WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:30.480 Mmm, Hello, it is Tuesday, February the Seconds, twenty sixteen. 2 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:34.280 It is the Giant Bomb Cast. It is Brad Shoemaker. It is Jeff 3 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.759 Kursman, it is it is Dan Reicher. Hello, it is Jason A 4 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.880 Striker. I think everything's recording, Yeah, I think so. This is 5 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:46.320 week two in the new studio. Yeah. Yeah, it is noticeably sexier 6 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.320 in here than it was last week. Well I'm here now, so well 7 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:53.079 obviously, yes, there's that is a crucial component. But yes, these 8 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.920 lighting strips right, paint a word picture here, there's a whole lot of 9 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.880 what looks to beat Well. I was gonna say it looks like Ikea led 10 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.679 lighting, but I'm gonna guess it probably nicer. It's probably from Hong Kong. 11 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:07.599 It's a nicer version of that. As I look around the room, 12 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.959 it is alternately sort of a purplish reddish and then kind of an aquamarine. 13 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:15.879 Right behind you whatever blue and green makes. Yes, so if you look 14 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.920 up you can see the lights, it's actually shinning out red and blue. 15 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.680 That makes purple. Learning our our color mixing stuff. It's the witness all 16 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.040 over it. Yeah, totally, just change the colors till you figure out 17 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:30.359 which ones are always black and which ones are always white and marks off. 18 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.879 We have a paid full of notes of exactly that thing, like oh and 19 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:36.840 blue and green lights. It's the looks like this, And then it seemed 20 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:38.920 like we didn't actually need that to give it deep into those Oh yeah, 21 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.640 we did a whole like grid and everything for that for the greenhouse area, 22 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:46.760 right yeah, where it's like one floorabi green then green, slaights blue then 23 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.599 blue then yeah. Yeah, then I think you just well, I don't 24 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.079 want to say you could just kind of eyeball that stuff. Yeah, the 25 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.760 Witness, unless your eyeballs don't work. Is that where the problem is in 26 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.680 the eyeballs, right rods and really sensitive something like that? Is that the 27 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:06.439 Yeah, that's the issue. Yes, well, there's there's multiple layers of 28 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:08.240 issues when it comes to that sort of stuff. But what does it mean 29 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:14.199 anyway? What is yours? I don't see red particularly strongly or as strongly 30 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:15.599 as other people do, I think is the case. I actually noticed that 31 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:20.120 a lot when we were doing the division. The division was like the second 32 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.120 with the Witness. It was the second time I've noticed it. Like normally 33 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:27.560 it's not an issue, but with the division with their bright red circles. 34 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:30.280 There's a grenade about to go over. Yeah, and I don't see that 35 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.680 super well, which tactically is bad. Last week not a great week to 36 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.360 try to play video game. It turns out, it turns out my two 37 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:45.680 favorite video games both uh screw me over in that sense, isn't it. 38 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:47.759 It's a it's a two pronged it's it's like a red green thing, right, 39 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:52.800 So most people have like two colors that are kind of associated with each 40 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.840 other. I am no expert so with with me. So it wasn't until 41 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.199 I bought a pair of in chroma glasses, which are glasses that are supposed 42 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:00.639 to kind of correct for this sort of stuff, and you you corrected based 43 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:05.919 on you taking a color test. And the thing that's kind of I've realized 44 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.599 is that these glasses will kind of play up red. And they're sunglasses, 45 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:13.879 so you can't really wear them indoors, so they're kind of useless for me. 46 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:15.960 And you can wear them indoors, well, yeah, you can wear 47 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:20.120 any of the stop indoors. No that it's just because they darken the image 48 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.080 so much. It's like, actually not not great indoors. They have since 49 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:27.319 come out with glasses that are not sunglasses. But I'm not going to spend 50 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:34.240 another seven hundred dollars or whatever it was on a second seven hund look for 51 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.520 a pair of tinted sung I have been unable to see colors the right way 52 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:40.719 my entire life, so at some point, like the the idea that I 53 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:46.199 could give them any amount of money to try to do something about it and 54 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.080 just to know what's worth it. So I don't regret that purchase, even 55 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.199 though I've really only worn them twice. Some surprise, nobody's come up with 56 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.120 them. Maybe they have like a like a some kind of screen filtering solution, 57 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.280 kind of like you know how flux will change the color temperature night for 58 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.639 sleep. Well, it's color blindness is so individualized that it's yeah, I 59 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.599 mean, you probably could solve for it by having people to say, what 60 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:10.520 color DC here, what color DC here? But it's it's a collection of 61 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:14.599 things. What what game have you played that has had the most that's been 62 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.639 the most affected by this? I mean, as of late, it's the 63 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.879 witness period. I mean, is there any one game that I had like 64 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:23.879 a critical element that you just could not see? There was an iOS puzzle 65 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:28.920 game that I absolutely could not play because of the their their use of colors. 66 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:30.160 It was like a combo base. I forget what it was called. 67 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:36.839 How about Super Puzzle Fighter? So Puzzle Fighter Actually, yes, the yellow 68 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:41.360 and green ones look very similar to me. So there's there's additional factors to 69 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.720 this, Like there's the I'm still trying to come to terms with the best 70 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.759 way to explain this sort of stuff, and the witness and the division of 71 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.720 kind of brought it back up in a way that has me kind of doing 72 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:57.120 this again a little bit. But it's it's more than just your eyes inability 73 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.480 to see the colors the right way or that that affects things in different ways. 74 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.879 Like if colors are right next to each other, I can usually tell 75 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.480 that they are different, and in Puzzle Fighter, I don't need to know 76 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.000 that one's yellow and one's green. I just need to know that they're different. 77 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.240 So when they're next to each other, I can tell when they're on. 78 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.319 When one's on the far left side of the pit and one's on the 79 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.680 far right, I can't tell. Specially separated by a bunch of other colors, 80 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.720 Yeah, I can't really tell. So but that actually has worked to 81 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:24.560 my benefit in puzzle fighter because it just means I set up a bunch of 82 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:29.839 yellow and green combos inadvertently. Sure, so it has not I'm sure, 83 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:31.639 you know, if I'm sure if I ascended to some kind of pro level 84 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.079 esports puzzle fighter league, that at some point I would get chewed up. 85 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:40.879 But at the level that I tend to play at, it it makes me 86 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:45.480 an unpredictable savage that just can straight up murder people know what's going to happen 87 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:49.680 exactly. So so that's a weird Yeah, that's a weird benefit. I 88 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:55.560 guess with the witness, it's hard because the witness is built around you not 89 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.319 knowing what you don't know. So it's this element of like, well, 90 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.439 this is probably a color puzzle, but I don't Actually it's hard for me 91 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:06.160 to fill in the gaps on this. Yeah, So much of so much 92 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.480 of figuring out and figuring out your way through that game is is process of 93 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.879 elimination and like solving for variables and just like saying, okay, well I 94 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.959 know this and this, so what does that tell me about that? And 95 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:20.720 so that that's gets compounded a little bit by not necessarily knowing the depths of 96 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:25.160 the color puzzles themselves. As it turns out, they're not that, you 97 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:29.360 know, They're totally doable for me, with like one or two exceptions. 98 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.040 I know, I was at one point and I kind of ask, you 99 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.839 like, hey, what what is this color? That basically i'd ask is 100 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.879 this color the same as this color? Because they look almost identical to me? 101 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.480 And they I can tell that they might be different, but I don't 102 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.360 know for sure. So those are the sorts of questions I had to ask, 103 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.560 you know, I'd ask, you know, kind like, hey, 104 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.759 what's is this? Is this same color? Is this? It's like no, 105 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:49.600 one is white and one is blue, And I'm like, well, 106 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.959 fuck was this in the greenhouse? Because it's kind of hard. You know, 107 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:55.839 I'm not color blind, and it was still hard for me to tell 108 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.480 like that looks slightly like grayish and that looks white. Yeah, So that 109 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.079 that that only compounds it. If it's actually hard for people that can see 110 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:05.040 color normally, at some point that's like okay, well I don't is it 111 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:09.920 supposed to be like that or not? Like so the psychological layers that get 112 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:14.439 thrown into that when you can't trust your own eyes are what makes that stuff 113 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.680 difficult. The fact that I don't see red as strongly as some others barely 114 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:23.079 is a factor in the puzzles as they're constructed. It's really just a matter 115 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.079 of like, Okay, I don't know if I'm seeing this right. I 116 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.560 don't know if other people are seeing this right. And yeah, I've had 117 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.639 plenty of other people saying, oh, actually I had trouble with that one 118 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.519 too, and I see color find like okay, well what does that mean? 119 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:36.240 Like I still can't tell what that even means? What does any of 120 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:45.079 it mean exactly? Who could say? But yes, so that was confounding 121 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:48.839 for about you know, seven minutes or so. The actual the the bummer 122 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:54.000 that that did is once I kind of looked up a solution to one puzzle, 123 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.720 like there's the concern that that just kind of opens the damn and then 124 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:01.360 you're just gonna cheat. Yeah, basically like now I'm like, you know 125 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.079 now that now that I've finished the game, and now I'm like I want 126 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:09.759 to do the other thing, and now there's just temptation to just there's other 127 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:15.000 things. There's you don't have all the trophies, right, there's like there 128 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:16.879 is but there is Okay, Well, there's one you'll get in one that's 129 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.279 that you won't beating the game. One of the two achievements in the Steam 130 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.240 version is the thing that we're talking about, and that's not just like, 131 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.480 hey do it with eleven lasers. It is pretty deeply buried yet. I 132 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.240 mean it's not anyway, it's it's so the color blind just thing ends up 133 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.840 being a psychological thing as well, where because I have lived a life not 134 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.279 trusting my eyes, Uh, it becomes this thing of like, well, 135 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:48.159 I don't really think about color period, So when asked to think about color, 136 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.919 it actually takes a lot of focus, a whole lot of time staring 137 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:54.679 at this stuff to try to just go like, okay, let's really break 138 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.080 it down. What can I see what? What's what am I looking at 139 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.679 here? So when I bought those in chroma glasses, that was the other 140 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.759 time that I did that because I put them on and it's not like something 141 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.000 like oh okay, like my brain literally doesn't know how to fucking process any 142 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.799 of that stuff. So it's like I'm putting the glasses on and then it's 143 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.519 this learning process of looking at stuff and you're like, is that really a 144 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.440 color issue? Yeah? Yeah, because I would get like frustrated, Like 145 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:20.879 you know, if I got hung up on a certain puzzle, thinking what 146 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.559 the hell am I doing wrong? Maybe it's a color blind thing, but 147 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.320 it's not really Yeah, that would be rough. But for me, it 148 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.840 was like I put on those glasses and you know, it was like doing 149 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.279 the commute. I wasn't driving at the time. This was a while ago, 150 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:37.200 and stuff like taxi cabs looked completely different in a way. That's like 151 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.720 orange, as it turns out, is my favorite color, and when I 152 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.120 put those glasses on, yellow things looked more like orange looks to me normally. 153 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:48.879 It was sort of a weird thing of like, oh, maybe yellow 154 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.200 ain't so bad. Yeah, yeah, so it's and like the difference between 155 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.639 traffic lights and stuff like that is actually a lot different. You know, 156 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.360 I can see the three colors of a traffic light just fine. It's it's 157 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.320 not an issue. Plus the position as yes, But like with the glasses 158 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.639 on, it was a very it was a much more dramatic difference. Like 159 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.600 a lot of green lights look really almost white to me because of the how 160 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:18.039 bright they can get. At some point the brightness will wash out the color 161 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.279 and in a similarly in a dark situation or even when like a red is 162 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.559 next to a black or something like that, like or surrounded like a you 163 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:28.200 know, in a dark environment, I will almost never see the red at 164 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.639 all. It'll just be black. And so like, determining colors in low 165 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.039 light situations where other people seem to not have trouble is actually super hard for 166 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.919 me, regardless of the color. But I think some of that is just 167 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.399 because I haven't done it a lot, because it's one of those things that 168 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.240 just like you know, early on, you learn like, okay, well 169 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.879 my eyes don't do the right thing for this stuff, so you just kind 170 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.320 of shut it off. So the witness in a weird way forced me to 171 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:58.759 turn it back on, which is fucking hard, yeah exactly, And wearing 172 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.080 those glasses actually did the same thing. It was like, you know, 173 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.639 and wearing the glasses was the first time that I was able to look like, 174 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.879 oh weird, this sweater I have is the sweatshirt I have is purple, 175 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.639 because like, purple and blue look almost identical to me, or getting 176 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.200 on the shade, but you can't see the red in the purple exactly. 177 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:18.679 Some track yeah, yeah, and we all, yeah, god, but 178 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.440 I but I like purple even more than I did before. Like seeing seeing 179 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.720 what is supposedly real purple, I'm like, fucking yeah, ye, Prince 180 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.559 is all right, Yeah yeah, the guy was onto something. And but 181 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.360 like that's something I can tell, Like the societally, you know, it's 182 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.000 like there's there's this weird thing of like why, Like I don't understand why 183 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.679 why there's like this weird Like at the time, it seemed like people didn't 184 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.840 like purple, and it seemed like purple is kind of a weird color according 185 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:46.600 to society. I've always always purple. Oh my god, I'll fucking I 186 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.000 would wear purple pants right now. I'll give a fuck. This is cool. 187 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:50.879 Yeah, he is. I had a purple trench coat when I was 188 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.080 like twelve. It was fucking red. I got made fun of so bad. 189 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.200 It was a silk, purple trench silk for a twelve year old. 190 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.879 It was amazing. You have a pimp at twelve, Like, what you 191 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:09.000 have to match? Do you have a goldfish living in your heel? Yeah? 192 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.399 What color was the goldfish? Just diet purple to match? Oh man, 193 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.879 man, purple goldfish. It doesn't even make sense. Yeah, that's 194 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.919 genetic engineering at its finest. So yeah, so it's it's it's a weird. 195 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.679 There are layers to this stuff. It's it's and it's a lot more 196 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.159 than just like, oh I don't see red real good. Uh, it's 197 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.679 a lifetime of seeing things that way. And then the minute you kind of 198 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:35.879 take that away, whether it's the glasses are just like really focusing. I 199 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.960 can see better than I give myself credit for most of the time, but 200 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.000 it's just I don't since I don't trust it, it's it's hard to go 201 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.279 with it. Uh. And then you put on the glasses and you're like, 202 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.320 well, what if the red that I see is different than the red 203 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:56.639 the exact clothes far out bro exactly, but like green and brown look pretty 204 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.279 much the same to me too, So is this lawn dead? Fucking I 205 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.559 don't know. I was kind of like, on the one hand, I 206 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.559 was surprised and then also not at all about the amount of criticism that game 207 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.480 was getting over the color based puzzles, because like, on the one hand, 208 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:11.840 yes, like that is fairly significant portion of that game. I mean, 209 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:13.840 well it's you know, it's it isn't it isn't. I mean, 210 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.840 if you want to get technical about it. It's like an eleventh of the 211 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.440 game, specifically about the kind of like swamp area with the greenhouses. And 212 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.000 I mean there are like just in in terms of just like there are color 213 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.279 puzzles. I guess the color The color puzzles do pop up in a few 214 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:30.639 other places the sections specific primarily in the greenhouse or that's where you learn about 215 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.120 it. And then it was the greenhouse area was the part that I had 216 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.240 trouble with. There's color stuff like later on there was not an issue really 217 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.799 because later because of because of the way it's used. Right, Okay, 218 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.120 do you mean the elevator specifically in the greenhouse? Is that what the ming? 219 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.360 I don't, I don't. I don't know that we want to talk 220 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:50.279 specific stuff's talking about pretty late game, okay, but but I mean, 221 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.279 you know, there's there's color stuff in the bunker area, so yeah, 222 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:54.919 I mean, like, you know, on the one hand, obviously it 223 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.840 is like it is tremendously disappointing for people who can't see that stuff to not 224 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.000 be able to effectively play a pretty large portion of the game. But on 225 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.120 the other hand, of like color is such a fundamental concept to build, 226 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.759 well, puzzles around you look at the Witness. It's really like and I'd 227 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:13.120 be curious to know, like, how with the order in which things happened 228 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.039 when the Witness was developed, because it really, you know, it's variations 229 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.559 on a theme. It's it's how many different ways can this kind of line 230 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.440 puzzle be presented and tweaked and twisted and contorted in all these different ways to 231 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.039 you know, to fill out not only eleven areas, but then to kind 232 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:33.679 of culminate. So it's only natural that color would play a role there. 233 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.080 I mean, it plays a role very early on in the game. It's 234 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.679 just the colors happen to be black and white. It's only later on that 235 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.000 you know that it becomes uh, you know, a little more serious than 236 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.519 that. And then you know, like audio is the kind of the same 237 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.279 thing. You know, naturally you would try to riff on all of the 238 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.080 different senses, as many different senses as possible when it comes to kind of 239 00:14:54.240 --> 00:15:00.399 constructing these areas and figuring out different ways to approach these puzzles. So I 240 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:01.039 look at it and go like, well, of course you would do that, 241 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.440 uh And yeah, so I think it's frustrating for people that are having 242 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.720 issues with those two. Those two seem like the two uh, you know, 243 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.919 it's it's an accessibility thing at some point, like the game doesn't necessarily 244 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.279 have an alternative, because that's the very nature of those things to kind of 245 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.679 offer the option around it. At some point, you you're nullifying. You 246 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:20.759 know, you might as well just have a button that says unlock all the 247 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.759 you know, finish these puzzles to get around a lot of that stuff. 248 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.799 So with the color area, I was able to go like, hey, 249 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.240 tell me about this stuff that I know I can't see right and able to 250 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.159 kind of puzzle my way through it as a result, because the logic is 251 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.120 still there. You tell me that's green, I can go okay and then 252 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.679 write down like okay, green, green, white. Yeah. Once you 253 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:43.879 have the information, you can reason your way through the Actually, the reasoning 254 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.840 was never the problem, and that actually, in some ways would probably make 255 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:48.279 it more frustrating for some people. Is like, you know exactly what you 256 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.360 need to do, your eyes just won't let you do it. And if 257 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.960 you just don't happen to have somebody there with you who you can see those 258 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.799 colors to help you out. And the response, I know Katuku dug into 259 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.279 this a little bit last week can and the response from from Jonathan Blow, 260 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.480 the creator of the game, one of the creators the game, was that, 261 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:08.879 hey, you don't need to complete every area to finish the game, 262 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.919 which which is? Which is? And sense and also like also like a 263 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.200 disappointing response to me, because that's again, that's a game. The game 264 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:19.720 is good enough that you will want to finish. Yeah, that's that's what 265 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.480 it will want to You will want to see it as far through as you 266 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.720 can, at least that that's where I'm at. Yeah, absolutely, not 267 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.120 only is a decizeable chunk of the game, but yeah, like I very 268 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.360 quickly made up my mind to do everything I could conceivably do in that Yeah, 269 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.159 So to have potentially one or two areas that suddenly you're just like, 270 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:41.320 well, I guess that's that uh will at some point also inhibit your progress. 271 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:48.080 Uh So that's frustrating. But at the same time, you know, 272 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.559 yeah, I think you know it's it's it's still of an amazing game. 273 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.720 I still really do enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, not not to not 274 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:00.639 to just build an entire second week's show around the Witness, but Dan, 275 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.639 yeah you started playing it. I played all week over the weekend and Jason, 276 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:04.400 if you played any of it yet, no, Actually, again, 277 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.880 got to be interesting. You just yeah, a ton of interests. But 278 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.680 based on what I've been hearing from you guys and just like being a buzz 279 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:12.799 around the internet, I know if I started playing it, you wouldn't see 280 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.000 me for a couple of weeks. And I've just got too much going on. 281 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.720 Yeah, man, oh, but yeah, I really want to play 282 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.400 because get your child started early, and this some shapereak here, some basic 283 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.319 logic, and god, that's a fantastic idea. You might be able to 284 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.960 sell this to It's like a Montessori school in a video game. Well, 285 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.640 Dan had it to go. I think it's a really really good game. 286 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.759 I think if you would have asked me after my first night with it, 287 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.960 I would be a little more down on it because I spent a lot of 288 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.480 that first night. So we want to go kind of vague with descriptions here, 289 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:45.640 right, like not actual, like here's what this puzzle is like? 290 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.759 Yeah, I mean you know, we don't want to give away solutions, 291 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.799 right, Can I give like basic Can I say I didn't like this area? 292 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:53.799 Sure? Okay, So the first night I spent a lot of time 293 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.119 in an area with a lot of trees. Okay, yeah, okay, 294 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:02.599 and that kind of plays into the forest. Yeah, but there are a 295 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:07.200 couple different ones. That's why I ask. Yeah, there's there's that one 296 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.079 with the trees, and then there's also the desert. So those two I 297 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.400 did not like that much because so Jeff you mentioned earlier, like you know 298 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.240 what you're supposed to do, but it's just you can't do it or whatever. 299 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.960 I feel like with those two sections specifically, I would look at it 300 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.400 and like two seconds to be like, Okay, I get it. That's 301 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:26.720 what the thing is. I just have to do all this bullshit and screen 302 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.559 cap and I'm playing on PC and it really helps to I'll tab over. 303 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.880 I've had to load up stuff and paint. My girlfriend built a Photoshop template 304 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.799 for to rotate shapes and all this stuff. So I just I hated the 305 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.720 ones, especially in the forest and the desert, where it's like, yeah, 306 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:42.599 okay, I get it, that's what I need to do. I 307 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.160 just need to figure out what lines up with what, and yeah, what's 308 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.759 the right angle, what's the right position? And yeah, yeah, And 309 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.079 that feels more like busy work than solving a puzzle to me because it's like, 310 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.759 again, I'm not solving anything. I'm just I know what the game 311 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.359 wants me to do. I just have to do the busy work, just 312 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:02.359 guesswork at like figuring out, okay, where exactly did this person want us 313 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.640 to stand? Yeah, when we were looking at this thing? Yeah exactly. 