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Welcome to this edition of The High
Strangest Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal UK

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Radio Network. I'm your host,
Steve wd Andy Mercer and I have been

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interviewing interesting people in the realm of
the paranormal and unknown for half a decade.

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There's no reason why we can't make
it a full decade. Annie Mercer

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can't be with us tonight, but
I have an earth shattering announcement coming up.

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Welcome Susie Bastiel, Welcome back.
Hi Steve, how are you?

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Thanks for having me back. I
am beyond wonderful and what I'd like you

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to do first is let everybody know
how to find you and the kind of

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things you're doing online on Facebook and
so forth. Yeah, you can find

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me on YouTube, the Puck Wedgy
Whisper. I also have a blog puck

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Wedgies dot blogspot dot com, so
of course I talk about Puck Wedgies.

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I also talk a lot about some
ancient stone sites in New England, and

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on my YouTube channel we talk about
any kind of fake news that needs to

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be dispelled in the paranormal world.
I will say, so you think there

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is some fake news out there,
there is definitely horse loads yes, next

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way to put it. Coincidentally,
we're going to be dealing with that tonight.

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Should we tell people about the susiecam
that they can find on your Facebook

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page? Yeah, there is.
There's actually a Susiecam compilation on YouTube as

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well. So when I am out
in the swamp looking for puck wedgies or

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whatever else you and find in the
swamp, I have started wearing a cam

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to get a Susie POV of me
trapesing through the swamps of New England.

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Should people take jeramamine before they watch
that. Absolutely. I am a very

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small person, so it's a little
bit rough getting through some of those trails.

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It's very good, Okay, without
any further ado, I know people

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are budding their nails that are on
the edge of their seat. The announcement

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I have is that well andymrs and
I have been doing this for about five

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years, Susie Bastile will also be
an equal partner in the highest Rasis factor.

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So you can you can all applaud
if you want. Congratulations comes up.

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That's good, thank you. It
is a huge honor to be included

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with the likes of Steven Andy.
Well, you know I used to make

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a lot of stupid jokes about pay
raises and all that sort of thing.

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But I want you to know I
have matured and I'm not gonna do any

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more stupid pay raise jokes. You
matured since you to me two weeks ago.

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Yes, that's right, but think
to the prestige. You know,

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you'll be on the street and say
hey, I'm a member of the High

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Strangers factor, and they'll say what
So anyway, it'll be a lot of

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fun about any further ado. Let's
let me introduce our guests today. You

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can just click on the right part
here, okay. Jackie and Bill Kuslis

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are Phenomenology Research Professionals PRP. They
are the authors of Bridging the Tragedy,

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a psychological study based upon the nineteen
sixty seven Silver Ridge disaster in Point Pleasant,

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West, Virginia, Mothman, and
post traumatic growth, a phenomenon that

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often occurs after tragedy. They are
quantitative researchers who seek to understand the connections

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between psychology, spirituality, and the
paranormal by applying the scientific method. Bill's

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interest in the paranormal began in the
late seventies with the original Project UFO television

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series in two thousand and three,
was introduced to the Mothman Prophecies movie and

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it changed his life. Jackie is
a retired postmaster and a current business owner

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operator. She specialized in research,
data analytics, and connecting the dots between

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intuition, perception and reality. She's
a first hand paranormal experiencer, including UFOs,

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disembodied voices, apparitions, and psychic
phenomena. On much First. Twenty

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twenty four, they embarked upon their
next study, which investigates the relationships between

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trauma and paranormal experiences. Like Reaching
the Tragedy, they intend to focus on

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the positive outcomes that their participants had
gained by experiencing these phenomena. If you

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are interested in participating in the study, they welcome you to contact them.

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They live in Sycamore, Illinois,
sixty miles northwest of Chicago, but closer

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to cornfields than skyscrapers. Sam Moranto
is an investigative researcher best known for his

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work on the TI Hindley Park mass
sightings of two thousand and four, the

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O'Hair gate C seventeen UAP incident of
two thousand and six, and others.

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These mass sightings have been featured in
several television programs such as the History Channels,

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UFO Hunters episodes, Invasion Illinois,
and Aliens at the Airport, Datelight,

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NBC's ten Best UFO Encounters, and
many more. Two other noted investigations

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were the Lake Cook car Incident of
two thousand and eight and the Chicago Mothman

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Saga of twenty eleven to present.
Each were featured in popular television shows,

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documentaries, books, and publications.
As a guest on radio and television shows

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as well as a requested public speaker, Sam has always made it a point

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to emphasize the fact that the UFO
UAP phenomena is genuine, yet each account

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must be evaluated on its own merit. Sam has been a media consultant,

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UFONT field investigator since one Star Team
member, photo Analyst, Photo Analysis Team

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Member upon State Director of Illinois since
two thousand and seven. His experience with

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the UFO phenomenon began in October nineteen
fifty nine. He delivered his first presentation

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on the topic in nineteen sixty seven. Lady and gentlemen, welcome to the

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High Strangels Factor. Evay. So
tonight we're going to talk about at least

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that we're going to start to talk
about a so called Chicago Mothman phenomenon.

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Now, when I do shows and
so forth, sometimes mostly at Mothman Win

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O one, a lot of that
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and a lot of them have no
idea of the controversy surrounding it. So

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anyone, if you can answer this, or all of you can, what

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would you what would you tell somebody
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history of this, Uh, these
incidents and uh and the sort of questionable

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sightings of some of them, questionable
reports of some of them. Well,

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I had the first report that ever
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move on and uh, of course
we got bad rapped all the way through

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because we actually do investigative work on
this subject matter, because it was a

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flying object. Now, as far
as an encapsulated description, it is a

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phenomena unto itself, because we discovered
things elements to this that were not obvious,

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let's put it that way. And
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could ever imagine. There is hoaxing, There is nonsense. There are obviously

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misidentifications human things that you would expect. But below this, even those individuals

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that are obviously trying to hoax or
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an element, a theme, or
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that one cannot normally expect to find. I can tell you that we had

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of the first in two thoy and
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of course, it would have been
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have that come in being August twenty
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that's when. And the funny thing
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came in in October thirteenth, twenty
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think of you should know all this
quite well would have been during that time

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period would have been the tenth Mothman
Festival in Point Pleasant. And it just

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so happened who was on the radio
that morning and that evening the day prior,

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Bill Well, The evening that the
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or the date that was given when
they were reported, was when Andy

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Colvin was on Coast to coast day
on the evening before. So it's as

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if the message was out there and
something or somebody responded to it exactly.

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And the person who took what happened
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lived in the area, and it
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If anybody knows the location, I
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probably, Oh, I don't know, maybe a thousand times, because it

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was in my neighborhood and I'd passed
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location had this huge statue of a
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and at the right angle its thumb
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So it became extremely famous. And
the guy that came back into town and

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he grew up in that neighborhood,
but he wanted to take a picture of

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it, so he takes a photo, unknowing to him that there was something

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else in that photograph. When he
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looks at it, he sees this
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what the heck it is. It's
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was the twenty second of August.
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of two thousand and four was the
first mass sighting in Tinley Park,

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so that may have sprang into his
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that. But either way, word
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the way, it didn't get reported
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slow today. October thirteenth was when
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So that report comes in. Then
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another report comes in, and that
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these two young ladies who were running
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out. And the narrative's pretty hysterical. It sounds like a B movie,

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wouldn't you say, Well, and
everything except quality details that you would need

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to get the description of what may
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orange, right, orange lights and
red lights were that looked like eyes peering

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through there I think was third third
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which doesn't exist in that area because
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a sudden, they decided they had
gotten a call from a boyfriend. One

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of them. They're screaming. These
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this is going on, and noticed
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A light minds you a light into
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the opposite of what a light means, and it takes off. But yet

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the funny thing is they said they
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moonlight and the you know, the
moonlight being a near full moon. It

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was sixteen percent. I believe it
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was no way that that was relevant
because it was also raining out, So

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there was a lot of conflicting data
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bat, when you take a look
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truth, the other account i'dn't even
pay attention to because everything started to spring

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back into reality in two thousand and
seven, and unfortunately people have the dates

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wrong. Were the first report in
twenty seventeen, excuse me, was on

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April to seventh in Oz Park.
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oz scenario, and I think you'll
find it interesting getting back to the August

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twenty first sighting. Apparently the sighting
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just two eyeballs or something red lights
looking at them, supposedly, and that

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took place on September thirtieth. It
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nine days in between the two sightings. And then of course that event was

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on the thirtieth, and the thirtieth
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you divide those, of course you
see that they're prime numbers to visible by

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thirteen and it comes out to three
and one. Then what happens is the

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very next day back and we're still
in twenty or twenty eleven, yeah,

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twenty eleven. All of a sudden, another report goes comes into this other

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reporting center where this individual is taking
a break from his studies and they're out,

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he's out or she's out, we
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gone to the park and this would
be near the University of Chicago, where

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they see this large man with wings
flying over and they thought at first it

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was somebody on a hang glider,
and as it got closer, the person

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says, it reminded me of a
large sugar glider that I would normally have

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seen back home in Tasmania. Now, when I seen Tasmania, first thing

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that comes to mind in my mind
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because it's an island state of Australia, and it was just it struck me

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as being so unusual when I read
that. Now, that was a October

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the fourteenth, So we have these
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by thirteen except for that oddman there. Now, what happens from October thirteenth

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to April the seventh is a span
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between the two. It doesn't It's
very strange, and two thousand and two

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is highly significant when it comes to
Mothman scenario. Of course, that was

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the first Mothman Festival and it was
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I found this so interesting that we
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in oz Park in two thousand and
seventeen, which of course is the fifty

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year anniversary of the event of the
Mothman Festival. Was celebrating the fifty years

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of the event that Silver Bridge collapse, et cetera. And the event that

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actually took place or said took him
place in oz Park. By the way,

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oz Park is an interesting park in
itself that it's thirteen acres point almost

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thirty one thirteen point thirty one and
it lies within an area that is an

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opt to triangle that is remnant to
a nomon. You know what a nomon

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is on a sun dial. It's
also a highly significant image in Masonic imagery

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and symbolism. And it repeats and
repeats again where we have these un usual

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occurrences. Now Here, she is
walking through the park and I'm assuming it

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was around seven point thirty because I'm
recalling it. The individual that received the

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report actually stating that they interviewed this
person who was a corporate attorney of some

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ten years and lived nearby two blocks
away to be exact. And this would

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be in the DePaul University area,
the northern section. It would be the

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northern campus. And she's walking through
the park and in the park they have

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in the Yellow Brook Road the park, you have her walking her little terrier

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dog, and the dog is a
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terrier. That was of course Toto
in the movie, which by the way,

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began shooting October thirteenth, nineteen thirty
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knew that. And the funny thing
is the Wizard of oz Oz appears for

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shooting. By the way, Morgan
Frank Morgan. He played five parts in

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The Wizard of Oz. He showed
up on October the fourteenth for the Force

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first day of shooting. So here
she is, she's walking her dog by

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the way. This is the only
case where it came in where they actually

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assigned an anonymous or a fictitious name
to the individual. The individual. The

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name they gave to the individual was
Tammy. Now Toto's real name is Terry.

