WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.400 Big Food and be On with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:20.519 So like Shay, subscribe and raid it five, study, listening, 3 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:29.600 watching, always keep it squatching. And now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James, 4 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:33.799 Bobo, Fay, Hey, Squatschkatiers is Cliff here, And of course 5 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.920 you're listening to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and very often Bobo. Um, 6 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.079 we just got a message from Bobo a few minutes ago saying to start without 7 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.719 him. So hopefully whatever he's got going, he will get it together and 8 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:48.159 join us in just a few minutes or in a few dozens of minutes, 9 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:53.079 or perhaps even in this very broadcast, and perhaps not because it is Bobo 10 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:56.840 after all, and we all love him for these reasons. So um, 11 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.000 I'm going to start off today before we get to the guest, let me 12 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:00.679 know a little bit about what's going on lately, because there's been kind of 13 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.359 a lot going on. I guess the first thing I should start with is, 14 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.599 well, the Spokane conference was great. A lot of great things came 15 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.840 from it. I'm borrowing an original cast from a researcher up in north northeast 16 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.079 Washington and copying that it's gonna be added to the database, and it's also 17 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.680 going to be added to the archives at the North American big Foot Center. 18 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.040 So that's kind of cool. This week, or I probably this week, 19 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.439 I have to check with Matt Prude on that. I pieced together a video 20 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:27.760 of Bobo and I go into the field, so our members for Bigfoot and 21 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:32.079 Beyond, I guess beyond Bigfoot and Beyond, we'll get to see a short 22 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.319 video of Bobo and I going out to one of my secret Bigfoot spots and 23 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.000 doing some squatching in the woods. This isn't nighttime stuff. This is daytime 24 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.599 stuff. I've really been focused on finding footprints in the ground lately, and 25 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.200 of course we found a couple maybes. In fact, we found some definite 26 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.079 maybes. I believe that's even the title of the video, definite Maybes with 27 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.159 Bobo. So if you happen to be a member of Bigfoot and Beyond, 28 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.159 then you are going to be able to see that, probably later this week. 29 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:57.719 Prute, what do you think this week? Is that? Right? 30 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.680 Next? Maybe? Next? Yeah? I would think you post that this 31 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:01.879 week? Okay, yeah, yeah, so there you go. This week. 32 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.879 You're at it right from the Pruitt's mouth. So I hope you guys 33 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.280 enjoy that. 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So I'm kind of 43 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:43.879 I'm pretty much at the tail end of that right now. Yeah, it's 44 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.479 a gift that keeps on given. Isn't that great? So if I do 45 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.800 cough once or twice or a fun little scratchy that's probably why. But whatever 46 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.120 it costs me an opportunity or two of filming some stuff for Discovery Channel, 47 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:59.520 which kind of sucks, but whatever, woe is me. Let's see I 48 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.000 alway, I guess the last thing I probably want to tell you before we 49 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:06.919 hop into things is that I'm going to be up at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot 50 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:12.639 Conference in Gatlinburg up on July twenty second, And I think Matt is going 51 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.400 to be there, Matt Moneymaker, and of course Renee is going to be 52 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:16.319 there as well. So it's gonna be like a little Bigfoot thing, you 53 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:20.400 know, a little finny bigfoot deal. Bobo can't come. He doesn't enjoy 54 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:22.240 doing these as much as he used to, so he's not going to be 55 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.400 out there. But you're gonna get three out of four of us that'll be 56 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.879 kind of cool, and a couple other guests as well. But what I'm 57 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.280 actually kind of excited about, by the way, Adam Davies is one of 58 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:35.120 these guests. Tony Merkel and Lorie Wade are going to be the three other 59 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.000 speakers that are going to be there. But at my table, it is 60 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.240 gonna be Matt Pruett because Matt Prutt has his book out. Yea, Matt, 61 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:44.560 Matt has his book out. It is called The Phenomenal Sasquatch, So 62 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:46.439 go get it today in fact, go get two copies and you can read 63 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.039 one with your left eye and one with your right eye and read in stereo. 64 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.360 It's that kind of book, So enjoy that. And I'm about a 65 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.199 third of the way through it right now. And we will have Matt Pruett 66 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.520 on as a guest talking about his book and just the next couple of weeks 67 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.520 here. But Matt will be signing copies at my table at the Gatlinburg gig. 68 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.520 And if you are interested in checking that out, there's got to be 69 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.120 a website for it or something like that, and I'll figure out what that 70 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:14.479 is as soon as I can. But it's gonna be at the Gatlinburg Convention 71 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.800 Center and it's on July twenty second. It's gonna be good times. Man. 72 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.240 Any who, we're going to hop into our guest here. Our guest 73 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:26.399 today is really kind of a man who wears many, many hats, and 74 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.839 all of them look good on him. He's articulate, he's intelligent. He 75 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.480 has a whole slew of podcast Man. I've got one podcast and I don't 76 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.879 I barely have time to do that. But this guy's got like three or 77 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:41.480 four. His name's Mica Hanks. His main podcast is the Mica Hanks Program. 78 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:43.879 I don't know where he came up with that name. He also has 79 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.920 Sasquatch tracks purely bigfoot sort of thing, and some archaeological stuff called Seven Ages 80 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.160 podcast. He is all over the place, and we are going to be 81 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:54.959 talking about Bigfoot today. We're gonna be talking about his other interests, and 82 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.120 we're also gonna be talking about you aps. In other words, you fos 83 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.279 some of my favorite acronyms. So we're gonna be talking to him today about 84 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.079 this sort of thing because it's been all over the news, and from what 85 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:09.639 I understand, I want to get this clarified from Mike himself, and we'll 86 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:13.399 get to that in a minute. From what I understand, the reason it's 87 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:17.839 all over the news is directly because of Micah. So, Mica, welcome 88 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:21.680 to Big Fit and Beyond with Cliff and sometimes Bobo. Cliff, how are 89 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:26.160 you, sir? Longtime no see. I was very pleased to of course 90 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.079 be able to spend some time with you up there in Ohio. Recently said 91 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.240 Bobo isn't here yet, hoping he will come stumbling in soon. But again 92 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:35.360 we've got a great conversation in store and on tap today. Yeah, it's 93 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:38.959 gonna be fine. We have to do this every once in a while because 94 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.759 Bobo is Bobo and man. And you know what, It's funny, Mike, 95 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.720 I was telling me before we came on the air that, you know, 96 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:46.240 I came down to this COVID thing again, and I've had all this 97 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.480 slew of bad luck. I won't go too much into it, but you 98 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:53.360 know, it's like like my bank account was hacked briefly, and then I 99 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.800 had to miss some opportunities filming with Discovery Channel because of my illness, and 100 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.160 it's just like one thing after another after another. I'm thinking, what in 101 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.439 the world happened to me? And then I looked back and I say, 102 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.120 oh, you know what, I know, I know exactly what it is. 103 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:10.439 I hung out with Bobo and apparently his chaos is contagious. Yeah. 104 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.399 Well, the other thing too, I think, is you know, and 105 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.079 I realized this early on after I met you, Cliff, you and I 106 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.959 have a whole lot more in common than just sasquatch. We're also really busy 107 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.399 guys who travel a lot, and busy guys who are travel a lot, 108 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.480 who travel a lot seemed to have these kinds of things follow them. I 109 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.079 suppose. Now, if if sasquatch only would become as evident and follow us 110 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.920 as often as these kind of calamities, I guess we'd all have this figured 111 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.879 out, wouldn't we something like that, something like I think, Yeah, 112 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:41.199 probably Yeah. And they were also extraordinarily intelligent and good looking. Yeah, 113 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.959 well indeed, yes, thank you sir, And that certainly applies to you 114 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.120 so well. Listen, sorry to hear that you got COVID, and I 115 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:53.160 really appreciate you making time for the conversation day in spite of that. And 116 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.079 like we mentioned, they're in the intro. Of course, you've been talking 117 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.560 about the UAP thing. The kind of cool relationship to all of that and 118 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.079 everything that people have been hearing about in the news recently is that you and 119 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.120 I were together when a lot of that was still in the kind of behind 120 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:09.319 the scenes stage, which is kind of cool. So we kind of have 121 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.199 a unique relationship there too. Yeah. That was the Seth breedlove gig of 122 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.439 a monster what was it called monster or something? Monster Fest? Monster Fest. 123 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:18.759 Yeah. I'm not good at these names. I'm not good at people's 124 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.959 names or event names. I kind of know where I'm going, but Yeah, 125 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:24.839 the one in out out there in Ohio. You and I got the 126 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:27.720 got our rides to and from the airport and whatnot, and you're back. 127 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.240 They're busily texting, and apparently you're texting about all this stuff because it was 128 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.439 going to drop in the next couple of days. That's true. Yeah, 129 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.519 now I can talk about it. And also, you know, I'll just 130 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.519 say this just because since you mentioned, of course, for your subscribers, 131 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.319 some of the sites you've gone out to, in some of the footprints you've 132 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.680 been finding, let me go ahead and state for the record, I am 133 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:49.199 now of a mind having seen some of the photos from those locations. Cliff 134 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.519 has shared some of these images with me. After seeing those, Buddy, 135 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.480 I'm pretty sure if anybody is in the running to discover sasquatch first, you're 136 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.879 probably at the top of that list. I mean, really really incredible stuff 137 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.319 you're finding out there. Well, I appreciate that, but discover I mean 138 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:09.160 I think the John Bendernogle point where or the tact word it's the discovery is 139 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.879 ongoing and it is happening right now. We're just waiting for the academics to 140 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.240 catch up, right. Yeah, And you know that's the thing that fascinates 141 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.160 me about both the Sasquatch with a relic tominoid enigma and also UAP, you 142 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.079 know, the artists formerly known as UFOs. These are both topics