314 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:10.359 But yeah, as I played more over the weekend, got into a 315 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:12.440 lot of different areas, like I've got six of the lasers going now, 316 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.559 it's solid progress. Yeah, so some of them, like it had several 317 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:19.920 of those moments where I'm just staring at a thing for the longest time, 318 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.359 thinking like, what is the possible solution here? Am I looking at the 319 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.440 right puzzle? Am I not supposed to do this one yet? And then 320 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:29.279 something clicks like the other forest, I think I heard you guys talking about 321 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:30.599 how you eat like that one a lot. I had a major like aha 322 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.519 moment there, and then it even fucks with you beyond that, I'm being 323 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:37.319 very vague here, Yeah it's a yeah, it's a cool area. Yeah. 324 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.799 Yeah. I Actually I ended up liking each area in its own way, 325 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.920 and there was something I'd like totally blazed through, even the swamps, 326 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:49.279 the swamps were very difficult SPS but I enjoyed doing it. Anecdotally, I 327 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.559 will say, like far and away, I see the most people on Twitter 328 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.279 asking for help with those Tetris puzzles from the swamp. That part's really hard. 329 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:00.279 Yeah yeah, yeah, but it's by far that I think see the 330 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.200 most. I think that is the hardest section in the game. Yeah, 331 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.680 I agree, or that concept is the one that is the hardest to wrap 332 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.559 your head around. Yeah, which is weird because if you like at digging 333 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.480 through the PS four trophy stuff, like Quarry is much less finished than even 334 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.160 Marsh. Yeah, which is crazy to me because Quarry didn't seem that difficult 335 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.559 at all. Quarry, it's it's where the elevator is, and it's between 336 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.720 Yeah, it's between like kind of the monastery and the desert. Yeah, 337 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.559 we're behind the keep. Maybe I haven't done Oh yeah, where there's like 338 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.119 a box car. Yeah, and oh yeah I've done that. It's kind 339 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:34.599 of near shady trees. Did you finish that area? Yeah? I don't 340 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.079 remember that being that hard. What was the whole game? Once you know 341 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:40.359 that, once you know the trick, once you don't have the thing works 342 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.000 there the unique mechanic like it. Remember I for me, at least, 343 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.119 I just kind of breezed through it once I grasped that. But does that 344 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.279 involved the black and white stuff? Doesn't There's something there, Yeah, but 345 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.720 there's there's more to it than that anyway. Remember, it's been interesting, 346 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.400 like, and I think everyone has their own story about like, oh, 347 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:57.119 well this area. Like when I found the jungle, I finished it in 348 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.119 twenty minutes. Some people are like, oh, this so hard doing. 349 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.440 I'm like, no, what what do you figure out what you're doing there? 350 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.319 Yeah? I think it's just cool. Yeah, that's that's a cool, 351 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:07.559 quick, easy thing. At least that's how it was for me. 352 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:12.640 So that was very interesting to hear people complaining about that area. Yeah. 353 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.720 I think outside of just kind of those those different puzzle things, the one 354 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.920 thing that really made me roll my eyes was the audio log at the top 355 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.359 of the mountain. I don't know if you guys got that was one of 356 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.079 the few that I actually enjoyed on them an individual basis, like like taking 357 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.440 taking you know, out of context, just just by itself. I was 358 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.400 like, okay, this one. But as far as like being a game 359 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:34.319 and stuff, and like I'm all for the mystery, and like, I 360 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.799 don't need some big purpose for the island. I don't need, you know, 361 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.680 a conclusion for a story or anything like that. So you'd be okay 362 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.160 with it just being like a series of puzzles and challenge. I like puzzles. 363 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.200 Yeah, so like I want to do my line puzzles, not have 364 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.880 this like it felt like twenty minutes and it probably wasn't this rumination about life 365 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.799 and everything. Just let me do my line. I mean, the witnesses 366 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.079 let me too much. That should be a check box. I want to 367 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:02.519 sit there with your reader's digest, doing your words and be left alone national 368 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:07.000 borders and religion. Like yeah again again, I think that one that particular 369 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.039 monologue that you're talking about is like very relevant in the present day. I 370 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:12.480 just felt, but but why is it in that game? It felt very 371 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:15.880 up its own ass at that point and the rest of the game, I 372 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.599 have not felt any kind of pretension or anything. But that audio log that 373 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.480 it struck me is not great. Again, I will say, I can't 374 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.279 believe that's the one year zeroing in on and I've only heard two. Oh 375 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:26.720 oh, well, you've missed a ton of all right, there's one place 376 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.039 with a bunch of statues, and I heard that one. And there's other 377 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:34.359 stuff at least like a couple dozen in that game. I don't know. 378 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.039 I don't find a couple dozen. I probably only found like four or five. 379 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.839 Really, I found a bunch of I can't wait for the other ones. 380 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:42.000 I mean, I was ridden the process of reviewing it. I was 381 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:44.960 going out of my way to try to find as many of them as I 382 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:51.960 could. But then, shit, it's tricky. I don't know what I 383 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:55.839 should say. It's tricky. Should they go further with that concept than I 384 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:57.960 expected. If you do something with it, then cool. But as it 385 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.440 is, kind of kind of kind of I'll keep listening, not exactly but 386 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.279 kind of not yeah, not exactly, but kind of. It's really hard 387 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.799 to explain. It led me to like, I'm now, I'm well yeah, 388 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:11.839 so yeah, I dug into some of that stuff. I'm I am. 389 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.599 I am roughly where you are, although it sounds like you were straight 390 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.759 up exploring, like the files in the installed directory on the PC version. 391 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:25.640 Actually, so, I've still I've not I've not experienced any of the stuff 392 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:30.039 that I didn't see in game. Okay, I just looked and saw names 393 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.359 of stuff. Okay, I've stumbled across a couple of forum posts this morning 394 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:34.799 that like, so, I've seen enough of the things in the post post 395 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:38.000 game, yeah, so to realize, hang on, there might be more 396 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.599 to this than I thought. And then I saw those forum posts and now 397 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.119 I'm just like, Okay, there's clearly an answer to all this, and 398 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:49.640 I just haven't quite found it yet. I'm okay, yeah, okay, 399 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:53.359 I am curious to see if this game brings it all together. Actually, 400 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.720 you know, point, you know what it really was was somebody tweeted at 401 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.359 me. I tweeted about very vaguely this morning, about that thing that me 402 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.039 and you were both stuck on. Yeah. Uh, and somebody came back 403 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:04.880 with something along the lines of, yeah, can you believe it turned out 404 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.880 to be blank? And I was just like, what the fuck are you 405 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.680 talking a right now? I just want you to tell me what that is. 406 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:15.079 But yeah, but but I mean, like like the game when you 407 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.680 quote unquote finish it, when you get the ending, which is just the 408 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:19.000 thing you need seven lasers for, and then you find the last area, 409 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:23.079 like the game very much comes off as like the game equivalent of like an 410 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.079 art film that is very that takes itself very seriously. You know. I 411 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.960 could see that and like there's you know, there's there's imagery and symbolism that 412 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.119 you can interpret or whatever, but there's no like clear through line. I 413 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.519 will say that, like, yeah, that that's getting to that point. 414 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.640 I did not. I was not satisfied. Yeah, there was nothing about 415 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.400 that part that I was like, Ah, there were things. There were 416 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.720 things about the final moments of the game. And I don't even just mean 417 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.880 quote unquote the ending, but like kind of just like the whole last couple 418 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.799 of hours. Let's say, sure that I found satisfying. But yeah, 419 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:57.079 you're right, yes, I I you know, you don't walk away from 420 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.200 that feeling like whole necess All it did is make me go like, well, 421 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.559 okay, all right, now I need to get serious about uncovering every 422 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.319 last little bit of this thing. And that was the point for me where 423 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:08.359 I was like, you know, I've I feel like I've kind of puzzled 424 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:11.200 out enough, like maybe this is the point where I really do just start 425 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.039 looking at the internet. But did you not really? Okay, yeah I 426 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.640 didn't either. I've encountered things here and there, We've asked, you know, 427 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.480 a couple of days just you know, almost inadvertently, but but I 428 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:26.319 have not sought out answers. The most infuriating thing is when, like it's 429 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.880 one thing when you look at a puzzle and you realize there are symbols and 430 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.119 things that you haven't seen yet, and you think like, well, maybe 431 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:36.359 I have to learn more before I come back here. The infuriating thing is 432 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.240 when you get to a puzzle and you're looking at it and you recognize all 433 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.599 of the elements that are in place, and it's like, I guess I'm 434 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.960 just stupid because you don't know. You don't want to walk away from that 435 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.599 puzzle because you feel like you've got the knowledge necessary, you're just not figuring 436 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:49.640 it out. Yeah, and those are the cases where I quit playing the 437 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:52.039 game for an hour, came back, and then immediately would finish the puzzle. 438 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:53.799 I'm bad about that, Like I just have to stare at like I 439 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.720 can't imagine going to bed and just having that sit unfinished. And so I've 440 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.000 been really stuck on Like in the swamp, there is definitely one of the 441 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.440 for me, it's just been it's just been literally like, you know, 442 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.640 I just need time away from the game, from my mind to get back 443 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:08.000 in fucking shape, and then when you reapproach the game, it's just like, 444 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.880 well, okay, boom boo boo, and I will like knock out 445 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.880 another twenty places. I am so glad there wasn't like a hidden go pro 446 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.440 or something in my living room the night before the review could run, when 447 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:19.880 I was trying to finish this game. Yeah, it would have been embarrassing. 448 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:23.279 It was really bad. It's finishing. It's part of why I don't 449 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.680 think the game is a very good streaming game, because I think it would 450 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.720 be a bunch of people that know that have the solution figure out watching the 451 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.480 stream going fucking what are you doing? Yeah? And I so I started 452 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:34.759 watching a couple of streams here and there, and like you know, on 453 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.799 launch day or the yeah, on on launch day because like I was way 454 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.880 way past where anybody else was going to be, so I knew they weren't 455 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.279 going to show anything that I hadn't done yet, and looking at that you 456 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.000 felt the need. Yeah, it just fucking made me crazy just watching people 457 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:52.480 go like, well, this is fucking garbage. I'm like, no, 458 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.720 you're hiddiot, sure damn it, But I actually don't mean like embarrassing for 459 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.319 me in terms of like I couldn't figure stuff out. I mean of how 460 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.799 much I was like raging at the television, like just like feeling that awful 461 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.039 time pressure, but knowing I couldn't stop. I couldn't stop, I couldn't 462 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.440 walk away. Yeah, and like my girlfriend, like I started at like 463 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.640 eight am that day, like wrapping up everything I could find and then going 464 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:18.160 to the final area and vastly underestimating like how long and difficult that final area 465 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:19.480 would be. Yeah, have you guys found that this is like a good 466 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.559 like significant other games? Oh yeah, totally totally. But she was sitting 467 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.480 there's gonna like just calm down, you can do this, Like I actually 468 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.559 I've I've talked to Dan about this was a little bit like I've kind of 469 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:32.519 been dabbling with meditation a little bit, and I literally had to go sit 470 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.200 down on the floor in the bedroom with the door closed for like ten minutes, 471 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.400 set a timer, and focus on my breathing for ten fucking minutes. 472 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.640 Well, my head was a giant jumble of like flying you know, like 473 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:51.759 yellow yellow blocks and pink stars and stuff. So as usual that's basically yes, 474 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.759 But but it helped a little bit, but you know, it's just 475 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.359 Jason. It is really good for that. And in fact, if you're 476 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.640 playing on PC, we're doing it to where I've got the Xbox controller because 477 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.680 she's got the like wireless keyboard and mouse thing, so you can basically have 478 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.839 two controllers at that point. So if I say, like I'm stuck, 479 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.799 she could just start doing stuff with the mouse. So yeah, it's really 480 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:12.400 cool. That was a really good idea. And also I think it's I 481 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.480 thought about you guys played it on PS four Jeff and Brad. Yeah, 482 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.279 and I mean you can do the screen and shot stuff there, but that 483 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.680 seems like that would be a kind of a hassle having to go through that 484 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:25.880 stuff. Yeah, yeah, because because then it's like, okay, these 485 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.960 phone the images from my phone automatically push up and then I can very easily 486 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.680 access them, access the moment from my PC. And then it's like I'm 487 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.440 not tabbing or I mean, have two monelors or whatever. I'm not tabbing 488 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:37.640 or anything. I'm just like, okay, look at this, rotate this. 489 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.880 They're all viable solutions. You know, on the PS four it takes 490 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.839 like thirty seconds to navigate to the picture that you just took. But once 491 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.359 you do, you can just double tap the PlayStation to the home button or 492 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.079 whatever and it'll like literally flip between the two. I found it really helpful 493 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.480 to just kind of all tap over and you can open the screen shot and 494 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.799 paint and then you can kind of draw on it and you know, cut 495 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.559 things out. So, h yeah, PC has been really great for a 496 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.319 variety of reasons. I think it's really good. It is. I don't 497 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.720 know what else to say about it unless we just convene like a and I 498 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.279 feel like even the window and that is closing because the game's been out for 499 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.000 over a week and I think I'm finishing it and stuff like I don't know 500 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.319 how like how relevant a spoiler cast with me? There's not I mean, 501 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.480 we're not going to be the ones to put it all together well I don't 502 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.079 even me know so story wise or even thematically. I'm literally just talking about 503 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.559 I want to a bitch about the puzzles, Like I want to talk about 504 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:26.720 that ending area and stuff like that, you know, like, yeah, 505 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.319 just hey, how fucked was blank? You know? Right? Because now 506 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.200 that you've been through that final area and there's like two or three types of 507 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.599 puzzles in there that I just want to be like, man, fuck those 508 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.759 things. Yeah, but we can't. Really what do you think of it? 509 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.640 I thought that, you know, like obviously they're trying to like culminate 510 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.200 and build up to like having this final area be you know, more than 511 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.680 the stuff that came before. But I think the way that they kind of 512 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:56.160 tweaked the puzzle format, I didn't like really much of it. Almost like 513 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.440 it's interesting except for the part where you're solving the like there's some stuff I'm 514 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.319 like, oh, that's really clever, and then I just sit there and 515 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:04.559 do it and go like it's a case. I mean, it is a 516 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.200 case where like you know, by the time you finish that game, or 517 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:10.799 by the time you get to that point, you do know all the rules. 518 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.519 Yeah, you know, so they're the discovery is gone. So so 519 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.079 that's that's that was a little disappointing. I would I would have actually I 520 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.519 think that they maybe could have introduced like another puzzle mechanic for that area that 521 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.440 would have, you know, at least let you have that one more time. 522 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:26.960 Yeah, and that discovery is I think the best part of the game 523 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.240 for me. Yeah, Like I think the Jungle was kind of that major 524 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.880 aha moment where I was like, oh, that's fucking cool. Okay, 525 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.599 yeah, yeah, like that that's the thing is like once you start to 526 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.559 like like you know, go you go through the tutorial puzzles for an area 527 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.160 or whatever it is, and start to piece it together, like, that's 528 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.920 the thing in that game. That's the if that's the moment of the year. 529 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:49.039 Moment in that game is like discovering how these things are supposed to work 530 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.920 and going like, oh, it's not banging out those rules over and over 531 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:59.119 again across twenty puzzles. So so having you know, the so having that 532 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.000 part of the game, like its like getting to a point where it's like 533 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.279 okay, I've seen it all and having that be it and and any any 534 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.640 puzzle at this point, anything that I'm stuck on is going to be something 535 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.279 larger than just the line puzzle, right, Like that was a little disappointing. 536 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.400 I wish that there was a little bit more at the end, but 537 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.960 there was a lot along the way, so you know, really it was 538 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:23.559 about the journey. I guess, yeah, do you think that's enough for 539 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.519 people that don't necessarily like a lot of puzzle games like it's not just kind 540 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.079 of drive puzzles. You know there is a drive what is you know? 541 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.759 It Like puzzle game is such a weird thing because when when when we say 542 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.920 puzzle game, I think about puzzle fighter, I think about Tetris, like 543 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.400 that's you know, this is not that those those are kind of action puzzle 544 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.559 games. I guess you would say this is sudoku, you know, yes, 545 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.319 this is again this is like you know something that you know you would 546 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:52.759 find it a CVS for six bucks, like more line puzzles. Yeah. 547 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.480 I think if you played like a couple dozen of these puzzles and it wasn't 548 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.480 really for you, it might not be the game for you, because that 549 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.319 is what it is. You mean, there's some cool mystery and stuff about 550 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:06.240 the island, but I mean that's about the Like if that was strong enough. 551 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.839 Yeah, I think that, like it certainly helps like it's a cohesive 552 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.839 package. Uh you know, like it benefits from a being an interactive video 553 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.480 game because that you know, again it was if it was a book, 554 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.160 it wouldn't it would not have it couldn't it couldn't do a lot of things 555 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:27.839 another form. Yeah, so you know it's it's it's the puzzles themselves. 556 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.720 Sure, yeah, you can print them out, you can do whatever you 557 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.119 want. But the way they're presented in the environment, the way the environment 558 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.119 changes the way you solve the puzzles, the way the environment plays into the 559 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:42.359 puzzles is super cool. Yeah, And also just like discovering that world was 560 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.480 a huge component of why I enjoyed the game. So yeah, it's it's 561 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.680 you know what, it's a lot smaller than initially seems, and that you 562 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.440 can just get from place to like once you know where you're going, like 563 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.880 you can book across that absolutely, you could be you could be anywhere on 564 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:00.200 the island from anywhere else. It's so tightly it is. It is kind 565 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.039 of great, Like they pack a lot of variety into a pretty small land 566 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.640 mass. That's yeah, perfect, which I thought I was fascinating like that. 567 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.240 I that that process of actually like laying all this stuff out, I 568 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.079 bet was really fucking arms. Yeah. It feels so open though. I 569 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.640 love just like when I decide I'm done with an area or I don't know, 570 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.000 the trick or whatever, it's fun to just kind of wandering and be 571 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:23.039 like, well, I'm gonna walk until I see a thing and I'm trying 572 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.160 to do a puzzle. Like when playing it before release, when nobody knew 573 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:29.839 anything about it, I spent a huge amount of time just wandering, yeah, 574 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.400 just seem just to see what I could see, and I stumbled. 575 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.839 That's how I stumbled into areas I didn't know existed, and you know, 576 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.519 I found shortcuts like this. Yeah, that's all. It's just a really 577 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:43.960 fun, pleasant environment to poke around it. Yeah, and then there's more 578 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:49.400 to it every everything. Should I say something, it's usually like, even 579 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.480 when you think it's over, it's not over. God damn it. Even 580 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.279 when you think you're done, there might be more in a really cool way 581 00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.000 that I'm really glad I did not look up on the internet. Yeah, 582 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.759 because when I found it, yep, I knew there was something else there, 583 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.599 but that's all I knew. Yea. And then finding especially because the 584 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:07.599 way you find it, you're just like, oh, of course, yes. 585 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.480 In retrospect, it's so fucking obvious that you want to like punch yourself 586 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.639 in the face, like, how did I miss this? It's it's awesome, 587 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.239 It's man, it's great, all right, we should move on. 588 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.679 That's It's a lot of witness talk over the last two weeks. But man, 589 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.079 that's a That game is something I haven't played it in my head is 590 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.800 swimming. Yeah, all this stuff, it's it's good cool. Uh yeah 591 00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:34.480 yeah yeah. Anybody playing anything else? Yeah what you got started Team Rader 592 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.119 on p Yeah. Yeah, I played it for about ninety seconds just to 593 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.519 see how it ran on my computer. Looks real good. Yeah, I 594 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:44.400 have some screenshots were floating around like a couple days before release of that thing 595 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.760 on like max settings, and it just looks like CC at a certain point. 596 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.039 Yeah, I can come on Max and it's incredible. Man. So 597 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.199 how's the frame right with you? Max ten? It's mostly about sixty. 598 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.719 There are some areas where there's you know, like a big waterfall or because 599 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.239 you're on a TV. Yeah okay, but yeah, mostly sixty and it 600 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:05.599 looks real real sharp. Haven't played enough yet to really, you know, 601 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.360 comment on the game as a whole. Everything I saw from the quick look 602 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.079 with Brad looked great. But yeah, I just got to like the Siberia 603 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.400 stuff where it's kind of starting to open up. And yeah, when you 604 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.599 get to that first hub area and you start seeing the variety of stuff they 605 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.000 have for you to do, is when it really come six off. It 606 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.719 seems really promising. I'm looking forward to playing through it. I want to. 607 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.119 I want to check out the survival mode that they've added to this game 608 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.199 at some point. Yeah, what you heard about this? Like it's a 609 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:30.280 no, it sounds a little roguelike in a way, like they basically you 610 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.760 pick an environment, like you know, they've got different environments from the game, 611 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.599 but you should drop you in. And it sounds like it's kind of 612 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.719 randomized, like there's like random supplies and resources and like there's a day night 613 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:44.920 thing going on and it's it's it's almost like sounds a little Don't Starvy or 614 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.400 something where it's just like you're scored based on how many nights you can survive. 615 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.960 That is strange. Yeah, do you progress through this? No? 616 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.320 No, no, no. I don't think there's any stories to separate mode. 617 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:57.519 I think, yeah, this will totally standalone mode they've added, so 618 00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.920 it's not like a difficulty setting for the campaign. No, no, no 619 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.440 no. And I assume there must be like random combat encounters that happen and 620 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:07.039 stuff like that, like you unlock I guess abilities and stuff as you go. 621 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.440 But yeah, it's my understanding is that you can extract on any day 622 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.280 that you want, but that's obviously gonna like kind of put a ceiling on 623 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.559 your maximum score, you know, Like it's like I can't extract now and 624 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.760 just leave with what I have, or I can keep trying to go like 625 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.199 grind it out for another couple of days, or but it sounds really interesting. 626 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.039 I want to see what that stuff's about. Yeah, and that's all 627 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.840 in the PC version as well. I'm not sure if that's a big draw 628 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:32.559 for me, Like I like the progression of just like the normal stuff and 629 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:36.639 the collectibles and slowly getting skills and stuff. But if it doesn't, I 630 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.840 don't know. I wouldn't have been that interested in it until I've seen numerous 631 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.199 people saying like, hey, this is actually kind of awesome. Okay, 632 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.000 so I'm gonna check it out. Yeah for sure. Yeah, I'll check 633 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.840 out that version of the game. I'll want to see it on PC. 634 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.800 You're very good things. Yeah, it's kind of crazy that came out as 635 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.000 fast as it did, right, Yeah, what is that a Well, 636 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:59.960 that's close to three months of exclusivity right well, I mean like first week 637 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.480 November it is still not out on PlayStation before well, it's where their actual 638 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.039 exclusivity. That's where it matters where they it's what they care about. I 639 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:13.920 sure weird World. Yeah yeah, so I played The Division, oh right, 640 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:20.440 yes, or the beta of the Division. Yes, I think that 641 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.360 game could be really good. I am cautiously optims like a very qualified sentence, 642 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.119 but okay. Uh. It's the same feeling I had coming out of 643 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:35.519 the Destiny tread Lightley, where it was like, Okay, there's really something 644 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:39.320 to this Mechanically, it's interesting. I'm enjoying it. I like what they're 645 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:44.239 doing with armor and weapons and how the moths on the weapons and that sort 646 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:45.800 of stuff. Just in case people don't know, it is a lout shooter. 