1 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,359 What is up, fellow thermonuclear A adverts. I am Dan for Valley, 2 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,559 coming at you solo to talk some NBA trade deadline. We had some moves 3 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,960 that happened, and I scheduled a bunch of different live streams. I had 4 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,960 to keep moving them back because it turns out that you all know I cover 5 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:37,600 the MBA full time for Bleacher Report. Said Hey, I actually had to 6 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,640 write about these trades, which are both just super duper incredibly fascinating. So 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,079 if you were sitting there waiting, I appreciate you sitting there waiting. Let's 8 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:49,960 talk about them. Though. We'll give people, some stragglers a few minutes 9 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,280 to come in here, so I will very quickly just remind you to subscribe 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,840 to us. 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My eyes will be scattered all over the place. 30 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:07,240 I will get to questions as they come in once we talk a little 31 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,840 bit. But since someone's already in here, got one FK retro These trades 32 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:15,919 today made no sense for so many teams, I think. So let's start 33 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:21,120 with the Jazz one, because I do think that's the trade that people are 34 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:24,280 most confused of when they look at the return, like, I don't fk 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,520 Retro, You're not You're not alone in saying that. So the actual terms 36 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,599 of that trade is the Lakers will get Malik Beasley, Jared Vanderbilt, and 37 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,639 D'Angelo Russell. The Timberwolves will get Nikki, Alexander Walker, Mike Conley, 38 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:42,199 a twenty twenty four second round pick from Memphis or Washington. It'll be the 39 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,199 less favorable and it'll come via the Lakers. They also get UTAs twenty twenty 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,159 five second and Utass twenty twenty six second. The Jazz will get Damien Jones, 41 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:53,960 Wantis, Connolly, Anderson, Russell Westbrook and the Lakers twenty twenty seven 42 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:58,599 first round pick. It's top four protected. And also, and this is 43 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,560 just this is super note worth at the moment. If it doesn't convey, 44 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,120 it just turns into a twenty twenty seven second, And that's huge because it 45 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:07,599 allows the Lakers to then turn around and trade at twenty twenty nine second. 46 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,319 And so I want to break down the The implications for the Lakers is I 47 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,879 give this trade if we were grading them, which I technically am, but 48 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,120 I'm not doing that here. It's just it's an a for the Lakers. 49 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,879 I don't know how it's anything other than an a for the Lakers. They 50 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:24,759 only gave up one first round pick, and there was this school of thought 51 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,199 that if they were going to trade, make a trade that was so geared 52 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:34,560 towards this season that they needed to trade both picks because they needed a mega 53 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,240 return, and so like, even then, would the mega return be enough? 54 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,400 Like if you if they had gotten Kyrie Irving, I think you could 55 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,120 say, oh, well, I guess they had some like championship equity or 56 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,919 potential outcomes, but maybe they also didn't. So like, that's to get 57 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,599 this haul only giving up one pick and that you got to protect it, 58 00:03:55,919 --> 00:04:02,120 and it doesn't trickle down because now you're able to do is you'll move like 59 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:06,360 this pick, move your twenty twenty nine pick. Excuse me, and I'm 60 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,000 sorry I'm stammering here. I'm trying to get this promoted on Twitter, and 61 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,560 it's tweet deck. I guess if you're sending out tweets, it won't actually 62 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,199 publish. So that's that's that's fucking awesome. That really kind of sort of 63 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,160 definitely blows anyway, though, So for the Lakers, the fact that you're 64 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,240 still able to trade you're twenty twenty nine pick, you go out and make 65 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,120 another move right now, or if you think this is enough and we'll get 66 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,920 into the fit of the players in a second. If you think this is 67 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,560 enough, like now, you get to holster that pick, and when you 68 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:39,120 go into the off season you can trade. You can still trade a swap 69 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,680 in twenty twenty eight, you're twenty twenty nine pick, and then a swap 70 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,439 in twenty thirty. I don't know what value that necessarily has, but if 71 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,439 there's there's more value there, it opens up more avenues for you to improve 72 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:53,959 your team. And also just looking at the books of this, if you 73 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,360 want to, you can still just say, hey, we'll go into this 74 00:04:56,519 --> 00:04:59,839 offseason with cap space instead of keeping any of these guys. Russell's a free 75 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,879 agent, Malik Beasley is a team option. Jared vanderbilt salary is completely non 76 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,319 guaranteed, So you can just get rid of those, get rid of Ruey, 77 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:08,480 and still have all that cap space. If you want to sign Kyrie 78 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,199 Now you don't. I want to be clear, you don't make this move 79 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,079 with the intention of doing that. But if if for some reason it doesn't 80 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,279 work out, you have that avenue and you only gave up one first round 81 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:25,120 pick while significantly increasing your ceiling on this season. And I don't know, 82 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,040 I don't know how to judge what the Lakers highest and olcome is right now, 83 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,319 to be honest with everyone, mostly because the West is just so fucking 84 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:38,199 jumbled. That being said, the Lakers are disappointing. And yet if you 85 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,480 want to just to get in a top six spot to really have a chance, 86 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:44,360 like let's say you just want them to avoid the plan, they're only 87 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:47,560 four losses back of the six seed Dallas Mavericks. Now the catch twenty two 88 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,199 there is you have all these teams in front of you Portland, okay, 89 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:54,360 see the Jazz, Minnesota, New Orleans, Golden State, and Dallas. 90 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:57,639 That's a lot of teams. We've already shown that Utah's gonna punt on the 91 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,519 rest of this year, do we bet? Are you try us in anything? 92 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,879 In Minnesota they've been on a tear of late, but D'Angelo Russell was 93 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:04,160 a huge part of that. And Mike Conley's been solid. He kind of 94 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:08,199 elevates your floor. I think without raising your ceiling. We'll get to them. 95 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,680 The Golden State Warriors are dealing with the Steph Curry absence for another month. 96 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,600 What's gonna happen with Kyrie and Dallas? The Blazers just traded Josh Hart, 97 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,639 Like did they They didn't get better in that deal, getting Cam Reddish 98 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:23,600 and Ryan Orchidiacino and Spi McKay Luke. So, and we'll talk about that 99 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,800 as well. So like you have and the Thunder, you know, they're 100 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,199 sort of like they're not fading, but like they're a team that you could 101 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,040 see fading and you've gotten better. That's the other thing is this is not 102 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:36,399 the Lakers, like just being the Lakers and hoping that oh, Lebron and 103 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:42,680 I d have to will most definitely kind of sorder are gonna stay healthy and 104 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,560 they need to carry the little of themselves. D'Angelo Russell is like having a 105 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,720 pretty good year and he's been on a tear for basically the past two months. 106 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,160 Right now, he's shooting thirty eight point five percent on catching shoot threes 107 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,800 and even more importantly, shooting thirty nine point four percent on off the dribble 108 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:01,920 threes. This is a wild stat though nobody on the Lakers is averaging one 109 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,759 pull up jumper per game, end posting an effective field goal percentage which measures 110 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:12,439 two point and three point efficiency above fifty. D'Angelo russells affect a field goal 111 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,480 percentage on pull up jumpers fifty three point three. That is the eighth best 112 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:18,680 mark in the league among seventy three players who take at least four of those 113 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,360 shots a game. That's absolutely huge when you're looking at the dynamic of the 114 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:25,959 Lakers offense. It's something that Rust didn't give you, even though he was 115 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,680 going to take those shots. I think he's actually averaging more pull up jumpers 116 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,959 per game than D'Angelo Russell, which is a capslock problem. So you get 117 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,240 someone who I think, yes, the Wolves, maybe we're worried about his 118 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,279 long term fit off the ball when you were funneling so much of your offense 119 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:45,560 to Anthony Edwards even Kyle Anderson there, but like Delo has been able to 120 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,959 play off the ball, so he could play off Lebron. The line ups 121 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,839 with him and Anthony Davis and no Lebron, that should work out. Really 122 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:54,360 well. I think this is just in itself. I think if the Lakers 123 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,279 made this trade and the comment from fk Retro, which I left up on 124 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:01,160 the screen for a while, yeah, they literally gave up nothing, really 125 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,399 for three guys that so many teams were going after. Don't get how they 126 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:05,560 got them for so little. I will talk about that in a second one 127 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,439 once we get to the Jazz. But I think you could have done this 128 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:15,120 trade for just Delo and it probably would have been okay, Like maybe the 129 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,519 you know, the value would have been different because how does Minnesota give up 130 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:20,079 calmly in that deal? But if that was the you know, if that 131 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,399 was the only like, if Delo was the only thing that you got out 132 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,360 of this trade, would you have said that it was that it was a 133 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:31,240 failure on the Lakers part. Maybe, but like maybe not, because you 134 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,279 could say, well, they just might have signed him in free agency. 