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this proxy war the Ukraine. But then

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your host, Carry Lutz. Well,

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a lot going on in the world, to put it mildly, to put

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it charitably, but let's try to
get a perspective on what exactly is going

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on? Is this the end of
Western civilization as we know it? Our

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good friend Doug Casey is with us
from the International Man. Doug, it's

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always great to have you on the
show. So what's going on here?

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Are we're going to survive this,
or we're just useless eaters that they want

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to get rid of so they can
implement their a grand plan. Well,

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you know, George Carlin was always
my favorite comedian and mine too. I

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don't think we have to worry.
The Earth is going to survive and it's

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just going to shake off these problems
like a like a dog after it has

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a bath. But I always like
to look at the I always like to

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look at the bright side. If
we take a gloomier view, it's entirely

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possible we could be moving towards World
War three. And that is really really

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a scary prospect. I mean,
it could destroy civilization as we know it,

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and the fault would lie about one
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with Washington DC. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you these policies

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that we've followed post World War two. I mean, even look, you

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could go back to the Civil War. We all know that. But just

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in the so called modern era from
World War One on, basically everything that's

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gone on, the gone wrong in
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DC's fault, don't you think.
I do think that actually, and it's

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it's really a pity because America used
to stand for something. America used to

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be an exceptional country. And it
was exceptional because it was the only country

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in the world's history that was actually
founding on the principles of individual freedom.

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And well, the values that were
put across in the constitution, freedom of

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speech, freedom of thought, free
markets, that's all that's all being washed

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away at this point. Yeah,
well, it looks like basically every institution.

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And it's not just the United States
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global phenomena. You look what's happening
in China with everything there, and you

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know, just I watched these videos
of stuff falling apart in China, the

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so called Tofu drag projects, where
they're just like cutting corners, even though

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they know that the highway is going
to collapse and thousands of people will be

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killed, they just cut corners.
I mean it's corruption. I mean,

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America certainly doesn't have a monopoly on
corruption and does it. No, it

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doesn't. And China is interesting because
I lived in Hong Kong. For goodness,

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how long did I lived there?
For? About fifteen years on and

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off. And when I first went
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landed in Beijing airport. It was
just somewhat bigger than the little airport in

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Aspen, Colorado. When we took
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was on a two lane road and
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fields next to it. Yeah.
I mean, the progress that China has

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made is unbelievable. It's incredible.
That's on the bright side. But at

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the same time, since a lot
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not all of it has been state
directed, They've made some huge miss allocations

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of capital, stupid miss allocations a
capital for political reasons. So I'm not

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terribly optimistic about China over the next
ten years, certainly, but I'm not

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optimistic about any place in the world
for the next ten years. Is an

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island decade? Is there an island
we can all escape to the land of,

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you know, fantasy island paradise where
we get away from all the foibles

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and the insanity of government. I
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world right now, Doug, Well, you know, talking about islands,

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one guy that you might want to
have on your show is a Jelika who

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founded Liberland. Have you explored that
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but I heard some mention of it. Yeah, it's an island in the

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Danube River between Croatia and Serbia.
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work, neither Croatia nor Serbia claims
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the stake a flag there about goodness
how long ago? Ten years ago,

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and he's trying to get it recognized
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there, and uh so, who
knows anything can happen from that point of

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view. But what other islands might
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to and stake out Well, certainly
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that's going to become the fifty first
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years if they don't watch out.
Uh. Eighties an issue that another one

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of the United States screw ups going
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most of Latin America, much of
it in Central America, and everything

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that's going wrong there now is directly
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place, many many invasions, you
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and the inability of the US to
lake ever really look for a meaningful

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solution. They're always looking for the
next strong man who would just basically let

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us pick our fruit trees, you
know, banana republics. Yeah. Yeah,

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the people in Washington just can't leave
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that's ever going to change. And
the reason I say that is because you've

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got two kinds of people in the
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and move atoms around and make things
and manipulate physical reality, and people that

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like to move people around and manipulate
people. And those are the kind that

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always go to Washington because you can
get control of the of the instrument of

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the state where they can force people
to do that. So it's gotten worse.