647 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.760 Right to top the bottom right or the core of this game, there 648 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:55.039 are drops the stuff, you know, yes, or leveling up huffy coat. 649 00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.760 Yes, well you don't level up the puffy coat, you just that's 650 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:06.400 the puffy coat cosmetic Okay. In the Dark Stone, yes, okay, 651 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.440 it has color coded loot all right, but so but but at the same 652 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:14.199 time, like the content, there's not that much of it in this beta. 653 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.719 There's kind of like with the first or not even the first they skipped 654 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.039 the I guess the they start, you would at level four, you're kind 655 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:24.920 of past the tutorial sequence and kind of dropped in and there's one mission where 656 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.880 you rescue a doctor, and then after that it's like, all right, 657 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.880 that's all the story stuff, but there's a bunch of side stuff and the 658 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.239 side stuff there, it's icons on the map. It's definitely like it doesn't 659 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:39.320 seem procedural, procedural, but at the same time it feels procedural, and 660 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.719 like, oh, I don't know, there's four guys in this store, 661 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.920 you should shoot them, all right, congratulations, hold this spot down for 662 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.119 a minute thirty we're gonna spawn some guys in. And you're like, well, 663 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.559 this could happen anywhere, I don't you know, like maybe it's better 664 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.039 that it happened here because you built for it or whatever. But like that 665 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:58.840 content feels thin a lot of the side it'll be like there are hostages, 666 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.480 which just means there are five guys here to shoot, and there's a room 667 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.119 that has hostages in it. So after you kill all the guys, there's 668 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.199 a key that you have to find, which is highlighted on your map. 669 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.519 You just walk up, grab the key, then the door appears on your 670 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.599 map, you walk over there, open the door, and then you've completed 671 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:19.239 that side objective. So like, I'm worried that maybe the content will be 672 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:23.679 repetitive or thin in you know, if you've if you've got this stretched out 673 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.199 to a full game, but maybe there's more variety to it that we're not 674 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.920 seeing. What was the what was the nature of the story mission you saw? 675 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.840 Like are the cut scenes? There are cut scenes in the game. 676 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.559 It is telling a story and you are rescuing a doctor. Because the big 677 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.400 part of the at least as far as I can tell from what I've played, 678 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.679 a big part of the of the division will be building up your home 679 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.559 base. And there are three different wings. There's like a medical wing, 680 00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.840 a tech wing, and a security wing. And the first thing you'll have 681 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:52.960 to do, or one of the first thing you have to do upon getting 682 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.360 there, is rescue the people that are in charge of those wings, because 683 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.960 they've all disappeared. Does this seem like something that's like instanced for each player, 684 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.920 It's not like it's not something that belongs to your faction that people can 685 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.079 share. Your home base is literally instance, like you walk in there are 686 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.480 no other humans and in the quote unquote town. You might as well be 687 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:14.760 town, right if we start breaking it out to like larger MMO concepts or 688 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:20.920 something. So your area gets upgraded as you get upgrade points. So like, 689 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.239 basically you upgrade each one of those three wings as you go. So 690 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:27.079 in the beta, you can buy two upgrade levels for the medical wing after 691 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.360 you rescue that doctor. The first one you get is the first one you 692 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.480 get as a result of rescuing her, and then there's a second one and 693 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.719 then so basically, but as you upgrade those things, you unlock perks and 694 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.519 traits for your character. So it'll be like, oh, well, you 695 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.920 know, because I did this thing, I now have a an ability and 696 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.960 active ability that's like a first aid grenade for teammates or for myself or whatever 697 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.039 I want to do. Healing grenade's healing grenade. Yeah. A lot of 698 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.880 the skills aren't in the beta though, right, there are only like four 699 00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.280 skills. Yeah, and the traits. You know, you get a couple 700 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.840 of traits, but the menu is not in the beta yep, so you 701 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.920 can't actually go in and see what you're getting. In some cases, the 702 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.760 first trait you get for rescuing the doctor is now you can hold three med 703 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:14.599 kits and set it too, and you can swap abilities on the fly their 704 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.639 actor. You know, you have two active abilities on your bumpers, your 705 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.599 you know your LBRB L one R one. You have to do that from 706 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.039 your base or can you do that? Like I think you can do that 707 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.880 anywhere. Oh yeah, talking to you on Friday about it a little bit, 708 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.320 like I was kind of you know, I was just thinking, you 709 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.119 know, obviously I'm kind of in the Destiny mindset because I played so fucking 710 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.599 much of it, right, I was just wondering, like, what if 711 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.480 the loop was going to be you know, you're out in the field, 712 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.320 you're getting ship, and then you got to go back to a place to 713 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.320 do your stuff, handle your business, to do some administrative tasks sort of, 714 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.159 and then go back out. Yeah, but you made it sound like 715 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.719 it's maybe a little bit looser than it's a little bit looser than that. 716 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.960 Yeah. So it's like this when when you go on so this one mission 717 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:51.800 that's in the game to rescue this doctor from Madison Square Garden, the missions 718 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.159 on your map you can just run in there and go and you'll do it 719 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.119 alone. But outside the mission there is a like kind of you know, 720 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:02.039 there's a augmented out as words in the world splinter cell style. Okay, 721 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:08.639 the Clants is thick with Tom Clancy's the Division, and that's a almost like 722 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:12.599 a signpost where you can stop and go, I want to match make and 723 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.639 then you will get a team for this mission. So do you just stand 724 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.679 there until other people spawn in? You know, you walk up to it, 725 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.599 you hit X or square and say I want to match make, and 726 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.360 it'll you know, there are menus involved. You can queue up for different 727 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.480 difficulties for that mission. There was that weird point where you during the quick 728 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.480 look where somebody said like, oh, this guy wants you to join a 729 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.519 squad or whatever. And I think we both kind of expected and hope that 730 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:37.480 it would just be a seamless thing where it's like, oh, now I'm 731 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.880 with these guys going this this place, but it loaded you into some different 732 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.880 loading screen the totally different area and you didn't know where you were. So 733 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.159 yeah, what it was doing is like that was because we were on Xbox 734 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:51.480 where I have followers and those people were playing the game and sending me party 735 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.760 requests. Okay, so it wasn't because they were It had nothing to do 736 00:42:54.800 --> 00:43:00.599 with proxycha Okay, So I was basically like warping into their instance uh and 737 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.199 doing stuff, and then when you quit it, you warp out. So 738 00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.000 there's load times associated with joining and quitting parties because it doesn't seem like it's 739 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.760 going to be desirable or even viable to play this game by yourself. Like, 740 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.760 so I get the impression that the story stuff, like that kind of 741 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.119 stuff that I'm talking about, like story missions and that storty stuff, like 742 00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:20.360 absolutely you could you could, well, who knows, I've only seen one 743 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.679 of them. I don't. I don't really know this. This one mission 744 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.440 that I had, it seemed like its scaled based on how many people you 745 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:29.760 had there. So I would suspect that a lot of that content you'd be 746 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.519 able to play by yourself. But then there's this other section of the game, 747 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:36.079 which is the Dark Zone, which is what we saw a D three, 748 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:37.639 yeah, which is kind of their PvP area, and it happens in 749 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.519 a totally separate part of town basically, but you do walk into it, 750 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.440 right, yes, you don't, like, you don't menu your way into 751 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.159 it, and you like literally climb over a wall and you can't you can't 752 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:50.119 fast travel in the game, so you probably fast travel to the wall and 753 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:52.400 then and then climb over it, if I had to guess, it's all 754 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.280 fairly seamless though, yeah, okay, And so when you get in the 755 00:43:55.360 --> 00:44:00.639 dark Zone, it's basically so the idea is that that area is contaminated. 756 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:06.480 So there's it's lawless in the Dark Zone, and you have a separate experience 757 00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.039 level that will help for like how it's grouping players together, Like players of 758 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:15.239 certain Dark Zone experience levels will be clustered together in these zones to prevent like 759 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.639 super high level players from just fucking people up. And so this is like 760 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:21.000 where it gets like this kind of cane and lynch, like are you going 761 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.079 to fuck people over? Yes or no kind of thing because you're just out 762 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.760 there and and so this experience seems like it could be a little thin because 763 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.239 there aren't really set objectives here. It's just like here's this area, run 764 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:35.119 around, kill people the drop stuff, and the drops you get are contaminated, 765 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:39.519 so you can't It's like the equivalent of like unidentified loot in a Diablo 766 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:45.280 game, so you can't use it until it's been identified. But you it 767 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.559 is identified, you just can't equip it because it's contaminated. So you have 768 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.760 to extract the loot, and that means going to an extraction zone, firing 769 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.039 off a flare, and then there's a minute thirty countdown before helicopter shows up, 770 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.480 drops a rope, and then any players in the vicina you can run 771 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.679 up and attach their loot to the rope, and then the loot will be 772 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.079 extracted and transported to your stash, which is not in the dark zone. 773 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.039 As far as I can tell, this is where like most the action takes 774 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.320 place. It seems like, based on the quick loo's gonna up with you 775 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.639 guys. I didn't. I didn't really, it's hard to say, yeah, 776 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.639 but but yeah, the action will take place around the extraction for sure, 777 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.559 because that's the point where people can go like, okay, here's a 778 00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.119 bunch of players that have shit, let's kill them all, take steal their 779 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.000 stuff, and then will extract it. It seems like you can accidentally go 780 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:30.760 rogue just with like one stray bullet. Yeah it may. I don't think 781 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.679 it's one stray bullet, but yeah, you accidentally like shot a guy a 782 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.400 little bit, and all of a sudden you've gone rogue. Yes, So 783 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.320 it is. It is probably a little bit, and he was mad. 784 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.320 It was just a couple of bullets. So yes, that will turn you 785 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:50.199 and your whole team rogue, at which point non rogue players will be incentivized 786 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.159 to kill you because they get more out of it. So sounds like a 787 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.920 neat system. It sounds like a place you could just hang out and do 788 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.239 stuff. It seems like you're saying like it doesn't end when you extract exactly. 789 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.159 Yeah, you just like keep going out and fucking people over marauding. 790 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.320 So the other thing that happens is when your rogue, there's kind of a 791 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:08.840 timer on it, and the more rogue you are, the higher the timer 792 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.400 gets, I guess. But like it. Basically it's a system by which 793 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.400 you can run away and become not rogue anymore. So So I was playing 794 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.639 yesterday and I shot a guy a couple of times and it turned me rogue 795 00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.519 and what fuck fuck fuck and just ran uh and you know my it took 796 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.639 exactly. Yeah. I mean the game does have voice chat with non party 797 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.639 members, at least on PC, so you dude, sorry, as you're 798 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.239 running away, and it eventually ticked down and I was no longer rogue. 799 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.280 But this just leads to people just like jacking a bunch of people running away, 800 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.480 becoming non rogue and then walking out that I'm worried about. It actually 801 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.800 becomes this system where you just have to remember the names over their heads and 802 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.719 you know, fuck that guy, keep an eye on this fucker, and 803 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.639 then sure enough he throws a grenade. You're like, fuck you fuck you 804 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.920 know, you just like have to you have to fuck him into the dirt 805 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.880 as quickly as possible to prevent him from doing what he's trying to do. 806 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.280 So yeah, it's interesting, It's it's an interesting mechanic, but I just 807 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.960 don't know, like, is the loot they're good enough to care? Is 808 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.559 the Is there going to be more to do there than just that, because 809 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.800 it seems it seems kind of boring because they're not that many enemies out there. 810 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.599 So it's like I'm just like, Okay, well, I guess I'll 811 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.840 just go below into the subway and hopefully they'll be like three guys here, 812 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.480 four guys here. You know, there's not some abundance of guys or opportunities 813 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.880 for loots, So it really is this kind of like and for me, 814 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.880 I was playing alone. So it's just just like I'm just walking around this 815 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.079 empty environment now. I guess I don't know, it got a little little 816 00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.079 thin enjoying the apocalypse. Yeah, because that what's going on? Do they 817 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.000 even say is a viral attack on Black Friday? Black Friend? Okay? 818 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.239 Also, New York is just quarantined, like the whole world has ended or 819 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.199 something. Gas I actually, yeah, something like that. The gameplay stuff 820 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.920 you're describing sounds great. I wish the game wasn't so like the look and 821 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.400 the setting are just so fucking drab and generic. Folk looks better on PC 822 00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.840 than yeah stuff, I'm talking more art design, Like it's just maybe maybe 823 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.280 I'm like, maybe I'm super spoiled on Destiny, which has like fucking amazing 824 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.360 art and like super cool, interesting quirky weapons and stuff like that. Space 825 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.079 you know, they get, they get the chance. I mean, space 826 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:13.559 gives, That's what I mean, more than you was like, Hey, 827 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.159 it's New York, Like you know, obviously they're going for drab and an 828 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:21.159 urban and paramilitary or whatever because it's New York. Yeah, like the fact 829 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.320 that there was a viral outbreak doesn't make it sucking Moore. It's just like 830 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:27.519 it's fucking New York. Like I thought the environments were really detailed though, 831 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:29.800 like walking around your home base and everything, like all this stuff on the 832 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.079 courts. Everything looks technically, it looks fine. It's just more of a 833 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.199 kind of an issue of creativity or imagination or whatever, you know, Like, 834 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.480 yeah, like going for a shotgun with slightly better stats, but it 835 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.639 still looks just like a boring real world shotgun. What if I told you 836 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.039 that you found skins that you could make your shotgun red or flum All right, 837 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.679 purple? Uh so, I don't know, Okay, purples. I 838 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.679 hear purple is in these days. Yeah, but I'm sure it'll be fun. 839 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.519 But I also think some people will really not like the shooting. It 840 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:06.599 like it's the enemies are relatively bullet spongey like it's it's it's role playing game 841 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.880 action shooting, so headshots don't immediately kill, you know, it's it's that 842 00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.320 kind of game. It's sort of like Destiny, and you at least hit 843 00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:15.920 the stuff you aim at. Yeah, like dice rolls going on with it, 844 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:20.239 and numbers come out of them when you hit, and those numbers almost 845 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.360 look like the Borderlands numbers, like the font is weirdly similar in a way 846 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.960 that is too close to be coincidently weird. I don't know if they're trying 847 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:31.760 to evoke Yeah, I don't know. It's I kind of felt that too. 848 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.960 When you stack the different trees between like security and the other two things. 849 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.159 It reminded me of when you went to your skill tree and Borderlands, 850 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:42.320 Like, yeah, it's it's definitely there's some parallels to be drawn there too. 851 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.679 But if if there's enough content and enough variety there, I think this 852 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.519 could be really cool. Like I did enjoy my time with it. The 853 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.119 other problem they have is apparently they do a lot of stuff client side, 854 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.159 so on the PC version of the game, you can just fucking cheat. 855 00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.719 Wow that didn't take long. Yeah, I guess that's the point of the 856 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:05.159 beta. I don't. I mean that stuff seems like it should be fundamental 857 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.559 design in a way, that basic architecture stuff that they're like a couple of 858 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.880 months before launched, like maybe it's just turned off and they but like it 859 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.639 was a weird thing that Like, so the PC version of the game is 860 00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:20.119 rife with people just that are invincible and fucking murdering people, which is crazy 861 00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.760 in this day and age. I've wondered for a long time if that's why 862 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.119 there's still no Destiny PC port, because you know, yeah, that they 863 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.079 would have to then be good at that stuff, because like, if you 864 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.920 remove the sanctity of like the hard to get items in Destiny, there is 865 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.239 no game there, like there's nothing left. Yeah, you know, so 866 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:37.800 if people can cheat their way around that, it stops being interesting. Well, 867 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.960 I mean, the question there is like what did people do with the 868 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.159 three sixty version of Destiny? Did that lead to? Because the three sixty 869 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.559 version of GTA five led to people giving themselves all sorts of money and all 870 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:53.079 their stuff because the three sixty is is hackable. So I don't know if 871 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.159 Destiny three sixty was an attack vector for that stuff. I don't remember it 872 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.679 being yea, so maybe maybe they're better at that stuff. Then we're giving 873 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.360 him credit for me. Maybe. All right, well this is good to 874 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.960 know. I would say, I'm more interested in the division now having heard 875 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.199 what you said about it, I am as well. But after playing it, 876 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.880 and I kept coming back to it throughout the weekend just like like it 877 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.480 was just even though it was like, well, none of this progress matters, 878 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.679 like that there's something about it that I hope it pans out. There's 879 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:25.000 something about it that that feels nice and I enjoyed. So, I mean, 880 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.239 you know, shot a guy and he dropped a really cool fucking LMG, 881 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.599 and then I opened a chest and there was a cool fucking scope in 882 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.159 it. You know, there's like you're getting stuffed and you're attaching stuff to 883 00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.760 other stuff and going like, yeah, now this is cool. So there's 884 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.800 a lot of crafting stuff, but there's also just like straight up blue drops 885 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:45.599 like new guns. That's great, all right, it's got potential. It's 886 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.400 got a ton of potential to put this on my list. And I let 887 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.519 a UBI soft employee know that maybe the threat indicator needs to not be read, 888 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.840 or there needs to be a white line around it or some kind of 889 00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:00.000 option, and was told it would be raised. Yeah, cool up, 890 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.280 fly powl up the flag. Sure, I'm sure that those UI decisions will 891 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.119 be policed appropriately. Yeah, so yeah, all right, cool, all 892 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.000 right. There's some video games that we played. Time we get excited about 893 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.880 news. Let's talk about headlines. Let's get excited about the end of the 894 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.000 Street Fight er five, the last beta. Oh fine, it's over. 895 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.280 Fine, it's over now. Yeah, it's over having separation anxiety. Yeah, 896 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.360 big sign. Yeah. They started the the beta like Thursday night, 897 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.119 and as it turns out, that was the only night that I really got 898 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:30.480 to play it. But I got a lot of good matches in. Yeah, 899 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.519 I'm feeling we's right. You played it on Yeah, you played on 900 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.519 UPF and I think you mentioned you got several dozen matches in the night before, 901 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.400 right, Yeah, yeah, way into the double digits yet matches. 902 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:45.400 Feel good about the netcode a lot better, Yes, it's yeah, a 903 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.800 vast majority of the matches that I had spun on, and you know, 904 00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.519 they're they're using a new like you know, a rollback style in that code 905 00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.599 like GGPO but not quite. But for the most part, yeah, absolutely 906 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:58.920 great matches. There were a few that were in you know, far Eastern 907 00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.920 country that wow, that was really really bad. But yeah, most of 908 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.400 the I mean, obviously that's going to be inevitable with anything on the internet, 909 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.119 right yep. And they've got the fighters network up and running for the 910 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.760 most part, not like all the stats and stuff where they drilled down like 911 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.239 you know, what's your the fierce punch percentage? I don't know, I 912 00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.039 don't know, what the fuck they're gonna track with that, But like searching 913 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:21.559 through replays and stuff, it was a lot easier. They had some of 914 00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:23.800 that stuff in the previous game, but this is way more robust than It's 915 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:29.719 way easier to find specific people's specific characters. So if I'm like having a 916 00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:31.760 trouble, you know, with a specific matchup, I want to search the 917 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:37.599 top players that character, like Nash fighting against say Vega or something like that, 918 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.719 and download dis replays watch them seamless. It's pretty cool. That's cool. 919 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:45.519 Yeah, very excited for it. Nice to see that thing actually shape 920 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:47.400 up really well over the course of multiple beta periods, you know. Yeah, 921 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.800 it's got a lot better after after the just unthinkable train wreck of the 922 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:54.039 first and second betas. Oh yeah, they were terrible. Yeah, you 923 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.960 couldn't even kind it's completely unable. Yeah, in a lot of cases, 924 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.599 the neck which was just like completely unplayable. Also, it's like why I 925 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.000 even bother at this point, but yeah, I barely got to touch those. 926 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.920 So this was an actual data and not just they had everybody in locked 927 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.039 except for the one well, I just mean like they actually they actually made 928 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:14.920 progress over the course of they derived useful data and exactly. They made a 929 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.119 lot of balance changes along the way too, didn't they. Yeah, this 930 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:22.239 has been yeah, changes with each new period, significant ones that but yeah, 931 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.639 not there's still a lot of unanswered things, you know, specifically like 932 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:28.159 lobbies. Ye, how that's all gonna work out? Oh? Sure? 933 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.079 Like yeah, we were even talking about it on the show. So I'm 934 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.119 like, like, would you be able to create a lobby between both platforms? 935 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:37.119 Like I guess none of that stuff is assumes so yeah, I'm assuming 936 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.000 so yeah, because it seems like everything's tied to your your fighter and like 937 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.760 ID so you should be able to send invites via that, but I don't 938 00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.280 know. I don't know for sure. Fingers crossed. Yeah, so it's 939 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.079 good to hear that stuff is working well considering you know, they delayed all 940 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:53.519 the story stuff, Like that's kind of all there's going to be, right, 941 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.440 Yeah, that's like if the competitive aspect of it wasn't working, right, 942 00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.159 there's kind of no game there. Yeah. I will say I'm a 943 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:01.559 little bummed about the story mode, but it's like, I don't know, 944 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.119 that's right. You weren't here last week when we talked about that news. 945 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.320 What did you say, just so the thing I would say, yeah, 946 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.639 exactly. The thing I would say is that you want to have that story 947 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.880 mode there for when your game launch is broken and you can't play online because 948 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.280 the net code is fucked and the matching servers are down and all this other 949 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:21.599 stuff. Having a story mode really helps. Yeah, kind of also just 950 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.360 having something that'll like, you know, expose like players to a lot of 951 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.559 the different characters and some of that different stuff, like while they're getting started. 952 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.440 I think it's it's probably something that matters more for people that are a 953 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:35.719 little less interested in the competitive end of things. Also, they released a 954 00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:37.280 trailer of like some of the features that are coming out, you know, 955 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.199 the kind of detail things that are going on in the Fighter network and all 956 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.559 the networking stuff. But also like uh spelled at, like survival mode, 957 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.280 story mode, shit like that, and some costumes you're going to be able 958 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.960 to unlock by going through you know, story mode or survival So that'll that's 959 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.239 kind of disappointing that it's going to be locked away for a little while. 960 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:59.119 Yeah, was it three months? Four months? I said? For stories? 961 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:00.719 Sure, it's not too bad, I guess, but I mean this 962 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.400 is I don't even think I ever finished Arcade Mode in Street Fighter four, 963 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.239 like it, like the stuff I thought you unlocked something, but you get 964 00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:12.400 like titles and icons and stuff. Maybe you can you unlock the like per 965 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.440 character voice language setting. I think by finishing arcade mode, don't give it 966 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.920 Yeah, yeah, no totally, And I think yeah for it's it's like 967 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.760 a call of duty situation, Like you know, plenty of players will not 968 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:28.400 give a fuck, but I think to fully reach this wider audience that they 969 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.480 seem to be aiming at, like it would, they'd be better off launching 970 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.920 with all those pieces in place. I think without story mode, like story 971 00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:37.239 mode is the thing that you want at launch, not four months later, 972 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.599 because four months later, anyone that bought it at launch will have either gotten 973 00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:44.079 good or stopped caring by then. Sure, so like launching it late, 974 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:45.920 it's just like, Okay, this serves no purpose. Now it's surprising, 975 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.480 but whatever. Yeah it's not, it's not that big of a deal. 976 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.880 It's it's also yeah, not not the main thing I want at a street 977 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:59.079 Fighter. But Mortal Kombat showed us that there is room for good, dumb 978 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.400 story stuff. There's a better way. Yeah, that game soon like two 979 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.440 weeks or something right two weeks as of today's crazy well yeah as of recording, 980 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:09.719 so yeah, sixteenth. Yeah, and the launch is right up against 981 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.079 Project cross Zone too, So I don't know what the fun I'm gonna doing. 