his wife like 1113 01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:42,239 I made a mistake and I'm sorry, but you are my person and you 1114 01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:45,239 know it was. It's an incredible thing to what he what he did, 1115 01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:50,960 and who he was. And so I was very, as I said, 1116 01:23:51,119 --> 01:23:57,319 very touched to do this audiobook. And then the cool thing with this series, 1117 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:02,359 I've been also been able to interview the authors of each book and I'll 1118 01:24:02,359 --> 01:24:08,760 share what the books are in a moment here and to hear about their mental 1119 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:13,800 process and like what it was like for these authors to write the books on 1120 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,319 these guys, and what kind of research they did, and how do they 1121 01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:21,760 decided on what to include a one not to include amazing and what other books? 1122 01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:27,800 All Right, So, so the next one was on Michael Jordan's Wow, 1123 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:33,640 and then The third one came out last year on Lebron called Life Lessons 1124 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:40,199 from the King, and I'm super excited this year. Later in the year, 1125 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,199 two books are going to be coming out, one on Tom Brady called 1126 01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:48,800 Brady Life Lessons from a Legend, and then the next one at the end 1127 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:54,159 of the year will be on Steph Curry. And you know, and just 1128 01:24:54,720 --> 01:25:00,239 you know, the the the ability to to just you know, be in 1129 01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:06,239 the studio recording these books and really thinking about these guys is again human beings. 1130 01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:11,159 Like again, like I just love the mental game on all areas, 1131 01:25:11,239 --> 01:25:15,920 so it comes into my thinking and realize, like the challenges like Lebron, 1132 01:25:16,399 --> 01:25:20,600 like when he I forget what it was like fourth grade. He his mom 1133 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:26,560 just was, you know, unfortunately in a financial situation moving from one place 1134 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,399 to another. He missed like a ton of days in school that year. 1135 01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:35,800 And then like you know, the basketball people in that community saw him and 1136 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:40,720 like said, we got to help this guy and you know, get him 1137 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,359 focused, and they did, and it was like, you know, when 1138 01:25:43,359 --> 01:25:46,239 he was in fifth grade, he was starting to like coach the younger players, 1139 01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:51,359 and you know, and just the humanity of what you know, we 1140 01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:56,199 we often think of these people as just you know, they're athletes, their 1141 01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:00,319 stars, they're you know, you know, they're just amazing, and the 1142 01:26:00,399 --> 01:26:05,239 reality is they're human beings and they go through the same challenges. And then 1143 01:26:05,279 --> 01:26:09,520 I question, like, you know, like Steph Curry right now, like 1144 01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,319 you know, the challenges he has faced, the injuries, and you know, 1145 01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:17,000 and the team the Warriors to come back and to you know, and 1146 01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:20,439 and to to have that faith, have that belief, like you know, 1147 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:26,840 Clay Thompson after being down for so long, it wasn't pretty. He talks 1148 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,720 about it, how dark it was at times, you know, in terms 1149 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,119 of his doubts, his mental games. So I just think there's so much 1150 01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:41,399 to be taken from as golfers about like all these other great athletes, to 1151 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:46,000 glean to improve you know, our game of golf. Incredible. So you 1152 01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:49,520 didn't have any input on the content of those books. You just did the 1153 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:54,880 audio, You did the narrator correct, Yeah, okay, Okay, again 1154 01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:58,960 they all sound amazing, and I just want to say thank you once again. 1155 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:03,359 This has been a very long episode, but very productive and insightful. 1156 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,359 Carrie, Thanks so much again for coming back on the show. Fred Aloha, 1157 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,600 and thank you for having me say goodbye to my dog because she's clearly 1158 01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,319 wanting to get out of here. She's had enough of this. That's why 1159 01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:19,760 I had to leave earlier because we started to have a ring storm. My 1160 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,720 dog was outside, so I was like, oh, I gotta get her 1161 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:29,960 in. Well, thanks again, just loved having bad thing here. Many 1162 01:27:30,039 --> 01:27:33,520 many blessings, Fred, Let's stay in touch, and just I applaud you 1163 01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:39,359 for your success and continuity of commitment to all of this. So right on, 1164 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:46,000 Bred. As I mentioned during our conversation, I've been watching Full Swing, 1165 01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:51,439 the Netflix docuseries that takes an inside look at various players on the PGA 1166 01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:58,760 tour. I'm really enjoying it and was definitely intrigued with the second episode that 1167 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:04,439 focuses on struggling Brooks Kepka. Congratulations are in order because it is really great 1168 01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:10,600 television. What I truly loved about this episode is that we get an inside 1169 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:15,159 portrait of a broken man, one who has lost his game because of injury 1170 01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:21,159 and mental fatigue and is trying and failing to find it again. I found 1171 01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:26,119 it so relatable for all of us to learn from, as we did in 1172 01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:30,279 today's show that as good as these guys are they still struggle with the same 1173 01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:35,000 kind of issues we have obviously, just at a different level. There are 1174 01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,640 eight episodes in the series, and last night I watched as PGA Tour everyman 1175 01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:45,760 Joel Damon insists that he's not good enough to win a major and isn't driven 1176 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,600 by being on top of the tour. Well, he cut my eye last 1177 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:53,960 year because he wears big brim hats most of the time. I'ven't reached out 1178 01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,479 to him last year to discuss why he doesn't wear baseball caps, but never 1179 01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,359 heard from him, probably because he was being followed by a film crew. 1180 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,000 So anyway, check it out. Let me know what you think of Full 1181 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:10,720 Swing. It's on Netflix. I want to thank Loretta Maddie of Castro Valley 1182 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,119 here in the Bay Area. As she mentioned she was turned on to golf 1183 01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:17,439 Smarter from another ambassador. We heard from Jen Shaw because they're both in the 1184 01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,800 Bay Area as am I. We have plans to play together this spring and 1185 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:26,760 I'm really looking forward to it. 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