1 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:20,719 What is up, fellow thermonuclear a evers. I am Dampa Valley coming at 2 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,120 you with my fans, abuistic co host Grant Hughes. This is not an 3 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,559 emergency pod, but the timing is kind of perfect because we had scheduled to 4 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:32,920 record at this moment and Steve Nash was fired by the nets and Grant, 5 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,079 because he is dedicated, if you were watching on YouTube, is wearing his 6 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,039 number eleven Santa Clara jersey that he apparently had to go and dig out just 7 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,679 minutes before we hopped on the air here. And so I have a bunch 8 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:45,759 of questions to ask you, and we have NBA hot or not to get 9 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:49,159 to. And I would like to remind anyone watching or listening just fucking subscribe 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,679 already. Please. We love you all. Hit that sub button. Download 11 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,840 everything like comment on videos on YouTube. Help the community grow. But we 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,280 need to dig into everything that's happening. But we have to ask the most 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,719 important question first, Grant, how the hell are you doing the jersey fitting? 14 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:04,799 Okay, jersey fits great? Uh? And how dare you even though 15 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,120 I told you I just dug this out. I think it's better for the 16 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,079 legend if I just say that I sleep in it every night. I won't, 17 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:15,400 but I'm doing well because I'm happy that Steve Nash is free from the 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:21,519 ship show, to which he was confined for quite some time. Mutual parting 19 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:25,359 of the ways, I think is the messaging right now. A couple of 20 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:27,920 people on Twitter. I think Steve Jones was one where really this was kind 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:34,519 of more of a look man conversation. We don't know what it is, 22 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,879 right, Let's let's move on from this. I didn't. That feels like 23 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,719 to me it was a voluntary resignation with the threat of being fired. It 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,760 seems like the most realistic. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad he's out 25 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,840 of there. It sucks that he had to go through that as his first 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,280 NBA job. But you know, I was looking before we started for a 27 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,159 for a tweet that I'm sure someone will maybe find this if anyone cares enough. 28 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,680 I'm pretty sure. My first thought was like, this will end badly 29 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,400 when when he got hired, because it just seemed like a whole situation and 30 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:13,479 here it is. It was unwinnable. So rest in peace. Steve Nash's 31 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,680 first stint as an NBA coach and maybe last. I don't know, I 32 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:20,000 will go. I don't necessarily feel bad that it ended this way for him, 33 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,719 just because like he I don't want to say, skipped the line, 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,599 but like skipped a bunch of steps because he was in with KD and like 35 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,000 he was a brilliant basketball mind. So maybe he deserved that crack over everybody. 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,960 But he got the opportunity and he agreed to it. No one was 37 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:36,199 forcing him to do it, and he was put in a better position than 38 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:38,520 a lot of other people who had to. He was in the NBA, 39 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:39,800 he's a Hall of Fame, Like, I get it, But he skipped 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,840 steps there. So I don't necessarily feel bad, but I am happy that 41 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,319 he was able to escape the ship show just because we knew this is where. 42 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,439 This is one of the many directions in which this is like this is 43 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:54,199 a pit stop on the way to the Nets, just completely imploding because this 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,479 is not gonna end, okay. Kevin rant want At requested to trade over 45 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:00,439 the offseason. Kyra even tried to find assigned and trade over the off season 46 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:04,319 and couldn't. The Nets didn't give him a new contract and he came back 47 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,960 anyway, And we were supposed to believe like, oh, none of these 48 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,840 things were resolved, but everything's okay, and Kevin Durant wanted marks and Nash 49 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,800 fired apparently, but no, we're good now. No, it doesn't it 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,080 doesn't work like that. And just the fact that the nets also suck doesn't 51 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,000 really help matters. And I don't know how much of that is on Steve 52 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,520 Nash, like he did go to Ben Simmons without a big more before Ben 53 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,719 Simmons started missing. He's gonna miss the next he missed one game, He's 54 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:30,039 gonna miss the next game. I think with bright kneehornis or whatever it is. 55 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:34,159 So if you want to put it on Nash, like he hasn't even 56 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:36,680 had Seth Curry available yet, I don't want to make excuses. I think 57 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:39,479 the team is just not really necessarily built to defend. And you are, 58 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,599 you know, you're dealing with the issues of Okay, Ben Simmons hasn't played 59 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:46,879 in a year and a half, coming off this major back injury and a 60 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:51,560 mental health struggle that it was real and it was very poorly covered, and 61 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,919 I have no idea how that's impact him. I'm rooting for him as a 62 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:57,560 person on the court, though he's been an issue with his lack of aggression. 