1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,199 Hi everyone, and this is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of 2 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:13,720 As Spooky Tells, the podcast for all things as Spooky, sometimes to crime. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,559 Sometimes they mixed in a little bit. Today is depressing. I'm sorry 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,399 this episode needs a trigger warning for child abuse and murder. Oh yes, 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,960 yes, I'm talking about a cult, Carmen, a cult that maybe you 6 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:32,640 haven't heard of. It's in Brazil. It's the Superior Universal Alignment cult. 7 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,240 I don't think I have. I thought maybe you were going to tell me 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,159 about the lady who was a pastor also and then she had a bunch of 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,439 orphans that she claimed were her children, and it was kind of like a 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,399 cult. Oh is that in Brazil? Yeah? Oh well, let's add 11 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:49,719 that on for a future topic. I know a little bit about her, 12 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:52,799 but no, no, this is a I guess another colt in Brazil. 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,159 Okay, okay, yeah yeah, but before we get into that, I 14 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:00,799 have a listener story for you. Yay, And this is If you want 15 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:03,759 to sit in your stories for us to read on the podcast, you can 16 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:07,040 email us Pooky doosigmail dot com. You can DM us on any of our 17 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:11,040 socials. You can call these Pooky Hotline the numbers in the show notes. 18 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:12,680 It's the only phone number there. I'm sorry, I don't know it and 19 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:17,640 I will never know. Yes the listener story. This one was sent by 20 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:22,719 Dre via Instagram and here it goes, hey booz ghost emoji. I have 21 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:26,200 a short scary story to share. So, like eleven years ago in twenty 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,959 twelve, my boyfriend now husband, congrats, congrats. Yes, my boyfriend 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,719 now husband and I used to take day to night drives into Angelus Chrisforest here 24 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,719 in California. We are big on stargazing and always looking for UFOs and the 25 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:42,640 unknown. I remember one night we drove up there and I don't remember exactly 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,280 why, but we started arguing. I then wanted to go home, so 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,359 we started driving back to the city. I get motion sickness, so I 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,879 remember we pulled into this empty lot so I could calm down. The forest 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,799 has a lot of stops, so it's hella secluded, and if you've ever 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,280 been in the forest at night, you know it's pitch black unless there's a 31 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,239 full moon. So we pull over and we continue arguing, when all of 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,599 a sudden, my hobbie says his chest hurts and he starts grabbing it. 33 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,400 He's saying he can't breathe. Ooh, that's not good. He can't breathe 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,000 and it hurts, and I'm like this food. She thought he was making 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,680 it up. I tell him to stop fucking around and lying. He's like, 36 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:22,479 doubled over, doubled over. She's like, bitch, stop. All 37 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:25,039 of a sudden, you want to get a heart attack when it's convenient for 38 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:30,199 you. You want to die in the middle of this argument that we haven't 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,719 resolved. Okay, no, he tells me, I'm not. I think 40 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:37,680 I'm having a heart attack. Then all of a sudden, we start feeling 41 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:40,879 the car sway and rock. Mind you, we're still inside the car with 42 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,159 the car running and our headlights on. At first we think, oh shit, 43 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:49,199 there's an earthquake, but then we see this black cape thing circling the 44 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,560 car the fuck The best way I can describe it, it was like a 45 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:54,719 ghost or death from the movie The Frighteners. I don't know that movie. 46 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,719 I'm picturing a de mentor. That's what I'm picturing too. She then says, 47 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:01,080 I haven't seen it. I suggest it. It's a good end of 48 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:05,199 nineties film. So we freak the fuck out and book it down the hill 49 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:07,719 and get to the city slash civilization. Once we're out of the forest, 50 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,520 my hobbies started feeling better, and we didn't go back for a good month 51 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,520 or two till this day. When we drive by that lot, we always 52 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,520 get shivers and wonder what the fuck we saw that night? Shock emoji. 53 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,199 I mean, wow, that's scary. Yeah. Yes, We've had a 54 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:25,960 bunch of spooky, weird, unexplained events happened to us, and right now 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,919 we have found ourselves dealing with our son seeing my dad. Oh I just 56 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,520 lost my dad last year in May twenty twenty two, so sorry for your 57 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,800 loss. Now our son is telling us he sees old Papa, which is 58 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:42,159 what he called my dad, and stuff about my dad and his passing that 59 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,240 he shouldn't know he's only seven, and it crews me the fuck out. 60 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:47,400 But in a sweet way. I would be like, that's cute, but 61 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,520 I would also be terrified. Yeah, yeah, you know. She could 62 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:53,759 just be like, Dad, I love you, I'm glad you want to 63 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:58,039 see my son still, but it is a little scary for me, and 64 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,199 maybe it'll stop. I think so, I think so, I think with 65 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,879 loved ones that would one hundred percent work. Yeah, thank you for your 66 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:05,360 time. I can't wait for a new episode. Do you guys make me 67 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:09,439 feel like I know you in real life and have me laughing like a damn 68 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,240 donkey haii slash Hyaena. Not to mention I'm always scared as fuck sleeping with 69 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,759 the lights on and forcing my cat's slay a bit of me much love, 70 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,279 support and spooky vibes and a lot of heart emojis and a pumpkin emoji. 71 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:24,360 Thank you for your story and again sorry for your loss. But also I 72 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,800 think you're red carman. I think when you tell the ghosts of all love 73 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,439 them like, hey, I'm scared, like I love you, but I'm 74 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,040 I'm as spooked I think to leave. Yeah, yeah, and we'll accept 75 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:35,839 the spooky vibes, but like only like pretend spook vibes, not real spooky 76 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,079 vibes. No, not real spooky vibes, just cute as spooky vibes. 77 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,759 Like I don't know what a cute a spooky vibe is, but I'll take 78 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:45,480 that one. Like, oh, listen to your scary stories, but I 79 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:47,199 want no part in them. Yes, I yeah, I don't want to 80 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,560 see anything because I would die and literally like that would be the end of 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,839 me. I'm not kidding when I say make Aguay memoile, That's exactly what 82 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:58,639 I would do, like if I saw something for real. Okay, but 83 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,160 make sure you work cute underwear. Yeah that's what we said last episode. 