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Welcome to the one hundred and forty
ninth episode of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast

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So Unusually Paranormal. My name is
Jason Knight, host of the show,

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and with me, as always,
is the venerable Oscar Spector. That was

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my drummondes you hear it? Oh? Is that what that was about?

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You? Spell? Or you had
your old bones creaked weird and it hit

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the table. I don't know produce. No, it is my poor attempt

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at a drum roll producer. Extraordinary
podcast co the list listeners, If you

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would like to skip this lovely intro, please go to the show notes.

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There'll be a time stamp there waiting
for you to get you right to the

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topic. I'll sell it. Although
before you skip, though, I would

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say stay for this particular intro.
Yeah, we have some business to take

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care of, some business, just
saying in case hopefully they didn't skip yet,

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what were you gonna say? Possibly
they probably did. Yeah, they're

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gonna miss this whole important announcement,
So obviously we're releasing this a day late.

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Listeners, I sincerely apologize. In
four or five years since we've been

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doing this, I've never missed an
release ever. Even if I'm on the

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road on vacation, it always came
out. Yes, I think the one

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time something happened was when we switched
hosting companies and there was some technical glitch

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and it was like a week that
we couldn't published. So we're off by

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like a week. But in normal
times, never missed a fucking episode ever,

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except for this time. And I
was so panicked. I was physically

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ill because this happened. I believe
it. I believe, and then it

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dawned on me. I can't keep
up. We can't keep up with this

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every two week release. It just
our lives have gone in such directions where

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there's just not enough time too in
some months release four episodes, considering main

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Feed and Patreon up to the standard
that we like to release shows with that

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in depth research, you know,
multi part shows. It's just it's becoming

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incredibly difficult. I don't want to
stop. We're not going to stop,

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but for the time being, we're
going to a one month release schedule,

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yes, to kind of see how
things go. We may come back to

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bi weekly releases eventually in the future, but for now we're going to one

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episode a month. We're going to
keep up with our Patreon, it's gonna

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be a lot easier for us to
handle and continue to bring you the type

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of episodes that you know and love
us for. So that's my announcement.

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A little sad, but it's got
to be done. I don't want to

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I don't want to just slap shit
together just to release. That's just not

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what we do. So mm hmm. Yeah, it's been it's been a

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crazy time, you know. And
along with that, you know, is

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that my life is as well.
It's kind of changing a bit, so

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it could be also I don't know
yet, but a very good chance of

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that happening, and it'll change for
the better, but for the busier as

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well. It's coming up very soon. So like, if that does turn

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out the way I hope it does
turn out, and that means I'm gonna

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be very similar boat, and then
not like you, because you work like

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a madman. I won't be working
quite like you. No one works like

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you, really, but but definitely
closer to you. So yeah, it'll

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be harder for sure. And you
know, and also like holidays are coming,

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it's like winter is coming, right, that's right. It certainly feels

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like that when the holidays start coming
around. Gear up. The war is

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about to begin, right, holidays
are, and especially with all the shipping

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problems. Yeah, but hopefully you
ordered all that already, guys, because

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it's gonna be harder. Yeah,
in November, order it November, definitely

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this month. That's like today we've
started pause this episode and get them gifts

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for your kids and loved ones because
you're not gonna maybe maybe really late.

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I still have some stuff that came
in late, like weeks late last year.

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Yeah, I came in. It
wasn't for like anything, but it

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was like one thing, but it
was still like on you know that sucked

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does But otherwise you know how you
been been okay, been okay, just

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you know, nothing really new with
me over the past quite a few episodes.

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Work work, work all day long. I mean there is something that

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you're forgetting. I'm forgetting now.
Yes, since our last show there we

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went through all hollows of youth and
you had you had a thing going.

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I told you I had something.
You had a thing at your place and

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I was there, So how was
that it was? It turned out to

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be a lot of fun. I
think we had like all together, probably

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thirty people show up, yeah,
in and out. It wasn't like calling

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once yeah, in and out.
We drank, We had food, handed

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out, tons of candy. The
front yard looked great with all the decorations.

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I think our girl who handles our
social media accounts, I think she

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put up some video of of our
front yard and the kids and stuff.

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But it was a great it wasn't
It wasn't you singing that the Italian song?

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Wasn't I it wasn't you saying pizza
pie? And hid right? It

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wasn't that right because because I was
next to you in that one. No,

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I won't. I won't let her
put that one up good. But

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apparently there's video float around somewhere from
what I hear. Yeah, these are

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the reasons why I really never want
to be big. I don't want that

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being on earthed. No, wouldn't
that be funny? No? Terrible,

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terrible. Here's your big break.
You're making it to the big time in

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the podcasting world. Wait a minute, what is this a pizza pie?

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That's a little racist. You can't
say that now you dreams are crushed.

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You're Italian. No, but it
was just embarrassing. Normally drunk and embarrassing

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because you were drunk, dunk I
was, I was feeling I was feeling

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good. It was it was a
great time, having ever won together.

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Some friends that I haven't seen in
a long time showed up and it was

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great. It was great. Yes, and I wore my uh was plague

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doctor, plague doctor. That's right, that was fun. I gotta keep

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the mask on though. Yeah.
No, No, you're just like my

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kids. We spend this money on
the Halloween costume, then they go out

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trick or treating they take a mask
off. Well, the difference is that

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I pay for my own masks,
so it's true. No, you just

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can't wait. I need I'm a
guy. Everyone out there should know if

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you don't already, I need glasses
to see. And that mask kind of

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prohibits that. Matter of fact,
all masks so kind of prohibited for me

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should be. But that mask was
so cool that I had to bring it.

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It was very nice, like real
leather, the whole thing, right.

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I remember it was still daytime.
Uh. My wife looked up and

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she saw this guy walking down the
street. She's like, Jay, look

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at this fucking weirdo walking down the
street, Because who is that? I

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don't know. She goes, if
that's if that's not oscar, we should

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call the police, and they wound
up being you. Why would you call

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the police on me? How do
I look creepy? Oh? Just the

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way you're walking with the big plague
doctor's mask. You had the cane tap

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tap tapping down the street. It
was creepy. Yeah. I had the

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neo code that is old. Oh
yeah, years old. M hmm,

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yeah it was. It was a
great costume. Me. I was just

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a big giant glass of beer.
Yeah, you were, because that's the

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kind of suits you get for fat
guys. You were like one of those

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Simpsons characters, you know how they
have a Tough World duff Man. Yeah,

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no, not the toff Man.
There's like one of like those like

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side characters in the Tough World universe. Were like one. They're all like

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glasses of beer, but they're all
called something. I was like swirly or

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drunkie or mean, like one of
those. Yeah, some jinky off brimed

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beer. Great, thanks, you're
welcome. Well I really thought your costume

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said duff or wasn't I say something
like duff But it didn't. It was

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just normal normal. It was totally
generic. I didn't even think of duff.

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I should have thought of that.
That would have been cool for sure.

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Yeah. Yeah. And then obviously
the jellow shots. That was good.

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Yeah, handing jello shouts out to
the parents. We went through a

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ton of jello shots. I think
Katie made over one hundred yellow shots and

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we went through them all. Not
no grants, we had a bunch ourselves,

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but hey, you know, oh
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two myself and I was probably the
lowest one. Everyone else got like five.

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Yeah. Yeah, And you know, people would come back like,

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oh, we remember you guys from
last year. We made it a point

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to stop by see what you guys
were up to this time. So that's

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cool. Neighborhoods, camaraderie, it's
together, catching on, it's catching on.

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Yeah, man, so you're right, that did happen. That was

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a lot of fun. Otherwise,
it's been pretty normal, you know,

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like the same old, same old
kind of scenario where we don't want to

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have to explain work, living,
trying to relax you in there. On

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my end, I mean, it
could be some fun stuff coming up,

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but as far as like on me, nothing else really watching a lot of

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stuff, playing with the girls as
usual. Nothing really to report, nothing

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supernatural, definitely to report. Yeah, well I might have something on that

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front, on the supernatural front,
but I'll get to that at the very

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end of this episode. At the
very end. Yeah, I'm gonna make

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We're gonna make you guys wait for
it. What kind of fucking teases that

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bro? The hell? So?
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, So that's

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about it, right, Yes,
contact info. I guess so you seem

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I just hate the number. The easiest

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look like a game show. When
I'm doing I'm doing, you're like an

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orc or conductor. I'm going to
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do, Okay, I like esoteric. I like that word word. It's

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nice. It is, it is. It's very mysterious. Yeah so so,

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So the following part portion of this
introduction is actually false. It is

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dramaticized, kind of like a like
a documentary where they like they take liberties

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as to the real events because no
one was there to take a picture,

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so like they have to reenact the
events right of what happened in real life.

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So the following phone number is fake. But here you go eight seven

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two five two nine zero seven six
seven That Chicago area code eight seven to

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two five two nine zero seven sixty
seven. Leave us a message, send

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us a text. We'll read all
in on the phone as a phone.

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Which reminds me of something. If
you were to signal to someone, let's

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say, wordlessly, to call you
or call them, or signal that you

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want to make a phone call,
how would you do with your hands?

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I would put my four I would
cross my forearms in front of my face

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like a great big X. Well
that's what I would do. No,

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that's not true. You know what
I mean. The universal symbol that I

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think you're trying to avoid is doing
this right? Right? That's what that

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is? Right, that you're making
a phone call. Yes, right,

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you know what I'm doing? Right? Oh, the thumb and the pinky

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to your ear and mouth right that
the receiver right, and the the mouthpiece,

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the mouthpiece. You guys want to
know? And have you been watching

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those things of how they How the
kids do it? Now? No,

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because they grew up not with this, So they do this. Oh I

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want to slap them. They do
this everyone. I don't have to explain

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what I'm doing. Everyone who listening
to us knows exactly what I'm saying.

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They do this like they're holding an
iPhone because they forever the they their entire

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life. The got used to only
this, never this, this is never

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for band a phone for them.
I never noticed that, but oh my

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god, if you ask ask your
kids, I'm sure maybe they Yeah,

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I think Talia might like, what
is this mean this? Oh god,

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you might we're old brother. Before
we go to break, we did receive

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a text speaking about the phone number. We did receive a text from my

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cousin, Shelley. She says she's
a friend of the show, longtime listener.

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She just wanted to compliment and give
us props for the content warning on

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the Ayoki Kahara Forest episode when we
talked about the other content warning go back

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and listen to it. So she
sent us props for that. And she's

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a tough girl to please, so
that I told her, I promise I'm

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gonna I'm gonna read that on the
show. So thank you, Shelly.

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I thought it was the right thing
to do put the content warning that is.