63 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:00,400 His drives per thirty six minutes are basically had from what they were for 64 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:04,080 his career. His field goal attempts for thirty six minutes are basically halved from 65 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,879 what they were before this season. The lack of aggression from him is a 66 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,439 killer, and then when you stash him off the ball. I think they 67 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,400 could have been more creative with him, tried him out more as a greener, 68 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,680 especially in lineups where one he was without a big and then two like 69 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:20,680 I don't know how many KD Ben Simmons pick and rolls were run, but 70 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,360 it wasn't enough, is what I would wager. So there were things that 71 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:26,959 could have been done. If you want to ascribe that to Nash. This 72 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,519 team was doomed from the beginning because there's too much extracurricular things happening here. 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,800 Kyrie Irving sucks. Like as a basketball player, he's still go, but 74 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,360 he just sucks, and like any team that has him, their culture is 75 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,160 just gonna submarine. Kevin Durant, he's responsible for this mess as well. 76 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:45,360 We've talked about that and he's sort of when it comes to addressing it. 77 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:47,920 He sucks too. This team. This team is fucked. I don't know 78 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:51,199 they're talking about what was mentioned Jacques Faughn's taking over in the intern, but 79 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:57,240 expect them to target email Udoka, who's currently on suspension from the Celtics for 80 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:01,759 the year because he had an inappropriate we're placed relationship with a subordinate who also 81 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,160 alleged that he harassed her at one point. So that's great, that's exactly 82 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,480 what this team needs. And he also mentioned Quinn Snyder, who I can't 83 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,399 imagine. I know he's not working right now. I would argue that's by 84 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:15,920 choice. He's probably gonna stay the fuck away from this ENTIREFI with him, 85 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,399 the entire situation. So Rhodes did mention those names, and it seems to 86 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:23,439 be like, oh, the Nets are gonna try and make a splash there. 87 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:28,399 If if I'm a head coaching candidate with options, I'm staying the fuck 88 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:33,839 away from the Brooklyn Nets. Like I'm sure as we get some distance from 89 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,639 it. And when this does eventually really just blow up, you know, 90 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:42,360 maybe that takes till the offseason when Kyrie's gone, or maybe it'll happen sooner. 91 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:46,160 But it just all the things you said. It feels like from the 92 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,600 start, this was a situation where like, yeah, we can go over 93 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:54,079 what maybe Nash could have done differently, but this just wasn't a team. 94 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,480 This wasn't a team set up to be coached like by anybody, let alone 95 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:00,839 have a coach. They don't, Yeah, they have a what did Kyrie 96 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,120 say of collective collaboration whatever, it's like a collective it's like a coop essentially. 97 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,680 It's like what he was trying to get across, Like it just I 98 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:14,480 don't think there was any scenario where with the power dynamics being what they were 99 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,959 starting back with, Like the reason Kenny Atkinson doesn't have a job is because 100 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,639 the star players on the team didn't want him there, right, So if 101 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:24,839 you're starting from that point, that's that's like the structure of your operation. 102 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:28,879 Like the guy that comes in with no head coaching experience, great a player 103 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,439 as he was, even if he's theoretically like the preferred choice or like an 104 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:36,079 okay, you know, got the sign off from those star players, like 105 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:42,639 he just never had any agency. It doesn't seem like so like Kyrie's not 106 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,600 really like a coachable player or like teachable person quite obviously. I think you're 107 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:53,040 ant like it's a real like, it's a real stain on him that like 108 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,079 he you know, him and Kyrie were package deal. We were just be 109 00:06:57,199 --> 00:06:59,560 laboring all this stuff. But I don't think Nash ever had a chance to 110 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,000 succeed. It doesn't seem like like they're just the circumstances were never going to 111 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,199 be conducive to success for him. I don't know that you could have put 112 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:10,199 any other head coach in this situation and the outcome would have been any different. 