1 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:32,400 Tonight's guest is Mick. Mick, welcome to the show. Thanks Weick, 2 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:34,599 thanks for having me, well, thanks for coming on. We appreciate your 3 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:42,159 time. Mick. Please give us a brief bio on yourself and my party 4 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:48,400 eight. You're old man, three lovely children. Obviously, I'm orrishing understand 5 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:57,280 by me the accent and motorcycle freak, and I open construction and I'm happily 6 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,599 married usuppose that's about it. Well, that's great. Yeah, it sounds 7 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:06,000 like you've carved out a great life for yourself. And dude to something I 8 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,159 heard you say in your bio, I've got to ask you who makes the 9 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:14,680 best bike, Mick, and it has to be the Japanese has to be 10 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,719 Honda. Honda people say, the most expensive one you're going to go for 11 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,120 the Italian months, but for reliability and practicality has to be the Japanese. 12 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:29,120 So you're a Honda man. What's your dream bike if money wasn't an issue? 13 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:38,000 And BMWHP four race model, it's a sixty two thousand euros which is 14 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:42,800 probably about I don't know, fifty thousand dollars and it's basically a Molo GP 15 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,919 bike, but a registration play on it. It's built for the tracks, 16 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,919 but you can use on the roads, and there's a limited division on them. 17 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,879 That's there's only one hundred of mate or a thousand of mate or something. 18 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,560 You have to be picked by Actually BMW did actually boil when you can't 19 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,039 just don't boy, when you have to actually be picked by them the boy. 20 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:01,199 So I can't see it happening to me anytime soon. H Well maybe 21 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:05,360 not, but it sure would be nice, wouldn't it. Yeah, of 22 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,599 course it would be. We all need dreams. Except that price tag. 23 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:13,759 That's pretty ugly. But that's the only ugly thing about that bike. Yeah, 24 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,560 yeah, yeah, no doubt. Mick. You flew to Slovakia in 25 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,680 two thousand and four for a wedding and wound up having a dog MEI an 26 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:25,319 encounter there. For the listeners who don't know anything about Slovakia, what can 27 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,120 you tell us about it? It used to be part of Czechoslovakia, the 28 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,039 old part that was part of the USSR before all the breakaway countries happened in 29 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,759 the unities. Slovakia, it's loady country. The reason why I got there 30 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,680 was in the early two thousands, maybe two thousand two. There was a 31 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:52,039 big construction bilm here in Ireland, and of course a lot of a lot 32 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,199 of the jobs had to be filled by any kind of nationality, and we 33 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,479 had a big, huge influx of Eastern Europeans coming here and Polish, Romanians, 34 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,479 Slovakians, and that's how I got to notice Chap and that's how I 35 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,680 got to be friendly with him, and that's how I got invoided to this 36 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,360 wedding. When you found out that you're going to be going there for his 37 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:15,800 wedding, were you excited about the trip or dreading it? Oh? No, 38 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:19,360 excited of course because it was a weekend away with the boys basically, 39 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:25,319 and it was just gang of Woko has been to a country I've never been 40 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,160 being too before. I traveled a lot of being to the States, a 41 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,360 few times of being to South America as well as part of the North, 42 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,360 and I've always looked traveling and it was a country of I actually googled a 43 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,759 lot about it before I went, and it looked lovely. It looks really 44 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,959 nearly nice. Of course, it's a breakaway from the family, you know, 45 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:46,680 I'll breaking out the boys, and it was a wedding as well. 46 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,399 It was a happy occasion, So yeah, I was looking well forward to 47 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:54,519 it. I didn't out that way though, Yeah, unfortunately it didn't. 48 00:04:55,519 --> 00:05:00,000 What part of Slovakia did your encounter happened then? And it was out about 49 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,800 one hundred kilometers west of a town called Kosha Kasita would be a big wouldn't 50 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,800 be a city, but it wouldn't be a village to be a big town, 51 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,160 and we were we were about seventy kilometers outside that. We were in 52 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,120 like a really really really small village. It's kind of a place where if 53 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,959 you blink on the train you'd miss it, you know. It was just 54 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:27,839 two hotels, post office, a couple of bars, supermarket, two main 55 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:30,920 roads and that was it. Like it's just it's really a middle of Norway 56 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,319 job. But it was still nice and peaceful at the same time. Oh, 57 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,959 I'm sure it was. Yeah, there's small villages like that over there. 58 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:43,199 There's just something special about them in my opinion. Yeah, this bit 59 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,959 has made his own cheese and everything else and made his own wine and it 60 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:49,920 was just so self sufficient. But a lot of unemployment as well, so 61 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,040 maybe you have to do that for themselves. I'm not too sure, but 62 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,480 really really lovely country. It just it just falls short on the employment, 63 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:01,240 so either yeah, it does sound like a well place, definitely, except 64 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,240 for the unemployment. Like zaid, if you'd like to be able to listen 65 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,240 to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an 66 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:15,720 option to find out how, please go to dog Mean Encounters dot com Forward 67 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:20,079 slash podcast. To this day, all these years later, you still get 68 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:24,399 wound up when you think about what happened to you there. What kinds of 69 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:28,000 effects have you been dealing with because of what that dog men did to you? 70 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:30,879 At the start, when I first come back, I thought I was 71 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 dousing my mind. I thought it was like, really lose my mind because, 72 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:38,879 as I said to you before, the only person I really told was 73 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:46,040 my partner and my best friend and yourself, and I told me what before, 74 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,639 Yeah, I think it's held. And they didn't know how to take 75 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,120 it at all because they didn't ever heard of it talking about and needed to 76 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:55,560 do it until I actually had to look it open, until I actually seen 77 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,240 drawings of what people have seen before, and I realized that depending drop as 78 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,279 we say, he realized what what I saw because the fields was feeling it 79 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,480 was first of all, I was losing I thought I was losing it because 80 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,160 nobody could everyone's laughing. Well, the people I told were just laughing and 81 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,959 thought I was on some sort of rook or some whatever else are I was 82 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,680 smoking something funny, And the fields I had were especially when someone laughs, 83 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:26,160 So it's hopefully it was. It was kind of hurt if someone, you 84 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:28,120 know, when somebody you cared about, laughs back at you when you're being, 85 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,240 when you're being, when you're trying to have an honest moment with them 86 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,680 in swful and then if you tell someone that kind of half believes you, 87 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,399 you kind of feel as if they're agreement you just just for the sake of 88 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,680 your own mind, you just to just to make you feel better. But 89 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:46,399 the fields always have was a paranoia I was used, but you could you 90 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:50,120 could say panic attacks, but anxiety was up the wall every time it meant 91 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,839 to My mind was up the wall. Sleepless nights, sweats, couldn't even 92 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:58,399 go nearar dogs for a while. I don't know what that was. It 93 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:01,040 just it just didn't like any kind of for a legged animal or any kind 94 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,519 of food her animal. For a little while after, but it just felt 95 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,000 alone for a long time because especially as I said it before, on this 96 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:13,600 side of the