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For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo
has been a female home builder with a

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passion for design, a mastery of
detail, and a commitment to her crack.

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With daughter Samantha Stumpo by her side, I don't need my whole family

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on a date with me. That's
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See. Stump of Development is the
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country. You're crazy, You're a
wacko, You're insane. I mean,

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it just doesn't end together. Cindy
and Samantha welcome guests to explore the world

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of construction, real estate, development, design and more. I'm predictable.

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Every time I think I know what
you want, you'd switch it out.

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But that's what makes your houses all
You're to day discuss anything that happens between

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the roof and the foundation. Nothing
is off limits. I you truly do

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care about everybody. Chicken yell at
chicken scream. But when you get her

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alone, she's the best person on
the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as

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nails and welcome to Toughest Nails on
WBZ News Radio ten thirty and we have

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dragged Jesse back into the studio.
Haven't seen it in a while. How

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you been a great thrilled to be
back. Thank you. We tell the

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audience, I'm Jesse Manackham. I'm
the executive director and CEO of Mass Golf.

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Okay, how many weeks it take
for my producer to get you back

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in here? We did some negotiating. Okay, that's a good thing.

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Welcome back, Welcome back, Jesse. Sure, And I asked obviously for

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mister Chad stump Out to be back
in here since golf is not anything that

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I should know everything about golf,
right since my kids were playing it.

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It's a passion project for him.
It's passion for him. But again it's

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not been cheap and never sending him
to IMG Academy, right, So somebody's

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got to actually go to work to
make the money to have done all this

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right, and then I could be
honest chasing that ball around for like eight

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hours. I don't know how you
guys do that, Like I could get

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a lot. So it's all mental
And back to the MGA and all the

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amazing things they've done. What efforts
are being made to attract and retain younger

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generations of golfers a mass. Yeah, I think it's you know, how

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can the game game be welcoming,
inclusive, fun? You know mentioned programs

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earlier, first T Youth on course, you've got drive, chip and putt.

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You know, an initiative from the
Masters, the USGA PG of America

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where any kid can sign up in
a fun competition have the chance to play

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in the national finals. That a
gust the national right, how good is

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that get On top of that,
the PGA of America has a program called

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PGA Junior League, So it's basically
like Little League Baseball for golf, where

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you've got some team competitions. They
play in a fun, relaxed environment,

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travel around and I think it's a
clever way to get kids engaged and enjoy

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the game together. On top of
that, you know some off course activities

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that have been successful on ramps for
the game. And we talked previously about

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top golf, drive shack. You've
got you know, new technology and fused

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mini golf venues. Right to me, anytime you get a club in someone's

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hand, in a kid's hand,
it's it's going to be impressionable, right,

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and it's an opportunity to get them
to become an offer for life.

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Yep. So you guys do all
like the physical stuff, teaching and all

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that. Now let's talk about the
really important side of the game, the

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biggest six inches between the Do you
guys do any work with mental mental side

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of golf as an organization, we
don't. You know, it's not stacked

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into one of our services, but
there's many groups out there that do you

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know, sports psychology is becoming a
very big industry. You know, you've

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got organizations out there like core Golf
and NATICK. You know Bill mcinernie involved

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as a as a coach, a
teacher, ian highfield. I mean,

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this is an important part of the
game that's going to allow kids to be

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successful playing, you know, at
the highest level potentially yep. And now

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how with this also the technology in
these kids? How's a game? In

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my opinion of courses are huge.
The game is way more powerful than it's

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ever been. Do you think it's
just the working out from the new generation

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or do you think these clubs are
well corked up? Am I? In

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my words, I think it's a
combination of things. I mean, the

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clubs I grew up playing on are
nowhere near you know what, kids have

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available these days, right, So
I think you've got to You've got to

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give a tip to the cap,
to the technology, but also the way

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kids are working at it and kind
of being instructed. You're you're seeing a

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lot more athleticism. For one,
I think you're you're seeing you you talk

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about, you know, between the
ears, right, some of these kids

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I see they're just fearless out there, right, They'll grip it and rip

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it. They don't care how hard
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the ball to go far. And
that's the advantage that they're they're helping them.

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That's the old school way of teaching
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Yeah, you can't teach it.
I twitch muscles at certain age. You

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got to grow up doing that.
But also, where do you see this

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golf welb going with all this technology
getting more head ball far, these courses

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getting longer. What do you see
any stop to this? I don't know.

