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Welcome to I on the Ball.
You know, Fox Sports fourteen fifty I'm

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Steve Rivera, He's Jagon's. Also
got a guy Jason in today handling the

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booth or board. Welcome to Tuesday. Lots going on. We have I

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show. Yeah, you know,
God, Jim young Man came here fifty

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years ago, sive oh years ago, so I've never really met him.

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I'm sure you have. I know
I've never met him, So that's cool.

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Then we have uh, Greg Hanson
the second hour. Right, So

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one of our buddies texted me and
says, it's the old guy day to

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day. Well I told Greg,
I said, Greg, would love to

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have you on the show today,
and I'll tell you what, you won't

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be the oldest guy on the show. And he said sure. I thought

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to myself, Gun, I'm gonna
be the youngest dude. But yeah,

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Jim young um, who's just recently. Um, there's a letter that he

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wrote, and he wrote it to
He'll explain, but it was written to

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somebody. It got out. Our
friend Lee Schappell put it up on Facebook,

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and it's a it's a letter that
Jim Young wrote, Uh, trying

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to get some attention on Bruce Hill
getting into the quarter his quarterback from his

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days here at Arizona. Getting Bruce
Hill into the Ring of honor. Um,

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you know, you got to be
as old as me to know how

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good Bruce Hill was at Arizona.
He played, he came here in seventy

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three, played three seasons with Arizona, seventy three, seventy four, seventy

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five. Um, those teams were
all really good. And uh, you

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know, I think I don't know
if I said this on the air yesterday,

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Steve, if we're talking about it, but you know, Bruce Hill,

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you know, when you really think
he's he's a quarterback that's kind of

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forgotten. But when you really think, yeah, probably one of the top

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three quarterbacks ever in Arizona. Yeah, we should kind of raise my eyebrows

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because well, I don't know really
the history of it, but there's been

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some pretty good quarterball. Name your
top two quarterbacks, the guys I've seen.

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Come on, you will find him, right, Nick Vols, right,

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because he was a Super Bowl winner
and he was really good. And

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I couldn't tell you number two.
Really in my time good quarterbacks, come

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on, I've been here thirty years, so that's well, Arizona hasn't had

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no great quarterback. Good quarterback.
You know, Keith Smith and Ortie Jenkins

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were good as a pair. Danny
White won a bunch of games. Uh.

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You know with the Desert Swarm teams, there were some kids that under

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rich Rod that had a lot of
good numbers. I knew Solomon had as

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good a year, as good as
single year as anybody, but no injuries

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and stuff, and so his career
didn't didn't wind up well. So really,

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I mean, Bruce Hill, you
know, did it for three years?

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Those teams went I think eight three
eight three, and what really so?

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And what type of offense? It
was really weird too, And Jim

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you talk about this. They ran
a beer which was an option offense,

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so two you know, two half
backs basically in the backfield, so there

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was an option offense. But then
they also threw the ball all over the

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field and he had his maybe maybe
the best arm of any quarterback. It

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was really Ever what happened to him? He never went pro I don't think.

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I don't think he did because of
the style of play that probably yeah,

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well could play, yeah, but
that was it. You know,

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a time I was in you know, those are my high school years,

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right, I was in high school
when he was here, and so I

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you know, I went, I
went to those games with my friends and

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you know, went to all those
games and they were blast and they were

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really good. I mean, Jimmy
Young came in here in his first year

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and went went eight and three,
a team that they had fired its coach

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the year before him, wasn't it, you know, And they weren't any

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good. I think you were five
and six the year before. So and

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then he went he went eight eight
three, nine two nine two, then

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five and six, and then he
left and went to Purdue, Yeah,

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okay, And then what happened there. It was a Purdue for a few

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years, and then he coached a
bunch of years at Army Okay, and

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then he came back here as an
assistant under Dick. At one point.

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If I recall, there's an assistant
or a consult I think he was an

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assistant, Right, Yeah, he
did a lot of talk about that,

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ye coming back to kind of help
out. Yeah, but again he's trying

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to get Bruce. He's he feels
that Brucelle should be in the Ring of

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Honors. So we'll talk ask him
that about that first and why he thinks

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that. But I think I'll bring
back memories for a lot of people,

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but like, well maybe not a
lot, because I don't know how many

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of us are there left. But
um, you know a lot of people

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who were here in the in the
seventies and saw those teams, you know,

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t Bell, Willie Hamilton, Jim
up Church, those a bunch of

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those guys aren't even here anymore.
So but Bruce, I think he was.

