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How are you today? Good? How are you all right? Little
tired, a little beaten down today, but I'm generally okay. I can
certainly push through a podcast, that is for sure. It's good to talk
to you as always. What's been going on in your environments? Anything unusual,
well, clearly unusual, anything wildly unusual? Just oh, we got
y Kyote's back out on the peninsula for the first time in like twenty years
out here on the spin. Yeah, I just figured they'd be there all
the time now we haven't had them forever. What drove them off the people
and they got shot, okay, so the people, Yeah, they kind
of exterminated them. Yeah, there's a pack of four back out here.
So that's caused a lot of coster nation now because Junie won't come in at
night. He's like an outdoor cat and so cured has been pretty pretty worried
out there the spotlight looking around the baseball bad and a spotlight. They don't
come around to our house. Nice. Nice. So she's out hunting with
a club. Yeah, you have a cool woman, man, she's rat.
She's an angel. Yeah, an angel with the club. Yeah,
they'll loon them bad outside of like, you're not gonna get closer to hit
a karsh because if I get if if I get close enough, I will
she could throw it. Yeah, it'd be badass, man. It'd be
like a like one of the like the throwing clubs that we saw in Australia.
Yeah, boondi stick, you have one, give it to her,
no way, that's why it was prized possession. Oh yeah, fair enough.
I don't even really use that thing. You gotta go hunting with it.
I have not killed any wallabies or kangaroos with it, no, no
EMUs no, but I watched it killed two wallabies and a couple go onas
Wow, they're pretty efficient. There's a picture to be holding up for the
last episode. Put it on there for the picture of the podcast, Like
the little picture in the posting. It was the picture of me and I
also holding that booty stick and a boomerang with a boomerang. I remember money
Maker was like, you know, he'd go back to look first thing.
We'd all keep our stuff in the back of the suburban order like the whatever
it is set or the cast was writing in. Money Maker was pretty famous
for like just throwing your stuff out of the way, like if it wasn't
his, it just didn't matter. And that was like he was like fully
like on one of those things where he was like focused one hundred percent of
something else, like just taking through his stuff, and I was like,
watch out for my stuff, Matt, And I guess he'd at that one.
I didn't notice what he'd thrown the boomerang out during that time, because
later that night I couldn't find it. You should check in the back of
the car where he got up from, because boomerangs return. That's so funny,
Yeah, except that when he threw it hit me on the beach.
Yeah, that one returned and took your ankle out for the next six months,
a year, two years, no, two and a half years,
and gnarly infection like a flash eating stuff in there, and well, I
mean it was just a little nick but then getting in the we're going into
the jungles and stuff. I got some weird stuff and it got pretty infected.
They sing, I had some flash eating bacteria in there. Of course,
laying on your side while you slept made it spread to the other leg,
if I remember correctly. Yeah, keeping it classy. You went back
on the road of the scene, Cleve. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm only home for a couple of days. One of my employees is out.
He's out in Tennessee right now, so he's visiting family, taking care
of stuff. So I'm covering for him this week. Friday, I drive
out to Idaho. I'm doing that event out there with doctor Meldrum and Freeman
and those guys all that jazz. So out there for the weekend, I'm
going to try to see an old friend of mine, guy I used to
work at the fishing tackle store where he lives out there now. So I'm
going to try to see that gentleman. If my schedule allows. Come back
on Sunday, and if everything goes right, I'll have a day off,
which will be cool, and then I work the rest of the week,
you know, until until the employee comes back. But yeah, other than
that, I think at that point, I've got a week I think,
I think two weeks down, I'm going to try to go camping, because
I mean, this summer has been so bananas for me. I just have
not been out in the woods hardly at all. I've done a few daytime
walks and a couple of dusk things. I mean, mind you, I
mean I wasn't I went to Ape Canyon. I've been to the Blues three
times this year now. I have been out in the woods. It's just
not camping with my wife, which is kind of how I prefer to go.
Me and Melissa and you know, and so Cheat the dog haven't been
out. So hopefully we'll get out for a night or two, and then
after that, a little while after that, I get to take a real
vacation like and to me, like a real vacation is oddly enough, no
bigfoot stuff. I'll be going fishing in Mexico for a few days, so
I'm looking forward to that. Still a few weeks ahead, Still a few
weeks ahead, you know. So who knows when this episode will come out,
because we don't really record them in order necessarily, or even the week
that they are published, So this could be two or three weeks from now.
It could be this coming week. We don't really know. Only only
the divine influence of Matt Pruitt knows that one our special guests we got coming
up in a couple of days, he just got a great auto recording.
I guess that's pretty Uh. They've freaked him out and they heard it and
then I won't say who it is, but they got some auto that Dave
Ellis is very excited about, and we're going to hear it later this week.