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What was what you could see in
the actual report an interview is a

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very in depth amount of detail given
to how intelligent the dog is. And

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you see a lot of these reports
that came in from certain individuals, a

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lot of emphasis emphasis on animals and
their knowledge of these animals. It's very

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interesting. So here she is,
she's walking through the park. She turns

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around and she's facing an area that
would be where they have the baseball diamonds.

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There's four baseball diamonds out there.
They also have bright lights at that

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time going on like stadium lights,
two sets of them, and the field

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by the way was in disrepair,
looked like heck. And I actually have

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an aero photo from satellite of the
park that day showing that there were people

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out there playing baseball, having a
good time earlier in the day, and

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I'm assuming many of them may have
still hung around later because it was nice

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out. In fact, as she
said, I gave my my exercise of

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she had one or these treadmills.
She gave the treadmill a break, another

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person giving a break because we are
going to have we have nice weather.

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We take the dog out and we
encounter, you know, some scary ass

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thing, you know, seven feet
tall with wings sticking up out of its

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back. And she was so a
gas by it that she was actually frozen

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in place and then had to sit
down and watched it as it alighted.

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Is it this one didn't light it
actually jetted it into the air. And

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the funny thing is the description reminded
me of so many other things. First

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of all, the first encounter that
Dorothy had, of course, was with

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the the Scarecrow. Now, when
you think of some black, scary object,

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you know, scary tall being jettising
up into the air. I was

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introduced to the movie that horror movie, Jeepers Creeper. Are you aware of

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that movie at all? Yeah,
the characteristics were very similar to that,

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And of course Jeepers creepers is what
you would say if you didn't want to

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take Jesus Christ's name in vain and
say, oh Jesus Christ, you say

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jeepers, creepers. And the funny
thing is in the movie of Cheapers Creepers,

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there is in one of the series
where there or there is scarecrows being

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placed on cross as there's three Did
you ever see that? There were three

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crosses and they were putting up the
scarecrow, and the boy turns and he

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sees it and it comes to life
and gets him. Well, three crosses,

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of course you're thinking resurrection, crucifixion, etc. Cheapers Creepers. It

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all falls in line and the scarecrow
and they're using a scarecrew. And what

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happens is during this whole period of
time, she gets frightened and she's thinking,

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well, it could tear me from
limb to limb. But then she

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says, oh, I wasn't really
afraid, as I felt that maybe if

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I don't disturb it and provoke it, it won't hurt me. And maybe

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it's just like the geese. Like
the geese migrating through, imagine a bunch

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of these things migrating through now,
this is an attorney, okay, and

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the first person she calls or sends
a report to is this website instead of

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the police. And the reason why
they sent it in is because they were

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so concern about the well being of
people in the community and what may happen

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if they go to the park.
So and by the way, during this

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period of time, not far from
there, it was at one five four

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to three Division, which would be
south from there, at the Chopin Theater

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they had that it was The Terrible, the Wonderful and Terrible Wizard of Oz

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being played at seven point thirty.
An interesting coincidence. Now, of course

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L. Frank Baum, the creator
of the Wizard of Oz, wrote the

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book The Wizard of Oz in of
all places is Chicago, and he lived

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in Humble Park, and I believe
his address was like sixteen sixty seven Humble

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Drive. And when he lived there, he would he actually named the Elbuck

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Road after the streets, the street
itself, how the light would glisten off

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of it, So it was.
It's a very interesting thing. There's far

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too much to go into with L. Flang Baum, but I'll introduce you

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to him. And the fact that
that wasn't the only book that he wrote

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that year. There was another book
that introduced another character, which was a

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dragon, which is also a drake, and that's very important. The first

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three reports that came in had automatic
tie ins with the Wizard of Oz.

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The next report we received was at
a very large market, and it was

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a produce market where this gentleman comes
in on his two o'clock shift, looks

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up and and sees that there's this
strange owl looking, large owl looking creature

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on top of the roof, and
in a matter of time they start throwing

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rocks at it. Now does that
sound familiar at all, the throwing of

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rocks, Yes, Like, I
think what you're referring to Sam is Faye

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de Witt and her brother in their
sighting at the I think the North Power

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Plant where they were throwing rocks at
the mothman creature that was on top of

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the building. There was all these
correlations, like with multiple other things,

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and always there is always something having
to do with the original point. Pleasant

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The other thing is on the day
that happened or the report came in or

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where it took place, was on
Easter Sunday. Now we have the resurrection,

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Okay, the resurrection. Now that
first report in twenty seventeen did not

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come to move On. It went
to this other source, but that was

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the same individual and website that received
the two prior ones that I mentioned in

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twenty eleven. So here we have
a scenario. One report comes to move

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on, two reports come to this
other individual, and then in twenty seventeen

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they get the first report. Then
two more reports come in to us,

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that being the one with the owl
and or they were throwing rocks at it.

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The funny thing there is the individual's
last name is one of the characters

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from The Wizard of Oz, which
would have been the next one or the

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last one that they would meet.
The area that it's in, there are

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seventy seven areas within the city of
Chicago. That area is called the hard

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of Chicago, and it's just in
that area is known as number thirty one.

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There's just like gobs of things related
to these underlying undertow of numbers and

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very unusual stuff. I have a
couple of questions, what do do you

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do? We know what kind of
IP addresses? Thank you for coming from

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Yes, So if the first three
we had one more event take place,

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and that place took place. That
took place in the Humble Park area.

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Again, you see the correlations there
in the Humble Park area where this gentleman

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on Easter Sundays with his son and
his homies. By the way, nobody

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says homies anymore, at least not
out there. It's weird and all of

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a sudden, you know, somebody
scared it and it took off. But

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anyways, that individual's name also ties
in with correlation with L. Frank Baum,

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and that has to do with the
other character, an creature, a

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drake. So I can't say the
names, but you know what I'm saying

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it, I'm going in. Now. What we have is two reports coming

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in that short period of time.
Then we had one more report that is

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supportive that comes in a day earlier. Apparently took place on April the fifteenth.

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April the sixteenth was when those other
two events took place, which was

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Easter Sunday, and that report came
in from a teacher who was with her

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husband. Well, by the way, what's interesting is they give descriptions of

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hythe the one individual who I just
mentioned at one location where we're throwing rocks

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at the the owl, the massive
owl, he was six foot two.

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Now at this other the next report, which was from a marina in Chicago,

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they were out on the lake,
mind you, They had small craft

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warnings, the wind was horrible,
and they're out on the lake celebrating at

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around nine something at night, and
they're out two miles mind you, and

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she sees through the moonlight that there's
these large bat like creatures and she states

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that these are larger than a fox
bat because she knows what that looks like.

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She's looked it up and it was
bigger than her husband was six foot

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four. Now, obviously, the
way she was able to figure that out,

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her husband must have been flying standing
next to it, or maybe one

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of these things came down and they
took a photograph. Who knows, but

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there's absolutely no way, first of
all, that there was moonlight out because

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the moon wasn't up for approximately two
more hours, and being on the this

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would have been like one of the
first days you'd get out on the lake.

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It was a nice day, but
it was crazy the weather, you

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know, the lake was nuts and
it was extremely cold. You wouldn't survive

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long if you fell in the lake
during that period of time. It seems

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so out of touch with reality.
And apparently they said they took a photograph

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but it was too dark. I
don't care how dark it is. You

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attach it to your file and said
to it. Meanwhile, to your point,

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the three of the three reports that
we received, two of them came

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from the same ipatris, which is
what is it one day one out of

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eight billion to one or something like
that, and it obviously tells you it's

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the same Yeah, it's the same
source, same router, not server necessarily.

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Now those are the first three,
and I'll take some more questions and

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let Bill talk a little bit there. Susie, do you want to step

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in here? I am a little
bit. You mentioned my favorite movie first

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of all, Cheepers Creepers, and
then you know, we got into the

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symbolism and the numerology a bit,
so Jeepers Creepers comes back. I would

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believe it's every twenty three years.
Have you found connections with that number and

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these sightings at all? Twenty three
years for twenty three days? What is

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that equal? So twenty three plus
twenty three is forty six the amount of

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people who passed away into Silver Bridge
disaster. It's also the same distance between

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bridges. Once the Silver Bridge collapsed, remaining bridges that were closest to Point

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Pleasant were Huntington and Pomeroy, forty
six miles between the two of them.

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Also, Okay, so now help
me out here. Some at least some

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of these reports have a lot of
problems with them. Buildings that aren't that

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tall, the weather's not right,
obviously, somebody's spinning a tail the same

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IP address in some cases, however, we what are we talking about?