135 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,000 So that's huge for them. Now they get someone in Malik Beasley who brings 136 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,440 uh, sorry to anyone who's hearing all my messages, work messages go off 137 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,080 in the backgrounds. Here's the season to just get tons of texts and dms 138 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,960 and emails and keep up with absolutely none of them anyway, So training thought, 139 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,840 oh yeah, so yeah, they could have signed him in free agency, 140 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,279 but if you just got Delo, that have been huge. Malik Beasley 141 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,559 high volume three point shooting that has value to this Lakers offense. And he's 142 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,320 not a properly size of wing, but at six five, he's like their 143 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,360 second biggest wing if you're like outside of Lebron, and I don't consider him 144 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,399 a wing. I don't even really consider Ruey a wing, but that's huge 145 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,240 for them. I will know. Beasley has been shooting under thirty one percent 146 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,799 from three over his last twenty one games or twenty three games, so that's 147 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:20,320 more than a quarter of the season. That's something the monitor. He should 148 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,320 be getting at least the same quality, if not better quality shots in LA 149 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,159 when you're catching passes from Lebron. I think that that's a good pickup under 150 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:30,840 team control for next year if he works out as well. And then Jared 151 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:33,000 Vanderbilt, then talent infusing alone. I liked that play. The on off 152 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:37,159 splits don't love him. He became a little redundant and definitely awkward once Walker 153 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,159 Kessler emerged, though, And so now you're playing on a Lakers team where 154 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:46,240 you have If you're gonna try and play him next to Ruey Endoor Anthony Davis, 155 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,159 you might run into some of the same spacing issues, but defensively, 156 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:52,639 he should be able to spend more time around the basket, which is where 157 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:56,720 he's best suited, and he just brings you some rebounding hustle and then then 158 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:00,960 pure energy night tonight. Again, the talent play there alone is just like, 159 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,080 yeah, get it and then figure out the rest later. I don't 160 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:09,039 know, Like these are all three of the players that the Lakers are acquiring 161 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,360 right now, Like there's a chance that at least two of them would be 162 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:15,360 their third best players overall. Like I mean, you have Anthony Davis, 163 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:16,919 you have Lebron, and then it's I don't know how you feel about Austin 164 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,879 Reeve. Let's not have the Russell Westbrook discussion at that point. Like the 165 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:24,279 whole six minute of the year bus thing with him was totally overrated for the 166 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Wolves. I don't love this, but I understand it. So you get 167 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:33,879 Mike Conley, who has experienced playing next to Rudy Gobert. He's having a 168 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,960 solid season, and I do believe we need to view this through the lens 169 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,320 of Okay D'Angelo Russell was going to be a free agent. If you thought 170 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,799 that he was going to leave or you didn't want to be the one to 171 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:50,039 pay him, you needed to figure out a way to get value out of 172 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,360 him. And so what you do with Conley is you basically fold delo salary 173 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,639 into a smaller salary that's on the books for next season. Mike Conley has 174 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:01,320 a full salary of twenty four point four fourteen point three million, of which 175 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,840 is guaranteed, so they could waive him if they wanted to to cut that 176 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:07,120 ten million off. I don't think you make this deal to do that, 177 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:11,279 though, So you bring in someone who's just cheaper can still play, so 178 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,919 you're not losing Dealo for nothing. Has the experience with Rigobert, He's probably 179 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,080 if you really want to continue to allocate more touches to Anthy Edwards and like 180 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:22,600 to play Kyle Anderson on the ball, and you also want to make sure 181 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,360 that when karl anthy Towns comes back that he can be a prominent part of 182 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:30,080 what you're doing on the ball and not strictly playing away from it. He's 183 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,159 probably the better fit for your roster and so the depth chart makes a little 184 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,279 bit more sense here to me. That being said, Mike Commy's thirty five, 185 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,600 He's gonna be thirty six next year. His contract is like, that's 186 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,840 net negative value when you're paying him that much, and I don't like, 187 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,159 what if he slips off? Doesn't have the intended impact. So while your 188 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,120 roster does make more sense, DeAngelo Russell to me, gave you the higher 189 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:56,320 ceiling when you look at what might have happened in the playoffs. There is 190 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:01,840 value though and catering towards fit and synergy and optimizing you know, the talent 191 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:03,120 that you're most invested in, and like I said, you need to view 192 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,799 it through the lens of DeAngelo Russell probablyving or maybe earning too much money for 193 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,200 the Wolves to finance in free agency, and I think that helps with the 194 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,279 optics here. And then also you get those like two distant Utah first rounders, 195 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:18,919 which in twenty five and twenty six, Yeah, the Jazz should be 196 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:20,159 better, but what if they're not? So like, what if those picks 197 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,399 end up being in the thirties, that's just you know, some nice value 198 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,559 there. I also I like the flyer on the kil Alexander Walker, just 199 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,679 because this team doesn't have a lot of reserve firepower. And while Nall can 200 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:39,039 be sort of this firecracker or inconsistent firecracker, he's just like that's an extra 201 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,399 body there, especially if you wind up, you know, acquiescing to the 202 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,639 jail and Noel trade demand that we know is there, so that helps you 203 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,960 as well, or at least is interesting to do. So again I understand 204 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,559 it from their perspective, but it's not a very inspiring move and now they're 205 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,919 just very much out of alternatives because it's what is there. But like Delo 206 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,600 was sort of their last big trade chip unless you're gonna look at moving Carl 207 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:05,600 Anthony Town's over the offseason once he becomes trade eligible. And so it really 208 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:09,519 gets like they have Jane McDaniels too, but like what you're just to build 209 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:11,039 out packages now gets so tough, and if this doesn't work out, Mike 210 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,600 Conley's not all of a sudden an asset. Yeah, you can move his 211 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,120 expiring contract, but at twenty four point four million, you're probably not taking 212 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,320 back great money at that point. Again, I understand it from their perspective. 213 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,279 That doesn't mean I love it. The jazz they are the team that 214 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,200 was criticized the most. I think in the aftermath of this deal, a 215 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,799 lot of people there were reports early on that the Jazz wanted a first round 216 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,879 pick for Jared Vanderbilt, Mike Conley, and Malik Beasley, and so I 217 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,720 think people are sort of treating this trade as if that was an absolute fact 218 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:48,039 or even possible. It wasn't. Like so I already mentioned, let's break 219 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:54,159 this down player by player. Jared Vanderbilt became awkward redundant after after the emergence 220 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,159 of Walker Kessler. He's on the books for four point seven million next year. 221 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,159 But a reserve big man who doesn't based the floor is never getting a 222 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,919 first round pick without other moving parts involved, i e. The Jazz taking 223 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:09,720 back bad money and he makes too little money to have been sent out for 224 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:13,559 bad money on his own. Malik Beasley, Yes, he'd probably get you 225 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,120 a first round pick on his own. Still, that first round pick is 226 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,960 not nearly as high end as the twenty twenty seven Lakers selection might be. 227 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,879 And I think the other thing to consider is, like he's been sub thirty 228 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,039 one percent from three for quite some time now. He's just been super up 229 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:30,159 and down for them. On offense. It's a good move for the Lakers, 230 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:33,600 and he's a valuable player, but like, I don't know, Like 231 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,120 he wouldn't have gotten you more than a lottery protected first round pick from a 232 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:39,440 team that would have wanted it to convey this year, and it would have 233 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,679 been in the twenties or something along those lines. So yes, he would 234 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,879 have gotten you a first round pick. There's that first round pick, but 235 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:48,639 it wouldn't have been nearly as high end or off into the distance. And 236 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:52,519 for a team like the Jazz, they have so many first round picks now 237 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,519 they're up to fifteen future first round picks that are loosely or unprotected. I 238 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:01,240 believe, as Wog framed it, loose protection means like top four, I 239 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,399 would say, or lower so top five or better so, and that makes 240 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,879 sense. I think they have the top five for Minnesota and twenty nine now 241 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:09,840 the top fourth for the Lakers in twenty seven. You wouldn't have gotten a 242 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,440 pick nearly that high end. And then Mike Conley, that's not I'm not 243 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,320 saying they would have needed to move off an asset to get him out of 244 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,559 town. He wasn't getting you a first round pick on his own. I 245 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,840 think even pairing him with someone other teams would have looked at, well, 246 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:28,600 we're taking on this asset because we're gonna pay Mike Conley next season. And 247 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,840 when you when you look at it that way, which is the right way 248 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,840 to look at it, they maybe maybe again, I'm just gonna say, 249 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:41,799 maybe could have gotten two first for these three players. That's maybe they would 250 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,879 Those two first would have just been afterthought first and not as potentially high end 251 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,200 as the Lakers might be. Now, you are taking on some risk here 252 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,720 because if that Lakers pick doesn't convey in twenty twenty seven, it turns into 253 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,519 just a second. But you also get the benefit here of increasing your cat 254 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:03,120 flexibility this summer. You just went getting rid of Beasley's team option. You're 255 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,320 not gonna pay Vanderbilt and un guaranteed, and then all of Mike Conley's money. 