He's going to come on the air and we're ready to hear it.
Yeah, we're gonna do another recording session in a few more days to try
to get a little ahead of the game. But between you being out of
town and me being out of town film and that stuff for Allegedmate Science too,
we've on a fallen behind, which means that we're on schedule because we
were ahead for a while. Man, it felt really good. I mean,
I love being ahead, just two or three weeks ahead on the podcast.
You can relax, get it done when you need to. But man,
getting up against the wall like that stresses me out. I don't like
it. Yeah here, Well, I guess we're going to go through the
emails today and voice messages and see what the people want to hear us.
Yeah, Yameron about Yeah, yeah, this is my favorite kind of episode
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Send us an email, leave us a voicemail. We'd love to hear
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Frankly this is my favorite one to do anyway, So I'm looking forward to
this and it looks like this week we only have one voicemail though, so
want only one voicemail, so let's go ahead and listen to that and we
can jump into whatever we think. The answer to this thing might be.
Hey, Cliff, Bobo, Dave Gauge here from Covinton, Louisiana. Pretty
sure Cliff will remember me, but Bobo, I'm not sure. So think
back to September twenty eighteen cliffs last expedition amount hood. I believe I was
the only quote unquote outdoorsman driving a black Camaro with mods, probably the only
one up there driving something not recommended from Mountain Travel. Hopefully Bobo, that
jogs you remember. Now, this is leading my question. As you were
breaking on your campsite, Mint and I were there and you told an awesome
story. I'll keep the details to myself. It's divulging anything as your call.
So the campsite story other stories in the podcast remind me to ask my
question here. I'm thinking Cliff has some sort of top fifteen, top ten
lists of Bobo stories, you know, the really really good ones we haven't
heard yet. Now understand if some of those stories can't be told, protect
the innocent statute of limitations. Just just joking, but surely you must have
some absolute killer stories to share. That's it for now, keep up what
y'all do. Fantastic high to Matt as well. Thanks, and that's all.
Yeah, Dave Gage, of course, Yeah, he's a friend.
He's more than an expedition er. He's a friend, kept in contact after
all this time. And you remember the Camaro, Like the only dude out
there in a Camaro. Yeah, that'sh man. Yeah, I did a
lot of driving. He drove all the way up. Wasn't the best off
road vehicle, but that's what you get for driving a Camaro. At least
he did it in style. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So he brought
up a couple of things I think are worth worthy of blabbing about for a
second. First Minty. First of all, Scott mint On, good good
friend. He was the expeditioner that helped us out. He started me off
on the museum track really well, helped me set up a lot of the
retail side of things, and he's a good friend. First employee, yeah,
first employee. He also he went on to other things. He's he's
a designer. He's a graphic designer by trade. But he rented this.
This is kind of a side thing just in case. Next time you're in
town, Bops, we're gonna go talk to him and Sandy Downtown Sandy there,
you know the one way stretches there. He opened a record shop,
a vinyl record shop, and it's the coolest one that I've seen. I
mean, it's it's not like Amiba Records or something like that. It's not
some giant thing. He basically had an office in which he would do his
graphic arts stuff, and he started selling records out of it because why not.
He has such a good record collection, and it's it's like fantastic taste,
really quirky stuff, really unusual stuff, and really rad stuff. He
injected a heck of a lot of culture into Sandy all of a sudden,
it was. It was it's a neat little addition. So it's kind of
neat to drop by and see Minty every once in a while. On that
one. But as far as the stories, gobobs, do you remember what
he was do you remember any of these stories he was talking about. I
have no idea, Yeah, because if I if there's a top fifteen stories
about you know from Bobo that I remember, a lot of those just can't
be told in public. I know. Yeah, I mean, both your
parents are still alive. A lot of the people are probably still alive.
I'm alive. You're alive. There you go, exactly, good point,
good point. Yeah, And when you're dead, I'll just make up stuff,
assuming assuming you go first. To be fair though, because there's no
talent. That was five years ago, like talk, packing up and talking.
Oh man, I don't I don't remember that at all. Imber those
guys shooting guns is like all day next to us. Oh yeah, yeah,
well yeah that it is the National Forestcepterral. Well you know, babe,
babe, that is called you, babe. I try it's something a
long day now my mind view hunting. I don't usually make that mistake.
