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bet if you go inside, cooperate voluntarily.

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If you do, I give you
my word that you will not be

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harmed, but your mind's changed in
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We surely they must come in.
It's probably dangerous up there now.

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Parents shall have to let them in, open the door reckoning. M hmm.

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What's the idea of the life being
out down? You take a fine

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time for it. Hello, and
now that you're in, welcome to the

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show. My name's David Young.
Okay. Now, if you listen to

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the last show, I had Neil
Pecker on the show and we mentioned a

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lady named Jane Rowley. Well,
as it happens on this show, Jane

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Rowley is our guest and we may
be talking about demons as the show is

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called The Demon Connections, So I
won't they say more time. I'd like

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to introduce Jane really to the show. He Jane, Welcome to the show.

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Hi, David, Yeah, it's
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we finally managed to catch up for
a chat. Yes, it's been about

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time. As we have been saying
now, I have been trying to get

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to the other shows I've been saying
to you for a while. Now we

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finally got it together. So I
had Neil on the last show, and

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I would like to make it like
a double It's like a double epic if

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you like, with the pair of
you, because it's kind of like based

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on the halted antics and also the
new website, which is or the video

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website that I think you both run
it. Do you VPN? Are you

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talking about the GPN network? Yeah? Yes, yeah, And Neil's Neil

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sort of it's more sort of Neil's
baby. He's sort of be in control

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of all that and all the content
that goes on there, and I sort

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of help out where I can,
But we tend to do a lot of

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our own videos to sort of go
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out a lot with that. MM
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mention it there. I mean,
how did it kind of materialized that was

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decided to happen. It's like a
big video site basically people can put their

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videos on and yeah it's on it's
on Roku, so you need to watch

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it on Roku on the Telly you
need a stick. But I think now

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it's on YouTube as well. So
it came about. It came about really

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because Neil wanted we do a show
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to take it to a wider audience, and I know he approached sort of

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several channels to see if they were
interested, and we felt it might be

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a bit too controversial with it being
about demons, so they didn't. I

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don't think they were ready to sort
of take it up yet. So then

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Neil being Neil, decided to sort
of do it himself and so he launched

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He launched it all himself, and
it's been really successful because we don't it's

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one of those things where we have
ideas and we perhaps approach other people and

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if people don't like it all they
don't want to be involved, we just

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then tend to go off and do
it anyway. Yeah, it's the best

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way to do it, and it
really you've always got to do your own

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thing and not not kind of worry
too much about other people. If you

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don't want to be part of it. Then that's up to them. But

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there's the Ghost Planet Network we're talking
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I more what GPN meant. Yes, its Planet Network. Yes,

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And as I as I understand it, I mean, I've got my I

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bought my stick in the World back. But I haven't actually had a lot

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of time where we look at it
recently because of things of other things I've

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been doing. But it seems to
be growing steadily with all the differences.

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And that's one of the nice things
about it because you can just go on

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it and watch it whenever you want. You know, you can just go

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on and binge watch a load if
you want, if you've got a weekend

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for you know, you can sit
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for as long as you like.
And that's one of the nice things about

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it. And Neil's a great champion
of sort of the little guy, and

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this is how the paramet is sort
of evolved as well, and he always

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wants to give them, the little
guy a voice, and this was the

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same sort of thing. He wanted
to give the little guy a platform to

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sort of show their content because there's
a lot of good content out there.

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And people don't really get the opportunity
to sort of showcase what they do,

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and this was one of the things
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he then encouraged people to you know, provide their content and he puts it

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on the site and it's been really
good. Yeah, I think I've got

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to say that in a kind of
an amateur way, because you're not seeing

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in you're actually seeing life, ghost
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things are going to be less likely
to be fake or whatever rather than

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like or to be t show.
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great fans of sort of fakery and
no I'm not either deceit. So Neil

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is quite meticulous about the content.
Obviously it's his show, it's his reputation

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and stuff, so he does watch
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there, and if he feels it's
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on there. But most people who
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It's all genuine stuff and it's you
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hunt. And if you need a
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then that's where you can go to
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I mean it seems a bit pointless
told fakest up because it just the whole

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thing to disrepute in any way,
doesn't it. Yeah. Yeah, And

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it's not good for the rest of
the paranormal world, is it. You

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know, it's not good for the
field for people to do that. And

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you so lose your credibility, don't
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a few shows have suffered from then't
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when they've been trying to sort of
do the good things, it's you've only

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got to do one thing wrong and
people remember that. Yeah, that's right.

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You can. You can put your
heart and soul into something for years

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and years and years, and then
just one small mistake can just wipe that

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out because people don't remember the good
stuff there, remember the bad bits.

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Yeah. That's right. It stays
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anyone, I'm just out there.
The GPN network, the Ghost Planet

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Network is well hardly worth looking at
if you're into ghost hunting. You can

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have all day, all day long
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Yeah, And there's lots of different
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like I said, we do a
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some other shows that we do up
at the center on there, and then

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there's there's all the other team's contents
as well, and everybody does it slightly

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differently, so you know, it's
nice to see a bit of variety in

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the investigations. Yeah, yeah,
because you do actually show investigations at the

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NIX Halted NX Museum, is it? I got it that right. Yeah.

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Well, Neil's renamed it as a
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Paranormal Research Center, which incorporates the
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it the Haunted US. You have
to excuse me. I think it's been

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known for as that for such a
long time, isn't it. Yeah,

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I talked about the Haunted Museum.
Have you seen many well, have had

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many experiences there? Should I say
with halted items? Yes, I've had

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lots. I've been with Neil since
before or just before. Well, I've

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worked with Neil for many years,
for about twelve years now, and because

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Neil used to run in a venue
group and also an investigation group, and

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I was part of all those teams, and then he went and opened up

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the center, so I rejoined him
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and we've had some amazing stuff go
on there. It's I mean, the

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people say, oh, there's no
evidence to say the paranormal exists and stuff,

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but there is so much evidence out
there, and people just a lot

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of times just don't choose to sort
of acknowledge it as being real. But

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there's just so much thing. You
know, so many things have been captured

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on camera and on pictures, and
you know, some of it we just

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can't explain, and not many other
people can explain it either. But we've

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had lots and lots of really good
experiences up there. Hm, we get

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to discorde a few. Yes,
one of the incidents or incidents. One

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of the things, Yeah, I
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There's a big arch mirror there which
is like a big portal and one

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of the experiments that we wanted to
do. It was a sort of a

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Halloween experiment really, and the group
the team there was four of us,

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I think, and we were all
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at the time, and we were
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into the mirror. And the experiment
was we would all go into the mirror

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and then we would all sort of
come back, and then without talking to

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each other, we would actually draw
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see if any of it was similar
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me and Neil turned up, so
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the mirror and it was really quite
a phenomenal experience, really, and it's

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put so many questions. I've got
so many more questions now than before I

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went in, you know, and
it did really quite open my eyes really

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to a whole different sort of experience. That's interesting because I know you're on

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your actually medium yourself on't you.
Yeah. I'm the resident medium at the

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center, so I worked closely with
Neil and the team too, just to

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do as much as we can,
really, to find out as much as

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we can. But I've been doing
spiritual work for a long time before that.