256 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,480 They're just they're gonna have max cap space and then some if they don't 257 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,679 want to do anything. And I'm not saying they need to go spend spend 258 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:15,399 spending free agency, but that's going to give them avenues to facilitate other trades 259 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,120 or make other trades themselves, either as buyers and lopsided deals, like, 260 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,360 you know what, if the Hawks just blow it up, John Collins is 261 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:23,600 going to slide right into Utah's cap space, Like that's still eminently possible. 262 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:32,120 So that having that flexibility is part of the value that needs to be incumbent 263 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:37,679 of this trade. That's like, you know, that's that's not bad value 264 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:41,320 here when you're looking at the Lakers first round pick that you're also getting. 265 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:44,919 Fk Retchers said, Jazz basically got cap space in a second twenty seven for 266 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Westbrook? Who are they going to buy out? And yes, you could 267 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:49,559 look at it that way, and that's fine because look, most of the 268 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:52,919 season's already gone. That RUSS number, while it's huge forty seven plus million 269 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:56,919 already most of the salary has been paid, so it looks like a huge 270 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,159 number on the books, But it doesn't matter now because you know what the 271 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,399 trade market is. But you don't really know what else you could have done. 272 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,559 So you know, excuse me, you know what else you could have 273 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:07,400 done, and clearly there wasn't any better move out there. Otherwise you don't 274 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:14,000 make this trade. Alan Pinhoe says Lakers turn difficult Westbrook situation into three players 275 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:18,240 that fold in much better. Add this to Rudy improving Thomas Bryan at center 276 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:21,240 burning minutes you Todd did well with the pick. But Minnesota, Yeah, 277 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,640 I just talked about Minnesota, Allen. They not inspiring. I get it 278 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,880 from a fit perspective. I think Conley's better suited for a roster where when 279 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,039 Karnthy Towns comes back, you're gonna want him to be on Balsam in addition 280 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,720 to Auntie Edwards and Kyle Anderson. So I think he's easier to fit in 281 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,920 that dynamic and has the experience with Rudy. But there's no way, and 282 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:41,839 there's no way in hell that this is like an inspiring move for them. 283 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,000 I think it could be a better fitting one, but I don't know if 284 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 it actually elevates their ceiling. Might only elevate their floor. So I think 285 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,119 the jazz to get back to them did like fine, It's it doesn't have 286 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,240 to be overly inspiring. But if you could have would you have preferred Let's 287 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,480 say you could have gotten two additional twenty twenty three first round picks that we're 288 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:04,880 going to convey in the twenties, Why do you want that if you're Utah, 289 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,839 because you already have so many picks, like in general, that you 290 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:12,599 can afford to put something into the distance. They have their own pick this 291 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,640 year, they have Minnesota's pick this year, and then they have a first 292 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,240 round pick coming from Houston, Brooklyn, or Philly. It's at least favorable. 293 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:23,960 So you're already looking at three first round picks in the chamber. You're 294 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,079 not gonna do you what are you gonna do with a fourth and a fifth 295 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,039 one? So I would rather have the twenty twenty seven pick because it's right 296 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,160 now. Yeah, they do have two, or they have four. Now 297 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,960 they have four twenty twenty seven first but it's so far down the line you 298 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,400 can decide what you're gonna do with them. They're probably not going to keep 299 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,000 Cleveland's Minnesota as the Lakers send their own, but like by that point they're 300 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,599 gonna have a better hold of their rebuild. They'll be further along in their 301 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:48,200 timeline. Right now, you're kind of just kicking the can there. And 302 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,400 I think the other thing is they didn't They've been plucky and fun and like 303 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,599 in the you know, they're they're in the thick of the middle class of 304 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,960 the West. That's not why they traded Rudy Gobert and Don Mitchell. It 305 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,519 was too anger for something bigger, better, and so like, while they've 306 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:07,519 been surprisingly competitive, there's value in saying, Okay, well that doesn't fit 307 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,920 the bigger picture motif. And so what they did is they decided, hey, 308 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:17,640 we're gonna short the Lakers future while forefeiting no one mission critical to our 309 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,319 own. Do you think Beasley and Vanderbilt we're both going to be on this 310 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,839 team beyond next season, like going into their expiring dealsn't Conley for sure? 311 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,359 That was the age thirty six season. Doing that while also drumming up your 312 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,759 draft lottery odds this year. And look, we know what the league looks 313 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,680 like right now. There are some really bad teams that Jazz are not going 314 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,599 to catch up too. But like, you know, they could go on 315 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,319 a they could lose five sixth straight games and like all of a sudden, 316 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,000 they're in Orlando Magic territory, which is basically top five lottery odds at that 317 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,759 point, Like that that's a possibility, So you drum up your own draft 318 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:52,680 lottery odds there, and you also just have that effortless line too. You 319 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,920 know, I would probably have them at between forty and sixty million in cap 320 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,440 space. So that's look, that's for where they're at. I don't think 321 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,079 that that's bad value. I am surprised that the Lakers got this much for 322 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,640 their one first round pick, and as Ryan says in the chat, how 323 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:14,319 Lakers, how Lakers getting these deals? Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised, mostly 324 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:17,920 because general manager Rob Polinka has not done anything that I think inspires confidence in 325 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,720 him. Ryan also says Lakers to finals. I would respectfully yet strongly disagree 326 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:26,799 with that take. I do think they're more of a threat, as the 327 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:32,640 thumbnail that I put on YouTube should should show everybody. But I you know, 328 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,920 let's maybe maybe we should slow the role a little bit here. So 329 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:41,440 it's a it's a big time I think it's a big time win for them, 330 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,519 and I think that most of the players in Beasley and Russell fit seamlessly. 331 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:48,920 Vanderbilt I'm a little bit more skeptical on, but you could build certain 332 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720 lineups around him and look, maybe him and a D can definitely work. 333 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:55,440 It's definitely easier to play him with a D than it would be a Walker 334 00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:59,240 Kessler. So that's my impressions there. I think if you're to rank who 335 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:03,400 who may made the U, who made the who made out best in this 336 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,960 I would probably rank it as the Lakers first by a mile, and then 337 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,160 I think I'm putting the Jazz second, and then I like it the least 338 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,720 for the Wolves, even though I kind of understand it here. So that's 339 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,839 like, that's just where we're at. I think that then if there are 340 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:21,920 any questions, if you want to throw them in the chat about this trade 341 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,720 specifically, we'll get We'll get back to them as I continue rolling through this. 342 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:30,519 But I think I think that's really the more interesting h implication here out 343 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,039 of all this. I mean, it does I think maybe the most industry 344 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:37,400 ones, Oh, the Jazz are really just they're they're not about this season 345 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,200 at all, Like they're maybe they still kind of stumble into the plan because 346 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:44,480 Lowry Marketing and Walker Kessler are so good. Oshak Bashi has been really good 347 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,519 lately. They have Jordan Clarkson, of course, so there's a possibility that 348 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,440 they don't get much worse. But they've now you know, continue to stack 349 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,359 their deck for the future. And I think people need to look at this 350 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,759 in terms of cap space, even though free agency has changed, even though 351 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:02,720 Utah's not a desire the most desirable mark get. Having that flexibility absolutely matters. 352 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,880 So Pippin and from Ryan and Beasley and Pippen junior chemistry would be fire. 353 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:11,599 I'll take your words for that one. That one Ryan. So for 354 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,799 the Lakers of the implication here is just like they're clearly going for it. 355 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,519 I think a lot of people viewed some of the moments from a D and 356 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:25,200 Lebron when Lebron broke Kaream scoring record as something that felt like finality or closure. 