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If you do, I give you my word that you will not be
harmed, but your mind's changed in any way. There's someone outside me company.
We surely they must come in. It's probably dangerous up there now.
Parents shall have to let them in, open the door reckoning. M hmm.
What's the idea of the life being out down? You take a fine
time for it. Hello, and now that you're in, welcome to the
show. My name's David Young. Okay. Now, if you listen to
the last show, I had Neil Pecker on the show and we mentioned a
lady named Jane Rowley. Well, as it happens on this show, Jane
Rowley is our guest and we may be talking about demons as the show is
called The Demon Connections, So I won't they say more time. I'd like
to introduce Jane really to the show. He Jane, Welcome to the show.
Hi, David, Yeah, it's lovely to be here. I'm glad
we finally managed to catch up for a chat. Yes, it's been about
time. As we have been saying now, I have been trying to get
to the other shows I've been saying to you for a while. Now we
finally got it together. So I had Neil on the last show, and
I would like to make it like a double It's like a double epic if
you like, with the pair of you, because it's kind of like based
on the halted antics and also the new website, which is or the video
website that I think you both run it. Do you VPN? Are you
talking about the GPN network? Yeah? Yes, yeah, And Neil's Neil
sort of it's more sort of Neil's baby. He's sort of be in control
of all that and all the content that goes on there, and I sort
of help out where I can, But we tend to do a lot of
our own videos to sort of go on there, so I sort of help
out a lot with that. MM So, I mean I did sort of
mention it there. I mean, how did it kind of materialized that was
decided to happen. It's like a big video site basically people can put their
videos on and yeah it's on it's on Roku, so you need to watch
it on Roku on the Telly you need a stick. But I think now
it's on YouTube as well. So it came about. It came about really
because Neil wanted we do a show called The Demon Connections, and Neil wanted
to take it to a wider audience, and I know he approached sort of
several channels to see if they were interested, and we felt it might be
a bit too controversial with it being about demons, so they didn't. I
don't think they were ready to sort of take it up yet. So then
Neil being Neil, decided to sort of do it himself and so he launched
He launched it all himself, and it's been really successful because we don't it's
one of those things where we have ideas and we perhaps approach other people and
if people don't like it all they don't want to be involved, we just
then tend to go off and do it anyway. Yeah, it's the best
way to do it, and it really you've always got to do your own
thing and not not kind of worry too much about other people. If you
don't want to be part of it. Then that's up to them. But
there's the Ghost Planet Network we're talking about, isn't it. Yes, Yes,
I more what GPN meant. Yes, its Planet Network. Yes,
And as I as I understand it, I mean, I've got my I
bought my stick in the World back. But I haven't actually had a lot
of time where we look at it recently because of things of other things I've
been doing. But it seems to be growing steadily with all the differences.
And that's one of the nice things about it because you can just go on
it and watch it whenever you want. You know, you can just go
on and binge watch a load if you want, if you've got a weekend
for you know, you can sit in front of your screen and watch it
for as long as you like. And that's one of the nice things about
it. And Neil's a great champion of sort of the little guy, and
this is how the paramet is sort of evolved as well, and he always
wants to give them, the little guy a voice, and this was the
same sort of thing. He wanted to give the little guy a platform to
sort of show their content because there's a lot of good content out there.
And people don't really get the opportunity to sort of showcase what they do,
and this was one of the things that was quite important to Niel. So
he then encouraged people to you know, provide their content and he puts it
on the site and it's been really good. Yeah, I think I've got
to say that in a kind of an amateur way, because you're not seeing
in you're actually seeing life, ghost haunts and all sorts of things like that,
things are going to be less likely to be fake or whatever rather than
like or to be t show. Yeah, well we're not. We're not
great fans of sort of fakery and no I'm not either deceit. So Neil
is quite meticulous about the content. Obviously it's his show, it's his reputation
and stuff, so he does watch all the content before he puts it on
there, and if he feels it's not quite right, then it doesn't get
on there. But most people who subject, you know, submit stuff.
It's all genuine stuff and it's you know, it's just it's just genuine ghost
hunt. And if you need a fix of watching you know, something different,
then that's where you can go to see it. Yeah, exactly,
I mean it seems a bit pointless told fakest up because it just the whole
thing to disrepute in any way, doesn't it. Yeah. Yeah, And
it's not good for the rest of the paranormal world, is it. You
know, it's not good for the field for people to do that. And
you so lose your credibility, don't you. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean
a few shows have suffered from then't know, And unfortunately when they've been even
when they've been trying to sort of do the good things, it's you've only
got to do one thing wrong and people remember that. Yeah, that's right.
You can. You can put your heart and soul into something for years
and years and years, and then just one small mistake can just wipe that
out because people don't remember the good stuff there, remember the bad bits.
Yeah. That's right. It stays forever, doesn't it. It's so anyway,
anyone, I'm just out there. The GPN network, the Ghost Planet
Network is well hardly worth looking at if you're into ghost hunting. You can
have all day, all day long looking at it, so for forever probably,
Yeah, And there's lots of different sort of things on there, and
like I said, we do a show called The Dealing Connections. There's also
some other shows that we do up at the center on there, and then
there's there's all the other team's contents as well, and everybody does it slightly
differently, so you know, it's nice to see a bit of variety in
the investigations. Yeah, yeah, because you do actually show investigations at the
NIX Halted NX Museum, is it? I got it that right. Yeah.