world, we have the mid of the Banshee and lepre cons 97 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,079 and everything else, the whole thing that goes with being owners. But someone 98 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,040 says, dog Man, you didn't know what you're talking about. Well, 99 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,839 that doesn't come as a surprise no matter where you go. For the most 100 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,079 part, people aren't going to know anything about dog Man. I just hate 101 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,039 to hear they had so much trouble finding any support after having that experience, 102 00:08:31,159 --> 00:08:35,639 especially with it being as traumatic as it was. Yeah, that's just not 103 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,159 good. That's when I reached out to you back. And I think it 104 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,679 was twenty fifteen when I actually pushed contact to Joe, because I was following 105 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,039 your podcast and it's just these people and this chap because I listened to a 106 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,440 lot of encounters and every one of them rang true and hit home me so 107 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,879 and it's like kind of charrapy every Friday, listened to you know, every 108 00:08:54,919 --> 00:09:00,679 Saturday. And that's when I decided to contact you because I knew wasn't just 109 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:03,840 some podcasts, let's be honest, back in the day, some podcast with 110 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,200 a joke and the ones that I listened to now and your podcast Jill and 111 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:16,480 good under helping people. That's what I'm so glad you did. And believe 112 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,080 it or not, I still remember that conversation we had back in twenty fifteen 113 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,240 about your encounter. There's just something about how creepy that encounter was due to 114 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:31,799 where it happened in that ancient forest, something about how the dog men behaved, 115 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,279 what it did to you. It stuck out of my mind all these 116 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,960 years. And when you reached out to me recently and asked if I remembered 117 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,600 that conversation with you, I was pretty sure you thought I wouldn't remember you. 118 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,440 But yeah, like I said, I definitely did. Yeah. And 119 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,440 that's the point I was thinking, because it was in this foreign country, 120 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,840 and I was convincing myself that these were like a part of the like over 121 00:09:56,159 --> 00:10:00,399 in certain countries, do you have joint sheep over here we have joined and 122 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:03,759 Friesian cows and Scottish cows. And I was trying to convince myself that it's 123 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,519 just a it's just a Slovakian dog. You must be everywhere. Yeah, 124 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:13,000 that was just a madness trying to make you feel better. Oh sure, 125 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,799 Yeah, you're going to do all kinds of strange things, try and compensate 126 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,759 with an experience as traumatic as that one. But at least you know it 127 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:26,600 definitely wasn't some kind of Slovakian dog you encounter that day. Definitely, Yeah, 128 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,360 it would have been nice if that's what it was, though. M 129 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,320 all right, Mick, please tell us about that encounter. Now, give 130 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:37,440 us every last details that comes to mind. I suppose I'll sarden like before, 131 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,919 really, because the day before this happened was the actual the day the 132 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:48,200 wedding that we went over to part always suppose, and that I was getting 133 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,879 married. His name is Radoslav, we call him Raddo, and it was 134 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,559 his hometown. And over there you needed usual even because as I said, 135 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,720 it's just in such an outaway place we need to sels to get around. 136 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:03,480 So of course I put my hand up and I hired the car because I 137 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:09,080 was the only woman of Sufficients European license. And the course we drove to 138 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:15,559 the chapel and over there they have a two chapel. Wedding was ones the 139 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,559 wedding and the next one's kind of a blessing. The mother and the bather 140 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,000 of the bride had to be involved in the first. It's really, it's 141 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,080 really it's not like a eventual weddings. After the wedding, we went back 142 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,799 to the the hotel that was doing the field, and the machine they give 143 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:35,759 them was party and good time and everything else. But I had the car 144 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,879 me, so I decided not to drink. Prep I was gonna have a 145 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,200 drink, i'd have to leave the car there, and I didn't fancy leaving 146 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,720 the car somewhere where it wasn't really sure of in case because I wasn't being 147 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:52,759 paid through the nose for insurance of any damage happened to it. So at 148 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,440 the end of the night, I decided and say, okay, I'll have 149 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,480 two beers. I was just sitting there watching everyone drink. I was just 150 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,720 killing me. So I had a lot of food, had two beers, 151 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,559 and had another beer and another beer, so had four beers altogether, because 152 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,919 I know exactly how the many I had. But over there you had it's 153 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:15,720 like it's called a wheat beer. It's like a cloudy it's like a bud 154 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:20,399 Wiser, but you can't see true it's it's really cloudy, and it's really 155 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:24,320 it gives you an awful headache. Because the next morning I went up, 156 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,080 it wasn't wasn't drunk or anything. You remember going home, left the car 157 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,120 there, walked on. We're being put up in the little B and B, 158 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,879 and the four of us went to the B and B, and I 159 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,480 was of Furst. Went awake the next morning, and it was it was 160 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,960 a beautiful morning sunshine. We woke up with actual a rooster in the back 161 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:50,279 garden acrown, and so I died to go for strow, just to it 162 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:54,320 might be sitting there listen to three three grown men snorting in the room. 163 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,440 So I decided to get up and b and see the place before we flew 164 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,240 back home the next day. It wasn't much see Lesbions was only a small 165 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:07,799 little village. So went for stroll and who old this place is? The 166 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:13,279 roads are cobblestone, like the old cobbles that we'd have in a whole team 167 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,200 eighteen hundreds of London or something. There's cobblestones. You wouldn't see a car 168 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:22,799 for ten minutes maybe more, and you see maybe one or two cars from 169 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,559 the place of an hour. So I was walking and I wasn't watching where 170 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,039 I was walking. There's just there's only one small attle road that leaves the 171 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:31,639 town and the same road comes into it and goes out to the car. 172 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,960 So it was just the one one road in and out of the small village. 173 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,440 So I was walking for about maybe twenty twenty minutes a half an hour. 174 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,320 I couldn't get lost because there's only one road. You can just come 175 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:50,960 back around back the way. So I wasn't word do with that and being 176 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,720 he was. So it's just reminded me of we have got the Transylvanian movie. 177 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:58,039 You know, it's a cliche, but that's what it reminded me of. 178 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:01,600 And it was sunny. It wasn't even darker, was just that's how 179 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:05,440 it looked in the sunshine. I was thinking himself, help would look on 180 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,159 a dark with a wet day, And but it was lovely at the same 181 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:15,879 time, really beautiful country. And this robber started to get really really bad 182 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:20,159 and it was just covering dog horspital. A lot of people are using the 183 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,480 horse and carts. But decided to go off off the road to the left 184 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:31,080 and you could see walking trails into this small look like a forest. That's 185 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,000 that the very start. It look like just like you'd see in a walking 186 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:37,759 like a walking trail. So it took this trail and was well beaten. 187 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,159 So it was well he used. And there's a couple of other trails gone 188 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,919 different directions, but it just just almost gone uphill and the sea at the 189 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,600 very top. But before I actually started to walk, there's a little information. 