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I was a member of the church, Spiritualist church. I did spiritual

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healing. I was a platform medium, so I did that. But I've

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been seeing and working with spirit right
from since I was a child. My

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earliest experience was when I was in
bed at night time. There was this

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thing that used to sort of come
out of the wardrobe. It was like

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a little I'm not quite short,
it was like a little sort of creature,

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but it was dressed in It was
dressed in sort of like a little

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patchwork sort of clothing, not a
suit really, but more of a I

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don't know. He just had this
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used to sit on the end of
my bed and pinch my feet and really

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make me cry. And I try
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and he used to do this.
He did this for a couple of years,

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and of course when I tried to
tell my parents, they just say,

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are you are dreaming? Ah,
it is your imagination, all that

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sort of thing. So I'd sort
of just had to sort of deal with

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it, really, and I used
to dread go into bed, and I

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used to try and block up this
cupboard as much as possible so he couldn't

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open the door and come out.
Well, yeah, it would be scarious.

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How old were you at that time, I'd probably be about one four

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or five. Yeah, I mean
that would be terrifying. It went on

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for a couple of years, but
even now, as a grown adult,

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I cannot sleep with any drawers or
cupboards open. Yeah, I mean I

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remember as a young teenager, I
used to go and sneak sneak off and

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see like X films, but I
shouldn't. They recalled XS back then.

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They turned it the like over eighteens
later on or sixteens or whatever it was.

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But I can remember coming home from
some of these old hammer films and

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things and sort of being frightened up
in the cupboard and things like that.

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You know, I watched horror movies. I just can't watch horror movies.

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Never, never watch I've never seen
them, you can't, right, No,

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I watched a couple when I was
about I think I was about seventeen.

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I've seen a couple of horror films
and I just couldn't watch them,

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and it's put me off life.
And now I never watched them. All

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right, that's quite an insuru.
I've got to ask you about that.

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No, there because a lot of
people get drawn into the parallel well after

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watching horror films. So with you, it's been kind of a reverse.

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Yeah, it's I don't do horror
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can put me with me torch,
you know, in the in the darkest

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room in the loneliest building. And
I'm perfectly fine, but I just can't

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do horror films. You know,
a lot of people will say, you

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know, have you have you seen
this? And have you seen that?

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And you know, I just I
just don't watch them. But for me

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it's quite good because it means that
I don't get influenced when I'm working with

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spirit. There's no influences there to
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judgment as such, right, because
I mean, I mean the horror films

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normally they take things to such an
extreme that they're usually unbelievable anyway, with

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a lot of it. But you
do get a lot of the psychological horror

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as well, where you don't actually
see what's what's sexual causing the problems,

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do you Yeah, I mean obviously
you don't know because you don't see them.

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So you see, I like to
try and if there's something out there

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that's or if we come across something
that's notarticularly nice or favor I like to

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try and work with it or try
and find out more about it. When

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the demon connections, we look in
the horror movies where you've got the nun,

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the evil non Ballack. Well,
Ballack is nothing like that. You

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know, the demon Ballack is actually
a little cherub with wings. And this

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is what this is another thing that
I don't like. The horror films sort

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of distort. Yeah, that's what
it was. That's kind of what I

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was saying. They do exaggerate things
and so they become quite unbelievable. Anyway.

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Ballack is really an evil nun.
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a little sweet cherub. That's interesting
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you see like the Iruagiable portrayed in
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tell to you a bit about demons later,

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you know, as we go along, But it brings out all sorts

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of demons and things in the films. And of course, really, as

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far as I know, I've used
a wisible quite a few times over the

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years, and I've never experienced anything
like you see in the films. No,

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I've used beageboards quite a bit.
My very first experience on the weedge

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board was quite an eye opener for
me, and it proved to me that

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really spirit can work through a weigeboard
and or a talking board as some people

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like to call them. And I
was only about fifteen at the time and

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I was doing it with my mum. It was just me and my mom

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on there. My mom actually made
the board. Whilst they made the board,

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she just cut out let us out
of a piece of paper put them

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around the table, right yeah,
and we just had a wineglass which was

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moving around and could strong. Story
short, my grandma and granddad were staying

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with us. They were sitting on
the setti, they weren't on the board,

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and we got this spirit come through
and it had got a message from

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my granddad. And it was basically
this man that come through to sort of

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confess to my granddad because when he
was a small boy, he came to

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play in my granddad's house with my
uncle. He was a friend of my

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uncle's who was a small boy at
the time as well. So my uncle

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had invited this lad around to play. My mum was younger than my uncle,

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so she was only about three or
four at the time, so she'd

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got no idea what was going on. And this boy had actually took a

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pocket watch off the mantlepiece and stole
it out of the house, and he'd

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come through to confess to my granddad
that he was the one that took the

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pocket watch off the mantel piece.
My uncle Peter passed away quite a few

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years ago, and there was only
me and my mum on the board.

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But we couldn't explain that. And
my granddad was bit of a skeptic.

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He didn't really believe much, but
he sort of turned, he turned a

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bit white, and he just really
didn't know what to say because until that

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point he never did know what happened
to that pocket watch because it went missing

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off the mantlepiece. Very strange and
did you actually know about that yourself?

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So no, I didn't know.
Well, I wasn't even born same.

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You know, my mum's in the
seventies now, but you know, this

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was probably about twenty years ago we
did it. My granddad was still alive

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then, but my moment would have
only been a little girl, about three

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or four. I think my uncle
Peter would have been probably about eight or

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nine, you know, and he
brought his boy around to play in their

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house, and yeah, this boy
stole this pocket watch off the mantlepiece and

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had come through to confess to my
granddad that it was him that took the

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pocket watch, And until we did
that weag board session, my granddad never

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did know what happened to that watch. Very strange, I mean, obviously

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there's quite a bit of evidence there, you know, for you not really

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being aware of it, and obviously
your granddad only being the only one that

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really knew anything about it, and
he was nowhere near the board. He

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was a skeptic. So yeah,
it was to me because that was my

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first ever sort of weedge board session. It proved to me that weigia boards

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can work, and that they can
be truthful. If your intention is sort

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of loyal and honest and open,
then you can get meaningful communication. Yeah,

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I mean, smilar thing happened to
me actually when we were seeing it.