84 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,879 Yeah you're so yeah, thank you again for the story. Again. If 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,600 you want to send a story, email it or DMS, that's fine either 86 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:11,959 one. So onto today's topic. Uh, the I forgot that I'm already 87 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,319 something something the Brazil Superior Universal Alignment Cult Alignment Alignment Cult. Yeah yeah, 88 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:23,639 and it's not your everyday regular cult. There's ties here to aliens, satanism, 89 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:28,680 dark magic. Maybe it is your ever I was about to say what 90 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:32,519 it's about, right, Yeah, you're right, because Heaven's Gate did involve 91 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:38,319 aliens. I was watching a Fundy Friday's video recently about man. What is 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,199 it called something love? Oh? The is it? The Love has One 93 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,040 Cold? Yes? Yeah, and that was also some alien stuff. Yeah 94 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:55,879 you're right, this is your everyday cold. Yeah. Okay, So welcome 95 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,639 to our Haunted break. 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Do we know any good 114 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,959 people with the last name Andrede? I don't know. I know to andrads 115 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:42,439 right now and this one. Yeah, so not good for the Andrads. 116 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,480 If you're good Andrede, let us know, no, that way we know 117 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,360 they exist. Yeah yeah, so yeah, that was her name. She 118 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:55,240 was born in Gracigno, Brazil, and there's not much about her early life, 119 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,879 at least not that is public. She was a preacher red flag. 120 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,920 Yeah, think that being a preacher at some point is a prerequisite a red 121 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,160 flag and a prerequisite to being a cult leader. That's why I couldn't be 122 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:09,240 a cult leader. And I can't preach. Could you be a cult leader 123 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:11,959 or no? I don't think I could be because I just don't. I 124 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,839 don't have that much charisma or risks as a youth say, I see you're 125 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,480 using the word now. Yeah. I don't have leadership skills. I don't 126 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,959 want them. I remember when I was in the army, they'd be like, 127 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:26,759 you need to be a leader. I'm like, actually, I'm a 128 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,959 follower. You know, I think I could be if I wanted, I 129 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,720 could, But it's tiring. It's tiring to be. And I say that 130 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:37,519 because I'm sort of in a leadership position right now, because I have an 131 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,279 intern and it's exhausting. It really is. Whenever I have the trained people 132 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:45,399 at work, I'm like, ooh, what do I even say? What 133 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,480 do I do? And then I get tired. Yes, it's just tired. 134 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,919 Like I don't think I could be a cult leader. And yeah, 135 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,200 so I'm a follower. I couldn't be a cult leader. Yeah. But 136 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,159 Valentina Andrade here she is a cult leader. So not much is known about 137 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:01,919 her early life. She has a memoir or book where or a biography on 138 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,279 her website. I'm not sure all three. Did she write it? I 139 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,879 don't know where this came from. Yeah, she wrote her own biography as 140 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:11,679 well on her website. So she mentions in her biography that she she's illiterate, 141 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,240 that she could read if she wanted to, but it would like not 142 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:20,440 go with her spiritualness, like it would ruin the connection she has with the 143 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,159 spiritualness. Okay, that's why she doesn't choose to read, but she could 144 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:28,559 she wanted to. That's on her biography. Okay, yes, a little 145 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,919 weird to say. Yeah to me, this kind of shows that she is 146 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,519 from maybe a disadvantage background. She also mentions that she never owned any toys 147 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,279 when she was young. They had no money for bicycles, toys, no 148 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:43,879 money. So I'm like, yeah, that fits then. Yeah. And 149 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:48,759 she also mentions in her biography that she is a romantic, a loyal, 150 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:54,279 extrovert, and that she has never done anything to disturb her conscious and she's 151 00:09:54,320 --> 00:10:01,720 never done anything evil. Yeah, a little weird to say in a biography, 152 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:05,559 righting, Like I'm Christina and I don't do anything evil. Okay. 153 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,240 It's like people that all the time they keep saying they're a good person over 154 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,440 and orien, and it's like, if you have to say it that much, 155 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:13,559 then it's probably not true. Like, hey, hey, I'm a 156 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,000 good guy. Okay, I'm a good guy. I'm a nice guy. 157 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,600 Yeah. Yeah, that's what she's given me. She's given me nice guy 158 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:24,600 vibes. Because if you have to announce that you are not evil, I 159 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:30,679 don't know. If you're a colde leader, that kind of means that you 160 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,639 did some bad stuff, right, because you had to control people and manipulate 161 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,200 them into your cult, and you liked it. Not only were you evil, 162 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,879 but you liked it. Yeah. But in her own biography, in 163 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:46,519 her own words, she's not evil, Okay, She's never done anything evil. 164 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,559 At twenty one, she had a spiritual awakening. She claims that she 165 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,799 was contacted by aliens that warned her about the end of the world and that 166 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,440 if she spread word about this end of world date, she and her followers 167 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,840 would be saved from doomsday by the aliens. They would come up in a 168 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,000 ship and save them, which gave me Heaven's Gate vibes. Yeah. And 169 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,679 the aliens also told her that Jesus Christ is an alien. He's not the 170 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,960 son of God, He's an alien, okay, which kind of made me 171 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,120 think of raptor Jesus. Raptor Jesus. Yeah. Have you seen those images 172 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,960 people just like draw Jesus as a raptor? I have, Yeah, I'm 173 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,879 sure you have. She claims she has proof of this, but she hasn't 174 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:31,120 shown anyone this proof. This is on her book, okay. But also 175 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,840 she was very welcoming to all in her preaching in her church okay, like 176 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:41,679 that one guy. Yes, this actually gave me Jim Jones vibes. Yeah, 177 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:43,240 yeah, that's what I was saying. Enough. Yes, So she 178 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:50,360 was especially welcoming to the LGBTQIA peeps, the folks, the Kays and days. 179 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,720 She was very nice to them, and a time when no one else 180 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:56,840 was, because again, these are the eighties, not a good time for 181 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,600 people. I think we're like in full fledge say panic mode. I think 182 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:07,440 we're in like full fledged homophobia HIV crisis. Yeah, so people were not 183 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,799 welcoming. I mean like even today people are very very still be set in 184 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,279 their ways, but back then worse. So she was welcoming to everyone when 185 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:20,519 no one else was. She said that the aliens told her like, hey, 186 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,600 love has no rules. When you love someone, you love them it 187 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,759 doesn't matter who they are in that sense, aliens are right. Yeah, 188 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:33,000 so I can't believe I agree with her. Yeah one thing, because there's 189 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,399 a little bit much out there that I'm like, never mind, but this 190 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,360 one thing we can't agree on. Yeah. So she would tell like in 191 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:43,639 her preaching, like you know, parents, you need to love your children 192 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,919 even if they're this or that. Accept everyone except all and yeah, Valentina. 