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He came back to the last UM
alumni reunion. I think he was

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here. So i'd like, you
know, maybe get him on the show

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at some point. Okay, Yeah, And then we just told Greg would

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like to talk about that, and
you know, just stuff his impressions of

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PAC twelve Media Day, that kind
of stuff. So a lot of a

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lot of that still being kicked around
all over the place. Big ten Media

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Dambili starts tomorrow, so there's more
Northwestern stuff today, so you know,

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more stuff coming out. Cool.
Okay, where'd you find him? He

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was looking Tahiti or the mountains.
I didn't even ask a golf course somewhere

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in him. Yeah, I I
didn't even ask. I just you know,

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threw it out there, said if
you're if you're available, we would

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love to have you on. And
you won't be the oldest guy in the

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show. So he replied pretty much
right away. Yeah, I mean,

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so he'll be he'll be one of
the young guys. Okay, cool,

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cool, cool. Anybody want to
call please do five two o four one,

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six seventy four forty. Uh.
Some people liked our interview yesterday with

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the Crepia. I thought it was
very good, very informative. Uh about

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what happened with with the boss of
the Press Calff. Yeah, right now,

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what didn't happen with him? Kind
of? I mean, like I

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you know, when I plus I
said, it went nearly viral because I

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mean everybody was talking about Yeah,
I mean all the national media was talking

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about choice piece of the conversation right
of what happened at that exchange with with

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Crepia. Yeah, and I did. I don't think it was favorable no

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people saying that, you know,
in fact, we've just continuing to show

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that it doesn't have that together,
which which is which is crazy because it's

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it should be one of the best
conferences in the country, and it's probably

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the fifth right this and then this
year, And let me tell you something,

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Jay, if they can't prove themselves
this year with the people they have

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one, right, then they're gonna
be in trouble right well and again,

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but you know, you run that, you're they're running the risk that that

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you know this, these leagues,
this league just beat each other up over

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the course of the year, and
every team's gonna have two losses, right

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right, Yeah, Well it's because
it's done that in the past. Because

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one thing, you know, Yeah, you've got four great teams, and

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other other conferences have three or four
great teams. But the bad teams this

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year aren't bad, right right.
Washington State can beat you, Oregon State

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can beat you, Ucla can beat
you. And you can even argue that

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Arizona can beat you. And and
so the teams that are generally bad are

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better. Uh, you know,
I've I've long thought this, Steve,

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I've I've thought for a long time. You know, what are the differences

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between why I thought the PAC twelve
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It was not about the top teams. It was about the bottom teams.

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There are you know there until recently
when Arizona went winning the eleven Cardo

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and eleven, the worst team in
the league was never as bad as the

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worst team in other leagues. Right, you could lose to any team in

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the league on any day. They've
had a lot of that. Yeah,

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well, this is gonna be the
year where the if the if the top

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teams don't get prepared or they're gonna
get kind of like basketball. I mean

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last year Arizona played basketball, right, and then Washington State comes into town

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and gives the year they beat them
here, which that never happens, and

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it happened, right, Um,
you know, I'm sorry to say that.

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So you know, no, there're
they're the PAC twelve is in that

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position where you know, they're good
teams could lose to the middle of the

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road teams. They're not unbeatable,
they're not Georgia and they're not Alabama.

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But there's also no Vanderbilts and no
you know Runners in the Pac twelve.

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Yeah, so we'll see what happens. Are good that we're gonna get to

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talk to coach Young. He's in
town, right, he's a he's a

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local guy. Now, yeah,
yeah, he's here. He's here,

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he's in town. And funny how
these guys all come back, right,

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Smith came back and there's a lot
of people in town. Dick Tomy spent

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a lot of time here, don't
they understand? It's one hundred and ten

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year I know. But when and
when you think about that, you think,

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okay, so how bad is it
where you where you come from?

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Why you want to be here?
You know, the Dallas you know,

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you know, talking about my trip
to Dallas or somebody exchanged uh messages with

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on Facebook on Facebook, I just
said, damn it was hot in Dallas.

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We guy couldn't wait to get back
to our heat. It's so different.

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Yeah, you know, no,
it is so different anyway, son,

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but yeah, you know, um, yeah, we'll talk to Jim

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Young and uh get talk a little
bit about Bruce Hillton and about those teams

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that he had had here at Arizona. Okay, look forward to that.

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Look forward to that a lot actually, uh and then Grigg in the second

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hour, so what's going on and
what else is we were here about five

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more days before foot Paul starts.
Yeah. News of the day, Ronnie

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James, right, boh yeah yeah
yeah yeah. Um, cardiac arrest you

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know, during the workout and uh
had to be revived and went to the

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hospital. Was an intensive care and
he was already out of intensive care,

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which you're saying is a good sign. But you know, in a time

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like this, it doesn't you know, it doesn't matter. But his you

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know, basketball careers in jeopardy.
Sure, sure, it's it's um,

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how can I say this? Uh? Uh? Lebron wanted to stick around

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for a while, so maybe if
you mention play with him. It's funny

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and not funny, just weird.
How all your plans, all your plans

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could end just like that, like
that, just like that. You know,

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people pass away just like that too, where you have all these plans

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and then what happened? Everything changes
And then for this happened to USC for

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a second time. They had a
player that that happened to last year,

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right he had he ended up coming
back to play, right, so you

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know what happened. What was Shaquille's
son's issue? Was he just his was

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a hard issue. Well that's what
I thought. That's what I thought.