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So when I was a teenager with
my friends and things, we did

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it a few times and my girlfriend
at the time and her friend and her

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boyfriend sort of decided to do the
wigiable one night, but he wasn't interested

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in doing it, so he said, well, you get on with it

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and dogs go sit in the corner, and we kind of got it all

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set up. Probably said, so
I'll tell you what let's let's try something.

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You write something on a piece of
paper and none of us know,

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and we'll see if we can find
out what you've written on this piece of

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paper. So off he went.
He sat in the corner, and he

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saw him right and away. Anyway, we asked the table to cut a

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long story short, as you said
before, and the tables and the glass

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of the wine glass started spelling out
g u N, so it spelled out

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gun. So we said, I
think his name was Vince. I think

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his name was Vince. And we
said, Vince, what what did you

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actually right over there? And he
went white as well. And what he

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did he actually hadn't written gun.
He actually draw a picture of one and

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he held it and he held it
up like that he sort of you know,

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we all went, we all looked
at each other, figure, wow,

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that's some evidence there, because there
was no way that or we could

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have seen what he'd written the talk. He was right in the corner,

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and that was you know, that
was kind of real evidence to us as

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well. You know, yeah,
yeah, when you get that, when

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you get that sort of eureka moment
and you know you know yourself that that's

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a genuine piece of communication. It
does shiver up the spine a bit,

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yeah, we did. We did
also notice several times when we used to

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do it, the room used to
go really cold as well. And also

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if we had a we wanted to
have a candle going for some reason.

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I don't really know why, if
it made it look weird or whatever,

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but is it in the dark with
a candle going. But often the flame

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would go right high and then right
down load. It's almost going out,

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and we could almost we could ask
the spirit to actually do that, and

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it would do that, you know, make the flame go right up high

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and go right down load. Obviously
I'm talking to the converted here. You

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already know all this stuff. I'm
just saying that I've experienced sort of things

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like that myself, you know,
yeah, yeah, And when it's genuine,

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you know, you feel it.
And this is one thing that people

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sort of don't quite get sometimes when
they're on an investigation, when it's real

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and when it's happening. You know, when it's genuine, you know,

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because the truth resonates at a certain
frequency. And when you feel that truth

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and you feel it, you know, you know it's real because you feel

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that sort of truth resonating around you. Yeah, and you do get the

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mischievous. I suppose they're mischievous spirits
as well. Like we had one come

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through once that told us he was
he was from Venus. It was a

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Venusian and maybe it was true.
I don't know, but but he was

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describing what it was like. It
was like a walking plant with fights and

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all that sort of thing, you
know, And we thought it was quite

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a music at the time. Whether
it was sort of a spirit playing around

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with us, I don't know.
We've we've had some of these sort of

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beings come up at the center and
we've been doing right when we've been doing

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the demon connections. You know,
some of them have said that they are

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from different planets, they are from
the stars, and you know, some

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of them always look that, they
don't all look human. Some of them

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have a different form. One of
them has a form of a star because

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that's the form he prefers, that's
the form he likes to manifest into.

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Right, was your own view?
I mean, well, we're just on

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that little bit of a subject.
What's your own view or life on another

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planet's I mean, I've definitely believe
that his life I definitely believe. I

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definitely believe. And we have actually
encountered someone at the center, you know,

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the Antique Center. We've got a
little I call him Spirit, but

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I'm not sure if he's really of
spirit such. It's more like looking through

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a window into a different dimension.
And we call him a little e T

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And he's like a little gray but
he's only like about two and a half

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feet tall. And the picture that
we sort of captured of him, he's

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got a bit it looks a bit
like a computer under his arm, and

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he's been up there for a while. And we've also had an experience where

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we were in the attic room and
there was a the room was sort of

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filled with an energy. But this
energy wasn't just a single sort of being.

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It was like a collective energy.
There was about twelve thirteen different beings

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in this collective energy, and they
were sort of astral sort of traveling.

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They were they were sort of traveling
just they were just sort of passing through.

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We've also had another one that was
sort of attached to a plate and

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he was he was like an astral
traveler and he was he was just sort

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of passing through as well. So
we've had, we've had a few sort

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of experiences with you know, things
from not necessarily say planets, but sort

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of other worlds, you know,
things that are not of this world.

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Yeah. Oh, I don't know
what your feason is on there. There's

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a lot of interdimensional stuff going on
as well. They're not, like you

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say, not necessary from other planets, but things that are as you as

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you know, things vibrate at different
planes, and there's a lot of going

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on outside of our realm with vision
if you like that, we can't see

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and I mean, I don't know
if you believe the same as me.

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I believe that things are probably all
happening at the same time, and there's

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no such thing as time, and
it's all kind of intermingled and you know,

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and that's why sometimes we can see
ghosts and things occasionally you would you

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think that's the truth. I believe
that this this, all this open space

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around us. I believe that's where
the spirit world is because it's moving energy

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all the time. We think there's
nothing there, but it's it's it's it's

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the this moving energy. And that's
where I believe all the spirit world is.

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And the veil between us and that
dimension is so thin, you know,

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and when we see a ghost or
an apparition, that's when they've just

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manifested through that that sort of veil. So and it doesn't matter where you

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are, you know, if you've
got if you say, you know,

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Aunt Mary comes through to see your
manifest or whatever in your home and she

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you know, she moves things or
whatever. You know, you know that

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energy is there. But if you
went on holiday to say, to America,

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she would still be very close to
you, you know, she wouldn't

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have to travel to America to sort
of to show her presence next to you.