193 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,879 Then dada, you're right, You're right about that. So this is 194 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:54,080 how she grew her following. She would preach these things, even the weird 195 00:12:54,159 --> 00:13:00,440 parts, the aliens and stuff. Yeah, doomsday, oh, prices in 196 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:03,440 alien Yeah, she would preach all that. But also she was welcoming. 197 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:07,200 She also said she had clairvoyant powers, so she could tell the future, 198 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:11,480 and people believed their people went to her and her little town for readings and 199 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,480 stuff like that. And she also published the book on her beliefs. This 200 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:22,840 book was called God the Great Scam, and this grew her popularity even more 201 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,600 somehow, I don't know. In the book she laid down all these beliefs, 202 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,360 this stuff about aliens, this stuff about doomsday. But she also said, 203 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:35,240 and this is a quote from her book, watch out for children. 204 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:41,200 They are unconscious instruments of the great scam called God and his evil collaborators. 205 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,879 Don't like that, Yeah, yeah, I mean, like kids can be 206 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:50,200 a little mean, but I don't think they're evil collaborators. I don't think 207 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:58,080 they're the embodiment of evil. Yeah. That's a belief and fundamental Christian it 208 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,159 is, isn't it. Yeah, that children are like in evil, that's 209 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:03,840 why you need to train it out of them or whatever. Mm hmm. 210 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,320 E children are inherently good, honest, yes, yeah, so the opposite 211 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,799 here. But I think it's easy, especially in this timeframe, the years 212 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:18,240 we're in in a religious country or maybe people are questioning things where maybe there's 213 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:22,080 people looking for more. I think it's easy to take bits and pieces of 214 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,720 Christianity and then like make them worse than they already, so like, oh, 215 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,240 this is evil, as if it wasn't bad already. Yeah, yeah, 216 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:35,559 exactly, And that's what she did. Like we've said before, I 217 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,960 do think anyone could fall into being a cult. Oh yeah, fall into 218 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,159 a cult. I mean, like it doesn't take you to be I don't 219 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:46,679 know, dumb, or anybody could fall, especially someone in a vulnerable stage. 220 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,320 Yeah, if you're already not accepted somewhere and you find this one place 221 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,879 that doesn't accept you, and yeah, maybe they're a little weird at first, 222 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,799 maybe you're like, well that doesn't check out, but you started listening 223 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,159 to maybe one part and then maybe the rest it is like a little more 224 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:03,200 believable bit by bit. So yeah, she grew her following. This was 225 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,799 the beginning of the cult. Nineteen eighty one. But this is when things 226 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:13,759 kind of started getting a little darker darker. So again, she believed children 227 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,360 were evil. I'm scared. Yeah, she believed all children born after nineteen 228 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:24,679 eighty one were the reincarnation of evil. Any child born after nineteen eighty one 229 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,200 would not be saved by her spaceship aliens because they were evil. And so 230 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,039 if anyone was a member of her colt and they had a child after nineteen 231 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:35,000 eighty one, they had to give it away whatever, it didn't matter to 232 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,840 her, but they could not be in the cult because they had these children 233 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,960 born after nineteen eighty one. So this kind of sets like anyone after nineteen 234 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:50,559 eighty one no evil. She never told her followers when doomsday would happen exactly 235 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,320 when, of course, because she needed to keep changing the goalpost as manipulative 236 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,799 people do. Exactly again reminds me of Heaven's Gate. Yeah, but yeah, 237 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,879 she kept that date to herself. She made her believers believe she was 238 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,639 like the almighty Savior. She's the one who could connect with these aliens who 239 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:11,919 would then save her. Therefore, she's the savior on yeah, only her. 240 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,480 She started telling her followers to rid themselves of negative energy. This meant 241 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,480 they had to do away with their male sons because she considered them to be 242 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,080 the most evil beings on earth. What about adult men, They're fully out 243 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:32,200 here on the earth and you're always blaming the children. Yeah, that was 244 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:37,519 my thought too. So because she refused to share the date of the end 245 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,000 of the world her believers, they started feeling like they were the ones not 246 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,240 doing enough, and that's why that doomsday wasn't happening. That's why the group 247 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:49,279 hadn't been picked up yet by the spaceship because there was still too much negative 248 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:55,200 energy in the world and the group had to purge the world no more evil. 249 00:16:55,559 --> 00:17:00,279 And again little boys were the embottom embody. Oh my god, I 250 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,160 can't say that word. Embodiment, embodiment, embodiment, Yeah, of all 251 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:10,400 evil. So this is when boys started disappearing in Alta media Brazil. This 252 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:15,279 is like nineteen eighty nine timeframe is when boys started disappearing. But it's also 253 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,160 coincides with her telling her Could this coincidence? I don't know. I don't 254 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:25,000 think so. I think they're related. So boys in Alta media from ages 255 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:30,200 eight to thirteen started to disappear in between those years eighty nine to ninety three, 256 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:33,880 nineteen boys were reported missing. And of course I think every time we 257 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,759 think that there's or every time we think about the boys that are reported missing, 258 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,359 there's some that were not ever reported, especially because a lot of these 259 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:48,359 boys were from poor families or were just on housed, they didn't have families. 