113 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:14,279 And that's you know, we're talking about Steve Nash. I've argue was 114 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:16,600 at least a choice of Kevin Durant, like that was something that had to 115 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:21,199 be okayed, if not outright endorsed or pushed for by him specifically, And 116 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:26,480 the fact that it's still ended up here is indicative of well, this was 117 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:30,360 never gonna work out for anyone. And just to be clear about Kevin Durant, 118 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,439 I don't want to put him on the same level of you know, 119 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:38,120 Kyrie Irving and his immrat like his failure to have any sort of moral compass 120 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,920 whatsoever. But like I mentioned this in the previous pod, when he's asked 121 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,000 about this stuff, if you want to know comment that it's fine, like 122 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,360 you're shouldn't be responsible for what this other idiot is saying, but like, 123 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,120 oh, they didn't impact us at all, Like it doesn't it would only 124 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,399 matter to you guys like that. That kind of sucks and he can do 125 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:55,879 a much better job with that. I'm not saying he hasn't gotten somewhat of 126 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,480 an unfair rap from the media at points. But it's also just like I 127 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:03,000 don't I don't want to be labor that point, Like I won't even go 128 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,800 into the other point I was gonna make, But it does seem like there 129 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:11,360 is no coach where this could have even worked out for in any sort of 130 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:13,600 way. And I'm curious to you now is like I ask you, this 131 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,519 is there, like what is the what is the pathway for the next Now? 132 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,279 Do you expect them to blow this up this season? Do you expect 133 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,040 them to sort of ride it out? Is there any hope with the current 134 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,040 roster? Is that even the best you know at this point what is blowing 135 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,480 up is blowing it up even the best course of action where it's like, 136 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:33,200 well, we still have these top two really good guys on the court, 137 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:35,440 and Ben Simmons I've seen flashes from him on defense this year, like if 138 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,519 he comes back and he's healthy, there's still a pathway to them not sucking 139 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,399 clearly, what is just your like what is your either I guess guestimate of 140 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,759 what comes next, but also too, what would you do in this situation 141 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,480 if you're you know, we don't even know how much agency shown marks as 142 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:52,919 at this point, right, No, I think those are great questions. 143 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:58,360 I think the fact that Nash was the first to go right, and that 144 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,480 Durant and Irving both how made it through still on the roster after the trade 145 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,240 demand and the trade attempts and all that stuff, suggests to me that the 146 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:11,919 feeling is, well, this is this will be the fix, right from 147 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,720 ownership or whoever's making decisions, like this is what we're going to try, 148 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,039 and then everything else will remain intact. It seems like that's what the messaging 149 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,000 seems like to me, because if if the move is not too maybe it's 150 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,840 still gonna Maybe it's on the way, like send Kyrie home, suspend him, 151 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,320 like do something, you have to go away for a while, Like 152 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,679 that wasn't the move. You can't trade Durant, I don't think, because 153 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,840 not enough has changed from the summer when there just wasn't a satisfactory return package 154 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,000 out there. I don't think circumstances are different enough to where we're suddenly going 155 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:46,200 to fire back up, you know, the trade machine for Durant. So 156 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,679 I think the hope probably is that, well, this is the move we 157 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,919 had to make. This was the easiest move we had we could make. 158 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,480 Whether it's going to be the most effective or not, I have my doubts, 159 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:00,399 but so we're just gonna try it. We're gonna see if if Steve 160 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,039 was the problem, which seems highly unlikely to me, maybe they'll get a 161 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:05,120 little bump after, you know, you get a new voice in there, 162 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,799 