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I see technology just just being a
major component to the advancement of the

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game. You know, whether that's
for sustainability efforts right off course itself,

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you know, managing the game operationally, but you know, for swing,

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for mechanics, for coaching, it's
here to stay. You know, the

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track man systems of the world,
right, You're getting instantaneous data. That's

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what That's what people want in this
world, in this in this day and

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age, right, And if that's
going to help you, if that's going

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to help you advance in your career, no matter where that that may take

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you. I think it's going to
show coaches, you know that you've got

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more than just a scoring record right
from your competitive events. You know you

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can dial into the data of you
know, your your up and down green

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and regulation. You know, you
can really get hyper focused. Yeah.

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And so are any upcoming projects or
initiatives that the MASK Associations are excited about.

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I would say, you know,
really just collaboration with some of our

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affiliate organizations. We work very closely
with the new ingle PGA US Challenge cup.

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I mentioned on the last show the
US Development Program, and I think

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that's something we are really excited about. It's it's a new endeavor. Uh,

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it's going to create a whole new
platform for junior golfers. So we're

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excited for year one to see where
that that goes and hopefully it it can

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morph into something pretty big. And
substantial for the state in your opinion.

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You know you've been around golf your
whole life. Where do you want to

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see the golf world in Massachusetts go? I would love to see, you

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know, the sustainability of the game
for one, right, keeping people in

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the game no matter at what stage
in their career or life they're in.

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You know, if they have the
ability to be competitive, great, If

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it's more of a recreational sport for
them, nothing wrong with that, right,

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So how can we make sure for
anyone interested in golf there's an outlet,

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there's an opportunity, there's a way
for that to fit into their daily

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activity, right. I think we're
starting to see the game become more relevant.

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We're seeing laps golfers come back into
the game. We're seeing a lot

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of new golfers, golfers of you
know, different diversity, a lot more

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women playing the game than ever before. So, you know, I keep

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saying that it's it's become relevant of
it again. I think you know that's

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because you can you can make it
what you want of it. Right,

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If it's an hour of practice and
so fashion, you know, you don't

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have to play that traditional eighteen hole
round anymore. You can play nine,

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you can play six holes. You
know, a lot of facilities have a

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different, unique type of loop.
You know, that'll get you started,

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get you back to the clubhouse in
the car, and you can get home

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and make dinner. Stupid right there. But so, you know, playing

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golf in Florida and all around the
world, you know, playing the European

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Tour, I see as diverse.
It's very diverse out there, which is

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amazing. How is the diversity in
golf in Massachusetts. It's improving, and

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you know, we're we're making some
strides in that effort. We want to

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make sure our community is as diverse
as it possibly can be. You know,

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if that's increasing, you know,
first t programming in different parts pockets

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of the state, if it's increasing
our ability to offer affordable access to kids

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through youth on course, we want
to be champions of that. We want

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to work with facilities, with leadership
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as well. There's more that can
be done. I think we're just scratching

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the surface there. So something we're
excited about. I love it. And

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for the golf world, you know, everyone thinks about golf, as you

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know, it is prima donnas sport
and all that. What are the misconceptions

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are golf in your opinion, Well, I think you kind of hit the

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nail on the head. There are
even well it's changed a lot, I

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mean, even from you know,
I think the old, old traditions and

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such are starting to kind of morph
into you know, the culture of where

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we are in twenty twenty four.
You're seeing golf clothing look a lot different

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than I never did. You're seeing
people engage in the game in a much

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different way. You know, you've
got music out on the golf course and

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some some capacities. You know,
that's not everyone's cup of tea, but

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you know there's some acceptance to that. You're seeing hoodies at the golf course,

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right, Yeah, So you know, little things like that I think,

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you know, are starting to get
people more comfortable. Yeah, change

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attract a different audience. So it's
not also uptight. They are a little

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more loose out there, welcome.
But I do think there's a balance there,

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right, because you're you're bringing a
lot of new people into the game.

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They may not be as educated with
with etiquette and ways to treat the

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golf course. Things of that.
Nature pace of play. Right, So

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somehow, you know, I think
we have an obligation, along with other

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industry representatives, to make sure that
we strike that balance and we continue to

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educate all that air playing the game. Okay, hold that thought. We're

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You know. Welcome back to Tough
Nails on WBC News Radio ten Thory

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and I'm Citney Stumpo, and I'm
here with Angelina, and I'm here with

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and Jesse. I just may good
question. I'm coming out of the last

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time I settle the dumb questions.
I'm going back to dumb Okay, we're

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making the turn. We're making the
turn. Yeah, I need I need

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some I need. Like all you
people do is talk about golf. I

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know it's a golf show, but
I'm like, okay, golf, golf.