982 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.119 Man, I mean, battle lines are being drawn, but also, 983 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.719 like, you know, forget about both those games. Like, I'm already 984 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.400 so deep into Nitro Plus Blasters hero Eroine's Infinite Duel. I don't want to 985 00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:23.920 talk about this game. So yeah, Jeff sent me a code for this, 986 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:27.639 just like you know, tongue in cheeks like, oh, exciting God 987 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.679 coming your way to not tell him what the game was Like, we get 988 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:36.239 st and loaded up. It's Nitro Plus Blasters Aroin's Infinite Duel. I'm like, 989 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.880 oh, thanks, all my favorite visual novel stars in one fighting game. 990 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:46.880 This is great. What games are represented here for super fant Phantom of 991 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:51.320 Something? I looked it up at one point I didn't even want to go 992 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.320 that far, but Supersonico is in it. Supersonico is really fucking cool, 993 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.159 my favorite. She doesn't like use normal attacks. She throws cats. She 994 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.920 throws cats, and if she's an assist character, she just comes in with 995 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:06.239 a whole band. It starts playing music. And little bubbles come out of 996 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.000 the band and as if you as the fighter collect the bubbles, you get 997 00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:12.280 better attack. But it depends life back stuff like that. So it is 998 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.920 a pretty bare bones like anime fighting game, but it's so like fucking over 999 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.320 the top. It's bare bones in a way that like it makes it accessible, 1000 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.159 Like it's not meters or systems that you have to really memorize. You 1001 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:25.599 know, it's Jordan. You can play it. You can play it. 1002 00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:30.280 It's an anime fighting game that you can play. But like all the super 1003 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.719 moves are just like these really animations partners and stuff, and there's just so 1004 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:39.199 much crazy shit going like Ultra or whatever you want to call it. Is 1005 00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:43.440 like she's a okay, she's an assassin, right, okay, but she 1006 00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.480 looks like a fourteen year old girl, but she's a murdering girl. And 1007 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:50.760 so she'll jump off screen and a radical appears and you have to aim the 1008 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:52.440 radical at the other fighter who can still move, and then hit the button 1009 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:58.880 and then it'll cut to anime of her fucking laying prone with a fucking sniper 1010 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:04.719 right bipod odd this is shoot though, and then fucking shoots and if you 1011 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:06.719 line it up right, it hits and does a bunch of damage. If 1012 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:09.280 you didn't, then it just fucking cracks the screen. Uh and and then 1013 00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:15.039 the fight continues. Say this game's got style. Sure, it has an 1014 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.920 anime stuff has an anime style, all right, And the story and the 1015 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:23.280 another story modes are just some visual novel ass visual novel. Teach your heart 1016 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:30.440 out street Fighter five. Yeah. Yeah, there's some guest characters see from 1017 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:34.559 like non visual novel stuff like arcand of Hearts and like, I think they're 1018 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.320 not in there yet. I think they'll be available. They'll be free at 1019 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.559 launch for like the first four weeks. It's like downloadable add ons and those 1020 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:45.559 as like March first, they'll start charging. Yeah. Yeah games that game 1021 00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:51.480 is is accessible and and actually pretty fun. I'm curious to see if the 1022 00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.639 net code's any good because I've not found anyone playing it because it's not out 1023 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:59.480 here yet, so it would Yeah, I defin't been matching its like April 1024 00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.840 one, P three or something. Wow, So it came out on PS 1025 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:06.280 four in December over there, I think. Okay, despite the discussion that 1026 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:07.159 just took place, I don't think I can tell you a single one of 1027 01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.440 the words in the title of this game. I mean, okay, Nitro 1028 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:14.360 Plus. It's the name of the company. Okay that makes all of these 1029 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:19.960 visual novels. Okay, this is nitro Plus Blasters Colin Heroin's Infinite Duels. 1030 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.719 They are the blasters. It might have Tilda's around those final words, like 1031 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:27.119 an anime. So each fighter is a blaster? Is that what I'm actually 1032 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.800 yes, I believe it. Each fighter is a blaster. And in the 1033 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:34.159 story mode, they are all given evil smartphones that cause them to fight. 1034 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.639 Wait, they weren't fighting already, No, they were visual They're all from 1035 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:42.440 different times and stuff. So it's this kind of like Quake three O anime 1036 01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.800 visual novel carols are speaking my language. We should we should do something with 1037 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.280 that. Yeah, we're yeah, we're gonna today. I think we're gonna 1038 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:52.239 do Okay, okay, great, that sounds like something that needs to be 1039 01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:57.960 on the website. It's it's not bad. Okay, it's not bad, 1040 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:02.119 all right. That's it was like a cautious stamp of approval. Take that 1041 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:07.679 as you will. I'm not ready to fully say yeah, buyer, buyer. 1042 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.000 I mean, hey, we're not applying we're not applying science here. 1043 01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:15.039 That it's not This is just not being ranked or anything exact. Okay, 1044 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:21.719 all right, good to know nitro plus blasters, Rowin's infinite. Yeah, 1045 01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:23.559 it took me got it to remember that? Got it? All right? 1046 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.000 Now we know now we can lose. All right, let's talk about the 1047 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:34.320 news. The headlines headline the first electronic Arts. Perhaps you've heard of this 1048 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:39.480 company? Are they stalwart supporters of the Electronic Entertainment Expo? Oh? Yeah, 1049 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:44.559 okay, they made having They made the one on one Yes, Doctor 1050 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.400 Doctor j Larry broken classic. That's them. Yeah, that's where they have 1051 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.280 whatever happened to them. That's a cool game. They should make another one. 1052 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:52.760 The angry Jamier had to sweep it up when you broke the backboard. 1053 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:57.840 He's pissed. Yeah. EA is not going to be exhibiting at E three 1054 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.480 this year. They have them they Yeah, they will not have a booth 1055 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:04.239 for the first time since the three started. EA will not have a booth 1056 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.280 at E three. Yeah, this is where the like do they lose their 1057 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:12.119 spot? Isn't like as like that like white Konami held onto theirs? Yeah, 1058 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.760 like one of the most damn the damnest thing I've ever seen at E 1059 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.280 three was that empty ass Konami booth like I think it was two years ago. 1060 01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.760 Yeah, like a tiny little like meetings last year they had the fob 1061 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:27.639 set up right, yes, but two e threes ago it was literally a 1062 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.199 giant empty red carpet with like a little meeting room in the middle where you 1063 01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.519 could see MGS five and you could even film the monitors at right right, 1064 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.760 but mostly empty floor space because they were literally just reserving their spot on the 1065 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.920 E three floor because because that's how contentious that stuff is. Yeah, so 1066 01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:44.760 I mean unless you know, I, yes, I would assume that they 1067 01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.679 would immediately lose their spot and have to go to the back of the line 1068 01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:52.000 if they wanted booth space after this. Yeah. Uh. Instead, they 1069 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:55.800 are having their own event, yeah, for like two days, three days, 1070 01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.480 right La and London. Yes, it's called EA Play and these will 1071 01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:01.599 be open to the public. That's why it's like people are like, why 1072 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:05.679 would they hold something in London when everyone's at E three. It's because they're 1073 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.079 gonna let some people into this thing, so not like a Nintendo Direct kind 1074 01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.559 of situation. They will also have a press conference that they will Yeah, 1075 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:15.079 so that's kicking off. This starts so basically E three. The first day 1076 01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:16.480 of E three is Tuesday, I believe, and this is two days before 1077 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:21.000 on Sunday, So this is the day before the press conference day. Ye, 1078 01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:22.880 it's like the Betheza spot from last year, right, yes, kind 1079 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.639 of sort of yeah, yes, also worth mentioning Bethez. Like hours before 1080 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:30.360 this podcast is you know, they have announced that they are doing another press 1081 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:32.519 conference. What are they going to Sunday evening, just like they did this 1082 01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:38.159 past year. Doom, Doom Rage two, Dishonor to Wet two thousands, 1083 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:43.400 like you know, Dom Doom and Dishonor Too Are those are definitely games to 1084 01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:47.920 show they still have that free to play game that battle Cry battle Cry unless 1085 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.000 that studio got shut down or something. I feel like I've it's been so 1086 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.679 long so we've heard anything about that game that I'm not wondering if it still 1087 01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:57.280 exists. Did they mention it at their big E three thing last year? 1088 01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.760 Yeah? Yes, there they should footage of Yeah I played that the year 1089 01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:05.639 before. I think you know that you could see him, you can see 1090 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:10.239 him announcing the fallout for delC there or something like that. They'll have stuff, 1091 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.480 yeah, but you know they'll be Sunday evening, just like they were 1092 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.559 last year. But I feel like that Battle Cry game will get totally chewed 1093 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:19.039 up by the all the action MOBI stuff that's happening right now. That that 1094 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:21.679 was not the game they were trying to make, was like a this MOBI 1095 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:26.400 type thing. But I feel like the kind of third person action has just 1096 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:30.599 suddenly all gotten swallowed up by people trying to make fancy mobis Paragon and whatnot. 1097 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.440 Overwatch Battle Battle Barns coming out soon. God, Okay, it's hobby 1098 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:39.159 grade. Yeah, so I hear. Are you guys excited to have like 1099 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:44.159 an additional wells? So I'm looking at this story that Austin wrote on the 1100 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:46.519 site, and it answers the big question I had going into this, which 1101 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:51.199 was what would happen to eas traditional press conference slot because they're so they're doing 1102 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:55.679 a live stream thing at one pm on that Sunday to kind of kick this 1103 01:04:55.719 --> 01:05:00.840 whole thing off, and it sounds like that live stream will replace the press 1104 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.639 conference they traditionally would have Monday afternoon. So what does that do to that? 1105 01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:10.719 Because that the Monday afternoon slot is an eesa, So does that mean 1106 01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:15.719 another publisher gets to slide into that official press conference they wanted it, huh, 1107 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:17.119 if they wanted to Bubies get one of those, right, yeah, 1108 01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:20.800 you's already got one, and then the three hardware makers obviously, so maybe 1109 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.679 kind of moving into that space if they wanted to know, they already announce 1110 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:29.039 Bethesa already anounced. Theirs is still Sunday Night, Okay, So maybe another 1111 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:31.320 publisher joins the fray. I don't know, Activision, maybe you know, 1112 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.760 who would be big enough to kind of carry Yeah, that size of slot, 1113 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.559 It would make the most sense for sure. But no, Activision doesn't 1114 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:43.360 really do a lot at E three. Yeah, like compared to some other 1115 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.920 publishers, you know, they like a Take two or two K or Take 1116 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.440 two. Doesn't seem like they hit the three particularly hard. Really. They 1117 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:53.239 rarely do rock star stuff. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, the rock 1118 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.400 star is pretty much not at E three. Yeah, in in that kind 1119 01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.800 of capacity anyway. And yeah, it's we Actually they ended up talking a 1120 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:06.039 little bit about E three just last week and now this happened. Yeah, 1121 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:11.480 and E three seems like it's just become cyclical U and it rose out of 1122 01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:15.400 the ashes of that Santa Monica stuff. And like I said, you know, 1123 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.000 it's like people are. You start to hear more and more people questioning 1124 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:20.920 what the value for out of E three is, especially for a company the 1125 01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:26.679 size of EA, which has the marketing cloud, the size and scope and 1126 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:31.159 breadth and connections to do everything they need to do without any three. Uh. 1127 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.119 You know, I got some questions for people saying, well, well, 1128 01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:36.760 what about the retailers. It's like, well, you know, all 1129 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:41.039 the big publishers meet with retailers constantly, they travel around to do that. 1130 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:44.039 They go pitch their games directly to retailer, retailers have their own events. 1131 01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:46.880 No, yeah, exactly so, and increasingly retail is not I mean, 1132 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.159 it's still a factor, but it's not the soul factor. Like so, 1133 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.440 as you look at more and more publishers trying to line up their own direct 1134 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:59.679 conduits to the audience by passing the press, bypassing these you know, shows 1135 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:01.559 where they are competing with other publishers and all this other stuff, and kind 1136 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:06.599 of trying to set themselves up starting their own blogs all this. Like you 1137 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:09.599 know, you do start to look at it and go like, well, 1138 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:12.880 I mean, just you know, from the business end of things, what 1139 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.039 is the return on investment for buying that big gass booth space at E three? 1140 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:20.159 What are you actually getting by letting E three attendees show up and player 1141 01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:24.000 games there? Like? Who are these people? What? What? Again? 1142 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:26.800 Just like what's the raw value that you can't do on your own? 1143 01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:30.199 And that's for different companies. They'll they'll have different answers for E For EA, 1144 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:32.719 I'm sure that they have plenty of ways to do exactly what they do 1145 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:36.360 at E three on their own, right in their own venue, like without 1146 01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:40.559 following the ESA's rules. Just kind of you know, yeah, they're kind 1147 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:44.480 of free to do whatever they want. I guess that's kind of it for 1148 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.280 this. You know, it's mostly just a kind of an end of an 1149 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:50.519 era thing, you know. Sure, one of the last biggest publishers pulling 1150 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:55.119 out of the biggest trade event in the industry, you know, like Activision 1151 01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:57.079 did, yeah, you know a while back, and they got back in 1152 01:07:57.239 --> 01:07:58.880 and they're at the very back of the floor, you know, with their 1153 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:02.880 giant weird boots. Indeed, Yeah, I don't know, it's uh, 1154 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:09.000 we'll see, Yeah, it's it's you know, I don't, I don't. 1155 01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.280 This is not the start of a trend. This is not like fucking 1156 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:13.639 doom and gloom for E three. I don't think, although I will say 1157 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:17.800 it was this E three and not last three that there was a Sega uh 1158 01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:23.880 story attached to right? Hasn't it been a handful of months that that Sega 1159 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:27.560 said they weren't gonna be there? I don't actually that wasn't That wasn't last 1160 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.119 E three? Was it? Maybe it was last three? I don't know. 1161 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:31.399 They all run together. This couldn't tell you the last time we went 1162 01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:35.439 and saw Sega three, To be honest, Sega, I remember Sega's conspicuously 1163 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:39.000 stopped having a booth a D three and I can't I remember they Sega? 1164 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.479 Was it Judges week? Like two years ago? With it was? It 1165 01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.039 was the year that I had like was trying to pull people aside and go 1166 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:46.600 where the fuck is pso two? What are you doing? So that's how 1167 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:50.119 long ago it was, Yes, And it was the year that they had 1168 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:58.239 whatever that that shitty fucking Sonic reboot which one generations, the one where where 1169 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.039 is fucking legs weren't blue? Where arms worth the right color? Whatever? 1170 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:08.720 One? The most recent one where they did the cartoon for lost Sonicom Booom 1171 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:12.880 Sonic Boom, Yes, the one they had Sonic Boom there before it was 1172 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:16.239 out, So it was that year was that last year year before? It 1173 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.399 was two years Yeah, I think it's two years ago now, but that 1174 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:25.079 was so Sega was there with that stuff with like here's crazy taxi on phones 1175 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.319 and hot emikos over here in the corner doing her thing, and then they 1176 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:34.560 were they were not aliens. That was the aliens there too, So yeah, 1177 01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:40.159 I don't know, it's I think that like the you know, whatever 1178 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:45.000 the world has changed and the return on like the money you spend on E 1179 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.640 three. You know, everyone probably should be looking at that and trying to 1180 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:53.720 determine if that's the best place to to spend all their money. I know, 1181 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:59.359 like from from like the coverage end of things, like it's it's incredibly 1182 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:03.680 valuable for like traffic, you know, like websites set to break their traffic 1183 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:09.399 records at E three, that sort of thing. Advertisers like to be attached 1184 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:13.159 to big events, and a lot of advertisers have been convinced that E three 1185 01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:16.399 is a very big event that they should sponsor. So if that stuff starts 1186 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:24.279 to slide, then there's large problems for UH websites that build their advertising around 1187 01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.760 that. Sort of stuff or that make a lot of their money on on 1188 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.520 the E three that that would be that could be bad for them with it's 1189 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.159 streaming their stuff directly, you know, but they have been for a while, 1190 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:39.520 you know, and presumably EA would still let those outlets. I mean, 1191 01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:41.840 this is still attached to E three. It's the day before, you 1192 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:45.680 know it the day before the week starts anyway, so you know, presumably 1193 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.119 they would still be like, oh, yeah, you want to restream our 1194 01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:49.560 press conference, Come bring your internet in here, you know, come up 1195 01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:53.439 here, hook up your boxes and do your thing. Like we'll still watch 1196 01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.439 a stream and probably yell over it, I presume. Yeah, I don't 1197 01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:58.760 feel like this change is a whole lot for us. You know, that's 1198 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:01.880 one less booth to go see a show, one which more like one more 1199 01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:05.960 event before E three starts, potentially to worry about going right and the I 1200 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:11.439 mean, I think the extent of my my EA coverage last year was like 1201 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.199 going and well so they're always a judge's week also, which is their opportunity 1202 01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:19.359 to talk to everyone about sports games. And they showed Unravel there and Planters 1203 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:24.680 Zombies to yeah I want to play that and they that was when they had 1204 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.159 first started talking about Need for Speed was there also, So they do that 1205 01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:30.920 and maybe they would still be a part of that, who knows. But 1206 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.680 like at E three proper, like all I did with EA's stuff is I 1207 01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:39.560 went and played Battlefront and I went played in Need for Speed. Yeah, 1208 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:42.079 I remember that, that's right, and that was I mean, Mirror's Edge 1209 01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:43.920 was there. I think Alex went and play mirrors Egge. So like they 1210 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:45.840 had stuff there was worth seeing, but it was like it was very just 1211 01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:47.680 like you know, it's it's a couple of games. It's a few games 1212 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:50.439 that they show in a playable form. So if they're going to let the 1213 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:54.479 public into this thing, in some ways you could look at that as them 1214 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.079 trying to say like, hey, we've got enough stuff here that we want. 1215 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.920 We think the public will have a good time at our event. So 1216 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.239 I mean, but like, what do they have. It's still Mirror's Edge 1217 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:10.039 that's out. By then it was spect Andromeda, another another collection of sports 1218 01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:15.399 games. Like they typically for E three they'll have Madden Hockey, they had 1219 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:21.239 Golf playable, they had FIFA playable, so like the those those sports games 1220 01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:25.560 in a playable format is typically what they have and in E three time pramps, 1221 01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:29.479 they could show that stuff, that stuff that doesn't necessarily play super well 1222 01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:30.800 at E three because I think a lot of people in our line of work 1223 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:35.039 don't care about sports, and it's hard for them to get the coverage that 1224 01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:39.119 they probably think those games deserve based on how well they sell. Like, 1225 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:42.640 you know, it's just a lot of the outlets aren't don't aren't not equipped 1226 01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:45.640 to care. Right, we even have a sports guy, but it's not 1227 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:50.600 even necessarily like like preview coverage of a sports game not really a critical, 1228 01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:55.479 huge, critical thing for a video game website. I'm sure that a lot 1229 01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:58.039 have plenty of stuff to fill out an event of this nature, though, 1230 01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:00.920 I think so too. Yeah, I just you know, they've like it 1231 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:04.880 feels like e A is a very different company now. Yeah, you know, 1232 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:06.920 it feels like they they've kind of turned it around, got their start 1233 01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:09.359 price in order, and now it's like, well, okay, what are 1234 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.520 they really making? It seems like they're making less stuff, right, I 1235 01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:16.359 mean, maybe I don't know. Was the biggest surprise that I've seen on 1236 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.199 it? Yeah? I mean I guess Battle for It was kind of their 1237 01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:24.359 one and only huge Q four release, right, Yeah, like they just 1238 01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:27.239 feel like they're not putting out as much they need for speed. I guess 1239 01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:32.359 that still tracks right as a major release, Yeah that game? Yeah, 1240 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.800 sure, yes, in a world where there are four driving games, it 1241 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:40.439 is at least a quarter of the Marks one of the Bears. Sure, 1242 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:43.800 huh. Yeah, yeah, I guess they have scaled down a little bit. 1243 01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:45.399 But you know they also seem to be like that. You know, 1244 01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:47.880 they seem to It's it's I say, it's not scaled down, it's that 1245 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.479 they seem focused. Yes, they seem more like leaner, you know, 1246 01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:56.239 like the investment world seems very happy with It's like they're trying to like make 1247 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.920 their hits hit. Yeah uh, and not waste bunch time on stuff that 1248 01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.279 the people don't want. But they've already said that they'll have another battlefield this 1249 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:08.039 year, so oh yeah, you could see that being announced. Yeah for 1250 01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:12.199 sure. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's strange, but yeah, 1251 01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:15.039 I don't think it's a huge change. It's not like some giant doom and 1252 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:17.279 gloom thing. But you know, I am looking forward to seeing you three 1253 01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:19.399 evolved in some way. Yeah. It was one of the very stack. 1254 01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:23.039 YEAHA was one of the first big companies to say, fuck it, we're 1255 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.680 launching our own YouTube channel, fuck it, We're launching a blog. We're 1256 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:30.640 hiring X game writers, X game journalists to run our blog. You know, 1257 01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:32.439 like like they were, they seemed like they were pretty early on that 1258 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:36.319 stuff. So it seems like they're they're always very keen on trying to figure 1259 01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:41.039 out what the best way is to like talk directly to their customers instead of 1260 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:46.960 filtering it through assholes like us. Sure so whatever, Yeah, cool, 1261 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:51.840 Well there's all mass Effect is good. Yeah, that's that's the end of 1262 01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.600 that stories. I fucking certainly mass Effect better be fucking good. I think 1263 01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:00.560 I think we can all agree with that. Well, EA has cleared out 1264 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:04.319 a bunch of space at Eddie three. Maybe game Stop I'm moving to it. 1265 01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:10.319 This is a great transition. I just want to thank you. Yes, 1266 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:13.760 think how well done that is? Yeah, Dan, what the hell 1267 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.359 is going on with game Stop? They're publishing an Insomniac game? Yeah what? 1268 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:21.600 Yeah? Yeah? Yeah yeah, Like I almost feel bad for the 1269 01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:26.479 Insomniac game. I feel like it maybe got kind of like washed away a 1270 01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:30.640 little bit with this bigger story of like, hey, game stop publishing games 1271 01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:33.960 in addition to selling them. Now, yeah, what what are you glowering 1272 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:36.439 over there? It's just the taste that it left in my mouth. It's 1273 01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:42.600 like a cool new Insomniac game, hushed by games Well, it's like it's 1274 01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:46.279 it's a digital release that is also like physical copies will be exclusive to game 1275 01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:53.520 Stop. Looka what's the name of the game, and they're gonna do a 1276 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:56.520 whole like merchandise run and stores. That was a little weird to me, 1277 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:00.239 Like yeah, obviously, like you know, plastic packaged goods are are like 1278 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:02.720 huge profit drivers or whatever, but like this is an unproven property that nobody's 1279 01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:06.000 ever heard of, Like it's maybe a little premature to like be making figures. 1280 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.720 Yeah, that's a little like Passion Project getting much of shelf space for 1281 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.239 it. Seemed like that was the quote that Insomniac had a bunch of people 1282 01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.199 down there to see the game, and also they had a game Stop person 1283 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:18.319 there too, like interview from the from the looks of the coverage, that's 1284 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.800 that's my guess. But the game sounds cool and like you hear you see 1285 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:26.960 the term like Passion Project, like it was like fifteen people like you see 1286 01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:30.359 it like this is a super tiny game from Insomniac to be making it was 1287 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.079 almost like the grow Home situation. Yeah, or you know, like I 1288 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.279 mean, they straight upset it. They used to use the word metroidvania. 1289 01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:39.960 So yeah, you can envision it being something like a shadow complexity kind of 1290 01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:42.920 scale. Maybe, yeah, maybe like that. It could be cool. 1291 01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:46.760 And then game Stop will publish physic physical versions of it along with toys and 1292 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:50.640 stuff, which wonder what the trade in Billy is going to be. That's 1293 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:57.199 a good power to the players. Yeah, I said in the news story. 