190 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,399 Then I had them over in the States. It's like before he started 191 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,240 trail. As an information, it feel like a hard plastic and to be 192 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:03,240 leaflet, I need to laminate it and so you can read it. It 193 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,320 tells you where to try to bring you in. And you know because I 194 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,799 immediately castle on the grounds. But I thought the castle was on the very 195 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,840 top of this hill. So I said, right, I'll trying to find 196 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,000 it. If not, at least get out for a bit of fresh air 197 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:22,879 in the walk. So I followed this trail and it must be about ten 198 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,960 minutes. It wasn't that far off the road. That's why I can't get 199 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,840 over the audacity of this. It was just so it wasn't even in the 200 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,639 middle of nowhere. It was way off a little road where people come and 201 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,720 go. So these things aren't afraid of human beings at all. So about 202 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:37,720 ten minutes ago, boy maybe feel I'm not too sure what how the time 203 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:41,799 went, because it was just being myself and just walking. I wasn't looking 204 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:46,759 at the watch of anything. There no pleasure, So walking along and the 205 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,279 trees start getting mark the answer like there was a sporadic tree that the very 206 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,919 start with a notice. As I was going on the trail, I would 207 00:15:54,919 --> 00:16:00,960 have to reroute my walk as it be would be in a way and the 208 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,200 episode I keep walking stepisode it wouldn't be a straight line, but there was 209 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:11,960 a lot more condense trees come out and I'm gonna realize that the trail I 210 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,279 was on it was kind of worn away. There was there was no trail 211 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,120 I was on it. So it was like, right, I'm definitely off 212 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:21,720 the beaten path, but it was still so must coming through the trees and 213 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,960 still nothing to to bother me. It wasn't gonna get lost, but don't 214 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,600 get get lost at all, and impossible to get lost all up hill, 215 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:33,840 just go downhill. And then in my periphealin, this is where I starts, 216 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,360 I might start losing me breath a little bit. This is where I 217 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:45,320 starts coming back on my peripheral vision on my right hand side, I just 218 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:52,080 saw dark, dark mass, not not move enough, not flow across my 219 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,080 my line and side just just a dark mass. But I looked over and 220 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:00,159 it was just it was just a large three, just a really really really 221 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,559 large three. But it was really really dead. And I never forget the 222 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,079 mushrooms going off. The mushrooms were just so big and they were like, 223 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,039 I never I never seen mushrooms is big my life going off the side of 224 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,359 this black tree. But there was a bush coming off, so it was 225 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,720 like what the he just called it in the States, tickets is what you 226 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:22,440 call it. Ticket. It was like a bush coming off the tree as 227 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,319 well, like there's a tree and a bush maybe fifteen feet sixteen feet, 228 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:32,920 but there's no it wasn't buried. It was look like thorns and brambles and 229 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,200 all sorts of the nasty s. So that kind of kept me on the 230 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,279 subject. You that was on because I wasn't going to walk them through that 231 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,720 stuff, so keep going. So it kept me moving a few more steps, 232 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:52,039 and it just kept something kept saying to me there's something over there having 233 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:53,319 on the roup and then making my brain told me I don't know. But 234 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:59,279 looked over and it was again looding. There was the dark tree. But 235 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,400 I realized my whole old the forest had gone from the new baby trees that 236 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,359 I walked in on at the very started the trail. This stuff was really 237 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,240 old, was m there's kind of moss drawing off them, huge big trees, 238 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:17,559 like really they're talking six feet span and the wit that's huge for us 239 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:26,720 in this country. Kept walking another maybe forty yards fifty yards, and I 240 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,000 thought I was saying things. I looked over to Morrown's side again, and 241 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:37,440 I was probably parallel with this, the end of the ticket, at the 242 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:38,640 end of the bush, at the bush, as I would say, over 243 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:48,279 here the bush ended, and just yeah, how much? Who just head? 244 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,960 It was just just peeking around the side of the tree. And I 245 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,279 looked once, and I looked back down again, and I looked again, 246 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,160 and I wasn't there. I set myself up and I seeing things are just 247 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:04,319 really happen. Then I started getting the heart start really going because I was 248 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,279 really starting to preak myself out. And he said, no, you're just 249 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,079 you're just in. You're just in an alien place. You don't know where, 250 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,680 you don't have to name the place. It's like this, man, 251 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,799 it's just your mind playing tricks. And as soon as I had looked down 252 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,680 on my shoelaces were I always look at my shoes and when I'm walking, 253 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,079 I don't know what it is. They also looking at my feet. I 254 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,720 never look ahead and never look up. I was going at my feever and 255 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:32,880 put my feet and this place was so old the roots were coming up through 256 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,039 the ground and going back down instagramd. So that's one reason I was what 257 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,319 was watching Mars done? As soon I looked up again and I looked over 258 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:48,960 and it was it was, yeah, the dog man sticking his head around 259 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,480 the side of the tree. And I didn't know at this age of the 260 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,079 game, I didn't know what the dog man was. The first thing come 261 00:19:56,079 --> 00:20:00,599 into my head was that's where I will if you look at the TV perceptions 262 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:06,119 of where he post, That's what I was seeing. It had. Of 263 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:10,279 course, it just took stuck his head around the three and it had this 264 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:17,519 look um this day, where are I shouldn't be here? Or as if 265 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:21,720 I'm I'm walking in on something I shouldn't see. That's the feeling I got. 266 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:32,160 And it moved in, it shot in, it flicked in a flash 267 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,720 that it was so super you know, I'm not going to use this word, 268 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:37,519 but I I shouldn't really use. It's so supernatural helm with how fast 269 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,920 they can knew because it moved from the tree that or the push the tree 270 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,200 that was standing behind, to the tree in front of me without me even 271 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,079 seeing its body. It was like a flash and it was wait in front 272 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,480 of me. I can't tell you what that body looked like until it got 273 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:56,279 to the tree in front of me. That too fast and knew and that's 274 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:00,960 when it shelled more of itself to me. And I just couldn't believe what 275 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:07,440 I was saying. There was the ears were like no these fighting dogs. 276 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,559 I don't know if that any pit bulls are or massives. I'm not to 277 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,160 show, but it had the ears you would see when the crops when when 278 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,480 he put their ears, they were like that. They were sticking up really 279 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,279 as if they didn't need any kind of you see some dogs. But when 280 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:23,119 he raised our ears and energy lowered our ears, this thing, this thing 281 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,680 had his ears up all the time as if they were on the stencils. 