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He had a hard issue that he
you know, it never it never uh

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you know, never I would say, recovered from it. He just wasn't

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able to go continue playing basketball.
He did, he did, he did,

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I know, he just wasn't as
good. Yeah, but I mean,

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you know, what will kind of
impact that shirt overall? You know?

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And and you know, again we
still don't know Bronie James is going

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to be an NBA player noting.
I mean, I guess the chances we're

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pretty good with having lebron as yours, your dad and uh, you know,

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the pulling strings and whatnot. But
um, you know, right now,

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the big concern is what's his life
going to be like, you know,

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what's the rest of eighteen years old? Yeah, but it's it's it's

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weird too that that, uh,
it doesn't get checked because you're eighteen years

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old, right because you're you're in
the peak of your career, your peak

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of your health or with all that, you don't start going to cardial just

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to check your heart until you're are
No. And I just went, yeah,

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yeah, I did that a few
months ago. You got it,

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got a nice you know, a
nice bill of health on that but clean

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bill of health. But you know, you're eighteen years old, you've been

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active all your life. Uh,
you know, but you know, I

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guess probably, I don't know.
I guess I shouldn't speculate because I'm not

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a doctor or any kind of a
scientist. You know, if there's a

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there's a cardiologist out there listening to
us, i'd loved it. Have somebody

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call in and you know, let
us ask a couple of questions, because

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one question I have is, you
know, some of these kids who start

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playing really competitive athletics at such a
young age, six, seven, eight

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years old, you know, are
you wearing your body out by getting started

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so early? Right? Yeah,
I think, Well, I'm not a

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doctor either, scentist. I like
the question. Um, but but it's

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like it's like a car you drive. It's you're not a you're not you're

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not a car. You're not two
hundred and fourteen thousand miles into it.

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But the you know, but but
you know, when you get a brand

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new car, they say, don't
be going eighty miles an hour. And

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you know, for given, given
a month or so before you start doing

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that you know, our kids are
our kids using their bodies or or attacking

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their bodies at at a young age, that some of them, not all

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of them, because you know,
there's so many athletes who don't have any

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problems like this. Maybe it wears
out, you know, they say that

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about kids who play the same sport, you know, forever and never start

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playing start playing baseball or tennis,
whatever, that the things that you use

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in those sports can wear out your
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you're eighteen years old, you've pitched
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end, you know, in your
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is true. Scott ericson right,
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his butt off for a long time
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well, he's never gonna do well
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arm. He did pretty well.
That's why he did pretty well. It

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just depends on the body. Well, and right there, I think that's

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it, right. It depends on
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that, but you know, why
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Mustang breakdown at fifty thousand miles when
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you know, jeans all that stuff, That's what I'm saying it.

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use your body. But you know, you look at you look at Lebron

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the guys, he's still going hard
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eight, thirty eight years old,
and he's still playing high as high a

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level of basketball as anybody well,
and then his eighteen year old kid has

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this heart issue. How many kids
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So so I'm sure number two and
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just yeah, yeah, chances of
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if that makes any sense. Yeah, I mean it could have been something

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on his wife's side that you know, Yeah, has a good point,

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GRONI Yeah, I just never known. Like you said, we're not doctors.

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Yeah, but uh, if there's
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to get a call from you.
Uh, after after the after Jim Young

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comes on as a guest or in
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hour, just to guess a little
background of you know this, these kinds

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of heart issues that will kind of
seem to see them more and more and

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more and more in athletes, especially
in athletes, and in athletes that you

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think their bodies are should be able
to handle these these kinds of things,

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yet they're there's just one little thing
wrong that can can can cost them their

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lives. Yeah, be interesting to
have a conversation about that, all right,

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Jim Young coming right up after the
break, we'll talk about some long

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Hey, welcome back to Win on
the Back here on Fox Sports fourteen

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fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera. He's
Jakin's ass. Now on the phone,

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we have Jim Young, former U
of A football coach, longtime college football

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coach coach. How are you doing. I'm doing just fine. Yes,

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happy to have a chance to talk
with you all. We're very excited to

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talk to you. We know how
important is the program is and how they

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loved you here back in the day
and still love you. Jim, can

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you play? I don't know.
Go ahead, we did, Jim.

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I I can say I was one
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I was in high school at the
time, So I'm an old guy,

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and which I guess makes you an
old guy. But can you make believe

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it's been fifty years since you got
here? Does it seem like that at

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all? Uh No, I can't
imagine that really it's been fifty years ago.