357 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:26,440 A D just looked completely off that night. When you look at his 358 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,799 interview, his body language, the way he played on the court, I 359 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:33,480 thought he was hurt. There was like the one hustle play made was diving 360 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,319 into the stance or like a random loose ball. There was the sound bite 361 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,200 of Lebron like telling Ady he loved him. Hopefully Ady wasn't injured or going 362 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,480 through something, but that was sort of weird. This at least shows like 363 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,119 the Lakers are really committed to this core and I think it's not just about 364 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,559 this season. The m RS was only twenty six, Like this is something 365 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,880 that kind of gives them more of an open ended window and aligned to doing 366 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,359 other things over the summer. And look, this trade is objectively better for 367 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,640 them to me than giving up two first round picks and uh, you know, 368 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:06,240 to get Kyrie Irving. I would prefer this trade eleven times out of 369 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,440 ten to the Kyrie Irving scenario that was that was on the table for them. 370 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,759 Let's get to this other trade before I wrap up. So the Blazers 371 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:17,279 are trading Josh Hart to the New York Knicks in exchange for Cam Reddish, 372 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,880 Ryan Archidiacono, Shia mckail Luke, and a protected future first round pick. 373 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:29,119 I don't know that we've seen what pick is coming from the Knicks there. 374 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,200 Uh, it's going to turn into though it's a lottery protected and it's going 375 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:37,240 to turn into four second rounders. I don't like. Is that going to 376 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:41,359 be Dallas's or the Knicks? Is that the Knicks's own? There's a chance 377 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,359 that the Knicks still finish in the lottery, I guess, But if it's 378 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,759 if it's Dallases or the Knicks, my bet would be, like, you 379 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,599 know, neither of those teams are probably gonna finish in the lottery. The 380 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,480 Knicks are just sort of iffy there there's seven in the East. The Hawks 381 00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:57,440 have been parking up a little bit lately though they have lost two straight. 382 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,000 But then it's like, oh the Bulls, wrapp There's Wizards, Pacers or 383 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:04,920 any of those teams really gonna put pressure on the Knicks. Maybe they like 384 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:07,720 it feels like they'll get in via the play in and then Dallas I think 385 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,119 just might be a depending on when Lukadanci comes back and how the Kyrie Irving 386 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,319 fit works out, that that might just be like a flat out like playoff 387 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,119 team in the West, which is you know, that's fine. I don't 388 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,519 love the idea. Josh hart Is gives you some defense, some rebounding. 389 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,920 He is first team all, doesn't shoot as well from three for his career 390 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,480 as you think, but he's going to give you like a lot of just 391 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:36,039 gusto, as I think Clive Fraser would say in transition. And so maybe 392 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:37,960 that just adds like like a different cadence to some of New York's games. 393 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,440 But he's got thirty point four percent from three this year, almost sixty percent 394 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,119 on Two's again, a really good rebounder, not much of a score can 395 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,039 make. It can be like a just a fine ball mover, secondary passer, 396 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,480 someone who I think adds value, but he's going to be a free 397 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:53,200 agent. He has a player option. So if you're giving up a protected 398 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,559 first round pick here that that looks like my guests would be that it will 399 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:04,720 convey like I don't, I don't love it, like I don't love it. 400 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,880 I just don't. I don't. I guess I don't understand it. 401 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,279 He played with Jalon Brunson at Villanova, so that's super fun. What does 402 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,400 this say about how they're gonna flesh out the rest of the rotation. I 403 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,119 mean, if anything, look, the trade deadline is not done. But 404 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,240 when you look at the depth chart, like Josh Hart should probably and we'll 405 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,039 see if Tims is invented enough to do this, that's someone who could play 406 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,279 some small ball four and it's that gonna make it. You know, we're 407 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:36,599 just gonna bury Obie Topping even further in the rotation for that. I guess 408 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,000 you can look at it as Okay, now your wings are kind of Quentin 409 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,880 Grimes, RJ. Barrett and Josh Hart. That's not overkill by by any 410 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,440 stretch. And there you're gonna have a lot of good defensive minutes. If 411 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,440 you play him with quickly, if you play him with Grimes, and you 412 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,480 know, pair them with heart maybe Mitchell Robinson up front, there's gonna be 413 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,920 a lot of damage done there defensively, so it's not looking at their death 414 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,440 chart. It's not overkills. It seemed to me with First Clans. I 415 00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,720 just don't get. I know, you don't have cap space this year, 416 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,640 so you wouldn't have been able to sign them out right, But I don't 417 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,279 get giving up a protected first round pick here if it's just their own, 418 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,240 because I do think they're probably less likely to make the lottery than the Mavericks. 419 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:18,279 I'm not really sure. Perhaps I just, you know, I guess 420 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:25,480 it's nice that I don't know. It's I don't love this deal for that. 421 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:26,519 I can't get into it. It's just that it's going to turn into 422 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:32,519 four future second round picks if the if the selection is not conveyed this year. 423 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,119 I'm not like, I don't I don't love this. I'm just I 424 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,599 know the Knicks have two twenty twenty three first this year, and they could 425 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,559 technically have more, but the picks that they have from Detroit and Washington aren't 426 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,279 going to convey, so they have two twenty twenty three first two first round 427 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:55,559 picks in this draft is not overkill? And what is this? DJ ben 428 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,279 uh? Now, all we have to do is fire Pam whoa, that's 429 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,960 a Lakers trade comment. You want Darwinham fired already. I don't really know 430 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,240 that Darwin him has done anything that's warranted being dismissed in LA even if you 431 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,400 haven't been inspired by the job he's done. Look at the roster they gave 432 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680 him to start to see how much time if the Davis missed as well. 433 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,640 So yeah, I don't. I don't love it. I'm not gonna kill 434 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,440 the next for it, like I get it, I don't. I guess 435 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,720 some the logic would be, Ah, they were never gonna play two rookies 436 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,480 or even one rookie. That's the way that TIPS would operate. I just 437 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,039 two rookies is not It's not overkill here, So there doesn't need to be 438 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,640 like this, Oh we needed to move off of these picks. It would 439 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,640 be different if you had all four first coming in, but you don't. 440 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,119 We know two of them just aren't going to convey in Detroit and Washington. 441 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,880 So I just don't love it. I guess the fit is there, but 442 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,720 you don't do anything to improve your spacing here. I do wonder what does 443 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,440 this say about maybe there if you want to read superinto what does this say 444 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,599 about their faith and RJ? Barrett? Are they gonna they've just paid Barrett 445 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,920 his deal kick in, they're gonna pay Heart. You don't give up a 446 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,079 protected future first, I would say, if you don't plan on paying Heart, 447 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,720 just sort of a curious move. It feels very this season focused to 448 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,960 like really push their defense, which if you're betting on this quiet and saying 449 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,519 like we think this is gonna nudge us towards the playoffs, then yeah, 450 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,160 that's fine. I just I don't love this move for New York. If 451 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,839 I was to grade this one, I haven't written about it yet, but 452 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,720 I probably give it like a C. Maybe a C, maybe a C 453 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,160 minus, not a not a D. You'm not gonna kill it or anything 454 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:26,000 like that. I think it's fine for the Blazers. They get another conditional 455 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,440 first round pick that they can technically reroute as part of other deals, which 456 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,440 is good because they can't trade their own and their other picks are just encumbered 457 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,799 by that protection. To Chicago, they have lottery protected through twenty twenty eight 458 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:42,920 is the is that pick that they owe to the Bulls, and so that 459 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,839 definitely hamstrung them and other talks. You're also you get the flyer on Cam 460 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,680 Reddish if you're gonna keep him. So there's that. To consider the fact 461 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,079 that they took that they did a three for one here, it does mean 462 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:59,079 that there's probably more other moves to follow. We know that they were shopping 463 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,960 use of Kitch. It's we knew they weren't gonna keep Josh Hard and so 464 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,680 to get a conditional first round pick and a flyer on right as you're betting 465 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,920 that the Knicks are going to make the playoffs, essentially, let's say, 466 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,160 and that's a fine gamble to make. I don't love it for them, 467 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:15,359 but I think the idea that now you can trade the concept of a first 468 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,640 round pick because you can't guarantee it, but that was something you really couldn't 469 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:26,160 do before. Now that you can actually do that. Now that you can 470 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,599 actually do that, I think opens up some more doors for them. So 471 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,559 I'm very interesting what they do for the rest of this deadline or how much 472 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,960 Cam might even play. Fk Retro says, this heart being there hurt quickly 473 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,680 in grimes rotations at all. See I thought of it the other way. 474 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,440 To me, I think it makes less sense for the Blazers, but your 475 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,839 thought process makes sense. I'd be curious you could throw in the channel or 476 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,160 up there. Why do you think it makes less sense for the Blazers if 477 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,559 we're just operating under the assumption that they weren't going to pay Heart, just 478 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,519 with Jeremy Grant also about to get paid, and they just resigned, They 479 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:59,319 