Well, Neil's renamed it as a little while ago, so it's the
Paranormal Research Center, which incorporates the Haunted Museum. Yeah, I still call
it the Haunted US. You have to excuse me. I think it's been
known for as that for such a long time, isn't it. Yeah,
I talked about the Haunted Museum. Have you seen many well, have had
many experiences there? Should I say with halted items? Yes, I've had
lots. I've been with Neil since before or just before. Well, I've
worked with Neil for many years, for about twelve years now, and because
Neil used to run in a venue group and also an investigation group, and
I was part of all those teams, and then he went and opened up
the center, so I rejoined him again just as he opened the center,
and we've had some amazing stuff go on there. It's I mean, the
people say, oh, there's no evidence to say the paranormal exists and stuff,
but there is so much evidence out there, and people just a lot
of times just don't choose to sort of acknowledge it as being real. But
there's just so much thing. You know, so many things have been captured
on camera and on pictures, and you know, some of it we just
can't explain, and not many other people can explain it either. But we've
had lots and lots of really good experiences up there. Hm, we get
to discorde a few. Yes, one of the incidents or incidents. One
of the things, Yeah, I went into the mirror in the attic room.
There's a big arch mirror there which is like a big portal and one
of the experiments that we wanted to do. It was a sort of a
Halloween experiment really, and the group the team there was four of us,
I think, and we were all going to I think the five of us
at the time, and we were all going to go try and astra project
into the mirror. And the experiment was we would all go into the mirror
and then we would all sort of come back, and then without talking to
each other, we would actually draw what we'd seen and what we'd experienced to
see if any of it was similar or Unfortunately, on the night, only
me and Neil turned up, so Neil did the camera and I went into
the mirror and it was really quite a phenomenal experience, really, and it's
put so many questions. I've got so many more questions now than before I
went in, you know, and it did really quite open my eyes really
to a whole different sort of experience. That's interesting because I know you're on
your actually medium yourself on't you. Yeah. I'm the resident medium at the
center, so I worked closely with Neil and the team too, just to
do as much as we can, really, to find out as much as
we can. But I've been doing spiritual work for a long time before that.
I was a member of the church, Spiritualist church. I did spiritual
healing. I was a platform medium, so I did that. But I've
been seeing and working with spirit right from since I was a child. My
earliest experience was when I was in bed at night time. There was this
thing that used to sort of come out of the wardrobe. It was like
a little I'm not quite short, it was like a little sort of creature,
but it was dressed in It was dressed in sort of like a little
patchwork sort of clothing, not a suit really, but more of a I
don't know. He just had this sort of patchwork clothing on. And he
used to sit on the end of my bed and pinch my feet and really
make me cry. And I try and hide under the cupboards from him,
and he used to do this. He did this for a couple of years,
and of course when I tried to tell my parents, they just say,
are you are dreaming? Ah, it is your imagination, all that
sort of thing. So I'd sort of just had to sort of deal with
it, really, and I used to dread go into bed, and I
used to try and block up this cupboard as much as possible so he couldn't
open the door and come out. Well, yeah, it would be scarious.
How old were you at that time, I'd probably be about one four
or five. Yeah, I mean that would be terrifying. It went on
for a couple of years, but even now, as a grown adult,
I cannot sleep with any drawers or cupboards open. Yeah, I mean I
remember as a young teenager, I used to go and sneak sneak off and
see like X films, but I shouldn't. They recalled XS back then.
They turned it the like over eighteens later on or sixteens or whatever it was.
But I can remember coming home from some of these old hammer films and
things and sort of being frightened up in the cupboard and things like that.
You know, I watched horror movies. I just can't watch horror movies.
Never, never watch I've never seen them, you can't, right, No,
I watched a couple when I was about I think I was about seventeen.
I've seen a couple of horror films and I just couldn't watch them,
and it's put me off life. And now I never watched them. All
right, that's quite an insuru. I've got to ask you about that.
No, there because a lot of people get drawn into the parallel well after
watching horror films. So with you, it's been kind of a reverse.
Yeah, it's I don't do horror films at all. And you know you
can put me with me torch, you know, in the in the darkest
room in the loneliest building. And I'm perfectly fine, but I just can't
do horror films. You know, a lot of people will say, you
know, have you have you seen this? And have you seen that?
And you know, I just I just don't watch them. But for me
it's quite good because it means that I don't get influenced when I'm working with
spirit. There's no influences there to sort of, you know, cloud my
judgment as such, right, because I mean, I mean the horror films
normally they take things to such an extreme that they're usually unbelievable anyway, with
a lot of it. But you do get a lot of the psychological horror
as well, where you don't actually see what's what's sexual causing the problems,
do you Yeah, I mean obviously you don't know because you don't see them.
So you see, I like to try and if there's something out there
that's or if we come across something that's notarticularly nice or favor I like to
try and work with it or try and find out more about it. When
the demon connections, we look in the horror movies where you've got the nun,
the evil non Ballack. Well, Ballack is nothing like that. You
know, the demon Ballack is actually a little cherub with wings. And this
is what this is another thing that I don't like. The horror films sort
of distort. Yeah, that's what it was. That's kind of what I
was saying. They do exaggerate things and so they become quite unbelievable. Anyway.