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Oh boy, how about we go
to break? Yeah, that's do

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that. I think we needed.
Hive four three two listeners, Welcome back

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to the show. Well, the
lights are turned down low. The ceremonial

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candle is lit and the drinks are
flowing. Let's start this show. In

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case you skipped our lovely intro,
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Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast is changing its
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starting in December, we'll be releasing
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that's to continue bringing good, solid
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So, I don't know if you
remember Oscar, but all the way back

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in episode six when we were,
i know, brand new to podcasting and

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we had no idea what we were
doing. I can't remember the last time

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I thought of the number six,
I know, right. In episode six,

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we covered two topics, the Charlie
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The Luigi Board, No, no, no, the Ouiji Board. Oh

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okay. In episode six we gave
some hit on both the Charlie Charlie Challenge

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and the Wigi Board, and we
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Now, looking back the history portion, the backstory portion, especially concerning

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the Wigi Board, in my opinion, it wasn't that good. It wasn't

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up to par with the level of
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and it's frankly something I'd like to
visit one day and revisit one day in

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the future. But it was fun
talking about our own personal experiences with the

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Wigi board, which by the way, were all true and spoiler We've never

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had a positive experience using the Wigi
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of the episode was interesting. We
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night with both the Charlie Charlie challenge
and our Wigi board session. In fact,

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in preparation to record episode six,
I insisted we record in my garage

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because I didn't want to use the
Wigi board in my house. I was

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honestly afraid of summoning something bad,
and I was worried that something would in

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turn infect my house and my family. You've seen enough horror movies to know

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better, damn right, So we
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remember it was cold that night,
and as I recall it, Oscar,

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just like me, you also refused
to be part of the Ouiji board

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session. Do you remember that?
Yeah, my mom taught me better,

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so I was gonna ask you why, So it's just how you were raised

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stay away from stuff like that.
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enough compared to other Hispanic or Mexicans
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families and parents that I've met,
they're not at no, no, when

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you're as superstitious. They're very religious, but they're not superstitious about things like

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that. They don't there were they're
science. You know, it's not science

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science. I'm not saying they're like
super intesigns either, but I'm just saying

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that it's not like to them,
it really would be probably just a boored

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But I know enough through the family
in general, like why even tempted?

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Why even why like where it's all
all all of the The worst that can

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happen is nothing. I mean,
the best thing that can happen is nothing,

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and the worst that can happen is
insane. And there is no better

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version than that. Do it right, might as well not do it?

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If the best thing is that nothing
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no gain, there is no rewards, only risk, only risk. Great

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way to put it, and they
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I don't know. Maybe they did
as a kid, and it's just ingrained

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in me and the memory's gone.
Maybe they did, I don't know,

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but I know that while I know
that they do kind of believe in some

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supernatural stuff regarding like I don't say
energies. They don't say energies. They

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say, you know, like the
remnants of things, the ghosts of things,

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they kind of like did by just
their maybe and I just kind of like

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attune to it, and I just
never fuck with them, never fuck with

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no owiki board. So understood.
I'm the exact same way today. I

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don't want to do it. I
don't want to round myself, my house,

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my family. I love the way
you put it. The best thing

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that could happen is nothing, and
the worst thing that could happen is insane.

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Is insane, because I could tell
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crazy shit happen with the Wigi board. Just go back and listen to our

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stories in episode six. So ultimately
that night when we recorded, Joe Eerie

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and my wife Katie Knight, they
stepped up and they did the WIGI session

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together and like I said, some
weird things did happen. And even my

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mom, who's also incredibly leary of
the Wigi board, she said in on

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that episode two to kind of oversee
the Wuigi portion, she was just trying

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to protect you guys. I think
it wasn't like exactly yeah, yeah,

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just in case something bad happened.
You're the warden warden, yes, yeah.

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I'm not sure what she would have
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I feel like she had something though. I feel like she had some

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some sort of Tannis rude from like
Rosemary's Baby ready to go, We're going

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to fucking pop that demon or whatever. So it should something. We just

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don't know because it never happened.
But I'm pretty sure she had like the

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spiritual equivalent of a machete or something
for whatever came through. Probably No,

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my mom, you're you're probably right. She's attuned to all that stuff.

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As he's like, oh yeah,
I had this crystal in my back in

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my pocket the whole time. Also
like a salt gun. And you know

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how people they gripped their keys,
so all the keys coming through the knuckles,

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so if you have to fight an
attack or something like she had the

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equivalent of that right to go,
only Crystal spoke into the knuckles, right,

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Crystal Love. I hope she's listening
to this and cracking up. Yeah,

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but yeah, I don't know what
she would have done if we did

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contact something better, they contacted something
bad, like the entity we're going to

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talk about tonight. But she insisted
on being there nonetheless, and we were

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thankful she was there for us.
And after everything was said and done and

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we finished recording, it was really
late and Joe Eery he wanted to sleep

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over, but even before I would
let him step foot into the house,

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I insisted he put that Wigi board
back into his truck. Wouldn't let me

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bring it in. That's how strongly
I feel about the Wigi board. I

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didn't want it in my house,
and I sure as hell wasn't gonna do

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it in my house. You just
never know where you're gonna get with these

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things, you know. Yeah,
I mean I'm a little more lax than

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you on that specific regard, but
I would never have it play in my

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house. I would definitely never touch
it. I will never play with it.

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But if someone brings it in and
I'm not gonna like you men to

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kick it out. I'll make sure
it goes with the person that brought it

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in on the way out. But
like, yeah, I understand you're I

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understand what you're saying. Yeah,
yeah, And again what we're gonna talk

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about tonight. This entity, if
it's real, it's yet another reason why

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you have to be incredibly careful when
attempting to contact the spirit world, especially

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in this case, when using the
Wigi board. So tonight's episode isn't going

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to be a deep dive into the
history of the Wigi board. I'm just

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going to get that out there right
away because I'm assuming everyone that listens to

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this podcast specifically at least knows what
the wigi board is, right, It's

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that popular mystifying oracle, the Talking
board. You could literally pick up a

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Wiji board at your local Walmart right
now for twenty five bucks. You can

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make your own, though, you
can make your own, this is true,

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yes, which isn't actually probably worse
and I talk about this a little

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bit later in the script. Now, I think the only thing that's worse

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than making your own, because there's
something personal about having your own, like

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making your own it like it feels
like it would imbue even worse drawcomes.

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It really does, especially if you
take the time to carve it out of

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like, oh anything like an oak
or like a yeah, styrophoam whatever it

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is. I'm kidding that stirophone.
But you know the only thing that's worse

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than that is if you make an
economic conversion of a Wichi board made out

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of human flesh and the thing is
made out of teeth and the fucking letters

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are in blood. Oh my god, that would be they you should make

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that. This would be a movie
about that. Anyway, continue give it

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time. I'm sure there will be
But yeah, you can literally go to

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your local walmout right now buy a
Weigi board for twenty five bucks. And

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funny enough, the box says that
the Wiji board is appropriate for ages eight

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and up. Isn't it something at
eight years old you could start contacting spirits

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and demons. Oh yeah, a
lot of people don't believe in right,

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Yeah. And on the back of
the box it says in bold lettering,

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it's only a game, isn't it. No, Hasbro, I don't think

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it's just a game, and you'll
sit back bro it is yeah. Oh

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wow. Hasbro is like the parent
company at some other company that actually puts

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out the board, but Hasbro is
the parent company. Okay, but no,

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I don't think it's just a game. And you'll see why it isn't

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just a game here shortly now.
And I've proven this just to your point,

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Oscar, you don't need an actual
wigi board in plan chet, the

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heart shaped piece of plastic with a
hole in it that glides around the regi

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board to do wigi board type shit. I've made a wigi board out of

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construction paper and a shot glass and
it worked. But the physical board and

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the plan chet is the most common
way people attempt to commune with the other

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side, especially the uninitiated, those
who aren't aware of the negative consequences that

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could come along with using such a
device. Anyone used the wigi board at

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a grammar school sleepover? I know
I did a bunch of times. Ever,

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See The Exorcist. It's all fun
and games until it isn't. All

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the stories are eerily similar. You
make contact with something on a wigi board

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that initially poses itself as friendly,
a deceased loved one, a helpful spirit

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guide, a child. It draws
you in, builds your trust, kind

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of gets you addicted and then bam, all held. It's really a gateway

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drug to paranormal mouthfeasance, you know, paranormal sinning or repercussions, right,

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because like it's like it's like if
like you buy drugs from a drug dealer

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for the first time in some CD
park, but like if something really bad

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happens to you in the first time, kind of like a Ouiji board session,

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you never go back immediately, right, you never go back, or

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that guy mugs you and kills you
right then and there, and the equivalent

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of drug buying, or you get
caught by the cops right aways, and

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you know, if someone catches you
and you get arrested. It's like that,

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like you're you're it's a gateweight drug. It's like it's like the the

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smallest, Like the way you would
start entering the criminal world is the same

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way you would start entering the paranormal
world with heroin or wigi board, you

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know, right exactly. Or sure, throw some molly in there too,

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some zimzams and flim flams. I'll
take it all. I don't either,

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but yeah, it draws you in, gets you addicted. It pretends it's

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your friend, it answers questions,
and all of a sudden boom, all

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hell breaks. Suddenly, shit's going
crazy in your home. You're seeing things,

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hearing things, having nightmares, paranoia. Some people even claim that they've

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become possessed by whatever they conjured up
on the Ouiji board. Demons, evil

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spirits, negative energy, call it
what you like. These things are incredibly

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hard to get rid of once they
get hold of someone, which is why

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you really have to be careful when
you place your fingers on that planchet and

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begin to ask questions. You just
don't know what you're gonna get, and

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the consequences could be dire. You
could take a page from my book and

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just not do it, or you
could run the risk of using the Ouiji

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board and accidentally making contact with a
relatively new, frightening phenomenon called Zozo or

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the Zozo demon or the Wigi board
demon. Now really quick, I just

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want to stop right here. The
Oigi board for me, has always been

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a negative thing. I've never had
a good encounter with the Wigi board.

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But just on the flip side,
there's people out there who use the damn

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thing every single day, and they
say it's the most wonderful, positive thing

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in the world that helps them in
their daily lives. It helps them meditate

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and focus. There's two sides of
this coin. My personal experience is it's

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bad, stay the fuck away from
it. But there is an opposite side

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to that coin. I just wanted
to mention that, all right, because

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I'm sure I'm gonna pis some people
out you know, piss people off out

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there who have had positive experiences.
I never did, so that's my angle,

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right, Well, what's a positive
version of it? Is that like

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giving you the you know, the
investment uh investment predictions or something I can't

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I can't say one hundred percent because
it's never happened to me. But maybe

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they do. I've never heard of
a positive one. Maybe they do,

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is what I'm trying to say.
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I've never I'm having I've definitely have
everything one Definitely. I have never

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read about one. Definitely have never
heard of someone who's read about one.

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I guess until now. You sure
you could read up on the Wigia board

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online and there's forums people saying it's
the greatest tool in the world, you

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know, got it, But for
me, it never has been so that's

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the angle I'm coming at this because
it's my personal experience, right right.