I'm a freud. So oh yeah, I'm got to say Bobs, but
I sinking Dave at the same time. So anyway, hey baby, you're
looking pretty good baby on the radio. But you know, Bobs, maybe
a good thing to do would be too instead of giving us, I think
of some stories that you just know you can never tell, you know,
because because the witnesses are still alive or whatever issues, And you know what,
maybe give us a couple of keywords from each story that might entice us
and entice our imagination to get rolling in that direction. Here, I'll start,
I'll start, okay, because this is what I say. Won't won't
affect anything, and listeners won't know, but you might. Here here's an
idea. Mister fantastic. Oh, I'm not telling exactly that's my pauw Oh
fantastic? Is it fantastic? Did I get that wrong? Yeah, it's
fantastic. Yeah, Mr Fantastic. You can't tell that story obviously, but
you get the ideas. It's a hint in the right direction of something that
perhaps should never be told. Tell us about something else that should never be
told? Uh HMP, HMP. Yeah, Well, I think a lot
of start a lot of stories start with that one, because I know what
HMP stands for. HMP, of course stands for a heavy metal pat As
our listeners know, most of Bobo's friends have some sort of first name or
adjective associated with it. You know, with that with that person, whether
it's heavy Metal Pat or Big Dumb Josh or Bigger Dumber Josh. That's a
good one, Jesse legend. There's all these people, these all these casts
of characters, these muppets, that's around Bobo emails from tight Eye Steve,
Ted Eye Steve. Yeah I saw that. Yeah, that text came through.
Hey, tight Eye Steve. I don't know if I've met you yet,
but you fit right in with the with the with the other weirdos circle
in the Bobo hive. But yeah, hmp, man, I imagine a
tremendous number of stories that should never be told to start with that one,
and I can think of a handful of them right now. Yeah, hmp.
And bad abilities start off a lot of stories that those are the ones
that can't over the air. Of course, I've never ever said this you,
and there's a there's a big part of me that just does not mean
it. But I can't wait till you're dead. Stories feel free when I'm
dead. Yeah, But of course I want you to live a long,
healthy, happy life. Don't get me wrong, but I guarantee you I'll
tell a couple of these stories that when you're dead which is a good reason
to kill me first. By the way, Bob's he's got to send in
some more some more hints about the story. Yeah, Dave, gauge out
there yet. We need a couple more hints because I guess, uh,
maybe our ram isn't good enough. We just don't have a big enough ram
that we remember these things, or or there's it's just gets lost in the
lost in the sticks. You know, there's too many stories. Which one
is this one is a question. But it was good to hear your voice,
Dave. Thanks for listening. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Well, yeah,
sor our next email us from Kevin W. Bobo. With so many
of your friends having earned colorful nicknames, what is Cliff's nickname? Well,
how timely? We're just talking about that just moments ago. Yeah, it's
just been Cliff. No, I can think of one. I can think
of one that you called me quite a little and yeah, cliff Bert though,
Cliffbert though, which is what you know? You start to call me
that a long time before you I think you even knew I had a brother
named Robert named Rob Robert though, you know, so you kind of combined
my brother and I without having known. It's just part of the magic of
Bobo. You just did that automatically. That really like a descriptor, like
short Cliff or cool Cliff, smart guy, smart Cliff, Yeah, smartass
Cliff. Yeah. But cliff Bert though, I guess which is all.
That's one that I think you've been calling me, probably the longest. Yeah,
that's an honor if you're being able to speak Spanish. Well, yeah,
I'm not one of the Humboldt folks, you know, so I don't
have that double nickname thing going on, like amazingly creative Cliff. Yeah,
we'll stick. Don't know, they don't really roll off the tongue. Perhaps
that's that's the problem. Did you have any nicknames growing up, like in
high school and stuff like that. It's grade school, not really, not
really at all. Actually, just it's always been kind of Cliff, you
know, occasionally a Clifford soft rock Cliff, soft rock Cliff. Right.
Well, here's here's another question. This one's from John Lawhead. Hey,
guys, please help. I know we have a big collection from multiple sources
of footprint casts from the Rockies to the Pacific and up through Alaska and Canada.
What about east of the Rockies? Is there a similar history of cast
tracks from the east Or does the late mister Burne have a good point about
eastern Bigfoot? Oh? No, the late mister Burne was completely incorrect,
totally. He told Katley Strain at the end of the I guess two years
or said, once she talked to him. He said, now that I've
talked to you and Robert, you know, her husband, Bob Strain,
I have to say I changed my position. I believe that there could be
sasquatch east of the Mississippi or the Rockies. Oh well, good, I'm
glad he came around finally, because his when he wrote that the addendum to
his book when he republished it, it was so disappointing to read his his
his claims on there. I thought that was just like, really and then
I'll vocalize, Yeah, they don't vocalize it. But he likes the serious
so I don't know. It kind of contradicted itself and then like to say
there were no Sasquatches. He's the Rockies. So really really, so all
that John Green stuff that was gathered in the seventies. Were you unaware of
it or you just didn't believe it? Of course, we know that John
Green and Peter Burn like butted heads and it didn't like each other very much,
and they're talking crap to the day they died, probably about each other
to some degree. You know. I wasn't there, of course for either
of their desks, but I'm assuming that I don't think there was in that
relationship. Yeah, I don't think any healing was going on in that relationship.