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Yeah, she has anything on the
plane with you, you can Yeah,

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she doesn't have to get on the
plane and fly there, you know,

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to be with you. It's they
can be with you wherever. Yeah,

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it's the same spirit guides you know
where. They will be with you

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as well wherever you go. Mm
hmm. Yeah. Sometimes it's quite difficult

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to get your head around some of
that. I mean, of Chiven,

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I try to drive you so mad
with it sometimes, trying to think about

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not that the universe going on and
on and on and on and things like

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that, and obviously things I mean, obviously if that if the universe has

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go on, like there's there's countless
world's out there and they've all got their

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own spirit world. Are they all
together or or else separate or you know,

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it's it's something that kind of bothers
me sometimes. Yeah, And it's

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it's the thing with time, isn't
it. You know, in some cortures,

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they believe that there's only the present. You know, there isn't a

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past or a future, there's only
the present. And we do actually only

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we are only ever in the present. So that's then when the past,

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you know, the past becomes your
presence at the time you were in the

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present, when you're pastor was happening. Yeah, honestly, it's it's sutually

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a when I started actually to think
about the holographic universe as well, now

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where things are sort of like a
because nothing solid and everything is kind of

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like a hologram, you know.
Yeah, I agree with that, because

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we are we are holograms ourselves.
If you take one cell from our body,

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you know, all the information from
our body is in that one cell,

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So we are a bit like a
hologram ourselves. And it's kind of

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also to me that leads to that
also gives you evidence that we don't actually

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die because our bodies may sort of
disintegrate, but we've got a life force

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within us that carries on. Yeah, and I believe that we you know,

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we all have past lives, we
all have purpose to be here.

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And yeah, once once this physical
body dies, we just go, we

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go back to the spirit world.
And I've got you know, I recently

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had a very interesting experience with my
sister and you know, this is I

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should be writing all about this in
my my next article in the Haunted magazine.

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And it's really about because she passed
away in March. And yeah,

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she was only forty nine. She
had pancreatic cancer. They only gather three

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months to live. That's awful.
Yeah, so young, isn't it.

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Yeah, try to hear that.
Yeah. Yeah, but she said to

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me, you know, when I
was up there sitting with it, she

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said to me that anything you can
learn from my death to share with other

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people, then do as much as
you can, you know. And that's

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that's what I did. I sat
with her, you know, until she

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passed, and my mum was there
as well, and my daughter and a

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son. She had two boys that
she's left behind. And you know,

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for me, the experience was quite
although it was emotional, but it was

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very enlightening. And you know,
it's not the first time I've been countered

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death. I've been around quite a
few people who have passed away, but

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this time was really an opportunity and
it was with her blessing that she you

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know, she let me learn and
do as much as I could on the

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spiritual side. Mm hmm. I
mean, did you have you been in

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contact with us since she's passed over. Yes, yes, she's she's been

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seeing a few times, so she's
okay, she's all right, that's that's

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good. Yeah, I know where
to sort of go with that one.

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But so, yeah, I understand
what you're saying. Well, at least

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you know now that she's not suffering, and I think that's kind of the

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most important thing you can take it
out of there, isn't it. Yeah,

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Yeah, yeah, it is.
But it's it was a it's a

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sad case, but you know,
at the end of the day, it

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comes to all of us, and
I think we don't always get the opportunity,

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particularly on a spiritual level, to
work with people as they're passing.

408
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,720
And one of the things that sort
of not annoyed me a little bit,

409
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:23,319
but because because she was because the
hospice was full, she had to go

410
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,759
in a care home, which I
didn't really feel was appropriate because she'd have

411
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880
got a lot of dementia patients around
her, and there was a lot of

412
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:37,640
wailing and screaming, and it wasn't
particularly peaceful, calm sort of death.

413
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,720
You know. There was a lot
of noise going on, and you know,

414
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,440
even after she'd passed, I still
felt she was there for a while.

415
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,799
And one of the nurses just walked
straight in, grabbed the sheet and

416
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,039
just covered her over and I just
felt that was just so she's not quite

417
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,799
gone yet. And I said to
her, you know, we don't don't

418
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,720
want to cover her up yet,
and she sort of said, well,

419
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,759
she's gone. I said, well, yes, I know she is,

420
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:07,480
but she's not gone entirely. She's
not. She's still she's still here.

421
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:13,920
So if we didn't cover up yet, because it just seemed inappropriate because she

422
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,240
was still there. Mm hmm.
Yeah. I think some medical people,

423
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,640
I think they just treat us as
a piece of meat, don't they really

424
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,799
And she said, oh, I've
never really thought of it. On the

425
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,920
spiritual side. She says, we
just cover them up as soon as they've

426
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,599
gone. Well, yeah, it's
it's you know, I imagine in places

427
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,440
like that they probably do with the
old people, that as they pass on,

428
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,440
they just sort of cover them up
and leave them. Yeah, and

429
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:46,240
it wasn't you know, it just
some places are better than others. I

430
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:52,960
definitely felt family around her that had
come to collect her. M nice and

431
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,079
yeah, there was there was quite
an interesting you know people say about the

432
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,839
white light. I could feel them, h I could feel the white light

433
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:07,119
sort of next to me, as
in like a swirling sort of white light.

434
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,119
But what I could see it was
like a portal in fact, to

435
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,759
the spirit world m hm. So
once she she was trying to get to

436
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:21,480
this all all sort of she was
trying to get to the to the light

437
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:28,359
sort of all day the day before
she passed, because she passed about eight

438
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,680
o'clock in the morning the following day. But after she'd gone, it took

439
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,240
a while for that sort of white
portal, if you like, that light

440
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:44,680
to sort of diminish, m and
close. So it was fascinating from that

441
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:50,759
point of view. Was there something
that reinforced your belief or was you were

442
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,359
you. So, I mean,
I'm not might be sort of staying it

443
00:33:53,359 --> 00:34:00,119
wrongly here, but was it something
that you already knew was happening? Was

444
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,119
it something that actually reinforced your belief
in the life. Do you think it

445
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,320
definitely reinforced it, because yeah,
because I could feel the family. I

446
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,400
knew who the family were around us
because I could see them, and I

447
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,800
could also this this portal, this
lightwey was very important. I actually sat

448
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,880
next to it. I think that's
one of the very important things. But

449
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,239
without being there sort of at that
time, those sort of precious you know,

450
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:37,440
the day before up the day before
and when she actually passed, that

451
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,480
was really quite important to be there, to connect with it all and to

452
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:46,800
see it all. However, was
she a big believer or selfie the author

453
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,320
for Yeah, she was, Yeah, she was, definitely she was.