extended Dame, they resigned Simon's, they resigned nurk Kitch. I don't think 480 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,759 they were ever going to I don't think they were ever going to keep Heart, 481 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,519 and I don't think that they were ever you know, everyone talked about, 482 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,000 oh teams are interested in Heart. I couldn't really think of a no 483 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,759 brain or destination for Josh Hart. The Knicks were one of them. I 484 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,880 just never thought they'd give up a first for him, even conditionally. I 485 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,000 thought it'd be like Isaiah Hartenstein if the Blazers wanted another Reserve Big Look or 486 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,240 Cam Reddish in seconds to get Josh Hart, which, by the way, 487 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,720 that could end up being what this is. And that's perfectly fine for the 488 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:29,599 Knicks, but I for the Blazers, like, yeah, I do think 489 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,519 it's Josh Hart's been so I don't even like up and down this year that 490 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,279 I do think Blazers fans got not that they turned on him, but like 491 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,599 weren't super high on having him now or long term. And so you could 492 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,480 look at it as, Okay, we just lost someone who's averaging. I 493 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,799 think he was at thirty three plus minutes per game, but he wasn't scoring 494 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,359 a ton viewing, how are you going to replace his minutes? I guess 495 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,599 gets super interesting there because that look that is you know, no bones about 496 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,079 it, like that's those are a ton of minutes to actually so that you 497 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,599 have to figure that out. And Cam Reddish is not some bankable someone who's 498 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,960 gonna come in. He's not going to replace hearts rebounding, that's for sure. 499 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,440 He's not going to replace hearts. I guess like he has the he's 500 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,119 not going to replace hearts like kind of girth on defense. So look, 501 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,160 it's you could get there by okay, if Justice's Winslow is healthy, maybe 502 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,000 they're just playing on upping and shading Sharp's minutes. And then you also Gary 503 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:23,480 Payton the second pack, so that makes this a little bit more palable. 504 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,440 Addition to if not little is healthy, so you play him aton in addition 505 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,960 to, let's see what this flyer is on Reddish and if he pans out, 506 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,960 look maybe you have a cheaper option now that you get to keep in 507 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:38,119 restricted free agency. So I get the lottery from play even if you don't 508 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,079 love the trade for the Blazers, I get. And there are concerns, 509 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:42,680 like I said, how are you going to fill that rotation? I do 510 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:47,640 think they just have options where you're definitely not gonna lose too much offensively going 511 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,480 from heart to like the names that I listed, But Cam Reddish is such 512 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,599 a stab in the dark that there was a chance that, oh, did 513 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,200 we just trade Josh Hart for four seconds? And that's kind of just like 514 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,440 a whatever deal. But you also chance to get a first You've decided to 515 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,359 bet on the fact that the Knicks are going to make the playoffs, and 516 00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,440 the Knicks have decided, I guess, to not bet on the fact that 517 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,119 they're gonna make the playoffs, but that making the playoffs means something to them. 518 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,079 Otherwise you don't you don't give up this conditional first round pick. The 519 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,079 Reddish trade initial one those you gave up a conditional first that might never convey. 520 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,160 But now you've given up two conditional first. It's part of like to 521 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,400 get Cam Reddish and then to get rid of him, and you end up 522 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,039 with Josh Hart for two conditional first and that's what it amounts to. I 523 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,599 again, it's just like a like I don't really know how to feel about 524 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,079 that. I certainly I don't. I don't hate it. I don't love 525 00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:36,559 it. I don't know what I don't. I guess I really don't know 526 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,359 how to how to feel about it, but I will say that I think 527 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:45,960 that it's mostly just flat out uninspiring. I just don't really have a like 528 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,640 A I don't love this deal for the Knicks. I don't think you have 529 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,960 to love it for the Blazers, but I think it makes more sense for 530 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:53,720 them, and I like it better for them. DJ Ben has something on 531 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,400 the Lakers trade. The lineup hand puts out on the floor stupid in my 532 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,519 opinion, I'm sure he's going to mess up, even though we got some 533 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:01,240 good play years now, more spacing etched. But I don't think he's a 534 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,319 good coach. I just tell me what lineups he's playing that you're mad at, 535 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,839 and then what your alternatives would be when you're looking at which players have 536 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720 been available, which players are actually on the roster, I don't you know 537 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,200 you can quibble about some of them, like some of those really ultra small 538 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,519 Lakers lineups that we've seen over the course of season. Yeah, I get 539 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:21,759 that, but it's not like he was just dealt this hand that had all 540 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,279 these options here either, So I just I can't I'm not willing to really, 541 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,960 like, I know that Russell Westbrook was a scapegoat and that he was 542 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,319 not the sole reason that LA was where they was. That was on like 543 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:36,400 the front office and Genie Bus flat out like those are the people most responsible. 544 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,640 I don't know, even if you're not high on Darvin Ham, I 545 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:43,880 don't know that we've seen enough from him to just like with a quality roster 546 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,240 and a fully healthy roster, to make too many snap judgments about him. 547 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,279 We are probably getting to the point we're gonna wrap up here, So if 548 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,160 you have any questions, what were any other deadline questions you want to throw 549 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,240 in the chat? There's not a lot of other like real juicy news items 550 00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,680 going around. Did it see Boston's jail and down suffered a facial fracture per 551 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,559 shams and we'll miss some time. He took an elbow to the face from 552 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,239 from Jason Tatum. He's now sidelined through at least the All Star break. 553 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,840 He's gonna have a follow up with a specialist on Thursday. That's really something 554 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480 to monitor. Doubt it impacts Boston's trade deadline plans at all, but that'll 555 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,920 wind up being a huge loss for the Celtics. Predict, Oh, this 556 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,079 is fun. Predict the next trade right now? This is this is tough. 557 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,599 So who will be the next player to get moved? So now that's 558 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,679 sort of the Malik Beasley like one of the jazz Like all of the Jazz 559 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,880 dominoes have fallen and di'angelo Russell's off the table, and we kind of at 560 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,519 least as it could change, we saw it change with you know what what 561 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,880 Woud was saying about James Harden last year the day before the deadline, James 562 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,320 Harden isn't getting traded. The morning of the deadline, he was like, 563 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,119 oh, James Harden kind of wants out and there might be a deal coming 564 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,199 about. So we could see something like that with Kevin Durant as my point, 565 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,639 but I wouldn't expect it the team that I'm watching the I think the 566 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,320 Raptors will be the team that moved someone next. I'm gonna say that it's 567 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,960 going to be at least give me two players here, a Fred van Fleet 568 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,719 or o Gianna Noby trade. I do wonder if the fact that the Knicks 569 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:13,400 got Josh Hart means that they deemed o Gianna Noby ungettable and so that the 570 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,920 Raptors are less likely to move him. I still think like a Gary Trent 571 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,239 Junior or Fred van Fleet trade is eminently on the table. I would say 572 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,440 that two Gary Trent junior suitors are off the table. I'd like because the 573 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:29,159 Knicks were good Gary Trench Junior destination in my opinion, I thought they were 574 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:30,920 good for Mollie Beasley too, and I thought they were good. He was 575 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,199 a good target for the Lakers. I don't know if he still is. 576 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,920 When you have like, do you tray Mollie Beasley for Gary Trent Junior? 577 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,840 Like? Is that something you think Gary Trench Junior is enough of a defensive 578 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,559 upgrade. He's younger that if it was Mollie Beasley and the Raptors of value 579 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,480 having that team control of the next year rather than having to pay Gary Trent 580 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,199 Junior. Can we see that type of a deal Maybe, But I do 581 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:59,440 think we've kind of seen two potential G G T J destinations go off the 582 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,800 table here. Fk Rete, I'm leaning towards the Raptors traded something compass. 583 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,760 Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm wondering which player it will be 584 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,679 if we had a predicted player. I've I've been back and forth on everything. 