You know. I was talking to Michael Freeman a couple of days ago,
and I guess the he was doing a job out that's always doing Scott
Violette's job out in Baker City or something, some Blue Mountain big foot thing,
and one of the speakers there told Michael Freeman that he had been to
the Blues with Peter or something like forty times. I say, well,
that's an odd behavior for someone who doesn't think there's any big foots in the
Blues, because that's another thing that Peter wroteen is book, is that there's
no big foots at all in the Blue Mountains. Well, why would you
keep going back? I didn't understand that part. You know, I mean
Peter was a you know, an iconic researcher, shall we say, an
iconic researcher. He got a lot of funding from a lot of people.
He was one of the earliest folks living in caves and nepaul and stuff looking
for the yetty, he's certainly earned his mark in all the bigfoot history thing.
But he was completely wrong about Sasquatches not being anywhere east of the Rockies.
Because look at Tom Shay's collection. Tom Shay has many, many,
many, many many footprints. Look at the stuff from Florida. I've personally
cast footprints in Georgia and Kentucky. There's good evidence from Tennessee. There's good
stuff from Indiana that I've seen, excellent stuff from Indiana, Ohio, Ohio.
Like, how can one ignore all this stuff? And one has to
assume and at least one, I, I should say, have to assume.
It's because perhaps he just wasn't presented with the evidence, he didn't have
first hand experience with the evidence. Because he was also saying not that long
ago, mister Burne, of course, that he thought that the last credible
siding of any big foot was in two thousand and six, and then he
talked his loggers out. I guess there was a siding in the Salmon Huckleberry.
No, that's not right. That's a wilderness area in the Mountain Hood.
What was oh, the Salmonberry I always get those mixed up on the
Salmonberry River A handful of years ago. What is it twenty twenty three?
Right now, I'm guessing this is probably about twenty eighteen or something like that.
And give it to take a year multiple witness sighting of a sasquatch by
loggers and on the Salmonberry River or thereabouts in that general area. A lot
of stuff comes out of there, though, so it's no surprise really.
But I guess he was. He got to the scene and he interviewed some
people supposedly at like yeah, yeah, exactly, And I was trying to
find out where it was, you know, because that's a golden opportunity for
some footprints and follow up. But I guess he got a chance to Maybe
he went out there, maybe just talked to him on the phone. I
don't really know. I think he went there, I don't I have no
idea. I don't know. But one of the loggers said that a couple
of people came out and looked around, and there were footprints in the ground
and nobody bothered casting them. He said they were beautiful footprints, and he
said, oh, there's pictures, and I got them somewhere on one of
my phones. All of a sudden, I never saw them. So I
don't know. Maybe the guy was just incorrect or lying or misremembering, who
knows, But yeah, apparently bigfoot researchers went to the spot, saw beautiful
footprints in the ground and didn't bother casting them. Oh that chaps my hide
bubs me too, I got. I got. I got a pretty big
argument with Peter. Actually, I thought, I said, he's like big
footst vocalize and I was like, dude, show show me a primate that
doesn't just blabbers. I mean, primates all vocalize. It's like, I
think all mammals vocalize. It must have something to do with just his own
personal interaction with the evidence. It just must. Maybe he doesn't really it
doesn't believe other people. I don't know what it was, but clearly mister
Byrne, in all due respect, was just incorrect about sasquatches not being anywhere
east of the Rockies. So it is what it is. It is what
it is. But now he's dead, Now he knows whatever the truth is.
I'm assuming he's he's in on the secret now, so good for him.
Something we can all look forward to. You think you learned that stuff
in Hell? I don't know. You let me know. I hope our
listeners realize. We have great respect for mister Burne, but he's just wrong
about some stuff. But you know what, so am I. I can't
say the same for Bobo, but I know I'm getting correct about some things.
And if you talk about Bigfoot long enough, especially publicly, you're gonna
be wrong eventually. Ain't no big deal, nothing wrong with being wrong?
Okay, Well, our next messages from John Hall, who is actually the
first big footer that Matt Prue had ever met, and he says, if
you guys are in charge of making your own finding big Foot type show,
what would you do different or how would it be different? The reason I
ask is that pretty much all the Bigfoot documentary documentaries and reality shows are pretty
much the same. Nothing he comes from them. It seems at the big
Foot field that's gotten to stay over the last few decades. Thanks for your
time. Love the show, John Hall. We do a lot different.