260 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,400 So then you have to think there has to be more victims. Yeah, 261 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:56,640 at least I tune. That's where my brain goes. These disappearances, 262 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,519 they were never solved, but they were connected to disappear universal Alignment cult, 263 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:07,720 if only like very loosely connected, because nothing was ever like confirmed, no 264 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:12,319 evidence was tied to them or anything like that. Yes, So in nineteen 265 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,720 ninety seven, when Valentina told her followers that the spaceship never came because their 266 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:21,200 followers weren't loyal enough, there was still too much negative energy, still too 267 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:25,200 much evil, and still too many evil children. Boys started going missing, 268 00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:30,440 Like that's strange. The boys fit the timeline of having been born after in 269 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,200 nineteen eighty one, which she also said all children born after in nineteen eighty 270 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,839 one are evil, Like it fits. It fits the bodies that were found 271 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,799 of these nineteen children, they all showed signs of sexual abuse. Oh my 272 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,960 god, and many were missing their genitals. Oh my god, it's terrible. 273 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,480 It's truly horrifying. The first victim was an eight year old boy named 274 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,559 Joseph. He disappeared August second, nineteen eighty nine. He was found alive, 275 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:02,079 but he was seriously injured and had been sexually abused. My god. 276 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,200 On November sixteenth, nineteen eighty nine, ten year old Otonnielle went missing. 277 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,559 He was working at the time. He was delivering mangoes to a man in 278 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:17,680 Altamira. During the delivery of domingoes, the man pulled Otorielle into an isolated 279 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,279 area, placed a cloth over his mouth nose, and the cloth had a 280 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,119 weird sent to it. Otonielle fainted. When he woke up, he was 281 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,599 in pain and there was blood everywhere. No turns out o tooniel had been 282 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,880 raped and castrated. Oh my god, this is horrible. It's horrible. 283 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,640 He was rushed to the hospital. He underwent surgery, but he never recovered 284 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,880 unfortunately. Oh my god. And then July nineteen ninety the twenty third of 285 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,680 July, nine year old Wilde de clay So He was at the edge of 286 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:55,039 town when a stranger approached him. The man asked Waldi Clay for his help 287 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,000 getting a kite off a tree. It was stuck in the tree, and 288 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:00,720 you know, the man said he needed his help. The before he knew 289 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:03,279 it, there was a cloth over his face while the Clay passed out. 290 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:08,799 He woke up later again like the other two boys, bloody and in pain. 291 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,480 He same thing had also been raped and castrated. He was the third 292 00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:19,079 boy in the same exact condition. So finally police started connecting the cases. 293 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,000 They were like, well, maybe there's a serial killer around and then like 294 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,880 more cases just kept happening. January twentieth, nineteen ninety one, thirteen year 295 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,640 old Tito Mendez went missing. He was never found. He was last seen 296 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,559 swimming at Titres Pontes Stream and an eyewitness saw him leaving with a man, 297 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,680 but he was never found. A little bit later, May fifth, the 298 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,680 fifth boy went missing. Ten year old Alton Fonseca disappeared. He was found 299 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:51,519 forty six days later dead. He was taken to a local morgue, but 300 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,200 his body disappeared before an autopsy could be completed. What if which is now? 301 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,480 It's like, now that's just suspicious. Now that just made me think 302 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:06,559 that there's someone that does autopsies involved or like a police officer or someone in 303 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,720 government that can make a body disappear from moreue because not anybody can just do 304 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:15,200 that. Yeah right, I don't know, it's weird. In August nineteen 305 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,799 ninety one, eleven year old J C. B when missing. He was 306 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:22,920 never found, and then again more more cases. January nineteen ninety two, 307 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:30,079 a thirteen year old Huri lay De Kunya. He went missing. He was 308 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:36,119 seen with an unknown man and he was found later castrated, naked, cuts 309 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,000 everywhere, burns everywhere. Oh my god, the cases didn't stop. I'm 310 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,400 not going to go into everythingle of them because they're all terrible. They're all 311 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:47,119 equally terrible. But yeah, Ed Naldo de Susa, Highness de Silva, 312 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:53,440 Klepson Ferira, Maudisio Farraz de Susa, trenand Santos Flabio Lopez da Silva and 313 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:59,200 then a fourteenth victim just initials RFS are the only ones known. They all 314 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,839 went missing. Some of them were found with the same signs of torture, 315 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,720 castration, bleeding everywhere, some were never found, and they were all seen 316 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,119 either with one man or two was like the last that was seen of them, 317 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:21,400 all missing genitals, very terrible, terrible things. And it's not known 318 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,799 which of the boys escaped and then ran to the police for help. I 319 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,240 don't know which one, but one of these fourteen boys was alive and escaped 320 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,960 and went to officers for help. He told the officers that several people locked 321 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,240 him up. He accused the boy accused, the son of a wealthy landowner, 322 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,279 a police officer, two doctors, and Valentina Andrade. Wow, that's 323 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,839 what he named. Yeah, And even then, most of these cases were 324 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,200 never fully investigated because either there was not enough evidence, there was no witnesses, 325 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,079 there was all the bodies were like they weren't alive. They couldn't say 326 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,960 what happened until this boy. And of these fourteen, only half of them 327 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,119 were actual open investigations. Through the boys testimony, they I don't know, 328 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,440 I guess followed it and found one man named Rotilio de Susa, who they 329 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,319 arrested for this. But then this man died in jail and the disappearances didn't 330 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:15,799 stop. So it sounds like they just needed someone to blame. Yeah, 331 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,799 and it was just this man. Like it became obvious it wasn't him. 332 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:23,519 Because the disappearances continued, police then came to a new conclusion. They were 333 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:27,720 like, okay, these are doctors that are performing these castrations, which that 334 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,440 is corroborated by what the boy said. He said there was two doctors, 335 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,480 that's what he told police. Two doctors. The police officer, the son 336 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,759 of a wealthy landowner, and then Valentina Andrade. So the police were like, 337 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,079 all right, well it's these two doctors. And they were like, 338 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,559 these doctors are luring the boys to cut out their organs and sell it on 339 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:51,119 the black market. That's what they concluded. They said the doctors were Anisio 340 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,200 Ferreira de Susa and Ceslo Brandau. These two men doctors had just moved to 341 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,319 Altamira in nineteen ninety. They were arrested, they were questioned, but then 342 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:06,559 they were cleared because an expert determined that the doctors had no way to transport 343 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,880 organs to sell. But it's like they could have still been the doctors. 