Yeah, so people think, you know, so many people think that
Ballack is really an evil nun. Well it's nothing like that's not It's just
a little sweet cherub. That's interesting though. I mean, actually, when
you see like the Iruagiable portrayed in a horror film, it's brings out all
sorts of well, we're going to tell to you a bit about demons later,
you know, as we go along, But it brings out all sorts
of demons and things in the films. And of course, really, as
far as I know, I've used a wisible quite a few times over the
years, and I've never experienced anything like you see in the films. No,
I've used beageboards quite a bit. My very first experience on the weedge
board was quite an eye opener for me, and it proved to me that
really spirit can work through a weigeboard and or a talking board as some people
like to call them. And I was only about fifteen at the time and
I was doing it with my mum. It was just me and my mom
on there. My mom actually made the board. Whilst they made the board,
she just cut out let us out of a piece of paper put them
around the table, right yeah, and we just had a wineglass which was
moving around and could strong. Story short, my grandma and granddad were staying
with us. They were sitting on the setti, they weren't on the board,
and we got this spirit come through and it had got a message from
my granddad. And it was basically this man that come through to sort of
confess to my granddad because when he was a small boy, he came to
play in my granddad's house with my uncle. He was a friend of my
uncle's who was a small boy at the time as well. So my uncle
had invited this lad around to play. My mum was younger than my uncle,
so she was only about three or four at the time, so she'd
got no idea what was going on. And this boy had actually took a
pocket watch off the mantlepiece and stole it out of the house, and he'd
come through to confess to my granddad that he was the one that took the
pocket watch off the mantel piece. My uncle Peter passed away quite a few
years ago, and there was only me and my mum on the board.
But we couldn't explain that. And my granddad was bit of a skeptic.
He didn't really believe much, but he sort of turned, he turned a
bit white, and he just really didn't know what to say because until that
point he never did know what happened to that pocket watch because it went missing
off the mantlepiece. Very strange and did you actually know about that yourself?
So no, I didn't know. Well, I wasn't even born same.
You know, my mum's in the seventies now, but you know, this
was probably about twenty years ago we did it. My granddad was still alive
then, but my moment would have only been a little girl, about three
or four. I think my uncle Peter would have been probably about eight or
nine, you know, and he brought his boy around to play in their
house, and yeah, this boy stole this pocket watch off the mantlepiece and
had come through to confess to my granddad that it was him that took the
pocket watch, And until we did that weag board session, my granddad never
did know what happened to that watch. Very strange, I mean, obviously
there's quite a bit of evidence there, you know, for you not really
being aware of it, and obviously your granddad only being the only one that
really knew anything about it, and he was nowhere near the board. He
was a skeptic. So yeah, it was to me because that was my
first ever sort of weedge board session. It proved to me that weigia boards
can work, and that they can be truthful. If your intention is sort
of loyal and honest and open, then you can get meaningful communication. Yeah,
I mean, smilar thing happened to me actually when we were seeing it.
So when I was a teenager with my friends and things, we did
it a few times and my girlfriend at the time and her friend and her
boyfriend sort of decided to do the wigiable one night, but he wasn't interested
in doing it, so he said, well, you get on with it
and dogs go sit in the corner, and we kind of got it all
set up. Probably said, so I'll tell you what let's let's try something.
You write something on a piece of paper and none of us know,
and we'll see if we can find out what you've written on this piece of
paper. So off he went. He sat in the corner, and he
saw him right and away. Anyway, we asked the table to cut a
long story short, as you said before, and the tables and the glass
of the wine glass started spelling out g u N, so it spelled out
gun. So we said, I think his name was Vince. I think
his name was Vince. And we said, Vince, what what did you
actually right over there? And he went white as well. And what he
did he actually hadn't written gun. He actually draw a picture of one and
he held it and he held it up like that he sort of you know,
we all went, we all looked at each other, figure, wow,
that's some evidence there, because there was no way that or we could
have seen what he'd written the talk. He was right in the corner,
and that was you know, that was kind of real evidence to us as
well. You know, yeah, yeah, when you get that, when
you get that sort of eureka moment and you know you know yourself that that's
a genuine piece of communication. It does shiver up the spine a bit,
yeah, we did. We did also notice several times when we used to
do it, the room used to go really cold as well. And also
if we had a we wanted to have a candle going for some reason.
I don't really know why, if it made it look weird or whatever,
but is it in the dark with a candle going. But often the flame
would go right high and then right down load. It's almost going out,
and we could almost we could ask the spirit to actually do that, and
it would do that, you know, make the flame go right up high
and go right down load. Obviously I'm talking to the converted here. You
already know all this stuff. I'm just saying that I've experienced sort of things
like that myself, you know, yeah, yeah, And when it's genuine,
you know, you feel it. And this is one thing that people
sort of don't quite get sometimes when they're on an investigation, when it's real
and when it's happening. You know, when it's genuine, you know,
because the truth resonates at a certain frequency. And when you feel that truth
and you feel it, you know, you know it's real because you feel
that sort of truth resonating around you. Yeah, and you do get the
mischievous. I suppose they're mischievous spirits as well. Like we had one come
through once that told us he was he was from Venus. It was a
Venusian and maybe it was true. I don't know, but but he was
describing what it was like. It was like a walking plant with fights and
all that sort of thing, you know, And we thought it was quite
a music at the time. Whether it was sort of a spirit playing around
with us, I don't know. We've we've had some of these sort of
beings come up at the center and we've been doing right when we've been doing
the demon connections. You know, some of them have said that they are
from different planets, they are from the stars, and you know, some
of them always look that, they don't all look human. Some of them
have a different form. One of them has a form of a star because
that's the form he prefers, that's the form he likes to manifest into.