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I mean it really has, Washington, and I used to live there

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for goodness twenty years. I'm sorry
to hear that. Yeah, it's it

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really is a cesspool that draws that
kind of person the way Las Vegas draws

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gamblers and the way Hollywood draws want
to be stars, Washington draws just not

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the best in the brightest, but
the scum of the earth. Sociopath It's

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a magnet. It's a sociopathic magnet
because hey, you're a sociopath. What's

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better than getting to screw with people's
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want to do, or, better
yet, get them to do things that

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you want them to do that they
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Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's
a dream, Yeah, it really is.

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And you know, I'm trying to
think, what's the biggest danger that

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we confront now? And I think
the clearest immediate danger is probably this phony

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war, this proxy war the Ukraine. But then after that, it's the

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potential collapse of the financial markets followed
by a collapse of the economy, followed

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by social upheaval here in the US, and this could go on all over

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the world. It's a worrisome thought. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you

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know, the Founding fathers, particularly
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breakdown and chaos. And I guess
back then the perception was that the social

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order, you know, was quite
fragile, and that that government needed to

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like reinforce the social order, largely
by staying out of things that didn't know

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what it was doing and didn't know
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think the perception now, mistakenly among
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the social order, civilization is firmly
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to our rapidly declining urban centers to
see that that they're going rogue. They're

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going native in these places like Chicago, Baltimore, and you know, you

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know the list as well as I
do. It's it's shocking that like things

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like shoplifting has been normalized and and
you know, the criminals, the truly

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the inmates are running the asylum.
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you mentioned that at internationalman dot com
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And the thing is is that ever
since the dawn of history, cities

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have been the central of civilization.
It's where you can have comfort and safety

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and trade. U cities make civilization
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are collapsing, they really are.
They're not centers of production of new wealth

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anymore. But there are cesspools where
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aren't don't seem to be capable of
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and voting. So the nature of
cities has has changed, and it's it's

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very disturbing for the prospects of civilization
itself. I sometimes wonder if we couldn't

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have a new dark age with you
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as complicated as they are. You
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others break, and then others break, and it's hard to put these things

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back together again because a lot of
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frankly, at this point, I
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Well, then I know how to
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all day and manipulate digits, which
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computers or love hate them anyway,
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It could get scary. I think
I was thinking about this. Like,

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you know, we grew up.
We learned how to change a tire,

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alright. Cars were a lot less
complicated. You could kind of screw around

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with a carburetor with the uh,
you know, if the car wouldn't start,

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you could actually maybe get it to
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You can figure it out looking if
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You can't do that anymore. I
can't do it. Well. I

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have an ev but that's neither here
nor there. The fact is you know,

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the modern vehicle, it's basically a
brick when it stops working, you

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know. And and then the number
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to work is declining because that's a
dirty job, and nobody wants to do

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these dirty jobs. I mean,
you know, I was like taking something

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apart in my house to get my
air conditioner to work, and because I

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just didn't feel like calling somebody,
so I messed around with some wires.

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Air Conditioners are still pretty simple,
at least the ones I have, and

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I actually got it working. But
you know, the number of things that

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you can actually fix in your house
nowadays is a very finite number of things.