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Coincidence, synchronicity? Are they are
people creating this stuff to mirror elements of

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the Wizard of Eyes? Are they
that smart? That's where the weird stuff

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jumps similar stuff? I could?
Yeah, because Steve, what I'd like

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to do is share with you guys
a little bit, with probably Jackie's help,

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especially about some of the things that
we found in doing ghost box sessions,

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both in Thatcher Woods, which is
close to where a lot of the

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sightings were reported in the Chicago Land
area by O'Hare Airport, and how that

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connected to Parkersburg, West Virginia,
and how that connected to the two endy

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Way Park, which is right where
the rivers come together Endpoint Pleasant. Can

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you talk about that the you mean
me, Well, I mean Jackie,

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can you talk to that? Okay? Well, the first ghost bock session

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was in Robinson Was, which is
said to be the most haunted woods in

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Illinois. And it's right in youar
O'Hare Airport And that's why it was done

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there is because the reports were coming
in at O'Hare Airport and there are several

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questions asked, but one of the
questions was what does thirteen and thirty one

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have to do with it? Because
thirteen and thirty one keep popping up all

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over Chicago, all over Point Pleasant. And the response from it was a

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place to go visit. So a
friend of ours and she got it on

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the internet and was looking at,
you know, places in Point Pleasant that

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would be intersections of thirteen and thirty
one. And we took her to Point

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Pleasant with us and Bill state back
in Point Pleasant, but she and I

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went to up near Parkersburg. It's
a suburb right outside of Parkersburg called Vienna,

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I believe is the name of it, and there was an intersection of

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thirteen and thirty one and it's just
this little quiet neighborhood and we were kind

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of, you know, leary about
should we do a ghostbox session here.

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I mean, it's the middle of
the day. Do we want to sit

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around a corner in front of this
shotgun style house and do this? And

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we did. We decided to heck
with it, We're doing it. So

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we did this ghostboy session and all
kinds of strange things were coming up.

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We did actually an esta session is
how we did it. And my friend

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was wearing the headphones and the blindfold, and I was asking the questions and

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I was getting stuff like a key
or the key. Can't remember everything,

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but basically it was bones. It
was the key or the keys coffin,

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just like all kinds of like really
strange things. And set a park and

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it talked about the park, and
so right down the road a little bit

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from there was a park, and
we went to that park and we're like,

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you know, we weren't getting anything. We didn't know what the park

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had to do with it. So
we went back to Point Pleasant and you

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know, stopped and di little sight
seeing on the way. And we got

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back to Point Pleasant and we found
Bill and we went to two Indy Way

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and we're like, oh my god, a park a park and the said

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something about Native American and of course, Chief cornstocks seven remaining bones are at

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two Indy Way Park with his obelisk
there for him, and so we did

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a ghostback session there and I'm not
even sure what came from that ghost back

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session, but somehow we ended up
going out to the T and T thinking

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we were going to do a ghost
back session. At the T and T.

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We were trying to contact Mothman.
Moth Man didn't come through, but

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we we decided not to do it
at two and out at the T and

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T area and we went to uh
we were we wanted to go to Charleston

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because of the bridge collapse down to
Charleston. Sam asked us to go down

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there, you know, and just
look at the confluence of where the river

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was where the bridge collapsed. And
we went down there and we did this

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ghost box session down in North Charleston
and it was the shortest ghost bock session

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ever and we were basically told to
leave. And later on we were investigating

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Jackie who told you to leave the
voices on the box or living Yeah,

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the ghost box told us to leave. Well, what what we asked is

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should we leave because it was like
a man, a lady and all this

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stuff watching looking and it's like there
was a man and a woman that came

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out of this house and were walking
around, and they were standing on the

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porch staring at us, and it's
like she had no way of knowing these

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people were looking at it. She
had a blindfold on, and she's just

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saying it. And then we felt
like we're being pulled out from the top

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of our heads, from our crown
chakra and like really super light headed.

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And so we left and we went
and had lunch, which we planned on

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doing, and then we went back
to Point Pleasant and we completely forgot about

406
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,519
everything else we wanted to do in
Charleston. That totally wiped our mind.

407
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:37,039
Whatever it was. But what we
found out later is where we were sitting

408
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,519
at this church parking lot, there
was a grassy area and in that grassy

409
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:47,400
area, right beside the church was
where a grade school was that Charles Vnson

410
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:51,559
locked the doors and burnt the school
down, killing two children. It was

411
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,760
this first criminal act and he was
like ten or twelve years old, so

412
00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:01,000
I mean, it just was leading
us on this really weird adventure, you

413
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,800
know, And it seems like that's
what the Mothman reports from Chicago have been

414
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:14,079
doing, is like leading, leading
us to different places and different There's such

415
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,400
a weird, weird, weird underlying
current that has to do with the whole

416
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:25,440
thing. And it's like somehow Point
Pleasant and Chicago Mothman are linked. And

417
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,719
I don't think that the people that
are doing the reports, especially the ones

418
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,719
that seem like they're kind of made
up, I don't think that they even

419
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,280
have a clue what's going on.
It's like the phenomena is now toying with

420
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,400
everybody that's participating in it. Let
me throw something out here. It was

421
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,360
a book called a Sorryton Mystery by
Eileen Buck and it deals with Arthur Bryant

422
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,559
was a groundskeeper in England in an
old folks home. And this is a

423
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:59,159
few days after Georgia Danski died.
The famous contact he that supposedly contacted the

424
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:04,440
Venus of the as California Desert.
He claimed a classic flying saucer landed.

425
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:13,480
Three individuals stepped out, supposedly Venusians. The young one called himself Yamski and

426
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:19,559
was asking for des les Well.
Desmond Leslie was Georgia Dampski's co author,

427
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:29,119
so the implication was that somehow Yamsky
was the reincarnation of Georgia Dampski, which

428
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,360
is pretty quick to do it in
a couple of days and have a whatever,

429
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:36,800
a teenage Venusian or whatever. Now, the thing is that there's other

430
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,320
things that Bryant claimed obvious. There's
a follow up kind of a papo called

431
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,039
sequel to start and exposes a lot
of nonsense. But at the same time,

432
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:52,679
at the same time period, people
are seeing strange lights in this guys,

433
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,920
they're seeing UFOs, voices are being
imprinted on reel, the real tapes,

434
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,239
poltergeist phenomena. So you have this
duality of total nonsense to something totally

435
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,480
made up. But at the same
time, I don't know if it's paranormal

436
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,840
mimicry or whatever it is, but
there's all this other bizarre stuff going on.

437
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:15,519
It seems to be something some legitimate
paranormal phenomena. So Sam, does

438
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:28,039
that ring true with what you've been
looking at? Sam? I can't even

439
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:34,039
scratch the surface on this because there's
just so much and I hate to use

440
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:38,239
the term rabbit holes. But the
three things in particular, four things that

441
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:46,360
leads you to is Native American scenario
chi Chi Piqua in Illinois, of course,

442
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:52,920
in Chicago area. Robinson Robinson Woods
over there. He was one of

443
00:41:52,920 --> 00:42:00,760
the major, very influential in this
area as far as pot of watomy.

444
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:08,039
And it's funny because one of individuals
that was working with the team here when

445
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,920
she was watching. Oh, by
the way, the Eyes of the Mothman

446
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:23,679
came out in two thousand and eleven, and that was played at the at

447
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:30,000
the at the at the event at
Mothman at the State Theater. I remember

448
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,239
that, right, Remember that?
Okay, at the State Theater. Now

449
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,559
that's on what fifty two or twenty
five, but that's on Main Street on

450
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:44,119
the sixty two parallels a sixty two. Okay, Now that's very important.

451
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:51,119
Keep that in mind on the theater
and think of Eyes of the Mothman just

452
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:55,199
came out in twenty eleven, all
right, it just came out on Netflix.

453
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,440
So you have all these you have
you have the various, you have

454
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:10,599
a you have certain subsets of events
that work like a mental equation, and

455
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:21,000
then you draw a conclusion. Now
you have the oxygen the sky that's automatically

456
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:25,039
put it on the internet. Everybody
thinks it's it's Mothman. There's some sort

457
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:31,519
of drifted something. Then all of
a sudden, you have this there's these

458
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:37,840
two girls screaming and they have two
red eyes peering through the window. Now,

459
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:45,280
if you've seen the Eyes of the
Mothman, the actual logo for it,

460
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:52,079
all you see is black and white
in the red eyes. Then you

461
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:59,239
have, of course this other creature
from eyes from Tasmania. So you put

462
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,400
these altar together and it comes up
with something. It makes a mental equation,

463
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,199
and all you have to do is
create an environment like this, and

464
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:16,480
other phenomena seems to fall into play. They cannot be that intelligent to place

465
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:23,880
all these things in sequence. There's
more that it's much more unusual. And

466
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,719
so you're, yeah, you're you're
you're answering in a question. You know,

467
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,559
basically, yes, that's the case, and point there is something here

468
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:42,559
that is so unusual. I'm trying
to think where it rolls down into Humble

469
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,079
Park. First of all, who
was who was Alexander von Humble. He

470
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:53,400
was one of the greatest, uh
the greatest adventurers, botanist, et cetera.

471
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:58,840
More more things are named after him. In fact, the Humble Seals

472
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:05,239
are are in danger. Well,
there's a correlation with his degree of looking

473
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,679
an adventure He was the most popular
man at that time period. And of

474
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:15,280
course I had mentioned about Drake before, the name Drake or the correlation with

475
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:24,480
a dragon a Drake in the book
by L. Frank Baum. The funny

476
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:30,239
thing is, do you remember the
book Cosmos by any chance? Sure?