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But unfortunately that's true. So,
um, I saw the letter that

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you had read that you wrote it
ex explained to me how that came about

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because you told me yesterday. It
wasn't intended to kind of get out there

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and cause an uproar or anything like
that, but you just feel that Bruce

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Hill should be in the in the
Ring of Honor at the A and you

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you wrote this letter. Yeah,
yes, I really didn't, you know,

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pay much attention to the Ring of
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I got thinking when some of the
players contact me about having the reunion here

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this fall, that that would be
a good time to bring up maybe Bruce

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should be in there. And then
as I started pursuing it a little bit

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more and I friend of ours,
we go out to dinner with Carl Porter,

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used to be a sportswriter here,
and I wrote up about Bruce and

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gave it to him, not intending
because I give him a lot of the

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things I write up. And I
guess he then contacted somebody that had been

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on the staff here and over in
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all sort of proceeded, and I
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it on the air, and I
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But then I just decided, after
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saw who's in there and so forth. I couldn't understand why Bruce wasn't in

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there, and that's what got me
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that will happen? I sure,
I certainly hope. So I think he's

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certainly deserved that. I don't know
if you've seen the thing I wrote up,

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but he has the best one lost
record of any quarterback that's been around

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here, and he was in our
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certainly in fifty years, so it
was entirely different concepts then. But to

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be a drop back passer pro passer
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and reading the option, those are
very difficult things to put together when I

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wanted to. When I first came
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can't do those two systems, and
I wanted to do them, and we

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did them, and we did them
because Bruce was capable of doing that,

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and that's why I think we were
able to win a fair share of games.

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Well, you know, when you
when you think about it, that

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you know, this was all fifty
years ago and he's still having this kind

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of impression on you. What was
it about him that's made him kind of

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stick in your mind as somebody that
you'd want to, you know, have

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this kind of conversation about Okay,
when I first came here and I was

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interviewing the players, and they told
me that a freshman quarterback was transferring,

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he dropped out of the program,
and I or to talk to him,

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and that was Bruce. And Bruce
came in and we sort of hit it

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off, and I said, you'll
have an opportunity in the spring, and

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he decided to stay. And he
had a great spring game with throwing a

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lot of passes and running a lot
of options, and so he just became

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our quarterback because well he was number
one for one thing, if you remember,

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they were all one, two and
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and he started for us then for
three years. What made him so special

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athletically or on the field, Uh, well, he was a talented the

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athlete. He he had good speed, he was a leader, he was

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a very competitive individual. We played
a different kind of football back then.

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If we ran a sweep, he
pitched the ball out and then led as

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one of the blockers. So he
was a tough quarterback. He had some

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excellent players with him. One stretch
in nineteen I guess it was seventy five.

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He went five and a half games
without having a turnover, and in

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the last game against a su when
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great catch in the end zone,
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the game. If he hadn't thrown
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time been the all time college leader
in fewest interceptions in the season. So

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he did a lot of things.
So you know too, and I think

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he's kind of even over the years
because uh, you know, so much

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happened, you know, when Larry
Smith got here, and I know Tony

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Mace was in between you guys,
but you know Larry and then Dick too.

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He's sort of almost like one of
the great forgotten quarterbacks. So there

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haven't been a lot of great quarterbacks
in the Arizona history, but he's kind

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of because it was sort of back
away, they were in the whack and

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all that kind of thing. You
feel like maybe he hasn't gotten a due

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because of that. Well, yeah, I think you you hit something right

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there the whack and there when the
Arizona But if it hadn't in my opinion,

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if it hadn't been for Bruce.
Uh, it might never have been

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in the pack at ten because Arizona
when I came here and when Bruce became

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the quarterback, had lost nine straight
times to Arizona State, and then we

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lost the first year and then he
won the next year. But to go

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into the pack ten at that time
they wanted both Arizona Arizona State, and

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Arizona was not quite up to it. And you know, and so I

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think that the fact that we won, and we won with him a quarterback

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certainly help. And I know another
thing it did was put the stadium edition

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going up right because we we drew
the fans right. That happened well while

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you were here. So so you
know, when you got here back in

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that time again, they were coming
off some tough times, the previous coach

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that had been fired. What did
you see in the program that you thought,

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you know, I can make this
work. Well? I of course,

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I was an assistant at Michigan when
I came out here, and the

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most impressive thing for me when I
got here was the speed that we had.

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We had so much more speed,
not necessarily in Bruce Hill, although

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he had good speed, but in
up Church and have a and Darryl Davis

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was another guy. We had just
great speed compared to what they had in

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the Big Ten at that time.
And that means sound strange, but that

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nevertheless was the way it was.
And uh, we were lucky. We

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had a good returning number of players
and in Dawson and and just and t

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Bell a lot of a lot of
excellent talent. And I think we gave

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him a brought him together and made
him a unit as a team that maybe

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they hadn't been in the past,
and and got off to a good start.

410
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.559
And from then and on we won. And you want a lot um

411
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.279
it's what do you talk about speed? Because not being from here, I

412
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.039
got here in the late eighties,
Arizona and the West is not is not

413
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.279
known for being big, it's known
for being fast. That's what I was

414
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.880
saying. Yeah, I was surprised. I remember this a long time ago,

415
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:12.519
but when I came from Michigan to
Arizona, we had about six players

416
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.680
that were faster than anybody that we
had at Michigan. I'm talking about running

417
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:25.519
backs and receivers and so forth.
And yeah, you're you're right. Yeah,

418
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.920
So I don't know where that's still
true anymore, So I do think

419
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.319
so I think it. I think
the Pact twelve or the West Coast teams

420
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:36.160
were still seen that way, even
though even though the Mountain West easton that

421
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.160
that speed and all that kind of
thing. So you get here seventy three,

422
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.960
you guys go eight and three?
Did you see that coming? Uh?