Right, was your own view? I mean, well, we're just on
that little bit of a subject. What's your own view or life on another
planet's I mean, I've definitely believe that his life I definitely believe. I
definitely believe. And we have actually encountered someone at the center, you know,
the Antique Center. We've got a little I call him Spirit, but
I'm not sure if he's really of spirit such. It's more like looking through
a window into a different dimension. And we call him a little e T
And he's like a little gray but he's only like about two and a half
feet tall. And the picture that we sort of captured of him, he's
got a bit it looks a bit like a computer under his arm, and
he's been up there for a while. And we've also had an experience where
we were in the attic room and there was a the room was sort of
filled with an energy. But this energy wasn't just a single sort of being.
It was like a collective energy. There was about twelve thirteen different beings
in this collective energy, and they were sort of astral sort of traveling.
They were they were sort of traveling just they were just sort of passing through.
We've also had another one that was sort of attached to a plate and
he was he was like an astral traveler and he was he was just sort
of passing through as well. So we've had, we've had a few sort
of experiences with you know, things from not necessarily say planets, but sort
of other worlds, you know, things that are not of this world.
Yeah. Oh, I don't know what your feason is on there. There's
a lot of interdimensional stuff going on as well. They're not, like you
say, not necessary from other planets, but things that are as you as
you know, things vibrate at different planes, and there's a lot of going
on outside of our realm with vision if you like that, we can't see
and I mean, I don't know if you believe the same as me.
I believe that things are probably all happening at the same time, and there's
no such thing as time, and it's all kind of intermingled and you know,
and that's why sometimes we can see ghosts and things occasionally you would you
think that's the truth. I believe that this this, all this open space
around us. I believe that's where the spirit world is because it's moving energy
all the time. We think there's nothing there, but it's it's it's it's
the this moving energy. And that's where I believe all the spirit world is.
And the veil between us and that dimension is so thin, you know,
and when we see a ghost or an apparition, that's when they've just
manifested through that that sort of veil. So and it doesn't matter where you
are, you know, if you've got if you say, you know,
Aunt Mary comes through to see your manifest or whatever in your home and she
you know, she moves things or whatever. You know, you know that
energy is there. But if you went on holiday to say, to America,
she would still be very close to you, you know, she wouldn't
have to travel to America to sort of to show her presence next to you.
Yeah, she has anything on the plane with you, you can Yeah,
she doesn't have to get on the plane and fly there, you know,
to be with you. It's they can be with you wherever. Yeah,
it's the same spirit guides you know where. They will be with you
as well wherever you go. Mm hmm. Yeah. Sometimes it's quite difficult
to get your head around some of that. I mean, of Chiven,
I try to drive you so mad with it sometimes, trying to think about
not that the universe going on and on and on and on and things like
that, and obviously things I mean, obviously if that if the universe has
go on, like there's there's countless world's out there and they've all got their
own spirit world. Are they all together or or else separate or you know,
it's it's something that kind of bothers me sometimes. Yeah, And it's
it's the thing with time, isn't it. You know, in some cortures,
they believe that there's only the present. You know, there isn't a
past or a future, there's only the present. And we do actually only
we are only ever in the present. So that's then when the past,
you know, the past becomes your presence at the time you were in the
present, when you're pastor was happening. Yeah, honestly, it's it's sutually
a when I started actually to think about the holographic universe as well, now
where things are sort of like a because nothing solid and everything is kind of
like a hologram, you know. Yeah, I agree with that, because
we are we are holograms ourselves. If you take one cell from our body,
you know, all the information from our body is in that one cell,
So we are a bit like a hologram ourselves. And it's kind of
also to me that leads to that also gives you evidence that we don't actually
die because our bodies may sort of disintegrate, but we've got a life force
within us that carries on. Yeah, and I believe that we you know,
we all have past lives, we all have purpose to be here.
And yeah, once once this physical body dies, we just go, we
go back to the spirit world. And I've got you know, I recently
had a very interesting experience with my sister and you know, this is I
should be writing all about this in my my next article in the Haunted magazine.
And it's really about because she passed away in March. And yeah,
she was only forty nine. She had pancreatic cancer. They only gather three
months to live. That's awful. Yeah, so young, isn't it.
Yeah, try to hear that. Yeah. Yeah, but she said to
me, you know, when I was up there sitting with it, she
said to me that anything you can learn from my death to share with other
people, then do as much as you can, you know. And that's
that's what I did. I sat with her, you know, until she
passed, and my mum was there as well, and my daughter and a
son. She had two boys that she's left behind. And you know,
for me, the experience was quite although it was emotional, but it was
very enlightening. And you know, it's not the first time I've been countered
death. I've been around quite a few people who have passed away, but
this time was really an opportunity and it was with her blessing that she you
know, she let me learn and do as much as I could on the
spiritual side. Mm hmm. I mean, did you have you been in
contact with us since she's passed over. Yes, yes, she's she's been
seeing a few times, so she's okay, she's all right, that's that's
good. Yeah, I know where to sort of go with that one.
But so, yeah, I understand what you're saying. Well, at least
you know now that she's not suffering, and I think that's kind of the
most important thing you can take it out of there, isn't it. Yeah,
Yeah, yeah, it is. But it's it was a it's a
sad case, but you know, at the end of the day, it
comes to all of us, and I think we don't always get the opportunity,
particularly on a spiritual level, to work with people as they're passing.
And one of the things that sort of not annoyed me a little bit,
but because because she was because the hospice was full, she had to go
in a care home, which I didn't really feel was appropriate because she'd have
got a lot of dementia patients around her, and there was a lot of
wailing and screaming, and it wasn't particularly peaceful, calm sort of death.