585 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,320 At one point, I assume that og and and Nobi was basically untouchable, 586 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,880 and now I almost feel like he's the second most likely Raptor to be 587 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,760 traded, if not the most likely. I am just wondering what it says 588 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,159 about the Raptors willingness to move Og or his market in general, or they're 589 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,559 asking price that the Knicks have basically pulled themselves. They had the picks to 590 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,000 give up to get them. But I don't know why you would trade Josh 591 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,519 hard and then also turn around and get Og again. They could do it, 592 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,679 but I don't think that that's I don't think that's something they will do, 593 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,159 and so I'm just gonna look at Fred van Fleet here, and they're 594 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,320 the team that I'm watching. I think the other like teams that could define 595 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,960 the trade deadline now, especially look the Jazz again, maybe they surprise us 596 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,000 and move like a Clarkson or a Sexton, But aside from there, they've 597 00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,519 played there. It just feels like they've played all the players we were talking 598 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,719 about. It just it was Vanderbilt Willie, Beasley and Conley with a little 599 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,079 bit of a link and Clarkson and Sexton. Talks sprinkled and they've they've not 600 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:04,280 dealt the three most likely players to be traded. So yeah, that's just 601 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,400 like I think it's aside from Toronto, when we get I think Atlanta is 602 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,239 a team that could wind up to finding sort of the deadline. Do they 603 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,079 move John Collins and then also just sneakily Brooklyn because they prioritize the return in 604 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:22,320 the Kevin Durant trade. That screams, hey, we want to continue winning 605 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,599 now and we'll be open to moving these picks or other players. Do they 606 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:28,639 get in on the van Fleet sweep stays? But then we also have the 607 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,519 reports from which that Katie's talking to them about his future, and I don't 608 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:36,000 think if you're the Nets, I don't think you could make any other like 609 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:43,960 now focused trade without an assurance that Kevin Durant is going to stay, is 610 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,280 going to stay with you beyond this season. Like you can't just move that 611 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:52,679 like picks now on a lark. Like you definitely can't do that because if 612 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,480 he then he wants out, you've now like moved future equity there. You 613 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,320 don't recruit a ton of it in the Kevin Durant trade. But unless you're 614 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,800 getting a player back that you can then reroute for I guess like the similar 615 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:07,320 value or even more that you more than you gave up to get him, 616 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,480 that's just too much like an iffy proposition there. And so I'm wondering just 617 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,039 what they do. And I would like, you know, this is like 618 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,239 only tangentially related, but I really want if we're going through the teams that 619 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,239 I want Okay Record to say, yeah, I'm hoping FV and Collins both 620 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,599 get moved. Look, I just feel like John Collins needs to get moved. 621 00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:28,360 Miles Turner signed an extension with the Pacers, so now him being there's 622 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,480 on him. And I know Collins resigned with the Hawks as well, but 623 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,280 he's been involved in trade rumors for so long. But the offers that you 624 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,400 see out there for him are just so I know he has seventy five million 625 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,119 or whatever left on his deal over the next three years. Oh my god, 626 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,079 his value to me isn't that low. I think if you get I 627 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:50,360 think, if you like get him in a system where he can at least 628 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,519 be more of a roller, at least more often than he Isn't Atlanta now 629 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,679 that you're going to be fine. Indiana's the perfect destination for him, but 630 00:38:55,679 --> 00:39:00,480 you need a third team to send Atlanta immediate players teams that I want to 631 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,760 see make a move though. I really would like to see the Kings just 632 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,159 to get like, let's get weird. You're third in the West and your 633 00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,079 margin for error isn't that huge, Like what can you do? And then 634 00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:14,079 Phoenix, I'm just kind of looking at them there. If the character, 635 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,880 if the Clips get both Fev and Collins somehow be pretty happy. I would 636 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,280 be fucking floored if they were able to do that at this point. I 637 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,320 guess in that scen area, you're giving up both your swaps, a first 638 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,119 round pick and Terrence Mann. I don't know if that's enough to get you 639 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,079 both. I think they could definitely get one, and it wouldn't shock me 640 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,599 to see them get one. I'd probably prefer to see van Fleet there. 641 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,559 They've already been linked to Russell Westbrook on the buy out market, which is 642 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,559 a little concerning because this isn't even a shot at Russ. I just don't 643 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:43,000 think he's a great fit for that roster. It's like what if John Wall 644 00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,800 took even worse shots at some points. I just like he's been better than 645 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:52,559 john Wall this season. I just don't love to fit there, But I 646 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,559 would like to see, like, what's gonna happen with the Suns. They're 647 00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,159 they're kind of a what is this Dale Ruca No we talked about? Is 648 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,840 that in reference to Russ to the Clips or what what's happening there? You 649 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,159 worry about Rust to the Suns, but the Suns, I'm just very much 650 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:13,440 fk Retro and Russ to the Eclips. Yuck. I'm very much intreasing what 651 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,000 the Suns do because now that the Kevin Durant spector, which was already looming 652 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:20,800 over what they were always gonna do. How do you give up future assets 653 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,119 if you think that you might also, Yeah, this is to get back 654 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:25,920 to Westbrook from Mecca Rotter. You've been linked to the Bulls. That makes 655 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,880 no fucking sense either, Like I guess because you don't have Lonzo, But 656 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,960 no, I don't. I don't want to see Russ and de Rosen and 657 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,159 Lavine. No, that is not That is not a coherent team. I 658 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:37,360 don't know. The Bulls just can't get out of their own way if they're 659 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,239 gonna move one of those guys, like maybe, but it's not even Caruso 660 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,360 would have to be de Rosen or Lavine. And at that point, like, 661 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,239 what are you what, what are you like even doing if you're moving 662 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,599 to Rosen and then signing Russ, Like what is the actual endgame? I 663 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:54,480 struggle to see their in game now. No, Dala Muca, I'm not 664 00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,199 I'm not moving Russ to the Suns. That would be. They were interested 665 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,360 in Kyrie though, so I have question their decision making a little bit, 666 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,159 but to like to that end with the Suns now that KD is just very 667 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,199 very likely to be back on the table because if not this season, over 668 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,480 the off season after the Kyrie trade, can you justify I mean you could 669 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:20,440 justify, but how likely are you to trade a first like a future first 670 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,079 round pick, or even you're twenty twenty three first round pick, which is 671 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,360 just more valuable than it was before the Devin Booker injury. Quite frankly, 672 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,679 you could go the other route, though, and say, well, you 673 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,280 know the Suns are now fifth in the West, like they've quietly you know, 674 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,199 they're on a three game winning streak right now, like when eight of 675 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:37,000 their last ten the offense has been like ify without Devin Booker, but he's 676 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,840 back now you are quite literally only three losses back from being in the third 677 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,119 seed in the West, And so why wouldn't you just go for it even 678 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:47,559 if you can't kick KD But knowing that Pascal Siakam would be a target for 679 00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,840 this team, knowing that Kevin Durant would be a target for this team, 680 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,440 and then also knowing that those two players are more likely than not along with 681 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:58,159 other ones like what happens at brandon Ingram hits the market in New Orleans or 682 00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,679 whatever. But knowing that the star trade market is going to open up even 683 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,679 further over the off season, do you have the guts to make a bigger 684 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,079 trade now? And that would be a stark departure from the way that James 685 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:12,719 Jones is operated even when the trade market wasn't this turbulent where you knew that 686 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,760 you were coming off of Finals Birth last year, for instance, and you 687 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,960 didn't just go out and get Eric Gordon at the time. Maybe there's a 688 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,159 move they can make to sort of straddle, you know, can you just 689 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,519 get Eric Gordon for seconds and call it a day and say, like, 690 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,519 let's just see where this is will reevaluate over the off season. I know 691 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,440 they've been linked to Fred van Fleet. I don't hate that for them, 692 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,199 Actually, I just question what the package would be going out there. But 693 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,000 I also just questioned in general, well, how committed to you are you 694 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,239 to making a move when you don't know what's going to happen with Kevin Durant 695 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,800 and his future with the Nets, and you're gonna want to be in on 696 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,039 him and maybe even Siakam his future with Toronto, which again I do not 697 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,320 expect to be neither of these futures to be settled at the deadline, although 698 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,960 for a minute I was like pretty sure the Nets were just going to trade 699 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,440 Katief in the deadline. Hey, we have more than twelve hours to go 700 00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:58,400 though, like we have like fourteen or fifteen hours whatever it is, so 701 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,400 it's still technically possible. I don't I don't know what to expect from them. 702 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,719 They also have like having the new owner matt Ishbayah. I like you, 703 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:13,719 there's the there's the impetus of a new owner to want to do something 704 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:15,559 major whenever they come in. We've seen I mean, look at what happened 705 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:20,880 with Minnesota with Mark Larey and Alex Rodriguez coming in and they just go and 706 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,679 like they hired him Connelly and they made that Ridico bertrade, Like holy shit. 707 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,679 I don't know if something similar will happen in Phoenix, but like you 708 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,880 could see a little bit of that there as well. I do think it's 709 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,320 more likely that they do something disorder strato line in the middle. FK Retro 710 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,039 saying, also Eric Gordon is linked to the Clippers now too. Apparently he 711 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:43,039 would be interesting because he gives them some rim pressure in addition at three point 712 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,199 shooting and could probably play like he's not going to hurt your defense at all. 713 00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,880 I don't know what you give up to get him from, Like who 714 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,840 would the rockets they would want. I have no doubt Terrence Man. I'm 715 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,719 not moving Terrence Man for Eric Gordon. You can get to the salary pretty 716 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,920 easy. But I'd just be curious just to what are you attaching to get 717 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,199 to the money, Like if you're using Luconnard and Robert Covington and then another 718 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,599 salary, like what is it that? What is it that Houston wants for 719 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,159 me? Is it seconds like a flyer on Brandon Boston Junior or Jason Preston, 720 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,840 I'm your coffee. You can do that. I would probably do that. 721 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,840 I like that way better than Russell Westbrook will tell you that right now. 722 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,719 David Luca says a CP and KD aging will be very expensive. Yeah, 723 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:29,159 no shit. I will say that it helps that CP three could basically 724 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,159 be his last year next season because he doesn't have a guarant the full guarantee 725 00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,440 on the final year of his deal, but three more years of KD going 726 00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:39,000 into his age thirty five season next year. That is shout out. I 727 00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:42,280 said, no, oh my god, I'm taking it off the screen. 