282 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,880 They didn't need to didn't need any muscles to stick them up. He didn't 283 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,839 get these other things coming through their ears. It was like a little tufts 284 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:41,200 like a three leaf clover tought the pair extending off them, and it had 285 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,400 a face like I'm not going to say like an alsay. I had a 286 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,200 snout like an Alsatian, but it was much around muzzle as you say, 287 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:56,039 but it was much shorter and stumpier, maybe like a hyaena. Its head 288 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,519 was massively. It was the size of yeah, it must be the size 289 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:00,920 of my coffee table here the head and the wits. It was about maybe 290 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,799 three feet three now wouldn't yeah, maybe two yeah, three feet two feet 291 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:11,680 maybe you joined beach ball head. But it wasn't circular. It was triangular 292 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:22,440 in shape. The snout had gray or siever short hairs going from this fund 293 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,160 and I was back to the cheeks where the cheek would be in the cheeks, 294 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:30,559 but it would change color from gray into a brownish black. It had 295 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:40,519 eyes that were like an emerald emerald kind of sky blue in the sky blue 296 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:44,359 kind of but you went all blue. They had a black, real black 297 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,519 Pierson puple. It had like a rump at the back of its back of 298 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:55,279 its head that it's like joint be as if I had a hoodie on, 299 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,400 but it was had the hoodie tuck in at the back of its neck. 300 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:03,440 It was like a huge beat musle at it. And then it totally showed 301 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,119 me a wold self. It step took one step out and looked at me 302 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,599 as if and when he stepped out, and I looked him from the waist 303 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,319 up so they mightn't want to take me always up the actual parts that were 304 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,440 moving as in his head. He gave me this kind of look as if. 305 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:27,400 Hum it was like he smiled at me. I know it's a stupid 306 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,119 thing to say. Animals can smoil, but he's he's able. He was 307 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,480 smiling at me, and you messed up. That's the feeling I got up. 308 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:41,160 No, I have to show you. I have to teach your lessons. 309 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,039 That was that kind of lucky and really really sinister, and the black 310 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:52,279 pupils looking through me. But the worst was the width of his shoulders. 311 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,359 Who looked it looked as if it was someone had drawn him on a piece 312 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,119 of paper. It was comical how big he was. Both he wasn't overwhelmingly 313 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:07,480 overwhelmingly sorry getting a bit, I was starting a stammer a bit, because 314 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,039 a stammer when I get nervous. He wasn't overwhelming big as in height. 315 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,599 He must have been six foot six, maybe pushing seven feet. He wouldn't 316 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:22,640 be huge, but the shoulders are just unbelievable. He looked as if someone 317 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,440 had just drawn them on. They were so he looked comically. But I 318 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,440 don't know how. He just just going moved around of a column agoy whatever 319 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,680 he is. Maybe he got through the doorways. That's too wide he was. 320 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,359 He'd get trapped, gone through a door. But he'd tapered down so 321 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,720 quickly into his waist. His waist must have been he's tindered my waist, 322 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:48,720 Like yeah, he'd probably be tinted my waist. He'd paper down from three 323 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,200 three and a half feet wide at the top straight down into maybe twenty four 324 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:57,799 inch waist. It was crazy how he looked. But he had a twelve 325 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:04,680 pack most in the stomach, well uniform here maybe one and a half two 326 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:11,440 inches black coming in from his ribs, coming into an angle and meeting in 327 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,680 the middle of his chest like you see you see some men and going down 328 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,880 in uniform the uniform line into where where we have a belly button? Well, 329 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,799 I didn't see. He didn't have a bellbody, didn't see any belly 330 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,039 button. He was just covered in a uniform. Here to this belly button 331 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,519 area. He was a male one hundred scent. He was a male because 332 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,799 it was all there the show. But his hands and his arms were just 333 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:45,440 they were built for visceral chearing. And he could see how his hands were 334 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:49,880 ready. They were just killing, killing machines. He looked. It would 335 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:56,000 make Freddie Krueger look like a beast on the Sunday. That's how this this 336 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:03,359 shops. And they were like giants and raccoon hands. But he had these 337 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:11,319 massive, massive, black, guilty gone off yellow nails. Claws, yeah, 338 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,200 Morley claws at the ends of them. But they were just all broken 339 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,920 and shipped. But they were like you could see that they were taking off 340 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,039 a lot of damage to the man. Still they're still able to do the 341 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:30,599 business. Yeah, he was. He was just standing there and this smiled 342 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,559 the game. He was just and their teeth were like it was so white 343 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,799 and sharp. It looked as if somebody had I thought someone must have foiled 344 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:45,359 down his teeth in some sort of work room again, an engineer and foiled 345 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,839 his teeth and had them all picture perfect, and they were so white. 346 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,079 He looked at silver to me, looked as if they were silver. This 347 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,240 is all in the space of I don't know many seconds. I saw horrible. 348 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,440 That part was bad enough, But when he told when he had he 349 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:11,319 had one arm around the three, leaning out and shown me his his his 350 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,440 left on the right hand side of me, he was shown me. He 351 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:18,920 was shown me his left. Then when he totally came out and stood by 352 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,960 the three, that's when I just lost it. That's when I remember looking 353 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,680 up. I said, how's he? How's he gone so big? In 354 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,839 my own head? But I didn't realize that I had fallen down on my 355 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,200 backside in front of him. I don't know how. It must have been 356 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,759 money he stood out. I stepped back, ended up on my rear round 357 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:48,400 and that's when he pulled his so called force I call it. I call 358 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,319 it a dog's It was like a man's foot. But it was the nearest 359 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,880 thing I see it. It's just the luckily shade. The nearest thing I 360 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:02,440 saw to it that luck resembles to it was the transformation on the eighties movie 361 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:07,960 American American London. If you see his foot when he changed in that girl's 362 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,640 house, when he was staying over, when that is what he had to 363 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:14,119 be, but it looked as if I only the front part that his foot 364 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,960 actually hit the ground. He stood on his toes and maybe a couple of 365 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,119 pads, and then the rest of his foot was elevated. But it wasn't. 366 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,079 It was just hovering above the ground, maybe on three or four inches 367 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:32,039 above and maybe two inch claws. I only saw four They just on this 368 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,039 foot. They only saw this foot close. Because the reason why I remember 369 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,000 it is when this is the part that really that I had, that I 370 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,240 had a trouble dealing with his He put his foot on top of my foot, 371 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,279 well his toe was touching my to more or less. He was looming 372 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:53,279 over me, standing over me with his those dog legs. What wasn't men's 373 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,440 legs it was it was the hawks as we called them over here. He 374 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:02,640 had dog hawks, the reverse dog. It just I said, what how 375 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,680 is this even real? How is this even happened? I thought it was 376 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:15,079 in a dream or so. I thought, this is a dead man. 377 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,759 He's gonna do what he does because June boy looks down clause he's been doing 378 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,799 it already. He learned over me, and I don't know what he was 379 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:30,519 doing, but he was looked to me as if pople smiled right dogs don't 380 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:36,960 smile. This looked to me as if it was more dog than man, 381 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,680 more animals than man, because the only thing that really was man about it 382 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:49,480 was his his torso was built. He was standing on to two feet two 383 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:57,440 two two two feet yeah, two two clods two ready heavy cloud feet and 384 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:03,039 he looming over me. And he must have been the or one and a 385 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,160 half he oh away from me body was, but his foot was out forward, 386 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,559 as if as if the pin wife to where it was, or maybe 387 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:17,240 to stop me from trying to get. But even if I had but just 388 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:22,759 jellify dog. Yeah, my heart start raising so much I couldn't catch a 389 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,440 breath. It was like, really, it's like real living the whole thing 390 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:33,640 again. What um, And this is only fifteen minutes away from away from 391 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,799 a roads, is this? This is not in the middle of nowhere. 