423
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.160
I know I've ready coach, every
coach thinks are gonna win. But

424
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.279
you come out, you win.
I'm looking at the schedule. Now you

425
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.759
win five in a row, loss
of Texas Tech won three more. And

426
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:52.720
you know, I mean, did
you see an eight in three season coming

427
00:29:52.720 --> 00:30:02.160
when you got here? But you
know, h I want to say,

428
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:06.160
yes, I believed that. I
don't know where it would be eight and

429
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:11.279
three, but I certainly didn't think
I was good. We were going to

430
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:18.000
lose. Yeah, And once I
saw the talent that was here, the

431
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:29.160
speed, and I think we put
in a discipline program that the players adjusted

432
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:36.359
to. And I just might uh
mentioned because the players are always talking about

433
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:41.880
it. The first meeting we had
in a meeting room over there in McHale

434
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:48.559
and it was start at four o'clock. And at four o'clock I locked the

435
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:55.319
door and about five or six guys
hadn't come in yet, and I think

436
00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:04.559
that's set a tone that enabled us
to proceed to become a real team.

437
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.680
So I want to I want to
throw this back because this is one of

438
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.119
the games that I've always remembered.
Uh uh, you know, of all

439
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.119
the games that you know, I've
been to that Texas Tech game in seventy

440
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.400
five, I think you guys were
down like twenty eight to three or something

441
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.200
like that and came back and won
that game, you know, at the

442
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.599
very end, and that is a
game that will always stick out to me

443
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.799
as one of the great comebacks,
great wins at a time when Texas Tech

444
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.000
was considered, you know, a
really tough opponent for Arizona, and you

445
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:37.000
guys came back and win that game. Do you remember much of that game?

446
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:45.359
Well, only that at the last
three seconds, I think we went

447
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:51.559
ahead, yep, and uh yeah, it was uh you know, I

448
00:31:52.000 --> 00:32:00.039
have a picture, a huge picture
of celebrating. I was at twenty eight

449
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.519
to twenty seven or something like that. You guys kicked a field goal and

450
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.839
why I remember the guys kicked a
field goal to go ahead and then got

451
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.160
a safety on the kickoff, and
that's yeah, yeah, you're right,

452
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.960
You're right. I didn't remember.
The game that sticks out in my mind

453
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:30.119
so much was seventy five when Arizona
stayed beat us with John Jefferson's great catch

454
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:37.519
in the end zone, uh laying
out and uh if we I think if

455
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:44.640
we had had instant replay at that
time, Uh might the ball might have

456
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:50.240
bounced a little bit in his grasp
as he hit the ground, But nevertheless,

457
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.920
we didn't have it. Then one
time I saw him when uh this

458
00:32:55.079 --> 00:33:00.759
was fifteen years later, and we
were talking, and but he said he

459
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.519
caught the ball. I think everybody
sought the Castle Grants thinks it was a

460
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.160
drop, and everybody North thinks he
caught it. So that's yeah, that's

461
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:16.839
what I say. And and actually, being an old time guy, I

462
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:23.480
wouldn't want to replay might give us
a victory because I hate those replays that

463
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.400
they do all the time. And
then he always they're always talking about speeding

464
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.680
up the game, and you can't
speed up the game as long as you're

465
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:37.839
going to have those replays. Do
you know what Bruce Hill is up to

466
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:43.960
now? Have you spoke to him? Yes, I saw him last year.

467
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:50.200
He's in la U. I honestly, he was a teacher. I

468
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:54.279
don't know whether whether he's doing that
now or not, but he lives.

469
00:33:54.440 --> 00:34:01.279
He's been in LA all that time. It's when I left here and went

470
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:09.159
to Purdue and Bruce had been gone
graduated the year before, and he was

471
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:16.400
at that time teaching in school in
LA and I wanted him to offered him

472
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:22.920
a job to come Purdue and he
won this. He thought he could be

473
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.519
a pro player, and he said, I want to stay in work to

474
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:32.960
become a pro. So that was
really the last time that we were together.

475
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.280
Right, Well, why why do
you think he was not a pro.

476
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:45.400
He was not passing wise, he
didn't have a great accuracy. He

477
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:52.199
had a strong arm, his accuracy
was not predicted great. In our system

478
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:58.360
was more run than passed. We
were a drop passing, but we also

479
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.400
we ran a lot of triple option. We're split back what they used to

480
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:10.239
call the Houston beer and uh so, you know he was a quality athlete,

481
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:17.079
but not necessarily just an accurate passer. Okay, great, Jem,

482
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.960
It's been a pleasure talking to you
about this. This was fun. Threw

483
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.280
me back to my high school days, riding the riding the city bus,

484
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.920
to go to the go to the
football game. Just you know, I

485
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.119
rushed the field when you guys beat
as you tend to nothing because I was

486
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:35.159
one of those people who finally you
guys, you guys want beat a su

487
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.400
So that was great, yes,
yes, uh, and that was a

488
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:45.119
great feeling for me. And Willie
Hamilton scored right at the end of the

489
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.760
game or it had been three to
nothing, yes exactly, but that was

490
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.800
a great uh victory. Maybe down
the road we can have you on talk

491
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.719
to you more about today's world of
football. The craziness started going through now

492
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.119
Okay, okay, be happy to
do that sometime. Thanks again, be

493
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.159
well and we'll talk again. Appreciate
it. Thanks, thanks for the call.