to me 143 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.920 that there's been quite a lot of information that is strongly suggestive, maybe without 144 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.440 their being you know, unambiguous, it would convince a physicist or a chemist 145 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.320 type physical proof. There's still a lot of data that strongly supports the existence 146 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.919 of these phenomena. And it's like Thomas Koon talked about, and of course, 147 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.399 like you mentioned, John Bendernogyle is excellent writings on this, The Discovery 148 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.080 the Sasquatch one of my all time favorite books. He's talking about. You 149 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.120 know, sometimes it takes a whole lot of that data to accumulate and then 150 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.279 all of a sudden, at some point, a straw breaks the proverbial camel's 151 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.240 back and people go, WHOA, what's all this data? People knew about 152 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.320 this stuff for a long time before we actually accepted that it was here. 153 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.600 So you're right, I think we're in that phase of discovery rather than reaching 154 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.240 the point of discovery, both with Sasquatch and also with UAP. Yeah, 155 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.200 a bunch of anthropologists and biologists are going to their faces will be covered with 156 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:22.240 egg sasquatch egg yoke when the discovery does finally drop with sasquatch stuff. But 157 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.279 in the meantime, all we can do, I think, as the citizen 158 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.879 scientists that we are and the amateur community, is represent the subject as best 159 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.320 as we can and as honestly as we can. Steer away from the paranormal 160 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.519 stuff as much as we can when it comes to sasquatches, because it doesn't 161 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.320 do anybody any good. Internugle, even though he entertained some of those ideas, 162 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.039 and he would he certainly spend some time with people who thought these things 163 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:48.799 were paranormal. He was. It is biography, he always, he points 164 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.240 out, put the best stuff out there first. Put the best stuff out 165 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.120 there, because we don't want other scientists turning their nose up at the subject 166 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.080 and walking away because people are saying they're interdimensional shifting. You of a writing 167 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.559 teleporters or whatever. You got to put the best stuff out there first to 168 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:09.080 get the highest level of interest from academics. And then if all that's actually, 169 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.240 if any of that stuff is true, let it come out later. 170 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.000 I don't happen to think it's true. But if any of it is true, 171 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:18.840 we'll figure that out later. So let's do the good stuff first. 172 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:20.440 You know. Yeah, I'm right there with you in fact, And that's 173 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.879 an important point of clarification that should be made early on in a discussion like 174 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.639 this where we're likely to get into some of the end beyond on the Bigfoot 175 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.840 discussion and with the UAP thing, because people always ask me, they say, 176 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.679 okay, so you're you know, really deeply involved in trying to get 177 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.320 information from government sources, and of course you know, doing the citizens science 178 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:45.399 side of things with UAP. So you also look at relictominoids or sasquatch. 179 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.679 Are they connected? Do you think they're connected? Well, sorry, folks, 180 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.759 I gotta say I don't. I do not mix these two fields. 181 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.720 I mean, it would be really cool if there were some sort of connection, 182 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.799 if sasquatches were Chewbacca pets, you know, that were being dropped off 183 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.240 your own planet Earth. But you know right now, there is of course 184 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.960 no evidence that suggests that. And really, I don't think that we benefit 185 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.039 from trying to find you know, and I've heard people referred to it as 186 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.399 a grand unified theory of the so called paranormal Why do these things have to 187 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.480 be connected. I don't think they have to be connected. I don't think 188 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.600 that we have to see all this as some overarching mystery. I think that 189 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:26.159 Uap unto themselves, and then Sasquatch onto itself, are too found fantastic mysteries 190 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.039 without having to be connected. So yeah, I kind of am in the 191 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.200 You know, Sasquatch is a big ape camp Uap. We're not sure what 192 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.240 they are. They could be something extraordinary. Currently they just remain unidentified, 193 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.720 but there are no connections between the two. And yeah, like you said, 194 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.720 very well, you know, put the best evidence for either of those 195 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:46.080 or for any other anomalous phenomena that one wishes to study, you know, 196 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.600 put the best stuff you got forward. Try and appeal to scientists so that 197 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.399 these topics aren't completely ruled out of hand before they even have an opportunity to 198 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:58.360 be weighed on their merit and studied. Yeah, and I think that today's 199 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.759 psychology for a lot of people is that don't trust the scientists, don't trust 200 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:09.960 the man. We want them involved, We want them involved. I mean, 201 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.440 it would be really hard to argue no matter what side of the fence 202 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.399 or no matter what your take on sasquatches, happens to be that if you 203 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:22.840 look back people's involvement, you know, like Napier's involvement in the subject back 204 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:28.159 in the early nineteen seventies helped the subject. Doctor Meldrum's current involvement helps the 205 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.879 subject. Doctor Krantz's involvement helped the subject. We want more scientists, as 206 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.720 many as possible, to give an honest look at the evidence, because the 207 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.360 evidence can stand for itself. Things that are true can take all the scrutiny 208 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.200 that people want to give it and it'll still be true. Most scientists, 209 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.759 unfortunately, take a look at the evidence and point out things like hoaxes or 210 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:54.080 Ivan Marx's involvement or things like that and throw everything out throughout the Baby with 211 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.799 the Bathwater. We all know that hoaxes have existed. It's an unfair take 212 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.000 on the subject to do that, unfortunately. But we want people to take 213 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.919 a good, hard look at this subject because sasquatches are real animals, and 214 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.480 the longer you look, the more you'll be able to see that that is 215 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.519 true. Oh yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm very inclined to believe 216 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.120 that sasquatch is a real biological reality. I mean, and again, this 217 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.840 is one reason why I've been so interested in trying to collect information from federal 218 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.960 government and state government employees. It's not necessarily, in my view that they 219 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:31.240 are better witnesses in every instance, that they should always be deemed necessarily more 220 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.080 credible. But again, you do have in those instances qualified professionals, many 221 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.320 of whom do have specialized backgrounds and in their line of work, if they 222 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.759 have made an observation of a good candidate, for for instance, a relict 223 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.679 tominoid. You know, I do think that for those scientists who might have 224 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:52.600 been averse to the idea originally, some of them may find it compelling when 225 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.720 they hear will gosh. You know a lot of people who have worked for 226 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.679 government, people who are members of the armed forces, people who work in 227 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.639 law enforcement. They also have seen these things. So it's not just you 228 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.919 know, again the you know, the drunks and the hillbillies out there in 229 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.159 the hills who claim to see these things. No, there are a lot 230 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.840 of people, a lot of qualified professionals. And one reason I think that 231 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.240 that could help the sasquatch topic, again is because we've seen that very thing 232 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.000 happening, a sort of glass ceiling breaking with unidentified aerial phenomena in recent years. 233 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:26.000 Because let's just be clear, the government has always collected information about this, 234 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:30.879 and this has been something that has been a very contentious element of all 235 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:33.879 that for many years, but since twenty seventeen with a lot of revelations about 236 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:39.440 to what extent the government has been involved, and the result being updating of 237 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:46.279 reporting systems and attempts to try and end stigmas that have prevented members of the 238 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.960 Armed services from discussing things that they've encountered, experiences they've had, things that 239 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.279 they've observed. It's really kind of helped scientists to say, well, Okay, 240 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:00.279 there really might be something here. It's really helped them maybe become more 241 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.679 aware of the fact that not only is this data a very large data set, 242 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.240 but a lot of it comes from very credible sources, and hence more 243 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.639 scientists are getting involved. So for my own part, I'd love to see 244 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.159 the same thing happen with sasquatch, where we get to a point where people 245 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:16.919 say, okay, you know, there is a lot of good data. 246 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.440 The data, even if it's anecdotal, it comes from some very reliable resources, 247 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.200 and therefore we can look at this and we can say maybe this is 248 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.320 something indeed worthy of study. I think we could get to that point with 249 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.720 Sasquatch. We may already be getting to that point. You look at the 250 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:35.720 accellent work that people like Amy Boo with the Project Zoo book effort and things 251 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.000 like this. I mean, people are already beginning to an engage with the 252 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.039 academic community and they're taking note, they're taking interest. So that's very very 253 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:48.320 encouraging to me. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 254 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:56.720 Will be right back after these messages. Friend of mine, Darren Nay, 255 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.919 she's a high profile skeptic from the UK. He told me when he 256 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.679 was visiting my home here. But we're going through the cast and all that 257 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.799 sort of stuff in the garage and going over some of the evidence and whatever, 258 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:10.240 and which I believe he found very impressive. I mean, I don't 259 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:11.879 want to speak for him, but that was my take on that um And 260 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.559 he says, you know, Cliff, there's a lot of scientists out there 261 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.840 that are watching. They are back there watching silently, sitting there, watching 262 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:25.600 what you guys are doing. And to me, that's that's horrifying because I 263 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:26.519 look around and saying, oh no, I don't want them to see that 264 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.120 stuff, Like, look at look at the way the community, you know, 265 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.720 presents itself. Look at the way that the loudest people are saying the 266 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:37.039 most ridiculous things and all that sort of stuff. But the point you're saying 267 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.840 there is well taken because they are interested. So there are scientists, there 268 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.159 are institutions that are interested, which is why we all need to present the 269 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.240 subject in the most dignified, intelligent, sober manner that we possibly can. 270 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:55.200 Because the loudest, most ridiculous claims, which often get amplified by the media, 271 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.600 Um doesn't they don't do anybody any good, especially our subject in the 272 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.000 individuals involved in it. No one. And again, that's one thing I 273 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:04.720 really love about the podcast. You guys do again, you know, saying 274 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:11.400 rational but fun conversations that are engaging. You know, they're getting people interested. 