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I just want to get that out
there now. Zozo, as I said,

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is a relatively new phenomenon, but
that doesn't make the idea of Zozo,

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if real, any less terrifying.
And I should clarify by relatively new,

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I mean in popularity or more like
notoriety. We're talking two thousand and

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nine, when Zoso appeared on scene, first on a message board, and

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then in a twenty and sixteen book, and in between two thousand and nine,

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in twenty sixteen, and since the
Internet has taken over as it does,

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and suddenly Zozo is everywhere wreaking ha
it on Ouiji board users think slender

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Man, right, something born on
the Internet and for all intents and purposes,

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becomes quote unquote real over time.
That's kind of how Zozo is.

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However, I do want to mention
that I found reference to Zozo as far

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back as over five hundred years ago, way before a book was written about

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him, and obviously way before the
Internet was even a twinkle in someone's dream,

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which to me is a huge difference
between slender Man and Zozo, and

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something that makes this story that much
more frightening. Unlike slender Man, Zoso's

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rooted in history. Now today,
Zoso could actually go by a few different

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names, like Zaza, Zo so
Zo, os Za, or even Mama

407
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:08.240
or Abacus. Abagus actually makes an
appearance in the Book of Revelation under the

408
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:14.160
name Abadon, the king of an
army of locusts, or the Destroyer when

409
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.920
translated to Greek. Yeah, some
of these right away reminds me of movies.

410
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.400
I think mentioning those things Habdon and
I've heard Zo also, I think

411
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:30.960
sounds Yeah, there's a rumor there's
a really funny story with Zo so z

412
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.119
O s O, which I didn't
really write into the script, but we

413
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:41.000
could talk about it later if you
want. But Zoo has even been described

414
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:48.160
as the simplified name for Pazuzu,
the ancient Mesopotamian king of the wind demons

415
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.319
and Captain Howdie's true identity. In
the movie The Exorcist. You could clearly

416
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:59.400
see the multiple z's in the name, right, Zozo, Pazuzu. And

417
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.240
it's the common in use of the
letter Z when the entity names itself on

418
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.599
the Wigi board that gives rise to
yet another name for this thing the z

419
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:14.160
entity. Most commonly, though,
when using the Ouigi board, it's Zozo

420
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:19.920
zo Zo that comes through, and
you'll know you got them when the planchet

421
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.400
moves back and forth between the letters
Z and O z z z z O.

422
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.960
If this happens, strap in because
you're in for a hell of a

423
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:36.640
ride now. The unique thing about
Zozo is that he overwhelmingly seems to be

424
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.559
a Wigi board based entity. There
are tons of stories from all over the

425
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.680
world of people using the Wigi board
and coming into contact with Zozo. There

426
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:52.480
are even isolated reports that Zoso has
made an appearance while people were under hypnosis

427
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.880
or they were meditating or attempting automatic
writing in altered states of mind. In

428
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:04.240
other words, it's said that even
merely mentioning his name Zozo, or even

429
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.599
thinking about him, draws the demon's
attention, so it's strongly advised not to

430
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:15.839
even speak or think about him because
this is a nasty entity. As the

431
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:21.240
stories go, once contacted, the
Zozo entity will be a kind or even

432
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:28.279
friendly spirit, answering questions, solving
problems, winning an unsuspecting victim's trust,

433
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.880
and then all of a sudden,
his real intentions manifest and that's when Zoso

434
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.480
jumps off the Wiji board and infects
a person's life. In the most extreme

435
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:43.960
cases, it's said that Zoso can
possess a person or attach himself to someone

436
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:50.720
for years, slowly driving his victim
mad. Somewhat milder but just as terrifying

437
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:57.599
manifestations of Zozo can induce extreme fear
or violent anger in a person. Depression,

438
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:04.240
dark thoughts, sleeplessness and anxiety,
paranoia, sleepwalking, strange marks appearing

439
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.360
on your body. All of these
are side effects of coming into contact with

440
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:13.360
Zozo, the wigiboard demon. He
could appear as a menacing shadow figure,

441
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.719
he could move objects, and he
feeds on fear. The more afraid Zozo's

442
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.559
victim is, the stronger he becomes. And if this isn't bad enough,

443
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:29.639
it's believed that Zozo tries to specifically
target those who already suffer from some sort

444
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:36.280
of psychological disorder, suicidal tendencies,
depression, stuff like that, which to

445
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.840
me makes this thing a predator,
A dark, ancient predator whose only goal

446
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:47.360
is to harass and thoroughly torment his
victims. A predator that could have always

447
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:53.199
been but started using Wigi boards to
more easily reach into our world. Back

448
00:34:53.239 --> 00:35:00.440
when wigi boards became popular during the
spiritualist movement in the eighteen forties, and

449
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.679
ever since, Zoso has been there
waiting for someone to pick up a wigi

450
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:10.320
board and whisper the dangerously vague incantation, Ouiji board, wigi board, please

451
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:16.480
send me a spirit Now we all
know it's a toss up as to whether

452
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.800
or not Zoso is real. You
either believe or you don't me I honestly

453
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.559
do believe that you could pick up
some pretty negative stuff when using the wigi

454
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:30.320
board. I think I've made that
that clear. That's why I refuse to

455
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.800
do it anymore. Could there be
a wigi board specific entity out there?

456
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:42.079
Maybe lots of people think so.
Maybe, Like it's like like the preferred

457
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:47.159
method of like communication, Like you
think of like, oh I do you

458
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:52.159
have WhatsApp? I rather not use
Facebook instead Messenger, you know, like

459
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.760
zozos are like, oh no,
I really don't know how to use the

460
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.000
thought train. I can't do that. I really don't know how to use

461
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.119
who's a port keys? No,
can't do that. It's not at that

462
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:08.280
a you have a wiki board,
you know, it's a method. Yeah,

463
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:13.079
yeah, And they say It's like
he was waiting for that ideal method

464
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.599
to reach into our world and boom
spiritual movement. Spiritualist movement in eighteen forties.

465
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.880
Everyone's got a Oiji board. It's
a cool thing to do. That

466
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.760
was his his telephone in right,
his Zoom meeting into our world. I

467
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:29.079
guess is zoom meaning? And now
that we're in you know, twenty twenty

468
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.440
one, it's the Internet. Now
he's all over the Internet and he's wreaking

469
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.480
havoc on people who use wigi boards
and then talk about him on the Internet.

470
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:44.079
Crazy creepy, like giving him power. Yeah, kind of. So

471
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.599
a lot of people think this guy
exists. One person that believes Zozo is

472
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:52.079
absolutely real, excuse me, is
a man named Darren Evans from Oklahoma.

473
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.159
Now. Back in two thousand and
nine, Darren Evans is the one who

474
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:04.239
started talking about his experience with Zozo
on an online forum dedicated to true ghost

475
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:09.199
stories. His posts resonated with people, and tons of stories started pouring in

476
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:14.480
from people all over the world claiming
to have made contact with the very same

477
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:20.800
entity Zozo. In fact, Evan
received so many stories that he created a

478
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.000
website dedicated to them. I've left
a link to that website in this episode

479
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:28.679
show notes, so you could read
all these Zozo stories for yourself. There's

480
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:34.000
a ton of them now. Eventually, Evans took the frightening encounters he and

481
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.239
his family suffered at the hands of
Zozo, along with other people's stories and

482
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:43.760
some additional research, and he published
a book in twenty sixteen called The Zozo

483
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:49.039
Phenomenon. Now, as Evans's stories
starts out, it's like a lot of

484
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.639
other Zozo stories. It all began
on a mysterious Ouiji board that Evans found

485
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.400
in a basement. He begins playing
with the board and he makes contact with

486
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.400
what at first seems like a friendly
entity, but then it slowly changed and

487
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:08.199
became aggressive. When Evan asked the
seemingly new entities name the plan, chet

488
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:15.119
moved rapidly back and forth between the
letters Z and O. Zozo started spelling

489
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:21.639
out curse words and using aggressive language, and one time it told Evans that

490
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:28.239
it wanted to take his family to
Paradise. When Evans asked what paradise was

491
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:38.199
where it was, Zoso spelled out
h E L l okay. After Zoso

492
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.800
said he wanted to take the Evans
family to paradise. Paradise being hell,

493
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:47.159
Evans was understandably spooted, and he
immediately went to check on his wife and

494
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.880
his one year old daughter. Now, initially his wife was nowhere to be

495
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:57.360
found, but he found his baby
daughter nearly drowned in the overflowing bathtub.

496
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.920
His daughter was fine, thank god
he got during the nick of time.

497
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.960
But when Evans questioned his wife just
what the fuck was she thinking leaving a

498
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.679
one year old in a full bathtub, his wife replied that she left the

499
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:14.159
baby alone for just a second and
that the tub wasn't anywhere close to being

500
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:19.320
full, much less overflowing when she
left the bathroom. She said, for

501
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.039
those few seconds, there was hardly
any water in tub. That's terrifying.

502
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:29.880
Evans claims he was physically assaulted by
Zozo and that the whole experience caused him

503
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:34.559
to suffer a full on nervous breakdown, and he and his daughter were hospitalized

504
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:39.000
during the whole infernal ordeal with Zoso. Evans for that nervous breakdown and his

505
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:45.880
young daughter for this mysterious respiratory illness
that no one could figure out. Evans

506
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.719
believes his daughter's ailments were brought on
by Zozo. He's going to take him

507
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:57.880
to Paradise. So the modern stories
of Zozo modern being sentce two thousand and

508
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.199
nine can be traced back to Darren
v his post on a ghost message board

509
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:06.599
in two thousand and nine, his
book in twenty sixteen, and the Internet

510
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.519
jumping in on it, and the
Zoso story in between those years, and

511
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:15.159
the stories continue on the Internet to
this day. Just YouTube the word Zozo

512
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.480
right. There was even a twenty
twelve movie dedicated to the Zoso story called

513
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:28.079
I Am Zozo. It starred Courtney
Foxworthy, Kelly McLaren, and Demetrius Seger.

514
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.960
I don't know any of those names. Yeah, I don't know who

515
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.880
they are either. Honestly, I
thought you sounded like you knew them,

516
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.400
Like wow, I was setting up
a joke before my time. I'm like,

517
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.239
no, who are these people?
Well, honestly, I've never seen

518
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.920
the movie, but it has a
whopping thirty one percent audience score on Rotten

519
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:49.719
Tomatoes and three point three stars out
of ten on IMDb. I probably won't

520
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:54.360
watch this movie anytime soon. Yeah, those two life based on something legendary

521
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.119
movies that really sucked on't they?
They tend to be horrible. Yeah,

522
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.039
they tend to be pretty bad now. The strange thing is, historically,

523
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:08.400
Zoso can be traced back hundreds of
years. He's mentioned by name in a

524
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:17.119
book published in the year eighteen sixteen
called dicconar Infernal The Infernal Dictionary Ooh Yeah

525
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:25.400
Right, by French occultist, demonologist
and author Jacques Colin de Plancy. In

526
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:31.599
Dictiononar Infernal, Deplancy recounts the story
of a young woman in the Piccardi region

527
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.639
in France who became possessed by three
devils or demons. The demons were named

528
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:46.639
Mimi, sometimes translated as Mama,
Capulette, and Zozo. The three devils

529
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.039
forced this poor woman to walk down
the street on all fours, forwards,

530
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.000
backwards, and sometimes straight up on
our hands, feet high in the air.