392 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,960 This is but it's in the middle of nowhere, but there's still civilization, 393 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,599 there's there's still a lot going on around the area. It's how braising these 394 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,440 teams are. And it's only recently the real up learned that I thought mine 395 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:52,559 was just a one off, but um, yeah, he's looming over me, 396 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,519 and I thought this is this is very and it's kind of saying himself, 397 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,599 Look, I don't care if I don't feel. I don't mind if 398 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,119 I don't fee anything. I just don't want to be torn to pieces and 399 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,559 be able to feel every glow or rip or whatever. And he looked down 400 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,000 at me because I was looking up. He looked down on me as if 401 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,839 he was enjoying, as if he was getting pleasure from what he was doing 402 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,720 to me. And I was saying to myself, how was this even? 403 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,319 No one's gonna know this is real? And I will never be found. 404 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,640 No one's gonna put together that this animal come out of nowhere and took me 405 00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,880 or killed me, or they're just gonna find me in pieces all over the 406 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:37,440 starts. That's the one thing I thought of as my family. And I'm 407 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,319 not going to get back from this country in pieces. Then it's just strange. 408 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,839 Things flash through your head on the stay and I remember closed me aways 409 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,480 and he looked as if he was gearing up to have a swing. They 410 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:53,960 let one rip, let one floy as we say, that was as as 411 00:31:55,039 --> 00:32:00,440 in give me a bang of his hand with all these clause and it and 412 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,200 it caused me always waiting for that blow, waiting for the bang, or 413 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,519 waiting for all some sort of the smell against the smell of it's just wing. 414 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,400 I closed me always there could smell. It was like a hot breath, 415 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,759 but it wasn't like hot breath that it was like a horse's hot breath. 416 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,440 If you ever smelled, it was like a sweet barley, but sweet 417 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,559 barley kind of smell. And I'm not too sure if that was his breath, 418 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:29,079 that that was an order coming off him, because it was pretty pungent 419 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,319 when they when the encounter happened, then it was gone to see owns. 420 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,440 It was over, So I'm not too sure of it. If the cousins 421 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,240 that to him. I never closed me, always waiting for this the blow 422 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:42,480 to pump. This is it, this is it, this is it, 423 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:49,640 and nothing nothing for about five six seconds, I hope my eye. I 424 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:57,000 looked and he was two maybe three three is back still looking at me. 425 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,559 But he able to treat it back to another tree behind that, and I 426 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,720 took my put my chances. They did jumped up on the people. It 427 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,559 didn't take me always up the hill. I was down down. It was 428 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,240 very steep, really impossible to walk backwards down it. But I kind of 429 00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,680 crawled down it kept my eye on him, and he was doing the same. 430 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:23,920 He was keeping going on me and retreat and retreat. And after maybe 431 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,440 twenty meters thirty meters of a gap, I turn't and I just booked it 432 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,119 because I put it down to the It didn't take me that long because it 433 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,640 wasn't that far away from the road. So I can't understand. These things 434 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,839 have no barriers. No, they've no they have not ill way to look 435 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,079 at somebody in the middle of the first and these things don't have produced it. 436 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,680 When they want to, they can do whatever they want, and I 437 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,160 don't get anything anyone can do him. I need to stop them because it 438 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:57,480 was only, as I said, a fifteen minutes walk from the Maine made 439 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,400 it the road into a small village. Although not being used that much the 440 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:07,119 road, it's still it's still civilization and buildings and goings on, people coming 441 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:14,440 and going. But yeah, that was more less it and coming back then 442 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,280 three boys were still asleep and I didn't I was crying. I didn't know 443 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,880 what to be doing with myselves. Just as well. It was Saturday morning 444 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,199 and nobody was out. I saying, it was just crazy man walking around 445 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,360 crying. I go straight back to the BnB, sat in the lobby. 446 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:38,639 I'm just didn't know what must have been even even snapped out of it. 447 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,880 One of the boys can go out from the room. Brian, it's just 448 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,039 an easing. You're only getting home now, No, because he was he 449 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,400 was pretty dumb right before he said Now, I came back at she was 450 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,239 last night, says we're awaiting for the walk, and he goes. He 451 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,639 looked like, and you know the you know the rest of it. I 452 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,920 won't say any bad words on this. He said, you look like, 453 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:07,079 blah blah, you need to go and have a shower. I didn't know 454 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,880 the time that I you'renated all over myself listening to some of the stories your 455 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,400 podcast, not too too ashamed to join that up because I don't know it's 456 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:22,960 say, it's the it's a normal person. But then coming back coming back 457 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,519 to land, then I just didn't know how to handle it, what to 458 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,400 do with it, where to put it, how do you put that into 459 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,400 a box, how do you deal with that? Whatever. The States, 460 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,400 it's kind of known sasquatch donn bla. It's kind of as a following over 461 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:45,639 your country, but over here it's like people think, what are you talking 462 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:51,199 about? People have told I've told a couple of close people that I thought 463 00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,599 I could really trust. One kind of laughed, And it's helpful when someone 464 00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,800 laughed at you, when when you're when you're opening up handling something seriously that's 465 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,159 bottom me, it's getting too you. And someone laughed, and I just 466 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,199 just learned then really quick not to say anything, just to try and put 467 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:14,119 a put the past or put it somewhere and just lock it away and not 468 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,800 say but that doesn't look as I said. You can talk them to make 469 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,440 it back in the two thousands fifteen once or twice since then, and this 470 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,239 is the only time where it could really get it together, just to give 471 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,280 a full recount of what happened, because the first time I tried to tell 472 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:37,000 him I could be a half by true and he's so good and the feeling 473 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:43,760 process, thank you for But it's it's a non going thing. It's no 474 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,719 way. It's not as if they can have a group over here in northern 475 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,000 where we can get together once a week can talk about her encounters, because 476 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,679 nobody in this country has anything like that. You don't have anything like that. 477 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,440 I don't think we have any people close boy, or people who can 478 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:06,039 whatsapper text or give a quick ring too and talk to you about it, 479 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:13,039 because just simply don't exist. So that's spelled it more or less. After 480 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,480 you made it back to the B and B after having such a traumatic experience, 481 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:21,239 was there any time from the moment you set foot