275 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.359 I can guarantee among your listenership, I know those folks you're listening right 276 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.160 now, there are a lot of people former government, current active duty military, 277 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.400 scientific community, a lot of folks out there who are listening to this 278 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.519 conversation right now. You may not be putting your name out there and getting 279 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:26.759 involved, but we know you're out there, We know that you're interested, 280 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.200 and you know, I always just like to put it out to folks. 281 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.359 You know, if you are one of those individuals, if you'd like to 282 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.440 communicate with somebody, you know, like Cliff or Eye, we always invite 283 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.559 you to reach out and your privacy will be respected if you don't want your 284 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.359 information share. But we do think it's important to be able to hear from 285 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:47.279 people like that. I certainly do, because I learn a lot from people, 286 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:51.119 especially those in these unique positions, whether it's you know, employment in 287 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.880 government or in the sciences, when they have had at experienced themselves or made 288 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.599 an observation, you know, whether it's a relict, hominoid or you ap 289 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:02.480 or whatever else, any kind of unusual or extraordinary phenomenon in nature. Those 290 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:07.000 firsthand observations by really credible individuals to me have helped me, you know, 291 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.319 shape the way I look at the phenomenon and broadened my opinions about it. 292 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.839 And also just it encourages me too, you know, when I know that 293 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.000 there are people out there who have had personal relationships to this and they say, 294 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.160 look, I was your perennial skeptic, and then it happened. This 295 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.240 is what I saw that encourages me. It just, you know, Clifford 296 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.240 drives me to want to look even deeper. And plus, you know, 297 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.759 guys like you and I, our names are already involved. You know, 298 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.720 we've already got our names behind this, so it's too late for us to 299 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:34.799 get out now. So we're happy to go out there and look for the 300 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:38.680 stuff if others can't. Well, yeah, and you know I mentioned earlier 301 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.759 Matt Pruett's book, and there's a section in there that I was reading and 302 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.880 it never really occurred to me before. But he's absolutely right. Then. 303 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.920 This is from his book The Phenomenal Sausewatch where people ask why haven't they found 304 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.039 them yet? And people I hear it almost all the time. I hear 305 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.279 it almost every day in the museum, why haven't they got more pictures? 306 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.000 And I was learning, who who is this they they keep talking about? 307 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.359 And it brings up it's the institutions, because people, human beings have this 308 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:08.839 inclination to basically give away our own power essentially to other institutions, whether it's 309 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.720 the state or the church, or the school or whatever, like they give 310 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:17.480 away our own I'm not not sure what the word I'm looking for is, 311 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.799 but that they look for other people to be the authority figures so we can 312 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:26.720 believe them, you know. And by having governmental or scientific establishment involvement in 313 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:33.720 the subject, it satisfies that need for those people who perhaps need somebody else 314 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.000 to validate something for them. They have not gotten more photographs because of this, 315 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.119 or they have not proven it because of this, And I think that 316 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.279 that in itself is a huge boon to the subject in the same way. 317 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.480 Like for example, another parallel thing I think drives the same point home is 318 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.440 for a long time with a Matt Moneymaker, Matt has always been very very 319 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:57.400 focused on footage, whether it's photographic or video footage, and I'm thinking, 320 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.200 well, that's not going to prove anything. And I brought this up with 321 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.240 them, and MAT's a good friend. He's very intelligent. I know what. 322 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.799 Perhaps he rubs people some people the wrong way, but he's very logical 323 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.079 and he's very very intelligent hyper intelligence. So I asked him, so, 324 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.200 like, what why are you always so focused on that instead of actually proving 325 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.240 one and killing one, which I don't want to do that either, mind 326 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:22.079 you, but that's I understand, that's what's going to take right, He 327 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:23.559 goes, well, because first of all, he's not going to kill one 328 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.200 either, he's not really a gun guy or anything like that. But secondly, 329 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.519 he says, because photographs are going to increase public awareness about it, 330 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:34.480 and that in itself is a good thing because it'll get more and more people 331 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:40.319 because the scientific establishment is made out of the public. So the more people 332 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.839 that are interested, the more enthusiasm there is for the subject, and more 333 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:48.000 people thinking that these things are real. Just by default, more people in 334 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.599 these institutions and seats of power are going to be interested in the subject as 335 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:57.599 well. And I think that's one of the benefits of the institutional approach that 336 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.759 you're talking about here. Yeah, I agree, and I'll make a couple 337 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.200 of points about that. You know, one thing about the institutional side of 338 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.759 things is that, yes, it does present a degree of legitimization, right, 339 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.400 you know, we see, Okay, well, you know official people 340 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.279 agencies take interest in these topics. Now again, I'll be clear, having 341 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:21.279 worked for several years now filing Freedom of Information Act requests, public Records Act 342 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:23.759 requests, things like that, on a range of different topics that relate to 343 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:29.599 everything from UAP to missing persons and you know, crime, and also of 344 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:33.160 course, yes, relic tominoids or sasquatch. I can tell you I have 345 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.640 found no evidence of there being you know, some elite grouping government who's really 346 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.279 serious about trying to find sasquatch. If anything, it's just the opposite. 347 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.079 I don't see a tremendous amount of evidence in most agencies when I write to 348 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.720 them and look for information. I mean, they're straight up and they'll say 349 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:53.319 we don't keep records actively on that subject. But sometimes they'll also follow it 350 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.400 up by saying, but we do actually have a few things that are wildlife 351 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.240 biologists or you know, this division or that division have kept in formally and 352 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.799 we're happy to pass that along. And you know, sometimes you get stuff. 353 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:08.799 So one thing I often caution people about is using the presumption that well, 354 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:15.960 government interest therefore legitimizes, and or we can presume maybe that even if 355 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.640 they aren't forward facing with their interest, if we do some guesswork and presume 356 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.559 that maybe they have stuff and they're hiding it, then all we've got to 357 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.920 do is we've just got to try and pressure government, and eventually all this 358 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:29.119 stuff will be released. I mean, we've seen that for years with the 359 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.119 UAP thing. People constantly trying to say, well, you know, if 360 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:36.519 we just continue to put pressure on lawmakers and write to our elected officials, 361 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.039 tell them this means something to us, eventually we're going to have the big 362 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:42.880 D word disclosure. You know, I'm not so sure, first of all, 363 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.920 that there is as much in government holdings, although recent news seems to 364 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.839 suggest that there is potentially quite a lot. Maybe we'll get into that, 365 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:53.559 but I've always been very cautious about presuming that there's a whole bunch of stuff 366 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:59.960 being withheld from the public and that the only avenue that's worthwhile is leveraging pressure 367 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.160 against government to get them to release it. And here's why, because at 368 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:04.160 the end of the day, one or two things could happen. Either they 369 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.759 have it and they won't release it, or they don't have as much as 370 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.359 you hoped for, and then what have you done? You You've wasted so 371 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.920 much time. So, especially when it comes to the relictominoid thing, you 372 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.400 know, citizen action, citizen science, that's incredibly important, and the same 373 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.880 goes for UFOs, you know, I'd loves more people out there, even 374 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.680 if you aren't a scientist, per se, go buy a telescope, you 375 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:29.319 know, learn a little about the night sky. Educate yourself online in astronomy, 376 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.240 you know, learn things like this, Learn about meteorology, learn about 377 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.720 relevant areas of science. Learn what to look for and what not to look 378 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.839 for. If you're interested in sasquats, learn about you know, man tracking, 379 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.799 learn about biology, you know, study different animal behaviors, learn about 380 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.200 wilderness and survival training, things like this. You know, that's so important 381 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.000 because I worry sometimes that if we put too much emphasis on the institutional, 382 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.279 we may miss some great opportunities and some headway that we could be making ourselves. 383 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:59.839 So again, you know, being a week end warriors an important asp 384 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.559 back to this too, getting out there in the field, getting your feet 385 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:04.599 muddy and having a good time, whether or not you find sasquatch, but 386 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.839 of course always attempting to try and contribute in that way too. Yeah, 387 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.880 like empower yourself because that kind of goes back to one of those points I 388 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.400 was I kind of tangentially touched upon, is that people give their power away 389 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.640 to these institutions, and it reminds me of my friend Tom Powell, who 390 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:25.240 I disagree with wholeheartedly about sasquatches. He's very paranormal, but he always says, 391 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:27.720 it's really easy to convince yourself sasquatches are real. It's really hard to 392 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:32.799 convince other people. Not that I think that's a fruitful adventure anyway, Who 393 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:33.839 cares what other people think. There's people that will argue with you that the 394 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.279 Earth's flat. Who cares what other people are saying? Right, But it's 395 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.680 really easy to convince yourself. And the more you educate yourself on skills like 396 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.119 bushcraft or astronomy or outdoor things or tracking or whatever, you're going to be 397 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.680 out there in the right habitat, doing what you need to do to be 398 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.920 around sasquatches, and then maybe you'll have an experience that will eventually end up 399 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.279 convincing you. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, think about this too. 400 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.759 I mean, how many people who have those experiences. We're not out 401 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.000 there looking for the phenomena they end up having the encounter with In fact, 402 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:07.640 I mean, and I would maybe just guess based on my own experience from 403 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.319 collecting accounts from individuals. Sadly, I've never seen what I think is unequivocally 404 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.519 a UFO A certainly have never seen anything I think was related to sasquatch. 405 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:22.400 But most of the people who I've spoken to who have and who share those 406 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.240 experiences, you know, they weren't out there looking for it. Again, 407 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:29.119 in the case of those in government who've had those experiences, most of those 408 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.960 people never even would have hazarded to guess that there could have been something like 409 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.440 sasquatch when they had their encounter. And that's what's really interesting about it is 410 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:44.160 it seemingly took them completely by surprise and entirely off guard, having had no 411 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.680 expectation of ever seeing something like that, and then it is just thrust into 412 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.480 their reality. And again you talk about a paradigm shift on a personal level, 413 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.920 when somebody who was not even a skeptic, it's more like they just 414 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.079 never even thought about that, and then all of a sudden, they're looking 415 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.119 at sasquatch. And those are to me some of the most incredible encounters, 416 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:06.359 you know, as far as government agencies and whatnot. Having this information, 417 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.160 whether we're talking about UAPs or sasquatches or whatever like that, I can totally 418 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:15.200 see them collecting a lot more data on UAPs because number one, it could 419 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.440 potentially be a security threat of some sort. And I'm not talking necessarily about 420 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:25.440 you know, extraterrestrials or interdimensional consciousnesses or whatever, you know, like that 421 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:30.960 sort of thing. I'm talking about if say, an unfriendly national power got 422 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:36.759 a hold of technology that was we couldn't tell the difference between that and the 423 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:41.079 UFO stuff Like if say, these these deemed quote unquote you know, foreign 424 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.119 enemies had access to technology like that, it would scare the willies out of 425 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.880 the US government, of course, but also probably even more of more interest. 426 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.279 And this is the cynical cliff guy. You know. Um, I 427 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.799 think they see dollar signs when they see that sort of stuff, because I 428 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:03.160 think a big portion of our economy is driven by the military and industrial complex. 429 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.079 So much money is there, so many people are employed by the government 430 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:12.119 in that sort of way that they have a super high interest, whereas poor 431 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.240 old Bigfoot, you know, there's I don't think there's a lot of money 432 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.960 to be made there for them. You know, it's going to cost a 433 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.079 couple industries a little bit of money, like logging or road building or things 434 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.880 like that, but for the most part, there's not like there's not like, 435 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.200 you know, billions of dollars on the line when it comes to sasquatches. 436 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.640 Yeah, those are really very important points to make. Again, you 437 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.920 know, sasquatch is fascinating as that possibility is the recognition of its existence if 438 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.359 anything. And this is by the way, in no way by intent on 439 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:48.160 my part to you know, espouse and conspiracy theory. I don't really generally 440 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.839 think that using conspiracy theories necessarily help an argument, and so you know, 441 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.839 great philosophers would tell you don't appeal to conspiracy theories when you're making those. 442 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.480 So all that said, I think that it's very likely that a lot of 443 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:07.079 industries would potentially be more harmed than helped by the revelation that a creature like 444 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.799 sasquatch exists, which you know, pretty much like you're pointing out logging industry. 445 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.200 Think about issues that this might raise for the national parks. Right now, 446 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.960 we do have some park officials at various different national parks around the country 447 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.039 that are kind of beginning to embrace sasquatch. But they're using it and I 448 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.839 think this is a good idea. They're using it as a fun kind of 449 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.279 educative thing. A means by which to get people interested in getting out into 450 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.839 the forest and enjoying nature. And that's good. I don't think though, 451 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.720 it should be something that you know, is just entirely just treated whimsically. 452 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.160 Again, I take very seriously the idea that there is a flesh and blood 453 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.119 biological reality to sasquatch. But if it's helpful in terms of getting people out 454 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.720 there into the woods, hey great, I love it. But like you 455 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.759 mentioned, Cliff, with regard to UAP, in terms of relevance to government 456 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:59.599 interest, here, we don't seem to have a intelligence or even if we 457 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.680 say that sasquatches maybe more intelligent than the average animal, but still quote unquote 458 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.000 a big dumb ape in terms of its relation to humans, we still have 459 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.680 a very unique organism that alone is not interesting enough to government. Whereas with 460 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:17.400 UAP, we appear to have a technology, something that was highly intelligent that 461 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:22.000 must have produced this technology. Whether that be of an earthly provenance or from 462 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:23.400 someplace else, we just don't know. And so, like you said, 463 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:30.119 we cannot risk the possibility that a country like China or Russia might have made 464 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.000 some sort of incredible technology. You know, they could have seen some sort 465 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:38.920 of incredible technological development and done so in relative secrecy that the US has not 466 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.599 yet learned about, but that we're beginning to observe. And that's what some 467 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.400 of these UAP are. Yeah, they don't want to take that chance. 468 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.279 And so it's obvious why UAP is of greater relevance to government. But I 469 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.920 think it gets lost in the mix, though, is that a lot of 470 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.160 the more skeptically inclined look at the topic these days, with the recent developments 471 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.160 that have occurred, and they say, look, you have the DoD it's 472 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.000 newly established All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. They're saying a lot of these phenomena 473 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.640 that they're observing and that they're collecting information on or balloon like or drone like. 474 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.960 It's probably because most of them are balloons and drones, and those are 475 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:17.640 probably balloons and drones being operated by foreign adversaries, not extraterrestrials. Point taken, 476 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:19.160 and again, in the interests of national security, they're going to look 477 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:25.240 at that possibility because that's what's most directly pertinent to ensuring the safety of this 478 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.920 nation. So it's obvious why they would be looking at anything that seems out 479 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.200 of place or potentially concerning anything that challenges our airspace. But there's always that 480 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.720 possibility, and many intelligence officials know less. Among them, the Director of 481 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.559 National Intelligence, Avril Haynes, has recently said, Yeah, but we're open 482 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.400 to the possibility that some of these things, and make no mistakes, some 483 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.240 do seem to display capabilities that are not easily reconciled in terms of known technologies. 484 00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:53.119 Were open to the possibility that some may come extraterrestrially. So I understand 485 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.759 why government would be more interested in one. But bringing that back down to 486 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:03.119 academia, to me, the idea that a non human again, whether we 487 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.160 call sasquats intelligent or not, that a non human species is in our midst 488 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.599 That's another one of those commonalities we have between UAP and sasquats, the potential 489 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.119 that we're going to discover something that's closer to humans than anything else we've ever 490 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.960 seen in that in any case, either way it goes, would be the 491 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.880 greatest discovery of all time for the sciences. To me, stay tuned for 492 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.480 more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. 493 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.680 For me, the first inclination that at least the first like a high 494 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.960 resolution look of like the modern age of all this sort of thing to me 495 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.960 was the Podesta emails. This is during the Hillary email leaks, where in 496 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.400 Wikipedia got to hold everything and put it all out and I so those are 497 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.880 out there, and someone mentioned to me, yeah, I look up UFOs. 498 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.000 It's going to blow your mind. Is okay? Cool? I did 499 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.559 it. That's where I first heard of UAPs, for example, And they 500 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:05.359 had academics from institutions emails and corresponding with government agencies about things like quote unquote 501 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:15.599 celestials and interdimensional intelligences and this idea that they're trading this non non nuclear or 502 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.400 nuclear non proliferation for technology and this things like that, And when like, 503 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.119 oh wow, look at that. That's co crazy stuff going on, and 504 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.920 this kind of wrote it after that. But here we are today where a 505 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:30.240 lot of this stuff is becoming declassified. I think as recently as yesterday, 506 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.640 I was scrolling through Twitter news feeds that I'm saying that the House is trying 507 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.079 to pass some sort of legislation about them not withholding and correct me or farmer, 508 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.720 actually refine what I'm saying, cause I know there's something going on, 509 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.480 and you probably know far more about it than I ever will. The House 510 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.319 is trying to put some sort of legislation forward to saying that you can't withhold 511 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:53.759 like basically extraterrestrial technology from them. And it's just this phenomenal time. So 512 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:59.839 what is the current state of this subject in the government as far as you 513 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.960 know? So right now you correctly point out that again Congress is back in 514 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.000 the game. They really have stayed in the game in the last several National 515 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:13.519 Defense Authorization Acts, which is basically the big defense spending bill that's signed into 516 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.160 law by the President each year, and it provides kind of the roadmap for 517 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:21.119 where the armed forces go and you know what the DoD will do. Basically 518 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:27.480 for the last several years that bill has included UAP related legislation, and now 519 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.039 there is new draft language that will go in the twenty twenty four bill, 520 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.559 which is dealing with exactly what you're talking about. It's aimed at trying to 521 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:42.000 determine if and also to provide a means through which information about craft of non 522 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.920 human origin if it exists, And that's the term they like to use these 523 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:50.319 days, because they're saying, we aren't sure if it's necessarily extraterrestrial. We 524 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.079 just know that, according to what some have said in recent days, that 525 00:33:53.200 --> 00:34:00.480 there are purportedly craft of nonhuman origin that the government, perhaps some contractors special 526 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.799 excess programs and things like this, may have knowledge of, may actually have 527 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.799 acquired and now have in their possession. And so Congress is trying to create 528 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.719 essentially a means through which that can be revealed. Now to back up just 529 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.800 for a moment, because you make a really good point there, Cliff, 530 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.480 Like you mentioned the Podesta emails that were leaked, like yourself, and I 531 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.639 don't know why more people don't bring that up. I found those really interesting. 