531
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.400
The girl claimed that Mimi would push
her forward, Zoso would pull her

532
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:06.000
backwards, and Capulette would have a
good old time holding the woman's legs high

533
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.239
in the air, and all three
together the demons would contort the poor woman's

534
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:16.960
body in these unnatural positions. It's
explained in Diccionnar and Farnan that when an

535
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:23.159
exorcism was performed on the demon besieged
woman when Zoso was cast out, windows

536
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:29.960
in the church where the exorcism took
place exploded. It's pretty creepy, and

537
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:36.199
that story is over two hundred years
old. Another instance of the Zozo demon

538
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:42.880
predating Darren Evans and the mention in
dictiononnar and Farnan was an offhanded reference I

539
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:49.599
ran into in a single article which
briefly mentioned Saint Bernardino of Sienna making reference

540
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:54.519
to something called the mass of Zozo. Now I thought this was really interesting

541
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:59.760
because if this article was right,
and Saint Bernardino, the Apostle of Italy

542
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:05.559
did in fact mention Zoso, that
would place his mention of this specific demon

543
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:12.119
somewhere in the mid fourteen forties,
well over five years, five hundred years

544
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.840
before Zoso became popular online. Now
really quick, in case you don't know,

545
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.800
Saint Bernardino was canonized a Roman Catholic
saint in the year fourteen fifty,

546
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:27.480
about six years after he died,
and he's venerated as the patron Saint of

547
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:34.800
advertising, communications, compulsive gambling,
and respiratory problems. Hey that one right

548
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.840
at the end there. Wow.
Now, Saint Bernardino's preaching style was incredibly

549
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:44.280
popular as he did it publicly instead
of in hushed tones inside of a church

550
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.599
during mass. Interesting, and his
public sermons were mainly directed against sorcery,

551
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:57.880
witchcraft, infanticide, gambling, usury, and homosexuality in Jews. Hey,

552
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.440
it was a different time, different
time. But he really is an interesting

553
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.119
historical figure. So when I read
that Bernardino made a mention of Zoso over

554
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.519
five hundred years ago, I had
to find out if it was true.

555
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.400
Now, it took me quite a
while, but I found it. I

556
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:20.920
found Bernardino's mention of Zoso. It
was in the twenty eighth volume of the

557
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:27.000
Month in Catholic Review, published in
eighteen seventy six. Now, this is

558
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:31.159
a five hundred and thirty three page
read, and within it is a section

559
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:38.039
called the Contemporaries of Saint Bernardine Bernardino
Bernardine. They use the names interchangeably for

560
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:44.280
the saint, it's called Contemporaries of
Saint Bernardine, a section that is mainly

561
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:50.679
concerned with exploring Bernardine's outlook on idolatry, divination, superstitions, and gambling,

562
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:55.440
and how demons are involved in all
of these vices to help destroy man's spirit

563
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.320
and to separate him from God,
and a good point of this section on

564
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:07.320
Saint Bernardino specifically focuses on the evils
of gambling. An old man, Saint

565
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:13.400
Bernardino fucking hated gambling man, ah
man, and you have when you have

566
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.400
a passion of hate, go for
it. You gotta go for it with

567
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:22.360
Gusto. Now, it's in a
section that vividly describes the evils of gambling

568
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:28.559
that the mention of Zozo comes in. Bernardino does this amazing job describing what

569
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:34.039
he calls churches of the malignant.
How fucking cool is that? Churches?

570
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:40.440
That's metal or what I take in
today's language to be gambling dens. Okay.

571
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:47.559
Bernardino explains that just as God has
his church on earth with its masses,

572
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:53.559
rituals, and leaders, so does
Lucifer and Lucifer's malignant churches. Churches

573
00:45:54.199 --> 00:46:00.960
parallel the Catholic Church in every way, only in opposite and again the Catholic

574
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:07.199
Church. Okay, uh huh.
Bernardino explained, as God established his church

575
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.440
on earth with our pope as the
supreme pontiff, so did Lucifer, who

576
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:17.320
established himself as the supreme pontiff.
Opposite. It's the same but opposite right.

577
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:24.519
Instead of our Catholic cardinals, Lucifer
placed into position magistrates and city officers

578
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:30.559
and rulers who had the power to
grant exemptions and licenses in favor of blasphemers

579
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:36.920
and evildoers, and who could approve, defend, and leave unpunished those who

580
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:43.159
commit wicked deeds. Owners of gambling
dens and taverns are Lucifer's bishops, and

581
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.280
the dens and taverns themselves are the
churches. They're filthy rooms. The altars

582
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:54.519
purifying holy incense becomes the sweet smell
of cooked meat, meant to lure sinners

583
00:46:54.559 --> 00:47:00.000
with the promise of gluttony, which
leads to other vices like gambling contained within

584
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:06.880
these malignant churches. According to Bernardino, unlike the Catholic Church, or next

585
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:12.559
to every altar, there's a recept
receptacle containing holy oils next to the altars.

586
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.360
In malignant churches, there are receptacles
that hold dice. On and on

587
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:23.719
Bernardino goes, making these shocking comparisons
the Catholic Church versus Lucifer's malignant churches,

588
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:31.159
his dens of vice. It's when
Bernardino juxtaposes the holy Catholic Mass against Lucifer's

589
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:37.400
infernal Mass. That Zoso is mentioned. It's only a brief statement, but

590
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.159
I think it's a powerful statement.
Now, Bernardino sets up Zoso by first

591
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:47.960
mentioning that the demons that preside over
the infernal mass in the malignant churches are

592
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.320
named after various throes of the dice. Remember, this whole thing is about

593
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:58.119
the evils of gambling. He's trying
to steer people that he's publicly speaking to

594
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.599
away from the sin of game.
Yeah, he says, the demons are

595
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:10.079
named Testa, Sabatalio, Sabaalio,
sequenta, Spagnolio, reversal names like that.

596
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:17.039
Immediately after calling out these demons by
name, by names of dice throws,

597
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.280
Bernardino says, quote, the mass
of Zoso is to be the commune

598
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:28.800
omnium daemonium, or the mass of
Zoso is to commune with all demons.

599
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:35.039
Now, for me, when Bernardino
mentions that Zoso's mass is a communion with

600
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:39.639
all demons, the question I immediately
had was, is Bernardino saying that Zoso

601
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:45.519
isn't one but he's many. I'm
guessing here, of course, but can

602
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.760
this be the reason why Zoso is
found wherever there's a Wuigi board, because

603
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:55.199
he isn't one. He's a legion. So again, it seems that there's

604
00:48:55.239 --> 00:49:00.239
some weight behind this Zoso thing.
And I gotta tell you, finding the

605
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.400
historical references to Zozo wasn't an easy
task, especially a Saint Bernardino reference.

606
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.719
I spent a lot of time purposely
searching for that. In other words,

607
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.199
I don't think Darren Evans just stumbled
upon Saint Bernardino's story back in two thousand

608
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.119
and nine, read the word Zozo
and said, oh yeah, I'm gonna

609
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.000
use that to get famous and scare
the shit out of people. I don't

610
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.480
think it went down like that,
right, But that begs the question,

611
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:30.960
what then is Zozo? And of
course I don't know. Thankfully I never

612
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.000
ran into him when I used to
use the Wiji board back in my careless

613
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:39.519
days. Right. But if you
do, lucky, very lucky. But

614
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:44.239
if you do run into this thing, there are some rules you should follow

615
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:50.559
to protect yourself. First and foremost, don't show fear of Zoso. Remember,

616
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.280
he feeds off of your fear.
The more you're afraid, the stronger

617
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:59.519
he becomes. If you run into
Zoso during a wigi board session, Stay

618
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:04.239
calm and immediately and firmly announce that
you want to end the wigi board session,

619
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:08.440
and then move the plan chet to
goodbye. This should effectively close the

620
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:15.559
session and sever ties with Zozo.
Once you properly end the session, wrap

621
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.800
the plant chet and the wiji board
separately in cloth and store them both away

622
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.440
separately if possible. If you have
to store them together, like in a

623
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.320
box, the cloth wrapping ensures the
plan chet and wuigiboard will not touch one

624
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.599
another, eliminating the possibility of accidentally
forming a new connection without you knowing about

625
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.119
it. Right. Some people even
go so far as to sprinkle holy water

626
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:45.719
or rose water over the board and
plant chet, or allowing burning sage smoke

627
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:50.800
to wash over the items before wrapping
and storing the board and the plant chet.

628
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.159
With this stuff, a little extra
precaution never hurts right. Once the

629
00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:00.199
board and the plant chet are properly
stored, you could cleanse the area where

630
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.519
where you were using the weedy board
where you made contact. Most people burn

631
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.599
sage to cleanse, but you could
lay sea salt down in the area and

632
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:13.400
leave it sit for a few days
too. Also reciting a prayer won't hurt,

633
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.000
and our father or hell Mary should
help with the cleansing. Once all

634
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:21.639
this is complete, leave the board
alone for a while, don't use it.

635
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.719
Rules aren't too specific about how long
you should leave it alone, but

636
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:30.840
the idea is look at that game
never. The idea is the longer the

637
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:37.639
board sits unused, the weaker any
lingering spiritual connections become until they're gone completely.

638
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.760
Now, if you feel the need
to totally totally get rid of your

639
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:45.760
Wiji board like Zozo freaked you out
so much that you absolutely do not want

640
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.440
that board in your home, one
thing you could do is give the board

641
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.239
away. Giving the board away is
supposed to immediately sever the connection you had

642
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:58.599
with the hostile spirit like Zozo,
and instead the spirit will become attached to

643
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.360
the board's new owner. Kind of
a dick move, but hey, better

644
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:07.039
you than me, Better you than
me. It's like a very anti Househarman

645
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:15.159
gift. Oh, that's awesome,
right. Others say that the Wuigi board

646
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.760
and chet and plantchet should be wrapped
separately in cloth, placed into a hole,

647
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.760
covered completely with sea salt, and
buried. But whatever you do,

648
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:30.199
do not burn, cut up,
or break up the board. Doing This

649
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.639
is supposed to immediately release the negative
spirit into the environment, and you don't

650
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:38.239
want that, especially with Zozo.
I've even heard that throwing the damn thing

651
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:43.239
into the ocean is a good way
to dispose of a wigi board. And

652
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.719
of course these are just some precautions
you can take properly using a wigi board.

653
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:51.119
Ending a session and disposing of a
wigi board, it's kind of like

654
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:55.599
building a house. There are many
different ways to do it. Right now,

655
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.440
before I close, there is something
that happened to me while I was

656
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:06.400
researching and scripting this episode. This
is the thing. It was just two

657
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:10.039
nights ago, around two am.
I had just found the Saint Bernardino Zoso

658
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:15.920
reference and I was totally absorbed in
the story as told in that month in

659
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.280
Catholic Review Volume twenty eight. I
mentioned a little earlier, right, I

660
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.679
was reading about Lucifer and demons and
the malignant churches and of course Zozo.