You know. There was a lot of noise going on, and you know,
even after she'd passed, I still felt she was there for a while.
And one of the nurses just walked straight in, grabbed the sheet and
just covered her over and I just felt that was just so she's not quite
gone yet. And I said to her, you know, we don't don't
want to cover her up yet, and she sort of said, well,
she's gone. I said, well, yes, I know she is,
but she's not gone entirely. She's not. She's still she's still here.
So if we didn't cover up yet, because it just seemed inappropriate because she
was still there. Mm hmm. Yeah. I think some medical people,
I think they just treat us as a piece of meat, don't they really
And she said, oh, I've never really thought of it. On the
spiritual side. She says, we just cover them up as soon as they've
gone. Well, yeah, it's it's you know, I imagine in places
like that they probably do with the old people, that as they pass on,
they just sort of cover them up and leave them. Yeah, and
it wasn't you know, it just some places are better than others. I
definitely felt family around her that had come to collect her. M nice and
yeah, there was there was quite an interesting you know people say about the
white light. I could feel them, h I could feel the white light
sort of next to me, as in like a swirling sort of white light.
But what I could see it was like a portal in fact, to
the spirit world m hm. So once she she was trying to get to
this all all sort of she was trying to get to the to the light
sort of all day the day before she passed, because she passed about eight
o'clock in the morning the following day. But after she'd gone, it took
a while for that sort of white portal, if you like, that light
to sort of diminish, m and close. So it was fascinating from that
point of view. Was there something that reinforced your belief or was you were
you. So, I mean, I'm not might be sort of staying it
wrongly here, but was it something that you already knew was happening? Was
it something that actually reinforced your belief in the life. Do you think it
definitely reinforced it, because yeah, because I could feel the family. I
knew who the family were around us because I could see them, and I
could also this this portal, this lightwey was very important. I actually sat
next to it. I think that's one of the very important things. But
without being there sort of at that time, those sort of precious you know,
the day before up the day before and when she actually passed, that
was really quite important to be there, to connect with it all and to
see it all. However, was she a big believer or selfie the author
for Yeah, she was, Yeah, she was, definitely she was.
She was a white witch and very spiritual. But as I was, you
know, as as they declined more and more, they just tend to pump
up more and more full of morphine. So that, I mean, I
knew that she was still connected to the spirit world, but she wasn't necessarily
connected to us, right, Yeah, I'm going to try and put all
this down in writing. Yeah, it's very sad, but also it's also
very uplifting really at the same time, isn't it knowing that someone's passed over
and they've come back and everything. Yes, But later on that day,
because one of her younger son didn't want to go to the hospice and see
her. He just wanted to remember as she was because obviously I'm in pancreatic
cancer. She lost a lot of weight and she was almost like Skelington by
the time she passed. But her older son he was there. But when
we went back to the house later on in the day after she'd passed,
I could feel her in the house. She'd come to just sort of check
upon her youngest boy. M hm. When you mentioned reincarnation earlier, do
you know of any part words of your own? Oh, yes, I
have done. I have done one session, and I believe it's my earliest
life. And I was I was. As I look down, I can
see sort of like I've got sort of olive skin as such, in a
Mediterranean type of skin, and I've got sort of cuffs on my ankles,
not not not metal or anything like that. It's just like a fabric leather
type sort of cuffs on my ancause and I'm barefooted, and in front of
me there's a big temple, but it's got like a snake's sort of face
on the front and in that temple. Although I was classed as a priestess,
it was just another name for really a human worker, if you like,
because there was another man that worked with me. His name was Causer.
I think there was another man that worked with me. And although I
was classed as a priestess, I was the person that sort of fetched water
and food and did the cleaning and that sort of thing. It wasn't a
particularly glamorous job. But the people, I say people reptilians. I think
there were the reptilians in there were they'd sort of got the big sort of
robes on with the you know, it was a like a reptilian face that's
on the front of the temple. And that's that's sort of my earliest life.
But when I came back from that life and I came back into the
room, what I could see was a nineteen thirties dresser and it had got
my hat on there. I instantly recognized my nineteen thirties hat and my bag
and I wanted to get those and go often and see what was in my
next life. But the session ended then, So you'll go back to the
aliens again. That you mentioned the Reptilian. So do you believe in the
Reptilian race? I do from this previous life. Yeah, because I've done
drawings of it as well, and it's it's one of those things where you
can't explain how you know or where you get this information from. But the
belief there for me was very strong, because I do believe I was there
and doing this job in this temple. Very interesting. I mean, the
reptilian has come up quite often on this show, and well many people have
spoken to have seen them, and we're supposed to be control board a rectilian
race in the fourth dimension, I believe. What's your feelings on that?
Do you? I mean, do you ever get any I mean, being
a medium like you are, do you ever see anything like that in your
troubles? If you like, how do you mean sort of reptilian? Do
you ever? Yeah? Can you actually envisage? Maybe that's not the wrong
word as well? Do you ever do you ever sense them? That's what
I mean. Well, sometimes if I'm standing next to somebody who's got a
bit of a weird energy. I don't sort of read too much into it.