Yeah, I mean so basically, those guys had like two hundred and twenty
five grand per per week to work with in the that's just field you know,
travel hotels, all that, rent a cars meals. So yeah,
I would have done it different for sure. Maybe what I would have probably
done was not flown all over the place and just kind of done like each
season like in a like maybe not the not the exact same like cabin,
but have a base and work your way around and and just be totally flu
have a lot more flexibility was what I'd imagine i'd try to do it.
Yeah, I think that'd be a good start. I think I'm I'm kind
of doing my own version of it now with the museum videos. Honestly because
I'm at home, which I'd love being home. I'm not a big fan
of traveling, even though I have to do it all the time for work.
I'm just I don't enjoy traveling. It's not something I want to do,
not even for Bigfoot. And I say this all the time. I
mean, it's great to have a Sasquatch you know, hot spot in Virginia,
but I'm not in Virginia. I like where I live, you know,
I live here for a reason, So I would go to local spots
around where I am and follow up on things, or go to areas that
I know are good, because you're going to get stuff eventually. I think
that it's important on these types of shows to show that you don't always get
things, and I think that's one of the things that Finding Bigfoot did successfully.
We didn't always get things, which is where the witnesses and the town
hall and the other sort of things come in. But I'm really much more
interested in field work than I am, you know, witness interviews and that
sort of stuff. Witnesses are a signpost that points to where one should do
field work. For a lot of big footers, I know that witnesses are
the goal because they like stories and that they value the witnesses as the end.
To me, there a means to an end. So I would focus
more on the field work and the analysis of the data gathered from that from
my local area. If I if I had my druthers, which is pretty
much what I'm doing now, which of course I'm doing it on zero budget,
you know, like on on on gas money basically gas money in a
bag of Doritos on the way to the word paranapples and orange is there because
there's I mean two hundred and twenty five grand a week. Dude, shoot,
I mean I want to put my money. I would have definitely had
a mobile mobile base camp like and we wouldn't be staying in hotels. I'll
tell you that, we'd be staying out at the sites, and uh,
i'd have a lot more thermal didn't. It was so it was so weird
how they didn't want to have like stationary thermals like pen untilt, Like I'd
have pen untilts around the where you were at and then like dougs doing out
the new what's doing with legend each science too, is putting all those cameras
and light flick on instantly at the same time where there's no way could get
out without you're getting it, you know, at least a blur of it
running. You get something I think I think we could do with the budget.
I mean, so they spent I mean they spent over twenty million dollars
get on us out in the field, and that's insane. Well over the
nine years, yeah, we didn't get any good footage that's insane, Like
to me, that's just it's it's like, that's just nuts, Like we
should have if we had that, someone gave us twenty million dollars and can
you guys get footage? I'd say I'd bet my life on it. Yes,
we could within two years and have great footage and then I can tell
stories about you. No, you know, I think that it's the format
of television. It's it's reality TV. Reality TV is not the format for
a Bigfoot documentary show. It is what actually when it comes down too,
you know, especially on the schedule that we have. And that's one of
the first things that I would change about any sort of other show is take
away that schedule pressure. And what I mean by that is like I probably
wouldn't be a weekly show. I don't. I don't think that that's the
right way to go about something like a finding Bigfoot show because you have eight
or nine days that you're filming there and you you got to get something,
and you got to move to the next spot or you got to stay in
the same spot. Even I think that even that would is that it's that
pressure of one episode a week that does it in because you've got to get
something. You gotta get something cool for the audience that that's that's fun.
Even if you don't get a big Foot, you gotta get something fun and
some sort of story in there. I think that a better way to do
it is a no pressure and no time constraint documentary that like, say,
for example, we say we go to Michael's house. Remember Michael our guests
from one forty nine, from episode one forty nine, So say we say
we go to Michael's house and we spend X number of months there and then
whatever we get we piece it together. I think that's a better way to
do something like this. But some sort of serial weekly show now, it's
just it's just not going to happen now because of the constraints and the money
that's on the table and the pressure on the production company to get something done.
There has to be a zero time constraint framework for anything to happen,
because Bigfoots don't give a damn about your time constraints. Yeah, I've always
said when people talking like, hey, these guys want to do a TV
show, now I saw them. You're so much better off just doing like
documentary stock because TV is not conducive. It's two it's yeah, it's not
conducive. It's there are two different things. Yeah, there really are.
You can make an entertaining show, and that's great. You know, it's
fun to watch people go do this. Me on Mountain Monsters what I mean.
I love Mountain it's a great show. I love the show. But
like, are they doing bigfoot research? I don't know who knows what they're
doing. They're they're they're being themselves out in the woods and turning it up
to eleven. It's what they're doing. But you aren't going to get quality
DNA evidence and footprint casts doing something like that, I would think. And
it's not a slim against the Mountain Monster show. I love those guys.