728 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,559 I know you're trolling Dave Muka, but that was just and then they come 729 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,400 out like you know that you've made a fucked up decision when you have to 730 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,639 come out and basically retract it. Like you saw the reporters who were I 731 00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:53,639 don't want to use the word in their pocket, but it might be more 732 00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:57,519 favorable to their comforts just coming out right away and saying, oh, no, 733 00:44:57,679 --> 00:44:59,760 no, no, there's been no, there's been no decisions made. 734 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,719 And I sayah, Thomas, that's how you know that you probably shouldn't have 735 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,960 even thought about doing that in the first place, especially that no teams should 736 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,559 have considered this, but especially given what the Suns have been what's been going 737 00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:15,360 on with their workplace culture over the past two decades. So yeah, that's 738 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,920 uh. And then for Eric Gordon to La Clippers, Yeah, you think 739 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,840 a third team is in there. That's a good point too. Is it 740 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000 like a I don't know, like how you set that up? Maybe maybe 741 00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:29,079 it's like an eight team trade to finally involved Jay Crowd or getting moved Joseph 742 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:34,320 Cruz, Are there any moves in Charlotte, sir at the moment, Joseph, 743 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,400 No, they should be one of the more active teams. I will 744 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,960 say there was the report that they really wanted to get a first round pick 745 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,639 for Mason Plumley. Then than Jazz got one first round pick for Beasley Vanderbilt 746 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,760 and Mike Conley. I think we'll tell you that you're not gonna get a 747 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,519 first round pick for Plumley. I did think that like three of their soon 748 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:57,039 to be free agents in PJ. Washington, Mason Plumley, John McDaniels, 749 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,800 and Kellyoobridge Junior would be moved. I still think will see a multiple of 750 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,320 those guys moved. Probably Mason Plumley is the most likely one, just because 751 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,320 John McDaniel doesn't seem like he'll be too expensive and he kind of plays like 752 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,840 a real position of need for them. At least with Plumbly, the air 753 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,679 parent is there and in Mark Williams, and you can also just go find 754 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,199 a Mason Plumley. But I John McDaniels is sort of a bigger wing type 755 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:22,519 that's harder to replace. Maybe Kelly bridge Yours expiring salary will be valuable to 756 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:27,000 someone, especially if they think he'll be healthy for the stretch run. But 757 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,159 I don't know for them specific with targets, I think they're probably more looking 758 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:35,039 to load up on flyers for youngsters or picks. Joseph does ask Is. 759 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,920 Rashaun Holmes had a conversation on it. I mean, he'd be interesting in 760 00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:43,400 Charlotte to pair with LaMelo Ball. I guess if you wanted to give up 761 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,000 Mason Plumley and something else for Rashaun Holmes, and the Kings are probably compensating 762 00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:50,360 you at that point a little bit because he's two years and twenty five million 763 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,239 left on his deal. You can afford to pay him because first of all, 764 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,800 I don't think his contract is that egregious if you actually play him, 765 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,559 but you know, we'll have to see maybe really has fallen off that much. 766 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,840 But they can afford to pay him more than most teams because Mark Williams 767 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,239 is just so cheap and so like if and I mean, look, look 768 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,360 if you went to if you went to Sacramento right now and said, we 769 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,519 don't even need compensation for Rashaun Holmes, like we'll just give you Mason Plumley 770 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,000 or even kellyer Bridge junior for Rashaun Holmes is like a trade that you could 771 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,920 flow, Like, yeah, I would do that if I'm Charlotte, just 772 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,320 to take the flyer on Rashaun Holmes. He'd be fun to pair with LaMelo 773 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,639 Ball. I also thought about if they were if they were looking to take 774 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,079 flyers here. I really think that they would be, and I proposed this 775 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,559 it was both loved and hated. I would love to see them be a 776 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,280 team like go to the nets and say, hey, do you just want 777 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,159 to get off of Ben Simmons's money, Like, well, we can fold 778 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:42,239 Gordon Hayward into this trade. So like that's like if they could, they 779 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,679 could just be a team that doesn't anything because they're so just They're not aimless, 780 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,159 but they're just they're so bad right now and they should just be They 781 00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:51,639 should be focused on either taking really big swings that don't mortgage their future, 782 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,360 or you know, just trying to take stabs in the dark on players that 783 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,320 they could reboot their value. I do like per Joseph if if you're looking 784 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,360 for just like another big that you want on the roster next season and it's 785 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,880 not Mason Plumley and you really just don't have faith in like Kai Jones, 786 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,559 or you don't want to bring back Nick Richards, who's gonna be I think 787 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,239 he's an early bird restrict to free agent this year and for some reason, 788 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,719 you don't want to play J T. Thor all the time. That's something 789 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,480 to monitor and then it's like it's cost controlled in a sense that, Okay, 790 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:20,679 we know we're paying Mark Williams nothing for Shaun Holmes is twelve million a 791 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,079 year or whatever it is, and then we're gonna have to pay PJ. 792 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:28,800 Washington this summer and that's like, that's not a terrible allocation of money to 793 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,159 your front court. So I'd like the Holmes is interesting there as long as 794 00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:34,880 it's not, Oh, we're really gonna like bury Mark Williams on the bench 795 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,679 behind him because he's shown a lot of flashes this year. Rob Sheldon hearing 796 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,199 plumbly could be a buyout and headed back to Denver, or is that just 797 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,599 what never wants to hear? I don't I can I say both. I 798 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:50,639 wouldn't shock me if he doesn't get traded that he becomes a buyout candidate just 799 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,199 because the Burdens don't need to anyone to suck. But if he wants to 800 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,840 play for a contender where he wants to play meaningful games, that will up 801 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,480 his value ahead of free agents. See, there's there's always buyout possibilities on 802 00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:05,760 the table. It's the same thing with it's it's not it's like apples to 803 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,639 oranges. Here a little bit because neurlands now Well is not playing as much 804 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,199 as Plumley is. But like that's why nourylans the Well is a buyout candidate. 805 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,840 Obama becomes a buyout candidate if the if the magic don't move him, 806 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,639 So wouldn't shock me if he comes a buyout candidate. I just when you 807 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,760 look at the teams that seem to be in the market for bigs or reserve 808 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,760 big men, Like if you just look at Portland, Toronto is still floating 809 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,519 around the Yacca Peartle sweepstakes. The Clippers are looking for a reserve big And 810 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,280 I'm not saying he's a good fit at all these places, but like the 811 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,119 Nuggets are one of the teams, and he could slide into their trade exception 812 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:38,599 as well, And so the Hornets might say, well, like why would 813 00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,880 we you know, we don't care about your luxury tax bill. Why can't 814 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,960 we just slide him into your your trade exceptions? Like given the number of 815 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,440 teams that seem to be in the market for another even Washington wants another big 816 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,159 man. I guess because they're playing Gafford and kp together a lot. Now 817 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,440 they want that other big to come off the bench. I would bet against 818 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,800 Mason Plumley being bought out at this moment. What do I think he's a 819 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,480 good fit for Denver? Yeah, I mean he beats like a lot of 820 00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,840 the alternatives right now, and like I love Zeke Naji, but I also 821 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,880 recognize that maybe he's not the like the like, the just the flat out 822 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,480 five. And then Jeff Green has been all over the place this season. 