1294 01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:00.760 It's just not that surprising necessarily, considering you know, they're a brick 1295 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.199 and mortar store that has built themselves on buying and selling used games, and 1296 01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.279 you know they're they're not idiots you would assume at the corporate level, and 1297 01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:10.760 they see that that market might not be the same in five or ten years. 1298 01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.279 So they've been thrown shit of the wall for a while now. I 1299 01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:15.960 mean they bought that congregate, that flash gaming site back in twenty ten, 1300 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.640 I think did a lot with that, bought all those like used max stores. 1301 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:24.239 Yeah, yeah, I just want I don't want to like like, 1302 01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:28.039 look, I get it, flash games are funny, but trimps is on 1303 01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:32.039 Concord game all right. Yeah, and then yeah, the Mac thing is 1304 01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:35.079 it's just like phones if they buy and sell used phones mainly. Is this 1305 01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:39.239 mobile? Yeah, it's it's not even a max store, it's just called 1306 01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:44.479 simply. I've never actually seen one of them. There's like seventy six locations 1307 01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:45.840 and they're all owned by game Stop. But yeah, I mean it makes 1308 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:47.520 sense. They got to throw a bunch of shit of the wall and see 1309 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:50.439 what sticks. And yeah, totally. It's such a weird market, especially 1310 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:53.600 with like you know, best I get into like used game sales and stuff. 1311 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.399 Oh, Amazon, like they're what is it twenty percent off if you 1312 01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:00.239 pre order game through Amazon? Like why would I think it lasts like after 1313 01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:02.840 the game is out so you can actually like wait and see if the reviews 1314 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:04.840 are any good. Shit, I still get a save. Oh wow, 1315 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:08.960 I thought, So that's the Amazon Prime discount, right. Sure we should 1316 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:11.760 point out I believe you have to have one hundred dollar Prime subscription. But 1317 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.560 but yeah, I mean they pre orders are a huge thing for them, 1318 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.760 and people going in and buying them physically, and the days of the midnight 1319 01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:21.680 launch and all that stuff are are gone. It's obviously way better to have 1320 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.800 a game at your door day of you know, twenty percent off with Amazon 1321 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:29.760 or preloaded on Steam or any of the consoles or whatever. So yeah, 1322 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:32.119 that's it doesn't surprise me. It's just it's weird to see them listed as 1323 01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:35.680 a publisher. I think it creates a really weird situation too, where you 1324 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:41.119 know, like game Stop has to work with every single publisher making physical objects 1325 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:45.000 in video gaming, you know, yea two K like everybody and all like 1326 01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:48.760 like we just finished saying all of those publishers go and talk to game Stop 1327 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:53.800 and every other retailer and start to negotiate for like end cap space and you 1328 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:55.840 know, hey, we want to do this marketing thing or hey, you 1329 01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:59.399 know you're you're gonna get the bearded reu, which is the most popular of 1330 01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:02.079 our alternate costumes because your game Stop and you're going to promote our games to 1331 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:05.760 be able to believe the proper term is hot. Sorry, he really is. 1332 01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:10.960 Yea chun Ley is in a in a cop outfit is pretty good as 1333 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:17.600 well. Yeah, she's like Hong Kong cop like like we're talking yeah, 1334 01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:20.960 like John Luke kind of stuff. Yeah, okay, that sort of look 1335 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:26.840 all right, So, like all of these big publishers with their big games 1336 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:30.239 that will you know, probably out sell this Passion Project are gonna, well 1337 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:33.279 whatever, this game is not out in the holiday time frame, so it's 1338 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:36.199 not you know, a super crowded channel at that time, right, But 1339 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:40.920 like still the idea that like, oh hey, we're gonna totally put our 1340 01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:44.479 own game with all these toys and all this other stuff and take up a 1341 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:46.199 bunch of shelf space for it. Like how do you think they're going to 1342 01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:49.439 be pushing those fucking pre orders? Like how are they they'll be pushing that 1343 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:54.000 stuff, you know, instead of some of these other publishers games. So 1344 01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:58.079 you have to wonder like if they got too deep into publishing their own games 1345 01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:00.399 at some point, would actual publishers be like, well, we're not going 1346 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.399 to work with you, Like we can't get what we need from you guys 1347 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.199 anymore because you're clogging it up with your own stuff. So you know, 1348 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:11.840 hey, you know hot Reu goes to Best Buy next time? That can 1349 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:13.840 happen. I mean, I don't see, you know, a lot of 1350 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:17.600 hats on on the Steam Store. You know, Valve keeps their stuff pretty 1351 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:20.239 low key. I don't know, if I trust game spot too, our 1352 01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:27.359 game Stop sorry, yeah, have the same exercise the same restraint. Yeah 1353 01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:32.439 yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird times that we live in, but 1354 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:34.680 we shall see. Yeah, you're right, that's Jeff, this is not 1355 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:38.840 the game that that's going to happen with no, but no, it could 1356 01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:41.840 get there. It's you know that that the game is out in April or 1357 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:44.239 May or something. It's like, it's it's not too far off, so 1358 01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:46.760 you know, that's not going to be a super crowded time for retail. 1359 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:53.239 It's curious if it's a one off or not. Right, I'm sure it's 1360 01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:56.640 experiment for everyone involved. You know, Insomniac probably you know, had the 1361 01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:00.640 resources and ability to totally publish that game digitally on their own. It was 1362 01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:01.880 probably just a case of like, oh, you'd be nice to do physical 1363 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:04.359 stuff, like but why would we do it with you guys, And they're 1364 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.159 like, well how about we do toys, and like okay, And I'm 1365 01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:12.239 guessing that's how one who knows, But yeah, I'm sure it's just you 1366 01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:15.119 know, it's it's probably free money for Insomniac and free promotion for Insomniac, 1367 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:18.720 and then game Stop gets to try their hand at this fucking weird thing. 1368 01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:23.840 Are we going to the Game Stop manager's conference to get some hands on time? 1369 01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:28.760 Sadly we did not get invited. Oh they're they're an event, being 1370 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:30.960 that we're not owned by I've gotten to a couple yet. Yeah, yeah, 1371 01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:33.760 there's there's something else. Are they are there? They in Vegas? 1372 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:38.159 Uh, it was in Vegas, went in San Antonio another years, it 1373 01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:40.319 was around. Yeah, I never got to go when I actually worked at 1374 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:43.239 the story level. Should should we should all become Game Stop managers and then 1375 01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:45.199 we can go. No, I'm okay. Stop managers are very proud of 1376 01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:47.399 themselves that they get to go to those things. Yeah. When I worked 1377 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.199 at the story level, it is Oh we got a free copy of San 1378 01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:55.359 Andreas? Is it? Is it? Every manager, every manager is invited. 1379 01:21:55.640 --> 01:21:59.239 Yes, they're very excited about the opportunity and they have a great time. 1380 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.520 Yes, when I when I worked, when I've heard that, sorry, 1381 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:05.720 I've heard that these managers actually get out of control and fucking scary. 1382 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:09.439 I've had a couple of people said like, oh, it's like a roving 1383 01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:12.000 band of Game Stop managers treating me like I'm a piece of meat, and 1384 01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:15.279 that I'm here to serve them drinks and nothing else. And like I've heard, 1385 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:19.279 I've heard stories about the Game Stop Managers conference from people that were exhibiting 1386 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:23.520 there and people that happened to be in the area, Like, it doesn't 1387 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.319 Yeah, I didn't really hang out with a lot of managers. I guess 1388 01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:28.760 I wouldn't paint them with a broad brush. But it just sounds like, 1389 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.840 you know, there's just a few incidents of a few incidents too many that 1390 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:33.960 have heard about to go like, oh man, that thing sounds like a 1391 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:36.920 fucking nightmare. When I worked at EB, which granted was not part of 1392 01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:41.279 Game Stop at the time, my assistant manager was a little too interested in 1393 01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:45.880 hitting on fifteen year old girls too, And how old is in his thirties 1394 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:50.800 tool that too? He I mean this was about this was seventeen, seventeen 1395 01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:55.279 years ago, so it was okay then, I'm just saying lots of time. 1396 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:59.319 My memory is a little hazy, but yeah, it was. It 1397 01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:03.720 was a ski situation, as I'm sure the game that the manager's convention can 1398 01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:09.279 sometimes be. Yeah, get all those guys together all at once in Vegas. 1399 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:15.520 We're San Antonio the Alamo. Hey, you know exactly how crazy San 1400 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:24.920 Antonio. It's true. I've seen the horrors firsthand. Yeah, true horrors, 1401 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:31.319 lax John Cena. Management shake up at Bungee. Oh yeah, yeah, 1402 01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:35.880 they're former they're now former president Harold Ryan whos stepped down. They have 1403 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:40.760 a new CEO. He's Pete Parsons. Pete Parsons, you've heard that name. 1404 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:43.319 I have because he's put at Bungee forever. Yeah, I mean he 1405 01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:45.399 was always kind of like the face of Bungee. Yeah, yeah, so 1406 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.640 I was. I was not when this story came out. I mean they 1407 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:50.479 announced with themselves, they posted the thing on their blogs saying, hey, 1408 01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.840 this is happening. Was he pissed that, like the Arbiter get released in 1409 01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.880 Killy got announced. I think that's why. Ow is that who it is? 1410 01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:00.279 Yeah? Or is that one hundred per Second Firm? So yeah, 1411 01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:03.800 there was like, yeah, there's a teaser out there that Ki season three, 1412 01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:06.600 we'll have a Halo character in it, Arban, that's that's you know, 1413 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:11.680 that's a better choice than you know, just another random ass spartan that 1414 01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.880 they made up for a fighting game. What unless unless it was the exact 1415 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:18.199 same what was her name? Nicole? Okay, Okay, if it was 1416 01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:23.079 the same one, that would be Spartan four. I think I forget the 1417 01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:25.680 number, but but the arbiter is a pretty good choice too. That's that 1418 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:29.159 sounds okay? Yeah, that'll that's kind of cool. But but yeah, 1419 01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:33.039 Pete Parsons is now the CEO at Bungee. All it says is Harold Ryan 1420 01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:36.039 will be stepping down from his position as studio president. I assume that means 1421 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:40.479 he's no longer with the company. Yeah, I probably, you have to 1422 01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:43.680 guess. Yeah, uh, this whole thing kind of comes on the heels 1423 01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:47.359 of like I feel like, uh, just discontent around the state of Destiny 1424 01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:51.279 has been coming to a head in the last few weeks. Yeah, you're 1425 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:56.159 mean to read the thing that Pete Parsons posted, Sure, I mean if 1426 01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:59.079 it's yeah, I guess I'm curious to know if it actually is trying to 1427 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.800 address the received discontent around Destiny or not. Yes, yeah, they The 1428 01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.479 short answer is yes, I will read it. That sounds weird, okay, 1429 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:08.600 Okay. I want to personally thank Harold for his friendship, passion, 1430 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:12.079 hard work, and dedication in helping make Bungee the great company it is today. 1431 01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:15.399 As a team, we celebrated many victor victories and weathered many storms. 1432 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:19.479 To the players of Destiny, I want you to know that my number one 1433 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:24.760 priority and Bungees is and always has been, to deliver great games that we 1434 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.960 can all share together. I believe that Destiny is a one of a kind 1435 01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:30.920 experience. I also believe you have yet to see our studio's best work. 1436 01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:35.399 My new role here at the studio will be entirely focused on fulfilling that promise. 1437 01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:40.399 This is yet I knew that another new beginning and a new challenge for 1438 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:45.560 our studio. We remain committed to creating great experiences in Destiny. It sounds 1439 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.840 like this should have been sung at a tavern when it's a mead or something 1440 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:51.920 that probably was coat of arms on the wall. But I mean, you 1441 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:56.920 know, some of that language is pretty obviously referring to, hey, don't 1442 01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:00.560 write the game off yet. Well, I think I think you can take 1443 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:02.920 that context by, you know, some of the other stuff that has been 1444 01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:06.199 happening around the game, or the stuff that has not been happening, and 1445 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:12.039 then like what the Kataku story about, you know, perhaps the kind of 1446 01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:16.279 disc based follow up to Destiny, not making it assumed September release, so 1447 01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:18.640 we didn't talk about that when it ran a week or two ago. But 1448 01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:23.640 yeah, Kataku talked to people close to Bungee who say that Destiny two or 1449 01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:26.720 whatever it's going to be called, the full on retail follow up to Destiny 1450 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:29.720 that was slated for the September has now been de laid out of the September 1451 01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.359 name, yes, which I think they're working on. I feel like we've 1452 01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:38.920 been able to corroborate enough of Kataku's previous Destiny reporting who feel that they they 1453 01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:42.960 know people who know people or whatever. My understanding is they're fairly on point 1454 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:46.399 with that stuff. Yeah, it seems to be. But but you know, 1455 01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:49.640 on top of that, I feel like a lot of the a lot 1456 01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:53.159 of it came to head, came to a head around the announcement of this 1457 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:57.760 Valentine's event, because now that's like, who knows, maybe this thing will 1458 01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:59.760 turn out to be amazing, but like, to me, that's kind of 1459 01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:00.960 for three on, Like, well, you guys are going to run a 1460 01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:03.960 bunch of live events that are supposed to keep the game fresh, and like 1461 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:08.079 they all seem like garbage. I didn't enjoy the first two really, and 1462 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:12.479 then like I like racing made a splash, but then kind of practice was 1463 01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:14.960 bad. I didn't I didn't really have fun. Point like those those bikes 1464 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.760 just don't feel tuned to be fun to race. Uh And then yeah, 1465 01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:21.199 like like holiday themed events are not necessarily the thing that I'm missing in Destiny. 1466 01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:25.239 I want more Destiny, you know, right, give me a good 1467 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:28.479 game that does holiday themed events, like fans they're online, Yeah, I 1468 01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:30.800 mean the holiday themed events is like the bare minimum for a game with some 1469 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.680 kind of live team. Those are like, those are nice, yeah, 1470 01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:38.159 exactly exactly, Like those are nice, fun supplement to the core of your 1471 01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:41.520 game, but that core is not being updated anymore. If you think back 1472 01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:46.640 to when we you know, had uh Luke Smith and oh gosh Mark Mark 1473 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:51.520 knows on during E three, you know, it seemed like that they were 1474 01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:55.800 kind of into this idea, or at least not like accepting of this idea 1475 01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:58.079 of like, hey, you know, people aren't necessarily going to play Destiny 1476 01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:00.439 every single day, right, you know, like it's a proper MMO. 1477 01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.560 It's like, hey, you're gonna you're gonna stop playing, and then when 1478 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:04.880 we've got new stuff, you're gonna you know, dust it off and get 1479 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:11.960 back in. I think that's a reasonable approach, and and you know, 1480 01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:15.359 in some level they probably did it to themselves by trying to kind of chase 1481 01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:18.319 after so much of this MMO type stuff is not people are expecting MMO like 1482 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:24.119 results. Quantity of content like frequency of updates, Yeah, totally, which 1483 01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:27.640 you know, the business probably doesn't work out in favor of right, but 1484 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:30.760 of bunch or you do that sort of stuff by all, by all accounts, 1485 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:32.960 they are not in a technical sense like capable of delivering that. Yeah, 1486 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:35.640 that's maybe the larger problem. And who knows if you know, that 1487 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:39.960 could be a reason behind this supposed delay, and if that's the case, 1488 01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:42.359 like that's probably a good thing, right, Like if they need more time 1489 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.920 to shore up their back end and their pipeline type stuff to make this, 1490 01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:48.239 I feel like they can't. You know, at some point, putting out 1491 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:51.439 nothing is better than putting out half ass, especially if it's a disc, 1492 01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:55.960 especially if it's a full priced thing, Like yeah, half assing something out 1493 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:59.319 there and going like, well, we've killed the our ten year legacy because 1494 01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:02.520 we stumbled one too many times in a row, especially after the Launcher's original 1495 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.159 game, Like you can't do that again. Yeah, holy shit, I 1496 01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:09.479 say, kind of have to. You know. It's like they've they've said 1497 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.439 a lot of the right things. Taking King was popular, yea and good, 1498 01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:16.760 that was a fine add on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 1499 01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:20.840 it's uh yeah, they have fucking hard problems to solve. I don't envy 1500 01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:25.560 any of them. Yeah, that's crazy, but you have to assume this 1501 01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:29.640 kind of big management shift would be in the interests of doing that, or 1502 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.520 perhaps as a direct result of how things are gone right right, right right. 1503 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:35.000 Yes, not a lot else to say about that for now, but 1504 01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:39.359 I continue to hope that Destiny becomes the game I want it to be. 1505 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:41.960 Yeah, but at some point, like if if the problems with Destiny are 1506 01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:44.800 in the nuts and bolts of creation and stuff like that, Like you know, 1507 01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.479 switching out the CEO doesn't change that. Yeah, you know, there's 1508 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:53.039 pipeline that there's obviously, like management things they can do to be more efficient. 1509 01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:57.640 Who knows, but like at some point, yeah, I don't know. 1510 01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:00.119 I don't know enough about the state of their tools these days that to 1511 01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:03.720 know one way or the other. But that whole thing just sounds crazy. 1512 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:10.439 I'll continue to have high hopes for Destiny. We will see the division seems 1513 01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:13.520 like a yeah good. I mean there's no fucking hover bikes in it. 1514 01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:16.760 Do any of the guns talk, not that I've seen. See, that's 1515 01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:20.199 what I'm missing. You got a puffy coat? Yeah, I did get 1516 01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:25.119 a fucking puffy coat. Puffy coat have stats on it, So there are 1517 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:29.279 there are objects like gloves and armor and stuff like that that have your stats. 1518 01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:31.239 And then there's a cosmetic layer for your puffy coats in your hats. 1519 01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:34.680 All right, could you baby like die the puffy coat different colors? Maybe 1520 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:39.159 not. In the beta, there was no option for attaching a paint color 1521 01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:44.079 times cosmetic. They got a couple of months shaders. Can you see talk 1522 01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:49.239 again? Pratt talk wow talk. Okay, maybe they'll launch the game with 1523 01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:54.000 zero cheat protection on PC, but you'll be able to paint your puffy coat. 1524 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:57.640 That would be an acceptable trade off, all right, I could get 1525 01:30:57.680 --> 01:31:01.119 into that. Uh you got as we're gonna stream Mario Maker last week. 1526 01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:05.159 Yeah, we were going to, and then some shit happened at the last 1527 01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:10.359 possible minute. Yeah, and then Mario Maker Mario Maker went offline for a 1528 01:31:10.399 --> 01:31:13.920 couple of days. Yes, they took it down for a little bit maintenance. 1529 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:15.760 They said, yes, fixing something. They said, yeah, did 1530 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:19.960 you guys look into this glitch that supposedly happened? No, a little bit, 1531 01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:23.880 Yeah, yeah, what could you tell me? Well, why don't 1532 01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:26.800 you tell me what you saw? So, I mean this is based on 1533 01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:31.800 the reporting of one Patrick Clevick. Oh well, yeah, that's supposedly maker 1534 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:36.840 expert. Yes, obviously it's a journey journeyman Mario Maker player. I mean 1535 01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:41.880 he's made zero levels. Really, how does he not make levels at all? 1536 01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:45.680 He just plays them? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, according to his 1537 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.279 story, Uh, there was a glitch that effectively, would you let you 1538 01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:53.279 edit the levels of other creators that you downloaded? Yeah, as you were 1539 01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.840 playing them, yes, before you played them. Basically it was it's a 1540 01:31:56.960 --> 01:32:00.560 glitch that would let you edit a level, then play it, and then 1541 01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:03.399 that would those edits sound like they didn't those would not push back to the 1542 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:06.479 server just locally, but so, but so, locally you could make a 1543 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:12.319 level way easier and get an impossible clear time. Oh so you'd set a 1544 01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.079 new world record. You get on the actual version of the actual version, 1545 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:19.079 people people were posting clear times of like three seconds and stuff like that, 1546 01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:24.000 just a bit breaking the level. There have been problems with clear times since 1547 01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:27.640 they introduced them on both ends of things, Like sometimes you would, you 1548 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.279 know, you'd see a level that had a clear time of like nine nine 1549 01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:32.680 five nine nine nine nine, and you would obviously be at that time, 1550 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:36.520 but it still wouldn't update, like if there's just something broken with that levels 1551 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.439 time. So they've they've fixed that in the patch. But yeah, that 1552 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:42.880 sounds like they needed to do some more work. Yeah. Did they end 1553 01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.439 up doing a rollback or anything? I don't think so. I think it 1554 01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:49.039 was another patch, another because the game and then they took the servers down 1555 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:53.279 for maintenance or to update whatever the problem was or something I happened to bring 1556 01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:57.399 my way you in on Friday. Why is that, Bradford, because these 1557 01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:00.399 a weak ass son of a bit. We have wanted those ab We had 1558 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:03.319 a we had a moment on a live show anyway. You're right, Yes, 1559 01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:05.840 I pulled a patch for that game Friday morning. Yeah, ask the 1560 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:09.640 servers were coming back up, so they clearly fixed some stuff. Yeah that 1561 01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:15.199 was that was something felt pretty good, didn't That was pretty good? Yeah? 1562 01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:18.319 I saved myself a good Like what thirty runs through hundred marios? That's 1563 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:20.760 fun though, runs that you'll take anyway because the game is so good. 1564 01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:28.159 Yes, yeah, I did. I did a normal run Friday morning before 1565 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:30.520 I came in, and there was at least one auto play level in there. 1566 01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:31.640 Well, they don't feel them out completely, you know, it's still 1567 01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:35.039 will surface new levels and they don't know if they're automatic. That's how many 1568 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:41.640 of those levels did you skip? Auto player? Just generally like three or 1569 01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:45.840 four. Well, you have to finish sixteen to finish the challenge, so, 1570 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:47.439 Brad, thanks to those ambos, you can now finally make a Mario 1571 01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:50.520 one level based around Digby from Animal Crusts. You're right, yeah, did 1572 01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:54.199 I do that? Now? I got Digby? Which one's Digby? He's 1573 01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:57.760 the the administrative dog from Animal crust right, Okay, yes, yes, 1574 01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:00.000 the very stern looking one, right, dud. But I think he's friendly. 1575 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:03.399 I would lean toward KK Slider or probably the best perhaps pac Man. 1576 01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:06.640 I got I got a Rossetti. I got a shipping confirmation on my mister 1577 01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:10.880 Rossetti. I am locked Rossetti just by playing, So I think, okay, 1578 01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:13.880 I'm good there, all right, all right, but that felt pretty 1579 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.600 good. Yeah, it feels dirty. That's gotta feeling, oh man, 1580 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:20.319 duck hunt Rob and Game and Watch should be arriving today or tomorrow feeling dirty, 1581 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:24.680 or would be owning the amibos right. I have them organized very well 1582 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:26.479 on my shelf, but how would you put them? Yeah? I don't 1583 01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:29.399 know. Did you trying to get rid of stuff? I went to Michael's. 1584 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.840 Did you get the baseball bat? I looked at it. I almost 1585 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:36.199 got it. It was still like thirty bucks after tap off Christ and then 1586 01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:39.319 I'd realize what the funk I was doing, and I'm like, oh shit, 1587 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:42.079 no, I should count home. I should count because I think I 1588 01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:45.640 have like fucking seventeen amibos now, and I've not I've not paid for any 1589 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:51.439 of these seventeen people. Nintendo sent a bunch some some friends of the site 1590 01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:57.239 sent in a couple. You might be getting more because yeah, does somebody 1591 01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:00.359 sent me a couple of the yarn? Yeah, she's thank you much. 1592 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:03.079 But then somebody else piped up on Twitter saying that they were working on a 1593 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:05.760 complete set, and I'm like, dude, thank you so much, but 1594 01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:09.239 I've already got him. He's like, oh, I'll just send him to 1595 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:14.199 Jeff. Jeff, you want to, I'll pass some like beef jerky or 1596 01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:15.640 something on you. If we want to have a mail bag exchange program. 1597 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:17.680 I want that Blue one, though I don't. I don't have the Blue 1598 01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:21.000 one. People are sick. There's a Mega one too, there's something wrong 1599 01:35:21.039 --> 01:35:25.199 with you. I want the Mega one. We can make a Mega one. 1600 01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:27.520 Does Shovel Night do anything in Super Mario Maker, I've not. I 1601 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:30.319 don't think it does. I think there's all I'm pretty sure there's a shovel 1602 01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:31.760 Nights, right, is there? I swear I saw this thing to the 1603 01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:36.520 game, searched on the internet Google dot com, I Google dot com, 1604 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:42.359 uh, shovel Night, Amibo costs, and did not see anything. I 1605 01:35:42.439 --> 01:35:45.000 might be wrong, So I don't know. I feel like I saw a 1606 01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:47.600 little a bit looking in us sprite. I think you just saw a screenshot 1607 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:50.359 Shovel Night. Well, yes, but I mean I meant in Mario Maker, 1608 01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:54.039 I swear I saw that. Maybe it is. I maybe I Google 1609 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:58.079 dot Com did incorrectly. M hm. So you guys didn't run into this 1610 01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:00.479 glitch and all those kind of main reason I pilt this to see if this 1611 01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:02.479 affected you at all, no other than the fact that you weren't able to 1612 01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:08.239 stream Maury Maker on Wednesday. Yeah, like you wanted to. All right, 1613 01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:11.000 whatever we played Snatcher, that's true on the site. If you want 1614 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:13.840 to see the true bits of Snatcher. Now I know something about Snatcher. 