All of those guys are my friends. But they put out. They put
out, but they know what they're doing, like they they're the part they're
putting out like they're they're doing it, like they're they're not clean. That
there's you know, scientists you know, trying to Yeah, they're entertainers.
Yeah yeah, And frankly, we need fewer entertainers and that probably includes myself
and more educators and scientists in this thing which the educator part does include myself.
I guess I'm more entertainment than anything else really, But yeah, I
think we need more scientists in the in the game. Oh definitely, Yeah,
a lot more scientists. But until you know, I mean, until
something happens or you know, more interest is taken or I don't know.
There's a lot of barriers, most of which are the big footing community itself.
There's a lot of barriers between more scientists getting involved in this subject than
where we are now. But it's mostly discur own behavior and and correct me
if I'm wrong. But Matt Pruett, here are our listening voice on our
shoulder. Didn't you address that in your book? That sounds awfully familiar to
me, Like like you're kind of pointing out that the big foot community is
one of the biggest obstacles for being taken seriously, Yeah, to some degree.
I mean, I don't want it to sound like an oversimplification, but
yeah, it is very often the claims and the behaviors of a lot of
proponents that are the most damaging to the proponents themselves, not only in the
eyes of the scientific community, but the skeptical community. Let's say, because
you know, the people that think that it can't exist therefore doesn't exist.
Like, despite whatever other differences they have, they're at least united in that
particular front, whereas the proponents side is anything but united, and so they
spend so much time fighting and bickering among themselves that it's really easy for someone
you can hardly blame, let's say, someone from the outside looking in,
going yeah, this is all nonsense, because even these people don't agree for
our listeners, by the way, that was, of course, our producer
Matt Pruitt by his book. Read it. It's fantastic in my opinion,
and it's legitimately one of the best big books written in recent years by far.
So anyway, Yeah, so there's a long, meandering answer for you,
mister John Hall. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. All right, This next
question here is from Zippy West. Cool name anyway, Zippy West. He
us the number one killer of bears are bears and the number one killer of
lions are lions. So if sasquatches a cannibal, do you think they may
eat they're dead? We don't know they could. I mean, I've heard
that speculated, and I don't think they do. I think anything's on the
menu, man, I really do. I think that they'd eat us,
if you know, if they were so inclined, if you know, if
they were hungry enough, are delicious, we look delicious. Can imagine all
that marbling that we'd have. Chimpanze's been seating eating other chimpanzees, haven't they.
I know they've been seen eating in their monkeys. I don't know about
chimps though. Do they eat other troop members? No, not troop members.
I think like when they after they kill X one through their team,
I think the other troops. Yeah, that's kind of what I meant to
say. So, yeah, the other troops when they do inner tribal or
troop warfare. I don't know. But do I think Sasquatch is accountable,
Well, they're reported to be. But that also might just mean human eating
eating humans, And there are a small, small, small, small number
of reports of them suggesting that behavior. I got it right here, Cliff.
And when it comes to me, it's not just other primates that chimps
will find delicious. They've been known to feast on rival chimpanzees too, and
on rare occasions they're kind of cannibalistic behavior can even expend individuals within their own
group. Well okay, well there you have it. And that's also true
for humans to some degree. Yeah, it's mostly I think cultural taboos.
So yeah, I think there that's kind of settles it. Sasquatches probably do
eat their dead, but a naturally dead animal, there's a reason they died.
You know, you don't want that in your body. Yeah, I'm
not even sure. I guess I'm you know, scavengers would eat that sort
of stuff, but I think saadsquatches are also scavengers. I think that anything's
on the menu. They don't have great taste and a lot of things,
and I think the menu items are one of those things. So zippy,
that's the best we can do on that one, all right. This one's
from Jake L. I live in the Driftless region of Wisconsin, and I'm
curious about the potential for Bigfoot's here. There are some reports, but not
many. In your opinion, is this a good place to go Bigfoot?
It would be a waste of time. Yeah. Yeah, we've been there.
Yeah, we've been there. Yeah, because it's it's right across fromer
we stayed in Wisconsin. We went in Iowa. Yeah, Jake, I
was I'm not familiar with the Driftless region there, but but we just looked
it up and it sure looks good to me. I would expect them to
be there like that, that's steep, rugged terrain, if there's plant life
and stuff, if it's if it's gnarly places where you don't want to go
walking around, they're probably there. We heard him there, but that one
do this cliff, So that's apparently we filmed there. Yeah, we had
them come right up to us, that one stopping its feet in the brush,
right right right fifty feet from us. Oh, is that the where
that watch tower was? No, that was that was that was in Wisconsin.