532 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.400 Podesta had been in contact with a lot of interesting people and at that 533 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.719 time that those emails leaked. We should point out again those emails I believe 534 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.519 we're actually made available online by wiki leaks. This was for political reasons, 535 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.840 because this was during a very contentious election year. Podesta, of course was 536 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.920 a part of the campaign that was actually attempting to elect a president at that 537 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.679 time, Hillary Clinton. She ended up losing the election, But in the 538 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:51.719 midst of all that there were these emails from Podesta regarding these meetings he had 539 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:53.760 been having with individuals. One of those individuals. For instance, had been 540 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:58.199 Tom DeLong, the former guitarist and singer. Actually he's back with the band 541 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.800 Blink when eighty two now, who went on to form this organization called to 542 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.840 the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences. But he had been bringing with him 543 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.119 to Washington to meet Podesta a guy named Major General William mccaslan, who at 544 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:15.360 the time oversaw the scientific Division at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. So basically 545 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.480 he was in charge of about eleven thousand employees, I believe, and they 546 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.360 oversaw the science division within the Air Force. They're at right pat and they 547 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.840 were going to meet Podesta to talk about UFOs in the middle of an election 548 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:30.039 year. I mean, there must have been some genuine interest in something for 549 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.480 that to have been occurring. Now, fast forward to twenty seventeen. The 550 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.639 following December, of course, there was an article that broke in The New 551 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:40.960 York Times that was by a couple of authors, Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal, 552 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.920 who happened to be the authors of an article that was recently published by 553 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.719 my publication, The Debrief, which is available online at the debrief dot org. 554 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:55.960 That publication featured their latest offering which entails the claims of a former member 555 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.599 of government who worked for a number of different organizations, the NRO more recently 556 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.280 the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and he was a liaison to what was called 557 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.239 the UAP Task Force, which was officially sanctioned back in twenty twenty under the 558 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.159 cognizance of the Department of the Navy, but it was basically the UAP investigative 559 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.280 component within government. It's since been replaced by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office 560 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:24.599 within the DoD. When the UAP Task Force was in operation, David Grush 561 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:29.960 had been the liaison for the National Geospacial Intelligence Agency, and that guy has 562 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.920 now come out and in Canam Blumenthal's recent article that we published, has said, 563 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.440 Look, while I was doing work in relation to the UAP issue for 564 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.559 the task Force, there were several insiders that came to me and they said 565 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:47.159 that they had knowledge of a program and that this program involved the acquisition of 566 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:52.840 and maybe also things like reverse engineering and things like this, but essentially that 567 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.199 there had been acquired craft that are believed would be of non human origin, 568 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.480 and this information has been illegally withheld from Congress and thereby, of course from 569 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:05.280 the American people. So the long story short, he decided to file an 570 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.679 official complaint with the Intelligence Community Inspector General. And what this means is that 571 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:14.159 he is there by going the entire thing is going to be investigated. But 572 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.639 if he were to be found guilty of making, for instance, false statements 573 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:20.840 about all this, if that were the result of this investigation, I mean, 574 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.880 he could be held criminally liable for doing that. So he stands to 575 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:28.000 lose nothing. I mean, he loses everything actually if he has misspoken, 576 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.719 if he has told any information and is found to have knowingly done so, 577 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.880 he doesn't gain anything from lying. So many people are looking at this saying, 578 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.239 well, you know, I mean, given those circumstances, it definitely 579 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:43.719 seems like he believes the information that he's provided to Congress, or rather to 580 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.400 the IC Inspector General. He seems to believe that this information is true. 581 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.199 We've got to wait and see what the results of this investigation will be. 582 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.559 But that is essentially what has caused, like you said, Cliff, Congress 583 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:57.360 now to get involved, and they're already drafting legislation to try and say, 584 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.440 hey, look, if this stuff has been going on and we haven't been 585 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.639 informed we need to know about it. And then as recently as just the 586 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:06.840 last couple of days, Senator Mark Rubio of Florida has also come out and 587 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.960 said, look, he's not the only whistle blower we've spoken to. There 588 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.760 are others that have told us very similar things about so called legacy programs. 589 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.920 So they do seem to think a lot of information may have been withheld from 590 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.880 Congress, of course from the American people, and now elected officials are trying 591 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.000 to get to the bottom of how much and indeed if all that information can 592 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.360 be verified. And just to catch me up, because I'm not in the 593 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.159 the UAP game. I'm just a humble, little big footer, you know, 594 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:35.000 looking for prince in the woods for the most part, just to catch 595 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.159 myself up. This is what we were talking about now is essentially the central 596 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:44.960 hub of the last say two weeks of UAP whistle blower news. Is that 597 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.440 correct? Like when I look at whistle blower blah blah blah UAP stuff, 598 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.880 that's this is exactly what you're talking about, right, This is exactly what 599 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.239 we're talking about. Yeah. In fact, I think the listeners will appreciate 600 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.039 this. The weekend that I was working with the two authors, Kane and 601 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.719 Bloomenthal. They approach us about this article for various reasons. I think it 602 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.079 had been somewhat erroneously reported in the media that well, they'd gone to a 603 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.239 bunch of big publications and they all turned it down. That's not actually accurate. 604 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.599 There'd been several publications they've been working with, but the name of the 605 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.199 whistleblower had leaked online. And while many of those publications said, well, 606 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.880 we need more time, Kanam Bluenthal were concerned about various aspects of what could 607 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.760 happen if they waited too long. But make no mistake, many publications, 608 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.920 including The Washington Post and Politico had been approached. They also wanted the story, 609 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.559 and I'd been informed about that before we actually ended up accepting it for 610 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.039 publication ourselves. My advice had been, look, get it in the biggest 611 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:43.760 publication that will take it. But time became a concern for the authors, 612 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.559 and they said, you know, we're going to lose the story if we 613 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.559 wait too much longer. When they approached me and said, would you be 614 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.519 interested in having your publication Prentice, I said, on the condition that my 615 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.159 team can independently vet those sources. Go through all the background checking, which 616 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.480 we had enough time to be able to do. But it was quite an 617 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:04.239 interesting time because while my team was doing that, I was handling the editorial 618 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.400 side of things, you know, having phone calls with the two authors getting 619 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.440 things lined up, while you and I were at an event together. Yeah 620 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:13.320 again, monster request gets in the our monster fest, you know, gets 621 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.159 in the way. Literally. As Cliff and I are riding to the airport 622 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.760 on Sunday with our pala Aarondese, you know, I'm seeing these incredible footprint 623 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.039 photographs you're showing and stuff. Let's just say that there was the weight of 624 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.679 the world on my shoulders at that time, my friend, and so I'm 625 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.960 glad to be able to come out and now say, yeah, this is 626 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.199 the story everybody's been hearing about. And I think that the net result has 627 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.320 been positive because, like Marco Rubio said in the last couple of days, 628 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.079 if Grush is you know, if he believes what has been said and what 629 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.320 he has been told, and if any of that ends up being true, 630 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.280 it's going to be really important. Again, like you said, it might 631 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:45.400 not impress everybody out there, but I'm sure there are going to be a 632 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.719 few scientists and you know others and officialdom that are going to find this really 633 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.440 important. It's going to be arguably the hugest story in all history. But 634 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.599 if it ends up being the case that someone has misled him and there's someone 635 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.360 in the upper chalons of f who is you know, seeding bad information, 636 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.920 as Marco Rubio said, that two should be investigated. So I think this 637 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.400 is very important to get to the bottom of whichever direction the investigation goes. 638 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.239 But yes, this is the whistleblower story everybody's been hearing about. And again, 639 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:15.639 this is the strange and small world that we live in. That Cliff 640 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.599 and I were in a car together the weekend this was all coming down. 641 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.559 Yeah, yeah, it's pretty whacky. Man. Life is like that. 642 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.519 So this is all, you know, moving through the halls, the halls 643 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.800 of power basically in Washington, DC at this point, and those wheels churned 644 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.280 very very slowly. So um, but