even though Jacquevon is not exactly a new voice, right, But I think 163 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,639 there's a chance that it'll look a little better in the short term. I'd 164 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,960 be surprised if as anything more than that. And then yeah, I think 165 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,279 I think there's probably a like a several more shoes to drop before this whole 166 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,480 story's over, this whole saga's over. But I think for now it's gonna 167 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,559 be we change the coach. This is what you know, KD Kyrie, 168 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,200 this is what you wanted. So now show us that that was the problem, 169 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,799 and I don't think any other big moves are probably coming like in short 170 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:41,440 order. But because I'm not confident that that's gonna change anything in a meaningful 171 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,240 way, then eventually maybe we get back to like Trey talks and you know, 172 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,559 figuring out other stuff. But yeah, I don't I don't think this 173 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,360 is step one in a process they've got mapped out, like to really tear 174 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,240 it all down. Not not yet. That's a good point about since the 175 00:10:56,279 --> 00:10:58,240 head coach was the first to go, it leads you to believe that they 176 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,159 are going to still try and make the dynamic work. I like, I 177 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,080 don't know what the reading like it came after a win. I know it 178 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:09,080 was just the pacers, and they had already lost the pacers, but it 179 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,840 came after a win. It's just weird. Yeah, yeah, usually usually 180 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:16,120 you get it. Well, you know, you could have done it after 181 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,799 any of the number of disappointing losses they've already had. Maybe that's just an 182 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,799 optics thing, so it doesn't look quite so reactionary. But I mean we're 183 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,919 not stupid. Obviously, it was reactionary to a lot of things. So 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,600 yeah, if you're asking you asked me what I would do. I mean, 185 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:33,919 I'd rewind the clock and just not start this whole mess with Kyrie and 186 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,879 Katie to begin with. But I would have gotten rid of Kyrie a long 187 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,399 time ago also, But going forward, like I think I send Kyrie home 188 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,879 and and if that alienates Durant, like he's already asked for a trade anyway, 189 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,559 Like I don't know that he could be any less, you know, 190 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,279 please with the situation regardless. So I mean, I just think as an 191 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,679 organization, you sort of have to I don't know, like you you like 192 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,679 you said, like you know, now is not the time to grow a 193 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,919 backbone. You said over the summer a few times, it's like I think 194 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:05,639 now it would be a good time to grow a backbone. Like, let's 195 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,799 as as a NETS organization, I think you have to start trying to operate 196 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:16,879 like a functional you know, functional or organization because that's just not happening so 197 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:18,399 far, right and too you know, we place a lot of them blame 198 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,519 rightfully, torn Kevin Durant probably end it up. But like over the past 199 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,399 few years, I've seen more spine and jellyfish than the NETS front office. 200 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,720 And that's something that needs to be be remedied here because I would I agree 201 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:33,240 with everything you said. I would just I would cut my losses here. 202 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,120 I just don't even know what to make of the and I don't already mentioned 203 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,639 this, but like, why do you think I don't care about how good 204 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:43,720 of a head coach Emai Udoka is? Why is that guy already on your 205 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,919 list where you have all this other extracurricular bullshit going on, knowing what he 206 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,039 was just suspending for, Like the Celtics are willing to let him leave like 207 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,639 this was a very much like we've only suspended you for a year because we 208 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,000 want to fire you. But doesn't seem like they're sure that they can. 209 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,399 I mean, I think it's the symptom of an organization that is willing to 210 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:07,919 continue to employ Kyrie Irving like that obviously, like the optics are are you're 211 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:11,600 not concerned with or you're not you're not like attuned to right, because that's 212 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:13,879 just like such a bad look and it's such just like why of all names 213 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,200 is his name on there? I just I don't know, it seems like 214 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,279 it's it speaks to the sort of disconnect between uh, you know what a 215 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,600 rational like sturdy organization would do, and what the Nets do. Emayodoka is 216 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,519 officially the front runner to the land the Brooklyn Nets job right now. Just 217 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:37,159 absolutely that's coming from Sham's over at the Athletic Just despicable decision making here by 218 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,799 the franchise. Just like you, I you want to talk about redemption. 