in that B and 482 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,360 b until the time you set foot on Ireland that you allowed yourself to be 483 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,840 alone? I was alone, and I suppose if you can, if you 484 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,800 can count it being alone. I was alone in the reception of the BnB 485 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,480 because there was a girl that used that walks on the help desk. She 486 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,880 comes and goes, but I was. There's a room after and that's where 487 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,599 I went because it was a mess. Like as I said, I urinated 488 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,079 on myself and I'm sure my face was there was you know, what do 489 00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,440 you know when you cry and you're oping your I mean hands are toty from 490 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,400 falling in the forest as well, So I'm sure I was. I was 491 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,679 just sorright to look at. But I was alone for the first straight away 492 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,920 afterwards, I was alone for about two hours. Well that had to be 493 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:05,679 difficult. Yeah, maybe that was about the worst thing I like, But 494 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,159 I didn't want to go up in and make chaps up and tell them straight 495 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,280 away because I was still dealing it in my head. I was trying to 496 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,599 compute while it just happened. So hope, could I tell somebody else what 497 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,679 it just happened? And I didn't realize what happened to yourself? Oh sure, 498 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,360 yeah, you were just trying to put the pieces together. If you've 499 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,079 had a dog me an encounter would like to speak with me about it, 500 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:29,159 whether I'm private or on this show, please go to dog meant Encounters dot 501 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,239 com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like 502 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,519 to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go to 503 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,840 my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know. When you finally told your 504 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:47,599 mother about that experience. How did she respond? Oh, way, motor, 505 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,360 she's real Irish. She's a real Irish mother. If way to hold 506 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,079 her black was wait, she'd believe me. She doesn't no idea what a 507 00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,920 cryptos is or that's why the most famous did this big foot or whatever. 508 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:05,400 That's probably as the longest history are more people talk about it. But she 509 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,760 wouldn't even know what big foot is. She's so she doesn't go on any 510 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,039 songs to social media, she doesn't help to even send an email. She's 511 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:17,440 really really all school. She doesn't even have my boy phone. She still 512 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,559 has the house phone. So that's what I love about her, because but 513 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,639 she she says, literally said to me listening, if it happened, if 514 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:29,400 it happens here, and that's what you say happened, that's what happens. 515 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,239 She believes it's just somebody else in my family had told they didn't believe me, 516 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,119 and that that's what horse. You've got a great mother. I'm impressed. 517 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,280 That's great. Yeah, you know Irish, Irish mammies, they are 518 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,639 famous, but love under their sons. I'm the only boy as well the 519 00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,599 rest of all girls. So and I'm the youngest. But I told my 520 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,960 mother in law. No, I told me mother law because I'd be pretty 521 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,679 close to her as well. You would be always jailed from day one. 522 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,519 And I met her daughter twenty five years agot A, you know, so 523 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,599 she's like a second mammy and she just she just laughed like she's laughing and 524 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:07,920 she's waiting for me to laugh with her. You had a straight face, 525 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,440 and what are you laughing at she was? She talked was a joke. 526 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,519 It's no joke. I'm telling something in them that's between me and you and 527 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,960 that nobody else. I'm telling something that's really keeping me down. Really happened, 528 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,840 and I'm shooking to the other and trying to share it. But she 529 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,119 was trying to obviously say, problem shares the problem half, that's what I 530 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,199 talk about. No, she just laughs, no such thing, and no 531 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,480 such thing exists. So I don't explain why it's. Ah, you didn't 532 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,119 he minds playing tricks on you. Okay, he mights playing tricks on me. 533 00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,360 Well, some people are so ignorant you don't want to if you told 534 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,440 them the hair was on fire, you still say that. There's no where, 535 00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:50,159 no where in this room. You know, people are just taking You're 536 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,199 right. Yeah, that's her problem, not a you problem. I'm just 537 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,400 so sorry to hear that. She responded that way. Yeah. See, 538 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,880 as I said, there's not many people they could tell. There's no well 539 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,639 I supposed to is now because there's plenty of people on the Dog Encounters Family 540 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,440 is you can you can just leave a message, doesn't It's huge support there, 541 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,880 And that's one thing I never even taller, but at that time it 542 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,519 was looking. It was looking for someone tangible, so a real person that 543 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:22,280 could sit down and talk to, to listen and just to not judge, 544 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,639 not say yeah, not saying no that they believe me, just to listen 545 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:32,079 to anyone who told from me on mother just had a giggle, just had 546 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,440 a giggle, couldn't believe what it was. So that's when I learned quick, 547 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,840 quick smart downs. Nobody put this on in the box, put it 548 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,880 somewhere in your mind and forget about it. More people who tell the more 549 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,320 people who think you're a nut job, or you're out in that field pick 550 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,159 a matching mushrooms or whatever. But yeah, that's where I learned, just 551 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,039 to bottle it up and saying nothing. And then after a few years I 552 00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:58,920 realized it was doing more harm than good doing that. So that's when I 553 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,800 firston It really is a shame you have to worry about concerns like that when 554 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,079 you have such a traumatic experience. It would be so nice if yet all 555 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,719 these people you could reach out to you for help, But unfortunately, as 556 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,280 you found out, that's just not the case. When you have a dog 557 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,280 me an encounter while you're walking through the forest before you saw that dog man. 558 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,800 Did you ever see any deer or other large animals? No, there 559 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,639 was absolutely nothing. Do you know, I believe it or not. It 560 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,360 was so quiet. I never realized him quite it was, But no, 561 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:37,239 jo Ony, think ourselves really really really rampant. It was big mushrooms grown 562 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:43,360 out of the trees, the old hungo everywhere. No what a living thing? 563 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,639 No other There's a few boards, but I think there was a couple 564 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,519 of ravens, and there was squack and mcmad, but there was no dear. 565 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,400 And there was cattle in the sheep. There was cattle in the field. 566 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,159 Oppositely the forest, there was cattle there are like but in the forest 567 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:06,559 itself or in the adjoining fields there was no no deer, nothing nothing. 