it's all coming down the next couple 645 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.840 of months probably what what what would you expect or what are some of the 646 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.119 things that one might expect to see over the next couple of months ort to 647 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.599 hear about? Well, as some like I've mentioned Marco Rubio, also US 648 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.639 Senator Kirsten Jillibrand of New York, who has really kind of led the charge 649 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:59.000 with drafting legislation for the various bills that have featured UAP related language. Several 650 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.000 members of the House and Senate have been really active with all this, And 651 00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.519 so right now what I would expect to see is indeed, we're going to 652 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.719 probably see bipartisan language that's going to go into law. It will be signed 653 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.559 into law in early twenty twenty four in the next INDAA. But in the 654 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.960 meantime, the current language for this year's bill already has wait for it, 655 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.880 a whistleblower provision. So it's no big surprise that people are starting to come 656 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:29.039 forward and talk about this because it had been included in the language of this 657 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:34.400 year's bill that there should be protections for anyone who has knowledge of any kinds 658 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.559 of special access programs, you know, programs that have been kept out of 659 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.679 the purview of not only the public, but many in government too, And 660 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.920 if individuals from those programs or people in other areas of government have knowledge about 661 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:52.719 this, they are essentially offered protections for coming forward and informing Congress about it. 662 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.239 So there are already elected officials, saying there are others who have spoken 663 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.440 about this, some may be coming forward. I would say what we can 664 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.679 expect probably in the weeks and months ahead, is that we will probably be 665 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.679 hearing from some others, and certainly we'll see some more bill language. But 666 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.440 again, the question I guess on everybody's mind is when is there going to 667 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:16.079 be unequivocal evidence that supports these claims. One of the issues people people have 668 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.079 raised as well. You know, Grush says that he has provided documents in 669 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:25.239 the form of classified information transcriptions and things to the Inspector General of the intelligence 670 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.840 community. Everybody wants to see the UFO photos and the videos and stuff. 671 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.280 You know, I'd like to see those two and we have seen a few. 672 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.400 There were a few that were released. Of course, there were first 673 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.320 leaked in twenty seventeen. They appeared in the New York Times. One of 674 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:42.239 those three videos had already been floating around for years, and that's the famous 675 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:46.199 tic Tac that was filmed off the coast of California. Still a really interesting 676 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.599 video in my opinion, And no, I don't think it's a pelican or 677 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.719 anything else that a lot of the skeptics have made it out to be. 678 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.119 Maybe they actually try to say pill akin because it does look like a pill, 679 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.199 That's what I meant, Yeah, Pilican, of course, I mean, 680 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.679 you know, they've been all different suppositions about what it may be. 681 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.639 The bottom line is it's unidentified. I mean currently THEDD still characterizes that one 682 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.599 as unidentified. They don't know what it is. And we could come back 683 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.559 and talk about that in a moment, but again, in the immediate sense, 684 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.079 you know, what we can expect to see. I would hope maybe 685 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:19.719 that we'll see some additional video, photographs and other things that might help substantiate 686 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.360 some of the claims. But certainly for the time being, will probably be 687 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.840 hearing more about Grush and what he is reportedly larned, And there may be 688 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.199 some other whistleblowers who have similar stories who'll be coming forward in the days ahead 689 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.960 as well. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 690 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:45.719 Will be right back after these messages. Now, how is what is unfolding 691 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.159 here in the United States paralleling what is happening in other places? Like it 692 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.119 wasn't it Chile who declassified a lot of their UAP stuff a few years before 693 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.920 the US. Yeah, I believe they may have, and of course Brazil 694 00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:59.840 did. And you know, I spent a lot of time done in Brazil. 695 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.639 I think I had to miss an opportunity to go squatch and maybe with 696 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:06.760 Matt Pruitt, because I was in Brazil a couple of years, or actually 697 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.800 I guess it was probably early last year, and I've spent enough time down 698 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.360 there and gotten to know some of the former lawmakers who were interested in this 699 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:19.199 subject. In Brazil, their national archives boasts an impressive collection of government documentation 700 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.880 about their experiences and their interest in this phenomenon. And it's funny because I 701 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.239 have seen some who have said, you know, this is a culture bound 702 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.400 phenomenon. There's a reason why only the United States and its citizens claim to 703 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.920 see UFOs, and only its government is actively pursuing answers about this phenomenon. 704 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.840 But that's not true. These things certainly have been seen in other parts of 705 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.199 the world, and other governments have taken interest. Quick examples, since we 706 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.559 were talking about Brazil, we had back in the nineteen seventies, so many 707 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:52.480 residents along this little coastal town in northern Brazil called Cholaris that were alleging not 708 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:57.119 only that they were seeing objects, but several of the residents claimed to have 709 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.480 actually been accosted by these things. You know, again UAP attacks. They 710 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.920 aren't frequent occurrences, but they do happen, and the Islanders down there at 711 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.079 Coolaris were saying that this had happened to them. Now the Brazilian government responds 712 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.320 to this and they put together what at the time, and my Portuguese is 713 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.119 terrible, but bear with me, Opera sal Pratu, which essentially translates to 714 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:21.880 mean Operation Plate or Operation Saucer. There was an official air Force, Brazilian 715 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.239 Air Force investigation into these incidents. There were some photographs and video that were 716 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:29.239 I guess it would have been filmed back in the seventies that were obtained of 717 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.320 the aerial phenomena in question. And again the Brazilian National Archives have made those 718 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:37.159 kinds of documents available to the public. And I had a dear friend who 719 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.239 was a great researcher in Brazil who just passed away earlier this year, A 720 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.719 J. Givard. But he had really really led the charge in terms of 721 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.679 trying to push for transparency in his country and also to obtain a lot of 722 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:53.639 those documents and make the public more aware of their presence and what they entailed. 723 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.800 So to your point, yeah, a lot of countries have been involved 724 00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.800 in this. I can't speak with the same level of about what maybe has 725 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:06.360 happened in China, although I will point out that once the UAP Task Force 726 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.159 had been established here in the United States, there had been a lot of 727 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.000 Chinese I guess official news outlets, state controlled media there in China that came 728 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.400 out saying that the Chinese government's going to use artificial intelligence and we're going to 729 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.199 figure out what UAP are before the Americans do. So it's interesting to see 730 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.360 that sort of dynamic, you know, we're going to beat him to the 731 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.199 punch. But the broader takeaway seemed to have been that China indeed is interested 732 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.559 in this phenomena just like the Americans are. And so for those who would 733 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.960 say, well, we're just worried about whether Chinese drones are what some of 734 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.400 our personnel are encountering when they see these UAP, it seems that China's concerned 735 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:43.760 about what these things might be and that they're trying to get to the bottom 736 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.400 of it too. So I mean, for what that's worth, again, 737 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.400 it does seem to point to the worldliness of this phenomenon. Yeah, it 738 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.400 can't just be an American thing. And of course we also had a James 739 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.400 Fox on the program a couple of times now, and he's done a tremendous 740 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.239 amount of research down in Brazil, so it's kind of funny that you brought 741 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.679 that particular entry up. He's had various degrees of success, I guess, 742 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.000 with working with governmental agencies and what knock down there. And he was a 743 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:12.400 fascinating guest and a really cool guy in general. Yeah right, great guy 744 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.320 too, very well research, very very well, Resoarch. At this point, 745 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:22.039 what's your best guess what the hell is going on? I'm still ain't 746 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.599 saying it's sasquatch as far as um you know what I think is going on 747 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:30.280 again? You know, sasquatch, for instance, is a simple problem. 748 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:31.679 And by that I mean, and Cliff, I've heard you and Bobo say 749 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.159 this many times, you know, I mean they're probably just apes. I 750 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.280 mean, all the evidence points to this just being a biological phenomenon. It's 751 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:44.559 an animal, and somehow it has remained incredibly wary of humans, wary enough 752 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:50.360 that they're pretty hard to reconcile in terms of, you know, obtaining that 753 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:54.679 physical evidence, and UAP aren't unlike that in the sense that this is a 754 00:48:54.800 --> 00:49:01.000 similarly similarly evasive phenomenon. Again, a great definition of the paranormal appears in 755 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:07.480 Matt Pruitt's new book The Phenomenal Sasquatch, where he's talking about how phenomena that 756 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.880 are reported throughout history and that seem to be fairly a common occurrences but actually 757 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.960 are incredibly rare. That's a good way to look at both sasquatch and UAP. 758 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.519 Lots of people say they've seen these things and encountered them, but they're 759 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.159 actually extremely rare phenomena. As far as what I think is going on and 760 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:28.519 what UAP may represent, I mean, it's about anybody's guests. I've always 761 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.840 been fond of the possibility that there could be an extraterrestrial phenomenon. But if 762 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.079 we want to go down the rabbit hole here for a moment and say, 763 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.519 you know, what are the other possibilities. There have been people who have 764 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.000 proposed the idea that we may be seeing you some sort of developments that are 765 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.679 occurring behind the scenes here on Earth, and that a lot of these may 766 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.760 just be secret technologies of ours that might help account for why when there are 767 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.480 observations of the occupants of some of these craft that they often do appear very 768 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:59.519 human like and in some instances almost indistinguishable from humans. In some instances, 769 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.000 people have said that the reason they look so much like humans might be because 770 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.920 they are humans. But maybe they aren't humans from our temporal reality. They 771 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.760 could be humans from another dimension. They could be humans for another period in 772 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.079 time, and other words, it could be us from the future coming back 773 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:20.199 to view successive generations from the past and observe how we lived in our present 774 00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:25.920 day. There's always that idea that we could be dealing with extraterrestrial visitors that 775 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.360 just traverse great distances through space to get here. But there's also that fun 776 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.079 idea that's kind of what you see in the Matrix films, that maybe we 777 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.760 live in a simulation and that the operators of the Matrix when they intersect with 778 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.000 our reality, they appear to us as UFOs. And you know, for 779 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:43.880 all we know, if we're going to go that far out on a lem 780 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.840 to try and suppose what UAP might be, maybe sasquatches or glitches in the 781 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.599 matrix too, But if I had to really bet on any of those circumstances, 782 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.119 my view would probably be that, again, UAP appear to be physical, 783 00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:59.840 tangible craft. We don't know where they're from, but I'm very open 784 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.079 to the possibility, especially if more and more evidence seems to point in this 785 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:08.320 direction that extraterrestrials or some extraterrestrial technology at very least. You know, it 786 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:12.840 could be autonomous probes that are being controlled remotely, or they could just be 787 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.320 completely autonomously controlled, but it could be some kind of an exotic technology. 