219 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,200 I understand that this is not this is not the moment. We are not 220 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:50,200 far enough away from the Emayodoka stuff to maybe even say like, oh, 221 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,320 has he redeemed himself already? And and two what the oh my god? 222 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:58,960 Like this is that you said this, and I'm inclined to I can't tweet 223 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:03,159 because you said it. You should tweet it. This is the end result, 224 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Like this is a this is franchise line of thinking that has empowered Kevin 225 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,320 Durant and Kyrier in to this point. I don't care that Emaodoka was already 226 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,159 part of the Nets coaching staff at one point, Like that's not you know, 227 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:18,000 no, like this is just this organization is so and look to be 228 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,120 fair at this point, Like now, it's I think that the front office, 229 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Shawn Marks and even Joe Si for overseeing all this deserved a ton of 230 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,720 blame to begin with, Like, now they got to start sharing a lie 231 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,480 in share of the culpability because you're just empowering what's already fucking not working and 232 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:37,080 proved to be just destructive and ineffective, Like what are we if you know? 233 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,480 What are we doing here? If you go and you blow this up 234 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,879 anyway? Okay, fine, that's independent, but you're not the team. 235 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,879 You are not the insofar as any team can or should hire Emayudoka right now, 236 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,200 when we're barely months removed from that press conference that they had in Boston 237 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,960 and those allegations. It's not the nets, it's and I'm not I'm not 238 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,840 trying to make content here. I hate talking about this is content. It's 239 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:07,320 just legitimately blood boiling. And I understand that I'm not. I'm not. 240 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:09,159 I don't want to be an arbit of morality. I don't want to accidentally 241 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,960 virtue signal here. I'm honestly just venting, is where at this point? 242 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,480 So this probably says more about me than like the actual topic we're discussing. 243 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:20,559 But like my first reaction when you said that was like, there has to 244 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,320 be a lot of stuff that I just don't know about about all this right, 245 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,879 because if what I think I know is true, which is just all 246 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:33,159 that's been reported, you know about Udoka, about what the Celtics did to 247 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:39,600 address the situation, Like, then how is this happening? Like it makes 248 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,720 me so I understand, like you get upset about it. I'm just more 249 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:48,039 like confused because it makes me think that there has to be some element that 250 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,000 I just am not privy to that like, because I want the world to 251 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:56,279 make sense, Like I need more something that can't be this fucking awful it's 252 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,279 basically right, Like, well, I just want to rational. I want 253 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:02,519 to like I wanted to make sense in my brain, which I like to 254 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:07,559 think is operates rationally, because it doesn't. Nothing is squaring up right now, 255 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,639 it doesn't. I don't. I don't get it. I want to 256 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:12,559 know more. I want I want this explained to me because it doesn't for 257 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:18,679 all the reasons you said, it just doesn't seem like possible that this is 258 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,879 the decision that they're making right now, with the circumstances being what they've all 259 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,360 been reported to be, Like I don't, I fundamentally don't understand, Like 260 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:30,759 I want someone to make it make sense for me. Yeah, I'm with 261 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:34,120 you. So we have another Nets update. They are basically hiring Emay Rudoka. 