344 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,759 And also maybe they weren't selling them, like yeah, exactly, doesn't I 345 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,279 mean it could have been maybe not that much evidence, but they would just 346 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:22,079 say that, I guess. So it's weird to be like, no, 347 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,240 it can't be them because they don't have anything to transport. Yeah, but 348 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:26,759 it's like, who's to say they were selling these organs. I mean, 349 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,880 yeah, it doesn't make sense, but that's what they said. And so 350 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,279 the two doctors were released. So because of the boys statements, the police 351 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:40,359 did raid Valentina's home because you know, he named her too. So then 352 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,119 at her home they found these strange roads that looked like they were used for 353 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:45,720 like a ritual, and they were like immediately like, oh, this is 354 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:49,519 satanic or black magic because the rope is weird. I don't know what the 355 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:53,519 rope looked like, but maybe it was. But they also found weird videos 356 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,559 that appeared to be satanic in nature, is what they said. So they 357 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:04,400 first stated in their report that in the video Valentina is clearly entering a trance 358 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,759 and she says kill little children in the video what the fuck? Yeah, 359 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,720 But then this was dismissed because the audio is like not discernible. It's not 360 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,000 clear she really could have said there's no little children experience is also what it 361 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,039 sounded like like they just can't tell what she was saying, So that was 362 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,519 dismissed. There was just not enough evidence to know what was happening, what 363 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,599 was going on. Eventually, prosecutors brought seven indictmonds in front of the court 364 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,720 on September sixth, nineteen ninety three, and these indictments were accepted. They 365 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,799 were like, all right, let's move on with this. So one eyewitness 366 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,400 claimed that she attended a COLT meeting at a doctor's house in nineteen ninety one. 367 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,559 Those two doctors that had been arrested and then let go one of their 368 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,440 house is where they saw. They said there was a ritual, and then 369 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,119 another person said that the what other doctors Desusa had been praying to Satan. 370 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,599 I don't know how well that can be trusted, because like anytime there's like 371 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,880 a high profile case like this and anyone's blaming Satan, I'm a little like, 372 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,519 I don't know about that. Yeah. Yeah. Plus they were talking 373 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,400 about God in the earlier seasons of the culture or whatever. So yeah, 374 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,799 but they said God was evil that's true, you're right, yeah, or 375 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,079 scam yeah, So I don't know. I don't know, but they didn't 376 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,799 believe. I mean, to me, it's not a Satanic colt because they're 377 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,920 like all about aliens. Yeah, So I don't know, I don't know 378 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,279 about that, but that's what they said. There was another man, Ama 379 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:32,119 Ilon Madeira Gomez. He was an openly gay man. He was the heir 380 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,880 to several gas stations and farms. He was indicted when these seven charges that 381 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,640 were brought. Police claimed he was the person who lured the boys and raped 382 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,279 them. I wanted to say they saw him wearing a blood stained sweater after 383 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,559 one of the disappearances. To me, though, again, anytime a gay 384 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:55,599 man is accused, yeah, it's a little questionable because there's that stigma that 385 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,519 supposedly gay men or pedophiles, when we know in reality, in fact, 386 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,079 most child molesters and abusers, sexual abusers, whatever are straight men. Yeah. 387 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,559 Yeah, So I don't know that I believe this personally. So then 388 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,880 another person that was charged, Carlos Alberto Santos Lima. He worked as a 389 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,519 military security guard at the same gas station that belonged to the Gomez family. 390 00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,319 So a Mariton Malera Gomez, he worked at that one of those gas stations. 391 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,279 Police questioned him and they said he confessed to being part of a criminal 392 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:34,880 cult. Aldnor Ferreira Carloso also worked as a security guard and he was set 393 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:41,440 to provide security for the cult. Jose A Medeos Gomez, he is a 394 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,319 Malton's dad. He was accused of being the mastermind behind all the killings, 395 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,359 and police suggested that he did everything for financial gain. How houseway, how 396 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,799 exactly what financial gain is there in killing? And I guess if you look 397 00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:02,319 at the angle of the black the black market of selling the organs. But 398 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,880 then they also said that they didn't have a way to transport the organs. 399 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,799 Exactly. Nothing adds up, Nothing adds up. Valentina and dad was also 400 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:14,240 charged in these seven indictments. She was charged as the cult leader and intellectual 401 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,880 leader of the killer cult, and Jose and Valentina were allowed to remain free 402 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,519 until the start of the trials. During the trial, autopsies and for exit 403 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:27,839 testing, it was not performed on any of the boys. Prosecutors thought that 404 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880 they would be able to reach a guilty verdict just through the use of it 405 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:36,160 wind its accounts, which is always like a little iffy, Yeah, because 406 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,920 when this account can be so unreliable. Plus, I think sometimes people just 407 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,400 lie. Sometimes they do they see what they want to see, Yeah, 408 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,400 especially when accusing a gay man. Yeah, because I refuse to believe that, 409 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,319 Like obviously there is like people, all people do wrong, but whenever 410 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,400 it involves killings like this, violating children like this, abuse like this, 411 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,920 it's highly sensationalized, and we know, how does satanic panic turn out? 412 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,839 Here? Like all of it turned out to be false, right, exactly 413 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,640 exactly, So of course it turned a lot of things are going to be 414 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,039 false in other places. Yeah, so I mean there was little evidence, 415 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,759 and then they still had to be like decide what to use in the trial 416 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:21,359 as evidence. Valentina Dandala's former husband, he owned a hotel in Altamira. 417 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,400 He testified, but he it didn't offer much. He testified that in nineteen 418 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,279 eighty six, Valentina seemed to have heavy influence on her friends and they would 419 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,880 cling on every word, meaning he was testifying that she was a cult leader. 