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I listen, truthfully, you've been
golfing your whole pretty much your whole

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life. So like you got married, you had children, and we're still

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playing Sage and Sunday's Golf. No
oh, you were right, So it

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happened. What happened is we had
we have several obligations and activities that are

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fun to be a part of.
Right, I wouldn't be in politically correct

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yet. Well, but given seriousness, right, I mean, given the

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opportunity. Yeah. Like, I
know when I was married, if if

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joking' golf that six days or golf
five days and he wanted to golf,

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he'd pouts. So I'd be like, just go golf then, because it

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was worth it for you to go
golf. Come back six hours later,

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and then you're not pouting anymore.
Do you know what I'm saying? I

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do, I do, I go
so there many times have you pouted with

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your wife like you really want to
go golf and not do what she really

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wanted to do. I'm without causing
it, right, I'm around golf.

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It's my job, it's my life. It's a passion, et cetera.

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You know, married eleven years,
streak, he's being politically quirk to save

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his marriage right now. I don't
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Okay, well, Stephanie, if
you say to Stephanie like out of

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nowhere, you know, I really
just want to go play eighteen holes and

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nine holes. We'll make it work. We'll figure it out. We'll figure

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it out so there's no ball break
in like nose times, there can be

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sure. Yeah, but I pick
my spots. How about that? Okay,

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that's a good thing. Yeah.
So when do you believe that golfers

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to get to the next level have
to be the most selfish people at some

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point until I get there. I
think there's an argument for that. But

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for any sport or any high level
profession, there's got to be some some

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self serving selfishness. The one thing
I noticed with all my professional athletes,

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and god knows, in thirty six
years, I've had many many, many

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come through Boston, whether they've been
Bruins players, Soult's players, Red Sox

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players, not a lot of football
players because they go out further out.

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I've noticed one thing in Calm with
all the wives, they are behind those

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men, and a lot met to
college. It seems like they prepare with

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the right meals, the right food
right, and then when those men get

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to a higher level and they're making
massive contracts, I see the chefs come

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in, but I see the women
doing all the heavy lifting at home,

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the kids. This the that I
had a player get traded, they lived

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in Brookline and didn't even know he's
going to get traded and boom, she's

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got to send his He just goes
right from the locker room and goes right

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to his next place, is going
the next state, and the wife organizes

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his clothes to get to the next
state. It's a tough job on the

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wives, no doubt. And it's
it's to me. It's about the support

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system, right, So let's talk
about let's think about the window of opportunity

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for any elite athlete, right,
that might be from eighteen to twenty eight.

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There you go, eighteen to twenty
eight. You've got to capitalize in

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ten years time, right, So
you're going to need that support system to

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take care of those odds and ends, right and build a team that that's

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going to allow you to put your
energy and focus in the training and the

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well being and the and the health
the psychology that we talked about earlier.

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It's more than a full time job. You know, you're committing yourself to

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be at that level to capitalize on
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you notice that golfers need more mental
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it's the ball. Yeah, I
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the club, yes, because it's
also an individualized sport, correct, Yeah,

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and you have nobody but you right
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you have golf that's like and like
Chad always says that, I know

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you've talked about it before. The
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the year for how long? Three
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what is it? Three and a
half minutes and you're only hitting what seventy

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shots? That's it. So you
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doing car. He took a lot
of walking and thinking. That's right.

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And when you're in a golfer's head
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right, this is what I would
say. Knowing certain astrology signs. Germany

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Is are probably I gotta look this
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because they can look in the front
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always in the rear view mirror.
I know. It's one thing about Chad

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through the years of playing, when
that kid would shoot Birdie, he'd go

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another Birdie, Bertie. If you
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Right, let's go car look like
circle, circle, circle, big boxes,

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big boxes. So I start to
say to his dad, don't you

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see this is all his head out
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shots another bird, he shoots another
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he shoot a bogue, he shoots
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It's toughness, right, How do
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you get how do you you know, erase put in the rear view move

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on to the next. But that's
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and you need the support system around
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other golfer when they're We can't even
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my I remember he had long here. Remember we had here. Preparation is