I'm talking about when we went over to Yeah, they were there too,
But I'm talking about when we went in Iowa and that Yellow Yellow River
State Park or something like that. Yellow Oh there there, Okay, that's
that's Trifless area. That's the heart of the Trifless area. Really yeah,
yeah, they said, uh, south southwest Wisconsin. So yeah, it's
a good area. I would do it. Go find the plant life,
find where all the animals are hanging out and go. And one of the
best things about it is like very few researchers are up there doing things and
you'll probably have most of places to yourself. Maybe contact the BFR owner Wisconsin
because Larry Dalky's up there and his wife, like they know, they put
us on spots where we got them like right away there. There's some of
the guys up there too, as we've been out with at the site and
the Yellow I think it was Yellow River State Park. I think it was
what they called it. Yeah, that is exactly where it was. Yeah.
And you know there's a fantastic juvenile sasquatch footprint and casts here in the
museum from Dubuque right outside of there, Yeah, and that general area.
Yeah. And that's so that whole area it's it's it's under exploited for big
foot stuff. I think it's a good way to say it. There's certain
there are certainly in there and there and the deep thing about being out there
and I think it's you know, we've talked about this before, aboves that
it's probably easier to find sasquatches in that area the country than it is out
here. To the Pacific Northwest, and it's not because there's more of them.
I think there's more out here in the Pacific Northwest, but there are
there's less habitat. So at least you know where to start looking. And
it's still a really really big area. You know, it's a huge area,
but it's a lot smaller than it is out here. So at least
you know where to start looking and start start frequenting certain areas and talking to
the locals and looking at sighting rapport and all that sort of stuff, just
stuff that we all do as big footers and see where you can zero in
on and then start working that area as much as you can. Yeah,
that's a great I'm just I'm having always memories come back now. I'm talking
to people in town and just other people that weren't on the show and stuff,
but all the stuff going on around there. Yeah, that's a that's
a really good area. Yeah, so go go to it, Go to
it. Let us know what you get. Okay. Well, here's the
last question for this particular episode, the August Q and A, and this
was from George Edo. The messages or the question is who is the greatest
big footer of all time. I guess Titans maybe, or that's it's sorted
to say just one. But I mean, you gotta get you gotta take
your head off to Roger Patterson, because he brought in the thing that's convinced
more people than I mean, he's responsible for getting more people in a big
foot than anyone else. I'd say, you got John Green, and I'd
even throw in Tom Shay and in the conversation. Yeah, you know,
I guess there's Here's the challenge with this question, to me, at least,
George, is there are so many aspects, so many facets to big
footing, that you almost have to compartmentalize them because there are people who would
compile compile information like John Green, in which if we're talking about compilers and
who contributed more to the field than probably anybody else, it might be John
Green, just because he was amongst the first and he's the person who kind
of almost popularized the subject to some degree, although popularized might be too strong
of a verb for this. He was introduction, yeah, for pretty much
everybody. And if you don't know who John Green is, well, my
gosh, I'm surprised you're even listening to the podcast. You should go get
a John greenbook and read it and then come back and listen to the podcast
later. But John Green did that, But he's not a He wasn't really
a field guy, even though he went to the field a fair amount.
I wouldn't I wouldn't categorize as mister Green as a field person. I would
write him up as more of a compiler, I suppose, yeah, and
presenting it in a way that it was compelling and thoughtful and persuaded people that
wow, there's something here. It looks like yeah, because even he didn't
think they were real at first. It was actually talking to witnesses, which
is what he excelled at, talking to witnesses and then recording what they said
and publishing it. That's what he really did. But again, I mean,
that's not that's not really what I like to do. And I'm not
a I'm perhaps not a great big footer, but I'm an okay big footer.
You know. I like field stuff. So when I when I look
at field stuff, I would like to say, bob titmus But I'll tell
you what, I don't know of a lot that he did, because most
of his records were destroyed. In a boat fire off British Columbia, and
in fact a lot of his footprint casts were also destroyed in that same boat
fire, So he had a lot more data gathered than will ever know because
he was not out there drawing attention to himself. He'd never published really anything
about it. What little I know about Bob Titmas's field work is either from
people who had met him and interviewed him and that sort of stuff, or
the stuff that he wrote on the back of original footprint casts. And all
of the remaining all the surviving footprint casts are in the Willow Creek China Flats
Museum down there in your neck of the woods and Willow Creek there, Yeah,
and the most one behind glass. You can't really read what he wrote,
but it's just mostly this is a footprint that's the same individual. I
followed it for this far, this was the date, that kind of stuff.
So very little is actually known about a lot of Bob Titmass field efforts.