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You know, you could maybe screw
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if their WiFi lightbulbs, you know, you could spend an hour trying to

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get them to work on the network. But outside of that, there's really

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not much you're capable of of producing
or fixing in your own home. Yeah,

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you're right, and if something breaks, uh, generally you don't even

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try to fix it. You're supposed
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the matter is is that most of
those replacement parts come from China, not

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here in the us. Yeah,
it's it's it's becoming an untenable form of

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existence here on so many levels.
And then yet you know, we got

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you do have your elon musks of
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him, Hey, the guy owns
space now basically he dominates space. And

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you know, the things like the
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world now regardless of infrastructure and wires. You know, so we are moving

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ahead on certain fronts here as well, but complexity and the ability of the

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human mind to keep up with it, to manage it. I think we're

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like in a losing battle. Doug. Yeah, we'll just have to see

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what happens. My solution to the
problems of the world is more freedom and

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a free market. You talked about
useless miles earlier. Most of those useless

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miles work work for the state.
They're very well paid over their president there,

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they're fellow citizens. And it seems
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the percentage would be ninety percent at
least of the US government certainly, and

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local governments that are no better could
be abolished. The argument that I make

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is that since government is forced,
since the government is coercion, that's the

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nature of it. It's not we
the people getting together, it's we should

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really have nothing but a police force
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you from foreign threats, and a
court system to adjudicate disputes without resorting to

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force. And the rest of the
rest of the government I think is redundant

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and useless and counterproductive and extremely costly
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all of our biggest expenses are taxes
defeed the beast. Yeah, to feed

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the beast that refuses to be tamed. And yeah, like I saw a

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funny meme it said, without government, who would water the roads because like

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in Florida here they're watering the medians, but they can't seem to aim the

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sprinklers properly and the streak gets watered. You know, So without government,

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look at, hey, we're wasting hundreds

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of thousands of dollars a year watering
asphalt, you'd figure out a way to

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fix it. But there's no incentive
for the government to stop watering the streets.

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Yeah, no, there's not.
And it's true everywhere. Frankly,

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it's you know, before the Soviet
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that it just collapsed peaceably. It's
that, you know, Russians used to

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ask, well, if we didn't
have our government, who would make our

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would make our shoes? Like playing
got you would make our cars? Haven't

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haven't thought of that? And that's
pretty much the way the Americans think when

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it comes to the various things that
governments do today. So this is not

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I think Russia gets a very bad
rap because that country has totally reformed since

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the collapse of so At Union.
There are more Communists in American universities and

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there probably aren't all of Russia today. Uh, the average Russian has kind

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of learned his lesson at this point. Well, the old people, you

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know, well whatever you grew up
if you like. But the young people

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are not that way at all.
And people don't realize that. The uh,

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the top tax rate in Russia is
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of people. I've I've been to
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at least half a dozen times,
and I've been all over the place,

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starting when it was the Soviet Union
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and it's it's a very uh,
it's interesting, still a dysfunctional country.

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Once you get on rout in Moscow
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Moscow, it's still pretty backward,
pretty pretty primitive. Yea, not a

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lot of comforts. But you know, friends I have that live there now

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on Westerners tell me that from day
to day it's pleasant, it's free,

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nobody bothers you. So this is
not in the average American has been convinced

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that it's still more door still the
Soviet Union. It's not. Yeah,

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this is very true. You know, it is different. But he Putin's

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not my favorite dictator. But but
I guess if the trains run on time,

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then people are happy and and they
move on. So a energy,

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we have this insane energy policy emanating
from the capitals of the world. It

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looks like it's aimed at shutting down
sustainable energy to me, sustainable energies,

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hydrocarbons. It's been sustaining a modern
civilization for over a hundred years and we're

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trading it for which I think.
I don't I'm not against wind and solar

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and all that, but they just
don't seem ready for prime time in a

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lot of cases, and we're crowding
out the energy system that works for the

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energy system of the future that very
well might not work. I mean,

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isn't that the definition of insanity?
We can't have modern life without without energy,

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it just can exist. No,
you're you're absolutely right. I mean,

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I too have nothing against wind and
solar. They're fine for special applications

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and special places, but as mass
power for an industrial civilization, it's actually

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crazy to try to do that,
and to spend hundreds of billions. It's

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going to be trillions of dollars to
build these things which lose money, which

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is to say, destroy capital,
and the more you do it, the