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I'm never prepared. If I'm not
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long here. And I went to
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know, and the official came right
over to me, like, what do

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you think I'm giving him a point
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old. You can't be out there. The only one that can be talking

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to him is his caddy. And
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Chad's biggest problems. He was so
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and everybody on Chad's team and the
European They want an older person on his

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bag. Trust Yet No, not
that, not that his caddy wasn't He

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needs somebody that was stronger than him. Yeah, and that would have been

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somebody that had ten years on him
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was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, the guy in his bag had to

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be twenty seven, nine thirty.
There's nothing when I was just freshing caddy

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dynamic, right, yep. I
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my brother oorsually you know, we're
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he was. It was It was
a comfort zone for me, That's what

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it was. I didn't need someone
to read my gramps from me or anything

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like that because I could do all
that. And everyone's different, right,

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you might need that mentor type individual. Although Chad's loyalty okay, and Chad

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said I'm not going to play another
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him off my back. That's loyalty
federation. Other people just need someone to

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distract them, right, maybe to
laugh throughout the four hours. That's that's

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what I like. It can make
me laugh to my ball then about fifty

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yards before my ball start got me, but yes, start get already on

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the PGA. Those guys got caddies, that are what they're professional caddies,

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right, that's their career, and
their career is to do what what's a

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professional caddies job to do? Really
keep you in the game, guide coach,

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you know, keep maybe focused,
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at hand. Would you say at
a young age, it's important once they

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get to like sixteen, fifteen,
sixteen seventeen, to have a good caddy

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with them. Yeah, if that's
your I'd say, once you get to

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a certain level, yeah exactly.
Okay, well okay, if you get

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to that age of that better level, and keep in mind to there's certain

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events. You know, college,
you're carrying your own bag, correct,

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there's no caddies in college. A
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it's it's a friend, it's a
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be. I love. It was
different for me because I was already playing

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pro events at fifteen out in Florida. So that's why I had my caddyes,

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because I like playing professional events then
junior events where everyone's like, so,

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what you would you make on this? Would you make on this?

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Call for a check too? They
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There was a couple of things I
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if this is still going on.
Chad would be on a computer before,

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you know, before we went to
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I'd be like, what are you
looking at? And these older men and

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other kids, Oh, child's going
to take this tournament. Our child's going

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to get wiped out. Stump was
going to make this always going to get

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killed. I'm like, why are
you reading that stuff? Like does that

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still go on? And why why
were we doing that? We're talking like

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social media? Yea, yeah,
yeah, I think that's the local stuff.

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Child, They were doing it,
even the local stuff. They were

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playing that game on. Yeah.
When I came back and I started playing

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like being on the European Door,
I mean, yeah, it's going to

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happen. They're going to talk well
that I would say to him. It

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was even younger I remember, and
I'd say shut that down. Shut that

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down. Don't look at It's not
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not going to motivate. I mean, there may be some people that that

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it did. It used to feeling
at a young age and stuff like that,

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but you know, at a certain
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You know, I was that good? Is all talent? I was.

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I put the work in a little
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You know talent within a half an
hour of watching it, And hold

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that thought and I'll let you answer
when you come back. My microration,

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does you know talent when you see
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And welcome back to Tops Nails on
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the studio with who Angelina Chad Jesse. All right, let's go. Jesse.

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My question as we were going off
to break last time was do you

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know talent from a mile away at
this stage of the game, do you

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know the kids that are talented?
Yeah, I do. When I was

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running our events more regularly, i'd
be around it much more and I was

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much more in tune. Now,
I think just just being around the game

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for almost twenty years, I think
I can point that out. But I'm

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no expert. I'm no teacher.
I'm not a pizza professor. I get

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that. But yeah, I think
it's you could see. In most cases,

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you can see. I gotta tell
you, if I had a due

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over for Chad, I would have
never let them go to IMG Academy.

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No. See, I got to
disagree that. I know, no,

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that that actually shaped me. That
actually got me technically sound. Even though

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I don't totally agree with the lead
better swing, it got me technically sound.