1615 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:15.960 We will have to get back to Snatcher at some point. It warmed my 1616 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:17.720 heart to see like all the positive responses. Yeah, like it. You 1617 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:21.880 know, I look back at that game very very funly because they're very influentiable 1618 01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:26.159 to me. But then it's like critical, Look, it's it's pretty rough 1619 01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:28.840 because it was so early. Sure, it's hard to it was. Yeah, 1620 01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:32.680 I was actually a little surprised at how like the playability was not nearly 1621 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:35.079 what I expected it to be. Yeah. I mean bear in mind, 1622 01:36:35.159 --> 01:36:39.640 like you know, eighty eight is when that game came out, and there 1623 01:36:39.680 --> 01:36:43.640 have been subsequent releases and they haven't really been shut to touch to gameplay wise. 1624 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:47.119 But yeah, it was nice to see how many people like really had 1625 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:53.039 that that's trying astylish for Somebody sent a photo of a Snatcher like throw pillow 1626 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:56.359 that his wife had made. Oh shit, it looked really cool. Okay, 1627 01:36:56.680 --> 01:36:59.039 I'll have sure that's you. You'll throw it in the show notes or 1628 01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:00.399 something. Well, one thing I wanted to mention about Snatcher that I didn't 1629 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:04.279 get a chance to Is a Suit of fifty one actually wrote a radio play? 1630 01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:06.920 What? Yeah? Yeah he wrote that. Yeah, yeah, he 1631 01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:10.600 wrote it. He actually did some voice work. Wow, even did some 1632 01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:13.920 voice work in it as well. But yeah, it's available translated on YouTube. 1633 01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:18.880 Yeah, just the Snatcher radio play. That's cool? Is that stature? 1634 01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:24.159 Yes? Yes, so there is an official radio play as well, 1635 01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:27.039 So don't confuse that with the Suit of fifty one one. But this is 1636 01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:30.159 like a prequel to the Snatches. Oh, this is not just a dramatization 1637 01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:32.720 of the game. No, it's like a separate, separate story. Okay, 1638 01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:39.680 man, that's weird. That's weird and cool. I debated whether to 1639 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:44.479 talk about the Peter mahl News fake retirement, but here it is. I 1640 01:37:44.560 --> 01:37:48.680 guess, for about fifteen minutes everybody thought that Peter mal neew had very unceremonioushly 1641 01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:53.119 retired on Twitter. It wasn't even fifteen minutes. It was like, you're 1642 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:56.239 right, it wasn't. It was very brief, but we all happened to 1643 01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:58.920 just be sitting at our desks when it happened, so we all happened to 1644 01:37:58.960 --> 01:38:01.960 see you unfolding real time. That was a whirlwind. Man, those tweets 1645 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:06.359 were holy shit. It just it was like three tweets and there it was 1646 01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:09.520 perfect. It was like if you were gonna hack Peter Mullan, Who's Twitter 1647 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:11.159 and do this? It was perfect. It was like, what is it 1648 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:14.239 like? One of them was like, if go for it, Goddess will 1649 01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:19.319 be taken down. Please appropriate accent with them mediate effect. Thank you to 1650 01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:23.720 all those involved one of two. This is also the time I would like 1651 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:26.920 to announce my retirement from the game's industry. It has been a long journey 1652 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:30.239 for me. Thank you two of two third tweet. Over All, my 1653 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:33.720 time in the industry has been bitter sweet. However, my biggest mistake was 1654 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.439 Fable three. It pushed me in my team to the limits. No steed 1655 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:40.600 in mind. Like, the first two hit pretty tight, and then there 1656 01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:44.560 was a lull where people went, what the fuck? And then that third 1657 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:46.239 one hit. You could already here It's like, oh my god. And 1658 01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:50.880 that's when I believed it. You know, that was when I went, 1659 01:38:51.039 --> 01:38:55.800 this is not him. Yeah, that's when I bought in. I was 1660 01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:59.079 like, no, yeah, no, it was hacked. But then he 1661 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:01.439 started talking about three, and I'm like, maybe tacked by some guy that 1662 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:09.359 really hated Fable three. I didn't really Fable three. It had potential, 1663 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:14.119 but it was not one. It was not a fucking hot pile of fucking 1664 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:17.920 flaming. But after Fable it's not Fable two. But it's still all right, 1665 01:39:18.640 --> 01:39:23.039 Waitable two, it's okay, No, no, I'm not I'm saying 1666 01:39:23.039 --> 01:39:25.279 it's not Fable two. Fable two is a better game, Okay, okay, 1667 01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:27.880 okay, right right per game, at least up right up until you 1668 01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:30.399 assumed the throne. In Fable three, I thought it was all okay, 1669 01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:35.000 yes, yeah, ends like really shit the bed when when you when they 1670 01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:40.159 got into this like meta game at the end, Yeah, that stuff was 1671 01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:44.439 not so great, very unfortunately was bad at signaling like points of overturns man. 1672 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.600 Even up to that point, it was okay Fable three, Yeah, 1673 01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:55.359 yeah, it's it's okay, it's not terrible. But but given the you 1674 01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:59.960 know, the pedigree and what could have been apologetic about all of his probab 1675 01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:02.239 jacks after the fact, and that one in particular, it seems to have 1676 01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:04.920 like really taken a heart anyway, it was all bullshit, that's way it 1677 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:10.239 was funny to me. Yeah. Anyway, the Twitter account got hacked real 1678 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:15.479 Peter Malknew quickly also started tweeting from the accounts as the as the perpetrator was 1679 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:19.159 being removed. Uh yeah, Like it kind of went nowhere pretty quick. 1680 01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:24.279 But man, unless you were the type of organization who wanted to run news 1681 01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:27.920 stories really quickly, in which case you then wrote a news story saying that 1682 01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:30.800 Peter Malanu had retired, yes, and then very quickly had to amend it. 1683 01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:34.000 I started writing one, I'm not gonna lie. I actually started like, 1684 01:40:34.119 --> 01:40:36.399 ah, we should, this is something we should write up. Yeah, 1685 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:41.039 it's but like as I was writing it, I'm like, this isn't 1686 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:43.960 Field Rice, doesn't none of this, None of this is right. Like 1687 01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:47.800 I got like one sentence in and I was like no, no, and 1688 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:51.199 then like sure enough, like ninety seconds later, like I think you said, 1689 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:54.239 like, oh, this is some other other guy that and somebody from 1690 01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:57.520 twenty from a former twenty two cans guy was started tweeting, going like I'm 1691 01:40:57.520 --> 01:40:59.720 on the phone with Peter right now, Like those those are not that's not 1692 01:40:59.840 --> 01:41:02.880 him. Yeah, Twitter of act it was the guy that uncovered the Curiosity 1693 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.920 cube. Yeah, he's the only one who still read contact pay up or 1694 01:41:08.319 --> 01:41:12.920 Yeah, seriously, as the god of Goddess, he actually has unfettered access 1695 01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:15.800 to He could take it off Twitter account. He's yeah, he's the guy 1696 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:17.920 could take it off Steam too, So that poor guy. So I guess 1697 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.560 that I guess him. After all that was said and done, I guess 1698 01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:26.359 that means that Goddess is still in active development. I guess though I mean 1699 01:41:26.760 --> 01:41:29.640 define active. I don't know, because if you go to the Goddess, 1700 01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:33.079 like the twenty two Can's website, like the Goddess updates stop like sometime in 1701 01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:36.760 twenty fourteen or so, like somethime in August or something, it's like they 1702 01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:41.479 have not posted or or you know, maybe that's just they haven't just updated 1703 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:44.840 it there, but maybe the early access build is getting updated. I've seen 1704 01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:47.239 a surprise surprize have not been following the Goddess super close. Yeah, I've 1705 01:41:47.239 --> 01:41:49.880 seen a couple of like update videos, you know with Peter, and he 1706 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:54.479 just seems so disinterested and just like out of the loop that it's like, 1707 01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.760 I don't know what's going on with that. Everyone. He shot that video 1708 01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:00.720 of like his kid pleading for half Life three? Yeah, what was that? 1709 01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:04.279 This kid really wanted Half Live three? And we posted some video to 1710 01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:09.239 YouTube. Hey, getting line, child Malan. A lot of people want 1711 01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:14.920 that game, child Malanu. Should make it Gordon Freeman and his dog that 1712 01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:19.039 transforms into a crowbar. Okay, wait the dog is named Crowbar? Wait? 1713 01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:23.319 Half Life two had a dog, right, yeah, it had dog, 1714 01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:27.239 it had dog, but dogs not I mean, okay, yeah, 1715 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:30.439 all right, insofar as a crow bar is not a dog, I will 1716 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:32.560 accept the dog is as much of a dog. Okay, So you can 1717 01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:34.920 have a robot named dog and a dog named crow Bar. I think that 1718 01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:42.680 works out. Okay, just fine? Yeah, yeah, I mean still 1719 01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:45.600 truck back. So, like, you know, that can't be far behind 1720 01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:51.840 r cigarette smoking Man exists, so the g man yep, thus cut from 1721 01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:56.600 the same cloth. X Files is back. Yeah, I haven't watched any 1722 01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:59.079 of it. People said the first episode was so bad. I didn't even 1723 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.439 bother. I wouldn't call it bat It's weird. Backtrack on a bunch of 1724 01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:03.800 stuff to try and get it up to date. Like Snowden has mentioned, 1725 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:11.000 it's yeah, so I caught that I was never a huge X Files fan. 1726 01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:14.239 Again, with so like returning, I'm like, I'm not necessarily returning 1727 01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:15.880 to it, it's just like watching it I'm like, all right, this 1728 01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:20.520 is a little in a world where everyone already assumes that the government is keeping 1729 01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:25.239 everything a secrete, a show based on the idea that the government might be 1730 01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:29.439 keeping secrets doesn't really hold a lot of water because you just watch it. 1731 01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:32.920 Like it led to a lot more showing than telling. I feel like old 1732 01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:35.000 X Files. Like again, I didn't watch a ton of it, but 1733 01:43:35.399 --> 01:43:39.640 it was more tell than show. It was more like hinting at the mystery, 1734 01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:44.880 whereas like this, they're like, here's a fucking spaceship straight up. 1735 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:47.439 Yeah, that's that's pretty overt. You know, check it out. It 1736 01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:51.079 could turn invisible. Isn't that all out? The shadow government blows it up? 1737 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:56.119 You know, it's just like all right, yeah, a lot of 1738 01:43:56.319 --> 01:44:00.600 on the nose stuff. Don't they have like a limited like six sepid episodes 1739 01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:02.920 or something like Episode three is going to be like a monster episode, Like 1740 01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:05.960 really they're going back to like they're going back to like monster of the week 1741 01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:09.720 stuff. Maybe I don't know if that's going to be for the entire run. 1742 01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:12.079 Obviously, you know, they've got a lot of ground to cover, 1743 01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:15.000 They've yeah, but just doing a monster episode. They the second episode didn't 1744 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:20.840 necessarily tie into the first Oh weird, that's yea too closely. That seems 1745 01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:24.439 that seems risky when you've only got six episodes to work with. Yeah, 1746 01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:27.680 overarching thing going on? Is there any acknowledgment of the wall? Yes, 1747 01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:30.800 since of the X Files is big, like to like, do they like 1748 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:32.600 time has passed? It's okay, it's modern. They're mentioning snowed In by 1749 01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:34.760 name. It's like, you know, but I mean, but I mean, 1750 01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:39.199 do they do they try to make from his cave? Like? Okay, 1751 01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:41.399 that's what That's what I meant. Like it's not like they've just been 1752 01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:44.159 that's not what It's not like they've just been working on cases this whole time 1753 01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:45.840 and nobody knew about it. Right, He's a doctor, so she went 1754 01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:48.760 off and did doctor stuff. Okay, didn't the company leave the show at 1755 01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:54.880 one point? Took over? That's Robert Patrick became the new Molders. Last 1756 01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:58.880 just the last season, right or the last two? I checked out before 1757 01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:00.800 then. I was a long time ago. Yes it was, but it 1758 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:04.640 ran for too long probably, so I care a lot more about the Twin 1759 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:09.760 Peaks stuff, and like seeing this, I have this definite feeling of like 1760 01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:13.359 like I already had a lot of really mixed feelings about the idea of more 1761 01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:17.359 Twin peaks. Out of that back he backed back in. Yeah, okay, 1762 01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:23.000 And so seeing this stuff and seeing like, okay, how do you 1763 01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:27.079 handle this? It's real dangerous going back to the well, ye, it's 1764 01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:32.119 first of for a lot of reasons. Yeah, it's rough. I don't 1765 01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:35.199 know. I don't I mean, I do not know how you make more 1766 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:41.159 twin Peaks and capture what twin Peaks was like. I don't think you can, 1767 01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:44.039 not even just in the case of twin Peaks, but for practically, 1768 01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:45.479 you know, everything is a product of the time in which it was created, 1769 01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:48.279 right, you know, Like so that's why I like X files. 1770 01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:50.119 They at least went for it, you know, you know, they're at 1771 01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:54.079 least like trying to acknowledge that the world has changed. But it's one of 1772 01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:58.439 those things where it's like, you know, having Fox Molder would be like 1773 01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:00.439 this super like you know, oh, the government's doing this and they're doing 1774 01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:03.800 this like and still yeah, yeah, exactly. The reaction to all the 1775 01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:06.439 viewing audiences like, of course, yeah, definitely, they definitely are. 1776 01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:10.079 They definitely are. We don't trust them at all. A lot of time 1777 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:15.600 has passed. We agree, we also want to believe. Ah, I 1778 01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:18.560 think I'm good. I'm gonna see where it goes. We know that Kem 1779 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:20.800 Trails are real. Now you can't do an episode about it, at least 1780 01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:26.640 not. The ground has been covered. All right, I have one final 1781 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.640 news story, Jason, Perhaps you can help me out here. Why does 1782 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:35.119 Loupe Fiasco want to fight Diego? Oh fucking oh my god? All right, 1783 01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:40.560 so Loupai he's into video games, right, yeah, everyone is. 1784 01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:44.119 Yeah, he likes anime as well, So that's pretty cool. Lupe's pretty 1785 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:47.000 cool and maybe maybe you should turn him onto hang On but loup bait, 1786 01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:55.159 Yeah, especially like Neptune, Neptune Plus Blazers, okay, Blasters, Kem 1787 01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:59.800 Trail plus. He's been a party Kem Trail edition. Should let him know 1788 01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:02.520 about that one. Yeah, Loupe likes some some some street fighter and I 1789 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:08.239 guess he was playing some street fighter at an arcade cabinet and like a like 1790 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:10.720 a bar and like Denver or something like that, and he's like, yo, 1791 01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:15.560 I got twelve wins and street Fighter with Ken and so so like people 1792 01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:16.640 like you know, the fighting game community is like, oh man, that's 1793 01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:18.920 cool, hey man, you play Marvel and he's like, no, I 1794 01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:25.159 don't play that shit. I don't have fucking ADHD or so all right, 1795 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:29.439 this is okay, this is better than anything Loupe Fiasco has done in years 1796 01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:30.439 already. That sentence right there, it's like, all right, I'm back 1797 01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:33.560 on board. The daydreaming was pretty cool ten years ago. But yeah, 1798 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:36.600 the people of the fighting game community started getting a little riled up about that, 1799 01:47:36.720 --> 01:47:41.000 so so like outspoken people were it's like, all right, motherfucker six 1800 01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:45.239 million dollar money match evo and he, like Loupe is like trying to I'm 1801 01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:47.279 paraphrasing, but he's like making conditions. He's like, all right, coin 1802 01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:50.760 op only all right, it's got to be found at like a laundromat or 1803 01:47:50.800 --> 01:47:55.840 something like that, none of your custom joysticks. They eventually backed out, 1804 01:47:56.039 --> 01:48:00.800 but mad Cats, Mark Coulio, Mark Man get involved and he's like, 1805 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:02.159 wow, I kind of represent I go, I can. I could probably 1806 01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:04.399 get into this. He said, hey, do you want to do like 1807 01:48:04.479 --> 01:48:08.960 a you know, First five or something with with Diago just mess around, 1808 01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:12.920 and Lupe's like totally into it now. He got himself a fucking arcade stick. 1809 01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:15.800 The actually actually posted a picture of himself at a game stop saying, 1810 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.319 hey man, anybody got him sick? And he's released videos of him like 1811 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:24.640 sitting in his fucking like car that has a TV screen and he's like practicing 1812 01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:28.479 light kick drills or he's only using light kicks. Okay, so he's posting 1813 01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:30.439 updates to his okay and stuff. It sounds like it's good serious, he's 1814 01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:33.319 yeah, he's getting serious about it. Yeah, this isn't gonna be an 1815 01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:36.800 EVO special or no idea, nothing confirmed, Like I don't think Diego is 1816 01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:41.439 confirmed, but I mean, you know, Mad Cats represents them, so 1817 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:45.000 sure, yea, I think it'll happen. I think it'll be super dumb. 1818 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:46.239 Yes, I saw that. I saw that Mad Cats and Twitch are 1819 01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:50.439 also are both working on making this happen. Now. Yeah, but just 1820 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:55.880 the fact that like Lupe Fiasco is like posting training videos and like his regiment 1821 01:48:55.960 --> 01:48:59.439 and shit like that, like what he's doing to try and train for Diego 1822 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:03.119 stuff. Oh my god, worlds are colliding. But that's you know, 1823 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:06.359 if someone said, hey, do you want to fight Diego, I'd be 1824 01:49:06.399 --> 01:49:10.000 like I would say absolutely, I'll lose. Yeah, sure, I would 1825 01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:12.119 love to lose. The Diego why not? And I think he did actually 1826 01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:13.960 say that, Like, you know, he took that contact with it. 1827 01:49:14.119 --> 01:49:15.560 Initially he's like, yeah, I'll lose the Digo, no problem. But 1828 01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:20.159 then yeah he's getting serious Diego, so compete, Yeah heavily. Absolutely. 1829 01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:24.239 Yeah. Yeah, he's still totally in the game. Still just still viable. 1830 01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:27.079 Yeah, totally by Yeah, you know, it comes in and goes, 1831 01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:29.840 he's got it's bad days, but then he'll come back and he'll just 1832 01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:31.840 like destroy somebody ten games in a row, put on a clinic. Yeah, 1833 01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:38.600 still real good. That's a fun story. Yeah, it's like to 1834 01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:43.359 see more of that. Yeah, shit talking between celebrities of various skilled Yeah, 1835 01:49:43.399 --> 01:49:45.720 you've seen a lot of celebrities kind of work their way, like Jamie 1836 01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:48.039 Lee Curtis. We'll goat like Eva a bunch of tournaments. I remember if 1837 01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:50.560 we talk about that back when that happens to the Holy shit, those photos 1838 01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:56.319 that she posted were just magical. She's done a couple of different characters. 1839 01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:58.279 Yeah, but like her, you know, her families into it, like 1840 01:49:58.319 --> 01:50:00.560 her son and stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's a a little family. 1841 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:04.800 Did you guys see the Street Fighter five TV commercial they did recently? It 1842 01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:09.279 aired during like a Broncos game, like recently, I don't think I did. 1843 01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:11.399 It was like a you know, it was like a TV ad for 1844 01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:13.560 the game, but like it used some of the footage that when they first 1845 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:15.359 announced the game, like showing it just like people playing and you know, 1846 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:19.960 like the kind of competitive scene aspect for it. But in the context of 1847 01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:25.680 a commercial that has then shown in the middle of a football game. No, 1848 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:28.680 it might actually be the best fucking video game ad in the world, 1849 01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:34.600 uh, in that context, because it conveys the excitement of victory. Yeah, 1850 01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:39.039 it is very much like about hype. It's very much about like, 1851 01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:43.079 you know, the feeling of victory as opposed to just like here's how many 1852 01:50:43.159 --> 01:50:45.199 fighters are in this game. Like there's not a lot of footage in it, 1853 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:46.680 but it's just you know, it's a lot of that that footage that 1854 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:49.359 used when they first announced the game of just showing people. Yeah they've yeah, 1855 01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:53.279 they've been kind of tapping into that for for a number of years, 1856 01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:56.359 and I think it's super effective. Like it actually it might even you know, 1857 01:50:56.439 --> 01:51:00.279 I know they're they're separate things, but it might actually be a super 1858 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:02.800 effective like case for like es sports in a way to where you just watch 1859 01:51:02.840 --> 01:51:08.000 it and go fucking yeah, totally. I really get very hype. I'm 1860 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:11.000 watching those. Yeah, but like in that context of like this is an 1861 01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:16.479 ad that they're positioning the mainstreamist of mainstream. Yeah, like it's kind of 1862 01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:20.880 cool to see them kind of represent it that way. Sony marketing money doing 1863 01:51:20.920 --> 01:51:25.439 work. Yeah yeah, maybe yeah, NFL spots all right, Evo's picking 1864 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:29.199 up. Man, they get the Tue well two venues from EVO now, 1865 01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:32.239 which is one for each Smash Brothers. Yeah, god, what what do 1866 01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:35.119 you mean? What are the two venues? And Pokin so Las Vegas Convention 1867 01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:41.199 Center and I forgot then is a must going most good? I'm sorry I 1868 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:43.560 forgot the name of it. But they're both in they're both in Vegas. 1869 01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:45.119 Yeah, they're both in Vegas, but they're you know, two separate events. 1870 01:51:45.159 --> 01:51:48.119 So like you know, the Friday, Thursday, Friday Saturday stuff is 1871 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:54.000 going to be at the convention Center and then the finals Sunday is going to 1872 01:51:54.039 --> 01:51:56.600 be at the big event. Like how many how many players? Where they 1873 01:51:56.600 --> 01:51:58.960 get down to you with it is like top eight go to the other place, 1874 01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:00.520 or it's four. It depends on the game. It might be sixteen. 1875 01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:02.840 You might even be thirty two. I don't know. You know, 1876 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:04.920 we'll see how that how that shakes out, but I'm sure it'll be like 1877 01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:08.640 a day long event. But yeah, you've got to have tickets to each 1878 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:12.600 of these. And the hotel was different than both of these locations. That's 1879 01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:15.680 what really kind of weirds me out about it, because man, going to 1880 01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:17.439 EVO is just like a big community thing, and I love going in the 1881 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:21.720 back of the you know, the room and seeing like all these different arcade 1882 01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:26.159 cabinets and people that all kind of custom sticks and run aside tournaments. And 1883 01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:28.640 I don't know how they're going to do that. Yeah, if people are 1884 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:31.479 spread across, right, so that's gonna be weird, you know. I'm 1885 01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:34.199 sure that there's still gonna be side tournaments held back at the hotel, you 1886 01:52:34.279 --> 01:52:36.640 know, where people aren't going at the convention center. Where where will the 1887 01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:42.319 Jackie Chan live. I don't know in all of us. Yeah, it's 1888 01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:45.359 being played. I'm Jackie Chan and this is my game. But this is 1889 01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:49.479 a cool like it's a big, big step. I think it's in the 1890 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:53.199 right direction. I think EVO is the right one to do it. I 1891 01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:59.640 still think that there's room for you know that that old dirty like stuff at 1892 01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:01.840 all the other tournaments and stuff, or if you like anime games, go 1893 01:53:01.960 --> 01:53:09.479 down to Florida, Yes, Florida, and then we'll build the wall all 1894 01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:14.560 that you get to Florida. We're walling other news. We're walling off Florida 1895 01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:18.319 as soon as this tournament starts. Oh well, Diowa caucuses have started. 1896 01:53:18.399 --> 01:53:24.720 So this is a very germane topic. All right, let's read some emails. 1897 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:29.720 You just sing some emails. I have to give you a few drinks 1898 01:53:29.760 --> 01:53:32.039 in me first. Okay, I'm afraid. I'm happy to pass you this 1899 01:53:32.079 --> 01:53:34.399 phone. If you would like to read some sing some emails, I should 1900 01:53:34.399 --> 01:53:38.479 say, no, it's not my job. No, all right, out 1901 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:42.119 of my paid scale. All right. Well, in that case, bomb 1902 01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:45.439 cast at jama on dot com. You know the email address I do. 1903 01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:48.560 It's easy to figure out if I really need to say it. Probably what 1904 01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:51.159 if I didn't say it every week? I bet you would see the number 1905 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:54.399 of emails that come and go down? Crap, All right, I guess 1906 01:53:54.439 --> 01:53:58.439 I keep saying it. Then Kenna knew the email address. That's how I 1907 01:53:58.520 --> 01:54:01.520 got this email here. It's in about super Bowl. You mean the Big 1908 01:54:01.600 --> 01:54:05.479 Game? Yeah, the big game. Uh, he says, what are 1909 01:54:05.479 --> 01:54:09.960 your plans? As the impending Super Bowl is about to descend upon San Francisco. 1910 01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:15.000 It'll undoubtedly surpass the typical nahem the previous years as it's the fiftieth anniversary. 1911 01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:18.119 So will everyone hide within the shelters of their own homes away from the 1912 01:54:18.199 --> 01:54:21.239 drunken assholes, take part in the festivities get the hell out of Dodge, 1913 01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:26.399 or will Dan just go to Taco bell. I'm not really worried about it, 1914 01:54:26.479 --> 01:54:28.960 considering like now that I've gone down there to where it is, that 1915 01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:32.039 Levi Stadium, are you oh right right? Yeah, yeah, saw a 1916 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:36.039 real show. Yeah yeah, a showcase. I mean that's actually what Santa 1917 01:54:36.079 --> 01:54:39.880 Clarin Yeah, I mean it was like a one hundred and twenty dollars uber 1918 01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:41.960 to get down there, right. I don't think that the well, I 1919 01:54:42.079 --> 01:54:45.039 didn't think that the city was going to be like descended upon by football fans 1920 01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:47.960 or whatever, except for the fact that they built this goddamn Super San Francisco 1921 01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:51.880 itself is rotten with Super Bowl shit right now. It's the way I have 1922 01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:57.079 to. I'm taking a different path into the office every single morning to try 1923 01:54:57.159 --> 01:55:00.079 to figure out what's the proper route, and every every morning I just get 1924 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:02.840 fucked in a slightly different way. What is it? It's like super Bowl 1925 01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:06.720 super Bowl Village is super Bowl City. Yeah, that's what they're calling it. 1926 01:55:08.520 --> 01:55:11.279 I drove past it is there, It's it's well, I don't know. 1927 01:55:11.359 --> 01:55:15.119 I saw a fucking sign that I saw the Verizon logo. I don't 1928 01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:19.199 know. It looks like some super Bowl shit to me. Sure. Yeah, 1929 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:21.319 a bunch of stuff walled off, and they're putting up a bunch of 1930 01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:24.880 cameras that have a bunch people worried that they're not going to take the cameras 1931 01:55:24.920 --> 01:55:30.439 away once super Bowl City is gone. There's a bunch of Homeland security devices 1932 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:34.600 on street cars. Yeah, I understand. I love it. My bus 1933 01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:38.960 got diverted to the point that it drops me off closer to the office. 