494
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.440
Yeah, what a nice gentleman.
You know. To me, he's

495
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.599
one of those guys because I don't
know him. I've seen him through the

496
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.519
always back in the day, like
you're you're intimidated a little because he's this

497
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.039
guy. Well again, that's another
one of those interviews that we done.

498
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.920
I can't remember the last time who
who it was, but just just kind

499
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.480
of tingly feeling talking to him because
again, you know, seventy three the

500
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:29.679
whole time he was here, I
was in high school. Well Herman Harris,

501
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.079
remember the herman with his guys degree, and he broke down and he

502
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.000
started. So you know that time
of my life as a sports fan,

503
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.480
I get it. I get it, um and and you know, and

504
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:44.519
he's you know, the east section, the upper deck and the east side

505
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.519
got built because of them, because
he was here. You know, they

506
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:52.159
got into the pack Pac ten because
of what they had done those three years.

507
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.400
So that was great. A lot
of winning, a lot of winning.

508
00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:00.960
Maybe he could make it contagious.
That was fun. Was all right,

509
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.000
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510
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.760
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here with us. We have about two

556
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.280
minutes. Yep, if you don't
call, please do what you can come

557
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.960
about our Jim Young interview. That
that was fun. It was very cool.

558
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.199
Again. You get to be like
a little boy. I do.

559
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:42.679
I do. I get a look
giddy with guys like that because you know

560
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:47.559
they come from a time when you
know, my first US not experience is

561
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.440
just kind of my upbringing. It
sports took place, you know, and

562
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.760
I know that's fifty freaking years ago, so long ago, but I thought

563
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.559
that was very cool to be able
to talk to him, and he,

564
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:01.239
I mean remembers all the things like
we remember it. I mean, he's

565
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.000
got some years on me, but
you know, it was it was a

566
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.960
big deal. And you know,
Arizona football is a big deal back to

567
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.880
me way back then, and uh, you know obviously continues to be.

568
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.360
So let anybody want to call five
two, four, one, six,

569
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.920
seventy four, forty would appreciate you
calling. Let us know what's going on.

570
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.159
Yep. Um, so many things
happening day. I don't know how

571
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.039
many, how much of this stuff
you're gonna have in your breaking news,

572
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.840
But we already talked about Bronnie James
and and all of that, and that's

573
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:34.239
just, you know, highly unfortunate. But um, I don't let me

574
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.880
throw this one out there, because
you know, we talked about Jayon Delora

575
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.159
going, you know, going to
Pack twelve media Day, you know,

576
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:44.639
taking the questions, you know,
answering you know what he could answer.

577
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.119
The three Northwestern football players who are
going to be going to Big ten Media

578
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:55.920
Day have said we're not calling and
they're they're not taking any players. Um,

579
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.280
you know, they don't want to
have to answer the questions, and

580
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:06.559
so just interesting contrasts and how you
know, And I guess you can't make

581
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.519
these guys go, right, I
guess you can. You can say if

582
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:12.280
you don't go, you're kicked off
the team or something, but they weren't

583
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.559
going to do that. But interesting
that they would rather not answer the questions

584
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.960
than you know what Arizona did to
have their guy go ahead and deal with

585
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.679
it, because they're gonna get asked, you know, whether you whether they

586
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:27.199
like it or not, whether they
go to Big twelve or Big Ten Media

587
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.480
Day or not, they're gonna get
asked those questions at some point, don't

588
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:36.400
you think. Yep. So here's
their statement. After talking with our parents,

589
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.119
our teammates, and coach Abraun,
we have made the decision to not

590
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.159
attend Big Ten Media Day. This
was very difficult since we were excited about

591
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.559
the opportunity to participating in this great
Big Ten tradition and to talk about the

592
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.960
game we love and the season ahead. But given the recent events involving the

593
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.800
Northwestern football program, we did not
want our participation to be dominated by the

594
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.440
hazing issue and steal the focus away
from football in the upcoming season. We

595
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.800
are proud members of the Endia football
program and want our on a performance and

596
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.639
not feel conduct to always reflect the
values of the university and our fans.

597
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.559
Go Cats. It's Bryce Gallagher,
Rod Herd and Bryce Kurts. And my

598
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:14.000
first reaction to that was, Okay, are you hazers or are you you

599
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.159
know? You? Are you?
You know? You know what I'm saying.

600
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.639
I don't have to talk about Yeah, I know what you're saying.