454
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:57,119
She was a white witch and very
spiritual. But as I was, you

455
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,159
know, as as they declined more
and more, they just tend to pump

456
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,480
up more and more full of morphine. So that, I mean, I

457
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,599
knew that she was still connected to
the spirit world, but she wasn't necessarily

458
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:17,000
connected to us, right, Yeah, I'm going to try and put all

459
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,280
this down in writing. Yeah,
it's very sad, but also it's also

460
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,199
very uplifting really at the same time, isn't it knowing that someone's passed over

461
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,079
and they've come back and everything.
Yes, But later on that day,

462
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:35,800
because one of her younger son didn't
want to go to the hospice and see

463
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,320
her. He just wanted to remember
as she was because obviously I'm in pancreatic

464
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:45,119
cancer. She lost a lot of
weight and she was almost like Skelington by

465
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,679
the time she passed. But her
older son he was there. But when

466
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,280
we went back to the house later
on in the day after she'd passed,

467
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:58,119
I could feel her in the house. She'd come to just sort of check

468
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:06,800
upon her youngest boy. M hm. When you mentioned reincarnation earlier, do

469
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,639
you know of any part words of
your own? Oh, yes, I

470
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,039
have done. I have done one
session, and I believe it's my earliest

471
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:22,920
life. And I was I was. As I look down, I can

472
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,119
see sort of like I've got sort
of olive skin as such, in a

473
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:30,119
Mediterranean type of skin, and I've
got sort of cuffs on my ankles,

474
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:37,559
not not not metal or anything like
that. It's just like a fabric leather

475
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,119
type sort of cuffs on my ancause
and I'm barefooted, and in front of

476
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,519
me there's a big temple, but
it's got like a snake's sort of face

477
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:53,719
on the front and in that temple. Although I was classed as a priestess,

478
00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:00,239
it was just another name for really
a human worker, if you like,

479
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:05,440
because there was another man that worked
with me. His name was Causer.

480
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:09,760
I think there was another man that
worked with me. And although I

481
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,320
was classed as a priestess, I
was the person that sort of fetched water

482
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,400
and food and did the cleaning and
that sort of thing. It wasn't a

483
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:25,880
particularly glamorous job. But the people, I say people reptilians. I think

484
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,480
there were the reptilians in there were
they'd sort of got the big sort of

485
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:35,199
robes on with the you know,
it was a like a reptilian face that's

486
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,079
on the front of the temple.
And that's that's sort of my earliest life.

487
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,639
But when I came back from that
life and I came back into the

488
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,960
room, what I could see was
a nineteen thirties dresser and it had got

489
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:57,440
my hat on there. I instantly
recognized my nineteen thirties hat and my bag

490
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,719
and I wanted to get those and
go often and see what was in my

491
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:08,000
next life. But the session ended
then, So you'll go back to the

492
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,079
aliens again. That you mentioned the
Reptilian. So do you believe in the

493
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,679
Reptilian race? I do from this
previous life. Yeah, because I've done

494
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:23,800
drawings of it as well, and
it's it's one of those things where you

495
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,079
can't explain how you know or where
you get this information from. But the

496
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,360
belief there for me was very strong, because I do believe I was there

497
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:38,039
and doing this job in this temple. Very interesting. I mean, the

498
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:42,360
reptilian has come up quite often on
this show, and well many people have

499
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,440
spoken to have seen them, and
we're supposed to be control board a rectilian

500
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:52,760
race in the fourth dimension, I
believe. What's your feelings on that?

501
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,760
Do you? I mean, do
you ever get any I mean, being

502
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,199
a medium like you are, do
you ever see anything like that in your

503
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:06,119
troubles? If you like, how
do you mean sort of reptilian? Do

504
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,599
you ever? Yeah? Can you
actually envisage? Maybe that's not the wrong

505
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,519
word as well? Do you ever
do you ever sense them? That's what

506
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:16,239
I mean. Well, sometimes if
I'm standing next to somebody who's got a

507
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,159
bit of a weird energy. I
don't sort of read too much into it.

508
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,880
I just move away from it sometimes
people. You know, if you're

509
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,599
standing next to somebody in a queue
in the shop or something like that,

510
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,320
you you know, somebody's got a
bit of a weird energy and it doesn't

511
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:38,320
quite feel right. I do tend
to move away from them, but I

512
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:46,199
wouldn't necessarily say I've seen, you
know, some sort of reptile type person

513
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,519
out in the streets. It's more
their energy. It's the energy that you

514
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:55,519
sort of pick up. It's interesting
because they are supposed to have quite a

515
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,760
nasty energy from what I've heard,
and people have exp Yeah, so it's

516
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,480
vibration and they kind of feed off
of our fear type of thing. Is

517
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,960
the top of thing I've heard.
Yeah, I mean I haven't. I

518
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,159
haven't looked too much into it.
But you just know, when you're sort

519
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,000
of out, say, when you're
out and about, if something feels stood

520
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,280
weird or not right with somebody,
I do just tend to move away.

521
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,360
I don't tend to spend too much
time on it. Yeah. Yeah,

522
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,480
the senses, I mean, do
you do you actually see auras as well.

523
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,719
I sometimes see like silver shadows with
people. I also see sort of

524
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,639
black shadows and things like that when
I'm just out and about. But it's

525
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,960
when I that's when I'm sort of
switched off and not on duty, if

526
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,599
you like. But when I sort
of switch it, switch it on,

527
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,840
and I then connect with the spirit
world. I do then tend to see

528
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,440
it a lot more. You can't
have it running twenty four to seven.

529
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,199
It's not good for you. I
was going to ask you that, can

530
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,159
can you actually switch it on and
off as if you you know, because

531
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:05,639
otherwise, if you were seeing it
all the time, you wouldn't know if

532
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:10,519
you were seeing real people or well, it's more, I say, it

533
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,760
is more energy as such that you
pick up. But I don't know.

534
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,840
I don't I am in complete sort
of control in what I do. And

535
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,880
you see so many people that haven't
sort of feel like, gone through training

536
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,800
or done any anything to sort of
help themselves on the journey. And yet

537
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,079
they're wondering, my spirit's coming in
all the time and they don't understand it,

538
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:36,320
and there's no control there, and
you know, they can't sleep at

539
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,199
night because all this. You know, my space is my space and they

540
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,400
know that. You know, when
I go to bed and my bedroom is

541
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,360
my space, it's where I rest, it's where I and you know,

542
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,239
unless there's unless there's something that they
feel I should really know, then you

543
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,400
know, I don't have them,
don't I'm not sort of switched on all

544
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,519
the time. And if I'm with
grandkids, I'm not sort of switch you

545
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,760
know. It's that sort of thing, right, I mean, do you

546
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:14,280
know of any other mediums or clearvarians
who have trouble switching off? Or can

547
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,880
most mediums and clearvoes do that?
No, they can't. Well, you

548
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,760
see, I've sat in Circle quite
a few years. I sat in Circle

549
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:29,079
for like five years do meditation and
learning and training and everything else to learn

550
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,400
how to do all that. And
I feel that gave me a really good

551
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,079
ground. It give me a lot
of training for the platform mediumship and that