I just move away from it sometimes people. You know, if you're
standing next to somebody in a queue in the shop or something like that,
you you know, somebody's got a bit of a weird energy and it doesn't
quite feel right. I do tend to move away from them, but I
wouldn't necessarily say I've seen, you know, some sort of reptile type person
out in the streets. It's more their energy. It's the energy that you
sort of pick up. It's interesting because they are supposed to have quite a
nasty energy from what I've heard, and people have exp Yeah, so it's
vibration and they kind of feed off of our fear type of thing. Is
the top of thing I've heard. Yeah, I mean I haven't. I
haven't looked too much into it. But you just know, when you're sort
of out, say, when you're out and about, if something feels stood
weird or not right with somebody, I do just tend to move away.
I don't tend to spend too much time on it. Yeah. Yeah,
the senses, I mean, do you do you actually see auras as well.
I sometimes see like silver shadows with people. I also see sort of
black shadows and things like that when I'm just out and about. But it's
when I that's when I'm sort of switched off and not on duty, if
you like. But when I sort of switch it, switch it on,
and I then connect with the spirit world. I do then tend to see
it a lot more. You can't have it running twenty four to seven.
It's not good for you. I was going to ask you that, can
can you actually switch it on and off as if you you know, because
otherwise, if you were seeing it all the time, you wouldn't know if
you were seeing real people or well, it's more, I say, it
is more energy as such that you pick up. But I don't know.
I don't I am in complete sort of control in what I do. And
you see so many people that haven't sort of feel like, gone through training
or done any anything to sort of help themselves on the journey. And yet
they're wondering, my spirit's coming in all the time and they don't understand it,
and there's no control there, and you know, they can't sleep at
night because all this. You know, my space is my space and they
know that. You know, when I go to bed and my bedroom is
my space, it's where I rest, it's where I and you know,
unless there's unless there's something that they feel I should really know, then you
know, I don't have them, don't I'm not sort of switched on all
the time. And if I'm with grandkids, I'm not sort of switch you
know. It's that sort of thing, right, I mean, do you
know of any other mediums or clearvarians who have trouble switching off? Or can
most mediums and clearvoes do that? No, they can't. Well, you
see, I've sat in Circle quite a few years. I sat in Circle
for like five years do meditation and learning and training and everything else to learn
how to do all that. And I feel that gave me a really good
ground. It give me a lot of training for the platform mediumship and that
sort of thing. But I have known people in the past that have sort
of caught the center and done a They've done a bit of an investigation and
then you know, like they come back about two months later and said,
well, wow, I'm a full blow medium. You know, they've done
a couple of things. You know, they've had a couple of experiences on
investigations and then all of a sudden they're a medium, which find if that's
how you want to do it. But then, you know, sometimes people
can get into trouble with sort of psychic attacks, or they get themselves into
situations that where they don't know how to sort of handle it, or you
know, they can't sleep at night, or the field that somebody's following them,
or you know, there's so many experiences that put people off, you
know, not put people off, or sort of upset people that they don't
necessarily then know how to fix it or put it right. Yeah, I
guess you can get attachments and things as well. If you're not capable,
well, I think if you start going in too heavy too soon, they
you know, I mean spirits. There's a lot of spirits that are just
the same as people. And if they think they can take advantage of you
and you know, use you for the for the best of their ability,
then they can do that. Mm hmm. I mean this is just the
thing, isn't it. I Mean the spirits are really just has passed over.
We're not all demons and some of the rusted others and all. But
yeah, I mean, I was going to mention about your show The Demon
Connections. So where did that title come from? Well, it was originally
called The Demon Files. And what happened was, you know, when we
were in lockdown, I was doing lots of reading and research, and I
was doing lots of reading on demons because I was I got a bit fed
up with reading the same old information, same old, same old. It's
the same old information that's been passed down for like four hundred years, and
it's still the same as you know, what the church is telling us and
what religion tells us, and we don't seem to have moved away from that,
and we just take it as gospel because the Church tells us that demons
are bad and evil, that we just take it as gospel and we just
go with it. And I've sort of got a bit fed up with that,
and I said to Neil, I was like, I'd quite like to
do a show on What started off was I was reading about a demon called
Astros, and I remember Astros from being in Bed Knobs and Broomsticks. To
remember that film. I know the title, I can't have seen it,
and it's about a witch that wants to get you know, get these spells
so she can help fight off the Germans off the South coast during the war
and likes. But I've sort of not really seen it, you know,
like Mary Poppins that sort of stuff, you know. And they go to
go to this island where all the cartoons because they need the Star of Astroof
in order to complete spells. And I'm thinking, astro that's that's off bed
knobs and broomsticks, and I'm thinking, how can such an evil demon be
on a Walt Disney film, a Walt Disney children's film, And you know,
it just didn't ring true to me. So I sort of started reading
more and more. You know. It's and this is where the conflict came
in that the Star of Astaroth, which was in like a child's Walt Disney
film, was then sort of from supposed to be an evil, demonic figure
that was also supposed to be involved in the possessions of the nuns in the
Devils of Blue Dun, you know. So he's supposed to have been quite
a nast evil character, and it just didn't ran true to me. So
I said to Neil, I'd like to do a program or I'd like to
start looking at demons, and we called it the Demon Files. But when
Neil wanted to take it to that bigger platform as such that we were talking
about earlier, we had to change the name to Demon Connections because somebody had
already done some television work. It was only a few series, but it
was called The Demon Files. Confusion. Yeah, So the idea with the
Demon Connections was that we would look at one demon out of we would look
at all seventy two demons in the less keer Solomon, and so there'd be
seventy twosodes and we would invite one of these demons in each time and try
and work with them. And so so far we've done about thirty demons over
the last two years. So it's been it's been very enlightening. Now,
I mean, it kind of leaves me some next question is do you actually
believe they are demons and evil spirits or definitely believe there's demons because they have
been working with us, But I don't believe. I don't believe it's like
what the Church tells us. I believe that they are ancient spirits. I
believe that they are come. You know, they do have knowledge and wisdom
that can help us me. Some of them are sort of demons of astrology.