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If I had to do over.
I'm sorry, I gotta say it,

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I would have never had a girlfriend
at eighteen. Okay, I just

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made it on the European Tour.
I just made a horrible decision. That's

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where I should have been selfish.
That's where I come back to what you

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said, do you need to be
selfish in this game? That's when I

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should have chose to be selfish.
Okay, your opinion that went Jesse because

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you know what, a young guy, well, he can't really have an

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opinion because it was my life.
I chose him to do stupid things with

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that. It's a little personal,
right yeah. But most guys that age,

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you're out of high school, you're
doing stupid still, you know what

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I mean, It's time to do
stupid right stupid? Yeah I didn't.

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So I was a goody two shoe
and then that that world got introduced to

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me. At that time. What
were your what was your north star?

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What were you hoping to achieve?
You know it. I was on tour,

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I was playing unbelievable, I was
winning everything around. When I was

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coming to Florida, I was just
trying to just keep going. Yeah,

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I try to get to number one
right there, and uh yeah, girl

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in my life, stop practicing,
smoking weed, drinking, doing drugs,

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doing stupid stuff. End up getting
the yips on on Tori. Oh yeah

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for a couple of years. If
I had to redo, that's my reado

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right there. I should have been
selfish and just worried about Wow, I

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made it. We just did this. I just finished low amateur. My

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first European Tour event was that also
a circumstance of getting comfortable with a different

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part of the world, living in
a different part of the world. That

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was the whole kick that I would
have just stayed. I would have stayed

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adjustment. Well, now he lived
there tomorrow, because now he's twenty nine,

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and now you know, at twenty
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I have a game that I had
a seventeen, when I played at twenty

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five with that mindset twenty six,
I would have moved there. But you

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know what they say, that was
a big demise a couple of years.

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Got to get out of the rear
view mirror, got to move forward.

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I ripped it off. It's gone. You ripped off the beage. But

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you can tell talent. Yeah,
yeah, I'm not an expert again,

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but you can see someone has a
talent with a swing and all that.

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But it's a lot different. You
have to have a special kind of mind

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to play this game. Now,
if you have a talent of mind,

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that's a big difference. Okay,
I've got a question. How does the

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Mass Golf Association address issues with accessibility
and affordability within the sport. Yeah,

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we're a community for any golfer,
right, no matter age. Gender,

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you know, diverse background. Anybody
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about the affordability piece in our youth
program of youth on course where we're subsidizing

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rounds of golf, so kids paying
no more than five dollars per round.

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That's that to us is something for
the future, right We're building our future

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golfers, our future members, breaking
down a barrier of entry, if you

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will. Also with First T,
you know, if if any kid who

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wants to participate in First T has
any financial challenges, we're going to support

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that. We're going to take care
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form. Accessibility. There's quite a
few programs right now in this space,

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some of which we support. We
own and operate a par three golf course

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in Norton where we have several groups
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There's groups like Golf for All.
The New England PGA has a branch

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where they're offering accessible programs and such. So you know, you even look

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at on the national level, the
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five years. There's a lot to
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you know, from a logistics and
operations standpoint. Okay, it goes to

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my next question. Yeah, how
important is a community engagement and outreach from

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Massachusetts Golf Association. It's vital,
It's absolutely vital. Yeah, I mean,

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we want to be the outlet for
any golfer no matter how you engage

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in the game. If you're twelve
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old, if you're a fan of
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editor, we have an option in
a way for you to engage in the

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sport, and we want to grow
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that want to participate. Is that
what donuts? Certainly with donors corporations donating,

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we do, We absolutely do.
Unfortunately, balls are expensive, clubs

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are expensive. It's not you know, buying a basketball and the basketball in

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net, right, Golf's expensive exactly. Yeah, So like the companies that

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you know, they get rid of
this line of golf clubs, like we're

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looking for a stupid golf club for
chatity, how to have right on every

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was your big brother, big you're
talking nineties and five. We found it

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like we weren't ever used. And
then he got I get it, and

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one was I didn't even screw it
like I took it out. It was

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a half a screw like before a
tournament. But he got the new ones.

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But before But when these companies and
they just stop making a club,

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but they still have hundreds and hundreds
of thousands and thousands in the warehouse,

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they do they give them away?
Do they? Yeah? I think depending

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on the organization, there's channels that
they go through, you know, to

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make sure that those clubs can get
get utilized. For us, we've got

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sets upon sets. We offer donations
of clubs, you know, if people

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have not you guys got sets and
sets we do, and we put them

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to use, you know, through
these junior programs. And is that people

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donating the clubs they buy new clubs
exactly? Yeah? And balls balls to

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an extent. Yeah, And what
about like shoes golf shoes, I'd probably

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put in that same category with balls. I mean, you can only use

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shoes so much, right, so
they wear out or you gotta change the

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spikes. But you know, I
was actually just thinking of questions, just

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pop out them to my mind because
I've been watching a lot of ESPN,

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a lot of college sports, and
in the golf world. So like you

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know, there's female golf and it's
become more open and females that common all.