601
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.400
I think it's a good move.
I think it's a good move, um,

602
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.599
because it's gonna dominate the whole conversation. But if I were them,

603
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.039
but I don't know how. The
look is not good, right, it's

604
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:31.760
a bad it's a bad look.
Um, I don't know. It's a

605
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.159
mess. I don't know. You
know, it's it's funny. Are you

606
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.960
a kid? Are you a kid? Yeah? What sense? Um?

607
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:40.960
What do you mean? Are you? Are you a kid? You're a

608
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.400
young man? Are you an adult? I'm a young man. Yeah.

609
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.800
So so these kids are young adults. They know what they're in for,

610
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.079
so they should know. They should
know. Um, they're not kids.

611
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.079
I can not kids. Um,
they're not kids, and they you know,

612
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.440
But I ask because you're a student. I think you know, when

613
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.159
you're a college athlete like this,
you girl faster than the guys who aren't.

614
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:09.119
Right, Yeah, for sure.
But you know again, look the

615
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.320
way it sounds is that this thing
that's been going on in northern Arizona,

616
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.199
it involves everybody. You know,
You're not gonna be able to tell me

617
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.920
that every player on the team hasn't
had an experience with it one way or

618
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.400
another, don't you think? Yeah, of course. I mean, if

619
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.719
it's happening on the team, everyone
you know you've been hazed, you're a

620
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.960
hazer, or you've seen the hazy
Yeah of course. And you know all

621
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.800
the above has happened, right,
All the above has happened. Um,

622
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:43.400
it's a tough situation. But but
the coaches, like I say, this

623
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.000
is not this is not a one
off. You know, you know deep

624
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:51.400
down this happens a lot of places. Sure, and and now you know

625
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.320
that other places are saying we better
stop this crap right right now or else.

626
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:58.320
I mean, I'll be surprised if
we don't get you know, a

627
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.480
run of lossuits from a bunch of
others. Yeah, maybe I don't know

628
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.679
how many, or maybe you know, somebody says your ghost the administration.

629
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.440
But you know this happened to me. I'm going to see the school if

630
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.920
you don't do something right now about
this, whether I mean give me a

631
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:16.880
bunch of money or and or stop
what's going on? Yeah, right right,

632
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:21.599
we'll see what happens. I don't
you understand what whether or not doing

633
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.159
it. I know you're just kind
of giving me an example, but uh

634
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:29.960
uh, not going it's probably smart
because that's the topic of conversation. Uh

635
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.599
well, it needs to be explained. How much more can you explain it

636
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.719
that it's already been written and said, because now it's up to the attorneys,

637
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.320
Yeah, to figure this out,
and that's that needs doing for What

638
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:45.519
are they suing for? They want
damages for what they went through? Oh,

639
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.239
personal injury would be personal injury.
You know, they want to an

640
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.039
emotion of distress, you know,
sexually abused, YadA, YadA, YadA.

641
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.960
Yeah, well we saw at your
Mexico State. The guys got millions,

642
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.039
four millions. When they're going and
they're going after the university. You

643
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.440
know the university has got money too. You know they have to put into

644
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.039
this, and they're gonna have to
put into this. The question is how

645
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.039
much are they gonna have to put
into this? And what does this do

646
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:16.840
to the university? You almost wonder
if if this was so the so widespread,

647
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.840
if you maybe I don't know,
maybe it's just too dress. Do

648
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:27.039
you think you don't play a football
season? You're cleaning this up? Yeah?

649
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.119
You know. I mean the New
Mexico State and their football seasons,

650
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:35.840
basketball season for for a lot of
different reasons, but yeah, because of

651
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.400
the shootings and then this showed up, and no questions that I saw you're

652
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.719
gonna have a football season with this
hanging over you, You're not gonna have

653
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.760
a very good one. Uh.
We've seen disasters from these things where they'll

654
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.239
win no games. And the things
about it, too, is that they

655
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:53.800
were already bad, They were already
mad. What the hell are you doing?

656
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.679
This doesn't improve your team? Now? A bunch of a bunch of

657
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.519
guys who are aren't any good getting
this done. And I'm sorry, but

658
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.199
to me, it tells me that
the atmosphere around the program is so bad.

659
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:08.920
That's why they got so bad.
Yeah, because they were good for

660
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:13.119
a while during this part of the
culture. But then at some point people

661
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.199
got sick of this and said,
I don't I'm not giving my offer a

662
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.519
team that does this to me.
Jay, we talked about this all the

663
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.480
time, and and um, Jason, are you going to a job that

664
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.000
you absolutely hate? How much do
you enjoy going to work to work with

665
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.719
a bunch of jerks that you're working
with you don't, don't ye? And

666
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.559
in practice, God, I gotta
go to practice and possibly be abused.

667
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.880
How God, I hope I don't
cuss. I'm almost ready to cut whoever.

668
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.599
You know enough, Yeah, at
least for jobs you get paid,

669
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.199
right, A lot of these guys
aren't probably making a bunch of I own

670
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.599
money, you know, no endorsements
and whatnot. So they're just you know,

671
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.880
going to practice every day in this
bad environment kind of dealing with sure.