1934 01:55:38.960 --> 01:55:44.119 Now that's a cool thing. But yeah, I'm kind of having a hard 1935 01:55:44.159 --> 01:55:46.840 time finding getting that positive in the hosting of the super Bowl. For us, 1936 01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:49.560 it sounds like the people that like live in San Francisco and stuff are 1937 01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:53.479 actually like the people that are digging into some of the numbers are finding that 1938 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:58.119 like San Francisco basically didn't negotiate anything with the NFL, and it's just like 1939 01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:00.359 paying for all of it. So it's like it's it sounds like it's a 1940 01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:04.800 bad deal for the city as right, and they're like they're like, you 1941 01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:10.479 know, they're forcefully uh moving homeless people out of the area so that it 1942 01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:14.600 shows nice for the tourists. There's a bunch of really fucking garbage ass things 1943 01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:17.720 that are happening in this city all the time. Double City. Yeah, 1944 01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:21.880 what a cool city. It's so laid back and liberally and awesome. Man, 1945 01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:28.439 fucking whatever, and the game is not even fucking being played in San 1946 01:56:28.479 --> 01:56:32.319 Francisco. On top of that, they should pass a fucking law that you 1947 01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:38.239 cannot name your team somewhere other than where you play. Shit market, Like, 1948 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:41.800 obviously they'll sell more hats if it says San Francisco, it says the 1949 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:45.439 fucking Santa Clara forty nine. Should all be named after the zip code, 1950 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:47.680 yes, or they should. They should get rid of the ship and just 1951 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:53.199 fucking sell it. They should be the fucking Verizon forty nine. The Verizon 1952 01:56:53.319 --> 01:56:58.359 Verizon will happen. Yeah, that is like if the XFL had had taken 1953 01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:00.960 hold, we would already be there, I'm sure by now. But Bence 1954 01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:03.199 doesn't sell out. Yeah. Well, it's like soccer teams have uh, 1955 01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:06.119 you know, logos on their uniforms all the time, like that has to 1956 01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:10.119 or even on the field they have those like weird like they're not actually on 1957 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:13.239 the field, but home viewer sees it. It's like the the yellow you 1958 01:57:13.279 --> 01:57:15.479 know, first or do they do that in football? Now I thought Danny 1959 01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:17.920 said something about that in soccer, but in football they do the yellow like 1960 01:57:18.119 --> 01:57:20.880 you know, first down line, right, Yeah, but like that but 1961 01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:24.880 with ads like a giant you know, Volkswagen logo on the field. Yeah, 1962 01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:29.000 why not? Everyone los Volkswagon, those guys. That is that idea. 1963 01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:30.520 It was way too dystopian for me. I'm sorry. They need to 1964 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:32.640 go all the way with it, yeah, like take it all the way 1965 01:57:32.680 --> 01:57:34.720 down. It needs to just be the you know, it's like what like 1966 01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:39.880 all the college football bowl games are all like it's the yes, I mean 1967 01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:42.520 all of all the all the stadiums are all the way. Yeah that way, 1968 01:57:42.600 --> 01:57:44.680 it's the next step. Yeah, they'll get their eventually. Yeah, 1969 01:57:44.720 --> 01:57:49.600 let's go for it. Yeah gross gross uh next because then you'll just go 1970 01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:53.920 and you'll buy a hat that has the fucking Totino's pizza rolls logo on it, 1971 01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:56.600 and they'd be like, oh you like the Jazz and you're like, 1972 01:57:56.680 --> 01:57:59.840 yeah, favorite basketball team. Fuck yeah, man, Totinos. Totinos just 1973 01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:03.239 beatinos. I could maybe get behind Actually can you put what? Do you 1974 01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:11.520 put it that way? Uh? Email from David pea Cube recently announced that 1975 01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:15.399 gal Gun Double Peace is coming to the US, completely uncensored and unaltered. 1976 01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:20.920 I'm into the Arby's Red Wings. They're my favorite. The Big Montana power 1977 01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:24.800 play is my favorite part of the game. Man, they still make the 1978 01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:29.159 Big Montana. They must surely they do. Oh, I miss I never 1979 01:58:29.239 --> 01:58:31.439 got past the beef and shudder. Uh. David wants to know if you 1980 01:58:31.479 --> 01:58:35.159 were going to buy and cover that game. I mean, I hope I 1981 01:58:35.359 --> 01:58:39.119 would ideally not buy one. Will contact them and say, hey, you 1982 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:41.279 should send us so we can cover it. I guess if it's coming out 1983 01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:45.119 in the US, that's probably gonna work. Well. I think that's that's 1984 01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:47.199 more formality than anything. He basically is trying to gauge your level of interest 1985 01:58:47.239 --> 01:58:49.560 in covering the new gal Gun. Yeah, we should cover it. Yeah, 1986 01:58:49.640 --> 01:58:53.520 it's you know, we should trobably cover it. Committing to this publicly. 1987 01:58:53.960 --> 01:58:57.319 We'll see yeah, all right, I mean maybe everyone involved in its 1988 01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:01.039 localization will be put in prison before the game come out. So it's got 1989 01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:04.439 gun the one that you played on UPF two months ago. Yep, yeah, 1990 01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:08.319 okay, yeah, that game over? Okay, now wait is is 1991 01:59:08.399 --> 01:59:11.840 that the game? Yeah? That exact game? Or yes? That that 1992 01:59:11.960 --> 01:59:15.760 was the demo for the That's double Piece. Yeah okay, well an existing 1993 01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:18.840 coverage on the site. Yeah, you gotta finish it up. I mean, 1994 01:59:19.279 --> 01:59:23.319 that's true. Should probably just probably don't play the entire rest of the 1995 01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:25.479 game. I really want to see what the North American version is like. 1996 01:59:25.640 --> 01:59:30.920 Yeah, yeah, yes. Uh. Shane writes in about The Blacklist, 1997 01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:34.479 Jeff mentioned he was watching it enjoying The Blacklist. It's terrible. I can't 1998 01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:39.880 stop watching help. Yeah is that true? It's not terrible, Yeah, 1999 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:43.399 but it's not good. We got to the near the end of the second 2000 01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:46.359 season and it slowed down significantly just because there were just a there was an 2001 01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:50.520 arc that was I did not appreciate that slowed us down on it. But 2002 01:59:50.920 --> 01:59:54.840 I keep thinking about watching it just because I love James Spader so much. 2003 01:59:54.840 --> 01:59:59.279 Oh man, it's James Spader being some fucking James Spader, asked James Spader, 2004 01:59:59.439 --> 02:00:01.680 He just scenery. Yeah, it's like literally every fuck you know, 2005 02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:04.159 it's like he walks in to fucking shoot somebody, but he's got to tell 2006 02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:06.720 him a story about his childhood first. He's like, when I was a 2007 02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:10.359 boy, I sat down. You know. He's like fucking convincing people to 2008 02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:14.520 fucking lie on the stand for other people. And you know, but like 2009 02:00:15.079 --> 02:00:16.680 in the most roundabout, like every word out of his mouth is just this 2010 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:21.680 fucking roundabout way to get what he wants. And Okay, it's just you're 2011 02:00:21.720 --> 02:00:28.439 making a strong case for the show. Spader. Spader's amazing, man. 2012 02:00:29.399 --> 02:00:31.479 He's He's most of the reason that I watched the entire run of Boston Legal. 2013 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:35.000 Then, yeah, if you're every time, every time you modern day 2014 02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:38.680 Spader, every time he would gear up for one of his monologues, I'm 2015 02:00:38.720 --> 02:00:43.640 just getting James. And then sometimes like and that affords them the opportunity by 2016 02:00:43.720 --> 02:00:46.279 making this very like loquacious character. Is that then when he walks into a 2017 02:00:46.359 --> 02:00:50.239 room and just fucking shoots a guy, You're like, oh fuck, it's 2018 02:00:50.279 --> 02:00:55.279 like fucking James Spader means mother fucking business doesn't even say anything that time, 2019 02:00:55.520 --> 02:00:59.560 and then he talks for a while. You know, it's like it's Netflix, 2020 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:03.239 Yeah, probably. I think the first two seasons are on Netflix and 2021 02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:06.079 then the third season is is airing right now. I know I've seen it, 2022 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:10.159 so either there or Amazon for sure. All right, you've sold me. 2023 02:01:10.600 --> 02:01:15.199 It's uh, I mean he's really great, he really is. And 2024 02:01:15.359 --> 02:01:20.439 it's like just fucking dumb like Surveillance State Task Force stuff, like just stuff 2025 02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:25.479 that like, you know, here's the government's fucking secret black ops, fucking 2026 02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:30.199 team that's stopping terrorism with the help of a fucking criminal James Spader mastermind. 2027 02:01:32.600 --> 02:01:38.079 Yeah, it's it's great. It's fucking preposterous. I mean, no less 2028 02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:41.119 monumental a figure than James Spader could get me to watch a show like that. 2029 02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:44.239 It's it's what it makes at this point without him, you know, 2030 02:01:44.279 --> 02:01:46.039 I think a lot of the other characters in the show are well acted and 2031 02:01:46.119 --> 02:01:49.319 stuff, you know, all that stuff, but it's just but I'm sure 2032 02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:53.800 it's just network cheese, right, Yeah, totally. Okay, all right, 2033 02:01:54.079 --> 02:01:59.600 I mean you've convinced me. Uh, this email is signed P from 2034 02:01:59.720 --> 02:02:03.920 s Okay, that's all I got. Actually I've got more, but that's 2035 02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.000 how we signed it. So all right, that's all I'm gonna say. 2036 02:02:08.279 --> 02:02:13.520 The Witness finally released. This is actually one of last week's emails that I 2037 02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:15.680 had held over for this week. The Witness finally releases on Tuesday for the 2038 02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:19.000 price of forty dollars. Well, I've got no problem paying that amount. 2039 02:02:19.039 --> 02:02:23.479 There has been a lot of debate on yield Internet about whether an independently developed 2040 02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:29.079 a game distributed digitally is allowed to command that price. What Jesus. At 2041 02:02:29.119 --> 02:02:31.960 times, it sounds like a number of people complaining are fearful of higher priced 2042 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:36.720 independently developed games, whether digital or retail, not because the games themselves aren't 2043 02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:43.000 providing value, but rather because it's encroaching on pricing territory that they've been trained 2044 02:02:43.039 --> 02:02:45.119 to see as the cream of the crop in terms of what the industry produces, 2045 02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:49.319 as if a forty dollars Witness somehow cheapens their sixty dollars purchase from a 2046 02:02:49.439 --> 02:02:56.039 major publisher. Given the proliferation of independent studios and the democratization of development tools, 2047 02:02:56.319 --> 02:02:59.479 I imagine we'll continue to see more and more games that challenge this notion 2048 02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:02.079 of what const Tuesday triple a game and therefore take aim at the go to 2049 02:03:02.239 --> 02:03:08.279 premium price for such a product. What are your personal redlines for game pricing? 2050 02:03:08.319 --> 02:03:12.439 Because the game's marketing budget entitle it to a sixty dollars price tag regardless 2051 02:03:12.479 --> 02:03:15.800 of content, do any of you have biases that you feel prevent you from 2052 02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:19.439 paying more than X for an indie game or puzzle game or RPG, etc. 2053 02:03:20.079 --> 02:03:25.800 This is something that when we had Iron Galaxies, Dave Lang on the 2054 02:03:25.880 --> 02:03:29.319 show that he kind of hinted at happening more and more. Is that notion 2055 02:03:29.439 --> 02:03:32.319 of And I've heard other people use the term, and I think it's a 2056 02:03:32.399 --> 02:03:39.000 dumb term, triple I, triple indie. You know that, like if 2057 02:03:39.039 --> 02:03:42.319 you think about it, you know, through the you know the over the 2058 02:03:42.399 --> 02:03:45.800 course of the three sixty era of last generation, we lost those kind of 2059 02:03:46.199 --> 02:03:53.000 smaller b game like like lower tier retail games. And what's happening now is 2060 02:03:53.079 --> 02:03:57.319 that the smaller indie games are growing up to fill that gap. So you'll 2061 02:03:57.359 --> 02:04:00.600 have the games that are still in that kind of smaller, more traditional digital 2062 02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:04.279 price range of ten to fifteen to twenty, and then I think you'll start 2063 02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:08.479 to actually see more games that are trying to play around with price and starting 2064 02:04:08.560 --> 02:04:13.359 to do this stuff up at forty or thereabouts. Yeah, I guess the 2065 02:04:13.359 --> 02:04:16.600 big difference was last generation or even two generations go, Like the medium tier 2066 02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:20.319 games were still sixty bucks, right, because that's all they could be exactly. 2067 02:04:20.439 --> 02:04:26.039 Yeah, the prices were protected by console manufacturers, so if anything like 2068 02:04:26.119 --> 02:04:29.359 this is better, you know, if you're getting games of that caliber for 2069 02:04:29.640 --> 02:04:31.560 less than full retail, right, And it's it's one of the things where 2070 02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:33.439 yeah, like I get it, like you know, like people don't want 2071 02:04:33.479 --> 02:04:36.680 things to see things get more expensive, and the retail price point is held 2072 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:40.880 for so long that even even that gets played around with more on the lower 2073 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:43.840 end, right, the higher ends where you end up getting a bunch of 2074 02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:46.520 garbage, like here's a fucking statue and a helmet that you can't wear, 2075 02:04:46.680 --> 02:04:49.960 or here's a bare bones multiplayer game with a fifty dollars season pass, right, 2076 02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:54.640 yeah, or something. So it breaks down to just hours, how 2077 02:04:54.680 --> 02:04:58.000 many hours of enjoyment you can get out of something like I love The Witness, 2078 02:04:58.000 --> 02:04:59.600 and I know I'll probably spend a few dozen hours with it. I 2079 02:04:59.640 --> 02:05:02.199 don't give shit how much the marketing budget was or how big the team was. 2080 02:05:02.319 --> 02:05:06.000 It's just Okay, forty dollars for like forty hours of gameplay sounds completely 2081 02:05:06.039 --> 02:05:10.239 fair. Also, I think the marketing budget for the Witness is probably pretty 2082 02:05:10.279 --> 02:05:13.239 low. Yeah, and it's just been him out there talking it up and 2083 02:05:13.960 --> 02:05:15.199 yeah, covering it right. I just don't know why that should factor into 2084 02:05:15.359 --> 02:05:17.520 your thoughts on the on the price or anything or I don't know. But 2085 02:05:17.600 --> 02:05:23.039 also I would argue that hours is probably a bad metric. Also, you 2086 02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:25.520 know, it can be a useful metric. I feel like, you know, 2087 02:05:25.600 --> 02:05:29.279 if you want to like contextualize it next to like movie going or something. 2088 02:05:30.199 --> 02:05:31.720 But yeah, yes, yeah, but also it's not the end. 2089 02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:33.840 I'll be no, absolutely not. And like, you know, I feel 2090 02:05:33.880 --> 02:05:38.840 like like Limbo was a random early example of a game that like disabused me 2091 02:05:38.880 --> 02:05:41.319 of the notion of like, oh it has to be x number of hours 2092 02:05:41.439 --> 02:05:44.800 or I don't feel satisfied because it was like a three hour game. But 2093 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:46.640 it were three very valuable hours and that's all I needed. I mean, 2094 02:05:46.720 --> 02:05:49.039 you know, like I bought Golden Nacks for way too much money for The 2095 02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:51.720 Genesis and finished it the day I bought it and was pissed. You know. 2096 02:05:51.760 --> 02:05:55.079 I bought Super Mario Brothers two and finished it the day I got it 2097 02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:57.640 and was fucking pissed, except it was awesome, so I played it over 2098 02:05:57.640 --> 02:06:02.319 and over. Yeah. You know, like the notion of like these full 2099 02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:06.159 price games that are not lasting a day is you know if anything gaming got 2100 02:06:06.199 --> 02:06:10.920 away from that, uh, you know, as as time went on and 2101 02:06:11.239 --> 02:06:13.640 now it just seems like there are different games at different price points, and 2102 02:06:13.920 --> 02:06:15.119 you know, it's I think it's it has to be a case by case 2103 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:20.119 basis, like do you think this product is worth this much money based on 2104 02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:24.119 what's there? Yes or no? And it's you know who made it and 2105 02:06:24.239 --> 02:06:27.039 where it came from, if it's indie or not, Like that's useless, 2106 02:06:27.119 --> 02:06:29.520 like who cares? Yeah, I guess we need to say it that way. 2107 02:06:29.640 --> 02:06:32.479 Maybe Hours isn't the NDLB all for me because I think of Journey and 2108 02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:34.760 Gone Home and I love both those. Yeah, I'd be in both in 2109 02:06:34.840 --> 02:06:38.920 one sitting, and I didn't really worry about how much they cost at all. 2110 02:06:39.279 --> 02:06:42.159 Right, yeah exactly. And you know, like I think, you 2111 02:06:42.199 --> 02:06:45.920 know, the hour a count and price sensitivity stuff. I think those are 2112 02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:51.880 two things that go way up with people who you know, aren't who don't 2113 02:06:51.920 --> 02:06:55.079 buy a lot of games. Who can't buy a lot of games. They 2114 02:06:55.119 --> 02:06:57.600 see this happening and go like, well, wait, why would I buy 2115 02:06:57.920 --> 02:07:00.319 pay full price for a game that I can you know, the Call Duty 2116 02:07:00.359 --> 02:07:01.840 campaign is so short and blah blah, all these campaigns are so short. 2117 02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:04.880 Now what happened to by eighty hour RPGs? And you know, like there's 2118 02:07:04.920 --> 02:07:08.119 there's the kind of that mentality which I get. I mean, you know, 2119 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:10.800 like I, you know, spend a long time not being able to 2120 02:07:11.680 --> 02:07:14.079 you knows, to afford a lot of games. It's you know, you 2121 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:16.880 you want to buy games that that last. That's why you know that. 2122 02:07:16.960 --> 02:07:21.880 That's where every little bit of my animosity for games like Strider and uh Super 2123 02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:26.479 Metroid came from. Was this idea that like these are just too short. 2124 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:29.359 Like I went and paid a full retail in Strider's case, eighty dollars. 2125 02:07:29.479 --> 02:07:32.520 Yeah, that was eighty dollars in nineteen eighty nine or nineteen ninety money, 2126 02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:36.239 and I was fucking just out as junior high and fucking that. You know, 2127 02:07:36.520 --> 02:07:40.960 like whatever, the going rate for games was way expensive to be able 2128 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:44.319 to fucking put together eighty dollars for a game that I fucking took home and 2129 02:07:44.319 --> 02:07:49.039 immediately finished that fucking sucked. So like, I understand why there are people 2130 02:07:49.079 --> 02:07:51.960 that kind of look to those as meaningful metrics, because you know, it's 2131 02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:56.159 like they want to play video games for a long time. Hey, eight 2132 02:07:56.319 --> 02:08:01.319 Mega I did not that was not turned. There's a mega bit that was 2133 02:08:01.439 --> 02:08:05.560 that was a bad value. Yeah, Strider is a bad value. Yeah, 2134 02:08:05.119 --> 02:08:09.720 you're probably right. The NES version, however, was a big adventure 2135 02:08:09.920 --> 02:08:13.000 that you went around. You got to, you know, explore this world 2136 02:08:13.119 --> 02:08:16.279 and go to different places. I thought I thought that the non linear. 2137 02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:20.479 I thought the video we did of Anya Strider a while back amended your view 2138 02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:24.439 of India Strider look maybe not quite as sound as you thought it was. 2139 02:08:24.920 --> 02:08:28.520 I'm not saying it was a great game. I say it aged pretty poorly, 2140 02:08:28.680 --> 02:08:33.119 but it's still like like like buy on a Commando did more with the 2141 02:08:33.159 --> 02:08:37.079 home version than sure decade version. You're absolutely right about that. I mostly 2142 02:08:37.159 --> 02:08:39.319 liked this email because I thought it was a kind of an interesting idea that 2143 02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:43.119 he had that people might feel like like there's some tension between the sixty dollars 2144 02:08:43.399 --> 02:08:46.920 big publisher game and like, you know, smaller games was made by smaller 2145 02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:50.560 teams. But moving into that pricing space, you know, like the idea 2146 02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:56.520 of devaluing a sixty dollars game, like a Call of Duty style game, 2147 02:08:56.000 --> 02:09:00.560 because this other game is a very different kind of thing, but it's getting 2148 02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:03.119 close in price, you know, sure, like it's like that it might 2149 02:09:03.199 --> 02:09:07.520 erode the price of the value of the Call of Duty or some of those 2150 02:09:07.560 --> 02:09:09.880 other games. I don't, I don't know, if you know, I 2151 02:09:09.880 --> 02:09:11.159 don't know if he's onto anything or not. I don't know. Interesting way 2152 02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:13.840 to look at, Like there's a lot of weird psychology wrapped up in Yeah, 2153 02:09:13.960 --> 02:09:18.039 people's response to the price of the Witness or just prices in general. 2154 02:09:18.199 --> 02:09:20.960 Well, yeah, yeah, I guess. I guess the Winnows is just 2155 02:09:20.000 --> 02:09:24.399 more of an extreme example of that, right, and the kind of reaction 2156 02:09:24.479 --> 02:09:28.359 that it elicited in people. Yeah, I will say that that to me, 2157 02:09:28.520 --> 02:09:31.319 that game seems like it is easily worth forty dollars. Yeah, yeah, 2158 02:09:31.479 --> 02:09:33.760 although I mean that's a different conversation now that we all played it. 2159 02:09:35.159 --> 02:09:37.279 Sure, this was you know, prior to release, when they announced the 2160 02:09:37.319 --> 02:09:39.880 price and nobody knew exactly what was in there. Hence why reviews still hold 2161 02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:46.079 some amount of value in video games where they might not in music and movies, 2162 02:09:46.199 --> 02:09:48.880 Yes, indeed, or hold less. I guess I shouldn't totally discount 2163 02:09:50.279 --> 02:09:54.800 I think movie reviews are dumb. Well, there's definitely a lot more subjective, 2164 02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:58.079 Yes, because you generally know how long you're gonna be sitting in the 2165 02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:01.359 theater seed. Yeah, and the price is usually most fixed. Yes, 2166 02:10:03.760 --> 02:10:07.600 indeed. Well, I saw my first time I saw Star Wars like three 2167 02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:09.359 days after it came out for six dollars. I couldn't believe it in the 2168 02:10:09.399 --> 02:10:15.760 middle of San Francisco mattinee like a Sunday matinee for six twenty five. It's 2169 02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:18.159 ridiculous. Is almost illegal. I know, I didn't. Couldn't. I 2170 02:10:18.199 --> 02:10:20.279 thought I was getting away with something. It was bizarre. Did you watch 2171 02:10:20.319 --> 02:10:22.199 it in the back of a van? No, let's not. Let's not 2172 02:10:22.279 --> 02:10:28.079 talk about that, right Galen from Seattle? Uh, this question is for 2173 02:10:28.199 --> 02:10:31.079 Jeff and Jason. If he's around, he got good news for you. 2174 02:10:31.279 --> 02:10:33.920 Made it? Why is it? The fighting games used to always have a 2175 02:10:35.000 --> 02:10:37.000 sound test mode in the options. I can see how something like that might 2176 02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:39.960 be useful on an arcade machine to make sure that everything is working properly. 2177 02:10:41.520 --> 02:10:43.600 What's the point of including it on a home console version. One. It's 2178 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:46.960 awesome. It's awesome, and and it wasn't limited to you just fighters. 2179 02:10:48.039 --> 02:10:52.760 But let me finish theme. Okay, it can't be as simple as they 2180 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:54.600 just didn't bother to remove it from the port. Since it's usually in an 2181 02:10:54.640 --> 02:10:58.119 options menu accessed via a main menu, which wouldn't have been present in an 2182 02:10:58.199 --> 02:11:03.439 Arcade version, this would imply that the path to that functionality was specifically added 2183 02:11:03.479 --> 02:11:07.079 to the console version. Yes, you're right. Sound tests existed in all 2184 02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:09.720 kinds of games back in the day, and yes they were awesome. Yeah. 2185 02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:11.840 Yeah, they to make ring tones. They knew, they knew that 2186 02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:16.520 they were gonna needing tones or twenty years later, absolutely sound tests and music 2187 02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:20.760 tests, text message noises. Very yeah, I very much appreciated. Uh, 2188 02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:24.199 like Ninja remember an es Ninja Gaiden had a music test, so they're 2189 02:11:24.720 --> 02:11:28.279 sound Yeah that in particular, like listen to music tracks, okay, but 2190 02:11:28.359 --> 02:11:33.600 just like covering the entire like sound effects library. I don't quite understand the 2191 02:11:33.720 --> 02:11:37.720 magic or why that was gifted to us, why these sound tests are in 2192 02:11:37.760 --> 02:11:39.039 there, but yeah, I'll take it. I wish they I wish they 2193 02:11:39.079 --> 02:11:41.760 came back. I would, I really wish the sound tests would make a 2194 02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:46.399 return. That stuff was super fun. Yeah, I wonder, but a 2195 02:11:46.439 --> 02:11:48.039 lot of that stuff doesn't even exist in the arcade version. It's not it's 2196 02:11:48.079 --> 02:11:52.800 not the case that like, oh this was like ported from arcade code and 2197 02:11:52.960 --> 02:11:56.399 that had it, Like that's not necessarily why was that? I mean, 2198 02:11:56.840 --> 02:12:01.399 the Supernintendo routines are so different for the concept originate in the arcade though. 2199 02:12:01.960 --> 02:12:05.199 It seems like something that you would have an arcade thing boot you would have 2200 02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:09.199 arcades some arcade machines that would do different sound stuff or you know, like 2201 02:12:09.239 --> 02:12:13.359 they have their cross hatch and color like boot up tests. Sometimes sound would 2202 02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:16.479 be a part of that. Like all the Midway games have that boom kind 2203 02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:18.560 of thing when you when you fire them up and all the tech and machines 2204 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:22.279 say good morning when you turn them on. Its creepy. It is super 2205 02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:28.359 creepy. All the was it like Bubble memory Konami games, like it was 2206 02:12:28.399 --> 02:12:31.680 some kind of weird ram that had to be heated up to a certain temperature 2207 02:12:31.720 --> 02:12:33.359 before it worked. Oh so the boot up on some of these, like 2208 02:12:33.359 --> 02:12:37.359 Gradius and some of these other machines was like two minutes or something, so 2209 02:12:37.479 --> 02:12:39.960 it had a little song and a d no no, no, no, 2210 02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:45.199 like this whole that is actually super hard to emulate because you know, hey, 2211 02:12:45.279 --> 02:12:48.840 emulators got hot ram all the time, so you know, mame and 2212 02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:54.359 stuff like that don't capture they none of them capture the true magic. I'm 2213 02:12:54.359 --> 02:12:56.159 surprised they don't. I'm surprised they don't actually emulate the boot of the warm 2214 02:12:56.239 --> 02:13:00.439 up time the way they like a C sixty four emulator. It's the sort 2215 02:13:00.439 --> 02:13:03.960 of thing that they could probably eventually do if if someone on the project or 2216 02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:07.399 with the knowledge of it really like sat down and did it. But right 2217 02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:09.079 now it's just like I think it's just something that checks the temperature, and 2218 02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:11.800 right now they just go like temperatures fine, all right, and just boots 2219 02:13:15.199 --> 02:13:20.520 sound tests bringing back. Yeah. Absolutely insist seriously, and and like I 2220 02:13:20.600 --> 02:13:26.840 think every single techn from the start has said, good morning, you're talking 2221 02:13:26.880 --> 02:13:28.439 to the machines specifically, right, yeah, we can go turn on the 2222 02:13:28.520 --> 02:13:31.760 fucking ones out there, and they still do it. The one that has 2223 02:13:31.960 --> 02:13:33.039 the internet of a PS three in it. Yeah, the tech and TAG 2224 02:13:33.119 --> 02:13:37.119 two that boots up to the fucking PS three XMB that the quickly vanishes and 2225 02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:43.000 goes into weird arcade boot up. It's weird that that will eventually tell you 2226 02:13:43.159 --> 02:13:46.560 good morning. I think I'm good. Who is it? It's not he 2227 02:13:46.720 --> 02:13:50.079 hachi. I mean I will never know. No, it's gonna be a 2228 02:13:50.119 --> 02:13:52.960 mystery for the ages. It's the announcer. I think it's the tech and 2229 02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:58.720 announcers that makes sense. Jason yo, I mean the emails from Jason. 2230 02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:01.600 Oh, but also Jason, you can answer it, we can share it. 2231 02:14:01.680 --> 02:14:05.840 Oh, this is a Jason from Illinois and you guys to settle a 2232 02:14:05.960 --> 02:14:07.920 debate. I got into an argument with a friend. He said he shampooed 2233 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:11.880 after soaping. I told him that was insane. Always shampoo first, then 2234 02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:16.159 I'll shave, then soap. I was hoping you would side with me and 2235 02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:18.880 I could continue to call this guy crazy. Yeah, shampoo first, Yeah, 2236 02:14:18.920 --> 02:14:24.800 totally down, work your way down. But I that's just the you 2237 02:14:24.960 --> 02:14:28.560 know, that's the process. I don't know if it's any better or worse. 2238 02:14:28.680 --> 02:14:31.680 Yeah. No, I often shampoo last because I'll get my eyes full 2239 02:14:31.720 --> 02:14:33.840 of soap and then get out and wipe my eyes off. You rent it 2240 02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:37.439 and then you go to soaping. Well, I rinse it and then like 2241 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:39.520 then I've got water in my eyes and I don't like water in my eyes. 2242 02:14:39.680 --> 02:14:43.279 I don't open my eyes after after before they are wiped. I am 2243 02:14:43.359 --> 02:14:46.640 super blinded by water. Yea, my eyes same here. It's terrible, 2244 02:14:46.760 --> 02:14:50.600 it's painful, it's a bad scene. I'm with you, Dad, Okay, 2245 02:14:50.800 --> 02:14:56.560 shampoo first, yeah, always, But but I just go on? 2246 02:14:58.359 --> 02:15:01.520 Okay, all right, fine? Why the debate? Yeah, like this, 2247 02:15:01.720 --> 02:15:07.239 this doesn't matter. We're all getting clean, right, personal preference, 2248 02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:09.720 you know. But I can get behind that. The soap sets from your 2249 02:15:09.760 --> 02:15:11.479 head still wash down your body, whether you've soaped up or not. You're 2250 02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:16.199 still getting the benefits of that soap on your body, whether you've washed it 2251 02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:20.079 with soap first or last. Shouldn't make sense if you go from top to 2252 02:15:20.119 --> 02:15:22.199 bottom, though, because you want to wash your face before you wash your 2253 02:15:22.199 --> 02:15:26.239 butt. I could get behind that, right, Yeah, maybe the other 2254 02:15:26.279 --> 02:15:28.800 way, right, We should move on. I think it depends on on 2255 02:15:28.880 --> 02:15:33.079 the methods and how many different times of soaps you've got you're using. That's 2256 02:15:33.079 --> 02:15:35.600 fair. Yes, So if you're putting a bar of soap in your butt 2257 02:15:35.720 --> 02:15:39.680 cheeks, then don't rub the bar of soap on your face afterwards. It's 2258 02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:43.239 the old credit card method. Yes, Okay, if you're doing a tip 2259 02:15:43.359 --> 02:15:46.079 drill with a fucking bar of soap. Okay, now we definitely in the 2260 02:15:46.159 --> 02:15:56.239 shower. A high five, buddy, right and b at least I know 2261 02:15:56.319 --> 02:16:01.239 you're all squeaky clean. Good to know. Can a bar of soap get 2262 02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:03.840 dirty? That's the real question. God's yeah, yeah, you'll see it 2263 02:16:03.880 --> 02:16:05.920 sometimes since its got stuff on it. Well, then to hold it unto 2264 02:16:05.920 --> 02:16:09.880 the shower for a little bit, yeah, yeah, but it does that. 2265 02:16:09.039 --> 02:16:13.319 Like I've lived with enough like roommates to where yeah, they just use 2266 02:16:13.359 --> 02:16:16.039 the bar of sub directly on their body, and it's like, probably shouldn't 2267 02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:18.600 do that because you're covered in hair and now my bar of soap busy and 2268 02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:20.640 you haven't cleaned it off. You mother fucker. What do you do if 2269 02:16:20.680 --> 02:16:22.920 you're not doing directly on the body? Do it one of the lufa things 2270 02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:26.560 or something. You can do it in your hands, like I'll I'll rub 2271 02:16:26.640 --> 02:16:28.520 the Yeah, I get enough soap from that, for sure. I'm not 2272 02:16:28.600 --> 02:16:31.239 big on the like the body jail stuff for having to do stuff on your 2273 02:16:31.280 --> 02:16:33.600 hands, because then you're just constantly having to reapply things and do things. 2274 02:16:33.719 --> 02:16:39.239 I used, I used it. I went through a bottle of body wash 2275 02:16:39.600 --> 02:16:41.879 given that a try for for the first time and not a fan. I 2276 02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:43.440 have to do it at the gym, and it's it's not great, but 2277 02:16:43.520 --> 02:16:48.479 it had it had grit in it, which I appreciated, some nice like 2278 02:16:48.639 --> 02:16:52.520 exfoliated rough stuff, scour yourself, yeah, which which is helpful. I 2279 02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:54.040 do like the gem stuff because it's the same thing. The shampoo and the 2280 02:16:54.040 --> 02:16:56.719 body wash is the exact same. So you just put a shipload in your 2281 02:16:56.719 --> 02:17:00.760 hand and just go to town on everything that seems wrong somehow. It's a 2282 02:17:00.879 --> 02:17:03.399 shampoo plus body whatever thing. It's gotta be all right. I don't I 2283 02:17:03.440 --> 02:17:07.319 don't like that you want to combine shampoo and conditioner. I'm right here with 2284 02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:09.079 you. Yeah, Like, let's do it. I've got one, yeah, 2285 02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:13.719 one thing that just does everything. Shampoo, body wash, and I 2286 02:17:13.799 --> 02:17:18.319 think Dasher as well. It's got shaving stuff, it's got like aloe stuff, 2287 02:17:18.360 --> 02:17:20.959 and I just get fucking covered in the stuff. It is for breakfast. 2288 02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:22.319 I mean, how many different things does it do? Is it caffeinated? 