823 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,039 DeAndre Jordan has probably been better than expected, but just not the answer like 824 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,159 Mason Plumley. Just as a passer, if you want to run your offense 825 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,880 similarly to how you would with Yo Kitchen, I don't want to say siminarly, 826 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,519 but if you want to run stuff through your center, Mason Plumley can 827 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:31,840 do that. I don't know what the defensive drop off is going to be 828 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,280 there. I would argue that maybe from a stationary position he's better than Yo 829 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,599 Kitch, but in like like in terms of mobility, he's a downgrade there. 830 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,800 So Rob is with me, Good Glen, someone agrees with me. 831 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,719 It's almost I was doing look Shout out to our podcast listeners and even I 832 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,920 thought YouTube was mean, but Grant and I were doing the Bleacher Report live 833 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,079 stream. The other day, which we're gonna be doing that if anyone is 834 00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,880 still listening to this point five thirty Eastern time Trade Deadline Day winners and losers, 835 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,079 so come hang out with us there. We'll also be going live at 836 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,400 probably eleven PM Eastern Time to do our own podcast reacting to the trade deadline, 837 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,639 So mark all that down. But they were man. The commenters were 838 00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:14,559 brutal. They did not they did not like us, and they did not 839 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,039 like my appearance. They were making fun of me having spiky hair that I 840 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,559 guess wasn't thick enough to their liking, so they was and it was. 841 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,480 There was more than one comment. So thank you for everyone who's just like 842 00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:30,119 even the YouTubers who were normally mean, at least they're just criticizing my basketball 843 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:34,000 takes rather than my appearance, except when I get called to EMO to cover 844 00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,719 the NBA. So that was quite the experience. I'll stay on for a 845 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,079 couple more minutes if anyone has any other questions they want me to get to. 846 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,280 I know, we don't have as many people and here as we normally 847 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,880 do between Twitter and YouTube. It is, I mean, it's a little 848 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,320 bit. It's definitely later on the East Coast. I thought people would be 849 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,360 more interested in the Russell trade to the Lakers, but that's just a I'm 850 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,519 so interested to watch the Lakers now and I haven't seen if we if Lebron 851 00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,519 has tweet yet, because he's been very quick to tweet when stuff doesn't go 852 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:05,800 his way. But as he tweeted about this trade, yes, i'mon't have 853 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,559 to let me know since I can't really be up on Twitter right now. 854 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,199 Kyrie is apparently killing it in his MAV's debut, so this is gonna be 855 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,639 you know, where he tricks everyone to think everything's gonna be fine before it 856 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,480 sort of implodes. Another question from Joseph Cruz, is Charlotte's Charlotte for a 857 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:24,440 chance in top five picks in the draft or maybe Wemby or Scoot Yeah, 858 00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:30,280 I mean, let's let me bring up there at Kankathon odds or Pankathon odds 859 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,320 right now. So if the season ended today, they're gonna the fourth best 860 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:37,280 lottery odds. So could they If you're wondering, can they out tank and 861 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,920 get into the you want to get into one of the top three spots so 862 00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,719 that the odds are flattened. Can they catch up too? I think Houston, 863 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,159 San Antonio and Detroit are the bottom three teams. Yeah, they're tied 864 00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:51,400 in lost colum with the Spurs. And so look, if you're Charlotte, 865 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,000 that thatcher and said to be like Mason Plumley, gone, let's get rid 866 00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:57,800 of that. Let's even get rid of PJ. Washington at this point. 867 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,159 But you could end up with top three pottery odds, which will give you 868 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,559 the best chance of landing a wemb or scoot, even though it won't be 869 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,800 guaranteed. So yeah, there, I'll look quite frankly right now, I'd 870 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,320 probably be shocked if the Hornets don't have a bottom five record, just because 871 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,360 the teams in front of them. I don't think Orlando or India is gonna 872 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,880 actively tank. And then the Lakers the Wizards are all trying to win, 873 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,480 Blazers trying to win the Thunder and the Thunder and maybe the Pacers kind of 874 00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,000 or Thunder and the Raptors. Maybe you're like sort of in that in between. 875 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:29,199 We'll see what Toronto does at the deadline, but there's not as much 876 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,519 of a clump when you're looking at the bottom of the league. So like, 877 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,679 yeah, there's Charlotte's locked in I would say to the fourth worst record, 878 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,800 Joseph, they have forty one losses through fifty six games. The next 879 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,440 team, the next worst team is the Orlando Magic that has thirty three losses 880 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,880 through fifty five games, and so like we're talking about an eight loss lead 881 00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,599 there, the Hornets would have to go on to caps lock or run. 882 00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:57,480 If you're worried about out tanking some of the some of the like other teams, 883 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,639 than yeah, like you're you're in a rush to move things. But 884 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,159 if you're worried about the Hornets winning too many games to fall out of a 885 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,159 top five spot, I think I think you're fine. Like if they if 886 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:12,679 for any reason, Sirie be quiet, please God. If for any reason 887 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,239 the Hornets don't finish with a top five records, something weird has happened somewhere 888 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,000 Charlotte ripped off a crazy winning streak, or more likely, I would have 889 00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:25,159 to applaud the tank jobs of the like the Pacers or the Magic or the 890 00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:30,360 Wizards who have twenty nine. Yeah, there's just don't worry, Joseph. 891 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,360 The Hornets are locked into a bottom four record and they have a real chance. 892 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,360 There's so the four worst teams are the Hornets fifteen and forty one, 893 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,519 the Spurs fourteen and forty one, the Pistons fourteen and forty two, and 894 00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:43,719 the Rockets at thirteen and forty two, you could feasibly end up being the 895 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,800 worst team in the league. But if I had to predict, will they 896 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,599 finish with a bottom three record, I think it's gonna be hard to out 897 00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,960 tank San Antonio, Detroit and Houston so long as you're playing everybody. Now 898 00:54:53,039 --> 00:55:00,639 if we get into thank you for the kind words, Rob especially, but 899 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,239 if you're trying to outank those other teams and you have Lamello, who I 900 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,559 know has been banged up a ton this season, like you have players that 901 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,760 are probably helping you win a little bit more like the coaching with Steve Clifford 902 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,360 is definitely a better coach than looking at Steven Silas, I'd probably even rank 903 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,800 him above Dwyn Casey at this point. I'm not gonna put him above Pop. 904 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,679 But the Spurs are just so barren of experience, and they are I 905 00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,480 would guess they They are a team to watch the trade deadline now too. 906 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,320 They are someone that's going to be I would say, materially worse after the 907 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,000 trade on like between Josh Richardson, Doug McDermot and Zach Collins and Jaco Purdle. 908 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,199 I think at least two of those guys get moved or at least one. 909 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,760 Josh Richardson seems like the one that everybody should want and could the Spurs 910 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,480 Would they be willing to get rid of him for you know, a few 911 00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:42,360 seconds, and just like salary or whatever, they can draw up their return 912 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,719 because they have cap space. If they're willing to take on bad money. 913 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,760 Maybe one of the funniest challenge trades would be like Josh Richardson, Zach Collins 914 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,760 and Doug McDermott for Ben Simmons and like, let's just try to rehab Ben 915 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,679 Simmons's value in San Antonio. So this was a lot of fun everyone who 916 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,920 joined us. So we made it this far. And if not subscribe yet 917 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,159 YouTube or on your podcast player, hit that sub button on YouTube, subscribe 918 00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:05,360 to as an Apple, Spotify, Stitch or whatever. We do put out 919 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,480 a lot of content here. We're podcasting a lot lately, and I'm sure 920 00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:12,159 it's going to pull back after the deadline. I am. I will say 921 00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,480 I'm excited to be able to I like focusing on new fits, and I 922 00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:17,960 do love the trade deadline, but I'm excited to be able to Like it's 923 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,559 really hard to and I still I've done it, but it's like really hard 924 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,719 to watch basketball this time of year while you're also running around and writing and 925 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,000 podcasting and trying to track all this different different stuff. And so I'm a 926 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,679 little bit more like frenetic and higer than it normally ends. I'm like kind 927 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,039 of looking forward to the end of this week and like being able to focus 928 00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,480 more on what's happening on the court. But it's always fun to do these 929 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:40,440 things. We'll have to try and I think we'll try and do more live 930 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,239 streams just in the future, since they do seem to play fairly well on 931 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,960 YouTube. Hopefully they're not insufferable to listen to and podcast form for our listeners 932 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,920 who are doing an audio, but again, subscribe if you've done all that, 933 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,280 tell people about us, shout outs on Twitter, retweeting our promos, 934 00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,280 sharing our podcast, just whatever you can do to help us can tinue to 935 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,320 grow the community, and again join our discord day. I know Dala Muka 936 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,840 is in here. He can attest one of the driving forces behind how fun 937 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,239 our discord is, so go join Discord. Link is in the podcast and 938 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,079 YouTube description. Thank you all for listening. This was a blast and until 939 00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,880 next time we could shout out to one the only, the key X factor 940 00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:23,000 to the Mavericks Championship Hops, Frank Nila Keith.