552
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,320
sort of thing. But I have
known people in the past that have sort

553
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,559
of caught the center and done a
They've done a bit of an investigation and

554
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,840
then you know, like they come
back about two months later and said,

555
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,880
well, wow, I'm a full
blow medium. You know, they've done

556
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,119
a couple of things. You know, they've had a couple of experiences on

557
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,800
investigations and then all of a sudden
they're a medium, which find if that's

558
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,159
how you want to do it.
But then, you know, sometimes people

559
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:08,119
can get into trouble with sort of
psychic attacks, or they get themselves into

560
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:12,599
situations that where they don't know how
to sort of handle it, or you

561
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,800
know, they can't sleep at night, or the field that somebody's following them,

562
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,000
or you know, there's so many
experiences that put people off, you

563
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,840
know, not put people off,
or sort of upset people that they don't

564
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,559
necessarily then know how to fix it
or put it right. Yeah, I

565
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:30,360
guess you can get attachments and things
as well. If you're not capable,

566
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,320
well, I think if you start
going in too heavy too soon, they

567
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,559
you know, I mean spirits.
There's a lot of spirits that are just

568
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,960
the same as people. And if
they think they can take advantage of you

569
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,599
and you know, use you for
the for the best of their ability,

570
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:52,719
then they can do that. Mm
hmm. I mean this is just the

571
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,159
thing, isn't it. I Mean
the spirits are really just has passed over.

572
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,239
We're not all demons and some of
the rusted others and all. But

573
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,599
yeah, I mean, I was
going to mention about your show The Demon

574
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:10,599
Connections. So where did that title
come from? Well, it was originally

575
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:15,599
called The Demon Files. And what
happened was, you know, when we

576
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:20,079
were in lockdown, I was doing
lots of reading and research, and I

577
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,440
was doing lots of reading on demons
because I was I got a bit fed

578
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:30,280
up with reading the same old information, same old, same old. It's

579
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,800
the same old information that's been passed
down for like four hundred years, and

580
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,199
it's still the same as you know, what the church is telling us and

581
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,559
what religion tells us, and we
don't seem to have moved away from that,

582
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,719
and we just take it as gospel
because the Church tells us that demons

583
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,840
are bad and evil, that we
just take it as gospel and we just

584
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,039
go with it. And I've sort
of got a bit fed up with that,

585
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,280
and I said to Neil, I
was like, I'd quite like to

586
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,199
do a show on What started off
was I was reading about a demon called

587
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,599
Astros, and I remember Astros from
being in Bed Knobs and Broomsticks. To

588
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,360
remember that film. I know the
title, I can't have seen it,

589
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,199
and it's about a witch that wants
to get you know, get these spells

590
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:22,039
so she can help fight off the
Germans off the South coast during the war

591
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:29,039
and likes. But I've sort of
not really seen it, you know,

592
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,079
like Mary Poppins that sort of stuff, you know. And they go to

593
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,360
go to this island where all the
cartoons because they need the Star of Astroof

594
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:43,719
in order to complete spells. And
I'm thinking, astro that's that's off bed

595
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,280
knobs and broomsticks, and I'm thinking, how can such an evil demon be

596
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:53,159
on a Walt Disney film, a
Walt Disney children's film, And you know,

597
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,719
it just didn't ring true to me. So I sort of started reading

598
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,360
more and more. You know.
It's and this is where the conflict came

599
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,159
in that the Star of Astaroth,
which was in like a child's Walt Disney

600
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:10,119
film, was then sort of from
supposed to be an evil, demonic figure

601
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,440
that was also supposed to be involved
in the possessions of the nuns in the

602
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,320
Devils of Blue Dun, you know. So he's supposed to have been quite

603
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,199
a nast evil character, and it
just didn't ran true to me. So

604
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,599
I said to Neil, I'd like
to do a program or I'd like to

605
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,559
start looking at demons, and we
called it the Demon Files. But when

606
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:36,039
Neil wanted to take it to that
bigger platform as such that we were talking

607
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,159
about earlier, we had to change
the name to Demon Connections because somebody had

608
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:43,199
already done some television work. It
was only a few series, but it

609
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,480
was called The Demon Files. Confusion. Yeah, So the idea with the

610
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,480
Demon Connections was that we would look
at one demon out of we would look

611
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,679
at all seventy two demons in the
less keer Solomon, and so there'd be

612
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:04,800
seventy twosodes and we would invite one
of these demons in each time and try

613
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,480
and work with them. And so
so far we've done about thirty demons over

614
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,800
the last two years. So it's
been it's been very enlightening. Now,

615
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,480
I mean, it kind of leaves
me some next question is do you actually

616
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:30,440
believe they are demons and evil spirits
or definitely believe there's demons because they have

617
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:35,480
been working with us, But I
don't believe. I don't believe it's like

618
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,840
what the Church tells us. I
believe that they are ancient spirits. I

619
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,840
believe that they are come. You
know, they do have knowledge and wisdom

620
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,280
that can help us me. Some
of them are sort of demons of astrology.

621
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,440
Some demons make people fall in love
with each other. You know,

622
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:57,840
how can that be a bad thing? But they've just been demonized by the

623
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,360
church over the over time and were
led to believe that they're all nasty and

624
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,360
evil, and that's not been what
I mean, And we haven't really come

625
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:14,840
across a bad one yet. And
they all definitely have their own characters,

626
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,880
their own personalities. And I mean
I do have a book and I write

627
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,159
down, I catalog what happened each
time we've done the demon connections, and

628
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,679
hopefully we're going to get it all
in a book so people can read our

629
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,199
findings. So do you think we've
guided away from things like that? Look

630
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,440
like with you about all these secret
societies and knowledge being cut off from us

631
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,320
and everything, you do you believe
maybe that could be a case with this

632
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,920
then absolutely, I mean we are. There's so much knowledge that's kept from

633
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:53,920
us because you know, either by
the Church or by governments or whatever,

634
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,360
because they just don't think we're ready
for it. There's just so much information,

635
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,119
particularly about the past. You know, we've all heard about there as

636
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:10,280
flood and you know there was a
period where there was civilizations before that flood,

637
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,239
and you know that things are just
getting older and older and older,

638
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,559
and they can't explain it. You
know, things some of these monuments and

639
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,719
cities, you know, gobeeklely Tepe
is supposed to be not about thirteen thousand

640
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,880
years old. I agree, yeah, I go way back, so yeah,

641
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,719
further and we can measure yeah,
I agree, yeah, and they're

642
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,920
supposed to be you know, information, there's supposed to be stuff that was

643
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,760
in Iraq. You know, all
about stargates and things like that. You

644
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,840
know that all fascinates me. And
even our own sites, you know,

645
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:52,800
our own churches. We were as
Pagans that we had a lot of spiritual

646
00:49:52,519 --> 00:50:00,000
sacred sites and the churches. They
built a lot of churches on top of

647
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:08,239
these sacred sites and the portals.
You know, a lot of the portals

648
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,079
are probably still there. And that's
one of my things at the minute.