Some demons make people fall in love with each other. You know,
how can that be a bad thing? But they've just been demonized by the
church over the over time and were led to believe that they're all nasty and
evil, and that's not been what I mean, And we haven't really come
across a bad one yet. And they all definitely have their own characters,
their own personalities. And I mean I do have a book and I write
down, I catalog what happened each time we've done the demon connections, and
hopefully we're going to get it all in a book so people can read our
findings. So do you think we've guided away from things like that? Look
like with you about all these secret societies and knowledge being cut off from us
and everything, you do you believe maybe that could be a case with this
then absolutely, I mean we are. There's so much knowledge that's kept from
us because you know, either by the Church or by governments or whatever,
because they just don't think we're ready for it. There's just so much information,
particularly about the past. You know, we've all heard about there as
flood and you know there was a period where there was civilizations before that flood,
and you know that things are just getting older and older and older,
and they can't explain it. You know, things some of these monuments and
cities, you know, gobeeklely Tepe is supposed to be not about thirteen thousand
years old. I agree, yeah, I go way back, so yeah,
further and we can measure yeah, I agree, yeah, and they're
supposed to be you know, information, there's supposed to be stuff that was
in Iraq. You know, all about stargates and things like that. You
know that all fascinates me. And even our own sites, you know,
our own churches. We were as Pagans that we had a lot of spiritual
sacred sites and the churches. They built a lot of churches on top of
these sacred sites and the portals. You know, a lot of the portals
are probably still there. And that's one of my things at the minute.
I do like going into churches to see if I could find the ancient portals
that used to be on the ground before they built the Churchy, yeah,
I don't know. You can get activity in churches with what dowsing rods and
things. Quite often you'll get a crossing over point and things like that,
if you've experienced that or tried that yourself. I was recently in Stratford and
I went in the church there, and I've seen William Shakespeare's grave, but
I also wanted to see if I could find a portal there and I did.
It was just sort of off to the right of the main It's on
the right of the main sort of going up to the main altar. And
that was quite fascinating because it was it wasn't a it wasn't what I was
expecting. I was expecting it to be just around or whatever, but it
wasn't. It was a completely different shape which which I could which I could
sort of step into, and that fascinated me. That's that's another thing that's
going on. I've got all these spinning plates at the minute. Yea,
too many questions and not enough time to find the answers. Yeah, I've
got a lot of books. Who've got shelves for the books that you never
get sold to read and things like that, and exactly what you mean and
places to go. I mean, also, you've just recently had pera met
I'll be to understand we're very successful with Neil. Yeah, I do love
the para me It's it's just such a relaxed, informal sort of gathering of
like minded people, and it was it was really good. This time.
We did it bigger and better than the year before. We used to hold
these parameats every week. Somebody had the idea to get people to sort of
meet up at the center, and not long after Neil opened and that was
what we did. So the last Saturday and every month we had a paramat
which was like an open day and lots of teams would come up and people
would make friends and share information about locations and equipment and all sorts of things
like that, and it was really nice to see everybody just coming together and
make new friends and just chatting. And that went on quite a well.
Then we had COVID and then we're after COVID. Neil just wanted rather than
doing it every week, we wanted to do just like one big annual event
and make it much bigger. So the first one last year was at Bosworth
Hall. That's why I was at that one, and that I think it
kind of developed from that, didn't it. Yeah, that was very successful.
That room was actually packed, wasn't it. Yeah, it was,
so we wanted to try somewhere different this time, so we found so we
went to Brown's overhaul and the building there is just absolutely amazing. It's just
such It's like an old Gothic building and yeah, it all come together and
it was just really really nice to just see so many people. The nice
thing about Brown's overhaul was everybody could just sort of stay on site if they
wanted. There's no car parking issues, there was no sort of access issues.
We weren't sharing the building with weddings and stuff like that. We just
have the whole building, you know. We had the whole site to ourselves
weekend and it was just really really good. So we are now looking at
because of the success of that, Neil now wants to do three events next
year, so Para Meet South, Paramiat Midlands and param Meat North. We're
just starting to plant it all now. So it's busy times. That sounds
great. I did explain to you. Unfortunately I couldn't make it because I
was actually a Romania at the time. When I was off in Romania the
weekend when you were doing that Parami. Otherwise i'd have been there. I
know you had such great so as Neil story. Yeah, he's a good
friend of mine. Yeah. There was I think about sixteen speakers over the
two days, so it was really good. Yeah, it was. It
was just to say, it was just such a laid back, nice sort
of No. No, every time you look around there's just people hugging or
chatting or just just smiling and having fun, and that's what it's all about.
I think. Oh yeah, I tend to find that remote with just
about everywhere I go for these events. Everyone's so friendly and everyone just cheached
each other like family, don't they. You know, yeah, for the
most part, suppose it was with absolutely everybody. But you know, yeah,
is it going to be sort of I mean the one that you had
just recently, Is it going to be sort of the same time every year
where you're your one? No. I think Neil is planning them through the
I think we've got one planned for April the South, then I think the
Midlands ones planned for beginning of July, and then we've got the North,
which will probably be around October time. Beginning of October I think be a
little bit later than now. For the one you've just had no Yeah,
that's what it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah, so it's everything. We're
just looking for locations at the moment. So it's quite exciting. So we
just want to make it even bigger and better than the last one. Well
yeah, I mean the one in the South sounds good because I'm down in
the south, so a kind of the South East kind of anyway. Yeah,
I'll tell you what. It's one little question i'd like to ask you.