661
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.920
When all of a sudden, I
get an alert on my phone that movement

662
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.159
was detected in my garage. Now
again, it's two in the morning,

663
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.320
and inside my garage is pitch black. I have a blink camera mounted out

664
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.760
there in the garage and something triggered
that camera, and that was the message

665
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:46.079
I received on my phone. Right
sure enough, I checked the recording,

666
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:52.000
and there's this weird little orb that
appears out of nowhere. It kind of

667
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.480
starts out by the man door leading
into my house, just a few feet

668
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.559
from where I was sitting in my
office reading about Zozo actually, and it

669
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:05.960
moves kind of slowly right towards my
camera and then it disappears. Now,

670
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.119
I know what people are gonna say, orbs whatever. Probably a bug.

671
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:13.639
I could tell you. It was
in the thirties that night, a little

672
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.039
warmer in my garage, sure,
but it was still really cold in my

673
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:21.400
garage, and inside the garage was
pitch black. There's no way a bug

674
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.519
would be around. First of all, I haven't seen any bugs since mid

675
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:29.440
October yet, alone a bug large
enough to trip my camera in complete darkness.

676
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.880
People might say, well, maybe
it was a dust particle. I've

677
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.000
been involved in the paranormal for over
twenty years. I've taken thousands of photos

678
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.880
and countless hours of video. I
know what dust looks like, and this

679
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.679
wasn't a piece of dust. Now, I'll leave a link in the show

680
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:50.800
notes to this video you guys check
it out and tell us what you think.

681
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:55.360
Contact at Chicago ghostspodcast dot com.
I just found it ironic and a

682
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.159
little more than scary that this happened, considering the subject matter I was absorbed

683
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:07.039
in at that moment. Was Zozo
the one that tripped my camera? After

684
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.679
all, it's said that even thinking
about Zozo could draw us attention, and

685
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.880
that night I definitely had Zozo on
the mind. And who knows, maybe

686
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:21.800
I just cursed all of you by
bringing Zoso to your attention while repeating his

687
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.719
name over and over during this episode. I don't know, listeners, but

688
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:32.159
if that's the case, I'm sorry. Kind of reminds you of Lullaby there

689
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:38.320
at the end. How So,
remember the Chuck Palinook book The Lullaby.

690
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.159
If you think of the Lullaby,
or if you say it out loud or

691
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.599
you tell someone about it, they
die. Yes, Yes, I love

692
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.559
that. I love Chuck Pallinook.
He's one of my favorite authors. Yeah,

693
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.920
right, Hopefully I just didn't sentence
all you guys to some horrible treatment

694
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:59.679
by a demon. Yes, but
that's Zozo, man, I mean,

695
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:05.400
it's it's a wild story. What
did it for me was were the old

696
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.840
references to this guy. Yeah,
I know, I like that a lot.

697
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:15.400
I also like the connection a possible
connection. Yes, yes, uh

698
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:22.280
you know disease are there? You
know? Zozo short? It is amazingly

699
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.639
simplified a lot of those when you
go back to the root words or the

700
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:31.199
creation to certain words or or phrases
or languages, like it comes from such

701
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:36.239
a long time ago and you just
shortened things usually or it's whatever been passed

702
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.000
down or history like it gets like
it's like when you play a game of

703
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.559
I forget the name of it,
but it's weren't like in a group of

704
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.119
friends, you like, you tell
one person something and that person tells the

705
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:51.079
other person in their ear and it
sounds completely different. Yeah, we call

706
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:57.320
the mon the telephone game or the
game The Simpsons called it Purple Monkey dishwasher.

707
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.039
Sure, yes that way, Yeah
right, tabo game. I forgot

708
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.519
the name of it. It's like
that, you know, over the centuries

709
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.800
of languages evolving and evolving makes sense
to me? Why how I mean,

710
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.400
I'm just saying, I'm saying it's
true, but I'm saying, and may

711
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:15.159
it would make sense how bezuza could
be zoso? Yeah, it does.

712
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.400
Yeah. And if that's the case, then this thing is thousands of years

713
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:23.000
old, possibly maybe infinite. What's
kazo, you said, what is the

714
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:30.840
Mesopotamian Mesopotamian King of the wind Demons? The wind demons that's old, that

715
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:35.559
ship that's older than all current religions. Yeah, that's you're right. It's

716
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.639
a bull shit. It's scary,
man. Yeah. And then there are

717
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:45.840
stories that say, uh, the
boy who Reggie McNeil was based on in

718
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.360
the movie The Actress, is the
actual story that it was Zoso who got

719
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:55.159
him the Enfield poltergeist. Those those
young girls were playing with the Ouiji board

720
00:57:55.239 --> 00:58:00.519
when all hell fucking broke loose in
their house. I mean they say it

721
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.559
was in that case too. Maybe
he's the realtor or the travel agent for

722
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:10.280
all these other entities to find and
mad people, you know what I'm saying,

723
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:14.199
Like, oh, they called me, we have another winner a day.

724
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:16.800
Uh Satan, do you want No, I don't want this one.

725
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:20.400
Okay, let's go to the next
demon. Do you want this kid?

726
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:25.800
Yeah? Sure I'm not. You
know, like right, he's like the

727
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:32.440
the intermediary between all other beliefs,
you know, And maybe that's what Bernardina

728
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:37.480
was talking about when he said that
when you commune the Zozo mass, right,

729
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.079
the massive Zozo, you commune with
all demons. When you participate in

730
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.719
the mass of Zozo. Maybe that's
what he's doing. Man, I don't

731
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.599
know. It's a weird it's a
weird story because if you call fox,

732
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.480
if you go back far enough,
the origins to a lot of these things,

733
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:58.480
especially beliefs, come from one place, or from one group of people,

734
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.079
from one something. You know.
I'm not saying this is that.

735
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:06.039
I'm just saying that this could be
one of those original originators to a lot

736
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.000
of other things, right, it
could be one of the original sources.

737
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:13.039
I'm sure there's a further back version
that we don't know about, but this

738
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.880
is where the buck stops as far
as our knowledge. Yeah, it's kind

739
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.800
of fun to think about. Not
that hopefully it's not real. I mean,

740
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.960
hopefully it's real in a cool set, in a cool way, but

741
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.039
hopefully it's not real in the sense
that I don't. I don't want people

742
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:25.400
possessed and fucked up. I don't. I definitely don't want you to curse

743
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:30.559
me or give me something by mentioning
his name to me. But it sounds

744
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:38.039
cool. Yeah, yeah, it's
or how with the diction ar Inferno where

745
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:42.519
one of the deals, so it
was Zozo and then it was also mimi

746
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:47.960
sometimes translated to mama, m A
m A. Today people say Zozo is

747
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.880
represented on the Ouiji board by m
A m A m A m mama,

748
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.639
mama, mama. So there's a
connection there too in a way. Yes,

749
00:59:54.880 --> 01:00:00.320
that's besides specifically calling in that story, right, and and how many

750
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:05.000
people thought they were just talking about
someone the mom right right, my mom

751
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.760
mom? Way, how did we
noticed that? I'm did I call my

752
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:13.920
mom mama? That's crazy in reality? Though in reality, right, they're

753
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:19.480
saying crazy, it's crazy, so
weird the only so, I guess I

754
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:22.199
should mention it because we kind of
talked about it during the middle of the

755
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:28.920
script. There Zo so z O
s oh, so if you researched Zoo,

756
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:37.920
there's this whole theory that led Zeppelin
and Zozo are uh huh connected.

757
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.800
Okay, if you look at if
you look at the cover of led Zeppelin

758
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:47.599
four, that album technically doesn't have
a name. It's just referred to as

759
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:52.239
led Zeppelin four. I think they
just he just named it. Yeah,

760
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:59.199
but I guess. Technically the title
of the album is just a series of

761
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:06.760
symbols for each member of led Zeppelin, and Jimmy Page's symbol is this arcane

762
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:08.280
and maybe I should put a picture
of this in the show notes. I

763
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:15.079
gotta make a mental note to do
that. Jimmy Page's symbol is this arcane

764
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:22.360
design that spells out zoso, z
O s o. Zoso became zozo,

765
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.519
Zozo became Zoso. Okay, so
people are like, oh my god,

766
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.000
led Zeppelin and Zoso, that's the
same thing, and they started this and

767
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:37.039
blah blah blah. What it is
is Jimmy Page is his astrological sign.

768
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:42.320
His son sign is Capricorn, and
Capricorn is ruled by the planet by the

769
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:47.320
planet Saturn. So Jimmy Page wanted
to put some cool logo together to represent

770
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:52.199
himself. You know, all the
members of led Zeppelin did that for led

771
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:53.559
Zeppelin for his cover. You could
go take a look at it. I'll

772
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:54.920
put it in the show notes.
Fuck it, I'll put it in the

773
01:01:54.920 --> 01:02:01.239
show Okay. So technically it doesn't
even spell out zoso, or it's not

774
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:07.039
supposed to spell out zoso. When
you take the sigil, a sigil for

775
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:15.440
Capricorn and Saturn, and you put
them together, it looks like Zoso,

776
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:20.239
but it's technically two separate sigils.
He just swushed them together because it looked

777
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:22.800
cool, right, It's just accidental, accidental, and then suddenly it became

778
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.559
Zoso and vice versa. But so
it's not true. They don't they're not

779
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.679
Zozo, they don't worship Zoso.
No connection there. It's their way to

780
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:35.679
happen, guys, not highway to
Hell. Dude. I almost feel we

781
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:39.559
should end on that. That was
sweet like that I did, so I

782
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:43.000
got to make a note put in
now if you told me A C D

783
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:46.159
C had ah, and then I'll
be like, okay, that's something you

784
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:54.199
know now I believe now those fuckers
then those beliefs. Yeah, so that's

785
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:57.840
all. That's all I got really, But yeah, that's cool. Did

786
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.639
you enjoy this I did? That's
fun. Yeah. I like that stuff.

787
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:05.480
I like the history stuff. Yeah, absolutely again, listeners, check

788
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.280
the show notes. My my Strange
video will be in there. I'll put

789
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:12.920
the led Zeppelin four cover in there
so you can see Jimmy Page's symbol.

790
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:15.840
Uh, and don't forget we are
going monthly, so we will see you

791
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:22.480
in December for Patreon members. We'll
see you this month as well, though,

792
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.400
Thank you. Oscar. Yeah,
Oscar, please hobble us home,

793
01:03:27.760 --> 01:04:19.679
hobble away. I saw a movie
yesterday that really knocked my socks off.

794
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:25.199
It was just so much fun.
I saw a movie called I Know Who

795
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.679
Killed Me? Have you heard of
that? I Know Who Killed Me?