477
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:37,199
And do you know who wrote that? Carl Sagan was second person to write

478
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:45,159
write that book. The first person
to write Cosmos was Alexander von Humbolt,

479
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:50,320
one of the most interesting people and
gave so much this world as far as

480
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:59,039
science. And the funny thing is
Sagan became involved with SETI through his relationship,

481
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,880
of course with Break And this is
going to hit home with you because

482
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:09,239
all this does combined, it's all
about communication. What is communication? Communication

483
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,719
is a transfer of information. Doesn't
mean you have to know what's going on,

484
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:20,559
It just needs to be transferred.
What happened was I started looking into

485
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:28,679
this and then radar telescope research,
green banks nearby and all these things.

486
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,679
In fact, the Elk River we
talked about the Elk River collapse, the

487
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,199
bridge on the Zumber fifteenth. Was
it nineteen oh four? I think so

488
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:43,679
yes. And of course the Elk
River flows into Kenawa and both of them

489
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,599
come to join at the point,
and of course let's just stop from it

490
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:55,400
and let make sure people know that
the Silver Bridge collapsed on December fifteenth and

491
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:59,920
as well as the Elk River Bridge
on December fifteenth. The year is the

492
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,679
seem to be significant, but I
mean, you've got sixty seven and four,

493
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:10,239
but truly bizarre. The two bridges
kind of connected in the same waterway

494
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,039
collapsed on the same day of the
year. Yeah. And then Jackie was

495
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,360
talking about two when we were in
Charleston. For folks who aren't familiar with

496
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,280
the topography or what have you,
the geography of the area Charleston is where

497
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,960
the Elk River and the Kinawa come
together. That's where the Elk River Bridge

498
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:37,800
collapsed sixty three or four years before. The point was in Christon, and

499
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:45,400
they both both the Ohio and the
Kenway they merge and at that point where,

500
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:52,719
of course, on October the thirty
first, seventeen seventy, none other

501
00:47:52,760 --> 00:48:00,480
than George Washington stood there and said, what a magnificent point. Are a

502
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,039
pleasant point? And that's where it
got its name. You have two bodies

503
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:09,760
again, two bodies, and what
was we have two warriors that were thrown

504
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,920
into the river. Never found two
bodies of orders converge. In Chicago,

505
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,960
we have two bodies of orders converge, and they're actually shown on the flag

506
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:27,119
with the stars. So there is
Native American lore. Now I mentioned Eyes

507
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:34,639
of the Mothman. When another partner
of their group was watching the movie Eyes

508
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:38,000
of the Mothman, a sequence comes
up, and take a look at it

509
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:43,400
when you have a chance, where
they show the theater and it just so

510
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:52,320
happens pp or Chichi Pequa was born
or died I believe on April to twenty

511
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:58,880
seconds, if I'm not mistaken.
And on a segment of that of the

512
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,760
movie, the document entry, you'll
see main Street and then you'll see the

513
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,159
sign of the theater next to it
to the right, and it says on

514
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:15,559
there April twenty second Wizard of Oz, the Wizard of Oz and at that

515
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:21,280
point the visual truths of whatever they
were holding out the floor right out of

516
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,840
the room. But that's an interesting
little scenario that it is actually in the

517
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:32,679
movie. Now, is there something
else communicating with us throughout this whole thing

518
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:37,760
and we're just not even doing it
even remotely justice by looking at this,

519
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:46,039
But there is nonsense going on.
So is it possible that even though nonsense

520
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:52,679
is going on, much like you
can use put on a record player and

521
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,719
listen to music and it's not live
music, but it creates the same effect,

522
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,119
does the effect follow there afterwards?
In other words, does a phenomena

523
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:08,039
take place afterwards? And that was
a concern that I had that even though

524
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:13,119
all this stuff was going on and
they didn't seem to be legitimate, a

525
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,239
lot of it was just pure nonsense. And then of course there was genuine

526
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,840
reports of misidentifications, the largest size
or the most common thing being blue errands,

527
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:28,119
tons of blue errands, great blue
owls or great horned owls. We

528
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:31,480
also have long eared owls out here
too, in that in Chicago, in

529
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:37,360
fact, there was an infestation of
them during that period of time. So

530
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:45,039
do you have these things going on? There's tons of correlations with numbers events,

531
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:52,400
And then my mind drew me to
communication itself and trying to understand why

532
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:58,239
are these names pulling together? You
have Cosmos, you have Sagan, you

533
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:04,840
have Drake, and it just got
to be strange. Hold on a second,

534
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,039
let me let me do our station
identification. Here. You are listening

535
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:13,960
to the high strangeness factor. Copyrighted
on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Today,

536
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,199
Susie and I are speaking to Jackie, Bill and Sam about the so

537
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:23,039
called Chicago authman and all the bizarre
trappings that go with it. Uh Sam

538
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:28,840
Uh. I had Andy and I
had Allison jorn Lenan a few years ago,

539
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,559
and she did a lot of footwork
checking out a dozens of these reports,

540
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,800
finding problems with many of them.
However, I believe she said that

541
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,920
one or two of them seemed like
they could have been legitimate. Now,

542
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,559
do you, in in your research, do you think that in some of

543
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,559
these sightings, Now this is a
wide area over several years, I imagine

544
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,000
that they could easily. You know, I've kind of ignored the whole area

545
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,719
because if there is a legitimate report, it's it's it's lost the morass of

546
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,079
all this nonsense. But do you
think that there have been some reports that

547
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:13,960
might represent a legitimate anomalist phenomenon.
I think I've spoken to seven witnesses and

548
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,000
each of them were I think,
except for one or being very genuine about

549
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:27,159
what they saw and was misidentification.
Now, Ellison is a personal friend of

550
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,679
mine, very very good friend,
and of course she worked with us.

551
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:34,000
We all work together and that's what
we were trying to do, is get

552
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,960
everybody to work together and find out
what's going on. But that didn't as

553
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:44,400
recalled, didn't work out that way. The thing is, there are certain

554
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:49,239
you could see, like there's patterns. Now we had the first three in

555
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:54,400
twenty eleven, and then you had
what took place, starting with OZ again

556
00:52:54,519 --> 00:53:00,119
leaving with something referencing to as Mania
Australia OZ. Either way, I forgot

557
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:06,400
to tell you this. The third
book see L. Frank Baum wrote after

558
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,960
his first book, thirteen sequels to
follow that up, but I didn't mention

559
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:15,639
that thirteen sequels plus one is fourteen
and all of a sudden you're in OZ.

560
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:24,719
And the third book that he wrote
was the was Princess Ozma Ozma was

561
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:31,719
in was Discovered? Or they encounter
Dorothy encounters Ozma, which she takes a

562
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,800
trip to of all places, Australia
and they get lost. And it's a

563
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:44,639
that in itselfs the correlations with other
things. It's too much to cover in

564
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:52,400
any twelve hour conversation. The thing
with the radar, we have Drake,

565
00:53:52,880 --> 00:54:01,119
and we have Drake on November excuse
me, April the eighth of nineteen sixty

566
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:09,480
starting the first experiments of trying to
communicate to the Cosmos. Okay, and

567
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:16,559
he did that. Of all places, Green Banks, green Bank, Virginia,

568
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,320
and Green Bank, Virginia, of
course is next to the forested area

569
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,119
there. What is that forest,
But that's called the Mother of Rivers where

570
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:35,480
all these rivers flow and converge and
water has memory. There's very unique properties

571
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:42,639
to water, and there's something with
that. Anyways, as you may recall

572
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:50,039
in nineteen or nineteen eighty nine,
one of the unusual things that happened up

573
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,559
there at Green Banks was and this
was during perfect weather. It wasn't any

574
00:54:53,639 --> 00:55:00,840
storms or nothing. Late in the
evening on Novemmember the fifteenth, of all

575
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:14,079
things, one of the huge radar
telescopes actually collapsed and it looked like Godzilla

576
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:17,599
went there and just picked it up
and ripped it all up. A gentleman

577
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:22,840
who was in the bathroom at that
time got all startled. He couldn't figure

578
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,920
out what was going on. He
comes out and he sees panels falling off

579
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,840
the ceiling and really wasn't able to
discern what was going on out there.

580
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:38,679
He was really shooken up. But
when Nis came out there and it was

581
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,840
NITS at that point. Prior to
that, it was the National Bureau of

582
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,360
Standards, and it was it was
a mess. They couldn't figure out what

583
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:53,559
transpired. He heard some unusual noises
and almost sounded like jets were chasing something.

584
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,079
As you may recaller, you can
find out that during that period of

585
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:01,840
time there was also a lot of
UFO activity. Now, mind you,

586
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:10,800
we have the first attempt at what
would be setting in the long term of

587
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:16,440
trying to communicate to the stars and
also pick up signals. Now that was

588
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:25,519
nineteenth November fifteenth, same day as
Roger Scarborough and the rest of them having

589
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:31,920
their experience. But this is twenty
two years later. Who is to say

590
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,440
that there isn't a correlation with that, and maybe they got an answer to

591
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:45,280
something, and you know, it's
a very freaky and I just find that

592
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,199
I found that all too interesting.
The other thing was with Yansky, who

593
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:57,719
Carly Yanski, who actually discovered radar
telescope. He was working for AT or

594
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,000
AT and t trying to figure out
why they were getting noise. There was

595
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:07,000
three types of noise in the communication, so that was disturbing the message.