568 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,199 Yeah, it wouldn't be surprised if he had worked his way through all the 569 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,559 deer and other animals like that there unfortunately. Yeah. How far do you 570 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,559 think you were from the trail where you saw that dog Me and Mick? 571 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,880 Not too far at all. No, because I realized that I was, 572 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,280 I wasn't on the trail when I start getting too the all growth, the 573 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:29,199 groat, nimber and That's when, of course noticed that the mushrooms everywhere, 574 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,519 and Scott and I was having to go off. I was walking the straight 575 00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:35,920 line. I had to go off the straight line to go around trees and 576 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,599 stuff like that. And I was saying, look down and then honest, 577 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,360 because the trail was like like a hard packed shale, and there was hard 578 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:50,199 packed down maybe three foot wide, and it was hard packed so you could 579 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,159 you could to walk on. And that's when I realized that I was just 580 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:58,840 just off the trail. I'd say it was about maybe maybe two hundred yards 581 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,039 off the trail, not too far, Yeah, not far at all. 582 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,800 Then, no, not too far at all. And then if I've had 583 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,559 to walk back to the trail, would be maybe maybe a mile back to 584 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,639 the road. Did you have any trouble finding your way back? No, 585 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,920 As I said, it was all downhill. And the reason why I knew 586 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,079 what I would have no problem getting back is that's the very start. The 587 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,480 trees were not dense at all, not dense, and the trees at the 588 00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:30,199 very start were newer trees. It looked at me as if the area that 589 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:37,320 I started, that where the trail started, something was maybe earmarked for being 590 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,639 built there because it looks as if it was maybe dug out with a couple 591 00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:47,119 of big machines. Maybe I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Maybe 592 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,800 forty or fifty trees were planted, because you could tell these are only young 593 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,599 trees. They're only four or five years old, these trees. So it 594 00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:59,119 looked as if the small area at the very started the trail was maybe being 595 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,880 vacant or may he decided to cut the trees down at the time and do 596 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,559 something with the land, and he didn't, so the replanted. Because if 597 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,840 tomorrow I walked up hill, the more trees I came across, the more 598 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,280 denser then the old growth started. So but I knew exactly where I was 599 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,639 because if I had to come it was walking up hill. It was so 600 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,239 it was so steep, big that you couldn't really get lost because it's so 601 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,639 up hill. If you're walking sideways, you're walking sideways. If you're walking 602 00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:32,360 down, you're walking back down. That's so easy it was. It's all. 603 00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:37,960 It was like a massive, big, massive, big rectangular entrance into 604 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:43,039 this place. I was straight up hill and straight downhill, and I knew 605 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,480 where I was going. I was coming down, but I was coming down 606 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:50,079 at a quicker pace. Obviously he was running, but it was leaving the 607 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,239 more denser area end coming to the sparsity place trees. And they were younger 608 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,440 looking as well, so I knew I was in the right spot. So 609 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,280 it wasn't even get that long I was. I was only out. I 610 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,639 thought I would say I left the B and B seven maybe it was around 611 00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,079 seven, Yeah, and I was backing on it by quarter to nine, 612 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,559 so it wasn't gone on all. Yeah, it sounds like you weren't. 613 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,199 Yeah, that dog men obviously was a terrifying sight. But would you describe 614 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,639 as being a monster or just a frightening looking animal? No, Yeah, 615 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,239 now he was a monster. Monster to me, he was a monster, 616 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,239 especially the way he smoiled than he knew what he was doing, putting his 617 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,599 foot over mine nearly am like Pinnamy foot the ground. Yeah. Whether he 618 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,320 was truly a monster or an animal, his behavior, best way to describe 619 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:45,000 it his monstrous. Yeah. Animals don't smoil at you, Animals don't come 620 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,960 to you. Animals want to avoid men. Let's be honest, Men and 621 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,639 human beings are the most destructive things in the world at a minute, and 622 00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:59,199 for him to reach out and put his foot close to mine. That's a 623 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,760 sign of he's not afraid, he's he's not himid animal. This thing is 624 00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,320 he's think he was stating his superiority over me or something like that. That's 625 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,679 the feeling like go, and the feeling that when he when he smiled, 626 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,079 it was it was it to say, you've really messed up. But I 627 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,800 wouldn't use mess I used a different world. But that's the feeling like yeah, 628 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,719 like I said, that's truly monstrous behavior. The only way it could 629 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,280 have been worse would have been if he would have attacked you, and you 630 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,639 think, goodness, he didn't do that. I thought it was coming. 631 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,239 That's why it closed me always, because it was looming over me. It 632 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,920 was like you put yourself. I had my feet up and my knees were 633 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,239 bent, and was sitting on right behind and I had one hand behind me 634 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,920 propping myself up, so it was on as the step and I was looking 635 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:51,079 up and I would say his blood right hand was drew like it was hovering 636 00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:58,039 around three four fronto my face and a red back and any kind of movement 637 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,039 towards rearing his hand back. That's when they closed to the eyes that they 638 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:05,280 knew it that he moves as I have. That's the sithing that he's going 639 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,760 to make a move. And there's no way dispointed his team. It's no 640 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,039 way, any man. I don't care who you are. If you said 641 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,880 three or four Bruce Lees or Took Norris or whoever, these chaps wouldn't last 642 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,159 five minutes. But the way this thing is built, everything was just proportionate, 643 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,599 perfectly proportionate. Wasn't He wasn't overly mustly, he wasn't skinny and small 644 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,679 musly, he was like everyone had a purpose his nails and he was just 645 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,559 a killing machine. That's how he looked. Maybe it was just it was 646 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,280 all a show or I don't know, but it was really really really impressive 647 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:42,280 and really really really scary at the same time. They know what they're doing. 648 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,119 Unfortunately, they know the buttons to push and they're too good at it. 649 00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,840 Yeah, it's not lost on you, Mick that a lot of people 650 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,880 who are interested in dog man thankful kill what human if they have the chance 651 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,280 to do that after having your encounter, what would you say to them about 652 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,519 that? Well? I was in that camp for a long time. I 653 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,360 thought maybe he was just he was going to kill me, and he was 654 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,719 just the store, but then I had to and then talking to you, 655 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,960 and then thinking on it as well as he whatever wherever a long this I 656 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,079 would say the whole encounter lasted a minute maybe more, with me seeing him 657 00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,760 the first time and then not seeing them looking over again, and him making 658 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,480 himself visible and then moving to the second three and then shown himself. He 659 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,800 could have had me at any time, he had me bank the rights and 660 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,360 seeing how fast these things mill. If he wanted to kill me, I 661 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,719 would have been dead without even seeing him. He could have come up, 662 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:38,719 he could have came. He could have blindside of me, I paint from 663 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,159 behind or whatever. I think they're only just there to scare. I don't 664 00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,599 know what they're thing is, maybe to dig it off and I don't know. 665 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,599 No, they'll not all kill the changes, as as as I've learned. 