420 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,960 Okay. A maid that worked for one of those two doctors claimed she 421 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:42,039 had seen the cult's rituals and she was supposed to testify, but then she 422 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:48,039 miss seriously died. Okay, that's a little questionable. That is a little 423 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,400 questionable. Yeah, that's not a good look. And then all of the 424 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,839 accused they were like, no, this isn't a cult. There's no rituals. 425 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,319 We never kidnapped anyone. None of the accused I ever turned on Valentina, 426 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,920 and none of them ever said she was a cult leader. The most 427 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,839 the accuser of was that she told them to hand over children to others so 428 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,119 they wouldn't take care of them. But that's weird too, because why would 429 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,599 you listen to so that that alone shows how much control she had. Yeah, 430 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,839 exactly. So by nineteen ninety four, it was obvious there was a 431 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,680 lack of evidence. The chief prosecutor wanted to dismiss the case, but the 432 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,799 assistant prosecutor insisted that they did not dropped the charges. So they brought eyewitness 433 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,559 ed Mielson de Silva Frassau. I just loved his name to the stand. 434 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,960 Ed Melson testified that he attended a Satanic colt meeting at one of the doctor's 435 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,799 house in nineteen eighty nine or nineteen ninety. He could remember which year. 436 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,519 Oh sorry, how much time did you say has passed five years or so? 437 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,000 Because this was nineteen ninety four, okay, and he said it was 438 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,240 eighty nine or ninety. I mean so much time. I mean I can 439 00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:02,480 remember what I had for lunch, like yesterday. So I have horrible memory. 440 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,279 I almost feel like when someone doesn't remember the exact day, it's more 441 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,160 true than when they remember an exact date. I don't know. That's just 442 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,599 me. Like if I were like, oh, yeah, on December third, 443 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,200 two thousand, three pm, me at three pm, Carmen slapped me 444 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,319 in the car and then she got in a car accident and she ran someone 445 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,039 over. Like yeah, it's too specific. It's just specific. So the 446 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,359 fact that he doesn't remember which year, I'm like, I don't know. 447 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,799 Maybe to me, yeah, because it's like some memories are so strong or 448 00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:41,240 somethings are so impactful that but everyone's memory is so different it's impossible. It's 449 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,079 yeah, it's true. That's why it's so unreliable. Yep, that's why 450 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,880 we need the forensics. Sorry, I've been watching Bones. I knew you're 451 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,640 gonna say that. So, yes, that was nineteen eighty or ninety that 452 00:31:55,799 --> 00:32:00,319 he said he saw Valentina there, but his statement was determined not trust because 453 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:05,000 Okay, when he first questioned police, he said he attended the meetia in 454 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:10,279 ninety one. Then at court he said that it was another year. So 455 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:15,400 it was really dismissed. But in June twenty and nineteen ninety four, the 456 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:22,759 judge pronounced all seven accused guilty even on this, even on this very evidence. 457 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,599 Yeah, on vibees, he said, he said, I don't know, 458 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,640 you seem guilty. Guilty. Yes. So the defense team then filed 459 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,720 an appeal and the prosecutor's office accepted it because they truly believed that there was 460 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,039 a lack of evidence. Locals protested the appeal. The chief prosecutor this scared 461 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:44,799 him. He ran away from Antamirah in nineteen ninety four. December nineteen ninety 462 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,759 four, then there was like a public outcry. Judges decided to keep suspects 463 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:52,200 in custody and continue the investigation. I mean, how much more can we 464 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:57,000 uncovered? It's been so so much time has passed now. Yeah, and 465 00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,839 you know what they did have, the little they had, the ceremony of 466 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,480 satanic publications that they found out Valentina's home. It wasn't enough evidence. So 467 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,640 two victims identified one of the security guards and that he had lured them in, 468 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:15,440 but prosecutors were determined to pend the murders on the entire cult, not 469 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,519 just that security guard, even though the security guard alone could be identified by 470 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,400 two of the victims to the survivors. So honestly, they really probably should 471 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,680 have like just went with him. Yeah, that's what I would think. 472 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:30,400 But they wanted to bring the whole cult down. So the last attempt at 473 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:37,079 convictions it was in the two thousands, Brislan prosecutors tried to prosecute Valentina and 474 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,720 four other cult members. But in two thousand and three they acquitted Valentina of 475 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,559 mutilation and killing of the boys, and it was the seventeen day trial. 476 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:51,799 Headlines read Valentina Andrele is acquitted of the charges. She was seventy two at 477 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,759 this point. Oh wow. She apparently fainted after hearing her judgment. The 478 00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:05,400 prosecution wanted to appeal the course decision. Defense lawyer at Naldo Busto Filo presented 479 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:09,119 court documents showing that Valentina was not in Altamira when a lot of the crimes 480 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,840 were committed. Well, she didn't have to be. She's a cult leader 481 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,079 exactly. Like, that doesn't mean shot. She's not doing dirty work. 482 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:22,559 That's not what you think it means. They also presented more evidence like that 483 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:27,559 the guns in the home were not like meant to they were not cult related. 484 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,679 The evidence was like that Valentina had given her husband a gun as a 485 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,800 gift, and like, there's a video of it, and in the video 486 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,119 you can hear her saying that it has bullets of gold to kill little vampires. 