596
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:15,119
And what had happened was he discovered
that he was looking at a certain area

597
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:22,280
of Sagittarius and that area he finally
figured out that that was where something was

598
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:30,400
actually giving signals and those signals were
from the Sagittarius area and that was a

599
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:36,320
that is a black hole. And
that's what we've discovered from that. But

600
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:42,159
there's far more into this. I'm
like jumping around, like very very strange,

601
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:50,440
but anyways, that's how I got
into. It's all about communication on

602
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,519
this lower, this much higher level
of freakiness, and we're not really giving

603
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:59,280
it justice at this point. But
anyways, what do you say though by

604
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,679
no means it's just too bizarre.
Well, I was just thinking in general,

605
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:07,960
So I think we might have talked
a little bit last time we were

606
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:13,239
on about George Hanson and the trickster
and the paranormal. But also I know

607
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:19,719
that John Keel as well as I
believe it was Richard HadAM stated in a

608
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:28,559
documentary Steve that you were in Hello
there, Kitty Kat, this is Maggie's

609
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,679
been harassing me. She was on
my lap. That's why my video was

610
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:36,800
off for a minute. But they
talk about how once you get close to

611
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,079
the phenomena, the phenomena does start
toying with you, and when you're peering

612
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:45,639
into the void, the void is
looking back at you. Keil talks about

613
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:52,800
how this phenomena really is a co
creation between precipient and broadcaster, so to

614
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:58,400
speak. So I can see how
what's happened here in the Chicago area,

615
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,119
you know, this is how we
got Originally Jackie and I attended to move

616
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:06,400
on meeting five years ago. We
met Sam and we immediately talked about,

617
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:09,239
you know, the sightings in Chicago, and he had expressed that he was

618
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:15,960
the lead investigator on that whole alleged
flap. But I can see how things

619
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,039
could take off and really kind of
become their own phenomenon. You know,

620
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:25,760
if this undercurrent that we're talking about
the transposition of thirteen's thirty one's what Jackie

621
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,920
talked about with the ghost Box sessions
taking us from location to location to location.

622
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:37,480
There was even somebody, if I
remember correctly, didn't somebody didn't one

623
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,760
of the ghost Box sessions point us
down to Alton. Yeah. When we

624
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,440
did the Thatcher Woods one, I
had an idea of having two people on

625
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,119
the spirit box, So we call
it the Thatcher Session, a sort of

626
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:54,599
the STU Session. And Bill,
and then our friend was doing the headphones

627
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:59,599
and the blindfolds, and they were
on different frequencies, and I was asking

628
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:06,039
the question and they were literally answering
each other's I mean like I would ask

629
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,000
the question and one of them would
say something, the other one would finish

630
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:15,079
the statement. It was so wild. But we were trying to find a

631
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:21,960
mini Serpuent Mount and so I was
asking questions regarding that, and one of

632
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,360
them said, I said, who
am I talking to? Who's you know,

633
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,360
who's the one giving me this information? This is what we want,

634
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,239
blah blah blah. And someone said
Bonnie, and I said Bonnie, do

635
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:37,920
you have a last name? And
the other person said Bland. And then

636
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:42,800
something came up talking about seventy seven
and like all this other different stuff.

637
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:49,719
And so afterwards when we were investigating, there was a woman named Bonnie Bland

638
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,400
who was from seventy seven years old, who was from Alton, Illinois,

639
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,840
and she knew the Low family that
had the little boy that was picked up

640
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,320
and carried off back in fifty four
or whatever year that was, I don't

641
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,440
even remember. But what I thought
was also funny about that one was the

642
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:13,320
family's last name was Low, just
like the Low Hotel and Point Pleasant and

643
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:17,159
so there's just like all these really
strange synchronicities. There's one other thing too

644
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:21,880
that I want to say, just
real quickly before I don't get a chance.

645
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,719
Page a Wit has talked about her
sighting of the moth Man for years

646
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:29,559
and years and years on all kinds
of documentaries, and there's been all kinds

647
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,519
of like different drawings and people who
tried to, you know, draw it

648
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:37,400
out for her and everything. And
it wasn't until maybe five years or so

649
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:45,199
ago that she had a police artist
draw her rendition of what she saw as

650
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:51,079
a child of the Point Pleasant Mothman. And that was done, and it

651
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:54,719
was painted, and it's a beautiful
piece of art and it's at the Mothman

652
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,400
Museum. And I about died when
I saw it because and I literally took

653
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,599
a picture of it and sent it
to Sam because it looks like one of

654
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:06,639
the monkeys from the Wizard of Oz, one of the flying monkeys. It

655
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,840
seriously does. And it's like,
never once did I ever put that together

656
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:16,199
with anything Fay ever said. So
it's like somehow even I feel like Fase

657
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:22,760
been pulled into the Wizard of Oz. Scenario of all of this crazy Chicago

658
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:30,880
stuff. I wasn't aware of all
the bizarre connections that whether they're coincidence or

659
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:36,280
some kind of synchronicity. But Bill
brought up a good point the trickster aspect,

660
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:42,320
and without going deeply into it,
Kiel experienced it with the silent contact

661
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,960
ease. They thought they were in
contact with these other intelligences that sometimes gave

662
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:52,280
them predictions that came true and sometimes
we're just messing with them. In a

663
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,440
book I've mentioned several times called Hungry
Ghosts by Joe Fisher, is where he

664
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,679
was talking to supposedly dead people through
these Meatilliams and he was he went to

665
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:06,360
England and Greece to try and verify
the information. He found out some of

666
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,960
that was dead on accurate and a
lot of it was nonsense. So you

667
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:15,599
get this this crazy mix of uh, some things that are legit and some

668
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:20,400
things that are not so Sam what
what what does this leave us? I

669
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:27,880
mean? Uh uh, you know, Alison Jordland was viciously attacked because she

670
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:34,639
was questioning some of these sightings,
which was really unfortunate, and uh you

671
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,559
are too, huh, well,
well, you know it's it's too bad,

672
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:42,719
because if uh and and and and
Susie has too, she has gone

673
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,320
out there and questioned some of the
uh the dogma. I guess that's out

674
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:52,920
there, some of the bizarre claims
and uh uh so. But but this

675
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:57,920
is just this is crazy. I
did not expect this and did not make

676
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,159
it a little bit crazier, I
think, Steve. I wasn't expecting this

677
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:06,559
conversation to go this way. But
uh so, you know my story,

678
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:11,079
Steve, But to fill everyone else
in a few years ago, I started

679
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:17,079
having reoccurring dreams or there were nightmares
actually about my great grandmother, who I

680
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:21,679
had never met, died before I
was born. At the time, I

681
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:26,239
originally thought it was, you know, my great grandmother was mad at me

682
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,119
about something trying to communicate. I
no longer feel that way, and now

683
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:35,840
I feel like it was something trying
to make me think it was my great

684
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:42,800
grandmother to get me to go on
wild goose chases. Jackie, when you

685
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,360
were talking about your your ghost box
sessions, I was like, that's exactly

686
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,320
you know how I felt. I
was being, you know, pushed from

687
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:56,639
one location to another, and nothing
was ever clear or communicated. It was

688
01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:00,360
just like, you know, what
the heck's going on. But through out

689
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:08,800
this I did find out that essentially
my ancestors were responsible for King Philip's war

690
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:16,960
and more precisely the incident that led
to what people now call the Wampum Belt

691
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:23,000
Curse, which they think is,
you know, what caused the Bridgewater triangle.

692
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,880
But when Sam was talking, I
realized there's a Wizard of Oz connection

693
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:36,800
there. The nightmare that I had, it's, you know, this woman,

694
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,360
older woman with two farm hands,
and the woman's yelling at me,

695
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,440
and then the farm hands grabbed me. And I always said, it's like

696
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,559
atm and the two guys in the
beginning of the Wizard of Oz. I

697
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:58,239
don't have a Mothman connection unless you
count Steve, but I certainly have.

698
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:02,360
You know, can relate to this
in a way I didn't expect to.

699
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,039
I imagine you don't have any ruby
slippers either. Yeah, and in the

700
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:12,199
book they're actually silver. You know. The funny thing is I never read

701
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:15,639
the book, and every time the
movie was on, I ignored it unless

702
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:19,280
I had to watch it fantasy.
I'm more one of the I was like

703
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:25,559
the guy that watched the National Geographic
shows, the nature shows, you know,

704
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,880
science and history are things that I
absolutely love. Uphology came to me

705
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,079
from my own experience. It found
me. I didn't find it. And

706
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:45,559
this whole, this whole journey involving
this, these cases and these rabbit holes

707
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:49,159
are I just call them journeys,
have brought me to understand things that I

708
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:56,280
never would have known before, meet
people and loved them very much that I

709
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,440
never would have known or come in
contact with. And each one has taught

710
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,719
me something. And my sister always
said, and my wife, I'm like

711
01:07:04,719 --> 01:07:09,119
a little computer. I have to
get more information all the time, you

712
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:15,559
know, stick it in my head. But to your point, is there

713
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:20,000
something actually there? There is there
is this phenomenon? Is there something that

714
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:27,639
is cryptic? Well, possibly I
have friends that and I've worked on cases

715
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:33,599
that may have been cryptied, you
know, things like subsquatch and whatever.

716
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:39,239
There may be things. I spoke
to one gentleman who's you know. He

717
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,559
says that he's seeing something as big
as a deer fly up in the air

718
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:49,079
on Route two ninety four when he
was on IWO ninety four, and that

719
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:55,840
was considered the first sighting, and
it's toired as being the first sighting.

720
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,480
Yet nobody spoke to him, they
spoke to his ex wife or actually didn't

721
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,559
even speak to them. They read
it. Now, keep in mind,

722
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,880
I have been out there. Elis
has been an out there. I've spoke

723
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,360
to seven individuals. I received these
reports originally, and by the way,

724
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,640
we received quite a few, and
we still get things now and then.

725
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:24,159
But again, anything that falls outside
what may not be euphological has to be

726
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,079
done outside of move on, and
that is exactly how I've handled this.