But so which brings us to the next possible candidate. I think Tom
Shay is way at the top of the list because Tom Shay is not only
compiling data, he has several stacks of spiral notebooks that he writes down little
things like temperature and date and this is what we found and stuff. But
he's also out there casting footprints, doing field work, following up on stuff,
which I think is also a signature of a great researcher is hearing about
something that happened recently in the last week or something and going out and looking
for sign To me, that that is what it takes to be a great
research researcher. Is that level of diligence and commitment. Not hearing about the
oh, you saw one three days ago, let me write down what it
is, and then don't do anything else about it. That's not enough to
me. That's not a great researcher. That's a mediocre researcher, just who's
only going after the words and not the evidence. To me, that that's
just my bar. You know, I would way rather have the evidence than
I would the words. The words are again are a signpost to go get
the evidence. So to me, that's what a great researcher is. You
do collect the story, but that doesn't end there. You go the extra
mile, You put your you put your button the car, and you get
out to the area and you put your boots on the ground and to see
what else there might be. Heck, it might be in the area.
Still, I mean that's what That's basically what Roger Matterson did. He was
working on information that was a few months old, but he basically went to
a spot where footprints were found recently and ran across another's ass. Watch and
those guys are all great trackers. Yeah, well, you know back then
in the you know, fifties and sixties and stuff like just I'll say,
like people were made of different stuff. You know. It's like talking about
the pioneers or something like that, like the we would all be dead if
we were pioneers, you know, but they made it somehow. You know,
we're standing on their shoulders as the people of a different caliber, men
and women, just a different caliber than what we do today. Who else,
what do you think? Both? So what are your thoughts on this?
I've kind of rambled for a while, and I'm sure i'll think of
another in a minute, But what's on your mind? I mean, yeah,
it's when I say, like great researchers, there's there's different categories.
I mean, like John Green was the first, I mean he did such
a good job of presenting the evidence, you know, like straightforward and well
written and insightful and tying loose ends together and kind of showing you things like
Rainfall with his Rainfall's reports. Then you got Tom Schaa for surviving evidence.
He's number one. I mean technically, like I said, lost his stuff
in that boat fire, like I said, Roger, because Roger, Roger
got the best footage ever and he's been fifty something years fifty six years or
whatever. Yeah, and if I maybe about in a bit about Roger too,
I mean, everybody hangs their hat on the film. But Roger was
a legit bigfooter. He did chase down all the recent reports. He did
cast a bunch of footprints, He recorded interviews with people about their signing reports.
He was literally the first person to ever were call blasts. A lot
of people claimed that they invented call blasting, that none of them did.
Roger Patterson did. He would do. He would do vocalization calls off at
some tower he built on his property in Tampico by Yakima, Like he was
the first in so many because it's just just like this guy with endless energy
towards the subject, this deep level of fascination and obsession about the subject.
He was an astonishing researcher, and I only know a little bit about what
he collected. So in a few short years started collecting reports, he wrote
a book, and he filmed One Man. What a decade for that guy.
What a decade. Yeah, I mean he was He died relatively young,
and he still had a good, good amount of time with him.
I think he would have done some more, you know, I got some
more results. Oh, I'm positive he would have. I mean, he
threw the money away that he earned on the film trying to get another one,
not trying to go get a body of one out of Indonesia. Yeah.
Yeah, he went down. He went down to Indonesia with Dennis Jensen
and tried to get a sasquatch that they were supposedly holding in a cage in
some monastery in Indonesia somewhere. The whole thing was a wild goose chase,
and he spent all his money and didn't get anything from it, and then
he basically died a poor man a few years later. Hodgkin's disease, the
type of cancer. But yeah, so that's that's commitment. That's definitely commitment.
Another whole branch of this big footing thing. The greatest big foot of
all time would have to be the scientific accomplishments. You know. Of course
we're all standing on Krantz's shoulders, but I mean Meldrum's standing on his and
further to Krantz's research, But there's also quiet scientists in the background that are
in some and a very small number that are just peeking their heads out of
their holes right now kind of looking at this big foot thing. So I'm
really curious once Meldrum retires, you know, who's going to step in and
take the spot. Hopefully we're on the verge of a new wave of big
footers, at least in the scientific realm, that it'll just push us all
out of the way and we can sit back and enjoy learning about the subject
from real professionals once the species has proven as real. Yeah. So anyway,
that's that's my thought on the on the matter, you know, But
that's from a very you know, Cliff and Bobo centric perspective as well,
though we all have our opinions. We all have our thoughts about what makes
a good big footer. Three in my top ten all right, Cool,
you're going to the All Star Game, am I? Well, I appreciate
that. That's very kind of you. That's very kind of you. I'm
just trying to do the best I can with what little time I have.
Next, the next one is who's done the most damaged the big Foot?
Oh? All of us. That's a group effort there, Bobs. We
couldn't have done it without every other member of our community. Well, that's
great and soaked. I love the questions we get because it throws us on
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