796
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.559
I think I've heard of it.
You might have heard of it. Yeah,

797
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.199
I know I heard of it,
But last I heard of it was

798
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:34.119
the year it came out, which
is like two thousand and six. I

799
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:43.679
think it was during the Lindsay Lohan
was a Lindzada movie that was like completely

800
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.400
bombed that. It made no money. It made like a million dollars or

801
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.320
something, not even you know,
but I remember that. I remember the

802
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.000
post or things like that, like
from back then Killed Me? Okay,

803
01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:54.599
and I saw it. I rented
it and I saw it because I you

804
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:58.320
know, I heard a podcast talking
positively about it, and I was like,

805
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.760
Okay, I'll check it out.
I never never se it, missed

806
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.119
it that year and didn't care whatever. No one ever talks about it.

807
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:09.400
It had has a three percent on
Ryan Tomatoes. Holy shit, three percent.

808
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:13.559
Yeah, So I saw it,
thinking like maybe it's not three percent.

809
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:16.079
I think what movie really is not
many? And like I can't be

810
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:20.400
that bad for four stars. It's
amazing. It's so really, I know

811
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:26.599
it is fantastic. It is fantastic
much. It has so much style it

812
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:29.599
be hard for you to find it
though. I couldn't even pirated. I

813
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:33.440
couldn't do anything yet. Wow,
I had to rent the writings. I

814
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:39.920
know who killed me doing anything because
it's not streaming anywhere, and I wonder

815
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.280
if it's just people who because like
everyone hates Lindsay Lahan, right, like

816
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:45.880
yeah, that was that was the
year. That was roughly the year they

817
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:48.920
started really hating her. And it's
probably why it's got a little riding.

818
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.800
Yeah that's what. That's what.
That's what the podcasts were talking about,

819
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:55.000
like, yeah, that movie got
a bad rap and they were talking so

820
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.960
positively about the movies by positive review
and I was like, Okay, I'm

821
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.679
gonna watch it. And I finally
did yesterday, and I'm like, I

822
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.480
was so I wasn't just surprised that
it wasn't bad, but then it was

823
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.920
that good, Like it was so
much fun to watch. It's not like

824
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:11.559
I mean, it's not like super
serious, like Signs of the Lambs horror

825
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.760
serious, but it's like more like
it follows good, you know, like

826
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:16.800
it's like fun. It's cool premise. I mean, you don't see that

827
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:20.599
often anymore, that kind of premise, even back then. And I'm not

828
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:24.199
gonna ruin anything there. And she's
pretty solid in the fucking role, and

829
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:28.679
the Syraculler's fucking crazy and kind of
unique. Yeah. Good stuff, Yeah,

830
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:32.559
some good stuff. Yeah. So
I saw that and I saw something

831
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:38.679
for the first time. I saw
all three Black Christmases. How are they?

832
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:41.840
They're all good in different ways,
except for the last one. I

833
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.840
didn't like the last one, the
last one meaning from twenty nineteen, and

834
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:49.000
they're all remixed. They're all remixed. None of the more sequels, you

835
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.679
know, Oh I see, Yeah, they're all we made. The first

836
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:55.480
one's from seventy four. And that
was a fun movie. That was a

837
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:58.760
fun weird movie. Really, yeah, it was a fun, little weird

838
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.320
movie. A lot of pel v
of a of a faceless of the faces

839
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:05.679
serial killer talking to himself, which
is kind of creepy and fun, and

840
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:12.159
a lot of different types of cooky
characters. But my favorite one is from

841
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:15.320
the two thousand and four or whatever, and that movie is so much fun,

842
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.559
a lot of eye horror. I
feel like eyeball horror. It's just

843
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:24.760
like fifty eyeballs fucking dying in that
movie. So much fun. That one

844
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:26.599
starts off right away. That was
the most fun one I had. It

845
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:30.000
was just like right away action packed
horror, like fucking crazy death, death,

846
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:32.920
death, death, that's death.
That's that's so much fun. I

847
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:38.239
like that movie too, And that
movie also get bombed, so so yeah,

848
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:41.320
watching a lot of that shit.
Yeah, I haven't watched any horror

849
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:45.920
lately, but we we started watching
Dune. Oh man, man, it's

850
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.280
really good so far, right,
Like I really like, I don't know

851
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:51.679
shit about any of it, but
me either, I didn't know much.

852
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:56.039
But I saw the original, the
David Lynch movie, but I never read

853
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.000
the book. I see. Yeah, it mean we didn't finish because it's

854
01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:01.039
like fucking three hours. We're watching
it with the kids, so like fifty

855
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.960
yeah. Yeah, so we pause
it maybe with an hour and something left.

856
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.119
But that was really good so far, and then I'm glad you like

857
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:13.920
it. Jason Mamoulo is so good
in that he's such a Yeah, he's

858
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.760
good he's good. I don't know
what happens to him. He's still running

859
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.479
around saying people. I'm saying he's
he's in the first half of the movie

860
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:23.680
you saw. So he's very characterstic, he's very cool. Nice. Yeah.

861
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:27.600
That And then we watched a movie
called I think it's called Ida Red

862
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:33.439
Aida like the name Ida. Yeah, it's like with Josh Hartnett. Is

863
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:38.279
it new or is it it's new? I know he's trying to come back.

864
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:45.680
Yeah, Josh Hartnett and William forsythe
isn't it? It was really good.

865
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:49.159
Yeah, I'm just here. Oh
he's like in prison or something.

866
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.079
Maybe. I don't know. No, I just saw like a quick thing

867
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:58.199
and I see him with a the
conjugal visit with a follow in his hand.

868
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:02.039
I don't know. Hed a red
walker me not survive her terminal illness,

869
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:06.279
incarcerated for robery. There you go. She turns to also is a

870
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:10.199
guy who there's a girl who is
there. She turns to his son Wiet

871
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:13.119
for one last job. And oh, that's sounds cool. It was,

872
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.119
It was good. It was a
good, good movie. Oh, Frank

873
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:18.800
Grillo, isn't it that's the other
one. Frank Grillo yeah, everywhere.

874
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:25.239
Now he's been everywhere for a while. Actually, I'm looking at the director.

875
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:29.960
I haven't seen any of his other
movies. He looks like a he

876
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:34.800
looks like he owns a you can
see his face, it's all his face

877
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:39.800
is like all white. Oh sorry, he just looks like he's like a

878
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:44.760
bartender and a bistro. So it's
like an action movie. Is it cool?

879
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:46.159
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it
was cool. Well, just where

880
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:49.039
did you see it? Where is
it that? We rented it on Amazon?

881
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:54.479
Part? Oh you rented it like
money but money? Yeah, yeah,

882
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:58.439
I saw that Edgar Wright's latest movie, which one is it? Last

883
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:04.199
night and saw how oh oh yeah
that was good. I liked it.

884
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:08.960
I very like that. I like
that. We just reviewed it. Actually

885
01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:14.359
it's coming out on Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, we review it. We

886
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.079
both liked it. And uh so, man, it's a it's a trippy

887
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:20.960
movie. It looks like it.
It looks like it. It's uh,

888
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.439
it's not time to tell, but
it almost is. You know, it's

889
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:27.840
not a revenge movie, but it
almost is. It feels like one,

890
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.079
but it's much more about this girl
in her particular abilities to see the past.

891
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.279
And it's really weird and not expect
that any of that at all,

892
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:40.199
doesn't She kind of bounce back between
press. Yeah, Katie and Talia went

893
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:42.840
to see it. They said it
was good. Yeah, oh good.

894
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:46.399
Katie took Talia to see it.
Mm hmm. I'm surprised, pretty bloody

895
01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:51.880
is She seemed pretty much all all
it already. I mean, it'll teach

896
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:55.680
you a lot about, you know, staying away from guys. I'll tell

897
01:10:55.720 --> 01:11:00.920
you that that might benefit a lot
of like it's not like has anti man

898
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.680
energy, but like it has a
lot of like, uh, you know,

899
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.439
careful out there in the streets,
bro kind of energy, Like I

900
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:11.319
don't just trust anyone. I want
to check it out. They wanted a

901
01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:14.319
mommy and daughter date, so she's
Katie's like, do you mind if I

902
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:15.199
take her to see it without you? Like, no, go ahead,

903
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.840
You'd be like, I mind,
but I'll catch the next one. That's

904
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:24.880
right. Just bring me home some
movie popcorn? Did they? Yeah?

905
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:28.720
The only oh they did the big
bag. They so they so they buy

906
01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:31.960
it after right after the movie,
Yeah, on the way out, because

907
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:34.840
I'm used to so I'm I'm so
used to going on the late showing.

908
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:40.319
So everything's closed, oh after you
know, so I would never, like,

909
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.479
if you had ever asked me,
I could never buy it. I'd

910
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.600
have to buy it as I'm like
before I watched the movie, and I

911
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.880
don't know how much of it will
last. Right, it was supposed to

912
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:56.319
be a five pound bag. Yeah, no, it's not five pounds,

913
01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:00.439
but I mean it's not. It
feels like it is. I don't buy

914
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:01.840
them believe it looks like it.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't

915
01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:05.760
know how much it is. But
I literally brought my own chocolates to my

916
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:11.479
to the to the theater for that
movie. I never buy anything there.

917
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:17.039
I rarely do. What else?
Oh my god? You like this one?

918
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:21.239
I was I met not met someone
because I haven't met met her yet

919
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.640
or or at all, honestly.
Uh, there's this girl on tender that

920
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.760
we started chatting and she's roughly looked
a little younger than me, in like

921
01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:34.399
thirty four and pretty cute, not
like smoking hot, which is which which

922
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:40.319
I wouldn't believe honestly, So thank
god she looks normal and I just want

923
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:42.239
to trust someone that's super hargh,
like, why are you talking to me

924
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:48.319
some gym rat or stop you know
editing your pictures? And we started talking

925
01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:50.920
and they were like, O can
we talk on Instagram? Instagram? Is

926
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:58.840
it's either Instagram or another one.
I forgot the other one, Snapchat,

927
01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:01.920
snapchatre. There are different red flags
depend on where they ask you to because

928
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.479
you always start talking at the Tinder
wrap. But no one wants to stay

929
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:08.840
on there and talk. No one
wants to hook up or get to know

930
01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:13.199
someone there. Nothing. I mean
unless they're like weird or yes, but

931
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.680
no one stays on there. It
always starts like oh, you know,

932
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:17.560
with the initial stuff and they're like, oh can you can we talk over

933
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:21.479
here? And stead I'm like okay. So if it's there are different right

934
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:28.680
red flags. If it's if it's
a WhatsApp type or kick red flag,

935
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:33.600
the red flag there is in my
in my experience is that it is like

936
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:40.119
a fake account or someone that's cat
fishing. Probably do it in Thailand asking

937
01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:46.199
for money. That's what that probably
is. If it's Snapchat, they're hookers,

938
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:50.520
but they're trying to They're probably not
in your area. They're probably from

939
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:57.640
California and they're trying to sell their
pictures, oh their premium account or whatever.