727
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,720
We've done it in a team effort, and that's the only way it should

728
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:38,159
be approached. I don't think we
should, you know, take into consideration

729
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:44,479
everything as being as it is,
because there are these trickster elements, and

730
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,199
there is the human trickster element.
Now, the other thing that came into

731
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:54,279
my mind during this period of time
was AI. Is it possible that a

732
01:08:54,600 --> 01:09:04,640
very unusual attempt at seeing how much
information could be accepted through social media and

733
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:11,680
on the internet and controlling these elements
even to such a level as low as

734
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,239
this. I think it's impossible,
even for AI. There were four more

735
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:19,119
events, four more cases that came
in, by the way, and that

736
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:27,920
twenty seventeen that we received I investigated
directly. None of those individuals. By

737
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,960
the way, none of the reports
that we received except for the first one,

738
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:38,680
and I believe no two other ones
had anything legitimate as far as contact

739
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:48,000
information. They all had various patterns
of fictitious of fictitious emails, phone numbers,

740
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:54,000
and fictitious names. So there was
really nothing to go on. And

741
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,279
my assistant state director was in charge
of the CMS, and I asked them,

742
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,119
how many times have you ever seen
reports come in like this? Now,

743
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:06,279
mind you, he had seen anywhere
between eight to ten thousand reports a

744
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:12,479
year overview, you know, over
as far as you oversight before they go

745
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,439
out to the state directors and the
countries. So he says, I've never

746
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,760
seen anything like this. We had
seventy seven percent of the reports come in

747
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:27,680
pertaining to this subject that were fictitious
and obviously nonsense. And over the last

748
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,399
four that we received, three of
them came from the same IP address,

749
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,760
So how absurd is that? And
then people come down me that you know

750
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:42,720
this is this isn't correct, You
know that No, maybe somebody just used

751
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:47,560
their bandwidth or something. No,
that's totally impossible, it's nonsense. And

752
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:54,960
then we also did style metrics,
the study of the way people write the

753
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:59,039
use of words, grammar, et
cetera. And we could find and Bill

754
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:04,760
and Jackie could agree. You know
that it's consistent in many of these reports,

755
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:12,640
alter many. I know that there
are some people that suggest that the

756
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,800
Point Pleasant Mothman or the Ohio Valley
Mothman somehow migrated to Chicago. Uh.

757
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:21,479
Now, let me tell you,
my mothman did not go to Chicago.

758
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:27,319
But seriously, but seriously, are
there of all the reports that you've looked

759
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:32,840
at, do any of the mirror
the broad spectrum of the Mothman prophecies?

760
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:39,359
Were people having outbreaks of poultrygeist phenomena
after they had their sighting, where they

761
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:44,359
having going in trances or missing time? What about animal mutilations, what about

762
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,479
men in black visits or or you
know, is uh, are there anything

763
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:56,079
that would carry over from from the
the chronicles of what Keel chronicles in the

764
01:11:56,119 --> 01:12:01,279
Mothman prophecies to the Chicago area.
Let me answer that, Sam, That

765
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:05,479
really is not Steve. And that's
one of the things that I fixated on

766
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:12,680
early on being a student really of
the whole Mothman legend and the flap of

767
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,840
sixty six and sixty seven. I
looked for that I wanted that to be

768
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,920
part of what was going on in
Chicago. We lived sixty miles west of

769
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,159
Chicago. We can be there in
an hour. It was when we first

770
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:27,399
heard about this, we were really
excited about it. But none of the

771
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:32,960
Hi High strangeness elements have been reported
at all. I think once the folks

772
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:38,600
who were really reporting on this and
publishing books about this and doing what they

773
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,800
were doing with it got wint to
the fact that the High Strangers was not

774
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,960
an element of the first ten years
of sightings. After that, some of

775
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:51,479
the reports that came in were even
more sensationalized. They talked about having a

776
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:58,640
sense of dread seeing the black winged
creature with the piercing red eyes. The

777
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,560
reports began to me or more and
more aspects of point pleasant. But I

778
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,840
think it had to be pointed out
that that wasn't happening before. So none

779
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,840
of the Poultergeist activity, none of
the men in Black activity, although Sam

780
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:15,399
has had a very strange men in
Black thing that perhaps you could elaborate on

781
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,119
that a little bit. Sam,
now that I'm thinking about this, that

782
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:26,840
individual that really mirrors the Barney Hill
reference. That's I think in the gray

783
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,800
Barker book about that doctor Hopkins.
I think so yeah, maybe, Okay,

784
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:34,600
let's we'll let Sam tell that part
of the story, because it's his

785
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:42,279
story, not mine. There were
three witnesses that contacted both myself and this

786
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:49,359
other and the key other person involved
on the other side. And this gentleman

787
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:57,720
was a truck driver and he had
a sighting while sitting in his truck and

788
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,600
the and he felt it was more
like a UFO with and what he what

789
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:09,520
he had seen was that it had
the reverse scalloping along what appeared to be

790
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:15,920
wings. But he thought it was
mechanical, not living. So he contacted

791
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,479
this other individual and he sent me
an email. I contacted him the next

792
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:26,880
day. We got together and it
was probably a month and a half since

793
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:32,439
we had we had actually gotten together. And we got together at a and

794
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:39,239
an overpass that it was actually knocked
down recently over two ninety four. I

795
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:43,039
got there earlier because I had to
eat some darn thing. Boys. I

796
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:45,960
gotta feed. The boy's gotta eat. He's looking a little thin, you

797
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,920
know. So I went and I
had a piece of pizza, sat down,

798
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:55,560
and there was this guy, this
tong guy comes walking and he had

799
01:14:56,039 --> 01:15:00,680
an envelope and he's looking and he
looks at and he goes, are you

800
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,600
the doctor? No, why are
you hurt or anything? No, no,

801
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:11,479
no, I'm looking for a doctor. I have a coin here that

802
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,640
I'm supposed to sell to him.
I go, oh, really, So

803
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,640
he sits down. We start talking. I asked him a little bit.

804
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:23,239
It just so happens for the first
year of his high school and we went

805
01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:27,720
to school together at the same high
school. I went to a preparatory seminary

806
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,479
seminary and I can't recall the guy. And then he's working at a jailhouse

807
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,720
as I forgot what the position it
was, and I knew a lot of

808
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,920
people not in there but handling the
place because I used to be in politics,

809
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,960
and it was just so weird.
And we started talking about stuff and

810
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,720
I go, what is your background? And he says, well, I

811
01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:55,279
was in the military my last I
retired as a captain and I was working

812
01:15:55,319 --> 01:15:59,119
at the Pentagon and I'm like,
wow, this is getting interesting. Meanwhile,

813
01:15:59,279 --> 01:16:01,439
I'm waiting for this guy to show
up and Billy, I could use

814
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,880
his name. He's very he's known, and I mean for Billy to show

815
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:11,840
up, and I says, by
the way. He says, by the

816
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,199
way, we'd like to see the
coin. He takes the coin out,

817
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:23,119
and it is a seventeen I believe
was seventeen eighty seven Fugio I fly,

818
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:30,439
Fugio f u gio. It was
actually designed by Benjamin Franklin. And what

819
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,079
it has on there on one side
is the sun and the sundial which has

820
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:41,319
the Nomon on there the Masonic symbol, of course prominent in the center.

821
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,520
And then you flip it over and
look at it, and you will see

822
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:50,600
the rings, the thirteen rings,
and we are one, thirteen rings,

823
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,680
and we are one. And then
I flipped it back over again, and

824
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,039
he said, and he says,
do you read on the bottom what it

825
01:16:59,079 --> 01:17:04,119
says? That says mind your business? Now we would say mind your own

826
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:09,000
business today, but the past,
during that period of time, you would

827
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,319
say mind your business. And he'd
just smiled at me. I meanwhile,

828
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:15,760
the doctor comes in, they make
their transaction. I gave him a piece

829
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:23,680
of paper. I'm freaking out because
it was so weird. I fly and

830
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:29,760
then mind your own business, thirteen
rings, and then all of a sudden,

831
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:34,520
Billy and his brother show up.
Both these guys are very well built

832
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:42,800
and his brother looks like the illustrated
man. He had so many tattoos,

833
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:47,720
but two of the tattoos stood out
immediately. He had a pyramid with the

834
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:55,159
all seeing eye and a flying saucer
coming out of it. So these guys

835
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:59,000
were really into all sorts of stuff, and then they were talking to me.

836
01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:04,560
But he had a sight and and
what's what Billy's known for is the

837
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:10,119
the fact that there was a medical
condition. And here he found out that

838
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:15,880
the medical condition took place after his
sighting, not beforehand, so much got

839
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,960
read into it, far more than
than what the reality was. But the

840
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:26,439
weird part is here, I had
this instance before, and if you ever

841
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,119
see the coin, take a peek
at it, you'll know what I mean.

842
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:32,199
I had my hair standing up,
and there was a guy sitting off

843
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:38,640
to the side watching us and just
smiling at me. And he was dressed

844
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,600
up like, you know, like
somebody that's definitely not not supposed to be

845
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,399
there, uh, and all too
too sharp looking, and he just kept

846
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,399
smiling. And it was weird because
he watched me for the whole time,

847
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,479
and there was another person watching me
too, and I'm like, what the

848
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:00,239
hell's all this about? You know? I was very uneasy about the whole

849
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,680
situation, and you know, got
back into the garden, made at home

850
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,720
and here and I still am.
But there were a lot of strange occurrences

851
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:16,000
during the opine time, rippling of
unusual stuff. August to fourth was the

852
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:23,359
first photograph that came in, and
I think Ellison addressed that because she went

853
01:19:23,399 --> 01:19:28,039
to the location, so did Jack
and the person. And again this is

854
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:31,560
one of those ones of the out
of the four, one of them is

855
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:39,760
a dead person that filled out a
report that's very interesting, and the other

856
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,479
three were from the same IP,
and this was one of those from the

857
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:47,800
same IP. We were taking a
break and going up to up to Wisconsin

858
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:53,319
and for our anniversary, just going
to spend a day up there, so

859
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:56,199
we ran it. We were at
a hotel. Man was that Kruddy?