788 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.719 Now we'd need to see more evidence before we can lead with that presumption, 789 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.760 but I am fond of that idea without getting married to it. And again 790 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:28.239 that's kind of my corollary for the Sasquatches, the big dumb ape idea. 791 00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.440 I'm not trying to be mean by calling it a big dumb ape. I'm 792 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.800 just saying I mean, I think that if we get so far out in 793 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.119 our thinking about either of these phenomena, we really don't do ourselves any favors. 794 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.000 This comes back to what you were talking about, Cliff, you know, 795 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.519 put your best data first. I think it's unnecessarily reductionist to say that, 796 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.599 oh UAP can very easily be explained. They can't trust me. The 797 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.599 United States federal government would not take such interest in this phenomenon as they do 798 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:58.840 if this were easily reconcilable and they didn't think there was anything worthy of study. 799 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.360 Again, we should put our best data forward, and for me, 800 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.880 a lot of that data is what we are now seeing coming out of government, 801 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.639 and there are a lot of researchers myself included in my team with a 802 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.760 debrief to McMillan, m J. Banias, and others who are actively involved 803 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.719 in trying to appeal to government. We're speaking with people who have worked in 804 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.559 government past and present, and as journalists were trying to get to the bottom 805 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.880 of what they know and how that could help us frame what we may be 806 00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:27.199 dealing with. But again, I keep saying that if we have seen this 807 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.039 glass ceiling broken in recent years with the UAP issue, it's gone through this 808 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:36.000 legitimization. We're now seeing lawmakers taking the subject seriously. We may not be 809 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.079 able to see all the same developments happening with Sasquatch, but I do think 810 00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:45.760 that a similar approach toward trying to understand that phenomenon could also result in more 811 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.800 people taking it seriously, more scientists getting involved, and who knows, It 812 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.440 could also be that there are some records that will eventually obtain that indicate that 813 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.840 at various times, even to a small degree, that there have been government 814 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.920 agencies on the state level or federal have also taken interest in the sasquatch issue. 815 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:04.440 Oh, certainly they have. Certainly. You know, one thing that 816 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.199 you keep saying that I love the fact that you keep coming back to it 817 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.880 is that you keep mentioning to basically follow the evidence. Wherever the evidence leads, 818 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.960 that's where we need to go. And that is what comes down. 819 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.599 It comes down to for not only UAPs, but sasquatches as well. Of 820 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.960 course, you're throwing around a big dumb ape, and I know that you 821 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.920 don't really think that way because of that, but that's the general idea that 822 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:29.519 if you say these things are an animal, then the people who are less 823 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.400 aware of how fantastic and intelligent whatever apes are, they say, oh, 824 00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:35.880 Cliff, you just think they're a big dumb ape. So no, no, 825 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.679 not at all. I think fact they're a really big, really intelligent 826 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.719 ape. Actually, you know, and I'm sure I've talked to you about 827 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.639 this way, and I know that that's your case as well, but I 828 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.239 want to clarify that for listeners that in a way, that's almost a throwaway 829 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:52.800 line because when people ask are they humans or are they apes, which is 830 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.360 a ridiculous question, of course, because that's like asking is it a coyote 831 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:59.920 or is it a canine? Right, It's a meaningless question, unfortunately. 832 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.880 But but generally speaking, people who are unaware of our own biological family and 833 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.079 are in the way that taxonomy works and in our you know, the way 834 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.280 that evolution works, etc. They throw so clip you think they're a big 835 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.480 dumb ape. No, no, not at all. They are big. 836 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.880 They are apes, but they're not dumb, right, And I want to 837 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:20.159 point it out before people get all their feathers in a big uproar out there. 838 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:22.880 I appreciate you making that point, and actually I'll clarify further to that. 839 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:29.079 Again, by that, I mean in no way as a pejorative to 840 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:35.880 ascribe low intelligence to sasquatch, which is if indeed the characteristics that are often 841 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.280 attributed to the creature by those who have encountered it are accurate representations of how 842 00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:44.320 sasquatch behaves. It's arguably second to humans, the most intelligent creature out there. 843 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.599 Okay, and by some measures it may be more intelligent than we are. 844 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.599 But what does say they don't have jobs or pay taxes and that proves 845 00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.440 they're murder You can't argue that, can you? You know? So, 846 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:54.960 I mean in some ways, and you know, I've talked with a lot 847 00:54:55.000 --> 00:55:00.480 of friends, you know, naturalists, philosophers who say that one of the 848 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:07.760 greatest problems that humans have ever created for themselves are civilization, society and the 849 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.639 intricacies. I mean, it gives us a lot of really good things, 850 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.920 right, I mean, easy access to food and shelter and things like this. 851 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:21.280 But really, anybody who spends any time camping or out in nature and 852 00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.559 reverting back to the wild so to speak, I mean, I think they 853 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:29.559 will have the experience of realizing what we have lost by becoming so dependent on 854 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:34.000 a structured kind of civilization, the likes of which we have today. I 855 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.840 know, I love that. And whether or not I find sasquatch when I'm 856 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.320 out there in the forest, you know, with Matt Prude or whoever, 857 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.800 and we're out there stomping around in the foothills of Georgia. I mean, 858 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.840 to me, getting back to nature in itself is something I just love. 859 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.039 And in that regard, I mean, I look at a creature like sasquatch 860 00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:53.679 that has evolved to resemble and in many ways even behave like humans. We've 861 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:58.400 got a bipedal ape It's very large, it's very clever, very cunning, 862 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:05.840 very capable of finding food and obviously sheltering itself against the elements, and yet 863 00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:10.400 it hasn't become encumbered by a lot of the things that society imposes on humans 864 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.960 today. I mean, maybe that's sort of a romantic outlook, but I 865 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:15.519 think there's actually some truth to that too. So in some ways, you 866 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:20.920 might say sasquatch, who is actually more intelligent than we are. It's avoided 867 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.440 a lot of the perils that humans now face by remaining hidden out there in 868 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.760 the forest and living simply and enjoying nature. Getting back to the UAP thing 869 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.400 real fast. I'm Melissa and I my wife, we said her, and 870 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.760 we're astonished because Melissa's kind of a UFO girl, right, she likes this 871 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.800 sort of thing UFOs and ghosts and stuff. So I'm exposed a lot of 872 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:45.159 this stuff through her. We're astonished that more people aren't interested, you know, 873 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.400 I mean, they'd rather watch a reality TV show about you know, 874 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.840 a family or the Gardassians or something. But but no, no, no, 875 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:58.400 there's potentially non human intelligences out there looking at us or interacting or doing 876 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.679 Why do you think it is that more people aren't taking this seriously or perhaps 877 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:08.880 don't understand the gravity of this situation that I mean, this could legitimately be 878 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:16.920 potentially the most important discovery in all human history, and it's on our doorstep, 879 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:23.320 but people, you know, are watching like cupcake shows. It's a 880 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:27.079 really good point. I think about this a lot. I saw a guy 881 00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.400 on Twitter in recent days tweeting about, you know, is there a way 882 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.400 that we can learn to talk to our family members about UAP? And again, 883 00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.000 I think that the same really that we're about to dive into here applies 884 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.119 to sasquatch or any other kind of topic like this. But he had been 885 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:45.880 sharing a communicational messenger or some app and saying, so, here is a 886 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:51.760 link to a article that's giving a breakdown of all the latest stuff with the 887 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.840 whistleblower and everything, and the family member had replied with like an eyebrows raised 888 00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:00.280 emoji and then immediately pivoted to what do you want me to pick up for 889 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.760 dinner tonight? I mean, and I gotta tell you, I mean, 890 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:05.800 I've had that same thing. I lovingly say that, you know. I 891 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.800 called my mom and dad just to check in right after we had dropped the 892 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.880 big article there at the day Brief, and I said, you know, 893 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:15.880 Mom, Dad, and let me just be clear. I mean, I 894 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.480 am interested in all this stuff because at a young age I was gifted with 895 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:24.119 parents who instilled wonder in my imagination, and they gave me books on Sasquatch. 