940
01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:00.840
You know. If if it's Instagram, Instagram is a little better.

941
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:03.640
They still can't do all that stuff. It could still be fake, It

942
01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:06.359
could still be all this stuff.
But most likely what it is is that

943
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:11.359
the bad version, the red flag
for Instagram is that they just want followers

944
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.279
on Instagram. Oh, I see, you know, it's weird. It's

945
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:19.399
a weird ecosystem. It's not it's
not eco. It's not enough to consider

946
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:24.159
it an ecosystem. But if you
call it that, sure. So I

947
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:27.239
went on there, you know,
obviously didn't worry, and we started talking.

948
01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:30.159
We talked for like, uh an
evening or two like it wasn't like

949
01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:34.880
straight, but it wasn't, you
know, And until she said to me,

950
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:45.359
like she mentioned her fucking model cam
account. Uh oh, Like I'm

951
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:50.680
not right immediately, but I saw, I mean because at that point I

952
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:54.920
was already like following her on Instagram, so like I was seeing her.

953
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:59.159
She didn't look like he looked like
a regular person. Honestly, she looked

954
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.239
like a regular girl, like a
single girl. She didn't look like she

955
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:03.720
had a family anything. For sure. She definitely looked she lived alone,

956
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:09.399
but she it didn't seem like fishing
for anything or trying to charge something.

957
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:13.239
None of it was that kind of
no, no tags to regard that.

958
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.319
No. No, Like I'm an
accountant, which is a secret for a

959
01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:19.880
whore or a cook. I was
trying to sell something. All that accountant

960
01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:24.640
means that if you see accountants anywhere, like I'm an accountant, they're not

961
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:29.159
an accountant like a real accountant.
They're like that means they charged for their

962
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:33.800
body or whatever. Yeah, I
got fool for that for one second.

963
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.279
I won account The first time I
read that, I was like, what

964
01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.960
does that have to do with it? I don't give a ship. And

965
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.560
then I looked it up. I'm
like, oh, okay, well shit,

966
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:48.520
okay, cool skip. So she
dropped that knowledge, right, She's

967
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.800
like, oh, yeah, it
costs this much obviously, and like it's

968
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.920
a private thing, and you know
that's the only way I can meet people

969
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:58.399
if they're verified through here. I'm
like, I'm not gonna do it.

970
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:00.760
I'm not gonna pay full out seeing
you first. Good, Like, that

971
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.600
doesn't make sense to me. I
would never do that. But at the

972
01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:06.560
same time, though, I guess
we were having a pleasant enough chat where

973
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:09.600
she's like, we can still talk. I don't. I don't care until

974
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.119
you want to decide whether or not
you want to ever do it, But

975
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:14.039
I like talking to yourself. We
can still talk. I'm like, that's

976
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:15.399
weird, but okay, I don't
care what shit I'm up at night.

977
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:19.439
So we still talk every once in
a while, not really often, like

978
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:23.960
not yesterday, not today, but
the day before. I did. Wow,

979
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:29.520
that's interesting, and just just chatting. She's clearly alone here. She

980
01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:30.720
talks. She talks about her family
a little bit here and there, like

981
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:32.960
they lives somewhere else my mother state. I'm like, what are you doing

982
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:36.199
over here? Then? Is she
in Chicago? Yeah, she's in a

983
01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:42.079
a suburb I remember anymore? Sorry, she told me. I just remember,

984
01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:46.720
huh yeah, in the South.
And I overall don't trust anyone from

985
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:51.039
Lombard. No Lombard, No Lombard
is A is A. I mean,

986
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:55.399
what do you know of Lombard?
To me, everything that everything about Lombard

987
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:59.760
looks like it's successful. I don't
know anything. You used to live by

988
01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:02.199
lot Allle and Lombard are like not
exactly brothers, but they're like nearby,

989
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:06.279
right are they? I don't I
don't know. Could be. I feel

990
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:10.079
like to get to the city,
you would pass by Lombard. I don't

991
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.359
know. I don't know if I've
ever been there or known anyone who've been

992
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:16.279
there or from there, anyone that
says that it from Lombard, most likely

993
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:23.039
they are strippers or something. For
the fucking god sort of fucking nine times

994
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:26.439
out of ten, my dude,
they're trying to do something or get away

995
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:29.720
with something like Jesus, shut up, get away from me. I'm like,

996
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:31.159
I'm pretty, I'm lonely, but
I'm not that lonely. I'm gonna

997
01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:40.279
go home. I'm gonna now.
I don't know why with Lombard sometimes Joliet,

998
01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:45.439
but not so much. That's wild. I'm so glad I'm not dating

999
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:50.640
in this new world. I wouldn't
be able to handle it. Yep,

1000
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:59.119
yep. Hopefully I could be one
Take Jay and you know, put in

1001
01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:01.520
an intro and an out Who is
that? All I've known is ten Take

1002
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:05.119
Jay and lately. I hope I'm
not going to be like that tonight.

1003
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:13.520
I'm sure it's fun. The Supernatural
Current Studies podcast is going monthly, going

1004
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:17.199
forward for the foreseeable future. For
seeable future, let's start a word.

1005
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:25.439
Wait what happened to one? Take
one? Take j Ye Okay five four

1006
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:31.199
three two, Oh that hurt to
actually say that we're going monthly. Yeah,

1007
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:38.680
I can see that. I was
no joke. I was a fucking

1008
01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:44.399
wreck over this today. No,
I I imagine that you were. I

1009
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:45.760
don't have to You don't ever have
to tell me that you are to know

1010
01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:53.640
for a fact, you know.
And last night I kind of I pretty

1011
01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:59.800
much finished around like one ish,
one thirty. Maybe, Yeah, I

1012
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:02.960
end up adding more today, So
I'm glad I waited, but I contemplated,

1013
01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:05.800
like, do I contact do we
just do this now? But you

1014
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:09.600
said you were having a rough day
at work, you wanted to kill everybody.

1015
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.199
I never heard from you, so
I just I didn't want to bother

1016
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:15.640
you. But I didn't know you
were waiting for my for me to say

1017
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:20.239
something back, because I would have
responded. I just didn't know for sure

1018
01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:24.520
how I'll went for you. No, I think your last message was I'll

1019
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.479
let you know. I was like, oh, what time do you want

1020
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:29.439
to record? Like, I'll let
you know? Work is crazy, I

1021
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:32.159
want to kill everybody. I thought
I have responded to that. I guess

1022
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:36.079
I don't think so unless I missed. It's it's possible that's my fault.

1023
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:39.880
I have a really bad text.
It's okay, but I just when you

1024
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.199
were said you wanted to kill everybody, I'm like, yeah, I'll just

1025
01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:44.800
leave him alone tonight. Yeah,
no, I murdered a few people.

1026
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:50.600
Stress believer. What you got there, my friend, I'm taking the last

1027
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:56.680
of my peanut butter meat. Oh
sad empty. I would kill for some

1028
01:19:56.680 --> 01:19:59.840
peanut butter meat right now. You
don't have any. I think I have

1029
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.960
Viking, but I can't drink anyway
because I'm gonna be talking. So that's

1030
01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:11.279
sorry. Oh but you drank and
talked before, You're right, I'll be

1031
01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:18.079
back. Wow, that took nothing
your horrible influence Oscar, right, because

1032
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:23.079
I've had it and it was terrible. Oh have you ever I mean off

1033
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:30.560
you know left field Katie is have
you seen the latest Paranormal Activity and know

1034
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:32.840
they made a new one? Yes? Yes I did. Sorry, next,

1035
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:38.000
I didn't know they made a new
one until like recently. That's right.

1036
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.880
I did watch that movie and we
we liked it. Over it's like

1037
01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:46.079
the best made because you mean,
because of right holiday like the money,

1038
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:49.319
right, the money was there they
had cool. I mean they're all very

1039
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:54.000
low a bunch of movies anyway,
so they're meant to be Yeah, This

1040
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:58.039
was definitely I think the best produced
or film made. Whatever. Does it

1041
01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.000
have anything to do with the paranormal
activity world, I don't fucking get it.

1042
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:04.520
If it does, I think that's
someone who even remembers the plot anymore,

1043
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:08.600
right, like really though, I
mean, I'm like, I can't

1044
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.079
remember for the life and I was
into those movies as much as you were,

1045
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.239
I think back then, right,
Yeah, there were a year were

1046
01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:16.039
huge movies. The first one,
the first two three. I saw the

1047
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:18.800
first three in theaters, and after
I stopped watching them in theaters and I

1048
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:23.000
would to watch them here and there. But there's been like four others.

1049
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.960
I'm like, I messed like two
or three of them because I know I've

1050
01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:29.560
seen, Like I saw the Mexican
Family one. That's the last one I

1051
01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:31.119
saw. That's the last one I
saw. I think there's another one in

1052
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:34.479
between the latest one and that one. I think there is, yes,

1053
01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:39.039
yeah, And I don't know if
they even follow any plot anymore. I

1054
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:41.960
don't think so. I think someone
paid a lot of money for the name

1055
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:44.159
and they're like, guys, we
gotta do something with this name. Let's

1056
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.640
get a movie out there. Yeah, you know, it's it's pretty easy

1057
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:50.560
to think of something relating to the
carav first three or two or whatever you

1058
01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:56.319
would think you would you has nothing
to do with that storyline at all,

1059
01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.640
nothing, nothing at all. Yeah, because I like watching, you know,

1060
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:03.079
like what series, especially like dumb
series to just do background watch.

1061
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:09.359
And I've seen I mean in recent
in the last four years, I've seen

1062
01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:11.880
the Freddy Krugers, I've seen the
Jason's, I've seen the Halloweens, I've

1063
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:14.560
seen the Health Raisers. I've seen
the seen a lot of them already.

1064
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:16.840
And I don't want to go to
a Leprechaun, so I want to go

1065
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.239
to I'd rather go to maybe Paranormal
Activity might be a fun one. I

1066
01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:25.399
saw the Finals Estimations, which are
a lot of fun. Do the Chuckies

1067
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:30.479
and then the Chuck TV series.
It's not it's not too bad. Oh

1068
01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:34.600
it's not? Is it? Is
it? Al Raady? I mean it's

1069
01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:39.520
on I don't know if it's FX
or it's on one of those channels.

1070
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:44.920
Oh do you hear about Why the
Last Man? Mm? Hm? Did

1071
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:47.399
you hear about a show called Why
the Last Man? No? No,

1072
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.600
have you heard of Why the Last
Man? Has a property? Oh?

1073
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:55.359
Okay, Well then maybe you won't
get the hype. But uh, there's

1074
01:22:55.560 --> 01:23:00.640
awesome, super great comic book series
American comic series called Why the Last Man?

1075
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:04.239
Why the Letter? Why not?
Like why is this? Uh?

1076
01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:10.000
Why the Last Man is a it's
a post apocalyptic not really, I guess.