666 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,000 But he listened to the people's and kill just whatever. They'll kill him, 667 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,039 livestock and the well that's oppose. You have to get you have to 668 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:04,920 live UNTD you have to eat a sustenance and everything else. And maybe maybe 669 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,199 one or two bad ones do kill the humans. Who knows. But he 670 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,920 had me bank the rights he had could have had me, but he didn't. 671 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,880 So that says something about they're not all killing machine. They're not all 672 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,039 going towards team. Maybe he's putting this planet. Maybe he doesn't know what 673 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,679 he is either. He's probably just trying to find himself. Quite or no, 674 00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:27,039 but they're definitely not all killing machine because if that was the case, 675 00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:31,199 I wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation exactly. I'm so glad you realize 676 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:37,039 that. Did he ever tail Mick? If so, how do you describe 677 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,320 it? No, I didn't see it till at all of it. I've 678 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,440 never seen in the back room because the only time he saw and he was 679 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,280 retreating back to the trees behind him, like he was in the tree back 680 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,480 back. He was the uman I was doing. He was going backwards but 681 00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,679 keeping his eye on me, and he was I was looking at him. 682 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,119 But I've never seen his behind or the back of him. The only black 683 00:50:55,199 --> 00:51:00,119 part of them I saw was the when he couldn't really miss it, when 684 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:01,719 he when he turned his head any kind of off center and he could see 685 00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:06,119 was that rump at the back of his head. It was like a I 686 00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,800 don't know what it is like a joint, big rump just where our next 687 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,519 are, the base of our next where their next made their shoulders. It 688 00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,639 was a massive, big MASSI big muscle there. But he didn't see his 689 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,079 behind after that anywhere. Yeah. From listening to you talk about what happened, 690 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,400 it sounded to me like he always faced you. Yeah, yeah, 691 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,480 and he was never well. If he did have a tail, it wasn't 692 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,880 alarmed because he was off center. Maybe maybe I don't know ten degrees when 693 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,199 he had his foot right beside miculp. And if you have any kind of 694 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,559 big tail, I'm sure it will probably stick out with your off center. 695 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,119 It didn't see any tail. Oh yeah, I'm sure it would have been. 696 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,599 Did he ever make any sounds during the course of your encounter with him? 697 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,079 Not one sound at all, not even people say they grew all and 698 00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,880 so I didn't hear a peep. And but the the only I was here 699 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:01,119 was they got pulsate in my year, but relized after that while it was 700 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:06,239 the blood pumping in my ears because that's all I could hear. It was 701 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,280 like, you know what I mean, the sound of blood pumping. But 702 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:15,400 no, there's no sound at all at all, Thank God, Oh, 703 00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,480 yeah, I know exactly what you mean about the blood pumping. Three years 704 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,760 when you first laid eyes on him, did you ever think about running? 705 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,599 Yeah, well, the first time I saw him, I wasn't sure if 706 00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:29,440 I saw it, don't know, because it was just so he was so 707 00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:35,239 quick. I glanced over and he pants. I look down, as I 708 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,719 said, look down at my feet. So I was watching my putting them 709 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,880 because of the roots and stuff, the old bloat. And then I looked 710 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,719 up again, and that's what I caught. Contact them now so so intrigued 711 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,119 them what I was looking at. I didn't even think about running. I 712 00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:52,679 don't know why. And then when I realized what it was, I just 713 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:58,079 the whole body was just legs like jelly. If my mind had a said 714 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,800 run, I don't think me body would enable the function. That's not that 715 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,280 I even joy it too, but I'll be able to well. Regardless of 716 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,400 the reason, I'm so glad you didn't try to run. I think that's 717 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,079 maybe what they want. You want a bit of a chase. I'm not 718 00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,360 too sure if you run from a dog, they're going to run after you. 719 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,400 I shouldn't really compare it with a dog, because that's not what they 720 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,920 are, but it's nearest thing to comparison. Well, when you consider some 721 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,320 of the things they do, they do have some dog like tendencies. But 722 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,480 if you would have run, do you get that much more of a rise 723 00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,920 out of you? I'm pretty sure you would have chased you, like you 724 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,480 said, yeah, just for the pleasure of chasing. Yeah. It probably 725 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:40,760 would have put Marvel Roy's elm me. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you 726 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,280 would. Yeah. Are you glad your encounter happened so far from home or 727 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,920 would have been easier to deal with if it would have happened closer to where 728 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,360 you live? Absolutely? I'm deloyed to happen somewhere else because I can pull 729 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,280 it away in a box saying that happened over there, It's not going to 730 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,960 happen over here. That's exactly. One of the best things about it is 731 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,920 that it didn't happen on my front doorstep are my favorite place to walk with 732 00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,880 my children? Are the place where I go could happen with my son. 733 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,320 It didn't happen there, happened on the forum bunty way way over there in 734 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,239 eastern Europe. So I put it in the box and leave it over there. 735 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,679 And I know it's a bad thing to say, but that helped me 736 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,320 a lot, saying that it wasn't going to happen here. No, don't 737 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,639 feel bad about that. I mean, if it's the positive that it happened 738 00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:30,320 so far away, we'll take any good news we can get exactly. Yeah, 739 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,039 definitely, you had a strong Catholic upbringing, Mick. Do you think 740 00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:42,519 that's helped you deal with that experience? And well, I've played an awful 741 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:47,039 lot afterwards. I thought it was something that I'd done. Always been happened 742 00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:52,239 because something that I've done, But it's just where we brought ups Cattan, 743 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:58,920 especially in Orleans. Yeah, it helped an awful lot because meeting the Bible 744 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,440 as well, I helped an awful lot because it is always going to be 745 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,480 good, it's always going to be bad. Blah blah blah blah. Yeah, 746 00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:07,119 praying helped me a lot. It never took it away, but it 747 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:13,159 made it easy a little bit, if you understand I'm saying it took a 748 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:16,639 small but as anyway, Oh good, I'm glad it did help. Then. 749 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,599 Yeah, what's about time for us to get out of here, Mick. 750 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:23,239 But before we do, do you have any clothing comments you'd like to 751 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,679 share. I'd just like to thank you first of all, because ever since 752 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,199 I got touched due the first time, even the second time and the tour 753 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,639 time, it's been a big, great help because I kept forgetting the one 754 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,119 thing that if he wanted me, I was gone, So he wasn't able 755 00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,639 to get me. He wasn't he wasn't just scifically looking for me. He 756 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,480 was just out there the homody does talking about a total stranger. I think 757 00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,039 that's the mistake I made. Maybe I would have had a better outcome. 758 00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,119 I've had to hold a total stranger. Radn't told someone that I got was 759 00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:58,400 close to me. If I had to hold someone that was totally didn't know 760 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,840 who it was, maybe got a better reception out of it and maybe made 761 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,239 you feel a whole lot better. Though the whole situation tells whole stranger than 762 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:12,679 tells someone that I forsted than caredabile. That's all the past, No, 763 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,880 that's about it. Just share more and care more. Well. Like I 764 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,159 told you, Mick, it's bad enough you had to experience that encounter, 765 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,800 but when you got back home and you would expect that you would have gotten 766 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,280 all the help from all these people that you shared your experience with, but 767 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,760 unfortunately you didn't. It really is a shame that you had to deal with 768 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:37,119 that as well, but thanks again so much for your time making have a 769 00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:37,679 great night.