649
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,760
I do like going into churches to
see if I could find the ancient portals

650
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,360
that used to be on the ground
before they built the Churchy, yeah,

651
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,159
I don't know. You can get
activity in churches with what dowsing rods and

652
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:29,400
things. Quite often you'll get a
crossing over point and things like that,

653
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,239
if you've experienced that or tried that
yourself. I was recently in Stratford and

654
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,199
I went in the church there,
and I've seen William Shakespeare's grave, but

655
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,079
I also wanted to see if I
could find a portal there and I did.

656
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:45,199
It was just sort of off to
the right of the main It's on

657
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,920
the right of the main sort of
going up to the main altar. And

658
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,800
that was quite fascinating because it was
it wasn't a it wasn't what I was

659
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:01,360
expecting. I was expecting it to
be just around or whatever, but it

660
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:07,199
wasn't. It was a completely different
shape which which I could which I could

661
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,920
sort of step into, and that
fascinated me. That's that's another thing that's

662
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:20,280
going on. I've got all these
spinning plates at the minute. Yea,

663
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,039
too many questions and not enough time
to find the answers. Yeah, I've

664
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:27,599
got a lot of books. Who've
got shelves for the books that you never

665
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:31,239
get sold to read and things like
that, and exactly what you mean and

666
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,719
places to go. I mean,
also, you've just recently had pera met

667
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,440
I'll be to understand we're very successful
with Neil. Yeah, I do love

668
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:49,199
the para me It's it's just such
a relaxed, informal sort of gathering of

669
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,360
like minded people, and it was
it was really good. This time.

670
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,239
We did it bigger and better than
the year before. We used to hold

671
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,440
these parameats every week. Somebody had
the idea to get people to sort of

672
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:09,960
meet up at the center, and
not long after Neil opened and that was

673
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,119
what we did. So the last
Saturday and every month we had a paramat

674
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:19,039
which was like an open day and
lots of teams would come up and people

675
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:23,440
would make friends and share information about
locations and equipment and all sorts of things

676
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:28,719
like that, and it was really
nice to see everybody just coming together and

677
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,199
make new friends and just chatting.
And that went on quite a well.

678
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,400
Then we had COVID and then we're
after COVID. Neil just wanted rather than

679
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,719
doing it every week, we wanted
to do just like one big annual event

680
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,719
and make it much bigger. So
the first one last year was at Bosworth

681
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,800
Hall. That's why I was at
that one, and that I think it

682
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,159
kind of developed from that, didn't
it. Yeah, that was very successful.

683
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:54,599
That room was actually packed, wasn't
it. Yeah, it was,

684
00:52:55,079 --> 00:53:00,079
so we wanted to try somewhere different
this time, so we found so we

685
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:05,400
went to Brown's overhaul and the building
there is just absolutely amazing. It's just

686
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:12,199
such It's like an old Gothic building
and yeah, it all come together and

687
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,559
it was just really really nice to
just see so many people. The nice

688
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,360
thing about Brown's overhaul was everybody could
just sort of stay on site if they

689
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,000
wanted. There's no car parking issues, there was no sort of access issues.

690
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:28,440
We weren't sharing the building with weddings
and stuff like that. We just

691
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,840
have the whole building, you know. We had the whole site to ourselves

692
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,519
weekend and it was just really really
good. So we are now looking at

693
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:42,280
because of the success of that,
Neil now wants to do three events next

694
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,920
year, so Para Meet South,
Paramiat Midlands and param Meat North. We're

695
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,159
just starting to plant it all now. So it's busy times. That sounds

696
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,599
great. I did explain to you. Unfortunately I couldn't make it because I

697
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:59,880
was actually a Romania at the time. When I was off in Romania the

698
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,760
weekend when you were doing that Parami. Otherwise i'd have been there. I

699
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,800
know you had such great so as
Neil story. Yeah, he's a good

700
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,719
friend of mine. Yeah. There
was I think about sixteen speakers over the

701
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:16,480
two days, so it was really
good. Yeah, it was. It

702
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:20,719
was just to say, it was
just such a laid back, nice sort

703
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,840
of No. No, every time
you look around there's just people hugging or

704
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,480
chatting or just just smiling and having
fun, and that's what it's all about.

705
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:31,159
I think. Oh yeah, I
tend to find that remote with just

706
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:36,920
about everywhere I go for these events. Everyone's so friendly and everyone just cheached

707
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000
each other like family, don't they. You know, yeah, for the

708
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:46,079
most part, suppose it was with
absolutely everybody. But you know, yeah,

709
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,599
is it going to be sort of
I mean the one that you had

710
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:52,960
just recently, Is it going to
be sort of the same time every year

711
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:59,920
where you're your one? No.
I think Neil is planning them through the

712
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,639
I think we've got one planned for
April the South, then I think the

713
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:08,239
Midlands ones planned for beginning of July, and then we've got the North,

714
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:14,320
which will probably be around October time. Beginning of October I think be a

715
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,760
little bit later than now. For
the one you've just had no Yeah,

716
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:22,679
that's what it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah, so it's everything. We're

717
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:28,320
just looking for locations at the moment. So it's quite exciting. So we

718
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,000
just want to make it even bigger
and better than the last one. Well

719
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:34,440
yeah, I mean the one in
the South sounds good because I'm down in

720
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:40,159
the south, so a kind of
the South East kind of anyway. Yeah,

721
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,119
I'll tell you what. It's one
little question i'd like to ask you.