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Uh with all this, you know, gender change and everything. Do

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you see yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Do you

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see that playing in golf role?
Yeah, I think it has. We've

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seen it recently in college sports.
Let me ask that question. Yeah.

409
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So basically we'll take a trenchender man
to a woman. He definitely has more

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strength than a woman. Does.
I have the same problem with swimming.

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So this is me talking. Nobody
takes any heat for what I have to

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say. This is me, Cindy
Stump for talking. Okay, you are

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a man. You're swimming against women, when you're playing golf against women.

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You are stronger than I am.
You can take that ball off the teeth,

415
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asset and how to than I can
and longer. Right, But this

416
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is the new world that we live
in, right, So man, it

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can be girls anything else. It's
really and it's going to open up to

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the golf community too. It's about
access and opportunity. Yeah, That's why

419
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I was ask where are we seeing
I'm just going to be very much careful

420
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on the delivery in that one.
I think what you said is fair.

421
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There's organizations and policies in place too, but a lot of people in the

422
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and the swimming community does not think
it's fair. There are absolutely two camps,

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okay, And what is the consensus
on the golf community. And again,

424
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not holding anything you say for your
company, I'm just asking you a

425
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personal opinion because I haven't been haven't
been paying attention to the swimming community.

426
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I have for some reason basting.
Is it a problem? Yeah? Broadcast

427
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but out there okay, So I
shall ask you. That's why I was

428
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asking, because I'm not I haven't
been in the golf well in a couple

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of years, and I see all
this going on. I go for the

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people listeners out there, like is
are they accepting? They do? They

431
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have certain things for it, Like
what's going on? Do we see it?

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I think even you know, just
recently there was a women's golf tour

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I want to say out in Arizona
that reverse their posture on a trans player

434
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where they're no longer allowing them to
anticipate where they did previously. But there

435
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are organizations that that do permit it. You know, you've got to go

436
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through the proper protocols and channels and
transitional times, you know, and that's

437
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something that we are currently working on
right now. Right How are we going

438
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to support a trans athlete, you
know, to participate in our events?

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You know, in a lot of
ways, we are aligned with the USGA,

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you know, because a competitor could
be playing in a mass golf event

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or USJA qualifier in Massachusetts that could
get them on the national scene at a

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USGA event. So in all likelihood
we'll do a weekend to follow their policy

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or procedure. But it's a challenging
thing to overcome, and I think at

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the end of the day, we
want to be inclusive and provide an opportunity

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for golfers to compete. I think
that's that was the most correct dance I've

446
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ever heard out of everybody's mouth.
I think we handled it just perfectly.

447
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Fine, Okay, we're going to
break on that one. All right.

448
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This is Cindy Stumbling listening Toughest Nails
in WBZ News Radio attempt. He will

449
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.960
be right back. Sponsored by new
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451
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welcome back to Tap his Nails on
WBZ News Radio ten thirty And I'm here

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00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:30.680
with Angelina, Chad Jesse Minochem start
again. Which last name? Angelina Gorilla

453
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.680
going into stump? Oh, okay, Chad, And what does she do?

454
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.559
I need a ring first, future
wife, that's what you say.

455
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Yeah, and you need a ring, you golf widow. Yeah, he

456
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.599
does have a beautiful girlf and we
got to give it, right, she's

457
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more beautiful on the inside. Schauscer, Okay, she is. I actually

458
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like that. So that's a good
thing. Right, that's a good thing

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coming from me. One time I
found someone has morals and it's a good

460
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person. Well say that's morals values, old school sponsored with liable, dependable.

461
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That's all the stuff that everybody needs
to make the next generation healthy kids

462
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and what you're raising because you're raising
like I don't even know what these kids

463
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can turn out to be. But
anyways, they might be playing golf on

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the moon. I don't know.
They might never leave the house. They'll

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play the video games on the golf. But anyway, back to golf.

466
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Okay, Jesse, here's what I
want to know. I want to know

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all the events that are coming up. What do you got coming up?