2289 02:17:22.719 --> 02:17:26.440 I wish I wish I had a grit though. Now someone made it 2290 02:17:26.479 --> 02:17:30.840 caffeinated, so yeah, you can definitely. Yeah, it's bad news. 2291 02:17:31.840 --> 02:17:35.079 Uh. Email from Dominic Hey guys, My one question is where is Resident 2292 02:17:35.159 --> 02:17:39.760 Evil seven? You think it's even being made? Or is Capcom stuck in 2293 02:17:39.879 --> 02:17:43.440 remake mode? Didn't they say they were making one? Did they? They 2294 02:17:43.479 --> 02:17:46.239 said they're remaking two, but I would assume it be a different team, 2295 02:17:46.440 --> 02:17:48.280 right, Yeah, that couldn't be. Yeah, I thought they said, 2296 02:17:48.559 --> 02:17:50.360 well, I don't know. Yeah, certainly Capcolm is capable of making an 2297 02:17:50.440 --> 02:17:54.559 R E two remake and an RD seven if they want, Yeah, because 2298 02:17:54.559 --> 02:17:58.120 it's not like they're making other things. It's like why not, But they's 2299 02:17:58.159 --> 02:18:01.559 got the time with all these remakes. Though six went the way it went, 2300 02:18:01.680 --> 02:18:03.600 it was fucking terrible, and like also, I feel like, didn't 2301 02:18:03.719 --> 02:18:09.280 all the stories out of there imply that like six happened the way it did 2302 02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:13.000 because nobody wanted to make it or something. I thought the word on the 2303 02:18:13.040 --> 02:18:16.799 street was that Resident Evil was not like a hot property within Capcom. Yeah, 2304 02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:20.079 so they like what intentionally sabbatized. No. I was just saying, 2305 02:18:20.159 --> 02:18:22.159 it's like, you know, like somebody got a sign to it to do 2306 02:18:22.239 --> 02:18:24.719 it. It was the opposite of a passion project. Yeah, that's what 2307 02:18:24.719 --> 02:18:26.520 I mean. It's like, hey, somebody's got to make this, Like 2308 02:18:26.600 --> 02:18:28.280 come up with an idea, you know, I'm not. I don't know. 2309 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:30.920 I spoke with some of the people that were that made Are You Six, 2310 02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:33.159 like as they were announcing it, and at the time they seemed reasonably 2311 02:18:33.200 --> 02:18:35.159 excited. Oh you know, I guess you could deepen, but they were 2312 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:39.680 all speaking Japanese, so who knows. And sure, I mean they were 2313 02:18:39.760 --> 02:18:43.000 ambitious with it, like it's a super long game with like what six different 2314 02:18:43.159 --> 02:18:46.520 characters? Yeah, they were, you know, it was going forward in 2315 02:18:46.559 --> 02:18:50.879 a way. Five certainly did not fucking reviewing that game, God damn, 2316 02:18:50.920 --> 02:18:56.559 it just kept going finding out how disturbingly uncomfortably long it was. It was 2317 02:18:56.639 --> 02:19:00.719 like thirty hours long. Like a fourth campaign opened up up. Yeah, 2318 02:19:00.920 --> 02:19:03.200 just when you thought you were done, just when you thought you had finished 2319 02:19:03.200 --> 02:19:05.840 all three characters stories, Hey here's a fourth character. God damn it, 2320 02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:13.760 just when you see now that sounds like a good value. Fuck. I 2321 02:19:13.799 --> 02:19:16.440 don't know. Is there any like aspect of Resident Evil that you think they 2322 02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:20.079 need to return? Like, what would you even do the remake? I 2323 02:19:20.159 --> 02:19:22.959 just want more of that old style. Like I hated six, I thought 2324 02:19:22.959 --> 02:19:24.680 five is okay. I mean four is definitely my favorite. But like now 2325 02:19:24.760 --> 02:19:28.479 that I get that old game play. I find it's just like a more 2326 02:19:28.559 --> 02:19:33.079 militarized like shootery take on four co op and so. And even if you 2327 02:19:33.120 --> 02:19:35.120 weren't doing coopy an AI part, so she never really felt alone necessarily. 2328 02:19:35.239 --> 02:19:37.920 It's still played really well. Yeah, I like I enjoyed five quite a 2329 02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:41.520 bit. Yeah, okay, but it's not as good as four. Vinnie 2330 02:19:41.559 --> 02:19:45.319 and I played the ship out of five. Yeah, like her trust Yeah 2331 02:19:45.319 --> 02:19:46.559 we got we got all the achievements. Actually, now that I think about 2332 02:19:46.559 --> 02:19:50.479 it, weird. Yeah, but yeah, I want more of the old 2333 02:19:50.559 --> 02:19:54.399 style now that I've gone back and understood it. Yeah, just what I 2334 02:19:54.840 --> 02:19:56.959 thought. That's what six was supposed to be. Like, returned to the 2335 02:19:56.479 --> 02:20:00.760 six goes way hard because they because that was in six, they were like, 2336 02:20:01.239 --> 02:20:05.239 zombies are back. That's true. I think maybe well the different poms 2337 02:20:05.319 --> 02:20:11.159 or whatever the fun they were. There's bows, bows, there's definitely bowl. 2338 02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:15.159 I mean, the different playable characters had slightly different styles, like Chris 2339 02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:18.440 was full on cover shooter, Gears of War kind of thing. Yeah, 2340 02:20:18.159 --> 02:20:22.360 and then you had your mansion stuff with Rookie cop le n S. Kennedy, 2341 02:20:22.440 --> 02:20:24.000 right, Yes, that's right. Yes, Leon was in one of 2342 02:20:24.040 --> 02:20:26.120 those. I never got passed the first one. I thought, oh really, 2343 02:20:26.120 --> 02:20:28.159 you didn't play Oh my god, No, I played like to the 2344 02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:31.879 end of the first story, right, this one sucks. Yes, Leon 2345 02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:35.040 was kind of your your throw back to four or whatever. Okay, Chris 2346 02:20:35.159 --> 02:20:39.959 was full on like shooter style. Uh god, I can't remember the name 2347 02:20:39.959 --> 02:20:43.200 of the character, the mister of Unlocking, and she saw all these line 2348 02:20:43.239 --> 02:20:50.959 puzzles, Claire, it was what's his name? I forget what his name 2349 02:20:50.040 --> 02:20:52.680 was. He had all kinds of weird monster powers. Yeah, Jake, 2350 02:20:52.760 --> 02:20:56.520 Oh that's right, and then stupid that I can remember that, yeah, 2351 02:20:56.680 --> 02:21:01.079 Widow. And then you might be able to guess who the the secret super 2352 02:21:01.120 --> 02:21:05.760 secret character was. Yes, wait which one? Okay? All right, 2353 02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:09.000 why is that guessable? Wait? Hang on, I don't know. They've 2354 02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:11.159 always affect you pulled that out. I was like, wait, what they've 2355 02:21:11.159 --> 02:21:15.840 always They've always played her up as like the shadowy operative who's making things happen 2356 02:21:15.879 --> 02:21:18.159 behind the scenes four. When they listened on PS two, they had one 2357 02:21:18.239 --> 02:21:20.319 mode, right, So if you're if you were going to have a hidden 2358 02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:26.600 playable character, it would it would be her. Sure about meat Hunk? 2359 02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:31.479 I think I don't know I have meat was Mortal Kombat. Hunk is whatever? 2360 02:21:31.639 --> 02:21:33.959 Wait is there a hunk and a Tofu? I think Hunk is just 2361 02:21:33.040 --> 02:21:37.719 a dude tofu. Yeah, Hunk is just a guy in a has Matt 2362 02:21:39.239 --> 02:21:41.440 gas mask kind of. I don't. I have no idea what they do 2363 02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:45.120 with a new Resident Evil. I was still working on that a multiplayer game, 2364 02:21:45.239 --> 02:21:46.879 right that hasn't come out yet? Yeah? Which one? Uh? 2365 02:21:48.040 --> 02:21:50.159 I'm not talking about Operation Raccords. Yeah, that's the one. No that 2366 02:21:50.280 --> 02:21:56.799 they what's it called? Announced one? Break was original one, wasn't it? 2367 02:21:56.000 --> 02:22:00.200 I cannot remember. There is some fucking shooter that they are It is 2368 02:22:00.200 --> 02:22:01.879 all fast. I think they put out some new footage of it a week 2369 02:22:01.959 --> 02:22:05.000 or two ago. Yeah that sounds okay, Yeah, I cannot All right, 2370 02:22:05.040 --> 02:22:09.000 I'm gonna go out to this the fucking capcom Press site and fucking look 2371 02:22:09.120 --> 02:22:11.079 up the name of this fucking game. Yeah, I do it. We 2372 02:22:11.360 --> 02:22:16.239 need to know. Did you have to play that game for work or were 2373 02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:18.479 you just playing it? So the first one six I was just playing it. 2374 02:22:18.879 --> 02:22:22.040 Yeah, Tim reviewed and you have the luxury tapping out whenever you felt 2375 02:22:22.040 --> 02:22:24.680 like it. I think most people had g I played it just so they 2376 02:22:24.719 --> 02:22:28.680 could try and improved Tim Rong. We yelled at him that last he gave 2377 02:22:28.719 --> 02:22:33.360 it like a nine or something that he loved resme six still stands by it, 2378 02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:37.200 and we gave him ship that in three, three and nine point six 2379 02:22:37.399 --> 02:22:41.040 those are both mediocre to bad game nine point seven five we still give Tim. 2380 02:22:41.360 --> 02:22:43.680 They resonated with Zim though, Yeah, he really liked dead Space. 2381 02:22:43.760 --> 02:22:48.319 Three is by far the least of the Dead Space games for sure, by 2382 02:22:48.399 --> 02:22:50.719 far. And six, from what I've played, is the resident game. 2383 02:22:50.840 --> 02:22:58.440 Yeah, well people didn't like three. Yeah, yeah, three is the 2384 02:22:58.440 --> 02:23:01.040 only one I didn't really play. I'm having issue who was connecting to the 2385 02:23:01.159 --> 02:23:07.520 wireless fireless wireless fireless? Wait? No, guessing there it goes. Okay, 2386 02:23:07.079 --> 02:23:11.120 tell me your search methodology for finding the name of this game. I'm 2387 02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:15.760 going to site. That's probably a more targeted approach than I would take, 2388 02:23:15.799 --> 02:23:18.559 which is to go to Google and type in Resideval shooter Resideval or just no, 2389 02:23:18.680 --> 02:23:24.639 that's not it, uh, Dragons Umbrella Corps, Yes, right, 2390 02:23:24.079 --> 02:23:26.719 haven't heard of it. That's not in make Did they announce that like three 2391 02:23:26.799 --> 02:23:31.000 years ago or something? Nother thing to operate on you say, you're thinking 2392 02:23:31.000 --> 02:23:35.120 of the other shooter that they announced that thing in Hawaii. Yes, okay, 2393 02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:39.639 Captivate, Yes, captivate. And then the last Captivate was in Rome, 2394 02:23:39.719 --> 02:23:41.959 where I sat down with the RD six developers briefly and ate a meal 2395 02:23:43.079 --> 02:23:46.159 next to them and we chatted. We chatted about how weird it was that 2396 02:23:46.239 --> 02:23:50.639 the numbers were so high, and then they laughed at Final Fantasy. Yeah, 2397 02:23:50.719 --> 02:23:54.760 and now they're making you know who's laughing out? Yes, it's like 2398 02:23:54.959 --> 02:23:58.840 but they were making are six? Who's making the Numbrella Corps? Oh? 2399 02:23:58.920 --> 02:24:01.760 Man, I don't work about it in this last Let's move on. Actually, 2400 02:24:03.079 --> 02:24:05.440 this is way too much talk about. Just say it's either Platinum or 2401 02:24:05.440 --> 02:24:13.920 Gearbox. I mean that's usually m hm. They announced it in September at 2402 02:24:13.959 --> 02:24:18.399 the oh Is, at the press conference for TGS. Okay, yes, 2403 02:24:18.559 --> 02:24:22.280 right, okay, Yeah, it's being made in Unity. Okay you really? 2404 02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:26.920 Yeah weird see a lot of big publisher games being made in Unity. 2405 02:24:28.280 --> 02:24:30.879 I've gone through three articles that I don't mention. Yeah, yeah, that's 2406 02:24:30.879 --> 02:24:33.479 all right. It might actually be just an internal Capcom teams. I don't 2407 02:24:33.479 --> 02:24:39.719 know. I've heard what I need. Here here's an email from Stewart in 2408 02:24:39.799 --> 02:24:48.719 Birham, Birmingham, Alabama, No England, Birmingham. Sure, maybe you 2409 02:24:48.840 --> 02:24:52.040 tell me High Bomb Squad. Just a note on the Xenomorph design in Mortal 2410 02:24:52.079 --> 02:24:56.200 Kombat X. You said it looks like a dude with an alien helmet on 2411 02:24:56.319 --> 02:24:58.840 it? Does? I mean it's like just a muscle bound looking human like 2412 02:25:00.079 --> 02:25:03.760 body with an alien head. I mean that's not too far from the Xenomorphs, 2413 02:25:03.799 --> 02:25:07.000 were they It's just the triple age from Immortals, and they put a 2414 02:25:07.079 --> 02:25:13.559 xenomorph lankier kind of thing, and uh well, the reason it looks the 2415 02:25:13.600 --> 02:25:18.000 way it does is because this is a hybrid of the Xenomorph and a Baracca. 2416 02:25:18.319 --> 02:25:20.079 Yes, suck it. This was done to please the fans looking for 2417 02:25:20.159 --> 02:25:24.879 a new Baracco while also adding a completely new take on the character. You 2418 02:25:24.959 --> 02:25:28.559 can see from the trailer that the alien bursts from Baracca's chest and has adopted 2419 02:25:28.639 --> 02:25:33.920 his blade arms as a trait. Just wanted to drop this useless knowledge and 2420 02:25:33.000 --> 02:25:37.639 thanks again for the amazing content. Okay, yeah, that actually makes me 2421 02:25:37.719 --> 02:25:43.280 feel way better about that character part Tarcatan. It's a real good word to 2422 02:25:43.319 --> 02:25:48.559 say as one of five people on the planet who didn't hate Prometheus. All 2423 02:25:48.639 --> 02:25:52.959 right, that ties that ties into both the Mortal Kombat and the alien lore 2424 02:25:54.239 --> 02:25:58.520 having having it kind of you know, hybrid eyes the same universe, adopting 2425 02:25:58.520 --> 02:26:01.719 the genetic traits of the hoster. Whatever. Yeah, leather Face lives there. 2426 02:26:01.920 --> 02:26:07.000 Okay, Tryborg, Tryborg. But I wonder if I wonder if well, 2427 02:26:07.000 --> 02:26:09.559 I'm sure there's probably footage that would answer this question, but I wonder 2428 02:26:09.559 --> 02:26:13.799 if that means the alien just plays like Broca. I mean, maybe you 2429 02:26:13.799 --> 02:26:16.559 don't have multiple styles, some modifications obviously, you know, it's also got 2430 02:26:16.600 --> 02:26:18.719 a tail and stuff to work with. But you think the blade fury is 2431 02:26:18.799 --> 02:26:22.920 there? Probably, Yeah, it's gonna move if it's got the arm blades. 2432 02:26:22.920 --> 02:26:26.879 How do you not? Right? Yeah, I haven't seen any footage. 2433 02:26:26.879 --> 02:26:30.200 I don't know. I didn't realize until a couple of years ago that 2434 02:26:30.239 --> 02:26:33.239 Barack is actually making a spark with his blades and that's what the scrapes them 2435 02:26:33.239 --> 02:26:35.239 together. I thought it was just like a weird fireball thing. But he's 2436 02:26:35.440 --> 02:26:39.040 doing a cool thing. That's just weird because most projectiles and fighting games, 2437 02:26:39.079 --> 02:26:43.440 they don't come close to bothering to just find out, like, how the 2438 02:26:43.479 --> 02:26:50.920 fuck does Jack's make that thing he's gonna arm? Why can Jack's grow it 2439 02:26:50.920 --> 02:26:54.639 to be like twenty story stall. That wasn't a friendship that was just fatal 2440 02:26:54.799 --> 02:26:56.559 And where does he get that arcade machine from? It's always just hanging out. 2441 02:26:56.959 --> 02:27:00.760 He brings a crane of every fight. Okay, No, he turns 2442 02:27:00.799 --> 02:27:03.719 into dragon mode and then he picks up the arcade machine, puts it up 2443 02:27:03.719 --> 02:27:05.319 there, gets it ready. That's Luke Kang. I mean yeah, it's 2444 02:27:05.319 --> 02:27:13.040 also Jaxson't dropping arcade machea. Was like, there are two arcade machine. 2445 02:27:13.079 --> 02:27:16.200 There's an arcade machines in a friendship, though, isn't there. I think 2446 02:27:16.239 --> 02:27:20.879 there's one where somebody plays a game, but the only fatality is Luke Kang? 2447 02:27:20.159 --> 02:27:26.120 And is it three? He drops the one block and run right, 2448 02:27:26.479 --> 02:27:28.280 yeah right, and then Jackson it just gets big and steps on you. 2449 02:27:28.520 --> 02:27:31.840 Yeah, that's was it? Run block run, No, that's the that's 2450 02:27:31.840 --> 02:27:35.399 one where he tears off the arms and he just flexes. That's a really 2451 02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:37.440 good one and then he just staying there with blood squirting out. No. 2452 02:27:37.559 --> 02:27:39.760 No, that's the one that's like hold down low, punch four down down. 2453 02:27:39.959 --> 02:27:41.559 Know that the arm one is like run block run run blow. No, 2454 02:27:41.639 --> 02:27:43.840 you're thinking about where it was block block block, block high kick. 2455 02:27:45.079 --> 02:27:46.879 No, I think I used to constantly do the arm rip. One. 2456 02:27:48.520 --> 02:27:50.639 Am I thinking I'm thinking of two? I'm always I'm never thinking of two. 2457 02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:54.239 Okay, you like playing three better than two? Yeah? Oh man, 2458 02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:56.040 he didn't grow into No, he did not, but he had the 2459 02:27:56.120 --> 02:28:00.600 arm rip. I'll I'll play two with you. I'm and I'll play too 2460 02:28:00.600 --> 02:28:03.639 with you. No problem, world kind of bat two is a good video 2461 02:28:03.680 --> 02:28:07.520 games. Yes. Stewart left a PostScript which says fuck most of London. 2462 02:28:09.280 --> 02:28:13.280 Yeah, I bet I have Yeah, there you have it. Yeah time 2463 02:28:13.600 --> 02:28:22.200 Louis and Chicago writes in with a message addressed to Dan. Okay, as 2464 02:28:22.280 --> 02:28:24.399 we all know your friend in mind, Dan Ryker claims to love America and 2465 02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:28.920 to this effect owns several pieces of American flag clothing. Does he know that 2466 02:28:30.000 --> 02:28:33.159 this is against Federal US Flag Code? Is he familiar with Section one forty 2467 02:28:33.200 --> 02:28:37.879 six Subsection D, which respectively state the flag should not be dipped to any 2468 02:28:37.959 --> 02:28:43.680 person or thing and the flag should never be used as wearing apparel, betting, 2469 02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:46.959 or drapery. Does he know that he has the Benedict Arnold of our 2470 02:28:46.040 --> 02:28:50.040 time? Granted, none of this is actually against the law, but let 2471 02:28:50.120 --> 02:28:52.600 it be known a baby bald eagle cries every time he wears the stupid looking 2472 02:28:52.600 --> 02:28:58.360 American flag pajama pants. That is referring to wearing an actual American flag as 2473 02:28:58.360 --> 02:29:03.200 a literal, like I took it off the flag pole and then draping yourself 2474 02:29:03.239 --> 02:29:05.760 in it, made a jacket out of it or something. I am wearing 2475 02:29:05.040 --> 02:29:09.639 clothing with the design of the American flag on it, which is totally different, 2476 02:29:09.719 --> 02:29:11.920 subtle but crucial distinction. Yeah, okay, I would never sully the 2477 02:29:11.959 --> 02:29:16.000 actual flag. Okay, except for my actual American flag that I own still 2478 02:29:16.079 --> 02:29:20.799 has red mist on it from when Alex spitt it at me. Who's so, 2479 02:29:20.879 --> 02:29:22.840 I think that means that it has to be burned. That's the one 2480 02:29:22.920 --> 02:29:26.840 case where you can burn a flag as if it's been soiled, right and 2481 02:29:26.239 --> 02:29:33.719 wrestling related mist and then it's no longer an American flags to burn it immediately, 2482 02:29:33.920 --> 02:29:37.920 wow, if it is involved in a wrestling event, even a pseudo 2483 02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:45.200 wrestling event Madonna tried at one time, Yeah, got her? Well? 2484 02:29:45.639 --> 02:29:50.520 How many times was she champion? None? None? Yeah? I mean 2485 02:29:50.680 --> 02:29:56.520 yeah, that's a good point. We'll see, all right, Well, 2486 02:29:56.719 --> 02:29:58.959 I will accept your defense, I suppose, Okay, all rights up. 2487 02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:03.959 Yeah. One more email from Teagan in Canada. Why doesn't know whatever? 2488 02:30:05.040 --> 02:30:07.799 Bring up that only one of the Chaos emerald is green. Being green is 2489 02:30:07.920 --> 02:30:13.399 literally the defining characteristic of an emerald. Otherwise it's a different gym, like 2490 02:30:13.479 --> 02:30:18.079 a heliodor or an aquamarine. Why aren't they just chaos gyms or something. 2491 02:30:18.200 --> 02:30:22.840 Look, I'm gonna direct you to the other word in its name. Yeah, 2492 02:30:22.319 --> 02:30:26.920 chaos. Okay, all right, that's your answer. Go on, 2493 02:30:26.079 --> 02:30:30.760 No, is that it? Okay? Fucking chaos? What color is this 2494 02:30:30.879 --> 02:30:33.000 emerald? Well, we think it would be green, right, No, 2495 02:30:33.239 --> 02:30:35.799 fucking chaos, chaotic, It could be any We don't know too much. 2496 02:30:35.840 --> 02:30:39.639 Fucking chaos might be one color one minute and then something else next. Is 2497 02:30:39.680 --> 02:30:43.680 that in the comics that you get? Yeah? He likes chili dogs in 2498 02:30:43.680 --> 02:30:46.840 the comics. Also. Okay, all right, Well there's your official in 2499 02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:52.159 world Cannon answer. No, no prize for you. Uh. That was 2500 02:30:52.239 --> 02:31:00.360 depressingly business liking to the point. BombCast, Giant bomb dot com emails something 2501 02:31:00.399 --> 02:31:05.319 there and stuff. Nothing from tumbler. Huh Nah, We're gonna take a 2502 02:31:05.360 --> 02:31:07.479 tumbler. I mean I can take a look at it. I kind of 2503 02:31:07.479 --> 02:31:11.959 had my fill. I had slight tumbler time out I had, I had 2504 02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:13.920 my fill for a couple of weeks. There, I'll take a quick look, 2505 02:31:15.000 --> 02:31:18.360 all right, quick look tumbler yep. Oh god, I can't put 2506 02:31:18.399 --> 02:31:26.680 that video on YouTube. Definitely not hang on only pull it up? What 2507 02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:31.200 does donut create push? Dan actually had the answer to this question. This 2508 02:31:31.479 --> 02:31:35.680 is like, Yeah, I was talking to my girlfriend about this, who 2509 02:31:35.719 --> 02:31:39.079 was watching the upf and she started looking up the donut create push stuff, 2510 02:31:39.159 --> 02:31:41.440 or she saw the chat talking about it, or for him. I don't 2511 02:31:41.479 --> 02:31:46.040 know exactly how, but she found out that it is a mistranslation of sorts 2512 02:31:46.280 --> 02:31:52.799 no of U. Basically, what it's trying to say is donuts create cushion 2513 02:31:52.879 --> 02:31:56.040 for the pushing yep, and donuts make you fat, which creates more cushion 2514 02:31:56.079 --> 02:31:58.879 for for pushing. It's comfy, So donut create push. It's just kind 2515 02:31:58.879 --> 02:32:03.959 of a weird translations, just a raw distillation of the concept. So that 2516 02:32:03.079 --> 02:32:05.719 is what it means. It's not completely random. I'm sorry, where did 2517 02:32:05.760 --> 02:32:09.040 it come from? Where did you see it create push? It's from love 2518 02:32:09.079 --> 02:32:13.920 Beat the Hot Korean Oh okay, oh yeah, it's not here for It's 2519 02:32:13.959 --> 02:32:16.000 great time. Same it's free to play check it out. Yeah, it's 2520 02:32:16.000 --> 02:32:20.879 called love beat got it? Real good stuff? Got it? Uh? 2521 02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:24.520 Hummus or guacamole? Uh? Both great? Yeah, no, different, 2522 02:32:26.360 --> 02:32:28.959 Hummus is healthier. I would take guacamole if I if I, if I 2523 02:32:28.040 --> 02:32:31.000 can only have one, I would prefer guacamole. But I always preferred just 2524 02:32:31.040 --> 02:32:35.479 pure avocado. Take guacamole. Really, I mean they're both awesome. Yeah, 2525 02:32:35.239 --> 02:32:39.479 I've kind of so good. Yeah, yeah it's gross. I'm still 2526 02:32:39.559 --> 02:32:43.319 very excited about both those, having tried them like the last year and eating 2527 02:32:43.360 --> 02:32:45.680 them a lot now. Yeah, yeah, they're great. Can't beat good. 2528 02:32:46.239 --> 02:32:50.200 Thomas is also nest How hummus is great just like a dip you can 2529 02:32:50.239 --> 02:32:54.200 feel good about eating it's seasoned, right, Yeah, I think it's really 2530 02:32:54.200 --> 02:32:58.600 good. I like it a lot. There's hummus season. Uh oh boy, 2531 02:32:58.680 --> 02:33:01.399 more on a questions finally, Okay, yeah, you know, let's 2532 02:33:01.440 --> 02:33:07.600 just you. You asked for this, God damn it. Uh any chance 2533 02:33:07.639 --> 02:33:11.360 of witness spoiler cast? I don't think so. I think we just addressed 2534 02:33:11.360 --> 02:33:16.399 that already. Uh. What superpower would you least want your significant other to 2535 02:33:16.520 --> 02:33:22.120 have? I mean multiple choice? No, this has to be an existing 2536 02:33:22.159 --> 02:33:28.520 superpower from fiction. You tell me open a new question. Yeah, that'll 2537 02:33:28.559 --> 02:33:35.479 be cool, I guess, yeah. I mean it's it's about that, 2538 02:33:35.600 --> 02:33:37.440 you know. It's like you have to you know, trust is inherent to 2539 02:33:37.520 --> 02:33:41.840 a relationship at some point. So do you want them to be able to 2540 02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:45.639 read your mind or something? Sure? Okay, you're an open book. 2541 02:33:46.600 --> 02:33:50.079 I just threw up playing The Witness should Steam Warren Players of games that have 2542 02:33:50.239 --> 02:33:54.120 lots of reports of causing motion sickness, especially with VR coming. I have 2543 02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:58.680 seen multiple people claim that there's an FOV thing on the PC version of The 2544 02:33:58.680 --> 02:34:03.000 Witness that they are not digging. Ye. Yes, I've seen that complain 2545 02:34:03.040 --> 02:34:05.680 a lot too. Some people also seem to think it had to do with 2546 02:34:05.760 --> 02:34:07.879 the lack of any kind of like a crosshair or like a dot in the 2547 02:34:07.879 --> 02:34:13.239 middle of the screen. That's interesting. When I worked at the theater, 2548 02:34:13.360 --> 02:34:16.360 we had Blair Witch and we had to warn people there was a lot of 2549 02:34:16.479 --> 02:34:18.799 shaky motion. Oh yeah, we had people like running out of the theater 2550 02:34:18.879 --> 02:34:24.399 throwing Yeah, so we made a disclaimer public disclaimer. It's good of you, 2551 02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:28.239 hi guy who threw up again. Have you ever been prevented from playing 2552 02:34:28.280 --> 02:34:31.120 a game you really wanted to play? Because of motion sickness or something similar 2553 02:34:31.559 --> 02:34:35.159 being too drunk. Yeah. Absolutely, I saw Jeff quit playing Mario three 2554 02:34:35.239 --> 02:34:39.120 ones out of motion sickness. Yeah, that's that's true. I was almost 2555 02:34:39.200 --> 02:34:43.159 gonna throw up. I had to stop playing Supermaro Brothers three. That'll happen. 2556 02:34:43.959 --> 02:34:48.000 Can we what? Can we have some some real talk time here at 2557 02:34:48.040 --> 02:34:50.799 the end of the show. Sure. Yeah. It's something that I've been 2558 02:34:50.959 --> 02:34:56.719 wrestling with after Super Mario Maker came out, and I've been thinking about it. 2559 02:34:56.959 --> 02:35:00.239 And it's not a this is not all the year, this is yeah, 2560 02:35:00.319 --> 02:35:01.760 yeah, this is not a hot take. This is this is just 2561 02:35:01.879 --> 02:35:07.559 a take. I don't think I like Super Mario Brothers three. What what, 2562 02:35:07.959 --> 02:35:11.719 dude? What? I'm sorry this I hear. I think it's a 2563 02:35:11.840 --> 02:35:16.959 good game, and I have like no personal attachment or affinity for it. 2564 02:35:18.319 --> 02:35:20.280 I did not own it came out, I didn't own it, and in 2565 02:35:20.360 --> 02:35:22.120 his hey day, I rented it and beat it and returned it. It 2566 02:35:22.239 --> 02:35:26.200 was the first Mario game that I did not own upon release. It was 2567 02:35:26.319 --> 02:35:30.280 after one and two. That was the first one that went really hard with 2568 02:35:30.360 --> 02:35:33.479 like secrets and the overworld map and getting the whistles and the like that did 2569 02:35:33.559 --> 02:35:37.399 so much more than I ended up renting it like twice. So I rented 2570 02:35:37.440 --> 02:35:39.799 it, finished it, returned it, and then got it again and then 2571 02:35:39.319 --> 02:35:41.280 did the whistles and all that other stuff and returned it. And then, 2572 02:35:41.360 --> 02:35:43.879 you know, years later, or you know, maybe even a year later 2573 02:35:45.079 --> 02:35:46.479 or something, ended up with a copy of it just by virtue of you 2574 02:35:46.520 --> 02:35:50.280 know, eventually that game was a dollar or less and just kind of end 2575 02:35:50.399 --> 02:35:56.840 up with it. But I don't know, like, there's there's no other 2576 02:35:56.920 --> 02:36:00.639 than I thought it was cool that there was the one world where everything was 2577 02:36:00.719 --> 02:36:05.159 big. That was great, And I like the trick to fall through the 2578 02:36:05.159 --> 02:36:07.719 platform to get those two whistles and immediately warped to the end. Like I 2579 02:36:07.799 --> 02:36:13.399 don't like the auto scroll tank level stuff. The Raccoon Tail is cool, 2580 02:36:15.040 --> 02:36:18.920 but it's no cape. But Creebo Shoe. Creebo Shoe is amazing and not 2581 02:36:18.079 --> 02:36:22.319 in enough of the levels, but when it's in a level, it's special. 2582 02:36:22.440 --> 02:36:24.280 You see that shoe and it's like, oh fuck, it's gonna be 2583 02:36:24.280 --> 02:36:26.719 a Crebo Shoe level. Yeah, you go across those munchers, yeah yeah. 2584 02:36:28.440 --> 02:36:33.040 But I just I don't have I have no love for that game. 2585 02:36:33.799 --> 02:36:37.200 I never did weird someone who loved one and two, right, Yeah, 2586 02:36:37.200 --> 02:36:39.559 when I came out. Yeah, and I feel like by the time three 2587 02:36:39.760 --> 02:36:41.360 came out, it was kind of like, you know, maybe we're moving 2588 02:36:41.360 --> 02:36:45.319 on to the Genesis, and you know, maybe it's like we're you know, 2589 02:36:45.360 --> 02:36:48.399 this stuff was kind of around the corner a little bit, and maybe 2590 02:36:48.399 --> 02:36:50.840 even I was already out. Maybe No, I guess it wouldn't have been. 2591 02:36:50.920 --> 02:36:54.479 It's nineteen ninety when Mario three came out, right, it sounds, 2592 02:36:54.559 --> 02:36:58.280 but well, Mario World was ninety one Japan. Ninety two would have been. 2593 02:36:58.600 --> 02:37:03.559 It's like, yeah, like I was kind of just yeah, I 2594 02:37:03.600 --> 02:37:07.920 don't know, like I was losing interest in the nes at some point and 2595 02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:11.959 kind of just like turning to you know, computer games and then The Genesis, 2596 02:37:11.120 --> 02:37:13.239 and you know, by that time, then you know, Sonic the 2597 02:37:13.239 --> 02:37:16.079 Hedgehog was out, and you know, that's a cool guy. I mean, 2598 02:37:16.360 --> 02:37:20.079 I guess I have to wonder that he tapped his foot. Yeah, 2599 02:37:20.120 --> 02:37:22.079 I mean that game was like everything to me when it came out. But 2600 02:37:22.120 --> 02:37:24.959 I was also five years old, right, so I don't know. But 2601 02:37:26.000 --> 02:37:28.399 I mean I go back to it now and it still plays great. Yeah, 2602 02:37:28.559 --> 02:37:30.399 Like I look at it now, and go like this is cool. 2603 02:37:30.559 --> 02:37:33.600 It's you know, this is it's a really well made game. It's it's 2604 02:37:33.719 --> 02:37:37.920 in a lot of ways, it's the first true sequel to Super Mario Brothers, 2605 02:37:37.040 --> 02:37:39.680 because you know, two in Japan was just the same as Level Pack, 2606 02:37:39.799 --> 02:37:43.479 and then two here was its own weird thing, like if the first 2607 02:37:43.479 --> 02:37:48.040 time they were able to iterate truly on their concepts to like this to the 2608 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:50.520 fullest well, and it laid the ground work for a lot of the stuff 2609 02:37:50.520 --> 02:37:52.159 that Mario World just went crazy with year as you know, the over World 2610 02:37:52.200 --> 02:37:56.280 and the Secret Exits and Star Road and like Mario World perfected it. And 2611 02:37:56.319 --> 02:37:58.680 I will say that Mario World is the best Mario game. Yeah, and 2612 02:37:58.760 --> 02:38:03.840 then that's and I've always held that position, uh and but it's like it's 2613 02:38:03.959 --> 02:38:05.360 one of those things that, like, you know, as I'm making levels 2614 02:38:05.440 --> 02:38:09.159 with the Mario Maker tool sets and stuff like three just doesn't hold any appeal. 2615 02:38:09.200 --> 02:38:11.479 And at one point I kind of started thinking, like, well, 2616 02:38:11.520 --> 02:38:13.479 I just not like the raccoon tails, Like, well, I don't like 2617 02:38:13.559 --> 02:38:16.639 it over the cape. And I went back and played some Mario three, 2618 02:38:16.680 --> 02:38:20.200 and I was like, you know what, like just I don't think I 2619 02:38:20.239 --> 02:38:24.879 don't like their implementation of the overworld and my favorite parts of Super Mario Brothers 2620 02:38:24.959 --> 02:38:30.200 three. It's a top two list and they're both tied for first. It 2621 02:38:30.360 --> 02:38:35.639 is crebos shoe and the sick fucking drums when You're Underground. I don't like. 2622 02:38:35.760 --> 02:38:41.719 I don't like the Couper kids. I don't like LP kids are totally 2623 02:38:41.760 --> 02:38:45.239 different. Okay, super Lings were originally as children, but yeah, all 2624 02:38:45.280 --> 02:38:50.159 of them named after you know, like that stuff was kind of cheesy. 2625 02:38:50.840 --> 02:38:54.600 The Nintendo Power coverage was so over the top and anticipation, but by the 2626 02:38:54.639 --> 02:38:56.280 time it came out, like maybe I was a little done with it, 2627 02:38:56.479 --> 02:38:58.639 And I think because of the age thing, I was probably a way more 2628 02:38:58.639 --> 02:39:01.280 suscept to it because yeah, I was five and I had an in Power 2629 02:39:01.360 --> 02:39:03.360 subscription and I read all this stuff. It's like, oh my god, 2630 02:39:03.399 --> 02:39:05.600 this sorks. I mean, so I was ten when the nes came out, 2631 02:39:05.760 --> 02:39:09.159 you know, so by that point, yeah, like I said, 2632 02:39:09.200 --> 02:39:16.520 I was almost you know, I would have been too cool for Brothers three 2633 02:39:16.639 --> 02:39:20.120 exactly, and I was. I was. I was heading right into Sonic 2634 02:39:20.159 --> 02:39:24.000 the Hedgehog territory because I like the cool so I love that too. I 2635 02:39:24.040 --> 02:39:28.120 loved Sonic, but I was definitely tremendously susceptible to hype back then. Yeah, 2636 02:39:28.159 --> 02:39:31.360 but there's there's and it's it's like this uncomfortable thing. Like the more 2637 02:39:31.399 --> 02:39:33.959 I think about it's like, this is an incredibly well made game. I 2638 02:39:33.040 --> 02:39:39.120 think it is just literally like I did not connect with it then and like 2639 02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:41.399 have no that's like zero love for it. Like I could play it and 2640 02:39:41.440 --> 02:39:43.399 go like, this is really well made. There are a lot of parts 2641 02:39:43.399 --> 02:39:46.520 of this that are like super well done and when it came especially for when 2642 02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:50.479 it came out and all the other stuff, but like no passion, And 2643 02:39:50.600 --> 02:39:52.479 yet with Mario World, you're kind of on board with most people's opinion that 2644 02:39:54.719 --> 02:39:56.959 game at the time. At the time, I wanted every exit. I 2645 02:39:58.079 --> 02:40:00.559 still do. Yeah, I got him then, I want to get him 2646 02:40:00.559 --> 02:40:03.159 again. I just still I can never far about the time to do it. 2647 02:40:03.479 --> 02:40:05.600 I did it a couple of years ago. Yeah, it's offer fund 2648 02:40:05.639 --> 02:40:09.639 Still it's so good. That game is so good. It's the best. 2649 02:40:11.200 --> 02:40:13.639 But you know that was you know, buying a Supernintendo and you know, 2650 02:40:13.719 --> 02:40:16.280 like, of course that's going to be like this whole next things. What 2651 02:40:16.360 --> 02:40:20.920 do you think I think the wild it's a wild it's a crazy thing. 2652 02:40:20.319 --> 02:40:24.079 Yeah, I don't know. It's like preferring Mario World. I could totally 2653 02:40:24.120 --> 02:40:28.639 see, but like straight up loving one and like not carry at all about 2654 02:40:28.639 --> 02:40:31.000 the other. Yeah, weird. I don't I don't know it win or 2655 02:40:31.079 --> 02:40:35.440 why you died inside. I don't understand that part, but like you brought 2656 02:40:35.479 --> 02:40:37.559 him back to life. Sure, but like everything you're saying about the game 2657 02:40:37.920 --> 02:40:41.719 is you know why it's so you know, universally, I think loved So 2658 02:40:41.879 --> 02:40:48.200 I'm having trouble understanding. Yeah, what's going on here? Like in general, 2659 02:40:48.360 --> 02:40:48.760 I think it was just you know, it was it was a game 2660 02:40:48.799 --> 02:40:54.280 that I just I didn't own, sure, and so I encountered it quickly. 2661 02:40:54.280 --> 02:40:58.000 I stayed home from school, I called it I've rented it, and 2662 02:40:58.120 --> 02:41:03.799 then was sick for multiple days, uh to finish it because I was so 2663 02:41:03.920 --> 02:41:05.360 hot and heavy to play it. And then like I was done with it, 2664 02:41:05.360 --> 02:41:09.200 and I was like ring out, all right, what do you prefer? 2665 02:41:09.280 --> 02:41:11.639 Do you prefer getting a wand at the end of the world and turning 2666 02:41:11.719 --> 02:41:16.040 like a walrus king into a man or destroying a castle in a comical fashion. 2667 02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:20.120 I kind of like doing get doing drop kicks to a castle. Yeah, 2668 02:41:20.399 --> 02:41:22.959 that's pretty good. We're going out in the distance, like the rocket 2669 02:41:22.000 --> 02:41:24.319 go off and a land on the hill and then the hill has a band 2670 02:41:24.360 --> 02:41:28.959 aid. Yeah that's great. I love that stuff about some planes made out 2671 02:41:30.000 --> 02:41:33.040 of donuts. Yeah. The Super Marinol World is the game that we can 2672 02:41:33.079 --> 02:41:37.559 all agree on. Yeah, as a as a society. That's what I've 2673 02:41:37.600 --> 02:41:41.159 reached for first. And I'm perfectly okay being the person always got into the 2674 02:41:41.239 --> 02:41:46.239 ready these the one person who just doesn't have it for Mario three, Okay, 2675 02:41:46.440 --> 02:41:48.559 I wouldn't say I think about that game often, but you know, 2676 02:41:48.600 --> 02:41:52.040 I don't have any animosities for it. I think about it a lot. 2677 02:41:52.239 --> 02:41:56.319 It's just a slight step in the Mario pantheon for me, World is number 2678 02:41:56.360 --> 02:42:01.319 one, Three is number two, and then the Galaxy games and then send 2679 02:42:01.360 --> 02:42:05.799 Shina, then sixty four. I see. Now if you're crazy, there's 2680 02:42:05.799 --> 02:42:09.680 like congratulations, You've made me seem totally okay. This is the topic for 2681 02:42:09.719 --> 02:42:16.120 another day. Jesus, the people live wide open, all right. Do 2682 02:42:16.200 --> 02:42:18.959 you do half an a press and finish levels in Super Mario Sunshine? I 2683 02:42:18.959 --> 02:42:24.079 don't think so. That's a heavy question. Also a question for another time. 2684 02:42:24.479 --> 02:42:31.319 Bodcast at giant bomb dot com is the email address and bobcast tumbler dot 2685 02:42:31.360 --> 02:42:35.040 com. Did you prefer ta get out of here? All right? I 2686 02:42:35.120 --> 02:42:37.280 think this lightning is doing weird things to my head. Yeah, we're gonna 2687 02:42:37.280 --> 02:42:39.280 walk out and it's gonna be like that. I'm starting to see stuff. 2688 02:42:41.440 --> 02:42:43.360 I'm just gonna go read Steve Kim's Twitter now and just look at all of 2689 02:42:43.440 --> 02:42:48.840 the witness puzzles in real life. Just go check that stuff out. Yeah 2690 02:42:48.920 --> 02:42:52.000 it's yeah, it's a real good, real good work coming out of there 2691 02:42:52.040 --> 02:42:54.479 over the weekend. What's they doing like chronicling it? No? No, 2692 02:42:54.639 --> 02:42:56.520 no, just like you just want to go. Let just go over the 2693 02:42:56.520 --> 02:42:58.239 Twitter. Alright, Yeah, there's some some there's some good material there. 2694 02:43:00.040 --> 02:43:01.879 All right. Well that's going to do it for this week's podcast. There's 2695 02:43:01.879 --> 02:43:05.559 some stuff happening this week, but I think the schedule is someone in flux. 2696 02:43:05.559 --> 02:43:09.159 Yeah, I don't know what's going on and nail a few things down. 2697 02:43:09.319 --> 02:43:11.920 Yeah, there will be things, but we're not quite sure what we're 2698 02:43:11.959 --> 02:43:18.760 winning. Those Giant Bomb East folks got it's more curable space action, yes, 2699 02:43:18.000 --> 02:43:22.079 and more on the way. Yes. Oh we're on SoundCloud now. 2700 02:43:22.399 --> 02:43:24.840 Oh, if people care. Yeah, it's an altern you know, if 2701 02:43:24.840 --> 02:43:28.159 people we're gonna doesn't change anything about the way you're getting the show. But 2702 02:43:28.239 --> 02:43:31.840 if you like SoundCloud, you can go to SoundCloud dot com slash giant bomb 2703 02:43:31.959 --> 02:43:37.479 cast and you can subscribe to it there. It's a good service SoundCloud. 2704 02:43:37.639 --> 02:43:41.120 SoundCloud. Yeah, I don't know good things. It's uh yeah, I've 2705 02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:45.040 I've had an account there for a while. There's neat stuff about it. 2706 02:43:45.440 --> 02:43:48.520 Audio audio through the internet. Yeah, you can get it, yeah, 2707 02:43:48.520 --> 02:43:50.639 a lot of ways. Great, all right, well let's go do it. 2708 02:43:50.680 --> 02:43:52.879 Then we're gonna get the hell out of here and go to something else 2709 02:43:52.920 --> 02:43:56.399 for seven days, and we'll be right back here next week for another edition 2710 02:43:56.040 --> 02:43:58.520 of the Chip Podcast. M