722
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,679
I don't know if you can answer
this. I've mentioned this on the

723
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,400
show quite a few times. When
I was a young child, I was

724
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:59,760
probably in my cot I believe,
and a purple miss came sworthing into the

725
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,599
room and swirling around the room,
and it came right up to me in

726
00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:07,360
schedule life out of me, and
I'm shouting out and I don't know if

727
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,000
I was really quite talking at that
time, but my father came in and

728
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:15,239
I'm looking at this purple miss swirling
around, pointing to it, basically saying

729
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,760
can't you see it? And you
know, maybe in baby language or maybe

730
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,159
I was talking, I don't know, but I remember it as saying can't

731
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,679
you see it? And he couldn't
see it? And it kind of swirled

732
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:30,920
around and swelled right back out the
door. Again, do you happen to

733
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,000
know what that was? Because I've
asked a few people, they kind of

734
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,000
I get different kind of answers.
Does the purple mean anything? Or well,

735
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:45,800
it's until when children are small.
Up until the age of about seven,

736
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,039
they can they're very open minded.
We've not yet influenced them to sort

737
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:57,360
of saying, you know, don't
worry about it, ignore it, or

738
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,880
you know, it's all a load
of rubbish or that sort of thing.

739
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,719
So up to about the age of
seven, children are much more susceptible to

740
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,800
seeing spirit. They're very open minded. They've got no sort of shut down

741
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:13,800
mechanism to keep these things out because
because I woantn't to know what goes to

742
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:20,880
her or anything like that. But
spirits can mannersfest themselves in many ways,

743
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:28,400
and usually around young children. It's
things that it's usually perhaps family or spirit

744
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,920
guides, or it's usually family,
and they're the ones, you know,

745
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,719
perhaps grandparents, great grandparents. They're
the ones that will be around sort of

746
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:44,360
guarding and overseeing sort of if you
like that, the care and well being

747
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,480
of the youngsters, helping as much
as they can from the spirit world side.

748
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,280
So usually, like I say,
usually it's family, So it would

749
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:59,920
more likely be family, unless it
was perhaps something to do with the building,

750
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,199
if it was something attached to the
building itself, the house you lived

751
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:07,880
in. But how I work,
once once I've connected, once I can

752
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:13,719
connect with that energy, I can
then see it. So usually when we

753
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,440
go to places, because Nil and
I go to quite a few people's houses

754
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,639
if they've got issues or problems,
and once you know, you don't need

755
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,000
all night to do an investigation as
such. You know, we're only perhaps

756
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:28,719
there an hour or hour and a
half, and usually within that time I

757
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,639
can see what's there and we can
sort of find a solution or sort out

758
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:37,079
the problem or or you know,
find ways of working to help. And

759
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,559
usually it is family and friends.
So I would I would, I would

760
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:47,159
like to say that is probably a
purple mist. It's usually it's not hostile

761
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:53,679
or malice malicious. You know,
purple is usually quite a spiritual color,

762
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:59,920
So I would probably say that it
was perhaps family. Yeah, I mean,

763
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,119
I have to say you could be
spot on there, because I never

764
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:07,280
knew my both my grandfathers, so
they both died when I was very young,

765
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,559
so maybe that was one of my
grandfathers. You're right, they could

766
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:15,440
be. And also the house we
were living in, the lady downstairs who

767
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:19,840
we were say, her parents used
to rent off of. She died around

768
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,079
about that time as well, so
it could have been her every lastok around

769
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:25,639
the house. But yeah, I
just wondered if there was any sort of

770
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:30,320
meaning to the purple that was kind
of what's because it's always stayed in my

771
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,719
mind about this purple mist, you
know. And I mentioned to my father

772
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,280
when I was sort of in my
teens, do you remember that, because

773
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,039
I still remember. He said,
yeah, I remember you saying that you

774
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:45,440
could see this purple miss floating about
and it came right out to her face

775
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,079
and then I watched it swoll right
around and go out the door and everything,

776
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,760
and it just always stayed with me, you know, as a memory.

777
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,000
I don't think it was a dream
because it was just too vivid,

778
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,960
you know. Yeah, if you
if you remember and you know you were

779
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,519
awake, then then it was real. And it's I mean, purple is

780
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:14,760
a very sort of soothing, calm
and sort of spiritual color. Mm hmm.

781
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:22,280
So even though even even though it's
terrified, Yeah, but maybe maybe

782
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:27,559
if you if there'd have been more
time for it to sort of show you

783
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,840
that it wasn't aggressive or nasty and
that it was there, you'd have felt

784
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:37,239
if there was more time, you
would have felt the energy rather than seeing

785
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:42,320
the miss So you'd have felt the
love and the warmth and the comfort if

786
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,559
it was if it was a family
member, you'd have felt it as a

787
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:51,440
child rather than see it. Yeah, well, certainly left to memory anyway.

788
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:57,159
Yeah, well, it's been fantastic
heavy the show. Thank you so

789
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,639
much for finding the time. It
has been brilliant. Maybe we have to

790
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:05,599
do it again sometimes, yes,
and find out find some more answers to

791
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,199
all these questions. Yeah, there's
so many answers that I saw caught questions

792
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:12,400
and so it seems to come up
with more questions and you do good answers

793
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,960
on. But say, it's been
fantastic have you on the show, and

794
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,719
thank you for coming on. I
look forward to seeting you and meeting you

795
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,199
again sometime. I think I actually
saw you from a distance last time.

796
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,280
That was about a year ago,
but I didn't really get a chance to

797
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,840
talk to you. But I did
speak to Neil at that time and I

798
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,119
said I'd like to get you on
the show. So that's over a year

799
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:37,400
ago now, so well, next
time you call it the center, we'll

800
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,880
actually just have to sit down and
have a catch up and have a chat

801
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,320
about all these theories and all these
things, because that would be lovely.

802
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:49,920
I love listening to the people's experiences
to come up and see the museum.

803
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,159
At some point we get a chance
and we'll perhaps I'd have to have a

804
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:57,320
chat with Neil. Perhaps we can
set something up and that'd be great.

805
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,559
All right, Jane, I let
you go. Thank you us so much

806
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:05,159
again. I say, we'll do
it again sometime. Thank you. Yeah,

807
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,599
we sure will. Thank you,
good, thank you, thank you

808
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,719
yourself. Bye bye, bye bye. There we are, there is Jane

809
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,719
really thank you Jane. That's very
good. Right. The next show is

810
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,400
going to be on Monday, the
thirtieth of October, and that will be

811
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:22,960
Lorraine McCadam and we will be talking
about phantoms in the night or are they

812
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,360
actually eat teas. Lorraine's had a
lifelong experience with contact with the paranormal,

813
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,880
so that should be very interesting.
In the meantime, if you'd like to

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get in touch with me at any
time, my email address is David Young

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too q in at yahoo dot co
dot UK as David Young too q in

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at yahoo dot co dot UK.
So once sort the next time. On

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October the thirtieth, Monday with Lorraine
McCadam, goodbye all and I'll speak to

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you next time. Bye bye,
time for got a bed? It is

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Lee? Shall we retire? Paranormal
Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal

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UK Radio Network