468
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Talk do you think and let the
lissas know and understand if the kids want

469
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to participate, how they get involved. Blah blah blah. Yeah. So

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the beauty of mass Golf is we've
got an event for everybody. You know,

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whether you're an elite competitor playing in
a state championship or you just want

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to play in a casual tournament type
setting. So you know, from Chad's

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perspective, we've got the state championship
level of play from the Mass Open to

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the Mass Amateur and Midam to the
Women's Amateur, where you'll see top collegiate

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players, mid am players, and
seniors competing. We have tournaments, we

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have mixed events, we have our
Member Days, which allows for access for

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any member of mass Golf to enjoy
an experience at a public facility within the

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state. And then we've got junior
competition, so our Junior Amateur Championship,

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Girls Junior, our young golfers thirteen
and under. So, like I said,

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any age, any type of competition, we've got it. I do

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want to touch though. We've got
a couple of high profile events coming to

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Massachusetts very fortunate the last couple of
years. Yeah, well the first one

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here is the LPGA Tour. They
are coming back after about a thirty year

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hiatus. They'll be playing over Labor
Day weekend at TPC Boston for the FM

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Global Cha. Last time we the
here, wasn't it the Welchers or something

486
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like that over Hill Hell yeah's right, Yeah, that's right. So really

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exciting to have that back in play. There's a lot of support in around

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Boston within the community. You know, our office is in that backyard,

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so we're doing a lot to support
them and excited for what that stage and

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platform can offer. You know,
we've got the likes of Megan Kang,

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you know, one of our own
who grew up in Massachusetts, playing on

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the LPGA Tour. She won her
first event I think about a year ago

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up in Canada, so we'll be
rooting her on, but that'll be special.

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And then we've been on a little
bit of a sequence with the USGA.

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You know, we had the US
Open just a couple of years ago

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at Brookline. We had the US
Senior Amateur at Catansit. We had the

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US Midamateur over on Nantucket at Sancity
Head. This coming year, Brayburn is

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hosting the US Women's Mid Am Championship, so that's right, this is one

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of two championships that the club's hosting. Then in twenty twenty eight they're going

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to host the US Women's Amateur Championship. So really the best females from around

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the country, around the world.
We'll be writing Newton Center, Newton Corner.

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So really, you know, two
staples in the women's calendar and to

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look forward to in twenty twenty four. And Megan, good luck out there.

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I wish you all the best.
Love to see another mass resident,

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no doubt, okay again? And
what about parents that their kids are just

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starting how can they get into these
events if they don't know how to do

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it as a participant. Through our
website maskolf dot org also first tmass dot

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dot com, we have first t
programming, youth on course accessibility programming.

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I would also encourage you know those
for looking for more competition in the junior

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space. The US Challenge Cup,
the New England PGA, they have two

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very strong junior tours yep. And
I grew up with the folks out there.

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I grew up playing those and there's
a strong competition run by great people

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and honestly it's just unbelievable terms all
around. I had a blast playing them

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and they shaped me to where I
got my career from. What ages did

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you feel that from twelve eleven,
twelve to seventeen to sixteen, right before

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I went to Europe? And what
was the hottest year is with you playing?

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When did you feel the competition getting
heavier? Oh? When I went

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to IMG fourteen, Yeah, fourteen
to fifteen, I went down South,

519
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so I saw the top of the
top golfers. I was the top of

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top down South. But I went
to the number one sports school. I

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went to No. One sports school
in the world. I went to IMG

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and then I went to Gary Golchrist
and so I saw some of the best

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I had Jesus Roots Patrick went there
in my place. I saw Peter u

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Line at IMG. Do you believe
how many clients send their kids to IMG

525
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.079
lot They've had a heck of an
operation and yeah, I mean, and

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the place looks completely different than when
Mike Kid went to school. Theather it's

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changed so much in ten years.
But like Morgan Hoffman went to Gary Goo

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Christ. Yeah, what you're feeling
on that just as. Okay, this

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has nothing to do with with with
masks. If your son was a golf

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and said I want to go to
IMG one of those, you know,

531
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would you send him if that's the
path that you know he or our daughter

532
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would be looking for. You know, I don't know enough about them right

533
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as a as a dad, right
if that's the right platform for them.