860
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,439
But I got a call and this
guy calls me and he starts talking about

861
01:20:01,119 --> 01:20:08,319
He says, you know, I'm
out here and towards Vegas, and I'm

862
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:13,399
a truck driver and I'm here in
Vegas and there's this Indian in the room,

863
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:16,239
and there this alien and there's like, what's this guy even talking about?

864
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,800
And when I look at the name, I actually knew who the person

865
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:25,199
was, and I scared him by
telling him everything about him. Now,

866
01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:30,520
by the way, his father worked
for Air America. Does that sound familiar?

867
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:32,960
So I could get an idea of
where this guy was coming from.

868
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,359
But anyways, the first photo comes
in, and of course that was an

869
01:20:36,399 --> 01:20:42,560
airplane. It wasn't anything more than
that. What hell are we talking about?

870
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:48,880
I got off talking about a bunch
of stuff. Well, ladies and

871
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:57,000
gentlemen, let's try and make sense
of something that makes no sense. We

872
01:20:57,399 --> 01:21:02,600
have a situation where, uh,
it's a parent that many of these original

873
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,560
sightings and maybe some of the later
ones were bogus. There's a lot of

874
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,920
nonsense. However, there does seem
to be a lot of weird synchronicities.

875
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,119
Now I'm willing to believe that.
You know, we can go down a

876
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:20,239
road where we we we see coincidences
and put things together, but it is

877
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:27,560
simply coincidence. So some of this
could just be that. But knowing as

878
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,840
I know that people like like I
gave the sorry to mystery example where people

879
01:21:32,399 --> 01:21:39,600
create a hoax and there seems like
something mushrooms around them that and I don't

880
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,520
know why, So is that what's
going on? Here, did this start

881
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:50,600
out as something bogus and then perhaps
something like something killian has grown from this?

882
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:59,239
Uh the uh, the trickster,
the the paranormal mimicry, that sort

883
01:21:59,279 --> 01:22:03,640
of thing. So what what do
you think, Susie? Yeah, I'm

884
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:11,880
not I went into this with a
preconceived notion of what happened, and now

885
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,159
I'm just not sure, you know, because I had, like a much

886
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:16,359
like you, I'd just kind of, you know, written it off saying,

887
01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:23,479
you know, maybe there is a
couple that were legitimate. Now I'm

888
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,079
not sure, but it does kind
of seem more like, you know,

889
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:33,600
a collective unconscious thing. And there
definitely is more to it than I originally

890
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:40,199
thought for sure, to say the
least. Yeah, I think some of

891
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:45,960
these may have there may be something
there, but that again, it can't

892
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,720
be validated. The other thing is, in those instances where we have genuine

893
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:58,560
reports, we can usually identify what
it is. I should say almost nine

894
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,359
times out of ten. It's like
with you reports, and nine times out

895
01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:08,159
of time you can pretty much figure
out what it is. And it's those

896
01:23:08,319 --> 01:23:15,119
that residual factor that there are some
out there that seem really peculiar and by

897
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:20,840
people of pretty good stature even in
this scenario, that there may be something

898
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:26,920
really worthwhile there. I don't know. I can't write everything off. But

899
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:34,800
again, does the phenomena spring or
grow from an agitation? Even if it's

900
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,479
done so in other words, you
kick it around a little bit and fake

901
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,760
it, it'll it'll still give you
the same effect. I remember John Keel

902
01:23:46,319 --> 01:23:54,119
saying that he would entertain notions,
theories, so even wild theories about what

903
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:58,399
this was, and then he would
start receiving reports from people all over the

904
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:03,319
country supporting that belief system, like
the reflective factor. Yes, very strange.

905
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,000
Now, Sam, I got to
ask you here, this is a

906
01:24:06,039 --> 01:24:10,079
little bit off subject, but I
got to ask you about Tinley Park.

907
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,399
One of my favorite episodes of UFO
Hunters were these giant triangles went over that

908
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,359
part of Illinois. What was that
like? That investigation? Well, we

909
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:24,600
got the twenty year anniversary coming up
August twenty first. It was a fantastic

910
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:30,359
investigation because, first of all,
for the first time, I had volumes

911
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:39,880
of video evidence to take a peek
at, and we had literally hundreds of

912
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:45,760
witnesses. We have different vantage points. We have things here that you don't

913
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:50,239
get. That's why I like to
work on math sightings. This I thought

914
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:56,079
was going to be something like a
math sighting, but it's different now even

915
01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:00,640
we draw the correlations between something like
that Tinley Park. We had, you

916
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:05,720
know, these unusual lights appearing in
the sky. No air traffic. Mind

917
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:11,359
you now that you know what Chicago's
like. No air traffic on August twenty

918
01:25:11,399 --> 01:25:16,319
first, which was a beautiful day. It was the Aaron Water Show was

919
01:25:16,359 --> 01:25:20,239
going on. It was the last
day. There were literally over two million

920
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:27,479
people downtown and they were coming back
home. The sighting started about say ten

921
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:32,720
o'clock in the afternoon or in the
evening, and what they had seen were

922
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:40,560
these three illuminations in the sky,
very unusual red, and if it got

923
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:45,960
closer you could see it. It
isn'tconsistent of red. It's a full myriad

924
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:50,880
of colors, but they're moving around
so quick. But it appears there were

925
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:58,439
other substructures or superstructures on this thing, and you we wouldn't be able to

926
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:02,239
discern it unless it was close enough
or you were far enough away and you

927
01:26:02,359 --> 01:26:06,399
had the safer instance, the light
from the city shining up and you could

928
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:14,720
see the edge. No air traffic
for two hours. The object came in.

929
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:23,439
Another one came in afterwards. It
was seen in multiple countries. It

930
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:28,479
was filmed also down it. His
video down in Australia was Melbourne. Very

931
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,239
good case and very well investigated.
There were two of them down there.

932
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:38,159
But this isn't the only instance that
we had things happen in Tinley Park.

933
01:26:38,199 --> 01:26:42,760
We had it again, of course
on Halloween, same scenario, except we

934
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,840
had more objects. We had a
horseshoe shaped object with a boom and around

935
01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:53,279
around I don't even know what you'd
call it object on top of it.

936
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,800
Then we had the orange orbs,
which my wife and I had actually seen,

937
01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:03,600
and these as the orange orb picture
at arm's length, something the size

938
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:08,199
of maybe as big as a quarter
to a half a dollar, Julie says,

939
01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:12,479
at least half a dollar sitting in
the sky. We had thirteen mile

940
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,319
in our winds headed from the north
and oozing from the bottom, or smaller

941
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:23,920
versions of these the same coloration orbs, smaller ones coming out. And when

942
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:30,119
it came in it looked like an
explosion of static. There was all these

943
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:36,640
static charges, these bright flashes all
over and it sat in the sky.

944
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:41,840
It's sat in the sky perfectly still, total as if you were to paint

945
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,680
it there and a thirteen mile in
our wind, and then it moved across,

946
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,680
and when it moved across, it
changed color through the whole spectrum of

947
01:27:49,079 --> 01:27:57,520
the rainbow, and we watched it
disappear over to the south southwest and that

948
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,680
actually was west southwest. And my
eyes didn't blink during that whole period because

949
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,439
I wanted to see everything. I
called the police department and I told him,

950
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,319
you know, I asked him if
any reports came in, and they

951
01:28:09,399 --> 01:28:15,479
laughed. The same guy called me
back just before twelve o'clock and said,

952
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,119
mister Moronto, what you saw was
children with balloons. And the way he

953
01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:21,880
said it, oh, oh,
Steve, the way he said, I

954
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,399
wish I had recorded. He gets
close to fun and goes, what you

955
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,199
saw was children with balloons and I'm
like, who told you to tell me

956
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:33,239
that? And he goes and he
gets real close to the fun and goes,

957
01:28:33,399 --> 01:28:43,359
I can't tell you. My neighbor
was a volunteer for the police department

958
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:49,319
in Orland and he said that that
night there was a lot of strange things

959
01:28:49,359 --> 01:28:59,479
happening. Individuals coming in removing records
and they didn't they weren't from any known

960
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:03,560
that way agency, and they shouldn't
have done anything like that, but they

961
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:08,239
did. That's what I was going
to ask. Was there any official response?

962
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:11,439
Well, I guess that was it. I cover up. Yeah,

963
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,800
And the same thing with the mass
sided down the twenty eighth, They had

964
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:21,119
no explanation. And then on the
thirty first, I filed a FOYA for

965
01:29:21,359 --> 01:29:26,439
radar data, and I'm trying to
stay on top of it, calling and

966
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,079
calling, called down to Area five, call down to Dallas, and the

967
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:32,680
girl down in Dellas said, Sam, you know, darn well, if

968
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,560
it was a UFO and it was
recorded on there, we got anything,

969
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,079
You're not going to get it.
Then I called back up here and they

970
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:44,880
said, well, it just so
happens your time ran out, and it

971
01:29:45,039 --> 01:29:48,199
just so happens the person was supposed
to be working on it as on maternity

972
01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:51,880
leave. And I'm like, oh
great. You know, but the old

973
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:58,560
hair case, at least we did
get some data on that, and that

974
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:04,680
that was a very very good case. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I

975
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:10,319
like to wrap up the show,
but let's let's everybody chime in with some

976
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:15,199
words of wisdom. Something that will
live in infamy, something that people will

977
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:18,399
quote in the future. So,
Jackie, would you start by saying something

978
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:26,279
very profound, What do you think
about this gag? How does this leave

979
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:35,439
you dumbfounded? That? But it
also kind of it makes me excited because

980
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:42,199
I get drawn in so easily.
I just wish I had more time in

981
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:47,359
my life to really do some really
deep dig in because I find it all

982
01:30:47,399 --> 01:30:56,359
to be very, very fascinating.
And the more I learn about things,

983
01:30:57,239 --> 01:31:01,880
the more I investigate things, the
more I realize I don't know anything and

984
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:10,479
that nothing can be discluded from any
of it because it all somehow links.