487 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,119 What the fuck? But you know what, why didn't she say little 488 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,880 vampires. That sounds like she's talking about code for children. I think that's 489 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,559 what she calls them. Yeah, because she could have just said it has 490 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,880 bullets to kill vampires. But no, that's not what she said, little 491 00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:00,440 vampires. It's strange, it's a strange coincidence. She was talking about Ella's 492 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:05,360 baby, Bella's baby, Runez me. It's just so disturbing how Jacob imprinted 493 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,440 on the baby. Yeah, I was team Jacob until that moment. No, 494 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,320 I didn't even get that far in the books. In the movie, 495 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,320 I find out to Talk a year ago. I found out longer ago, 496 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,920 but I mean from the movie I didn't. Yeah, I mean I never 497 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,239 read the books, but when I watched the first movie, I was team 498 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,360 Jacob. Me too, Me too. So four other defendants had already been 499 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,679 sentenced in the case. They were sentenced either thirty five to seventy seven years 500 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,159 is what they received. Including the two doctors and what other security guards I 501 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:38,280 want to say, or both of them? Oh, probably both of the 502 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,639 security guards. And that's because a Tourniel and Juan de Clay testified that those 503 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:50,119 were the doctors they had seen. In Ottournell's testimony. The judge called the 504 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:53,920 defendants and Atonia did recognize the security guard and okay, so yeah it was 505 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,519 him. And in his testimony he said, I am sure convinced one hundred 506 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,079 percent that is Carlos aal Berto. So he is the one who placed one 507 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:06,639 of the security guards there. Okay. The defense tried to disqualify the testimonies, 508 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:12,280 claiming that the two victims had identified other people as aggressors the other people 509 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,639 had been guilty. Then they stated that the reason they were pointing out Carlos 510 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,960 Liberto right now is because at the time the kids were afraid of pointing out 511 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,679 the real culprit. They were scared of being killed. But Oil said in 512 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,679 the past, I was a scared child. Today I'm a man. I 513 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,119 own my actions. I'm no longer afraid. So he was sure of his 514 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,599 testimony. So it was compelling enough for people to like be moved by that 515 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:42,199 to actually sentence or whatever. I also wasn't a jury. I don't know. 516 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,159 I'm assuming, but I don't know how. It might just be a 517 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,079 judge. It could be. Yeah, So the four, the two doctors 518 00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:55,079 and the security guards were trying to appeal their sentences. It's still not sure 519 00:36:55,199 --> 00:37:00,199 who did like most of the killing, because there was they were trying and 520 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:06,880 found guilty for the two boys that survived al and the other boy okay, 521 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,360 and then there was all those other boys. Yeah. Yeah, So like 522 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:14,719 the Colts is still around today, really, yeah, you can still go 523 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,320 to their website and on their website they're like, we never committed any kidnapping 524 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,480 your murders, like, which, of course you would say that you're not 525 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:25,480 gonna admit it, but they say there it wasn't them because she in Valentina 526 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:32,000 and her sermons or believes whatever. She outright said children are evil and all 527 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:35,039 this stuff, right, So how do you explain that? Then, Like 528 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:38,679 there's still a tie there and it's like still horrible to be spouting all that 529 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,239 shit anyway, So like even if you didn't do these things, maybe the 530 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,840 words you said manipulated people into and like what do you have to say about 531 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,440 that? You know, exactly. Yeah, and do they still believe that 532 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000 or do you know, like, uh, you know, I don't know 533 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:58,079 if they've updated their like little doctrine. I don't know, m so. 534 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,559 And there's other theories about who was behind all these killings. In two thousand 535 00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:06,639 and four, police uncovered that there was a serial killer going around in the 536 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:10,159 same time in Brazil, Francisco, that's Chagas Rodriguez de Brito. There was 537 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:15,119 a young boy who was murdered, Jonathan Santos. Police found his body and 538 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:20,880 they were able to connect Francisco to it. He was a bike mechanic and 539 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,960 Jonathan Jonathan Santos said he was going to go see Francisco the bike mechanic before 540 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,639 he disappeared, so he was on his way to see him, and then 541 00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:34,599 he was never seen again. And then further investigations led police to connect Francisco 542 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,000 to forty two other boys who were found raped. Oh wow, oh my 543 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:45,320 god, that's a lot. Yuck, forty two. It is a lot. 544 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,760 And all of these boys were also found raped with their genitals missing. 545 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,960 And it wasn't all over Brazil, including the state of Para, which is 546 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,280 where Alta Mina is where the murders, all these murders took place. I 547 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,400 mean, that's the same, like mem I guess, yes, yes, 548 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:09,920 And because Santos's murder was very similar to the murders in Altamira, officials believe 549 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:15,840 now that it was Fancisco La'schagas who was doing this, who killed all these 550 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:22,199 boys, But that does not explain the boys that survived and placed the two 551 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:29,079 doctors and the security guards at who identify them. Yeah, like, it 552 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,400 doesn't explain that. So I maybe it was both of them. Maybe it 553 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,360 could be the group was only in charge, or the group only committed some 554 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,559 of them and the serial killer did the rest. I don't know. They're 555 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:45,079 not solved to this day, there's no confirmation. Just terrible. Yeah, 556 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,239 that's horrible. But I mean if forty two murders were connected to this serial 557 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,719 killer, what's another nineteen to him. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, 558 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,280 there's just I think in the end of all of this, after you hear 559 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,199 it, there's more questions and answers. Definitely, Yeah, because only for 560 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,239 four members of the cult were charged, and in the end, where does 561 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,360 that leave the other three that were charged, including Valentina, Because it also 562 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,079 fits it also fits like you said she she said all boys were evil born 563 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,280 after nineteen eighty one. So she's still I mean horrible. She can't excuse 564 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,360 herself of anything, like she's out here saying some hateful shit, spewing hatred 565 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,639 towards the most vulnerable population out there, children, mm hmm. Yeah, 566 00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,239 so we still don't like her. Yeah. Yeah, and unlike her biography 567 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:37,360 says she is actually evil. I was gonna say that contrary to her own 568 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:45,039 belief. Yes, she is indeed evil. Yes we have determined. But 569 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,480 yeah, that was the Superior Alignment cult. Did I say that right? 570 00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,840 I think there's like some words missing, my bad Superior Universal Alignment cult. 571 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,440 There was a word missing? Yeah, yeah, very depressing. I'm sorry. 