534
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But if they're you know, hard
and fast on pursuing a career at the

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highest level of golf, you know
I would want to do as much as

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I can to support that. Okay, even if you here's my take on

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golf. As again, it's only
my opinion. I think golf is a

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game like any other sport, but
especially golf. You don't have to become

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a PGA player to always be able
to make a living with golf. And

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let me explain to you why Check
could go. He could be a teacher.

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He could be teaching, he could
be one a pro shop. You

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could own a pro shop. There's
many other avenues, but the big one

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for me is I literally could send
him out five days a week playing with

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my clients, tournaments, sending how
much for Chad can Chad teach me?

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My clients would keep pulling him in
every country club event so they could win

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the fourth son right and be the
big shots on the on the There's a

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lot of ways to the game here, but here here's the big one.

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For any business, there's more deals
made on a golf course than anywhere else

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in any boardroom in this country.
Okay, you get out there and you

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play golf and you have that scotch, you're lighting that cigara, you're not

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00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:40.159
overdoing the drinking, and you're playing
on the attention to that office. No,

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you cannot know. You cannot.
So my point is just because your

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daughter or your son doesn't become the
next PGA, you know phenom it is

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for business. It's a great tool. So I'm always telling Chad, okay,

555
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:00.519
need you go pay play for Village
Bank? And I need you.

556
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And he shoots a hole in one
and my president of my bank is going

557
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.480
jumping up and down because he had
never saw anybody shoot a hole in one.

558
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.159
There's Chad, right, and he
was like going crazy, calling me

559
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like you sound your shirt whole one. But again, golf also I think

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makes a man out of a of
a boy and makes a woman out of

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a girl. But more for the
boys because they have to learn responsibility and

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they and the one thing about golf
is very It's a very respectful, right,

563
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That's where I was going. It's
a very It's a gentleman sport.

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00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.719
It has always been a gentleman sport
and it probably will stay a gentleman sport.

565
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.440
Right. There's no throwing your baseball
bat like Chad would do. Right

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00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.519
when you play baseball, well,
and think about it too, right,

567
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.960
you're taking it helmet off and throwing
it, calling a penalty on yourself if

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you do that, you know.
So. I just think that golf.

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I think that it's the honor system. I think golf brings a core that

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00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.000
some of the sports just don't bring. And I don't think it could hurt

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your child being out there in for
eight hours out there golfing and doing something

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constructive and doing stupid stuff. It's
a lifetime. It adds so much.

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It brings so much to the table. I know absolutely how to hold myself

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accountable. I don't know about the
cod pop. I'll give you the accountable

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00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:36.440
pot was still learning. But what
it did give him was he knew how

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00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.719
to shake a man's hand at twelve
years old and look him in the eye.

577
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:45.719
He knew how to be with older
people from golf and sit down the

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00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.800
country club in the clubhouse with his
dad and carry himself with me and and

579
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.239
thank you and please and all the
things that I would have taught him at

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home, because I'd be like,
go get the life. No. I

581
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.599
came home from a IMG said,
y'all, thank you, sir, ma'am.

582
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.599
She's like, who's this kid?
Lee, I'm like, please,

583
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.920
thank you. Who's he? But
anyways, we're going to break I'm Sidney

584
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.280
Stumpley. He listen the Toughest Nails
on w BZ News Radio ten thirty and

585
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:32.880
We'll be right back. Don't cold. I'm on Gemma got out up and

586
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.639
I'm Sinny stumping You. Listen the
Toughest Nails on w BZ News Radio ten

587
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.920
thirty. Jesse, how do people
leat you? Well, let me first

588
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.039
off just say thanks, it's great
to be with team Stumpo here. Love

589
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:50.039
it with Chad and Cindy. Obviously
mask golf, you know we are we

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00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.239
are the community within Massachusetts to engage
with the game, to be part of

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00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:58.679
the sport, and and to enjoy
the sport. However that you know fits

592
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.239
into your lifestyle. So our website
massolf dot org. Check us out,

593
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.599
become a member. Make today a
golf day. That's our phrase, right,

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So whatever that means, if it's
an hour of practice, it's nine

595
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:14.119
whole rounds or going out with you
know, a couple of generations and enjoying

596
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.679
yourself in what we have to offer
here in the Commonwealth. And congratulations.

597
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.360
Let me shake your hand on your
new position. You deserve the money,

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00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:23.599
can't. I gotta go out.
We have a great, safe week and

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00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.400
everybody, we'll see you next weekend. This is Cindy Stumbo Top his Nails

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on WBZ News Radio ten thirty