262 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,879 They're not expected to have to give the Celtics any compensation. Sean Mark 263 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,360 said, this is pert Christian Woodfield of the New York Daily News there's been 264 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,840 too much focus on distractions off the court and that the Nets want to get 265 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,519 back to the culture that got them here. And then they went and they 266 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,360 hired Emay Rudoca, who's again been suspended by the Boston Celtic for a year 267 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,399 and it's being let go without compensation after bringing the Celtics in the NBA Finals 268 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:03,519 and being considered an integral part of how good that team became. Again he 269 00:17:03,599 --> 00:17:07,640 suspended one year. We've said it at the podcast a bunch of times for 270 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,599 an inappropriate workplace relationship with a female staffer who was his subordinate and said that 271 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,680 he harassed her at one point. Grant like, I just I don't know 272 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,880 what else to put a ball on this topic, but this is just like 273 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,039 the worst kind of surreal where like, could this franchise actually be that like 274 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:27,079 that tone death? Like are they just not interested in winning any press conference 275 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,200 whatsoever? I've seen it framed as Oh, it's very clear that Kevin Durrett 276 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,759 came in here and said this is what he wanted. If that happened. 277 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,079 You mentioned this already. This team needs to grow fucking spine at this point. 278 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,839 This is this is a disaster. This is just a disaster. I 279 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:45,480 it doesn't Again, it doesn't make sense to me, like I just assume. 280 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,400 So here's here's the what's like of the fifty seven thousand things that are 281 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,359 confusing to me about this, Like do we have a resolution in the whole 282 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,119 Celtic side of this, right? Like do we know what the fallout, 283 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,200 what the punishments are, what the legal civil ramifications are, do we know 284 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,200 that we don't know the details? We don't know. I have to believe 285 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,720 the Nets have that information, right, Which is like the most charitable like 286 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:17,680 slant you could put on this from Brooklyn's perspective is that, wow, Jesus 287 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:19,839 wasn't as bad as anyone thought. And but then here the Celtics are with 288 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,960 like no interest in bringing the guy back. So I don't understand how one 289 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,720 can be, how one team and how two teams can be so far apart, 290 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:32,519 Unlike, how big a deal this is, right, how big of 291 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:38,279 a deal. Theodoka situation is it's just yeah, I don't have any way 292 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:47,880 to frame this in a favorable light for the nets. They're like, I 293 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:56,880 just don't understand how the conclusion from a franchise that just cannot, you know, 294 00:18:56,279 --> 00:19:03,400 avoid controversy and distraction is that we should hire this guy, Like, 295 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,720 I don't you know, it's it's the best thing you here to hear. 296 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:08,440 It is dam The best thing you can say is this is a this is 297 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:14,680 a huge buy low flex This is this is buying at the absolute lowest point 298 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,400 on a coach that might be good and might not be a good dude. 299 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:21,319 That's that's where we are. That's as good of a spin as I can 300 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,920 put on it. I just I the Celtic clearly don't think that he's going 301 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,880 to be cleared of any wrongdoing of just like when the when when everything comes 302 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,519 out. Otherwise they wouldn't just let him go if suspended him for the year. 303 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:34,160 And he doesn't sound like he has put up a fight. We haven't 304 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,359 heard anything about an appeal, and like with the with the Coaches Association, 305 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,960 you had Matt Barnes saying he'd be shocked if he may have Dooka got another 306 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,160 job in the NBA, and then just a couple of months later, here 307 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,279 he is getting another job in the NBA. I am just I am. 308 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:51,920 This is not he may have. Dooka is clearly a great coach. This 309 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:56,200 is just like I this is so unbelievably tone death and you don't get to 310 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,799 say, well, this is all it's just about basketball. No, like 311 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:03,640 a basketball team suspended him for a year after he guided them to the finals. 312 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,519 This is just like again, I do believe that there are such a 313 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:12,119 thing as redemptive arcs. I'm not saying at some point Emilodoka won't. He 314 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:15,720 seemed sorry in his statement. I'm not gonna say that he can't redeem himself. 315 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,480 I'm not gonna say that he's not actually sorry. But what has he 316 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:23,000 done in two months to a tone for these allegations. Honestly, what has 317 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,519 he done in the past two months to a tone for these allegations? This 318 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:27,960 is just so And it's like I said in the other part, and I 319 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:30,880 think you're like, you're on the same front. I hate talking about it 320 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,400 for content. I'm honestly, this is just like me venting incoherently like extream 321 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,720 of conscious because it's just it's so frustrating. The other thing is this has 322 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:44,960 an element of because because Ludoka was an assistant under Nash, so so this 323 