572 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,039 I don't know what is going on here, you know what I know 573 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,559 it's because I really like Colts and Don is also a fan of Colts, 574 00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:06,199 and she's like, hey, what do you think of this cult? You 575 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,960 want to got rid? And I'm like, yeah, more Colts. So 576 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,119 we do have actually more cults coming up here. Well, Colts are very 577 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,760 spooky, So Colts are yeah, and like, I mean, yeah it 578 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,960 ghos in the parana almost scary. But I often find that true crime cases 579 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,119 are far more disturbing and scary. Yeah, yeah, because they actually happened. 580 00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,760 Yeah, I mean, you know, ghosts in the spiritual whatever not. 581 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,199 Everyone has the same belief. But when it comes to lunch crime like 582 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,679 that, legitimately like happened, you know. So Yeah, as our father 583 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,280 says, be scared of or fear the living more than the dead or something 584 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:52,920 something like that. Yeah, and he's right. But yeah, that brings 585 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,880 us to the end of the episode. Thanks for being here, Carmen. 586 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:59,320 Twas my pleasure. Yeah. Do you have anything to plug before we go? 587 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:00,960 Do you know? I do? Oh wait, what am I doing? 588 00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:05,320 Do you have any speaky recommendations? Oh? So, I mean I 589 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,199 haven't finished it, but I started watching a documentary series. Damn, what 590 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,039 is it called. It's on Hulu. It's a Oh I was telling you 591 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,760 about it. It's about I don't remember this. It was like the other 592 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,960 day I was telling you about it. It's about the Lebron cult Mormon. 593 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,679 Oh, we're gonna cover this cult. Oh okay, okay, yeah, 594 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,760 so take notes. I learned about this cult when I was watching Under the 595 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,679 Banner of Heaven. Well, they don't talk about it in the show, 596 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,360 but the show is based on the book, which I think I recommended when 597 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,320 when I first read it, and I whenever that was, it was a 598 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,000 while ago. Yeah, so yeah, I recommend the show and the book, 599 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:52,480 and the book goes way more into detail about the history of Mormon and 600 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:59,679 fundamental Mormon colds and the Lebron family is one that they talk about. And 601 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:01,920 yeah, these are like and like as I think I don't know most of 602 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,079 us, especially if you're you follow cults and fundamental Mormons and whatever. We 603 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:13,599 know that uh Mormons, mainstream Mormons, like separated from like fundamental Mormons. 604 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,119 When sorry, my dog's pushing me. This is behind me. There is 605 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,159 my loan and he's turning around. I saw him and he just doesn't care 606 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:27,679 about my personal space. But anyway, they split when the United States outlawed 607 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,519 polygamy and so a lot of them fled to Mexico after that, and that's 608 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,880 where the Lebron cults is based. In Mexico. I want to say it 609 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,360 was near Chihuawa and the town that they're in, the remote town that they 610 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,719 were in, I don't know if they're so round because this whatever. Anyway, 611 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,159 it's called Colonial Lebroon. Oh my god, what is up with Could 612 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:52,920 that just made me think of colonial dignita and other cults in Latin America brought 613 00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:00,159 on by white people, all the horrible things in Latin interesting connection and if 614 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,639 you want to learn more about Well this brings us to our next thing. 615 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,119 Carmen, do you have anything to plug? Wait? Do you have any 616 00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,360 speaky recommendations? Or you're still watching Bones? Right? No, I don't. 617 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,519 I'm on season ten, episode fifteen of Bones. Now how many seasons? 618 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,360 That is my update? I think there's twelve or thirteen. I'm closing 619 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,239 in on the end. Okay. I do want to say that I thought 620 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,639 Sweets died soon in season five and it's season season ten. Oh no, 621 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,280 yeah, I remember it was so much longer. Well, yeah, I 622 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,320 was like, I stopped watching after they did whatever they did to Sweets. 623 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440 But no, I stopped watching in season five. I never watched past season 624 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,159 five. Oh huh, yeah, when all the pullan like that? Polong 625 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,800 Oh, I think I'm I'm sure I watched past that because I do remember 626 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,679 when he well, yeah, I think you're the one who told me about 627 00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,239 Sweets. Oh you know what, we were watching it when you left for 628 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,280 the military thing. That's why you didn't keep watching it. Yeah, and 629 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,559 every time I rewatched it, I just watched them to season five. So 630 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,199 now I'm committed. What is it? I have to finish it and cluh 631 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,400 Hulu? Okay, Hulu, Yeah I might. I now I have to 632 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,599 finish it. You should. There's a lot of episodes. Yeah, too 633 00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:07,719 much, and it's why I haven't been watching anything scary. I don't like 634 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:13,280 it, but I also like it. It doesn't make sense. So yeah, 635 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:15,639 Oh, I didn't do it last episode. But I will be sending 636 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,599 out our book club questions because we were. We should do that. Oh, 637 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,719 I was about to ask about that. I love her books because she 638 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:29,519 sends out a question like a book club kit available online. Yeah, and 639 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,440 so that's where I'm going to pull the questions from. Cool. Yeah, 640 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,079 she even does like a little cocktail you can serve if you're doing Oh, 641 00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,639 I have seen that. Should we should we do it? Should we each 642 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,599 make our own little cocktails and discuss it? Okay, I'll also send that 643 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,320 out too. Then I really hope that us Wait, she didn't finish it. 644 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,800 Did she know? You're right? She said for us to record it 645 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,480 without her because she's too busy, So maybe it's been so long that maybe 646 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:58,920 I'll ask her again fingers crossed, she's too busy. Yeah, I hope, 647 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,559 I hope. Oh yeah, anything to plug. Yeah. So if 648 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:09,280 you're into Latin American sorry, Latin American history, learning about talking about I 649 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,599 don't know, colonialism, stories of power, stories of resistance, talking about 650 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:20,400 the United States and the horrible things they've done in Latin America, then check 651 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:27,039 out Unknown. And then we also have Novo, where we're rewatching. I'm 652 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:31,000 gonna say nobody else because it's it's just that watching, recapping each episode, 653 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,880 talking ship as we go, and we introduce a new segment chronically online, 654 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,239 Concrevisito, where we talk about Internet tievement, and that's gonna be its own 655 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,880 podcast once we finish, and we're nearing the end. We are nearing the 656 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,280 end, and it's a lot of fun. 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