I don't know if you can answer this. I've mentioned this on the
show quite a few times. When I was a young child, I was
probably in my cot I believe, and a purple miss came sworthing into the
room and swirling around the room, and it came right up to me in
schedule life out of me, and I'm shouting out and I don't know if
I was really quite talking at that time, but my father came in and
I'm looking at this purple miss swirling around, pointing to it, basically saying
can't you see it? And you know, maybe in baby language or maybe
I was talking, I don't know, but I remember it as saying can't
you see it? And he couldn't see it? And it kind of swirled
around and swelled right back out the door. Again, do you happen to
know what that was? Because I've asked a few people, they kind of
I get different kind of answers. Does the purple mean anything? Or well,
it's until when children are small. Up until the age of about seven,
they can they're very open minded. We've not yet influenced them to sort
of saying, you know, don't worry about it, ignore it, or
you know, it's all a load of rubbish or that sort of thing.
So up to about the age of seven, children are much more susceptible to
seeing spirit. They're very open minded. They've got no sort of shut down
mechanism to keep these things out because because I woantn't to know what goes to
her or anything like that. But spirits can mannersfest themselves in many ways,
and usually around young children. It's things that it's usually perhaps family or spirit
guides, or it's usually family, and they're the ones, you know,
perhaps grandparents, great grandparents. They're the ones that will be around sort of
guarding and overseeing sort of if you like that, the care and well being
of the youngsters, helping as much as they can from the spirit world side.
So usually, like I say, usually it's family, So it would
more likely be family, unless it was perhaps something to do with the building,
if it was something attached to the building itself, the house you lived
in. But how I work, once once I've connected, once I can
connect with that energy, I can then see it. So usually when we
go to places, because Nil and I go to quite a few people's houses
if they've got issues or problems, and once you know, you don't need
all night to do an investigation as such. You know, we're only perhaps
there an hour or hour and a half, and usually within that time I
can see what's there and we can sort of find a solution or sort out
the problem or or you know, find ways of working to help. And
usually it is family and friends. So I would I would, I would
like to say that is probably a purple mist. It's usually it's not hostile
or malice malicious. You know, purple is usually quite a spiritual color,
So I would probably say that it was perhaps family. Yeah, I mean,
I have to say you could be spot on there, because I never
knew my both my grandfathers, so they both died when I was very young,
so maybe that was one of my grandfathers. You're right, they could
be. And also the house we were living in, the lady downstairs who
we were say, her parents used to rent off of. She died around
about that time as well, so it could have been her every lastok around
the house. But yeah, I just wondered if there was any sort of
meaning to the purple that was kind of what's because it's always stayed in my
mind about this purple mist, you know. And I mentioned to my father
when I was sort of in my teens, do you remember that, because
I still remember. He said, yeah, I remember you saying that you
could see this purple miss floating about and it came right out to her face
and then I watched it swoll right around and go out the door and everything,
and it just always stayed with me, you know, as a memory.
I don't think it was a dream because it was just too vivid,
you know. Yeah, if you if you remember and you know you were
awake, then then it was real. And it's I mean, purple is
a very sort of soothing, calm and sort of spiritual color. Mm hmm.
So even though even even though it's terrified, Yeah, but maybe maybe
if you if there'd have been more time for it to sort of show you
that it wasn't aggressive or nasty and that it was there, you'd have felt
if there was more time, you would have felt the energy rather than seeing
the miss So you'd have felt the love and the warmth and the comfort if
it was if it was a family member, you'd have felt it as a
child rather than see it. Yeah, well, certainly left to memory anyway.
Yeah, well, it's been fantastic heavy the show. Thank you so
much for finding the time. It has been brilliant. Maybe we have to
do it again sometimes, yes, and find out find some more answers to
all these questions. Yeah, there's so many answers that I saw caught questions
and so it seems to come up with more questions and you do good answers
on. But say, it's been fantastic have you on the show, and
thank you for coming on. I look forward to seeting you and meeting you
again sometime. I think I actually saw you from a distance last time.
That was about a year ago, but I didn't really get a chance to
talk to you. But I did speak to Neil at that time and I
said I'd like to get you on the show. So that's over a year
ago now, so well, next time you call it the center, we'll
actually just have to sit down and have a catch up and have a chat
about all these theories and all these things, because that would be lovely.
I love listening to the people's experiences to come up and see the museum.
At some point we get a chance and we'll perhaps I'd have to have a
chat with Neil. Perhaps we can set something up and that'd be great.
All right, Jane, I let you go. Thank you us so much
again. I say, we'll do it again sometime. Thank you. Yeah,
we sure will. Thank you, good, thank you, thank you
yourself. Bye bye, bye bye. There we are, there is Jane
really thank you Jane. That's very good. Right. The next show is
going to be on Monday, the thirtieth of October, and that will be
Lorraine McCadam and we will be talking about phantoms in the night or are they
actually eat teas. Lorraine's had a lifelong experience with contact with the paranormal,
so that should be very interesting. In the meantime, if you'd like to
get in touch with me at any time, my email address is David Young
too q in at yahoo dot co dot UK as David Young too q in
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October the thirtieth, Monday with Lorraine McCadam, goodbye all and I'll speak to
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