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,680 this also feels a little bit like what happens when it's it's like the substitute 324 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,480 teacher gets promoted full time, Like everybody likes the sub because they don't really 325 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:56,960 have any authority and they're like, you know, play special assistance and assistant 326 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,880 coaches always have better reporters or very often have better rapport with players, seem 327 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,039 like the good cop most of the time. You know that the head coach 328 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,119 takes on a very different role and that there's an element of that here too, 329 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,720 which is just like, yeah, I'm sure Duran and Irving and everybody 330 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,920 else liked Udoka better because he wasn't the one theoretically that was saying, hey, 331 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,960 we gotta like try hard and play defense and do all the stuff that 332 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,880 guys that are superstars don't want to do. And Udoka I think could be 333 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,000 the good cop in that situation. There's just like it's bad for that reason. 334 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,960 This would be a mistake, I think potentially for that reason, like 335 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:40,000 leaving aside all the all the optics, all the like morality stuff that we 336 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:41,920 won't get into, all the all all of those things, Like I just 337 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,559 it's wild, man. I can't wait for some press conference. I really 338 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:48,759 hope that. I don't even want to. I don't want to hear him 339 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:52,480 or see him. I'm I want to hear him. I want to hear 340 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:55,400 I want Nick Fodell in there, like holding this feet to the fire. 341 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,680 Are they're gonna give us that, They're gonna give us the trust us we 342 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,680 did our due diligence. Spiel is what's gonna happen. And it's like you 343 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,240 do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, and just I want to make 344 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:06,640 it clear, I don't care if Kad asked for this, I mean if 345 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Kyrie asked for this, Like I don't like they should have him on mute 346 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:12,640 like somehow, but like Joe Si Sean Mark, you can't let this happen. 347 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:18,039 And this is not me saying that I need the MBA or its teams 348 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,359 to be these beacons of morality. They are not my moral compass. We're 349 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:29,759 talking about just baseline fundamental human decency and logic, and the NETS can't fucking 350 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,400 embrace follow it. Espouse it however you want to phrase it. This is 351 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,359 just a The NBA should quite frankly be a shame at how all this is 352 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,519 played out too, Like, this is not just an I don't even know 353 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,799 me saying they should step in and stop this. I don't even know how 354 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,359 that works. But just like, this is just a this is a ship 355 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:51,240 show. It's it's like a special kind of disastrous like circus, and it 356 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,039 sucks if the nets suck. Uh. And this is top down at this 357 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,440 point, I don't Joe Joe si people giving him credit for coming out talking 358 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,680 about Kyrie Irving and his Twitter post he followed that up by the way to 359 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:04,480 threaten that said this is bigger than basketball. And then it's like, well 360 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,279 all right, but the Ebodoka allegations are not bigger Like those are? Those 361 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:11,759 are? Those are smaller than basketball. I'm at a loss for words. 362 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,480 Is but this is it. I just wanted to make sense. Somebody, 363 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,200 somebody explained it to me in a way that that the dots connect, because 364 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,160 I just I don't. I don't understand it. It's it's too wild, 365 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,079 it's too wild. I don't get it. So I'm probably just gonna cut 366 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,680 your outro and put it there and repost it twice is what I'll do. 367 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,440 Uh my god, let me have the recording now. So that's all we 368 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,920 have, I think, unless you'd like to add I guess I'll take us 369 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,960 so much that I'm probably gonna put this into like two different Oh yeah, 370 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,559 we went along. That's okay, that's what we do. So guys, 371 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:47,079 thank you for listening. That's gonna do it. I hope you will all 372 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,880 remember to let us know what you think on Twitter, all of our socialist 373 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,079 YouTube anywhere you'd like to comment and offer an opinion. Hopefully it's positive. 374 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,640 If it's not positive, let us know anyway so we can do a better 375 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,039 job. Follow us on socials. Join the discord, the link for which 376 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:06,160 is in the YouTube and podcast descriptions. 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