672
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.239
So yeah, no, I I
agree. I mean, you know,

673
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.840
again, if we've talked a million
times, Steve, that you know,

674
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.599
in order for you for a program
to be good and be good a

675
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:06.719
long period of time, people gotta
love being there, right, without questions,

676
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:08.559
the locker room has to be great, you know. To win championships,

677
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.360
you have to have a great locker
room horrible. Locker rooms don't win

678
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:17.239
championship, don't. The Golden State
Warriors this last year talked about how the

679
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:25.199
issues with Jordan Pool and ray and
Draymond Green, you know, and before

680
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.840
that locker room was fantastic because well, winning kind of that. But but

681
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.519
you still have the same people,
yeah, kind of the same people.

682
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:36.440
Said. Now, if you don't
like each other, forget it, right,

683
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:38.480
it's like marriage, all things being
equal, it's hard enough to win

684
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.760
championships, you know, when everything's
great, you know, everything can be

685
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.000
great, and it's hard to win
championships. But when it's bad in the

686
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.920
locker room and guys don't like each
other and don't want to play for each

687
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:55.760
other, it's it's almost impossible.
I mean that's the way I see it.

688
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.519
Yeah, it's it's it's gonna take
years for this to get better,

689
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.400
to get fixed, right, because
you just don't wait for one and say,

690
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.760
Okay, this is not a Colorado
state Colorado. It's where you can't

691
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.519
even replace people. No, this
is a culture of a school issue.

692
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.599
School issue, because that's become an
issue. It's in the it's in the

693
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.800
other sports. Yeah, it's a
thing that's gone into the other school.

694
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.760
That's I'm sure the football. It
wasn't the chicken egg and the football,

695
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.480
So so other people saw it in
the football, so I thought it is

696
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:27.199
okay. I still say you have
it in other schools because it's it's uh,

697
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.880
it's accepted in society where you have
the bullys and you don't have the

698
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.960
buoys, and people bully you for
a reason because I think they can have

699
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:39.039
some power. Yeah. No,
yes, you're you see that marketplaces or

700
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.840
jobs where you know the boss is
the boss and I am the boss.

701
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.119
You can listen to me no matter
what I say, and the guy says,

702
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:45.800
well, I need the job,
so I have to put up with

703
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:51.880
this crap. Yeah you've been there, I've been there, I have,

704
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:52.920
we all have. Yeah, you
know I saw I mean I saw it

705
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.800
in high school. I saw it
exactly. You know everywhere it starts,

706
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.960
every it starts and until it stops, which it never will. You just

707
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.480
gonna deal with what you have to
deal with. Oh, you just kind

708
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.599
of say enough for ready, You
just say enough? And that's how do

709
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.440
you? How do boys get beat? You stand up to them, kill

710
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:15.000
you beat the crap out of them. You beat them if you don't at

711
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.119
least you make a dance. You
can make a dance. And they say,

712
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.679
well, now I know this guy's
gonna have fight with me all the

713
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.599
time. I mean, I was
gonna say, don't give him attention,

714
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:24.360
you know, just kind of distance
yourself from them. And yeah, but

715
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:28.400
you can't. You can't go the
other hallway the rest of the four years

716
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.239
of high school. You don't saying
you can't avoid them. If he's searching

717
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:35.239
for you, that's that's true.
Yeah, you have to say enough either

718
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.960
I'm gonna get my ass kicked today, but I'm gonna stand up for what

719
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.400
I believe in. Yeah, and
maybe you get your ass kicked again.

720
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.679
But but you have to you know, it's easy to say I was sitting

721
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.360
in a chair over the way,
but you know what I'm saying, you

722
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:52.800
have to do something, and and
north Western didn't do anything. Yeah,

723
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:57.440
which makes no sense, especially in
the boss when you're making millions. Yeah,

724
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.559
yeah, no, yeah, And
that's that's the thing. Um uh.

725
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.440
You know Pat Fitzgerald, you know, the millions of millions of obvious

726
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.079
just yet he thought it was okay
to you know, let all this go

727
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:14.639
on. So, man, I
don't know, this is a long again.

728
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:19.360
This this is a long way,
a long way from getting fixed in

729
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.679
Northwestern and they're gonna, I mean, this program is gonna be a mess

730
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.800
because of this for a long time. You don't, you don't just roll

731
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:30.159
in and clean it all up in
one in one or two years. Is

732
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.559
something that's gonna take a long time
to get past. How much of the

733
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:37.119
coaching staff did they turn over only
the head coach? And the thing is

734
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:42.880
that they're they're starting to be new
lawsuits naming other coaches as having been part

735
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.679
of it. Right, There's there's
more to come on all that. So

736
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:47.599
now Jay, okay, so now
you have the the oh god, we

737
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:51.239
have to go. Okay, we'll
talk about the slitter. Okay, all

738
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.239
right, let's hit out of here. Take a break. Uh, Jason

739
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.840
will be back with the breaking news, and there's lots of it. We'll right back