896 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:27.320 I mean, when I was in kindergarten, in first grade, I 897 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.639 was reading Ivan Sanderson. I had a UFO book by Ray Fowler. These 898 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.760 were not books for children, but I asked for him and my parents said, 899 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:36.719 you know, if it will make him read, we'll give him what 900 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.960 he's asking for. And I'm so glad that they did. So they're interested 901 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:42.719 in this stuff too. And my dad is just about as interested as I 902 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.599 am in Sasquatch. But I call him to tell him the news about the 903 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:49.920 whistleblower stuff and everything, and my mom in the background, I hear her 904 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.440 yell and say, I believe it, and my dad says, that's fascinating. 905 00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.039 Son. Now listen, I gotta go to the dealership tomorrow. Could 906 00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:59.559 you give me a ride. So a lot of people I talked to have 907 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.280 had that kind of experience, but it's I think in the case with my 908 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:06.519 parents, it's certainly not because they're not interested. But I think that the 909 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.760 reality for them is they're like, you know, of course, this stuff's 910 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:13.519 probably out there. It's probably real. And I would imagine that a lot 911 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.239 of people are already they've kind of warmed up to that idea. And so 912 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:22.159 we always hear this idea you can't handle the truth and one concern, and 913 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.079 there actually there's some historical precedent for this and the reality that certain agencies have 914 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:31.039 been concerned about. You know, what would happen if humankind were made aware 915 00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:37.159 without any kind of you know, question any further. I mean, if 916 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.880 we were to disclose the reality of an extraterrestrial presence on Earth. I mean, 917 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.239 society might fail, Religions would go away, people would be you know, 918 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.760 out there in the streets. I mean, it would be complete and 919 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:52.039 total chaos. I wonder sometimes wouldn't necessarily I mean, I look at people's 920 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.519 reaction to this recent news. People are excited, but a lot of them 921 00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.559 are like, man, doesn't surprise me at all. That's kind of where 922 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:01.920 I am, Cliff. I look at this, and I say, if 923 01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:06.760 you told me that all this stuff that we've been hearing, these whispers, 924 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:10.840 about these rumors about crash wreckages and things maybe at Roswell or wherever else going 925 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:15.559 back decades cover up secret programs that have been studying this technology, trying to 926 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.920 reverse engineer it. I mean, if you told me all of a sudden 927 01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.960 that all of it was true, I can't say I'd really be surprised. 928 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.599 We've been hearing these rumors for a long time, but again, we've still 929 01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.199 got a long ways to go before we find that if it is indeed true. 930 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:34.239 So I don't know. Maybe there will be complete societal collapse once the 931 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.360 news all breaks. But something tells me that, based on people's kind of 932 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.039 hohme reactions, maybe we shouldn't worry about that too much. I think a 933 01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:45.440 lot of people are kind of already accepting the idea. Yeah, I don't 934 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.639 think much would change. It's like the sasquatches are proven to be real today, 935 01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.440 it would be a big hullaballoo for about a month, and then everybody 936 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:54.840 go back to normal because it turns out they're already real right, nothing really 937 01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.119 changed except for people are aware of it. But I would hope that I 938 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.480 mean again that this is I'm a curmudgeoney old guy or whatever, but at 939 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.159 the same time, I am an optimist in a lot of ways, and 940 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.039 I would hope that knowing that perhaps we weren't alone, whether I'm talking about 941 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:15.519 sasquatches on the planet or something else, you know, driving cool spaceships or 942 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.239 our atmosphere and checking us out, maybe that would give us a little bit 943 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.320 of introspection, some sort of humility, I guess, and realize that perhaps 944 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.199 building our arsenals to kill our brothers isn't the best use of our money when 945 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.079 we have so many people in need in the world, you know. And 946 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.400 that's one one glimmer of hope that I see with a lot of this UAP 947 01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:38.039 legislation or whatnot, is that is finally giving those people who say that they're 948 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:44.039 quote unquote leaders but don't act like it, and governments something to agree upon, 949 01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:47.159 because for the most part they're like they're like preschoolers arguing over a toy 950 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:51.280 and like yelling and pointing fingers and blaming at each other. But to give 951 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.920 them something to actually agree upon for some greater good that that has to have 952 01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:00.880 some sort of beneficial effects for society. And to see them coming together and 953 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:07.840 some sort of bipartisan legislation to make some things happen for a bigger than human 954 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:12.480 cause, literally bigger than human cause, is at least some good that's coming 955 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:15.920 out of the government today instead of the tip for tat, name calling and 956 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.920 what about ism that we get fed every day through the media. Yeah, 957 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.239 that's one of the most fascinating things I've seen. I mean, it's hard 958 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:25.599 to say that anything that's just happening on Capitol Hill is anywhere remotely close to 959 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:30.239 as fascinating as some of the UAP potentials. And again saying goes for sasquatch. 960 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.840 To me, there's a reason why I'm studying these phenomena. And I'm 961 01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:39.840 not a politician, but it's been fascinating seeing that members of the different parties 962 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.800 that often share no you know, common ground or very little at least, 963 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:50.639 they all seem to be an agreement that, hey, whatever UAP represent, 964 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.760 this is something we all need to take seriously. I've seen very few instances 965 01:02:54.800 --> 01:03:00.159 where there have been holdouts for political reasons that have said we can't pass this 966 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:04.039 legislation. Now that's not to say that there haven't been some. They're always 967 01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.400 going to be skeptics, certain personality types and things like that. But I 968 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:15.000 mean in large part those who have worked to push forward this UAP legislation and 969 01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.440 who have gotten it included in the National Defense Authorization Act over the last several 970 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.360 fiscal years. I mean, it's been a bipartisan group with lawmakers from both 971 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:27.719 sides of the political aisle, and they're all coming together in unity on this 972 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.719 point. So I mean that to me, at least on the socio cultural 973 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:32.719 level, has been one of the most fascinating things. Yeah, and a 974 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:37.760 glimmer of hope I think as well, because I think I'm a lot like 975 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:39.199 a lot of Americans that is, with very little hope in the government at 976 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:44.559 this point because of the way they behave like children essentially, So to give 977 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.599 them something to agree upon a move forward with, to me, that's a 978 01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:52.159 breath of fresh air that people are paying attention to something and realize that the 979 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:57.639 importance is greater than what they normally, you know, bigger and bitch at 980 01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.119 each other about so yeah, for sure, and that's you know again. 981 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.039 I used to follow politics. I used to be a political junkie. I 982 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.159 got to be honest. I mean, I read the news every morning. 983 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:10.239 But I'm not really the political junkie anymore. I mean I began to realize 984 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:15.119 the deeper I looked into trying to understand these phenomena. I mean, really, 985 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.960 I guess you could call me a fourteen in that tradition of Charles Fort. 986 01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:24.920 I'm somebody who's interested in every kind of anomalous phenomena that can be observed 987 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.199 in nature, and I study a little of all of it. I am 988 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.519 just a you know, a long time reader of not only that kind of 989 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:35.280 you know, classic literature, but more recent additions by guys like William R. 990 01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:39.840 Coralist, the American physicist who documented all kinds of stuff. He even 991 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:44.480 devoted some time to the relic tominoid question and biological anomalies too. But for 992 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.719 me, I've had to step away from so much of that. I mean, 993 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.679 you turn on the news and I mean it's it's just so depressing, 994 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:56.079 so sucking, it's a bum out. It really isn't to me that sense 995 01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.800 of wonder that I used to get from watching In Search of as a child. 996 01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.280 You know that I have that hope to find something new, to aspire 997 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.960 to find something that not only maybe is fascinating, but in many ways, 998 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.280 like you're saying, but you know, might benefit humankind, make us all 999 01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.840 the better for it. Maybe it will broaden our perspective even in a cosmic 1000 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:15.639 way, and help us understand that our bickering and our fighting here on the 1001 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:20.119 global level is you know, a lot less consequential than we may think it 1002 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.960 is. Yeah, those kinds of pursuits, the pursuit of the mysterious, 1003 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:28.119 but not just for the sake of being interested in mysteries, No, actually 1004 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.400 really trying to study it, really to resolve these anomalies and to understand what's 1005 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.440 happening in our world. That's what really gets to me interested, that's what 1006 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:39.440 really enlivens my spirit, and that's really where I've just chosen in recent years 1007 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.960 to put my time, effort, and energy. Yeah, the unknown and 1008 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:47.119 mysteries is a wonderful unifier that brings people together from all sorts of walks of 1009 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.800 life, and it sees no boundaries, And I think that's just fantastic. 1010 01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:56.039 And you know you mentioned you're a general forty in so I think that I 1011 01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:59.119 think that on that note, will probably end this episode and go over to 1012 01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:01.519 the member section and let's get into some of the other things over there on 1013 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:06.159 our special members only broadcast. Let's get into some of the other things that 1014 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.639 you might think are real, or maybe some of the things that you don't 1015 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.559 think are real, and we can talk about that. We can cover things 1016 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:15.559 I don't know, like like dog men or fish fallen from the sky, 1017 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:19.360 or lizard men or lake monsters and some of that stuff in there, and 1018 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:25.159 we'll hear your thoughts on some of those more extraordinary beyond Bigfoot and Beyond sort 1019 01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:30.239 of things and in the members section. Okay, sure sounds great. All 1020 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.599 right, so members talk to you on Thursday, I guess and everybody else. 1021 01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:35.679 Thank you so much for listening to Bigfoot and Beyond today. Bubba was 1022 01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:39.760 not able to make us. He was not able to join us before this 1023 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.119 broadcast ended, but that's all right. We're all here to cover for each 1024 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.639 other. We're all good friends. 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