1077
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:15.520
It is uh thing where like everyone
with a Y chromosome for some reason

1078
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:23.000
dies, So every man on Earth
dies, every single man, including chimpanzees,

1079
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:28.840
all male champs, things like that, like any why chromosome organism gets

1080
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:32.159
killed for some reason. So only
the woman, right, that's over and

1081
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:38.840
except for one person, one immune
man, Why the Last Man? And

1082
01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:42.680
it's about you know, his exploits
living in this now newly day one,

1083
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:46.600
a post apocalyptic world scenario, and
it's a very cool concept. I never

1084
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:49.720
finished. It's a done it's a
done comic book. It made a lot

1085
01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:53.199
of issues, but it's done.
It's like Walking Dead. It's not not

1086
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:55.159
as long as Walking Dead. It's
like half of that, I guess,

1087
01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:59.159
but it's still pretty long. And
but it's done. And I read of

1088
01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:01.199
it. I read like the first
four volumes and ship it was amazing.

1089
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:06.680
And they made a show on either
FX or I think it's effects. It

1090
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:11.600
is okay. And her great things
about it. He was made so well

1091
01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:14.720
it kind of has a different take
on it and all this stuff, and

1092
01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:16.520
like, really it sounds better.
And then they got canceled right away because

1093
01:24:17.439 --> 01:24:24.319
because it's too much of a reminder
of pandemic. Are you serious? Well

1094
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:27.920
that's well no, they didn't say
it like that, but no one was

1095
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:31.520
really watching this awesome show because it
was too much like the heart, the

1096
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:36.880
harrowing nature of I mean, it's
bad timing basically, Damn that sucks,

1097
01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.560
all right, so I won't even
start it then, I mean, yeah,

1098
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:44.960
well you mean because it doesn't end
right. Yeah, I still want

1099
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.760
to see it though, but it
does suck though. Wow, Yeah,

1100
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.520
I didn't see I didn't get to
see one episode either, because it's on

1101
01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:56.439
Hulu, right who effects on Hulu? But I need to once I get

1102
01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.199
a little more money, when I'm
more secure about it, I'll get my

1103
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.680
own Hula account with commercials, because
I can't deal with commercials. I haven't

1104
01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:08.399
watched so many shows in movies because
I was your shows because of that for

1105
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:12.000
that reason only. Yeah. Yeah, it's just so annoying. I find

1106
01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:15.520
it so unbearably annoying. I'm like, how did I deal with this day

1107
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:16.840
and day out. In the nineties
and the early two thoughts, I don't

1108
01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:19.199
know how I dealt with that.
We gives we had to, I guess,

1109
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:25.439
but sometimes nice I would like to
make sure that I want to see

1110
01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:29.119
that, make sure that podcasting is
still kind of fun for you, so

1111
01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:31.600
it is well, you know,
I don't want to see I mean right

1112
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:34.880
now, it's I mean not that
podcasting is fun. I mean the research

1113
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:38.600
is, but you're worried about the
time for it. I get it.

1114
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.479
But still it's part of the same
thing. Without one, there is no

1115
01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:45.119
other. Maybe now that we have
maybe a little more time, not to

1116
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.600
say that we should take advantage of
crazy. Maybe once in a while we

1117
01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:50.319
could still do some movie reviews,
because that requires just nothing but watching a

1118
01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:55.159
movie, and you watch this week. Maybe we could do that more a

1119
01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:58.119
little more, right, not for
the show, maybe for my show,

1120
01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.479
but just for the fun of it. You know, it could be for

1121
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:02.079
your show, and it could be
a bonus release for Patriot. I'm saying.

1122
01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:04.600
I'm not saying we don't have to
not married to it, but every

1123
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:08.760
once, you know, or or
semi whatever, we still do some of

1124
01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:14.359
that too. I'm totally down for
it that watch parties. You know,

1125
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:16.760
maybe I can finally join you on
Twitch. You know, stuff like that.

1126
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:23.680
I'm all down for. It's just
the endless hours of research. Mhm's.

1127
01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:27.760
It just it got to me.
Man, it's not totally so I'm

1128
01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:29.600
into it so far. I didn't
think I was gonna like it. Man,

1129
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:38.880
Yeah, but I was hooked right
away. Javier depart dem Yavier being

1130
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:42.560
why you gave him extra letter?
I don't know that's funny. I think

1131
01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:48.239
you think there you go nice.
But his character was great for you know,

1132
01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:50.840
five minutes you saw the five minutes
you see him, man, yeah,

1133
01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:55.920
you know he's you see him again
later on Cool. But he's like

1134
01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:59.520
he spits on the floor and everyone's
like, motherfucker right, and he's like,

1135
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:02.520
oh no, he's exchanging. That's
a big deal in the moisture right

1136
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:06.359
right. But he's like, that's
quinde of Cool. I'm done talking though,

1137
01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:11.159
I have nothing or whatever you said. Yeah, it was hilarious,

1138
01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:14.399
it was great, It was good. Yes, yeah, let me know

1139
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.319
when you finish it, and well
we'll set up some time if you want

1140
01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.399
some evening when you're not when it's
all cool and show you have to do

1141
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:23.640
too much, and maybe we'll do
something. We'll bang something out. It

1142
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:28.279
would be cool man for sure.
Yeah, yeah, thank you for getting

1143
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:32.279
together with me this last minute like
this. Yeah, yesterday recorded, We're

1144
01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:36.520
off tomorrow. I'm gonna finish recording
with him. Okay, oh you guys

1145
01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:40.079
do it in two settings usually.
No, we were gonna do it yes,

1146
01:27:40.239 --> 01:27:43.239
so we were gonna do it all
yesterday. But he couldn't see the

1147
01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:46.560
last duel until today. M hm
okay, well yeah he had. We

1148
01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:50.560
had to wait on. Have you
seen the what is the Gambler? The

1149
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:55.560
car Counter? Have you seen it? Man? I know you well,

1150
01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:59.279
yeah, the car Counter? Was
it good? I saw yesterday? Funny

1151
01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:01.520
enough you mentioned that I saw it
yesterday. Really did you enjoy it?

1152
01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:04.600
I did enjoy it. But it's
not at all like, it's not at

1153
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:11.359
all about gambling. Not to say
that there isn't card playing or chard counting.

1154
01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:14.880
There is that, but it is
by far. It's not like,

1155
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:19.159
it's not the Hustler of card counting. It's not the it's not the I'm

1156
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:24.399
trying to think of a good poker
movie. It's not Rounders like that movie.

1157
01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:27.279
I know you like that movie.
It's not those kind of movies,

1158
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:29.319
you know. I mean, it's
in it, it's a part of it,

1159
01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:31.199
for sure, but it's a beat
plot compared to like what's going on

1160
01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:35.399
for sure. The main character is
it's I mean, if anything we took

1161
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.359
we did, we talked about kind
of what it's about a little bit in

1162
01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:43.159
one of our shows. It's about
Oscar as the places. Obviously his card

1163
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:47.279
counter who in prison taught himself hot
our card count count cards, sorry,

1164
01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:50.239
and and do kind of tricks with
it, I guess, not magician style,

1165
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:54.479
but like just know the cards,
you know. And he meets his

1166
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:59.960
boy, or this boy meets Timily
in this police expo where he's know whatever

1167
01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:03.760
for some casino, and they get
like, it's not about them too.

1168
01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:05.920
It is about them too, but
it isn't like a friendship. It isn't

1169
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.319
like, oh my god, is
he gonna stay. No, it's it's

1170
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:13.239
like it's no more serious, not
no more complicated. But you find out

1171
01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:16.880
that the history of this guy,
this Carho Oscar Isaac, is that he

1172
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:23.439
used to be he went to prison
because he was a soldier in the early

1173
01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:29.119
two thousands in the uh in the
war against Iraq and Afghanistan and all that,

1174
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:34.439
and he was one of the soldiers
that was photographed torturing people in about

1175
01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:39.680
Gray prison. Oh no way,
yeah, And we just talked about Abu

1176
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:50.039
Gray with the with the uh abutbar, and so erandomed me of that,

1177
01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:55.760
and they show them some some graphic
stuff for sure about his like like flashback

1178
01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:58.760
to that. I mean that came
out of nowhere. I mean Jesus Christ,

1179
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:00.520
Yeah, for sure. Like when
it him up, I like,

1180
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:02.199
what is this? What am I
watching? I'm like oh, And then

1181
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.399
I put it together, I'm like, holy shit, he wasn't part of

1182
01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:09.199
that, yeah, Like and that
everyone who got photographed went to prison to

1183
01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:13.239
show face, to say face for
all the higher ups. But obviously anyone

1184
01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:17.560
who wasn't photographed but still responsible did
not go to prison. And I guess

1185
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:20.960
that's the that's where it gets like, oh, okay, the story is

1186
01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:25.800
about this now, so it has
been about that. It's not a true

1187
01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.199
story, right, this is no. I don't think so. Maybe it

1188
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:30.640
is and in parts, but it's
all fiction as far as I'm Yeah,

1189
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:33.359
the guy who wrote it did,
uh you know the right And the only

1190
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:36.159
reason that starts because the writer director, I forget his name though, which

1191
01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:43.600
I shouldn't forget. He wrote some
pretty prominent filmmaking books, like books about

1192
01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:47.199
film and critiquing or the Eye of
Film or making movies. That's like you

1193
01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:50.760
teach it in class kind of show. Like a pretty prominent guy. And

1194
01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:58.720
he famously wrote Taxi Driver, Oh
shit, he wrote Taxi Driver. That's

1195
01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:02.399
the writer of Taxi Driver. Oh
wow. And and also other scorsesey stuff

1196
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:04.279
he co wrote with them, a
little bit of this, a little bit

1197
01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:09.760
of that. But yeah, he's
famous for that and for me for making

1198
01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:13.239
my top ten movies of the decade. A few years ago, he did

1199
01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:17.760
a movie called with Ethan Hawk where
he plays a priest. First Reformed,

1200
01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:23.439
Oh he did that movie. I
love that movie. That movie. Oh

1201
01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:27.640
it almost scares me. How insane
that movie goes. First Reform written it

1202
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:30.079
down, Huscar. But it's not
horrible. It's it's just a drama.

1203
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.079
It's such a good drama. Man, that ending. I beg you not

1204
01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:39.319
to like. Oh, do this
immediately. Okay. First Reformed? Okay,

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so I know who killed me?
And First Reformed? Oh yes,

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that's two very opposite movies. But
yes, watch them. Well I've been

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the better that's okay. They're not. They don't. They definitely have diminished.

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But it's the cable that's sucking me
up. Like I have to keep

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an eye on it. It'll just
stop working, it will just stop charging.

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I'm like, fuck you, I
woke up, I charged it overnight,

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right when I go to bed,
I wake up and it's even halfway

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through. I'm like to go to
work. Then you know, yeah,

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your your day is not going to
be a good day, right, I

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know the first one you said,
brother, first world pros. All right?

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Sorry, now are you ready for
real? Yeah? Yeah, let

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me get another hit in a drink
water. Then you're not ready.