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less reliable the grid becomes. It's
actually crazy. So once again, this

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is the kind of people to get
into the state that do these do these,

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do these crazy things that the answer
from a technological point of view is

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nuclear power, which is by far
the safest, the cleanest, and the

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cheapest form of mass power generation.
And the hysteria that we've had against nuclear

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power for many years, I guess
it's started with the hippies evolved into the

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greenies. We shouldn't be there are
about fifty new technologies for small self contained

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variable nuclear plants. Uh, safe, cheap. There could be hundreds of

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them, thousands of them around the
US that could actually fulfill the promise of

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nuclear power. It will be almost
too cheap to monitor. Yeah, but

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that's what they told us in the
sixties. Nuclear power is going to be

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so cheap that you won't have to
you know, you won't have meters.

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It's going to be so cheap.
But they managed to screw that one up,

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didn't they Well they did. It
should be that cheap, and it

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would be that cheap if it had
if nuclear power had not been regulated and

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to the level that it is that
it is today. What are you doing

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dry having an electric car? What
kind do you have? It's not like

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I got a Tesla. It's it's
a lot of fun, you know.

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It's basically a supercar for under a
hundred grand. So yes, they're lightning

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fast. I mean they're they're they're
quite and they handle like slot cars because

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it is very low to the ground
and the tech you know, like I

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put that thing on FSD. It
just drove me home, you know,

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fifteen minutes before this interview. Basically
I had to intercede once because it wanted

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to go in the wrong lane.
And just the oh, the brilliance of

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it. You know, it's really
incredible. I'm all, I'm all all

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for it. I like, uh, I've been a car guy in my

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whole life. I'm all all for
is electric vehicles. But you're taking you're

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taking some risks. If the grid
goes that Tessa will turn into a brick.

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Yeah, yeah, I have a
generator, but you know that it

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is super super expensive. So yeah, I mean the you know there's a

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risk, but but it's been a
lot of fun. I have to say,

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the most fun car I ever had
in so many ways, like the

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greatest car ever made, as long
as you don't have issues, right,

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Yes, yeah, no, I
mean a lot of advantages, not many

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moving parts, and it's quiet and
no, they really are they really are

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nice. It's just I understand.
I can't confirm this, but there's legislation

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to prohibit Americans from buying small generators. Have you heard that or is that?

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Yeah, well they got to kill
all the fun. Yeah, they're

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contemplating it. You know the amount
of pollution that a generator puts out,

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especially if it runs on propein is
nil. Natural gas is of all the

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hydrocarbons, by far the safest,
cleanest burning, most efficient, energy efficient.

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But you know, leave it to
these sociopaths to get on the bandwagon,

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right, Yeah, it is.
And incidentally, right now natural gas

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is in real terms, at about
the lowest level in history. Contracts are

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trading it around two dollars and fifty
cents for a thousand MCS and very very

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cheap relative to everything, including US
past. So I've been buying natural gas

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producers and some of them, especially
in Canada and Alberta, are yielding those

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to ten percent dividends, and I
think those dividends will only go up with

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natural gas prices in the future.
So that's kind of an interesting area and

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otherwise overpriced stock market I think.
Yeah, a lot of that, a

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lot of that. All right,
Well, hey, Doug, really appreciate

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you coming on get sharing your insights
on today's malaise with us, and the

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best place to find you is Internationalman
dot com and also on YouTube. I

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guess that's where we are right now, isn't it. Yes, we will

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be shortly. Yeah, okay,
So I'm also on Doug Casey's take on

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on YouTube, and I'd always like
to plug my three novels. I've written

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a lot of books, but I
like to mention the novels Speculator, Drug

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Lord and Assassin, which is another
story. And they're all good reads,

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so absolutely I've read a couple of
them. All right, Thanks so much,

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Doug. Hey, you've got a
question for Doug myself, shoot me

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an email k l at kryltz dot
com and the link to doug site and

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his YouTube channel is on the show
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