985
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:15,199
When Samson's seventy seven percent, it's
like, seventy seven is another one of

986
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:18,520
those numbers that keeps popping up in
this in seventy seven percent of the reports,

987
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,800
you know, it's like seventy seven
percent of the reporting. It's like,

988
01:31:23,319 --> 01:31:26,439
you know, So, I mean, it leaves me very fascinated,

989
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:34,159
Susie, mine is more of a
question than a profound statement. But we've

990
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:40,199
you know, spoken to other people
who have found weird coincidences with the Wizard

991
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:44,439
of Oz specifically, and I would
just like to know what is it about

992
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:51,560
the Wizard of Oz, Well,
the Wizard of oz has evaluated of some

993
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:58,479
how many thousands I've got how many
thousands of top movies. Is the number

994
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:03,760
one influential movie in the world of
all times. It is number one influential

995
01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:10,239
and it also has been taken a
seat it has. It has formulated an

996
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:18,920
image of fantasy, of illusion,
of unusual uh interactions with creatures that are

997
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:25,880
not in this realm. You're taken
to another realm of reality and be it

998
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:30,800
consciousness or literally another realm of reality, I don't know. The thing is,

999
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:39,640
it hits home on many basis,
especially within the intelligence community big time.

1000
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:48,239
So in that in that realm,
it has other connotations. But you

1001
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:55,720
could get an idea where that goes
to that's that's ours. So it has

1002
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:06,119
a lot to do with illusions,
manufacturing things, creating something that becomes a

1003
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:13,880
key lessed phenomena, wouldn't you say, Bill, Oh yeah, yeah,

1004
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:20,840
absolutely. And if I could steve
my thought would be how ten twelve years

1005
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:27,640
ago, when I was really digging
into my research Mothman, John Keel all

1006
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,600
these different topics that are related to
that. I was kind of the right

1007
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,000
brained, kind of woo woo guy
who was really into all the weirdness and

1008
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:40,640
Jackie was working as a postmaster,
which requires a lot of analytical skill,

1009
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:45,359
and somewhere in our relationship and the
way that we go about collecting information now,

1010
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:53,199
I've become the more analytical one with
processes of what we do for our

1011
01:33:53,239 --> 01:33:57,159
research, and she, because of
her experiences and just because of who she

1012
01:33:57,399 --> 01:34:01,640
is, more in the right brain
space, more the relational side, And

1013
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,760
ultimately I think that what we like
to do is to try to help people

1014
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:11,520
all in all in really understanding what
they've been through, to identify with maybe

1015
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,359
some of the challenges, and if
I could use the word trauma and to

1016
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,680
use that trauma really as a springboard
to get to different places in life that

1017
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:24,840
they never even knew where possible in
the past. So this whole Chicago thing

1018
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,159
here, I mean, it brought
Jackie and Sam and I together, and

1019
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:31,239
it got the five of us talking
about this here, and we never would

1020
01:34:31,239 --> 01:34:35,720
have known each other without it.
So regardless of whether it started as a

1021
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:43,079
genuine research project or turned into something
that was not legitimate at all, whatever

1022
01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:46,479
the case is, there's a strange
undercurrent. We've connected some dots and there's

1023
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,920
some really fascinating stuff going on.
But ultimately For me, it's the human

1024
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:55,840
stories that are the most interesting.
And how do you reach those people,

1025
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,199
how do you help those people,
how do you help them develop? And

1026
01:34:59,239 --> 01:35:01,119
I'd like to add something that it's
going to anger some people out there if

1027
01:35:01,119 --> 01:35:08,399
they happened to listen to this.
Alison Jornlyn contacted me prior to a Moth

1028
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:13,119
Band festival and she wanted to know
if she could speak, and everything was

1029
01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:15,760
filled up. So I talked to
Jeff Wonsley and he said, well,

1030
01:35:15,119 --> 01:35:18,159
she can speak at three on Sunday. You know, it'd be the big

1031
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:21,479
time, the last one, and
so I told her and she said that

1032
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,000
would be fine, and it was
great because while a lot of people go

1033
01:35:26,079 --> 01:35:29,000
home on Sunday, she had a
great crowd there in the theater. And

1034
01:35:29,039 --> 01:35:33,159
of course Alison always does a phenomenal
job. So I just want some people

1035
01:35:33,159 --> 01:35:38,359
out there to know that I was
the conduit they got Alison Jornline to speak

1036
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:43,319
at the Mothband Festival And Sam,
is there anything you'd like to say to

1037
01:35:43,399 --> 01:35:48,920
kind of wind things up. I'll
tell you the experience. It's so big,

1038
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,760
there's so like I said, we're
not even scratching the surface on it,

1039
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,600
and there's so much more that has
to do with communication, and Bill

1040
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,720
really nailed it, and Jackie,
there's something an undercurrent here that we can't

1041
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:08,479
ignore, and I think it brings
us all together instead of looking at our

1042
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:14,399
differences and fighting and arguing. I'll
tell you what I would have never met.

1043
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:18,920
Allison and Scott and Mike, her
brother, and all these guys are

1044
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:24,720
my friends, and uh, jack
and I can just give you a hold.

1045
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:29,520
Even the people that caused issues,
I find I find merit to and

1046
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,560
and I respect regardless and love them
regardless. That's just the way I am.

1047
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:40,840
All I could say is that the
experience is beautiful. I've learned so

1048
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:45,920
much about people that are just ignored
today in history, and I see a

1049
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,399
common thread through all this, and
it has to do with adventure and exploration

1050
01:36:50,319 --> 01:36:58,039
and and enjoying and celebrating our differences, but more so the difference of this

1051
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:02,920
world. Thank God, it's multiple
and so strange. What a boring place

1052
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,880
would be without it? Well,
I don't think any of us are bored

1053
01:37:08,119 --> 01:37:11,920
with the things that we follow.
Okay, it's Sam. How can how

1054
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,800
can people contact you? Where?
Where can people find you? Well?

1055
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,760
As a general rule, you got
to call you got to do me and

1056
01:37:17,159 --> 01:37:24,279
give me an email at moufon sam
one, moufon sam one number one at

1057
01:37:24,399 --> 01:37:30,039
gmail dot com. And uh,
anything pertaining to other than more so than

1058
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:33,880
nuts and bolt scenario. By the
way, I'm pretty rigid and dogged in

1059
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:42,760
my research. If as as the
Bill and jack you know, so they

1060
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,319
get into a into this mode of
consideration. Took a lot of work,

1061
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:53,119
but when it hits you in the
face, it's there. And but in

1062
01:37:53,119 --> 01:38:00,199
the same token, I do prefer
things being more scientific, and I'd say

1063
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:04,119
what happens is we have other elements
of the are what they refer to as

1064
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:12,279
paranormal. All it is is just
not normal but not understood. And like

1065
01:38:12,399 --> 01:38:15,680
Jackie was stating, you know,
and we need to pay attention to these

1066
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:23,159
things. There's something else here and
I think it's it's worthy of further investigation.

1067
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:29,439
Bill and Jackie. You'll want people
to know where they can contact you

1068
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:35,159
if they have something to contribute to
your new book. Our email address is

1069
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:42,079
PRP connect at outlook dot com.
Or they can go to our website which

1070
01:38:42,119 --> 01:38:45,880
is PRP connect dot org and at
the bottom there's a contact button and that'll

1071
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:51,359
send them the email. Also excellent
and Susie. Maybe we should briefly mentioned

1072
01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:59,399
the Paranormal book Club that you started
with Andy Mercy as co hosts absolutely and

1073
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:03,039
first guest happened to be Bill.
It's right, yep. So you can

1074
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:09,159
fight us there on YouTube on Paranoral
book Club, and there's also a Facebook

1075
01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:14,119
group Paranoral book Club. Our first
book was The Mothband Prophecies by John Keel

1076
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,000
and they Kate dragged me kicking and
screaming to do that book. You know.

1077
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:24,000
Our next book is we're working on
right now is The Passport to We'll

1078
01:39:24,039 --> 01:39:27,840
Go in Here by Jacques Bullet.
Okay, well, ladies and gentlemen,

1079
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,880
I think I'm going to do our
clothes out and listen. This has been

1080
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:36,000
a really fantastic couple hours. And
like Susie, I was ready to go

1081
01:39:36,039 --> 01:39:40,159
down a different path and Sam,
you really messed me up. Well.

1082
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:48,199
Thanks, thank you again, everyone, thanks for having us. Thank The

1083
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:53,880
High Strangest Factor was created by Steve
Ward and Andy Mercer and is copyrighted on

1084
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:58,199
the Paranormal UK Radio network. I
want to thank our fearless leader is Iry

1085
01:39:58,279 --> 01:40:02,720
Nollen, block Mark Johnson and Andy
Mercer. Andy also as producer and composer

1086
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,880
of the end theme for the show, Brian Zeller for the opening theme.

1087
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:12,199
I can also be heard on Mac
Maloney's Military X Files as a correspondent weekly

1088
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:15,319
and if you listen to all the
shows from time to time, you will

1089
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:19,119
also hear Susie and Andy on Mac
show. And I am Steve Ward,

1090
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:25,319
your humble host here on the High
Strangious Factor, a displaced Michigander deep in

1091
01:40:25,359 --> 01:40:29,800
the Ohio Valley, inches from downtown
Point Pleasant, living on the same road,

1092
01:40:30,079 --> 01:40:33,439
the one, the True, the
authentic, genuine moth band once chased

1093
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:39,840
automobiles in the mid sixties. Thank
you all for listening, Andy, Susie

1094
01:40:39,840 --> 01:41:02,279
and I will see you all again
in a fortnight. Take care, s